From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 13:56:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132517 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 13:56:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967789151:20:01132:62; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 06:19:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124644; 1 Sep 2000 6:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05744 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 05:52:42 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05741 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 05:52:35 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (ppp-53.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.119]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e815n1G14232 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:49:02 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:13:16 +1200 Subject: Re: PScript print Message-ID: <49f70171actim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49f69f9c1fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <49f6096db5tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49f65aa250tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49f69f9c1fC.A.Jo User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49f69f9c1fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > Yes - RiScript seems to keep the file open all the time it is being > viewed. From memory, even when the viewer is closed, the file is > still open, since simply clicking on the iconbar icon reopens the > last file viewed. It is necessary to explicity close the file using > the appropriate button (the little square gadget near top left) in > RiScript before the file is closed. Yep - must still hold it's address somewhere tho, as you can get it back with the arrow key when it then repropcesses the file. However, in this case it was more than just open. It overwrote the Access setting of the file. Somehow. And I can't repeat it now when I try. But that's what had happened. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 14:29:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132533 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 14:29:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967814889:20:23605:21; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:28:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023144; 1 Sep 2000 13:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06739 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:24:50 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06735 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:24:47 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BFBF5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.251.245]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA30856 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:23:18 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:23:08 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:22:59 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 01 Sep 2000 15:22:58 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:22:58 +0200 From: Martin Vethake Message-ID: <8c4339f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 967814567 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, does anybody else get this when trying to mail David? The original message was received at Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:46:28 +0200 from p3E9BFAC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.250.193] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: pilling.demon.co.uk: host not found) Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 15:31:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132541 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 15:31:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967816416:20:26787:34; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:53:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025992; 1 Sep 2000 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06892 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:48:17 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06889 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:48:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Ur9e-000PXQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:46:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:30:32 GMT Message-Id: <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >does anybody else get this when trying to mail David? No, I've not seen any interruption to incoming email. It would be nice to think one could attribute that problem to one source, but which... Anything the mail list posts out which is bounced, comes back to me, and it's quite common for addresses to fail occasionally. Interesting to think how many relationships flounder because "you didn't reply to my email". Tradition dictates that Martin will by now have posted to c.s.a. that I'm no longer in business ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 16:38:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132542 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 16:38:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967819455:20:03705:25; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:44:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103075; 1 Sep 2000 14:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07083 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:41:54 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07080 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:41:52 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BFAFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.250.251]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12904 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:40:23 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:39:03 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:38:57 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 01 Sep 2000 16:38:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:38:54 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <823740f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 967819192 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >does anybody else get this when trying to mail David? > > No, I've not seen any interruption to incoming email. > Ngh... guess our provider screwed his mail server. Point is I was trying to send You some user-data to be registered. Well, to get things done before the weekend I shall enlighten all of this list with: # 02967 Peter von Pokrziwnitzki Karl-Peters-Str. 7 D-33605 Bielefeld Germany Who is a nice chap and a long-standing OP user, albeit a bit slow in returning registration-cards. Everybody give him a cheer and David, please send me the RegData for him. > Tradition dictates that Martin will by now have posted to c.s.a. that I'm > no longer in business ;-) > Darned, just now I had arranged for worldwide obituaries and memorial festivities... Kind Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 16:38:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132545 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 16:38:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967821940:20:26791:36; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:25:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026541; 1 Sep 2000 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07239 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:13:11 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07236 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:13:09 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e81FBi816561 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:11:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id e81FBip29417 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:11:44 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: D.Pilling has left the building? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:09:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <823740f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Martin Vethake wrote: > Point is I was trying to send You some user-data to be registered. > Well, to get things done before the weekend I shall enlighten > all of this list with: > > Peter von > > Who is a nice chap and a long-standing OP user, albeit a bit > slow in returning registration-cards. Everybody give him a cheer > and David, please send me the RegData for him. Hurrah for Peter, and hurrah for Martin that Germany doesn't have a Data Protection Act ;-) Later, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 21:39:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132546 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 21:39:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967823916:20:08848:34; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:58:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008671; 1 Sep 2000 15:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07418 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:52:42 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07415 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:52:39 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF96E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.249.110]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA25948 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:51:14 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:50:58 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:50:52 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 01 Sep 2000 17:50:49 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:50:49 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <05cd46f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 967823445 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: [snip] > Hurrah for Peter, and hurrah for Martin that Germany doesn't have a Data > Protection Act > Don't You think so, Germany has acts for just about anything. But we all know breaking the Data Protection Act in Germany calls for a true looney. And as such I can't be held liable. 8) -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 21:39:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132549 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 21:39:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967830723:10:12419:19; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:52:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011876; 1 Sep 2000 17:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07722 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:49:54 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07719 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:49:51 +0100 Received: from modem-66.dimrill.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.155.66] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13UuvP-0001nr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:48:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:25:35 +0100 From: Brian Howlett Message-ID: <8f7d44f749.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Toolbox X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R When editing a wide format document, say A4 sideways, when opening the OPro window to its full extent the toolbox disappears off the edge of the screen. Is there a mechanism to allow the toolbox to appear on top, like !Draw, or to restrict the width of the window to allow the toolbox to be displayed? Perhaps this could be activated by holding down Ctrl or Alt while clicking the toggle size icon if people prefer it to be optional? Shift is obviously already spoken for when clicking toggle size... -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------- I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 23:01:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132564 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 23:01:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967844229:10:08801:15; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:37:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124207; 1 Sep 2000 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08242 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:35:22 +0100 Received: from plutonium.uunet.be (plutonium.uunet.be [194.7.1.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08239 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:35:20 +0100 Received: from uu212-190-3-70 (uu212-190-3-70.unknown.uunet.be [212.190.3.70]) by plutonium.uunet.be (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA02784 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:33:44 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:55:13 +0200 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f762ab6fsclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <823740f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> <823740f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Platform: A7000+ X-Processor: ARM7500fe Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 01 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > >does anybody else get this when trying to mail David? > > > > No, I've not seen any interruption to incoming email. > > > Ngh... guess our provider screwed his mail server. Could be... Apropos: I have sent a few emails to , but I didn't get any reply (yet). I suppose the emails did reach their destination because they didn't bounce. Has Kai been on holliday or is he too busy to read his emails? Anyway, I like to have some reply. > Point is I was trying to send You some user-data to be registered. BTW: I haven't sent my registration card yet. Could I register by email? [snip] Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132590 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967862338:10:02317:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:38:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125634; 2 Sep 2000 2:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08937 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:38:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08934 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:38:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13V3Ad-0000LQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:36:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:15:14 GMT Message-Id: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >BTW: I haven't sent my registration card yet. Could I register >by email? With me or with Kai? I guess I don't mind email, I'd rather have the card though. The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. I've sold about 150 copies of OPro, and their owners get the upgrade for free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132592 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967862625:10:09496:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:43:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009457; 2 Sep 2000 2:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08932 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:38:04 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08929 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:38:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13V3Ab-0000LQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:36:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:13:00 GMT Message-Id: <132579@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When editing a wide format document, say A4 sideways, when opening the >OPro window to its full extent the toolbox disappears off the edge of >the screen. Is there a mechanism to allow the toolbox to appear on top, >like !Draw, or to restrict the width of the window to allow the toolbox >to be displayed? Err I don't think this is my experience. At least not with the toggle button. Perhaps it does this if you've changed the templates file, or in old versions. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132594 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967863300:10:02449:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:55:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002425; 2 Sep 2000 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08942 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:38:11 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08400 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:20:39 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 529D8A770D for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:15:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from redhotant.com ([212.41.37.161]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:18:01 -0100 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:18:58 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox Message-ID: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8f7d44f749.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Brian Howlett was let out long enough to write: > When editing a wide format document, say A4 sideways, when opening the > OPro window to its full extent the toolbox disappears off the edge of > the screen. Is there a mechanism to allow the toolbox to appear on top, > like !Draw, or to restrict the width of the window to allow the toolbox > to be displayed? > > Perhaps this could be activated by holding down Ctrl or Alt while > clicking the toggle size icon if people prefer it to be optional? Shift > is obviously already spoken for when clicking toggle size... This can be achived fairly easily by editing the templates (in !OvnResDir.UK.Templates) and setting the keep on screen flag for the toolbox and info windows. If don't have a template editor or whatever I could e-mail you a modified set. See ya, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>I am looking for an honest man. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132597 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967882231:20:15336:21; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 08:10:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127726; 2 Sep 2000 8:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09776 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:08:20 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09773 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:08:17 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BFBC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.251.200]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14112 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:06:52 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:05:51 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:05:46 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 02 Sep 2000 10:04:50 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:04:50 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <68f99ff749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 967881984 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. > Yep, most registration-cards end-up as bookmarks instead of being sent someplace. And since we rely on people sending them back instead of churning through our central database trying to figure who has what, there is a bit of slack... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132599 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967886852:20:27651:15; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 09:27:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026838; 2 Sep 2000 9:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09982 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:25:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09975 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:24:59 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13V9WP-000PFW-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:23:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 09:46:53 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f7a3d2dbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >BTW: I haven't sent my registration card yet. Could I register > >by email? > With me or with Kai? > I guess I don't mind email, I'd rather have the card though. > The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. > I've sold about 150 copies of OPro, and their owners get the upgrade for > free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. > Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. My CD came without a card. I presumed you'd completed the registration details before posting the CD to me. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs designer products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services ** New Products - a range of unique modular board games ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From johnson@argonet.co.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132601 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967890448:20:23066:0; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:27:28 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107163; 2 Sep 2000 10:27 GMT Received: from usern660.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [193.149.85.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13VAWC-00031l-00; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:27:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith To: David Pilling Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:38:57 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f7a89780johnson@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Reply-To: johnson@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Status: R In article <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >BTW: I haven't sent my registration card yet. Could I register > >by email? > With me or with Kai? > I guess I don't mind email, I'd rather have the card though. > The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. > I've sold about 150 copies of OPro, and their owners get the upgrade for > free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. > Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. Hi David I think I've registered but you have set a doubt running so I must chase it. The number is 5095 By he way the trial Impression converter I downloaded and installed works OK but does not allow me to edit or save. Is this intentional or have I done something wrong?? Keith -- Keith & Lesley Johnson, Snail Mail:- Homeward, Main Road, Filby, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk NR29 3HN (01493) (H) 369536 (W) 846409 One day Snotlings will rule the Punyverse. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132602 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967900304:10:14222:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:11:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129375; 2 Sep 2000 13:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10478 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:06:26 +0100 Received: from plutonium.uunet.be (plutonium.uunet.be [194.7.1.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10475 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:06:24 +0100 Received: from uu212-190-15-14 (uu212-190-15-14.unknown.uunet.be [212.190.15.14]) by plutonium.uunet.be (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA00564 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:04:58 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 12:09:40 +0200 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f7ab6731sclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Platform: A7000+ X-Processor: ARM7500fe Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >BTW: I haven't sent my registration card yet. Could I register > >by email? > With me or with Kai? I bought Ovation Pro some time ago (Wakefield2000, CJE), but I didn't install it until I had upgraded my A7000+ (more memory and a bigger hd). > I guess I don't mind email, I'd rather have the card though. OK, I will send the card. If only I could remember where I left the postage stamps... I guess I will have to go to the post office. :-/ > The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. Good 8-) > I've sold about 150 copies of OPro, and their owners get the upgrade for > free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. Maybe more of them would register if they could do it by email or on the website. BTW: how many of those 150 are subscribed to this mailing list? (just curious) > Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. Strange. Maybe some registration cards got lost... Maybe you should restrict the upgrades to those who have registered (i.e. a bit like Oregano: you have to register first before you can get the full version). > David Pilling Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 15:27:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132617 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 15:27:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967904209:10:22327:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 14:16:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022275; 2 Sep 2000 14:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10698 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:15:46 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10695 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:15:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13VE3k-000Iqz-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:14:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 14:17:19 GMT Message-Id: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From: John Cartmell >My CD came without a card. I presumed you'd completed the registration >details before posting the CD to me. Yes, as it says on the card if I know who you are when I sell the OPro pack then I fill in the reg card for you. >From: Keith >I think I've registered but you have set a doubt running so I must chase I'll check, but if anyone wants to discuss this subject, use private email please. >By he way the trial Impression converter I downloaded and installed works >OK but does not allow me to edit or save. >Is this intentional or have I done something wrong?? Intentional. >From: Stefaan Claes >Maybe more of them would register if they could do it by email or on the website. Probably. Allowing it via the web site would be a good idea, I may do that now. >BTW: how many of those 150 are subscribed to this mailing list? (just curious) I don't have a clue. As it happens the number of subscribers has stayed fairly constant at about 500 for the last 3 years. Some leave, some new ones join. The interesting question is how many of the 2236 copies Beebug sold are actually still in use. >Maybe you should restrict the upgrades to those who have registered (i.e. a bit >like Oregano: you have to register first before you can get the full version). That will be the pattern in the future. In fact I hope, MS like, to make it so that you can't use the software without an 'always on' 'net connection. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:07:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132631 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:07:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967919092:20:21200:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:24:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021145; 2 Sep 2000 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11317 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:23:57 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11314 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:23:55 +0100 Received: from modem-46.longnose-hawk.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.38.46] helo=modem-46) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13VHv9-0008So-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:21:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:22:15 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f7d87ff6rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f7ab6731sclaes@aaug.net> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49f7ab6731sclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Stefaan Claes wrote: > > The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. > Good 8-) Could you remind us please how much it will cost to upgrade if we aren't new customers - then I can put my cheque in the post :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:08:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132637 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:08:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967925983:20:04074:16; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 20:19:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116473; 2 Sep 2000 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11628 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:18:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11625 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:18:54 +0100 Received: from userc624.uk.uudial.com (194.69.99.82) [194.69.99.82] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13VJjE-0003Rw-00; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:17:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 07:56:38 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f799bafesteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. The v2.59 CD version I take it? > I've sold about 150 copies of OPro, and their owners get the upgrade for > free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. No card in the Jiffy bag so must refer to the older version. > Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. Hmmm, did my purchase of the CD count? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:08:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132639 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:08:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967939656:20:19935:35; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 00:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019952; 3 Sep 2000 0:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12109 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:06:40 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12101 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:06:32 +0100 Received: from modem-108.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.35.108] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13VNHW-0007Jp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:05:06 +0100 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:02:48 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox Message-ID: References: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 1 Sep 2000, Mark Daniel wrote: > Brian Howlett was let out long > enough to write: > [...losing the toolbox off the edge of the screen...] > > This can be achived fairly easily by editing the templates (in > !OvnResDir.UK.Templates) and setting the keep on screen flag for the > toolbox and info windows. If don't have a template editor or whatever > I could e-mail you a modified set. > Thanks. I'll have a look at doing this; I have a copy of !TemplEd somewhere... [Later] Luckily, I kept a back-up when editing the Templates; the result was an error message about a template not found :-( I also couldn't find the template which represents the tool bar, so I edited the Main window and set it to remain on screen. Doing so causes an error Template VRuler not found. There is no template with this name in the file. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------- I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:09:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132642 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:08:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967969466:20:12502:16; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 08:24:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122489; 3 Sep 2000 8:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13112 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:18:54 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA13109 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:18:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 4021 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2000 08:17:25 -0000 Received: from userev45.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.17.228) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2000 08:17:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 08:56:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Toolbox Message-ID: <49f823084cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Brian Howlett wrote: > On 1 Sep 2000, Mark Daniel wrote: > > Brian Howlett was let out long > > enough to write: > > > [...losing the toolbox off the edge of the screen...] > > > > This can be achived fairly easily by editing the templates (in > > !OvnResDir.UK.Templates) and setting the keep on screen flag for the > > toolbox and info windows. If don't have a template editor or whatever > > I could e-mail you a modified set. > > > Thanks. I'll have a look at doing this; I have a copy of !TemplEd > somewhere... > [Later] Luckily, I kept a back-up when editing the Templates; the result > was an error message about a template not found :-( > I also couldn't find the template which represents the tool bar, so I > edited the Main window and set it to remain on screen. Doing so causes > an error Template VRuler not found. There is no template with this name > in the file. I tried Johns fix and have encountered no templates problems what-so-ever. IIRC the problem you describe is with TemplEd itself not being set up to handle the large number of template files that Ov Pro contains. This means it tends to loose/forget/not see files after nnn when resaving. In the TemplEd !Run file near the bottom are some configs that can be changed to suit your requirements. I'm using TemplEd 1.34 and the mods to the bottom of my !Run file are: Start file insert...............(Don't include this line). The following maximum values can be set to suit your needs | Set TemplEd$MaxTemplates 1800 | max number of user templates Set TemplEd$MaxIcons 1800 | max number of icons in a user template Set TemplEd$MaxIndirSize 16000 | space for indirected data (only for loading) | WimpSlot -min 210K -max 256K Run .!Runimage %*0 End file insert...................(Don't include this line). Since making the mods ages ago (advice from someone else) I've not had any problems of that sort with TemplEd. Hope that helps Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:09:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132645 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:09:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967974912:20:23285:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 09:55:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111431; 3 Sep 2000 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13370 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:49:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13367 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:49:11 +0100 Received: from userao32.uk.uudial.com (62.188.135.148) [62.188.135.148] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13VWNO-000162-00; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:47:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 10:08:41 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f829a816awarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >From: John Cartmell > >My CD came without a card. I presumed you'd completed the registration > >details before posting the CD to me. > Yes, as it says on the card if I know who you are when I sell the OPro pack > then I fill in the reg card for you. Errrm, on a slightly diferent note, I can recommend a very good database for RiscOS systems.... ;-} best wishes Adrian (Warrick) -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:09:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132651 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:09:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967990223:20:11683:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:10:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117802; 3 Sep 2000 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14060 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:03:01 +0100 Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14057 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:02:59 +0100 Received: from RiscPC (userao08.uk.uudial.com [62.188.135.124]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E7CE24552 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:01:33 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roy K.Gillard" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:12:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Problem with PC Delete in !Boot configuration Message-ID: <49f83a81ccroy.matra@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <127782@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127782@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <127782@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I have PC Delete set in my RiscPC configuration However, the RiscPC PC > >Delete mode does not seem to work properly with OvationPro. > Correct it doesn't. I noted this here when RISC OS 4 came out, however > because no one has ever complained I've not fixed it yet. I use PC Delete too and found this problem as soon as I started using OPro but never complained to you simply because I assumed OPro and PC Delete were not compatible in this respect (and it was my fault for using it!) :( However, I too need the keyboard standardisation that PC Delete gives, so continue to use it. I also found that I could simply delete the link using the info palette button, so it was not 'a big deal'. If you ever do fix it, I will be happier, thanks. Regards, Roy -- StrongArm RISCOS Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.roy.matra.ukgateway.net/ email: roy.matra@ukgateway.net (PGP key available) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:09:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132652 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:09:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968002268:20:08810:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 17:31:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008672; 3 Sep 2000 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14517 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:30:19 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14514 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:30:16 +0100 Received: from modem-86.thulium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.54.86] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13VdZa-0001CA-00; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:28:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 16:52:48 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: dfs@ukgateway.net Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox Message-ID: <8ba74ef849.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> References: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> <49f823084cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49f823084cdfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 3 Sep 2000, Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > > I tried Johns fix and have encountered no templates problems > what-so-ever. > > IIRC the problem you describe is with TemplEd itself not being set up > to handle the large number of template files that Ov Pro contains. > This means it tends to loose/forget/not see files after nnn when > resaving. > > In the TemplEd !Run file near the bottom are some configs that can be > changed to suit your requirements. > > I'm using TemplEd 1.34 and the mods to the bottom of my !Run file are: > [...snip fix for !TemplEd...] > > Hope that helps Thanks for that; it's certainly fixed it, and now !TemplEd shows all the templates correctly. Thanks also to Mark Daniel who sent me a fixed Templates file that works the way I want it to. -- Brian Howlett ----------------------------------------- ..sig ROT13'd twice, for extra security... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:09:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132655 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:09:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968007585:20:05170:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:59:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005090; 3 Sep 2000 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14766 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:56:47 +0100 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14763 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:56:45 +0100 Received: from modem-151.arkansas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.55.151] helo=seador.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13VevI-00014x-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 19:55:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 19:56:00 +0100 Subject: Loading Documents into earlier versions. Message-ID: <49f85f6d15chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <8ba74ef849.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> References: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> <49f823084cdfs@ukgateway.net> <8ba7 User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I understand that by editing one byte in the document you can get Opro to load 2.58 documents into 2.56. I've looked back in the archive to be beginning of 1998 and can't find any reference as to how to do this. Can any one remember please? TIA. -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 23:05:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132690 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 23:05:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967939650:11:03356:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 00:07:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024735; 3 Sep 2000 0:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12106 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:06:35 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12103 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:06:33 +0100 Received: from modem-108.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.35.108] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13VNHY-0007Jp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:05:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:01:27 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox Message-ID: <188ef7f749.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> References: <132579@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132579@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 2 Sep 2000, David Pilling wrote: > [...toolbox disappearing...] > > Err I don't think this is my experience. At least not with the toggle > button. Perhaps it does this if you've changed the templates file, or > in old versions. > I'm using 2.58, and I haven't changed the templates file. I've been advised to try exactly that, so I will see if that helps. [Later] See my other reply in this thread; I get a Template VRuler not found error when I set the Main window to keep on screen. Perhaps this is the wrong one to change. There is no VRuler in the templates file... -- Brian Howlett --------------------------------------------------------------------- There's a little known psychological theory that all women want to be piano players - pianist envy... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 23:06:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132696 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 23:06:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967982137:10:20910:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 11:55:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128944; 3 Sep 2000 11:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13721 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:54:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13718 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:54:37 +0100 Received: from userb699.uk.uudial.com (193.149.83.174) [193.149.83.174] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13VYKl-0004Zw-00; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:53:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William McNee To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 12:51:13 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f8388947w-mcnee@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I don't have a clue. As it happens the number of subscribers has stayed > fairly constant at about 500 for the last 3 years. Some leave, some new > ones join. The interesting question is how many of the 2236 copies > Beebug sold are actually still in use. When I load OvPro, the Beebug banner pops up at the start. I'm now using version 2.58, so I don't know if it's classed as a Beebug version or your version. > >Maybe you should restrict the upgrades to those who have registered > >(i.e. a bit like Oregano: you have to register first before you can get > >the full version). > That will be the pattern in the future. In fact I hope, MS like, to make > it so that you can't use the software without an 'always on' 'net > connection. I can't remember if Beebug sent me a registration card when I ordered it from them. If so, then I would have filled it in and sent it back. So I'm not sure who my version will be registered with, seeing as you've took over development. :-) When I get the CD version, David (note the when, not if ;-)) will I get a registration card with it? William -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 23:06:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132706 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 23:06:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968065965:11:29554:27; Mon, 04 Sep 2000 11:12:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019063; 4 Sep 2000 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16816 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:07:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16813 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:07:33 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Vu4m-00010W-0U for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:06:08 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:05:57 +0100 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Snap to Grid MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have a frame, rotated through 90deg, with a .25 mm border. When re- sizing, it will not snap to grid, nor lock to any guidelines (with those facilities enabled). Dragging the entire frame around locks correctly. Any suggestions? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 23:06:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132717 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 23:06:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968070693:10:29854:14; Mon, 04 Sep 2000 12:31:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029576; 4 Sep 2000 12:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17270 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:24:51 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17267 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:24:49 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-42-200.btinternet.com [212.140.42.200]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24684 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:22:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000904131555.00a82c60@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:23:26 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? In-Reply-To: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R At 14:17 02/09/00 +0000, you wrote: > >BTW: how many of those 150 are subscribed to this mailing list? (just > curious) > >I don't have a clue. As it happens the number of subscribers has stayed >fairly constant at about 500 for the last 3 years. Some leave, some >new ones join. The interesting question is how many of the 2236 >copies Beebug sold are actually still in use. For what it's worth David, if QuarkXPress import and export were implemented then I would use OP in preference, but most of the documents I produce now need to be in that format. It makes a strange kind of sense to use Quark even for those that don't, else I find myself constantly looking for functions that don't exist for the next job. I'm sure this must be somewhere on your WIBLI list. Any chance of knowing how high up it is. Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:44:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132786 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:44:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968120285:20:10235:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:18:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010211; 5 Sep 2000 2:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19110 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:52 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19106 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13W8Fj-000Dxi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:14:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:18:49 GMT Message-Id: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From: Ray Dawson >Could you remind us please how much it will cost to upgrade if we aren't >new customers - then I can put my cheque in the post :-) ukp 35 all inclusive. I'll try to set up some sort of credit card payment facility for those outside the UK (at a 10% premium to the above price). >From: Steven Pampling >> The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. >The v2.59 CD version I take it? 2.60 as it will be, yes. >> free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. >No card in the Jiffy bag so must refer to the older version. I could have sworn I saw a card with your name on, when I was looking for someone else. If I know the final destination of a copy I fill in the reg card to save any messing about. If you have a serial numuber >= 5000 then you get the final CD for free, and if you didn't get a reg card with your OPro, then I filled it in for you. >From: Adrian John Warrick >Errrm, on a slightly diferent note, I can recommend a very good database for >RiscOS systems.... ;-} Oh I just wrote a database program to handle all this stuff. Beats me what all the fuss is about (with dbase programs). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:44:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132787 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:44:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968120689:20:20001:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:24:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109915; 5 Sep 2000 2:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19120 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:16:04 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19117 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:16:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13W8Fw-000Dxi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:14:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:04:14 GMT Message-Id: <132746@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab Ruler X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In the current version (2.58) a rotated frame cannot display an accordingly >rotated Tab ruler, which is sometimes very inconvenient. I thought about this a lot, way back when I was writing that part of the program. >Could the next, eagerly awaited, version have this option implemented? Could do, yes. But won't. As of now the program and the documentation have met. For probably the first time ever. I'm inclined to leave well alone until I've shipped at least 1 CD. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:45:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132788 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:45:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968120743:20:22012:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:25:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021490; 5 Sep 2000 2:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19100 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:41 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19097 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13W8FW-000Dxi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:14:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:11:51 GMT Message-Id: <132726@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I load OvPro, the Beebug banner pops up at the start. I'm now using >version 2.58, so I don't know if it's classed as a Beebug version or your >version. Thats not the point. If you bought OPro post June 1999 and if it has a serial number greater than or equal to 5000 then you get the upgrade free. Otherwise you don't - in short because it is a 'Beebug' copy. >I can't remember if Beebug sent me a registration card when I ordered it >from them. If so, then I would have filled it in and sent it back. Beebug supplied registration cards with many copies (not all) and kept a list of those who registered. >When I get the CD version If (see above) >will I get a registration card with it? Nope. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:45:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132791 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:45:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968120295:10:10719:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:18:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113397; 5 Sep 2000 2:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19107 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:49 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19102 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13W8Fh-000Dxi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:14:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:15:19 GMT Message-Id: <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >For what it's worth David, if QuarkXPress import and export were >implemented then I would use OP in preference Story of my life... all the time people say implement feature 'A' and we'll use it. When I do so, they just change to saying implement feature 'B'. >I'm sure this must be somewhere on your WIBLI list. Any chance of knowing >how high up it is. I think on RISC OS, there's no chance. Maybe if there's a Win version of OPro it would be more important. I guess it would be little different to cracking the Impression file format, so could be done. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:45:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132793 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:45:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968120314:10:11050:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:18:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010934; 5 Sep 2000 2:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19115 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:16:00 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17221 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:11:35 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.160.247]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05 Jun 27 2000 10:40:22) with SMTP id G0D34C01.37D for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:09:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 14:02:05 +0200 Subject: Tab ruler Message-ID: <49f8bd5deadelink@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Mr. Pilling, In the current version (2.58) a rotated frame cannot display an accordingly rotated Tab ruler, which is sometimes very inconvenient. Could the next, eagerly awaited, version have this option implemented? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:46:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132816 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:46:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968143529:10:23208:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:45:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023141; 5 Sep 2000 8:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20267 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:28:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20264 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:28:51 +0100 Received: from userek65.uk.uudial.com (brooke.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.13.175] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13WE4j-0004th-00; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:27:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:19:08 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Tab Ruler To: Ovation Pro Mailing-List In-Reply-To: <132746@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: Snipped ... further requests. > > As of now the program and the documentation have met. For probably the first > time ever. I'm inclined to leave well alone until I've shipped at least 1 CD. > > A very sound decision. May an arrogant user suggest that users and potential moaners spend the next few months reading and trying out the software according to the documentation. Perhaps afterwards, there maybe something of importance that merits attention. There may be some of us who can point out that the 'something' is obtainable without any amendment/alteration. To keep tacking layer upon layer, emulates the famous Bill Gates way of evolution and look what he ended up with. Think about it................. -- brooke@argonet.co.uk RISC OS Foundation Member -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:46:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132819 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:46:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968155447:10:00588:24; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:04:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000354; 5 Sep 2000 12:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21093 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:01:28 +0100 Received: from plutonium.uunet.be (plutonium.uunet.be [194.7.1.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21090 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:01:25 +0100 Received: from uu212-190-9-133 (uu212-190-9-133.unknown.uunet.be [212.190.9.133]) by plutonium.uunet.be (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23358 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:59:46 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:48:17 +0200 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f93ff0a8sclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Platform: A7000+ X-Processor: ARM7500fe Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Ray Dawson > >Could you remind us please how much it will cost to upgrade if we aren't > >new customers - then I can put my cheque in the post :-) > ukp 35 all inclusive. > I'll try to set up some sort of credit card payment facility for those > outside the UK (at a 10% premium to the above price). Not everyone has a credit card... Is it possible to pay by bank transfer? I assume you have a bank account. I have done this several times before (paying by bank transfer). It is easier than sending a cheque, the cheque can't get lost and it isn't that expensive either (usually about 5UKP, there are exceptions though) OTOH, if you are also coming to the RISC OS 2000 Show (Epsom 21 and 22 Oktober)... I'm still using a very old version of SparkFS (1.27) and I would like to upgrade (it still works, but it assumes filenames longer than 10 chars are impossible, especially when decoding uucoded binaries from news articles). [snip] > David Pilling Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:46:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132820 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:46:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968155451:10:00733:15; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:04:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029974; 5 Sep 2000 12:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21089 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:01:23 +0100 Received: from plutonium.uunet.be (plutonium.uunet.be [194.7.1.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21086 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:01:20 +0100 Received: from uu212-190-9-133 (uu212-190-9-133.unknown.uunet.be [212.190.9.133]) by plutonium.uunet.be (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23370 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:59:48 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:55:16 +0200 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f940945csclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Platform: A7000+ X-Processor: ARM7500fe Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >For what it's worth David, if QuarkXPress import and export were > >implemented then I would use OP in preference > Story of my life... all the time people say implement feature 'A' > and we'll use it. When I do so, they just change to saying implement > feature 'B'. I guess they should use open source file formats when transferring documents between different platforms. > >I'm sure this must be somewhere on your WIBLI list. Any chance of knowing > >how high up it is. > I think on RISC OS, there's no chance. Maybe if there's a Win version of OPro > it would be more important. I guess it would be little different > to cracking the Impression file format, so could be done. Nothing stops them from writing a QuarkXPress->DDL converter themselves. ICBW but I don't think you can find any documentation about the QuarkXPress file format (because it is proprietary). > David Pilling Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 15:33:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132837 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 15:33:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968161857:20:17528:21; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:50:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017601; 5 Sep 2000 13:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21577 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:48:48 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21573 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:48:42 +0100 Received: from modem-199.dragon-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.1.199] helo=localhost) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13WJ4A-0003e3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:47:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:13:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab Ruler Message-ID: <49f92c4aafsimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132746@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132746@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <132746@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > time ever. I'm inclined to leave well alone until I've shipped at > least 1 CD. its mine, mine I say!! Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 18:42:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132840 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 18:42:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968165285:10:03155:16; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:48:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002039; 5 Sep 2000 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21787 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:35:14 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21784 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:35:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WJnH-000BrY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:33:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:07:17 GMT Message-Id: <132835@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Not everyone has a credit card... Is it possible to pay by bank transfer? Yes. No problem. >OTOH, if you are also coming to the RISC OS 2000 Show (Epsom 21 and 22 >Oktober)... I'm not. >I'm still using a very old version of SparkFS (1.27) Its been greatly improved since then. Just send me your original disc either with return postage, or with an order for something else. >I guess they should use open source file formats when transferring documents >between different platforms. Well I'd be interested to know if there is any sort of open format for DTP documents at all. For example even something like the Quark equivalent of OPro DDL would be useful - specific to one program, but open in the sense it lets others generate documents. Time has moved on, and it seems the Quark XML program is little more than an advanced form of mail merge for import, and the usual rip out text with styles effort for export. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 18:42:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132844 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 18:42:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968169152:20:09990:16; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:52:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111932; 5 Sep 2000 15:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22050 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:50:29 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22047 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:50:27 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF89A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.248.154]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30146 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:48:58 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:47:35 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:47:36 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 05 Sep 2000 17:47:36 +0200 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:47:36 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <60d955f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132835@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132835@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 968168903 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <132835@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > Well I'd be interested to know if there is any sort of open format for DTP > documents at all. For example even something like the Quark equivalent of > OPro DDL would be useful - specific to one program, but open in the sense it > lets others generate documents. > What about GhostScript? (Erm, will I have to duck, or something?). Back in those times that are forgotten I used to have an app on my pizza-box (NeXT) which referred to itself as a PostScript Editor. Blimey, all so-what-ness put aside, it felt mighty swell loading some *.ps file and then go about and change some font, edit text tweak images and such. With some files it didn't offer much but such is PostScript. Now I don't mean OP should be turned into a universal PS editor but decide upon a reasonable syntax and work that. No need to be able to read every piece of PS but if most other apps can make sense of it - fine. I hope I haven't provoked any raving and shouting but this still has me enchanted. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 18:43:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132848 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 18:43:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968170817:10:19288:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:20:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019240; 5 Sep 2000 16:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22197 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:18:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22194 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:18:39 +0100 Received: from userad78.uk.uudial.com (62.188.131.121) [62.188.131.121] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13WLPN-0005PU-00; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:17:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:34:03 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f928a9e3awarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Adrian John Warrick Errrm, on a slightly > >diferent note, I can recommend a very good database for RiscOS systems.... > > ;-} > Oh I just wrote a database program to handle all this stuff. Beats me > what all the fuss is about (with dbase programs). And there I was thinking you filled in cards and saved them in a card index. Can't think where that idea came from! 8-} Adrian -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 20:27:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132860 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 20:27:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968177651:20:12020:19; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:14:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012183; 5 Sep 2000 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22534 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:12:54 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22531 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:12:52 +0100 Received: from modem-73.spotted-trigger.