From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 14:43:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137315 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 14:43:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 972963319:20:21206:18; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:35:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021107; 31 Oct 2000 3:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19085 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:19:29 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19078 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:19:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13qRw3-000HS2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:18:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:14:38 GMT Message-Id: <137312@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Euro instead of tick... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes. Use Nick Kaijaks version of the Style Palette. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 14:43:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137318 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 14:43:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 972964216:20:19767:14; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:50:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019665; 31 Oct 2000 3:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19084 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:19:29 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19076 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:19:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13qRw0-000HS2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:18:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:03:51 GMT Message-Id: <137306@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro CD in Windows(NT) was: Re: Maillist textfiles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I can confirm that NT supports both long filenames and multisession. Now put your OPro CD into an NT machine and say that. >The "standard" format for CDs these days is Joliet (sp?) I believe the OPro CD is using that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 14:43:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137321 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 14:43:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 972965055:20:19417:14; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:04:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019319; 31 Oct 2000 4:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19083 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:19:26 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19072 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:19:22 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13qRw2-000HS2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:18:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:11:22 GMT Message-Id: <137310@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multirow? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I did try this but it did not quite work for me. The button >activates and open its window before beeping and allowing me to move it. I >did not recognise this until I went back and tried it. yes thats a new bug that came in with 2.57 when I allowed buttons to behave in different ways with different types of click. I need to fix this but I'm not sure how at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 14:43:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137323 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 14:43:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 972965983:20:19001:14; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:19:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018967; 31 Oct 2000 4:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19070 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:19:22 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19067 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:19:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13qRvx-000HS2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:17:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:56:58 GMT Message-Id: <137304@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Importing Impression X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A small 'prob' with one documnet: My bubblejet requires quite large margins, >bottom especially. I had to alter the master page on each chapter (compare >below) to shorten the page length. Can the filter be asked to make smaller >pages? Err pardon. The Impression filter should create pages in OPro exactly the same size as those in Impression. >Also the master default [new] document is 'too long'. Is this also alterable >(sorry if I've forgotton how). Well it is A4. You can save your own default document, Main Menu -> File -> Save as default. This discussion makes me think that a solution might be to use the Print dialogue box to fit or centre what you're printing to the printable area of the printer page. >NB the documentation file on the disc also was paginated a bit long (David's >details couldnt print at the bottom of the page), also some pages were >'missing'. The thing there is that new chapters start on the right, so the missing pages are the left hand sides at the end of some chapters. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 14:44:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137332 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 14:44:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 972987858:10:05174:16; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:24:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004793; 31 Oct 2000 10:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20511 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:20:58 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20508 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:20:56 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24679 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:19:09 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id KAA31454 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:37:14 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256989.003582DA.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:32:29 +0000 Subject: Re: OvPro CD in Windows(NT) was: Re: Maillist textfiles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> This supersedes all the previous white, red, green, yellow book stuff >> along with rock-ridge etc. So if you can create CDs in this format and >> they can be read by RiscOS then that is the way to go. >I think that's actually supersedes (according to Microsoft)... Probably, although it has been taken up by the Mac world >>I can confirm that NT supports both long filenames and multisession. >Now put your OPro CD into an NT machine and say that. When I get around to ordering it and it arrives I will :-) >>The "standard" format for CDs these days is Joliet (sp?) >I believe the OPro CD is using that. I guess with all these standards there are standard variations. What I see on our CD burner when I import a CD is lots of sessions labelled as Joliet format. I can then add to these using standard windows filename conventions, long filenames with spaces etc. record the new stuff and then read the CD on an NT machine (and win95/2K). I can also read these CDs on my rather aged Eesox 4x SCSI CD on my RiscPC although it does take an age to read large files. I will investigate further when the Opro CD arrives, but for now that is as far as I can go. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 14:44:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137333 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 14:44:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 972979483:20:29987:14; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:04:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109818; 31 Oct 2000 8:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20004 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:03:28 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA20001 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:03:26 GMT Received: from usern032.uk.uudial.com (193.149.81.65) [193.149.81.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13qWMu-0007UN-00; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:02:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:49:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Export from OVpro 2.6 Message-ID: <4a1600e1c5davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004001c04273$29eddaa0$2c94a8c2@akalat> References: <136719@pilling.demon.co.uk> <518fa2134a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4a152de48edavidb@argonet.co.uk> <000 User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <004001c04273$29eddaa0$2c94a8c2@akalat>, Mike Williams wrote: > I have always found that mapping between PC fonts and RISC OS fonts to > be something of a problem with the RTF format. Any additional mechanism > which allows the user to specify font mapping would help, both in > importing and exporting. Noted :-) - I'm just rewriting some of the code at the moment to make it a little more efficient and hope to have something by the end of the week. Font mapping may have to wait until a later release. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 14:44:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137335 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 14:44:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 972979492:20:00308:15; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:04:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109994; 31 Oct 2000 8:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20009 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:03:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA20006 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:03:30 GMT Received: from usern032.uk.uudial.com (193.149.81.65) [193.149.81.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13qWMx-0007UN-00; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:02:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:50:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Export from OVpro 2.6 Message-ID: <4a160100f6davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <003301c04274$21cbfc70$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <136719@pilling.demon.co.uk> <518fa2134a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4a152de48edavidb@argonet.co.uk> <000 User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <003301c04274$21cbfc70$4d01a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > And of course, ruler and tab settings implemented as default. Of course - just as soon as I remember what a twip is. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 14:44:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137334 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 14:44:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 972987866:10:05414:15; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:24:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004796; 31 Oct 2000 10:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20506 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:20:27 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20503 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:20:25 GMT Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13qYVV-00017c-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:19:05 +0000 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29242 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:19:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:12:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Applets Message-ID: <4a160dfdccC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <136934@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <136934@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by punt1.hw.ac.uk id KAA29242 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAA20504 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAB20506 In article <136934@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > It is true (I'm surprised) this sequence occurs twice in !RunImage > 00008910 : M.R=E3 : E352004D : CMP R2,#&4D ; =3D"M" > ... > 00008920 : M =A0=E3 : E3A0204D : MOV R2,#&4D > So to be more accurate you'd have to search for the two words (4 > bytes rather than one) and you can't change it to just any old > value, has to be one that can be used in an ARM instruction. > Incidentally normally a !RunImage would be squeezed and you'd have > to unsqueeze it before editing it. In case there are users who are wary of doing this hack themselves, I have now placed on the alternative web site a hacked version. Use at your own risk 8-) Regards to all Chris --=20 Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 19:13:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137384 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 19:13:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973018521:20:01924:14; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:55:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001854; 31 Oct 2000 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21861 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:50:14 GMT Received: from dervish.mail.pipex.net (dervish.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA21858 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:50:12 GMT Received: (qmail 22876 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2000 18:48:47 -0000 Received: from usered05.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.10.184) by smtp-3.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2000 18:48:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:32:17 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro CD in Windows(NT) was: Re: Maillist textfiles Message-ID: <4A1604CEB7%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <137306@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <137306@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <137306@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >I can confirm that NT supports both long filenames and. > Now put your OPro CD into an NT machine and say that. Hm. I produced a multisession audio CD on Win98. Windoze wouldn't read more than the 1st 5 tracks. My RPC read all 11! > >The "standard" format for CDs these days is Joliet (sp?) > I believe the OPro CD is using that. I was under the impression that ROS m/c couldn't read that format. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk I haven't lost my mind; I know exactly where I left it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 20:57:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137394 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 20:57:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973025124:10:08470:14; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:45:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007038; 31 Oct 2000 20:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22139 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:42:51 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22136 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:42:49 GMT Received: from gwen ([62.255.40.48]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001031204123.QRLL13163.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:41:23 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Taborca files print smaller? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:41:19 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Printing an OvPro 2.6 A4 sheet of business cards via Taborca to file, > re-displaying it in Lea Smiers PDF viewer from which it is printed via > PoScript2 (v1.64) to a Postscript enabled Brother laser printer > gives cards > reduced from 82mm by 55mm to about 76mm by 52 mm. > > Reprinting direct from OvPro using the usual HP laser printer definiton > prints full size. > > Has this been seen by others? What have I set wrongly? Any diagnostic help > suggestions please. The default setting for printing out PDFs in Acrobat on a PC is to scale the contents to fit a page. If the "contents" is a full A4 page printout produced on a RISC OS machine, then that could, I guess, result in a scale reduction. Perhaps !PDF does a similar thing by default? Later, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 22:01:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137402 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 22:01:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973026793:20:06425:16; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:13:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126503; 31 Oct 2000 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22313 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:13:09 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22310 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:13:07 GMT Received: from pbready ([62.253.12.98]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001031211141.NCXZ270.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@pbready> for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:11:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:11:37 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: HTMLPro Message-ID: <98534a164a.pbready@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anyone got any example OvPro/HTMLPro docs that they'd be willing to share? While the latter's documentation talks of downloadable example files, I can't see any on levens website. TIA -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 22:01:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137404 for opro ; Tue, 31 Oct 100 22:01:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973028827:20:27661:14; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:47:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108502; 31 Oct 2000 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22493 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:43:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22490 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:43:48 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13qjAp-0002kX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:42:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:03:38 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: RE: Taborca files print smaller? To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello Answering my own question to some extent - thanks Nick for confirming I was on the right lines today - spent a long time going round the loop using Acrobat reader on a PC in place of !PDF and Ghostscript's ps2pdf in place of Taborca. Doctoring the initial Postscript paper size to one called 'smallerA4' and ensuring the original OvPro master page was set to suitably smaller and it worked a treat. Malcolm On Tue 31 Oct, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > Printing an OvPro 2.6 A4 sheet of business cards via Taborca to file, > > re-displaying it in Lea Smiers PDF viewer from which it is printed via > > PoScript2 (v1.64) to a Postscript enabled Brother laser printer > > gives cards > > reduced from 82mm by 55mm to about 76mm by 52 mm. > > The default setting for printing out PDFs in Acrobat on a PC is to scale the > contents to fit a page. If the "contents" is a full A4 page printout > produced on a RISC OS machine, then that could, I guess, result in a scale > reduction. > > Perhaps !PDF does a similar thing by default? -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 1 01:27:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137428 for opro ; Wed, 01 Nov 100 01:27:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973035579:20:15847:14; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:39:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015833; 31 Oct 2000 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22993 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:37:55 GMT Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA22990 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:37:53 GMT Received: (qmail 6906 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2000 23:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.63) by warrior with SMTP; 31 Oct 2000 23:35:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:30:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: The dreaded extra page (again) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <65b904154a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 29 Oct, John Charman wrote: > In message <137082@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > >I have created a 3 page document and on each page have created text > > >frames all of which are linked. A spurious 4th page is then added by > > >OPro itself which I cannot delete. > > > > hard to say without seeing the document, assuming it is small or > > can be stripped down send it to me by private email. > > > > the usual thing is that a master frame is coverered up, or > > there's something embedded in a story. OPro will always try > > to flow one page before giving up if things don't fit. > > > > Thanks David, have squashed it and it is attached. I know others have offered suggestions - I would delete the master frame as you're not using it and the problem will disappear. I think for this document I would creat it with no master frame and put the frames onto the master page with suitable links. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 1 02:55:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137436 for opro ; Wed, 01 Nov 100 02:55:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973042177:10:06198:25; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:29:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104599; 1 Nov 2000 1:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23272 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:29:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA21776 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:05:25 GMT Received: from usercp71.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.100) [62.188.156.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13qflQ-0007Sd-00; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:04:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:50:03 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: The dreaded extra page (again) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 30 Oct 2000 (06:25:47), David Pilling wrote: > hard to say without seeing the document, assuming it is small or > can be stripped down send it to me by private email. > > the usual thing is that a master frame is coverered up, or > there's something embedded in a story. OPro will always try > to flow one page before giving up if things don't fit. > I've had this effect a few times, when using frames nearly as tall as the paper. The solution is to click the text flow button, which controls flow of text around the frame: set the flow to 'none', and the extra page disappears! Hope this helps, Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 1 13:30:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137450 for opro ; Wed, 01 Nov 100 13:30:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973067828:20:00092:15; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:37:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121303; 1 Nov 2000 8:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24186 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:33:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA24183 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:33:43 GMT Received: from userey39.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.11) [62.188.19.11] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13qtJl-0005CD-00; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:32:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:37:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvPro CD in Windows(NT) was: Re: Maillist textfiles Message-ID: <4a164cb460steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <80256989.003582DA.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> References: <80256989.003582DA.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <80256989.003582DA.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel>, wrote: > Probably, although it has been taken up by the Mac world Ah, yes, Apple ... recipients of the Bill Gates charity list. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 1 15:03:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137480 for opro ; Wed, 01 Nov 100 15:03:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973087008:20:22418:16; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:56:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111926; 1 Nov 2000 13:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24990 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:35:12 GMT Received: from ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [192.11.222.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24987 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:35:02 GMT Received: from ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02536 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from uk0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-150.lucent.com [135.86.160.150]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02510 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by uk0006exch001h.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4Y6PK7GV>; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:33:30 -0000 Message-ID: <475FF955A05DD411980D00508B6D5FB003F99A@en0033exch001u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: !Applets object limits Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:33:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've a nice old collection of Borders in fact more than I can put in the relevant directory that OvPro looks in now for its 'Impression-like' L-shaped borders. Hence I can't use (make available for selection) all the borders I have? > ---------- > From: David Briggs[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 25 October 2000 14:01 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: !Applets > > If you are using RISCOS earlier than 4.00 then may I suggest an > alternative > storage for the applets - raFS. This allows for long filenames and lots of > > directories. Prior to upgrading to 4.02 I had all my applets in an raFS > directory inside OvationPro and after editing OP's !Run & !Boot files to > point > to the raFS directory, OP was quite happy with this arrangement. I moved > the > existing Applet directory out of OP, created an Applet directory using > raFS and > then transferred the applets across. I then set up raFS to mount the > directory > on startup. I guess that the same technique would work for !Applets. > > Hope this helps. > > On 25 Oct 00, at 10:54, Alan H Partridge wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > In article <08c5e1124a.Bernard@bernard.veasey.argonet.co.uk>, > > Bernard Veasey wrote: > > > > > In message > > > "Dr. Don Lewis" wrote: > > > > > > I have found the !Applets program useful, but the influx of new (to > > > > me) applets with 2.60 runs into trouble with the old limits on items > > > > in a directory still being limited by !Applets. > > > > > > > > Don Lewis > > > > > If you mean your !OvnPro.Applets directory is full with 76 objects, > > > just create a !OvnPro.Applets2 directory and put some more in there. > > > > No, it's the Applets program itself which is the problem. I like to keep > > all applets in !Applets.ApplStore and use the Applets program to install > > the applets I actually use. > > > > If it's any help I seem to remember getting two errors when I reached > > the directory limit - one from Applets and one from the filer. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alan. > > > > -- > > Alan H Partridge, Physics Department, Oban High School > > mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk > > > > Remember what the dormouse said ... > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > David Briggs > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 1 15:03:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137483 for opro ; Wed, 01 Nov 100 15:03:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973090129:20:28904:14; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:48:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028204; 1 Nov 2000 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25225 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:31:39 GMT Received: from mserv1e.vianw.co.uk (mserv1e.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25222 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:31:37 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1e.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #37) id 13qytz-0000jp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:30:08 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:15:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:14:19 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Export from OVpro 2.6 Message-ID: <33f5a7164a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alf Chamings wrote: >It is probably my inexpert use of GhostScript but there is a > drawback in that the screen quality is no where near as good as the original, > but it is perfect when they print it out. > Unless Type 1 postscript fonts are used (and embedded in the postscript) the fonts will be embedded as 'Type 3'. This makes them look fairly awful on screen but, as you say, OK when printed out. If you use Type 1, or restrict yourself to one the 'Base 14' fonts which are part of any Adobe reader package and therefore don't need to be embedded (although you will need to map the riscos names to the Base 14 names in your printer driver) you will find it all looks perfect on screen as well. The base 14 fonts are basically Times (Trinity), Helvetica (Homerton), Zapf Dingabats (Selwyn). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 2 00:11:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137522 for opro ; Thu, 02 Nov 100 00:11:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973116930:20:09909:14; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:15:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009764; 1 Nov 2000 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26225 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:33:20 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26222 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:33:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13r5UC-0000Rc-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:31:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:06:41 GMT Message-Id: <137503@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: !Applets object limits X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've a nice old collection of Borders in fact more than I can put in the >relevant directory that OvPro looks in now for its 'Impression-like' >L-shaped borders. >Hence I can't use (make available for selection) all the borders I have? Maybe replace the 'Borders' folder with an archive of the same name. It won't be slow because they're loaded on start up. Or move to RISC OS 4 of course. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 2 13:46:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137546 for opro ; Thu, 02 Nov 100 13:46:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973156564:10:04583:16; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:16:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101715; 2 Nov 2000 9:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27562 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:11:36 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27558 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:11:31 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-29.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.95]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eA298IE04805 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:08:19 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:10:27 +1200 Subject: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <4a1715776dtim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <5fe4040e4a.Bernard@bernard.veasey.argonet.co.uk> References: <5fe4040e4a.Bernard@bernard.veasey.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Not exactly an OPro prob... our local Acorn printer here is trialling a new Xerox C410 laser. Put a cyan rectangle on the page, postscript it, and when it comes out of the printer it's a composite colour ie it's kinda muddy and through a loupe you can see bits of magenta and bits of yellow. The *same file* when sent to a NewGen Colorimage 2400 produces a pure cyan block. Start in Xara and print through the PC and it's pure cyan. Export that file to AW's and print from there - composite. The AW's file in OP - composite. Make a spot colour of 100% cyan - composite. He tells me he printed a photo through both the PC and Acorn sides, and to both the Xerox and NewGen, and all prints looked fine and were the same. I guess it was an RGB scan. So what's the Xerox doing to flat and spot cols? & can we beat it? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 2 13:47:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137550 for opro ; Thu, 02 Nov 100 13:47:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973159305:10:02044:45; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:01:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001765; 2 Nov 2000 10:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27753 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:00:39 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27750 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:00:37 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA10642 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:59:15 GMT Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:00:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Export from OVpro 2.6 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <33f5a7164a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 01 Nov, David Graddol wrote: > Alf Chamings wrote: > > >It is probably my inexpert use of GhostScript but there is a > > drawback in that the screen quality is no where near as good as the original, > > but it is perfect when they print it out. > > > > Unless Type 1 postscript fonts are used (and embedded in the > postscript) the fonts will be embedded as 'Type 3'. This makes > them look fairly awful on screen but, as you say, OK when printed > out. If you use Type 1, or restrict yourself to one the 'Base 14' > fonts which are part of any Adobe reader package and therefore > don't need to be embedded (although you will need to map the > riscos names to the Base 14 names in your printer driver) you > will find it all looks perfect on screen as well. The base 14 > fonts are basically Times (Trinity), Helvetica (Homerton), Zapf > Dingabats (Selwyn). > David, thanks for these pointers. I am still going wrong somewhere, though. When I run !FontPrint, it seems to confirm that a range of Acorn fonts are mapped to the appropriate equivalents. In documents I have tried recently I have only used Trinity and Homerton. Other than what it tells me in the !FontPrint window I have no idea what I have to do to map one font to another, so perhaps that is where I have gone wrong. The end result is that my pdfs prduced from OPro via the PScript printer driver and GhostScript are still difficult to read on screen. I would be most grateful if you would spell it out. I suppose this is slightly off topic but it is relevant to the wider use of OPro in the PC world. Regards Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 2 13:47:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137560 for opro ; Thu, 02 Nov 100 13:47:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973160256:20:22589:17; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:17:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022652; 2 Nov 2000 10:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27824 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:05:50 GMT Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27821 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:05:48 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13rHEQ-000657-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:04:26 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:02:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:01:47 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <9dac14174a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a1715776dtim@de-sig.co.nz> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tim King wrote: > Not exactly an OPro prob... > > our local Acorn printer here is trialling a new Xerox C410 laser. Put > a cyan rectangle on the page, postscript it, and when it comes out of > the printer it's a composite colour ie it's kinda muddy and through a > loupe you can see bits of magenta and bits of yellow. > > The *same file* when sent to a NewGen Colorimage 2400 produces a pure > cyan block. > > Start in Xara and print through the PC and it's pure cyan. Export that > file to AW's and print from there - composite. The AW's file in OP - > composite. > > Make a spot colour of 100% cyan - composite. > > He tells me he printed a photo through both the PC and Acorn sides, > and to both the Xerox and NewGen, and all prints looked fine and were > the same. I guess it was an RGB scan. > > So what's the Xerox doing to flat and spot cols? & can we beat it? > Could be the RGB problem. The acorn seems to output RGB composite postscript, so there is obviously some translation between colour models going on which could give rise to the problem you describe. The Xerox is probably being fed with RGB not CMYK and it may be that the way the NewGen handles RGB is different. This RGB problem affects black as well as colours. Black is likely to come out on all separations. Does anyone know what the current state-of-the-art workaround is for composite colour? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 2 13:47:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137562 for opro ; Thu, 02 Nov 100 13:47:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973163345:10:22553:14; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:09:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020975; 2 Nov 2000 11:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28126 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:01:58 GMT Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28123 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:01:56 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13rI6k-0002WZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:00:35 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:59:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:58:44 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Export from OVpro 2.6 Message-ID: <2ce319174a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alf Chamings wrote: > On Wed 01 Nov, David Graddol wrote: > > Alf Chamings wrote: > > > > >It is probably my inexpert use of GhostScript but there is a > > > drawback in that the screen quality is no where near as good as the original, > > > but it is perfect when they print it out. > > > > > > > Unless Type 1 postscript fonts are used (and embedded in the > > postscript) the fonts will be embedded as 'Type 3'. This makes > > them look fairly awful on screen but, as you say, OK when printed > > out. If you use Type 1, or restrict yourself to one the 'Base 14' > > fonts which are part of any Adobe reader package and therefore > > don't need to be embedded (although you will need to map the > > riscos names to the Base 14 names in your printer driver) you > > will find it all looks perfect on screen as well. The base 14 > > fonts are basically Times (Trinity), Helvetica (Homerton), Zapf > > Dingabats (Selwyn). > > > David, thanks for these pointers. I am still going wrong somewhere, though. > > When I run !FontPrint, it seems to confirm that a range of Acorn fonts are > mapped to the appropriate equivalents. In documents I have tried recently I > have only used Trinity and Homerton. > > Other than what it tells me in the !FontPrint window I have no idea what I > have to do to map one font to another, so perhaps that is where I have gone > wrong. The end result is that my pdfs prduced from OPro via the PScript > printer driver and GhostScript are still difficult to read on screen. > > I would be most grateful if you would spell it out. I suppose this is > slightly off topic but it is relevant to the wider use of OPro in the PC > world. > This may be a Ghostscript thing. I did just try a quick PDF using ps2pdf and my embedded font came out as Type 3 rather than Type 1. On the other hand, the fonts that were mapped did show up OK in Acrobat on the PC, and also looked OK on screen in RiScript. As far as I know, the mappings were the default ones for the printer driver: Trinity.Medium Map to Times-Roman etc Homerton.Medium Map to Helvetica etc For me this is very much on topic, by the way, - it is about how to interface OvPro with the rest of the world. If you want to mail me one of your PDFs I'll take a look at it in Acrobat on the PC - we have quite a few pre-press tools which will show exactly what is going on. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 3 13:45:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137623 for opro ; Fri, 03 Nov 100 13:45:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973227047:20:08777:14; Fri, 03 Nov 2000 04:50:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128858; 3 Nov 2000 4:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30163 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:48:56 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30160 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:48:51 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-55.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.121]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eA34jiE11150 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:45:44 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:18:26 +1200 Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <4a17791356tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <9dac14174a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <4a1715776dtim@de-sig.co.nz> <9dac14174a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <9dac14174a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol wrote: > > Could be the RGB problem. The acorn seems to output RGB composite > postscript, a ha. This is what I was fishing for, though I'm still not really clear. This means that there will always be a translation to CMYK *at the printer*? That his problem is that the Xerox is using a different translation table? But the RGB (presumably) scan printed the same on both machines. So they both managed the RGB/CMYK conversion the same. What was different with the cyan rectangle, then? I'm getting confused. > The Xerox is probably being fed with RGB not CMYK What's that 'probably', David? You mean it could contain CMYK too? I've just ps'd 2 rectangles, 1 100% cyan (named spot) & 1 100G 100B (named spot). Both of them rendered as 0 255 255 in the file. > Does anyone know what the current state-of-the-art workaround is for > composite colour? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 3 13:46:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137638 for opro ; Fri, 03 Nov 100 13:46:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973251514:10:05428:14; Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:38:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122718; 3 Nov 2000 11:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31275 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:32:00 GMT Received: from mserv1e.vianw.co.uk (mserv1e.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31272 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:31:58 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1e.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #37) id 13rf3G-0006Be-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:30:30 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:10:04 +0100 Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:09:37 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <46b89e174a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Nick Kaijaks" wrote: > Tim King and David Graddol exchanged: > > > Could be the RGB problem. The acorn seems to output RGB composite > > > postscript, > > > > > The Xerox is probably being fed with RGB not CMYK > > > > What's that 'probably', David? You mean it could contain CMYK too? > > I've just ps'd 2 rectangles, 1 100% cyan (named spot) & 1 100G 100B > > (named spot). Both of them rendered as 0 255 255 in the file. > > I think that the only way to get real composite CMYK into RISC OS PostScript > is by embedding in a CMYK EPS. I think that David Pilling's scanning software can generate these > from a real CMYK bitmap, although I have a nasty feeling that you're > probably still stuffed with vector artwork. I think you are right. Importing an artworks file and setting the OvPro picture settings to CMYK makes no difference: the image is exported as RGB. > > I discussed this issue privately with DP a while back, and we came to the > conclusion that another solution would be for OP to roll its own PS for all > images (which would also get around the occasional PS Level 2 problems with > some RIPs). However, that's not an entirely trival job, and there's a pretty > obvious argument that it should be fixed in the OS. However, that's not been > a priority for RISC OS Ltd... Of course, the problem is not just about images. What about OvPro text, lines, spot colours etc? These also export as RGB. How is this conversion to RGB handled by Risc OS, then? I have a complicated workaround for pages which we originated in OvPro and then found we needed to send to the bureau as Quark files. OvPro > PS > distiller (PC). The resultant PDF we were able to edit and switch the colour model using PitStop Pro plug-in (which alone costs more than OvPro itself, I might add). Then export as eps with preview and place in Quark on the Mac. Of course this is both long-winded and uses all three platforms but it might be worth noting that it is not unusual for pre-press work to involve this kind of manipulation. Particularly for files originated in Microsoft products which apparently always export in RGB. (Oh dear). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 3 13:46:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137639 for opro ; Fri, 03 Nov 100 13:46:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973245768:20:19852:17; Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:02:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018440; 3 Nov 2000 10:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30830 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:58:57 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30827 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:58:45 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eA39vLH04637 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:57:21 GMT Received: from bashley ([137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id eA39vKr02957 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:57:20 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: CMYK/composite Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:53:39 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4a17791356tim@de-sig.co.nz> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tim King and David Graddol exchanged: > > Could be the RGB problem. The acorn seems to output RGB composite > > postscript, > > > The Xerox is probably being fed with RGB not CMYK > > What's that 'probably', David? You mean it could contain CMYK too? > I've just ps'd 2 rectangles, 1 100% cyan (named spot) & 1 100G 100B > (named spot). Both of them rendered as 0 255 255 in the file. I think that the only way to get real composite CMYK into RISC OS PostScript is by embedding in a CMYK EPS. I think that David Pilling's scanning software can generate these from a real CMYK bitmap, although I have a nasty feeling that you're probably still stuffed with vector artwork. I discussed this issue privately with DP a while back, and we came to the conclusion that another solution would be for OP to roll its own PS for all images (which would also get around the occasional PS Level 2 problems with some RIPs). However, that's not an entirely trival job, and there's a pretty obvious argument that it should be fixed in the OS. However, that's not been a priority for RISC OS Ltd... Later, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 3 13:46:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137644 for opro ; Fri, 03 Nov 100 13:46:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973248413:20:05669:15; Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:46:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106676; 3 Nov 2000 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31013 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:42:34 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31010 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:42:18 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust241.tnt17.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.128.241] with SMTP for id LAA25097 (8.8.8/1.19); Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:40:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001601c04582$17ce1260$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: !FontPrint was:Re: Export from OVpro 2.6 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:37:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 02 Nov 2000, Alf Chamings wrote: > > When I run !FontPrint, it seems to confirm that a range of Acorn fonts are > mapped to the appropriate equivalents. In documents I have tried recently I > have only used Trinity and Homerton. > > Other than what it tells me in the !FontPrint window I have no idea what I > have to do to map one font to another, so perhaps that is where I have gone > wrong. The use of !FontPrint is limited. It is only useful in a kind of one-to-one situation between the composer of the document and the one who has the PostScript output device. The composer of the document lists the fonts used in the document in the window on the left and the exact names of the PostScript fonts -which has to be present in the output device- in the window on the right. Hence, the composer of the document must know, what the printing device supports. Every output device (PostScript printer or a virtual printer like Acrobat) supports the 4 weights of the 3 fontfamilies Times, Helvetica and Courier, or the Acorn equivalents Trinity, Homerton and Corpus. The 2 other supported fonts Dingbats and Symbol don't have to be the same as the Acorn fonts Selwyn and Sydney. The other PostScript fonts listed in !FontPrint are present in PostScript devices, which an extended set of fonts, resident or downloaded with Adobe Type manager. To make use of these PostScript fonts, you must edit the fonts in the left window of !FontPrint, when you use other fonts than listed as default. Example: if you use AvantG instead of Clare, you have to change that. With Acrobat Distiller comes the default set of 14 weights. Mapping to 12 of them is safe. The use of !Fontprint is none or less in this situation. It is even better to remove all the superfluous fonts. However, it can be used to map 'unexpected, not present fonts in documents, that are very difficult to remove' to Courier. This action makes such fonts harmless. Hence, to produce small, reliable PDF documents it is best to restrict the fonts used to Trinity, Homerton and Corpus. If Dingbats is needed, it is best to converts this glyphs to paths. When you want more and better displayed fonts in the PDF files, you have to use RISC OS fonts, that contain a interpreted type1 font inside the fontdirectory. This type1 gets automatically embedded in the PostScript file, when you print your document. How to obtain such fonts? There is the commercial EFF Professional font collection. Only disadvantage is the deviant encoding of EFF fonts, what makes it difficult to use a mixture of standard RISC OS fonts and EFF fonts in cases you want to change the used fonts. Or -if you have PC format Type1's- you can convert these with !T1toFont with the option 'keep PostScript' set to on. This produces a RISC OS fontdirectory, that contains also the needed interpreted Type1. Disadvantage is the lower quality of the produced RISC OS font. This isn't important in case of producing a PostScript document. Using fonts with an appropriate Type1 in the fontdirectory (not needed for Trinity, Homerton and Corpus) results in a PostScript file with Type1s embedded. To behold these fonts in a PDF/Acrobat file, !RiScript can't be used. I don't know about GhostScripts ps2pdf capacibility to keep the embedded fonts in the PDF file. Acrobat Distiller (with the option set to embed the fonts also in the PDF file) can use these fonts, which results in good screen dispaly in Reader or Exchange. The RISC OS PostScript file, with embedded Type1's (or even with converted Type3's), can also be imported in CorelDRAW9 as Interpreted PostScript. Corel offers you a window, where you can substitute/replace the fonts named in the document with installed Truetypes. Multipage documents aren't a problem. It is obvious, that from CorelDRAW there is a wealth of export filters to other Windows formats based on Truetypes. Of course, this is all in general. Every document and every conversion has its specific possible troubles. And there is always the way-out by producing all kinds of bitmap-based output of a document. I think the cross-platform compatibility is greater than expected at first sight. For fonts/typefaces a utility to map RISC OS fonts to/from TrueType would be a big step forward. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 3 13:46:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137647 for opro ; Fri, 03 Nov 100 13:46:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973250922:20:18617:15; Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:28:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017664; 3 Nov 2000 11:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31197 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:22:04 GMT Received: from gold.mcis.singnet.com.sg (gold.singnet.com.sg [165.21.74.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31194 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:21:53 GMT Received: from mail pickup service by gold.mcis.singnet.com.sg with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:17:09 +0800 Received: from mx17.singnet.com.sg ([165.21.74.117]) by chromium.mcis.singnet.com.sg with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.387.38); Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:51:22 +0800 Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk (omega.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.3]) by mx17.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09088 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:54:13 +0800 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31013 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:42:34 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31010 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:42:18 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust241.tnt17.