From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 1 13:52:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140558 for opro ; Fri, 01 Dec 100 13:52:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975663548:20:20923:14; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:39:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114932; 1 Dec 2000 9:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16811 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:34:30 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16808 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:34:26 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 141mZ1-000HCo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:33:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:27:59 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Re.:Buffer Overflow: a font problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 01 Dec, David Graddol wrote: > Sometimes it seems that the more you pay for a font, the less you > are permitted to do with it. Usually the cheaper fonts are pirated clones of the expensive fonts. Take an expensive font, throw it in an application that will make it 1 mm thicker, then make it 1 mm thinner, no vector point will be at the same spot but the shape will be the same. Kerning list changed with random 1% shifts, nobody will notice it. Rename it, let someone else make a PD conversion list. That's the way all those cheap CDs appeared on the US market and abroad. And of course they will not restrict the license as much as the big foundries do, their fort is the price not the BSA. Must be 2/3 years ago I saw a message of an independent American Type 1 font designer in a font newsgroup who complained about EFF having nicked a design some months after its launch. I don't like that practice, on the other hand the big foundries ask prices and use a license system that is more based on what was the market in the eighties and before than it is now.The owners of licenses where printers and image setting shops in the old days. Fonts are more widely used, by professionals and consumers. Was the design bound to the lead type or the filmstrip and the resulting characters only an ink representation of it, now the design is in the medium itself. Bitstream is one of the few foundries that knows things have changed. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric Soon, early next year 1-1-1, the address will change to e.dinkla@chello.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 1 21:49:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140604 for opro ; Fri, 01 Dec 100 21:49:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975698344:10:05088:15; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:19:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108576; 1 Dec 2000 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18113 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:00:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18110 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:00:40 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 141vP0-00086K-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:59:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:18:43 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow Message-ID: <2b0ebe254a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <140289@pilling.demon.co.uk> <97d313254a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <004501c05ab0$216dc5c0$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <004501c05ab0$216dc5c0$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <004501c05ab0$216dc5c0$4d01a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: [snip] > This has nothing to do with the rename. This is the way ProArt24 lets > you choose your fonts. [snip] > When the whole tree has more than 4 weights, ProArt24 objects with the > error: Style: Bold.Condensed.No/style;R2 > > This isn't the same as 'buffer overflow' from the fontmanager. [snip] Not disagreeing with anything in your post but just to comment that I haven't got as far as trying to select a font. The 'buffer overflow' error message occurs on running ProArt24, when GylesSans is present in !Fonts in its original form (or as per your modification). -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 4 17:39:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140711 for opro ; Mon, 04 Dec 100 17:38:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975922832:20:09244:14; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:40:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102752; 4 Dec 2000 9:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24932 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:30:46 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24929 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:30:44 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust226.tnt11.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.116.226] with SMTP for id KAA16825 (8.8.8/1.3); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:29:23 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003601c05dd4$3629c190$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <140289@pilling.demon.co.uk> <97d313254a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <004501c05ab0$216dc5c0$4d01a8c0@padua> <2b0ebe254 Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:25:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 30 Nov, Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <004501c05ab0$216dc5c0$4d01a8c0@padua> > "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > > [snip] > > This has nothing to do with the rename. This is the way ProArt24 lets > > you choose your fonts. > [snip] > > When the whole tree has more than 4 weights, ProArt24 objects with the > > error: Style: Bold.Condensed.No/style;R2 > > > > This isn't the same as 'buffer overflow' from the fontmanager. > [snip] > > Not disagreeing with anything in your post but just to comment that I > haven't got as far as trying to select a font. The 'buffer overflow' error > message occurs on running ProArt24, when GylesSans is present in !Fonts in > its original form (or as per your modification). > What comes to my mind: 1) Are you sure you have removed the offending directories: GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Oblique GylesSans.Outline.Bold.Condensed.Oblique 2) Are you sure you have modified: GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Oblique into: GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Obliq and GylesSans.Outline.Bold.Condensed.Oblique into: GylesSans.Outline.Bold.Condensed.Obliq because the directory/weight: GylesSans.Outline.Bold.Extended.Oblique doesn't need a modification It is obvious, when you have changed by mistake an already correct weight, one of the offending weights is still present. If you have done these modifications whilst GylesSans was active, (that is already in the fontcache), fontcat and !ProArt24 try to use the 'old' information, hence: 3) you must refresh the cache by a) restarting the computer, if you load this font on start-up b) using special font control software to remove GylesSans from the cache and load it again with the modified weights. I can't think of something else, why it doesn't work in your case. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 5 02:55:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140819 for opro ; Tue, 05 Dec 100 02:55:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975976310:20:28619:22; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 00:31:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028579; 5 Dec 2000 0:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26800 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:22:29 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26797 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:22:27 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1435r4-000Gd4-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:21:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 22:53:10 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow Message-ID: References: <140289@pilling.demon.co.uk> <97d313254a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <2b0ebe254a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <003601c05dd4$3629c190$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <003601c05dd4$3629c190$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <003601c05dd4$3629c190$4d01a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: [snip] > I can't think of something else, why it doesn't work in your case. My fault, I think. I've retried and it works as you describe. I obviously slipped up in following the instructions. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From polak@nlr.nl Wed Dec 6 16:04:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140963 for opro ; Wed, 06 Dec 100 16:04:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976118620:10:06170:0; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:03:40 GMT Received: from spider.nlr.nl ([137.17.80.200]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106745; 6 Dec 2000 16:03 GMT Return-Path: Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1/NLR 29/03/2000) with SMTP id eB6G3CM925426; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:03:13 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:02:42 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Auto paragraph numbering Message-ID: <6e23b8284a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <140956@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <140956@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) Return-Receipt-To: polak@nlr.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R On 6 Dec David Pilling wrote: > > Hi > > One of the new features of Ovation Pro 2.60 is automatic paragraph > numbering. There is a sub menu which gives you a choice of what > numbers are displayed (e.g. para number or chapter + para number) > and how it is displayed (letters, numbers, roman numbers). But where and how? If you mean the submenu of e.g. "Modify Chapter", then changing something in the page numer section has no apparent effect. So I am puzzled! > The program actually supports up to 16 of these options although > so far there are only about 4 for each implemented. > > So if anyone would has a good idea for further additions... > > > David Pilling > -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 6 16:04:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140964 for opro ; Wed, 06 Dec 100 16:04:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976115612:20:01703:14; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:13:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110869; 6 Dec 2000 15:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31443 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:44:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31440 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:44:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 143fnB-000AF3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:43:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:38:36 GMT Message-Id: <140956@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Auto paragraph numbering X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi One of the new features of Ovation Pro 2.60 is automatic paragraph numbering. There is a sub menu which gives you a choice of what numbers are displayed (e.g. para number or chapter + para number) and how it is displayed (letters, numbers, roman numbers). The program actually supports up to 16 of these options although so far there are only about 4 for each implemented. So if anyone would has a good idea for further additions... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 6 17:35:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140983 for opro ; Wed, 06 Dec 100 17:35:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976122258:10:22112:14; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:04:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1114047; 6 Dec 2000 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31640 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:36:23 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31637 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:36:20 GMT Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([158.152.5.49] helo=worthy) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 143gb1-000EzE-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:35:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:07:10 +0000 From: Tim Howarth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Tablemate OLE from Impression files Message-ID: X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Just spotted a minor problem with converted Impression files, if I ctrl-double click to OLE a Tablemate file it gets loaded into Draw not Tablemate. Just tried it and the same thing happens with a sprite file inside an Imp doc. I know Impression stores these graphics as drawfiles but it must also store the original filetype. Is there any way around this ? Beyond... Extracting by save as a drwafile and settype-ing to Tblmate which does work for Tablemate files. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 6 21:24:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141006 for opro ; Wed, 06 Dec 100 21:24:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976130194:20:08654:23; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:16:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008829; 6 Dec 2000 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32280 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:13:41 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32277 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:13:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 143jzK-000A2w-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:12:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:38:34 GMT Message-Id: <140988@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tablemate OLE from Impression files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >if I ctrl-double click to OLE a Tablemate file it gets loaded into Draw not >Tablemate. Interesting. I should be able to fix that... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 6 21:24:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141007 for opro ; Wed, 06 Dec 100 21:24:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976134614:10:24700:14; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:30:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102271; 6 Dec 2000 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32607 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:16:13 GMT Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32604 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:16:11 GMT Received: from angelwords.netkonect.co.uk ([194.164.3.172]:4534 "HELO angelwords.co.paston.co.uk" whoson: "angelwords") by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:15:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:11:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Gabriel Swords Subject: Two questions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, 1. Has anyone used the latest version of HTMLpro from Levens? Does it work well? Can you do links and anchors? Any comments would be welcome. 2. Some of my graphics fail to print when printing Opro documents. I'm using an LPB8 and version 2.58 of Opro. Any ideas? Gabriel Gabriel Swords 01603 504659 -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 6 21:24:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141011 for opro ; Wed, 06 Dec 100 21:24:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976132495:20:03897:27; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:54:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003264; 6 Dec 2000 19:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32482 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:52:14 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32479 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:52:12 GMT From: Received: from localhost ([62.254.40.23]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001206195046.LEZE16684.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:50:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:31:01 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Auto paragraph numbering Message-ID: References: <140956@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <140956@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <140956@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hi > > One of the new features of Ovation Pro 2.60 is automatic paragraph > numbering. There is a sub menu which gives you a choice of what > numbers are displayed (e.g. para number or chapter + para number) > and how it is displayed (letters, numbers, roman numbers). > > The program actually supports up to 16 of these options although > so far there are only about 4 for each implemented. > > So if anyone would has a good idea for further additions... > > > David Pilling > Hi At the moment you can't, as far as I can work out, mix numeric and alphabetic sub-lists (which EWriter Pro+ can ;-) ) eg; 1.1.1 is possible, but not 1.1.a This would be a Good Thing (TM) :-) -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 7 01:38:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141039 for opro ; Thu, 07 Dec 100 01:38:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976143121:10:28191:15; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 22:52:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112152; 6 Dec 2000 22:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00564 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:40:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00561 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:40:57 GMT Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 143nDw-000KcO-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:39:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:30:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Tablemate OLE from Impression files To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OLE On Wed 06 Dec, Tim Howarth wrote: > Just spotted a minor problem with converted Impression files, if I > ctrl-double click to OLE a Tablemate file it gets loaded into Draw not > Tablemate. There is a draft copy of my article for Archive on my website at http://www.abacusline.demon.co.uk which deals with OLE. It is in three parts and includes many examples. With TableMate files loaded directly into Ovation Pro the does load the file Tablemate. The same thing happens with Eureka and TableCalc files. This is one of the examples which I use in my articles. Hence the 'problem' is likely to be caused by the Impression to Ovation Pro converter rather than within Ovation Pro. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 7 02:51:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141051 for opro ; Thu, 07 Dec 100 02:50:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976153406:10:24635:16; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 01:43:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116750; 7 Dec 2000 1:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01040 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:40:56 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01037 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:40:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 143q23-00039t-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 01:39:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:11:22 GMT Message-Id: <141028@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two questions X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >2. Some of my graphics fail to print when printing Opro documents. I'm >using an LPB8 and version 2.58 of Opro. Any ideas? Try to find a common factor among the ones which won't print. Are they all sprites? Draw files? In my experience LD won't print text over a given point size (the way I have it set up for 'half toning') David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 7 13:23:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141053 for opro ; Thu, 07 Dec 100 13:23:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976158301:10:00875:16; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 03:05:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106131; 7 Dec 2000 3:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01287 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 01:53:03 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01284 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 01:53:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 143r9t-0005o3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:51:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 01:48:07 GMT Message-Id: <141047@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Auto paragraph numbering X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >At the moment you can't, as far as I can work out, mix numeric and >alphabetic sub-lists (which EWriter Pro+ can ;-) ) eg; 1.1.1 is possible, >but not 1.1.a This would be a Good Thing (TM) :-) Yep, I like that and it is easily done. An idea I once had which ISTR seeing since in Techwriter would be to use the special sets of number characters in some fonts (Dingbats, Selwyn) which consist of a number in a circle. Would be a nice effect combined with Drop Caps (but it won't work). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 7 13:24:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141063 for opro ; Thu, 07 Dec 100 13:24:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976182233:10:14940:14; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:43:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116647; 7 Dec 2000 9:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02141 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:27:33 GMT Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02138 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:27:18 GMT Received: from angelwords.netkonect.co.uk ([194.164.3.172]:1031 "HELO angelwords.co.paston.co.uk" whoson: "angelwords") by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:26:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:26:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Gabriel Swords Subject: Re: Two questions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <141028@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 06 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >2. Some of my graphics fail to print when printing Opro documents. I'm > >using an LPB8 and version 2.58 of Opro. Any ideas? > > Try to find a common factor among the ones which won't print. > > Are they all sprites? Draw files? They are sprites saved from Photodesk 2.04... sprites from Paint seem to work okay. > > In my experience LD won't print text over a given point size (the way > I have it set up for 'half toning') Halftone is set for text and graphics... Gabriel Gabriel Swords 01603 504659 -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 7 20:07:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141100 for opro ; Thu, 07 Dec 100 20:07:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976213044:20:25325:137; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:17:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025670; 7 Dec 2000 18:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03407 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:09:50 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03404 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:09:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1445Su-000Pnb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:08:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:05:13 GMT Message-Id: <141091@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two questions X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >They are sprites saved from Photodesk 2.04... sprites from Paint seem to >work okay. So what would be interesting would be to take one of these sprites load into Paint, save out, and see if it is 'fixed' i.e. if results are any different. PD2 has been known to produce odd sprites, but in my experience the problems had gone away by 2.04. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 7 20:07:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141106 for opro ; Thu, 07 Dec 100 20:07:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976219132:20:26615:17; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 19:58:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026611; 7 Dec 2000 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03776 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:48:43 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03773 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:48:40 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user183.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.115]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08337 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:47:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: Ovation Pro Miling List Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 19:45:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Experienced OPro to 4 clr publisher required Message-ID: <4a29505e06marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Apologies if this is inappropriate for this list... I am producing artwork, using OPro 2.60. This is 4 colour including photos together with spot colour and of course black text. I have not the time to get into the finer points of producing output for: a - printer b - magazine advertisements I need someone to whom I can send my OPro document(s) so that they can, for a commercial fee, output in whatever form the end publisher/printer needs. I use MicroLaser Designs for producing film for a printer at the moment but this has only been spot colour and line graphics. Some of the end products may well need to be PostScript or TIFF format - it will depend on the job. Anyone interested? Reply urgently with general interest and we can 'e-discuss' or talk on the telephone about details. I have up-to-date version of RiscScript if that will help. Would consider paying for OPro 2.60 upgrade if necessary. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 7 22:07:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141116 for opro ; Thu, 07 Dec 100 22:07:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976220593:20:29541:22; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 20:23:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101996; 7 Dec 2000 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03959 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:20:54 GMT Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03956 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:20:47 GMT Received: from angelwords.netkonect.co.uk ([194.164.3.172]:1588 "HELO angelwords.co.paston.co.uk" whoson: "angelwords") by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:20:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:19:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Gabriel Swords Subject: Re: Two questions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <141091@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 07 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >They are sprites saved from Photodesk 2.04... sprites from Paint seem to > >work okay. > > So what would be interesting would be to take one of these sprites load into > Paint, save out, and see if it is 'fixed' i.e. if results are any different. No, the problem doesn't get fixed... but I'm beginnning to narrow this down. It seems that any image that started life as either a Draw or Artworks file, which then goes into Photodesk and gets saved as a sprite doesn't print. Sprites that started as sprites do print, whether or not they started in PD or not. Does that help? Gabriel Gabriel Swords 01603 504659 -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 8 01:56:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141128 for opro ; Fri, 08 Dec 100 01:56:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976233901:20:17516:14; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:05:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107168; 8 Dec 2000 0:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04549 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:01:00 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04546 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:00:59 GMT Received: from modem-98.marine-betta.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.39.226] helo=modem-98) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 144Aww-0002FY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:59:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:58:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Two questions Message-ID: <4a2967909erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <141091@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Gabriel Swords wrote: > It seems that any image that started life as either a Draw or > Artworks file, which then goes into Photodesk and gets saved as a sprite > doesn't print. That's probably because you saved them with masks. Untick the masks and try saving them out again as sprites and they will probably print. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 8 13:49:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141147 for opro ; Fri, 08 Dec 100 13:49:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976254550:10:09680:18; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 05:49:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108559; 8 Dec 2000 5:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05509 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 04:46:18 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA05506 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 04:46:13 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-26.