From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 1 13:48:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127494 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jun 100 13:48:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959825428:10:06198:16; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 02:10:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105889; 1 Jun 2000 2:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01534 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 03:05:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01531 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 03:05:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12xKMS-000DOK-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 02:05:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:53:15 GMT Message-Id: <127486@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D and D printing prob X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I use Opro v2.58 all day and every day and like it very much except >It will not allow drag and drop printing. >The App crashes with an error 5 So can Alan Butler assume from the lack of any comments that no one else has such problems? Funnily enough rereading this now, it occurs to me that a type 5 error is easy enough to trap - and hence locate the cause of. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 1 13:48:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127497 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jun 100 13:48:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959844561:20:15483:16; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:29:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015438; 1 Jun 2000 7:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02186 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:27:44 +0100 Received: from teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com (teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com [139.134.5.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02183 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:27:41 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id aa139828 for MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Urban Promotions, Melbourne. Ph.:03 9355 7959/Fax03 9355 7980 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAA02184 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAB02186 Status: R Yes, It seems to me I am the only one in the world that is having printin= g problems with OPro. D and D printing with OPro is impossible on my machine "Style files No Problem" Even when I create a PS =9Ele I have to SET TYPE the =9Ele from a DATA Fi= le=20 to a PS =9Ele Also I can not get BACKGROUND to remain ticked in the CHOICES I have saved every thing I can find but it will not remain selected Yes, I have re installed --=20 Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, 1/362 Bell St Pascoe Vale St Vic Aust. 3044, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 1 13:48:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127500 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jun 100 13:48:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959842342:10:04659:18; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 06:52:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004510; 1 Jun 2000 6:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02062 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:49:23 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA02059 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:49:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 22858 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2000 06:49:20 -0000 Received: from usercd65.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.151.176) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2000 06:49:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:42:41 +0100 Subject: Re: D and D printing prob Message-ID: <49c7b3b5fbdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <127486@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127486@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <127486@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I use Opro v2.58 all day and every day and like it very much except > >It will not allow drag and drop printing. > >The App crashes with an error 5 > So can Alan Butler assume from the lack of any comments that no one else > has such problems? > Funnily enough rereading this now, it occurs to me that a type 5 > error is easy enough to trap - and hence locate the cause of. > David Pilling Erm! well as a test I've just dragged and dropped a document out of OvPro (v2.58) on to my Printer Icon (HPLJ5P), it printed okay without messing up anything. ;-) Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 1 13:48:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127504 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jun 100 13:48:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959849387:10:13673:18; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:49:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013281; 1 Jun 2000 8:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02471 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:47:07 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02468 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:47:05 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12xQd7-00088R-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:47:05 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28070 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:47:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 09:47:47 +0100 Subject: Re: D and D printing prob Message-ID: <49c7bf2a1aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c7b3b5fbdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <127486@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c7b3b5fbdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c7b3b5fbdfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <127486@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >I use Opro v2.58 all day and every day and like it very much > > >except It will not allow drag and drop printing. The App > > >crashes with an error 5 > > So can Alan Butler assume from the lack of any comments that no > > one else has such problems? > > Funnily enough rereading this now, it occurs to me that a type 5 > > error is easy enough to trap - and hence locate the cause of. > Erm! well as a test I've just dragged and dropped a document out of > OvPro (v2.58) on to my Printer Icon (HPLJ5P), it printed okay > without messing up anything. ;-) I have just tried dragging and dropping an OvPro file from the filer to the printer icon. Went fine. Using OP 2.58 + ROS 4.02 + Printers 1.64 printing postscript to a file. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 1 19:02:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127530 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jun 100 19:02:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959877029:10:29405:56; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:30:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111824; 1 Jun 2000 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03464 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:20:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03461 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:20:08 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([158.152.5.49] helo=worthy) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12xXhX-0001Ei-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:20:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:19:10 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Queries/ideas Message-ID: <7d7de8c749%tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Having played with the OP 2.56 demo for a few days (and persuaded work to buy a license) I have a few queries/suggestions. Apologies if some have solutions or I have missed how to do something; 1 Why does rotating a frame rotate the graphics content but skew only does the frame, you then need to do the graphic separately. 2 Could pasting a object show the frame outline like dragging does ? - especially handy for odd shaped frames. 2a A related one, could a "paste to old position on new page" be possible - handy when moving whole pages around (yes, I guess you can do it by insert/remove page which Impression didn't sensibly do) 2c Could frames be dragged across page boundaries - I'm sure something I've played with had this feature (TextEase?) 3 Shouldn't "Cancel" on a dbox revert to previous settings - open dbox/make changes with adjust on OK then click Cancel to discard changes; I know you can undo but the above seems more correct - effectively a 1 step automatic undo. 4 Can an action be tied to an adjust click on a toolbar button (found mention of this in back catalogue of mailling list but can't remember an answer/solution). 5 Can the Info pane be embedded in the toolpane - not just position there as it doesn't get clipped when window is reduced (also have no border so looks like part of toolpane). 6 Can the tab bar be made permanent on frame containing caret ? (Though I've probably missed some magic intelligence in the way it currently works - e.g. I only just noticed it can place itself at start of a paragraph rather than page/frame.) Again apologies if I've missed something - it's amazing what it can do compared with Style/Publisher and MS Publisher which I just had a play with. Presumably OP is nearer Quark the MS Publisher ? -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 1 21:36:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127549 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jun 100 21:36:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959885207:11:25316:18; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:46:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124546; 1 Jun 2000 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03811 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:43:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03808 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:43:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12xZwQ-000Gf7-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:43:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:35:03 GMT Message-Id: <127547@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Queries/ideas X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1 Why does rotating a frame rotate the graphics content but skew only does the >frame, you then need to do the graphic separately. Well it seemed logical at the time. Skew is a rarely used effect. >2 Could pasting a object show the frame outline like dragging does ? - >especially handy for odd shaped frames. Could do, and that would be a good improvement. >2a A related one, could a "paste to old position on new page" be >possible I suppose so. About the only argument against is that there would have to be some way of telling OPro to do this, which would either get in the way or which no one would remember. >2c Could frames be dragged across page boundaries - I'm sure something >I've played with had this feature (TextEase?) You can drag and drop frames, within documents (i.e. over page boundaries) or from one doc to another. And if you do this (cf paste above) the outline is displayed. Just hold down Alt when you start dragging the object around. >3 Shouldn't "Cancel" on a dbox revert to previous settings I don't know. I assume that the current set up is what the style guide says. >4 Can an action be tied to an adjust click on a toolbar button Yes. But only from 2.58 when buttons were extended to allow them to accept different clicks, and to display changeable text. >5 Can the Info pane be embedded in the toolpane No. >6 Can the tab bar be made permanent on frame containing caret? No. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 1 21:37:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127556 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jun 100 21:37:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959886841:10:10414:17; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:14:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010086; 1 Jun 2000 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03942 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:07:34 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03939 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:07:32 +0100 Received: from userej11.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.22) [62.188.13.22] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12xaJX-0000PK-00; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:07:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:02:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Wordworks applet Message-ID: <49c7f766a7davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c73f3069rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <49c632fb34davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c73f3069rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <49c73f3069rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > Which is not a lot of use when typing in corrections as it is more usual > to highlight the word and type the amendment followed by a space. > Is there a simple way to correct this please? This was added so that replace in WordWorks replaces the word correctly. It can be turned off by setting this line: int adj_dbl = 1; // Set to 0 to not adjust dbl click area Change the 1 to a 0 to stop the area being expanded. > Also, if I turn the applet off, double clicking a word throws up an > error message. If you mean disabling the applet (double click on the application) then this appears to be OK at my end. What sort of error are you getting? David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 1 23:20:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127572 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jun 100 23:20:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959896481:20:28345:18; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:54:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027975; 1 Jun 2000 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04427 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:51:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04227 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:25:57 +0100 Received: from userev23.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.206) [62.188.17.206] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12xbXQ-00034r-00; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:25:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr J W Lupton) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:22:29 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Queries/ideas Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 1 Jun 2000 (17:19:10 +0100), tim@worthy.demon.co.uk wrote:> Hav= ing played with the OP 2.56 demo for a few days (and persuaded work> to= buy a license) I have a few queries/suggestions.> snip>> 3= Shouldn't "Cancel" on a dbox revert to previous settings - open> dbox/= make changes with adjust on OK then click Cancel to discard> changes; I= know you can undo but the above seems more correct -> effectively a 1 = step automatic undo.Hi Tim. I fear I may be rushing in where angel= s (the rest of you!) fear to tread, but I think the way dboxes work at the = moment is probably correct. If you think about, adjust on OK is the same a= s select on OK, but keeps the dbox open. If I'd clicked select, then reope= ned the dbox, I wouldn't expect cancel to undo the last change I made... so= why should I expect it to do so when I've "committed" the changes with adj= ust-click?Having said that, there is = a nice feature (just one!) in some of the $oftware from they-who-must-never= -be-named ;) - in many circumstances there is a "preview" button as well as= OK and Cancel - this allows you to see the effect of what you've just done= without committing it (ie Cancel still cancels!). Maybe, just may= be...??Jonathan L-- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _________= ____________________________________|__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | /|= || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines<= nl>___________________________/ jwlupton@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 1 23:20:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127573 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jun 100 23:20:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959896815:20:05304:16; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:00:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005239; 1 Jun 2000 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04422 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:51:33 +0100 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03857 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:48:11 +0100 Received: from modem-25.americium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.67.25] helo=loopback) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12xa0l-0008Dw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:48:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:33:08 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Queries/ideas Message-ID: <40c1f4c749%snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7d7de8c749%tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (03 Mar 2000) [TEST 2], ZapEmail 0.25 (28 Feb 2000) test-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <7d7de8c749%tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> Tim Howarth wrote: [snip] > 3 Shouldn't "Cancel" on a dbox revert to previous settings - open > dbox/make changes with adjust on OK then click Cancel to discard > changes; I know you can undo but the above seems more correct - > effectively a 1 step automatic undo. That doesn't sound right. When you click on OK you are saying "Yes, this is how I want it". Thus there is no expectation that clicking on Cancel will undo the changes. You've already said you want them. Cancel should undo any changes made since the last OK/Cancel. -- (\/)atthew Hambley ----------------\ "You'd better hope there's intelligent \ life somewhere out in space because snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk \ there's bugger all down here on http://www.therealm.freeserve.co.uk/ \ Earth" - The Galaxy Song, M. Python -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 2 01:29:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127574 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jun 100 01:29:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959902497:11:03636:48; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:34:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021152; 1 Jun 2000 23:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04828 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:32:24 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04825 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:32:23 +0100 Received: from p49s06a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.230.74] helo=p49s06a07) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12xeT3-0005xS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:33:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 00:24:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks applet Message-ID: <49c80f7764rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c7f766a7davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <49c632fb34davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c73f3069rayd@argonet.co.uk> <49c7f766a7davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c7f766a7davidb@argonet.co.uk>, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article <49c73f3069rayd@argonet.co.uk>, > Ray Dawson wrote: > > Which is not a lot of use when typing in corrections as it is more > > usual to highlight the word and type the amendment followed by a > > space. > > Is there a simple way to correct this please? > This was added so that replace in WordWorks replaces the word correctly. > It can be turned off by setting this line: > int adj_dbl = 1; // Set to 0 to not adjust dbl click area > Change the 1 to a 0 to stop the area being expanded. But that makes the word only highlighted, and not the space /after/ it. It would be better if !WordWks didn't alter the way that Ovation Pro highlights, whether it is on or off, ie it does exactly what OP does normally and highlight word + following space. Which means that the applet has to be intelligent enough to highlight the word and space after, but replace the word and space before. IYSWIM. The problem of course is !Wordworks itself which highlights the word + preceding space. > > Also, if I turn the applet off, double clicking a word throws up an > > error message. > If you mean disabling the applet (double click on the application) then > this appears to be OK at my end. What sort of error are you getting? If you click on !WordWrks to turn it off, and then go and double click on a word in Ovation Pro, you get an error message '... !WordWrks.BASICFile not found'. If you then quit and reboot OP, the message doesn't come back. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 2 13:48:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127581 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jun 100 13:48:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959912584:20:29320:18; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:23:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029065; 2 Jun 2000 2:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05276 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:20:47 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05273 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:20:45 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12xh4m-000CwL-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:20:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:57:39 GMT Message-Id: <127579@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D and D printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Even when I create a PS File I have to SET TYPE the File from a DATA File >to a PS File I don't think that (at least) is an OPro problem. In my experience the printer drivers only set type the output file on start up. >Also I can not get BACKGROUND to remain ticked in the CHOICES You can at least check if this is being set. If you open the file !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Choices Then look at; printchoices(1,8505,250,200000); The 1 ^^^ means background print mode is set, if it is zero then it is not set. And the value in this file should change when you change the choices setting and save choices (from OPro). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 2 13:48:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127582 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jun 100 13:48:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959919590:11:12787:16; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 04:19:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112443; 2 Jun 2000 4:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05584 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:17:08 +0100 Received: from teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com (teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com [139.134.5.197]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA05581 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:17:05 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id sa369478 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, Melbourne. Ph.:03 9355 7959/Fax03 9355 7980 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 02 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >Also I can not get BACKGROUND to remain ticked in the CHOICES > > You can at least check if this is being set. If you open the file > > !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Choices > > Then look at; > > printchoices(1,8505,250,200000); > > The 1 ^^^ means background print mode is set, if it is zero > then it is not set. And the value in this file should change when > you change the choices setting and save choices (from OPro). Here is my choices file It is slightly different to the one you mention Thank you once again Without sounding like I am repeating myself These problems only occur when using OPro Sorry I still love the rest of it > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, 1/362 Bell St Pascoe Vale St Vic Aust. 3044, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. # *** MIME-format mode disabled by user *** # # The following data is packaged using uuencode # You can decode this message using ANT !Marcel, or by hand # Created using the !Marcel mail package from ANT Ltd (sales@ant.co.uk) # begin 644 !Choices,b24 M+R\M/B%#:&]I8V5S"B\O(%!R;V1U8V5D(&)Y($]V871I;VY02 R,# P"B\O"B\O"@H*=F]I9"!M86EN*'9O:60I"GL*y M<')I;G1C:&]I8V5S*#$L.#4P,RPR-34L,C P,# P*3L*<')I;G1C:&]I8V5Sx M,B@Q-BPP+# L,"D["G!R:6YT8VAO:6-E; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:37:12 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12xmx5-000Jwm-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:37:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:28:35 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wordworks applet Message-ID: <2e3e41c849.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <49c632fb34davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c73f3069rayd@argonet.co.uk> <49c7f766a7davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c80f7764rayd@ar In-Reply-To: <49c80f7764rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Ray Dawson wrote: > If you click on !WordWrks to turn it off, and then go and double click on a > word in Ovation Pro, you get an error message '... !WordWrks.BASICFile not > found'. > > If you then quit and reboot OP, the message doesn't come back. Whenever you activate or deactivate an applet, you have to rerun OvPro. In this example, the reason is obvious - the file that was !WordWrks.BASICFile is now !WordWrks-.BASICFile and so OvPro can't find it. However, doing this while OvPro is running can (IIRC) have some more serious consequences, so don't do it :-) HTH, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 2 13:48:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127586 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jun 100 13:48:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959935345:10:27201:19; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 08:42:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027142; 2 Jun 2000 8:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06418 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:37:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06415 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:37:10 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12xmx3-000Jwm-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:37:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:32:13 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Queries/ideas Message-ID: <2d9341c849.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Mr J W Lupton wrote: Some terribly formatted stuff - why are you posting RTF to a mailing list? Use plain text, so that people can read it! Anyway, on with the reply: > Having said that, there is a nice feature > (just one!) in some of the $oft> ware from they-who-must-never-be-named ;) > - in many circumstances there is a "preview" button as well as OK and > Cancel - this allows you to see the effect of what you've just done without > committing it (ie Cancel still cancels!) Why not just do it the easy way - select OK and then F8 (undo) if you don't like it? John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 2 13:49:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127589 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jun 100 13:49:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959938394:10:19959:16; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:33:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019766; 2 Jun 2000 9:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06840 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:30:21 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06837 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:30:19 +0100 Received: from [195.102.196.21] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12xnmJ-0004nF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:30:08 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:14:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:14:10 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Queries/ideas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4d9741c849%tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tim Howarth wrote: >trying to position a multiple selection of frames back where > they were isn't easy. > The usual workaround is: select all the objects you want (it's often easiest to drag a selection box around them) Group objects (unless you are feeling brave) Note the x/y poistion of the group in the bottom bar Copy/Cut Paste group to new position. If necessary reset x/y by typing in the position to the bottom bar. Ungroup again if you want Where you have a complex set of frames this is probably the best way of doing things. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 2 13:49:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127594 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jun 100 13:49:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959934159:20:03677:57; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 08:22:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104000; 2 Jun 2000 8:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06104 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:18:07 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06101 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:18:05 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA27125 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:18:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:19:35 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Queries/ideas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <127547@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 01 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >2c Could frames be dragged across page boundaries - I'm sure something > >I've played with had this feature (TextEase?) > > You can drag and drop frames, within documents (i.e. over page boundaries) > or from one doc to another. And if you do this (cf paste above) the outline > is displayed. Just hold down Alt when you start dragging the object around. > That's marvellous. I didn't know about that. > > >3 Shouldn't "Cancel" on a dbox revert to previous settings > > I don't know. I assume that the current set up is what the style guide > says. > Surely it's correct as it is. Right click is the same as Left click except the box remains on screen. The action is implemented as soon as OK is clicked (R or L). Regards Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.agius.com/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 2 13:50:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127597 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jun 100 13:50:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959935078:20:07624:27; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 08:37:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115415; 2 Jun 2000 8:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06339 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:33:43 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (qmailr@[212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06332 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:33:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 30540 invoked by uid 101); 2 Jun 2000 08:11:01 -0000 Received: from user11.jakinternet.co.uk (HELO worthy) (212.41.32.11) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 08:11:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:32:23 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Queries/ideas Message-ID: <4d9741c849%tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <127547@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <127547@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > but skew only does the frame, > > Well it seemed logical at the time. Skew is a rarely used effect. Ageed (not likely to use) it's just that playing with OP as a newcomer, trying all features under the sun it struck me as odd. > >2 Could pasting a object show the frame outline like dragging does ? - > > Could do, and that would be a good improvement. Presumably you can just reuse the drag an object code. (I'm sure I've come across something in which an adjust click whilst dragging pastes a copy and drag continues - only really meaningful for frame drags not text/graphic in frame.) > >2a A related one, could a "paste to old position on new page" be > >possible > > I suppose so. About the only argument against is that there would have > to be some way of telling OPro to do this, which would either get in > the way or which no one would remember. Yes I wondered how to implement, would need new page selected and a modifier on ctrl V - does ctr-shift-V do anything? or easier, just a function which can be tied to a menu-entry/button. It's actually not as important for OP to do this, it's just one of the limitations of Impression which annoyed me. I have many school booklets which are updated annually, often someone will say can we insert a new section here (I tend to use embedded frames as much as poss you make this easy) but with Imp when you say insert page text does not flow in/out of the new page hence you really have to insert new page at end and hand move all non embedded frames. (I'm sure I once found a workaround but I can't remember what it is.) Though I suppose it would still allow a page to be moved around easier - trying to position a multiple selection of frames back where they were isn't easy. > You can drag and drop frames, within documents (i.e. over page boundaries) > or from one doc to another. And if you do this (cf paste above) the outline > is displayed. Just hold down Alt when you start dragging the object around. Ah thanks; silly question, why not alt behaviour by default ? > >3 Shouldn't "Cancel" on a dbox revert to previous settings > > I don't know. I assume that the current set up is what the style guide says. Can't find it in the style guide, it explains what an action button does and that you have a cancel button but not what cancel does. A straw poll of apps and OP seems to be in majority camp - it's another of those Impression things. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 2 18:14:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127613 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jun 100 18:14:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959961991:20:06932:83; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:06:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2006901; 2 Jun 2000 16:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07658 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:01:19 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07655 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:01:17 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30308 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:01:05 +0200 Message-Id: <200006021601.SAA30308@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 02 Jun 2000 14:48:26 GMT Subject: Re: Wordworks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >Yes this will work, but a point to note. >Some people have !CCShared inside !Boot.Resources.!System. >To have David's modifications work !CCShared needs to be in !Boot.Resources > But beware ! I do remember dimly that some directory inside !CCShared was sensitive regarding its time-stamp. Something like "date later than Jun '96" and Imp copy-protection would complain. Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 2 19:20:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127619 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jun 100 19:20:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959966234:20:22024:16; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 17:17:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101611; 2 Jun 2000 17:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07877 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:14:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07874 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:14:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12xv28-000DkW-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:14:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:02:29 GMT Message-Id: <127608@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D and D printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >Here is my choices file >It is slightly different to the one you mention True but, one gathers from >printchoices(1,8503,255,200000); ^^^ That you do have background set in OPro choices. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 2 23:03:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127630 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jun 100 23:02:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959981188:20:04078:16; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 21:26:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124492; 2 Jun 2000 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08528 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 22:24:07 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08525 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 22:24:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 2392 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2000 21:24:02 -0000 Received: from usercl61.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.154.202) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 21:24:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 20:56:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49c88038eedfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <200006021601.SAA30308@widukind.bi.teuto.net> References: <200006021601.SAA30308@widukind.bi.teuto.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <200006021601.SAA30308@widukind.bi.teuto.net>, Martin Vethake wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: > [snip] > >Yes this will work, but a point to note. Some people have !CCShared > >inside !Boot.Resources.!System. To have David's modifications work > >!CCShared needs to be in !Boot.Resources > > > But beware ! I do remember dimly that some directory inside !CCShared > was sensitive regarding its time-stamp. Something like "date later than > Jun '96" and Imp copy-protection would complain. > Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Oh! This is a new one on me. :-) The only copy-protection I've encountered with the CC stuff I have, is in the (particular) "Apps.Resources.Control" file. I moved !CCshared into !Boot.Resources years ago as I've already posted, without problems. I've reinstalled Publisher and Style a few times in the interim, when I've upgraded variously... Still no problems, and that includes SA upgrade in 96 and RO4 a bit more recently. Oh yes...that also means the whole !Boot directory has variously been moved from disk to disk and back again... Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 3 02:10:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127633 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jun 100 02:10:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959983709:20:26821:19; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 22:08:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026670; 2 Jun 2000 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08699 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:06:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08696 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:06:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12xzaU-0009Cw-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 22:06:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 23:04:03 GMT Message-Id: <127631@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wordworks X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> But beware ! I do remember dimly that some directory inside !CCShared >> was sensitive regarding its time-stamp. Something like "date later than >> Jun '96" and Imp copy-protection would complain. >Oh! This is a new one on me. :-) Its something like the time stamp on !System, and there is in the usual PD sources a small program which lets you save the time stamp and restore it. Otherwise a simple operation like copying all your stuff to another HD will make the copy protection kick in. That didn't happen with the latest Impression I have, so I guess they did remove it eventually. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 3 02:10:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127634 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jun 100 02:10:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959985226:10:09462:16; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 22:33:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112773; 2 Jun 2000 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08808 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:29:54 +0100 Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08805 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:29:53 +0100 Received: from peds03a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.227.238] helo=peds03a07) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12xzwv-0001kE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:29:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 23:27:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49c88e1742rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <127631@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127631@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <127631@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> But beware ! I do remember dimly that some directory inside > >> !CCShared was sensitive regarding its time-stamp. Something like > >> "date later than Jun '96" and Imp copy-protection would complain. > >Oh! This is a new one on me. :-) > > Its something like the time stamp on !System, and there is in the usual > PD sources a small program which lets you save the time stamp and > restore it. > Otherwise a simple operation like copying all your stuff to another HD > will make the copy protection kick in. > That didn't happen with the latest Impression I have, so I guess they > did remove it eventually. When they got rid of the dongle they removed the timestamp dependancy, but added a small file called CMYKPAL, (which masquerades as a palette file) inside !System. As long as that stays there, Publisher will run without reinstalling. You can even copy it between discs. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 3 02:10:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127638 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jun 100 02:10:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959993296:20:13678:17; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 00:48:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115722; 3 Jun 2000 0:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09180 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:44:13 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09177 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:44:10 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-41.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.107]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26430 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:41:22 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:01:58 +1200 Subject: Re: Queries/ideas Message-ID: <49c823570ftim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <127547@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127547@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <127547@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >2a A related one, could a "paste to old position on new page" be > >possible > I suppose so. About the only argument against is that there would > have to be some way of telling OPro to do this, which would either > get in the way or which no one would remember. In a technical way, or a user way, do you mean. I'd like this feature - use it in Artworks all the time. Makes it much quicker than reading off and copying the co-ords from the info box. Paste is a universal Ctrl-V & AW's uses Shft/ctrl-V for pasting at the same pg position. How often do I ever use reVerse? So seldom I had to look up the keypress. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 3 13:54:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127650 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jun 100 13:54:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959998414:10:14688:16; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 02:13:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108399; 3 Jun 2000 2:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09470 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 03:09:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09467 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 03:09:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12y3NA-000JRX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 02:09:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 02:30:42 GMT Message-Id: <127646@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Queries/ideas X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I suppose so. About the only argument against is that there would >> have to be some way of telling OPro to do this, which would either >> get in the way or which no one would remember. >In a technical way, or a user way, do you mean. In a user way. >I'd like this feature - use it in Artworks all the time. I've been pursuaded by the fact AW uses it. >Ctrl-V & AW's uses Shft/ctrl-V for pasting at the same pg position. >How often do I ever use reVerse? So seldom I had to look up the keypress. Pity I would have liked to use the same press as AW. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 3 13:55:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127654 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jun 100 13:54:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960022932:10:02404:16; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 09:02:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1100837; 3 Jun 2000 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10455 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 09:55:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10452 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 09:54:59 +0100 Received: from userc993.uk.uudial.com (194.69.109.197) [194.69.109.197] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12y9hq-0005rX-00; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 09:54:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:32:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Wordworks applet Message-ID: <49c86d854bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c80f7764rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <49c632fb34davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c73f3069rayd@argonet.co.uk> <49c7f766a7davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c80f7764rayd@ar User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c80f7764rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > If you click on !WordWrks to turn it off, and then go and double click on > a word in Ovation Pro, you get an error message '... !WordWrks.BASICFile > not found'. > If you then quit and reboot OP, the message doesn't come back. Don't deactivate applets whilst OP is running - this could end in tears with some applets. I'll look at adding a on/off switch within the applet activated by a button or something. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 3 13:55:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127653 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jun 100 13:54:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960006559:20:29316:18; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 04:29:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103290; 3 Jun 2000 4:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09777 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 05:27:11 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09774 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 05:27:07 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-06.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.72]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04738 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:24:25 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:56:49 +1200 Subject: Re: Queries/ideas Message-ID: <49c8ac3268tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <127646@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127646@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <127646@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [paste to orig page co-ords] > I've been pursuaded by the fact AW uses it. Great >> Ctrl-V & AW's uses Shft/ctrl-V for pasting at the same pg position. >> How often do I ever use reVerse? So seldom I had to look up the >> keypress. > Pity I would have liked to use the same press as AW. But I can, yeah? Set it as a macro to override the default setting. Like I say, I've never used S/C-V to reverse text, and probably never will. tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 3 13:55:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127656 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jun 100 13:55:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960011755:20:28373:16; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 05:55:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028152; 3 Jun 2000 5:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10052 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 06:50:53 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA10049 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 06:50:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 23994 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2000 05:57:20 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 3 Jun 2000 05:57:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 12495 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2000 05:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.185) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 3 Jun 2000 05:50:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:45:27 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Queries/ideas To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 02 Jun, David Graddol wrote: > Tim Howarth wrote: > > >trying to position a multiple selection of frames back where > > they were isn't easy. > > > > The usual workaround is: > > select all the objects you want (it's often easiest to drag a > selection box around them) > > Group objects (unless you are feeling brave) > > Note the x/y poistion of the group in the bottom bar > > Copy/Cut > > Paste group to new position. If necessary reset x/y by typing in > the position to the bottom bar. > > Ungroup again if you want > > Where you have a complex set of frames this is probably the best > way of doing things. > > David > I just wrote something similar then saw this one so binned my own version. Can I just add that once you change the values in the Info Palette the Enter key applies them. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 3 13:55:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127658 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jun 100 13:55:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960022716:20:02722:20; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 08:58:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002326; 3 Jun 2000 8:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10462 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 09:55:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10459 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 09:55:03 +0100 Received: from userc993.uk.uudial.com (194.69.109.197) [194.69.109.197] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12y9ht-0005rX-00; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 09:55:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:44:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Wordworks applet Message-ID: <49c86ea190davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c80f7764rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <49c632fb34davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c73f3069rayd@argonet.co.uk> <49c7f766a7davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c80f7764rayd@ar User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c80f7764rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > But that makes the word only highlighted, and not the space /after/ it. > It would be better if !WordWks didn't alter the way that Ovation Pro > highlights, whether it is on or off, ie it does exactly what OP does > normally and highlight word + following space. > Which means that the applet has to be intelligent enough to highlight the > word and space after, but replace the word and space before. IYSWIM. > The problem of course is !Wordworks itself which highlights the word + > preceding space. !WordWorks (the CC bit) types the replace word into OP - the control at this point is not within !WrdWorks (the applet). The applet does not therefore do any of the replacing. You can see this if you double click, move the cursor and press replace in !WordWorks - the text gets inserted at the cursor. It is not possible within an applet to test the source of a key press. !WordWorks->Impression uses a message to transfer the whole text in one hit but this is only broadcast to Impression (and even if it wasn't I don't think OP applets can respond to arbitary Wimp Messages) You could change the 0x4 click type (dble-click select) to 0x1 (dble click adjust), although this does feel a little odd. I'm afraid thre is no easy answer to this one David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 5 16:46:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127719 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jun 100 16:46:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960217080:20:19812:21; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 14:58:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100214; 5 Jun 2000 14:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16721 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:46:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16718 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:45:57 +0100 Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12yy8X-000Lmm-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:45:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 19:06:12 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <2ef6f9c849.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> References: <127631@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c88e1742rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c88e1742rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Nature User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49c88e1742rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <127631@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > >> But beware ! I do remember dimly that some directory inside > > >> !CCShared was sensitive regarding its time-stamp. Something like > > >> "date later than Jun '96" and Imp copy-protection would complain. > > >Oh! This is a new one on me. :-) > > > > Its something like the time stamp on !System, and there is in the usual > > PD sources a small program which lets you save the time stamp and > > restore it. > > > Otherwise a simple operation like copying all your stuff to another HD > > will make the copy protection kick in. > > > That didn't happen with the latest Impression I have, so I guess they > > did remove it eventually. > > When they got rid of the dongle they removed the timestamp dependancy, > but added a small file called CMYKPAL, (which masquerades as a palette > file) inside !System. As long as that stays there, Publisher will run > without reinstalling. You can even copy it between discs. > just installed a new SCSI HD and copied !Boot and IP 4.09 to it, moved !CCShared out of !System, put CMYKPAL in SCSI::Library Booting from SCSI seems to work fine, as long as IP finds CMYKPAL cheers Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 5 22:23:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127726 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jun 100 22:23:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960221743:20:05862:18; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:15:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005769; 5 Jun 2000 16:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16827 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:16:47 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16824 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:16:45 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12yycL-0007PN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:16:41 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA16028 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:16:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:17:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49c9f22b22C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <2ef6f9c849.