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.41.201] helo=modem-73) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13WNBv-0007IN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:22 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f9630306rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f928a9e3awarrick@argonet.co.uk> References: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49f928a9e3awarrick@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Adrian John Warrick wrote: > On 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >From: Adrian John Warrick Errrm, on a > > >slightly diferent note, I can recommend a very good database for > > >RiscOS systems.... > > > ;-} > > Oh I just wrote a database program to handle all this stuff. Beats me > > what all the fuss is about (with dbase programs). > And there I was thinking you filled in cards and saved them in a card > index. Can't think where that idea came from! Maybe the buff envelopes with the typed labels :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 21:52:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132870 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 21:51:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968182230:10:06218:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:30:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125422; 5 Sep 2000 19:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22764 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:29:00 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22761 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:28:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WONY-0007xb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:27:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:52:10 GMT Message-Id: <132856@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What about GhostScript? As I understand it PostScript loses information, so you couldn't necessarily preserve frames or their link to their contents. There's been a lot of chat about this over the years. Adobe InDesign was supposed to be able to load and edit PDF (but didn't work out quite as good as that sounds). I wonder what state of the art is in reading PS files. To give one example ISTR that post Acorn demise various people were stuck with Acorn manuals in PS format and wanted to do things with them. The originals were in Framemaker format (yet another Adobe DTP program). So it ends up as kind of an OCR effort, reading the text then trying to work out how it fits together. Probably you'd be on better ground interpreting the PS output of just one program, because it may give clues to the source document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 22:39:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132878 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 22:39:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968187582:20:19442:15; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:59:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019399; 5 Sep 2000 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23074 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:53:43 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23071 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:53:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WPhX-000COR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:52:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:31:57 GMT Message-Id: <132867@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Maybe the buff envelopes with the typed labels :-) Well yes so far everything related to my business has been handled on paper. And I did type all the lables for jiffy bags on a typewriter. That developed problems earlier this year, so I use an ink jet now. No eating ones own dog food here... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 01:13:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132879 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 01:13:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968191387:10:20778:15; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:03:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020550; 5 Sep 2000 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23266 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:01:32 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23263 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:01:30 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.78] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13WQl5-0001UQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:00:00 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:53:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:54:11 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <5a6977f949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132856@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >What about GhostScript? > > As I understand it PostScript loses information, so you couldn't > necessarily preserve frames or their link to their contents. > > There's been a lot of chat about this over the years. Adobe InDesign > was supposed to be able to load and edit PDF (but didn't work out > quite as good as that sounds). > > I wonder what state of the art is in reading PS files. To give one example > ISTR that post Acorn demise various people were stuck with Acorn manuals in > PS format and wanted to do things with them. The originals were in > Framemaker format (yet another Adobe DTP program). > As I understand it, it is possible to have a variety of postscript descriptions that would produce the same bitmap (i.e. RIP) output. Some varieties preserve more information about objects than others, and so some are more editable than others. For example, if text has been reduced to 'curves' then I guess you can forget about editing it. I've seen a lot of confusing discussion of InDesign, so I'm not quite sure exactly where it is now but PDF is indeed going down the route of allowing object hierarchies to be specified within documents. I understand that this is to allow some kind of accommodation with XML. It is possible to use Acrobat + plug-ins as a fully featured PS editor but it is still only suitable for making relatively minor modifications and tweaks. You can do things such as change fonts, edit text, move objects, convert from RGB to CMYK etc which are needed in the pre-press industry. However, a single plug-in would cost more than a complete OvPro. Current PDF formats (and we are up to 1.4 apparently, though the latest version of the Acrobat program only handles 1.3) seem to have provision for optional object hierarchical data to be stored within the document file - so you might be able to produce PDF files which retained frame info. However, I don't see how this could be recovered from a PS file. By the way, was Framemaker originally an Adobe program or did they buy it? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 01:13:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132883 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 01:13:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968195474:10:20268:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:11:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020146; 5 Sep 2000 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23536 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:58:37 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23533 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:58:35 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-37-68.btinternet.com [212.140.37.68]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12897 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:56:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000905234507.00a7ae00@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:57:40 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: QuarkXPress import/export In-Reply-To: <49f940945csclaes@aaug.net> References: <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA23534 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB23536 Status: R > > I think on RISC OS, there's no chance. Maybe if there's a Win version= =20 > of OPro > > it would be more important. I guess it would be little different > > to cracking the Impression file format, so could be done. > >Nothing stops them from writing a QuarkXPress->DDL converter themselves. >ICBW but I don't think you can find any documentation about the QuarkXPr= ess >file format (because it is proprietary). Well, I can understand David not wanting to spend the time on doing this = as=20 it would probably have a limited requirement and not repay the time and=20 expense. It was only a thought. However, and didn't you just know there=20 would be one of those. :-) 1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle commen= t.=20 I have to say that a Windows version could wipe the floor with the=20 competition on features. 2: Personally, I think that Quark and maybe Pagemaker file compatibility = is=20 more important on RISC OS than on Windows. The reason being, that RISC OS= =20 users do not have the opportunity to use Quark or Pagemaker without buyin= g=20 another machine. 3: I think that the file format would be attainable if you joined their=20 developers' scheme. This isn't cheap though, and would up the cost of=20 providing the facility. For my part, I wouldn't baulk at =A330-=A350 for = a good=20 Quark import/export utility. Whether there are enough other users to make= =20 it feasible though, is one question. Whether anyone wants to sit down and= =20 write the converter is another. Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 13:03:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132904 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 13:03:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968204651:20:05120:16; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:44:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004933; 6 Sep 2000 1:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23933 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:43:16 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23928 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:43:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WUDl-000Kg0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:41:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:17:24 GMT Message-Id: <132886@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >By the way, was Framemaker originally an Adobe program or did they buy it? They bought it. They also bought Pagemaker (Aldus?). When I was writing the previous reply I did think to mention that Alternative Publishing (ImageFS) was working on a PostScript editor once upon a time. But I thought maybe it was a secret or no longer going on, well I've just read more or less the contents of the above paragraph on c.s.a. Seemingly work is going on with most of the former staff of RISC OS Ltd. Be interesting to see what it can do, and if it runs on RISC OS. When you think about it a lot of these companies MS, Quark etc. depend on controlling their own file formats. So when Mr. Gates says everything is moving to XML, he probably means that he's told his staff to produce a new file format every week for the forseeable future. So not too sure about their enthusiasm for open file formats. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 13:03:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132906 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 13:03:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968204659:20:05279:17; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:44:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005251; 6 Sep 2000 1:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23936 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:43:19 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23932 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:43:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WUDn-000Kg0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:41:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:20:18 GMT Message-Id: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? I suppose it would be nice to do Be OS or Linux versions, that is possible once I have a platform independent version of the program. But I think the realistic plan would be to have a Win version in say six months. >2: Personally, I think that Quark and maybe Pagemaker file compatibility is >more important on RISC OS than on Windows. The reason being, that RISC OS >users do not have the opportunity to use Quark or Pagemaker without buying >another machine. To an extent, most RISC OS users have by now found a reason to buy a PC, to browse the web or whatever. >3: I think that the file format would be attainable if you joined their >developers' scheme. Well maybe. Although Adobe seem to have reverse engineered the Quark format for InDesign. I don't know how Quark extensions work, but I guess they may depend on the file format. >For my part, I wouldn't baulk at 30-50 a good Quark import/export utility. Its all a mystery to me... how many others would pay that much. You'd need perhaps 500. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 13:03:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132911 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 13:03:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968225013:20:03562:17; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:23:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112710; 6 Sep 2000 7:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24667 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:03:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA24664 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:03:16 +0100 Received: from userb651.uk.uudial.com (193.149.83.126) [193.149.83.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13WZDO-0001t1-00; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:01:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:05:01 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f967ec9csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Steven Pampling > >> The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. > >The v2.59 CD version I take it? > 2.60 as it will be, yes. Ah, another slightly modified version in the offing. > >> free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. > >No card in the Jiffy bag so must refer to the older version. > I could have sworn I saw a card with your name on, when I was looking > for someone else. > If I know the final destination of a copy I fill in the reg card to > save any messing about. Ah, that's were it didn't go :-) Filled in and retained there when you sent out the v 2.59 CD > If you have a serial numuber >= 5000 then you get the final CD for free, > and if you didn't get a reg card with your OPro, then I filled it in for > you. Curiouser, and curiouser: I click on the 2.59 install and the transient splash bit announces my name and (current) address but the serial number it quotes is 01198 - which was the serial number from the original purchase (via beebug) Must have been done at your end since the copy direct off the CD shows the same thing. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 13:03:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132914 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 13:03:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968226511:20:09362:20; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:48:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122459; 6 Sep 2000 7:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24827 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:43:43 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24824 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:43:40 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05329 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:42:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <39B5F54E.FEDAD726@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 08:42:06 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export References: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > Snip Will they be able to read each others files? Re the CD after upgrading will my version count as one of yours or still count as a beebug version? -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 13:08:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132972 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 13:08:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968240803:10:20006:19; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:46:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111177; 6 Sep 2000 11:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25581 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:43:29 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25578 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:43:27 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF9D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.249.215]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11131 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:42:01 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:10:19 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:10:16 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 06 Sep 2000 11:10:14 +0200 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:10:14 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <4e4eb5f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 968240482 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > > I suppose it would be nice to do Be OS or Linux versions, that is possible > once I have a platform independent version of the program. But I think > the realistic plan would be to have a Win version in say six months. > > I figure a Windows version would go down the Xara route. A Be version, *cool*, I'd like that - but don't expect too many sales. A Linux version *way cool*, OP in shiny GTK, what can I say, go ahead. Sales-wise there must be something innit, but things are still a bit different in penguin-land. [snip] Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 14:24:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132983 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 14:24:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968242629:10:07553:17; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:17:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115416; 6 Sep 2000 12:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25953 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:14:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25950 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:14:23 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13We4Y-000JeQ-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:12:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:32:51 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Windows version (was: QuarkXPress import/export) Message-ID: <3fe2b1f949.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In a previous posting, David Pilling wrote: > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle > >comment. > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? Well, if the files were compatible, it would be an interesting chance to see whether it was as easy to use as the RISC OS version. It's just a shame that many of the applets that exist for the RISC OS version would presumably not work, as they rely on RISC OS templates and sprites. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 15:10:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132999 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 15:10:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968246879:11:12545:26; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:27:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112649; 6 Sep 2000 13:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26407 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:26:30 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26404 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:26:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WfCD-00043y-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:24:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:14:30 GMT Message-Id: <132979@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I click on the 2.59 install and the transient splash bit announces my name >and (current) address but the serial number it quotes is 01198 - which was >the serial number from the original purchase (via beebug) Ah but you (I now realise) are in yet another class, those who have already paid for the CD and been given a prerelease copy in the meantime. Obviously you will get the final CD. Thats the deal, thats what you paid for. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 15:10:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133000 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 15:10:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968246919:10:24896:14; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:28:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114379; 6 Sep 2000 13:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26402 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:26:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26399 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:26:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WfC3-00043y-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:24:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:12:32 GMT Message-Id: <132977@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>>1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. >> No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? >Will they be able to read each others files? Yes. Although I have ideas on how to do things better, the most likely first step would be to port the program exactly as it stands, including the file format. >Re the CD after upgrading will my version count as one of yours >or still count as a beebug version? After the upgrade all copies will be equal. All traces of Beebug will be gone. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:23:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133005 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968249552:10:28836:14; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:12:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028576; 6 Sep 2000 14:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26736 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:10:03 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26731 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:10:00 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13WfsR-0003Vi-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:08:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:04:53 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 06 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > > I suppose it would be nice to do Be OS or Linux versions, that is possible > once I have a platform independent version of the program. But I think > the realistic plan would be to have a Win version in say six months. (snip) > >For my part, I wouldn't baulk at 30-50 a good Quark import/export utility. > > Its all a mystery to me... how many others would pay that much. You'd > need perhaps 500. Wouldn't it be wiser to make an InDesign PDF import filter for RO Ovation and base the Windows/Linux Ovation version on the same PDF type? If InDesign will take part of Quark's market it will be an advantage to use the same filetype. Quark is able to export PDF. A combined DTP program + PDF editor in the RO, Windows and Linux market will be more attractive. Though a Quark import utility would be nice for the job I'm working on right now, I'm afraid it is a complicated job to make a utility like that and I doubt there is enough demand after the work is done. BTW, I would pay 30 UKP for a Tiff version of !SPrinter. That must be a lot easier to write. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:23:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133008 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968249618:20:29998:16; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:13:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029944; 6 Sep 2000 14:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26740 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:10:07 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26737 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:10:05 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-41-23.btinternet.com [212.140.41.23]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19745 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:08:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000906150139.00ab3b00@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:08:46 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export In-Reply-To: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 01:20 06/09/00 +0000, you wrote: > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. > >No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? I'd better start saving now then, especially if the plan is to have some level of Quark file compatibility. The main reason I doubted you were serious was that as CC failed to break into the Windows market without selling/licencing Xara to Corel, I felt that as an individual you may have an even harder time. While I don't mind using Windows itself, the limitations of Quark after being used to OP do frustrate me from time to time. Best of luck. Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:23:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133010 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968249830:20:04885:15; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:17:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129956; 6 Sep 2000 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26795 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:12:49 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26783 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:12:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13Wfv5-0008bo-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:11:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:36:55 GMT Message-Id: <132993@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows version (was: QuarkXPress import/export) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It's just a shame that many of the applets that exist for the RISC OS >version would presumably not work, as they rely on RISC OS templates and >sprites. Hmm thats a good point. In any conversion one big thing is the templates, whether to do them by hand or set up some code to do it. There is a lot in common between the way Win windows are defined and RISC OS templates. However usually in Win apps the templates are bound into the main program code. I've not noticed a standard format for Win 'templates' that is loaded at run time - any suggestions? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:23:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133009 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968251274:10:10730:40; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:41:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118989; 6 Sep 2000 14:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26824 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:13:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26810 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:12:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WfvA-0008bo-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:11:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:37:04 GMT Message-Id: <132997@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Missing background colour in printout X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Any ideas of the cause? I can't tell if it is OPro, !Printers (1.6 >something) or something else. No idea, as long as the file is not massive I'd be interested to see it. The tests I'd do are printing to 'SPrinter' and of course just paring the file down to the nub of the problem. A document with just a rotated text frame in shouldn't be too big. Presumeably if things work as you say you have a workaround - transparent text frame with the text in, over filled non-rotated frame to get the background. As to blame, if this is a plain text frame then probably a printers problem. If it has a graduated fill, then could be anything. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:23:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133013 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968251001:20:29869:41; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:36:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111116; 6 Sep 2000 14:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27085 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:35:20 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27081 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:35:18 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.20] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13WgGv-0001EJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:33:53 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:12:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:13:15 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <4fcd1f949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e4eb5f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. > > > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > > > > I suppose it would be nice to do Be OS or Linux versions, that is possible > > once I have a platform independent version of the program. But I think > > the realistic plan would be to have a Win version in say six months. > > > > > I figure a Windows version would go down the Xara route. You mean a big windows company would buy David out and then let the program languish? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:23:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133014 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968252010:11:14409:15; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:53:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114439; 6 Sep 2000 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26813 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:12:58 +0100 Received: from esebh02nok.ntc.nokia.com (esebh02nok.ntc.nokia.com [131.228.118.151]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25102 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:13:08 +0100 From: Received: by esebh02nok with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:11:33 +0300 Message-ID: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Missing background colour in printout Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:11:32 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Here is a problem that has been annoying me for a few days: I have an OPro 2.58 doc with a 90deg rotated frame (Grey background, white text) amongst other text frames. The whole page prints ok except for the following: If I print at 300dpi on HPLasJet4 driver, the frame is printed correctly If I print at 300dpi on BJC7100 photoreal driver, the frame is printed correctly BUT If I print at 600dpi on HPLasJet4 driver, the frame is blank If I print at 600dpi on BJC7100 photoreal driver, the frame is blank Now for the funny bit. If I change the text to black, it prints the text ok (but black on white), so it seems that it is just the background colour not being printed. If I use a non-rotated frame this prints the background colour ok, but of course the text is now at the wrong angle! Any ideas of the cause? I can't tell if it is OPro, !Printers (1.6 something) or something else. If anyone wants to try the file on their printer, I can e-mail it to you. Cheers, Jonathan Mist -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:23:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133016 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968253149:11:23241:16; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:12:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123361; 6 Sep 2000 15:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27458 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:05:07 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27455 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:05:06 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13Wgji-00050H-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:03:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:40:29 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4e4eb5f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 06 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. > > > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > > > > I suppose it would be nice to do Be OS or Linux versions, that is possible > > once I have a platform independent version of the program. But I think > > the realistic plan would be to have a Win version in say six months. > > > > > I figure a Windows version would go down the Xara route. A Be version, > *cool*, I'd like that - but don't expect too many sales. A Linux version > *way cool*, OP in shiny GTK, what can I say, go ahead. Sales-wise there > must be something innit, but things are still a bit different in > penguin-land. Xara is bought back by Xara Ltd. (aka Charles Moir still ?). Corel is in financial troubles so that may have been the chance to get it back. Once Mr. Moir admitted it wasn't wise to let Corel do the marketing, wonder what he plans now to increase the sales. For a smaller company the base of existing users may be big enough though. A new version 'Xara X' will be developed with Flash export, drawing tablet support and brushes etc. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:23:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133018 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968255543:10:24193:18; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:52:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115886; 6 Sep 2000 15:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27757 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:49:18 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27754 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:49:17 +0100 Received: from modem-168.heniochus.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.26.168] helo=modem-168) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13WhPb-0000QW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:46:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:47:05 +0100 Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <49f9d9a3a0rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4fcd1f949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <4e4eb5f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4fcd1f949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: > > I figure a Windows version would go down the Xara route. > You mean a big windows company would buy David out and then let > the program languish? You mean Beebug would buy it back? :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:23:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133017 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968252753:20:09398:17; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:05:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114658; 6 Sep 2000 15:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26809 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:12:57 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26794 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:12:49 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0G0G00EIJY2YMD@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:11:23 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:10:53 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export In-reply-to: <4e4eb5f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <1f53d6f949.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 References: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e4eb5f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4e4eb5f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. > > > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > > > > I suppose it would be nice to do Be OS or Linux versions, that is possible > > once I have a platform independent version of the program. But I think > > the realistic plan would be to have a Win version in say six months. > > > > > I figure a Windows version would go down the Xara route. A Be version, > *cool*, I'd like that - but don't expect too many sales. A Linux version > *way cool*, OP in shiny GTK, what can I say, go ahead. Sales-wise there > must be something innit, but things are still a bit different in > penguin-land. > I agree here with Martin, altough OP is quite good and superior in certain ways (asp. ease of use) a windows version won't stand out of the crowd and will be punished by lack of filters, features etc since much of the eas of use will be lost in the windows way of working. Well maybe not punished, but DTP-people won't switch to it since they are used to their programs and there's no real reason to switch. While on the other hand linux still lacks any kind of DTP program, so a linux version of OP would be a better way to go, since more and more vector programs appear there. But i think a compatible version for linux, beos, windows, risc os and maybe mac os might get a reasonable user group outside risc os. If there will ever be a linux version, i'll buy it. Regards Steven M. Ottens Managing Director -- O'dd : Ottens' Dutch Designs - 2d, 3d and 4d designs Site : http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com/ Mail : info@ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:23:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133019 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968255907:10:02206:44; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:58:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002358; 6 Sep 2000 15:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27839 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:56:47 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27832 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:56:44 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BFAD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.250.210]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30971 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:55:14 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:30:25 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:30:19 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 06 Sep 2000 17:30:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:30:18 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <231ad8f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e4eb5f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <1f53d6f949.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> In-Reply-To: <1f53d6f949.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 968255683 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <1f53d6f949.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> you wrote: > In message <4e4eb5f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> > Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > If there will ever be a linux version, i'll buy it. > Seconded, it will join Railroad Tycoon 2 then, the only Linux Software I ever bought :) Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:24:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133022 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:23:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968255867:20:14750:23; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:57:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103350; 6 Sep 2000 15:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27851 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:56:57 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27847 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:56:53 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BFAD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.250.210]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA31000 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:55:20 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:42:16 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:42:12 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 06 Sep 2000 17:42:10 +0200 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:42:10 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <4c30d9f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 968255683 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Wed 06 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > > In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > Xara is bought back by Xara Ltd. (aka Charles Moir still ?). > Corel is in financial troubles so that may have been the chance > to get it back. Once Mr. Moir admitted it wasn't wise to let Corel > do the marketing, wonder what he plans now to increase the sales. > For a smaller company the base of existing users may be big enough > though. A new version 'Xara X' will be developed with Flash export, > drawing tablet support and brushes etc. > They might as well have called it a day. The few connoiseurs who will go for Xara won't ever make it more than a blowfly. If it was shareware, maybe. These things don't work on planet Windows, I shall say it again. Not a whelk chance in a supernova, see, I don't want OP thrown in that bilge for no good. Aahhh... is everybody reading me now ;) Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 18:24:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133024 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 18:24:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968255913:20:16226:15; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:58:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015712; 6 Sep 2000 15:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27840 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:56:48 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27834 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:56:44 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BFAD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.250.210]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30989 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:55:16 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:27:14 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:27:08 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 06 Sep 2000 17:27:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:27:07 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <87cfd7f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <4fcd1f949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4fcd1f949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 968255683 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4fcd1f949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> you wrote: > Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > > > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. > > > > > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > > > > > > I suppose it would be nice to do Be OS or Linux versions, that is possible > > > once I have a platform independent version of the program. But I think > > > the realistic plan would be to have a Win version in say six months. > > > > > > > > I figure a Windows version would go down the Xara route. > > You mean a big windows company would buy David out and then let > the program languish? > Oops, no, I was thinking of Xara's story (at least over here in Germany). There was an initial rush of interest (!) which lasted for half a year at best. After that it just faded out of sight. The problem is You have to join the "new version" rigmarole on planet Windows or You drop below the markets perception horizon (whew, did I really write that). Atop of that doing a Windows version properly (s.a.) will soon be a hell of a full-time job (and make that a double). Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 19:18:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133039 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 19:18:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968263151:10:20085:16; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:59:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019940; 6 Sep 2000 17:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28513 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:53:36 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28510 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:53:34 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13WjMk-0008Dv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:52:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:43:06 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4c30d9f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 06 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > In on Wed 06 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > [snip] > > Xara is bought back by Xara Ltd. (aka Charles Moir still ?). > > Corel is in financial troubles so that may have been the chance > > to get it back. Once Mr. Moir admitted it wasn't wise to let Corel > > do the marketing, wonder what he plans now to increase the sales. > > For a smaller company the base of existing users may be big enough > > though. A new version 'Xara X' will be developed with Flash export, > > drawing tablet support and brushes etc. > > > They might as well have called it a day. The few connoiseurs who will > go for Xara won't ever make it more than a blowfly. If it was shareware, > maybe. These things don't work on planet Windows, I shall say it again. > Not a whelk chance in a supernova, see, I don't want OP thrown in that > bilge for no good. Aahhh... is everybody reading me now ;) To make it clear, I rather have Xara and Ovation Pro on Linux, there are large holes to be filled with DTP and vector illustration programs in that environment. There's even a chance that we get a nice RO style GUI on that OS with an RO style fontsystem etc if ROX and/or Impulse are continuing their development. But 1 % of the Windows market is still more than 50 % of the Linux market or 100 % of the RO market (figures not exact :-) ). Xara must have reached far more customers than ArtWorks ever did. I can only see that logic behind David's suggestions. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 20:49:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133045 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 20:48:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968265098:20:08216:25; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:31:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101138; 6 Sep 2000 18:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28627 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:21:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27683 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:28:07 +0100 Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Wh63-0009Rm-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:26:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:20:29 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export To: Ovation Pro Chat list In-Reply-To: <132977@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 06 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > >>> 1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an > >>> idle comment. > > >> No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > >Will they be able to read each others files? > > Yes. Although I have ideas on how to do things better, the most > likely first step would be to port the program exactly as it stands, > including the file format. That looks like a very good idea indeed. > >Re the CD after upgrading will my version count as one of yours > >or still count as a beebug version? > > After the upgrade all copies will be equal. All traces of Beebug > will be gone. And Amen to that. At last! Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 20:49:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133046 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 20:48:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968265297:11:12699:14; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:34:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001654; 6 Sep 2000 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28622 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:20:38 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28619 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:20:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13Wjmx-0000nq-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:19:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:28:02 GMT Message-Id: <133025@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From: Ernst Dinkla >Wouldn't it be wiser to make an InDesign PDF import filter for Ovation >and base the Windows/Linux Ovation version on the same PDF type? Well wisdom has seldom had anything to do with OPro. The motivation for a Win port are that it is reasonably simple. Writing a new program from scratch or making big changes wouldn't be. Having spent 8 years working on the program, I can't show it to anyone outside the RISC OS world, friends, neighbours, they all have Win PC's. I don't want to get into the 'future of RISC OS debate' but clearly if things don't take a turn for the better having a Win version might be the only way to keep the program going. Would a Win version actually sell? Hard to say. In PC terms it could be a total failure and still sell more copies than it has for RISC OS. There is obviously very serious competition on Windows, so the game would have to be to do something different to the big players, find a niche. >BTW, I would pay 30 UKP for a Tiff version of !SPrinter. That must be a >lot easier to write. I think the last issue of Archive describes a utility someone has written with the same functionality as SPrinter but a bit easier to use. Seemingly it is on the Archive disc, dunno about its status, freeware, shareware etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 22:19:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133047 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 22:19:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968274770:11:15483:19; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:12:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115370; 6 Sep 2000 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29152 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:09:28 +0100 Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA29149 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:09:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 12954 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2000 21:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.243) by murphys with SMTP; 6 Sep 2000 21:07:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:33:49 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Windows version To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <132993@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 06 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >It's just a shame that many of the applets that exist for the RISC OS > >version would presumably not work, as they rely on RISC OS templates and > >sprites. > > Hmm thats a good point. In any conversion one big thing is the templates, > whether to do them by hand or set up some code to do it. There is a lot in > common between the way Win windows are defined and RISC OS templates. > However usually in Win apps the templates are bound into the main program > code. I've not noticed a standard format for Win 'templates' that is loaded > at run time - any suggestions? > I'm not a programmer - not even OPro scripts - so if this is total bilge say so politely and ignore it. Is the DLL file system anything like extra bits called at run time? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 01:54:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133049 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 01:54:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968277366:20:23626:16; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:56:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2023116; 6 Sep 2000 21:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29319 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:50:49 +0100 Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29316 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:50:47 +0100 Received: from [212.126.141.198] (helo=gavinpc) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13Wn4M-000885-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:49:23 +0100 Message-ID: <009801c0184c$c8dece40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <133025@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:52:41 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export > ... snip.. having a Win version might be the only way to keep the program > going. > > Would a Win version actually sell? Hard to say. In PC terms it > could be a total failure and still sell more copies than it has for RISC OS. > ... snip ... Well I will certainly buy a Win version ( Can I place an advance order David?) - I have nearly all my business correspondence and Operating Manuals in OP and am feeling very vulnerable in RISC OS and am having to start migration to Win also eagerly awaiting Apricote Studios conversion of Prophet3 ( Very sad - as I go back to Acorn System1 and Atom !!) In theory would like to go the Linux route - but all my customers are Win!! Best regards Gavin -- Gavin Dewar gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 01:54:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133052 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 01:54:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968279264:11:21027:15; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:27:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120912; 6 Sep 2000 22:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29418 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:13:37 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29415 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:13:35 +0100 Received: from modem-111.banner-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.227.111] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13WnQP-0003BO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:12:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:04:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Speak. Message-ID: <49f9bfcd5cfrank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <49f526fd0dw-mcnee@argonet.co.uk> References: <49f34a1908john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <49f42c5255chris.dawson@aau User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49f526fd0dw-mcnee@argonet.co.uk>, William McNee wrote: > In article <49f42c5255chris.dawson@aaug.net>, Chris Dawson. > wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Is there any way of getting Speak start at a given point when > > using Opro? > > > > At the moment when I press the Speak button it always starts from > > the top. > > Thanks. > Position the carat where you want Speak to start from, then click > on the Speak button. I am currently running 2.58 and the standard lips always start at the beginning of the story containing the caret, no matter where the caret is. With David's assistance, this was solved for me by creating a new macro and associated button. The relevant reference is 31 March 98, "Various", from David Pilling. Essentials are quoted below. Quote: In Applets.!Speech.Library.Speech, near the end you'll find the fragment; if(isdefmacro("startspeech") == -1) { translate(help1); defmacro2(0,"startspeech","{if(activetype(TEXTFRAME)>1) speech_story(1);else bbc_vdu(7);}","startspeech",help1); } The game is to copy this fragment below itself, and then tweek it so as to add the speak from the caret function/button. You'll have to replace the strings "startspeech" with "startspeechc", and the main change is to replace the (1) after speech_story with (0). Unquote. I don't remember where the button came from, but it is simply the pair of lips with a superimposed letter 'C' in blue. Email me if you need it. The new button needs to be placed in ..!OvnPro.Applets.!Speech.AResources.Buttons22 The modified macro definition produced an extra line in the Speech applet menu: Document window Menu->Applets->Speech->Speak story Speak from caret ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Stop speaking Caret Tracking Speak as you type and a new entry in the 'Macros' dialogue box to which I added the button through the 'Edit...' button at the bottom which opens a box from which the sprite can be selected. I don't know if all this will be included in version 2.60, but if not, I will soon re-instate as necesary. Email me if more is required. Regards. Frank. P.S. Apologies for the slow response. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 2.02b and Ovation Pro 2.58 on RPC, SA, OS 4.02. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 13:16:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133074 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 13:16:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968290335:20:16052:16; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 01:32:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103990; 7 Sep 2000 1:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29874 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:30:03 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29868 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:30:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WqUW-000GZN-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:28:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 02:00:40 GMT Message-Id: <133064@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows version X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is the DLL file system anything like extra bits called at run time? Yes. Dynamic Link Libraries, bits of programs that are loaded separately from the main program. Akin to RISC OS modules. A clever idea because the same code can be shared by a number of programs. In reality, "DLL hell" has resulted with clashing versions, so (I gather) in future Windows the OS will arrange it so that each program uses its own version of the DLL. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 13:16:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133077 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 13:16:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968313367:10:24367:22; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 07:56:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024286; 7 Sep 2000 7:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30600 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:53:49 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30597 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:53:47 +0100 Received: from gate.confusion.org ([62.253.135.171]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with ESMTP id AAA26131 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:49:31 +0100 Received: from chaos.confusion.org (root@chaos.confusion.org [192.168.1.1]) by gate.confusion.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA01423 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:52:21 +0100 Received: from chaos.confusion.org (ben@chaos.confusion.org [192.168.1.1]) by chaos.confusion.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA05708 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:52:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:52:20 +0100 (BST) From: Ben Jameson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Porting OPro to other operating systems In-Reply-To: <133025@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro With all of this talk of doing a Windows port of Ovation Pro I wonder what the possibility of doing a Mac port is? (particularly to Mac OS X)? I do think that there's a real market for a good page layout tool at Ovation's price point on the Mac, certainly no alternatives come readily to mind. Of course I guess that David already has the facilities / knowledge for a Windows version and that this may be altogether more complicated. Ben. -- Ben Jameson - Cambridge - UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 13:16:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133081 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 13:16:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968316494:10:14365:27; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:48:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114034; 7 Sep 2000 8:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30840 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:46:40 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30837 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:46:38 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF8BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.248.186]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06488 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:45:08 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:42:07 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:43:01 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 07 Sep 2000 10:42:59 +0200 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:42:58 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <4ba536fa49.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 968316272 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Wed 06 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > > In on Wed 06 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > > > > In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > But 1 % of the Windows market is still more than 50 % of the Linux > market or 100 % of the RO market (figures not exact :-) ). Xara must > have reached far more customers than ArtWorks ever did. I can only see > that logic behind David's suggestions. > Yes there is a point in that too. If it wasn't for the "been there, done that" feeling I get, I would completely agree. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 13:16:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133083 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 13:16:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968320961:20:22617:31; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:02:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120826; 7 Sep 2000 10:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31071 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:52:50 +0100 Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.135]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31068 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:52:49 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1809.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.135.17]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA20769 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:51:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:54:16 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Porting OPro to other operating systems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 07 Sep, Ben Jameson wrote: > > With all of this talk of doing a Windows port of Ovation Pro I wonder what > the possibility of doing a Mac port is? -snipped If RISC OS would be available on a clone or a Mac I wouold buy one. Fortunately Castle and Microdigital are in business. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 13:16:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133089 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 13:16:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968320905:10:09201:15; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:01:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008842; 7 Sep 2000 10:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31115 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:55:39 +0100 Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.135]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31112 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:55:37 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1809.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.135.17]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21501; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:54:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:55:19 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Martin Vethake In-Reply-To: <4ba536fa49.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 07 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message you wrote: > > Xara must > > have reached far more customers than ArtWorks ever did. I can only see > > that logic behind David's suggestions. So, whatever happened to Xarah?.... I tried to order it for a customer. No go. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 13:17:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133092 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 13:16:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968322439:11:09122:15; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:27:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016663; 7 Sep 2000 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31251 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:12:54 +0100 Received: from smtp.pandora.be (hercules.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA31248 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:12:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 11192 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 10:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO riscpc.be) ([213.224.4.62]) (envelope-sender ) by hercules.telenet-ops.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Sep 2000 10:11:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:12:22 +0200 Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <49fa3ed4adjdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: References: <4ba536fa49.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA31249 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB31251 Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > So, whatever happened to Xarah?.... > I tried to order it for a customer. No go. You should be able to order Xara from http://www.xara.com/corelxara/ordering.html Jan. --=20 Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 13:18:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133098 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 13:18:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968323903:10:23980:21; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:51:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128106; 7 Sep 2000 10:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31559 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:50:03 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31546 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:50:01 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-49-86.btinternet.com [212.140.49.86]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16553 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:47:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000907114431.00a87a90@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:46:04 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export In-Reply-To: References: <4ba536fa49.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 11:55 07/09/00 +0200, you wrote: >On Thu 07 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > Xara must > > > have reached far more customers than ArtWorks ever did. I can only see > > > that logic behind David's suggestions. > >So, whatever happened to Xarah?.... > >I tried to order it for a customer. No go. Xara 2 is downloadable from the Xara website on 30 days trial. If you like it you get a code that removes the time limit. Have a look at www.xara.co.uk (I think). Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 13:18:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133101 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 13:18:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968326005:10:16307:18; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:26:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016262; 7 Sep 2000 11:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31731 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:22:30 +0100 Received: from rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk [129.215.144.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31728 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:22:29 +0100 Received: from babel.psy.ed.ac.uk (babel.psy.ed.ac.uk [129.215.50.68]) by rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13193 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:21:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from martinc by babel.psy.ed.ac.