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.128.241] with SMTP for id LAA25097 (8.8.8/1.19); Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:40:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001601c04582$17ce1260$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: !FontPrint was:Re: Export from OVpro 2.6 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:37:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-maillist: ovationpro Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 02 Nov 2000, Alf Chamings wrote: > > When I run !FontPrint, it seems to confirm that a range of Acorn fonts are > mapped to the appropriate equivalents. In documents I have tried recently I > have only used Trinity and Homerton. > > Other than what it tells me in the !FontPrint window I have no idea what I > have to do to map one font to another, so perhaps that is where I have gone > wrong. The use of !FontPrint is limited. It is only useful in a kind of one-to-one situation between the composer of the document and the one who has the PostScript output device. The composer of the document lists the fonts used in the document in the window on the left and the exact names of the PostScript fonts -which has to be present in the output device- in the window on the right. Hence, the composer of the document must know, what the printing device supports. Every output device (PostScript printer or a virtual printer like Acrobat) supports the 4 weights of the 3 fontfamilies Times, Helvetica and Courier, or the Acorn equivalents Trinity, Homerton and Corpus. The 2 other supported fonts Dingbats and Symbol don't have to be the same as the Acorn fonts Selwyn and Sydney. The other PostScript fonts listed in !FontPrint are present in PostScript devices, which an extended set of fonts, resident or downloaded with Adobe Type manager. To make use of these PostScript fonts, you must edit the fonts in the left window of !FontPrint, when you use other fonts than listed as default. Example: if you use AvantG instead of Clare, you have to change that. With Acrobat Distiller comes the default set of 14 weights. Mapping to 12 of them is safe. The use of !Fontprint is none or less in this situation. It is even better to remove all the superfluous fonts. However, it can be used to map 'unexpected, not present fonts in documents, that are very difficult to remove' to Courier. This action makes such fonts harmless. Hence, to produce small, reliable PDF documents it is best to restrict the fonts used to Trinity, Homerton and Corpus. If Dingbats is needed, it is best to converts this glyphs to paths. When you want more and better displayed fonts in the PDF files, you have to use RISC OS fonts, that contain a interpreted type1 font inside the fontdirectory. This type1 gets automatically embedded in the PostScript file, when you print your document. How to obtain such fonts? There is the commercial EFF Professional font collection. Only disadvantage is the deviant encoding of EFF fonts, what makes it difficult to use a mixture of standard RISC OS fonts and EFF fonts in cases you want to change the used fonts. Or -if you have PC format Type1's- you can convert these with !T1toFont with the option 'keep PostScript' set to on. This produces a RISC OS fontdirectory, that contains also the needed interpreted Type1. Disadvantage is the lower quality of the produced RISC OS font. This isn't important in case of producing a PostScript document. Using fonts with an appropriate Type1 in the fontdirectory (not needed for Trinity, Homerton and Corpus) results in a PostScript file with Type1s embedded. To behold these fonts in a PDF/Acrobat file, !RiScript can't be used. I don't know about GhostScripts ps2pdf capacibility to keep the embedded fonts in the PDF file. Acrobat Distiller (with the option set to embed the fonts also in the PDF file) can use these fonts, which results in good screen dispaly in Reader or Exchange. The RISC OS PostScript file, with embedded Type1's (or even with converted Type3's), can also be imported in CorelDRAW9 as Interpreted PostScript. Corel offers you a window, where you can substitute/replace the fonts named in the document with installed Truetypes. Multipage documents aren't a problem. It is obvious, that from CorelDRAW there is a wealth of export filters to other Windows formats based on Truetypes. Of course, this is all in general. Every document and every conversion has its specific possible troubles. And there is always the way-out by producing all kinds of bitmap-based output of a document. I think the cross-platform compatibility is greater than expected at first sight. For fonts/typefaces a utility to map RISC OS fonts to/from TrueType would be a big step forward. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 3 22:56:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137679 for opro ; Fri, 03 Nov 100 22:56:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973285579:10:17851:14; Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:06:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123459; 3 Nov 2000 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32572 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:06:18 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32569 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:06:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13ro1A-000PIz-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:04:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:27:58 GMT Message-Id: <137673@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The situation is that a program printing (legally) under RISC OS can only output RGB colours, thats because RGB is all thats supported and when you print you pretend to be rendering to the screen anyway. The only situations where you can get PS CMYK output from OP are (a) doing separations (b) if you have an EPS file with CMYK data in it and (c) if you have a CMYK bit map (sprite) and have the latest EPS applet present. As was discussed in the early Summer, Mike Williams talked me into supporting rendering CMYK bit maps direct (as Impression does), and it just happens to be easier to put this code in the EPS applet. OK - it is confusing that the EPS applet should affect rendering of bit maps. David Pilling's scanning software 1.15 (unreleased) can load CMYK sprites and save CMYK EPS. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 3 22:56:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137680 for opro ; Fri, 03 Nov 100 22:56:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973285451:20:09240:14; Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:04:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009100; 3 Nov 2000 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32525 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:02:00 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32522 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:01:57 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup037.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.199]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23647 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:01:23 GMT Message-ID: <003101c045d9$16f74ee0$2194a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:43:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have followed this thread with interest. In one sense, on platforms like the Mac RGB to CMYK conversion is not an issue - it doesn't happen. For press work everything in Pagemaker, Quark etc has to be set in CMYK, and/or converted into CMYK externally before importing into the document. The fact that the likes of Ovation Pro will convert RGB colours to CMYK separations automatically is a bonus most Mac users would be surprised to encounter. The issues, I think, are twofold, getting good RGB to CMYK conversion where needed, and getting Ovation Pro to output imported CMYK images correctly. The former is down to David Pilling's scanning software, Photodesk and the like and while it can be done I do not have complete faith in the outcome. As far as Ovation Pro is concerned, I believe it will deal correctly with EPS files containg CMYK artwork, and also with imported CMYK sprites using the latest EPS applet. Perhaps David Pilling would confirm this. In work I have done in recent years I would say that I have achieved better results from CMYK scans supplied by a bureau (as TIFFs and converted) than with my own RGB scans then converted to CMYK. But that might just be my scanner. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 4 13:26:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137709 for opro ; Sat, 04 Nov 100 13:26:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973306733:20:10121:15; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 02:58:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121981; 4 Nov 2000 2:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00928 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 01:57:58 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00920 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 01:57:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13rtVT-000DJ3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 02:56:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 02:25:33 GMT Message-Id: <137693@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro A few more thoughts. You can also get composite CMYK output using Turbo drivers and OPro or Impression. Thats because they do 4 passes and the rendering program understands this. I also believe some of the Spacetech (Photodesk) drivers can spot CMYK sprites and render them specially. I've heard it said there will a new printer driver system from ROSL which may make implementing CMYK output easier. Not sure how realistic that report is though. Finally I wonder if one could glue the PS separations output together with some sort of post processor to get CMYK composite. Or maybe OPro could render the page 4 times with some PS tickytacky thrown in to make it work - how desperate are you... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 4 13:27:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137731 for opro ; Sat, 04 Nov 100 13:27:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973327067:20:10923:14; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:37:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124312; 4 Nov 2000 8:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01852 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 07:35:46 GMT Received: from mserv1d.vianw.co.uk (mserv1d.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.96]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01848 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 07:35:42 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.22] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1d.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #36) id 13rymM-0001PG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:34:22 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:10:25 +0100 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:09:31 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <5e1112184a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <003101c045d9$16f74ee0$2194a8c2@akalat> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I was hoping you would dive in to this discusison, Mike. "Mike Williams" wrote: > I have followed this thread with interest. In one sense, on platforms like > the Mac RGB to CMYK conversion is not an issue - it doesn't happen. For > press work everything in Pagemaker, Quark etc has to be set in CMYK, and/or > converted into CMYK externally before importing into the document. The fact > that the likes of Ovation Pro will convert RGB colours to CMYK separations > automatically is a bonus most Mac users would be surprised to > encounter. Except that programs on the Mac - like photoshop - which are used for generating both web graphics and press work - do convert between colour models. So it's a bit sweeping to say that RGB conversion is not an issue on the Mac. > > The issues, I think, are twofold, getting good RGB to CMYK conversion where > needed, Are there respects in which you think OvPro could do better in its RGB to CMYK conversion? Is this an issue about profiles and ink management? > and getting Ovation Pro to output imported CMYK images > correctly. The former is down to David Pilling's scanning software, Photodesk and the > like and while it can be done I do not have complete faith in the > outcome. Except that focusing on the handling of images still leaves the problem of OvPro itself. All the text and line objects are output as RGB postscript - it's not just a problem with the images. So what's the point of having CMYK EPS embedded in a postscript stream which is RGB? > As far as Ovation Pro is concerned, I believe it will deal correctly with > EPS files containg CMYK artwork, and also with imported CMYK sprites using > the latest EPS applet. Perhaps David Pilling would confirm this. > > In work I have done in recent years I would say that I have achieved better > results from CMYK scans supplied by a bureau (as TIFFs and converted) than > with my own RGB scans then converted to CMYK. But that might just be my > scanner. I would have thought the scanner had quite a lot to do with it. There seems to be a big difference between the high-end scanners used by bureau and the lower cost RGB scanners. -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 4 13:27:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137732 for opro ; Sat, 04 Nov 100 13:27:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973327086:20:12438:14; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:38:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012315; 4 Nov 2000 8:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01851 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 07:35:46 GMT Received: from mserv1d.vianw.co.uk (mserv1d.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.96]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01844 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 07:35:42 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.22] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1d.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #36) id 13rymL-0001PG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:34:21 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:08:21 +0100 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:07:39 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <99e511184a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <137693@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > A few more thoughts. > > You can also get composite CMYK output using Turbo drivers and OPro or > Impression. Thats because they do 4 passes and the rendering program > understands this. I'd forgotten about that. Perhaps I'll experiment when I get a chance. > > Finally I wonder if one could glue the PS separations output together > with some sort of post processor to get CMYK composite. Or maybe OPro > could render the page 4 times with some PS tickytacky thrown in to > make it work - how desperate are you... One of the issues for me is a trend in the printing industry towards composite workflows. Separation, and things such as trapping, are increasingly handled by the RIP driving the imagesetter/platemaker rather than the application program. This means that submitting film separations looks increasingly like a 'legacy' approach (they can do it but it might take longer and cost more), and submitting pre-separated postscript isn't much better (although I beleive some printers have clever software which will merge the separations again). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 4 13:27:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137734 for opro ; Sat, 04 Nov 100 13:27:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973333708:20:14083:14; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 10:28:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114447; 4 Nov 2000 10:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02265 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:26:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02262 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:26:20 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13s0VO-0003nJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 10:24:58 +0000 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:13:57 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: CMYK/composite To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <003101c045d9$16f74ee0$2194a8c2@akalat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Fri 03 Nov, Mike Williams wrote: > I have followed this thread with interest. In one sense, on platforms like > the Mac RGB to CMYK conversion is not an issue - it doesn't happen. For > press work everything in Pagemaker, Quark etc has to be set in CMYK, and/or > converted into CMYK externally before importing into the document. The fact > that the likes of Ovation Pro will convert RGB colours to CMYK separations > automatically is a bonus most Mac users would be surprised to encounter. > > The issues, I think, are twofold, getting good RGB to CMYK conversion where > needed, and getting Ovation Pro to output imported CMYK images correctly. > The former is down to David Pilling's scanning software, Photodesk and the like and while it can > be done I do not have complete faith in the outcome. > > As far as Ovation Pro is concerned, I believe it will deal correctly with > EPS files containg CMYK artwork, and also with imported CMYK sprites using > the latest EPS applet. Perhaps David Pilling would confirm this. > > In work I have done in recent years I would say that I have achieved better > results from CMYK scans supplied by a bureau (as TIFFs and converted) than > with my own RGB scans then converted to CMYK. But that might just be my > scanner. I've seen discussions on comp.publish.prepress and elsewhere where you see that DTP colour control etc is done either by the CMYK numbers of the output device (from experience and supported by good densito/spectrometre readings) or by using RGB up to the last stage and Colorsync or ICM colourcontrol to make the last conversion with the right dedicated ICC profiles for different output devices. The last route is gaining ground fast. The OS or at least the application and printer driver has to support ICC profiles. Lots of hardware and software available to accompany or refine that process. I'm using some of the applications and the hardware. I don't think that there is any envy by Mac users and for that matter by Wintel users about the RGB > CMYK conversions on an RO machine. They have it too and also in the applications that deliver the images to the DTP programs mentioned above. But the main thing is: it is also far superior to what the RO platform is capable of. To go the CMYK route is returning to what used to be practice in DTP work 5 years ago. The introduction of an ICC system in the OS or in Ovation is what is needed and with that a choice of colour spaces to work in. I'm afraid that what RO uses resembles sRGB on other platforms, hardly a space to use for colour control or manipulation and it barely can fit the CMYK space for conversions. Not to mention the embedded colour profiles in EPS files that will not be seen by the RO user at all. David may have quite a tough job to get this all implanted in his Windows version of OP. And most of the DTP, bitmap and vector programs on Wintels have that meanwhile. CorelDraw, Ventura and Framemaker will have that for Linux too, though not on OS level yet. That the CMYK scans have been better in your work flow is most likely the result of a 'good film profile RGB > LAB > press profile CMYK route' the image shop is using. Add that to a possibly better scanner quality. If you do no other image manipulation and the press works like the profile expected it is all right. If the image has to be manipulated (resampled, colour changes etc) and the specs of the output device is not known or has a wider gamut than the traditional CMYK you would prefer to use an RGB image with a wide gamut and do the conversion to CMYK+++ as late as possible and with a device dedicated profile. That is if the colour space you are working in allows it. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 4 16:44:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137748 for opro ; Sat, 04 Nov 100 16:44:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973353916:20:16156:14; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:05:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106831; 4 Nov 2000 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03126 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:04:47 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03123 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:04:44 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup052.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.214]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14156 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:04:17 GMT Message-ID: <005901c04677$1da0bda0$2194a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <5e1112184a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:33:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >> I have followed this thread with interest. In one sense, on platforms like >> the Mac RGB to CMYK conversion is not an issue - it doesn't happen. For >> press work everything in Pagemaker, Quark etc has to be set in CMYK, and/or >> converted into CMYK externally before importing into the document. The fact >> that the likes of Ovation Pro will convert RGB colours to CMYK separations >> automatically is a bonus most Mac users would be surprised to >> encounter. > >Except that programs on the Mac - like photoshop - which are used >for generating both web graphics and press work - do convert >between colour models. So it's a bit sweeping to say that RGB >conversion is not an issue on the Mac. In the context of this being an Ovation Pro newsgroup, I was comparing dtp experiences between Mac OS and RISC OS. On the Mac most designers I know of work in CMYK and import CMYK artwork. Of course, in Photoshop or similar there is a need to comvert from RGB to CMYK as there is with Photodesk under RISC OS. My impression is that Photoshop copes with this better than Photodesk. >Except that focusing on the handling of images still leaves the >problem of OvPro itself. All the text and line objects are output >as RGB postscript - it's not just a problem with the images. So >what's the point of having CMYK EPS embedded in a postscript >stream which is RGB? So if you define lines or borders in CMYK in Ovation Pro (say 100% K) are you implying that they are still output as RGB separating into all four of CMYK later? I had always assumed that any colours defined in CMYK in Ovation Pro were output as CMYK. It was certainly true in Impression. As far as I can recall View Separations in Ovn Pro produces expected results (usually). Subjectively, Ovn Pro probably could handle RGB to CMYK better. I think a lot is to do with the way in which tints of black are converted, but also with the different gamuts of RGB and CMYK. Whether we should expect Ovn Pro to do better is a different issue. As I said this is not something Quark can handle on a Mac. While I can comment on my experiences in this area I do not have the knowledge to suggest how matters could be improved. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 4 16:44:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137750 for opro ; Sat, 04 Nov 100 16:44:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973349506:10:28070:14; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 14:51:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027181; 4 Nov 2000 14:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02889 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:49:11 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02881 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:49:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13s4bk-000HQ8-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:47:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 13:38:43 GMT Message-Id: <137737@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >David may have quite a tough job to get this all implanted in his Windows >version of OP. Another vote for me retiring 8-) Over the years there's been a lot of chat about implementinng colorsync or ICC profiles for RISC OS. We discussed it right at the start of OPro. Various groups have come along and promised they were working on it - including Acorn and ROSL. And of course it has all come to naught. It has been pointed out to me that there are open source implementations of these colour systems, so a port to RISC OS would not be too big a task. However you hit the usual problem, just how many people will use this if it is done. And if I add it to OP will the problem not just move elsewhere like to printers. Mac users will just find another excuse - if you like. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 6 16:09:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137757 for opro ; Mon, 06 Nov 100 16:09:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973357523:20:03343:14; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:05:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003033; 4 Nov 2000 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03345 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:03:45 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03337 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:03:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13s6hu-000Od2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:02:18 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:46:10 GMT Message-Id: <137751@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So if you define lines or borders in CMYK in Ovation Pro (say 100% K) are >you implying that they are still output as RGB separating into all four of >CMYK later? I had always assumed that any colours defined in CMYK in Ovation >Pro were output as CMYK. As I've said above, true CMYK output is only possible in certain special situations - for lines or borders they would be rendering separations or rendering to a Turbo driver. If you render to composite PS they will be converted to RGB as they have to be (*because RISC OS only supports the RGB colour model*) As far as I know the same applies to Impression - tell me if I'm wrong. Although as with CMYK bit maps it would be possible to fiddle the output PS file to set the colours correctly. Presumeably you go on with such fiddling until you're producing your own PS and none of the Acorn stuff is left. The problem (as has just been pointed out) with a piecemeal approach is that colours in one part of the document won't match those in another. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 6 16:09:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137758 for opro ; Mon, 06 Nov 100 16:09:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973357455:10:12412:14; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:04:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106153; 4 Nov 2000 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03346 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:03:45 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03339 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:03:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13s6hy-000Od2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:02:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:55:34 GMT Message-Id: <137755@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page Palette Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've just installed the page palette applet (in OvnPro 2.60), and wondered >if there is a way to stop it opening it's window when you open a blank >document. I believe you go to !PagePal.Library.PagePal and change int pagepal_toolbox = 1; to int pagepal_toolbox = 0; resave, rerun. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 6 16:09:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137759 for opro ; Mon, 06 Nov 100 16:09:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973357588:20:08421:14; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:06:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103944; 4 Nov 2000 17:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03342 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:03:42 GMT Received: from pdbs1-uk0.x-stream.co.uk (pmail1-uk0.x-stream.co.uk [212.139.128.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA02536 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:53:46 GMT Received: (qmail 8219 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2000 11:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO henry) (212.139.34.221) by smtp.x-stream.co.uk with SMTP; 4 Nov 2000 11:51:46 -0000 Message-ID: <009401c04655$acfe8620$dd228bd4@henry> From: "Henry Morgan" To: Subject: Page Palette Applet Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:22:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just installed the page palette applet (in OvnPro 2.60), and wondered if there is a way to stop it opening it's window when you open a blank document. I have tried closing the palette and then re-saving the default document & the Macros, but when I open a window the page palette window still opens... Any suggestions much appreciated! -- Henry Morgan mailto:henry.morgan@ic.ac.uk WWW: http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ham98/ ** Views stated are mine, and mine only ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 6 16:09:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137760 for opro ; Mon, 06 Nov 100 16:09:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973359401:10:08121:14; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:36:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008004; 4 Nov 2000 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03665 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:35:49 GMT Received: from mserv1d.vianw.co.uk (mserv1d.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.96]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03662 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:35:47 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.21] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1d.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #36) id 13s7D0-0005NP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:34:26 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:32:05 +0100 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:31:41 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <378945184a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <005901c04677$1da0bda0$2194a8c2@akalat> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Mike Williams" wrote: > So if you define lines or borders in CMYK in Ovation Pro (say 100% K) are > you implying that they are still output as RGB separating into all four of > CMYK later? I had always assumed that any colours defined in CMYK in Ovation > Pro were output as CMYK. It was certainly true in Impression. As far as I > can recall View Separations in Ovn Pro produces expected results (usually). Yes, OvPro will separate correctly, but then it will for images as well. So if you 'view separations' it looks fine. But if you output composite postscript then you are hit by the same RGB problem. Whether RGB black separates to a rich black or 100%K or whatever will depend on the software ultimately doing the CMYK conversion. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 6 16:09:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137761 for opro ; Mon, 06 Nov 100 16:09:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973368281:20:05433:15; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 20:04:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005319; 4 Nov 2000 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04049 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:03:11 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04046 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:03:09 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup010.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.42]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17871 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:02:44 GMT Message-ID: <007801c04698$678f6d00$2194a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <378945184a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:49:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yes, OvPro will separate correctly, but then it will for images >as well. So if you 'view separations' it looks fine. But if you >output composite postscript then you are hit by the same RGB >problem. Whether RGB black separates to a rich black or 100%K or >whatever will depend on the software ultimately doing the CMYK >conversion. Of course - I think I started confusing myself in my previous posting regarding composite and separated PostScript. In that sense I take back what I said, as it really applies to separated output, not composite. Be interesting to know whether Impression does this properly for vector and line work. It certainly ouputs CMYK sprites correctly for composite PostScript. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 6 16:10:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137779 for opro ; Mon, 06 Nov 100 16:10:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973421428:20:23921:14; Sun, 05 Nov 2000 10:50:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113449; 5 Nov 2000 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05953 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:46:42 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05950 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:46:39 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13sNId-00064Q-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 05 Nov 2000 10:45:19 +0000 Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:44:33 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: CMYK/composite To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <137737@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 04 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >David may have quite a tough job to get this all implanted in his Windows > >version of OP. > > Another vote for me retiring 8-) It will be a tough job like writing a DTP program for Windows :-) ICM in Windows was developed in a slow rate with a lot of problems, in fact the first version that really worked was 98SE but it is still not at the Mac level. Conflicts between the application's own colour management and that of the OS are still there. > Over the years there's been a lot of chat about implementinng colorsync or > ICC profiles for RISC OS. We discussed it right at the start of OPro. > Various groups have come along and promised they were working on it - > including Acorn and ROSL. And of course it has all come to naught. > > It has been pointed out to me that there are open source implementations of > these colour systems, so a port to RISC OS would not be too big a task. Yes, there must be open sources if it was just from the international committee itself. What wonders me is why it takes so long for getting the colour management for Linux though. Epson drivers like Gimp-print and the PS drivers are at Windows quality now but still lack the ICC part. They know where to find the sources usually. > However you hit the usual problem, just how many people will use this if > it is done. And if I add it to OP will the problem not just move elsewhere > like to printers. Mac users will just find another excuse - if you like. Mac and Windows users use it for there composite output whether they know it or not. Monitor profiles are installed, printer drivers use hidden profiles for the defaults. Anyone going further has at least the tools to choose other profiles where appropriate. And yes, the learning curve can be steep when custom solutions are needed. But it is all there from the cheapest CorelDraw9 Office upgrade to the RIPs with the profile creators + hardware integrated. And prices are coming down. If there was one path from monitor calibration > scanning > DTP > Postscript output that had that control then it could be done but probably only with existing profiles or custom profiles made on another system. It isn't RO like but I think too much has to be done on bitmap format / colour spaces / interfaces to make it an integrated part of the OS. And in Mac and Windows environments there is a real industry on colour management involved as well. So rewriting OP for Windows and adding ICC to it will be a better idea. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 6 21:33:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137841 for opro ; Mon, 06 Nov 100 21:33:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973540862:20:07562:15; Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:01:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120116; 6 Nov 2000 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10104 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:55:48 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10101 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:55:46 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-30.access.ch [212.161.130.158]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12315 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 20:54:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:38:01 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Ovation Pro at the show... To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <135987@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, I read your message minutes before leaving for GB. > David Holden (APDL) will be selling OP at the show this weekend. > Point being there is a possibility for anyone who wants to demo it > to do so on his stand. There was indeed not a lot of room, nor very much interest. I had one person at APDL's stand. Things were a bit better downstairs at the RiscOs stand. Several computers at times not manned gave me the possibillty to give some demo's/advice to a handful of persons. Even if using an older version I convinced at least 3 persons how good OvPro is and know of 2 that they bought the program. David Holden told me he sold 14 OvPro programs. I did not manage to get data on other sales at the show, although clearly present. David Holden was rather satisfied about the show. I gave him my printed copy of the Index file. Greetings, Jan-Maarten -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 01:59:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137957 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 01:58:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973643864:10:15155:14; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 00:37:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112368; 8 Nov 2000 0:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13593 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:20:06 GMT Received: from twingo.tiscalinet.it (twingo.tiscalinet.it [195.130.224.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13580 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:20:00 GMT Received: from focus.graphics.tiscalinet.it (62.10.34.46) by twingo.tiscalinet.it; 8 Nov 2000 01:12:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 01:06:16 GMT From: Paolo Rossi To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <65a9fa194a.prossi@azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it> References: <137673@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <137673@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <137673@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > The situation is that a program printing (legally) under RISC OS can only > output RGB colours, thats because RGB is all thats supported and when you > print you pretend to be rendering to the screen anyway. > > The only situations where you can get PS CMYK output from OP are (a) doing > separations (b) if you have an EPS file with CMYK data in it and (c) if you > have a CMYK bit map (sprite) and have the latest EPS applet present. > > As was discussed in the early Summer, Mike Williams talked me into supporting > rendering CMYK bit maps direct (as Impression does), and it just happens > to be easier to put this code in the EPS applet. OK - it is confusing that > the EPS applet should affect rendering of bit maps. > > David Pilling's scanning software 1.15 (unreleased) can load CMYK sprites and save CMYK EPS. > What about adopting Truism 2 from Cerilica? It seems wonderful, it works on RISC OS and... it's used by Vantage! When OP will be able to load Vantage files, it will have to correct them in the same way as Vantage does. So what better than using the same CMS? Cheers -- Paolo Rossi -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 13:41:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137964 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 13:41:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973652309:20:28846:15; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 02:58:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109266; 8 Nov 2000 2:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13979 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 01:56:22 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13976 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 01:56:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13tLO8-000Dh6-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 02:55:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 02:06:58 GMT Message-Id: <137961@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What about adopting Truism 2 from Cerilica? It seems wonderful, it works >on RISC OS and... it's used by Vantage! When OP will be able to load >Vantage files, it will have to correct them in the same way as Vantage >does. So what better than using the same CMS? I'm not enough in touch to know what plans Cerilica have. Presumeably they currently have enough to do. If a rendering system appears for Vantage files I hope to implemennt it. It would be nice to be able to use Truism in OPro, apart from the question of if this is the sort of thing Cerilica want to encourage, would it actually help? Because its not a world standard, it doesn't run on Mac's... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 13:42:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137970 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 13:42:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973688581:10:05026:17; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 13:03:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003702; 8 Nov 2000 13:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15135 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:00:31 GMT Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [32.97.166.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15132 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:00:29 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.246.16]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000110812590620105g4294e>; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:59:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:55:20 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: CMYK/composite To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 04 Nov, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > I've seen discussions on comp.publish.prepress and elsewhere where you > see that DTP colour control etc is done either by the CMYK numbers of > the output device (from experience and supported by good > densito/spectrometre readings) or by using RGB up to the last stage > and Colorsync or ICM colourcontrol to make the last conversion with > the right dedicated ICC profiles for different output devices. The > last route is gaining ground fast. The OS or at least the application > and printer driver has to support ICC profiles. Lots of hardware and > software available to accompany or refine that process. I'm using some > of the applications and the hardware. > Does the new Vantage 'Trueism' have any relevance in this context? James -- ---------------- It is said the Future of Mankind rests on the discovery of the shorthand for 'dot'... ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 13:42:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137971 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 13:42:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973688679:10:08991:14; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 13:04:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123584; 8 Nov 2000 13:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15164 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:01:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15160 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:01:44 GMT Received: from userfa08.uk.uudial.com (bl83.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.19.178] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13tUpz-0000e4-00; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:00:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew Green To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 12:56:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <4a1a3baf59andrew@article7.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <137961@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <137961@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <137961@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > If a rendering system appears for Vantage files I hope to implemennt it. As the demonstrators of Vantage at the various shows (myself included) were told to pass on, on Vantage's 1.00 release, a free extended-drawfile module will be made available such that any application that uses the normal RISC OS rendering system[1] will be able to render Vantage drawfiles. > It would be nice to be able to use Truism in OPro, apart from the > question of if this is the sort of thing Cerilica want to encourage, > would it actually help? Because its not a world standard, it doesn't > run on Mac's... Their plans are to market the Truism technology outside of the RISC OS market. Vantage is the bonus drawing application that arises from that technology. Truism is *excellent* at RGB->Inkset translation, particularly for the screen, but AFAIK wouldn't help a great deal for the specific problem of generating kosher CMYK composite PostScript files. Including parts of the Trusim engine in both OPro and Photodesk would, IMO, be a *major* advantage to an integrated RISC OS based publishing platform -- but something major would still have to be done with the printer drivers. To an extent, Vantage itself can get away with this, as being a drawing package only, as long as it can reliably generate graphics *files* in CMYK (or hexachrome or whatever), it's done its job. Apologies for any off-topic content in all that! =o) Cheers, Andrew. [1]: This excludes Impression, which uses its own proprietary drawfile renderer. -- Andrew Green Article Seven: Automatic Internet andrew@article7.co.uk -- http://www.article7.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 13:42:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137977 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 13:42:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973688579:20:26124:14; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 13:02:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102981; 8 Nov 2000 13:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15131 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:00:28 GMT Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [32.97.166.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15127 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:00:26 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.246.16]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000110812590320105g4293e>; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:59:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:18:17 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: RE: CMYK/composite To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <46b89e174a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 03 Nov, David Graddol wrote: [snip] Focusing on this bit: > I have a complicated workaround for pages which we originated in OvPro > and then found we needed to send to the bureau as Quark files. OvPro > > PS > distiller (PC). The resultant PDF we were able to edit and switch > the colour model using PitStop Pro plug-in This sounds like a promising route for my large OvPro document. Does it mean the resulting Quark file is *fully* editable, text and graphics? That would have some useful implications for corrections and additions later. James -- ---------------- It is said the Future of Mankind rests on the discovery of the shorthand for 'dot'... ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 17:36:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137989 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 17:36:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973693189:20:08773:15; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:19:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112446; 8 Nov 2000 14:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15576 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:11:21 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15573 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:11:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13tVvI-000NYS-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:09:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:02:23 GMT Message-Id: <137984@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK/composite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >application that uses the normal RISC OS rendering system[1] will be >able to render Vantage drawfiles. >[1]: This excludes Impression, which uses its own proprietary drawfile >renderer. As does OPro, which is why it can do things like image process or separate Draw files. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 17:36:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA137992 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 17:36:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973694489:20:13959:15; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:41:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128585; 8 Nov 2000 14:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15733 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:35:49 GMT Received: from mserv1e.vianw.co.uk (mserv1e.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15730 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:35:47 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1e.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #37) id 13tWIz-0001kn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:34:25 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:09:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:08:19 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: CMYK/composite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R James White wrote: > On Fri 03 Nov, David Graddol wrote: > > [snip] > > Focusing on this bit: > > > I have a complicated workaround for pages which we originated in OvPro > > and then found we needed to send to the bureau as Quark files. OvPro > > > PS > distiller (PC). The resultant PDF we were able to edit and switch > > the colour model using PitStop Pro plug-in > > This sounds like a promising route for my large OvPro document. Does it > mean the resulting Quark file is *fully* editable, text and graphics? > > That would have some useful implications for corrections and additions > later. > Unfortunately very little can be done by way of editing in Quark since all that is imported into Quark is an eps file. So it's mainly down to positioning etc. What you see in Quark is just the lo res bitmap preview. Some minor editing can be done in the PDF in Acrobat, but you really need one of the specialist plug-ins and then the expense mounts up. I use this route when someone demands a Quark file. It has been very useful for creating artwork for CD Inlays etc. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 21:31:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138014 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 21:31:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973712950:20:01153:18; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:49:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000143; 8 Nov 2000 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16374 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:33:13 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15823 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:50:05 GMT Received: from modem-93.angrenost.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.112.221] helo=riscpc) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13tWWj-0005Fp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:48:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:48:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <4a1a45eb45richard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <137984@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <137984@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have just had a long conversation with Nick (of Cerilica Ltd) with regard to this, and he has sent a reply that he asked me to post to the list as he does not subscribe. I hope this is of some help and not too far off topic. Cheers, Richard Quote... > In article <137961@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > >What about adopting Truism 2 from Cerilica? It seems wonderful, it works > > >on RISC OS and... it's used by Vantage! When OP will be able to load > > >Vantage files, it will have to correct them in the same way as Vantage > > >does. So what better than using the same CMS? > > > > I'm not enough in touch to know what plans Cerilica have. Presumeably they > > currently have enough to do. If a rendering system appears for Vantage > > files I hope to implemennt it. > > > It would be nice to be able to use Truism in OPro, apart from the question > > of if this is the sort of thing Cerilica want to encourage, would it > > actually help? Because its not a world standard, it doesn't run on Mac's... Sorry - I am not of this mailing list but Richard Cassidy of Graphite Design kindly passed it on (and also posted this reply on my behalf). As I know David is aware, Vantage based its native format on the Drawfile and therefore extended the object types to cater for new features such as dynamic transparencies, distortable graduated fills, etc. This (arguably more difficult) route was chosen to ensure that Vantage files can be loaded into all applications that currently use the Acorn Drawfile renderer without modification. After the initial release of Vantage (which is currently at 0.97c) a stand-alone updated universal Drawfile renderer will be released freely. This renderer will directly replace the standard existing renderer and will therefore automatically extend the ability of all existing Drawfile-capable packages to render Vantage files without any work from the individual authors. It is possible to take more advantage of Vantage files outside of our product but this would require extra work on the developers and our behalf. This applies to full ink handling that Vantage is capable of. Cerilica's TRUISM 2 system which is at the heart of Vantage is a unique arbitrary ink 'handler' that at a base level requires no technical/proprietory data from companies such as Pantone or Adobe. Basically, you can have the most custom ink your printer is able to lay their hands on or even create and Vantage will be able to simulate it in realtime within the limits of current display technology. The only widely accepted ink industry standard is Pantone for which the most assured method of getting accurate results is to buy one of their range of (costly) ink swatch books. Even data provided as standard with packages such as Photoshop and CorelDRAW can not take into account all variables. With Vantage, if your printer prefers Pantone colours, borrow their Pantone swatch book (if possible) and set up the Vantage document based on that. Alternatively, computer colours may be based on the industry standard CIE system. This is used widely on Macs and PCs and it is an as-yet untapped feature of TRUISM 2 that it will also be able to use this data. (Those who have a Vantage pre-release will note the currently greyed-out option in the Edit colour -> Target window.) As for whether Ovation Pro could make use of it very much depends on how things pan out after the release of Vantage. It would require work by both David (who is prolific in this area :-) and Simon here at Cerilica. Would the benefit be worth it financially for both parties? I do not know the answer to that at present. But it would sure beat any other DTP ink system on any platform! Alternatively (and yes - there are drawbacks) if you own Vantage, you are now able to export any page design as properly separated CMYK sprite which already loads straight into Ovation Pro. The CMYK bitmaps from Vantage (which includes the TIFF format) may be exported at any resolution independant of your machine's memory. Note that TRUISM 2 is Cerilica's crown jewels of the technology developed over the past years and we will be seeking to gain licensing deals from /any/ interested party. Sorry I am not able to return on any comments to this forum but I hope it answers a few questions. All the best, Nicholas van der Walle (Marketing Director) -- Cerilica Limited, PO Box 40, Ross-on-Wye, HR9 7WH England . Telephone (UK) 0870 2411731 . e-mail: cerilica@cerilica.com . WebSite: http://www.cerilica.com/ Developers of advanced graphics and publishing software -- _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk sales@graphitedesign.co.uk design for print and internet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 21:32:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138015 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 21:31:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973712982:20:02062:15; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:49:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001598; 8 Nov 2000 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16377 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:33:15 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16373 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:33:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13tawq-00058T-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:31:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 17:43:00 GMT Message-Id: <138000@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: CMYK/composite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This renderer will directly replace the standard existing >renderer and will therefore automatically extend the ability of all >existing Drawfile-capable packages to render Vantage files without >any work from the individual authors. OPro isn't included in the above. (nor is Impression). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 21:32:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138016 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 21:32:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973717543:20:16375:14; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:05:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114441; 8 Nov 2000 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16705 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:03:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA16702 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:03:54 GMT Received: from useri643.uk.uudial.com (194.69.106.253) [194.69.106.253] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13tcMa-0007Xk-00; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:02:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:42:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Export from OVpro 2.6 Message-ID: <4a1a6659ecdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a160100f6davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <136719@pilling.demon.co.uk> <518fa2134a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4a152de48edavidb@argonet.co.uk> <000 User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a160100f6davidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > In article <003301c04274$21cbfc70$4d01a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > And of course, ruler and tab settings implemented as default. > Of course - just as soon as I remember what a twip is. > David Just to keep people informed (things are busy at this end - both with Work and Scouts). I am still working on the RTF exporter - I decided pretty soon after I made the first post that the basic (but working) program I had needed a rewrite as I had made some fundamental design flaws that made progress slow and the code too complicated. This is progressing and once I have reached a reasonable stage I will release it. Sorry for the delay David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 8 22:53:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138027 for opro ; Wed, 08 Nov 100 22:53:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973723849:20:04653:17; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:50:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004418; 8 Nov 2000 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16990 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:45:13 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16987 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:45:11 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13tdwc-0003ql-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:43:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:41:24 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: CMYK/composite To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 Nov, James White wrote: > On Sat 04 Nov, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > > I've seen discussions on comp.publish.prepress and elsewhere where you > > see that DTP colour control etc is done either by the CMYK numbers of > > the output device (from experience and supported by good > > densito/spectrometre readings) or by using RGB up to the last stage > > and Colorsync or ICM colourcontrol to make the last conversion with > > the right dedicated ICC profiles for different output devices. The > > last route is gaining ground fast. The OS or at least the application > > and printer driver has to support ICC profiles. Lots of hardware and > > software available to accompany or refine that process. I'm using some > > of the applications and the hardware. > > > > Does the new Vantage 'Trueism' have any relevance in this context? There were long and ugly discussions on the colour management of Vantage two years ago (estimated) in acorn.apps. I wouldn't like to start that discussion here again. The message of Nick van der Walle suggests there is an exchange possible between their CMS and the Colorsync/CIE system I referred to. This is quite new to me so it could be that Truism 2 isn't the same what was discussed then. If David starts the development of an OP Windows version he will have to make a choice on the CMS it will use. I've seen more questions here on OP compatibility with other platform DTP workflows than with Acorn applications. I know what my choice of CMS would be but I'm too stupid to write any software. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 9 15:30:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138075 for opro ; Thu, 09 Nov 100 15:30:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973783102:10:23197:27; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 15:18:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023526; 9 Nov 2000 15:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19064 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:01:16 GMT Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19061 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:01:13 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-74.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.74]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12201 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:59:40 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:29:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: RE: CMYK/composite To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <138000@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 08 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >This renderer will directly replace the standard existing > >renderer and will therefore automatically extend the ability of all > >existing Drawfile-capable packages to render Vantage files without > >any work from the individual authors. > > OPro isn't included in the above. (nor is Impression). > That is a pity. Any profound reason why it can't be done? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 9 15:30:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138076 for opro ; Thu, 09 Nov 100 15:30:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973783712:20:13904:28; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 15:28:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104885; 9 Nov 2000 15:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19139 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:19:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA18046 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 05:18:27 GMT Received: from usercq98.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.226) [62.188.156.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13tl1G-0003UT-00; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 06:17:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: Ovation Pro Mail List Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 06:21:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printer Choices Message-ID: <4a1a9b52a6colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200011061859.SAA10111@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <200011061859.SAA10111@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi This has to be a common problem, and the solution cannot be that difficult - I am just amazed that I haven't asked this before. Is it possible to save the individual printer choices (i.e OVnPro ) via a HotKey so that it can be inserted into a text frame and saved with each document ? I have just sent off 4 completely different jobs, some A3 - some A6, to different print companies etc. Each needed a full colour proof (printed via a high res photo printer) and a reduced sized B&W for text proofing and layout (printed via a laser printer). All these jobs needed the print setup configuring differently. It will be the same guesswork and trial and error when these jobs come around to be printed again - saving the set up easily via CTRL.ALT.P for example, into a text frame in the document - would make life easy. Hope it can Colin -- Colin Woolf Watercolour Artist - Fine Art Paintings Graphic Design & Illustration colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk please visit the Web Site - www.wildart.co.uk - -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 9 19:39:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138089 for opro ; Thu, 09 Nov 100 19:39:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973795531:10:23915:14; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:45:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023480; 9 Nov 2000 18:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19722 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:43:54 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19719 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:43:52 GMT Received: from 10006851 (man-a083.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.83]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id SAA23998 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:42:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a083.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.83] claimed to be 10006851 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:41:37 GMT From: Ken Paton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printer Choices Message-ID: References: <200011061859.SAA10111@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <4a1a9b52a6colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a1a9b52a6colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a1a9b52a6colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> colinwoolf wrote: > Hi > > This has to be a common problem, and the solution cannot be that > difficult - I am just amazed that I haven't asked this before. > > Is it possible to save the individual printer choices (i.e OVnPro > ) via a HotKey so that it can be inserted into a text > frame and saved with each document ? > > I have just sent off 4 completely different jobs, some A3 - some > A6, to different print companies etc. Each needed a full colour > proof (printed via a high res photo printer) and a reduced sized > B&W for text proofing and layout (printed via a laser printer). > > All these jobs needed the print setup configuring differently. > It will be the same guesswork and trial and error when these jobs > come around to be printed again - saving the set up easily via > CTRL.ALT.P for example, into a text frame in the document - would > make life easy. > > Hope it can > > Colin > I normally use the Set button on the print dialogue box, which saves the print settings into the document so that they are the same the next time the document is opened. Would this not do what you want? If you are creating a new document which requires the same settings then you could open the old one to check what the settings were. -- Ken Paton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 9 21:22:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138095 for opro ; Thu, 09 Nov 100 21:22:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973798972:20:00488:14; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 19:42:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121036; 9 Nov 2000 19:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19996 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:42:12 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19993 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:42:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13txZ4-000ABo-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:40:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 17:52:31 GMT Message-Id: <138081@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: CMYK/composite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> OPro isn't included in the above. (nor is Impression). >That is a pity. Any profound reason why it can't be done? It can be done. All I'm commenting on, is that the original posting implied it would happen with zero work. It won't. A small amount of work writing a new applet will be needed, and then image processing and separations are unlikely to work on Vantage files. Impression OTOH is probably a lost cause. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 9 21:22:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138099 for opro ; Thu, 09 Nov 100 21:22:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973800794:10:14606:17; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 20:13:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129877; 9 Nov 2000 20:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20131 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:12:17 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20128 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:12:15 GMT Received: from modem-34.flunitrazepam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.162] helo=lcessford) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13ty2B-00064M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 20:10:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 20:04:42 GMT From: Alex Cessford Message-ID: <70b9e61a4a.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Missing border "ArtDeco" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R When I load up OP 260 I get this error/complaint about ArtDeco, even though it is the first session-use since power-on. It happens whether I am creating a new file or editting a previous one, (eg. possibly one that was created with OP 258). I use borders infrequently, and don't really recognise this particular border. Any ideas please? I'd appreciate replies direct to this address if possible. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 13:42:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138139 for opro ; Fri, 10 Nov 100 13:42:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973824847:10:05266:14; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:54:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122235; 10 Nov 2000 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21056 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:51:58 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21052 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:51:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13u4Gy-0006cm-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:50:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:12:25 GMT Message-Id: <138135@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printer Choices X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it possible to save the individual printer choices I don't think so. It'd be nice though. To have a menu of preset print options in a document. It would also be a nightmare to program because imposition/print formats can save their own settings. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 13:42:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138141 for opro ; Fri, 10 Nov 100 13:42:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973824847:10:05338:14; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:54:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005306; 10 Nov 2000 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21055 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:51:57 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21048 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:51:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13u4Gx-0006cm-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:50:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:09:55 GMT Message-Id: <138133@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Missing border "ArtDeco" X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I load up OP 260 I get this error/complaint about ArtDeco, even >though it is the first session-use since power-on. It happens whether I >am creating a new file or editting a previous one, (eg. possibly one >that was created with OP 258). I'd assume that you've saved a default document which uses the ArtDeco border. Delete it, or save a new one (Main menu->File). That border is one of the 'pd' set of Draw file borders available on Chris Johnsons OP support site. Inadvertently they were included in some earlier updates of OP. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 13:43:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138168 for opro ; Fri, 10 Nov 100 13:43:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973847284:20:01382:22; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:08:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103274; 10 Nov 2000 9:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22208 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:05:54 GMT Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22205 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:05:52 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13uA6j-0007Qg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:04:25 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:00:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:59:43 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printer Choices Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <138135@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Is it possible to save the individual printer choices > > I don't think so. It'd be nice though. To have a menu of preset > print options in a document. > > It would also be a nightmare to program because imposition/print formats > can save their own settings. > Perhaps having such print options saved as global choices would work? I often find myself in a similar position, needing to, say, proof a document or produce thumbnails, then print out separated postscript with printers marks, then print out a composite file without marks for rendering as a PDF. It would be really nice to have these saved as menu items, though they need not be saved with the document itself. In fact, saving with the document would not make sense because as soon as I print with one of the formats, the others get forgotten. Would using global choices make it easier to create an applet? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 13:44:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138170 for opro ; Fri, 10 Nov 100 13:44:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973843129:10:26747:15; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:58:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118599; 10 Nov 2000 7:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21956 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:37:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA21953 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:37:29 GMT Received: from userbz66.uk.uudial.com (62.188.150.35) [62.188.150.35] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13u8jH-0000Gd-00; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:36:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 22:24:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: CMYK/composite Message-ID: <4a1af37ff8robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138081@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <138081@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <138081@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> OPro isn't included in the above. (nor is Impression). > >That is a pity. Any profound reason why it can't be done? > It can be done. All I'm commenting on, is that the original posting > implied it would happen with zero work. It won't. A small amount > of work writing a new applet will be needed, and then image processing > and separations are unlikely to work on Vantage files. > Impression OTOH is probably a lost cause. That might be another good reason for people to move from impression to OPro. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 13:44:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138179 for opro ; Fri, 10 Nov 100 13:44:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973861811:20:00215:20; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:10:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127642; 10 Nov 2000 13:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22795 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:04:07 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22792 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:04:05 GMT Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13uDpN-0005r0-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:02:45 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:59:47 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:59:39 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linking frames Message-ID: <39a5431b4a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a1af37ff8robh@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Is there any way of linking frames in a document with a master template? I have made a master template for a document with two frames inside the main frame.However, when I try to link these frames from one page to the next(not the main frames) on the pages of the document, I get the error message You ca't link master frames. Even when I have made those frames local, the same message appears. Help would be appreciated. Neill McNeill -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 19:08:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138198 for opro ; Fri, 10 Nov 100 19:08:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973878924:20:17736:15; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:55:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017564; 10 Nov 2000 17:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23522 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:44:46 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23519 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:44:44 GMT Received: from modem-106.leopard-shark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.37.234] helo=modem-106) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13uICy-00068L-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:43:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:42:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Linking frames Message-ID: <4a1b5d9333rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <39a5431b4a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> References: <4a1af37ff8robh@argonet.co.uk> <39a5431b4a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Neill McNeill wrote: > I have made a master template for a document with > two frames inside the main frame.However, when I try > to link these frames from one page to the next(not the > main frames) on the pages of the document, I get the > error message You ca't link master frames. Go to the Master page Draw your two frames inside the main frame Select the link tool Click in first secondary frame and then drag the pointer into the second secondary frame Click in the second secondary frame and drag back to the first secondary frame. This will auto-link the frames so that they create a new page when required. Close the Master frame. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 22:32:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138210 for opro ; Fri, 10 Nov 100 22:32:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973885562:10:23197:18; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:46:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125007; 10 Nov 2000 19:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23852 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:44:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23738 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:59:46 GMT Received: from usercd28.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.139) [62.188.151.139] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13uJNZ-0001mE-00; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:58:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:02:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #544 Message-ID: <4a1b64d93ecolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200011101649.QAA23532@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <200011101649.QAA23532@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <200011101649.QAA23532@omega.barnet.ac.uk>, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > >Is it possible to save the individual printer choices > I don't think so. It'd be nice though. To have a menu of preset > print options in a document. David - I think you have missed the point on this one, as the previous reply has as well. David(the English Co) has the same requirements as me - all we want is to be able to set different printer configurations (100% with ticks and say 50% proof) and be able to refer to these the next time we wish to print that file. As so often happens, I print one file in two to three different ways depending on the requirements of the person viewing the printout. Having a way of saving these setups (even in a plain text file, it doesn't even have to be inside the document, just a way of saving them other than doing a screen grab of the setup window!) would make the job of setting it up each time that much easier. An A2 sheet is a prime example, to proof to the client each A4 page has to be printed out at 100% (or onto A3 paper) then all these have to be changed to colour so that the lithoprinter can see a colour proof of the intended job, then it has to be changed again to print the whole file to postscript. When you next come round to do the same job again (it is a monthly newsletter !) you have forgotten the settings - unless as above, you have a screen grab handy ! Hope this is feasable. Cheers Colin -- Colin Woolf Watercolour Artist - Fine Art Paintings Graphic Design & Illustration colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk please visit the Web Site - www.wildart.co.uk - -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 22:32:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138211 for opro ; Fri, 10 Nov 100 22:32:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973885743:20:08785:19; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:49:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120904; 10 Nov 2000 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23858 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:44:38 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23854 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:44:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13uK4w-0002Ka-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:43:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:10:36 GMT Message-Id: <138202@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printer Choices X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >David - I think you have missed the point on this one Oh no I've not. OK it doesn't have to be a menu. But in the general case someone is not going to just want the print scale saving, they'll want the X by Y thumbnail values, and it then gets tricky. Allowing the standard stuff, scale, centre, range etc. to be saved one way or another would be no problem. But extending it to add on print formats would be. No doubt something would be better than nothing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 22:32:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138214 for opro ; Fri, 10 Nov 100 22:32:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973888274:10:02918:14; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:31:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002885; 10 Nov 2000 20:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24118 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:30:38 GMT Received: from mserv1c.vianw.co.uk (mserv1c.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24115 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:30:36 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 13uKnS-0001cI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:29:14 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:28:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:28:21 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linking frames Message-ID: <89b96c1b4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a1b5d9333rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ray Dawson wrote: > Neill McNeill wrote: > > > I have made a master template for a document with > > two frames inside the main frame.However, when I try > > to link these frames from one page to the next(not the > > main frames) on the pages of the document, I get the > > error message You ca't link master frames. > > Go to the Master page > > Draw your two frames inside the main frame > > Select the link tool > > Click in first secondary frame and then drag the pointer into the second > secondary frame > > Click in the second secondary frame and drag back to the first secondary > frame. This will auto-link the frames so that they create a new page when > required. > > Close the Master frame. > And if you want the text to flow from frame 1 on p1 to frame 1 on p2, and frame 2 on p1 to frame 2 on p2 (like columns in a newsletter) then don't link the two frames, just draw the link tool and release inside each frame. Then each frame is autolinked to itself. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 11 14:05:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138261 for opro ; Sat, 11 Nov 100 14:05:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973934314:20:20323:14; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:18:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123437; 11 Nov 2000 9:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25718 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:16:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25715 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:16:37 GMT Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13uWkn-000Lxe-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:15:17 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:13:46 GMT Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:13:32 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linking frames Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89b96c1b4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Thanks for the help. Regards, Neill McNeill In message <89b96c1b4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> you wrote: > Ray Dawson wrote: > > > Neill McNeill wrote: > > > > > I have made a master template for a document with > > > two frames inside the main frame.However, when I try > > > to link these frames from one page to the next(not the > > > main frames) on the pages of the document, I get the > > > error message You ca't link master frames. > > > > Go to the Master page > > > > Draw your two frames inside the main frame > > > > Select the link tool > > > > Click in first secondary frame and then drag the pointer into the second > > secondary frame > > > > Click in the second secondary frame and drag back to the first secondary > > frame. This will auto-link the frames so that they create a new page when > > required. > > > > Close the Master frame. > > > > And if you want the text to flow from frame 1 on p1 to frame 1 on > p2, and frame 2 on p1 to frame 2 on p2 (like columns in a > newsletter) then don't link the two frames, just draw the link > tool and release inside each frame. Then each frame is autolinked > to itself. > > David > > -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| Good things come in small packages. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 11 16:13:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138276 for opro ; Sat, 11 Nov 100 16:13:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973954132:10:15726:19; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:48:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015673; 11 Nov 2000 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26380 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:45:10 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26376 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:45:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13ubsi-000EkE-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:43:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:09:16 GMT Message-Id: <138268@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Non-member submission from ["david.mcdowell" ] Tut tut... >Just installed OvationPro upgrade 2.60 CD-R >The !Applets paths were set up internally - but a directory called >'ApplStore' was missing from inside utility which stopped applets being Yes, its missing on all the CD's. I noted the problem here a week or two back. The state of play at the moment is that all the serial number based free CD's will have been shipped by the middle of next week. I'll then be seeking out those who I promised a free CD to for their contributions etc. to ask for their details. One omission from the CD was a copy of the demo 'read only' version of OPro 2.60. That is now available on the web site (along with the Impression loader), and will be on the next build of the CD. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 11 16:13:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138278 for opro ; Sat, 11 Nov 100 16:13:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973956530:20:29083:14; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:28:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028803; 11 Nov 2000 15:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26581 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:26:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA26578 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:26:00 GMT Received: from userae90.uk.uudial.com (62.188.131.232) [62.188.131.232] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13ucWF-0003wQ-00; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:24:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:21:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Importing GIFs Message-ID: <4a1bd47c4epnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R According to the HTMLPro manual, if the filer has seen InterGif a .gif will import into OPro. It doesn't here (OPro 2.60, InterGif 6.02) Does this in fact work? If so, what else do I need to do? TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 11 16:13:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138279 for opro ; Sat, 11 Nov 100 16:13:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973954138:10:15973:14; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:48:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015776; 11 Nov 2000 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26377 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:45:08 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26074 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:11:28 GMT Received: from davidpc ([62.253.149.151]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001111121002.WMXF13163.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@davidpc> for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:10:02 +0000 Message-ID: <01fb01c04bd8$b3416380$9795fd3e@davidpc> From: "david.mcdowell" To: References: <138081@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:11:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from ["david.mcdowell" ] Just installed OvationPro upgrade 2.60 CD-R, thank you DP, but found a small problem installing the !Applets manager utility (for those that don't realise all these CD's are DP's lovingly/ individually /named /numbered and burnt CD-R's no mass production here - so all may not have the same problem.!) The !Applets paths were set up internally - but a directory called 'ApplStore' was missing from inside utility which stopped applets being installed or run in Ovation Pro - but easily put right, by creating the above named directory. Regards, David -- David Mc Dowell Secretary Bottisham Acorn Users Group (BAUG) Cambridgeshire Acorn Computer User for 20 year -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 11 19:07:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138285 for opro ; Sat, 11 Nov 100 19:07:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973961524:10:02492:14; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:52:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002405; 11 Nov 2000 16:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26896 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:49:49 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26893 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:49:47 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13udpL-000IwD-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:48:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:19:57 GMT Message-Id: <138281@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Importing GIFs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Yes it does work. But... you need to have run the HTMLDemo first so that the path to InterGif has been set up. And you also must not have allowed TransFSI to be seen first or that will take precedence. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 12 00:21:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138314 for opro ; Sun, 12 Nov 100 00:21:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973986162:20:25431:14; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:42:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124767; 11 Nov 2000 23:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27892 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:41:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27889 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:41:57 GMT Received: from userfi13.uk.uudial.com (62.188.22.213) [62.188.22.213] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13ukGB-0007Sq-00; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:40:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 17:57:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Importing GIFs Message-ID: <4a1be2bc92pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138281@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <138281@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <138281@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Yes it does work. But... you need to have run the HTMLDemo first so > that the path to InterGif has been set up. And you also must not have > allowed TransFSI to be seen first or that will take precedence. Many thanks, it worked but in a very different way. I took the Filer_Boot of ChangeFSI out of my Boot file and put in Filer_Boot HTMLPro; I hadn't booted TransFSI. As I say, it worked, but will I come a cropper elsewhere not having booted ChangeFSI? I can't remember why it was in the boot file anyway. Best wishes and thanks, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 12 00:21:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138315 for opro ; Sun, 12 Nov 100 00:21:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973981468:10:08276:14; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:24:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007957; 11 Nov 2000 22:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27637 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 21:22:26 GMT Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138291 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Nov 100 19:08:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973967538:10:16587:6; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:32:18 GMT Received: from bender.bawue.de ([193.197.13.1]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114983; 11 Nov 2000 18:32 GMT Received: by bender.bawue.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id AD83E82C; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:32:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:19:01 +0000 From: Steffen Huber To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: OvPro CD in Windows(NT) was: Re: Maillist textfiles Message-ID: References: <80256988.00381A98.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> In-Reply-To: <80256988.00381A98.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> X-Organization: LCS, LambdaComm System, WN-Hohenacker User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10a (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.23 (11 Feb 1999) alpha-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <80256988.00381A98.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> andy.ling@quantel.com wrote: > >>Long filenames are supported, the same as in Windows98. > > >And yet if I burn a CD with a file called opro/zip NT can read it. > >CD's use their own filing system, and there are lots of variations > >to cope with long names, capitalisation and file types. > > >>NT4 can handle multisession CD's > > >And if I do one of those it comes up as blank. > > I can confirm that NT supports both long filenames and multisession. Well, there is quite a variety of methods to do multisession, and even more methods to achieve long filenames. > I regularly use both. I create CDs on win95 that have long filenames > and use multisession (many days, weeks, months between sessions) and > have no problem reading them on an NT machine. > > The "standard" format for CDs these days is Joliet (sp?) No. The standard format is still ISO9660. Joliet is an extension of this. You can't write a standard conformant CD with only a Joliet directory structure on it - there *has* to be an ISO9660 compliant variant on it. > This is supported by both PCs and Macs. And most Unix variants. And RISC OS (if CDROMFS is used). > So much so that the latest CD writing software we have doesn't let you > use any other format. I haven't seen any CD writing software where you couldn't choose to write a plain ISO9660 CD without Joliet extensions. What software are you referring to? > This supersedes all the previous white, red, green, yellow book stuff along > with rock-ridge etc. RockRidge is actually not made redundant by Joliet. In fact, RockRidge extensions are a bit more intelligent than Joliet because they enable deep directory trees without breaking ISO9660 compatibility. And RockRidge allows the use of Unix-style symbolic links on CD-ROM. And Unix-style access rights. And devices. Unfortunately, both RISC OS and Windows variants are not able to properly read RockRidge CDs. However, because RockRidge Extensions are 100% backward compatible, the CDs are still readable. The "coloured books" stuff is also not made redundant by Joliet - Joliet does not even touch the area defined in the "coloured books". Red Book contains the old Audio CD standard, Blue Book contains the CD Extra stuff, Yellow Book is about CD-ROM, White Book about Video CDs, Green Book defines CD-I and Orange Books describes the CD-R(/W) technology. All coloured books are about physical stuff, not logical filesystem stuff. Logically, they can't therefore be superceded by Joliet. > So if you can create CDs in this format and they can be read by > RiscOS then that is the way to go. As David uses CDBurn, I guess he used the Joliet extensions to produce the Ovation Pro CD. It is on by default ;-) So long, Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System - Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen@huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ .... Was waere, wenn es keine hypothetischen Fragen geben wuerde? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 12 02:18:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138320 for opro ; Sun, 12 Nov 100 02:18:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 973988854:20:20421:14; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:27:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020277; 12 Nov 2000 0:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28050 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:26:29 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28047 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:26:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13ukxI-0007AG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:25:08 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:22:51 GMT Message-Id: <138317@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Importing GIFs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro It would be better to boot ChangeFSI. Many programs use it, web browsers, Ovation Pro. ChangeFSI won't upset GIF importing. TransFSI will. Presumeably what you gain from using the Levens code is that it handles masks correctly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 12 14:43:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138344 for opro ; Sun, 12 Nov 100 14:43:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974031015:20:19181:14; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:10:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018753; 12 Nov 2000 12:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29420 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:09:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29417 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:09:54 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13uvw3-0001G5-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:08:35 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:53:58 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Importing GIFs Message-ID: References: <138317@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138317@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <138317@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > It would be better to boot ChangeFSI. Many programs > use it, web browsers, Ovation Pro. ChangeFSI won't upset > GIF importing. TransFSI will. > > Presumeably what you gain from using the Levens code is that > it handles masks correctly. Just a reminder that if using RO4, ChangeFSI will get booted anyway if left in $.Utilities. Can't recall for 3.7. Probably depends on which version of Boot. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 12 14:43:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138346 for opro ; Sun, 12 Nov 100 14:43:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974031024:20:19709:14; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:10:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111268; 12 Nov 2000 12:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29398 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:07:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA29395 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:07:54 GMT Received: from userev66.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.249) [62.188.17.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13uvu6-0003K8-00; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:06:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Importing GIFs Message-ID: <4a1c46669cpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138317@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <138317@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <138317@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > It would be better to boot ChangeFSI. Many programs use it, web > browsers, Ovation Pro. ChangeFSI won't upset GIF importing. TransFSI > will. > Presumeably what you gain from using the Levens code is that it handles > masks correctly. Thanks for your patient help! Something else and something odd is happening; yesterday when Filer_Boot ChangeFSI was in the boot file InterGif wouldn't load a gif into OvPro, and when I took it out it did work. Today I've put it back in view of the above warning, and InterGif does now work. BTW, OvPro seemed to work perfectly in spite of TransFSI not being booted, and I can't see that OPro or Image Master (both loaded at boot-up) load this when they start. I guess this is just one of those things I don't understand. And please, David, don't waste time explaining, you have much more valuable things to do! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 12 17:46:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138366 for opro ; Sun, 12 Nov 100 17:46:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974042135:10:13682:14; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:15:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013526; 12 Nov 2000 15:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29951 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:14:35 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29947 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:14:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13uyoj-0001Ww-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:13:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:48:55 GMT Message-Id: <138353@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Importing GIFs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OPro'se use of ChangeFSI is extremeley limited. It only uses it if an EPS file has an embedded preview which needs translating. So this point will affect few people. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 12 17:46:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138368 for opro ; Sun, 12 Nov 100 17:46:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974042140:10:14245:15; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:15:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013875; 12 Nov 2000 15:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29948 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:14:33 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29716 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:17:37 GMT Received: from davidpc ([62.253.145.39]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001112131617.BUZG277.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@davidpc> for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:16:17 +0000 Message-ID: <007701c04cab$203c1160$2791fd3e@davidpc> From: "david.mcdowell" To: References: <138268@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:02:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R > > >Non-member submission from ["david.mcdowell" ] > > Tut tut... As one can see from the extract of the mailing headers below *I am* a member and have been for a number of years!happily receiving the list but seldom have anything worth contributing!:-) Return-Path: Received: from bigfoot.com ([208.156.39.208]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001112004153.ZVQH277.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@bigfoot.com> for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:41:53 +0000 - but still subscribed toOvnPro via a Mail forwarder :-dgmcdowell@bigfoot.com Would you prefer me to de-subscribe under Bigfoot's forwarding service and re-subscribe under NTL direct only that rather defeats the object of using a mail forwarder! > >Just installed OvationPro upgrade 2.60 CD-R > >The !Applets paths were set up internally - but a directory called > >'ApplStore' was missing from inside utility which stopped applets being > > Yes, its missing on all the CD's. I noted the problem here a week or two back. > > The state of play at the moment is that all the serial number based free CD's > will have been shipped by the middle of next week. As a matter of interest David does this imply that you have had a run of 2.60 CD-R's pre-done and then they are individually customised with our name/number/etc as a 'second session' - then? > I'll then be seeking out those who I promised a free CD to for their contributions etc. > to ask for their details. > > One omission from the CD was a copy of the demo 'read only' version of OPro 2.60. > That is now available on the web site (along with the Impression loader), > and will be on the next build of the CD. > > > David Pilling Off topic a bit.... Since moving over to 'completely free of all call charges' NTLWorld about six weeks ago, finding that ANT software just wouldn't work at all - and that my 586/133 PC card really wasn't fast enough for sensible/serious WWW/ FTP use, I obtained a K6-2 PC box just for internet, but NTLWorld connection is via their compulsory 'front-end software' while the M-S Internet Explorer web browser is quite good, the system is tied to the awful (and positively) broken M-S Outlook Express 5. I do so miss the Inetsuites mail/news filtering, decent coloured quoting, good formatting, editing via !Zap etc - does anybody else using NTL know how to use an alternative (better!) to OE 5 Mail and News software....please reply directly to me by Email rather then to the list Regards, David. -- David Mc Dowell Secretary Bottisham Acorn Users Group (BAUG) Cambridgeshire Acorn Computer User for 20 years. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 12 20:13:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138407 for opro ; Sun, 12 Nov 100 20:13:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974058502:20:06176:14; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:48:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006032; 12 Nov 2000 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30685 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:47:07 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30682 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:47:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13v34T-000Az4-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:45:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:44:11 GMT Message-Id: <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would you prefer me to de-sub under Bigfoot's forwarding service and >re-sub under NTL direct only that rather defeats the object of using a >mail forwarder! Unless you post from exactly the same address you're sub'd with, your posting will come to me and have to be forwared by hand. Majordomo is set up this way to protect the list from spammers. I suppose the ideal would be if Mojordomo supported a list of allowed non-sub'd posters. >As a matter of interest David does this imply that you have had a run of >2.60 CD-R's pre-done and then they are individually customised with our >name/number/etc as a 'second session' - then? No. I write them in one session as needed. I did consider the alternative strategy you describe. I make the CDR's using CD Burn and a small data base program I wrote which drives it. So I have to do comparatively little. Had I written a second session it would have been harder to drive CD Burn from my program, and I would probably have picked up a few cases where the second session was not readable. (and anyway the second session would contain the whole main archive and so there'd be no gain). >!Zap etc - does anybody else using NTL know how to use an alternative >(better!) to OE 5 Mail and News software....please reply directly to me by >Email rather then to the list Set up your PC as a router to the Acorn...? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 12 21:55:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138411 for opro ; Sun, 12 Nov 100 21:55:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974061647:10:29638:14; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:40:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116330; 12 Nov 2000 20:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30863 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:39:01 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30860 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:38:59 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13v3sh-000K7j-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:37:40 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:36:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <007701c04cab$203c1160$2791fd3e@davidpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Sun 12 Nov, david.mcdowell wrote: [snip] > As a matter of interest David does this imply that you have had a run of > 2.60 CD-R's pre-done and then they are individually customised with our > name/number/etc as a 'second session' - then? > Sticking my oar in... A little investigation indicates otherwise. According to CDBurn's 'Show medium information' window, the disc contains one track and one session. However, the disc is also reported as still writable, which would imply that the disc is multi-session and not closed. This could also be backed up by Count's report of 66MB content of the disc against CDBurn's report of 86MB used (multi-session eats over 20MB extra for the first session). Maybe the multi-session format is the reason some people have reported problems with the disc? Regards, Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 13 03:34:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138439 for opro ; Mon, 13 Nov 100 03:34:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974080797:20:21475:14; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 01:59:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020856; 13 Nov 2000 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31745 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:55:51 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31742 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:55:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13v8pK-000KDu-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 01:54:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:41:08 GMT Message-Id: <138427@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On the subject of CD's. Thanks to Steffen Hubers (author of CD Burn) recent input, I'll be shipping NT compatible ones in future. So thats a little mystery that has now gone away. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 13 13:59:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138454 for opro ; Mon, 13 Nov 100 13:59:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974111102:10:07473:17; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:25:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106798; 13 Nov 2000 10:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32699 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:21:23 GMT Received: from lion.dna-is.com (lion.dna-is.com [212.21.97.130]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32696 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:21:21 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-69.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.69]) by lion.dna-is.com (1.0/2.0) with SMTP id KAA53839 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:32:58 GMT Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:20:42 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printer Choices Message-ID: <6a45371c4a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138202@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <138202@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Allowing the standard stuff, scale, centre, range etc. to be saved > one way or another would be no problem. But extending it to > add on print formats would be. How about giving the Print dialogue a save box / load panel that allows all the settings to be exported as a script? Each active extension applet could be offered the chance to write its own 'appendix' to this script before it was closed. This method would have the advantage of being able to transfer settings from one file to another. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 13 19:52:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138493 for opro ; Mon, 13 Nov 100 19:52:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974144664:20:21015:14; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:44:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123096; 13 Nov 2000 19:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01437 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:40:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01434 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:40:04 GMT Received: from userax89.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.80) [62.188.139.80] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13vPRD-0007jC-00; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:38:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:23:49 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Importing GIFs Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 12 Nov 2000 (00:22:51), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > It would be better to boot ChangeFSI. Many programs > use it, web browsers, Ovation Pro. ChangeFSI won't upset > GIF importing. TransFSI will. > > Presumeably what you gain from using the Levens code is that > it handles masks correctly. > > To enable Ovation Pro to import GIFs, can't you just put the !TransGIF filter (on the new OvPro CD) into !Boot.Resources, along with the other filters: !TransPCD; FSI; DDF; RTF etc? I have !TransGIF there and Ovation Pro imports GIF files straight off. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 13 22:20:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138514 for opro ; Mon, 13 Nov 100 22:20:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974151219:20:01272:14; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:33:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001006; 13 Nov 2000 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01749 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:32:02 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01746 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:32:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13vRBX-000JVF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:30:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:28:07 GMT Message-Id: <138504@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Importing GIFs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro But if you have TransFSI and TransGIF active, then I think TransFSI will take priority, so your GIF's will load via it, and not TransGIF. Try a GIF with a mask and see what happens. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 13 23:11:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138527 for opro ; Mon, 13 Nov 100 23:11:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974155263:10:06656:14; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:41:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115473; 13 Nov 2000 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01949 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:37:00 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01946 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:36:58 GMT Received: (qmail 2313 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2000 22:35:39 -0000 Received: from userfx82.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.28.243) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2000 22:35:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:51:22 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Message-ID: <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >!Zap etc - does anybody else using NTL know how to use an alternative > >(better!) to OE 5 Mail and News software....please reply directly to me by > >Email rather then to the list > Set up your PC as a router to the Acorn...? I wish /I/ knew how to do that. I've been trying to do this for months. :o( -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk God is real unless declared integer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 14 00:30:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138530 for opro ; Tue, 14 Nov 100 00:30:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974157646:10:28684:14; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:20:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119769; 13 Nov 2000 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02108 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:20:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02105 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:20:10 GMT Received: from userax81.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.72) [62.188.139.72] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13vSsE-00076w-00; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:18:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:18:57 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Importing GIFs Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 13 Nov 2000 (21:28:07), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > But if you have TransFSI and TransGIF active, then I think TransFSI > will take priority, so your GIF's will load via it, and not TransGIF. > Try a GIF with a mask and see what happens. > OPro loads them - but all I see is a black rectangle! Hmm Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 14 13:47:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138547 for opro ; Tue, 14 Nov 100 13:47:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974163422:10:19157:15; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:57:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102960; 14 Nov 2000 0:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02361 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:53:54 GMT Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com (tantalum.btinternet.com [194.73.73.80]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02358 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:53:52 GMT Received: from [213.123.39.140] (helo=martin.local) by tantalum.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 13vUKq-0005pb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:52:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:30:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Message-ID: <4a1d0e5f39martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > In article <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > >!Zap etc - does anybody else using NTL know how to use an alternative > > >(better!) to OE 5 Mail and News software....please reply directly to me by > > >Email rather then to the list > > Set up your PC as a router to the Acorn...? > I wish /I/ knew how to do that. I've been trying to do this for months. :o( Supposed to be possible with Win 98 SE but as I had first edition I never tried it. Works a treat with Win ME even though you have to follow the damned wizard and nowhere do they tell you how to set it up manually. Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 14 13:47:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138557 for opro ; Tue, 14 Nov 100 13:47:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974198196:10:08407:17; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:36:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128898; 14 Nov 2000 10:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03572 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:31:48 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03569 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:31:45 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAEAULa08600 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:30:22 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id LAA17380 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:32:21 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256997.003A9ED7.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:29:46 +0000 Subject: The CD and importing Impression Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, The new CD has arrived and so I tried it on various PCs for readability. And you're right, it is unreadable on win95 NT and win2K, but as you now know why I guess this wont be a problem in the future. Interestingly our CD writer software couldn't read it either. In answer to a previous post it is Adaptecs Easy CD Creator and I cannot find anywhere were you can change to format of the CD it burns, but I've not spent that long looking. On to more important things. A quick play with the Impression loader has shown that it gets confused by a number of my files. Particularly ones with large and nested auto-numbered lists. In one it seems to underline all the text and looses the list numbers. I can send a sample file if it would help (c. 26K zip) Otherwise on first impression it looks good. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 14 13:48:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138562 for opro ; Tue, 14 Nov 100 13:48:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974206717:10:05227:16; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:58:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004032; 14 Nov 2000 12:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03939 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:55:26 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03936 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:55:23 GMT Received: from shelley (lohn-3e36a715.pool.mediaWays.net [62.54.167.21]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA19361 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:54:01 +0100 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:35:16 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:34:48 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 14 Nov 2000 10:34:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:34:41 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Message-ID: <7d39401d4a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4a1d0e5f39martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: <4a1d0e5f39martinl@redhotant.com> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 974206384 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a1d0e5f39martinl@redhotant.com> you wrote: > In article <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com>, > Mik Towse wrote: > > In article <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > > >!Zap etc - does anybody else using NTL know how to use an alternative > > > >(better!) to OE 5 Mail and News software....please reply directly to me by > > > >Email rather then to the list > > > Set up your PC as a router to the Acorn...? > > I wish /I/ knew how to do that. I've been trying to do this for months. :o( > > Supposed to be possible with Win 98 SE but as I had first edition I never > tried it. Works a treat with Win ME even though you have to follow the damned > wizard and nowhere do they tell you how to set it up manually. > > Martin Longley > 98 as a router? I don't believe it, ME maybe but I guess only if You have a subnet registered with Your ISP. AFAIK You'll have to buy something like AVM's KEN to do NAT on 'doze (only to find that its crappy stack just isn't up to it). Blow the partition away and put LINUX on, setting-up masquerading usually is a breeze and it's free (as in beer). Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 14 19:42:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138595 for opro ; Tue, 14 Nov 100 19:42:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974225016:10:23589:41; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:03:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121841; 14 Nov 2000 17:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04614 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:46:37 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04611 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:46:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13vk8x-00089C-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:45:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:53:16 GMT Message-Id: <138572@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes, I'd like any examples of Impression loading going wrong. I guess I just don't know that you can have multilevel lists in Impression. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 14 21:16:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138605 for opro ; Tue, 14 Nov 100 21:16:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974231275:10:05520:14; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:47:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005420; 14 Nov 2000 19:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04951 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:40:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04948 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:40:36 GMT Received: from myoung.demon.co.uk ([193.237.60.88]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13vlvJ-000O6g-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:39:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:58:08 GMT From: Martin Young To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation and Impact queery Message-ID: <485b4d1d4a.martin@myoung.demon.co.uk> References: <138427@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138427@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm having difficulty getting Ovation to work in the same way as Impression does with Impacts merge commands. How can I inset merge tags that Ovation can understand. All help gratefully received. Martin Young -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 14 22:02:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138625 for opro ; Tue, 14 Nov 100 22:02:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974237992:10:07929:14; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:39:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101127; 14 Nov 2000 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05218 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:26:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05215 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:26:37 GMT Received: from userew86.uk.uudial.com (62.188.18.114) [62.188.18.114] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13vnZt-0000c9-00; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:25:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:23:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Something odd on viewing the clipboard Message-ID: <4a1d812789robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just discovered that I have a document that seems to upset the 'view clipboard' function in OPro. Cutting and pasting seem to work perfectly OK but if I try and view the clipboard all I get is a large black rectangle! (Fortunately all my other documents seem OK.) This is with Opro 2.60 and working with a 21 page document containing a mixture of words and pictures. Have I found a bug? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 14 22:02:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138627 for opro ; Tue, 14 Nov 100 22:02:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974238833:10:02074:14; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:53:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118342; 14 Nov 2000 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05296 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:49:25 GMT Received: from ruthenium ([194.73.73.138]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05293 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:49:23 GMT Received: from [213.122.148.108] (helo=martin.local) by ruthenium with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 13vnvv-0006RL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:48:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:37:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Message-ID: <4a1d825dc7martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: <7d39401d4a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4a1d0e5f39martinl@redhotant.com> <7d39401d4a.martinv User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <7d39401d4a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de>, Martin Vethake wrote: [Snip] > > > > Set up your PC as a router to the Acorn...? > > > I wish /I/ knew how to do that. I've been trying to do this for months. :o( > > > > Supposed to be possible with Win 98 SE but as I had first edition I never > > tried it. Works a treat with Win ME even though you have to follow the > > damned wizard and nowhere do they tell you how to set it up manually. > > > > Martin Longley > > > 98 as a router? I don't believe it, ME maybe but I guess only if You > have a subnet registered with Your ISP. AFAIK You'll have to buy something > like AVM's KEN to do NAT on 'doze (only to find that its crappy stack just > isn't up to it). > Blow the partition away and put LINUX on, setting-up masquerading > usually is a breeze and it's free (as in beer). It's called Internet sharing on ME and works as long as you stick to the 192.168.0.x IP addresses that it defaults to. Mind you it does have a tendancy to leave the TA on line. Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 01:20:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138640 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 01:20:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974239746:10:03811:14; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:09:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003737; 14 Nov 2000 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05427 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:05:10 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05424 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:05:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13voBB-000KRY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:03:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:39:51 GMT Message-Id: <138617@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation and Impact queery X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro See the 'advanced mail merge' document on the resource files section of the OP web pages on my web site. Or if you have the CD consult the mail merge chapter of the main manual. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 01:20:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138641 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 01:20:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974240034:20:16848:15; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:13:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118323; 14 Nov 2000 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05432 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:05:15 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05429 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:05:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13voBC-000KRY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:03:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:40:38 GMT Message-Id: <138619@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Buffer Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There's been some discussion in recent weeks about the fonts supplied on the OP CD causing the 'Buffer overflow' message from Impression etc. I'm indebted to Chris Manning for pointing out that the cause of this is the GylesSans font. This has 5 levels of directories in it. Rather than the 4 which is often assumed as the maxium. One fix is to shift drag the contents of GylesSans.Outline into GylesSans and then delete the 'Outline' directory. Another is to just get rid of this font. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 01:21:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138645 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 01:20:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974246234:10:08910:14; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:57:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008547; 14 Nov 2000 23:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05859 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:53:52 GMT Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05856 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:53:50 GMT Received: from RPC (userfh02.uk.uudial.com [62.188.22.103]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ACCBE4539 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:52:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:38:33 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression Message-ID: <4A1D778270%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <138572@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138572@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <138572@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Yes, I'd like any examples of Impression loading going wrong. I guess I > just don't know that you can have multilevel lists in Impression. I've used it a few times, but gave up on it. A lot of my ImpPub files are 'tables', but the thing I found annoying was that each occurrence of an emphasis created a new style. I suppose you can't have everything. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 13:45:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138659 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 13:45:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974252112:20:23368:14; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:35:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125874; 15 Nov 2000 1:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06135 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:22:54 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06132 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:22:53 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13vrGX-00012l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:21:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:05:49 GMT Message-Id: <138628@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Something odd on viewing the clipboard X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've just discovered that I have a document that seems to upset the 'view >clipboard' function in OPro. Cutting and pasting seem to work perfectly >OK but if I try and view the clipboard all I get is a large black >rectangle! (Fortunately all my other documents seem OK.) Thats interesting. I'd like to see an example of that. My hunch, based on previous experience, is that the clipboard inherits attributes and maybe its not designed to cope with some of them. So it will be some oddity, like your document has transparent pages. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 13:46:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138676 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 13:46:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974276601:20:08225:14; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:23:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104046; 15 Nov 2000 8:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06978 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:11:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA06975 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:11:01 GMT Received: from userat40.uk.uudial.com (62.188.137.143) [62.188.137.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13vxdV-0005fT-00; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:09:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:59:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Something odd on viewing the clipboard Message-ID: <4a1dbb59c3robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138628@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <138628@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <138628@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I've just discovered that I have a document that seems to upset the > >'view clipboard' function in OPro. Cutting and pasting seem to work > >perfectly OK but if I try and view the clipboard all I get is a large > >black rectangle! (Fortunately all my other documents seem OK.) > Thats interesting. I'd like to see an example of that. > My hunch, based on previous experience, is that the clipboard inherits > attributes and maybe its not designed to cope with some of them. > So it will be some oddity, like your document has transparent pages. > David Pilling Example sent to David by private e-mail. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 13:47:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138677 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 13:47:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974279488:20:29265:18; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:11:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104056; 15 Nov 2000 9:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07130 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:51:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA07127 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:51:24 GMT Received: from userah36.uk.uudial.com (62.188.132.221) [62.188.132.221] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13vyGa-0006as-00; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:50:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:51:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Message-ID: <4a1dc02382steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a1d825dc7martinl@redhotant.com> References: <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4a1d0e5f39martinl@redhotant.com> <7d39401d4a.martinv User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a1d825dc7martinl@redhotant.com>, Martin Longley wrote: > It's called Internet sharing on ME and works as long as you stick to the > 192.168.0.x IP addresses that it defaults to. Mind you it does have a > tendancy to leave the TA on line. You just */knew/* it wouldn't work properly on the first issue didn't you?? :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 14:06:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138687 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 14:06:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974296433:10:12539:14; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:53:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107600; 15 Nov 2000 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07797 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:47:36 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07794 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:47:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13w2tD-000CQg-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:46:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:23:12 GMT Message-Id: <138647@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've used it a few times, but gave up on it. A lot of my ImpPub files are >'tables', but the thing I found annoying was that each occurrence of an >emphasis created a new style. NB all those who think import filters are the greatest thing out. Internally Impression represents effects as styles. It can't go mad with them because it can only handle up to 255. I thought it would be a wish come true to find all your effects turned into styles. It's a lot better to use styles than effects... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 17:38:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138698 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 17:38:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974309666:10:07245:14; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:34:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114778; 15 Nov 2000 17:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08410 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:15:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08407 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:15:03 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13w67z-000MBV-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:13:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:40:30 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow Message-ID: <3ea98d1d4a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <138619@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138619@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <138619@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > There's been some discussion in recent weeks about the fonts supplied > on the OP CD causing the 'Buffer overflow' message from Impression etc. > > I'm indebted to Chris Manning for pointing out that the cause of this is > the GylesSans font. > > This has 5 levels of directories in it. Rather than the 4 which is often > assumed as the maxium. One fix is to shift drag the contents of > GylesSans.Outline into GylesSans and then delete the 'Outline' directory. > Another is to just get rid of this font. Whoo! That's timely. Spent yesterday evening wondering why ProArt24 was generating this error and assumed it couldn't cope with the number of fonts. That's sorted - thanks. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 22:08:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138716 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 22:08:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974312937:20:28435:15; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:28:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114144; 15 Nov 2000 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08615 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:13:07 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07859 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:55:41 GMT Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13w312-0000Jl-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:54:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:43:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Importing Impression Message-ID: <4a1d77fe4fdavid@pandda.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <137304@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <137304@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [David Crofts ] I am alone in finding that screen redraw in OvPro becomes painfully slow when Impression is loaded at the same time as Ovation pro? (Using Risc PC with 128Mb memory in 256 colour mode - my normal setup) David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 22:08:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138719 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 22:08:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974319405:20:21456:14; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:16:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021237; 15 Nov 2000 20:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09021 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:35:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09018 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:35:55 GMT Received: from userel03.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.212) [62.188.13.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13w8KH-00008b-00; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:34:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:54:31 GMT From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow Message-ID: <1870941d4a.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> References: <138619@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138619@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <138619@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > There's been some discussion in recent weeks about the fonts supplied > on the OP CD causing the 'Buffer overflow' message from Impression etc. > > I'm indebted to Chris Manning for pointing out that the cause of this is > the GylesSans font. > > This has 5 levels of directories in it. Rather than the 4 which is often > assumed as the maxium. One fix is to shift drag the contents of > GylesSans.Outline into GylesSans and then delete the 'Outline' directory. > Another is to just get rid of this font. > If this is indeed the case (and I have no reason to doubt it at present) then I apologise for the mis-information I've been posting regarding directory size. It was all posted in good faith and there is a lesson to be learned I suppose. I thought I'd solved the problem by reducing the directory size and it would appear that it was the deleting of the offending font file in the process that solved the problem. Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk A kitten is for life... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 22:08:56 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138724 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 22:08:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974312178:10:27586:14; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:16:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108421; 15 Nov 2000 18:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08618 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:13:10 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08614 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:13:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13w72B-000BeC-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:11:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:53:26 GMT Message-Id: <138707@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Importing Impression X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Non-member submission from [David Crofts ] Tut tut >I am alone in finding that screen redraw in OvPro becomes painfully slow >when Impression is loaded at the same time as Ovation pro? >(Using Risc PC with 128Mb memory in 256 colour mode - my normal setup) Its not my experience. It probably isn't just spite or the fact they don't like one another (which is what is often suggested). Could be something like the an Impression document using different fonts and there then being too many open fonts for the font cache size (fix make it bigger). On pre RISC OS 3.70 machines were polling was slow when applications had a lot of memory Impression was a hazard. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 15 22:09:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138726 for opro ; Wed, 15 Nov 100 22:08:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974316082:10:01916:19; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:21:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001496; 15 Nov 2000 19:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08928 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:20:14 GMT Received: from dervish.mail.pipex.net (dervish.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08925 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:20:12 GMT Received: (qmail 23592 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2000 19:18:52 -0000 Received: from userfa70.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.19.240) by smtp-3.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2000 19:18:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:45:18 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Message-ID: <4A1DF67883%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4a1d0e5f39martinl@redhotant.com> <7d39401d4a.martinv In-Reply-To: <4a1d825dc7martinl@redhotant.com> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a1d825dc7martinl@redhotant.com> Martin Longley wrote: > Martin Vethake wrote: > > 98 as a router? I don't believe it, ME maybe but I guess only if You > > have a subnet registered with Your ISP. AFAIK You'll have to buy > > something like AVM's KEN to do NAT on 'doze (only to find that its crappy > > stack just isn't up to it). [snip] > It's called Internet sharing on ME and works as long as you stick to the > 192.168.0.x IP addresses that it defaults to. Mind you it does have a > tendancy to leave the TA on line. W98 v.2 appears to have this as well, but it creates a boot disk to use on the 'remote' computer. Not much use since I want to use the PC as a gateway for the RPC. Any ideas how I can achieve this? I've had problems with W98 'losing' the network, but it always resets the PC IP Address to 'x=1', which I use for the RPC. Sure I could change the RPC to 2, but that's against my principles. :o) Besides the PC should do as it's told & use the addresses I've assigned. They're in the hosts files for goodness sake! -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Do Micro$oft think trust is something that's been done to a chicken, or to their users? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 01:07:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138747 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 01:07:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974330261:20:01372:14; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:17:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103675; 15 Nov 2000 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09597 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:10:47 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09594 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:10:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13wBfq-000NJS-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:09:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:32:03 GMT Message-Id: <138735@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Slight update from Chris Manning, it is not the directory depth, merely the total length of the font name. (and if you're thinking he is my invisible friend, mad spammers prevent him from posting here). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 01:07:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138748 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 01:07:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974330330:20:05241:15; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:18:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104955; 15 Nov 2000 23:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09602 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:11:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09599 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:11:00 GMT Received: from userfs44.uk.uudial.com (62.188.26.218) [62.188.26.218] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13wBgS-0006rV-00; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:09:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:10:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression Message-ID: <4a1dfe4cc2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138647@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <138647@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <138647@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > It's a lot better to use styles than effects... Something I tried to impress upon a user at work about six months ago, to no avail. They have just had a new manager who wants them to adopt the "corporate style" in use in other departments... Yes, you guessed it, all the procedural documentation needs altering and it's all done using effects. I was asked if there was a "quick way of sorting it out". -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 02:15:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138765 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 02:15:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974337304:20:02951:14; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:15:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002756; 16 Nov 2000 1:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10043 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:09:38 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10039 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:09:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13wDXF-0001mA-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:08:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:14:31 GMT Message-Id: <138744@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Something odd on viewing the clipboard X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Example sent to David by private e-mail. Thanks. The cause of the problem is that the background colour to the principle frame is something like RGGFFFFF00 i.e. a non-standard colour. change it to white and the problem does not occur. Now that is obviously a bug. What I don't know and what is interesting is which version of OP the bug appeared in. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 13:16:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138780 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 13:16:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974361484:20:18307:16; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:58:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121778; 16 Nov 2000 7:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10874 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:47:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA10871 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:47:37 GMT Received: from useraj52.uk.uudial.com (62.188.133.181) [62.188.133.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13wJkP-0000mq-00; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:46:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:34:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Something odd on viewing the clipboard Message-ID: <4a1e3cdf2drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138744@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <138744@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <138744@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Example sent to David by private e-mail. > Thanks. > The cause of the problem is that the background colour to the principle > frame is something like RGGFFFFF00 i.e. a non-standard colour. > change it to white and the problem does not occur. > Now that is obviously a bug. What I don't know and what is interesting > is which version of OP the bug appeared in. > David Piling Thanks, I'll change the background colour. However I had not deliberately set it in the first place! Could it be connected with the fact that the document was originally imported from Impression? (That was before I had added any pictures.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 13:17:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138791 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 13:17:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974364098:10:16424:14; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:41:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101715; 16 Nov 2000 8:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11081 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:40:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA11078 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:40:33 GMT Received: from userfw70.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.132) [62.188.28.132] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13wKZd-0001uw-00; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:39:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow Message-ID: <4a1e424bfdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138735@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <138735@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <138735@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > (and if you're thinking he is my invisible friend, mad spammers > prevent him from posting here). ??????? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 13:17:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138792 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 13:17:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974370878:20:24581:14; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:34:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111978; 16 Nov 2000 10:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11422 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:25:29 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11419 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:25:27 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAGAO2a14283 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:24:03 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id LAA04019 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:26:07 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256999.003A0F41.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:23:27 +0000 Subject: Auto numbering Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have just been playing around with the auto numbering of paragraphs and have found what is probably not a feature. If you use letters as the "number" and have more than 26 paragraphs then it goes from z to ba, bb etc. I would have thought this should go from z to aa, ab etc. The later is what happens in Impression (not to say this is right) so it makes importing go wrong. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 13:17:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138794 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 13:17:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974372118:20:22776:16; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:55:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104107; 16 Nov 2000 10:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11383 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:18:42 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11380 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:18:40 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAGAHDa11476 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:17:14 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id LAA03812 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:19:18 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256999.00396EC9.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:16:37 +0000 Subject: Tab leading characters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have found a problem with the leading character on tabs. It would appear to be using the wrong one in some circumstances Try this:- Create a ruler with 2 tabs and set the leading character for the first tab to 1 and for the second tab to 2. Then using this ruler, enter 2 tabs. You will get a line of '1's followed by a line of '2's. Now on a new line enter some text so it goes past the first tab then enter a tab. You will get the text followed by a line of '1's!! Shouldn't this be a line of '2's? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 13:17:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138797 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 13:17:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974373893:20:17544:17; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:24:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116504; 16 Nov 2000 11:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11706 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:22:41 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11703 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:22:39 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA20031 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:21:16 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:08:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <138572@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 14 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > Yes, I'd like any examples of Impression loading going wrong. > I guess I just don't know that you can have multilevel lists in > Impression. > I have a strange one where the line spacing is wrong in the first two lines of several sections. I have tried removing all effects in Impression before importing it to no avail. The strange thing is that it is also difficult to remove in OvPro because I can't see the cause in any effect or style. I can work around it with some difficulty and save as DDl, otherwise it comes back unpredictably. The other problem I get is when the Imp doc uses repeating frames for auto page numbering. For some reason the repeat frame, containing only current page number has an overflow sign when imported to OvPro. Will send an example to DP. Regards Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 13:18:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138805 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 13:18:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974376384:20:17747:14; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:06:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129255; 16 Nov 2000 12:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11828 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:35:24 GMT Received: from mserv1c.vianw.co.uk (mserv1c.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11825 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:35:21 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 13wNIl-00001d-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:34:00 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:13:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:12:56 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: EPS import Message-ID: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've been playing with the eps import facility (for which much thanks!) and it seems to work fine with the files I've tried it on. However, when I drop an eps file into a frame, I seem to get what looks like a debugging window open on the screen with lines like: Read tag 254 datatype 3 count 1 value/pointer 0 and I then have to click the mouse to make it go away. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 13:18:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138809 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 13:18:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974374593:10:06055:14; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:36:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005688; 16 Nov 2000 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11648 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:11:38 GMT Received: from 195.8.74.207 (baglanit.claranet.co.uk [195.8.74.207]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11645 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:11:36 GMT Received: from jmills (123.200.12.1) by baglan_in.baglanit.org.uk (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:00:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c04fbb$19efd2c0$010cc87b@jmills> From: "John Mills" To: References: <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4a1d0e5f39martinl@redhotant.com> <7d39401d4a.martinv Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:50:57 -0000 Organization: Baglan IT Centre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mik Towse" To: Sent: 15 November 2000 18:45 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R > In article <4a1d825dc7martinl@redhotant.com> Martin Longley wrote: > > Martin Vethake wrote: > > > 98 as a router? I don't believe it, ME maybe but I guess only if You > > > have a subnet registered with Your ISP. AFAIK You'll have to buy > > > something like AVM's KEN to do NAT on 'doze (only to find that its crappy > > > stack just isn't up to it). If this helps... In my work environment, all the PCs are set up behind a corporate firewall. The upshot of this is that I can't connect my RPC directly onto the 'net - I end up going round and round the local Intranet. Solution - I downloaded WinProxy (free) which allows the Win98 machine to act as a proxy to the RPC (both machines sitting on the same network). Just enter the default proxy numbers into (e.g.) Oregano and Robert is your mother's brother. John ============================================= John Mills. Teacher Adviser for ICT Baglan IT Centre (http://www.baglanit.org.uk) j.mills@neath-porttalbot.gov.uk (Win) jmills@centre.baglanit.org.uk (Risc) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 13:18:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138811 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 13:18:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974375440:10:15953:17; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:50:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015835; 16 Nov 2000 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11920 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:47:57 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11917 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:47:55 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAGBkSa13909 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:46:29 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id MAA07246 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:48:33 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256999.00419B46.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:45:53 +0000 Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On Tue 14 Nov, David Pilling wrote: >> Yes, I'd like any examples of Impression loading going wrong. >> I guess I just don't know that you can have multilevel lists in >> Impression. >> > I have a strange one where the line spacing is wrong in the first two lines > of several sections. I have tried removing all effects in Impression before > importing it to no avail. The strange thing is that it is also difficult to > remove in OvPro because I can't see the cause in any effect or style. I can > work around it with some difficulty and save as DDl, otherwise it comes back > unpredictably. I've seen something similar to this. If a style has extra space at the end of a paragraph it doesn't always take effect. I seem to be able to change this by selecting the text and then selecting the Base Style. This seems to change the way the styles are applied. The Base Style cannot be turned off so presumably by selecting it it changes the order the styles are applied. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 15:54:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138833 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 15:54:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974385644:20:06650:37; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:40:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006949; 16 Nov 2000 14:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12523 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:33:00 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12520 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:32:58 GMT Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13wQ4d-0002Ug-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:31:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 5164 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2000 14:31:56 -0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk (143.210.40.54) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 16 Nov 2000 14:31:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:31:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4A1DF67883%mik.towse@xemik.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Space Research Centre, University of Leicester, UK X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 15 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > > It's called Internet sharing on ME and works as long as you stick to the > > 192.168.0.x IP addresses that it defaults to. Mind you it does have a > > tendancy to leave the TA on line. > > W98 v.2 appears to have this as well, but it creates a boot disk to use on > the 'remote' computer. Not much use since I want to use the PC as a > gateway for the RPC. Any ideas how I can achieve this? It insists that your machines are 192.168.0.x, and IIRC that the Win98 gateway machine is 192.168.0.1. If you've already set your network up to use a different scheme, then you're buggered and you'll have to reassign IP addresses if you really want to use Windows' NAT. As far as the RPC setup goes, you just need to make sure the gateway address is that of your Windows box (i.e 192.168.0.1). -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 17:36:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138857 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 17:36:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974392235:10:24966:20; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:30:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024678; 16 Nov 2000 16:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12873 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:28:19 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12867 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:28:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13wRsD-0007J5-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:26:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:22:36 GMT Message-Id: <138855@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Auto numbering X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >then it goes from z to ba, bb etc. >I would have thought this should go from z to aa, ab etc. Thanks. Yes that is a bug. >Now on a new line enter some text so it goes past the first tab >then enter a tab. You will get the text followed by a line of '1's!! >Shouldn't this be a line of '2's? And so is that. (although it came in at 2.57). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 17:36:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138858 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 17:36:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974392924:20:16555:14; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:42:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101561; 16 Nov 2000 16:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13049 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:38:51 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13046 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:38:50 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA10079 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:37:29 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:38:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <80256999.00419B46.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 16 Nov, andy.ling@quantel.com wrote: > > >On Tue 14 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >> Yes, I'd like any examples of Impression loading going wrong. > >> I guess I just don't know that you can have multilevel lists in > >> Impression. > >> > > I have a strange one where the line spacing is wrong in the first two > > lines of several sections. I have tried removing all effects in > > Impression before importing it to no avail. The strange thing is that it > > is also difficult to remove in OvPro because I can't see the cause in any > > effect or style. I can work around it with some difficulty and save as > > DDl, otherwise it comes back unpredictably. > > I've seen something similar to this. If a style has extra space at the end > of a paragraph it doesn't always take effect. I seem to be able to change > this by selecting the text and then selecting the Base Style. This seems to > change the way the styles are applied. The Base Style cannot be turned off > so presumably by selecting it it changes the order the styles are applied. > I don't follow this. In the impression document, the 'Normal' style is always there but is not on the style list so you can't select it. After import into OvPo 'Body Text' is the only style selected. The close spaced lines remain close spaced whether you click on Body Text again or even try to remove all effects and styles. Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 17:36:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138859 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 17:36:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974392334:10:27602:16; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:32:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110802; 16 Nov 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12872 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:28:19 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12866 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:28:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13wRsC-0007J5-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:26:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:19:50 GMT Message-Id: <138853@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, when I drop an eps file into a frame, I seem to get >what looks like a debugging window open on the screen with lines >Read tag 254 datatype 3 count 1 value/pointer 0 The EPS applet uses ChangeFSI to convert any TIFF preview in the EPS into a Sprite. I would guess the above text (or is it an error) is coming from ChangeFSI. The command line in the applet which launches ChangeFSI is set up to dump all text output to null: Things can depend on your version of ChangeFSI. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 17:36:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138861 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 17:36:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974392798:10:10543:24; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:39:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010424; 16 Nov 2000 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13028 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:38:10 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13025 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:38:08 GMT Received: from shelley (lohn-3e36a774.pool.mediaWays.net [62.54.167.116]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09829 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:36:44 +0100 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:35:36 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:35:55 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 16 Nov 2000 17:35:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:35:54 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R Message-ID: References: <138403@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4A1CF4D8C5%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4a1d0e5f39martinl@redhotant.com> <7d39401d4a.martinv <4a1d825dc7martinl@redhotant.com> <4A1DF67883%mik.towse@xemik.com> <001101c04fbb$19efd2c0$010cc87b@jmills> In-Reply-To: <001101c04fbb$19efd2c0$010cc87b@jmills> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 974392563 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <001101c04fbb$19efd2c0$010cc87b@jmills> you wrote: [snip] > In my work environment, all the PCs are set up behind a corporate firewall. > The upshot of this is that I can't connect my RPC directly onto the 'net - I > end up going round and round the local Intranet. Solution - I downloaded > WinProxy (free) which allows the Win98 machine to act as a proxy to the RPC > (both machines sitting on the same network). Just enter the default proxy > numbers into (e.g.) Oregano and Robert is your mother's brother. > The corporate firewall being a win98 clunker? I don't believe it, You'd need a firewall for Your firewall then. Have fun... -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 17:36:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138862 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 17:36:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974394121:20:12961:17; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:02:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118703; 16 Nov 2000 17:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13287 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:59:56 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13284 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:59:53 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAGGwJa05891 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:58:20 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id SAA15894 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:00:26 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256999.005E2780.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:57:41 +0000 Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >> > I have a strange one where the line spacing is wrong in the first two >> > lines of several sections. I have tried removing all effects in >> > Impression before importing it to no avail. The strange thing is that it >> > is also difficult to remove in OvPro because I can't see the cause in any >> > effect or style. I can work around it with some difficulty and save as >> > DDl, otherwise it comes back unpredictably. >> >> I've seen something similar to this. If a style has extra space at the end >> of a paragraph it doesn't always take effect. I seem to be able to change >> this by selecting the text and then selecting the Base Style. This seems to >> change the way the styles are applied. The Base Style cannot be turned off >> so presumably by selecting it it changes the order the styles are applied. >> > I don't follow this. In the impression document, the 'Normal' style is always > there but is not on the style list so you can't select it. After import into > OvPo 'Body Text' is the only style selected. The close spaced lines remain > close spaced whether you click on Body Text again or even try to remove all > effects and styles. I may not have all the names correct as I don't have OPro to hand at the moment, but from memory what I was seeing was something like :- After the document was imported to OPro there was a base style that was applied to everything. It couldn't be removed (i.e. the tick remained regardless of how many clicks). This base style seemed to have most things selected. There was then another style that defined (in my case) a 6pt space at the end of paragraphs. I'm not sure now how these styles related to the ones define in Impression. What I was seeing was, paragraphs with the second style did not have the extra space at the end when the impression document was first imported. If I then selected one of these paragraphs in OPro and clicked on the base style the extra space would appear. All the same styles were ticked before and after this. I haven't had time to investigate this fully so I can't give any foolproof ways of repeating this and I'm not sure if it relates to the problem you are seeing, but it may be worth playing with a bit further. HTH Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 18:42:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138875 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 18:42:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974397473:20:25928:26; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:57:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025636; 16 Nov 2000 17:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13620 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:50:57 GMT Received: from mserv1c.vianw.co.uk (mserv1c.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13617 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:50:55 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 13wTAE-0001L8-00; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:49:34 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:41:31 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:40:51 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS import Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <138853@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <138853@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >However, when I drop an eps file into a frame, I seem to get > >what looks like a debugging window open on the screen with lines > >Read tag 254 datatype 3 count 1 value/pointer 0 > > The EPS applet uses ChangeFSI to convert any TIFF preview in the EPS > into a Sprite. Could be. It doesn't happen if there is no TIFF preview. But it doesn't seem to be an error as such - once I've closed the text window the preview is visible in the frame OK. > I would guess the above text (or > is it an error) > is coming from ChangeFSI. The command line in the applet which > launches ChangeFSI is set up to dump all text output to null: > The window title is something like: .Ovation0.F01 .Ovation0.F02 28r -nomode -noscale Does that confirm that it is ChangeFSI? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 20:52:56 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138884 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 20:52:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974400305:10:10491:16; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:45:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100034; 16 Nov 2000 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13837 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:44:08 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13830 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:44:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13wTzg-000KNc-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:42:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:57:09 GMT Message-Id: <138871@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Both OP and Impression have layered styles and so have to have a 'base style' (called BodyText in OP) which sits under everything else and sets all attributes. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 20:53:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138888 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 20:53:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974401199:10:06030:14; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:59:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124660; 16 Nov 2000 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13878 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:49:02 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13875 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:49:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13wU4T-000KcP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:47:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:45:32 GMT Message-Id: <138880@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes, ChangeFSI. Never was any doubt. Comes back to why isn't null killing it, and is it a version with extra debug code in. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 20:53:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138889 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 20:53:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974402200:10:29858:14; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:16:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029823; 16 Nov 2000 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13979 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:07:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13976 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:07:03 GMT Received: from userey69.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/ba67) [62.188.19.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13wULv-000328-00; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:05:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:24:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Auto numbering Message-ID: <4a1e785ca7rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138855@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <138855@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > >then it goes from z to ba, bb etc. > >I would have thought this should go from z to aa, ab etc. > Thanks. Yes that is a bug. > >Now on a new line enter some text so it goes past the first tab > >then enter a tab. You will get the text followed by a line of '1's!! > >Shouldn't this be a line of '2's? > And so is that. (although it came in at 2.57). On a related subject ... I have a style called Bullet which I made up years ago and lives in the list of styles. But now I can't find where the leader character is defined. It happens to be Alt-143 plus a couple of spaces, but the Leader string in the Tabs box associated with the style is empty. Also, how can I make a multiple bullet tab on one line which puts just one leader character per tab (or I character plus a couple of spaces)? At the moment, if I put Alt-143 plus two spaces and tab more than onece across a line it puts multiple leader strings between tabs and not just one. ie, I want + text + text + text and not + text + + + ++ text + + + + text which I get now. I think I probably don't understand it as much as I should, but Tabs has always been a bugbear for me. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 21:35:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138905 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 21:35:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974409606:10:07021:14; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:20:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112628; 16 Nov 2000 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14438 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:04:31 GMT Received: from sand6.global.net.uk (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14435 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:04:29 GMT Received: from p35s07a03.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.167.54] helo=RPC) by sand6.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13wWD1-00032b-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:04:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:57:09 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression Message-ID: <4A1E7B63FC%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <138647@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a1dfe4cc2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a1dfe4cc2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a1dfe4cc2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > It's a lot better to use styles than effects... > Something I tried to impress upon a user at work about six months ago, to > no avail. I use styles extensively, but I see no merit in using a style instead of an effect to add italics (for example) to /one/ word. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Reality is for people who can't handle computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 22:17:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138908 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 22:17:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974410705:20:25406:16; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:38:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110931; 16 Nov 2000 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14584 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:37:23 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14579 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:37:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13wWhN-0006T2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:36:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:06:56 GMT Message-Id: <138899@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Auto numbering X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >But now I can't find where the leader character is defined. It happens to >be Alt-143 plus a couple of spaces, but the Leader string in the Tabs box >associated with the style is empty. I suppose this is sort of the otherside of the coin of allowing different leaders for each tab. All you can do is select all the tabs and then enter the leader string. >Also, how can I make a multiple bullet tab on one line which puts just >one leader character per tab (or I character plus a couple of spaces)? You can't. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 16 22:17:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138909 for opro ; Thu, 16 Nov 100 22:17:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974410799:20:27945:15; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:39:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112758; 16 Nov 2000 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14589 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:37:33 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14586 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:37:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13wWhT-0006T2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:36:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:08:28 GMT Message-Id: <138901@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Thesaurus problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Today, someone came up with the comment that if you type 'flexible' into the Thesaurus it crashes (don't try this at home, it will corrupt RISC OS too. Attempting to save the Thesaurus data from its icon bar menu gives a less drastic crash for testing purposes). Turns out the 'ThesData' file inside !Thesaurus is corrupt. When I took over, the Ovation Pro resources came from Beebug on a Zip disc, and this is just the latest example of one of them being corrupt. The copy on the Ovation Pro CD is corrupt. The copy on floppies obtained from me is corrupt (i.e. white floppies). If you've got a set of blue floppies from Beebug then you can easily patch your CD copy from them (disc 3). Thesaurus hasn't changed so if you've not installed the CD version, don't. I will put a copy of the correct file on the resources section of the OP web pages later today. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 17 13:25:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138972 for opro ; Fri, 17 Nov 100 13:25:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974449058:20:09018:16; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:17:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008943; 17 Nov 2000 8:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16438 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:14:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16435 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:14:17 GMT Received: from usered32.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.211) [62.188.10.211] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13wgdk-0003dr-00; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:12:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:16:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression Message-ID: <4a1e8d9bf2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A1E7B63FC%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <138647@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a1dfe4cc2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4A1E7B63FC%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4A1E7B63FC%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > In article <4a1dfe4cc2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling wrote: > > David Pilling wrote: > > > It's a lot better to use styles than effects... > > Something I tried to impress upon a user at work about six months ago, > > to no avail. > I use styles extensively, but I see no merit in using a style instead of > an effect to add italics (for example) to /one/ word. Neither do I, however when the document has headings, sub-headings, instruction text etc all of which need to be in different font sizes and have different left margins... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 17 13:25:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA138979 for opro ; Fri, 17 Nov 100 13:25:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974455615:20:23042:16; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110798; 17 Nov 2000 10:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16720 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:04:10 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16717 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:04:03 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust132.tnt10.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.114.132] with SMTP for id LAA01847 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:02:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001101c0507d$185dfa00$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" Subject: Thesaurus problem - OP web pages Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:59:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Nov16, David Pilling wrote: > Turns out the 'ThesData' file inside !Thesaurus is corrupt. > The copy on the Ovation Pro CD is corrupt. > > The copy on floppies obtained from me is corrupt (i.e. white floppies). > > If you've got a set of blue floppies from Beebug then you can easily patch > your CD copy from them (disc 3). Thesaurus hasn't changed so if you've > not installed the CD version, don't. I have all three versions. Seems I have been very lucky the past years, because the copy I had installed on my harddisc and often used was not corrupt. > I will put a copy of the correct file on the resources section of the OP web > pages later today. I have visited the pages and seen, you are updating them. Over the years I had trouble to find out exactly what was new or changed. I can't imagine I was the only one. With the release of Ovation Pro 2.60 and the contents of the web pages on the CD, I really would like to see a line added to everything that you, David, add or change. Starting from 1 October 2000. Something like "2000-11-16 : New" for the Thesaurus. People like me would benefit from such additions: it only takes a 'search' to find what needs updating. It doesn't mean a lot of extra work or time, when October 2000 is used as the starting point, I guess. So I hope David will grant this request. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 17 23:07:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139034 for opro ; Fri, 17 Nov 100 23:07:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974498218:10:19760:14; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:56:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019501; 17 Nov 2000 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18317 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:36:41 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18314 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:36:39 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13wtAF-000Jtf-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:35:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:53:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Thesaurus problem To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <138901@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Thu 16 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > Hi, > > Today, someone came up with the comment that if you type 'flexible' into > the Thesaurus it crashes (don't try this at home, it will corrupt RISC OS > too. Attempting to save the Thesaurus data from its icon bar menu gives a > less drastic crash for testing purposes). > > Turns out the 'ThesData' file inside !Thesaurus is corrupt. > > When I took over, the Ovation Pro resources came from Beebug on a Zip disc, > and this is just the latest example of one of them being corrupt. > > The copy on the Ovation Pro CD is corrupt. > > The copy on floppies obtained from me is corrupt (i.e. white floppies). > > If you've got a set of blue floppies from Beebug then you can easily patch > your CD copy from them (disc 3). Thesaurus hasn't changed so if you've > not installed the CD version, don't. Not necessarily. I'd advise *everyone* to check their copies. I can tell you that Beebug were well aware of this problem when they gave you the disc. I came across this shortly after obtaining OvPro from Beebug and after several exchanges of email with Sheridan Williams during which he sent me replacement ThesData files, he discovered the master copy (possibly the one you now have?) used to make the installation floppies was corrupt and could well have been for some time. Sheridan eventually sent me a ThesData file obtained from the standalone version of !Thesaurus, which had escaped the same fate. I would have expected him to update the master copy at the same time... Regards, Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 18 02:22:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139039 for opro ; Sat, 18 Nov 100 02:22:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974503069:20:29915:14; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:17:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029840; 17 Nov 2000 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18598 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:09:22 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18595 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:09:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13wubx-000HXY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:08:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:13:13 GMT Message-Id: <139028@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Manning (qv) points out that the problem with ChangeFSI printing text whilst EPS files are loaded can be solved by changing the line osclis("wimptask .ChangeFSI "+from+" "+to+" 28r -nomode -noscale { > null: }"); to osclis("wimptask .ChangeFSI "+from+" "+to+" 28r -nomode -noscale <123> > null: }"); in !OEPS.Library.!EPSCode The mistake in this code is that the wrong data is being dumped to null in the original version. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 18 02:45:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139049 for opro ; Sat, 18 Nov 100 02:45:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974514367:10:24263:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 02:26:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102344; 18 Nov 2000 2:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19053 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:25:21 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19050 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:25:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13wxfc-000OBw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 02:24:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:10:42 GMT Message-Id: <139036@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thesaurus problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >replacement ThesData files, he discovered the master copy (possibly the one >you now have?) Interesting. Yes, I actually got several copies of !Theasaurus from them. It was the one on the 2.52 build that was corrupt. I'm guessing, probably all 2.46 disc sets are OK, and once Beebug knew about the problem they patched their master floppies rather than the hard disc master. Anyway the thing on the web is only about 60K and it will either patch the file or tell you, you don't need to patch it. I take back all I've said in the last 24 hours about parallel port Zip drives 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 18 14:19:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139066 for opro ; Sat, 18 Nov 100 14:19:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974540697:10:26815:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:44:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026727; 18 Nov 2000 9:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20412 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:43:33 GMT Received: from mserv1c.vianw.co.uk (mserv1c.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20409 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:43:30 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.65] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 13x4Ve-0002G0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:42:11 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:38:23 +0100 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:37:57 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS import Message-ID: <7de4f1f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139028@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Chris Manning (qv) points out that the problem with ChangeFSI printing text > whilst EPS files are loaded can be solved by changing the line > > osclis("wimptask .ChangeFSI "+from+" "+to+" 28r -nomode -noscale { > null: }"); > > to > > osclis("wimptask .ChangeFSI "+from+" "+to+" 28r -nomode -noscale <123> > null: }"); > > in !OEPS.Library.!EPSCode > > The mistake in this code is that the wrong data is being dumped to null in the original version. > I'm glad you've spotted a mistake because I had run out of options checking I had the latest versions of things. But is there still a typo in the new line of code? When I replace the line as described the situation is worse - the text window opens as before, the text is dumped to it, then the screen switches to mode 0 and I get an hourglass. I've pasted the line in directly from your message. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 18 14:19:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139071 for opro ; Sat, 18 Nov 100 14:19:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974551768:10:01045:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:49:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114660; 18 Nov 2000 12:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20912 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:48:28 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20909 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:48:26 GMT Received: from modem-56.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.56] helo=beeston12) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13x7OZ-0005ZS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:47:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:50:34 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Text flow and Default master page Message-ID: <8280611f4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, I am using OvationPro 2.55 and have the printed manual from BeeBug dated 1996. Yes, I know I should upgrade... I have a document where I have set 3 frames on an A4 page, each occupying about 79mm height and 170 width, with text flow going from the top frame to the middle, then to the bottom. I had expected that when the bottom frame was full or I had pressed control-P a new "page" would appear, also with 3 frames. I was surprised to find this was not so. Referring to the manual, section 3.1 final para "If text fills the DEFAULT MASTER FRAME a new page is added". Section 11.2 explains that opening a new document by clicking on the icon-bar invokes the default master page. It goes on to explain that "all the settings for the default master page can easily be changed at a later stage." Am I right in thinking there is ONLY ONE default master page? What procedure do I follow to make the document with 3 frames carry on to further pages? Yours confusedly, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 18 16:02:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139122 for opro ; Sat, 18 Nov 100 16:02:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974560481:20:11584:15; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:14:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120286; 18 Nov 2000 15:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21453 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:14:34 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21450 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:14:32 GMT Received: from modem-118.florida.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.60.118] helo=orchard-way) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13x9fv-0003RU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:13:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:12:06 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page Message-ID: <6f756e1f4a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <8280611f4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8280611f4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <8280611f4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: Hi, > Dear colleagues, > > I am using OvationPro 2.55 and have the printed manual from BeeBug dated > 1996. Yes, I know I should upgrade... > > I have a document where I have set 3 frames on an A4 page, each occupying > about 79mm height and 170 width, with text flow going from the top frame to > the middle, then to the bottom. I had expected that when the bottom frame > was full or I had pressed control-P a new "page" would appear, also with 3 > frames. I was surprised to find this was not so. If I understand correctly, you may need to change one thing or two. For this to work, the frames need to be defined on the master page, not the first document page. If you have done that, you then need to link the third page back to the first one. somebody will no doubt now correct me... -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 18 16:03:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139124 for opro ; Sat, 18 Nov 100 16:02:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974559656:10:19341:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:00:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123861; 18 Nov 2000 15:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21335 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:59:08 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21330 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:59:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13x9R5-000NgK-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:57:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:24:30 GMT Message-Id: <139096@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >options checking I had the latest versions of things. But is >there still a typo in the new line of code? When I replace the >line as described the situation is worse - the text window opens >as before, the text is dumped to it, then the screen switches to >mode 0 and I get an hourglass. I've pasted the line in directly >from your message. the problem is I can't test this. I have ChangeFSI 1.16 which behaves itself. Which version do you have and where did you get it? Another question is of course which is the latest version of CFSI - 1.16 July '97 sounds bit old. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 18 16:03:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139126 for opro ; Sat, 18 Nov 100 16:03:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974559676:10:20651:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:01:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124234; 18 Nov 2000 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21338 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:59:09 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21334 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:59:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13x9R6-000NgK-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:57:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:27:49 GMT Message-Id: <139098@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a document where I have set 3 frames on an A4 page, each occupying >about 79mm height and 170 width, with text flow going from the top frame to >the middle, then to the bottom. I had expected that when the bottom frame >was full or I had pressed control-P a new "page" would appear, also with 3 >frames. I was surprised to find this was not so. Its not unexpected. Any single frame of finite chain will show this behaviour. >Referring to the manual, section 3.1 final para "If text fills the DEFAULT >MASTER FRAME a new page is added". Section 11.2 explains that opening a new >document by clicking on the icon-bar invokes the default master page. It >goes on to explain that "all the settings for the default master page can >easily be changed at a later stage." >Am I right in thinking there is ONLY ONE default master page? Yes. >What procedure do I follow to make the document with 3 frames carry on to >further pages? Open the master pages, draw your three frames, link them, then link the last to the first. You'll be asked if you want to create an 'autolinked chain'. Select Yes. Close the master pages, and you'll find your three frames, and when the last one fills a new page will be added. Although pages have one (or no) default master frame (aka principle frame), you can set up any number of auto linked chains on the master page which will behave in the same way. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 18 16:03:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139130 for opro ; Sat, 18 Nov 100 16:03:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974562445:20:10820:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:47:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010725; 18 Nov 2000 15:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21716 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:45:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA21713 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:45:24 GMT Received: from usercp55.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.84) [62.188.156.84] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13xA9r-0001vA-00; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:44:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:33:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Thesaurus problem Message-ID: <4a1f706d0fpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Just to mention that I have Thesaurus 1.24, 1993, which came with my original OvPro in August, 1996 (thinks, or did I buy it earlier? I can't remember). It copes with both 'flexible' and export of the data without falling over. BTW how is it possible for it to 'corrupt RISC OS' as David says? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 18 17:28:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139149 for opro ; Sat, 18 Nov 100 17:28:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974564883:10:13063:15; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:28:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121993; 18 Nov 2000 16:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22014 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:27:45 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22011 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:27:43 GMT Received: from modem-108.mendelevium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.70.108] helo=jaycee) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13xAop-00084X-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:26:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:27:38 GMT From: JC To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Thesaurus patch Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is the thesaurus patch which has been mentioned once or twice available to download yet, I have looked on David's pages and unless I am not seeing something it is not on there. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 18 17:28:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139148 for opro ; Sat, 18 Nov 100 17:28:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974563905:20:05244:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:11:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124399; 18 Nov 2000 16:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21900 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:10:59 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21897 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:10:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13xAYc-0000Ox-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:09:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:04:27 GMT Message-Id: <139132@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thesaurus problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >BTW how is it possible for it to 'corrupt RISC OS' as David says? Apparently this remark caused concern. What I meant was that you corrupt the current copy of RISC OS running in memory. In general that is easy, just poke a few random values into a few random locations, which is typical of what some program crashes will do. However after a reset of power on, RISC OS is restored, no problem. So temporary corruption. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:51:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139162 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:51:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974568712:20:13163:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:31:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012895; 18 Nov 2000 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22368 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:30:45 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21612 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:29:56 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.168.239]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001118152837.UYNI283.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:28:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:27:08 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RTF import Message-ID: X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have only just tried using this. I get a Post mortem window when trying to import RTF from Easiwriter or Fireworkz Pro. If I use TransRFT:!Convert at the command line it works ? Anything simple I can change ? -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:51:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139161 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:51:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974568929:10:06505:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:35:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006378; 18 Nov 2000 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22354 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:30:40 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20721 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:30:36 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.170.188]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001118112916.WYXV270.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:29:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:28:18 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Drawn objects and CSV files/tables Message-ID: X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm having trouble findng out whether you can :- 1. Save out anything except imported draw files, as draw files. Eg. Objects drawn in OP or a whole page perhaps ? 2. Whether tables can be produced that are not simply tabbed but a table structure with lines ? I also looked into importing a CSV file to create one but that's no go. Are there any applets to do this ? I have TableMate of course. I'm particularly interested in getting OP and TechWriter to work together to produce a better whole. Anyone else looking at applets doing this ? -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:51:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139163 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:51:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974568980:20:04609:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:36:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004417; 18 Nov 2000 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22470 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:34:50 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22462 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:34:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13xBqg-0003WP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:33:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:30:22 GMT Message-Id: <139157@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thesaurus patch X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes, the Thesuarus patch is available... Home Page -> Catalogue -> Ovation Pro -> Ovation Pro Home Page -> File/Resources -> Program fixes David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:51:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139164 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:51:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974568960:10:09016:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:36:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008870; 18 Nov 2000 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22379 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:31:01 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22375 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:30:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13xBnv-0003Qm-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:29:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:15:28 GMT Message-Id: <139144@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I get a Post mortem window when trying to import RTF from Easiwriter or >Fireworkz Pro. >If I use TransRFT:!Convert at the command line it works ? Probably this is the old thing about the RTF importer having the old !Server file in it. You can get the latest RISC OS 4 compatible one from my web site or from inside the TransIMP loader (if you have the CD). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:51:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139165 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:51:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974569806:20:07328:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:50:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103609; 18 Nov 2000 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22378 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:30:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22370 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:30:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13xBnr-0003Qm-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:29:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:10:53 GMT Message-Id: <139142@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawn objects and CSV files/tables X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. Save out anything except imported draw files, as draw files. > Eg. Objects drawn in OP or a whole page perhaps ? No. >2. Whether tables can be produced that are not simply tabbed > but a table structure with lines ? I also looked > into importing a CSV file to create one but that's no go. If you're looking for rule offs (as in Impression) then again the answer is No. You can use Tablemate, or you can go to the opposite extreme and set up an array of frames (which is slow and messy). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:51:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139166 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:51:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974569000:10:11936:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:36:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113231; 18 Nov 2000 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22362 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:30:43 GMT Received: from rhea.worldonline.nl (rhea.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.139]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20838 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:21:44 GMT Received: from pemwills.worldonline.nl (vp230-143.worldonline.nl [195.241.230.143]) by rhea.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B17E36BD1 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:20:06 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:12:12 +0100 (BST) From: Pierre Willems Subject: help, not working scsicard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Pierre Willems X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Help!! I have a scsi card, 123 host adapter power tec2/3 version 2.01, serialnumber 202021 It works not properly with the Kinetic card. Before the kinetic it was oke. I used it for my scanner epson GT 8500 I hope somebody has a solution or an upgrade for this problem. I tried several times "partis.org uk" but I only get a automatic message of the outbound mailer with the message " prefix the subject with your Usernumber " but where can I get a Usernmumber. -- Pierre Willems De Turfkamp 7 5258 EN Berlicum 073 5032120 E-mail : pemwills@worldonline.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:51:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139170 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:51:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974570673:10:18758:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:04:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018721; 18 Nov 2000 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22412 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:31:52 GMT Received: from mserv1d.vianw.co.uk (mserv1d.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.96]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22409 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:31:48 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.131] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1d.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #36) id 13xBof-0004Z9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:30:17 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:21:54 +0100 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:21:30 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS import Message-ID: <2b4e7a1f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139096@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >options checking I had the latest versions of things. But is > >there still a typo in the new line of code? When I replace the > >line as described the situation is worse - the text window opens > >as before, the text is dumped to it, then the screen switches to > >mode 0 and I get an hourglass. I've pasted the line in directly > >from your message. > > the problem is I can't test this. I have ChangeFSI 1.16 which > behaves itself. Which version do you have and where did you get it? > > Another question is of course which is the latest version of CFSI - > 1.16 July '97 sounds bit old. > Well, I had v 1.12 1.13 and after rooting around managed to find 1.15 - so I'm still a version behind you. The RiscOS Ltd site seems to suggest that 1.16 is the current version. Any idea where I can get it from? DAvid -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:52:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139174 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:52:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974571567:10:01600:15; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:19:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001486; 18 Nov 2000 18:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22373 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:30:49 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21607 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:29:53 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.168.239]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001118152830.UYMX283.