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> References: <127631@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c88e1742rayd@argonet.co.uk> <2ef6f9c849.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <2ef6f9c849.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk>, Jon Keates wrote: > In message <49c88e1742rayd@argonet.co.uk> > Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > When they got rid of the dongle they removed the timestamp > > dependancy, but added a small file called CMYKPAL, (which > > masquerades as a palette file) inside !System. As long as that > > stays there, Publisher will run without reinstalling. You can > > even copy it between discs. > > > just installed a new SCSI HD and copied !Boot and IP 4.09 to it, > moved !CCShared out of !System, put CMYKPAL in SCSI::Library > Booting from SCSI seems to work fine, as long as IP finds CMYKPAL Interesting - I have IP 4.13 and there is absolutely no sign of CMYKPAL anywhere in !System or !CCShared. However, I have moved IP around onto several new discs or reformatted discs (F+) and never had to reinstall. !CCShared just sits in Boot:Resources, and gets copied from disc to disc with the whole boot application. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 5 22:23:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127727 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jun 100 22:23:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960230906:10:03598:17; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:48:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112312; 5 Jun 2000 18:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17354 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:45:17 +0100 Received: from sand6.global.net.uk (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17351 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:45:15 +0100 Received: from p7cs03a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.227.125] helo=p7cs03a07) by sand6.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12z1u2-0003W8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:47:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:50:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49ca003bffrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c9f22b22C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <127631@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c88e1742rayd@argonet.co.uk> <2ef6f9c849.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> <49c9f22b22C User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c9f22b22C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > > > When they got rid of the dongle they removed the timestamp > > > dependancy, but added a small file called CMYKPAL, (which > > > masquerades as a palette file) inside !System. As long as that > > > stays there, Publisher will run without reinstalling. You can > > > even copy it between discs. > > > > > just installed a new SCSI HD and copied !Boot and IP 4.09 to it, > > moved !CCShared out of !System, put CMYKPAL in SCSI::Library > > Booting from SCSI seems to work fine, as long as IP finds CMYKPAL > Interesting - I have IP 4.13 and there is absolutely no sign of > CMYKPAL anywhere in !System or !CCShared. However, I have moved IP > around onto several new discs or reformatted discs (F+) and never had > to reinstall. !CCShared just sits in Boot:Resources, and gets copied > from disc to disc with the whole boot application. I've got 4.11 here, and if I remove CMYKPAL it won't load and says it wasn't installed on that disc. If I put CMYKPAL back, then Publisher is happy and loads. Perhaps they changed it again in 4.13. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 5 22:23:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127731 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jun 100 22:23:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960234298:10:09193:17; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:44:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121094; 5 Jun 2000 19:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17595 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:43:01 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17592 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:42:59 +0100 Received: from modem-12.singapore-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.220.12] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12z2m2-0003ST-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:42:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:44:31 +0100 Subject: Re: D and D printing prob Message-ID: <49c9f4a96dfrank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <49c7bf2a1aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <127486@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c7b3b5fbdfs@ukgateway.net> <49c7bf2a1aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <49c7bf2a1aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <49c7b3b5fbdfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > wrote: > > In article <127486@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > > wrote: > > > >I use Opro v2.58 all day and every day and like it very much > > > >except It will not allow drag and drop printing. The App > > > >crashes with an error 5 > > > So can Alan Butler assume from the lack of any comments that no > > > one else has such problems? > > > Funnily enough rereading this now, it occurs to me that a type > > > 5 error is easy enough to trap - and hence locate the cause of. > > Erm! well as a test I've just dragged and dropped a document out > > of OvPro (v2.58) on to my Printer Icon (HPLJ5P), it printed okay > > without messing up anything. ;-) > I have just tried dragging and dropping an OvPro file from the > filer to the printer icon. Went fine. Using OP 2.58 + ROS 4.02 + > Printers 1.64 printing postscript to a file. On the other hand, I just suffered a type=5 failure dragging a letter produced with 2.58 from its filer directory to a !Printers 1.62 iconbar icon which prints to a file intended to subsequently print on a Canon BJC-7100. This not something I normally do. So, Allan Butler appears to have found something which at least he needs curing. Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 2.02b on RPC, SA, OS 4.02, OPro 2.58. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 5 22:23:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127733 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jun 100 22:23:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960238794:11:03562:17; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:59:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016861; 5 Jun 2000 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17831 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:52:52 +0100 Received: from sand6.global.net.uk (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17828 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:52:50 +0100 Received: from p20s02a01.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.130.33] helo=loopback) by sand6.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12z3tV-0006MX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:54:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:27:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49ca0e9445dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49ca003bffrayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <127631@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c88e1742rayd@argonet.co.uk> <2ef6f9c849.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> <49c9f22b22C User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49ca003bffrayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: [Snip] > I've got 4.11 here, and if I remove CMYKPAL it won't load and says it > wasn't installed on that disc. If I put CMYKPAL back, then Publisher is > happy and loads. > Perhaps they changed it again in 4.13. > Cheers, > Ray D Hi Ray, I'm using Publisher 4.13 and I can confirm, that on this machine it doesn't matter if CMYKPAL exists or not... Publisher still works. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 02:04:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127750 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 02:04:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960243121:20:11199:16; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:12:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011032; 5 Jun 2000 22:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18096 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:08:36 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18093 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:08:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12z52t-000Cwm-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:08:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:54:45 GMT Message-Id: <127744@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D and D printing prob X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On the other hand, I just suffered a type=5 failure dragging a letter >produced with 2.58 from its filer directory to a !Printers 1.62 That is interesting. I note that Printers 1.64 is now available from the ROSL web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 13:49:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127757 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 13:48:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960285949:10:16609:18; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:05:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014594; 6 Jun 2000 10:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19401 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:59:09 +0100 Received: from gaea.uk.clara.net (gaea.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.101]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19398 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:59:07 +0100 Received: from du-004-0148.claranet.co.uk ([195.8.79.148] helo=witheridge.clara.net) by gaea.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.11 #4) id 12zG8T-0003bd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:59:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Witheridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:43:08 +0100 Subject: Problem with PC Delete in !Boot configuration Message-ID: <49ca51eaeawitheridge@clara.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain X-RBL-Warning: (dul.maps.vix.com) See Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Using OvationPro version 2.58 - dated 05 Feb 2000: I have PC Delete set in my RiscPC configuration (not my Ovation Choices) because I use PCs as well as RiscPCs and using PC Delete mode reduces my keyboard confusion considerably when switching between machines. However, the RiscPC PC Delete mode does not seem to work properly with OvationPro. For example, to delete existing links between frames I need to turn off PC Delete via the !Boot keyboard option before I can select and delete the link with the Delete key. Has anyone any suggestions? -- Paul Witheridge, Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 13:49:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127758 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 13:49:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960285956:10:12982:49; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:05:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013004; 6 Jun 2000 10:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19396 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:58:39 +0100 Received: from gaea.uk.clara.net (gaea.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.101]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19393 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:58:37 +0100 Received: from du-004-0148.claranet.co.uk ([195.8.79.148] helo=witheridge.clara.net) by gaea.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.11 #4) id 12zG7s-0003bd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:58:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Witheridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:35:11 +0100 Subject: OvationPro bug with linking large number of master-page frames Message-ID: <49ca5130c0witheridge@clara.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain X-RBL-Warning: (dul.maps.vix.com) See Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Using OvationPro version 2.58 - dated 05 Feb 2000: I have encountered a problem when linking a large number of master-page frames - 65 frames to be precise. I managed to bypass the problem by exporting the document as DDL and manually editing this (there may be easier ways of getting around it - that was just the first I tried). I wanted to print a sheet of labels - A4 sheet, 5 labels across, 13 labels down. To do this I: 1. Created new document with empty A4 master page (containing no frames) 2. Created single frame on the master page corresponding to top left label 3. Copied and pasted this frame twelve times to create vertical column of thirteen labels - adjusting Y coordinate of each frame 4. Grouped the thirteen frames 5. Copied and pasted the group 4 times horizontally to create a total of five columns, each of thirteen grouped frames 6. Ungrouped each of the five columns to give 5 times 13 = 65 frames 7. Linked frames starting with the top left frame, going down column, at end of column up to top of next column, at end of last (rightmost) column autolink back to top frame of first column. On closing the master frame edit window, I discovered that although all five columns of frames appeared on the master page, only the first column appeared on the first page of the document - the remaining four colums (each of thirteen frames) had disappeared. Note: I have mailed David Pilling directly about the problem - including attachments giving an example of the problem. -- Paul Witheridge, Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 13:49:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127760 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 13:49:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960288374:10:25728:16; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:46:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025293; 6 Jun 2000 10:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19735 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:42:30 +0100 Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19732 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:42:29 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04092 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:42:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:42:15 +0100 Received: by w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:42:15 +0100 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA994BC@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: OvationPro bug with linking large number of master-page frame s Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:42:12 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Paul Witheridge [SMTP Using OvationPro version 2.58 - dated 05 Feb 2000: I have encountered a problem when linking a large number of master-page frames - 65 frames to be precise. I managed to bypass the problem by exporting the document as DDL and manually editing this (there may be easier ways of getting around it - that was just the first I tried). Have you tried the !Labeller (Label) applet by David Breakwell (on the OvPro Resources site) which automates the process? >From my recollection the applet works by using DDL so perhaps you were going along the right lines. Good luck, Michael Hunter This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not u -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 13:54:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127761 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 13:54:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960287593:20:29149:21; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:33:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112551; 6 Jun 2000 10:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19653 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:29:55 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19647 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:28:44 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-238.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.238]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA72360 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:57:55 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:16:11 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Mast head sprite To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I hope that version 2.59 will have the correct name in the mast head, that appears, when loading Ovation, at least then it will give credit to the person who did and does all the hard work. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 13:55:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127762 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 13:55:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960294276:20:15436:16; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 12:24:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117998; 6 Jun 2000 12:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20090 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:19:12 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20087 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:19:10 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12zIK2-0003If-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:19:06 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA25905 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:19:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 13:19:50 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro bug with linking large number of master-page frames Message-ID: <49ca65c212C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49ca5130c0witheridge@clara.co.uk> References: <49ca5130c0witheridge@clara.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49ca5130c0witheridge@clara.co.uk>, Paul Witheridge wrote: > Using OvationPro version 2.58 - dated 05 Feb 2000: > I have encountered a problem when linking a large number of master-page > frames - 65 frames to be precise. I managed to bypass the problem by > exporting the document as DDL and manually editing this (there may be > easier ways of getting around it - that was just the first I tried). > I wanted to print a sheet of labels - A4 sheet, 5 labels across, 13 labels > down. To do this I: > 1. Created new document with empty A4 master page (containing no frames) > 2. Created single frame on the master page corresponding to top left label > 3. Copied and pasted this frame twelve times to create vertical column of > thirteen labels - adjusting Y coordinate of each frame > 4. Grouped the thirteen frames > 5. Copied and pasted the group 4 times horizontally to create a total of > five columns, each of thirteen grouped frames > 6. Ungrouped each of the five columns to give 5 times 13 = 65 frames > 7. Linked frames starting with the top left frame, going down column, at > end of column up to top of next column, at end of last (rightmost) column > autolink back to top frame of first column. > On closing the master frame edit window, I discovered that although all > five columns of frames appeared on the master page, only the first column > appeared on the first page of the document - the remaining four colums > (each of thirteen frames) had disappeared. There are label templates on the resources site, including 65 labels in 13x5 format. There are two templates, one with linked frames, one without. Both of these work normally. I have also created other templates, using essentially the same methods as described above, and have never had the problem described. The only thing different is that I link the frames in rows rather than columns. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 21:56:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127796 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 21:56:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960320359:20:10574:17; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:39:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010515; 6 Jun 2000 19:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21058 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:08:21 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21053 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:08:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12zOi2-0009gF-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:08:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:09:12 GMT Message-Id: <127782@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with PC Delete in !Boot configuration X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have PC Delete set in my RiscPC configuration >However, the RiscPC PC Delete mode does not seem to work properly with >OvationPro. Correct it doesn't. I noted this here when RISC OS 4 came out, however because no one has ever complained I've not fixed it yet. >For example, to delete existing links between frames I need to >turn off PC Delete via the !Boot keyboard option before I can select and >delete the link with the Delete key. True, but you could click on the button on the link info palette. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 21:56:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127797 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 21:56:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960320302:10:03309:16; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:38:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128466; 6 Jun 2000 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21066 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:08:25 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21062 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:08:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12zOi6-0009gF-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:08:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:44:00 GMT Message-Id: <127786@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mast head sprite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I hope that version 2.59 will have the correct name in the mast head Oh yes, the Beebug copy protection system will be gone, nothing but a fond memory. If you've been following that saga, I did actually locate the programmer of it a couple of months back - too late now though. Anyway more on 2.59 tomorrow. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 21:56:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127799 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 21:56:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960320332:11:29747:16; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:38:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129504; 6 Jun 2000 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21064 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:08:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21057 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:08:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12zOi4-0009gF-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:08:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:09:19 GMT Message-Id: <127784@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro bug with linking large number of master-page frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I wanted to print a sheet of labels - A4 sheet, 5 labels across, 13 labels >down. To do this I: >... >4. Grouped the thirteen frames > ... perhaps the simplest thing to say is that grouping is not necessary - it is actually making the job involve more operations. copy/paste will work with multiple selected frames. Also for this particular job, I would use the 'duplicate' option (bad name since it will actually do N copies). And duplicate also works with more than one thing selected. >On closing the master frame edit window, I discovered that although all >five columns of frames appeared on the master page, only the first column >appeared on the first page of the document - the remaining four colums >(each of thirteen frames) had disappeared. I've seen the examples that you sent (obviously wrong), but OTOH I've set off from scratch along the lines you describe and had no problems. I can believe there's a problem with groups on the master page in some situations. OPro has to deal with the case where frames in the document have been made local and then deleted. It can't just plaster the master page contents into the document every time you change them. So it has to compare the previous master page with the document page. Anyway that comparison becomes tricky with groups - what are you comparing the groups? or their contents? Making the groups, closing the master pages, then opening the master pages and starting ungrouping (slightly different to what you said) might be the thing to go wrong. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 22:30:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127806 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 22:30:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960326056:20:08382:16; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:14:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113309; 6 Jun 2000 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21618 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:45:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21615 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:45:27 +0100 Received: from userew94.uk.uudial.com (62.188.18.122) [62.188.18.122] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12zQE1-00045j-00; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:45:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr B Kirk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:47:41 +0100 Subject: error reframes Message-ID: <49ca94408bbkirk@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, When doing a double click on a graphics frame with a graphics in, instead of getting the two lines on the graphic for adjustments, I get an error frame from OvationPro, "Attempt to use unitialised bookmark". Could you help please. Thanks, Bryan Kirk (Bispham) -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 22:30:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127809 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jun 100 22:30:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960326996:20:03153:21; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:29:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002804; 6 Jun 2000 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21665 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:56:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21662 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:56:42 +0100 Received: from usercj65.