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.156]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA26001 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:44:39 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:41:34 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Not enough Memory To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi! I have just finished a newsletter, consisting of 22 pages of text and graphics (3 !sprites and the rest !Drawfiles). The file is 7.73 MB in size. While the print job was loading I got an error message from OvationPro "Not enough memory". The first 15 pages printed successfully. but since then the error message is displayed every time I try to print - even one page! I seemed to recall David suggesting that if the amount of memory was increased in Choices - Print Memory that may overcome any such problem. So, being a "belt and braces" person, I increased it to a massive 5 MB. but the error is still with me. As other documents print successfully, it may be because I have so many graphic files. I've looked through the documentation to try and find out how to use the Proxy and/or Reference function for pictures bit cannot find anything. As I have to print the newsletter, so that it can be photocopied, by next Tuesday, I'm beginning to get worried. Is anyone able to help me, please. David -- All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies (John Arbuthnot (1657-1735 - Scottish physician and political pamphleteer) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 8 13:49:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141149 for opro ; Fri, 08 Dec 100 13:49:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976266346:10:11996:14; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:05:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124738; 8 Dec 2000 9:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06083 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:03:35 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06080 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:03:33 GMT Received: from kbnet.co.uk (dialup005.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.37]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10137 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:58:17 GMT Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:01:37 GMT From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Not enough Memory Message-ID: <594299294a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hi! > > I have just finished a newsletter, consisting of 22 pages of text and > graphics (3 !sprites and the rest !Drawfiles). The file is 7.73 MB in > size. While the print job was loading I got an error message from > OvationPro "Not enough memory". The first 15 pages printed successfully. > but since then the error message is displayed every time I try to print > - even one page! I have occasionally had similar problems. I don't think it is anything to do with memory, though I don't know how much memory you have. Have you tried clsing down your system and rebooting. That has usually cured the problem for me. It is probably not relevant but Impression has done this to me more often, but it then effects everyting. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 8 13:50:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141155 for opro ; Fri, 08 Dec 100 13:49:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976271993:10:01266:26; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:39:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114476; 8 Dec 2000 10:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06358 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:24:16 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06355 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:24:14 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 144Kg5-000Ejw-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:22:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:22:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: Not enough Memory To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 08 Dec, David Love wrote: > As I have to print the newsletter, so that it can be photocopied, by > next Tuesday, I'm beginning to get worried. > > Is anyone able to help me, please. It is 10am Friday morning - I'd email David Pelling directly, right away. I don't know the programme well enough - still battling on with ImpPub. I know nothing, but you could try power-on with delete held down and get to a minimum config machine and see if that clears the *jam* - or try dragging out Module area in task display... but I am ignorant! Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell Work: 020 7939 9452-Vox 020 7939 9469-Fax mailto:charles.barraball@dswark.org.uk http://www.dswark.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 8 13:50:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141159 for opro ; Fri, 08 Dec 100 13:50:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976276301:20:19492:386; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:51:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123723; 8 Dec 2000 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06633 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:46:54 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06630 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:46:47 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust217.tnt10.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.114.217] with SMTP for id MAA19364 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:45:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000f01c0610b$dfb66120$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: Not enough Memory Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:41:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 08 Dec, David Love wrote: > I have just finished a newsletter, consisting of 22 pages of text and > graphics (3 !sprites and the rest !Drawfiles). The file is 7.73 MB in > size. While the print job was loading I got an error message from > OvationPro "Not enough memory". The first 15 pages printed successfully. > but since then the error message is displayed every time I try to print > - even one page! --snip-- > As other documents print successfully, it may be because I have so many > graphic files. ONE bad graphic can have this effect, at least it had in Publisher. Suspect is one of the graphics in the pages that don't print, DrawFiles included, because they can contain also a sprite or an into Draw converted EPS with many, many objects. It may help to save the graphics to a DrawFile and try to print that to see if any of these is the culprit. If so, replacing that graphic with a correct one, can solve your problem. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 8 21:28:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141178 for opro ; Fri, 08 Dec 100 21:28:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976299994:10:19100:14; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:26:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019043; 8 Dec 2000 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07919 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:18:24 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA07916 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:18:22 GMT Received: from userev29.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.212) [62.188.17.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 144S4v-0004AV-00; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:17:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:03:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Not enough Memory Message-ID: <4a29a46a6dcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 08 Dec, David Love wrote: > Hi! > I have just finished a newsletter, consisting of 22 pages of text and > graphics (3 !sprites and the rest !Drawfiles). The file is 7.73 MB in > size. While the print job was loading I got an error message from > OvationPro "Not enough memory". The first 15 pages printed successfully. > but since then the error message is displayed every time I try to print > - even one page! > As I have to print the newsletter, so that it can be photocopied, by > next Tuesday, I'm beginning to get worried. > Is anyone able to help me, please. I had a similar problem once before I put a 64Mb RAM on board. My solution was to open the document, delete all pages bar one, print that page, close document (DON'T SAVE), open again, repeat procedure for each page. Make a back up copy of document - just in case - before you start. It is very noticeable how much extra processing time (and memory?) is needed if the document is being printed sideways. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 8 21:28:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141179 for opro ; Fri, 08 Dec 100 21:28:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976294619:20:05542:24; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:56:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005172; 8 Dec 2000 16:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07562 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:53:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07559 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:53:31 GMT Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 144Qko-000NsU-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:52:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:50:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Not enough Memory To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: <000f01c0610b$dfb66120$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > On Fri 08 Dec, David Love wrote: > > > I have just finished a newsletter, consisting of 22 pages of text and > > graphics (3 !sprites and the rest !Drawfiles). The file is 7.73 MB in > > size. While the print job was loading I got an error message from > > OvationPro "Not enough memory". The first 15 pages printed successfully. > > but since then the error message is displayed every time I try to print > > - even one page! Tonnie Demarteau added: > ONE bad graphic can have this effect, at least it had in Publisher. > Suspect is one of the graphics in the pages that don't print, DrawFiles > included, because they can contain also a sprite or an into Draw converted EPS > with many, many objects. > > It may help to save the graphics to a DrawFile and try to print that to see if > any of these is the culprit. If so, replacing that graphic with a correct one, > can solve your problem. I have had similar problems in the past using Impression when one of the graphics has been 'cropped' in order to view viewing only a small part of it within the Impression document. When this has happened I have Saved all my graphics individually (similar names for the graphics to the original names but in a 'scrap' directory). Then I have Loaded this second set of Graphics into a different package (often referenced graphics in PipeDream) and then tried printing to a file (rather than waste paper and time). In PipeDream you can print one page at a time - useful for problems of this type. This operation has allowed me to identify the 'rogue' graphic. More often than not, reloading the 'rogue' graphic into Draw or Paint, making a trivial change to the graphic, and then resaving before reloading (into PipeDream) has fixed the problem. I don't know how or why it happens. I have not yet had the 'problem' in Ovation Pro but it does sound very similar to the problem I have had now and again (about five times in about eight years) with big files (lots of 'cropped' graphics) in Impression. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 8 21:29:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141185 for opro ; Fri, 08 Dec 100 21:29:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976303524:20:00898:15; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 19:25:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000479; 8 Dec 2000 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08186 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:22:12 GMT Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08183 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:22:09 GMT Received: (qmail 3086 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 19:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.248) by murphys with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 19:20:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:14:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Not enough Memory To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 08 Dec, Gerald wrote: > > > On Fri 08 Dec, David Love wrote: > > > > > I have just finished a newsletter, consisting of 22 pages of text and > > > graphics (3 !sprites and the rest !Drawfiles). The file is 7.73 MB in > > > size. While the print job was loading I got an error message from > > > OvationPro "Not enough memory". The first 15 pages printed > > > successfully. but since then the error message is displayed every time > > > I try to print - even one page! > > Tonnie Demarteau added: > > > ONE bad graphic can have this effect, at least it had in Publisher. > > Suspect is one of the graphics in the pages that don't print, DrawFiles > > included, because they can contain also a sprite or an into Draw > > converted EPS with many, many objects. > > > > It may help to save the graphics to a DrawFile and try to print that to > > see if any of these is the culprit. If so, replacing that graphic with a > > correct one, can solve your problem. > > I have had similar problems in the past using Impression when one > of the graphics has been 'cropped' in order to view viewing only > a small part of it within the Impression document. When this has > happened I have Saved all my graphics individually (similar names > for the graphics to the original names but in a 'scrap' directory). > Then I have Loaded this second set of Graphics into a different package > (often referenced graphics in PipeDream) and then tried printing to a file > (rather than waste paper and time). In PipeDream you can print one > page at a time - useful for problems of this type. This operation > has allowed me to identify the 'rogue' graphic. More often than not, > reloading the 'rogue' graphic into Draw or Paint, making a trivial > change to the graphic, and then resaving before reloading (into > PipeDream) has fixed the problem. I don't know how or why it happens. > OPro also has the facility to print one page at a time - in the print dialogue box click on the Print Page... button. If you click OK with Adjust the box stays on screen so you can print another if that one is OK. Proxies and referenced pictures only help while working on the file, the original files are used for printing anyway so will not help David's situation. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 01:35:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141205 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 01:35:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976311520:10:26304:19; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:38:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119613; 8 Dec 2000 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08609 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:29:48 GMT Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [195.147.248.109]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08606 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:29:46 GMT Received: from p67s05a10.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.117.104] helo=RPC) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 144V46-0005sj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:28:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 19:20:19 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two questions Message-ID: <4A29D1E706%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Gabriel Swords wrote: [snip] > It seems that any image that started life as either a Draw or Artworks > file, which then goes into Photodesk and gets saved as a sprite doesn't > print. You might like to try dropping the drawfile onto InterGIF & saving as a sprite. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Say the secret woid and the duck is yours. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 01:35:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141212 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 01:35:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976320336:10:24214:15; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 00:05:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023315; 9 Dec 2000 0:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09059 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:03:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA09056 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:03:55 GMT Received: from usercq87.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.215) [62.188.156.215] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 144XTK-0004Xb-00; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:02:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:32:51 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Not enough Memory Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 8 Dec 2000 (19:14:05 +0000), ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk wrote: > Proxies and referenced pictures only help while working on the file, > the original files are used for printing anyway so will not help > David's situation. Are you sure about this? Referenced picture reduce the memory requirement for loading the file into Ovation and will surely increase the available memory in the machine? John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 02:32:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141236 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 02:31:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976325885:20:09881:18; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 01:38:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009840; 9 Dec 2000 1:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09389 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:36:45 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09386 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:36:32 GMT Received: from modem-211.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.24.211] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 144Yux-0002iU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 01:35:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:40:20 GMT From: Brian Howlett Message-ID: <5e5d6b294a.Brian@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Strange behaviour with Newhall font and other queries X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have OPro 2.60 and RO 4.02. I was preparing a document which used the Newhall.Medium font and when I loaded the document to continue to work on it, the text spread outside the frame on the right hand side. Forcing a screen redraw didn't change the situation, so I printed a copy just to see if the text would at least print within the frame, but it printed as displayed on screen. Changing the font to Trinity.Medium solved the problem, but has anyone else seen this type of behaviour? I've used this font in Impression without any problems. Of course, I've just tried to reproduce this behaviour and I can't! Another problem, with the same document, was with a line which started with a number. I was entering the first line of an address, which started with the number 14. Pressing Return to input the next line caused it to begin with the number 15. Deleting the number 15 and continuing to type moved the text up on top of the text on the previous line. I don't have auto-insert switched on in the Text->Format dialogue box, so why is this happening? This is probably a FAQ, but whenever I open a window in OPro after first loading it I get three windows opening; Page Palette, Cols and Styles. How do I prevent these from opening automatically? One last one - I use Steve Fryatt's excellent !PCKeys module which makes the Delete, Home and End keys work the same way as on a PC keyboard. It works with OPro with PC Style Delete switched off, with the exception of the Home key, which should move the cursor to the beginning of the current line, but in fact does nothing. Any suggestions gratefully received... -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------------- What's the difference betweeen ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 15:58:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141244 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 15:58:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976329944:20:20845:14; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 02:45:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020827; 9 Dec 2000 2:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09691 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 01:43:30 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09688 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 01:43:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 144Zxj-000IR0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 02:42:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 02:36:42 GMT Message-Id: <141242@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange behaviour with Newhall font and other queries X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have OPro 2.60 and RO 4.02. I was preparing a document which used the >Newhall.Medium font and when I loaded the document to continue to work >on it, the text spread outside the frame on the right hand side. There have been (and will be) various bugs that cause this. Could be an irregular frame, could be something more subtle. >started with the number 14. Pressing Return to input the next line >caused it to begin with the number 15. There's an applet which adds this feature... (maybe turn it off or remove it) >This is probably a FAQ, but whenever I open a window in OPro after first >loading it I get three windows opening; Page Palette, Cols and Styles. >How do I prevent these from opening automatically? ISTR you can change a variable inside them - do a search on the mail list archives on the CD. >One last one - I use Steve Fryatt's excellent !PCKeys module which makes >the Delete, Home and End keys work the same way as on a PC keyboard. It >works with OPro with PC Style Delete switched off, with the exception of Things get complex with keys. OP has its own keyboard handler which means any change to the standard RISC OS key codes is not likely to work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 15:58:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141249 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 15:58:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976364296:20:24189:24; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:18:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128297; 9 Dec 2000 12:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11203 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:14:20 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11200 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:14:18 GMT Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 144is9-000Ltl-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:13:02 +0000 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:06:35 +0000 (GMT) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Strange behaviour with Newhall font and other queries To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <5e5d6b294a.Brian@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 08 Dec, Brian Howlett wrote: > I have OPro 2.60 and RO 4.02. I was preparing a document which used the > Newhall.Medium font and when I loaded the document to continue to work > on it, the text spread outside the frame on the right hand side. Forcing > a screen redraw didn't change the situation, so I printed a copy just to > see if the text would at least print within the frame, but it printed as > displayed on screen. Changing the font to Trinity.Medium solved the > problem, but has anyone else seen this type of behaviour? I've used this > font in Impression without any problems. > > Of course, I've just tried to reproduce this behaviour and I can't! I have occasionally experienced similar behaviour with long and complex documents, though I cannot say which fonts were involved. Saving as DDL and reloading has always restored normality John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 15:58:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141250 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 15:58:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976366106:20:10665:15; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:48:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010502; 9 Dec 2000 12:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11393 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:46:47 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11390 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:46:45 GMT Received: from modem-113.leopard-shark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.37.241] helo=jaycee) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 144jNY-0003tb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:45:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:43:24 GMT From: JayCee To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange behaviour with Newhall font and other queries Message-ID: <7766312a4a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > On Fri 08 Dec, Brian Howlett wrote: > > I have OPro 2.60 and RO 4.02. I was preparing a document which used the > > Newhall.Medium font and when I loaded the document to continue to work > > on it, the text spread outside the frame on the right hand side. Forcing > > a screen redraw didn't change the situation, so I printed a copy just to > > see if the text would at least print within the frame, but it printed as > > displayed on screen. Changing the font to Trinity.Medium solved the > > problem, but has anyone else seen this type of behaviour? I've used this > > font in Impression without any problems. > > > > Of course, I've just tried to reproduce this behaviour and I can't! > > I have occasionally experienced similar behaviour with long and complex > documents, though I cannot say which fonts were involved. Saving as DDL and > reloading has always restored normality > > John I have also had the same problem but as you say it is hard to reproduce, I contiually manually save my docs because I get a lot of fatal errors so all I do is go back to the last saved copy and try again, and again sometimes. I also get problems when trying to embed objects in text as I lose all the text but that may or may not be related. OvPro 2.60 JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 15:59:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141256 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 15:59:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976377453:20:28773:14; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 15:57:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127180; 9 Dec 2000 15:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12064 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:56:39 GMT Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12061 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:56:37 GMT Received: (qmail 9029 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2000 15:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.38) by warrior with SMTP; 9 Dec 2000 15:54:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:10:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Not enough Memory To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 08 Dec, Mijas Software wrote: > On Fri 8 Dec 2000 (19:14:05 +0000), ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk wrote: > > > Proxies and referenced pictures only help while working on the file, > > the original files are used for printing anyway so will not help > > David's situation. > > Are you sure about this? Referenced picture reduce the memory requirement > for loading the file into Ovation and will surely increase the available > memory in the machine? > You are of course right to correct me. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 15:59:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141258 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 15:59:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976330232:10:10557:16; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 02:50:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008053; 9 Dec 2000 2:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09640 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 01:34:19 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09637 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 01:34:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 144Zoq-000Hqq-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 02:33:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 02:12:40 GMT Message-Id: <141225@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Not enough Memory X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >size. While the print job was loading I got an error message from >OvationPro "Not enough memory". Interestingly (if the above text is accurate) that error message is Ovation Pro running out of memory, not some part of RISC OS (I think). Versions prior to 2.60 sometimes require a lot more memory than they should do, for things like image processing JPEG's. Its a bug, instead of printing in strips they attempt to print all in one go. If you don't have 2.60 you can always use the demo version off my web site for printing. Another suspect is printing something in an irregular frame or a rectangular frame at an angle - because this will have to be rendered to a temporary bit map (which is why and where the print memory setting comes in). You might for fun try printing to PostScript - this has irregular clipping so the temporary memory used is much less. >The first 15 pages printed successfully. but since then the error message >is displayed every time I try to print - even one page! This points in a different direction. I'd have a look at memory allocations in the task manager. >problem. So, being a "belt and braces" person, I increased it to a >massive 5 MB. but the error is still with me. Of course you can change that setting to 20MB on a machine with only 4MB of RAM - it'll never get the memory. In general referenced images help with memory shortages, because only the image being rendered has to be in RAM. Proxies use memory but can make using references more bearable (less disc activity). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 15:59:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141269 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 15:59:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976366928:10:08433:15; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 13:02:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008318; 9 Dec 2000 13:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11480 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:01:13 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11477 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:01:10 GMT Received: from modem-60.hassium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.74.60] helo=seador.fsnet.co.uk.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 144jbW-0000Ud-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:59:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:53:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Loading Documents from Previous Versions. Message-ID: <4a2a325030chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4A29D1E706%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4A29D1E706%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R There is an Applet which enables Ovation 1.XX documents and stylesheets to be loaded directly into Ovation Pro. How difficult would it be to produce one which would allow documents produced by later versions to be loaded into earlier versions? thanks -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 17:20:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141284 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 17:20:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976379623:10:23343:14; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:33:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023324; 9 Dec 2000 16:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12288 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:31:29 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12282 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:31:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 144msj-0007be-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:29:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:19:39 GMT Message-Id: <141279@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading Documents from Previous Versions. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How difficult would it be to produce one which would allow documents >produced by later versions to be loaded into earlier versions? Strictly speaking it is impossible, because later versions have new features which earlier ones don't have. In practice what you'd do is look at how the DDL from 2.60 differs from that produced by 2.52. Those differences are fairly small and a simple text processing program could make them. (Perl fans). Then naughty people will use the Impression loader on older versions of the program... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 9 17:20:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141288 for opro ; Sat, 09 Dec 100 17:20:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976380324:20:17799:14; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:45:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116885; 9 Dec 2000 16:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12290 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:31:30 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12286 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:31:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 144mt1-0007be-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:30:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:23:10 GMT Message-Id: <141281@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange behaviour with Newhall font and other queries X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have also had the same problem Same symptom... Text overflowing is a symptom, not a cause. There are a lot of causes, some are even intentional, like when you load a document with a missing font and don't ask it to be reflowed. Most times it will be a bug, but not necessarily the same bug. >reproduce, I contiually manually save my docs because I get a lot of >fatal errors so all I do is go back to the last saved copy and try >again >and again sometimes. I also get problems when trying to embed >objects in text as I lose all the text but that may or may not be >related. This is probably the "embedded object is too big for what its embedded in and hence causes overflow" scenario. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 11 16:54:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141299 for opro ; Mon, 11 Dec 100 16:54:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976390801:20:04064:13; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 19:40:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003866; 9 Dec 2000 19:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13117 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:36:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13114 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:36:34 GMT Received: from userfa36.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.206) [62.188.19.206] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 144pm7-0002gl-00; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:35:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:12:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading Documents from Previous Versions. Message-ID: <4a2a4f7cd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <141279@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <141279@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <141279@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Then naughty people will use the Impression loader on older versions > of the program... I suspect that those with the ability either have v2.60, or appreciate the time and effort expended. I have more than one Risc PC, Ovation Pro however is only installed on one. I suppose as a single *user* I could only use it on *one at once*, but the second install seems a little dishonest so I haven't done it even for the convenience (the other machine is at my mothers house) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 11 16:54:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141307 for opro ; Mon, 11 Dec 100 16:54:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976390170:10:18952:17; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 19:29:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109240; 9 Dec 2000 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12967 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:08:07 GMT Received: from bender.bawue.de (bender.bawue.de [193.197.13.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12964 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:08:04 GMT Received: by bender.bawue.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id 43445833; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:06:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 19:08:21 +0000 From: Steffen Huber To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Message-ID: References: <138427@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: LCS, LambdaComm System, WN-Hohenacker User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10a (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <138427@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > writes > > > > On the subject of CD's. Thanks to Steffen Hubers (author of CD Burn) > > recent input, I'll be shipping NT compatible ones in future. > > > > So thats a little mystery that has now gone away. > > > Out of interest, what was the problem? Do you want the whole horribly story? Really? Some key sentences extracted from that story: "Always use the latest version", "Never rely on standards, especially those documented by Microsoft", "Always test on *every* platform", "Do not assume that things work fine if they work for *you*". So long, Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System - Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen@huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ .... Ich mache die Regeln nicht, ich breche sie nur. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 11 16:54:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141314 for opro ; Mon, 11 Dec 100 16:54:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976441515:20:14902:14; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:45:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104275; 10 Dec 2000 9:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15395 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:42:08 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15392 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:42:04 GMT Received: from tc-1-1-040.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.8.40] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 1452yM-0002xN-00 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:40:47 +0900 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:44:16 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Mailmerge: I forgot (again!) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <37d5460b4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Oh sugger: I'm doing Christmas cards and I have two per sheet. I have the [merge n] in the correct place. I have the list of names, etc in CSV form. I can't remember how to get the _next_ name on the second card on each sheet. Embarrassing 'cos I've asked this before. Last year. (And the year before). If some poor soul would take pity, I _promise_ to write it down in th manual this time. Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com StrongArm and Risc OS 4 - UK technology. Continuing to think differently! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 11 16:55:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141322 for opro ; Mon, 11 Dec 100 16:55:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976449989:20:14863:14; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:06:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108436; 10 Dec 2000 12:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15820 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:05:32 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.cwcom.net [195.44.0.150]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15817 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:05:29 GMT Received: from default ([195.44.203.153]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:05:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c062a1$25c81460$99cb2cc3@default> From: "Noel Thompson" To: References: <141047@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Auto paragraph numbering Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:01:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: 07 December, 2000 1:48 AM Subject: Re: Auto paragraph numbering Whilst we are on this subject, one useful feature of MS Word which I value when I have to use it is the Para Indent button. It is especially useful with para. numbering, enabling very easily successive indents with hierarchical numeration systems, such as the widely used 'x, x.y, x.y.z ..........convention'. And it is just as easily reversible. Is there anything comparable with OP? I have partially achieved the same by setting up a style to create an indent, but it is still not as easy or flexible to use. Noel Thompson. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 11 16:55:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141346 for opro ; Mon, 11 Dec 100 16:55:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976489076:20:27978:14; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:57:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120003; 10 Dec 2000 22:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17587 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:42:33 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17584 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:42:31 GMT Received: from 10006851 (man-a040.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.40]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id WAA05344 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:41:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a040.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.40] claimed to be 10006851 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 23:07:23 GMT From: Ken Paton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Auto paragraph numbering Message-ID: <03876a2a4a.KenPaton@kenpaton.zetnet.co.uk> References: <141047@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <141047@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <141047@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >At the moment you can't, as far as I can work out, mix numeric and > >alphabetic sub-lists (which EWriter Pro+ can ;-) ) eg; 1.1.1 is possible, > >but not 1.1.a This would be a Good Thing (TM) :-) > > Yep, I like that and it is easily done. > > An idea I once had which ISTR seeing since in Techwriter would be to use the > special sets of number characters in some fonts (Dingbats, Selwyn) which > consist of a number in a circle. Would be a nice effect combined with Drop > Caps (but it won't work). > > > > David Pilling > This sound like something that I was trying to do. I was trying to get an effect where the main level was a number and the sub levels were letters, but had to go with all numbers. The ability to mix numbers and letters would be useful. -- Ken Paton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 11 19:06:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141567 for opro ; Mon, 11 Dec 100 19:06:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976557591:20:29758:29; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:59:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028515; 11 Dec 2000 17:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21463 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:43:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21460 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:43:41 GMT Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 145Wy0-000HQY-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:42:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:36:24 GMT From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading Documents from Previous Versions. Message-ID: <94e5532b4a.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com> References: <141279@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a2a4f7cd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2a4f7cd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In missive <4a2a4f7cd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling expounded: > In article <141279@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > Then naughty people will use the Impression loader on older versions > > of the program... > > I suspect that those with the ability either have v2.60, or appreciate the > time and effort expended. > I have more than one Risc PC, Ovation Pro however is only installed on one. > > I suppose as a single *user* I could only use it on *one at once*, but the > second install seems a little dishonest so I haven't done it even for the > convenience (the other machine is at my mothers house) I think that RISC OS software producers should address this problem especially as the portable RiscStation is due. There certainly seems to be an assumption with Windows software that one can install for one's own use on a portable as well as on a desktop without paying any extra. OK I know that on Windows machines software licensing is largely ignored by home users but I have seen licenses where portable installation, and indeed installation to a users second or third home machine was perfectly in order - or could be had for a very small extra license fee (eg 10 ukp). Most people don't want to deliberately flout licensing restrictions but they are unlikely to buy two (or more) full copies of software *for their own use*. So could we have reasonable single user/second machine licensing schemes please? I guess it would generate more income than expecting people to buy full second copies or site licenses. -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andymcmullon@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 11 19:13:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141585 for opro ; Mon, 11 Dec 100 19:13:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976561845:10:21828:27; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:10:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124954; 11 Dec 2000 19:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21949 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:08:41 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21945 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:08:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 145YIE-000KT2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:07:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:59:16 GMT Message-Id: <141506@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Auto paragraph numbering X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Whilst we are on this subject, one useful feature of MS Word which I value >when I have to use it is the Para Indent button. It is especially useful >with para. numbering, enabling very easily successive indents with >hierarchical numeration systems, such as the widely used 'x, x.y, x.y.z >..........convention'. And it is just as easily reversible. Is there >anything comparable with OP? I have partially achieved the same by setting >up a style to create an indent, but it is still not as easy or flexible to >use. You would have to set the first tab position for each level style to the appropriate value. There isn't a way of saying "tab level N by N tabs" which I think is what you want. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 11 19:13:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141586 for opro ; Mon, 11 Dec 100 19:13:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976561872:10:22948:15; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:11:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125484; 11 Dec 2000 19:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21948 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:08:39 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21941 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:08:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 145YID-000KT2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:07:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:54:40 GMT Message-Id: <141504@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mailmerge: I forgot (again!) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm doing Christmas cards and I have two per sheet. >I can't remember how to get the _next_ name on the second card on each >sheet. Embarrassing 'cos I've asked this before. Last year. (And the >year before). See the 'Advanced mail merge' document on the resources section of the web site or the appropriate chapter of the manual on CD. >Open the Fields window. Click on New, enter a number of 99, and a name of >next. For the body of the field enter {nextrecord()} David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 11 21:20:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141592 for opro ; Mon, 11 Dec 100 21:20:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976563004:20:12520:14; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:30:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012507; 11 Dec 2000 19:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22067 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:16:17 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22064 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:16:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 145YPb-000Lwe-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:14:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:08:29 GMT Message-Id: <141581@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading Documents from Previous Versions. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I suppose as a single *user* I could only use it on *one at once*, but the >second install seems a little dishonest so I haven't done it even for the >convenience (the other machine is at my mothers house) If anyone has asked I have a tolerant policy on such matters. I've no desire to charge for a site licence in a domestic environment. i.e. one person or family with several machines. One person using 2 machines in different places is OK too. I would draw the line at you using your copy in your home and someone else using the copy in your mothers house. I wonder how much MS would want for a site licence covering the family of man save a lot of trouble... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 12 02:09:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141634 for opro ; Tue, 12 Dec 100 02:09:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976572022:10:05041:20; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:00:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113630; 11 Dec 2000 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22885 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:57:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA22882 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:57:42 GMT Received: from userak17.uk.uudial.com (62.188.133.245) [62.188.133.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 145avK-0003Zy-00; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:55:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:00:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading Documents from Previous Versions. Message-ID: <4a2b668c81steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <94e5532b4a.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com> References: <141279@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a2a4f7cd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <94e5532b4a.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <94e5532b4a.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com>, Andy McMullon wrote: > There certainly seems to be an assumption with Windows software that > one can install for one's own use on a portable as well as on a > desktop without paying any extra. OK I know that on Windows machines > software licensing is largely ignored by home users but I have seen > licenses where portable installation, and indeed installation to a > users second or third home machine was perfectly in order - or could > be had for a very small extra license fee (eg 10 ukp). Microsoft licences are the most changeable in this respect, I've seen Office licence agreements that allow, and others that specifically *disallow* second installs on portables used by the same single user. Currently allowed, but has varied in the past, is the issue of buying a licence for the current release and installing a previous release. (To understand why you'd do that you need to consider the corporate setup that requires most, if not all, users to be using the same version) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 12 02:09:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141638 for opro ; Tue, 12 Dec 100 02:09:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976572801:10:23158:28; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:13:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107163; 11 Dec 2000 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22880 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:57:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA22877 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:57:08 GMT Received: from userak17.uk.uudial.com (62.188.133.245) [62.188.133.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 145avH-0003Zy-00; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:55:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:54:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading Documents from Previous Versions. Message-ID: <4a2b6602f2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <141581@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <141581@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <141581@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > If anyone has asked I have a tolerant policy on such matters. I've no > desire to charge for a site licence in a domestic environment. > i.e. one person or family with several machines. > One person using 2 machines in different places is OK too. In which case *if* the distance down the village ever bothers me that much I may use that option. For the present I will leave things be. > I would draw the line at you using your copy in your home and someone > else using the copy in your mothers house. > I wonder how much MS would want for a site licence covering the family of > man save a lot of trouble... Faust had problems with that payment. :-| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 12 13:26:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141652 for opro ; Tue, 12 Dec 100 13:26:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976600558:20:29804:14; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:55:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029087; 12 Dec 2000 5:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24117 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:18:02 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24114 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:17:39 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-28.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.158]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA07554 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:16:04 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:07:49 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Not enough Memory To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I would like to thank all those who responded to my request for help when printing a newsletter and running into a !Not enough Memory" error message. It was as Tonnie Demarteau suggested - a bad graphic and once that was deleted and a substitute put in its place, the print job was successful. I reiterated what has been said many times in the various newsgroups and list of the RISC OS world, it's good to belong. Thanks to all of you. David BTW I did meet the deadline :-) -- All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies (John Arbuthnot (1657-1735 - Scottish physician and political pamphleteer) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 12 13:27:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141661 for opro ; Tue, 12 Dec 100 13:26:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976624699:20:27186:25; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:38:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026104; 12 Dec 2000 12:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25238 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:30:39 GMT Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25235 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:30:30 GMT Received: from tc-2-1-247.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.10.247] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 145oY9-0008Fj-00 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:28:54 +0900 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:00:03 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Mailmerge: I forgot (again!) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <141504@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 11 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >I'm doing Christmas cards and I have two per sheet. > >I can't remember how to get the _next_ name on the second card on each > >sheet. Embarrassing 'cos I've asked this before. Last year. (And the > >year before). > > > See the 'Advanced mail merge' document on the resources section of the web site > or the appropriate chapter of the manual on CD. > > > >Open the Fields window. Click on New, enter a number of 99, and a name of > >next. For the body of the field enter {nextrecord()} > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > Again, many thanks David. I've writ it large in the book. (I've also noted the addition in the index). I promise not to ask again. Ian, humbly grateful. Merry Christmas > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com StrongArm and Risc OS 4 - UK technology. Continuing to think differently! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 12 21:14:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141705 for opro ; Tue, 12 Dec 100 21:14:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976645708:10:14688:13; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:28:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102687; 12 Dec 2000 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26248 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:22:11 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26245 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:22:07 GMT Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 145u2g-000AmT-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:20:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:11:35 GMT From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading Documents from Previous Versions. Message-ID: References: <141581@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a2b6602f2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2b6602f2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In missive <4a2b6602f2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling expounded: > In article <141581@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > If anyone has asked I have a tolerant policy on such matters. I've no > > desire to charge for a site licence in a domestic environment. > > i.e. one person or family with several machines. > > > One person using 2 machines in different places is OK too. > > In which case *if* the distance down the village ever bothers me that much > I may use that option. For the present I will leave things be. Of course you could use one copy from a removable drive on as many machines as you cared to visit..... -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andymcmullon@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 12 21:14:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141712 for opro ; Tue, 12 Dec 100 21:14:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976652044:10:29214:13; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:14:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115336; 12 Dec 2000 20:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26635 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:10:46 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26632 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:10:43 GMT Received: from kbnet.co.uk (dialup029.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.61]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA23543 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:06:20 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:06:49 GMT From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Not enough Memory Message-ID: <0b81e52b4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > I would like to thank all those who responded to my request for help > when printing a newsletter and running into a !Not enough Memory" error > message. > > It was as Tonnie Demarteau suggested - a bad graphic from the TaskForce CD> and once that was deleted and a substitute put in > its place, the print job was successful. > I might add that different printimg systems can react differently when printing graphics. I have found Turbo Drivers to give up the ghost completely, yet the Acorn driver to the same printer cope without any problems (but sometimes vice versa). Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 13 01:24:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141732 for opro ; Wed, 13 Dec 100 01:24:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976664835:20:23268:13; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:47:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023238; 12 Dec 2000 23:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27211 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:30:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27207 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:30:43 GMT Received: from useret33.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.18) [62.188.17.18] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 145yrL-0007RI-00; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:29:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John R Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:27:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multirow? Message-ID: <4a2bf7d8cacharlton@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a15242796bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> References: <137060@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a15242796bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) X-No-Archive: yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4a15242796bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk>, Bob Ansell wrote: > Thanks for that. I did try this but it did not quite work for me. > The button activates and open its window before beeping and > allowing me to move it. I did not recognise this until I went back > and tried it. I too found that Bob - common with one of the Spell Check buttons... if I remember correctly, however if you select Ctrl first and hold it down and then do the same with the Select Button you will find that the icon button _will_ reappear around the perimeter of the unwanted menu box and _provided you keep the two buttons down_ you can place the button to drop release it where you want it to reside. My bug seems to be getting the redefined button bar to be remembered the next time I switch on. How do you/I do that?:-| I think I'm going word blind reading the instructions.... Thanks in anticipation, -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 13 13:46:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141755 for opro ; Wed, 13 Dec 100 13:46:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976677107:20:08839:14; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:11:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008763; 13 Dec 2000 3:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27926 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:07:21 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27923 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:07:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1462F1-0007od-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:06:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 01:44:36 GMT Message-Id: <141745@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multirow? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I too found that Bob - common with one of the Spell Check buttons... >if I remember correctly, however if you select Ctrl first and hold it This is now fixed - i.e. in the next version (which isn't released yet). >My bug seems to be getting the redefined button bar to be remembered >the next time I switch on. >How do you/I do that?:-| Macros... Save. The only catch being that sometimes people stick another file in !OvnPro.AutoRun with a name greater than !Macros (so it gets run after !Macros) and that file clears all macro definitions and sets up a new lot. Which leads to the effect of Save Macros doing nothing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 13 13:47:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141769 for opro ; Wed, 13 Dec 100 13:47:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976710162:20:17394:32; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:22:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016958; 13 Dec 2000 12:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29237 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:14:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA29234 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:14:37 GMT Received: from userbh20.uk.uudial.com (62.188.142.239) [62.188.142.239] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 146Ame-00076n-00; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:13:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John R Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:11:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multirow? Message-ID: <4a2c3dd299charlton@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <141745@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <141745@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) X-No-Archive: yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <141745@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The only catch being that sometimes people stick another file in > !OvnPro.AutoRun with a name greater than !Macros (so it gets run > after !Macros) and that file clears all macro definitions and sets > up a new lot. Which leads to the effect of Save Macros doing > nothing. Ah-ha! so that's the trigger... Thanks indeed. I find I have a file !Menus some 2K larger than !Macros in the AutoRun file... Can I legally put !Menus file somewhere else to resolve the issue David? Thanks in anticipation, -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 13 13:47:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141772 for opro ; Wed, 13 Dec 100 13:47:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976713907:20:05784:17; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:25:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005639; 13 Dec 2000 13:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29499 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:09:44 GMT Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29496 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:09:35 GMT Received: from tc-1-1-123.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.8.123] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 146BdZ-00075D-00 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:08:01 +0900 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:02:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Multirow? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a2bf7d8cacharlton@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 12 Dec, John R Charlton wrote: > In article <4a15242796bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk>, > Bob Ansell wrote: > > Thanks for that. I did try this but it did not quite work for me. > > The button activates and open its window before beeping and > > allowing me to move it. I did not recognise this until I went back > > and tried it. > > I too found that Bob - common with one of the Spell Check buttons... > if I remember correctly, however if you select Ctrl first and hold it > down and then do the same with the Select Button you will find that > the icon button _will_ reappear around the perimeter of the unwanted > menu box and _provided you keep the two buttons down_ you can place > the button to drop release it where you want it to reside. > > My bug seems to be getting the redefined button bar to be remembered > the next time I switch on. Isn't that over the icon and Choices, --> Save from the iconbar? You then get 'Overwriting default choices. Are you sure?' and you click the Yes button. > > How do you/I do that?:-| I think I'm going word blind reading the > instructions.... Thanks in anticipation, > Ian P. Glad to be able to add a comment for a change. :-) (Hope it's correct!) -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com StrongArm and Risc OS 4 - UK technology. Continuing to think differently! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 13 18:38:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141789 for opro ; Wed, 13 Dec 100 18:38:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976720280:10:03873:30; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:11:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112300; 13 Dec 2000 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29926 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:59:25 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29923 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:59:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 146DM7-0003CM-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:58:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:51:03 GMT Message-Id: <141773@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multirow? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I find I have a file !Menus some 2K larger than !Macros in the >AutoRun file... Can I legally put !Menus file somewhere else to No, don't do that, you'll break the program. Its perfectly OK to have lots of files in AutoRun. The problem only occurs if you have copied in an extra one which happens to redefine all macros. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 13 22:42:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141813 for opro ; Wed, 13 Dec 100 22:42:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976744668:20:03669:15; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:57:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003495; 13 Dec 2000 21:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30955 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:42:06 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30952 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:42:04 GMT Received: from veni (dynip47 [129.69.189.47]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id WAA03437 for In-Reply-To: <141773@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <141773@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <141773@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I find I have a file !Menus some 2K larger than !Macros in the > >AutoRun file... Can I legally put !Menus file somewhere else to > No, don't do that, you'll break the program. > Its perfectly OK to have lots of files in AutoRun. The problem only > occurs if you have copied in an extra one which happens to redefine > all macros. Why doesn't OvationPro store the *user* settings in .OvationPro and read them in from Choices:OvationPro? This way, after an Update, you wouldn't have to redo all the modifications you've done so that OvationPro suits your needs. After every upgrade I find myself diff'ing all the script files in order to see whether there's some new functionality and to avoid losing self-defined stuff. Couldn't this be made more user- and upgrade-friendly? TIA. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 2-handed sword (n.): A useful tool for alignment problems -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 02:59:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141829 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 02:59:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976759600:20:25465:13; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:06:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025401; 14 Dec 2000 2:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31679 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:50:35 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31676 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:50:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 146NWH-000NYC-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:49:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:13:13 GMT Message-Id: <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multirow? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Why doesn't OvationPro store the *user* settings in >.OvationPro and read them in from Choices:OvationPro? I admit that with hindsight it was a mistake to arrange things so that updates don't preserve user settings. But way back then there wasn't such a thing as the internet. Define 'user settings' some people edit their Template files, some probably edit the main !RunImage. The mistake was ever issuing a replacement Macros file with instructions that lead straight to disaster. I don't like 'Choices' its all part of the growing mess and complexity of !Boot. The process of adding some of the worst features of Windows to RISC OS. And anyway all I would have done is produce a new incompatible format for the Choices file, think of the fun that would have caused... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 12:32:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141842 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 12:32:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976790438:20:01201:18; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:40:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107889; 14 Dec 2000 10:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00550 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:32:00 GMT Received: from mail.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail.ims-firmen.de [212.172.125.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA00547 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:31:57 GMT Received: (qmail 364 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 10:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shelley) (62.54.167.14) by ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 10:32:10 -0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:38:43 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:33:58 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 14 Dec 2000 09:33:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:33:54 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multirow? Message-ID: References: <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >Why doesn't OvationPro store the *user* settings in > >.OvationPro and read them in from Choices:OvationPro? > > I admit that with hindsight it was a mistake to arrange things > so that updates don't preserve user settings. But way back then > Reminds me of the myriads of OvPScrpt's I use to set the different date-formats I happen to need. Provided that existing features do not change I could have a "MyChoices" script and still be upgrading all day... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 13:58:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141855 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 13:58:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976798374:10:29070:19; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:52:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112189; 14 Dec 2000 12:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00915 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:31:15 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00912 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:31:12 GMT Received: from veni (dynip25 [129.69.189.25]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id NAA18319 for In-Reply-To: <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Why doesn't OvationPro store the *user* settings in > >.OvationPro and read them in from Choices:OvationPro? > I admit that with hindsight it was a mistake to arrange things > so that updates don't preserve user settings. But way back then > there wasn't such a thing as the internet. [snip] > And anyway all I would have done is produce a new incompatible format > for the Choices file, think of the fun that would have caused... Well, than what about any upgrade installer that takes care of changes the user has made and preserves them (after having asked) automatically? Would be a very welcome addition IMO. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 1/2: One half the value, i.e.: 1/2, X/2, PS/2, OS/2, ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 15:03:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141862 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 15:03:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976804075:20:25349:15; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:27:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116109; 14 Dec 2000 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01246 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:10:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA01243 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:10:24 GMT Received: from userec27.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.107) [62.188.10.107] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 146Z4F-0006aQ-00; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:09:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multirow? Message-ID: <4a2cab96f8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I don't like 'Choices' its all part of the growing mess and complexity > of !Boot. The process of adding some of the worst features of Windows to > RISC OS. True. I don't understand why the application(s) don't keep their configuration information within themselves. In the case of Ovation Pro people seem to asking for an internal config file, and although for most purposes I've used the defaults and any alterations set in individual documents I'd agree a single config file - possibly in Choices is the thing to do. It should be noted though that the application when upgraded or deleted should have this done through an "uninstaller" that removes or modfies the choices file. Peoples comments prompted me to look at Choices, and in Choices.PC for example I have sub-directories v302 v303 and v306. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 18:06:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141880 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 18:06:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976815288:20:02215:25; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:34:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002147; 14 Dec 2000 17:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01858 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:30:41 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01855 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:30:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 146cC3-000NJS-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:29:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:07:26 GMT Message-Id: <141867@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multirow? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >alterations set in individual documents I'd agree a single config file - >possibly in Choices is the thing to do. There's the matter of running from CD - thats a good reason for not putting choices inside the app. Also the situation where you want to have multiple users of a program each with their own personal set ups. I think to do a proper job it would have to be designed into the program - for example the global way of turning applets on and off would have to go, the Default document would have to be generalised. And the question is, at this stage of the game is this the best use of time? >It should be noted though that the application when upgraded or deleted >should have this done through an "uninstaller" that removes or modfies the >choices file. Goodie my uninstaller can have that message, how does it go, "DLL XXX may be used by other applications remove by hand later" It's the Windows model, and one MS has come to regret. Much better if someone had said "everything to do with an application has to be inside its !App directory", so you can copy them around or delete them. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 18:06:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141881 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 18:06:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976815801:20:17081:14; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:43:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016936; 14 Dec 2000 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01952 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:41:31 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01947 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:41:27 GMT Received: (qmail 15212 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 17:40:10 -0000 Received: from userak77.test-uk.uudial.com (HELO UK/gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (62.188.192.180) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 17:40:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:41:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multirow? Message-ID: <4a2cd4e3f2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2cab96f8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a2cab96f8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steven Pampling wrote: > In the case of Ovation Pro people seem to asking for an internal config > file, and although for most purposes I've used the defaults and any > alterations set in individual documents I'd agree a single config file - > possibly in Choices is the thing to do. Does that mean that if I had a file called !Menus2 containing changes, it would override settings in !Menus? That would be useful as I have several settings changed in that and !MenuLib. If I could keep the originals as they were and just put changes in !Menus2 and !MenuLib2 that would solve a lot of problems. Or does Ovation Pro specifically call the information from the existing named files? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 18:06:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141882 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 18:06:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976816614:20:11702:13; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:56:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011459; 14 Dec 2000 17:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01951 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:41:28 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01943 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:41:25 GMT Received: (qmail 15205 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 17:40:09 -0000 Received: from userak77.test-uk.uudial.com (HELO UK/gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (62.188.192.180) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 17:40:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:37:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multirow? Message-ID: <4a2cd47d41rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2ca32d6esbellon@sbellon.de> References: <141818@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a2ca32d6esbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Stefan Bellon wrote: > > And anyway all I would have done is produce a new incompatible format > > for the Choices file, think of the fun that would have caused... > Well, than what about any upgrade installer that takes care of changes > the user has made and preserves them (after having asked) > automatically? Would be a very welcome addition IMO. What would be useful on any upgrade is a list of changes made to the script files inside AutoRun or Library. At least that way we can safely ignore the files if they haven't been altered and just copy over a backup of our working ones, or we can add the changed lines to our working copies. I for one have several changes to Menus and MenuLib so that, for instance, C_A CS_A C_S CS_S are swapped to the way Publisher used to use them. It's a real pain having to do a diff to find changes between working and upgraded files. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 18:31:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141885 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 18:31:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976817436:10:28179:13; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:10:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027641; 14 Dec 2000 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02216 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:08:52 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01412 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:45:48 GMT Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 146ZcU-0005ZO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:44:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:21:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Printing pamphlets Message-ID: <4a2cb791e7david@pandda.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2bf7d8cacharlton@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2bf7d8cacharlton@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro As a migrator(?) from Impression I am finding a particular aspect of printing troublesome: In Impression, printing a pamphlet to LBP4 the progam printed on the reverse of the paper in the correct order. This meant that i coudl take the pile off the top of the printer and place it in the bottom Multi-purpsoe feed tray and have the backs printed onto the correct fronts. (I have an accessory tray where the paper feeds out to the front of the printer, not onto the top) With Ovation, I can see no way, other than to print the front only, then select Back and Reverse to achieve the same effect. I'm only doing 4 page documents at the moement, but soon have much larger documents to print. With thanks, David Crofts (And if this email appears to be off list, it isn't! I must have set Pluto up incorrectly) -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 18:31:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141886 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 18:31:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976817829:20:19093:16; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:17:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2104183; 14 Dec 2000 18:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02340 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:15:31 GMT Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02337 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:15:28 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 146ctP-0001Rl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:14:11 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:11:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:10:43 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <133164@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >More and more companies seem to be producing add-ons to permit Word and Word > >Perfect to output XML. See eg > >http://www.hvltd.com/products/worx/worxdefault.asp. Any chance that TW will > >be able to do the same one day? > > Yes, but, word processing and DTP are different things. The way Word > and Techwriter work fits in very nicely with HTML, web pages, and XML. > The way frame based DTP works doesn't. > > As I said, if you look at the current Quark XML projects, they're little > more than mail merge for input, and saving text stories with styles for > output. > This is an old thread about XML but one which I'm sure will keep coming back. I see that Quark has recently announced its UK (non US) version of Avenue.Quark - an extension that allows XML output. Now I can't really see how useable XML can be output from a frame based application but is this the software that you reckon is 'little more than mail merge for output'? Quark's literature cites a number of publishers (such as Dorling Kindersley) saying how important this development is. Is this all empty puffery or will I have clients asking me why we can't provide XML output? (Well, OK, both are probably true). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 18:31:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141887 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 18:31:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976817475:10:29099:13; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:11:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029020; 14 Dec 2000 18:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02232 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:09:29 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02229 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:09:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 146cn2-0000gP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:08:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:31:23 GMT Message-Id: <141873@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing pamphlets X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In Impression, printing a pamphlet to LBP4 the progam printed on the >reverse of the paper in the correct order. This meant that i coudl take >the pile off the top of the printer and place it in the bottom >Multi-purpsoe feed tray and have the backs printed onto the correct >fronts. (I have an accessory tray where the paper feeds out to the front >of the printer, not onto the top) >With Ovation, I can see no way, other than to print the front only, then >select Back and Reverse to achieve the same effect. So what's the problem? In general you print the fronts or the backs and then possibly having to set reverse depending on the paper feed, you print the back or the fronts. I can only see this is a couple more at most buttons to press. >I'm only doing 4 page documents at the moement, but soon have much larger >documents to print. There is also the sheets window which will let you control which sheet of the pamphlet is printed. I used to find that when printing A5 booklets the paper had to be left to 'cool' between passes or it would jam, so being able to do the two passes separately was an advantage. >(And if this email appears to be off list, it isn't! >I must have set Pluto up incorrectly) It did get bounced to me, presumeably because it was not sent from the address you are subscribed to the list with. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 18:53:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141891 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 18:53:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976819699:20:20578:14; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:48:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127926; 14 Dec 2000 18:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02501 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:33:14 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02498 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:33:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 146dAa-0002Un-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:31:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:08:33 GMT Message-Id: <141883@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multirow? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does that mean that if I had a file called !Menus2 containing changes, it >would override settings in !Menus? Strangely it is the ability to clobber one lot of settings with another which started this thread. >I for one have several changes to Menus and MenuLib so that, for >instance, C_A CS_A C_S CS_S are swapped to the way Publisher used to use >them. It's a real pain having to do a diff to find changes between >working and upgraded files. Ideally 'reasonable' user choices should be put somewhere separate so that they can be preserved from one version to the next, or support more than one user. Then for less reasonable choices like changing the menus there should be an interface which would let you make your changes, but allow the main program to be updated and allow your changes to still work. I forgot to mention, there is a Custom applet, quite primitive for now, but thats where you should place your own additions to the program. Even now you could probably make your changes to the menus in a different way - instead of hacking the main scripts, write a script of your own in Custom.AutoRun which changes the menu definition. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 14 19:46:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141895 for opro ; Thu, 14 Dec 100 19:46:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976820950:10:29686:13; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:09:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103311; 14 Dec 2000 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02730 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:55:03 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02727 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:55:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 146dVg-0004bE-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:53:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:33:13 GMT Message-Id: <141888@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This is an old thread about XML but one which I'm sure will keep >coming back. I see that Quark has recently announced its UK >(non US) version of Avenue.Quark - an extension that allows XML >output. Now I can't really see how useable XML can be output from >a frame based application but is this the software that you >reckon is 'little more than mail merge for output'? Things may have moved on, someone could define an XML that allowed frame based documents to be saved whole. However the Quark stuff I looked at back then, was of use to a particular sort of company. For example you have a massive catalogue, and you want to either import all the prices from a database or export the prices from your Quark document for use on your web site. Are such companies using RISC OS? Probably not. >empty puffery or will I have clients asking me why we can't >provide XML output? (Well, OK, both are probably true). Depends what your clients do. Perhaps there's lots that could be done for RISC OS databases with XML. If your clients ever do ask, let me know, it might not be too hard to do. Put it another way, what did Avenue Quark do for these companies? Allow then to save their documents as XML and load transparently into 'Indesign'? Todays trade magazine CRN asks "What comes after XML"... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 15 13:46:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141928 for opro ; Fri, 15 Dec 100 13:46:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976885322:20:13002:117; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:02:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2122444; 15 Dec 2000 12:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05399 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:47:24 GMT Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05396 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:47:22 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 146uFQ-0005kZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:46:05 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:45:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:45:20 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Message-ID: <8197482d4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <141888@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Depends what your clients do. > > Perhaps there's lots that could be done for RISC OS databases with XML. > > If your clients ever do ask, let me know, it might not be too hard to do. > > Put it another way, what did Avenue Quark do for these companies? Allow > then to save their documents as XML and load transparently into 'Indesign'? > I take your point. I think that what interests such companies is the ability to export stuff from 'legacy' documents into their databases. In our case, I guess the position is slightly different and quite specific. We produce a number of academic journals for publishers. The 'industry' trend has been to make such journals available online as well as in print. In many cases, this is now done by throwing the (fairly predictable and hierarchical text) into XML markup which allows them to easily repurpose the text, display only abstracts (say) to non subscribers, produce tables of contents on the fly, create online, CDROM, printed versions for different parts of the world etc. Some academic books are going the same way - allowing people to pay for and download their own choice of chapters for example. I don't know whether it is a serious issue for us - there now seem to be several companies (often based in India or China) who make a living out of scanning in hardcopy and returning XML markup the next day. In some cases they offer to do this free of charge to the publisher if they can provide the online service. But we do feel a bit vulnerable in that when a customer asks whether we can future proof documents by exporting XML we have to keep rather quiet. I have sometimes wondered whether a 'Save story as XML' facility might be a starting point (It would mean that we would have to create XML documents in a simplistic way based on styles rather than frames but that probably wouldn't be too difficult for these journals), but there would have to be some way of handling graphics. However, I genuinely don't know whether it would be worth the effort at this stage. > Todays trade magazine CRN asks "What comes after XML"... > Did they provide an answer? SGML has been around for an astonishing long time but is only now making some kind of impact. But it has certainly found a place in academic publishing which is one of the arenas RISC OS inhabits. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 15 15:32:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141953 for opro ; Fri, 15 Dec 100 15:32:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976890456:20:28652:17; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:27:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106630; 15 Dec 2000 14:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05745 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:25:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05742 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:25:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 146vmk-000ElC-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:24:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:49:25 GMT Message-Id: <141932@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have sometimes wondered whether a 'Save story as XML' facility might be a >starting point (It would mean that we would have to create XML documents in >a simplistic way based on styles rather than frames but that probably >wouldn't be too difficult for these journals), but there would have to be >some way of handling graphics. However, I genuinely don't know whether it >would be worth the effort at this stage. I think what would be nice, would be what Richard Hallas once suggested a bit of code that lets you save styles to a set of tags. Could be HTML could be whatever you like. I've just done some work that allows add on file exporters. Support for David Breakwell's RTF exporter. >> Todays trade magazine CRN asks "What comes after XML"... >Did they provide an answer? Seemed to be a couple of pages. I really meant that it was the usual buzz word thing. week1: 'push technology', 'network computer' take your pick is invented week2: forecasters agree 'push technology' will sweep old technology away shares rocket (or plunge) week3: 'push technology' dies and is never heard of again. week4: seek week1 Whole lexicons of buzz words pass by RISC OS without doing any harm at all. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 15 15:32:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141954 for opro ; Fri, 15 Dec 100 15:32:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976890552:20:01662:13; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:29:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001263; 15 Dec 2000 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05758 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:26:31 GMT Received: from bonn.shuttle.de (bonn.shuttle.de [194.95.249.247]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04495 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:06:20 GMT Received: by bonn.shuttle.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id E884617F30; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:05:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from hmg-koeln.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m146aYI-000fGAC; Thu, 14 Dec 100 16:44 MET Message-ID: <3A38D211.FBBB93B7@hmg-koeln.de> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:58:41 +0100 From: Jochen Konietzko Organization: Heinrich-Mann-Gymnasium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Tab marks the Impression way? References: <80256999.003A0F41.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just dug out my old copy of Publisher, and yes, I did remember correctly: One of the nice things about it is the way in which the tabs which are relevant for the cursor position are always shown in the Ruler at the top of a document. I can't get Ovation Pro (2.56 / 2.58 / 2.60) to do this. Have I overlooked something or is this neat idea really not implemented? If it isn't, is it possible that one version soon this will be a new feature of Ovation Pro? Cheers, Jochen Konietzko -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 15 18:03:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141957 for opro ; Fri, 15 Dec 100 18:03:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976894686:20:25347:13; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:38:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110811; 15 Dec 2000 15:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06138 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:36:26 GMT Received: from mail.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail.ims-firmen.de [212.172.125.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06135 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:36:23 GMT Received: (qmail 28392 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 15:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shelley) (62.54.167.2) by ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 15:36:53 -0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:06:18 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:08:50 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 15 Dec 2000 15:08:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:08:48 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multirow? Message-ID: References: <141867@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <141867@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <141867@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > Goodie my uninstaller can have that message, how does it go, > > "DLL XXX may be used by other applications remove by hand later" > > It's the Windows model, and one MS has come to regret. > So while we're at it why not add some 'wizards' of sorts to OP too - PeeCee has it, why don't we? Never been so easy to have quivers of anticipation and disgust move through Your spine at the same time ;> Have fun... -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 15 19:31:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141965 for opro ; Fri, 15 Dec 100 19:31:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976903500:10:06105:33; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:05:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005698; 15 Dec 2000 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06610 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:02:15 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06607 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:02:13 GMT Received: from du-013-0136.freeuk.com ([212.126.150.136] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 146zA8-0001DF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:00:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:17:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab marks the Impression way? Message-ID: <4a2d568253rogerpenny@freeUK.com> In-Reply-To: <3A38D211.FBBB93B7@hmg-koeln.de> References: <80256999.003A0F41.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> <3A38D211.FBBB93B7@hmg-koeln.de> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <3A38D211.FBBB93B7@hmg-koeln.de>, Jochen Konietzko wrote: > I've just dug out my old copy of Publisher, and yes, I did remember > correctly: One of the nice things about it is the way in which the > tabs which are relevant for the cursor position are always shown in > the Ruler at the top of a document. > I can't get Ovation Pro (2.56 / 2.58 / 2.60) to do this. > Have I overlooked something or is this neat idea really not > implemented? > If it isn't, is it possible that one version soon this will be a new > feature of Ovation Pro? I think David knows about this as I made a fuss about it some months ago. Compared with Publisher I find the way Ovation Pro handles Tab settings is very poor. Please David could you have a close look at how Publisher dealt with Tabs etc. and do something about Ovation Pro. It is one of the only reasons that I still mainly use Publisher. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogerpenny@freeUK.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 15 23:18:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141983 for opro ; Fri, 15 Dec 100 23:18:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976911904:20:05085:13; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:25:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121209; 15 Dec 2000 20:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07060 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:23:46 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07057 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1471N6-000EqG-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:22:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:35:22 GMT From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab marks the Impression way? Message-ID: References: <80256999.003A0F41.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> <3A38D211.FBBB93B7@hmg-koeln.de> <4a2d568253rogerpenny@freeUK.com> In-Reply-To: <4a2d568253rogerpenny@freeUK.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In missive <4a2d568253rogerpenny@freeUK.com> Roger Penniceard expounded: > I think David knows about this as I made a fuss about it some months > ago. Compared with Publisher I find the way Ovation Pro handles Tab > settings is very poor. Please David could you have a close look at how > Publisher dealt with Tabs etc. and do something about Ovation Pro. Err, I agree. I like tabs to be always visible on the main ruler. Could we have the ability to select between the display of the whole document ruler and the frame ruler? Generally I only need the whole document ruler when setting up master pages or moving frames around. At all other times I'm interested in the frame ruler - on which tabs should appear. Perhaps the appropriate ruler could appear according to what the user is actually doing? If I'm moving a frame around or drawing a new one then a whole document ruler appears. At other times the frame ruler is the default. -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andymcmullon@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 15 23:18:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141984 for opro ; Fri, 15 Dec 100 23:18:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976913076:20:13148:14; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:44:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012937; 15 Dec 2000 20:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07169 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:44:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07166 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:44:09 GMT Received: from userfg88.uk.uudial.com (62.188.22.90) [62.188.22.90] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1471gq-000340-00; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:42:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:43:21 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Printing pamphlets Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is only one good answer to printing double-sided anything - get a duplex printer! All those restacking and refeeding problems go away! If it is a Postscript or later Hewlett Packard PCL printer it is very easy to print from Ovation without any more software - that page order is just right!. Using HP PCL (up to 5e) our Ljduplex program will sort out the page order for Impression, Ovation, Sibelius and others. John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 15 23:18:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA141991 for opro ; Fri, 15 Dec 100 23:18:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976919103:10:21013:13; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:25:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115150; 15 Dec 2000 22:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07597 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:24:16 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07594 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:24:14 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1473Fi-0007f5-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:22:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:20:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Message-ID: <4a2d7d422dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8197482d4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <141888@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8197482d4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 15 Dec, David Graddol wrote: > databases. In our case, I guess the position is slightly > different and quite specific. We produce a number of academic > journals for publishers. The 'industry' trend has been to make > such journals available online as well as in print. In many > cases, this is now done by throwing the (fairly predictable and > hierarchical text) into XML markup which allows them to > easily repurpose the text, display only abstracts (say) to non > subscribers, produce tables of contents on the fly, create > online, CDROM, printed versions for different parts of the world > etc. Some academic books are going the same way - allowing people > to pay for and download their own choice of chapters for example. What I'd like to see is someway of taking an SGML or XML -marked up document & a DTD & producing something eg OvPro DDL from it. But that's because I'm in the process of helping someone put together a book which I've been recommended to do with SGML and I'm having to find tools do to this on that other platform that we don't mention. I'd like to be able to view the result (and tweak it if needed) in OvPro (though I know that realistically the thing to do then is to change the DTX &/ SGML and re-create the document... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 16 01:43:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142003 for opro ; Sat, 16 Dec 100 01:43:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976922420:20:18416:13; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:20:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116319; 15 Dec 2000 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07763 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:19:52 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07760 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:19:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14747W-0009va-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:18:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:34:19 GMT Message-Id: <141968@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab marks the Impression way? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes tab rulers have been discussed before. I think there are two possible improvments - a permanent ruler akin to Impression (suitable for word processing) and then making the current ruler follow rotated frames (for DTP work). The permanent ruler would be pretty easy. And I've no problem with it. The only problem is finding the time. Personally I sometimes find manipulating tabs tricky, a 'select all' button would help me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Dec 17 19:36:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142054 for opro ; Sun, 17 Dec 100 19:36:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976986554:20:24718:13; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:09:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103249; 16 Dec 2000 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10589 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:03:12 GMT Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10586 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:03:10 GMT Received: (qmail 19247 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2000 17:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.76) by warrior with SMTP; 16 Dec 2000 17:01:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:27:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Tab marks the Impression way? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <141968@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 15 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > Yes tab rulers have been discussed before. I think there are > two possible improvments - a permanent ruler akin to Impression > (suitable for word processing) and then making the current ruler > follow rotated frames (for DTP work). > > The permanent ruler would be pretty easy. And I've no problem > with it. The only problem is finding the time. > > Personally I sometimes find manipulating tabs tricky, a 'select all' > button would help me. > > > David Pilling Sometimes I think back to PageMaker 5's Tab handling. It had an option to set tabs at any regular interval from the last set tab (or from the start of the ruler of no tabs set yet). I used it extensively for statistical tables with a wide descriptive column and 20 (or more) columns of figures at regular intervals. The dialogue box change might just be another on/off icon for Regular tabs (taking the tab type from the existing radio buttons) and using the figure in the position box as the interval (or put an extra writable icon for interval) Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Dec 17 19:37:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142057 for opro ; Sun, 17 Dec 100 19:37:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 976993751:20:02013:13; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:09:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001997; 16 Dec 2000 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10983 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:07:02 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10980 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:07:00 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.168.56]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001216190539.TUKC10171.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:05:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:01:55 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab marks the Impression way? Message-ID: References: <141968@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <141968@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <141968@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Personally I sometimes find manipulating tabs tricky, a 'select all' > button would help me. I have found Easiwriter's ability to select TABS by a drag quite . -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From afea41@ukgateway.net Mon Dec 18 16:32:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142133 for opro ; Mon, 18 Dec 100 16:32:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977127099:10:23913:0; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:11:39 GMT Received: from hose.mail.pipex.net ([158.43.128.58]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108236; 18 Dec 2000 8:11 GMT Received: from afea41.dial.pipex.com (userez99.uk.uudial.com [62.188.19.170]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EA9F34503 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:11:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:06:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Frank Thomas From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 18 16:34:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142144 for opro ; Mon, 18 Dec 100 16:34:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977085032:21:04245:13; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:30:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103123; 17 Dec 2000 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15072 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:22:11 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15069 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:22:03 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.164.142]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001217202046.BPWV15131.