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.07) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 07 Sep 2000 12:21:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:21:41 +0100 From: Martin Corley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <302d45fa49.martinc@babel.psy.ed.ac.uk> References: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: University of Edinburgh User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (RemoteNB/1.07) (RISC-OS/3.71) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > 1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle > > comment. > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > > I suppose it would be nice to do Be OS or Linux versions, that is ^^^^^ Now you're talking. Wouldn't Linux be more attractive than Win anyway, as the market is still wide open for "mature" desktop applications...? -- Martin Corley ---- Department of Psychology Martin.Corley@ed.ac.uk University of Edinburgh ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 13:19:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133103 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 13:18:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968328815:10:24617:21; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:13:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113362; 7 Sep 2000 12:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31934 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:11:53 +0100 Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.135]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31931 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:11:51 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem3145.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.140.73]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28209; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:10:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:11:36 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Martin Corley In-Reply-To: <302d45fa49.martinc@babel.psy.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 07 Sep, Martin Corley wrote: > In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Now you're talking. Wouldn't Linux be more attractive than Win anyway, as > the market is still wide open for "mature" desktop applications...? Why did somebody design a RISC OS-alike GUI than? Because the Linux GUI is so good? Or 'X' for UNIX? Windows might not be as userfriendly as RISC OS but it seems that it is so attractive that a majority of non critical users is willing to cope with it (I don't, but we do sell the stuff...). With the above in mind, having a Jewish businesspartner and being partly (1/8th or something) Jewish myself, I can allow myself the following joke: The answer of a Jewish guy when somebody noticed that he was selling sardines that were totally rotten: 'they are for trade only! Not for consumption! Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 14:31:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133119 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 14:31:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968331233:11:02090:21; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:53:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021498; 7 Sep 2000 12:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32157 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:48:52 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32154 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:48:49 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BFAC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.250.199]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA11217 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:47:20 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:34:39 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:36:20 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 07 Sep 2000 14:36:19 +0200 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:36:19 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <32024cfa49.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 968330811 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: [snip] > Why did somebody design a RISC OS-alike GUI than? Because > the Linux GUI is so good? Or 'X' for UNIX? > That is probably not a question of GUI. I don't think RISC OS GUI looks as good as my enlightenment setup. But what is missing under 'nix is a filer like RISC OS has. Mind You Explorer may be pants but the stuff 'nix has is way behind. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 15:34:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133122 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 15:34:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968335773:20:23518:20; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:09:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103550; 7 Sep 2000 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32401 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:03:50 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32398 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:03:48 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13X2Fv-00055C-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:02:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:31:04 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <32024cfa49.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 07 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message you wrote: > [snip] > > Why did somebody design a RISC OS-alike GUI than? Because > > the Linux GUI is so good? Or 'X' for UNIX? > > > That is probably not a question of GUI. I don't think RISC OS > GUI looks as good as my enlightenment setup. But what is missing > under 'nix is a filer like RISC OS has. Mind You Explorer may be > pants but the stuff 'nix has is way behind. As an RO user one tends to think that a decent GUI includes the filer + a decent (RO) fontsystem with antialiasing. That kind of integration isn't so common on other OSses. Impulse is working on that for Linux but their development is done between exams and holidays. ROX lacks the fontsystem, the graphics of that GUI are not my taste either. There are enough usable GUIs 'sec' available on Linux. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 15:34:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133126 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 15:34:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968335742:10:20365:16; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:09:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107257; 7 Sep 2000 14:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32397 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:03:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32394 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:03:46 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13X2Fw-00055C-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:02:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:47:39 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Porting OPro to other operating systems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 07 Sep, Ben Jameson wrote: > > With all of this talk of doing a Windows port of Ovation Pro I wonder what > the possibility of doing a Mac port is? (particularly to Mac OS X)? I do > think that there's a real market for a good page layout tool at Ovation's > price point on the Mac, certainly no alternatives come readily to mind. Of > course I guess that David already has the facilities / knowledge for a > Windows version and that this may be altogether more complicated. Starting from a Windows written platform independent version it is not that much work to make the Mac, Linux, Be OS versions. David indicated that. EasiWriter goes the other way around, first a Mac version and if someone wants to sell/make the PC version, he can call Icon Technology for the deal. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 21:14:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133154 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 21:14:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968351650:10:10666:15; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:34:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010633; 7 Sep 2000 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00703 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:20:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00690 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:20:01 +0100 Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13X6Fu-000NMG-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:18:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 19:17:57 +0100 Subject: Printing Message-ID: <49fa6b4935david@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro As a recent convert to Ovation Pro (from Impression), I am trying to get to grips with its excellent features. One thing I usually do with Impression is to print 2 copies of the same A5 page onto one side of a piece of paper, then 2 copies of page 2 onto the back. I can manage to print one copy of each page side by side, then repeat this on the back, but this does not photocopy well. (By using Galley and rejecting the second sheet.) Any ideas, anyone. Thanks. David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 21:14:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133157 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 21:14:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968355986:20:27699:17; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 19:46:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114055; 7 Sep 2000 19:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00946 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:38:01 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00943 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:37:59 +0100 Received: from pbready ([62.252.147.96]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000907193634.OONR26680.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pbready> for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:36:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:36:33 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: XML (fwd) Message-ID: <687b72fa49.pbready@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm taking the liberty (and hopefully not breaching netiquette (ouch!) which seems to offend some) and forwarding this message from the Easiwriter mailing list to add to the discussion of standard interchange formats for consideration in OPro. Comenst (20 marks) ---------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:52:36 +0100 (BST) From: Roger Horne To: icon-users@egroups.com Subject: [icon-users] XML More and more companies seem to be producing add-ons to permit Word and Word Perfect to output XML. See eg http://www.hvltd.com/products/worx/worxdefault.asp . Any chance that TW will be able to do the same one day? ----------- End forwarded message ----------- Cheers -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 23:31:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133167 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 23:31:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968358308:11:29014:15; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:25:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128891; 7 Sep 2000 20:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01091 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:23:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01088 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:23:00 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13X8Aw-000CB2-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:21:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:02:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Printing Message-ID: <49fa6f5c84john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49fa6b4935david@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> References: <49fa6b4935david@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49fa6b4935david@croftsdt.demon.co.uk>, David Crofts wrote: > As a recent convert to Ovation Pro (from Impression), I am trying to get > to grips with its excellent features. > One thing I usually do with Impression is to print 2 copies of the same > A5 page onto one side of a piece of paper, then 2 copies of page 2 onto > the back. I can manage to print one copy of each page side by side, then > repeat this on the back, but this does not photocopy well. (By using > Galley and rejecting the second sheet.) > Any ideas, anyone. Yes Tick All same it's in Print setup Format -> thumbnails -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs designer products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services ** New Products - a range of unique modular board games ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 23:32:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133168 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 23:31:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968358525:11:04401:15; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:28:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004180; 7 Sep 2000 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01140 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:26:38 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01134 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:26:36 +0100 Received: from gwen ([62.255.36.207]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000907202511.OVPU26680.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:25:11 +0100 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Printing Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:21:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <49fa6b4935david@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Crofts wrote: > As a recent convert to Ovation Pro (from Impression), I am trying to get > to grips with its excellent features. > > One thing I usually do with Impression is to print 2 copies of the same A5 > page onto one side of a piece of paper, then 2 copies of page 2 onto the > back. > I can manage to print one copy of each page side by side, then repeat this > on the back, but this does not photocopy well. (By using Galley and > rejecting the second sheet.) Instead of Galley format, use Thumbnails, with "All same" ticked in the pull-down menu. You may need to twiddle with the "sideways" tickbox to get the right orientation, but that should get your 2-up printing. Later, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 23:32:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133170 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 23:32:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968361653:10:18367:16; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:20:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118259; 7 Sep 2000 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01436 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:18:43 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01433 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:18:41 +0100 Received: from modem-17.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.32.17] helo=localhost) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13X92q-0002zG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:17:16 +0100 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:08:39 +0100 From: sam To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Message-ID: <1ea7afa49%sam@loudounhill.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49fa6b4935david@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49fa6b4935david@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > As a recent convert to Ovation Pro (from Impression), I am trying to get > to grips with its excellent features. > > One thing I usually do with Impression is to print 2 copies of the same A5 > page onto one side of a piece of paper, then 2 copies of page 2 onto the > back. > I can manage to print one copy of each page side by side, then repeat this > on the back, but this does not photocopy well. (By using Galley and > rejecting the second sheet.) > > Any ideas, anyone. > > Thanks. > > David Crofts Put each page in separate OPro documents insert a blank first page, mark the text and copy it to make page 3 From the print dialogue box- select pamphlet, select range, write in 2 to 3,select back. this works for me Sam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 23:32:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133172 for opro ; Thu, 07 Sep 100 23:32:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968363776:10:03179:25; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:56:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109126; 7 Sep 2000 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01589 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:52:21 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01586 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:52:18 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust151.tnt8.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.110.151] with SMTP id XAA23233 (8.8.8/1.19); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:50:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <025701c01915$58e0a9a0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" Cc: "Gerald Lewis Fitton" References: <133025@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:58:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 06 Sept 2000, David Pilling wrote: > Well wisdom has seldom had anything to do with OPro. > > The motivation for a Win port are that it is reasonably simple. Writing a > new program from scratch or making big changes wouldn't be. Having spent 8 > years working on the program, I can't show it to anyone outside the RISC OS > world, friends, neighbours, they all have Win PC's. I don't want to get into > the 'future of RISC OS debate' but clearly if things don't take a turn for > the better having a Win version might be the only way to keep the program > going. As a user of Fireworkz on both platforms -Risc PC and Windows(NT) networked-, I can say, I really LIKE to have the possibility to work on the same documents on both platforms. Although the Windows version of Fireworkz is still 16-bits (eg no long filenames) it shows Risc OS Drawfiles and sprites (limited) can be used directly in Windows applications and retained, when using the same document again with Risc OS. The DrawFiles can be exported to CorelXARA and exported from Xara to another vector package. At the moment a 'native' Windows vector import filter isn't implemented. Sprites (limited in format) can be exported eg. as BMP's, edited and imported again as BMP's. The document can still be used on Risc OS. It can also retain all the styles and effects, including the use of fonts as TEXT. Even when the fonts are part of a DrawFile embedded in a Fireworkz document. Both true in Windows and Risc OS. Which fonts are used in Windows and which on RiscOS can be declared in one of the Config files. When done, the document uses in Windows the defined equivalents of the fonts used in Risc OS. For unknown fonts in DrawFiles, the fonts can be substituted -via a menu- before the doc gets loaded. (Sadly, exporting a DrawFile to CorelXARA doesn't retain the fonts or bitmaps inside DrawFiles inside a Fireworkz doc). I really would like to have an OvationPro with (extended) features as Fireworkz already offers on Windows. It is very nice to be platform independent and to be able to use 'one's preferred programs' of both computer-worlds. Hence, IMO, also Risc OS users (who also have a Windows computer) can profit a lot. I sincerely hope there will be a Windows version in the near future, And David, thanks for all the nice Risc OS programs, you have already 'produced'. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 8 02:46:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133176 for opro ; Fri, 08 Sep 100 02:46:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968372988:11:14698:19; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:29:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006495; 8 Sep 2000 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01950 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:28:30 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01947 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:28:28 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13XC0V-0002dr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:27:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:24:07 GMT Message-Id: <133164@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >More and more companies seem to be producing add-ons to permit Word and Word >Perfect to output XML. See eg >http://www.hvltd.com/products/worx/worxdefault.asp. Any chance that TW will >be able to do the same one day? Yes, but, word processing and DTP are different things. The way Word and Techwriter work fits in very nicely with HTML, web pages, and XML. The way frame based DTP works doesn't. As I said, if you look at the current Quark XML projects, they're little more than mail merge for input, and saving text stories with styles for output. Maybe the challenge is to work out how to use XML for DTP documents. Maybe frame based DTP is an evolutionary dead end. Documents in the future will have to adapt to the device they're being read on, like HTML is supposed to. Note that XML is (like TIFF files) one of these things which means what you want it to. After saving your DTP document in XML, you're not going to be able to load it into MS Word, only into another program that understands the DTP extensions to XML. And you will find that the only program which can load MS Word XML perfectly will be MS Word. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 8 14:31:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133193 for opro ; Fri, 08 Sep 100 14:31:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968405535:20:27804:19; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:32:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129507; 8 Sep 2000 9:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02962 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:23:56 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02959 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:23:53 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13XKMc-000Mdc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:22:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:29:33 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: XML (fwd) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <133164@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Thu 07 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Maybe the challenge is to work out how to use XML for DTP documents. Maybe > frame based DTP is an evolutionary dead end. Documents in the future will > have to adapt to the device they're being read on, like HTML is supposed to. XML and PDF as the exponents of resp. word processing and DTP will both have a future in cyberspace. To restrict a Windows (etc) DTP program to 'a proprietary file format' and 'for output on paper only' will make it a dead end in my opinion. Im- and export + editing of PDF will make it very attractive. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be able to import Ovation files. You could also make a nice simple, transparent, font selection menu this time ;-) This is not to criticize your existing applications, I thank you for all the RO applications you have made and that I use every day; SparkFS, ImgMaster, ArcFax, Ovation, SPrinter etc. But right now it is time to make the suggestions for the features you may be able to implant in, what will you call it, 'Bis' 'Encore' ? Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 8 17:46:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133228 for opro ; Fri, 08 Sep 100 17:45:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968423529:10:16935:36; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:32:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105437; 8 Sep 2000 14:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03798 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:27:31 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03795 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:27:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13XP6T-000L7C-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:26:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:13:44 GMT Message-Id: <133209@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >XML and PDF as the exponents of resp. word processing and DTP will both >have a future in cyberspace. Well maybe. Probably folks thought there was room for both scribes doing illuminated text and movable type in Guttenbergs days, but one day someone is going to say "so why pages?" and it will be back to something like a scroll. A vast amount of effort in DTP goes into pages and laying out precisely the position of things on those pages. All that goes out of the window if you impose device independence. >To restrict a Windows (etc) DTP program to 'a proprietary file format' Seems to have worked well for Quark and co. >You could also make a nice simple, transparent, font selection menu this >time ;-) Quite right, not one of the high points. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 8 17:59:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133239 for opro ; Fri, 08 Sep 100 17:59:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968431698:10:16843:14; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:48:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016705; 8 Sep 2000 16:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04207 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:47:15 +0100 Received: from vic20.linix.co.uk (vic20.linix.co.uk [195.219.30.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03142 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:07:04 +0100 Received: from dul-031.linix.co.uk ([195.219.7.31] helo=mail.nrc.org.uk ident=root) by vic20.linix.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 13XKOu-00054s-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:24:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 18538 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 16:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SERVER1) (192.168.0.1) by 192.168.0.2 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2000 16:42:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:41:59 +0100 From: Dave Brooks X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.36) S/N 3EA42095 Organization: NRC X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14737.000907@mail.nrc.org.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Xara availability Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello Everyone, I'm not keen on plugging Windows...but Xara are proposing a new version of Xara called XaraX! BTW a Windows version of OPro would be most welcome as my Acorn is sadly getting a bit long in the tooth and PC Hardware is sooooo cheap! Thanks, Dave dave.brooks@mail.nrc.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 8 17:59:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133240 for opro ; Fri, 08 Sep 100 17:59:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968432018:11:26440:19; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:53:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024438; 8 Sep 2000 16:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04212 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:47:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03349 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:40:11 +0100 Received: from wealdcom.demon.co.uk ([212.229.199.148]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13XMUY-000BTV-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:38:46 +0100 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:38:00 +0100 From: Stuart Murden To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: This is handy Message-ID: <6081cafa49.Stuart@wealdcom.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Wealdcom User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, As a new user I've just found this really cool feature which I guess you old hands all know about, but just in case ... I typed out the lines of a song at double spacing. Create a transparent text frame above with 'no text flow' Type out chords at double spacing pull box over the top offset by one line and hey presto to chords and words are two separate entities. This is also really great for 'parallel' texts in foreign languages. Then save each text frame as a separate OP doc for future use elsewhere. Brill! -- Using Acorn and Riscstation machines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 8 21:23:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133247 for opro ; Fri, 08 Sep 100 21:23:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968437566:10:21118:16; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:26:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021029; 8 Sep 2000 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04623 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:25:15 +0100 Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA04620 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:25:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 8303 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2000 18:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.35) by warrior with SMTP; 8 Sep 2000 18:23:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:22:50 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Windows version To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <133064@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Thu 07 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >Is the DLL file system anything like extra bits called at run time? > > Yes. Dynamic Link Libraries, bits of programs that are loaded > separately from the main program. Akin to RISC OS modules. > > A clever idea because the same code can be shared by a number of > programs. > > In reality, "DLL hell" has resulted with clashing versions, so (I gather) in > future Windows the OS will arrange it so that each program uses its own > version of the DLL. > > > David Pilling I thought a program already searches its own directory for DLLs it needs, then the Windows(\System) directories? Certainly DLLs can be in either location. I guess a clash depends on whether another program has already loaded an incompatible version. I was wondering whether you could make use of a DLL to translate the RISCOS templates to instead of having to embedd them within the main program code when you doo the Windows port. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 8 21:23:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133248 for opro ; Fri, 08 Sep 100 21:23:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968437667:10:22974:17; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:27:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022794; 8 Sep 2000 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04628 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:25:27 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04625 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:25:25 +0100 Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13XSoh-0002gQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:23:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:12:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Printing Message-ID: <49fad8a8acdavid@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49fa6f5c84john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <49fa6b4935david@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> <49fa6f5c84john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49fa6f5c84john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <49fa6b4935david@croftsdt.demon.co.uk>, David Crofts > wrote: > > One thing I usually do with Impression is to print 2 copies of the same > > A5 page onto one side of a piece of paper, then 2 copies of page 2 onto > > the back. I can manage to print one copy of each page side by side, then > > repeat this on the back, but this does not photocopy well. (By using > > Galley and rejecting the second sheet.) > > Any ideas, anyone. > Yes > Tick All same > it's in Print setup > Format -> thumbnails So simple - I knew it would be. I've tried it and it works. Many thanks! David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 9 14:10:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133292 for opro ; Sat, 09 Sep 100 14:10:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968504192:10:13054:18; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 12:56:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013013; 9 Sep 2000 12:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06898 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:51:19 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06895 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:51:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13Xk4u-000MfG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:49:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 03:13:10 GMT Message-Id: <133269@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows version X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I thought a program already searches its own directory for DLLs it needs, >then the Windows(\System) directories? Yes, and the problems start if the program has updated the copies of DLL's in the system directories or removed some. >I was wondering whether you could make use of a DLL to translate the RISCOS >templates to instead of having to embedd them within the main program code >when you doo the Windows port. No need for a DLL, just load a template file and translate it on the fly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 9 16:26:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133294 for opro ; Sat, 09 Sep 100 16:26:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968507178:20:13916:17; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:46:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106123; 9 Sep 2000 13:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07066 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:44:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07063 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:44:03 +0100 Received: from userep68.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.165) [62.188.15.165] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13Xktw-0003GV-00; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:42:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:55:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: <49fb556fd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <133064@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > I thought a program already searches its own directory for DLLs it needs, > then the Windows(\System) directories? Certainly DLLs can be in either > location. I guess a clash depends on whether another program has already > loaded an incompatible version. Depends on whether the exe was built to search in the \windows structure, or locally, or at a location specified by the programs own ini file -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 9 16:26:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133295 for opro ; Sat, 09 Sep 100 16:26:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968510927:20:29676:15; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 14:48:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123857; 9 Sep 2000 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07285 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:46:01 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07282 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:45:59 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id CC06CA7709 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:40:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from martinl.redhotant.com ([212.41.33.174]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 15:43:04 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 15:40:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Xara availability Message-ID: <49fb5f08c8martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: <14737.000907@mail.nrc.org.uk> References: <14737.000907@mail.nrc.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <14737.000907@mail.nrc.org.uk>, Dave Brooks wrote: > Hello Everyone, > I'm not keen on plugging Windows...but Xara are proposing a new > version of Xara called XaraX! BTW a Windows version of OPro would be > most welcome as my Acorn is sadly getting a bit long in the tooth and > PC Hardware is sooooo cheap! And soooooo unreliable! You get what you pay for. Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 9 22:32:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133314 for opro ; Sat, 09 Sep 100 22:32:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968528239:11:27146:15; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:37:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127196; 9 Sep 2000 19:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07949 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:35:32 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07946 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:35:30 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.15] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13XqNt-0001Ah-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 20:33:54 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 20:28:22 +0100 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 20:28:58 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <133164@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Maybe the challenge is to work out how to use XML for DTP documents. Maybe > frame based DTP is an evolutionary dead end. Documents in the future will > have to adapt to the device they're being read on, like HTML is supposed to. I think this is the key to understanding the push for XML. It is great for publishers who want to load their 'intellectual property' into databases and generate a variety of tailored outputs or, as you say, for documents that can be read on different hardware readers. But it means the death of design. There is an almost fanatical attachment in some quarters to the idea that page design is a conspiracy of publishers against readers, that content is all that matters. There's even an extreme liberal view in the US that also thinks all intellectual property should be free of charge and that XML is the mode of delivery. > > And you will find that the only program which can load MS Word XML > perfectly will be MS Word. You're being optimistic, of course! MSWord can't deal with all flavours of MSWord as it is. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 10 15:06:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133318 for opro ; Sun, 10 Sep 100 15:06:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968538768:10:08575:14; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:32:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106563; 9 Sep 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08356 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:31:37 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08353 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:31:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 21611 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2000 22:30:09 -0000 Received: from userbg98.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.142.218) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2000 22:30:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 20:02:01 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Message-ID: <49FB76FE09%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <133164@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <133164@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <133164@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > More and more companies seem to be producing add-ons to permit Word and > > Word Perfect to output XML. See eg [snip] > Yes, but, word processing and DTP are different things. [snip] It's heartening to read that, because I thought I was the only one who thought it. ;-) I have EW+ & OPro and use them both regularly. If I want to write a letter, I use EW+. When I produce the Parish mag', I use OPro. I have never understood the need to bully an app' onto doing something it isn't really suited to doing. The same goes for PCs, IMO. My computer of choice is the RPC, but I have a networked PC for the odd things that a PC can do better (or cheaper). [snip] > Maybe the challenge is to work out how to use XML for DTP documents. > Maybe frame based DTP is an evolutionary dead end. Documents in the > future will have to adapt to the device they're being read on, like HTML > is supposed to. Oh no! Look what a mess Word doc's get into simply because you have a different printer installed. [snip] > And you will find that the only program which can load MS Word XML > perfectly will be MS Word. I think you'd find that MS Word wouldn't load MS Word XML perfectly either. ;-) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example. Mark Twain -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 10 15:07:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133320 for opro ; Sun, 10 Sep 100 15:06:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968583775:10:09902:44; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:02:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107707; 10 Sep 2000 11:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09799 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:01:25 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09796 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:01:23 +0100 Received: from [195.102.201.71] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13Y4q7-0007ct-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:59:59 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:34:54 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:35:33 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Waddell wrote: > I am now > becoming familiar with M$ Office and I find Word not to be as bad as people > make out. For example, I find that the 'Autotext' facility is better than > drag and drop text file icons on the desktop and I embarked yesterday on use > of tables which I found vey good compared to drawing up tables in OvPro (and > I have copy 1100 and something). Yes, we've had long discussions about tables in OvPro before but the problem is, you are comparing a DTP program with a word processor. Tables in EW are just as good as in Word. It says a great deal for the ease of use of OvPro that so many people use it as a multipurpose document program. You wouldn't dream of using a page layout program such as Quark or Pagemaker to originate text. Instead, individual stories would be created in a program like word and then 'placed' on the page in the page layout program. When it comes to having documents printed, there is scarcely a printer or pre-press bureau across the world that encourages clients to use *any* MS program - including MS Publisher. Those that actually accept the work may quietly reoriginate in Quark and charge the client extra. It is virtually impossible to prevent text reflow during the production process and MS software is lousy at handling CMYK colour. > But, as I've said before, I am reaching frustration level because my ANT > Suite will not access some of the sites I need to visit. So do I buy > Oregano? Will that be a pig in a poke? What about the quality of Printer > Drivers? I need to buy a faster modem. Given the small size of our > 'community' one is always making do and mending. Internet related software is one of the biggest pains for me too and, to be honest, I don't see the situation improving greatly. I use Opera on the PC as well and this is far superior program to either Netscape of MSIE but some sites are so badly written they won't recognise it. > > So, do I keep buying a little bit of this and a little bit of that or do I > go the whole hog and move platforms? Three years ago, I would not even be > thinking like this but we RISC OS chaps and chapesses seem to be fading into > the distance. The key to understanding the future is to realise that it is not either/or. An increasing number of people have more than one computer, network the two and use each for what it is best at. Basic PC hardware is now so cheap that it is cheaper than some of the software it runs. A fully functional Quark Express, for example, could cost more the computer it runs on. > My PC has not crashed in the 3 months I have had it and I know that my use > of software is rather catholic and it may be all the strange esoteric > tweaking in which some people engage that crashes the PCs I read about but I > bet there are millions of PC users whose machines work away all day every > day, as my typists's machines have done for more years than I care to > remember. It is also my experience that it possible to set up a PC for straightforward secretarial work and find it rarely crashes. It costs organisations a great deal to have systems managers who can work out how to configure their machines in this way. In some organisations it is a sackable offence for any employee to upload a program on to their PC. But somehow, the range of software I use on the PC causes it to crash regularly. There's no pattern - it will work fine for a few days and then crash spectacularly several times in a morning. PCs have a short lifetime. I don't mean hardware lifetime but software lifetime. After 18 months my machine is almost unusable because of accumulated rubbish, incompatible DLLs, old programs which have not fully uninstalled etc. It seems that the only way of dealing with PCs when they get to this stage is to a reformat and completely reinstall Windows and everything else. However, my own lifetime is too short for that. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 10 15:07:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133322 for opro ; Sun, 10 Sep 100 15:07:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968588234:11:04620:14; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:17:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104360; 10 Sep 2000 12:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10047 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:11:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10044 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:11:14 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Y5vh-000Pka-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:09:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:40:07 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Xara availability References: <14737.000907@mail.nrc.org.uk> <49fb5f08c8martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: <49fb5f08c8martinl@redhotant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49fb5f08c8martinl@redhotant.com>, Martin Longley writes >In article <14737.000907@mail.nrc.org.uk>, > Dave Brooks wrote: >> Hello Everyone, > >> I'm not keen on plugging Windows...but Xara are proposing a new >> version of Xara called XaraX! BTW a Windows version of OPro would be >> most welcome as my Acorn is sadly getting a bit long in the tooth and >> PC Hardware is sooooo cheap! > >And soooooo unreliable! By what authority do you make that assertion? To my knowledge PC hardware is perfectly reliable, and with (say) ECC memory and Raid discs can be made infinitely more reliable than any Acorn box. The PC's higher power requirements tips the balance back to some extent, but not significantly. The reliability of some Windows setups is questionable, due to lack of maintenance/understanding by typical Wintel users, but a well maintained NT system can run for months without needing a reboot. Mine has done. Even better, A Linux system on a PC platform is certainly comparable, and probably beats a RISC OS system in terms of reliability. Don't believe/misquote all the propaganda. >You get what you pay for. > Another grossly oversimplified bit of jingoism. RISC OS systems are more expensive due to economics of scale; *not* because of better build quality. A PC from one of the more respected manufacturers is certainly comparable in quality to that of a RISC OS box. However, if you *choose* to pay more for a RISC OS box (and I guess all of us on this list have made that choice), then you can also choose to have a nice warm feeling that you've got a better system than your Wintel neighbour because you paid more. Or you can be realistic. However, you can *never* legitimately justify that choice on performance /reliability/economics alone. Advocacy over. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 10 15:07:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133323 for opro ; Sun, 10 Sep 100 15:07:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968577744:20:24815:15; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:22:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125250; 10 Sep 2000 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09531 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:21:02 +0100 Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09528 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:21:00 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.99.99]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20000910091930.JJLX4725.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:19:30 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:58:49 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >For what it's worth David, if QuarkXPress import and export were > >implemented then I would use OP in preference > > Story of my life... all the time people say implement feature 'A' > and we'll use it. When I do so, they just change to saying implement feature 'B'. This illustrates one of the insidious factors influencing the prospects of a rosy RISC OS future. Since I now use a PC at work - not allowed to use the RPC (Civil Service and all that - some of you know the story) - I am now becoming familiar with M$ Office and I find Word not to be as bad as people make out. For example, I find that the 'Autotext' facility is better than drag and drop text file icons on the desktop and I embarked yesterday on use of tables which I found vey good compared to drawing up tables in OvPro (and I have copy 1100 and something). So I will be one of those who will have to buy the OvPro upgrade. So will it be worth it? I will examine the enhancements first and no doubt someone will do an article about it for one of the RISC OS mags to which I subscribe. But, as I've said before, I am reaching frustration level because my ANT Suite will not access some of the sites I need to visit. So do I buy Oregano? Will that be a pig in a poke? What about the quality of Printer Drivers? I need to buy a faster modem. Given the small size of our 'community' one is always making do and mending. So, do I keep buying a little bit of this and a little bit of that or do I go the whole hog and move platforms? Three years ago, I would not even be thinking like this but we RISC OS chaps and chapesses seem to be fading into the distance. My PC has not crashed in the 3 months I have had it and I know that my use of software is rather catholic and it may be all the strange esoteric tweaking in which some people engage that crashes the PCs I read about but I bet there are millions of PC users whose machines work away all day every day, as my typists's machines have done for more years than I care to remember. This is all good heretical stuff but there is a certain inevitable logic in it. Can someone please save me from Hades? before it is too late? > I think on RISC OS, there's no chance. Maybe if there's a Win version of OPro > it would be more important. Exactly -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 10 15:07:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133324 for opro ; Sun, 10 Sep 100 15:07:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968589311:11:26143:14; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:35:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125689; 10 Sep 2000 12:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10148 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:34:17 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10144 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:34:15 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13Y6Hs-0008D4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:32:44 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:29:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: XML (fwd) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Sat 09 Sep, David Graddol wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > I think this is the key to understanding the push for XML. It is > great for publishers who want to load their 'intellectual > property' into databases and generate a variety of tailored > outputs or, as you say, for documents that can be read on > different hardware readers. But it means the death of design. > There is an almost fanatical attachment in some quarters to the > idea that page design is a conspiracy of publishers against > readers, that content is all that matters. There's even an > extreme liberal view in the US that also thinks all intellectual > property should be free of charge and that XML is the mode of > delivery. Had the same thoughts while thinking on an answer yesterday, Device independency = design independency. And what is left of the form tends to become cheap and shouting, wonder what that does for getting the content across. It fits a part of US culture and will find a similar crowd/use in the old world but it will not replace page design in the near future. Maybe one day another XML that has columns and scrolls from right to left :-) That doesn't mean page design shouldn't keep up with media developments, PDF is just an example that that is possible. The whole XML thread is of course off topic. Ovation is not the application to do XML work in as DP has written from time to time. But his suggestion that scrolling may replace page design makes me wonder how ambivalent he is about the project. There must be far more to worry about, for example how many of the existing RO Ovation users will upgrade to a W Ovation version. Some will stick to their RO system, others will cross and get another program at the same time, what is left then? Though I would like to see a W Ovation (four PCs here meanwhile but no W DTP program) I don't like to sketch a rosy future for Ovation sec in that environment. I think it has to offer more integration with what exists in the graphic industry than it has now, just becoming a Windows application isn't enough. If it offers something like PDF import/export/editing at a nice price it will get new customers. Meanwhile I wonder what the existing RO developers could achieve in a joined effort of marketing their ports of RO software. I guess it isn't easy to bring them all together but porting more then just the applications themselves, giving it a framework with at least a Draw port (or rather replace that with PDF) will make it easier for the individual appl. But please throw that Sprite format in the bin. I just heard that Corel has its whole CorelDraw 9 package ready for Linux, not just PhotoPaint 9. Some holes are getting filled. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 10 15:07:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133326 for opro ; Sun, 10 Sep 100 15:07:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968593397:10:19659:14; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:43:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019589; 10 Sep 2000 13:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10430 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:41:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10427 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:41:45 +0100 Received: from usered34.uk.uudial.com (brooke.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.213] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13Y7LI-0002oP-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:40:20 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:30:56 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: XML (fwd) To: Ovation Pro Mailing-List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 10 Sep, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > In on Sat 09 Sep, David Graddol wrote: > > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > I think this is the key to understanding the push for XML. It is > > great for publishers who want to load their 'intellectual > > property' into databases and generate a variety of tailored > > outputs or, as you say, for documents that can be read on > > different hardware readers. But it means the death of design. > > There is an almost fanatical attachment in some quarters to the > > idea that page design is a conspiracy of publishers against > > readers, that content is all that matters. There's even an > > extreme liberal view in the US that also thinks all intellectual > > property should be free of charge and that XML is the mode of > > delivery. > > Had the same thoughts while thinking on an answer yesterday, > Device independency = design independency. And what is left > of the form tends to become cheap and shouting, wonder what > that does for getting the content across. It fits a part of > US culture and will find a similar crowd/use in the old world > but it will not replace page design in the near future. Maybe > one day another XML that has columns and scrolls from right > to left :-) That doesn't mean page design shouldn't keep up > with media developments, PDF is just an example that that is > possible. > > The whole XML thread is of course off topic. Ovation is not > the application to do XML work in as DP has written from time > to time. But his suggestion that scrolling may replace page > design makes me wonder how ambivalent he is about the project. > There must be far more to worry about, for example how many > of the existing RO Ovation users will upgrade to a W Ovation > version. Some will stick to their RO system, others will cross > and get another program at the same time, what is left then? > Though I would like to see a W Ovation (four PCs here meanwhile > but no W DTP program) I don't like to sketch a rosy future > for Ovation sec in that environment. I think it has to offer > more integration with what exists in the graphic industry than > it has now, just becoming a Windows application isn't enough. > If it offers something like PDF import/export/editing at a > nice price it will get new customers. Any thinking person, especially one who designs and produces a product which has to cope with changing circumstances, has to be ambivalent with ideas, how else would they envisage users requirements. Bill Gates isn't and we know where that has now landed him. His idea to sell what he wants people to have, not what they want. The trick is to try and make the parts inherently flexible and of being used by any other part internal or eternal. Then everyone can have what they want when they learn how to mix them. The only thing that can't be ambivalent is the set of basic instructions and rules for connections/transfers. HTML ? Internet Explorer and Netscape are prime examples of go as you please with regard to rules, ie make your own as you go along and the 'devil take the hindmost'. brooke@argonet.co.uk RISC OS Foundation Member -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 10 23:00:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133343 for opro ; Sun, 10 Sep 100 23:00:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968619706:20:11040:16; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:01:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129913; 10 Sep 2000 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11340 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:59:11 +0100 Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [195.147.248.109] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11337 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:59:08 +0100 Received: from pc7s11a03.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.171.200] helo=RPC) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 13YEAa-0006nG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:57:44 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:30:40 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49FBFD73CF%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article David Graddol wrote: > John Waddell wrote: > > I am now becoming familiar with M$ Office and I find Word not to be as > > bad as people make out. [...] I embarked yesterday on use of tables > > which I found vey good compared to drawing up tables in OvPro > Yes, we've had long discussions about tables in OvPro before but the > problem is, you are comparing a DTP program with a word processor. Tables > in EW are just as good as in Word. No they'e not! They're far better. At least EW does as it's told, unlike WOrd which has a user-telepathy link built in. I use EW to create tables to import into OPro & used ImpPub tables al the time. Maybe one day... -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Organisms are selected to engage in sex; the ones that find it uninteresting quickly become extinct. Carl Sagan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 10 23:00:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133346 for opro ; Sun, 10 Sep 100 23:00:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968622228:11:26204:16; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:43:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020363; 10 Sep 2000 21:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11471 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:42:54 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11468 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:42:52 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.225] (helo=murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 13YEqu-0005s2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:41:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 9407 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2000 21:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.237) by murphys with SMTP; 10 Sep 2000 21:39:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:16:32 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 10 Sep, David Graddol wrote: > > PCs have a short lifetime. I don't mean hardware lifetime but > software lifetime. After 18 months my machine is almost unusable > because of accumulated rubbish, incompatible DLLs, old programs > which have not fully uninstalled etc. It seems that the only way > of dealing with PCs when they get to this stage is to a reformat > and completely reinstall Windows and everything else. However, my > own lifetime is too short for that. > > David > Our support team at work use special software to make disc images of the standard configuration of each new PC model (whether updated software or hardware) and keep the images on the network. If a PC is unreliable and has already taken 30 minutes to trouble-shoot they will copy any data to the network and re-install the original image usually in less than another 30 minutes. If you rely on a pc for serious work and have the storage space (or writable CD) I'd recemmend this approach to get back to a clean setup very quickly - quicker than re-installing Windows and all the hardware drivers for network and video cards and specific monitor. The storage space required is no more than the used space on the disc, not the full size of the disc. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 10 23:46:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133366 for opro ; Sun, 10 Sep 100 23:45:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968624458:11:23408:15; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:20:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122889; 10 Sep 2000 22:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11619 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:16:17 +0100 Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11616 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:16:15 +0100 Received: from [195.8.76.16] (helo=gavinpc) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13YFNC-0000Cw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:14:51 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c01b75$0ca90160$0200a8c0@gavinpc> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <133064@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49fb556fd8steve.pampling@argonet Subject: Re: Windows version Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:11:16 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Pampling" To: "Ovation Pro List" Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Windows version > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > I thought a program already searches its own directory for DLLs it needs, > > then the Windows(\System) directories? Certainly DLLs can be in either > > location. I guess a clash depends on whether another program has already > > loaded an incompatible version. > > Depends on whether the exe was built to search in the \windows structure, > or locally, or at a location specified by the programs own ini file > Even more than "DDL Hell" the thing I "really - really - really - hate" about Windows Apps is the contorted navigation through "file saving boxes" one has to go through to save a file in one's chosen spot. Is there any chance David of "saving-a-file" by drag and drop in a Windows version of OP, or is the present system an inherent feature of Windows? -- Gavin Dewar gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 10 23:46:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133367 for opro ; Sun, 10 Sep 100 23:46:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968625536:20:10154:22; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:38:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111856; 10 Sep 2000 22:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11761 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:38:03 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11758 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:38:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 28077 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2000 22:36:36 -0000 Received: from usercb26.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.150.193) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2000 22:36:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:34:54 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Xara availability Message-ID: <49FC0E51D5%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <14737.000907@mail.nrc.org.uk> <49fb5f08c8martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Martin Longley writes > > Dave Brooks wrote: > > > I'm not keen on plugging Windows [...] BTW a Windows version of OPro > > > would be most welcome as my Acorn is sadly getting a bit long in the > > > tooth and PC Hardware is sooooo cheap! > >And soooooo unreliable! > By what authority do you make that assertion? To my knowledge PC hardware > is perfectly reliable I must agree. It's the OS that's unstable. > The reliability of some Windows setups is questionable, due to lack of > maintenance/understanding by typical Wintel users [snip] Sorry I don't agree. I rec'd a new IBM Stinkpad, switched it on & decided to read the manual before I went any further. It crashed within 5 mins. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Murphy's Military Laws 2 No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 01:56:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133370 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 01:56:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968626150:11:27832:16; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:49:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002374; 10 Sep 2000 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11844 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:48:28 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11841 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:48:26 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-3-213.btinternet.com [212.140.3.213]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22810 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:46:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000910234259.00a92180@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:47:07 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: Windows version In-Reply-To: <001501c01b75$0ca90160$0200a8c0@gavinpc> References: <133064@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49fb556fd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 23:11 10/09/00 +0100, you wrote: >Even more than "DDL Hell" the thing I "really - really - really - hate" >about >Windows Apps is the contorted navigation through "file saving boxes" one has > to go through to save a file in one's chosen spot. > >Is there any chance David of "saving-a-file" by drag and drop in a Windows > version of OP, or is the present system an inherent feature of Windows? I'd suggest drag and drop would be a nightmare on Windows, due to the active window always being on top and making it hard to find the filer window at all without a fair knowledge of how the OS works. Best option might be for a default directory to be set and have documents saved there unless otherwise stated or loaded from elsewhere. You could then drag and drop from one directory to another in the filer when the document was finished. Then again, I quite like the Windows Save Box navigation method now I've got used to it. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 01:57:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133372 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 01:57:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968626179:10:03734:14; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:49:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128820; 10 Sep 2000 22:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11865 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:49:21 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11861 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:49:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13YFt9-000K7S-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:47:51 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:21:07 GMT Message-Id: <133363@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >But his suggestion that scrolling may replace page >design makes me wonder how ambivalent he is about the project. Well when setting off a new business, there's the chance to sit back and think which is the right direction to go in? Whats going to be the big market in the future? Predicting the future is a mugs game, but software takes time to write (even if you're MS) so you have to do it. >There must be far more to worry about, for example how many >of the existing RO Ovation users will upgrade to a W Ovation >version. I'm not really doing it for that. If every RISC OS user bought a Win version it wouldn't make the project worthwhile - given that I'd be unlikely to charge much for such an upgrade. The only motivation is that I have the sources for a DTP program, I could easily make it run on Windows, and by doing so I ensure that all those years of work are not just put in the bin. I would not sit down and write OPro for Windows today from scratch. I wouldn't even have started writing OPro for RISC OS in 1995. As to the number of users for Win, I don't know, but surely there would be some. Not many, but a tiny fraction of the Win user base would be a lot bigger than the numeber of RISC OS users. There is a steady stream of Win users who attempt to buy things off my web site. >If it offers something like PDF import/export/editing at a >nice price it will get new customers. Yes to be a success it would have to have a niche. Do something that the others can't do easily. That is one positive thing I've got the sources for a DTP program and if anyone has some specific need I can customise it for them. Finding the niche though might be a problem. >Meanwhile I wonder what the existing RO developers could >achieve in a joined effort of marketing their ports of >RO software. I should think its all over now. Either developers have gone to other platforms. Or they're not going. Way back in 1995 (?) Acorn arranged a programme to help people port stuff to the Mac. We should have taken the hint. And it didn't amount to much. I think John Wallace said that all he got was a T shirt. >I just heard that Corel has its whole CorelDraw 9 package ready >for Linux, not just PhotoPaint 9. Some holes are getting filled. Did I read they did this using 'Wine' a sort of Windows emulation library for Linux. (i.e. not much effort and not lean). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 01:57:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133374 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 01:57:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968627887:10:21631:15; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:18:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021562; 10 Sep 2000 23:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12097 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:17:37 +0100 Received: from laguna.tiscalinet.it (laguna.tiscalinet.it [195.130.224.86]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12094 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:17:35 +0100 Received: from azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it (62.10.35.188) by laguna.tiscalinet.it; 11 Sep 2000 01:15:13 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:20:11 +0100 From: Paolo Rossi To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Sprite printer Message-ID: <24f517fc49.prossi@azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, is SPrinter compatible with Printers 1.64? I tried to print a page from OvPro but I got errors and Ovation crashed. Cheers -- Paolo Rossi -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 03:07:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133382 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 03:07:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968634764:20:07120:16; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:12:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115833; 11 Sep 2000 1:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12612 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:58:32 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12609 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:58:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13YHuB-0002GZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:57:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:54:17 GMT Message-Id: <133368@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows version X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any chance David of "saving-a-file" by drag and drop in a Windows >version of OP, or is the present system an inherent feature of Windows? I believe that can be done. When I played at writing some Win apps a while back it occured to me it could be done, and it might be amusing to allow it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 03:07:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133383 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 03:07:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968635889:20:06936:19; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:31:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006564; 11 Sep 2000 1:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12683 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:16:47 +0100 Received: from teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com (teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com [139.134.5.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA12680 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:16:44 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ca669684 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 11 Sep, Paolo Rossi wrote: > David, > > is SPrinter compatible with Printers 1.64? I tried to print a page from > OvPro but I got errors and Ovation crashed. > > Cheers Why not use a postscript file with Riscscript and turn an OP page into a Drawfile -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:45:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133385 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:45:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968651029:20:27244:16; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:43:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027162; 11 Sep 2000 5:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14416 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:42:41 +0100 Received: from teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com [139.134.5.159]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA14413 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:42:37 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ha662825 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 11 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > >is SPrinter compatible with Printers 1.64? > > Yes, I use it all the time. > > What sort of errors did you get? > > Non in the drawfile except when I ZOOM down the text disappears but it still prints But it wont transfer to a PC as an EPS only the graphics are ther No text Also The file open problem I just delete Riscscript and reload -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:45:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133384 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:45:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968638973:10:12127:14; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:22:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012071; 11 Sep 2000 2:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12925 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:09:16 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12922 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:09:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13YJ0e-00074U-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:07:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:21:56 GMT Message-Id: <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'd suggest drag and drop would be a nightmare on Windows, due to the >active window always being on top That behaviour makes doing most things a nightmare (e.g. copying files around), unless you have a massive monitor. Possibly someone could write a patch to stop this effect and implement reverse scrolling with the adjust button on scroll bars. (a feature of Xara). (UItweek?) Do real Win users worry about such things? Incidentally writing a RISC OS style disc navigator (to replace Windows explorer) would be easy enough, but feels a bit treacherous to me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:46:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133387 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:46:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968638975:10:12241:14; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:22:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012211; 11 Sep 2000 2:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12920 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:09:13 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12917 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:09:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13YJ0c-00074U-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:07:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:20:15 GMT Message-Id: <133378@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sprite printer X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >is SPrinter compatible with Printers 1.64? Yes, I use it all the time. What sort of errors did you get? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:46:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133389 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:46:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968656587:20:10007:20; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:16:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108532; 11 Sep 2000 7:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14669 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:13:41 +0100 Received: from laguna.tiscalinet.it (laguna.tiscalinet.it [195.130.224.86]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14666 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:13:39 +0100 Received: from azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it (62.10.36.113) by laguna.tiscalinet.it; 11 Sep 2000 09:11:38 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:03:30 +0100 From: Paolo Rossi To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sprite printer Message-ID: <166042fc49.prossi@azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Urban Promotions wrote: > On Mon 11 Sep, Paolo Rossi wrote: > > David, > > > > is SPrinter compatible with Printers 1.64? I tried to print a page from > > OvPro but I got errors and Ovation crashed. > > > > Cheers > > Why not use a postscript file with Riscscript and turn > an OP page into a Drawfile > > Well, 1) because Riscript isn't able to crop pictures, so for many OP jobs isn't suitable, and 2) 'cause sometimes I need to produce a 300dpi TIFF from a page, and SPrinter is the fastest way to do this. Anyway, how can I generate an EPS file from OP? May I print a PS file then tackle it? -- Paolo Rossi -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:46:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133393 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:46:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968659645:11:10679:14; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:07:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110627; 11 Sep 2000 8:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14856 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:06:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14853 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:06:12 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13YOa8-0003d2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:04:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:00:06 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Sprite printer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <24f517fc49.prossi@azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 11 Sep, Paolo Rossi wrote: > David, > > is SPrinter compatible with Printers 1.64? I tried to print a page from > OvPro but I got errors and Ovation crashed. Going back to 1.53 has advantages on the output choices. But it works here in 1.62. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:46:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133394 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:46:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968661373:20:19537:15; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:36:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127167; 11 Sep 2000 8:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15137 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:35:29 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.vianw.co.uk (mserv1c.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15134 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:35:27 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.27] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 13YP2F-0006tp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:33:52 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:05:35 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:06:14 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <41a042fc49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sun 10 Sep, David Graddol wrote: > > > > PCs have a short lifetime. I don't mean hardware lifetime but > > software lifetime. After 18 months my machine is almost unusable > > because of accumulated rubbish, incompatible DLLs, old programs > > which have not fully uninstalled etc. It seems that the only way > > of dealing with PCs when they get to this stage is to a reformat > > and completely reinstall Windows and everything else. However, my > > own lifetime is too short for that. > > > > David > > > > Our support team at work use special software to make disc images of the > standard configuration of each new PC model (whether updated software or > hardware) and keep the images on the network. If a PC is unreliable and has > already taken 30 minutes to trouble-shoot they will copy any data to the > network and re-install the original image usually in less than another 30 > minutes. > > If you rely on a pc for serious work and have the storage space (or > writable CD) I'd recemmend this approach to get back to a clean setup very > quickly - quicker than re-installing Windows and all the hardware drivers > for network and video cards and specific monitor. The storage space > required is no more than the used space on the disc, not the full size of > the disc. I think this illustrates my point. This approach may be fine if you maintain each machine to a narrow standard range of software and you have the staff to do the running around, including making image files. The point is that we have to add stuff to our machines all the time, new plug-ins for example for Acrobat or browsers, updates for ecommerce software - every week there are changes. And these things scatter their bits and pieces liberally around the disk. I see that the windows directory on my laptop alone contains over 6,000 files and would only just fit on one CD - and that excludes application software, fonts, and even some critical OS stuff. Even if we kept updating image files the latest backup would inevitably contain lots of problems itself. I imagine that reimporting an image of the basic software which is unaware of all the add-ins would cause the machine to go bananas. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:46:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133396 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:46:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968661625:20:25035:14; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:40:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024986; 11 Sep 2000 8:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15198 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:39:22 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15195 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:39:21 +0100 Received: from modem-114.anghabar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.111.242] helo=modem-114) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13YP6C-000847-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:37:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:37:30 +0100 Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Message-ID: <49fc457d44rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <133363@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <133363@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > As to the number of users for Win, I don't know, but surely there would > be some. Not many, but a tiny fraction of the Win user base would be a > lot bigger than the numeber of RISC OS users. > There is a steady stream of Win users who attempt to buy things off my > web site. I would suggest that selling it as shareware with a 30 day expiry and purchase of a code to keep it running would be the cheapest way of marketing Ovation Pro for Windows. Register it with Tucows with a link to your site and off you go. As long as it is reasonably priced and has advantages over Serif's PagePlus etc, you should be able to sell a lot of copies. I have to admit that Ovation Pro and Pluto are the only two apps that keep me using RISC OS as I haven't found decent replacements for them on the PC. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:46:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133395 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:46:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968659654:10:23087:19; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:07:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110686; 11 Sep 2000 8:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14851 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:06:12 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14848 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:06:10 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13YOa5-0003d2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:04:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:55:05 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: XML (fwd) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <133363@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Mon 11 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Well when setting off a new business, there's the chance to sit > back and think which is the right direction to go in? Whats > going to be the big market in the future? > Predicting the future is a mugs game, but software takes time > to write (even if you're MS) so you have to do it. Sure, it belongs to the game and is essential. > There is a steady stream of Win users who attempt to buy things off my web > site. I think that SparkFS in a Windows dressing will make a lot of people very happy. That will not be the only DP app useful on a PC. > >I just heard that Corel has its whole CorelDraw 9 package ready > >for Linux, not just PhotoPaint 9. Some holes are getting filled. > > Did I read they did this using 'Wine' a sort of Windows emulation > library for Linux. (i.e. not much effort and not lean). That is correct, one would have wished they would go all the way. But it supports ICC colour profiles and that is something not yet ready in Linux. Meanwhile Linux Gimp printer drivers are getting near the quality of the Windows/Mac drivers so another obstacle that prevented me to use Linux is taken away. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:47:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133398 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:46:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968660627:10:19950:22; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:23:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020072; 11 Sep 2000 8:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15021 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:22:09 +0100 Received: from enterprise.iconz.co.nz (enterprise.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15018 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:22:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 10544 invoked by alias); 11 Sep 2000 08:20:33 -0000 Received: from p397.ipa1-n8-16.iconz.net.nz (HELO ric73953) (210.48.25.141) by enterprise.iconz.co.nz with SMTP; 11 Sep 2000 08:20:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:15:16 +1200 From: Glenn Todd To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000910234259.00a92180@pop.freeuk.net> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4.3.0.20000910234259.00a92180@pop.freeuk.net> you wrote: > At 23:11 10/09/00 +0100, you wrote: > >Even more than "DDL Hell" the thing I "really - really - really - hate" > >about > >Windows Apps is the contorted navigation through "file saving boxes" one has > > to go through to save a file in one's chosen spot. > > > >Is there any chance David of "saving-a-file" by drag and drop in a Windows > > version of OP, or is the present system an inherent feature of Windows? > > I'd suggest drag and drop would be a nightmare on Windows, due to the > active window always being on top and making it hard to find the filer > window at all without a fair knowledge of how the OS works. Best option > might be for a default directory to be set and have documents saved there > unless otherwise stated or loaded from elsewhere. You could then drag and > drop from one directory to another in the filer when the document was finished. > > Then again, I quite like the Windows Save Box navigation method now I've > got used to it. > > Dave Out of interest Thomas Leonard has created an RiscOS like filer for Unix/Linux X11 called ROX-Filer that supports drag & drop. It is also the core component of the ROX Desktop. " I have run this on my RPC NetBSD set up and it is rather slick. Glenn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:47:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133399 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:47:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968662101:20:04029:22; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:48:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129517; 11 Sep 2000 8:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15499 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:47:00 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15496 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:46:58 +0100 From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14563 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:45:30 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id KAA20760 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:45:54 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256957.00309902.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:43:17 +0100 Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>I'd suggest drag and drop would be a nightmare on Windows, due to the >>active window always being on top >That behaviour makes doing most things a nightmare (e.g. copying files >around), unless you have a massive monitor. >Possibly someone could write a patch to stop this effect and implement >reverse scrolling with the adjust button on scroll bars. (a feature of >Xara). (UItweek?) There is one (sort of) called tweakUI for win98/NT/2k and X-mouse for win95. You have to have focus follows mouse turned on and then there is an option to stop the window jumping to the front. This makes things a lot better, but as is usual, not all apps behave properly. I haven't seen anything to provide the reverse scroll though :-( (But a wheel mouse goes a long way to helping) Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:47:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133410 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:47:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968672480:20:11378:14; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:41:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119597; 11 Sep 2000 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16173 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:39:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16170 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:39:47 +0100 Received: from userev45.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.228) [62.188.17.228] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13YRun-00015M-00; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:38:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Ovation Pro List Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:04:03 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49fc47eb7csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > Our support team at work use special software to make disc images of the > standard configuration of each new PC model Odds on Norton Ghost - typically 1.6 GB (of actual data - not the disc size) can be fitted onto a 650MB CD) actual example Walsgrave Hospitals NHS Trust Medical Illustration "Workstation 1" and "2" Mind you creating the image across the inter-site link took a fair while - restore takes about 8-10 minutes. I'll shut up now this is well off topic. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 13:48:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133411 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 13:47:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968672541:20:11202:95; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:42:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012203; 11 Sep 2000 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16178 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:39:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16175 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:39:52 +0100 Received: from userev45.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.228) [62.188.17.228] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13YRur-00015M-00; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:38:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:40:50 +0100 Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Message-ID: <49fc4b498dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Incidentally writing a RISC OS style disc navigator (to replace Windows > explorer) would be easy enough, but feels a bit treacherous to me. Treacherous? You mean because it makes the look and feel of Windows better? There's too many other dislikable things in Windows for this to cause a stampede to Wintel, beside which a user friendly filer for a few quid would probably sell well and put the odd penny in your pocket. If it's "easy enough" knock up a quick test version - I can bung it at the other IT support guys at work and have it hammered. (We'll take a discount on the finished version ;-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 11 18:18:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133427 for opro ; Mon, 11 Sep 100 18:18:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968685476:20:03268:59; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:17:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106572; 11 Sep 2000 15:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16765 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:00:24 +0100 Received: from zx81.mersinet.co.uk (zx81.mersinet.co.uk [195.219.30.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16373 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:00:33 +0100 Received: from dul-077.linix.co.uk ([195.219.7.77] helo=mail.nrc.org.uk ident=root) by zx81.mersinet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 13YSDx-0004lo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:58:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 25357 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 10:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SERVER1) (192.168.0.1) by 192.168.0.2 with SMTP; 11 Sep 2000 10:23:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:23:44 +0100 From: Dave Brooks X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.36) S/N 3EA42095 Organization: NRC X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <17474.000911@mail.nrc.org.uk> To: Mik Towse Subject: Re[2]: Xara availability In-reply-To: <49FC0E51D5%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <49FC0E51D5%mik.towse@xemik.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello Mik, Sunday, 10 September 2000, you wrote: MT> In article Tony van der Hoff wrote: >> Martin Longley writes >> > Dave Brooks wrote: >> > > I'm not keen on plugging Windows [...] BTW a Windows version of OPro >> > > would be most welcome as my Acorn is sadly getting a bit long in the >> > > tooth and PC Hardware is sooooo cheap! >> >And soooooo unreliable! >> By what authority do you make that assertion? To my knowledge PC hardware >> is perfectly reliable MT> I must agree. It's the OS that's unstable. >> The reliability of some Windows setups is questionable, due to lack of >> maintenance/understanding by typical Wintel users MT> [snip] MT> Sorry I don't agree. I rec'd a new IBM Stinkpad, switched it on & decided MT> to read the manual before I went any further. It crashed within 5 mins. This could become a very long debate. To state the obvious, NO hardware or software is completely reliable. I have had all kinds of computers break down on me, including my Windows NT PC (Software and hardware failure) and my Acorn Risc PC (hardware & software failures). The issue is that (and I can say from experience) restoring and recovering from the PC failure was easier, faster and cheaper than recovering from the Risc PC failure - all thanks to an easy to use backup medium. I actually managed to lose about 9 months work on the Arc just because backing up the data was so difficult! I really prefer using the Arc because of the 'more' reliable O/S and the better software (and the fact that it is the BEST hardware and O/S I have come across to date) but at the end of the day - I still have ALL of the work I did on the PC! It seems to me that hardware development on the Risc PC has all but ceased and in an industry that relies on constant development of new technology that can't be good! Just look at the number of Acorn dealers, software developers etc. who have closed! I will continue to use the Risc PC as much as I can, but it really saddens me that it will not be very much! I (regrettably) look forward to a Windows version of OPro so that I can use it with my unreliable, easily restorable O/S! Thanks, Dave dave.brooks@mail.nrc.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:31:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133445 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:31:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968695819:20:15215:23; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:10:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015333; 11 Sep 2000 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17258 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:05:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17255 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:05:34 +0100 Received: from usereo30.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.28) [62.188.15.28] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13YXw8-00060g-00; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:04:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:23:21 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49fc5a2a3bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <41a042fc49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <41a042fc49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <41a042fc49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol wrote: > I imagine that reimporting an image of the basic software > which is unaware of all the add-ins would cause the machine to go > bananas. It's not an "import" it's a erase and remake. Anything, and I mean anything, in that partition is overwritten. The end result is *exactly* the same as when it was recorded as an image, no more, no less. Of course on our set ups at work, the users install nothing - it's NT and they don't have the access rights. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:31:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133447 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:31:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968696382:10:11940:15; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:19:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011980; 11 Sep 2000 18:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17253 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:05:31 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17250 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:05:29 +0100 Received: from usereo30.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.28) [62.188.15.28] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13YXw4-00060g-00; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:04:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:18:30 +0100 Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Message-ID: <49fc59b8ecsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49fc457d44rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <133363@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49fc457d44rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49fc457d44rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > I would suggest that selling it as shareware with a 30 day expiry and > purchase of a code to keep it running would be the cheapest way of > marketing Ovation Pro for Windows. Arggh, no!! Expiry date installs are incredibly easy to fool - there's even a Date crack that launches applications and feeds them the same date ad infinitum readily downloadable from many of the crack sites.[1] If need be do something similar to the demo version for RISC OS. [1] I work in IT support, we constantly look for illegal bits users can use to do "things they didn't oughter" Similarly we look for useable cracks for MSOffice passworded datafiles for the occasions when users forget what they passworded the file with... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:31:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133446 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:31:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968695867:20:16065:39; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:11:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103952; 11 Sep 2000 18:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17210 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:57:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17207 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:57:05 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13YXnw-0005vp-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:55:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Mik Towse Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:46:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Xara availability Message-ID: <49fc724909john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <17474.000911@mail.nrc.org.uk> References: <49FC0E51D5%mik.towse@xemik.com> <17474.000911@mail.nrc.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <17474.000911@mail.nrc.org.uk>, Dave Brooks wrote: > I really prefer using the Arc because of the 'more' reliable O/S and > the better software (and the fact that it is the BEST hardware and O/S > I have come across to date) but at the end of the day - I still have > ALL of the work I did on the PC! The Acorn does suffer from its reliability - PCs are so in danger of needing to be backed up that their back-up facilities are better. No matter how good back up software/hardware if, in practice faults don't occur, then people won't back up. I don't back up as often as I should even though I have a PD drive and plenty of discs. The only loss of note that I've had was because of ill-designed hardware - a length of wire and connectors was linked the wrong way and fried a hard drive. There is an answer of course; if the Acorn / RISC OS machines were less reliable then more back-up facilities would be provided. ;-) (there are always 2 ways of seeing the same situation... -- John Cartmell, Fleur Designs - Manchester UK ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ ~ see our unique modular board games at the: Cresta Court Hotel, Altrincham on Sunday 22 October 2000 (10am-4pm) ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:31:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133448 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:31:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968704260:10:18797:22; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:31:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018394; 11 Sep 2000 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17990 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:30:33 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17987 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:30:31 +0100 Received: from modem-94.acyclovir.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.75.222] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13YaCP-0006IY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:29:05 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:49:46 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message <4.3.0.20000910234259.00a92180@pop.freeuk.net> you wrote: > > > At 23:11 10/09/00 +0100, you wrote: > > >Even more than "DDL Hell" the thing I "really - really - really - hate" > > >about > > >Windows Apps is the contorted navigation through "file saving boxes" one has > > > to go through to save a file in one's chosen spot. > > > > > >Is there any chance David of "saving-a-file" by drag and drop in a Windows > > > version of OP, or is the present system an inherent feature of Windows? > > > > I'd suggest drag and drop would be a nightmare on Windows, due to the > > active window always being on top and making it hard to find the filer > > window at all without a fair knowledge of how the OS works. Best option > > might be for a default directory to be set and have documents saved there > > unless otherwise stated or loaded from elsewhere. You could then drag and > > drop from one directory to another in the filer when the document was finished. > > > > Then again, I quite like the Windows Save Box navigation method now I've > > got used to it. > > > > Dave > > > Out of interest Thomas Leonard has created an RiscOS like filer for > Unix/Linux X11 called ROX-Filer that supports drag & drop. > > It is also the core component of the ROX Desktop. > " > > I have run this on my RPC NetBSD set up and it is rather slick. > > Glenn I also quite like the *concept* of the Windows save - it's the *implementation* I don't like. Netscape, and a number of other non-Microsoft apps work fine - each time you save, the default directory is the one you used last. Microsoft Office *always* produces the same default directory - and it isn't the one I want. So every save I have to work back up the file tree then down another branch. It's particularly likely to make me scream if I open a document, change it, then use Save As to change the name. The default directory changes. It's a wonder the machine hasn't gone out of the window... As I say, Netscape gets it right. Why can't Mickysoft? -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:32:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133455 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:31:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968712220:10:05660:22; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:43:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122825; 11 Sep 2000 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18517 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:41:39 +0100 Received: from teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com (teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com [139.134.5.197]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA18514 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:41:36 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id la321111 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 11 Sep, Paolo Rossi wrote: > In message > Urban Promotions wrote: > > > On Mon 11 Sep, Paolo Rossi wrote: > > > David, > > > > > > is SPrinter compatible with Printers 1.64? I tried to print a page from > > > OvPro but I got errors and Ovation crashed. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Why not use a postscript file with Riscscript and turn > > an OP page into a Drawfile > > > > > Well, 1) because Riscript isn't able to crop pictures, so for many OP > jobs isn't suitable, and 2) 'cause sometimes I need to produce a 300dpi > TIFF from a page, and SPrinter is the fastest way to do this. > Anyway, how can I generate an EPS file from OP? May I print a PS file > then tackle it? Turn OP to a Postscript file Use Riscript for the drawfile and !Draw->EPS to create an EPS. Anyone is there another way to turn OP to EPS -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:32:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133458 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:32:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968704122:20:14898:15; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:28:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014821; 11 Sep 2000 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17825 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:01:10 +0100 Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17822 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:01:08 +0100 Received: from [212.126.131.19] (helo=gavinpc) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13YZk0-0000Q2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: <006701c01c2b$59bcf0e0$0200a8c0@gavinpc> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:03:26 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 3:21 AM Subject: Re: XML (fwd) > > > Incidentally writing a RISC OS style disc navigator (to replace Windows > explorer) would be easy enough, but feels a bit treacherous to me. > Just do it ! I am sure you would makje a bob or two! You never know it might become the "in-thing" if some PC journalist took a fanct to it! -- Gavin Dewar gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:32:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133459 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:32:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968704635:20:27884:14; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:37:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102827; 11 Sep 2000 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17871 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:09:46 +0100 Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17868 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:09:44 +0100 Received: from [212.126.131.19] (helo=gavinpc) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13YZsJ-0000iv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:08:20 +0100 Message-ID: <009e01c01c2c$8d155c60$0200a8c0@gavinpc> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <49FC0E51D5%mik.towse@xemik.com> <17474.000911@mail.nrc.org.uk> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Xara availability Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:12:02 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Brooks" To: "Mik Towse" Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:23 AM Subject: Re[2]: Xara availability >... snip... > The issue is that (and I can say from experience) restoring and recovering > from the PC failure was easier, faster and cheaper than recovering > from the Risc PC failure - all thanks to an easy to use backup medium. > I actually managed to lose about 9 months work on the Arc just because > backing up the data was so difficult! > ...snip.. What's the problem? I have been using thre methods for years: a) Theo Markettos,s "HardBack" b) Just copy work files to a "backup" folder on second HD c) Copy the lot now and again to a Wintel PC over a LAN. Cheers all Gavin -- Gavin Dewar gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:32:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133460 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:32:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968704678:20:28273:73; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:37:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103682; 11 Sep 2000 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17917 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:23:45 +0100 Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17914 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:23:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 25633 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 20:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.218) by murphys with SMTP; 11 Sep 2000 20:21:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:55:59 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: XML (fwd) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 11 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > Incidentally writing a RISC OS style disc navigator (to replace Windows > explorer) would be easy enough, but feels a bit treacherous to me. Why bother when you have nearly the same facility if you start at the My Computer icon? The addition of Adjust clicking to change the configured option to open another window or use the same one would be nice, but it doesn't bother me that much. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:32:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133465 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:32:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968712242:20:08658:16; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:44:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127888; 11 Sep 2000 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18522 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:42:29 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18519 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:42:27 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EA38A77CE for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:36:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from martinl.redhotant.com ([212.41.58.74]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:39:32 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:37:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: <49fc926bd4martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: [Snip] > I also quite like the *concept* of the Windows save - it's the > *implementation* I don't like. Netscape, and a number of other non-Microsoft > apps work fine - each time you save, the default directory is the one you > used last. > Microsoft Office *always* produces the same default directory - and it isn't > the one I want. So every save I have to work back up the file tree then down > another branch. It's particularly likely to make me scream if I open a > document, change it, then use Save As to change the name. The default > directory changes. It's a wonder the machine hasn't gone out of the > window... > As I say, Netscape gets it right. Why can't Mickysoft? Totally off topic for a RISC OS group (but the why change the habits of a lifetime?). I think that Office 2000 has an option somewhere in the menu maze to set a default folder. On older versions try looking at the properties of the shortcut you use to launch the program. If you put the path for your default folder in the 'Start in' box then that should work. Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:32:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133466 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:32:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968713948:20:20757:16; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:12:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125838; 11 Sep 2000 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18738 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:11:18 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18735 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:11:16 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1264BA7760 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:05:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from martinl.redhotant.com ([212.41.32.71]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:08:20 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:10:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Xara availability Message-ID: <49fc955e4cmartinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: References: <14737.000907@mail.nrc.org.uk> <49fb5f08c8martinl@redhotant.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: [Snip] > > > >And soooooo unreliable! > By what authority do you make that assertion? To my knowledge PC > hardware is perfectly reliable, and with (say) ECC memory and Raid discs > can be made infinitely more reliable than any Acorn box. Experience. I work supporting schools. It is fairly common for PC hardware to fail in some way before the equipment is 2 years old. Hard discs, floppy discs, power supplies, network cards - they all seem to fail at an alarming rate. Meanwhile the 11 year old A3000s keep chugging away. I advise schools buying PC hardware to only buy equipment with a 3 year warranty (preferably on-site). At least then they can keep their repair budgets under control. [Snip] > The reliability of some Windows setups is questionable, due to lack of > maintenance/understanding by typical Wintel users, but a well maintained > NT system can run for months without needing a reboot. Mine has done. Now you're talking about software. NT is certainly more reliable than Win98. However IE 5 takes my machine down at least once a week. > Even better, A Linux system on a PC platform is certainly comparable, > and probably beats a RISC OS system in terms of reliability. Agreed > Don't believe/misquote all the propaganda. I don't. I only rely on experience. > >You get what you pay for. > > > Another grossly oversimplified bit of jingoism. RISC OS systems are > more expensive due to economics of scale; *not* because of better build > quality. A PC from one of the more respected manufacturers is certainly > comparable in quality to that of a RISC OS box. Certainly some PCs are much better than others. Having worked in schools for over 10 years though I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of Acorn/RISC OS machines that have failed 'out of the box'. Even buying from one of the better PC companies, about 1 in 30 gets reported as DOA. > However, if you *choose* to pay more for a RISC OS box (and I guess all > of us on this list have made that choice), then you can also choose to > have a nice warm feeling that you've got a better system than your > Wintel neighbour because you paid more. Or you can be realistic. It may be something to do with RISC OS systems putting 'less strain' on the components. There was a batch of A7000s that seemed to have dodgy hard drives (failed after about 18 months) but it was a fairly small batch I think. > However, you can *never* legitimately justify that choice on performance > /reliability/economics alone. Agreed > Advocacy over. If you insist Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 01:33:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133467 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 01:32:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968715895:20:04965:15; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:44:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122088; 11 Sep 2000 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18899 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:44:24 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18896 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:44:18 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (ppp-46.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.112]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e8BNeni11947 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:40:50 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:41:23 +1200 Subject: Re: Sprite printer Message-ID: <49fc8d4141tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <166042fc49.prossi@azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it> References: <166042fc49.prossi@azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <166042fc49.prossi@azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it>, Paolo Rossi wrote: > Anyway, how can I generate an EPS file from OP? May I print a PS file > then tackle it? Ghostscript now has the ps2eps function enabled. I've only needed to use it twice so far, and it worked fine. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 02:07:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133480 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 02:07:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968718851:20:07273:34; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:34:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007580; 12 Sep 2000 0:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19090 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:33:58 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17060 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:31:21 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 98F5CA77C4 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:25:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from redhotant.com ([212.41.33.140]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:28:25 -0100 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:29:16 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) Message-ID: <50ae70fc49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ernst Dinkla was let out long enough to write: [snip] > > > There is a steady stream of Win users who attempt to buy things off my web > > site. > > I think that SparkFS in a Windows dressing will make a lot of people > very happy. That will not be the only DP app useful on a PC. > Hmm, But windows has such a horrible filer that the spirit of SFS would be lost. [snip] Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>You always find something in the last place you look, unless it's not there. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 02:07:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133479 for opro ; Tue, 12 Sep 100 02:07:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968718866:10:00107:14; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:34:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101442; 12 Sep 2000 0:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19104 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:34:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19101 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:34:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13Ye0E-00013D-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:32:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:20:23 GMT Message-Id: <133440@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: XML (fwd) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think that SparkFS in a Windows dressing will make a lot of people >very happy. That will not be the only DP app useful on a PC. Um well. There are dozens of things for Win that look like Spark. It seems that WinZip which is one of them is the favourite. Its 11 years since I wrote Spark, 8 since SparkFS came out. ZipMagic which is akin to SparkFS is patented, so they'd probably sue me if I ported SparkFS. As far as I know, writing pure filing systems like SparkFS is not possible for Windows. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:46:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133483 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:46:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968737886:20:03670:16; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:51:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115937; 12 Sep 2000 5:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19833 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:47:24 +0100 Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA19830 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:47:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 19898 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2000 05:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.183) by murphys with SMTP; 12 Sep 2000 05:45:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:01:02 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Windows version To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 11 Sep, Alan Adams wrote: > > I also quite like the *concept* of the Windows save - it's the > *implementation* I don't like. Netscape, and a number of other non-Microsoft > apps work fine - each time you save, the default directory is the one you > used last. > > Microsoft Office *always* produces the same default directory - and it isn't > the one I want. So every save I have to work back up the file tree then down > another branch. It's particularly likely to make me scream if I open a > document, change it, then use Save As to change the name. The default > directory changes. It's a wonder the machine hasn't gone out of the > window... > > As I say, Netscape gets it right. Why can't Mickysoft? > Have you modified the default directory to one *you* want not the one MS coded in as standard? Tools - Options and one of the tabs of that dialogue box has the default save and open directory path on it (varies with each of the Office apps!) Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:46:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133484 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:46:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968740053:10:29288:18; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:27:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029192; 12 Sep 2000 6:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20069 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:26:47 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20066 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:26:45 +0100 Received: from du-002-0195.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.195] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13YjVQ-0005O9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:25:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:14:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: <49fcbc3e70badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <49fc926bd4martinl@redhotant.com> References: <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <49fc926bd4martinl@redhotant. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 Sep, Martin Longley wrote: > On older versions try looking at the properties of the shortcut you use > to launch the program. If you put the path for your default folder in > the 'Start in' box then that should work. Also, in Word 97 (and maybe earlier), go to Tools>Options>File Locations, select Documents click on Modify... In Excel 97 (ditto), go to Tools>Options>General and change the 'Default file location'. I only know this because I have to teach it... ;-) -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:47:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133485 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:46:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968738170:20:12565:15; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:56:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012502; 12 Sep 2000 5:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19890 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:54:01 +0100 Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA19887 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:54:00 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem865.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.97]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA29104 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:52:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:53:44 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Xara availability To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49fc955e4cmartinl@redhotant.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id FAA19888 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id FAB19890 On Tue 12 Sep, Martin Longley wrote: > In article , > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > supplies, network cards - they all seem to fail at an alarming rate. Me= anwhile > the 11 year old A3000s keep chugging away. There is a severe bug in Windows. It stops the machine after a few days o= f continuois running. Most users never notice this bug because they never g= et the chance to have their PC running continously before the bug appears... That reminds me of the outcome of a report of Maastricht University: smok= ing prevents Alzheimer. I think you don=90t grow old enough to notice it... My 6 year old RISC PC sometimes runs for a whole week, I=90ve been with i= t to many exhibitions. It=91s a 4-sliced one and there are no pins to hold =90= em together. It has fallen out of my hands a few times and every time I come back from such an event I=91m surprised and thankful it works =9Fawlessly. In a scienti=9Ec research institution overhere, TNO, a RISC PC/PC card us= er told me that he is the only one who managed to keep =90a computer=91 runn= ing for more than one whole day. =90I keep on hearing that stupid MS-melody all d= ay=91, he complained. He actually expected the PCCard side to fall over now and then. It never did. I sell the MS/PCstuff. Thanks to Bill I can =9Enance my RISC OS related turnover.... Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg Homepage: http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:47:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133486 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:47:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968742778:11:19989:17; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:12:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118624; 12 Sep 2000 7:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20284 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:11:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA20281 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:11:16 +0100 Received: from usereu37.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.121) [62.188.17.121] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13YkCU-00070j-00; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:09:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:11:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: <49fc900321steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > Microsoft Office *always* produces the same default directory - and it > isn't the one I want. So every save I have to work back up the file tree > then down another branch. Unless you want to change the default each time the method is to set the default in each application - method varies with different versions of Office (4.3/ 97 /2000) and the application within... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:47:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133489 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:47:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968744387:20:15093:21; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:39:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112959; 12 Sep 2000 7:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20463 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:39:02 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20460 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:38:56 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13YkdF-000LkI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:37:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:27:41 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Sprite printer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 12 Sep, Urban Promotions wrote: > On Mon 11 Sep, Paolo Rossi wrote: > > In message > > Urban Promotions wrote: > > > > > On Mon 11 Sep, Paolo Rossi wrote: > > > > David, > > > > > > > > is SPrinter compatible with Printers 1.64? I tried to print a page from > > > > OvPro but I got errors and Ovation crashed. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Why not use a postscript file with Riscscript and turn > > > an OP page into a Drawfile > > > > > > > > Well, 1) because Riscript isn't able to crop pictures, so for many OP > > jobs isn't suitable, and 2) 'cause sometimes I need to produce a 300dpi > > TIFF from a page, and SPrinter is the fastest way to do this. > > Anyway, how can I generate an EPS file from OP? May I print a PS file > > then tackle it? > > Turn OP to a Postscript file Use Riscript for the drawfile > and !Draw->EPS to create an EPS. > > Anyone is there another way to turn OP to EPS Several, and like with ArtWorks file conversions, at the end you will see that something is missing, is not at the right place and is as difficult to edit as a plain bitmap file. When sprites are included they either disappear, get mangled or make the process so slow you would like them to disappear. If you need a Tiff for printing on a PC system for example, use SPrinter + David Pilling's scanning software and a PC bitmap program to adjust the colours. It never fails. It is the sledgehammer approach but I can't be bothered, here it isn't unusual to print 44" x 66" prints from 300 MB files. Have to find that Archive application that David mentioned. If you want to convert with PS from an RO system make a PS file and get Acrobat Distiller or another PC application that reads PS files. As Tonnie Demarteau told me, the RO PS files have one advantage, fonts can be included, something that isn't so ususal on other systems. It is the route that is second best on reliability. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:47:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133491 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:47:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968745060:20:00273:84; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:51:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112246; 12 Sep 2000 7:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20586 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:50:04 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20572 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:49:59 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (ppp-06.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.72]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e8C7kSi01338 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:46:29 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:48:06 +1200 Subject: Re: Sprite printer Message-ID: <49fcc4cd27tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <166042fc49.prossi@azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Urban Promotions wrote: > Turn OP to a Postscript file Use Riscript for the drawfile Like someone said, you've got clipping problems that way > and !Draw->EPS to create an EPS. What the hey! You're right! It *is* an eps. I always thought it was just a kinky way of running plain ps. > Anyone is there another way to turn OP to EPS Ghostscript. I said before I'd needed to do it twice so far - make that thrice now. So this time I took a bit more notice. Both the ps2eps and ps2epsi scripts seem to be active. I've always used epsi as it makes a bitmap preview. Checking both in Riscript, there are a couple of differences. eps bitmaps text, and not very well either. So that rules it out for a start. It also handles vector objects slightly oddly. A filled circle will be replicated - ie , once with line colour and no fill colour, then the fill itself as a separate object. epsi rendered and translated in the target app fine, although today it did keep returning an error re a syntax problem (presumably) towards the eof. It ignored everything after the error, but everything in the file was there. 1 of those errors to ignore, huh? I ran the eps back through OP and it does everything it should when you rotate/scale etc. The person who receives them also has never had a problem. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:47:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133493 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:47:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968746815:20:08504:15; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:20:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007212; 12 Sep 2000 8:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20762 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:18:26 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20759 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:18:24 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA17919 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:16:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:18:39 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Windows version To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49fcbc3e70badger.set@freeuk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 12 Sep, Richard wrote: > On 11 Sep, Martin Longley wrote: > > On older versions try looking at the properties of the shortcut you use > > to launch the program. If you put the path for your default folder in > > the 'Start in' box then that should work. > > Also, in Word 97 (and maybe earlier), go to Tools>Options>File Locations, > select Documents click on Modify... > This off-topic sub-thread is actually a good illustration of the ease of use of RiscOS and most of its apps. There are dozens of things like this that hold back the productivity and raise the blood pressure of win users because they haven't unearthed some little ruse or obscure menu option. When they (we) are shown it there is a momentary elation but it is really just the next layer of the onion. There is always another problem. I wouldn't say RiscOS was perfect but it does seem to have a simplicity of design that avoids a lot of these annoyances. Regards Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:48:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133497 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:47:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968766097:10:21337:20; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:41:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121185; 12 Sep 2000 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21463 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:37:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21460 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:37:54 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13YqEf-0000l2-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:36:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:35:51 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Windows version References: <49fcbc3e70badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Alf Chamings writes >> >This off-topic sub-thread is actually a good illustration of the ease of use >of RiscOS and most of its apps. There are dozens of things like this that >hold back the productivity and raise the blood pressure of win users because >they haven't unearthed some little ruse or obscure menu option. When they >(we) are shown it there is a momentary elation but it is really just the next >layer of the onion. There is always another problem. I wouldn't say RiscOS >was perfect but it does seem to have a simplicity of design that avoids a lot >of these annoyances. > As self-appointed devil's advocate here, I really have no objection to RISC OS users wandering round with stars in their eyes. However, in the interests of factuality I would comment that that's nothing to do with the OS, and all to do with individual application design. It is perfectly possible to design/write a 'clean' Win program, just as easily as it is in ROS. I do it all the time. Unfortunately not many others do... It must also be said that a complex application with many configurable options will, of necessity, require a complex menu structure, and yes, things will get lost. Bringing the thread back on topic, that is even true of our beloved OPro. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:50:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133509 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:50:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968767929:20:25858:20; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:12:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026103; 12 Sep 2000 14:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21613 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:08:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21610 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:08:19 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Yqi6-0003JM-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:06:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:51:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: <49fce60aadjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49fcbc3e70badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > It is perfectly possible to design/write a 'clean' Win program, just as > easily as it is in ROS. I do it all the time. Unfortunately not many > others do... In which case we are right to be wary of the Win platform. -- John Cartmell, Fleur Designs - Manchester UK ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ ~ see our unique modular board games at the: Cresta Court Hotel, Altrincham on Sunday 22 October 2000 (10am-4pm) ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:50:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133514 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:50:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968777015:20:26812:22; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:43:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110686; 12 Sep 2000 16:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21983 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:38:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21980 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:38:27 +0100 Received: from userau14.uk.uudial.com (62.188.137.216) [62.188.137.216] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13Yt3N-0002iU-00; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:37:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:20:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: <49fcc24025steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49fcbc3e70badger.set@freeuk.com> References: <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <49fc926bd4martinl@redhotant. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49fcbc3e70badger.set@freeuk.com>, Richard wrote: > Also, in Word 97 (and maybe earlier), go to Tools>Options>File Locations, > select Documents click on Modify... > In Excel 97 (ditto), go to Tools>Options>General and change the 'Default > file location'. Let's see you do that for MS Publisher 98 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:50:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133515 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:50:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968796552:10:28723:14; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:09:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027872; 12 Sep 2000 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22849 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:07:56 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22846 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:07:54 +0100 Received: from modem-89.actinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.64.89] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13YyCE-00068j-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:06:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:41:41 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: <691e11fd49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <49fc926bd4martinl@redhotant. <49fcbc3e70badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <49fcbc3e70badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49fcbc3e70badger.set@freeuk.com> you wrote: > On 11 Sep, Martin Longley wrote: > > On older versions try looking at the properties of the shortcut you use > > to launch the program. If you put the path for your default folder in > > the 'Start in' box then that should work. > > Also, in Word 97 (and maybe earlier), go to Tools>Options>File Locations, > select Documents click on Modify... > > In Excel 97 (ditto), go to Tools>Options>General and change the 'Default > file location'. > > I only know this because I have to teach it... > ;-) > Then you find that a system policy is overriding it and setting it back every time you log in. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:50:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133516 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:50:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968779728:20:23775:14; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:28:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102882; 12 Sep 2000 17:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22153 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:24:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA22150 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:24:50 +0100 Received: from usercc21.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.33) [62.188.151.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13YtmH-00044p-00; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:23:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil Hetherington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:31:11 +0100 Subject: OvationPro-- state of play Message-ID: <49fcd3bb93philhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I was in hospital from mid-July and August and have only revitalised my computer this week, just junking the some 2000 maillist and e-mail that cropped up from August. Is the CD version (2.59) of OvationPro now available for sale to those who have the Beebug versions and the downloads up to 2.58? * ... A fool and his computer are soon parted. A wise man upgrades! -- Phil Hetherington - turned 82 -feeling 28 sometimes - Voyaging to Looking Glass World on the good ship Argo ZFC G+ StrongArm+Riscos4 -philhet@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:51:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133520 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:51:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968800725:10:29888:14; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:18:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102874; 12 Sep 2000 23:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23065 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:16:30 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23062 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:16:28 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B8B9A77D2 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:10:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from martinl.redhotant.com ([212.41.60.2]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:13:30 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:08:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: <49fd190a5amartinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: References: <49fcbc3e70badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: [Snip] > > > As self-appointed devil's advocate here, I really have no objection to > RISC OS users wandering round with stars in their eyes. However, in the > interests of factuality I would comment that that's nothing to do with > the OS, and all to do with individual application design. > It is perfectly possible to design/write a 'clean' Win program, just as > easily as it is in ROS. I do it all the time. Unfortunately not many > others do... Exactly the point that was originally made (i.e. programs including netscape remember where you last saved work and offer that as the default). This is something that few RISC OS apps do but is frequently the behaviour that most users want. Fresco does it (but does not remember over a shutdown and re-start). Some RISC OS apps have default saving paths but all too frequently it requires rummaging in !Run files to set it. Textease is one of the few that lets you set this in a simple way. > It must also be said that a complex application with many configurable > options will, of necessity, require a complex menu structure, and yes, > things will get lost. Bringing the thread back on topic, that is even > true of our beloved OPro. But most RISC OS apps have choices or something similar on iconbar menu. At least that is simple to find. Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:51:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133521 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:51:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968793128:20:23429:41; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:12:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121451; 12 Sep 2000 21:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22662 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:09:45 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22659 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:09:43 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13YxHu-000PFs-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:08:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:03:59 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro-- state of play Message-ID: <49fd0daad6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49fcd3bb93philhet@argonet.co.uk> References: <49fcd3bb93philhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49fcd3bb93philhet@argonet.co.uk>, Phil Hetherington wrote: > I was in hospital from mid-July and August and have only revitalised my > computer this week, just junking the some 2000 maillist and e-mail that > cropped up from August. Is the CD version (2.59) of OvationPro now > available for sale to those who have the Beebug versions and the > downloads up to 2.58? End of the month (latest estimate) one or two of us have beta versions for various reasons. -- John Cartmell, Fleur Designs - Manchester UK ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ ~ see our unique modular board games at the: Cresta Court Hotel, Altrincham on Sunday 22 October 2000 (10am-4pm) ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:51:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133524 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:51:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968833303:10:14379:17; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:21:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125959; 13 Sep 2000 8:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24385 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:19:42 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA24381 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:19:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 3691 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 08:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.238) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2000 08:18:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:16:02 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: OvationPro-- state of play To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 13 Sep, Urban Promotions wrote: > > > I am using OP 2.59 dated 20-Jul-00 > Will the CD version be any different? I don't know how different the program will be but as an original buyer who has continually upgraded to keep pace with developments, I am conscious that there is much more information available now than in the original manual, which was to me a model of clarity. Hence quite apart from additions to 2.59 I look forward to a new manual which includes all the information of which I am unaware. This alone is enough for me eagerly to await the new version. Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:51:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133525 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:51:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968802644:20:28553:15; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:50:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123517; 12 Sep 2000 23:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23364 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:49:17 +0100 Received: from teapot25.domain0.bigpond.com (teapot25.domain0.bigpond.com [139.134.5.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23361 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:49:14 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot25.domain0.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id va224037 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am using OP 2.59 dated 20-Jul-00 Will the CD version be any different? -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:52:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133542 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:52:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968877943:10:09985:19; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:45:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124440; 13 Sep 2000 20:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25807 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:40:26 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25804 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:40:24 +0100 Received: from du-002-0032.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.32] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13ZJJ3-0005gS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:38:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:33:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Windows version Message-ID: <49fd8ec041badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <691e11fd49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <2b0983fc49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <49fc926bd4martinl@redhotant. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 Sep, Alan Adams wrote: > Then you find that a system policy is overriding it and setting it back > every time you log in. Not if you're the system policy setter ;-) -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:52:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133556 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:52:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968992146:10:10354:14; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:29:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010308; 15 Sep 2000 4:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29503 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:28:59 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29500 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:28:57 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-38-8.btinternet.com [212.140.38.8]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA27145 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:26:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915052617.009e9ab0@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:28:03 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: OP 2.58 and the global clipboard In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> References: <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 04:27 15/09/00 +0100, you wrote: >Has anything changed in the way that Ovation Pro interacts with the global >clipboard? > >Selecting some text and pressing Ctrl-C or Ctrl-X suspends the machine for >19 seconds then releases it again. A Ctrl-V keypress will now insert the >text into Ovation Pro but not into any other package. > >Alternatively, are there any applets that could be affecting this? Even >opening new documents by clicking the icon bar seems to be taking a while >so I don't discount an applet problem somewhere. Ignore the time it was taking. A reboot has solved that so it was obviously something else conflicting somewhere. Ctrl-C and Ctrl-X still don't seem to be passing anything to the global clipboard though, at least as far as other applications are concerned. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:53:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133563 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:53:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969000126:10:27321:15; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:42:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105737; 15 Sep 2000 6:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29818 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:40:44 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29815 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:40:41 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-38-8.btinternet.com [212.140.38.8]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12023 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:39:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915073152.009e9930@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:40:11 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: OP 2.58 and the global clipboard In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915052617.009e9ab0@pop.freeuk.net> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 05:28 15/09/00 +0100, you wrote: >>Alternatively, are there any applets that could be affecting this? Even >>opening new documents by clicking the icon bar seems to be taking a while >>so I don't discount an applet problem somewhere. >Ignore the time it was taking. A reboot has solved that so it was >obviously something else conflicting somewhere. Ctrl-C and Ctrl-X still >don't seem to be passing anything to the global clipboard though, at least >as far as other applications are concerned. Heh, sorry all, I'm obviously on rare form tonight. Making sure Global clipboard's selected in Choices helps. I do have a related question, however. I'm trying out TransCalc, a desktop calculator that interacts with other applications. One of its functions allows you to select a number or group of numbers in an application, then by clicking a button in TransCalc it reads the selection via the global clipboard. Once the calculation has been done, clicking another button passes the result to the global clipboard and on to the application with input focus. This works fine with Impression and Techwriter, but not Ovation Pro. My question is, what does OP do differently with regards to the Global clipboard compared with the other two? Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:54:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133573 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:53:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968988809:20:19738:20; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:33:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126660; 15 Sep 2000 3:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29292 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:28:51 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29289 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:28:49 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-38-8.btinternet.com [212.140.38.8]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24342 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:26:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:27:55 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: OP 2.58 and the global clipboard In-Reply-To: <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anything changed in the way that Ovation Pro interacts with the global clipboard? Selecting some text and pressing Ctrl-C or Ctrl-X suspends the machine for 19 seconds then releases it again. A Ctrl-V keypress will now insert the text into Ovation Pro but not into any other package. Alternatively, are there any applets that could be affecting this? Even opening new documents by clicking the icon bar seems to be taking a while so I don't discount an applet problem somewhere. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:54:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133575 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:54:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969007974:20:24024:15; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:52:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124710; 15 Sep 2000 8:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30183 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:48:42 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30180 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:48:40 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Zr9P-000EEr-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:47:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:41:13 +0100 Subject: Re: OP 2.58 and the global clipboard Message-ID: <49fe552c09john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915073152.009e9930@pop.freeuk.net> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5.0.0.25.0.20000915052617.009e9ab0@pop.freeuk.net> <5.0.0.25.0.20000915073152.009e9930@pop.freeu User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000915073152.009e9930@pop.freeuk.net>, Dave wrote: > I'm trying out TransCalc, a desktop calculator that interacts with other > applications. One of its functions allows you to select a number or > group of numbers in an application, then by clicking a button in > TransCalc it reads the selection via the global clipboard. Once the > calculation has been done, clicking another button passes the result to > the global clipboard and on to the application with input focus. This > works fine with Impression and Techwriter, but not Ovation Pro. Where do you get TransCalc? I'd like to try it out myself. -- John Cartmell, Fleur Designs - Manchester UK ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ ~ see our unique modular board games at the: Cresta Court Hotel, Altrincham on Sunday 22 October 2000 (10am-4pm) ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 19:54:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133576 for opro ; Fri, 15 Sep 100 19:54:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969038068:10:09379:18; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:14:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107580; 15 Sep 2000 17:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31273 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:11:47 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31270 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:11:45 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-24-236.btinternet.com [212.140.24.236]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24720 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:09:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915180413.00a05870@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:10:52 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: OP 2.58 and the global clipboard In-Reply-To: <49fe552c09john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915073152.009e9930@pop.freeuk.net> <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <133380@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5.0.0.25.0.20000915052617.009e9ab0@pop.freeuk.net> <5.0.0.25.0.20000915073152.009e9930@pop.freeuk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R At 09:41 15/09/00 +0100, you wrote: >In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000915073152.009e9930@pop.freeuk.net>, Dave > wrote: > > > I'm trying out TransCalc, a desktop calculator that interacts with other > > applications. One of its functions allows you to select a number or > > group of numbers in an application, then by clicking a button in > > TransCalc it reads the selection via the global clipboard. Once the > > calculation has been done, clicking another button passes the result to > > the global clipboard and on to the application with input focus. This > > works fine with Impression and Techwriter, but not Ovation Pro. >Where do you get TransCalc? I'd like to try it out myself. I could email you a copy of the demo if you like. It's functional, but the number size and amount of data that it works with is limited. Let me know by private email if you'd like a copy, and if anyone else wants to try it please do the same. From initial playing around I've found it really useful for adding up lists of numbers in WP and DTP packages. I've talked to the programmer, David, and it works by sending a Ctrl-C call to the active application via the SWI WImpProcessKey then reads the clipboard into itself. After the calculation it returns the result by placing it on the clipboard and sending a Ctrl-V to the active application via the same method. It seems to be this part of the process that OP is not responding to. Any idea why? Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 16 15:28:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133661 for opro ; Sat, 16 Sep 100 15:28:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969114115:11:06784:14; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:21:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010071; 16 Sep 2000 14:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01211 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:49:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01208 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:49:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13aIJo-000GbP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:47:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:59:58 GMT Message-Id: <133626@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.58 and the global clipboard X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >placing it on the clipboard and sending a Ctrl-V to the active application >via the same method. It seems to be this part of the process that OP is not >responding to. Any idea why? OPro produces its own codes for many keypresses - it has to, to allow different keys to do different things. For example RISC OS produces the same key code for Tab and Control - I. You can fake the OPro extended codes if you want to, and ISTR examples of how to do this have been posted here in the past. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 16 15:28:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133662 for opro ; Sat, 16 Sep 100 15:28:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969113332:20:02479:15; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:08:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002386; 16 Sep 2000 14:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01206 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:49:13 +0100 Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24785 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:29:02 +0100 Received: from StonarWeb (212-104-133-17.access.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.133.17]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 03CA64FA4A for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:27:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.5 [Linux/i686]); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:29:00 BST X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:21:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Windows version To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49fd190a5amartinl@redhotant.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From my point of view a Windows version of O-Pro would be a blessing in avoiding all the Word transfer problems. I could specify that all private machines should have OP for W, which would result in a small number of fairly regular sales. But I'll have nothing to do with Windows - it may be OK as a user desktop, but it's the network administrator's worst nightmare. -- Martin Devon Stonar -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 16 15:28:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133663 for opro ; Sat, 16 Sep 100 15:28:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969114126:20:18311:14; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:22:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018251; 16 Sep 2000 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01216 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:49:17 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31894 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:59:29 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 32E73A76F7 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:53:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from redhotant.com ([212.41.52.19]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:56:22 -0100 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:57:43 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.58 and the global clipboard Message-ID: <39a98fe49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915180413.00a05870@pop.freeuk.net> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave was let out long enough to write: [snip] > to the active application via the SWI WImpProcessKey then reads the > clipboard into itself. After the calculation it returns the result by > placing it on the clipboard and sending a Ctrl-V to the active application > via the same method. It seems to be this part of the process that OP is > not responding to. Any idea why? > Yes, OvPro is a bit dodgy with keypresses. I discovered this when writing my global clipboard manager ClipMan which does lots of nice things and is available from my website (see sig) :-) See ya, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Systems programmers are the high priests of a low cult. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:42:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133793 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:42:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969319241:10:03073:14; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:20:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003021; 18 Sep 2000 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08494 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:14:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA08491 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:13:58 +0100 Received: from userbn13.uk.uudial.com (bb57.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.145.64] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13bA5R-0005WS-00; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:12:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tom Chubb To: Ovation List Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:16:10 +0100 Subject: Grid baseline Message-ID: <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anyone help with this facility? I am trying to produce a newsletter and want the text in the columns to line up on the baseline. I have set the grid options to show the baseline and have set up the preferences for the baseline to be my text size + leading...in this case 9.5pt + 20%. When I click on OK to set these, they default to strange numbers, like 56.23pt for the baseline size. Am I doing this wrong or is there a bug that someone knows about? Many thanks, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:42:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133798 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:42:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969350569:20:02667:15; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:02:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106537; 19 Sep 2000 8:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09480 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:01:29 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.vianw.co.uk (mserv1c.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09477 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:01:27 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 13bIJt-0004U9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:00:01 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:52:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:52:18 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grid baseline Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tom Chubb wrote: > Can anyone help with this facility? > > I am trying to produce a newsletter and want the text in the columns to > line up on the baseline. I have set the grid options to show the baseline > and have set up the preferences for the baseline to be my text size + > leading...in this case 9.5pt + 20%. When I click on OK to set these, they > default to strange numbers, like 56.23pt for the baseline size. > > Am I doing this wrong or is there a bug that someone knows about? > It works here (11.4pts). But it sounds as if your 9.5pt is being treated as being in some other measure - like mm rather than pts. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:43:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133802 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:43:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969357805:20:18699:16; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:03:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118860; 19 Sep 2000 10:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09793 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:58:42 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09790 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:58:40 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup047.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.209]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02037 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:57:23 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c0221e$bcf96c80$d194a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Grid baseline Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:50:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tom Chubb wrote: >Can anyone help with this facility? >I am trying to produce a newsletter and want the text in the columns to >line up on the baseline. I have set the grid options to show the baseline >and have set up the preferences for the baseline to be my text size + >leading...in this case 9.5pt + 20%. When I click on OK to set these, they >default to strange numbers, like 56.23pt for the baseline size. There are two figures to be entered, the baseline position and the grid spacing.. Calculate what 9.5pt +20% comes to and set that as the spacing. The position of the baseline determines the vertical position of text lines on the page. I normally create a page of text with correct margins etc, apply the grid to this text and then adjust the position of the baseline until I am satisfied with the result. I also find it useful to have a style called 'NoGrid' which will switch off the grid for any selected text. Be careful of any headings/subheadings in text - if they are to a different point size to the main text they may also need to be set without the grid. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:43:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133806 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:43:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969361953:20:06714:15; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:12:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2127972; 19 Sep 2000 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10057 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:11:24 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10053 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:11:20 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem816.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.48]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07832; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:09:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:11:04 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Mini enquiry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAA10055 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB10057 Hello, Is there anybody in this group who has RSI-problems caused by the extensive use of RISC OS? This is no joke! I also would appreciate why, if it=91s not the case in your case, you think RISC OS has had a positive effect (compared to MacOS and Windoze). Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:43:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133808 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:43:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969362015:20:09056:14; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:13:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007982; 19 Sep 2000 11:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10021 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:07:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10018 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:07:20 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13bLDl-000FyU-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:05:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:35:02 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grid baseline Message-ID: <5ef363004a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Tom Chubb wrote: > I have set the grid options to [snip] 9.5pt + 20%. When I click on OK to > set these, they default to strange numbers, like 56.23pt Did you explicitly state 'pt' in the grid size? IIRC you get some other measure such as mm if you don't. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:43:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133812 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:43:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969379535:10:18671:16; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:05:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126386; 19 Sep 2000 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10937 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:04:04 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10933 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:04:00 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02651 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:02:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <39C78E1B.8EFABCF@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:02:35 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mini enquiry References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAB10937 Having Dyslexia I find ROS easier to use than both Bill' PC & MacOS. My only problem with the Mac is it has only one mouse button. I find 3 better & quicker. However as R OS hangs much less often, someone might do more typing in the same time and thus get RSI quicker than on a PC. "Andr=E9 van den Berg" wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > Is there anybody in this group who has RSI-problems caused > by the extensive use of RISC OS? >=20 > This is no joke! >=20 > I also would appreciate why, if it=91s not the case in your > case, you think RISC OS has had a positive effect (compared > to MacOS and Windoze). >=20 > Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, >=20 > Andre van den Berg >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --=20 John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page =3D http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =3D07626-235878, Work =3D01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:43:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133815 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:43:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969392759:10:13306:15; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:45:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113354; 19 Sep 2000 19:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11644 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:42:56 +0100 Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11641 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:42:54 +0100 Received: from [212.126.135.237] (helo=gavinpc) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13bTGg-000HzW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: <003e01c02272$3802d620$0200a8c0@gavinpc> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:45:51 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB11644 I used to get twinges with RISC OS & Win from extended mouse work on Wiring Diagrams etc. None now that I use a Trackman "Marble" - thumb operated roller ball - thoroughly recommended. Cheers -- Gavin Dewar gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andr=E9 van den Berg" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: Mini enquiry Hello, Is there anybody in this group who has RSI-problems caused by the extensive use of RISC OS? This is no joke! I also would appreciate why, if it's not the case in your case, you think RISC OS has had a positive effect (compared to MacOS and Windoze). Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:44:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133818 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:44:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969379196:20:20517:23; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:59:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020279; 19 Sep 2000 15:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10891 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:54:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA10888 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:54:07 +0100 Received: from userbg55.uk.uudial.com (bb57.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.142.175] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13bPhJ-0002jw-00; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:52:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tom Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:46:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Grid baseline Message-ID: <4a008b72fftomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5ef363004a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> <5ef363004a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 19 Sep, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous posting, Tom Chubb wrote: > > I have set the grid options to [snip] 9.5pt + 20%. When I click on OK > > to set these, they default to strange numbers, like 56.23pt > Did you explicitly state 'pt' in the grid size? IIRC you get some other > measure such as mm if you don't. Yes, but I'll try again just to make sure. Thanks. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:44:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133820 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:44:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969386028:20:21463:14; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:53:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122171; 19 Sep 2000 17:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11313 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:51:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA11310 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:51:33 +0100 Received: from userec03.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.83] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13bRWy-0006sg-00; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:50:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:06:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Message-ID: <4a00824785richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA11311 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB11313 In article , Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > Hello, > Is there anybody in this group who has RSI-problems caused > by the extensive use of RISC OS? Yes! > This is no joke! Indeed not. Though the doctor said it was probably bruising rather than RSI proper. But I tries all sorts of different meece. I now simply reduce the ampunt of mouse work, e.g. Vector - which restricts my ability to do new designs somewhat. And I use the mouse equally well with either hand, swapping from one to t'other! > I also would appreciate why, if it=91s not the case in your > case, you think RISC OS has had a positive effect (compared > to MacOS and Windoze). > Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, > Andre van den Berg > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:44:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133823 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:44:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969398336:11:07709:33; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:18:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008503; 19 Sep 2000 21:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12008 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:17:05 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12005 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:17:03 +0100 Received: from veni (dynip40 [129.69.189.40]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id XAA21097 for In-Reply-To: <4a00824785richard@4qd.co.uk> References: <4a00824785richar User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB12008 In article <4a00824785richard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens wrote: > In article , > Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > > Hello, > > Is there anybody in this group who has RSI-problems caused > > by the extensive use of RISC OS? > Yes! Try using a Logitech TrackMan Marble instead of a mouse. I don't suffer from RSI (and hopefully won't, but you can't be sure ...), but since I switched from mouse to TrackMan Marble, I've bought two of them, because it's lots more convenient: You're faster because of several ways. First of all, the ways you have to do in order to move the pointer are smaller. And second, the trackball is always in exactly the same position to the keyboard. You can switch from keyboard to trackball and vice very without having to look as you know exactly where they are positioned on the table. You can't do this with a mouse. This all saves time and is more convenient to use for your hand as well. Keep attention to buy the thumb operated one though. It's formed very good to fit a human hand. You'll need Stuart Tyrell's PS2Mouse in order to connect it to a Risc PC. And you won't get any without wheel anymore these days. But I've got used to the wheel one on my notebook. On my Risc PC I have one without wheel. Hope this helps a bit. Greetings, Stefan. --=20 Stefan Bellon * * You cannot kill time without injuring eternity. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:44:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133824 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:44:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969392142:20:06377:26; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:35:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111569; 19 Sep 2000 19:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11585 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:32:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11582 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:32:12 +0100 Received: from usereb28.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.9) [62.188.10.9] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13bT6N-0002z6-00; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:30:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:28:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Message-ID: <4a009fc4afken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA11583 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB11585 In article , Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > Hello, Hi, > Is there anybody in this group who has RSI-problems caused > by the extensive use of RISC OS? Not personally, though I only use the RiscPC in the evening and at weekends, and then not full time, of course. At work, I use a PC (excuse the language :-) all day, but I'm not a power-typer by any means. After nearly 20 years of working with computers, I still type with one or two fingers on each hand! > This is no joke! Too right, it's not. It is a very serious complaint for those that suffe= r. > I also would appreciate why, if it's not the case in your > case, you think RISC OS has had a positive effect (compared > to MacOS and Windoze). I love RiscOS, but do find one or two things about the PC/windoze that ar= e more useful than RiscOS (and I mean one or two - no more!!!). One is tha= t an awful lot of the operations can be done from the keyboard as well as the mouse. As a long-term user, I do find myself using these quite often= , keeping a flow at the keyboard. On RiscOS, I find myself reaching for th= e mouse more often than on the work's machine. I wonder if this natural break in typing to use the mouse on a RiscOS system more often, might in fact reduce the onset of RSI slightly for those people who do indeed powe= r away at the keyboard? I'm no medic, so I will leave it there for the mor= e enlightened to comment further. > Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, > Andre van den Berg Cheers *** Ken *** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:45:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133831 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:44:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969442958:11:04297:14; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:42:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008881; 20 Sep 2000 9:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13703 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:40:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13700 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:40:36 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13bgLP-000AbX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:39:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:39:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Message-ID: <4a00edb70bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a00e54fd6richard@4qd.co.uk> References: <3119bb04a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> <4a00e54fd6richard@4qd.co.u User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a00e54fd6richard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens wrote: [RSI] > In my case, the problem is definitely mouse related, not keyboard. I > have difficulty finding a good mouse - my relaxed hand is a lot flatter > than average, so 'ergonimic' mice, for me, are worse! I had mouse-related problems using Marcel but this improved when I changed to Pluto. Seriously! -- John Cartmell, Fleur Designs - Manchester UK ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ ~ see our unique modular board games at the: Cresta Court Hotel, Altrincham on Sunday 22 October 2000 (10am-4pm) ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:45:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133837 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:45:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969410944:20:00734:15; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:49:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000702; 20 Sep 2000 0:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12463 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:46:52 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12460 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:46:50 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-109.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.109]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e8K0iie24355 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:44:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:23:47 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grid baseline Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> Tom Chubb wrote: > leading...in this case 9.5pt + 20%. When I click on OK to set these, they > default to strange numbers, like 56.23pt for the baseline size. Well, Perhaps this is helpful ... Re-install OvationPro. I had a similar problem with the decimal tab character (!) which would not do what I told it. It seems the installation was slightly corrupted. Make a backup cop of the entire current intrallation first - it makes copying over variouse preferences easier later. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:45:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133839 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:45:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969411013:20:01653:15; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:50:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100494; 20 Sep 2000 0:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12459 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:46:49 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12456 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:46:47 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-109.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.109]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e8K0ide24350 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:44:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:26:55 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Message-ID: <3119bb04a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB12459 In message Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > Is there anybody in this group who has RSI-problems caused > by the extensive use of RISC OS? >=20 > I also would appreciate why, if it=91s not the case in your > case, you think RISC OS has had a positive effect (compared > to MacOS and Windoze). Interesting question - this is not platform dependent for me... unless yo= u count the BBC Micro as the same as RISC OS! I have no serious problems in this respect, even after 20 years of keyboa= rd use. I attribute this to conscious attention to the what in which I use t= he muscles in my hands/fingers to do the required work. I'm not medically trained in any way, so this is a layman's explanation, and somewhat subjective, but the thing I've paid attention to is the reduction in opposing forces in my fingers. Essentially (again I stress - this is not a trained medical view, it's a 'users conceptual view') there's a muscle to lift each finger and a muscl= e to lower it. If both muscles are in tension (opposing) the finger stays still, but it's tense. If one pulls a little harder it moves in one direction, and it's still tense. I've consciously trained my finger muscles to be as relaxed as possible s= o as not to work against each other. I only use the downward motion muscles at the moment what I strike a key (gently!) an not while the finger is he= ld above the key n readiness. This is topic a little diverting from OP issues...! But interesting. Brian. --=20 Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:45:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133842 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:45:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969469836:11:01448:16; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:10:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101314; 20 Sep 2000 17:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14624 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:30:29 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14621 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:30:28 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13bmk2-0004cW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:29:02 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03798 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:29:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:23:24 +0100 Subject: Out of memory errors Message-ID: <4a0112aa6eC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am using the new 2.59 CD pre-release version. Yesterday I tried to put some graphics into a new OPro document. The initial graphic (a RISC OS sprite) was a little over 17 MB in size. When I tried to drop it into a frame OPro raised the error "Not enough memory" and refused to load the graphic. The SA RiscPC had 64 MB RAM, and around 40 MB free at the time. I tried the same thing on my home machine, which had 109 MB RAM free at the time, and the same error was raised every time. The only way I could load the sprite into a document was to scale it down in Photodesk. A 60% scaled version (about 11 MB) was loaded by OPro without protest. I didn't at the time play around to see what the maximum size of sprite would load. I have a vague feeling something like this has cropped up before, but I haven't made any note of it. I'm probably doing something stupid, but can't see anything obvious. Any comments/help anyone? Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:45:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133843 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:45:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969440789:20:27402:22; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:06:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119482; 20 Sep 2000 9:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13512 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:02:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13509 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:02:19 +0100 Received: from userez86.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.19.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13bfkK-0001xE-00; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:00:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:08:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Message-ID: <4a00e54fd6richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3119bb04a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> References: <3119bb04a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAA13510 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAB13512 In article <3119bb04a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk>, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > In message > Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > > Is there anybody in this group who has RSI-problems caused > > by the extensive use of RISC OS? > >=20 > > I also would appreciate why, if it's not the case in your > > case, you think RISC OS has had a positive effect (compared > > to MacOS and Windoze). > Interesting question - this is not platform dependent for me... unless > you count the BBC Micro as the same as RISC OS! ... snipped .. > I've consciously trained my finger muscles to be as relaxed as possible > so as not to work against each other. I only use the downward motion > muscles at the moment what I strike a key (gently!) an not while the > finger is held above the key n readiness. > This is topic a little diverting from OP issues...! But interesting. > Brian. Interesting. In my case, the problem is definitely mouse related, not keyboard. I have difficulty finding a good mouse - my relaxed hand is a lot flatter than average, so 'ergonimic' mice, for me, are worse! Others have suggested the Trackman. I think I'll try one. However - RO style guide and programs generally are not considerate of such mouse ache and there are a number of situatons where double clicking is used where a single click would, IMO, be just as sensible! One solution I would suggest is !Keystroke. With this you can set up keypresses to emulate mouse clicks, and set as many as you can remember. I.e. not very many! --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:47:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133858 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:47:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969478020:20:10263:20; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:27:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104542; 20 Sep 2000 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15096 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:26:08 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15093 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:26:06 +0100 Received: from [212.238.114.151] (helo=toonge.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13bpU0-000ONN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:24:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:40:30 +0100 From: Toon Gordebeke To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Message-ID: <3db624014a.toonge@toonge.demon.nl> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Gordebeke & Sikken User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA15094 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB15096 On 19 Sep you wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Is there anybody in this group who has RSI-problems caused > by the extensive use of RISC OS? >=20 > This is no joke! >=20 > I also would appreciate why, if it=91s not the case in your > case, you think RISC OS has had a positive effect (compared > to MacOS and Windoze). >=20 >=20 > Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, >=20 > Andre van den Berg Yes, I have. But I sit even intensive after my MS-DOM computer during my work. So it is hardly to say that it is caused by te Acorn computer. At my office they called a person to inspect my workplace. So this is better now as the place at home. My desk is changed in heigts and now I sit well. And that makes the difference. Here I miss some inches to sit well. That does more harm as computing itself. The RSI is less now. With gymnastic for=A0my arms I can control it.. Kind regards, met vriendelijke groeten --=20 Toon Gordebeke http://www.toonge.demon.nl/ STRONGARMED ACORNUSER Acorner http://www.cuci.nl/~pscheele/ACorner Er zijn plaatsen waar je knalgoed kunt wonen... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:47:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133859 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:47:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969540444:10:25011:14; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:47:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121743; 21 Sep 2000 12:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17222 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:41:59 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17219 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:41:57 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA39173 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:40:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <39CA01C2.BB2D98BD@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:40:34 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal References: <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro i agree to the expansion. Richard Torrens wrote: > > I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > Pilling's products. > > I think most of use use more than just O-Pro and it would not cause much > more traffic, so would be beneficial to all. > > We've already been discussing ArcFax with O-Pro, so we are going in this > direction. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Torrens > 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. > www site http://www.4QD.co.uk > ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:47:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133868 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:47:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969561744:10:15986:17; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:42:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104844; 21 Sep 2000 18:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18167 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:41:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18164 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:41:24 +0100 Received: from useri512.uk.uudial.com (194.69.106.122) [194.69.106.122] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13cBGI-0003lh-00; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:39:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:32:43 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: A proposal Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 21 Sep 2000 (09:44:49 +0100), richard@4qd.co.uk wrote: > I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > Pilling's products. > > I think most of use use more than just O-Pro and it would not cause > much more traffic, so would be beneficial to all. > I agree completely, but is there any chance of having a digest version of the list to reduce the number of separate emails in the mailbox? Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:48:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133873 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:48:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969568401:10:18946:14; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:33:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121025; 21 Sep 2000 20:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18581 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:28:35 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA18578 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:28:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 17179 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2000 20:27:09 -0000 Received: from useral57.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.134.130) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2000 20:27:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: opro Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:23:15 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a01ac7610dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> References: <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Richard Torrens wrote: > I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > Pilling's products. > I think most of use use more than just O-Pro and it would not cause much > more traffic, so would be beneficial to all. > We've already been discussing ArcFax with O-Pro, so we are going in this > direction. Assuming Mr D.P thinks it's a good idea, I'm in favour as well... Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:48:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133874 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:48:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969527421:20:01693:19; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:10:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107423; 21 Sep 2000 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16692 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:02:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16689 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:02:16 +0100 Received: from userfl82.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.24.71] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13c2Dr-0007YH-00; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:00:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: opro Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:44:49 +0100 Subject: A proposal Message-ID: <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave Pilling's products. I think most of use use more than just O-Pro and it would not cause much more traffic, so would be beneficial to all. We've already been discussing ArcFax with O-Pro, so we are going in this direction. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:48:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133877 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:48:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969575023:10:01385:14; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:23:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1001341; 21 Sep 2000 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18974 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:22:46 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18971 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:22:44 +0100 Received: from du-006-0082.freeuk.com ([212.126.147.82] helo=localhost) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13cEiW-0002eR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:21:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:20:52 +0100 From: Jonathan Overett Somnier To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: None X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message dwells@argonet.co.uk (Mr. D.M. Wells) wrote: > I agree completely, but is there any chance of having a digest version of > the list to reduce the number of separate emails in the mailbox? Denys > Wells. This already exists - DP's webpage probably tells you how to do it -- Jonathan Overett Somnier Flat B, 4 Armitage Road, London. NW11 8RA jonathan_overett@bigfoot.com Tel: +44 (0)20 845 854 27 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:48:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133878 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:48:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969577824:10:02521:14; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:10:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121529; 21 Sep 2000 23:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19148 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:08:15 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19145 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:08:13 +0100 Received: from modem-75.androstenedione.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.80.75] helo=localhost) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13cFQT-00059L-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:06:45 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:03:19 +0100 From: Sam Campbell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ImageExtend .78 Message-ID: <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi I am having a problem loading OvnPro - I get error message- The !OArtWrks applet needs ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. Help requested on where to get .78 and then where to put it Thanks Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:49:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133888 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:49:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969558561:20:16138:21; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:49:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016063; 21 Sep 2000 17:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17955 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:41:38 +0100 Received: from sand6.global.net.uk (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17951 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:41:36 +0100 Received: from pf8s07a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.231.249] helo=oemcomputer) by sand6.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13cAM3-0000rt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:41:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c023f3$65570240$f9e793c3@oemcomputer> From: "Peter Jennings" To: References: <003e01c02272$3802d620$0200a8c0@gavinpc> Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:42:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB17955 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andr=E9 van den Berg" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: Mini enquiry > > Is there anybody in this group who has RSI-problems caused > by the extensive use of RISC OS? > I have just bought one of the new (to me, at least) small, comma shaped, mouse pads which have a gell-filled wrist rest incorporated and it certai= nly helps. I have now seen them on sale at various places but I got mine at W H Smit= h for, I think, 9.99ukp. Peter Jennings jennings@aaug.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:49:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133891 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:49:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969632604:10:02691:17; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:23:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002610; 22 Sep 2000 14:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20951 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:18:34 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20948 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:18:32 +0100 Received: from userk122.uk.uudial.com (194.69.100.206) [194.69.100.206] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13cTdT-0007Nm-00; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:17:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:02:56 +0100 Subject: Re: ImageExtend .78 Message-ID: <4a01e706b4steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk>, Sam Campbell wrote: > Hi > I am having a problem loading OvnPro - I get error message- The > !OArtWrks applet needs ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. The module is only available with newer versions of Artworks, either 1. Disable the OArtwrks applet, or 2. Install Artworks and it will put the module in the right place > Help requested on where to get .78 and then where to put it Computer Concepts/ Xara -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:49:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133893 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:49:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969566953:20:26845:14; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:09:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101954; 21 Sep 2000 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18454 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:05:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA18451 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:05:57 +0100 Received: from userfn42.uk.uudial.com (62.188.24.229) [62.188.24.229] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13cCa8-0006pB-00; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:04:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: opro Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:04:38 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a019fc54dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> References: <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens wrote: > I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > Pilling's products. Fairy Nuff. I'd say the first condition is that people try to keep the subject headings indicative: OP: I would to know about... ArcFax: Does it do... Spark: How do you... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:56:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133909 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:56:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969656884:20:19073:14; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:08:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018585; 22 Sep 2000 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21930 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:04:42 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21927 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:04:39 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup028.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.60]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA26741 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:03:56 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01c024d8$4e211260$3c94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> <4a01e706b4steve.pampl Subject: Test Posting Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:00:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Apologies for this but need to test that postings are being received and resent. Recent postings by me have not appeared, or do they not get sent out to those who send them? Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:57:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133912 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:57:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969707413:20:27878:15; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:10:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027566; 23 Sep 2000 11:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23402 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:07:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23399 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:07:45 +0100 Received: from userm937.uk.uudial.com (brooke.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.80.225] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13cn8O-0001zZ-00; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:06:21 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:01:43 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Test Posting To: Ovation Pro Mailing-List In-Reply-To: <002e01c024d8$4e211260$3c94a8c2@akalat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 22 Sep, Mike Williams wrote: > Apologies for this but need to test that postings are being received and > resent. Recent postings by me have not appeared, or do they not get sent out > to those who send them? > > Mike Williams > Akalat Publishing It arrived; getting nearly as good as the Queen's messengers:-) -- brooke@argonet.co.uk RISC OS Foundation Member -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:57:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133913 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:57:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969713988:20:07755:17; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:59:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111743; 23 Sep 2000 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23698 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:57:37 +0100 Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23695 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:57:35 +0100 Received: from paes08a08.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.88.175] helo=RPC) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 13coqh-0002Mf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:56:11 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:22:37 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4A02882130%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> Richard Torrens wrote: > I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > Pilling's products. I think a list is a good idea, but I'd prefer a separate one. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Anagram 31 : Taglines = Stealing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 22:57:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133914 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 22:57:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969717049:20:23986:14; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:50:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023554; 23 Sep 2000 13:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23903 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:49:59 +0100 Received: from wpk-smtp-relay.cwci.net (wpk-smtp-relay2.cwci.net [195.44.63.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23900 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:49:57 +0100 Received: from bandit ([212.137.215.220]) by wpk-smtp-relay.cwci.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.387.38); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:47:44 +0100 From: Andy Carter Organization: None To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:48:35 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> <4A02882130%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4A02882130%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00092314493702.08749@bandit> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, you wrote: > In article <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> Richard Torrens wrote: > > I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > > Pilling's products. > I think a list is a good idea, but I'd prefer a separate one. Separate one for me too. Andy -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 23 23:02:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133918 for opro ; Sat, 23 Sep 100 23:02:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969745818:20:01338:15; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:50:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127355; 23 Sep 2000 21:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24843 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:46:31 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24840 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:46:29 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust20.tnt14.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.122.20] with SMTP for id XAA20818 (8.8.8/1.19); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:45:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <01f201c025a7$2ca179c0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> Subject: Re: A proposal Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:18:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a016c8492richard@4qd.co.uk> Richard Torrens wrote: > I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > Pilling's products. I prefer a seperate list for Ovation Pro. DTP has already a broad area of very different issues. I hope David Pilling will keep the list limited to OvPro. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 24 03:00:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133996 for opro ; Sun, 24 Sep 100 03:00:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969758367:20:13297:25; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:19:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107975; 24 Sep 2000 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25299 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:13 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10724 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:43:55 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup006.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.38]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA15674 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:42:40 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: Subject: Help Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:42:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is not specifically (or at all Ovation Pro) but maybe relevant. Each issue Acorn Publisher publishes a 'Case Study' on an individual or organisation involved in dtp, graphics or web design in some form or other. Recent examples included Corda Music Publications, Trifffid Enterprises and Landbank Services. The Case Study planned for our October issue went pear-shaped at a late stage last week, then the fuel crisis hampered replanning. I now urgently need a new Case Study to be visited and interviewed either this week or early next. If you are involved in any work you think might be suitable or know of anyone else (or their work)then please contact me direct by email on akalat@kbnet.co.uk or telephone 01582 881614. Given my timescale, somewhere I can visit in a single day would be preferred. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 24 03:00:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133995 for opro ; Sun, 24 Sep 100 03:00:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969758383:10:02706:14; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:19:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002668; 24 Sep 2000 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25318 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:25 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24663 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:14:56 +0100 Received: from userad57.uk.uudial.com (62.188.131.100) [62.188.131.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13cvfv-0003EV-00; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:13:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:11:38 +0100 Subject: Type 5 errors Message-ID: <4a02b311e9dgporter@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a008b72fftomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a008b72fftomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently upgraded to RISC OS 4.03 and a Kinetic card. I now find that many of my stored files refuse to load - I get a type 5 error part way through the loading process and the OvPro icon disappears from the icon bar. I am using OvPro 2.58 - newly re-installed after the recent upgrade. I can't see any particular pattern that distinguishes those files that load from those that don't. Some are old, some are relatively new, some are large and some are small, some contain graphics some don't. I have uninstalled my Applets in case that is the source of my problems, but with no improvement, and that is the limit of my expertise. I would welcome ANY suggestions for curing my problem, or, failing that, suggestions for recovering the file contents other than stripping out the text in Edit, something I dare not contemplate because of the size and complexity of some of these files. My back-ups (both first and second generation) are no better behaved. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 24 03:00:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133997 for opro ; Sun, 24 Sep 100 03:00:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969758369:20:13297:47; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:19:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107958; 24 Sep 2000 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25294 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:09 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25291 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13d0NP-000OcI-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:14:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:20:21 GMT Message-Id: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave >Pilling's products. My opinion... It has been useful to occasionally talk about some of my other programs on this list. But I suspect the ideal solution would be another list to cover everything except OPro. The arguments against are that there's not a lot left to say about the other programs and it does take time to run the list as well as to answer the points. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 24 03:00:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133998 for opro ; Sun, 24 Sep 100 03:00:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969758371:20:13361:14; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:19:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013290; 24 Sep 2000 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25327 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:31 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22989 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:01:21 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup014.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.46]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07899 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:00:41 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c0252b$f59862c0$2e94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> <4a01e706b4steve.pampl Subject: Help Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:59:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have tried twice before sending this posting to the group but it seemed not to appear (hence my testing posting of yesterday). The upshot is that the Case Study arranged for the October issue of Acorn Publisher went very seriously pear-shaped at a late stage in my schedule. I now have just a few days to find a replacement. If you are involved in any dtp/graphics activity, or know of anyone else whose work might be a suitable subject, then please email me direct on akalat@kbnet.co.uk or telephone me on 01582 881614 (at any reasonable time). I know this is not specifically Ovation Pro, but many of the best people use Ovation Pro these days. Thanks guys. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 24 03:00:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA133999 for opro ; Sun, 24 Sep 100 03:00:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969758384:20:13495:14; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:19:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013282; 24 Sep 2000 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25304 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11958 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:57:41 +0100 Received: from wealdcom.demon.co.uk ([212.229.199.148]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13bUR7-000Nc3-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:56:17 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:56:01 +0100 From: Stuart Murden To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Message-ID: <1acaa7004a.Stuart@wealdcom.demon.co.uk> References: <003e01c02272$3802d620$0200a8c0@gavinpc> In-Reply-To: <003e01c02272$3802d620$0200a8c0@gavinpc> X-Organization: Wealdcom User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <003e01c02272$3802d620$0200a8c0@gavinpc> you wrote: > I used to get twinges with RISC OS & Win from > extended mouse work on Wiring Diagrams etc. > > None now that I use a Trackman "Marble" - > thumb operated roller ball - thoroughly recommended. > I agree most whole heartedly that the Trackman "Marble" is excellent. I use the FX version. -- Using Acorn and Riscstation machines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 24 03:01:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134000 for opro ; Sun, 24 Sep 100 03:01:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969758385:20:13495:33; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:19:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108062; 24 Sep 2000 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25329 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:36 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25324 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13d0Nk-000OcI-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:15:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:36:54 GMT Message-Id: <133989@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type 5 errors X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I now find that many of my stored files refuse to load - I get a type >5 error part way through the loading process and the OvPro icon >disappears from the icon bar. I am using OvPro 2.58 - newly >re-installed after the recent upgrade. It would be good to be sure the problems are purely due to the Kinetic upgrade? i.e. can you categorically state that the version of OPro loaded the files which won't load now, before the Kinetic was fitted? There are few problems with Kinetic, but it does point to some things, for example the extra memory it comes with can cause problems. I'd be inclined to try loading the files into an older version of OPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 24 03:01:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134001 for opro ; Sun, 24 Sep 100 03:01:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969758386:20:13495:53; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:19:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108025; 24 Sep 2000 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25311 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:21 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15077 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:23:20 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 38CFEA777C for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:16:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from redhotant.com ([212.41.48.18]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:20:00 -0100 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:12 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Out of memory errors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a0112aa6eC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Johnson was let out long enough to write: > I am using the new 2.59 CD pre-release version. > > Yesterday I tried to put some graphics into a new OPro document. The > initial graphic (a RISC OS sprite) was a little over 17 MB in size. > When I tried to drop it into a frame OPro raised the error "Not > enough memory" and refused to load the graphic. The SA RiscPC had 64 > MB RAM, and around 40 MB free at the time. > > I tried the same thing on my home machine, which had 109 MB RAM free > at the time, and the same error was raised every time. > > The only way I could load the sprite into a document was to scale it > down in Photodesk. A 60% scaled version (about 11 MB) was loaded by > OPro without protest. I didn't at the time play around to see what > the maximum size of sprite would load. > > I have a vague feeling something like this has cropped up before, but > I haven't made any note of it. I'm probably doing something stupid, > but can't see anything obvious. > > Any comments/help anyone? > > Chris > I don't know why it does it I've not encountered this problem but you could (probably) use the proxy/reference options to get around it. Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Your most useful program will be continually improved until it is useless. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 24 03:01:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134002 for opro ; Sun, 24 Sep 100 03:01:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969758400:20:13651:16; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:20:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108068; 24 Sep 2000 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25328 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25320 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:16:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13d0Ni-000OcI-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:15:02 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:33:36 GMT Message-Id: <133987@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Out of memory errors X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yesterday I tried to put some graphics into a new OPro document. The >initial graphic (a RISC OS sprite) was a little over 17 MB in size. >When I tried to drop it into a frame OPro raised the error "Not >enough memory" and refused to load the graphic. The SA RiscPC had 64 >MB RAM, and around 40 MB free at the time. Oh dear, that sounds like the new version being put back a month. I've no idea. There has been some tweeking of the memory manager. It would be interesting to know if you could load the sprite into an older version. Aside from a bug, probably there are other possible reasons, like the sprite being corrupt and it looking like more memory than the sprite actually occupies being needed. Or some sort of extra memory needed whilst loading the sprite. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:07:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134011 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:07:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969790195:20:05825:21; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:09:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005719; 24 Sep 2000 10:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26997 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:07:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26992 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:07:24 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13d8fY-000A0S-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:06:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:51:38 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a02fe24b2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > >Pilling's products. > My opinion... It has been useful to occasionally talk about some of > my other programs on this list. But I suspect the ideal solution > would be another list to cover everything except OPro. > The arguments against are that there's not a lot left to say about > the other programs and it does take time to run the list as well as > to answer the points. That said I do feel that Image Master suffers from our neglect. I'm sure many people use it as an adjunct to their scanners without realising just how much else is 'under the bonnet'. -- Fleur Designs - Manchester UK http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ ~ see our unique modular board games at the: Cresta Court Hotel, Altrincham on Sunday 22 October 2000 (10am-4pm) ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:07:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134014 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:07:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969795999:20:23845:14; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:46:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126850; 24 Sep 2000 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27410 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:45:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA27407 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:45:09 +0100 Received: from userec59.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.139) [62.188.10.139] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dAC8-0003HJ-00; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:43:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William McNee To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:37:30 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a0307d5b2w-mcnee@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > >Pilling's products. > My opinion... It has been useful to occasionally talk about some of > my other programs on this list. But I suspect the ideal solution > would be another list to cover everything except OPro. > The arguments against are that there's not a lot left to say about > the other programs and it does take time to run the list as well as > to answer the points. > David Pilling Just a thought...if it takes time to run this list as well as any others which people may want to be set up, then why not change the name of this list to something like pillingsoft@lists.barnet.ac.uk, that way everything is covered in the one list. William -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:08:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134019 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:08:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969790195:10:18881:14; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:09:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018790; 24 Sep 2000 10:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27000 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:07:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26996 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:07:26 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13d8fa-000A0S-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:06:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:00:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <4a02fefb4ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat>, Mike Williams wrote: > This is not specifically (or at all Ovation Pro) but maybe relevant. > If you are involved in any work you think might be suitable or know of > anyone else (or their work)then please contact me direct by email on > akalat@kbnet.co.uk or telephone 01582 881614. Given my timescale, > somewhere I can visit in a single day would be preferred. I'm afraid Acorn User pipped you to the post for Fleur Designs! - assuming that you don't want the same company highlighted in both magazines at the same time. I had considered letting you do a critique of our game instructions (as an alternative to magazines) but I presume even that is out for a while. Have you considered using one of the more pro-active user groups (eg Wakefield) as a study? I appreciate that it doesn't fit into your standard format but if you're struggling... ...and Fleur Designs offer an open invitation for the future. Very best of luck, -- Fleur Designs - Manchester UK http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ ~ see our unique modular board games at the: Cresta Court Hotel, Altrincham on Sunday 22 October 2000 (10am-4pm) ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:08:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134018 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:08:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969820923:20:29396:17; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:42:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106347; 24 Sep 2000 18:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28696 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:41:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28693 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:41:14 +0100 Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dGgc-000NhG-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:39:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:17:57 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a031c047djack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0307d5b2w-mcnee@argonet.co.uk> References: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a0307d5b2w-mcnee@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0307d5b2w-mcnee@argonet.co.uk>, William McNee wrote: > In article <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > > >Pilling's products. > > My opinion... It has been useful to occasionally talk about some of > > my other programs on this list. But I suspect the ideal solution > > would be another list to cover everything except OPro. I agree. Let's keep this focused on OPro. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 mailto:jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:08:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134021 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:08:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969825675:20:01443:24; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:01:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122708; 24 Sep 2000 20:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29017 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:00:29 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29014 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:00:27 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-118.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.118]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e8OJoeM24261 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:50:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:40:46 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <45143434a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > The arguments against are that there's not a lot left to say about > the other programs and it does take time to run the list as well as > to answer the points. I'm not sure what the work is involved in 'running the list'... but there are some advertising driven mailing list services such as eGroups and OneList I could mention at this point. They are set up from websites and pretty much run themselves as far as admin is concerned. The Impact mailing list is run from eGroups. This doesn't solve the problem of DP having to spend more time to answer the specific points... is there any point in having a list for DP's products primarily for users to give tips to other users? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:08:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134022 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:08:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969798730:10:25659:14; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:32:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119764; 24 Sep 2000 12:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27629 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:31:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27626 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:30:59 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dAuU-000PyT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:29:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:23:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <4a030c0eaejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a02fefb4ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> <4a02fefb4ajohn@cartmell.d User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a02fefb4ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat>, Mike Williams > wrote: > > This is not specifically (or at all Ovation Pro) but maybe relevant. > > If you are involved in any work you think might be suitable or know of > > anyone else (or their work)then please contact me direct by email on > > akalat@kbnet.co.uk or telephone 01582 881614. Given my timescale, > > somewhere I can visit in a single day would be preferred. > I'm afraid ... profuse apologies for putting that on the list rather than in a private e-mail as intended. Must be too much late night Olympics viewing that's putting me asleep whilst posting. ;-) -- Fleur Designs - Manchester UK http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ ~ see our unique modular board games at the: Cresta Court Hotel, Altrincham on Sunday 22 October 2000 (10am-4pm) ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:08:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134023 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:08:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969834775:20:23169:17; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:32:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022263; 24 Sep 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29373 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:30:05 +0100 Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [195.147.248.109]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29370 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:30:03 +0100 Received: from p16s11a09.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.107.23] helo=RPC) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 13dKGF-0007d1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:28:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:52:51 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <4A033AADAD%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> <001201c0252b$f59862c0 In-Reply-To: <001201c0252b$f59862c0$2e94a8c2@akalat> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <001201c0252b$f59862c0$2e94a8c2@akalat> Mike Williams wrote: > I have tried twice before sending this posting to the group but it seemed > not to appear (hence my testing posting of yesterday). Some mail gateways must have been down, because I've had a lot of emails (to/from) delayed for more than 24hrs. > The upshot is that the Case Study arranged for the October issue of Acorn > Publisher went very seriously pear-shaped at a late stage in my schedule. > I now have just a few days to find a replacement. If you are involved in > any dtp/graphics activity [snip] Have you been to Blackpool yet? ;-) Apologies for mentioning it if you have done so, but I haven't read all the back issues yet. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk If men knew how women pass the time when they are alone, they'd never marry. William Sydney Porter -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:08:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134024 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:08:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969801653:10:22726:14; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:20:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129078; 24 Sep 2000 13:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27862 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:18:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27859 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:18:42 +0100 Received: from userej14.uk.uudial.com (brooke.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.13.25] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dBef-0005kK-00; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:17:18 +0100 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:37:51 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: A proposal To: Ovation Pro Mailing-List In-Reply-To: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 24 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > >Pilling's products. > > My opinion... It has been useful to occasionally talk about some of > my other programs on this list. But I suspect the ideal solution > would be another list to cover everything except OPro. > > The arguments against are that there's not a lot left to say about > the other programs and it does take time to run the list as well as > to answer the points. This one I can agree with. Eminently sensible. -- brooke@argonet.co.uk RISC OS Foundation Member -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:08:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134030 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:08:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969815399:10:22730:14; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:09:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022655; 24 Sep 2000 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28405 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:08:28 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28402 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:08:26 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user149.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.81]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14088 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:07:01 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:00:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <4a03257285marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > If you are involved in any work you think might be suitable or know of > anyone else (or their work)then please contact me direct by email on > akalat@kbnet.co.uk or telephone 01582 881614. Given my timescale, somewhere > I can visit in a single day would be preferred. I did mention me to you before but heard nothing. I am a web designer and carer of two 1 year old twins. http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ will take you to the portfolio. Am in North Devon Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:08:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134029 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:08:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969874453:20:00557:23; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:34:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123611; 25 Sep 2000 9:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30985 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:30:28 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30982 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:30:26 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dUZK-0008EI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:29:02 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26128 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:29:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:26:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Out of memory errors Message-ID: <4a037fa6d9C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <133987@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <133987@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <133987@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Yesterday I tried to put some graphics into a new OPro document. > >The initial graphic (a RISC OS sprite) was a little over 17 MB in > >size. When I tried to drop it into a frame OPro raised the error > >"Not enough memory" and refused to load the graphic. The SA RiscPC > >had 64 MB RAM, and around 40 MB free at the time. > Oh dear, that sounds like the new version being put back a month. I hope not. > I've no idea. There has been some tweeking of the memory manager. > It would be interesting to know if you could load the sprite > into an older version. I have tried loading into 2.58, and get the same error. Also tried v. 2.52 and my "clean" 2.46. Same error every time. In every case I tried to load the sprite into a blank frame created on the first page of a blank default document. > Aside from a bug, probably there are other possible reasons, like > the sprite being corrupt and it looking like more memory than the > sprite actually occupies being needed. Or some sort of extra memory > needed whilst loading the sprite. I think the sprite is ok. I have just loaded it into Paint David Pilling's scanning software Compo (from whence it came in the first place) Photodesk All these apps load it cleanly. David Pilling's scanning software reports it as 32 bbp. I tried resaving it from David Pilling's scanning software, but it still will not load into OvPro. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:08:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134032 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:08:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969874870:20:11338:15; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:41:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107579; 25 Sep 2000 9:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31048 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:39:43 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31044 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:39:36 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust5.tnt16.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.126.5] with SMTP for id LAA23798 (8.8.8/1.19); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:38:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001e01c026d3$f0c178a0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <45143434a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> Subject: Re: A proposal Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:33:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Sep 2000, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > > This doesn't solve the problem of DP having to spend more time to answer > the specific points... is there any point in having a list for DP's > products primarily for users to give tips to other users? Why not asking/replying in the newsgroups like in comp.sys.acorn.apps ? mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:08:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134033 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:08:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969879216:20:25429:41; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:53:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025307; 25 Sep 2000 10:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31336 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:50:28 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31333 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:50:26 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dVok-0001Bn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:49:02 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27873 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:49:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:44:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Out of memory errors Message-ID: <4a0386dbecC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <133987@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <133987@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <133987@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I've no idea. There has been some tweeking of the memory manager. > It would be interesting to know if you could load the sprite > into an older version. > Aside from a bug, probably there are other possible reasons, like > the sprite being corrupt and it looking like more memory than the > sprite actually occupies being needed. Or some sort of extra memory > needed whilst loading the sprite. Following up my last posting, I loaded one of the large sprites into David Pilling's scanning software and cropped small strips from the bottom, saved the new sprite, and attempted to load it into OvPro. The bottom line is that a sprite of 16556060, and anything larger would not load, but gave the "not enough memory" error. A sprite of 16515856, and anything smaller, did load into OvPro. It appears that about 16 MB size is the trigger (16x1024x1024 is actually 16,777,216). Not sure if that helps. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:09:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134040 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:09:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969890993:20:09633:51; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:09:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2009471; 25 Sep 2000 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31776 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:02:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA31770 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:02:51 +0100 Received: from userey69.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.19.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dYow-0001pH-00; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:01:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:55:45 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a038d5764richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I propose that the scope of this list be widened to include all of Dave > >Pilling's products. > My opinion... It has been useful to occasionally talk about some of > my other programs on this list. But I suspect the ideal solution > would be another list to cover everything except OPro. > The arguments against are that there's not a lot left to say about > the other programs and it does take time to run the list as well as > to answer the points. Of course, at the end of the dsay, it's DP's choice as to what he does, but he should have a good feel now for the general opinion. I suspect general traffic on other programs is probably too small to warrant a separate list. If the traffic's too small, the list has no life and there's no point in having it. As for time spend maintaining lists. That's entirely up to the person doing it. DP need not actually do anything to the O-Pro list, but of course it's very useful market research and for developments and test. And I suspect, on the whole, he enjoys doing it. In some respects, questions on his other programs will raise general awareness of their potential, so could encourage more sales? There's a good point also: ATM as there is no such list, queries have to come to DP direct, which probably does waste his time since many could be answered by existing users. A list is also good advertising, even though it's actually selling to existing users. The existing users are in practise the best advertisements! It's quite possible to host a mailing list - and do nothing on it, but you don't set up a mailing list unless you intend being actively interested in it, so that implies a bit of time spent contributing! As DP is selling the programs, that time could be time well spent? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 25 22:09:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134044 for opro ; Mon, 25 Sep 100 22:09:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969902173:20:09956:21; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:16:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009561; 25 Sep 2000 17:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32273 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:13:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32270 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:13:11 +0100 Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dbn8-0004rJ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:11:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:56:21 +0100 Subject: Toolbox Message-ID: <4a011b2d3bdavid@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OK, then, where's it gone? My toolbox has disappeared. Only in one document mind you. I click away at the Toolbox icon I've added to the button bar to no avail. Every other document behaves itself as it should, but this one is a rogue. Though, of course, it could just be me... Thanks David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 04:00:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134108 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 04:00:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969936050:20:23749:17; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:40:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023677; 26 Sep 2000 2:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01007 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:37:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00396 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:35:08 +0100 Received: from southfrm.demon.co.uk ([158.152.159.240] helo=localhost) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dfse-0000eY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:33:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:45:34 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <3dee7b034a.tim@powys.org, tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> References: <45143434a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45143434a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Cale, Wilts (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <45143434a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> "Brian O'Carroll" wrote: > In message <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > The arguments against are that there's not a lot left to say about > > the other programs and it does take time to run the list as well as > > to answer the points. > > I'm not sure what the work is involved in 'running the list'... but there > are some advertising driven mailing list services such as eGroups and > OneList I could mention at this point. Have you seen all the detail they ask for when you subscribe to one of their mailing lists? Quite frightening. And I wonder how much it accounts for the increase in SPAM I have been seeing recently? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 04:00:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134107 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 04:00:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969936076:10:28648:23; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:41:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125609; 26 Sep 2000 2:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01022 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:37:34 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01018 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:37:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13dkbH-000LST-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:36:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:13:46 GMT Message-Id: <134084@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Out of memory errors X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The bottom line is that a sprite of 16556060, and anything larger >would not load, but gave the "not enough memory" error. Thanks, I will investigate. You can't be the first person to try to load a sprite > 16MB though... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 04:00:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134109 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 04:00:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969936052:20:23750:26; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:40:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023713; 26 Sep 2000 2:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01012 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:37:28 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01009 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:37:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13dkbB-000LST-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:36:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:05:16 GMT Message-Id: <134080@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OK, then, where's it gone? >My toolbox has disappeared. There seems to be a bug, its rare, and no one has ever been able to tell me how to reproduce it. Bottom line is that the toolbox coordinates relative to the document end up with huge values - so it goes off screen. Fix, is to use OPro choices, toggle 'attach toolbox', OK, toggle again, OK. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 04:00:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134110 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 04:00:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969936055:20:23805:20; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:40:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023709; 26 Sep 2000 2:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00997 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:37:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA31774 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:02:53 +0100 Received: from userey69.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.19.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dYoy-0001pH-00; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:01:28 +0100 trackMIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Richard Torrens (RiscOS related" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:18:52 +0100 Subject: A story - or why started the thread 'A proposal'. Message-ID: <4a038f753criscos@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I recently made the suggestion that the scope of the O-Pro list should be extended. The reason was that I thought a story would interest those here and could help DP make up his mind. The story starts with a recent exchange of several long emails on SparkFS. The outcome was, I suspect, a little inconclusive for DP. The correspondence concerned what I thought was a crash when I archived a 1.8MB sprite. SparkFS crashed - or so I thought. Turns out that it did in fact take SparkFS 3 1/2 minutes to do the compression, during which time it was behaving like a good and proper filing system and was giving no show of its progress. DP's valid point was that, although it would be easy to add an hourglass, a proper filing systems should not do so. My point was that an Image FS isn't really 'proper' and if it did show the glass, that would actually be nicer for users. I suspect that I'm not the only person to have asked DP this - if many ask, then he should be more selfish - the Hourglass, whilst out of place on a 'proper' FS, could stop unnecessary 'help' cries which surely do waste his time. Now thus particular incident with SparkFS is dead and buried as far as I'm concerned, but I maintain that DP should consider being a little more 'selfish' in his programming. He is certainly one on the main RiscOS programmers, so clearly could be more influential in setting standards. ATM all his programs adhere rigorously to documented and 'proper' ways of doing things. Dave's unlikely to alter that - it's who he is, but bending the rules could help. So DP should tend slightly less toward doing the 'proper' thing and slightly more towards doing the 'best' thing for himself - call it 'enlightened self interest' if you will. I suspect that what is best for DP and his software will also tend to be best for RiscOS - even if it departs slightly from being 'proper'. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 04:00:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134111 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 04:00:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969936056:20:23818:20; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:40:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101104; 26 Sep 2000 2:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01002 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:37:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29184 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:42:08 +0100 Received: from usera839.uk.uudial.com (193.149.69.77) [193.149.69.77] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dIZn-0003zE-00; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:40:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:39:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Type 5 errors Message-ID: <4a03397346dgporter@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <133989@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <133989@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <133989@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: ... in response to a plea from Derrick Porter, who said ... > >I now find that many of my stored files refuse to load - I get a > >type 5 error part way through the loading process and the OvPro > >icon disappears from the icon bar. I am using OvPro 2.58 - newly > >re-installed after the recent upgrade. > It would be good to be sure the problems are purely due to the > Kinetic upgrade? i.e. can you categorically state that the version > of OPro loaded the files which won't load now, before the Kinetic > was fitted? > There are few problems with Kinetic, but it does point to some > things, for example the extra memory it comes with can cause > problems. > I'd be inclined to try loading the files into an older version of > OPro. Thanks for the advice. I went back to 2.45 as you suggested, but the problem was still present. I replaced my Kinetic card by my old StrongARM card, again to no effect. I didn't try replacing my RISC OS 3.7 ROMs because it suddenly dawned on me that the problem might arise from my PowerTec SCSI card which had been misbehaving since the RISC OS 4/Kinetic upgrade. The only apparent problem with the SCSI card is that it refuses to release on a Shut Down - the hourglass just hangs for ever and I have to switch off without the shut-down being completed. This problem goes away if I remove the SCSI card. I don't know yet whether this is a SCSI hardware or software problem or whether the PowerTec SCSI card isn't happy in a Kinetic system. When reformatting my IDE and SCSI drives to F+ format I copied large chunks from one disc to the other to save time in restoring the status quo (this obviously being faster than copying from Zips). I suspect that after the upgrade had taken place some of my files were being corrupted in the process of being copied back again. This included my Ovation Pro files. I have browsed through my collection of scanned images and quite a few of those that have been copied SCSI to IDE show black bands across them which tends to confirm the data corruption theory. I have now recovered all of my original Ovation Pro files from my SCSI Zip backups which were all made before the upgrade (once I had twigged that Hard Disc Companion doesn't automatically adopt a 'forced' mode), and they are all behaving perfectly with 2.58. All that I have to do now is remember not to overwrite any of my Zip back-ups until I have made a thorough search for other corrupt files. I shall sleep peacefully tonight. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 04:00:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134112 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 04:00:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969936057:20:23805:44; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:40:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101083; 26 Sep 2000 2:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01021 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:37:32 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01014 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:37:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13dkbG-000LST-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:36:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:07:16 GMT Message-Id: <134082@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type 5 errors X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The only apparent problem with the SCSI card is that it refuses to >release on a Shut Down - the hourglass just hangs for ever Maybe it thinks there is a device on a SCSI id, on which there isn't one. Rule of thumb is that SCSI has a lot of time outs, if it eventually returns then it is a time out. If it never returns then there's a bug because it has crashed. Presumeably with the Kinetic you could or should unplug the DMAManager module. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 14:04:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134115 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 14:03:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969937464:20:12527:16; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:04:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012044; 26 Sep 2000 3:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01412 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:02:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00502 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:35:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13dgo3-000Do3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:33:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:18:47 GMT Message-Id: <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm not sure what the work is involved in 'running the list'... Well this will sound like a big whinge. People go away and don't unsubscribe, systems go down, people set up their email systems to do odd things. All this junk bounces back to me and has to be sifted through. People send email from addresses that aren't subscribed (I have to bounce it to the list). Others trigger the filters that are set up to take out wrong use of the list. >there are some advertising driven mailing list services such as eGroups and >OneList I could mention at this point. Yes the list runs by the generosity of Carol Carpenter at Barnet. If that was not available, I'd use eGroups but I don't see that making things easier or at least not without making the service less good. And you'd get some irritating adverts thrown in. >I suspect general traffic on other programs is probably too small to >warrant a separate list. If the traffic's too small, the list has no life >and there's no point in having it. And yet, I often feel the volume of stuff on here is a disincentive to subscribing. It would be worse if there was a load of stuff about obscure fax modem problems. >I suspect, on the whole, he enjoys doing it. In some respects, questions >on his other programs will raise general awareness of their potential, so >could encourage more sales? Ah yes this is not a charitable exercise. Feedback is one of the best ways of improving programs. On the other hand I hope the support through the 'list has made the program more valuable. Throughout we have done a "Rolls Royce" job with OPro, how we thought things should be best done. Despite this OPro has not been a commercial success. The point I was making is that at this stage of procedings [1], is it the right thing to do? I think all this is because Richard wants the hour glass to come on when SparkFS is busy 8-) [1] near the end. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 14:04:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134126 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 14:04:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969955602:10:29531:15; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:06:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029352; 26 Sep 2000 8:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02342 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:02:15 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02339 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:02:13 +0100 Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([194.222.129.211]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dpfU-0002SK-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:00:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Patricia F. Garner" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:41:20 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a03810946tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45143434a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> References: <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45143434a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Brian O'Carroll wrote: > In message <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David > Pilling) wrote: > > The arguments against are that there's not a lot left to say about > > the other programs and it does take time to run the list as well as > > to answer the points. > I'm not sure what the work is involved in 'running the list'... but > there are some advertising driven mailing list services such as eGroups > and OneList I could mention at this point. [Snip] Or what about www.smartgroups.com - at least they are aware of our platform :-) Regards, -- Tricia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 14:04:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134128 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 14:04:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969956013:10:11728:17; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:13:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011265; 26 Sep 2000 8:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02425 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:10:53 +0100 Received: from ir.znet.com (ir.znet.com [207.167.98.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02422 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:10:50 +0100 Received: from dennison.zotnet.net (irts2-80.zotnet.net [128.195.230.80]) by ir.znet.com (8.11.0/8.11.0/jjb-ir) with SMTP id e8Q89Lr21231 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:09:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: X-Envelope-To: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:06:51 -0700 (BST) From: Philip Dennison Subject: Re: Type 5 errors To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a03397346dgporter@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 24 Sep, Derrick Porter wrote: > The only apparent problem with the SCSI card is that it refuses to > release on a Shut Down - the hourglass just hangs for ever and I have > to switch off without the shut-down being completed. This problem > goes away if I remove the SCSI card. I don't know yet whether this is > a SCSI hardware or software problem or whether the PowerTec SCSI card > isn't happy in a Kinetic system. > Is this with an empty zip drive connected? I have had this problem and had to keep a zip disk in the drive to allow a full shutdown. I can't remember whether the disk was ejected with the shutdown or not, I no longer have that system with the PowerTec interface. Regards, Phil. -- Phil Dennison work email: dennison@uci.edu home email: dennison@zotnet.net Sid Griffin website: http://www.sidgriffin.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 14:04:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134129 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 14:04:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969956586:10:26704:14; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:23:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026402; 26 Sep 2000 8:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02565 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:20:29 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02562 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:20:27 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dpx9-0002yA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:19:03 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04899 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:19:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:14:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Out of memory errors Message-ID: <4a03fcebe0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <134084@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134084@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <134084@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >The bottom line is that a sprite of 16556060, and anything larger > >would not load, but gave the "not enough memory" error. > Thanks, I will investigate. You can't be the first person to try > to load a sprite > 16MB though... Yes - that is what made me wonder .... This morning I created a large 32 bpp sprite using Paint, drew a few random rectangles in it, saved it. It was about 20 MB. It would *not* load into OvPro - gave the same "not enough memory". Therefore it is not specific to the original sprites. I guess I next need to look at what Applets I have running and see if that makes any difference. Regards Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 14:04:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134135 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 14:04:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969966734:20:05558:39; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:12:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005277; 26 Sep 2000 11:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03249 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:08:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03246 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:08:50 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dsa7-000Frx-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:07:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:07:06 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Out of memory errors References: <134084@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a03fcebe0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a03fcebe0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a03fcebe0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson writes >In article <134084@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > >> >The bottom line is that a sprite of 16556060, and anything larger >> >would not load, but gave the "not enough memory" error. > >> Thanks, I will investigate. You can't be the first person to try >> to load a sprite > 16MB though... > >Yes - that is what made me wonder .... > >This morning I created a large 32 bpp sprite using Paint, drew a few >random rectangles in it, saved it. It was about 20 MB. It would *not* >load into OvPro - gave the same "not enough memory". Therefore it is >not specific to the original sprites. > >I guess I next need to look at what Applets I have running and see if >that makes any difference. > Well, FWIW, I created a 20Mb sprite in Paint, and tried to import it into OPro 2.58. I got the 'not enough memory' error while the Paint window was open. However, after closing the Paint window, I had no trouble importing it. Just as I'd expect, really. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 14:05:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134139 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 14:05:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969962605:10:24160:25; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:03:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023084; 26 Sep 2000 10:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02917 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:57:08 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02914 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:57:05 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.249.116]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17931 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:55:39 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:53:07 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:53:15 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 26 Sep 2000 11:53:09 +0200 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:53:08 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ImageExtend .78 Message-ID: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> <4a01e706b4steve.pampl In-Reply-To: <4a01e706b4steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 969962109 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a01e706b4steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk>, > Sam Campbell wrote: > > Hi > > > I am having a problem loading OvnPro - I get error message- The > > !OArtWrks applet needs ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. > > The module is only available with newer versions of Artworks, either > > 1. Disable the OArtwrks applet, > or > 2. Install Artworks and it will put the module in the right place > [snip] All needed modules can also be found in the freely available !AWViewer which usually sits in Diversions.ArtWorks. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 14:05:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134140 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 14:05:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969965574:11:12422:28; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:52:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007508; 26 Sep 2000 10:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03101 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:50:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03098 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:50:09 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dsI0-000A2k-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:48:45 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:03:10 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: A proposal References: <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > > >I think all this is because Richard wants the hour glass to come on when >SparkFS is busy 8-) > .... and I want SparkFS to multi-task while compressing (so no hour- glass, please), to avoid tcp/ip pipes breaking. I suspect neither of us will get our way (because of [1]), but I don't believe that extending the scope of the ML would be the way to achieve that in any case. > >[1] near the end. Of course, Richard, there is no reason why you (or anyone else) shouldn't set up an independent ML on e-groups, to promote the sort of discussion you're after. David may choose to read it. I guess I'd subscribe, but I wouldn't have too much to contribute, and I guess that applies to most of us. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 14:05:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134141 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 14:05:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969967418:10:23232:18; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:23:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114590; 26 Sep 2000 11:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03328 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:20:33 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03325 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:20:31 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13dslL-0005nL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:19:03 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07601 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:19:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:17:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Out of memory errors Message-ID: <4a040da700C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <134084@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a03fcebe0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Well, FWIW, I created a 20Mb sprite in Paint, and tried to import it > into OPro 2.58. I got the 'not enough memory' error while the Paint > window was open. However, after closing the Paint window, I had no > trouble importing it. Just as I'd expect, really. Well, I just tried again, loading the sprite file from disc, have closed non-essential apps. Task manager is showing 40 MB free. Still get the "Not enough memory" error. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 16:02:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134144 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 16:02:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969977176:20:21465:35; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:06:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021690; 26 Sep 2000 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03848 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:02:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03845 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:02:27 +0100 Received: from userb603.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.83.78] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dvHt-0000EU-00; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:00:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:39:16 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a040fab37richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3dee7b034a.tim@powys.org, References: <45143434a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> <3dee7b034a.tim@powys.org, User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <3dee7b034a.tim@powys.org,, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message <45143434a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> > "Brian O'Carroll" wrote: > > In message <133975@pilling.demon.co.uk> ... snip .. > > I'm not sure what the work is involved in 'running the list'... but > > there are some advertising driven mailing list services such as > > eGroups and OneList I could mention at this point. > Have you seen all the detail they ask for when you subscribe to one of > their mailing lists? Quite frightening. And I wonder how much it > accounts for the increase in SPAM I have been seeing recently? eGroups doesn't appear to be a problem as you can subscribe by email without registering. The other one is! Which is why I don't subscribe to any of their groups. I run about seven lists with Pluto. It's actually very easy to do so and I suspect nicer than most other methods. But it anyone wants to discuss that, another place would make sense! Maybe pluto-users@egroups.co.uk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 16:04:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134149 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 16:04:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969977417:10:02094:15; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:10:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001495; 26 Sep 2000 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03843 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:02:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03840 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:02:17 +0100 Received: from userb603.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.83.78] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dvHw-0000EU-00; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:00:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:00:12 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a041195d4richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I'm not sure what the work is involved in 'running the list'... > Well this will sound like a big whinge. No - more like a truthful statement! > People go away and don't unsubscribe, systems go down, people set up > their email systems to do odd things. All this junk bounces back to me > and has to be sifted through. People send email from addresses that > aren't subscribed (I have to bounce it to the list). Others trigger the > filters that are set up to take out wrong use of the list. It's in the above areas where running the list personally from Pluto may give significant advantages. The subscriber's list is run automatically but if very easy to edit by hand. It appears to be much easier than eGroups etc, but I suspect Barnet is also far better than those list hosts. ... snipped .. > >I suspect general traffic on other programs is probably too small to > >warrant a separate list. If the traffic's too small, the list has no > >life and there's no point in having it. > And yet, I often feel the volume of stuff on here is a disincentive to > subscribing. It would be worse if there was a load of stuff about obscure > fax modem problems. Probably true. How much of this traffic should go to another list if you had one? > >I suspect, on the whole, he enjoys doing it. In some respects, > >questions on his other programs will raise general awareness of their > >potential, so could encourage more sales? > Ah yes this is not a charitable exercise. Feedback is > one of the best ways of improving programs. On the other hand I hope > the support through the 'list has made the program more valuable. > Throughout we have done a "Rolls Royce" job with OPro, how we > thought things should be best done. Despite this OPro has not been > a commercial success. > The point I was making is that at this stage of procedings [1], is it > the right thing to do? IMO it works excellently for you and also for us. Part of that is probably because you don't find the chore too onerous? It is exactly the sort of development medium I was hoping to cause to grow when I started the PipeDream list. Unfortunately that particular ball was not caught but bounced back very crookedly! > I think all this is because Richard wants the hour glass to come on when > SparkFS is busy 8-) No: now I know what that problem was, it's not a problem to me. But it is an example of the sort of trade off decisions you have to make. Public discussion would, I hoped, help you. Perhaps I just like stirring things ..... Or, as you once accused be of, being devious... But I do seem to have a habit of making people re-think their original assumptions. > [1] near the end. > David Pilling -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 19:29:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134150 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 19:29:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969983599:20:06796:26; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:53:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006755; 26 Sep 2000 15:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04212 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:48:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA04209 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:48:52 +0100 Received: from userc587.uk.uudial.com (194.69.99.45) [194.69.99.45] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dwx5-00045y-00; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:47:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:11:03 +0100 Subject: Re: A story - or why started the thread 'A proposal'. Message-ID: <4a03f71cd9steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a038f753criscos@4qd.co.uk> References: <4a038f753criscos@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a038f753criscos@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens (RiscOS related wrote: > DP's valid point was that, although it would be easy to add an hourglass, > a proper filing systems should not do so. Most archiving operations are so short it's not worth the effort. > My point was that an Image FS isn't really 'proper' OK that's you drummed out of the brownies ;-) > and if it did show the glass, that would actually be nicer for users. Possibly, if the archiving job was suitably enormous (or your machine was chronically slow) but then you see for large archiving jobs - I tend to create a RAM disc and do the job in there for speed. > I suspect that I'm not the only person to have asked DP this - if many > ask, then he should be more selfish - the Hourglass, whilst out of place > on a 'proper' FS, could stop unnecessary 'help' cries which surely do > waste his time. I'd be fascinated to hear of *any* users who had asked David for this. Personally the reaction to a delay in archiving a large item or two, is to have a break from staring at the screen and visit somewhere else in the house (like the loo) Apart from anything else I'm used to using ZipMagic etc on the PC and waiting for the world to end - of course this doesn't need an hourglass as the disc thrashing is a good indicator that something is happening :-( -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 19:29:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134152 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 19:29:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969983610:20:07017:23; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:53:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116342; 26 Sep 2000 15:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04207 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:48:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA04204 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:48:46 +0100 Received: from userc587.uk.uudial.com (194.69.99.45) [194.69.99.45] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dwwy-00045y-00; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:47:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:59:34 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a03f60fe1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > hroughout we have done a "Rolls Royce" job with OPro, how we > thought things should be best done. Despite this OPro has not been > a commercial success. Yet. Your thought to produce a Windows version should net a fair amount. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 19:30:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134154 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 19:30:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969991847:20:16800:14; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:10:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015488; 26 Sep 2000 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04646 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:54:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04643 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:54:25 +0100 Received: from usera880.uk.uudial.com (brooke.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.69.118] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dyua-0000xs-00; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:53:01 +0100 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:21:31 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: A proposal To: Ovation Pro Mailing-List In-Reply-To: <4a03f60fe1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 26 Sep, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <134050@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > hroughout we have done a "Rolls Royce" job with OPro, how we > > thought things should be best done. Despite this OPro has not been > > a commercial success. > > Yet. > Your thought to produce a Windows version should net a fair amount. > This is like visual 'chinese water torture' -- brooke@argonet.co.uk RISC OS Foundation Member -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From steyan@argonet.co.uk Tue Sep 26 19:30:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134155 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 19:30:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969990308:10:03809:2; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:45:08 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127188; 26 Sep 2000 17:45 GMT Received: from userbk56.uk.uudial.com (62.188.144.64) [62.188.144.64] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13dymu-0000e7-00; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:45:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: David Pilling Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:26:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Out of memory errors Message-ID: <4a042f6c9bsteyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134084@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134084@pilling.demon.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: steyan@argonet.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R In article <134084@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >The bottom line is that a sprite of 16556060, and anything larger > >would not load, but gave the "not enough memory" error. > Thanks, I will investigate. You can't be the first person to try > to load a sprite > 16MB though... > David Pilling I have suffered a similar problem in the past (and I think I did email in about it). Recently I tried loading the same file into OPro, and heaved a sigh of relief that it loaded. The document was an A4 page, with a colour postcard scanned in, split into two separate images and then enlarged; a calendar was then superimposed on one of the images. I will check that this now loads before posting this email! Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 22:17:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134185 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 22:17:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969997592:10:01509:22; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:46:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109985; 26 Sep 2000 19:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04986 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:45:12 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04983 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:45:10 +0100 Received: from du-013-0137.freeuk.com ([212.126.150.137] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13e0dl-0002Zj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:43:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:45:33 +0100 Subject: Tab ruler Message-ID: <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com> In-Reply-To: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I would guess this has probably been discussed before but I have never seen it mentioned. Having nearly completely transferred from Impression to OvationPro the only thing I find that drives me mad is the Tab ruler. In Impression I highlight the area I want to operate on, drag the tabs etc and can immediately see what is happening. In Ovation the Tab ruler seems to always obscure what I want to look at so I can't see what I am doing and I then have to click OK to see the effect. Am I alone in thinking that this is more primitive than the Impression system. Or is there some alternative method that I have not discovered. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogerpenny@freeUK.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 22:17:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134187 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 22:17:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 969999440:20:04849:15; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:17:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004782; 26 Sep 2000 20:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05098 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:16:08 +0100 Received: from orc.cs.waikato.ac.nz (orc.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05095 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:16:05 +0100 Received: from freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz ([130.217.248.25] helo=freja) by orc.cs.waikato.ac.nz with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 13e17j-0007IF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:14:43 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:13:13 +1200 Subject: Timing on SparkFS - and OPro Message-ID: <4a043eb8e8kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 26 Sep, Steven Pampling wrote: > I'd be fascinated to hear of *any* users who had asked David for this. > Personally the reaction to a delay in archiving a large item or two, is to > have a break from staring at the screen and visit somewhere else in the > house (like the loo) Well! I have recently been handling several archives of 12 - 16Mbytes compressed (some over 50Mbytes when unhatched). My machine is a 710, so not the fastest in the world, but I have never thought of asking for an hour glass. Image filing systems are proper ones, aren't they? Some years ago (after Opro though) I had occasion to scan a very detailed picture (roughly postcard size) for incorporation into a Christmas card set up in OPro. The Tiff file was 34 Mbytes - dropped into OPro really nicely! It was so long ago I can't remember the OPro version - an early one. I have never since had such a large Tiff file - but certainly over 16Mbytes has not been uncommon. Interesting!?! kh -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 22:17:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134189 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 22:17:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970000621:20:04942:15; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:37:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125224; 26 Sep 2000 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05192 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:32:22 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05189 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:32:20 +0100 Received: from userep54.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.151) [62.188.15.151] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13e1NO-0007CN-00; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:30:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:38:05 +0100 Subject: Re: ImageExtend .78 Message-ID: <4a043b8184steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> <4a01e706b4steve.pampl User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <4a01e706b4steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > The module is only available with newer versions of Artworks, either > > 1. Disable the OArtwrks applet, > > or > > 2. Install Artworks and it will put the module in the right place > [snip] > All needed modules can also be found in the freely available > !AWViewer which usually sits in Diversions.ArtWorks. Noted: I Haven't bothered looking on the CC/Xara web site - however the AWViewer application doesn't seem to feature on the RO4 CD, and the only place I can find it is on the StrongArm CD, that contains ImageExtnd v0.80 so yes it is available in a freeware product - however I think you'll find ripping the module out to make it available for other applications isn't permitted, you could load AWViewer before OvPro though. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 22:17:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134190 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 22:17:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970002050:20:05286:14; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:00:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104401; 26 Sep 2000 21:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05352 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:59:38 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05349 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:59:36 +0100 Received: from veni (dynip36 [129.69.189.36]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id WAA16448 for In-Reply-To: <4a03f71cd9steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a038f753criscos@4qd.co.uk> <4a03f71cd9steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4a03f71cd9steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <4a038f753criscos@4qd.co.uk>, > Richard Torrens (RiscOS related wrote: > > DP's valid point was that, although it would be easy to add an > > hourglass, a proper filing systems should not do so. > Most archiving operations are so short it's not worth the effort. Well, not that I /need/ the hourglass feature, but if you regularly use the gzip method for packing stuff (I do as I transfer a lot to Linux boxes) then you'd understand that there /can/ be long times where you even don't see any hard disc activity. Quite some time ago this puzzled me as well, but in the meantime I'm used to it and I just know that SparkFS is still working as I trust it that it didn't crash. :-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * A super computer is a machine that runs an endless loop in just 2 minutes. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 26 22:53:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134203 for opro ; Tue, 26 Sep 100 22:53:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970003325:10:29689:14; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:22:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120059; 26 Sep 2000 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05496 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:19:42 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05492 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:19:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13e27D-0000e6-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:18:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:39:24 GMT Message-Id: <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It's in the above areas where running the list personally from Pluto may >give significant advantages. Point about the current system is that it is running all the time. For most people running a list on Pluto (or !Maillist as we used to) means that it only runs when they go on line. >Probably true. How much of this traffic should go to another list if you >had one? I think another list would be great. But I don't want to take on more work. >IMO it works excellently for you and also for us. Part of that is >probably because you don't find the chore too onerous? These things don't work like that. You start something and you then have to keep on going. >It is exactly the sort of development medium I was hoping to cause to >grow when I started the PipeDream list. Unfortunately that particular >ball was not caught but bounced back very crookedly! In a nutshell they probably face the same problems, limited resources, limited customers, and unlimited possibilities for improvements. >I'd be fascinated to hear of *any* users who had asked David for this. ArcFS has an hourglass feature. It would help some people I think. >Apart from anything else I'm used to using ZipMagic etc on the PC and >waiting for the world to end - of course this doesn't need an hourglass as >the disc thrashing is a good indicator that something is happening :-( Although as we now know the faster memory on PC's usually means they will Zip things faster. Maybe buying a Kinetic card is the answer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 01:19:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134211 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 01:19:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970006923:20:22761:14; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:22:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022634; 26 Sep 2000 22:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05806 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:21:05 +0100 Received: from sand6.global.net.uk (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05803 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:21:03 +0100 Received: from p59s01a03.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.161.90] helo=loopback) by sand6.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13e36D-0005Jz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:21:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:51:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Out of memory errors Message-ID: <4a0447af08dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4a037fa6d9C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <4a037fa6d9C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Feb 2000) [TEST 1], ZapEmail 0.25 (18 Mar 2000) test-2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If I may put my nose into the trough...;-) I'm using OvPro 2.58 and sometimes do have largish graphics to put in it. I've not had the problems reported with large graphics by others. I've just put a 28 Mbyte Sprite into OvPro without complaint or crash. I've redone it with a few other apps running, and while connected to the net Still can't make it complain or fall over. Tried it in 256, 32000 and 16 Million colour modes, still can't get it to produce the error. SARPC RO 4.02 and all patches. Sorry Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 02:00:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134223 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 02:00:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970014138:20:07972:15; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:22:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106070; 27 Sep 2000 0:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06119 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:21:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05311 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:40:47 +0100 Received: from userep89.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.186) [62.188.15.186] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13e1VY-0007Sx-00; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:39:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:24:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Type 5 errors Message-ID: <4a043a3cb3dgporter@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a03397346dgporter@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Philip Dennison wrote: > On Sun 24 Sep, Derrick Porter wrote: > > The only apparent problem with the SCSI card is that it refuses > > to release on a Shut Down - the hourglass just hangs for ever and > > I have to switch off without the shut-down being completed. This > > problem goes away if I remove the SCSI card. I don't know yet > > whether this is a SCSI hardware or software problem or whether > > the PowerTec SCSI card isn't happy in a Kinetic system. > > > Is this with an empty zip drive connected? I have had this problem > and had to keep a zip disk in the drive to allow a full shutdown. I > can't remember whether the disk was ejected with the shutdown or > not, I no longer have that system with the PowerTec interface. Thanks for the suggestion. I couldn't get a consistent response with a Zip disc inserted or with it removed. However, this set me thinking and I have now reconfigured with the aid of PowerManager and have de-selected the 'enable global spindown/eject' which seems to have cured my problem. Of course, if I switch off with the disc still in the drive I can't retrieve it, but this is not a serious problem. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 02:00:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134224 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 02:00:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970014140:20:08095:15; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:22:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106000; 27 Sep 2000 0:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06114 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:21:10 +0100 Received: from spartha.spa.umn.edu (spartha.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05210 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:33:06 +0100 Received: from lanark.spa.umn.edu (allan@lanark.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.29]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8QKVgI26881 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:31:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from allan@localhost) by lanark.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22530 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:31:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:31:41 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Timing on SparkFS - and OPro Message-ID: <20000926153141.K22402@lanark.spa.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I'd be fascinated to hear of *any* users who had asked David for this. >> Personally the reaction to a delay in archiving a large item or two, is to >> have a break from staring at the screen and visit somewhere else in the >> house (like the loo) > > Well! I have recently been handling several archives of 12 - 16Mbytes >compressed (some over 50Mbytes when unhatched). My machine is a 710, so >not the fastest in the world, but I have never thought of asking for an >hour glass. Image filing systems are proper ones, aren't they? I think that an hourglass on SparkFS *might* be useful. A couple of seconds is one thing, but if some really long process is going on, you can begin to wonder if the system has died... Some FSes do use the hourglass, don't they? Don't I remember (possibly from the PRMs) that one of the network FSes used the Hourglass_LED SWI...? Probably econet, which is something I've never seen. Anyway, if you want some kind of precedent, I'm doing my best to find one! G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-5040 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota --- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 13:37:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134228 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 13:37:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970043532:20:18244:17; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:32:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111293; 27 Sep 2000 8:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07138 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:28:39 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07135 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:28:37 +0100 Received: from [62.7.46.28] (helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 13eCYa-0006R9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:27:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:29:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab ruler Message-ID: <4a048218dddarprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com> References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com>, Roger Penniceard wrote: > I would guess this has probably been discussed before but I have never > seen it mentioned. Having nearly completely transferred from Impression > to OvationPro the only thing I find that drives me mad is the Tab > ruler. In Impression I highlight the area I want to operate on, drag > the tabs etc and can immediately see what is happening. In Ovation the > Tab ruler seems to always obscure what I want to look at so I can't see > what I am doing and I then have to click OK to see the effect. Am I > alone in thinking that this is more primitive than the Impression > system. Or is there some alternative method that I have not discovered. If I had to complain about O/Pro it would be in this area. This has to be the most frustrating part of the application. That, along with the inability for making a style from the effects at the cursor position. Improvements to both these areas have been requested before, but more useful developments such as the Impression Loader, etc have, quite rightly, overridden these desires. However, when you have a spare five minutes David . . . :-) Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 13:37:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134230 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 13:37:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970044113:20:03368:14; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:41:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002624; 27 Sep 2000 8:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07233 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:40:28 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07230 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:40:26 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13eCk2-0006sJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:39:02 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13722 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:39:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:28:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Out of memory errors Message-ID: <4a048203e0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0447af08dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4a037fa6d9C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> <4a0447af08dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0447af08dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > I've not had the problems reported with large graphics by others. It is very strange - I have tried it under many conditions on my work machine, and on my home machine, which has 128 MB RAM, removed all applets, tried as clean a boot as possible etc ........ Both machines are SA, RISC OS 4.02, with 64 or 128 MB RAM, each has a SCSI card (but from different manufacturers). Most of the test I did were with 2.59, but I also tried earlier versions. I am sure I have used large images occasionally in the past with no problem, but what size they actually were I have no idea (when things are ok you just drop the images in). I guess we must let this thread go dormant until something more concrete turns up. Thanks for your help everyone. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 13:37:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134233 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 13:37:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970044757:11:29550:16; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:52:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129450; 27 Sep 2000 8:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07349 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:50:27 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07346 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:50:26 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13eCti-00070C-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:49:02 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13868 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:49:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:48:07 +0100 Subject: Out of memory - Solved Message-ID: <4a0483d5eeC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi all I think I have discovered the problem. I had the virtualise module tucked away in my predesktop boot sequence. Having removed it, OvPro now quite happily loads the sprite files it wouldn't load before. As I do not normally use Virtualise I never thought about it. Thanks again for all those who scratched their heads, especially David (P). Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 14:32:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134255 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 14:32:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970061541:10:11681:23; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:32:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107976; 27 Sep 2000 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08073 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:27:09 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08069 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:27:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13eHDR-000M0c-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:25:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:42:41 GMT Message-Id: <134239@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Out of memory - Solved X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think I have discovered the problem. I had the virtualise module >tucked away in my predesktop boot sequence. Does that mean virtualise can limit the max memory for a given application? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 15:51:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134259 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 15:51:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970063373:10:22746:14; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:02:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022450; 27 Sep 2000 14:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08067 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:27:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA06902 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:12:30 +0100 Received: from userce36.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.246) [62.188.151.246] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13eAQs-0001xj-00; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:11:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:11:14 +0100 Subject: SCSI problem Message-ID: <4a0475790dcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <200009261655.RAA04656@omega.barnet.ac.uk>, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > The only apparent problem with the SCSI card is that it refuses > to release on a Shut Down - the hourglass just hangs for ever and > I have to switch off without the shut-down being completed. This > problem goes away if I remove the SCSI card. I don't know yet > whether this is a SCSI hardware or software problem or whether > the PowerTec SCSI card isn't happy in a Kinetic system. This happened to me as well (before Kinetic appeared on the scene). I suggest that you look carefully at termination issues and then do it again ! Also DMA and Kinetic and PowerTec (I believe), do not go well together - check this with Gary Partis. Hope this helps -- Colin Woolf Watercolour Artist - Fine Art Paintings Graphic Design & Illustration colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk please visit the Web Site - www.wildart.co.uk - -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 15:52:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134261 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 15:52:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970064239:11:23397:51; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:17:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011829; 27 Sep 2000 14:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08077 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:27:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA06907 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:12:33 +0100 Received: from userce36.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.246) [62.188.151.246] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13eAQv-0001xj-00; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:11:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:13:49 +0100 Subject: No Memory Problem Message-ID: <4a0475b560colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <200009261655.RAA04656@omega.barnet.ac.uk>, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > Well, FWIW, I created a 20Mb sprite in Paint, and tried to > import it > > into OPro 2.58. I got the 'not enough memory' error while the > > Paint window was open. However, after closing the Paint window, > > I had no trouble importing it. Just as I'd expect, really. > Well, I just tried again, loading the sprite file from disc, have > closed non-essential apps. Task manager is showing 40 MB free. > Still get the "Not enough memory" error. I have been printing exhibition photos to full A3+ size from OvnPro for several weeks and have not seen the problem. Hope this helps Yours Colin -- Colin Woolf Watercolour Artist - Fine Art Paintings Graphic Design & Illustration colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk please visit the Web Site - www.wildart.co.uk - -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 19:45:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134264 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 19:45:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970067749:20:04677:168; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:15:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123238; 27 Sep 2000 14:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07854 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:12:24 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07851 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:12:22 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0G1J00J2UOI0EW@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:10:49 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:10:58 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: exporting to txt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <4ce69b044a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello all, I was wondering if there's an easy way to export the text out of OvP docs. I've got a large document with several chapters. The main text is all in masterframes and some other text is in seperate frames. When i try to select the text i can only select per chapter per (linked) frame and not all the text. I want to save the main text and if possible also the other text. Any suggestions (other then manually select the seperate text and save it) Regards, Steven M. Ottens Managing Director -- O'dd : Ottens' Dutch Designs - 2d, 3d and 4d designs Site : http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com/ Mail : info@ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 19:45:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134268 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 19:45:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970070162:20:25725:44; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:56:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109812; 27 Sep 2000 14:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08344 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:10:33 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08341 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:10:27 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13eHtP-0003w9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:09:03 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19169 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:09:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:07:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Out of memory - Solved Message-ID: <4a04a11a18C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <134239@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134239@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <134239@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I think I have discovered the problem. I had the virtualise module > >tucked away in my predesktop boot sequence. > Does that mean virtualise can limit the max memory for a given > application? That I am unsure about. I do not have any documentation to hand, its on the floppy disc at home probably, but on running just now the main Virtualise front end, in the configure window are 4 items under memory usage Claim up to Keep below Leave free Size limit The item Size limit is set at 16 MB, which is presumably where my ca. 16 MB problems arose. I thought Virtualise only worked on dynamic areas you told it to, but it may limit all dynamic areas (presumably those created after virtualise is activated). I will check the documentation file tonight. Looking at the dynamic area display in Virtualise, OvPro currently has a maximum claim of 67584K against it (is that 64 MB RAM + 2 MB VRAM?), although it is currently using only a couple of hundred K. I can see absolutely no indication in any of the front end windows that OvPro is set up to use VM. I never found Virtualise very user transparent, and have rarely used it (only in fact intentionally for Compo on occasions!) Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 19:45:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134267 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 19:45:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970068784:10:00182:39; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:33:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113243; 27 Sep 2000 15:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08779 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:21:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08776 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:21:52 +0100 Received: from usercb26.uk.uudial.com (62.188.150.193) [62.188.150.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13eJ0V-0003W8-00; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:20:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:53:32 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a04795839steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Although as we now know the faster memory on PC's usually means they > will Zip things faster. Maybe buying a Kinetic card is the answer. No. As I said in my answer to Richards post, stepping away from the machine for a while is the answer :-) I work in IT support, I come home and play around with this, and in some of the spare time I refurbish PC's for the odd charity or two. I think on the odd occasion that a StrongArm doesn't produce the archive quite as fast as an eye blinking I *really* ought to step away from the screen for a while. As to the hourglass, it's a frill that may or may not be useful to some. As long as something does the job, the frills can be left out or included. How about both camps being satisfied: an hourglass that can be set on or off? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 19:45:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134270 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 19:45:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970069953:10:29560:43; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:52:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120211; 27 Sep 2000 15:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08784 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:22:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08781 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:22:01 +0100 Received: from usercb26.uk.uudial.com (62.188.150.193) [62.188.150.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13eJ0Y-0003W8-00; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:20:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:57:29 +0100 Subject: Re: A story - or why started the thread 'A proposal'. Message-ID: <4a0479b4festeve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a044221b7sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4a038f753criscos@4qd.co.uk> <4a03f71cd9steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4a044221b7sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a044221b7sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Well, not that I /need/ the hourglass feature, but if you regularly use > the gzip method for packing stuff (I do as I transfer a lot to Linux > boxes) then you'd understand that there /can/ be long times where you > even don't see any hard disc activity. Ah, that sort of transfer is why I'm currently fiddling with CAT5 cable, and buying ethernet card(s) compression could be used, but the whole network thing is part of a file exchange setup for several machines and a dial on demand/firewall setup for them all... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 19:45:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134272 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 19:45:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970078412:10:03129:14; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:13:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003045; 27 Sep 2000 18:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09576 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:11:15 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09573 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:11:13 +0100 Received: from veni (dynip46 [129.69.189.46]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id UAA04748 for In-Reply-To: <134239@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134239@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <134239@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I think I have discovered the problem. I had the virtualise module > >tucked away in my predesktop boot sequence. > Does that mean virtualise can limit the max memory for a given > application? Yes. You can set variables in the following style: *show Virtualise$Area* Virtualise$Area_Browse_-_General(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_CDROMFS(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_ChangeFSI_sprite(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_Fresco_pages(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_gcc$Heap(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_make$Heap(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_Megumi_Sprite(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_OvationPro(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_Painting_tool_brush(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_PCAPaint_image(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_PCAPaint_undo(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_PCA_(PCAPaint__)(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_PCA_anchor_pool(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_PCA_Registry(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_PrivateEye_images(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_Thump_images(Number) : 256 Virtualise$Area_Zap_files(Number) : 256 That means that the memory is limited to 256 MB. This is the maximum possible. Whenevery a dynamic area with that name is created, the Virtualise module modifies its max value to the number given by the Virtualise$Area* variable. If you "virtualise" an already existing dynamic area, then the current max value is used. At least, this is how I understood Virtualise after having read the documentation _once_! ;-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * Mistakes are often the stepping stones to utter failure -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 19:46:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134273 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 19:46:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970074293:10:24418:22; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:04:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102104; 27 Sep 2000 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09317 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:01:22 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09314 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:01:19 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user189.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.121]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24916 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:59:54 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:58:12 +0100 Subject: Re: exporting to txt Message-ID: <4a04b0b429marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ce69b044a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> References: <4ce69b044a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 27 Sep, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Hello all, > I was wondering if there's an easy way to export the text out of OvP > docs. I've got a large document with several chapters. > The main text is all in masterframes and some other text is in seperate > frames. When i try to select the text i can only select per chapter per > (linked) frame and not all the text. I want to save the main text and if > possible also the other text. > Any suggestions (other then manually select the seperate text and save > it) The answer I got to this, when I asked the same question, was NO! Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 19:46:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134276 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 19:46:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970073603:20:26470:1209; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:53:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126162; 27 Sep 2000 15:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08664 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:05:47 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08661 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:05:39 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-86.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.86]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e8RF3HI07506 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:03:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:51:52 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A story - or why started the thread 'A proposal'. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a038f753criscos@4qd.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4a038f753criscos@4qd.co.uk> "Richard Torrens (RiscOS related" wrote: > DP's valid point was that, although it would be easy to add an hourglass, > a proper filing systems should not do so. > My point was that an Image FS isn't really 'proper' and if it did show the > glass, that would actually be nicer for users. What about one of those filer action windows that the RISC OS filer puts up with 'Reading files', 'Writing Files' and giving a few statistics like 'Bytes to go'. This has to be the proper way for a filing system to behave, does it not? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 21:50:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134298 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 21:50:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970084733:20:06466:14; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:58:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127687; 27 Sep 2000 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09876 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:52:19 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09873 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:52:16 +0100 Received: from pbready ([62.253.14.43]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000927195052.WNNC16640.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pbready> for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:50:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:50:38 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: References: <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a04795839steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a04795839steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4a04795839steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > Although as we now know the faster memory on PC's usually means they > > will Zip things faster. Maybe buying a Kinetic card is the answer. > > No. As I said in my answer to Richards post, stepping away from the machine > for a while is the answer :-) > > I work in IT support, I come home and play around with this, and in some of > the spare time I refurbish PC's for the odd charity or two. > I think on the odd occasion that a StrongArm doesn't produce the archive > quite as fast as an eye blinking I *really* ought to step away from the > screen for a while. I tend to find Zipping can take a while on my StrongArm - what setings do you have wrt Spark? (Sorry if this is becoming a bit of a non-Ovpro list despite the Blessed Pilling's lack of blessing!) -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 21:50:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134300 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 21:50:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970086581:20:25087:24; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:29:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122148; 27 Sep 2000 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10038 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:28:36 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10035 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:28:34 +0100 Received: from veni (dynip46 [129.69.189.46]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id WAA07187 for In-Reply-To: <4a0479b4festeve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a038f753criscos@4qd.co.uk> <4a03f71cd9steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4a044221b7sbellon@sbellon.de> <4a0479b4feste User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0479b4festeve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <4a044221b7sbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Well, not that I /need/ the hourglass feature, but if you regularly > > use the gzip method for packing stuff (I do as I transfer a lot to > > Linux boxes) then you'd understand that there /can/ be long times > > where you even don't see any hard disc activity. > Ah, that sort of transfer is why I'm currently fiddling with CAT5 > cable, and buying ethernet card(s) compression could be used, but the > whole network thing is part of a file exchange setup for several > machines and a dial on demand/firewall setup for them all... Well, I /have/ my three computers connect to an ISDN router via twisted pair ethernet and the router set up to dial on demand, but that doesn't make gzipping superfluous. I didn't mean to transfer my stuff on disks or some other exchangeable media from one computer to another. But if you publish things on the net for Linux, you just /have/ to use gzip. See my point? ;-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * Ceterum censeo Microsoft esse delendam -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 22:12:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134311 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 22:12:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970088151:10:04417:14; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:55:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129369; 27 Sep 2000 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10220 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:52:41 +0100 Received: from spartha.spa.umn.edu (spartha.