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.8) [62.188.154.8] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12zQOt-0004V2-00; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:56:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr B Kirk To: Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:58:23 +0100 Subject: error reframes Message-ID: <49ca953b57bkirk@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, When doing a double click on a graphics frame with a graphics in, instead of getting the two lines on the graphic for adjustments, I get an error frame from OvationPro, "Attempt to use unitialised bookmark". Could you help please. Thanks, Bryan Kirk (Bispham) David, Please disregard the above, I have shutoff the WordWorks applet, everything now works O.K. Best Wishes Bryan Kirk (Bispham). -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 01:17:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127813 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 01:17:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960332961:10:13494:16; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 23:09:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013444; 6 Jun 2000 23:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22028 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:40:31 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA22025 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:40:29 +0100 Received: from userfm25.uk.uudial.com (62.188.24.113) [62.188.24.113] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12zS1N-00016b-00; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:40:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:34:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: error reframes Message-ID: <49ca9e0debdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49ca953b57bkirk@argonet.co.uk> References: <49ca953b57bkirk@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49ca953b57bkirk@argonet.co.uk>, Mr B Kirk wrote: > David, > Please disregard the above, I have shutoff the WordWorks applet, > everything now works O.K. > Best Wishes > Bryan Kirk (Bispham). You're running version 1.02 of !WordWrks - version 1.03 resolved this bug (the patch to 1.02 was also posted to this list) David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 03:02:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127825 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 03:02:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960337691:10:21087:16; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:28:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021026; 7 Jun 2000 0:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22262 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:59:09 +0100 Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (smtp03.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22259 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:59:06 +0100 Received: from platt.gol.com (tc-1-1-062.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.8.62]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C374D4049 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:59:00 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:58:47 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Page sizes - other formats and saving them To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <127646@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David Maybe I'm missing something (again), but in OvPro v2.58, clicking New Document from the iconbar and then Page allows A3, A4, A5 Letter, Legal, Tabloid and Other to be selected. Can one create _and save_ other page formats, eg longer than A3 to create a banner (don't know how my printer would handle this, but the latest Epson printers here will print a several-metres-long strip of photos with no spaces on special rolls of paper), B4 and B5 etc? I know we can change the H & W settings, but I've never been able to find out how to reload them later for a new session. If not, will the next version be able to do this? Please. Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com RISC OS 4 and StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 14:18:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127828 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 14:18:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960345334:20:14791:16; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 02:35:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014667; 7 Jun 2000 2:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22649 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:07:32 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22646 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:07:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12zVFi-0000gW-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:07:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 03:03:19 GMT Message-Id: <127826@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page sizes - other formats and saving them X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Maybe I'm missing something (again), but in OvPro v2.58, clicking New >Document from the iconbar and then Page allows A3, A4, A5 Letter, >Legal, Tabloid and Other to be selected. >Can one create _and save_ other page formats, eg longer than A3 to >create a banner You can extend the options available, but to do so you have to edit the script files which generate that menu. Perhaps the stationery applet would be a workaround. Although presumeably you could just type in the extra large size you want using the 'other' option (once), discover it won't print, and never need it again ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 14:18:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127829 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 14:18:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960345395:10:12851:16; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 02:36:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012802; 7 Jun 2000 2:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22612 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:02:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22609 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:02:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12zVAt-0004hY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:02:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 02:52:47 GMT Message-Id: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I've uploaded a demo version of 2.59 and the Impression loader to one of my web sites. The key thing here is that these are only of interest if you want to give the Impression loader a try or look at the new stuff in 2.59. A demo version can't save documents to disc, and the Impression loader won't work with older versions of OvationPro. In other words you can test things but you can't use them. I'd be interested in any feedback. The TransIMP loader has a !Help file inside it which explains things. These are the URL's; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/op259.zip http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/transimp.zip David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 14:18:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127833 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 14:18:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960365855:11:21681:17; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:17:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008915; 7 Jun 2000 8:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23407 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:13:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23404 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:13:31 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12zaxv-000K0k-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:13:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:12:23 +0100 From: John Pettigrew Message-ID: <65f0d2ca49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: overlines X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My wife (a maths teacher) would like to be able to overline characters easily to create worksheets. Could anyone sugget the easiest way to do this? TiA, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 14:18:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127832 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 14:18:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960366435:20:11537:19; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:27:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123614; 7 Jun 2000 8:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23471 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:24:04 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ([212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA23468 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:24:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 17365 invoked by uid 101); 7 Jun 2000 08:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO worthy) (212.41.50.59) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 08:01:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:23:08 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <79ecd3ca49%tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > I'd be interested in any feedback. The TransIMP loader has a !Help file > inside it which explains things. Amazing achievement! Do you want feedback to the mailling list or privately ? A couple of problems to be getting on with; 1 Type text into Impression frame hit ctrl-G for next frame type more text. Import into OP and now have an extra return at top of second page. DDF says cgsfsgsgd {nextframe}fsdhdhtghfthftghg DDL says "cgsfsgsgd" {newpage}{newpara} "fsdhdhtghfthftghg" 2 I use underlined tabs (a lot) in forms as "fill in here", OP doesn't seem to underline tabs - can this be switched on? if so switched on automatically for imported Impdocs to mimic Impression for that file. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 14:19:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127836 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 14:19:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960368903:10:17689:17; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:08:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014457; 7 Jun 2000 9:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23688 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:04:11 +0100 Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [195.147.248.109] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23685 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:04:10 +0100 Received: from p6ds05a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.229.110] helo=p6ds05a07) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12zbkm-0004Qm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:04:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:58:21 +0100 Subject: Re: overlines Message-ID: <49cad725carayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <65f0d2ca49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <65f0d2ca49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <65f0d2ca49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, John Pettigrew wrote: > My wife (a maths teacher) would like to be able to overline characters > easily to create worksheets. Could anyone sugget the easiest way to do > this? There is a way of doing it, but it's a bit messy and you can't also underline separately. Create a style called 'Overline' and in the text attributes, set it for V shift -100% Use this style for the text which includes the words/characters you want to overline. If you then select the required text and give it the Underline style, it will shift the text to be below the underlining IYSWIM. You do have to use the style on all the text around it as it obviously would look odd if just the one word shifted. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 14:20:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127844 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 14:20:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960370777:10:08203:17; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004419; 7 Jun 2000 9:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23831 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:35:21 +0100 Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23828 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:35:19 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-210.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.210]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02395 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:35:17 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:57:28 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: overlines To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <65f0d2ca49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 07 Jun, John Pettigrew wrote: > My wife (a maths teacher) would like to be able to overline characters easily > to create worksheets. Could anyone sugget the easiest way to do this? > > TiA, Well of course the *easist* way is to use Techwriter. If you also need OP page layout facilities you can export the equations and expressions from TW as a Draw file. However if you do not want to buy TW, it is possible to put overlines and dots in in separate transparent frames, and position them by hand. The problem is they have to be moved when you reformat. I used to do this before I got TW, but never figured a way to retain the exact positioning when the text moves. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 14:20:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127846 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 14:20:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960381539:11:20203:17; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:38:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024168; 7 Jun 2000 12:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24345 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:23:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24342 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:23:00 +0100 Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12zerL-000Ccq-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:23:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:16:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cae949c7mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <79ecd3ca49%tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> <79ecd3ca49%tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <79ecd3ca49%tim@worthy.demon.co.uk>, Tim Howarth wrote: > In message <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > I'd be interested in any feedback. The TransIMP loader has a !Help > > file inside it which explains things. > Amazing achievement! > Do you want feedback to the mailling list or privately ? > A couple of problems to be getting on with; [snip] Privately please ;o) (from someone pretending to be David) -- Mick Burrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 18:47:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127847 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 18:47:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960389955:20:17618:17; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:59:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2016774; 7 Jun 2000 14:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24721 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:53:09 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24718 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:53:07 +0100 Received: from modem-10.garibaldi.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.16.10] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12zhCd-00026h-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:53:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:21:13 +0100 Subject: Re: D and D printing prob Message-ID: <49caf4b4f0frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <127744@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127744@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <127744@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >On the other hand, I just suffered a type=5 failure dragging a letter > >produced with 2.58 from its filer directory to a !Printers 1.62 > That is interesting. > I note that Printers 1.64 is now available from the ROSL web site. > David Pilling Right! Printers 1.64 does not give the problem! Lesson: A?UGWP = Always(?) UpGrade Where Possible. Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 2.02b on RPC, SA, OS 4.02. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 18:47:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127851 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 18:47:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960393467:20:29856:16; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:57:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029750; 7 Jun 2000 15:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24970 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:41 +0100 Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-svc.virgin.net [194.168.54.144]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24966 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:38 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.72.201]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000607155231.VXKW9384.mta3-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:52:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:17:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: Queries/ideas To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <127547@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAB24970 On Thu 01 Jun, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > >2a A related one, could a "paste to old position on new page" be > >possible >=20 > I suppose so. About the only argument against is that there would have > to be some way of telling OPro to do this, which would either get in > the way or which no one would remember. >=20 > I think this is called 'paste special' in Pagemaker=AE and if remembered correctly, the Alt key is used with the pasting key to get this feature. This is something which I think would be a very useful addition to OP as it is something I used quite often with that other program. While I have the begging bowl in my hand, may I ask for the main printing dialogue box to show that separations have been selected for printing? I know that it is only one click away but I have been caught out when a separation has been printed previously and then composite prints are wanted. It is only when the printing is being executed that separations or composite is displayed and then it is too late. Perhaps the separations button could be coloured when seps are set for being printed. To make it more complete, coloured squares or circles could be displayed under the separations button to show which seps have been selected. (I might as well try and make things as difficult as possible while I am about it.) As you have probably guessed, I am good at finding things for other people to do, just because I can't do them myself. More strength to your elbow David, and thanks for all you have done and continue to do with this first class program. Bernard. --=20 Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 18:48:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127852 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 18:47:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960393514:20:01296:16; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:58:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115554; 7 Jun 2000 15:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24967 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:39 +0100 Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-svc.virgin.net [194.168.54.144]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24962 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:36 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.72.201]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000607155229.VXKP9384.mta3-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:52:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:36:24 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: D and D printing prob To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <127486@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 01 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >I use Opro v2.58 all day and every day and like it very much except > >It will not allow drag and drop printing. > >The App crashes with an error 5 > > So can Alan Butler assume from the lack of any comments that no one else > has such problems? Just tried D and D to a postscript type1 printer and all went ok. ROS 3.7; OPro 2.58. Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 21:57:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127874 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jun 100 21:57:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960404662:10:14423:16; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:04:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109902; 7 Jun 2000 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25668 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:59:47 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25665 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:59:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12zl3G-000FjT-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:59:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:57:41 GMT Message-Id: <127855@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Do you want feedback to the mailling list or privately ? I don't mind, it depends how illuminating for the general reader it is. As it happens one of the private comments I got would have been useful in public. >>>To make a vertical line in Impression I used to use frames of zero width. >>>These come across OK but I am unable to get at them ie I can't make them >>>turn red. To which the answer is do control+shift+select drag to form a selection box around whatever you want to select. Or plan B, select all and then deselect the other stuff. Thanks for the feedback. Its useful because Impression users have a lot better understanding of how things should be than I do. At any rate, anyone can now see that loading Impression documents can be done. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 02:44:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127903 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 02:44:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960426018:10:14909:16; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 01:00:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014821; 8 Jun 2000 1:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26583 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:53:01 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26580 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:52:57 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-207.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.207]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA59775 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:22:52 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:12:54 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Using Ovation for emailing To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have been trying to use Ovation for emailing using the ANT suite and StrongEd but when saving text to the editor it cuts words, does not word wrap and when formatting it joins all the paras, deleting CR. Are there any tricks to overcome this please. I used to use Impression with a font of Corpus at 12.25pt and saved as text with linefeeds on but the latter is not available in Ovation. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 13:03:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127913 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 13:03:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960454612:10:24719:25; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:56:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024349; 8 Jun 2000 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27576 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:46:58 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27573 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:46:56 +0100 Received: from modem-6.lidocaine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.87.134] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12zxxo-00018H-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:46:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: Ovation Pro Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:41:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Using Ovation for emailing Message-ID: <49cb597aa0barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Peter Prewett wrote: > I have been trying to use Ovation for emailing using the ANT suite > and StrongEd but when saving text to the editor it cuts words, does > not word wrap and when formatting it joins all the paras, deleting CR. Why not just use StrongEd's !News mode in the first place? You get auto word wrap and spell checking. Also reformatting of quoted text. -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e - a l l e n . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 13:04:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127921 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 13:04:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960451688:20:19708:16; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:08:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108324; 8 Jun 2000 8:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27384 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:00:15 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27381 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:00:12 +0100 Received: from [195.102.196.244] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12zxF1-0001IH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:00:39 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:52:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:52:07 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Using Ovation for emailing Message-ID: <6deb54cb49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Peter Prewett wrote: > I have been trying to use Ovation for emailing using the ANT suite and > StrongEd but when saving text to the editor it cuts words, does not word > wrap and when formatting it joins all the paras, deleting CR. > > Are there any tricks to overcome this please. I used to use Impression > with a font of Corpus at 12.25pt and saved as text with linefeeds on but > the latter is not available in Ovation. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do (or why) but the problem is likely to lie outside OvPro. In an ascii text editor, such as StrongEd, a single CR is used for line breaks and two are needed for para breaks. If you save text from Ovation each para will be in the form of a single long line of text followed by a single CR. The wrapping must then be done in StrongEd, but you will find that the single CRs at the end of paras get absorbed as you say - they are treated as line ends which need to be ignored when the text is rewrapped. The best thing is to put in an extra CR at the end of every para before trying to wrap in StrongEd - if it's a short text just do it by hand. If it's long you can use search and replace. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 13:04:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127924 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 13:04:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960458279:20:10013:27; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:57:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117413; 8 Jun 2000 9:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27796 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:51:43 +0100 Received: from sand6.global.net.uk (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27793 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:51:42 +0100 Received: from p11s07a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.231.18] helo=p11s07a07) by sand6.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12zz0K-0003PS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:53:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:59:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Using Ovation for emailing Message-ID: <49cb558ad6rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Peter Prewett wrote: > I have been trying to use Ovation for emailing using the ANT suite and > StrongEd but when saving text to the editor it cuts words, does not word > wrap and when formatting it joins all the paras, deleting CR. > Are there any tricks to overcome this please. I used to use Impression > with a font of Corpus at 12.25pt and saved as text with linefeeds on but > the latter is not available in Ovation. I'm not quite sure what the problem is your end because Ovation Pro does save out text properly wordwrapped here. Shift-F3 should give you a text file with no line endings, but just paragraph breaks. Drag that into Zap - or in my case Pluto - and the formatting should be done by the editor. If you get this, then it does work as I'm just about to drag it into Pluto. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 18:03:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127956 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 18:03:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960474165:20:16174:16; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:22:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108628; 8 Jun 2000 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28382 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:18:19 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28379 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:18:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13038T-000JRv-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:18:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:53:30 GMT Message-Id: <127944@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ArcFax applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Currently, if you want ArcFax to know where to send a document that is >printed to it you need to embed commands like "{FaxTo: 020 7123 4567}". >It's a little awkward getting these into the document and then hiding them, >and they're tricky to edit, should you need to. 2.59 has a new non-printing colour feature which improves matters. >During printing the applet would send the appropriate formatted strings to >the font renderer, so that ArcFax could intercept them, but not to the >printer. I'm hoping there's a way for an applet to store the data with the >document without it being on the page, as it were. Applets can store information in documents. There is also an undocumented interface to ArcFax via system variables which you could use to pass information from the applet to ArcFax. As to mail merge another approach might be needed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 18:03:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127958 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 18:03:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960474291:20:19471:20; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:24:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019429; 8 Jun 2000 14:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28385 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:18:22 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28120 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:02 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-86.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.86]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA05125 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:54:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:43:18 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: ArcFax applet Message-ID: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Here's an idea for a new applet...ArcFaxCom Currently, if you want ArcFax to know where to send a document that is printed to it you need to embed commands like "{FaxTo: 020 7123 4567}". It's a little awkward getting these into the document and then hiding them, and they're tricky to edit, should you need to. So, the proposed new appled "Arc Fax Commands" would be an easy way to enter and edit these embedded commands. It would have a pop-up window, perhaps much like ArcFax's own pop-up menu for new faxes, which would enable the storing of a fax number, a fax to merge, etc... in proper window icons. Perhaps these window icons themselves could accept [Merge] commands? During printing the applet would send the appropriate formatted strings to the font renderer, so that ArcFax could intercept them, but not to the printer. I'm hoping there's a way for an applet to store the data with the document without it being on the page, as it were. I hope somebody likes this idea enough to write the applet - I'd buy it. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 19:19:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127970 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 19:19:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960485031:20:23769:27; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:23:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120837; 8 Jun 2000 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28933 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:19:27 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ([212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA28930 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:19:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 18998 invoked by uid 101); 8 Jun 2000 16:56:32 -0000 Received: from user824.jakinternet.co.uk (HELO RiscPC01) (212.41.35.57) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk with SMTP; 8 Jun 2000 16:56:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:57:49 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ArcFax applet Message-ID: <6be186cb49.peter@RiscPC01.winnersh.fourcom.com> References: <127944@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <127944@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.42beta1 (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <127944@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > There is also an undocumented interface to ArcFax via system variables Oooh. That sounds interesting. When you have a spare minute or two... -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 21:00:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127979 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 21:00:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960491314:11:15567:16; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 19:08:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115389; 8 Jun 2000 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29351 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:04:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29348 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:04:47 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1307bj-000AcA-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:04:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:04:34 +0100 Subject: Re: ArcFax applet Message-ID: <49cb877f4cjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <127944@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127944@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <127944@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > 2.59 has... ... mouth watering ... when? -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs bespoke products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 21:01:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127981 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 21:01:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960492016:20:27674:16; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 19:20:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111415; 8 Jun 2000 19:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29420 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:15:51 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29417 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:15:49 +0100 Received: from usereo75.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.73) [62.188.15.73] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1307mO-0004k4-00; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:15:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:47:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: ArcFax applet Message-ID: <49cb90f659davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <127944@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127944@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <127944@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Applets can store information in documents. There is also an undocumented > interface to ArcFax via system variables which you could use to > pass information from the applet to ArcFax. As to mail merge another > approach might be needed. I do own ArcFax but could probably look at creating the applet - any documentation etc would be useful. David Breakwell Author of !IdxPro, !Labeller, !WordWrks, !NewFrame -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 21:33:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127996 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 21:32:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960494526:11:16735:16; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:02:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116710; 8 Jun 2000 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29687 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:00:28 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29684 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:00:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1308Ta-000IhT-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:00:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 19:36:28 GMT Message-Id: <127976@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ArcFax applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Oooh. That sounds interesting. When you have a spare minute or two... Well you have the ArcFaxFix module which looks at all calls to the font painter whilst printing is going on. When it sees something it understands like {FaxTo: Bob} it saves it away. After a *command of ArcFaxFix_Write is issued the module sets various system variables ArcFax$FaxTo etc. to the values it has saved (you can soon *show ArcFax* or look at the module in Edit to see which ones). So I suppose you'd also need to alias the above *command (and its buddy ArcFaxFix_Clear which clears the saved strings). If you use the dumper version of the ArcFax driver, then the dumper issues the above commands, for the original ArcFax driver, the main ArcFax program does. The last time this came up, a team of crack Acorn software engineers was working on Peter Bondars (where is he now) futuristic home, some sort of network fax thing - glory days... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 21:33:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127999 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 21:33:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960495386:20:22468:17; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:16:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110673; 8 Jun 2000 20:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29773 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:14:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA29770 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:14:20 +0100 Received: from userb774.uk.uudial.com (193.149.83.249) [193.149.83.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1308h0-0006oi-00; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:14:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 19:59:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cb977f04davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The key thing here is that these are only of interest if you want to > give the Impression loader a try or look at the new stuff in 2.59. A > demo version can't save documents to disc, and the Impression loader > won't work with older versions of OvationPro. Hi David Any new applet commands in 2.59? I presume for example that there must be a way of picking up 'section' numbers in the same way as bmchapter/bmpage. The Loader is a superb piece of work and the 2.59 release looks good so far David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 22:37:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128007 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jun 100 22:37:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960496932:10:13889:16; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:42:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013754; 8 Jun 2000 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29907 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:33:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29904 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:33:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1308zW-000Omv-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:33:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 21:03:50 GMT Message-Id: <127984@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ArcFax applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >when? Well soonish. I have to tackle sorting out the CD contents now. There's also a bit of fine tuning left to do. Its difficult when all you have is a demo version, but does anyone see any problems with the bulleting/para numbering in 2.59? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 9 01:17:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128010 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jun 100 01:17:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960500408:10:05819:16; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 21:40:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005714; 8 Jun 2000 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30229 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:37:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30226 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:37:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1309zq-000OGQ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:37:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 21:45:25 GMT Message-Id: <128005@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Any new applet commands in 2.59? I presume for example that there must be >a way of picking up 'section' numbers in the same way as bmchapter/bmpage. Err pardon? you mean the bullet levels? in that case no. Everything new is documented either in the 'pts' text file or the Bullets document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 9 01:17:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128012 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jun 100 01:17:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960500928:10:04377:16; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 21:48:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101587; 8 Jun 2000 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30285 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:47:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30282 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:47:17 +0100 Received: from userah13.uk.uudial.com (62.188.132.198) [62.188.132.198] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 130A8w-00029F-00; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:47:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 21:32:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Queries/ideas Message-ID: <49cb9a8563steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2d9341c849.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <2d9341c849.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <2d9341c849.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, John Pettigrew wrote: > Some terribly formatted stuff - why are you posting RTF to a mailing > list? Use plain text, so that people can read it! He didn't post RTF per se, it was the argo mail client - you can add bold or italic and actually see it, as opposed to the normal * and / markers to suggest the effects. Unfortunately it turns the whole post into the badly formatted mess you saw. > Anyway, on with the reply: > > Having said that, there is a Now *that* bit was what caused the problem. Argo subscribers using Posty please note - the effects you generate this way are disliked by everyone (except your fellow Posty users who don't notice) Finally: Jonathan might like to consider the use of the "Undo" button to revert to previous status in the document -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 9 14:01:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128034 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jun 100 14:01:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960550218:10:11928:18; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:30:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116452; 9 Jun 2000 11:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31992 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:29:02 +0100 Received: from smtp22.singnet.com.sg (smtp22.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31989 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:28:58 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2333.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.163]) by smtp22.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27817 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:28:55 +0800 (SGT) (envelope-from revilo@singnet.com.sg) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:25:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: ArcFax applet - very non-urgent To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <127984@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings from the land of a thousand noodles. This is very non-urgent, so if you're busy, leave for another day, or ignore, or something. The recent correspondence about ArcFax has reminded me of something I've been trying to sort out for a while: When I had an A5000 ArcFax seemed to work fine. Then I got a new toy and all seems to work except for the {FaxTo: XXXX} bit. I'm sure it's something very, very simple, but if you've time to point me towards a likely area for research, I'd be most grateful. Machine: 710 with StrongArm. 64+2MB. Other boards: LaserDirect, Cumana SCSI, Irlam i16. ArcFax: v 1.16. Printers: 1.64. Can't find any ArcFax settings that refer to embedded thingies. As I say, if you've got a one line answer that will solve all my woes, good. But don't waste time while you're on a roll with Ovation. For which, many thanks. Cheers, -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 9 19:32:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128057 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jun 100 19:32:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960571660:10:12918:17; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 17:27:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106491; 9 Jun 2000 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00544 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:03:35 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00539 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:03:34 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130RFt-0001Gp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:03:33 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16244 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:03:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 17:04:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cc05d22cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have tried a number of documents and generally they have worked well, including lots of embedded diagrams. One major omission which would effect me a lot is that superscript and subscript does not appear to be supported at the moment - a must for any scientific documents. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 9 19:32:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128058 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jun 100 19:32:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960573776:10:07006:16; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:02:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006947; 9 Jun 2000 18:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32663 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:14:53 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32659 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:14:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130PYd-000M3O-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:14:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:51:57 GMT Message-Id: <128054@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >- Border lines of frames tend to be much to bold >- Shadows are neglected >- Repeating frames are neglected >- Due to a different hyphenation module, hyphenation is sometimes not the > same >- The Impression related 'Keep together' options are (not surprisingly?) > neglected I guess the above are 'tough luck', OPro doesn't have repeating frames so they can't be converted and so on. It probably is possible to do better on borders. >- Inset in frames disappears >- Some files cause a hang up. Don't know why. >- I can't manage to get directory files (or how do you call them) loaded Please could you send me some examples? Inset works for me. The catch with directory format docs seems to be that they can exist in 'old' formats. Quite usefully all the single file docs I've seen have been in the same format. And no doubt any directory docs produced post the invention of the single file format can be handled. As of now the loader does not flag old format docs it can't handle, it just falls over. The simple test is to try loading into Impression which will tell you if the doc is an old one, and convert it into something the OP loader can handle. A good example is the Archive CD, where you've got lots of old format directory docs, because they continued with an old copy of Impression for quite a long time, and because the docs are for reference, and so have not been edited recently. Thats sort of situation where trouble will arise. >- Some font effects are different, e.g. Gillsans Light rather than Medium > (all the styles are absolutely perfect, though!) >- A little bit painful (!) is the old niggle that automatic italisation > and boldisation don't work properly in Ovation. Presumeably this is the old OP thing about font names. >- Pictures are sometimes displayed in inverse colours >- Duotone corrections are neglected I've not tackled the Impression image processing features - yet. It does not pose any great problem, just more messing about. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 9 19:33:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128060 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jun 100 19:33:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960575017:10:05728:37; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:23:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007474; 9 Jun 2000 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32639 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:10:19 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32636 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:10:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130PUB-000M3O-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:10:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:07:14 GMT Message-Id: <128036@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ArcFax applet - very non-urgent X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I had an A5000 ArcFax seemed to work fine. Then I got a new toy and all >seems to work except for the {FaxTo: XXXX} bit. Well the ArcFaxFix module is at the heart of it all, and there is a newer version on my web site 0.07 (ISTR). If yours (F12, *h.mod.) is older then thats the solution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 9 19:33:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128063 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jun 100 19:33:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960573301:20:13403:17; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 17:55:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128504; 9 Jun 2000 17:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32662 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:14:51 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31970 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:21:22 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.93]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA303D for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:21:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 12:20:30 +0200 Subject: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cbe6574adelink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <127855@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127855@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Mr. Pilling, First of all I want to emphasize that I am extremely impressed by this new gem. I only give my comments because you asked for it. But even if none of the following little bugs could be removed, I still would be very happy using it. Well, here we go: - Border lines of frames tend to be much to bold - Shadows are neglected - Repeating frames are neglected - Some font effects are different, e.g. Gillsans Light rather than Medium (all the styles are absolutely perfect, though!) - Inset in frames disappears - Some files cause a hang up. Don't know why. - Pictures are sometimes displayed in inverse colours - Duotone corrections are neglected - Page grid is not properly converted - The Impression related 'Keep together' options are (not surprisingly?) neglected - Due to a different hyphenation module, hyphenation is sometimes not the same - I can't manage to get directory files (or how do you call them) loaded - A little bit painful (!) is the old niggle that automatic italisation and boldisation don't work properly in Ovation. All those italics and bolds have to be redefined by hand! But this is not a bug in the loader, of course. But most of the files I tried (about 50 until now) only need extremely little tuning to match the original. Impressed! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 9 21:30:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128074 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jun 100 21:30:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960579971:11:06620:62; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:46:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003533; 9 Jun 2000 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01197 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:59:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01194 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:58:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130Tze-000GP8-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:58:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:49:17 GMT Message-Id: <128071@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >One major omission which would effect me a lot is that superscript >and subscript does not appear to be supported at the moment - a must >for any scientific documents. Thanks for that, I've just forgotten to output the commands for it. I will fix it right away. Although this is another one of those areas... Imp. allows script size to be set at a style level, rather than OPro's document level. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 9 23:03:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128079 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jun 100 23:03:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960587967:11:07020:16; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 21:59:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009807; 9 Jun 2000 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00757 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:24:26 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00754 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:24:24 +0100 Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([194.222.129.211]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 130Ra0-000Ni0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:24:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Patricia F. Garner" To: Ovation Pro Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 17:23:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49cc079b28tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c5b80211davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <49c5b80211davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c5b80211davidb@argonet.co.uk>, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article , Peter > Prewett wrote: > > How does one get WordWorks to run without loading Impression first? > Ensure ABIMod is RMLoaded - take a look at the !Hyperview application > in the !CCShared application and in particular its !Run file. Tweak > this and it should work. Please could you spell out the tweaking process in /very/ simple terms for me? Thanks, -- Tricia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 01:53:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128084 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 01:53:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960595338:11:00195:17; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:02:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100113; 10 Jun 2000 0:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01457 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:23:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01454 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:23:03 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([158.152.5.49] helo=worthy) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 130VJ0-0009H8-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:23:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 21:22:56 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <9e7e1dcc49%tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <128054@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <128054@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >- Border lines of frames tend to be much to bold > > It probably is possible to do better on borders. Could you extract the drawfile borders and place them in OP's border directory with unique and/or incrementing names - maybe have an extracted directory + inform user it has happened ? > >- Some font effects are different, e.g. Gillsans Light rather than Medium > Presumeably this is the old OP thing about font names. Can I add to this one, having seen the same effect where Homerton medium (oblique IIRC) can be replaced by homerton black (oblique), likewise frutiger. I was going to mention the above 2 myself, good to see someone else with same problems/ideas ! Another feature that would be handy; could you take into account if a file is a booklet - facing pages in the master page definition - and switch OP to facing pages view automatically. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 01:53:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128085 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 01:53:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960595862:11:08066:21; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:11:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027933; 10 Jun 2000 0:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01258 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:17:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01255 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:17:48 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130UHs-000OJj-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:17:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:37:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cc13e092john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49cbe6574adelink@wxs.nl> References: <127855@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49cbe6574adelink@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49cbe6574adelink@wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > First of all I want to emphasize that I am extremely impressed by this > new gem. I only give my comments because you asked for it. But even if > none of the following little bugs could be removed, I still would be > very happy using it. Well, here we go: I've only managed a quick glance but: the final line of lists seemed to have additional leading the a, b, c etc of lists were missing and the lines commenced with the full stop that was meant to follow the a, b, c. More as soon as I get time. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs bespoke products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 03:18:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128088 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 03:18:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960602622:10:24677:16; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:03:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024649; 10 Jun 2000 2:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02165 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:53:41 +0100 Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01515 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:39:14 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl (ipc379a44d.dial.wxs.nl [195.121.164.77]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FVWMPB03.GHB for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:39:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 22:38:26 +0200 Subject: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cc1ee9dddelink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <128054@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <128054@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Mr. Pilling, About loading old format Impression files: your suggestion to first load it into Impression and save it back again is indeed a proper solution. Most of the files that didn't work at first, can now be loaded. However, I discovered some new niggles: - Artworks files on Masterpages seem to get lost - Tracking and kerning seem to get lost - Lines (as a result of special tabs) get lost And there are still some files that don't load - also in the new format. Some of them cause a hang, some others give an error: unknown frame type. Unfortunately these are very large files, the largest being about 26 Mb. However, I could send you a file of app. 400 Kb that loads and then hangs. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 13:08:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128089 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 13:08:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960605456:10:00106:18; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:50:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000357; 10 Jun 2000 2:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02169 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:53:43 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02166 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:53:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130ZWv-000DYV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:53:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 23:05:28 GMT Message-Id: <128082@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >- Artworks files on Masterpages seem to get lost I can't reproduce that. They seem OK to me. >- Tracking and kerning seem to get lost Guilty - OPro doesn't have the same sort of vertical kerning, and horizontal kerning works in a different way. >- Lines (as a result of special tabs) get lost Whats a special tab? >And there are still some files that don't load - also in the new format. >Some of them cause a hang, some others give an error: unknown frame type. Very interesting. I've been given one doc which has an 'unknown frame type', it behaves oddly. I'd like to see more... >However, I could send you a file of app. 400 Kb that loads and then hangs. Great. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 13:09:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128092 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 13:09:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960632361:11:24001:16; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:19:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123962; 10 Jun 2000 10:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02970 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:22:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA02967 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:22:00 +0100 Received: from userav73.uk.uudial.com (62.188.138.120) [62.188.138.120] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 130eec-0000yE-00; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:21:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr J W Lupton) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:52:56 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Queries/ideas Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 8 Jun 2000 (21:32:21 +0100), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: > In article <2d9341c849.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, > John Pettigrew wrote: > > Some terribly formatted stuff - why are you posting RTF to a mailing > > list? Use plain text, so that people can read it! > > He didn't post RTF per se, it was the argo mail client - you can add > bold or italic and actually see it, as opposed to the normal * and / > markers to suggest the effects. > Unfortunately it turns the whole post into the badly formatted mess you > saw. > > > Anyway, on with the reply: > > > Having said that, there is a > Now *that* bit was what caused the problem. > > Argo subscribers using Posty please note - the effects you generate > this way are disliked by everyone (except your fellow Posty users who > don't > notice) > Well, you live and learn, as they say - apologies to everyone upset by this. Of course, it begs the question of why the feature is in Posty in the first place - or why the ability to interpret it isn't in other e-mail engines... Jonathan L -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ jwlupton@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 13:09:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128094 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 13:09:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960606524:20:20350:16; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:08:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107391; 10 Jun 2000 3:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02388 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:18:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA02385 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:18:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130aqb-000GQf-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:18:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:06:46 GMT Message-Id: <128086@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, >Could you extract the drawfile borders and place them in OP's border >directory with unique and/or incrementing names - maybe have an >extracted directory + inform user it has happened ? Yes, thats one way. Not ideal though. I'm not a big fan of the way borders work, having them outside documents is asking for trouble. >Another feature that would be handy; could you take into account if a >file is a booklet - facing pages in the master page definition - and >switch OP to facing pages view automatically. That would be easy enough. Its a matter of working out which is the most popular choice. I've been struck in my recent experience of Impression that double sided docs seem to be stuck in facing view, and on a small screen that is not useful. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 13:47:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128110 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 13:47:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960641099:10:15208:16; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:44:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118251; 10 Jun 2000 12:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03862 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:42:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03859 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:42:27 +0100 Received: from useram53.uk.uudial.com (62.188.134.225) [62.188.134.225] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 130jek-0003KP-00; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:42:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr B Kirk To: OvationPro Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:44:47 +0100 Subject: Fill Applet Message-ID: <49cc71e4a3bkirk@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, Tried 2.59 last night great additions, eagerly awaiting CD. Experimenting this morning with the FILL applet, keep getting Type5 error, downloaded new Fill applet, tried again same error, went back to 2.58 tried again no errors. Could you please tell me what I am doing wrong. Best regards Bryan Kirk, Bispham PLEASE Disregard the above message, As they say, "I HAVE FOUND IT", Menu, Object, FILL, at the bottom. No longer an Applet. Many Thanks. Bryan Kirk. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 15:15:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128113 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 15:15:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960642107:20:16318:17; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:01:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015957; 10 Jun 2000 13:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03460 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:57:34 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03457 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:57:32 +0100 Received: from useram53.uk.uudial.com (62.188.134.225) [62.188.134.225] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 130h59-0004cm-00; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:57:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr B Kirk To: OvationPro Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:59:52 +0100 Subject: Fill Applet Message-ID: <49cc62cb31bkirk@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, Tried 2.59 last night great additions, eagerly awaiting CD. Experimenting this morning with the FILL applet, keep getting Type5 error, downloaded new Fill applet, tried again same error, went back to 2.58 tried again no errors. Could you please tell me what I am doing wrong. Best regards Bryan Kirk, Bispham -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 15:15:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128114 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 15:15:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960644749:20:14216:18; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:45:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014016; 10 Jun 2000 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03695 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:42:14 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03692 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:42:12 +0100 Received: from 212.108.202.178 (p3E9BF9BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.249.188]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA12985 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:42:20 +0200 Message-Id: <200006101042.MAA12985@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 10 Jun 2000 08:53:16 GMT Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 X-Popauth-Info: 960633629 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: > >>- Border lines of frames tend to be much to bold >>- Shadows are neglected >>- Repeating frames are neglected >>- Due to a different hyphenation module, hyphenation is sometimes not the >> same >>- The Impression related 'Keep together' options are (not surprisingly?) >> neglected > >I guess the above are 'tough luck', OPro doesn't have repeating frames >so they can't be converted and so on. It probably is possible to [snip] > Maybe I am thick but why shouldn't OP have copies of frames for Impressions repeating frames ? It would not work (i.e. repeat while editing) like Impression but it would look like it, so there. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 15:15:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128115 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 15:15:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960645693:20:23819:16; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:01:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124044; 10 Jun 2000 14:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04063 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:47:38 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03584 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:53:35 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.25]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA1F for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:53:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:47:02 +0200 Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cc671ccedelink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <128082@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <128082@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Mr. Pilling, > >- Lines (as a result of special tabs) get lost > Whats a special tab? Impression has, apart from the normal margin settings and the normal tabs, also three 'vertical line tabs'. They produce, not surprisingly, vertical lines, of leading length, at the tab position - but only if you tab to it. In this way you can produce a sort of tables that grow while you are typing. Very handy, really! But I can imagine that converting these tab lines to real ones of a specific length will be very difficult. >>- Artworks files on Masterpages seem to get lost > I can't reproduce that. They seem OK to me Well, I now can be more specific about this. It appears that some Artworks files - and also normal Draw files - that don't convert in the Impression loader, can neither be loaded in Artworks or Draw. That is, you can export them, but the result is an empty window! So I suppose it has nothing to do with the loader. But what on earth is causing this problem? I've never experienced it before. Off topic, I am afraid. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 16:46:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128119 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 16:46:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960647571:20:15083:16; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:32:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127797; 10 Jun 2000 14:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04373 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:15:29 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04369 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:15:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130m2m-0001Mv-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:15:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:48:07 GMT Message-Id: <128111@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Tried 2.59 last night great additions, eagerly awaiting CD. Experimenting >this morning with the FILL applet, keep getting Type5 error Simply, any versions of the fill applet you have access to won't work properly with 2.59. 2.59 needs a new fill applet, and I didn't include it because it wasn't relevant to testing things. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 16:46:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128122 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 16:46:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960648906:20:02392:16; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:55:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118065; 10 Jun 2000 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04628 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:51:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA04625 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:51:56 +0100 Received: from userei91.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.3) [62.188.13.3] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 130mc7-0000cI-00; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:51:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:51:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cc8301bcsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <128086@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <128086@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just a little item on the import of Impression files: There was a botch (for want of a better term) used to produce drop capitals in text blocks. Typically a drop cap A was produced with the following {define ruler "Drop cap A"; leftmargin 20pt; tabs 20pt;}{fontsize 30pt}{linespace 10pt}{kern 0 90}A{kern 0 435}{linespace}{fontsize}{tab} Any chance of incorporating the ability to translate documents containing these? I have the odd few documents of that type... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 16:46:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128124 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 16:46:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960649972:20:18931:16; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:12:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018711; 10 Jun 2000 15:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04068 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:47:41 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04065 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:47:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130kfq-000Mdk-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:47:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:38:08 GMT Message-Id: <128108@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Impression has, apart from the normal margin settings and the normal tabs, >also three 'vertical line tabs'. They produce, not surprisingly, vertical >lines, of leading length, at the tab position - but only if you tab to it. Err what I'd (rightly or wrongly) call "vertical rule off's". >It appears that some Artworks files - and also normal Draw files - that >don't convert in the Impression loader, can neither be loaded in Artworks >or Draw. That is, you can export them, but the result is an empty window! >So I suppose it has nothing to do with the loader. Looming over all this is the prospect of damaged files. Aside from the thing with corrupt style tables (see the !Help file in !TransIMP), and apart from what else Impression may do, some will certainly have fallen victim to disc and memory problems. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 17:46:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128147 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jun 100 17:46:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960652089:11:23559:17; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:48:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004806; 10 Jun 2000 15:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04889 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:46:18 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04886 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:46:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130nSb-0008s2-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:46:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:17:12 GMT Message-Id: <128116@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Maybe I am thick but why shouldn't OP have copies of frames for >Impressions repeating frames ? It would not work (i.e. repeat while >editing) like Impression but it would look like it, so there. Thats they way it should work, and the way I assumed it did work. What I meant was that the frames can't auto repeat. However I just checked and although repeating frames are reproduced their contents are not. So thanks for that, its another little wrinkle to iron out. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:47:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128151 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:47:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960655703:10:29146:29; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:48:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029132; 10 Jun 2000 16:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05130 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:46:42 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04746 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:09:12 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.125]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA3385 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:09:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:08:22 +0200 Subject: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cc84882cdelink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <128108@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <128108@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >Impression has, apart from the normal margin settings and the normal > >tabs, also three 'vertical line tabs'. They produce, not surprisingly, > >vertical lines, of leading length, at the tab position - but only if > >you tab to it. > Err what I'd (rightly or wrongly) call "vertical rule off's". All right, but they don't exist this way in Ovation. And it really is very handy! But Ovation has many more other and better things, true. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:47:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128150 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:47:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960656461:20:01553:16; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:01:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001316; 10 Jun 2000 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05192 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:58:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05189 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:58:44 +0100 Received: from usercr17.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.244) [62.188.156.244] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 130oap-00043t-00; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:58:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil Hetherington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:49:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cc61dfe5philhet@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I've uploaded a demo version of 2.59 and the Impression loader to > one of my web sites. > The key thing here is that these are only of interest if you want to give > the Impression loader a try or look at the new stuff in 2.59. A demo version > can't save documents to disc, and the Impression loader won't work with > older versions of OvationPro. > David Pilling I downloaded the demos last night and tried them out on about twenty to thirty Impression Style files, both single documents and in the I directory format. Diagrams and pictures appeared out of the original position in text, but this was because the text size/page size was different than the original. This was mainly were page size in Impression had been A5 made by setting to 66% from A4. Ovation restored the A4 size. Impression "table" style lost its vertical lines as expected, but the spacing (via tab stop) was preserved. Page numbers appeared to be lost. The general result was good -- the documents would only need slight editing of page size. moving of diagrams up or down and the like. One very old Impression doc would not load -- gave an error -- but it only needed loading into Style to become transferrable. One advantage of this new applet could be that old BBC InterWord and similar files for which Impression has loaders and Ovation hasn't could be transferred via Impression. I look forward to the time when the full version of 2.59 becomes available Phil Hetherington * ... My windows are dirty - send for the window cleaner - costs $9. -- Phil Hetherington - turned 82 -feeling 28 sometimes - Voyaging to Looking Glass World on the good ship Argo ZFC G+ StrongArm+Riscos4 -philhet@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:47:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128153 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:47:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960659164:20:26002:16; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:46:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025989; 10 Jun 2000 17:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05414 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:44:17 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05411 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:44:15 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust77.tnt5.rtm1.nl.uu.net [212.153.213.77] with SMTP for id TAA24537 (8.8.8/1.19); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:44:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00f801bfd303$44040520$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <128082@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49cc671ccedelink@wxs.nl> Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:41:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat Jun 10, Paul Sprangers wrote: > >>- Artworks files on Masterpages seem to get lost > > I can't reproduce that. They seem OK to me > > Well, I now can be more specific about this. > It appears that some Artworks files - and also normal Draw files - that > don't convert in the Impression loader, can neither be loaded in Artworks > or Draw. That is, you can export them, but the result is an empty window! > So I suppose it has nothing to do with the loader. > But what on earth is causing this problem? I've never experienced it > before. Off topic, I am afraid. I came across that problem years ago. It only occurred in Impression files saved in single file format. Saving them again in the old format, that's as applications, gave me back the Draw and Artworks files. Of course I tried to save them again as single files. Result: exporting was faulty. This behaviour was the same with several documents and repeatable. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:47:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128154 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:47:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960666887:20:11080:25; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:54:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114109; 10 Jun 2000 19:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05644 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:06:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05641 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:06:31 +0100 Received: from userfm15.uk.uudial.com (62.188.24.103) [62.188.24.103] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 130qaU-0001Kl-00; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:06:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:32:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cc763b84davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David, I think I have found a litle bug in the style/effect code for 2.59. If I load the bullets document, all appears OK - basefont of Homerton with Example style overlaying Oblique medium weight. If I go to the sytle editor for the example style and click OK (ie make no changes), the font selected switches to Homerton.Black.Oblique. Changing the Italic to Bold does not switch to the black font. Undo does not revert back to Homerton.Medium.Oblique. A little further examination shows in general that if I italic some Homerton.Medium text I get Homerton.Black.Oblique, whereas if I bold the same text I get Homerton.Bold. If I bold and Italic the text I (correctly) get Homerton.Bold.Oblique. I think this may have been a problem in earlier releases - it just wasn't as obvious. David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:47:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128159 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:47:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960698133:20:24518:16; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 04:35:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024499; 11 Jun 2000 4:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06784 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:29:19 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06781 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:29:14 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-217.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.217]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA96717 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:59:03 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:17:53 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: Using Ovation for emailing To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <49cb558ad6rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 08 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , > Peter Prewett wrote: > > I have been trying to use Ovation for emailing using the ANT suite and > > StrongEd but when saving text to the editor it cuts words, does not word > > wrap and when formatting it joins all the paras, deleting CR. > > > Are there any tricks to overcome this please. I used to use Impression > > with a font of Corpus at 12.25pt and saved as text with linefeeds on but > > the latter is not available in Ovation. > > I'm not quite sure what the problem is your end because Ovation Pro does > save out text properly wordwrapped here. Shift-F3 should give you a text > file with no line endings, but just paragraph breaks. Drag that into Zap > - or in my case Pluto - and the formatting should be done by the editor. > I am using 2.58 but Shift-F3 does not do anything:-(( Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:47:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128160 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:47:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960699475:20:04609:20; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 04:57:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004578; 11 Jun 2000 4:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06807 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:30:07 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06794 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:30:01 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-217.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.217]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA96798 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:59:46 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:55:17 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: Using Ovation for emailing To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <49cb597aa0barry@e-allen.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 08 Jun, Barry E Allen wrote: > In article , Peter > Prewett wrote: > > I have been trying to use Ovation for emailing using the ANT suite > > and StrongEd but when saving text to the editor it cuts words, does > > not word wrap and when formatting it joins all the paras, deleting CR. > > Why not just use StrongEd's !News mode in the first place? You get auto > word wrap and spell checking. Also reformatting of quoted text. > That is how I have it set up but I cannot get it do auto word wrap only by doing an edit in the line. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:47:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128163 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:47:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960751559:20:16070:16; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:25:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016064; 11 Jun 2000 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08414 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:59:55 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA08411 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:59:53 +0100 Received: from userey77.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.49) [62.188.19.49] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 131A9L-0005Lj-00; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:59:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:16:52 +0100 Subject: Re: RiscStation Lite Message-ID: <49ccf32c06steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <36CE74FB.33C306B8@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <36CE74FB.33C306B8@sees.bangor.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <36CE74FB.33C306B8@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > I would like to transfer Ov Pro to my new computer. Is it OK, > David, to keep it on my original system, for say 2 weeks?, until > I have got everything working ok? I'm trying desperately to imagine a circumstance where a PC user would bother asking, or even bother removing the old copy... Amazing honesty in the RO world isn't there? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:47:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128164 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:47:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960666902:11:22757:18; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:55:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122551; 10 Jun 2000 19:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05710 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:24:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05707 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:24:41 +0100 Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 130qs5-0006ai-0U; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:24:42 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:51:27 +0100 (BST) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: Charles Constantine In-Reply-To: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grampa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 07 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > I've uploaded a demo version of 2.59 and the Impression loader to > one of my web sites. snip. As a novice user of OPro - and fairly inept at most applications - dare I venture to comment? I have just loaded an Impression doc type bc5 of 3628980 size. And out came an OPro document 3.77m, 44 pages 9149 words and 5 chapters. It can't be saved, of course, but it can be printed. Printing not unreasonably required Opro to be told it was a pamphlet, and did not go quite as I had hoped; page size was reduced and some pages only partly printed - so I'll have to read the manual after all... Charles PS. Also just converted a 5.4M page of text and mainly graphics from Impression to OPro. -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscPC--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell Work: 020 7939 9452-Vox 020 7939 9469-Fax mailto:charles.barraball@dswark.org.uk http://www.dswark.org.u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:48:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128168 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:48:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960698914:10:19840:16; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 04:48:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019828; 11 Jun 2000 4:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06790 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:29:31 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06787 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:29:26 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-217.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.217]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA96736 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:59:14 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:57:10 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: Using Ovation for emailing To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <49cb558ad6rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 08 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , > Peter Prewett wrote: > > I have been trying to use Ovation for emailing using the ANT suite and > > StrongEd but when saving text to the editor it cuts words, does not word > > wrap and when formatting it joins all the paras, deleting CR. > > > Are there any tricks to overcome this please. I used to use Impression > > with a font of Corpus at 12.25pt and saved as text with linefeeds on but > > the latter is not available in Ovation. > > I'm not quite sure what the problem is your end because Ovation Pro does > save out text properly wordwrapped here. Shift-F3 should give you a text > file with no line endings, but just paragraph breaks. Drag that into Zap > - or in my case Pluto - and the formatting should be done by the editor. > How do I get Shift-F3 to work as nothing happens in my version (2.58)? Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:48:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128172 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:48:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960706851:11:24016:16; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:00:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024228; 11 Jun 2000 7:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07288 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:27:57 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07285 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:27:47 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-231.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.231]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08345 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:57:43 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:56:14 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: 2.59 location To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have decided to try the new impression loader could someone please give me the URL for it. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:48:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128173 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:48:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960805559:20:15342:46; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:25:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015798; 12 Jun 2000 10:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10515 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:05:43 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10512 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:05:41 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 131R6C-0002Ll-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:05:41 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA29337 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:05:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:06:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49cd708f1fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <128116@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <128116@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <128116@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Maybe I am thick but why shouldn't OP have copies of frames for > >Impressions repeating frames ? It would not work (i.e. repeat while > >editing) like Impression but it would look like it, so there. > Thats they way it should work, and the way I assumed it did work. > What I meant was that the frames can't auto repeat. > However I just checked and although repeating frames are reproduced > their contents are not. Yes - I had noticed that but assumed that that was because repeating frames were not supported. > So thanks for that, its another little wrinkle to iron out. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:48:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128174 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:48:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960712383:10:22764:16; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:33:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022745; 11 Jun 2000 8:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07598 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:31:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07595 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:31:11 +0100 Received: from userei98.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.10) [62.188.13.10] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13139A-00075L-00; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:31:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:24:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Font character order swapping Message-ID: <49ccddf0a6steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <126110@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <126110@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <126110@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Is there any _easy_ way of reordering the characters into the standard > >Acorn order? > Two guesses, FontEd (drag n drop), or there's a mapping file (encoding) > that lets you change the mapping between the font file and RISC OS? The latter is definitely the easier option, if you know the order you want the characters to map, edit one of the "encodings" files that produces something similar to your desired output, save it as "User" or some such and edit the messages file. The first line of the block labelled Encodings:base0,... needs the label you are going to use for your encoding, user will do :-) Then add a line to the end of the block user:User specified mapping=User T1ToFont will now use the mapping you specified in the encoding file "User" Simple innit? > David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From j_overett@hotmail.com Mon Jun 12 22:48:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128175 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:48:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960815694:20:15105:404; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:14:54 GMT Received: from f91.law4.hotmail.com ([216.33.149.91]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109552; 12 Jun 2000 13:10 GMT Received: (qmail 21103 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2000 15:42:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000609154244.21102.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.44.37.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 08:42:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.44.37.66] Reply-To: Jonathan_Overett@bigfoot.com From: "Jonathan Overett Somnier" To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Apply ruler button Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:42:44 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi David, I downloaded 2.59 demo - bullets work brilliantly, although it takes a little while to get your head around all the possibilities with paragraph levels, etc! Could I suggest that if you switch from bullet to numbering and back to bullet again that OvPro doesn't forget how you had set bullets up - it's a bit annoying to keep going back to an asterisk I found. While I was fiddling with bullets, I played around with the ruler bar in a style and found that when I tried to switch off the modified ruler by clicking 'apply ruler' in the Tabs section of the Edit Style dialog the ruler was still applied after OKing everything. The tab ruler was correctly no longer specified in the style description, but it was still applied. I tried this in 2.58 and the same thing happens - has this not been connected like the 'don't split hyphenation on the last line' button, perhaps? Keep up the really great work! Jonathan ==================================================================== Jonathan Overett Somnier 36 Trafalgar Street, York. YO23 1HZ Jonathan_Overett@bigfoot.com Tel : +44 (0)1904 640860 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 12 22:51:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128182 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:51:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960741707:10:26188:0; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:41:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1026094; 11 Jun 2000 16:41 GMT Received: from userey77.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.49) [62.188.19.49] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 131A8z-0005Lj-00; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:59:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: David Pilling Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:05:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: <49ccf21642steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <126151@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <126151@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R In article <126151@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >On a slightly different tack, while an Ovation Pro dicument enables you > >to have several instances of the same graphic within a document while > >only storing one copy, I believe the same is not true when generating > >PostScript. Every instance requires its own copy. I would be pleased to > >hear that I am wrong in this suposition. > I'd like to have another go at that one... since PS is a programming > language then the answer is that you can do it, rendering a picture > would be made into a procedure that is called more than once. > Of course you can't do any of this from the usual printer drivers, but > dedicated PS output from an application could do it. It would be quite > a neat thing to do. Given the work that Cerilica (and others) are doing, would it not be a good idea to write it as a printer driver: all applications could use it. Of course you'd do it as a chargeable item, might even be of interest to RISC OS Ltd for inclusion in later OS revisions. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 12 22:53:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128191 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jun 100 22:53:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960818789:10:23484:37; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:06:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022287; 12 Jun 2000 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11021 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:33:31 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11018 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:33:29 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 131ULE-0006gs-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:33:24 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA04105 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:33:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:34:16 +0100 Subject: Addition to site Message-ID: <49cd839689C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is a new applet by Roger Noble now available on the site (url below). This applet allows the sequential numbering of figures etc. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 02:10:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128235 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 02:10:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960853884:10:05651:16; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:51:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124962; 12 Jun 2000 23:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12612 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:49:30 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12609 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:49:25 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-214.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.214]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA19049 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:19:21 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:06:57 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Lines in Ovation To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro One small bug I find annoying with Ovation is the shadow lines that appear when editing documents. I know that one can get rid of them by using F12 and hence redrawing the screen, but is there any way that one can prevent them appearing in the first place. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 02:21:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128239 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 02:21:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960834527:20:16924:19; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:28:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123874; 12 Jun 2000 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11724 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:21:36 +0100 Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11721 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:21:34 +0100 Received: from angelwords.netkonect.co.uk ([194.164.3.172]:1026 "HELO angelwords.paston.co.uk") by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:17:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:57:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Gabriel Swords Subject: Save as Draw To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Gabriel Swords, Angelwords... 01603 504659 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello everyone... Has anybody done/or thinking about doing a 'Save as a Drawfile' option in OvationPro? I would find it really useful to have an option for saving pages as Drawfiles. Gabriel -- Gabriel Swords 01603 504659 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 02:21:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128242 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 02:21:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960840267:20:02850:17; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:04:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002837; 12 Jun 2000 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11998 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:00:07 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11995 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:00:05 +0100 Received: from modem-229.ecthelion.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.168.229] helo=goatly) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 131aNR-0005Fq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:00:05 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:47:00 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Save as Draw Message-ID: <3738a0cd49%ovation@goatly.fsbusiness.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Has anybody done/or thinking about doing a 'Save as a Drawfile' > option in OvationPro? Have you considered printing to PostScript and then rendering the PostScript with RiScript (in one of its incarnations)? Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 02:22:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128245 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 02:22:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960844534:20:26720:17; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:15:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116400; 12 Jun 2000 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12235 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:12:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA12232 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:12:41 +0100 Received: from userem24.uk.uudial.com (62.188.14.78) [62.188.14.78] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 131bVg-0007Zf-00; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:12:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:29:21 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Save as Draw Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Save as Drawfile can be done using !Riscript. Print from Ovation to a Postscript file and import into !Riscript. Then Export as a Drawfile. N.B This works for any DTP on any platform! If you try this and find the file difficult to use for your purpose, I am currently working on a program which will make the drawfiles easier to use. John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 14:17:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128274 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 14:17:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960864963:11:14146:16; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:56:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114111; 13 Jun 2000 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13219 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:53:34 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13216 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:53:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 131gpY-000Gmn-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:53:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:42:31 GMT Message-Id: <128267@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2.59 location X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have decided to try the new impression loader could someone please >give me the URL for it. http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/op259.zip http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/transimp.zip David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 14:17:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128273 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 14:17:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960864930:20:21232:16; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:55:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128700; 13 Jun 2000 2:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13229 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:53:36 +0100 Received: from ipgw.ifrinternational.co.uk (ipgw.ifrinternational.co.uk [194.202.211.