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:28:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:46:42 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The CD and importing Impression Message-ID: <5fa75b1f4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <138647@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a1dfe4cc2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4A1E7B63FC%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4a1e8d9bf2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a1e8d9bf2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a1e8d9bf2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <4A1E7B63FC%mik.towse@xemik.com>, > Mik Towse wrote: > > In article <4a1dfe4cc2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling wrote: > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > It's a lot better to use styles than effects... > > > Something I tried to impress upon a user at work about six months ago, > > > to no avail. > > I use styles extensively, but I see no merit in using a style instead of > > an effect to add italics (for example) to /one/ word. > > Neither do I, however when the document has headings, sub-headings, > instruction text etc all of which need to be in different font sizes and > have different left margins... > Terminology here can confuse I think. If you are using an italic emphasis on only one word total in a document then fine. If you are using the emphasis in lots of places then the advantage of a style becomes apparent only if you subsequently decide you want to change that global emphasis. If you are working with a system that allows changes of styles across several documents then the advantage becomes apparent even if there may be only one occurence (or even none) in any particular document. being able to name styles also allows you to give a more suitable name for those coming on board. Eg. you may have a style called "student names" which is only italic but you have a reminder of of when to use it built into the name. Now if you use Techwriter you then have an added problem of terminology because IIRC non-paragraph styles are called emphases ;-) and effects does not occur anywhere in the menu structure. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:52:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139188 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:52:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974580991:10:06028:14; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:56:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005923; 18 Nov 2000 20:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23532 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:55:33 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23529 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:55:31 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust181.tnt28.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.150.181] with SMTP for id VAA13243 (8.8.8/1.3); Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:54:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002d01c051a1$44b2ffe0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <139157@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Thesaurus patch Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:44:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Nov16, David Pilling wrote: > Turns out the 'ThesData' file inside !Thesaurus is corrupt. > The copy on the Ovation Pro CD is corrupt. > > The copy on floppies obtained from me is corrupt (i.e. white floppies). > > If you've got a set of blue floppies from Beebug then you can easily patch > your CD copy from them (disc 3). Thesaurus hasn't changed so if you've > not installed the CD version, don't. I have all three versions. Seems I have been very lucky the past years, because the copy I had installed on my harddisc and often used was not corrupt. > I will put a copy of the correct file on the resources section of the OP web > pages later today. I have visited the pages and seen, you are updating them. Over the years I had trouble to find out exactly what was new or changed. I can't imagine I was the only one. With the release of Ovation Pro 2.60 and the contents of the web pages on the CD, I really would like to see a line added to everything that you, David, add or change. Starting from 1 October 2000. Something like "2000-11-16 : New" for the Thesaurus. People like me would benefit from such additions: it only takes a 'search' to find what needs updating. It doesn't mean a lot of extra work or time, when October 2000 is used as the starting point, I guess. So I hope David will grant this request. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:54:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139238 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:54:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974638729:10:24385:14; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:58:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100708; 19 Nov 2000 12:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25997 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:53:55 GMT Received: from dervish.mail.pipex.net (dervish.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA25994 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:53:53 GMT Received: (qmail 9971 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2000 12:52:30 -0000 Received: from useras99.uk.uudial.com (HELO RiscPC) (62.188.137.103) by smtp-3.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2000 12:52:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roy K.Gillard" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:55:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: EPS import Message-ID: <4a1f77ee44roy.matra@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <139096@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <139096@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <139096@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Another question is of course which is the latest version of CFSI - > 1.16 July '97 sounds bit old. Well that's what I have too, and as far as I know it is the latest version. Regards, Roy -- StrongArm RISCOS Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.roy.matra.ukgateway.net/ email: roy.matra@ukgateway.net (PGP key available) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:54:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139241 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:54:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974641050:20:03316:14; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:37:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002732; 19 Nov 2000 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26154 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:36:36 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26151 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:36:34 GMT Received: from modem-38.leopard-shark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.37.166] helo=modem-38) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13xUcl-0001w5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:35:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:35:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: EPS import Message-ID: <4a1fe96b47rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a1f77ee44roy.matra@ukgateway.net> References: <139096@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a1f77ee44roy.matra@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Roy K.Gillard wrote: > In article <139096@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > Another question is of course which is the latest version of CFSI - > > 1.16 July '97 sounds bit old. > Well that's what I have too, and as far as I know it is the latest > version. It's the latest version, but I don't think it's the most up to date. I think the Rcomp version of 1.15 handles a few more things like progressive JPEGs etc. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:54:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139244 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:54:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974665614:10:08537:14; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:26:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118835; 19 Nov 2000 20:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27249 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:25:16 GMT Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27246 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:25:14 GMT Received: (qmail 2266 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2000 20:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.16.217) by murphys with SMTP; 19 Nov 2000 20:23:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:46:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <8280611f4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 18 Nov, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am using OvationPro 2.55 and have the printed manual from BeeBug dated > 1996. Yes, I know I should upgrade... > > I have a document where I have set 3 frames on an A4 page, each occupying > about 79mm height and 170 width, with text flow going from the top frame to > the middle, then to the bottom. I had expected that when the bottom frame > was full or I had pressed control-P a new "page" would appear, also with 3 > frames. I was surprised to find this was not so. > <> > > What procedure do I follow to make the document with 3 frames carry on to > further pages? > > Yours confusedly, Robin. > I guess others have answered by now, but just in case everyone thinks like that: Are your 3 frames on your master page? If not they need to be, then you link 1 to 2, 2 to 3 and 3 back to 1 to get te effect you seem to be after. Now return to your document page 1 and start adding text to frame 1, extra will flow into frame 2, and then into frame 3. When frame 3 is full the flow will make page 2 with text going into frame 1 of page 2 ... etc. Hope I've made that clear. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:54:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139254 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:54:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974659105:20:07591:15; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:38:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119720; 19 Nov 2000 18:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26971 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:36:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26968 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:36:47 GMT Received: from userce18.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.228) [62.188.151.228] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13xZJH-0003Tl-00; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:35:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:21:13 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: help, not working scsicard Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 18 Nov 2000 (13:12:12 +0100), pemwills@worldonline.nl wrote: > Help!! [snip] > I hope somebody has a solution or an upgrade for this problem. > I tried several times "partis.org uk" but I only get a automatic > message of the outbound mailer with the message " > prefix the subject with your Usernumber " > but where can I get a Usernmumber. I've received several automatic emails from Partis recently regarding the user-number. Apparently on their web site there is a section where you fill in certain details and you are emailed back automatically with your user-number. Unfortunately I've deleted these mails, so the exact details are a bit vague. Hope I've been of help. Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From ssarkar@doctors.org.uk Mon Nov 20 17:55:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139268 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:55:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974720281:10:08346:23; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:38:01 GMT Received: from rhodium.cix.co.uk ([194.153.21.68]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007920; 20 Nov 2000 11:37 GMT Received: from doctors.org.uk (www2.doctors.org.uk [212.35.226.52]) by rhodium.cix.co.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA12426 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:37:41 GMT From: X-Envelope-From: Sender: ssarkar@doctors.org.uk Reply-to: ssarkar@doctors.org.uk To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:36:33 GMT Subject: Re: RTF import, 2 X-Mailer: CWMail Web to Mail Gateway 2.6k, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3a190cc1.203.0@doctors.org.uk> X-User-Info: 138.251.146.120 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>I get a Post mortem window when trying to import RTF from Easiwriter or >>Fireworkz Pro. >>If I use TransRFT:!Convert at the command line it works ? > >Probably this is the old thing about the RTF importer having the old >!Server file in it. You can get the latest RISC OS 4 compatible one >from my web site or from inside the TransIMP loader (if you have the CD). I find that em dashes get missed by transrtf (I looked in side, Easiwriter definitely puts them in) and superscripts crash Ovation, leaving behind its dynamic areas! Sudipta 'Sid' Sark From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:55:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139283 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:55:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974712826:20:02226:16; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:33:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125074; 20 Nov 2000 9:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28916 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:14:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28913 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:14:41 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13xn0t-0009fe-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:13:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:27:03 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.60 CD-R References: <138427@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <138427@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <138427@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >On the subject of CD's. Thanks to Steffen Hubers (author of CD Burn) recent >input, I'll be shipping NT compatible ones in future. > >So thats a little mystery that has now gone away. > Out of interest, what was the problem? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:56:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139290 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:56:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974727225:20:08764:20; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:33:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121805; 20 Nov 2000 13:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29524 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:19:21 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29521 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:19:20 GMT Received: from modem-126.spotted-trigger.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.41.254] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13xqpc-0002Pp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:18:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:00:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Assign macro to Windows keys Message-ID: <4a205f17f7rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have a windows type keyboard with the extra keys on each side of the keyboard - the windows key on both sides and the menu key on the right. If I open the Macros window and select Key...New, pressing the Windows or menu keys puts Act and a Ctrl sign in the key window. However, clicking on OK gives an error message 'Bad macro name'. As OP seems to recognise these keys, is it possible for them to be used as macros? It would give me a couple of extra close together key presses that can be done with one hand. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 17:56:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139293 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 17:56:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974731237:20:23047:14; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:40:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129166; 20 Nov 2000 14:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29800 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:35:25 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29797 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:35:23 GMT Received: from usercp72.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.101) [62.188.156.101] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13xs1D-0004vY-00; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:34:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Gooding To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:23:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Printer missing parts of text lines Message-ID: <4a2071b648ian.gooding@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have a document created as A5 pages, originally printed using the Pamphlet mode - great. Even when I printed spot colour separations, which are away being printed at the moment. Now I want to print the same document onto A4 paper, so have set Fit (auto to 133%) and Centre. Now when I print to an Epson Photo700, parts of lines of text are missing when using the 720 dpi mode. For example, the bottom 20% of the first line of text on a page. I'm using GillSans 12point, black spot colour foreground, transparent background, Kern 15, before 0pt, after 6pt, leading 15%, so there shouldn't be a problem with the text bounding boxes overlapping. This looks like a PDF problem, but one I haven't ever had before. I'm using !Printers 1.64 and the Epson Stylus Colour 400 driver. Have tried with the latest Photo700, and with Stylus Colour 600 drivers, with identical results. Printing works fine in 360dpi mode (but too low quality for me to want to use it), and in 1440dpi mode (but the printer doesn't leave clean edges to the black text). I mention this because though I've used this print mode before, and it's always worked OK, I've never tried it from OvPro, being a relative newcomer to the package. Anyone else met this one, or something similar? I've also tried printing the black separation to a PS2 laser, and the colour seperation on the Epson. Not so easy as the pages don't line up and it isn't easy to work out exactly what combination of Scale, Aspect, X and Y are needed to make them align more closely. Help! :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 22:45:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139332 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 22:45:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974748842:20:17388:14; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:34:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016954; 20 Nov 2000 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30397 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:27:19 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30394 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:27:16 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13xwZh-000ABj-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:25:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:45:04 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS import Message-ID: <39490b204a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <139096@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a1f77ee44roy.matra@ukgateway.net> <4a1fe96b47rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a1fe96b47rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a1fe96b47rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > Roy K.Gillard wrote: > > In article <139096@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > Another question is of course which is the latest version of CFSI - > > > 1.16 July '97 sounds bit old. > > > Well that's what I have too, and as far as I know it is the latest > > version. > > It's the latest version, but I don't think it's the most up to date. I > think the Rcomp version of 1.15 handles a few more things like > progressive JPEGs etc. As you say, the latest (chronologically at least) version of CFSI is 1.15RC from RComp dated 21 Oct 1997. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 20 22:46:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139340 for opro ; Mon, 20 Nov 100 22:45:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974750893:10:18596:15; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:08:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119061; 20 Nov 2000 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30525 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:54:11 GMT Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30522 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:54:10 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-79.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.79]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:52:45 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:45:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Drawn objects and CSV files/tables To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 18 Nov, Colin McQueen wrote: > > I'm particularly interested in getting OP and TechWriter to work > together to produce a better whole. Anyone else looking at applets > doing this ? > This would/will be a lot easier if/when Techwriter has a script language. (Users have asked for a Perl interface, but it does not yet exist.) But you can of course use the TW 'Save as Draw' option to do a lot of things, e.g. have equations or tables in OvPro. But obviously they are not then editable. BTW on the subject of general applets, one thing I intended to do but have never got around to is to have an applet to invoke a Perl script on a selection of OvPro text. One could then do fancy things with, for example, Perl's associative arrays. Any applet fiends fancy having a go? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 21 02:33:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139354 for opro ; Tue, 21 Nov 100 02:33:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974760604:10:16324:14; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:50:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110206; 20 Nov 2000 22:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30962 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:47:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23269 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:48:02 GMT Received: from witheridge.demon.co.uk ([194.222.148.56]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13xD0d-000IPW-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:46:44 +0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: help, not working scsicard Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:47:57 +0000 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA23270 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:12:12 +0100 (BST), you wrote: >I have a scsi card, 123 host adapter power tec2/3 version 2.01, serialnumber 202021 >It works not properly with the Kinetic card. >Before the kinetic it was oke. >I used it for my scanner epson GT 8500 Probably not the same cause as you, but I had a similar problem with a Castle SCSI card so I will describe it in case it is helpful to anyone. I have an internal SCSI hard drive and two external devices: a Canon scanner and a Jaz drive. After fitting a Kinetic card I started getting problems with the scanner and the Jaz drive. After talking with Castle at the recent show, the problem was solved: I had inadvertently set the Terminate-on-card option as ON. It should be set to OFF if both internal and external devices connected to the card. This did not surface as a problem until the Kinetic card was fitted. Very simple fix but improved life a lot for me. Many thanks to Castle for the advice. Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 21 02:33:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139357 for opro ; Tue, 21 Nov 100 02:33:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974760626:10:18379:18; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:50:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018232; 20 Nov 2000 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30972 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:47:24 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26940 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:28:42 GMT Received: from southfrm.demon.co.uk ([158.152.159.240] helo=localhost) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13xZBS-000MCk-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:27:23 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:46:32 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: help, not working scsicard Message-ID: <968e9d1f4a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Cale, Wilts (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Pierre Willems wrote: > > > Help!! > I have a scsi card, 123 host adapter power tec2/3 version 2.01, serialnumber 202021 > It works not properly with the Kinetic card. > Before the kinetic it was oke. > I used it for my scanner epson GT 8500 > I hope somebody has a solution or an upgrade for this problem. > I tried several times "partis.org uk" but I only get a automatic > message of the outbound mailer with the message " > prefix the subject with your Usernumber " > but where can I get a Usernmumber. > Perhaps you did not see this announcement by Partis Computing: > > From: Partis Tech Support > To: dgporter@argonet.co.uk > Subject: Kinetic CPU Card and Consequential Loss of DMA Client > Services > Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:15:00 > Source: PowerTec > > This message has been posted to CSA.Hardware, Power-tec Announce and > Power-tec Chat mailing lists. > > Castle have done an excellent job with their new CPU upgrade card but > has the side effect that DMA is not operative on the high access > speed memory. > > As a supplier of DMA based systems this has an impact on our systems > as well as other suppliers DMA based hardware (SCSI, IDE, video > capture etc). > > Some hardware circumnavigated this problem unintentially by using > 32bit PIO instead of DMA but this is a hardware level implentation > and not an easy 'in field' fix. > > Ultimately, Castle and RISC OS need to modify the DMA module within > RISC OS to allow DMA APIs to be operative if only to allow DMA to > motherboard DRAM and copy the results to the CPU card DRAM. > > As the DMA module is part of the operating system and as such ought > to provide client services irrespective of new hardware added by > third parties, then this module needs changed instead of each client > module being modifed by many suppliers. > > One fix in the DMA module will save many fixes in many suppliers > modules. > > This is of course our feelings on the situation and we believe most > other DMA client system providers will feel the same. > > Users of our V1.00 and V1.01 SCSI cards will feel the impact of this > situation worse than most due to the fact that these cards were > initially aimed at RiscPC users (ie using DMA), but later cards (V2 > and V3) had fast PIO included at hardware level. > > We believe that Castle and/or RISC OS will modify the DMA module and > the problem will disappear. > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- > Gary Partis, Partis Computing - Specialists in Data Storage Sales : > sales@partis.org.uk Support : tech@partis.org.uk Web : > http://www.partis.org.uk > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 21 02:33:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139359 for opro ; Tue, 21 Nov 100 02:33:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974760637:10:19362:14; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:50:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018891; 20 Nov 2000 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30967 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:47:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23810 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:29:32 GMT Received: from userek10.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.120) [62.188.13.120] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13xGSx-0004iV-00; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:28:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:24:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: help, not working scsicard Message-ID: <4a1f961667dgporter@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Pierre Willems wrote: > Help!! I have a scsi card, 123 host adapter power tec2/3 version > 2.01, serialnumber 202021 It works not properly with the Kinetic > card. Before the kinetic it was oke. I used it for my scanner epson > GT 8500 I hope somebody has a solution or an upgrade for this > problem. Try *Unplug DMAManager. This works for me. Hard disc access is a bit slow but my Epson GT8500 works perfectly. > I tried several times "partis.org uk" but I only get a automatic > message of the outbound mailer with the message " prefix the > subject with your Usernumber " but where can I get a Usernmumber. You only get a 'UserNumber' if you pay for technical support. I pay for technical support and haven't had any response either. I have no idea what is going on with Partis. I am beginning to suspect that I may have to dump my PowerTec card and replace it with something that WILL work with the Kinetic card. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 21 15:49:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139403 for opro ; Tue, 21 Nov 100 15:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974797499:20:26395:16; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:04:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025623; 21 Nov 2000 9:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00355 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:48:22 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00352 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:48:19 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAL8l1213648 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:47:01 GMT Received: from bashley ([137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id eAL8l1215883 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:47:01 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Assign macro to Windows keys Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:44:22 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <139378@pilling.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > And, what are those two Windows keys called? > > Since we'd need a name for the macro. In the Windows API they have virtual key codes as follows: VK_LWIN Left Windows key (Microsoft keyboard) VK_RWIN Right Windows key (Microsoft keyboard) VK_APPS Applications key (Microsoft keyboard) FYI if you don't do Windows, the 'Windows' keys have the legend of the MS Windows logo and open the Start menu (akin to Director on RISC OS), whilst the 'Apps' key has the legend of a menu, and usually produces a context-sensitive menu (equivalent to a right-click in Windows, or a menu/middle-click in RISC OS). Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 21 15:49:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139406 for opro ; Tue, 21 Nov 100 15:49:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974777590:10:09661:14; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:33:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009162; 21 Nov 2000 3:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32002 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:29:54 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31996 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:29:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13y46i-000Jgs-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:28:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:20:36 GMT Message-Id: <139378@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Assign macro to Windows keys X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro And, what are those two Windows keys called? Since we'd need a name for the macro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 21 15:49:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139410 for opro ; Tue, 21 Nov 100 15:49:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974783812:10:28461:14; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 05:16:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102002; 21 Nov 2000 5:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA32388 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:12:26 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32385 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:12:24 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13y5hv-000ABs-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 05:11:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: OvPro mailing list Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 05:09:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OvPro DDL and widow/orphan control Message-ID: <4a20c2d753Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm planning to write a program which generates a long document in DDL. I hope to append that to a sort of DDL header which defines the actual styles (if any) that the final document will use - I'm unsure at the moment whether it might be simpler simply to use a single style and then implement all changes from that with local DDL commands, or whether I'll try to define styles then apply them... a) is there any documentation (at all) that describes the format of DDL (I have asked this quite a while ago, well before the 2.60 CD came out; if there is doc and it's on the CD perhaps someone could tell me where). I've read that DDL (like RTF) is an 'open' system - which sort-of suggests that there might be a spec or doc of it somewhere. I realise that I can learn a lot by saving sample files as DDL and then looking at them - but really I'm hoping to find a page or two of DDL element descriptions! b) in absence of that, some time ago DP told me that things like: {bold 1} and {bold 0} switch bold on/off, but there's also plain {bold} and I'm not sure what that does. c) is there any way (in a style) or through an explicit DDL command to ask OP to do a paage break conditionally - for example to go to a new page if there's less than 3" of space on the current page? Can I force the new page to be even/odd as I require? d) if I can't do (c) is there a way to indicate to OP that (if possible) certain elements of text should be kept together? e) is there a DDL thing that allows me to reserve space (eg for a picture that will be plugged in later), eg as {space 200pt} or do I need to include DDL that points, say, at an external picture and let OP calculate its size etc? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 21 19:08:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139459 for opro ; Tue, 21 Nov 100 19:08:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974833185:10:03143:14; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:59:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106504; 21 Nov 2000 18:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01548 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:45:39 GMT Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01268 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:10:57 GMT Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.192.199]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G4DU7G01.UNE for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:09:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:07:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Subject: French To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg, Nederland X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, Out of topic, I know, but someone knows the name of the PC-equivalent for the font 'French'? Thanks, Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 21 19:08:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139460 for opro ; Tue, 21 Nov 100 19:08:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974833193:10:03200:29; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:59:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107960; 21 Nov 2000 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01553 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:45:43 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01550 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:45:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13yIOy-000C8N-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:44:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:18:42 GMT Message-Id: <139440@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro DDL and widow/orphan control X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >a) is there any documentation (at all) that describes the format of DDL No. >b) in absence of that, some time ago DP told me that things like: > {bold 1} and {bold 0} switch bold on/off, but there's also plain > {bold} and I'm not sure what that does. Consider that in general in text you will have a number of style layers with the effects on top. An effect of {bold} means let the bold setting be whatever the styles below specify. {bold 0} means force bold off, and {bold 1} means force bold on. >c) is there any way (in a style) or through an explicit DDL command > to ask OP to do a paage break conditionally - for example to go to > a new page if there's less than 3" of space on the current page? No. > Can I force the new page to be even/odd as I require? No. >d) if I can't do (c) is there a way to indicate to OP that (if possible) > certain elements of text should be kept together? No. >e) is there a DDL thing that allows me to reserve space (eg for a > picture that will be plugged in later), eg as {space 200pt} or > do I need to include DDL that points, say, at an external picture > and let OP calculate its size etc? You can create picture frames with no content, and embed them in the text. One point is that creating a document from scratch you have a slightly different problem to OPro saving a document as DDL. OPro knows how many pages the formatted text will take up, and so can put in {page} commands to make new pages, that allows it to create fixed frames on those pages. I'd also point out that OPro (and DDL in particular) supports various sorts of widow and orphans commands, the problem is that they're not actually implemented yet. So with an eye to the future you could output these. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 21 19:08:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139461 for opro ; Tue, 21 Nov 100 19:08:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974833279:10:05846:14; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:01:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114507; 21 Nov 2000 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01642 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:59:36 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01638 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:59:34 GMT Received: from goatly ([194.117.149.218]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:59:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:54:29 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: French Message-ID: <9953e214a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Out of topic, I know, but someone knows the name of the PC-equivalent > for the font 'French'? I always knew I was right to hoard those old EFF catalogues! The 1990 catalogue gives the 'PC' equivalent as ITC Lubalin Graph; French disappears from later catalogues, to be replaced by ITC Lubalin Graph itself. HTH. Bruce Goatly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 22 01:34:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139498 for opro ; Wed, 22 Nov 100 01:34:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974848451:20:08033:14; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:14:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122459; 21 Nov 2000 23:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02327 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:40:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02324 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:40:06 GMT Received: from userbo24.uk.uudial.com (62.188.145.174) [62.188.145.174] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13yM3n-0005F7-00; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:38:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:33:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvPro DDL and widow/orphan control Message-ID: <4a21176e6bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139440@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <139440@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <139440@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > >c) is there any way (in a style) or through an explicit DDL command > > to ask OP to do a paage break conditionally - for example to go to > > a new page if there's less than 3" of space on the current page? [snip] > >d) if I can't do (c) is there a way to indicate to OP that (if possible) > > certain elements of text should be kept together? > No. What's all this about then? {keeplines 0 0} {keeppara 0} {keepnext 0} Or should that read, "No, not at the moment"? > >e) is there a DDL thing that allows me to reserve space (eg for a > > picture that will be plugged in later), eg as {space 200pt} or > > do I need to include DDL that points, say, at an external picture > > and let OP calculate its size etc? > I'd also point out that OPro (and DDL in particular) supports various > sorts of widow and orphans commands, the problem is that they're not > actually implemented yet. So with an eye to the future you could output > these. Ah, yes - "No, not at the moment" More development work, whip, drive, whip... ;-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 22 01:35:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139501 for opro ; Wed, 22 Nov 100 01:35:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974852779:10:22578:14; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:26:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110876; 22 Nov 2000 0:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02553 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:59:06 GMT Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02550 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:59:05 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (s340-modem3018.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.171.202]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA04425 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:57:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:07:17 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: French To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA02551 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB02553 On Tue 21 Nov, Tekst & Uitleg wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Out of topic, I know, but someone knows the name of the PC-equivalent > for the font 'French'? Rockwell?? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 22 14:44:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139513 for opro ; Wed, 22 Nov 100 14:44:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974873758:10:17646:14; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:15:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017471; 22 Nov 2000 6:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03335 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:48:09 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03332 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:48:07 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13ySk3-000AQA-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:46:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:37:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvPro DDL and widow/orphan control Message-ID: <4a21492be2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139440@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <139440@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >a) is there any documentation (at all) that describes the format of DDL > No. > >b) in absence of that, some time ago DP told me that things like: > > {bold 1} and {bold 0} switch bold on/off, but there's also plain > > {bold} and I'm not sure what that does. > Consider that in general in text you will have a number of style layers with > the effects on top. An effect of {bold} means let the bold setting be > whatever the styles below specify. {bold 0} means force bold off, > and {bold 1} means force bold on. Then, is {bold} any different from omitting that {bold} element? > You can create picture frames with no content, and embed them in the > text. OK > One point is that creating a document from scratch you have a slightly > different problem to OPro saving a document as DDL. OPro knows how many > pages the formatted text will take up, and so can put in {page} > commands to make new pages, that allows it to create fixed frames on > those pages. ...whereas in my case, OP won't know where page breaks are until it lays out the text (for the first time) as it imports the DDL file. This (if I'm right) is why I wanted to be able to insert something to force a page break. I don't suppose that comes as a by-product of any aspect of a pre-defined style? - eg a bit like a H0 tag in HTML ? > I'd also point out that OPro (and DDL in particular) supports various > sorts of widow and orphans commands, the problem is that they're not > actually implemented yet. So with an eye to the future you could output > these. Hooray - I suppose I could - if you told me what they were and how it is intended that they will work...? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 22 14:45:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139516 for opro ; Wed, 22 Nov 100 14:44:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974885492:20:10993:14; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:31:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010436; 22 Nov 2000 9:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03962 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:28:57 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03959 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:28:55 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAM9RWL19713 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:27:33 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id KAA19999 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:29:43 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025699F.0034E90F.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:26:41 +0000 Subject: Re: OvPro DDL and widow/orphan control Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> >b) in absence of that, some time ago DP told me that things like: >> > {bold 1} and {bold 0} switch bold on/off, but there's also plain >> > {bold} and I'm not sure what that does. >> Consider that in general in text you will have a number of style layers with >> the effects on top. An effect of {bold} means let the bold setting be >> whatever the styles below specify. {bold 0} means force bold off, >> and {bold 1} means force bold on. > Then, is {bold} any different from omitting that {bold} element? Presumably what {bold} does is restore things to what they were before explicitly turning bold on or off with {bold 1} or {bold 0}. So you would use something like. {bold 1} text in bold {bold} text with bold defined by the style {bold 0} text with bold off {bold} back to the style HTH Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 22 14:45:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139515 for opro ; Wed, 22 Nov 100 14:44:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974875518:10:26115:14; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:45:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107828; 22 Nov 2000 6:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03457 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:20:24 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03454 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:20:22 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13yTFF-000BI1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:19:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: OvPro mailing list Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvPro DDL and widow/orphan control Message-ID: <4a214cf741Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a21492be2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <139440@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a21492be2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 22 Nov, Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk wrote: > On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >a) is there any documentation (at all) that describes the format of > > >DDL > > No. > > >b) in absence of that, some time ago DP told me that things like: > > > {bold 1} and {bold 0} switch bold on/off, but there's also plain > > > {bold} and I'm not sure what that does. > > Consider that in general in text you will have a number of style > > layers with the effects on top. An effect of {bold} means let the > > bold setting be whatever the styles below specify. {bold 0} means > > force bold off, and {bold 1} means force bold on. > Then, is {bold} any different from omitting that {bold} element? > > You can create picture frames with no content, and embed them in the > > text. > OK > > One point is that creating a document from scratch you have a > > slightly different problem to OPro saving a document as DDL. OPro > > knows how many pages the formatted text will take up, and so can put > > in {page} commands to make new pages, that allows it to create fixed > > frames on those pages. > ...whereas in my case, OP won't know where page breaks are until it > lays out the text (for the first time) as it imports the DDL file. > This (if I'm right) is why I wanted to be able to insert something to > force a page break. I don't suppose that comes as a by-product of any > aspect of a pre-defined style? - eg a bit like a H0 tag in HTML ? I should clarify that (having lain in bed for 10 minutes or so contemplating what I'd just typed) I think I've confused what you said. Presumably there is an explicit {newpage} or whatever DDL element, but it's the conditional inclusion of such a thing that I can't do? I don't know enough about Applets but I assume there is some way of using them so that if I imbed some "invisible" sequence of characters in a document that after that doc has loaded I can use an applet to scan thru the doc and replace those chars either with spaces (say) or with a page break and spaces (or whatever). That would achieve what I want I think, but is it possible - do applets have access to location information for where the text under applet control is being placed? Do applets work in this manner, or are those that are enabled always active? What I mean is, do I explicitly invoke such an applet when I want the scan-for-possible-new-pages to occur, or will it, being already active, happen as the document load occurs? Are there any existing applets that do anything like this whose code I should take a close look at? I'm assuming that cross-reference applets might have relevant things (as I'm assuming that they convert some sort of embedded reference-request into text like "see fig 176b on page 987") which would mean that they had to find a marker, find it was on page 987, find the reference and then insert the see-fig text. It's always struck me that a potential problem there is that by inserting the see-fig text you potentially change the document layout which might mean that the referred-to text is no longer on the page you thought you'd just found it on... One problem here is that really I'm trying to achieve the sort of thing that I've previously done in a Tex/Latex-like manner by writing my own macros to perform my own logic at certain points in the doc, and I doubt if applets are intended to permit the same flexibility in a WYSIWYG DTP package which is presumably written under the assumption that the *user* will explicitly change layout if required. Previously I've written multi-pass filters that located and stored (in temp files) snippets of text that were identified in the original document, then on a subsequent pass reloaded those snippets and additional macros into the original document, so that what then goes into the formatting process has been substantially added to by the 2-pass pre-process code. > > I'd also point out that OPro (and DDL in particular) supports various > > sorts of widow and orphans commands, the problem is that they're not > > actually implemented yet. So with an eye to the future you could > > output these. > Hooray - I suppose I could - if you told me what they were and how it is > intended that they will work...? Back to bed now... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 22 19:19:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139571 for opro ; Wed, 22 Nov 100 19:19:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974917774:20:25753:23; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:29:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119637; 22 Nov 2000 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05129 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:25:18 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05126 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:25:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13yeYo-000OT6-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:23:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <139558@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro DDL and widow/orphan control X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I should clarify that (having lain in bed for 10 minutes or so >contemplating what I'd just typed) I think I've confused what you said. >Presumably there is an explicit {newpage} or whatever DDL element, but >it's the conditional inclusion of such a thing that I can't do? Yes, of course you can force a new page in a text story. >document that after that doc has loaded I can use an applet to scan thru >the doc and replace those chars either with spaces (say) or with a page >break and spaces (or whatever). That would achieve what I want I think, >but is it possible - do applets have access to location information for >where the text under applet control is being placed? Yes you could do that. I suppose OPro DDL is much akin to TeX. The real problem is the lack of widows and orphan control. Now someone could write an applet which did that. >Back to bed now... Tragic victim of the lack of a decent RISC OS lap top. (which you could use in bed) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 22 22:08:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139589 for opro ; Wed, 22 Nov 100 22:08:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974927506:10:13274:14; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:11:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109614; 22 Nov 2000 21:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05563 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:06:38 GMT Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05560 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:06:36 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13yh4u-0006Lm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:05:16 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:04:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:04:23 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Chapter starts Message-ID: <4de9e214a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R When you start a new chapter you have to specify whether it should start on the left hand page or the right hand page. Is it possible to specify 'don't care', like you can with page numbers, so that the chapter just runs on from the previous chapter whether right or left? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 03:41:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139603 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 03:41:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974934679:20:22312:15; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:11:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021993; 22 Nov 2000 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05925 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:10:10 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05922 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:10:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13yizf-000Hmg-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:08:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:10:18 GMT Message-Id: <139590@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Chapter starts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When you start a new chapter you have to specify whether it >should start on the left hand page or the right hand page. Is it >possible to specify 'don't care' No, and for a reason. If you had a 'don't care' setting, then typing a bit of text in one chapter could produce an extra page which could make the next chapter change 'hand'. In general that would mean updating the rest of the document from the master pages, a great deal of work. I have wondered if there should be a global facility to make the chapter start's follow on after the last page of the previous chapter. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 03:41:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139605 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 03:41:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974934790:20:27253:16; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:13:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111119; 22 Nov 2000 23:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05897 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:08:27 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05894 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:08:25 GMT Received: from modem-81.annuminas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.116.209] helo=localhost) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13yiyo-0006oA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:07:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:55:54 GMT From: Sam Campbell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: lotus word-pro Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just received mail with attachments which are lotus word-pro documents. Is there any way to read them with OvPro? -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 13:26:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139644 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 13:26:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974969231:10:28880:14; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:47:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101077; 23 Nov 2000 8:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07260 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:43:29 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07257 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:43:26 GMT Received: from modem-112.massachusetts.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.72.112] helo=jaycee) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13yrxG-0006KO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:42:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:41:52 GMT From: JC To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvPro and memory use Message-ID: <5ee9dd214a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro When I load a document which can be up to about 5Mb but is currently about 2Mb and scroll through it OvPro appears to keep loading information from my drive. Having just suffered a hard drive crash but which was successfully recovered, this is not something I am keen on, apart from the fact that it is also terribly slow which rather negates any benefits of having a kinetic card. Is this actually the case or am I imaginging it, if it is, is there some way you can tell OvPro to hold its document completely in memory. my supplementary is - if you embed and object which is wider than the column width, you not only lose the object but also all the text after it, can you not set it so that the embedded object is scaled to fit the column; I appreciate you can scale the object before embedding it but my memory is not what it was and it is really annoying to have to keep reloading a document and re-doing the work you may have done since the last save. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 13:26:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139646 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 13:26:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974971201:10:12635:16; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:20:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103909; 23 Nov 2000 9:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07389 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:16:32 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07386 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:16:30 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAN9F7E01192 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:15:08 GMT Received: from bashley ([137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id eAN9F7M26388 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:15:07 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Chapter starts Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:12:59 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <139590@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >When you start a new chapter you have to specify whether it > >should start on the left hand page or the right hand page. Is it > >possible to specify 'don't care' > > No, and for a reason. If you had a 'don't care' setting, then typing a bit > of text in one chapter could produce an extra page which could > make the next > chapter change 'hand'. In general that would mean updating the rest of the > document from the master pages, a great deal of work. > > I have wondered if there should be a global facility to make the chapter > start's follow on after the last page of the previous chapter. I've wished for myself for something like that quite a few times before. I use chapters to create 'sections' in documents with different page structures as well as for 'chapters' in the traditional sense. One simple document template has four chapters, for contents (1 column), introductory text (2 cols), biographical notes (2 cols) and listings (4 cols). I want to keep the first two starting on right pages, but run the last two chapters together. For this, I currently have to do a manual alteration of the fourth chapter depending on where the third chapter ends. If facing pages is turned off (e.g. if I've saved as DDL to tidy up some minor corruption), then this can be all too easy to miss. David G's suggestion of a "follow-on" type would be a good solution. Unfortunately, a global follow-on like you suggest would mean I'd still have to check and perhaps insert pages manually at the end of the first two chapters. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 13:26:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139649 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 13:26:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974980035:20:01346:16; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:47:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000962; 23 Nov 2000 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07926 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:40:39 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07923 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:40:35 GMT Received: from shelley (lohn-3e36a778.pool.mediaWays.net [62.54.167.120]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13417 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:39:11 +0100 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:43:06 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:43:55 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 23 Nov 2000 10:43:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:43:51 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro and memory use Message-ID: References: <5ee9dd214a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5ee9dd214a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 974979519 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <5ee9dd214a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > When I load a document which can be up to about 5Mb but is currently > about 2Mb and scroll through it OvPro appears to keep loading > information from my drive. Having just suffered a hard drive crash but > which was successfully recovered, this is not something I am keen on, > apart from the fact that it is also terribly slow which rather > negates any benefits of having a kinetic card. > I'd rather think You have Your FontCache sub-optimal, i.e. too small. [snip] Have fun... -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 13:26:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139650 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 13:26:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974973396:10:27183:19; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:56:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113450; 23 Nov 2000 9:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07555 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:50:23 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07552 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:50:21 GMT Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13yt04-0002f2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:49:04 +0000 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11469 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:49:02 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:43:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Chapter starts Message-ID: <4a21e3888eC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <139590@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Nick Kaijaks wrote: > David G's suggestion of a "follow-on" type would be a good > solution. Unfortunately, a global follow-on like you suggest would > mean I'd still have to check and perhaps insert pages manually at > the end of the first two chapters. What you are really asking for is for each chapter to have a flag - start left, start right, start by following on. Any more additions? -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 13:27:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139659 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 13:27:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974985546:20:02028:14; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:19:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001963; 23 Nov 2000 13:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08228 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:14:49 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08225 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:14:38 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust245.tnt28.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.150.245] with SMTP for id OAA09682 (8.8.8/1.3); Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:13:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002401c0554e$b275d290$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <139590@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a21e3888eC.A.Johnson@hw.ac Subject: Re: Chapter starts Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:09:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu, Nov 23, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > > David G's suggestion of a "follow-on" type would be a good > > solution. Unfortunately, a global follow-on like you suggest would > > mean I'd still have to check and perhaps insert pages manually at > > the end of the first two chapters. > > What you are really asking for is for each chapter to have a flag - > start left, start right, start by following on. > > Any more additions? Maybe an option that let the local frames in a chapter behave as 'grouped to one of the master frames (header or main frame) ', when the start left or start right (or any other thing, maybe like scaling) has to be changed. In my opinion all local frames behave that way as if they were nested, like in the first Ovation, relatively positioned to the master frame and each other. At the moment, even when I make a master frame local, 'I' can't let it take part of a group. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 17:49:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139690 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 17:49:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974993761:10:14712:14; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:36:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104254; 23 Nov 2000 15:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08598 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:29:24 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08595 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:29:22 GMT Received: from modem-123.montana.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.77.123] helo=jaycee) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13yyI3-0000ab-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:28:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:10:23 GMT From: JC To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro and memory use Message-ID: References: <5ee9dd214a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message <5ee9dd214a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > > > When I load a document which can be up to about 5Mb but is currently > > about 2Mb and scroll through it OvPro appears to keep loading > > information from my drive. Having just suffered a hard drive crash but > > which was successfully recovered, this is not something I am keen on, > > apart from the fact that it is also terribly slow which rather > > negates any benefits of having a kinetic card. > > > I'd rather think You have Your FontCache sub-optimal, i.e. > too small. > > [snip] > > Have fun... I knew I was going to look silly here!!!!! My hard disc crashed the other day and I guess the recovery process (which was successful) reset the font cache to 64K. I have now set itto 1020k and it makes all the difference. Mind you I didn't think I needed to seta high nitiial cache as I have set 'no font cache limit' so surely it should use whatever it wants. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 17:49:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139698 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 17:49:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 974997144:10:20648:26; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:32:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128506; 23 Nov 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08789 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:24:34 GMT Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08786 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:24:32 GMT Received: (qmail 3489 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2000 16:23:13 -0000 Received: from useras20.uk.uudial.com (HELO useras20) (62.188.137.24) by smtp-6.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2000 16:23:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:23:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: !FontFS problem Message-ID: <4a220822earayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In the last few weeks I've had a problem with FontFS quitting unexpectedly. FontFS is loaded as part of my Boot sequence and is usually trouble free, however recently I keep finding that the fonts it controls are all missing and I have to reinitialise it. I had been blaming Oregano and XTTFont, but it is happening sometimes before Oregano is loaded. The only other thing I have changed recently is to upgrade OP to 2.60. I'm not saying it is OP causing the problem, but has anyone else had problems with FontFS since upgrading - or even possibly before? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 17:50:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139702 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 17:50:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975000771:10:08328:14; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:32:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102062; 23 Nov 2000 17:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09008 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:17:42 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09005 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:17:40 GMT Received: from userbl03.uk.uudial.com (62.188.144.110) [62.188.144.110] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13yzyh-0004zs-00; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:16:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Gooding To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:16:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Chapter starts Message-ID: <4a21ec116aian.gooding@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139590@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <139590@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <139590@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I have wondered if there should be a global facility to make the chapter > start's follow on after the last page of the previous chapter. That would certainly be an option, to be used when the document is complete. The handed-ness of chapters has caused some screen refresh complications for me, using v2.58, and left me confused about what is actually going to be printed where. This seems to have happened because I inserted a chapter in between two others. All sorted in the end, but in combination with what looked like a bug inserting "blank" pages at the end of a chapter, I had to re-create a document from DDL working from front to back, whereupon all is correct. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 19:07:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139727 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 19:07:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975003624:10:13456:14; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:20:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013313; 23 Nov 2000 18:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09219 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:07:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09216 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:07:02 GMT Received: from userfx11.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.172) [62.188.28.172] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13z0ke-0006NH-00; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:05:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:04:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: A3 Printing Message-ID: <4a221163b7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just produced a document as A4 and thought I could use the A3 facilty of my Photo EX printer by selecting A3 paper in the printer configuration and scale of 130 in OvationPro's print window. Information goes to the printer but the paper is fed in and simply passed through without any ink! What am I doing wrong? Do I have to remake the document as an A3 original? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 23 19:34:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139749 for opro ; Thu, 23 Nov 100 19:34:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975006706:20:08811:15; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:11:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127300; 23 Nov 2000 19:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09552 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:09:28 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09549 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:09:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13z1it-0007At-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:07:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:36:52 GMT Message-Id: <139711@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: CD News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I've now shipped all the CD's, promised, free or bought. So if you don't have one and think you should, drop me a private email i.e. david@pilling.demon.co.uk Its been gratifying to see people with early serial numbers upgrading and to read that people have enjoyed using the program. The score at the moment is roughly 300 paid for upgrades and 200 free copies. I might even have time to do some programming now... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 01:39:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139767 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 01:39:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975015515:20:03545:14; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:38:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003367; 23 Nov 2000 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10115 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:28:42 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10112 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:28:40 GMT Received: from userbg60.uk.uudial.com (62.188.142.180) [62.188.142.180] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13z3tp-0004B1-00; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:27:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:02:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: !FontFS problem Message-ID: <4a221c31d7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ray Dawson wrote: >The only other thing I have changed recently is to upgrade OP to 2.60. >I'm not saying it is OP causing the problem, but has anyone else had >problems with FontFS since upgrading - or even possibly before? I've had OP 2.60 since 23 Sept. No problems with FontFS, but I have neither Oregano nor XTTFont. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 01:40:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139771 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 01:40:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975016933:20:11271:14; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:02:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011011; 23 Nov 2000 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10251 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:57:50 GMT Received: from mta8-svc.virgin.net (mta8-win.server.ntli.net [62.253.164.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10248 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:57:48 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.61.107]) by mta8-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001123215628.NYPN15375.mta8-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:56:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:55:50 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: !FontFS problem To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <4a220822earayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 23 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > > In the last few weeks I've had a problem with FontFS quitting > unexpectedly. > > FontFS is loaded as part of my Boot sequence and is usually trouble free, > however recently I keep finding that the fonts it controls are all > missing and I have to reinitialise it. > > I had been blaming Oregano and XTTFont, but it is happening sometimes > before Oregano is loaded. > > The only other thing I have changed recently is to upgrade OP to 2.60. > > I'm not saying it is OP causing the problem, but has anyone else had > problems with FontFS since upgrading - or even possibly before? > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Yes I find that since starting to use OP2.6 that fonts which show up in FontFS as being loaded but are not available to OP. I thought that it might have something to do with upgrading to OS4 and the Kinetic card, but if someone else has found this problem, it might be related to OP. Congratulations to David on completing the distribution of the CD. Now that you can get back to some programming, are you going to consider OP for Linux?? Just think how you would have to cope David, if you had converted to Windows and had to send out about a thousand times as many discs. Goodbye programming forever! My thoughts on a windows version always seem to come round to the problems of converting files from existing Windows programs like Quark and Pagemaker. Anyone with large numbers of files would not be able to abandon them; some way would have to be found to bring them into the new program. Does this mean that OP is too late for Windows or Mac? It would not be so for Linux because there does not seem to be a similar program available at the moment, and OP quality would be difficult for others to compete with. Just a thought. Best wishes Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 01:40:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139774 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 01:40:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975017632:10:16063:14; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:13:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015672; 23 Nov 2000 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10353 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:07:27 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10350 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:07:25 GMT Received: from veni (dynip23 [129.69.189.23]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id XAA29266 for In-Reply-To: <4a220822earayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a220822earayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a220822earayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In the last few weeks I've had a problem with FontFS quitting > unexpectedly. Now, as you mention it ... > FontFS is loaded as part of my Boot sequence and is usually trouble > free, however recently I keep finding that the fonts it controls are > all missing and I have to reinitialise it. I didn't notice that, but recently it indeed wasn't on the icon bar where it should be. Now it is again. I haven't trace that as I thought it might have been some weird and strange error when I got some "internal error" due to coding faults, but if you have experienced the same ... > I had been blaming Oregano and XTTFont, but it is happening sometimes > before Oregano is loaded. I load Oregano during boot as well. And it's not that long ago that I bought Oregano. > The only other thing I have changed recently is to upgrade OP to > 2.60. I have OP 2.58. > I'm not saying it is OP causing the problem, but has anyone else had > problems with FontFS since upgrading - or even possibly before? See above. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * We have commited to quickly disseminate high-quality leadership skills and collaboratively restore low-risk high-yield meta-services to meet our customers needs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 01:41:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139782 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 01:41:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975020943:20:28219:14; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:09:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026125; 23 Nov 2000 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10611 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:57:39 GMT Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10607 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:57:33 GMT Received: (qmail 17528 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2000 22:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.244) by warrior with SMTP; 23 Nov 2000 22:55:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:33:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: A3 Printing To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4a221163b7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 23 Nov, charles.hope wrote: > I have just produced a document as A4 and thought I could use the A3 > facilty of my Photo EX printer by selecting A3 paper in the printer > configuration and scale of 130 in OvationPro's print window. > > Information goes to the printer but the paper is fed in and simply passed > through without any ink! > > What am I doing wrong? Do I have to remake the document as an A3 original? You certainly don't have to re-make a document to print at a different scale. Is the document set with facing pages? In the Print dialogue box have you selected either Front or Back? You may be asking it to print a side which is blank, or there may be something else happening. BTW the relationship between the various Ax paper sizes is the square root of 2 (!SciCalc gives 1.414213562 and the inverse 0.7071068781) so a scale of 141% is very close for A4 to A3. I usually use 140% to go up a size and 70% to go down one size. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 01:41:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139785 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 01:41:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975020982:20:01017:14; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:09:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029367; 23 Nov 2000 23:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10614 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:57:43 GMT Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10610 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:57:37 GMT Received: (qmail 17591 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2000 22:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.244) by warrior with SMTP; 23 Nov 2000 22:55:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:18:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: lotus word-pro To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 22 Nov, Sam Campbell wrote: > I have just received mail with attachments which are lotus word-pro > documents. Is there any way to read them with OvPro? If you drag the file in OPro will tell you the file is not 'text type' and ask if you want to continue. If you say yes it will treat it as a text document and you will probably find the contents you want to read somewhere in the middle with formatting control codes round it. You might also be able to read it with Zap, StrongEd or Edit. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 01:41:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139790 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 01:41:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975025253:10:27200:14; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:20:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026730; 24 Nov 2000 0:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11012 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:14:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10050 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:05:59 GMT Received: from userar08.uk.uudial.com (62.188.136.167) [62.188.136.167] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13z3Xq-0003nM-00; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:04:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:19:23 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: A3 Printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 23 Nov 2000 (18:04:09 +0000), charles.hope@argonet.co.uk wrote: >What am I doing wrong? Do I have to remake the document as an A3 >original? > No, shouldn't need to. Works perfectly here by similar method (although I use 140 scaling) every time I want A3 from an A4 document. Sounds odd to me - perhaps a printer driver or !Printers issue. Which version are you using, and which driver? -- -------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Worksop, Nottinghamshire Very near the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! -------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 03:13:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139804 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 03:12:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975032133:10:12948:14; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 02:15:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119080; 24 Nov 2000 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11309 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:59:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA11306 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:59:18 GMT Received: from useran74.uk.uudial.com (62.188.135.91) [62.188.135.91] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13z36l-00034f-00; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:36:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:44:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: CD News Message-ID: <4a221a883csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139711@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <139711@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <139711@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The score at the moment is roughly 300 paid for upgrades and 200 > free copies. Nice to see the income, even if the total isn't going to keep you fully fed and clothed for long. Now get back to programming (whip, prod, whip) :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 14:28:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139809 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 14:27:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975035933:20:24213:14; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:18:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122346; 24 Nov 2000 3:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11583 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 02:14:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11580 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 02:14:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13z9In-0007Sq-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:13:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:51:03 GMT Message-Id: <139797@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My thoughts on a windows version always seem to come round to the >problems of converting files from existing Windows programs like Quark >and Pagemaker. >Does this mean that OP is too late for Windows or Mac? One motivation is as an 'escape route' for existing users (something which is widely available and will be for a long time). Another is a platform which is in common use. Windows fits these requirements. As to missing the boat - sure by about 10 years. I'd think I had a much better chance doing something totally new. But I've got the source code I might as well do something with it. Meanwhile back on RISC OS, I expect to produce a bug fix upgrade maybe with some new features in the near future. And beyond that there are things like 32 bit compatability to think about. 32 bit mode should be trivial, I expect to beat the hardware, RISC OS, and Impression by a considerable margin... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 14:28:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139810 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 14:28:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975035965:10:26007:15; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:19:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025531; 24 Nov 2000 3:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11578 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 02:14:49 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11575 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 02:14:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13z9Ij-0007Sq-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:13:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:45:43 GMT Message-Id: <139795@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !FontFS problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In the last few weeks I've had a problem with FontFS quitting >unexpectedly. If you ever see a C program vanish quietly, it's usually worth increasing its wimp slot (in !Run). (if you try this, it'll be case of spot the app. because its whatever sits on the icon bar, probably something in !FontFS.Apps) If its written in C, on second thoughts I'm not so sure. The other comment would be that if you had an Applet in your old copy of OP which talked to a font manager, you'll need to install it in 2.60 to get the same functionality. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 14:30:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139835 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 14:30:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975057940:20:12170:14; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:25:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120552; 24 Nov 2000 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12725 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:19:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12722 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:19:17 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13zEzW-0001Yt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:17:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:13:31 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 23 Nov, Bernard G. Hill wrote: > Congratulations to David on completing the distribution of the CD. Now > that you can get back to some programming, are you going to consider OP > for Linux?? Just think how you would have to cope David, if you had > converted to Windows and had to send out about a thousand times as many > discs. Goodbye programming forever! Can't be bad business if David has to hire a lady for the mail! > My thoughts on a windows version always seem to come round to the > problems of converting files from existing Windows programs like Quark > and Pagemaker. Anyone with large numbers of files would not be able to > abandon them; some way would have to be found to bring them into the new > program. Making an Ovation Pro version for Windows will not make it easier to convert files from or to Quark I guess. More chance to make PDF conversions for InDesign. But that isn't the main DTP program in the industry yet. > Does this mean that OP is too late for Windows or Mac? It would not be > so for Linux because there does not seem to be a similar program > available at the moment, and OP quality would be difficult for others to > compete with. Framemaker will be available for Linux and it can be expected that Ventura will be usable on Linux next year. They will not compete that much as Framemaker is meant for another segment of the market. I would like to see a Linux version of OP but I have to admit that David's decision may be better. He still has to face competition with a lot of other small, inexpensive DTP packages in the Windows world. That doesn't mean it is at the same level but the reason people buy those programs is for the price aspect. If the money is there, they buy the industry standards. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric Soon, early next year 1-1-1, the address will change to e.dinkla@chello.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 14:31:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139837 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 14:31:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975061525:20:06110:16; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:25:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113935; 24 Nov 2000 10:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12966 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:07:53 GMT Received: from kirch.orange.co.uk ([193.35.131.133]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12963 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:07:51 GMT Received: from orange.net ([62.188.4.235]) by kirch.orange.co.uk (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G4IXDZ00.60U for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:05:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:40:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) Message-ID: <4a2267133ebarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139797@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <139797@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <139797@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Meanwhile back on RISC OS, I expect to produce a bug fix upgrade > maybe with some new features in the near future. And beyond that > there are things like 32 bit compatability to think about. 32 bit > mode should be trivial, I expect to beat the hardware, RISC OS, and > Impression by a considerable margin... Perhaps you could pop over to RISC OS or Pace and give them a hand? :-) -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e - a l l e n . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 14:31:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139847 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 14:31:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975054796:10:18257:14; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:33:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121299; 24 Nov 2000 8:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12507 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:28:45 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12504 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:28:43 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust113.tnt18.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.130.113] with SMTP for id JAA03521 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:27:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001b01c055ef$ebdabea0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: lotus word-pro Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:23:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 23 Nov, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 22 Nov, Sam Campbell wrote: > > I have just received mail with attachments which are lotus word-pro > > documents. Is there any way to read them with OvPro? > > If you drag the file in OPro will tell you the file is not 'text type' and > ask if you want to continue. If you say yes it will treat it as a text > document and you will probably find the contents you want to read somewhere > in the middle with formatting control codes round it. > > You might also be able to read it with Zap, StrongEd or Edit. The most convenient way in my opinion is using Pipedream. It accepts every file, but without almost all control characters. On loading it says: 'loading with ignoring the control characters'. Result: almost clean text. Nice addition: of the control characters it doesn't ignore tab ( [09] ) and even uses it. What has to be cleaned is by hand is very little. Hence, Pipedream is very useful for all kinds of files, especially when you get them produced with a Windows program. Save it as ASCII or paragraph. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 19:12:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139909 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 19:12:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975092770:20:14947:14; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:06:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122300; 24 Nov 2000 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14285 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:02:21 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14282 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:02:19 GMT Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.252.84.38]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001124190100.CWRS17458.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:01:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:07:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !FontFS problem Message-ID: <4a22959158jms@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a220822earayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a220822earayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4a220822earayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In the last few weeks I've had a problem with FontFS quitting > unexpectedly. > FontFS is loaded as part of my Boot sequence and is usually trouble free, > however recently I keep finding that the fonts it controls are all > missing and I have to reinitialise it. > I had been blaming Oregano and XTTFont, but it is happening sometimes > before Oregano is loaded. > The only other thing I have changed recently is to upgrade OP to 2.60. > I'm not saying it is OP causing the problem, but has anyone else had > problems with FontFS since upgrading - or even possibly before? > Cheers, > Ray D Have you by any chance got a copy of fontmanager2 on your harddisc as the !boot file actually runs this and I found opening a directory containing the above removed all but the rom fonts from OP,Edit,Easiwriter etc -- John Sandford Herts Uk. mail: jms@argonet.co.uk / sandford@ntlworld.com Domain: www: http://www.sandford-1.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 21:58:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139924 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 21:58:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975094280:20:20142:14; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:31:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020018; 24 Nov 2000 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14412 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:29:28 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14409 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:29:26 GMT Received: from modem-83.longnose-hawk.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.38.83] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13zOVz-0003ux-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:28:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:15:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !FontFS problem Message-ID: <4a229bcd68rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a22959158jms@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a220822earayd@argonet.co.uk> <4a22959158jms@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Sandford wrote: > > I'm not saying it is OP causing the problem, but has anyone else had > > problems with FontFS since upgrading - or even possibly before? > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Have you by any chance got a copy of fontmanager2 on your harddisc as > the !boot file actually runs this and I found opening a directory > containing the above removed all but the rom fonts from > OP,Edit,Easiwriter etc I owe you a pint! I do have !FontMgr2 in my temp directory, and you're right - it is that doing it. When I open the Temp directory to save an internet file it gets seen and removes the path to FontFS. I downloaded it to see if it was any better than FontFS, but just left it in Temp. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 21:59:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139929 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 21:59:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975098381:20:13319:15; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:39:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011769; 24 Nov 2000 20:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14712 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:37:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14709 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:37:04 GMT Received: from userbf53.uk.uudial.com (62.188.142.74) [62.188.142.74] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13zPZR-0000ka-00; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:35:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:25:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) Message-ID: <4a22a22736steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139797@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <139797@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <139797@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Meanwhile back on RISC OS, I expect to produce a bug fix upgrade maybe > with some new features in the near future. Nice. > And beyond that there are > things like 32 bit compatability to think about. 32 bit mode should be > trivial, I expect to beat the hardware, Hmmm, that might be catered for by the Omega. > RISC OS, Better get a shift on, the first beta bits are out (but you already knew that) > and Impression by a considerable margin beat Impression? You're lowering your standards aren't you ;-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 24 22:43:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139943 for opro ; Fri, 24 Nov 100 22:43:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975103448:10:10155:14; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:04:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129415; 24 Nov 2000 22:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14985 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:00:45 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12789 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:25:00 GMT Received: from southfrm.demon.co.uk ([158.152.159.240] helo=localhost) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13zF54-00006z-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:23:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:55:33 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: help, not working scsicard Message-ID: <100063224a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> References: <4a1f961667dgporter@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a1f961667dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Cale, Wilts (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a1f961667dgporter@argonet.co.uk> Derrick Porter wrote: > In article , > Pierre Willems wrote: > > > > Help!! I have a scsi card, 123 host adapter power tec2/3 version > > 2.01, serialnumber 202021 It works not properly with the Kinetic > > card. Before the kinetic it was oke. I used it for my scanner epson > > GT 8500 I hope somebody has a solution or an upgrade for this > > problem. > > Try *Unplug DMAManager. > > This works for me. Hard disc access is a bit slow but my Epson GT8500 > works perfectly. > > > I tried several times "partis.org uk" but I only get a automatic > > message of the outbound mailer with the message " prefix the > > subject with your Usernumber " but where can I get a Usernmumber. > > You only get a 'UserNumber' if you pay for technical support. I pay > for technical support and haven't had any response either. I have no > idea what is going on with Partis. I am beginning to suspect that I > may have to dump my PowerTec card and replace it with something that > WILL work with the Kinetic card. > I just got a response from Partis to a note I had sent them two months ago (saying I would no renew the sub unless they fixed two problems). They are stating they are working on the two problems I had with their card and hope to make an announcement shortly. But I have already bought a Castle card... -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 25 01:59:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139950 for opro ; Sat, 25 Nov 100 01:59:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975106036:20:10077:15; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:47:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118266; 24 Nov 2000 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15172 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:45:28 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15169 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:45:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13zRZe-000FsS-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:44:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:04:05 GMT Message-Id: <139936@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >beat Impression? You're lowering your standards aren't you ;-) I'll be interested to see how it goes. It all depends how CC wrote it, on the one hand it might be years of work to convert on the other relatively painless. If all the hype about hand crafted code was true, and they've made it as efficient as possible, it will probably be difficult. Their modules will no doubt come unstuck over combining flag words with addresses. Would RISC OS without CC's products be viable? if not, someone will have to be sent forth to negotiate with them. On the occasions I've suggested either buying Impression or fixing some of the problems with the AW modules, they didn't want to know. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 25 01:59:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139952 for opro ; Sat, 25 Nov 100 01:59:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975107163:10:29895:14; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:06:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029663; 24 Nov 2000 23:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15289 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:04:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA15286 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:03:57 GMT Received: from userbp92.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.146.87] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13zRra-0004DI-00; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:02:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:01:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: CD News Message-ID: <4a22b06e62bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139711@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <139711@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <139711@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Its been gratifying to see people with early serial numbers upgrading > and to read that people have enjoyed using the program. > The score at the moment is roughly 300 paid for upgrades and 200 > free copies. > I might even have time to do some programming now... Great news on both counts. Once Omega and Imago are here there will be an active market for USB drivers. Could this be a possible source of income? Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 25 01:59:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139956 for opro ; Sat, 25 Nov 100 01:59:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975108182:20:12357:14; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:23:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112799; 24 Nov 2000 23:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15398 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:20:12 GMT Received: from technetium.cix.co.uk (technetium.cix.co.uk [194.153.0.53]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15395 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:20:10 GMT Received: (from cix@localhost) by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id XAA14487 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:18:22 GMT X-Envelope-From: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:18 +0000 (GMT) From:(E J Phillips) Subject: Re: CD News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Ameol-Version: 2.52.2000, Windows 98 4.10.2222 ( A ) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In-Reply-To: <139711@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mine was one of the earlier ones. The program is much improved. Thanks John Phillips. Cumbria in the North West -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 25 14:33:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139973 for opro ; Sat, 25 Nov 100 14:33:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975121638:20:15532:14; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 03:07:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117993; 25 Nov 2000 3:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16121 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:01:59 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16118 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:01:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13zVZu-000Pow-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 03:00:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:01:27 GMT Message-Id: <139957@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Once Omega and Imago are here there will be an active market for USB drivers. >Could this be a possible source of income? Perhaps, but is it art? [1] It'll be interesting to see how that plays as well. To support writing drivers they will have to sell a significant number of machines. On the other hand we're coming to the end of the line for various non-USB peripherals. Go back a year, and I could point out that there were more scanners supported on RISC OS than Linux or anything else besides Win/Mac. There probably still are, but I think in the future I'll be more selective i.e. support only one or two scanners. I would love to get on with USB drivers for scanners... [1] Actually writing drivers is often simple enough, extracting the necessary information from the peripheral makers is another matter. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 25 14:34:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139983 for opro ; Sat, 25 Nov 100 14:34:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975139174:10:18727:14; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 07:59:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119350; 25 Nov 2000 7:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16800 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 06:57:49 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16797 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 06:57:46 GMT Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.252.85.81]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001125075627.HPQH5562.