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09066 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:04:16 +0100 Received: from lanark.spa.umn.edu (allan@lanark.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.29]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8RG2pI28483 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:02:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from allan@localhost) by lanark.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23413 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:02:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:02:51 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <20000927110251.M22578@lanark.spa.umn.edu> References: <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a04795839steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4a04795839steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>; from steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 07:53:32AM +01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 07:53:32AM +0100, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > Although as we now know the faster memory on PC's usually means they > > will Zip things faster. Maybe buying a Kinetic card is the answer. > > No. As I said in my answer to Richards post, stepping away from the machine > for a while is the answer :-) > > I work in IT support, I come home and play around with this, and in some of > the spare time I refurbish PC's for the odd charity or two. > I think on the odd occasion that a StrongArm doesn't produce the archive > quite as fast as an eye blinking I *really* ought to step away from the > screen for a while. What if you can't see disk activity and you're really unsure whether the machine is still working? Granted that's more an issue with things like Fresco than any of David's applications, but you know what I mean :-) > How about both camps being satisfied: an hourglass that can be set on or > off? Hmm, maybe, but I think having an hourglass configuration option is a lot more code for David to add than simply having the hourglass! G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-5040 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 22:12:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134312 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 22:12:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970088161:20:05885:32; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:56:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005721; 27 Sep 2000 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10215 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:52:35 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07963 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:52:45 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.166.251]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05 Jun 27 2000 10:40:22) with SMTP id G1JQDG01.W3W for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:51:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:48:10 +0200 Subject: Tab ruler Message-ID: <4a0499cffadelink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <4a048218dddarprint@btinternet.com> References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com> <4a048218dddarprint@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I join the company - complaining about the Tab ruler. This area is probably the best thing that could be copied from Impression. (And make it rotate in rotated frames, please. I know that you don't plan to do so, Mr. Pilling, but I won't stop asking until it does). Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 22:12:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134313 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 22:12:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970088376:11:04555:14; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:59:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104338; 27 Sep 2000 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10311 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:58:11 +0100 Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [195.147.248.109]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10308 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:58:09 +0100 Received: from p3es03a01.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.131.63] helo=RPC) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 13eOFs-0004Mt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:56:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:07:14 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4A04B70651%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a04795839steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a04795839steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a04795839steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling wrote: [snip] > As to the hourglass, it's a frill that may or may not be useful to some. As > long as something does the job, the frills can be left out or included. > > How about both camps being satisfied: an hourglass that can be set on or > off? Was it Spark whose IB icon changed to an hourglass? I write to a zip on a CDRW over the network & have sometimes wondered if SFS had crashed. It hadn't, but it seems to depend on the type of file being zipped. IME OPro docs seem to take a while to zip. My desire in SFS is renaming files. 8-) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Fixed Word Length: Certain four-letter words used by programmers when under extreme duress. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 22:12:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134314 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 22:12:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970088884:10:26227:15; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:08:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026064; 27 Sep 2000 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10393 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:07:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10390 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:07:13 +0100 Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13eOOj-000JWA-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:05:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:04:55 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: SCSI problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a0475790dcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 27 Sep, colinwoolf wrote: > Also DMA and Kinetic and PowerTec (I believe), do not go well > together - check this with Gary Partis. Yeah - but if my experience is anything to go by, (very similar similar problem) don't hold your breath for a reply! Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 23:31:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134315 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 23:31:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970089319:20:11603:14; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:15:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112603; 27 Sep 2000 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10464 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:14:39 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10461 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:14:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13eOVu-000Jir-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:13:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:04:49 GMT Message-Id: <134309@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tend to find Zipping can take a while on my StrongArm - what setings do you >have wrt Spark? Using *ZipStrength to turn down how hard SparkFS is working should help. However things depend on the data you're squashing i.e. the arrangement of bytes not the length, some things just take a very long time. >What about one of those filer action windows that the RISC OS filer puts up >with 'Reading files', 'Writing Files' and giving a few statistics like >'Bytes to go'. This has to be the proper way for a filing system to behave, >does it not? No. People often assume that those windows they use to manipulate files on the desktop are the filing system, they're not. Ideally there would be an interface to filing systems to flush data, and the filer would provide feedback to users. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 23:31:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134317 for opro ; Wed, 27 Sep 100 23:31:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970093899:20:29794:15; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:31:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029107; 27 Sep 2000 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10905 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:25:14 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10902 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:25:12 +0100 Received: from modem-3.alaska.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.53.3] helo=orchard-way) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13ePc9-0006XW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:23:45 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:57:12 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: exporting to txt Message-ID: <0014cc044a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4ce69b044a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> In-Reply-To: <4ce69b044a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ce69b044a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> you wrote: > Hello all, > > I was wondering if there's an easy way to export the text out of OvP docs. > I've got a large document with several chapters. > > The main text is all in masterframes and some other text is in seperate > frames. When i try to select the text i can only select per chapter per > (linked) frame and not all the text. I want to save the main text and if > possible also the other text. > > Any suggestions (other then manually select the seperate text and save it) > > Regards, > > Steven M. Ottens > Managing Director > I think I'd suggest saving as DDL, then editing the DDL. I seem to recall reading somewhere that tags enclosed the pieces of text, so perhaps a simple filter program in Basic? Just don't expect the pieces of text to appear in the same order as they are on paper. I guess they will appear in the order the frames holding them were created. Now over to David P to refute all this. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 13:04:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134328 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 13:04:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970105970:20:24388:15; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:52:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024272; 28 Sep 2000 1:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11378 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:51:50 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11375 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:51:48 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-95.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.95]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e8S1nhP28300 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:49:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:48:37 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <134309@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <134309@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > What about one of those filer action windows that the RISC OS filer > > puts up with 'Reading files', 'Writing Files' and giving a few > > statistics like 'Bytes to go'. This has to be the proper way for a > > filing system to behave, does it not? > > No. People often assume that those windows they use to manipulate files > on the desktop are the filing system, they're not. > > Ideally there would be an interface to filing systems to flush data, and > the filer would provide feedback to users. Oh. What does one of them look like then? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 13:04:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134329 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 13:04:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970126443:20:02120:22; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:34:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122880; 28 Sep 2000 7:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12162 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:27:11 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12155 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:27:08 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF9E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.249.231]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29119 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:25:44 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:51:02 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:49:41 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 27 Sep 2000 09:49:39 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:49:39 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Timing on SparkFS - and OPro Message-ID: <717b7e044a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <20000926153141.K22402@lanark.spa.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: <20000926153141.K22402@lanark.spa.umn.edu> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 970125826 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <20000926153141.K22402@lanark.spa.umn.edu> you wrote: [snip] > Some FSes do use the hourglass, don't they? Don't I remember (possibly > from the PRMs) that one of the network FSes used the Hourglass_LED > SWI...? Probably econet, which is something I've never seen. Anyway, if > you want some kind of precedent, I'm doing my best to find one! > Yes Econet did things like that (early versions of ROS 3, or 2, can't tell anymore). And today still Access may throw a red hourglass if terrible things happen to a peer. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 13:04:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134331 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 13:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970141001:20:16833:18; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:36:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107976; 28 Sep 2000 11:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12798 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:30:26 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12782 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:30:00 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust111.tnt17.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.128.111] with SMTP for id NAA06257 (8.8.8/1.19); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:28:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002301c0293e$dffced20$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" Subject: Extracting text from multiple frames Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:59:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I lost the original email, asking about a way to extract all the text from a multi chapters/multi frames Ovation file. I think the same is true for an Impression file. It isn't difficult. Print the doc to a PostScript file with the PostScript printer. Level 1 or 2 doesn't matter. Make sure !GhostScr (GhostScript) has been seen by the filer. Open a Taskwindow. Type the command: ps2ascii . After return of the * you have a textfile, containing all the text of your document, ordered page by page and an empty line between the content of every frame. The only extra character 'I' discovered, where a few [0c] at the end of some frame contents. Easily to remove when you have to reorder the paragraphs or using find/replace. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 13:05:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134327 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 13:04:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970106117:10:00639:16; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:55:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000591; 28 Sep 2000 1:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11382 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:51:53 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11379 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:51:50 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-95.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.95]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e8S1njP28306 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:49:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:43:38 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: SCSI problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a0475790dcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4a0475790dcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> colinwoolf wrote: > I suggest that you look carefully at termination issues and > then do it again ! I had a SCSI problem for months that seemed to be a terminations issue (all advice pointed that way). It turned out to be data errors caused by a (let's say) cheap SCSI 2 lead. The solution was to use a SCSI 2 to SCSI 1 adaptor dongle and then use a SCSI 1 lead. This'll get archived and help someone out in 6 months time, maybe! Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 13:05:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134334 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 13:05:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970126414:10:05696:19; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:33:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005540; 28 Sep 2000 7:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12163 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:27:12 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12159 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:27:09 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF9E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.249.231]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29123 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:25:45 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:45:13 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:43:48 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 27 Sep 2000 09:43:46 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:43:46 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ImageExtend .78 Message-ID: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> <4a01e706b4steve.pampl <4a043b8184steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a043b8184steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 970125826 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a043b8184steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article , > Martin Vethake wrote: > > In message <4a01e706b4steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > I Haven't bothered looking on the CC/Xara web site - however the AWViewer > application doesn't seem to feature on the RO4 CD, and the only place I can > find it is on the StrongArm CD, that contains ImageExtnd v0.80 so yes it is > available in a freeware product - however I think you'll find ripping the > module out to make it available for other applications isn't permitted, you > could load AWViewer before OvPro though. > No "ripping" needed, put !AWViewer into !Boot.Resources and You will have a valid after booting (Did that for a customer a while ago). Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 13:05:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134337 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 13:05:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970140995:11:26158:15; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:36:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001491; 28 Sep 2000 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12801 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:30:31 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12795 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:30:14 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust111.tnt17.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.128.111] with SMTP for id NAA06264 (8.8.8/1.19); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:28:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002401c0293e$e0b0fae0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com> <4a048218dddarprint@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Tab ruler Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:24:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 27 Sep 2000, Roger Mayne wrote: > In article <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com>, > Roger Penniceard wrote: > > > I would guess this has probably been discussed before but I have never > > seen it mentioned. Having nearly completely transferred from Impression > > to OvationPro the only thing I find that drives me mad is the Tab > > ruler. In Impression I highlight the area I want to operate on, drag > > the tabs etc and can immediately see what is happening. In Ovation the > > Tab ruler seems to always obscure what I want to look at so I can't see > > what I am doing and I then have to click OK to see the effect. Am I > > alone in thinking that this is more primitive than the Impression > > system. Or is there some alternative method that I have not discovered. > > If I had to complain about O/Pro it would be in this area. This has to be > the most frustrating part of the application. That, along with the > inability for making a style from the effects at the cursor position. I can't see much 'negative' difference in the way Ovation Pro behaves in the area of tabs related to Paublisher. In OvPro you can set 'always visible' rulers using the View>Options>Rulers on for the default document, where Publisher offers that choice via the iconbar>menu>choices. In Publisher you can switch between the style and the ruler with a button. In OvPro you use Control+Tab to edit the ruler/tabs. Sometimes the window covers the selected text, but this window can easily be moved. Dropping the tabs on the ruler and finetuning the position, can be done by typing. The advantage in Publisher is the on the fly-updating, where as I have to click ok and Control+Tab again in Ovation Pro. Of course, I also would prefer an instant updating or at least the use of the return key instead of clicking OK to get only keypresses instead of 'mouse click+keypresses'. However, I consider the fact, that I can define the leader for every tab in OvationPro in the ruler window as a bigger advantage compared to the disadvantage of the difference in updating. The style recording facility in Publisher is a nice feature, when you don't experiment too much. Every effect -used or removed- becomes part of the Publisher document and there is a limit to the amount of effects in one document and no warning, before it is too late ... mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 17:45:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134350 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 17:45:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970151510:10:20594:16; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:31:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118034; 28 Sep 2000 14:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13297 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:02:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13294 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:02:44 +0100 Received: from userez39.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.19.110] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13eeFT-0003Cr-00; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:01:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:52:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Message-ID: <4a0523908arichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a00edb70bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <3119bb04a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> <4a00e54fd6richard@4qd.co.u User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a00edb70bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <4a00e54fd6richard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens > wrote: > [RSI] > > In my case, the problem is definitely mouse related, not keyboard. I > > have difficulty finding a good mouse - my relaxed hand is a lot flatter > > than average, so 'ergonimic' mice, for me, are worse! > I had mouse-related problems using Marcel but this improved when I > changed to Pluto. Seriously! Quite believe it. Pluto's not perfect but it does seem to have a better user interface than any other emailer. You can do a lot from the keyboard in Pluto, and also Messenger. But this gets way off topic! Nobody has suggested any way O-Pro can be made more RSI-resistant. Maybe we have a perfect program in that respect? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 17:45:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134351 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 17:45:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970151285:20:18728:92; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:28:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106332; 28 Sep 2000 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13255 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:57:50 +0100 Received: from wide.horizon.nl (wide.horizon.nl [213.197.24.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12075 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:27 +0100 Received: from xat.horizon.nl (sun090.horizon.nl [213.197.26.90]) by wide.horizon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA23961 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:41:53 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: wide.horizon.nl: Host sun090.horizon.nl [213.197.26.90] claimed to be xat.horizon.nl Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:28:59 +0100 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: SCSI problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a0475790dcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 27 Sep, colinwoolf wrote: [snip] > > problem goes away if I remove the SCSI card. I don't know yet > > whether this is a SCSI hardware or software problem or whether > > the PowerTec SCSI card isn't happy in a Kinetic system. The PowerTec card and Kinetic don't go together at all. I've send MANY emails and faxes to Gary Partis but he doesn't respond at all. And he doesn't seem to have a phone number... Just in case you are wondering how to terminate your SCSI bus correctly, I have a page at my website on this topic at: http://www.xat.nl/hw/scsi/index.htm Although this page is in Dutch, the drawings speak for themselves, I hope. Good luck, -- Paul Reuvers X-Ample Technology The Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 17:45:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134353 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 17:45:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970151789:20:00994:51; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:36:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124386; 28 Sep 2000 14:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13286 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:02:10 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13283 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:02:08 +0100 Received: from userez39.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.19.110] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13eeEs-0003Cr-00; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:00:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:40:15 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a05176e76richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAA13284 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB13286 Status: R In article <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >It's in the above areas where running the list personally from Pluto m= ay > >give significant advantages. > Point about the current system is that it is running all the time. > For most people running a list on Pluto (or !Maillist as we used to) > means that it only runs when they go on line. In my case, Vogager auto connects 4 times daily. With a mailing list set to automatic, that's often enough that the list is effectively 'permanently on line' as far as any user can tell. > >Probably true. How much of this traffic should go to another list if y= ou > >had one? > I think another list would be great. But I don't want to take on > more work. Then who wants to run the list? And what shall we call it. I was not angling for the job! However, it's a good cause and if nobody else volunteers to run it, I will do so! If someone else wants the job, I cam help advise them how to go about it. So maybe PillingSoft@4qd.co.uk ? BTW: I'm quite surprised that you find running a mailing list to be a significant amount of work. It's only (with Pluto) as much work as you make it, i.e. do you feel compelled to read/answer every email. Yes - occasionally an email address has to be removed manually when email starts bouncing. I've been hosting the StrongEd list - I've literally done nothing to it for about 6 weeks. I feel perhaps a little guilty, but the list runs without. For a new list to be considered successful, I would want it to improve your business, either by helping promote awareness of your products, or b= y removing maintenance tasks from you so you have more time for development. > >IMO it works excellently for you and also for us. Part of that is > >probably because you don't find the chore too onerous? > These things don't work like that. You start something and you > then have to keep on going. Agreed. But IMO a mailing list nowadays is an integral and almost indispensable part of selling software, certainly for RiscOS. But when starting any business, in my experience people tend to do things the way they think best/nicest/easiest and justify the reasons after they've got a business running. There are no guaranteed rules for running a successful business=A0- or else everyone would be doing it! But define 'successful'. 4QD is successful in that I'm earning a good living, but I need to grow it more so that it does not die when I retire. In that respect, it's not there ye= t. > >It is exactly the sort of development medium I was hoping to cause to > >grow when I started the PipeDream list. Unfortunately that particular > >ball was not caught but bounced back very crookedly! > In a nutshell they probably face the same problems, limited resources, > limited customers, and unlimited possibilities for improvements. And 'lack of vision' I would say. One thing someone said about you, Dave, is that you have a better understanding of users than do most programmers. Without that, you'd not still be scraping a living from RiscOS! --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 17:46:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134354 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 17:45:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970156437:10:06457:14; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:53:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005373; 28 Sep 2000 15:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13757 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:23:32 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13754 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:23:30 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13efVd-0006BC-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:22:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:04:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Message-ID: <4a052a2c07Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0523908arichard@4qd.co.uk> References: <3119bb04a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> <4a00e54fd6richard@4qd.co.u User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Sep, Richard Torrens wrote: > In article <4a00edb70bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell wrote: > > In article <4a00e54fd6richard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens > > wrote: > > [RSI] > > > In my case, the problem is definitely mouse related, not keyboard. I > > > have difficulty finding a good mouse - my relaxed hand is a lot flatter > > > than average, so 'ergonimic' mice, for me, are worse! > > I had mouse-related problems using Marcel but this improved when I > > changed to Pluto. Seriously! > Quite believe it. Pluto's not perfect but it does seem to have a better > user interface than any other emailer. You can do a lot from the keyboard > in Pluto, and also Messenger. > But this gets way off topic! Nobody has suggested any way O-Pro can be > made more RSI-resistant. Maybe we have a perfect program in that > respect? Speech recognition (!) -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 17:46:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134358 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 17:46:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970158948:11:02111:17; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:35:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101611; 28 Sep 2000 16:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14096 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:31:50 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14093 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:31:48 +0100 Received: from [62.7.51.241] (helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 13egZk-00012H-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:30:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:34:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab ruler Message-ID: <4a05325b5edarprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <002401c0293e$e0b0fae0$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com> <4a048218dddarprint@btinternet.com> <0024 User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <002401c0293e$e0b0fae0$4d01a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Wed 27 Sep 2000, Roger Mayne wrote: > > If I had to complain about O/Pro it would be in this area. This has to > > be the most frustrating part of the application. That, along with the > > inability for making a style from the effects at the cursor position. > I can't see much 'negative' difference in the way Ovation Pro behaves in > the area of tabs related to Paublisher. > In OvPro you can set 'always visible' rulers using the > View>Options>Rulers on for the default document, Not tab rulers, you can't. I think you are referring to page rulers. In O/Pro page rulers have nothing to do with the setting of tabs, unlike Publisher. > where Publisher offers that choice via the iconbar>menu>choices. > In Publisher you can switch between the style and the ruler with a > button. In OvPro you use Control+Tab to edit the ruler/tabs. Sometimes > the window covers the selected text, but this window can easily be > moved. But the tab ruler cannot be moved. This is what covers the text. > Dropping the tabs on the ruler and finetuning the position, can > be done by typing. The advantage in Publisher is the on the > fly-updating, where as I have to click ok and Control+Tab again in > Ovation Pro. Of course, I also would prefer an instant updating or at > least the use of the return key instead of clicking OK to get only > keypresses instead of 'mouse click+keypresses'. However, I consider the > fact, that I can define the leader for every tab in OvationPro in the > ruler window as a bigger advantage compared to the disadvantage of the > difference in updating. > The style recording facility in Publisher is a nice feature, when you > don't experiment too much. Every effect -used or removed- becomes part > of the Publisher document and there is a limit to the amount of effects > in one document and no warning, before it is too late ... Regards Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 17:46:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134360 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 17:46:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970154581:20:08968:18; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:23:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008902; 28 Sep 2000 15:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13578 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:54:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13575 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:54:12 +0100 Received: from userd037.uk.uudial.com (194.69.109.240) [194.69.109.240] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13ef3H-0005eg-00; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:52:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:55:32 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a050859b6steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <134164@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a04795839steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Pete Bready wrote: > I tend to find Zipping can take a while on my StrongArm - what setings > do you have wrt Spark? Put the files to be compressed into RAMDisc, put the new archive in RAMDisc, point the temp file location to a point in the RAMDisc. Everything then happens in memory and the limitation is the bus speed rather than disc access times. OK it takes a lot of RAM for a RAM disc that big, however there *was* actually a reason for buying the 128 MB simm to add to the existing 16MB. If I find I'm working on larger stuff I might go to a larger setup. Hmmm, can you get 256MB on a Kinetic? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 23:32:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134390 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 23:32:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970172449:10:15460:18; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:20:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114897; 28 Sep 2000 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14614 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:10:20 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14611 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:10:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13ejzC-000NSG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:08:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:09:00 GMT Message-Id: <134364@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >point the temp file location to a point in the RAMDisc Why not just give SparkFS more RAM? (assuming you mean the SparkFS temp file). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 23:32:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134391 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 23:32:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970172133:20:16747:23; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:15:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114975; 28 Sep 2000 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14610 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:10:18 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14606 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:10:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13ejzA-000NSG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:08:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:17 GMT Message-Id: <134362@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >BTW: I'm quite surprised that you find running a mailing list to be a >significant amount of work. It's only (with Pluto) as much work as you >make it, i.e. do you feel compelled to read/answer every email. Well things change, maybe you have an easier time with Pluto than we (Beebug days) used to have with Maillist. However many of our woes were down to demon (e.g. it wouldn't bcc to more than about 100 names, so things had to go in chunks). There are about 500 subscribers to this list, so it only takes a small fraction to be having problems. >Agreed. But IMO a mailing list nowadays is an integral and almost >indispensable part of selling software, certainly for RiscOS. On the data available to me, I don't see a long and thriving future for RISC OS desktop software. My intention is to support the software I've sold in the past whilst it is used, but I don't believe that expanding my activities is the right thing to do. >Without that, you'd not still be scraping a living from RiscOS! Triffic. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 28 23:32:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134397 for opro ; Thu, 28 Sep 100 23:32:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970178883:10:15603:14; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:08:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126991; 28 Sep 2000 22:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15000 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:03:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA14997 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:03:39 +0100 Received: from userbi59.uk.uudial.com (bb57.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.143.123] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13elkp-0007Ms-00; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:02:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tom Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:00:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Grid baseline Message-ID: <4a05502f06tomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001e01c0221e$bcf96c80$d194a8c2@akalat> References: <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> <001e01c0221e$bcf96c80$d194a8c2@akalat> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 19 Sep, Mike Williams wrote: > There are two figures to be entered, the baseline position and the grid > spacing.. Calculate what 9.5pt +20% comes to and set that as the > spacing. The position of the baseline determines the vertical position > of text lines on the page. I normally create a page of text with correct > margins etc, apply the grid to this text and then adjust the position of > the baseline until I am satisfied with the result. Yes, I can manage this bit OK. What I don't seem to get is the precise meaning of 'baseline origin'. From where is this measured...the baseline of the top line? Is this a matter of judgement by eye? > I also find it useful to have a style called 'NoGrid' which will switch > off the grid for any selected text. > Be careful of any headings/subheadings in text - if they are to a > different point size to the main text they may also need to be set > without the grid. This sounds sensible. Running the usual risk of sounding dim, how do you set the grid options in a style? Assuming this is manageable, how then do you to apply to a text selection? Cheers, Tom C > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 13:45:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134415 for opro ; Fri, 29 Sep 100 13:45:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970210975:20:29677:21; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:02:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029355; 29 Sep 2000 7:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16108 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:57:42 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16105 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:57:40 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup020.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.52]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20445 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:57:58 +0100 Message-ID: <004301c029e2$66940be0$3494a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> <001e01c0221e$bcf96c80$d194a8c2@akalat> <4a05502f06tomc@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Grid baseline Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:55:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Tom Chubb wrote: >> There are two figures to be entered, the baseline position and the grid >> spacing.. Calculate what 9.5pt +20% comes to and set that as the >> spacing. The position of the baseline determines the vertical position >> of text lines on the page. I normally create a page of text with correct >> margins etc, apply the grid to this text and then adjust the position of >> the baseline until I am satisfied with the result. > > Yes, I can manage this bit OK. What I don't seem to get is the precise > meaning of 'baseline origin'. From where is this measured...the baseline > of the top line? Is this a matter of judgement by eye? According to the manual baseline origin is measured from the top of the page, presumably to the first line of the grid. However, I find it easiest to fill a page with text, lock to baseline grid and then adjust the baseline origin visually (in Misc.Preferences). The baseline grid is a document relative feature. You switch it on or off by reference to the Format text dialogue box. You can simply do this to any selected text, or as part of a style definition - see the forthcoming October issue of Acorn Publisher for more information on this subject. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 13:45:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134423 for opro ; Fri, 29 Sep 100 13:45:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970207537:10:18008:14; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:05:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124507; 29 Sep 2000 6:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15920 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:03:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA15917 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:03:16 +0100 Received: from usereb78.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13etF1-0006yo-00; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:01:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:35:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Mini enquiry Message-ID: <4a053d6cb2richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a052a2c07Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <3119bb04a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> <4a00e54fd6richard@4qd.co.u User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a052a2c07Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > On 28 Sep, Richard Torrens wrote: > > In article <4a00edb70bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > > John Cartmell wrote: > > > In article <4a00e54fd6richard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens > > > wrote: > > > [RSI] ... snipped .. > > But this gets way off topic! Nobody has suggested any way O-Pro can be > > made more RSI-resistant. Maybe we have a perfect program in that > > respect? > Speech recognition (!) No way. I'm qite certain that, if DP goes anywhere in this direction, it will be straight to a telepathic user interface, or TUI Now I wonder whether that's a software thing - or will it require extra hardware? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 13:45:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134427 for opro ; Fri, 29 Sep 100 13:45:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970219555:10:12895:18; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:25:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016416; 29 Sep 2000 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16519 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:22:07 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16516 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:22:05 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA23395 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:20:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:21:24 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Extracting text from multiple frames To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <002301c0293e$dffced20$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 28 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > I lost the original email, asking about a way to extract all the text from > a multi chapters/multi frames Ovation file. I think the same is true for > an Impression file. > > It isn't difficult. > > Print the doc to a PostScript file with the PostScript printer. Level 1 or > 2 doesn't matter. Make sure !GhostScr (GhostScript) has been seen by the > filer. Open a Taskwindow. Type the command: ps2ascii file>. After return of the * you have a textfile, containing all the text > of your document, ordered page by page and an empty line between the > content of every frame. > > The only extra character 'I' discovered, where a few [0c] at the end of > some frame contents. Easily to remove when you have to reorder the > paragraphs or using find/replace. > Very good, I will have to remember that one! Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 13:46:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134428 for opro ; Fri, 29 Sep 100 13:45:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970224156:10:14037:24; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:42:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104143; 29 Sep 2000 10:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16738 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:37:33 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16735 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:37:26 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust26.tnt16.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.126.26] with SMTP for id MAA13821 (8.8.8/1.19); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:35:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <008701c02a00$b06bdf40$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com> <4a048218dddarprint@btinternet.com> <0024 Subject: Re: Tab ruler Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:32:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Sep 2000, Roger Mayne wrote: > In article <002401c0293e$e0b0fae0$4d01a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > On Wed 27 Sep 2000, Roger Mayne wrote: > > > > > If I had to complain about O/Pro it would be in this area. This has to > > > be the most frustrating part of the application. That, along with the > > > inability for making a style from the effects at the cursor position. > > > I can't see much 'negative' difference in the way Ovation Pro behaves in > > the area of tabs related to Paublisher. > > > In OvPro you can set 'always visible' rulers using the > > View>Options>Rulers on for the default document, > > Not tab rulers, you can't. I think you are referring to page rulers. In > O/Pro page rulers have nothing to do with the setting of tabs, unlike > Publisher. You are correct, I confused the tab ruler for the default frame (no columns) with the page ruler. > > where Publisher offers that choice via the iconbar>menu>choices. > > > In Publisher you can switch between the style and the ruler with a > > button. In OvPro you use Control+Tab to edit the ruler/tabs. Sometimes > > the window covers the selected text, but this window can easily be > > moved. > > But the tab ruler cannot be moved. This is what covers the text. True. However I can't see the advantage in moving the tab ruler. It 'attachs' itself above the selected text, covering whatever there is already present (text, graphic or margin). Common in other DTP/Vector programs on another platform. I even like it. In Publisher the distance between the selected text and the tab ruler can be almost the height of the screen (without scrolling). Of course, this has nothing to do with instantly updating. I am in favour of that feature too. Regards, mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 21:38:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134454 for opro ; Fri, 29 Sep 100 21:38:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970252114:10:28077:16; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:28:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127316; 29 Sep 2000 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17802 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:20:22 +0100 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (ruin.servers.plus.net.uk [212.159.2.66]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17799 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:20:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 29294 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2000 18:21:25 -0000 Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 29 Sep 2000 18:21:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 29272 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2000 18:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.236) by warrior with SMTP; 29 Sep 2000 18:18:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:15:14 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Tab ruler To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 26 Sep, Roger Penniceard wrote: > Hi, > > I would guess this has probably been discussed before but I have never > seen it mentioned. Having nearly completely transferred from Impression > to OvationPro the only thing I find that drives me mad is the Tab > ruler. In Impression I highlight the area I want to operate on, drag > the tabs etc and can immediately see what is happening. In Ovation the > Tab ruler seems to always obscure what I want to look at so I can't see > what I am doing and I then have to click OK to see the effect. Am I > alone in thinking that this is more primitive than the Impression > system. Or is there some alternative method that I have not discovered. > > Roger > > Sorry to but into a wish list - but remember how RISCOS style compliant David's programs are! Click with Adjust on the OK button in the Tab settings dialogue box to get them actioned without closing the box, effectively a preview. As for the Tab ruler obscuring the text you are wanting to set tab positions for - the ruler appears directly above the position of the cursor at the start of the selection. So if you type a number of lines and then adjust click in the top one to select the Tab ruler will be above the last line. Make the selection the other way by putting the cursor in the top line and adjust click in the last line for the ruler to be above the top line and not abscure the text you are working with. The only refinement (but minor once you understand how it is working) would be to position the Tab ruler above the currently selected block of text instead of above the cursor position. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 22:50:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134466 for opro ; Fri, 29 Sep 100 22:50:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970261605:10:22799:14; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:06:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020549; 29 Sep 2000 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18323 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:04:54 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18320 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:04:51 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust95.tnt4.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.102.95] with SMTP for id XAA23939 (8.8.8/1.19); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:03:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <007b01c02a58$58f5db50$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: Tab ruler Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:00:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 28 Sep 2000, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 26 Sep, Roger Penniceard wrote: > > In Impression I highlight the area I want to operate on, drag > > the tabs etc and can immediately see what is happening. > > Sorry to but into a wish list - but remember how RISCOS style compliant > David's programs are! Click with Adjust on the OK button in the Tab settings > dialogue box to get them actioned without closing the box, effectively a > preview. Thanks for reminding. It solved my 'problem' eg. clicking ok with select followed by Control+TAB key presses. > > As for the Tab ruler obscuring the text you are wanting to set tab positions > for - the ruler appears directly above the position of the cursor at the > start of the selection. So if you type a number of lines and then adjust > click in the top one to select the Tab ruler will be above the last line. It never occurred to me to select text from the end to the beginning. It seems it saved me from trouble. > Make the selection the other way by putting the cursor in the top line and > adjust click in the last line for the ruler to be above the top line and not > abscure the text you are working with. > > The only refinement (but minor once you understand how it is working) would > be to position the Tab ruler above the currently selected block of text > instead of above the cursor position. Thanks, mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 30 01:32:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134472 for opro ; Sat, 30 Sep 100 01:32:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970264631:20:27887:16; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:57:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027713; 29 Sep 2000 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18459 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:56:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA18456 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:56:37 +0100 Received: from usereb50.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.31) [62.188.10.31] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13f87d-0007SC-00; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:55:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:48:02 +0100 Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <4a05d2e937steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134364@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134364@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <134364@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >point the temp file location to a point in the RAMDisc > Why not just give SparkFS more RAM? (assuming you mean the SparkFS > > temp file). SparkFS choices: "Temporary File" by default points to Correct me if I'm wrong, but if that is used it does it's temporary file work in the *disc* based swap file area, however if you point that to a RAM disc it works in memory... Yes? > David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 30 01:32:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134474 for opro ; Sat, 30 Sep 100 01:32:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970271036:11:20921:14; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:43:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120150; 29 Sep 2000 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18771 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:40:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA18768 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:40:26 +0100 Received: from usercb09.uk.uudial.com (bb57.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.150.176] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13f9k6-0005Io-00; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:39:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tom Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:41:23 +0100 Subject: Re: Grid baseline Message-ID: <4a05c750d6tomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004301c029e2$66940be0$3494a8c2@akalat> References: <4a0030c89btomc@argonet.co.uk> <001e01c0221e$bcf96c80$d194a8c2@akalat> <4a05502f06tomc@argonet.co.uk> <004301c029e2 User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 29 Sep, Mike Williams wrote: > According to the manual baseline origin is measured from the top of the > page, presumably to the first line of the grid. However, I find it > easiest to fill a page with text, lock to baseline grid and then adjust > the baseline origin visually (in Misc.Preferences). > The baseline grid is a document relative feature. You switch it on or > off by reference to the Format text dialogue box. You can simply do this > to any selected text, or as part of a style definition - see the > forthcoming October issue of Acorn Publisher for more information on > this subject. Got it. Thanks, Mike. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 30 13:49:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134485 for opro ; Sat, 30 Sep 100 13:49:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970274096:10:03885:16; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:34:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114720; 30 Sep 2000 0:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18945 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:34:20 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18942 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:34:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13fAaD-0005Ot-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:32:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:05:25 GMT Message-Id: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ovation Pro Upgrade CD This is now available, the following attempts to explain the intricacies. What do I get? -------------- Ovation Pro 2.60 featuring; Auto paragraph numbering and bulleting Impression document loader Referenced and Proxy pictures EPS support Graduated, patterned and hatched fills Revised and reformatted Reference and Script Manuals supplied on the CD as Ovation Pro documents 20 iSV font families (Note that Ovation Pro used to be supplied with EFF Fonts, so you are gaining some new fonts from the upgrade.) Comprehensive collection of Ovation Pro material - applets, dictionaries etc. Ovation Pro is not copy protected but is registered (it displays your name and serial number on start up). This makes such things as upgrades a lot easier. How much does it cost? ---------------------- If your copy of Ovation Pro has a serial number between 5000 and 5200 then you get the CD for free, and as long as your copy of the program is registered (i.e. I know your address) you need do no more. Your copy will be registered if either you sent in the registration card or if there was no registration card supplied with it. Otherwise you won't get the CD until the card is returned. A second class who get a free CD are those who have written applets and made other contributions to the program. If you don't qualify for the free CD then the cost is ukp 35. How do I get it? ---------------- If you qualify for a free copy, you need do no more. To buy a copy please supply * ukp 35 * the serial number of your old copy of Ovation Pro * the name and address it was originally registered at * your current address. Only orders with a correct serial number will be fulfilled. The serial number and original address are your proof of purchase. This saves messing about returning floppies, but they have to tally with the Beebug records. How do I find my serial number? ------------------------------- The best way is to look inside the front cover of your Ovation Pro reference manual, or on the registration card supplied with the program. You can also find it from the 'splash' screen displayed when Ovation Pro starts up, however this number is not definitive because it is entered by the user. What about site licences? ------------------------- There is no extra charge for upgrading site licence copies, however when ordering you must state that you have a site licence and provide the relevant details. When will I receive my CD? -------------------------- Initial availability will be poor. I can ship about 10 copies a day, and I have a commitment to about 200 free copies. I will give highest priority to shipping paid for copies. So if you don't get a copy and expect to, start complaining in November. In due course I would appreciate anyone with a missing copy letting me know about it. How can I pay? -------------- Send a cheque for ukp 35 drawn on a UK bank and made payable to; David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 30 13:49:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134491 for opro ; Sat, 30 Sep 100 13:49:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970302911:20:22292:14; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:35:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120861; 30 Sep 2000 8:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20283 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:33:16 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20280 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:33:14 +0100 Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13fI3i-0002TN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:31:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:27:10 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Sat 30 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD > > This is now available, the following attempts to explain the intricacies. > Great ! > > How can I pay? > -------------- > Send a cheque for ukp 35 drawn on a UK bank and made payable to; > David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > Will you be at Epsom ? It would be much easier for us foreigners to hand over the cash. I understand it won't be possible to take the CD with us, but that could be mailed just as would happen with the cheque-method. rgds nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz / RISC OS 4 at home! SOON ----> Carbase - all dutch 1999 cars on a RISCOS compatible CD ! mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 30 13:49:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134492 for opro ; Sat, 30 Sep 100 13:49:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970280855:11:00474:14; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:27:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100383; 30 Sep 2000 2:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19312 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:24:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19309 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:24:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13fCJ5-00088s-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:23:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:35:32 GMT Message-Id: <134477@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A proposal X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >SparkFS choices: "Temporary File" by default points to >Correct me if I'm wrong, but if that is used it does it's temporary file >work in the *disc* based swap file area, however if you point that to a RAM >disc it works in memory... Yes correct. But it only uses the scrap file if its RAM has run out (i.e. max mem slot, or no memory left). So its a bit like seting up your virtual memory swop file on RAM disc. I agree that things may be more complex like you have a reason for wanting the memory in RAM disc rather than floating around. However in general you could get the same result without a RAM disc, just give SparkFS enough memory in its max mem slot. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 30 16:16:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134518 for opro ; Sat, 30 Sep 100 16:16:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970325883:20:09119:15; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:58:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107761; 30 Sep 2000 14:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21075 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:56:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21072 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:56:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13fO2q-000NpG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:55:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:32:12 GMT Message-Id: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I won't be at Epsom. And given the cash raising nature of the exercise I've no plans to allow sales of the upgrade via dealers. However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those who need it. I have tried to negotiate a good deal but its not come to pass. As of now then you'd be looking at paying an extra 10% for the privilige. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message