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:20:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:20:33 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab marks the Impression way? Message-ID: References: <141968@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Colin McQueen wrote: > In message <141968@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > Personally I sometimes find manipulating tabs tricky, a 'select all' > > button would help me. > > I have found Easiwriter's ability to select TABS by a drag quite . > Ooops ... :) .... quite user friendly. Sorry about that got dragged away to lunch. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 18 16:35:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142157 for opro ; Mon, 18 Dec 100 16:35:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977147136:20:02808:15; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:45:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002726; 18 Dec 2000 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17599 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:41:28 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17596 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:41:26 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eBIDe6Y04461 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:40:06 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id OAA23999 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:43:00 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802569B9.004B250A.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:38:32 +0000 Subject: Re: Tab marks the Impression way? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Personally I sometimes find manipulating tabs tricky, a 'select all' > button would help me. Whilst we are on this subject. I find it almost impossible to select a tab that is close to (or in the same position as) the indent or end of line markers. Is there a way of selecting just tabs by holding down the ctrl/shift/alt or somthing? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 18 20:57:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142172 for opro ; Mon, 18 Dec 100 20:57:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977157734:10:22012:18; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:42:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117831; 18 Dec 2000 16:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18153 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:34:10 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18150 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:34:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1483DY-0005DB-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:32:52 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:34:22 GMT Message-Id: <142121@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab marks the Impression way? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have found Easiwriter's ability to select TABS by a drag quite . In other words drag click on the tab ruler lets you draw out a drag box on release any tabs within the area are left selected. Thats pretty nice. Not quite so easy in OPro because click on the tab ruler always creates a tab, but I could make it work with Adjust. Probably making the pointer change over a tab, and making the zone around each tab that you have to click in a bit wider would help. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 18 20:58:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142177 for opro ; Mon, 18 Dec 100 20:57:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977160819:20:06420:50; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:33:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006019; 18 Dec 2000 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18317 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:18:36 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18314 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:18:34 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA18617 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:17:17 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:18:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: XML (fwd) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <141932@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 15 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > Whole lexicons of buzz words pass by RISC OS without doing any harm at all. > Sums up quite a lot! Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 19 02:06:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142209 for opro ; Tue, 19 Dec 100 02:06:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977178503:20:11871:16; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:28:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011082; 18 Dec 2000 22:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19168 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:09:55 GMT Received: from localhost.guernsey.net (IDENT:0@post.guernsey.net [195.226.128.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16390 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:51:17 GMT Received: from ianhunter.guernsey.net ([195.226.141.45]) by localhost.guernsey.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA05532 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:52:28 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:53:20 GMT From: Ian Hunter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Buffer overflow Message-ID: <6b7d562e4a.ianhunter@ianhunter.guernsey.net> References: <200012061348.NAA31457@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200012061348.NAA31457@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.71) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In various mailings, referring to buffer overflow, it has been suggested that the deletion of the Gylesan font cures the problem. I have installed the OvPro CD and I recently fired up Fireworkz and TableCalc. Both showed the error of Buffer overflow. I deleted the Gylesan font but the problem still remained. Is this something I should take up with the respective programmes or is still a OvPro font problem? Thanks. -- Ian Hunter Rocque Balan Vale, Guernsey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 19 14:31:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142236 for opro ; Tue, 19 Dec 100 14:31:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977225331:10:10259:24; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:28:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009669; 19 Dec 2000 11:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21159 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:07:23 GMT Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21156 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:07:17 GMT Received: from modem-46.mercury.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.59.174] helo=localhost) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 148KaX-0000vP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:05:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:26:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Auto paragraph numbering Message-ID: <4a2f45be5esimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <140956@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <140956@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <140956@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The program actually supports up to 16 of these options although > so far there are only about 4 for each implemented. > So if anyone would has a good idea for further additions... Yes: Option on the number of significant figures: in some situations 1.1, 1.2, ... 1.10, 1.11 etc is OK, but for a particular level it may be prefereable to have 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, ... 1.10, 1.11 or even 1.001, 1.002,...1.010, 1.011,...1.100, 1.101 etc cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 19 14:33:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142246 for opro ; Tue, 19 Dec 100 14:33:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977222329:20:01307:14; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:38:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123871; 19 Dec 2000 10:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20967 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:25:20 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20960 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:25:05 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust92.tnt14.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.122.92] with SMTP for id LAA05058 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:23:47 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <005e01c069a5$478c20e0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <142121@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Tab marks the Impression way? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:19:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun, 17 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > >I have found Easiwriter's ability to select TABS by a drag quite . > > In other words drag click on the tab ruler lets you draw out a drag box > on release any tabs within the area are left selected. > > Thats pretty nice. Not quite so easy in OPro because click on the tab > ruler always creates a tab, but I could make it work with Adjust. > Probably making the pointer change over a tab, and making the zone around > each tab that you have to click in a bit wider would help. Another convenient way could be the Pipedream approach: Layout autowidth. This means scanning the column for the largest text, add 1 or two spaces. Then the next tab is needed. For Pipedream this concerns of course the whole document. For OvPro this could mean: -select the 'tabbed' text -set the left and right margin (when the user doesn't want the default) apply 'autowidth' -change the kind of tab afterwards, or the font size or the left and right margin. -when neccessarily, re-apply 'auto width' -etc. and, if the tab window shouldn't occur in the document window, but display the tab data in the info panel, it would be my favourite ... . I like the ruler placed directly above the currently selected text. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 19 14:33:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142247 for opro ; Tue, 19 Dec 100 14:33:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977222337:20:01800:13; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:38:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001125; 19 Dec 2000 10:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20964 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:25:11 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20961 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:25:05 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust92.tnt14.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.122.92] with SMTP for id LAA05037 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:23:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <005a01c069a5$4495eb50$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <200012061348.NAA31457@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <6b7d562e4a.ianhunter@ianhunter.guernsey.net> Subject: Re: Buffer overflow Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:59:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun, 17 Dec, Ian Hunter wrote: > In various mailings, referring to buffer overflow, it has been > suggested that the deletion of the Gylesan font cures the > problem. > > I have installed the OvPro CD and I recently fired up Fireworkz > and TableCalc. Both showed the error of Buffer overflow. I > deleted the Gylesan font but the problem still remained. > > Is this something I should take up with the respective programmes > or is still a OvPro font problem? You can see by yourself, whether or not it is a font problem, by using the command *fontcat in a Taskwindow or after pressing F12. This gives a listing of all the fonts installed at that moment. When this listing doesn't end with a 'buffer overflow' message, it has nothing to do with the fonts installed. If the message is there, it is given for the font, that causes the problem. I don't know about TableCalc. But in Fireworkz, it depends whether or not you get this message when you open a new (clean) document or a saved file. The latter can contain reference to the deleted font. You can see this by dropping this Fireworkz doc on the !Edit icon and search for the occurence of the font or the buffer overflow. You can solve it by opening a new Fireworkz doc and copy the content of the 'faulty' Fireworkz doc. This copies only the actual content. Save the 'new' one and open it. When all is well, you can delete the old, faulty one. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 20 01:25:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142305 for opro ; Wed, 20 Dec 100 01:25:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977273586:20:09561:13; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:53:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009462; 20 Dec 2000 0:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23313 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:47:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23310 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:47:21 GMT Received: from usercd96.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.207) [62.188.151.207] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 148XOM-000164-00; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:46:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:16:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: !Speech Message-ID: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have installed the Speech applet (without the - sign!). I have loaded !Speech v 2.07 dated 12.08.97. I use Pluto 2.02b. Speech works fine with this email, but I cannot get it to work with an OvPro document. When I click on Speak story from the Applet menu, the screen breaks up, and after a short time the cursor ends up at the foot aof the page - but with no speech. I have loaded !Speech first, then OvPro with the applet enabled. Help, please! -- ______________________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / Acorn SA RiscPC with RiscOS4 \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / and Dynalink 56k __________________________/ colin@birches75.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 20 13:35:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142323 for opro ; Wed, 20 Dec 100 13:35:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977308830:10:06395:13; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:40:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121953; 20 Dec 2000 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24965 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:20:19 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24962 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:20:17 GMT Received: from [137.195.101.212] (helo=mail-r2.hw.ac.uk ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 148gKr-0002Lq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:19:01 +0000 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 148gKs-0007ku-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:19:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:18:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Changes to t'other OPro site Message-ID: <4a2fce56d6C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi all First the apologies. Roger Noble sent me some stuff a couple of weeks ago to go on the site. What did I do? I went off on a business trip without doing anything about it, and then forgot when I came back. Only just rediscovered Roger's e-mail. Anyway, I have now done the necessary. Here is the information about the changes. !Headings 1.04 Nothing major, just a tidy up of the code. !StylePal 1.08 This is the version of !StylePal modified by Nick Kaijaks. A minor addition to handle story-scope styles in Ovation Pro 2.60. Will still work with older versions. !Sequence 1.04 Now goes much faster when re-numbering or re-ordering. The increase in speed is largely a result of fixing a bug in the following: !!!!!!!bm 1.01 This is R.J.E. Thompson's enhanced bookmark manager with a bug (more a typo really) fixed that caused it to go very slowly when deleting or overwriting a selection in a document containing a lot of bookmarks. (Roger is hoping Rupert will not mind him fixing this!) And the new one: !Together 1.01 An applet for keeping adjacent paragraphs together on the same page. Useful for keeping headings with their text, figures with their titles and the like. Note that the documentation for !Headings, !Sequence and !Together has been produced by Ovation Pro 2.60, so may not be readable using earlier versions. Regards Chris.... Oh - the url is in the sig..... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 20 17:46:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142340 for opro ; Wed, 20 Dec 100 17:46:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977330380:21:12087:14; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:39:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111239; 20 Dec 2000 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26089 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:17:46 GMT Received: from proxy.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.187.250.66]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26086 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:17:44 GMT Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.187.250.72]) by proxy.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id DB37EA78C8 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:12:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost ([194.88.85.78]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:16:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:06:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a2fee36d2steve@cobbles-end.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk>, Colin Wood wrote: > I have installed the Speech applet (without the - sign!). > I have loaded !Speech v 2.07 dated 12.08.97. > I use Pluto 2.02b. > Speech works fine with this email, but I cannot get it to work with an > OvPro document. When I click on Speak story from the Applet menu, the > screen breaks up, and after a short time the cursor ends up at the foot > aof the page - but with no speech. > I have loaded !Speech first, then OvPro with the applet enabled. > Help, please! No help I'm afraid - just a 'me too'. I'd really like to get this working - I did with an early OP ages and ages ago, but have not had it working for years. Any help also gratefull received, as I've tried everything suggested! Cheers Steve -- ..------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire|"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '------------------------------------' steve@cobbles-end.co.uk RiscOS powered -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 20 18:28:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142357 for opro ; Wed, 20 Dec 100 18:28:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977336838:20:11530:13; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:27:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127542; 20 Dec 2000 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26524 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:23:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26521 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:23:24 GMT Received: from usercb09.uk.uudial.com (62.188.150.176) [62.188.150.176] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 148nsO-00068B-00; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:22:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:19:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk>, Colin Wood wrote: > I have installed the Speech applet (without the - sign!). > I have loaded !Speech v 2.07 dated 12.08.97. > I use Pluto 2.02b. > Speech works fine with this email, but I cannot get it to work with an > OvPro document. When I click on Speak story from the Applet menu, the > screen breaks up, and after a short time the cursor ends up at the foot > aof the page - but with no speech. > I have loaded !Speech first, then OvPro with the applet enabled. > Help, please! No problem here; I have used the Speech applet since OPro came out, and am now on 2.60. I can't remember how it was set up, but I think it was just a case of RTFI :-) Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 20 18:59:56 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142361 for opro ; Wed, 20 Dec 100 18:59:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977337148:10:09244:16; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:32:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008991; 20 Dec 2000 18:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26581 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:30:26 GMT Received: from bonn.shuttle.de (bonn.shuttle.de [194.95.249.247]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA24308 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:23:21 GMT Received: by bonn.shuttle.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id 941CA17E45; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:22:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from hmg-koeln.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m148NrN-000fGqC; Tue, 19 Dec 100 15:35 MET Message-ID: <3A3F5955.90C5659B@hmg-koeln.de> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:49:25 +0100 From: Jochen Konietzko Organization: Heinrich-Mann-Gymnasium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Changing the page size of a document References: <142121@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Here's another Impression feature I can't get to work in Ovation Pro: In Publisher I have a collection of master pages and when I want to change a chapter I just have to select a new masterpage - say, Landscape instead of Portrait. Is this possible in Ovation and have I just not found it? Cheers, Jochen Konietzko -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 20 19:34:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142366 for opro ; Wed, 20 Dec 100 19:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977338976:10:21546:17; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:02:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116394; 20 Dec 2000 19:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26748 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:01:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26745 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:01:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 148oTb-000Ewu-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:00:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:29:49 GMT Message-Id: <142358@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Changing the page size of a document X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Here's another Impression feature I can't get to work in Ovation Pro: >In Publisher I have a collection of master pages and when I want to >change a chapter I just have to select a new masterpage - say, Landscape >instead of Portrait. >Is this possible in Ovation and have I just not found it? Can you change the page size or orientation by just changing the master page design, Yes. Open Master pages, page guidelines. Can you do it by changing the name of the master page (as in Impression) No. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 21 12:50:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142397 for opro ; Thu, 21 Dec 100 12:50:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977385860:21:02385:13; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:04:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102278; 21 Dec 2000 8:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28995 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:00:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA28992 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:00:12 GMT Received: from useret39.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.24) [62.188.17.24] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1490cn-0006sB-00; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:58:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:14:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Changes to t'other OPro site Message-ID: <4a3004da2fsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2fce56d6C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <4a2fce56d6C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a2fce56d6C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > And the new one: > !Together 1.01 An applet for keeping adjacent paragraphs > together on the same page. Useful for keeping > headings with their text, figures with their > titles and the like. Ah, must download that one. Does that latch in to the keep together elements in DP's code or is it "stand alone" so to speak? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 21 12:51:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142396 for opro ; Thu, 21 Dec 100 12:50:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977369587:10:11302:13; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:33:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119226; 21 Dec 2000 3:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28227 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:27:33 GMT Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA28224 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:27:30 GMT Received: (qmail 17524 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 03:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.220) by warrior with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 03:25:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:34:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Changing the page size of a document To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <3A3F5955.90C5659B@hmg-koeln.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 19 Dec, Jochen Konietzko wrote: > Here's another Impression feature I can't get to work in Ovation Pro: > In Publisher I have a collection of master pages and when I want to > change a chapter I just have to select a new masterpage - say, Landscape > instead of Portrait. > Is this possible in Ovation and have I just not found it? > > Cheers, > > Jochen Konietzko Same result by opening the master page(s) of the chapter you want to modify, then Menu-Page-Page Guidelines. OProo documents hold master pages for each chapter, but not a library of master pages as Impression does. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 21 12:51:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142399 for opro ; Thu, 21 Dec 100 12:51:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977387519:10:13451:13; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:31:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110646; 21 Dec 2000 8:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29151 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:28:31 GMT Received: from elm.eurobell.net (elm.eurobell.net [212.24.65.75]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA29148 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:28:29 GMT Received: (qmail 75981 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 08:27:14 -0000 Received: from 77-188.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.77.188) by elm.eurobell.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 08:27:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:26:05 GMT From: Keith Bamford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Fill Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I should be grateful for any help in printing a page using the Fill applet. I wish to use the graduated bilinear fill rotated 90 deg so it changes shade from top to bottom of the page. When the page looks correct and then I print it the page comes out white. How can I get it to print what is on the screen please? Keith -- Keith Bamford kbamford@roada.org.uk why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 21 17:21:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142412 for opro ; Thu, 21 Dec 100 17:21:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977413145:10:08175:13; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:39:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006113; 21 Dec 2000 15:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30311 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:35:37 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA30308 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:35:35 GMT Received: from userbl25.uk.uudial.com (62.188.144.132) [62.188.144.132] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1497jX-0000oj-00; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:34:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:45:03 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Fill Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 21 Dec 2000 (08:26:05), kbamford@eurobell.co.uk wrote: > I should be grateful for any help in printing a page using the Fill > applet. I wish to use the graduated bilinear fill rotated 90 deg so it > changes shade from top to bottom of the page. When the page looks > correct and then I print it the page comes out white. How can I get it > to print what is on the screen please? > You may have to go by trial and error! If you choose the darkest colour to be a tint which is pale, your printer may not be able to reproduce such a pale colour and it will come out white. You could also try changing your printer configuration settings; the Quality chosen can have quite an effect on the range of shades/tints which are available to be printed. Colour/grey, diffused or colour/grey, halftoned give a much greater range of tints than halftoned fine. (This is due to the number of dots used for each halftone block in the print.) Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 21 21:29:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142427 for opro ; Thu, 21 Dec 100 21:29:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977430069:20:21377:15; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:21:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021069; 21 Dec 2000 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31239 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:19:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31236 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:19:05 GMT Received: from userej86.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.97) [62.188.13.97] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 149C9q-00005x-00; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:17:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:04:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a3019f02acolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2fee36d2steve@cobbles-end.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a2fee36d2steve@cobbles-end.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a2fee36d2steve@cobbles-end.co.uk>, Steve White wrote: > In article <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk>, > Colin Wood wrote: > > I have installed the Speech applet (without the - sign!). > > I have loaded !Speech v 2.07 dated 12.08.97. > > I use Pluto 2.02b. > > Speech works fine with this email, but I cannot get it to work with > > an OvPro document. When I click on Speak story from the Applet menu, > > the screen breaks up, and after a short time the cursor ends up at > > the foot aof the page - but with no speech. > > I have loaded !Speech first, then OvPro with the applet enabled. > > Help, please! > No help I'm afraid - just a 'me too'. I'd really like to get this > working - I did with an early OP ages and ages ago, but have not had it > working for years. Any help also gratefull received, as I've tried > everything suggested! > > Cheers > Steve Tried it again tonight - working fine!! (The only problems seems to be that the cursor stops at the beginning of the last word, so further typing keeps that last word as last in the paragraph.) Can only think that a shutdown/restart didn't initialise whatever, while switching it off and restarting a day later did. -- ______________________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / Acorn SA RiscPC with RiscOS4 \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / and Dynalink 56k __________________________/ colin@birches75.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 21 21:29:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142428 for opro ; Thu, 21 Dec 100 21:29:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977430914:20:04694:13; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:35:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004561; 21 Dec 2000 20:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31311 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:32:07 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31308 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:32:05 GMT Received: (qmail 14555 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 20:30:49 -0000 Received: from userc702.uk.uudial.com (HELO userc702) (194.69.99.160) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 20:30:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:48:17 GMT From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Changes to t'other OPro site Message-ID: <675b70304a.rgn@aidc61.ukgateway.net> References: <4a2fce56d6C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> <4a3004da2fsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a3004da2fsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (19 May 2000) [TEST 3], ZapEmail 0.25 (30 Jun 2000) test-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steven Pampling wrote: > > !Together 1.01 An applet for keeping adjacent paragraphs > > together on the same page. Useful for keeping > > headings with their text, figures with their > > titles and the like. > > Ah, must download that one. > Does that latch in to the keep together elements in DP's code or is it > "stand alone" so to speak? It is stand-alone. You specify which styles it applies to. Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@ukgateway.net rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 21 21:30:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142429 for opro ; Thu, 21 Dec 100 21:30:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977427267:10:16017:14; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:34:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105742; 21 Dec 2000 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31035 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:31:33 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31032 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:31:30 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user184.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.116]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04098 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:30:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:29:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a3084a176marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [Snip] > > I have loaded !Speech first, then OvPro with the applet enabled. > > Help, please! > No problem here; I have used the Speech applet since OPro came out, and > am now on 2.60. I can't remember how it was set up, but I think it was > just a case of RTFI :-) Is it possible that you don't have the JSDSpeak 'font' loaded? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 21 21:30:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142431 for opro ; Thu, 21 Dec 100 21:30:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977429761:10:02278:14; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:16:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002018; 21 Dec 2000 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31190 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:12:50 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31187 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:12:48 GMT Received: from modem-25.green-chromis.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.22.25] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 149C3m-0000Ex-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:11:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:41:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk>, Colin Wood wrote: > I have installed the Speech applet (without the - sign!). > I have loaded !Speech v 2.07 dated 12.08.97. > I use Pluto 2.02b. > Speech works fine with this email, but I cannot get it to work with > an OvPro document. When I click on Speak story from the Applet > menu, the screen breaks up, and after a short time the cursor ends > up at the foot aof the page - but with no speech. > I have loaded !Speech first, then OvPro with the applet enabled. > Help, please! Have you read the !Help file within the !Speech applet? It makes it clear that you need Jonathan Duddington's !Speak speech applicaion and that this is "seen" by the filer before running OvPro. Having !Pluto without !Speak is no use. !Pluto on its own uses a "restricted" version of the module "speakmod". The restriction is that it will work only with !Pluto. I have both applications and have replaced speakmod in Pluto with the unrestricted module from !Speak. Pluto loaded first enables OvPro to speak! For identification, the restricted module (latest version) is "2.16R"; unrestricted is "2.16". Does that help? Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 2.02b on RPC, SA, OS 4.02. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 21 23:23:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142451 for opro ; Thu, 21 Dec 100 23:23:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977439673:10:19678:13; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:01:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018461; 21 Dec 2000 23:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31885 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:59:32 GMT Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31881 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:59:24 GMT Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.com by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 149Eeu-0008HT-01; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:58:00 +0100 Received: from veni (520042741018-0001@[62.226.253.174]) by fmrl03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 149Eei-0KFZJJC; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:57:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:48:17 +0100 Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a3096cf5dsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4a3084a176marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4a3084a176marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 520042741018-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a3084a176marteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: [snip] > Is it possible that you don't have the JSDSpeak 'font' loaded? Just out of interest: What's that? I do have Pluto with speak facility, but not !Speak alone. So I know that I can't get Ovation Pro to speak my texts. But what is a JSDSpeak 'font'? Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 2/3 of us are poor at division. The other half can't add. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 22 01:55:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142452 for opro ; Fri, 22 Dec 100 01:55:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977447224:20:18706:13; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:07:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119000; 22 Dec 2000 1:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32287 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:03:58 GMT Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32284 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:03:55 GMT Received: from tc-2-1-212.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.10.212] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 149GbW-0005ep-00 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:02:39 +0900 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:24:11 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Fill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 21 Dec, Roger Foden wrote: > On Thu 21 Dec 2000 (08:26:05), kbamford@eurobell.co.uk wrote: > > I should be grateful for any help in printing a page using the Fill > > applet. I wish to use the graduated bilinear fill rotated 90 deg so it > > changes shade from top to bottom of the page. When the page looks > > correct and then I print it the page comes out white. How can I get it > > to print what is on the screen please? (Snip) You haven't got RO4 with the printer set to 360 (Best, Microweave) have you? THat would give blank pages on everything tho... Good luck Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com StrongArm and Risc OS 4 - UK technology. Continuing to think differently! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 22 13:56:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142457 for opro ; Fri, 22 Dec 100 13:56:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977478006:20:09947:13; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:40:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109662; 22 Dec 2000 9:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01146 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:36:10 GMT Received: from proxy.jakinternet.co.uk ([212.187.250.66]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01143 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:35:58 GMT Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.187.250.72]) by proxy.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id B75BBA776B for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:30:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost ([194.88.66.164]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:34:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:33:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net>, Frank Watkinson wrote: > In article <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk>, Colin Wood > wrote: > > I have installed the Speech applet (without the - sign!). > > I have loaded !Speech v 2.07 dated 12.08.97. > > I use Pluto 2.02b. > > Speech works fine with this email, but I cannot get it to work with > > an OvPro document. When I click on Speak story from the Applet > > menu, the screen breaks up, and after a short time the cursor ends > > up at the foot aof the page - but with no speech. > > I have loaded !Speech first, then OvPro with the applet enabled. > > Help, please! > Have you read the !Help file within the !Speech applet? It makes it > clear that you need Jonathan Duddington's !Speak speech applicaion and > that this is "seen" by the filer before running OvPro. > Having !Pluto without !Speak is no use. !Pluto on its own uses a > "restricted" version of the module "speakmod". The restriction is that > it will work only with !Pluto. > I have both applications and have replaced speakmod in Pluto with the > unrestricted module from !Speak. Pluto loaded first enables OvPro to > speak! > For identification, the restricted module (latest version) is "2.16R"; > unrestricted is "2.16". > Does that help? > Regards. Frank. Hello I have read all the !help files and have unrestricted speak module (although 2.14 - no R)(I have also a copy of !Speak, and Pluto, and the same module in each). The module is loaded in my desktop boot file before OPro. Still no joy - the caret just whizzes down to the end of the story without anything being said! Still grateful for help! Cheers Steve -- ..------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire|"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '------------------------------------' steve@cobbles-end.co.uk RiscOS powered -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 22 13:56:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142459 for opro ; Fri, 22 Dec 100 13:56:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977484234:20:11651:46; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:23:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010010; 22 Dec 2000 11:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01469 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:15:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01466 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:15:20 GMT Received: from userbf48.uk.uudial.com (bb57.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.142.69] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 149Q9C-00005r-00; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:14:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tom Chubb To: Ovation List Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:12:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: StylePal query Message-ID: <4a30dafb0ctomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I make much use of this excellent applet and some documents can contain a considerable number of styles. I wonder if there is a way to change the order in which the styles appear in the styles panel. For example, they seem to appear in the order they are created but I would find it useful to group them - say, all heading styles together, all body styles together etc. The ability to separate the groups with a line would also help. Can this be done in v. 1.08? Many thanks, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 22 16:27:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142462 for opro ; Fri, 22 Dec 100 16:27:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977494328:10:22301:13; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:12:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119038; 22 Dec 2000 14:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02071 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:10:20 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02068 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:10:18 GMT Received: from [137.195.101.212] (helo=mail-r2.hw.ac.uk ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 149SsZ-0001D9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:09:03 +0000 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 149SsZ-0001Cg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:09:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation List Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:04:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: StylePal query Message-ID: <4a30eaa9ceC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a30dafb0ctomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a30dafb0ctomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4a30dafb0ctomc@argonet.co.uk>, Tom Chubb wrote: > I make much use of this excellent applet and some documents can > contain a considerable number of styles. I wonder if there is a way > to change the order in which the styles appear in the styles panel. > For example, they seem to appear in the order they are created but > I would find it useful to group them - say, all heading styles > together, all body styles together etc. The ability to separate the > groups with a line would also help. > Can this be done in v. 1.08? The only way I have found of reordering and grouping styles in a document is to save it as DDL and then use a text editor to rearrange the order in the DDL file before reloading it into OPro. David will now tell us there is a much easier way. Chris.... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 22 20:49:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142473 for opro ; Fri, 22 Dec 100 20:49:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977504914:20:26589:17; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:08:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026453; 22 Dec 2000 17:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02630 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:06:37 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02627 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:06:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 149VdA-000N2F-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:05:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:31:01 GMT Message-Id: <142465@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: StylePal query X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >David will now tell us there is a much easier way. Funny you should say that. Someone recently suggested allowing the style order to be changed, reasonable idea I thought, and went off to see how it could be done. My conclusion is that it can't be done easily at all. Internally the program relies on styles being in a certain order to speed up searching. Obviously it is possible, but would need a change in the file format 8-( David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 22 20:49:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142476 for opro ; Fri, 22 Dec 100 20:49:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977511332:10:01646:15; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:55:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100151; 22 Dec 2000 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02972 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:53:46 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02969 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:53:44 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user182.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.114]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09121 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:52:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:46:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a31048254marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a3096cf5dsbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4a3084a176marteng@intonet.co.uk> <4a3096cf5 User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a3096cf5dsbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > In article <4a3084a176marteng@intonet.co.uk>, > Marten Gallagher wrote: > [snip] > > Is it possible that you don't have the JSDSpeak 'font' loaded? > Just out of interest: What's JSDSpeak 'font'? Hmm... having watched this thread it seems I may be out of date! I have religiously kept this 'pseudo(?) font' in my font file because I'm sure this was what was originally needed as part of the Speak/Speech business. It was/is as far as I know produced by Jonathan Duddington (initials I believe: JSD) as part of the speaking system. Maybe nowadays it is not required - in which case I should be told! :-) Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 22 20:50:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142477 for opro ; Fri, 22 Dec 100 20:49:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977513531:10:11099:16; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:32:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013917; 22 Dec 2000 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03140 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:31:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03137 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:31:05 GMT Received: from useran48.uk.uudial.com (62.188.135.65) [62.188.135.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 149Xsx-00028l-00; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:29:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: Ovprolist Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:40:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Problems with !Fill Message-ID: <4a30e2ff18tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have never really used this much but recently decided to use a graduated fill in a project I am working on. I created a frame and applied a fill from white to 40% red. When i printed this in B/W as a draft copy it printed out as a fill from white to grey, just as you would expect. However when I then printed it in colour for the final job all I got was a completely black frame. I am using a Canon BJC7000 with the !Fill applet that came on the 2.60CD. Has any one else experienced this and if so how can it be overcome? All appears well if the setting is at 100% red but all values below this print as solid black. It does however print correctly if using either of the other fill options. Tony -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 22 22:54:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142495 for opro ; Fri, 22 Dec 100 22:54:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977522534:10:22491:13; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:02:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022443; 22 Dec 2000 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03629 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:57:14 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03626 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:57:12 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop11-75.access.ch [212.161.131.203]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08642 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:55:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:54:15 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: StylePal query To: Ovation List In-Reply-To: <4a30dafb0ctomc@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 22 Dec, Tom Chubb wrote: > I make much use of this excellent applet and some documents can contain a > considerable number of styles. I wonder if there is a way to change the > order in which the styles appear in the styles panel. For example, they > seem to appear in the order they are created but I would find it useful to > group them - say, all heading styles together, all body styles together > etc. The ability to separate the groups with a line would also help. > > Can this be done in v. 1.08? I faced the same problem when starting on resizing the OvPro manual. Not knowing what styles would be needed, etc. I finally came to the following solution. I took one of the documents with many styles and deleted all text, pictures or whatever. Result: an empty document with many styles defined. In this document I entered the name of the styles according to the style applet on a single line and applied said style to its own name. And eventually added new styles in the same way. So every line reflected the defined style. I then opened a new document and dragged line by line the style names in the order of my choice to the new document. Now the styles were in the order I wanted. Having such a "Style Template" also makes it easy to maintain styles through different documents. Hope this idea is of some help. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 22 23:25:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142505 for opro ; Fri, 22 Dec 100 23:25:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977525996:10:27745:13; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:59:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124880; 22 Dec 2000 22:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03850 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:56:47 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03842 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:56:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 149b60-0008tI-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:55:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:09:10 GMT Message-Id: <142491@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems with !Fill X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I have never really used this much but recently decided to use a graduated >fill in a project I am working on. I created a frame and applied a fill >from white to 40% red. When i printed this in B/W as a draft copy it >printed out as a fill from white to grey, just as you would expect. >However when I then printed it in colour for the final job all I got was a >completely black frame. I am using a Canon BJC7000 with the !Fill applet Many questions, regarding printer driver type (Turbo, Photoreal, etc.) and mode. However perhaps it would help if I pointed out that Fill is rendering a sprite. So you could simulate it pretty well by taking a screen shot of a fill and sticking that in a frame. For those having problems with rotated fills, snap it unrotated and then rotate. You might also try using SPrinter (my web site) for a test since it provides a useful way of seeing what should work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 23 02:08:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142511 for opro ; Sat, 23 Dec 100 02:08:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977527867:20:17887:14; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:31:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017564; 22 Dec 2000 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03999 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:27:08 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03996 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:27:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 149bZP-000Cdm-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:25:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:22:52 GMT Message-Id: <142499@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: StylePal query X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I took one of the documents with many styles and deleted all text, >pictures or whatever. Result: an empty document with many styles >defined. Quick way to get all styles from one doc A to B. Open the Edit syles window in doc B, drag style sheet from file menu in document A to it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 23 02:08:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142510 for opro ; Sat, 23 Dec 100 02:08:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977530106:10:21672:13; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:08:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021600; 23 Dec 2000 0:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04217 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:50:59 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04214 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:50:58 GMT Received: from modem-101.lamark-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.36.229] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 149bwU-0004Xf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:49:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:51:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a310a8107rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a31048254marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4a3084a176marteng@intonet.co.uk> <4a3096cf5 User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Marten Gallagher wrote: > In article <4a3096cf5dsbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > In article <4a3084a176marteng@intonet.co.uk>, > > Marten Gallagher wrote: > > [snip] > > > Is it possible that you don't have the JSDSpeak 'font' loaded? > > Just out of interest: What's JSDSpeak 'font'? > Hmm... having watched this thread it seems I may be out of date! I have > religiously kept this 'pseudo(?) font' in my font file because I'm sure > this was what was originally needed as part of the Speak/Speech > business. I think JSDSpeak font is one that is required for the !PHONEdit application that is part of !Speak. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 23 02:08:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142513 for opro ; Sat, 23 Dec 100 02:08:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977528092:20:22684:15; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:34:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022548; 22 Dec 2000 23:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04040 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:31:28 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04036 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:31:25 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 149bda-0009EZ-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:30:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:28:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a310dd884john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a31048254marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4a3084a176marteng@intonet.co.uk> <4a3096cf5 User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a31048254marteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > In article <4a3096cf5dsbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > In article <4a3084a176marteng@intonet.co.uk>, > > Marten Gallagher wrote: > > [snip] > > > Is it possible that you don't have the JSDSpeak 'font' loaded? > > Just out of interest: What's JSDSpeak 'font'? > Hmm... having watched this thread it seems I may be out of date! I have > religiously kept this 'pseudo(?) font' in my font file because I'm sure > this was what was originally needed as part of the Speak/Speech business. > It was/is as far as I know produced by Jonathan Duddington (initials I > believe: JSD) as part of the speaking system. > Maybe nowadays it is not required - in which case I should be told! :-) It is required if you want to use the speek program to its full extent. Using Speek you can modify how it pronounces various words (& get it to pronounce your name correctly!) and do a whole host of investigations into phonics. To do all this you nee a special alphabet linked to the sounds of words. That's what the JSDSpeak Font is all about. > Slainte -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK The next meeting of MAUG on Wednesday 17th January... ...will be... [still embargoed] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 23 02:08:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142514 for opro ; Sat, 23 Dec 100 02:08:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977528302:20:27350:17; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:38:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120281; 22 Dec 2000 23:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04081 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:34:36 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04072 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:34:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 149bgb-000D92-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:33:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:26:46 GMT Message-Id: <142508@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: StylePal query X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would it be possible to just render the list in another order? I suppose >this order would also need saving, Is there room in the OvPro file spec >for ignore-if-not-understood sections - like drawfiles? Certainly if anyone wants to they can make the style palette support a different display order. It can save the order in documents using the tagged information manager (see the script manual). (i.e. yes anyone can add data to files without the main program having any understanding of the data). I expect I could use the same technique, but I'd be more inclined to use a more efficient scheme, which would mean finding a few bits in each style definition. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 23 13:56:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142523 for opro ; Sat, 23 Dec 100 13:56:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977562170:10:27745:16; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:02:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129819; 23 Dec 2000 9:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05919 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:59:04 GMT Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05916 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:59:02 GMT Received: from localhost (tnt-18-239.easynet.co.uk [212.134.224.239]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D1595F810E for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 08:57:44 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a30e42eb2Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk>, Steve White wrote: [Snip] > Hello I have read all the !help files and have unrestricted speak > module (although 2.14 - no R)(I have also a copy of !Speak, and Pluto, > and the same module in each). The module is loaded in my desktop boot > file before OPro. Still no joy - the caret just whizzes down to the end > of the story without anything being said! > Still grateful for help! > I think you might need 2.16, the speech module was updated to work around problems on RISC OS 4.00. HTH, Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 23 13:56:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142525 for opro ; Sat, 23 Dec 100 13:56:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977565825:10:02547:14; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:03:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119820; 23 Dec 2000 10:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06152 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:00:27 GMT Received: from mail.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail.ims-firmen.de [212.172.125.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06148 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:00:25 GMT Received: (qmail 6845 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2000 10:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shelley) (62.54.167.20) by ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 23 Dec 2000 10:01:04 -0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:52:18 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:47:54 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 23 Dec 2000 09:47:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:47:51 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: StylePal query Message-ID: References: <142499@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142499@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <142499@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >I took one of the documents with many styles and deleted all text, > >pictures or whatever. Result: an empty document with many styles > >defined. > > Quick way to get all styles from one doc A to B. Open the Edit > syles window in doc B, drag style sheet from file menu in document A > to it. > I don't get it, open style edit in doc B, click menu over doc A - closes doc B's dialogue, and no dragging anyplace... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 23 16:04:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142532 for opro ; Sat, 23 Dec 100 16:04:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977582101:10:08916:13; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:35:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008849; 23 Dec 2000 14:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06962 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:32:29 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06959 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:32:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 149phV-00088W-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:31:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:59:21 GMT Message-Id: <142528@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: StylePal query X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Err oops. Page 82 in the CD based manual (page 78 in the paper one) >You can merge the styles from another document or stylesheet by dragging a >document or stylesheet onto the Edit style dialogue box (fig. 6.2). Works for colours too (with the edit colours window). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 23 16:04:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142538 for opro ; Sat, 23 Dec 100 16:04:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977585739:10:11316:13; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:35:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011201; 23 Dec 2000 15:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07160 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:33:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA07157 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:33:45 GMT Received: from useras83.uk.uudial.com (62.188.137.87) [62.188.137.87] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 149qer-0001tD-00; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:32:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:31:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a31767f73pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, [Snip] > No problem here; I have used the Speech applet since OPro came out, and > am now on 2.60. I can't remember how it was set up, but I think it was > just a case of RTFI :-) Looking into it a bit further (it was all a long time ago) I discover two lines in my desktop Boot file. One boots !Speech and one runs the file Runmodule from the app, and I think I had to do it this way to make it work. While writing this, I note that Colin's original post refers to !Speech, not !Speak. Isn't that a quite different app; is this the problem? HTH, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 23 23:22:56 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142558 for opro ; Sat, 23 Dec 100 23:22:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977612137:10:26895:15; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:55:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026582; 23 Dec 2000 22:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08256 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:53:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08253 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:53:12 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 149xW8-000Lge-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:51:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: OvPro mailing list Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:50:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: More questions about DDL files Message-ID: <4a319ea891Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm still considering using an external application to generate a parttial DDL file which will probably, after being loaded into OvPro be further processed by applet code. One thing I'm looking for is a way to bury information that is significant to the program that generates the DDL file within that file so that the subsequent applet knows what to do. The options I can see so far are: a) placing meaningfully-named bookmarks at certain points (but is that possible in a DDL file?) b) placing meaningful (but short) text as required and wrapping it up in a defined style; practical application of that style would be something like 0-point text, or conceivably total removal of that style-delimited text by a subsequent applet. Much of the reasoning for this is because I'm going to produce a document with very many embedded cross-references. I do not plan to mark the start & end points of xref links by hand (since they can be generated from aspects of my original data). Things like cross-ref page numbers etc obviously have to be determined by the formatter (ie OvPro) as it lays out the text through the document. Are there any existing applets that will list all the bookmarks placed in a story (or all stories) along with their names and location (chap.page) and (perhaps) some of the surrounding text? No point reinventing that wheel if someone's got one... Is there an applet anywhere that will list all the defined styles (within a certain document) and their features? Obviously saving such a document as ddl and looking at the style defs there is nearly a solution (though not immensely readable). When I see something like "{leading 2 13107}" I can guess that the 2 perhaps indicates the type of leading def (in this case 20% so a percentage) and the 13107 is its size? If so how do I interpret the 13107 - is it in 72000ths of a point? Or? In use of defined colours there are things like: "colourvalue COL_02 0x10000" - does the hex bit represent 100% tint? Another problem (which I've asked about before) is to find some way of forcing OvPro to take a new page before it starts laying-out an arbitrary paragraph. The only way I can think of doing that is to find the page number of the caret position, then insert a couple of large characters and redetermine the page number - if the vertical space taken up by the large characters is more than the available space at that point I know that really I want a new page. The applet could then remove the inserted big characters and start to lay out the paragraph, preceding it with newpage if required. Does anyone think that there is a better way to do this? Looking at contents of DDL files I find I'm fairly happy with most of it, but I see that each named font/page/text/frame is suffixed with a number eg "FONT_948e = details" and TEXT_pqr and PAGE_abc etc etc. Is there any significance in these numbers - can they be generated by me without something awful happening (presuming that I make them unique and cross- refer them correctly)? If a chapter has header/footer etc defined on master pages (as separate header/footer stories) and the main text just flows from page to page after that can I let the main text just be one very long story? I assume that if I want to imbed a picture then I'd define the relvant picture frame, but would I need to know a succession of PAGE_ and TEXT_ definitions for the flow of pages up until the one with the picture? Would I then need a new story to start for subsequent text, or a new text frame for the rest of that page and (I assume) the main frame continuing according to master pages after that? I suppose I should be able to put together some sample documents and see how they are built in DDL and then mimic that ... but it helps to know if that might be foolish! Since I've never seen any of this documented I've tried to intuit what it all means, partly based on how I guess OvPro must work. Looking at other people's applets and the scripting functions gives away lots of ideas about this, and helps to associate flags values with users' views of things (eg 1/2/3 for inches/mm/points - or whatever the values are). Between that and careful examination of sample DDL files I can tell a lot, but there must be some kind of documentation of how the format works somewhere (even if just program comments). Is there no way that this can be made public? Even under NDA terms if needed? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Dec 24 14:09:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142578 for opro ; Sun, 24 Dec 100 14:09:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977625767:10:23465:13; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:42:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023401; 24 Dec 2000 2:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08917 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:39:44 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08914 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:39:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14A13L-000ENb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:38:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 00:16:49 GMT Message-Id: <142567@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: More questions about DDL files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > a) placing meaningfully-named bookmarks at certain points > (but is that possible in a DDL file?) No book marks in current DDL. > b) placing meaningful (but short) text as required and wrapping it up > in a defined style; practical application of that style would be > something like 0-point text, or conceivably total removal of that > style-delimited text by a subsequent applet. That is another way. I suppose yet another would be to have an escape sequence in the text ** this is my stuff ** but that would not be inivisble. >Is there an applet anywhere that will list all the defined styles (within >a certain document) and their features? Menu over the styles pane in the Edit style window. In DDL dimensions are usually in 72000'ths of an inch, and scale's are based on 0x10000 == 100%. >Looking at contents of DDL files I find I'm fairly happy with most of it, >but I see that each named font/page/text/frame is suffixed with a number >eg "FONT_948e = details" and TEXT_pqr and PAGE_abc etc etc. Is there >any significance in these numbers - can they be generated by me without >something awful happening (presuming that I make them unique and cross- >refer them correctly)? Yes these things are like the variable names in a Basic program, you can call them Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice or what you like, but OPro generates meaningful names. So make up your own. >If a chapter has header/footer etc defined on master pages (as separate >header/footer stories) and the main text just flows from page to page >after that can I let the main text just be one very long story? I >assume that if I want to imbed a picture then I'd define the relvant >picture frame If you want to embed pictures in the text flow, then you define them all before you start the main frame, and then have embed commands at the appropriate point in the text. Pages are not involved, OPro will stick the frame in the text flow. OTOH if you want frames on pages, then you have to create the pages and then create the frames. >lot, but there must be some kind of documentation of how the format works There isn't you know. >somewhere (even if just program comments) It is not commented, it is 'obvious' from the source. But then it is pretty obvious from saved DDL files. It would be nice to document DDL, I think its not bad, owes a bit to LISP and a bit to C. You can even do arithmetic in it. But I don't have the time. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Dec 24 14:09:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142581 for opro ; Sun, 24 Dec 100 14:09:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977658498:10:04836:13; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:48:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108593; 24 Dec 2000 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10664 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:44:58 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10661 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:44:56 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14A9Yz-0006VH-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:43:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:38:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: More questions about DDL files Message-ID: <4a31e50a29Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142567@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <142567@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Dec, David Pilling wrote: [snip lots of useful info] thanks for that - it gives me confidence to continue... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Dec 24 23:02:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142596 for opro ; Sun, 24 Dec 100 23:02:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977697815:20:01968:13; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:43:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001781; 24 Dec 2000 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12673 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 21:41:23 GMT Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA12670 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 21:41:21 GMT Received: (qmail 10613 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2000 22:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.150) by murphys with SMTP; 24 Dec 2000 22:39:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:27:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: More questions about DDL files To: OvPro mailing list In-Reply-To: <4a319ea891Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 23 Dec, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > Another problem (which I've asked about before) is to find some way of > forcing OvPro to take a new page before it starts laying-out an arbitrary > paragraph. The only way I can think of doing that is to find the page > number of the caret position, then insert a couple of large characters > and redetermine the page number - if the vertical space taken up by the > large characters is more than the available space at that point I know > that really I want a new page. The applet could then remove the inserted > big characters and start to lay out the paragraph, preceding it with > newpage if required. Does anyone think that there is a better way to do > this? > Isn't there something about "Keep together"? (Is it a style feature, a paragraph attribute, or have I imagined it?) so that a paragraph will not be split, or a subhead will not be separated from its following paragraph. If it exists, is this the sort of thing you have in mind? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 27 15:29:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142608 for opro ; Wed, 27 Dec 100 15:29:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977760494:20:28938:13; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 16:08:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028899; 25 Dec 2000 16:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15697 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:03:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15694 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:03:09 GMT Received: from userfi19.uk.uudial.com (62.188.22.219) [62.188.22.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Aa4P-00007Z-00; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 16:01:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: OvPro mailing list Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 10:16:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: More questions about DDL files Message-ID: <4a3261548asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a319ea891Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sat 23 Dec, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > Isn't there something about "Keep together"? (Is it a style feature, a > paragraph attribute, or have I imagined it?) so that a paragraph will > not be split, or a subhead will not be separated from its following > paragraph. If it exists, is this the sort of thing you have in mind? I haven't yet tried the !Together applet but that pretty much the effect it is working to. There is keep together features in the DDL format, but David hasn't (yet) fully implemented the code that goes with it. It does work (mostly) and has done for a long while. I was trying output from a Squirrel database with those codes included a few years back. It does have a tendency to go base over apex at unpredictable intervals though. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 27 15:30:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142621 for opro ; Wed, 27 Dec 100 15:30:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977912583:20:24548:13; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:23:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022789; 27 Dec 2000 10:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22086 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:05:00 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22083 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:04:54 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09663 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:03:34 GMT (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <3A49BE74.4030506@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:03:32 +0000 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Speech References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> <4a30e42eb2Ian. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have OP2.60 But no speek etc. How do i go about installing it? -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 27 15:30:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142628 for opro ; Wed, 27 Dec 100 15:30:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977920427:10:09614:14; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:33:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108896; 27 Dec 2000 12:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22438 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:09:52 GMT Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22435 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:09:48 GMT Received: from modem-25.spotted-trigger.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.41.153] helo=modem-25) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14BFNa-00008b-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:08:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:07:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a33732d1erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3A49BE74.4030506@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> <4a30e42eb2Ian. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John P. Kerslake wrote: > I have OP2.60 But no speek etc. How do i go about > installing it? Buy it from Jon Duddington - jsd@argonet.co.uk About 24 quid. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 28 02:26:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142658 for opro ; Thu, 28 Dec 100 02:26:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977959047:20:06051:13; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:17:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003692; 27 Dec 2000 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24245 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:06:25 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24242 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:06:20 GMT Received: from useral18.uk.uudial.com (62.188.134.91) [62.188.134.91] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14BPcm-0003c3-00; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:04:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:39:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a3231f7f0colin.wood@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a31767f73pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a2ffa5f58pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4a31767f73pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a31767f73pnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, > While writing this, I note that Colin's original post refers to !Speech, > not !Speak. Isn't that a quite different app; is this the problem? It was (and is) !Speak 2.07. >From other posts, it looks as if it would be worth upgrading to 2.16 or later. Cheers, -- ______________________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / Acorn SA RiscPC with RiscOS4 \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / and Dynalink 56k __________________________/ colin@birches75.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 28 23:18:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142715 for opro ; Thu, 28 Dec 100 23:18:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978043678:20:11840:13; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:47:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011533; 28 Dec 2000 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27985 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 21:42:34 GMT Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27982 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 21:42:32 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-78.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.78]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA06882 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:40:52 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:40:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: CD labels To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello all Has anyone produced stationary for CD labelers? I see there is a single CD label on the OvPro CD but I can't find anything else. If this has not been done I will produce some (probably for the Pressit and IBM format labels) but I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 29 16:04:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142733 for opro ; Fri, 29 Dec 100 16:04:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978103722:10:25632:13; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:28:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123671; 29 Dec 2000 15:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31106 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:22:07 GMT Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31103 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:22:04 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-120.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.120]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA11586 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:20:49 GMT Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:20:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: CD labels To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 28 Dec, Steve Ellacott wrote: > Hello all > > Has anyone produced stationary for CD labelers? I see there is a single CD > label on the OvPro CD but I can't find anything else. > Oh dear, replying to my own posting :-{ I have just found CDBox/zip on the web site. It only seems to do half a sheet though. http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/templates.html Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message