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 07:56:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:40:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !FontFS problem Message-ID: <4a22ae8bebjms@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a229bcd68rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a220822earayd@argonet.co.uk> <4a22959158jms@argonet.co.uk> <4a229bcd68rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a229bcd68rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > I owe you a pint! Glad to be of help :-) I'll look out for you at Epson 2001/St.Albans SW Show next if your there ;-) -- John Sandford Herts Uk. mail: jms@argonet.co.uk / sandford@ntlworld.com Domain: www: http://www.sandford-1.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 25 14:34:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA139987 for opro ; Sat, 25 Nov 100 14:34:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975146786:10:09343:14; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:06:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107325; 25 Nov 2000 10:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17103 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:03:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA17100 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:03:02 GMT Received: from userbr34.uk.uudial.com (62.188.146.227) [62.188.146.227] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13zc9O-0006m4-00; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:01:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:21:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) Message-ID: <4a22e932e9robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139936@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <139936@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <139936@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >beat Impression? You're lowering your standards aren't you ;-) > I'll be interested to see how it goes. It all depends how CC > wrote it, on the one hand it might be years of work to convert > on the other relatively painless. > If all the hype about hand crafted code was true, and they've > made it as efficient as possible, it will probably be difficult. > Their modules will no doubt come unstuck over combining flag words with > addresses. > Would RISC OS without CC's products be viable? if not, someone will > have to be sent forth to negotiate with them. > On the occasions I've suggested either buying Impression or fixing > some of the problems with the AW modules, they didn't want to know. > David Pilling Perhaps this really will be the final catalyst that gets everyone to shift to Ovation and Vantage? With these (once Vantage really is available) we wouldn't really need CC any more. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 27 17:33:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140035 for opro ; Mon, 27 Nov 100 17:33:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975173371:20:13608:14; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:29:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013513; 25 Nov 2000 17:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18041 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:24:26 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18038 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:24:24 GMT Received: from du-011-0232.freeuk.com ([212.126.154.232] helo=freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13zj2X-0006z8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:23:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Walder To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:27:48 +0100 Subject: Loading Impression files Message-ID: <4a23103dafpwalder@enterprise.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just installed v 2.60 and I am having a few problems loading Impression files. When I drag an Impression document on to the icon bar there is a lot of disc activity but the page doesn't appear. If I go to the !OvnPro directory and open it up so that the filer can see !TransIMP in the AutoRun directory then subsequently Impression files load fine. Any help much appreciated Peter Walder -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 27 17:34:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140056 for opro ; Mon, 27 Nov 100 17:34:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975176468:10:18422:14; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:21:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123210; 25 Nov 2000 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18828 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:16:10 GMT Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18825 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:16:08 GMT Received: (qmail 615 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2000 18:14:49 -0000 Received: from userak84.test-uk.uudial.com (HELO userak84) (62.188.192.187) by smtp-5.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2000 18:14:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:13:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading Impression files Message-ID: <4a2319ef85rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a23103dafpwalder@enterprise.net> References: <4a23103dafpwalder@enterprise.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Peter Walder wrote: > I have just installed v 2.60 and I am having a few problems loading > Impression files. When I drag an Impression document on to the icon bar > there is a lot of disc activity but the page doesn't appear. If I go to > the !OvnPro directory and open it up so that the filer can see !TransIMP > in the AutoRun directory then subsequently Impression files load fine. I put all my loaders in Boot:Resources where they are seen at boot up and can be used by any application. Try putting !TransImp there. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 27 17:35:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140103 for opro ; Mon, 27 Nov 100 17:35:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975332575:10:20014:22; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:42:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125390; 27 Nov 2000 13:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01357 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:33:04 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01354 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:33:01 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA94362 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:31:39 GMT (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <3A22623B.7A391A1F@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:31:39 +0000 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A3 Printing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Depends on your printer with my old HP500C I use 65% to go down on size or I loose top & bottom margins. Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Thu 23 Nov, charles.hope wrote: > > I have just produced a document as A4 and thought I could use the A3 > > facilty of my Photo EX printer by selecting A3 paper in the printer > > configuration and scale of 130 in OvationPro's print window. > > > > Information goes to the printer but the paper is fed in and simply passed > > through without any ink! > > > > What am I doing wrong? Do I have to remake the document as an A3 original? > > You certainly don't have to re-make a document to print at a different scale. > Is the document set with facing pages? In the Print dialogue box have you > selected either Front or Back? You may be asking it to print a side which is > blank, or there may be something else happening. > > BTW the relationship between the various Ax paper sizes is the square root of > 2 (!SciCalc gives 1.414213562 and the inverse 0.7071068781) so a scale of > 141% is very close for A4 to A3. I usually use 140% to go up a size and 70% > to go down one size. > > Anthony Hilton > > -- > ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 27 17:35:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140108 for opro ; Mon, 27 Nov 100 17:35:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975265611:20:19987:14; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 19:06:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125342; 26 Nov 2000 19:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30637 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:59:12 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30634 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:59:10 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust5.tnt24.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.142.5] with SMTP for id TAA24022 (8.8.8/1.3); Sun, 26 Nov 2000 19:57:51 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00b501c057da$4f0e05e0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <138855@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a1e785ca7rayd@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Auto numbering Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 19:53:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 16 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > Also, how can I make a multiple bullet tab on one line which puts just > one leader character per tab (or I character plus a couple of spaces)? > > At the moment, if I put Alt-143 plus two spaces and tab more than onece > across a line it puts multiple leader strings between tabs and not just > one. > > ie, I want > > + text + text + text > > and not > > + text + + + ++ text + + + + text > > which I get now. > > I think I probably don't understand it as much as I should, but Tabs has > always been a bugbear for me. If you don't use a leader string, but only tabs, you can replace the tabs (where needed) with TAB Alt-143 and the spaces needed. Or as in your example with TAB + and space. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 27 23:20:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140172 for opro ; Mon, 27 Nov 100 23:20:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975365460:10:02678:14; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:51:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107425; 27 Nov 2000 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02970 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:45:08 GMT Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02967 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:45:02 GMT Received: (qmail 24973 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2000 22:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.82) by murphys with SMTP; 27 Nov 2000 22:43:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:33:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: A3 Printing To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <3A22623B.7A391A1F@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Mon 27 Nov, John P. Kerslake wrote: > Depends on your printer with my old HP500C I use 65% to go down on size > or I loose top & bottom margins. > Yes, I recognise that problem with inkjets which have quite large (10 - 13mm) non-printing margins at the foot of the page. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 28 02:16:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140192 for opro ; Tue, 28 Nov 100 02:16:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975372869:20:08460:14; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:54:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116927; 28 Nov 2000 0:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03354 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:52:15 GMT Received: from spartha.spa.umn.edu (spartha.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02593 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:47:08 GMT Received: from lanark.spa.umn.edu (allan@lanark.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.29]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eARJjGI01391 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:45:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from allan@localhost) by lanark.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10812 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:45:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:45:16 -0600 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) Message-ID: <20001127134516.I4690@lanark.spa.umn.edu> References: <139936@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <139936@pilling.demon.co.uk>; from opro@pilling.demon.co.uk on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 10:04:05PM +0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 10:04:05PM +0000, David Pilling wrote: > > >beat Impression? You're lowering your standards aren't you ;-) > > I'll be interested to see how it goes. It all depends how CC > wrote it, on the one hand it might be years of work to convert > on the other relatively painless. I must have missed something... has anyone even imagined, or seriously talked about, converting Impression to 32-bit? Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-5040 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 28 02:16:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140193 for opro ; Tue, 28 Nov 100 02:16:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975372938:10:13098:14; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:55:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126738; 28 Nov 2000 0:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03358 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:52:19 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03355 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:52:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 140Yz2-000MbI-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:50:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:37:38 GMT Message-Id: <140185@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I must have missed something... has anyone even imagined, or seriously >talked about, converting Impression to 32-bit? Well since just about every piece of software will break on 32 bit RISC OS the question is going to be asked about everything. OPro isn't everyones choice so I'm sure it will be asked about Impression and ArtWorks too. Things in pure Basic will be OK, but very few Basic programs don't have some assembler, and even they may fall over on other OS changes. It will be like year zero (1987). Have to hope you've got the source code for everything. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 28 02:16:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140194 for opro ; Tue, 28 Nov 100 02:16:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975372914:20:11648:14; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:55:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117510; 28 Nov 2000 0:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03348 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:52:11 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03345 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:52:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 140Yyx-000MbI-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:50:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:36:14 GMT Message-Id: <140181@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Manning writes... I've now investigated a little further: I've read the relevant pages of the PRMs several times, and I feel thet I'm getting close to understanding them. ;-) Here's a BASIC program that will tell you the longest font name on your system (for some definition of "font name" anyway) bufl%=256 DIM buf% bufl%-1 maxlength%=0 counter%=0 REPEAT SYS "XFont_ListFonts",,0,counter% OR &50000,0 TO E%,,,length% ;F% IF F% AND 1 SYS "OS_GenerateError",E% IF length%>bufl% ERROR 99,"Buffer overflow" SYS "Font_ListFonts",,buf%,counter% OR &50000,length% TO ,,counter% IF length%>maxlength% THEN maxlength%=length% SYS "XOS_GenerateError",buf% TO fontname$ ENDIF UNTIL counter%=-1 PRINT "Longest font name is " ;maxlength% " characters : " fontname$ and if I run it here I get Longest font name is 41 characters : Gylessans.Outline.Black.Extended.Oblique in which circumstances sundry things fail with "Buffer overflow". The latest to bite me was TemplEd, so I investigated further (it's written in BASIC, which makes investigation somewhat easier). It uses the "RISC OS 2 compatible" version of the line which begins SYS "Font_ListFonts", but RO2 had no 'length' parameter: it always assumed that a font name wouldn't exceed 40 characters. I guess that TemplEd isn't the only thing that works like this. Although I've not investigated, I'd be prepared to have a small wager that TechWriter and Impression do so too. ;-) If you've been paying attention you'll have noticed that "Gylessans.Outline.Black.Extended.Oblique" is only 40 characters. That's because the buffer needs to be one byte longer in order to accommodate a marker at the end of the character string. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 28 23:02:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140270 for opro ; Tue, 28 Nov 100 23:02:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975450921:20:11252:15; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:35:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128400; 28 Nov 2000 22:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07152 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:14:57 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07149 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:14:55 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-74.access.ch [212.161.130.202]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA09291 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:13:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:12:44 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <139936@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 24 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >beat Impression? You're lowering your standards aren't you ;-) snip > Would RISC OS without CC's products be viable? if not, someone will > have to be sent forth to negotiate with them. > > On the occasions I've suggested either buying Impression or fixing > some of the problems with the AW modules, they didn't want to know. It is probably the Xara syndrome ;-) JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 29 14:30:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140291 for opro ; Wed, 29 Nov 100 14:30:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975465525:20:27851:14; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 02:38:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124133; 29 Nov 2000 2:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08005 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 01:19:32 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08002 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 01:19:30 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 140wp1-000Fxe-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 02:18:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 02:04:06 GMT Message-Id: <140289@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro mrs. Tonnie Demarteau writes... There are two fonts involved with 40 characters: GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Oblique GylesSans.Outline.Bold.Condensed.Oblique When you remove both Oblique directories, there isn't a buffer overflow anymore. The fonts can easily be repaired, when you have !FontFiend, by renaming Oblique to Obliq. Renaming with DrFonty and saving turns the font in a 'not so good' Acorn format, resulting in the loss of all the scaffolding. Good Acorn fonts have scaffolds and skeletons. ISV has its own technique in its fonts. Renaming the fontdirectory from Oblique to Obliq has to be done manually. Maybe also the Message1 file (I don't have one). There is another way, without using a fonteditor: 1) COPY directories Oblique with the (re)name: GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Obliq GylesSans.Outline.Bold.Condensed.Obliq 2) load Intmetrics file in !Edit F4 (Find) find: Oblique (this is in the first line) replace with: Obliqspacespace (that is Obliq and TWO spaces) save file 3) load Outlines in !Edit F4 (Find) click previous (this is what was entered for Intmetrics) save file The two spaces are needed for correct file length. Delete directories with name Oblique. Maybe the Message1 file also needs editing (I don't have one). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 29 14:31:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140313 for opro ; Wed, 29 Nov 100 14:31:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975488753:20:12315:15; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:05:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129980; 29 Nov 2000 9:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09084 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:01:34 GMT Received: from mserv1e.vianw.co.uk (mserv1e.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09081 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:01:31 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1e.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #37) id 14135s-0001jQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:00:00 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:41:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:41:42 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS import Message-ID: <79e9f4244a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2b4e7a1f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > >options checking I had the latest versions of things. But is > > >there still a typo in the new line of code? When I replace the > > >line as described the situation is worse - the text window opens > > >as before, the text is dumped to it, then the screen switches to > > >mode 0 and I get an hourglass. I've pasted the line in directly > > >from your message. > > > > the problem is I can't test this. I have ChangeFSI 1.16 which > > behaves itself. Which version do you have and where did you get it? > > In case anyone else has had the ChangeFSI problems with eps import, let me say that Chris Manning came up with a solution off list: > Anyway, the problem seems to be (contrary to what I thought yesterday) > that WimpTask doesn't GSTRANS its parameters. Try > > osclis("WimpTask .ChangeFSI "+from+" "+to+" 28r -nomode -noscale { > null: } { > null: }"); Well I put this in and it worked! Now when I import an eps with preview, I get an hourglass briefly and the image then appears in the frame as it should do - without text windows opening or mode switches. This is with ChangeFSI v 1.15 and RO 3.7. Thanks to Chris for coming up with a solution, David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 29 16:07:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140326 for opro ; Wed, 29 Nov 100 16:07:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975512464:10:18702:14; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:41:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113689; 29 Nov 2000 15:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10016 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:22:15 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10013 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:22:13 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06468 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:20:53 GMT Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:21:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <140185@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 27 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I must have missed something... has anyone even imagined, or seriously > >talked about, converting Impression to 32-bit? > > Well since just about every piece of software will break on 32 bit RISC OS > the question is going to be asked about everything. > > OPro isn't everyones choice so I'm sure it will be asked about Impression > and ArtWorks too. > > Things in pure Basic will be OK, but very few Basic programs don't have some > assembler, and even they may fall over on other OS changes. It will be like > year zero (1987). Have to hope you've got the source code for everything. > The uncertainty over the future of the platform has led to a lot of the software that people use being left unsupported by developers who have disappeared. I still use the Squirrel database for example (as well as Datapower which is still being developed). There must be lots of others. At least the die-hard impression users have an alternative if that fails to convert to 32 bit. It looks like a vicious circle: hardware can't be developed because it would make a lot of software useless; software isn't being developed because the hardware is isolated from the 'mainstream'. I suppose it all comes back to th user base. When is this 32 bit stuff likely to happen anyway? Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 29 17:50:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140343 for opro ; Wed, 29 Nov 100 17:50:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975517763:20:25762:14; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:09:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128489; 29 Nov 2000 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10326 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:46:08 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10323 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:46:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 141ALe-000OGZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:44:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:09:30 GMT Message-Id: <140328@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When is this 32 bit stuff likely to happen anyway? I would guess within the next 12 months (not that I know all the details). I think 32 bit machines and RISC OS, if they appear will be very desirable. There will be some software available, and probably once the hardware and RISC OS is a reality more software will be converted. As I was saying the day will even come when people look seriously at converting Impression. There will probably be emulation software or (as with the Omega) the option to run an old ARM chip to run old software on. Although indications are that this will be a case of an all 26 bit mode as against an all 32 bit mode. You won't be able to have a 32 bit desktop with Impression running in it. For the software where the authors have departed and/or the source code is lost it may be possible to develop automatic conversion software. In technical terms compiling 26 bit code to 32 bit as opposed to interpreting (emulating) it. Those who are using RISC OS machines and software due to inertia or because they don't like change aren't going to like what will happen. A future version of OPro will ask you to install a new Shared C Library (even on a 26 bit machine) which will probably break some other software. Perhaps this will be the point at which the platform becomes more enthusiast oriented i.e. people who can afford to have a RISC OS machine as well as a PC just for fun will buy the new machines. Strangely commercial considerations don't enter in to this move, since the market is bust anyway and there's no choice either, new chips aren't going to support 26 bit mode. I think it will be great, change, new things, the chance to use modern hardware etc. (cynics may say the chance to charge for lots of program upgrades...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 29 18:43:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140355 for opro ; Wed, 29 Nov 100 18:43:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975522167:20:26115:24; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:22:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129384; 29 Nov 2000 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10621 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:19:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10618 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:19:01 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 141Bnb-000E9b-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:17:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:00:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) Message-ID: <4a252808e3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <140185@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > The uncertainty over the future of the platform has led to a lot of the > software that people use being left unsupported by developers who have > disappeared. I still use the Squirrel database for example. That Squirrel was left an orphan long before any recent uncertainties. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 29 18:43:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140359 for opro ; Wed, 29 Nov 100 18:43:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975522208:10:05033:42; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:23:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123664; 29 Nov 2000 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10626 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:19:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10623 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:19:04 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 141Bne-000E9b-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:17:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:04:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) Message-ID: <4a252871a9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <140185@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > It looks like a vicious circle: hardware can't be developed because it > would make a lot of software useless You're arguing from next door (false premises). Hardware *is* being developed - far more than ever before. 32-bit is being prepared. New hardware will run 32 bit. Current software is being amended. New software is being produced (but not fast enough). Older software is being upgraded. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 29 18:44:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140364 for opro ; Wed, 29 Nov 100 18:44:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975523384:10:28534:15; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:43:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127538; 29 Nov 2000 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10817 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:38:58 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10812 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:38:56 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-18.access.ch [212.161.131.18]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13532 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:37:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:30:52 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re.:Buffer Overflow: a font problem To: David Pilling Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear OvPro Users, To make life easier, I do suggest that, when changing font names, one uses !FontNamer. (Or some other font renaming utility if it exists.) Where FontNamer is presently available I do not know. It is/was copyright 1996 Fabis Computing (my version). David Pillings suggestion today how to change some font names of GylesSans is once again an example of his excellent and kind way of trying to help. But, alas as I only experienced 2 days ago, there do exist people who simply cannot understand such complex - at least for them - file handling instructions. Using FontNamer, the whole tree structure of a font is renamed. And then functions. Without changing any of the original structure of the font (scaffolding and skeletons) files. And by the way, also to make things more easy for OvPro: rename GylesSans.Outline.Black.... to GylesSans.Outline.Dark...... ^^^^^ ^^^^ The result is that it will appear *after* GylesSans.Outline.Bold in the font tree structure. This is also a possible solution for other fonts where using the Bold icon on the Info palette leads to a Black font instead of the Bold font you wanted. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 30 00:14:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140386 for opro ; Thu, 30 Nov 100 00:14:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975540356:10:09357:16; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:25:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123361; 29 Nov 2000 23:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11521 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:22:27 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11518 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:22:25 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust214.tnt1.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.96.214] with SMTP for id AAA25889 (8.8.8/1.3); Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:21:06 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004c01c05a5a$949e9070$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: Re.:Buffer Overflow: a font problem Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:13:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Nov, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > To make life easier, I do suggest that, when changing font names, one > uses !FontNamer. (Or some other font renaming utility if it > exists.) Where FontNamer is presently available I do not know. It is/was > copyright 1996 Fabis Computing (my version). > --snip-- > > Using FontNamer, the whole tree structure of a font is renamed. And then > functions. Without changing any of the original structure of the font > (scaffolding and skeletons) files. You can use !Fontnamer for a whole font family (that is all the weights) for a font family from PD sources. Fontsuppliers have copyright on commercial fonts. Including fontnames. But: You can't use !FontNamer for only one weight (like changing Oblique to Obliq), because the name in the weight changes from e.g. GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Oblique to Obliq. You loose more of the name than the offending character. Besides that, there are already very much names for all kind of equivalente or look-a-like typefaces. Changing names doesn't help compatibility. > And by the way, also to make things more easy for OvPro: rename > GylesSans.Outline.Black.... to GylesSans.Outline.Dark...... > ^^^^^ ^^^^ Names for weights are more or less standards, ranging from ExtraThin to ExtraBlack. Replacing these with fantasy names, doesn't seem a good idea. > The result is that it will appear *after* GylesSans.Outline.Bold in the > font tree structure. And that is all. > > > This is also a possible solution for other fonts where using the Bold > icon on the Info palette leads to a Black font instead of the Bold font > you wanted. If you have a fontfamily with more than the 4 standard weights (like Trinity, Homerton or Corpus), using the buttons Bold and Italic is a BAD choice. To be sure, you get the right weight e.g. Bold or Black.Italic you have to use the fontmenu and select the font you want from there. Situation gets worse, when you change the font to a font with other weights without clearing the effects first, when you have used the buttons Bold and Italic. I wish 'I' could grey-out the Bold and Italic button to make sure, that 'I' can't select the 'wrong' weight. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 30 00:14:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140390 for opro ; Thu, 30 Nov 100 00:14:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975540839:20:10969:23; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:33:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113956; 29 Nov 2000 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11606 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:32:01 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11603 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:31:59 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 141GgQ-000L59-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:30:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:19:22 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow Message-ID: <97d313254a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <140289@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <140289@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <140289@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > mrs. Tonnie Demarteau writes... > > > > There are two fonts involved with 40 characters: > > GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Oblique > GylesSans.Outline.Bold.Condensed.Oblique [snip] > There is another way, without using a fonteditor: [snip] Tried this. Brings back the Buffer overflow error with ProArt24. The original suggestion of moving the 'outline' contents worked. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 30 14:28:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140430 for opro ; Thu, 30 Nov 100 14:28:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975577176:10:10280:20; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:39:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010074; 30 Nov 2000 9:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13091 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:35:09 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13078 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:34:48 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust186.tnt30.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.154.186] with SMTP for id KAA28612 (8.8.8/1.3); Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:33:30 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004501c05ab0$216dc5c0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <140289@pilling.demon.co.uk> <97d313254a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Buffer Overflow Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:14:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Nov, : Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <140289@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > mrs. Tonnie Demarteau writes... > > > > > > > > There are two fonts involved with 40 characters: > > > > GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Oblique > > GylesSans.Outline.Bold.Condensed.Oblique > [snip] > > There is another way, without using a fonteditor: > [snip] > > Tried this. Brings back the Buffer overflow error with ProArt24. This has nothing to do with the rename. This is the way ProArt24 lets you choose your fonts. Same will happen with the following fonts: GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Obliq GylesSans.Outline.Black.Condensed.Obliq GylesSans.Outline.Bold.Condensed.Obliq GylesSans.Outline.Bold.Extended.Oblique Helvetic.Mono.Bold.Condensed.Oblique Jumbled.Sans.Bold.Extended.Oblique Jumbled.Sans.Bold.Condensed.Oblique They all have a directory tree of 1 directory for the fontname and 4 weights/subdirectories. In ProArt24 you enter: Font: (1 directory, that is the fontname) Weight: (1 directory, that is the first subdirectory) Style: (maximum 2 directories, e.g. Bold.Condensed) When the whole tree has more than 4 weights, ProArt24 objects with the error: Style: Bold.Condensed.No/style;R2 This isn't the same as 'buffer overflow' from the fontmanager. > The original suggestion of moving the 'outline' contents worked. Of course. There are only 4 directories left. Also the original fontname has disappeared. Fontnames are in the fonts, not only a directory structure. The length of a fontfile has to be the same, when you change anything in a font file with a text editor. What about 'other' fontfamilies with 'too long' fontnames for a particular menu in a particular program? Fontnames are used in applications as a reference. Every change unlinks an already existing reference. I think offering solutions belongs to the domain of the suppliers of the programs. Different user solutions only contribute to bigger confusion. Including my solution to rename 'Oblique' to 'Obliq ' . mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 30 14:28:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140435 for opro ; Thu, 30 Nov 100 14:28:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975574729:20:24799:15; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:58:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024473; 30 Nov 2000 8:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12878 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:48:05 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12875 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:48:03 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 141PM9-000OHE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:46:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:41:38 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Re.:Buffer Overflow: a font problem To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <004c01c05a5a$949e9070$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 30 Nov, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > I wish 'I' could grey-out the Bold and Italic button to make sure, that 'I' > can't select the 'wrong' weight. I'm sure that that Windows like feature will disappear in the new Windows OP version. Sorry David, couldn't resist :-) Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric Soon, early next year 1-1-1, the address will change to e.dinkla@chello.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 30 14:29:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140447 for opro ; Thu, 30 Nov 100 14:29:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975593794:10:20670:19; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:16:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113127; 30 Nov 2000 14:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13914 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:59:43 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13911 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:59:41 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 141UEA-000MTt-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:58:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:34:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) Message-ID: <4a25938358john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a252871a9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > On Wed 29 Nov, John Cartmell wrote: > > In article , Alf > > Chamings wrote: > Squirrel had some great features, but not only is it no longer > developed, I can't even put it from one machine to another because of > the strange protection system they used. The only solution in a case like this is to crack the protection; not a suggestion that I would make in respect of any other RISC OS product. > Artworks still works but is being not developed. Not true. It has recently been extended to use isometric and radial grids, GIF and sprite export and fully functioning text areas. All very funky and all currently maintained. > I hope you are right that the new hardware encourages the right kind of > new software. Perhaps we will get speech recognition some day too! There has been some experimentation in this area and I did hear a rumour that it might have been picked up as a current project. Anyone got any info on this? At least the speech output is excellent. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 30 14:29:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140448 for opro ; Thu, 30 Nov 100 14:29:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975589752:20:06263:25; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:09:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103510; 30 Nov 2000 13:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13668 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:00:48 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13665 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:00:42 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA10673 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:59:23 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:00:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Ovation Pro on other OS's (was !FontFS problem) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a252871a9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Nov, John Cartmell wrote: > In article , Alf Chamings > wrote: > > It looks like a vicious circle: hardware can't be developed because it > > would make a lot of software useless > You're arguing from next door (false premises). > Hardware *is* being developed - far more than ever before. 32-bit is being > prepared. New hardware will run 32 bit. Current software is being amended. > New software is being produced (but not fast enough). > Older software is being upgraded. > I certainly don't want to be pessimistic if I can avoid it. Perhaps I am out or touch with deveolopments to some extent. It just seems that most of the software I use is precarious. Squirrel had some great features, but not only is it no longer developed, I can't even put it from one machine to another because of the strange protection system they used. Artworks still works but is being not developed. My option there would be to go for Vantage - that will depend on cost. FireworkzPro I depend on because no other package allows a database to be interrogated by every cell in a corresponding spreadsheet - unique integration so far as I am aware. OK, it is still supported but development has not been the same since the aftermath of Mark Colton's untimely death. OPro is the great exception! I hope you are right that the new hardware encourages the right kind of new software. Perhaps we will get speech recognition some day too! Regards Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 30 20:23:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140491 for opro ; Thu, 30 Nov 100 20:23:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975615348:10:20558:14; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:15:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113620; 30 Nov 2000 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14767 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:59:58 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14764 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:59:56 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop7-4.access.ch [212.161.129.196]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27235 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:58:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:39:49 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Re.:Buffer Overflow: a font problem To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <004c01c05a5a$949e9070$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 30 Nov, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Wed 29 Nov, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: snip > --snip-- > > > > Using FontNamer, the whole tree structure of a font is renamed. And then > > functions. Without changing any of the original structure of the font > > (scaffolding and skeletons) files. > > You can use !Fontnamer for a whole font family (that is all the weights) for a > font family from PD sources. Certainly. And can then pass on copies to others..;-) > Fontsuppliers have copyright on commercial fonts. Including fontnames. Totally agreed. But this does not mean that I, on my own computer, am not allowed to make changes I find neccessary. Of course I am not allowed to pass on these changes to others. I.e. I may not send a *COPY* of that changed file to someone else. Should I strictly follow your reasoning, we all, OvPro Users, cannot add any applet to the OvPro program. Because this does change in many ways the original functioning of OvPro... > But: > You can't use !FontNamer for only one weight (like changing Oblique to Obliq), > because the name in the weight changes from e.g. > GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Oblique to Obliq. You loose more of the name > than the offending character. Well, I did try it out before I sent my original message. I would not have dared otherwise stating what I did... I changed Black to Dark and put Dark back in the font definition file and then renamed the whole thing. Of course one must 1st rename the main font to another name and then rename it back to its original name (more or less; in the end I tend to add a plus sign to know that I changed it). > Changing names doesn't help compatibility. Certainly not. But there is of course a difference whether this is needed (file exchange) or not (i.e. for personal use). In the latter case, the outsider only gets a printed document. So names are not relevant anymore. > > And by the way, also to make things more easy for OvPro: rename > > GylesSans.Outline.Black.... to GylesSans.Outline.Dark...... > > ^^^^^ ^^^^ > > Names for weights are more or less standards, ranging from ExtraThin to > ExtraBlack. > Replacing these with fantasy names, doesn't seem a good idea. Once more I agree. But you probably missed a thread quite some months ago, where OvPro Users were complaining that selecting *Bold* or *Italics* from the Info Palette at times resulted in a wrong weight. My proposal is a possible solution. But for personal use only, in creating printed documents. > > The result is that it will appear *after* GylesSans.Outline.Bold in the > > font tree structure. > > And that is all. Not quite, as stated above. > > This is also a possible solution for other fonts where using the Bold > > icon on the Info palette leads to a Black font instead of the Bold font > > you wanted. > > If you have a fontfamily with more than the 4 standard weights (like Trinity, > Homerton or Corpus), using the buttons Bold and Italic is a BAD choice. To be > sure, you get the right weight e.g. Bold or Black.Italic you have to use the > fontmenu and select the font you want from there. Could my proposal make things easier? > Situation gets worse, when you change the font to a font with other weights > without clearing the effects first, when you have used the buttons Bold and > Italic. The manual does give some advice on this aspect of using styles and effects... JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 1 01:33:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140515 for opro ; Fri, 01 Dec 100 01:33:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975622279:10:17366:15; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:11:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119087; 30 Nov 2000 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15119 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:08:05 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15116 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:08:02 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust6.tnt10.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.114.6] with SMTP for id XAA21101 (8.8.8/1.3); Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:06:44 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002401c05b19$5ab5ae60$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: Re.:Buffer Overflow: a font problem Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:02:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 30 Nov, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Thu 30 Nov, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > --snip-- > > Fontsuppliers have copyright on commercial fonts. Including fontnames. > > Totally agreed. But this does not mean that I, on my own computer, am > not allowed to make changes I find neccessary. Of course I am not > allowed to pass on these changes to others. I.e. I may not send a *COPY* > of that changed file to someone else. I think that depends on the terms ... > Should I strictly follow your reasoning, we all, OvPro Users, cannot add > any applet to the OvPro program. Because this does change in many ways > the original functioning of OvPro... This is certainly not my reasoning, but your interpretation of my reasoning. Of course, you are free to your reasoning, but don't say it is mine. > > But: > > You can't use !FontNamer for only one weight (like changing Oblique to > > Obliq), because the name in the weight changes from e.g. > > GylesSans.Outline.Black.Extended.Oblique to Obliq. You loose more of the > > name than the offending character. > > Well, I did try it out before I sent my original message. I would not > have dared otherwise stating what I did... I changed Black to Dark and > put Dark back in the font definition file and then renamed the whole > thing. Of course one must 1st rename the main font to another name and > then rename it back to its original name (more or less; in the end I > tend to add a plus sign to know that I changed it). What to add, I don't prefer that method and I object to change standard names (like Black) to non-standard names (like Dark). My guess is that the appearance of the name Oblique instead of Obliq has not been discovered by iSV before releasing these two weights, otherwise iSV would certainly have corrected these 'mistakes' ... > > Changing names doesn't help compatibility. > > Certainly not. But there is of course a difference whether this is > needed (file exchange) or not (i.e. for personal use). In the latter > case, the outsider only gets a printed document. So names are not > relevant anymore. The latter has little to do with compatibility. Maybe it is time to start some extra reading about typography and typefaces (base of DTP) ... --snip-- I understand, you want to change all the weights Black to Dark in all the fonts that also contains a weight Bold, in your view that: > > > This is also a possible solution for other fonts where using the Bold > > > icon on the Info palette leads to a Black font instead of the Bold font > > > you wanted. > > > > If you have a fontfamily with more than the 4 standard weights (like > > Trinity, Homerton or Corpus), using the buttons Bold and Italic is a BAD > > choice. To be sure, you get the right weight e.g. Bold or Black.Italic you > > have to use the fontmenu and select the font you want from there. > > Could my proposal make things easier? No, I don't think so. The problem isn't restricted to re-ordering the weights Bold and Black by renaming Black to Dark. The problem is that the Bold and Italic button don't offer the correct font in a lot of fonts with more than 4 weights or with tree structure than you find in Trinity, Homerton and Corpus. And I think changing fonts to make them behave 'the way you want them to behave when you use two buttons in a particular program' isn't the solution. > > > Situation gets worse, when you change the font to a font with other weights > > without clearing the effects first, when you have used the buttons Bold and > > Italic. > > The manual does give some advice on this aspect of using styles and effects... I appreciate the manual. But it can't solve problems in the program. It can give advice how to avoid them. However, this has nothing to do anymore with the 'buffer overflow' caused by the too long fontnames ... mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 1 01:33:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA140519 for opro ; Fri, 01 Dec 100 01:33:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 975625747:21:05605:14; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:09:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012052; 30 Nov 2000 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15290 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:05:20 GMT Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15286 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:05:18 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 141ckB-0000U8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:03:59 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:03:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:03:17 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re.:Buffer Overflow: a font problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c05a5a$949e9070$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Wed 29 Nov, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > > > To make life easier, I do suggest that, when changing font names, one > > uses !FontNamer. > > You can use !Fontnamer for a whole font family (that is all the weights) for a > font family from PD sources. > Fontsuppliers have copyright on commercial fonts. Including fontnames. Yes, that's why we end up with such silly names as GylesSans for look-a-like fonts. There are no standard rights in font designs - what you can do with it depends on the licence from a particular supplier. So, for example, you may not even be allowed to supply the fonts to a bureau to allow them to run your file to film, or you may not be allowed to embed the fonts in a PDF document. Sometimes it seems that the more you pay for a font, the less you are permitted to do with it. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message