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11582 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:12:36 +0100 From: Received: from saturn.ifrinternational.co.uk by ipgw.ifrinternational.co.uk (8.9.3/IPGW-8.9.3) id RAA26699; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:19:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk by saturn.ifrinternational.co.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/SATURN-8.9) id RAA11470; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:19:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccMail by ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5) id AA960826875; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:21:19 GMT Message-Id: <0006129608.AA960826875@ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:20:45 GMT To: Subject: Re[2]: ArcFax applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, David P. wrote >>Oooh. That sounds interesting. When you have a spare minute or >>two... >Well you have the ArcFaxFix module which looks at all calls to the >font painter whilst printing is going on. When it sees something it >understands like {FaxTo: Bob} it saves it away. Pardon me for being completely stupid..... but as the Arc Fax program can 'grab' something like {FaxTo: Bob} and act on it , could we go a stage further and include the text/number hidden in the document in its own area or something... Example If the sender does not wish the number or name to be visible to the recipient, would a blindingly simple solution be to have a text frame with a white text on white background (ie. invisible to humans) somewhere on the page? Thus the Arc Fax can see it but it does not intrude on the page Sorry if I have the wrong end of the stick here, flames welcome.. Nigel ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: ArcFax applet Author: at mismtpgw1 Date: 08/06/00 19:36 >Oooh. That sounds interesting. When you have a spare minute or two... Well you have the ArcFaxFix module which looks at all calls to the font painter whilst printing is going on. When it sees something it understands like {FaxTo: Bob} it saves it away. After a *command of ArcFaxFix_Write is issued the module sets various system variables ArcFax$FaxTo etc. to the values it has saved (you can soon *show ArcFax* or look at the module in Edit to see which ones). So I suppose you'd also need to alias the above *command (and its buddy ArcFaxFix_Clear which clears the saved strings). If you use the dumper version of the ArcFax driver, then the dumper issues the above commands, for the original ArcFax driver, the main ArcFax program does. The last time this came up, a team of crack Acorn software engineers was working on Peter Bondars (where is he now) futuristic home, some sort of network fax thing - glory days... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 14:17:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128275 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 14:17:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960864990:10:13308:16; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:56:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013256; 13 Jun 2000 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13230 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:53:39 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10111 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:08:44 +0100 Received: from modem-49.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.25.49] helo=localhost) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 131NOq-0000iP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:08:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:58:22 +0100 Subject: FontCat Message-ID: <49cd38e3d0simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm probably going over old groun - apologies if so. I'm using FOntCat 1.01, where according to the !Help file: [quote] 'Font catalogue.Options.Display' allows you to choose between 'Families only' which displays one member of each family normally, 'All fonts' which includes variants such as 'Extended' and 'All faces' which attempts to insert Italic, Bold and Bold Italic versions of each font (this is not very useful as, for fonts without these variations, it just prints the normal face). [endquote] It doesn't seem to do this: 'All faces' presumes font, italic, bold, bolditalic and displays faces to fit, whether a font has one or a dozen faces. 'All fonts' seems to do no different to 'Families only' - one line per family. I'd really like to be able to see all the faces as they exist. The applet gives no email for FontCat's author, David Williams, and he doesn't appear to have posted to theOPro list here, so can anyone else help? Cheers Simon -- Simon Jones BMus (Tonmeister) MIBS - Freelance Sound Recordist simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 14:18:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128279 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 14:18:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960870831:20:00749:16; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:33:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000509; 13 Jun 2000 4:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13692 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:31:18 +0100 Received: from teapot32.domain8.bigpond.com (teapot32.domain8.bigpond.com [139.134.5.180]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA13689 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:31:15 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot32.domain8.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ma659866 for MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, Melbourne. Ph.:03 9355 7959/Fax03 9355 7980 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am happy to report that my DnD print problem is now solved I removed all the applets and re booted I'm not sure which applet it was that caused the problem but as I gradually install them I will let you know Thanks for the input -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, 1/362 Bell St Pascoe Vale St Vic Aust. 3044, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 14:18:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128280 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 14:18:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960883325:20:22575:19; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:02:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022261; 13 Jun 2000 8:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14109 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:58:32 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14106 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:58:29 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 131laf-00031i-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:58:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:39:17 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Save as Draw References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Gabriel Swords writes >I would find it really useful to have an option for saving pages as >Drawfiles. > Why? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 17:33:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128300 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 17:32:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960909489:10:09942:17; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:18:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119473; 13 Jun 2000 15:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15097 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:10:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15094 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:10:35 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 131sKp-0001xF-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:10:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:49:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Save as Draw Message-ID: <49ce0e4532john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message , > Gabriel Swords writes > >I would find it really useful to have an option for saving pages as > >Drawfiles. > > > Why? I, for one, might use them for inclusion as adverts within another page - probably manipulated in some way. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs bespoke products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 21:02:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128315 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 21:02:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960926164:10:06010:16; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:56:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005668; 13 Jun 2000 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15750 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:51:37 +0100 Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15747 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:51:35 +0100 Received: from angelwords.netkonect.co.uk ([194.164.3.172]:1147 "HELO angelwords.paston.co.uk") by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:47:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:52:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Gabriel Swords Subject: Re: Save as Draw To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49ce0e4532john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Gabriel Swords, Angelwords... 01603 504659 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 13 Jun, John Cartmell wrote: > In article , > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > In message , > > Gabriel Swords writes > > > >I would find it really useful to have an option for saving pages as > > >Drawfiles. > > > > > Why? > > I, for one, might use them for inclusion as adverts within another page - > probably manipulated in some way. Same here... it's something I get asked to do quite a lot. RiScript doesn't always work with complicated pages - lots of halftones for example... -- Gabriel Swords 01603 504659 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 22:24:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128326 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 22:24:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960927199:10:25322:17; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:13:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116233; 13 Jun 2000 20:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15800 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:03:55 +0100 Received: from virtual1.giganet.nl (tarantula.giganet.nl [212.125.143.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15797 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:03:53 +0100 Received: from dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (dionysus.fw.cuci.nl [10.0.0.4]) by virtual1.giganet.nl (BuGless_3.01) with ESMTP id e5DK3nN30019 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:03:49 +0200 Received: from woltersd.cm.cuci.nl (woltersd.cm.cuci.nl [10.1.9.149]) by dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (8.9.3/BuGless_2.02) with SMTP id WAA04342 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:03:48 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:02:59 +0100 (BST) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <127822@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB15800 Status: R In on Wed 07 Jun, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I=91ve uploaded a demo version of 2.59 and the Impression loader to > one of my web sites. >=20 > The key thing here is that these are only of interest if you want to gi= ve > the Impression loader a try or look at the new stuff in 2.59. A demo ve= rsion > can=91t save documents to disc, and the Impression loader won=91t work = with > older versions of OvationPro. >=20 > In other words you can test things but you can=91t use them. >=20 > I=91d be interested in any feedback. The TransIMP loader has a !Help fi= le > inside it which explains things. I have tried a lot of documents and almost all went well. I am very impressed. There where some repeating errors. 1. If you use force to next frame !Publisher (!Publisher: Frame/Force to next in OvationPro: Enter or Misc/Insert/New page), there is one extra return at the top of the page in OvationPro, which should not be there. 2. The borders of frames are to thick. 3. A !ArtWork frame on a masterpage was lost. Dick Wolters =98=20 D.Wolters =20 Maastricht =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 13 22:24:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128329 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jun 100 22:24:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960930242:11:29973:16; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:04:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129665; 13 Jun 2000 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16049 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:02:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16046 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:01:59 +0100 Received: from usera861.uk.uudial.com (193.149.69.99) [193.149.69.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 131xos-0006LN-00; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:01:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:53:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: FontCat Message-ID: <49ce2fa58cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49cd38e3d0simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> References: <49cd38e3d0simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49cd38e3d0simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk>, Simon Jones wrote: > It doesn't seem to do this: 'All faces' presumes font, italic, bold, > bolditalic and displays faces to fit, whether a font has one or a dozen > faces. 'All fonts' seems to do no different to 'Families only' - one > line per family. I'd really like to be able to see all the faces as > they exist. The font determination code in OP is complex (and !FontCat :. suffers) but hopefully the attached basic program creates a suitable DDL file for loading into OP. OSCLI("*FONTCAT { > david }") O%=OPENOUT("file") I%=OPENIN("david") L%=0:R%=0 WHILE NOT(EOF#I%) a$=GET$#I% L%+=1 IF a$="Trinity.Medium" THEN R%=L% BPUT#O%,"FONT_"+STR$~(L%)+"={font """+a$+"""}" a$=GET$#I% ENDWHILE PTR#I%=0 L%=0 BPUT#O%,"STORY_115={story " WHILE NOT(EOF#I%) a$=GET$#I% L%+=1 BPUT#O%,"FONT_"+STR$~(R%)+""""+a$+""" {tab}" BPUT#O%,"FONT_"+STR$~(L%) IF INSTR(a$,"Bold")<>0 OR INSTR(a$,"Book")<>0 THEN BPUT#O%,"{bold 1}" IF INSTR(a$,"Italic")<>0 OR INSTR(a$,"Oblique")<>0 THEN BPUT#O%,"{italic 1}" BPUT#O%,"""abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"" {bold 0}{italic 0}" BPUT#O%,"{newpara}" a$=GET$#I% ENDWHILE BPUT#O%,"{endoftext}}" CLOSE#O%:CLOSE#I% OSCLI("SETTYPE file OVPDDL") You will need to copy this into a Basic Program. The program will create a workfile 'david' and a DDL file 'file' in the $ directory of the current filing system. Note I haven't tested this much but all appears to be OK - I suspect that in the case of, for example, Homerton.Narrow.Bold it will currently be wrong - perhaps I will leave this as a little puzzle for you. David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 01:05:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128337 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 01:05:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960935529:10:03565:17; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:32:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003480; 13 Jun 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16325 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:29:50 +0100 Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16322 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:29:47 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.246.215]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <20000613222905229011d06de>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:29:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:42:59 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Save as Draw To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 13 Jun, Gabriel Swords wrote: > On Tue 13 Jun, John Cartmell wrote: > > In article , > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > In message > > > , Gabriel > > > Swords writes > > > > > > I would find it really useful to have an option for saving pages > > > > as Drawfiles. > > > > > > > Why? > > > > I, for one, might use them for inclusion as adverts within another > > page - probably manipulated in some way. > > Same here... it's something I get asked to do quite a lot. > > RiScript doesn't always work with complicated pages - lots of > halftones for example... Would it not be very much better if the option was to save as VANTAGE files? Drawfiles per se must by now be out of date. JW -- ---------------- Viva RISC OS ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 01:05:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128341 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 01:05:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960936599:10:23064:16; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:49:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115858; 13 Jun 2000 22:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16418 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:47:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA16415 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:47:03 +0100 Received: from useret50.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.35) [62.188.17.35] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 131zSY-0002IO-00; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:47:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:40:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Save as Draw Message-ID: <49ce396f3cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , James White wrote: > Would it not be very much better if the option was to save as VANTAGE > files? Drawfiles per se must by now be out of date. Vantage Files are 'extended' drawfiles - they use the tag feature that has been available in the Draw file format to add-in the extra features that Vantage needs. There is no problem with draw format files. This is the same technique as apps like TableMate use to store their data. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 02:55:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128354 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 02:54:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960941400:20:20356:22; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:10:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129095; 14 Jun 2000 0:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16712 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:05:43 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16706 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:05:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1320ga-000Ous-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:05:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:27:02 GMT Message-Id: <128334@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. If you use force to next frame !Publisher (!Publisher: Frame/Force to >next in OvationPro: Enter or Misc/Insert/New page), there is one extra >return at the top of the page in OvationPro, which should not be there. Yes, this was pointed out earlier and I have now fixed it. >2. The borders of frames are to thick. A limitation explained in the !Help file. >3. A !ArtWork frame on a masterpage was lost. Interesting. Someone said this last week, and I tried it and it was OK. He then subsequently admited it went wrong in Impression too. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 02:55:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128355 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 02:54:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960941464:10:07539:16; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:11:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115444; 14 Jun 2000 0:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16713 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:05:48 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15678 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:22:09 +0100 Received: from s9302700.student.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id VAA03953 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:22:01 +0200 (METDST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:44:25 +0100 (BST) From: Maarten Ottens Subject: weird print error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I do have a very weird printing error. I've made a leaflet containg a coloured square frame (with a smaller white one over the top of it). For some reason my canon bjc 620 refuses to print the square frame. However both postscript and sprinter does show the square in their print files. The canon does print objects laying behind the square. Known problem? Maarten Ottens vormgever -- O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs a design house for 2d, 3d and 4d design Website : http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com Phone : +31-(0)626 744 077 e-mail : info@ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 13:40:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128359 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 13:40:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960947889:20:04314:16; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:58:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004134; 14 Jun 2000 1:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17129 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:55:14 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ([212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16210 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:39:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 22615 invoked by uid 101); 13 Jun 2000 21:16:29 -0000 Received: from user37-130.jakinternet.co.uk (HELO redhotant.com) (212.41.37.130) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 21:16:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:37:53 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Bug in Colour Applet? Message-ID: <27b333ce49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have found what appears to be a reliable repeating bug with the colour pallete. It appears everytime you open the colour viewer by clicking adjust on the pallete then click new colour, ener a name and click okay it crashes with a type=5. Does anyone else have this problem? Is it fixed in 2.59? Thanks, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>You still need the last file you removed. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 13:40:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128364 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 13:40:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960978822:20:00553:51; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:33:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000825; 14 Jun 2000 10:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18596 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:29:19 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ([212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18586 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:29:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 21288 invoked by uid 101); 14 Jun 2000 10:06:09 -0000 Received: from user48-115.jakinternet.co.uk (HELO worthy) (212.41.48.115) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 10:06:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:28:28 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <128086@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <128086@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >Could you extract the drawfile borders and place them in OP's border > >directory with unique and/or incrementing names - maybe have an > >extracted directory + inform user it has happened ? > > Yes, thats one way. Not ideal though. I'm not a big fan of the way > borders work, having them outside documents is asking for trouble. Is that the way it is now ? (Waiting for full OP to arrive.) i.e. if I use a private border and send a file to someone else it will fail ? The only other ways I can think of are embed within the file (Impression fashion) or use a referencing system as for graphics. Pop up a save box when converting to drag borders to /set referenced location. Hey what about a directory file format....... I was surprised how many Imp docs I have with borders and private borders - it's a feature that would save a lot of bother in converting. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 13:41:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128369 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 13:41:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960975345:10:00262:16; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:35:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000135; 14 Jun 2000 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17941 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:32:16 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17938 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:32:12 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-25.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.91]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27918 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:29:26 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:31:59 +1200 Subject: Re: Bug in Colour Applet? Message-ID: <49ce7513eftim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <27b333ce49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> References: <27b333ce49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <27b333ce49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk>, Mark Daniel wrote: > Hi, > I have found what appears to be a reliable repeating bug with the colour > pallete. [snip] > Does anyone else have this problem? Nope. tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 13:41:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128370 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 13:41:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960977117:10:27861:50; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:05:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113592; 14 Jun 2000 10:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18064 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:58:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18061 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:58:37 +0100 Received: from userb580.uk.uudial.com (userb580) [193.149.83.55] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1329wS-00056C-00; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:58:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:29:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Bug in Colour Applet? Message-ID: <49ce74cf8erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <27b333ce49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> References: <27b333ce49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <27b333ce49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk>, Mark Daniel wrote: > Hi, > I have found what appears to be a reliable repeating bug with the > colour pallete. It appears everytime you open the colour viewer by > clicking adjust on the pallete then click new colour, ener a name and > click okay it crashes with a type=5. Does anyone else have this > problem? Is it fixed in 2.59? I just tried it here and it works fine and doesn't crash. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 16:21:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128396 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 16:21:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960990303:20:12844:20; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:45:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103674; 14 Jun 2000 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19972 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:40:41 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17787 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:15:20 +0100 Received: from modem-52.rhodium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.38.52] helo=localhost) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 1328KV-0007RO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:15:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:16:14 +0100 Subject: Re: FontCat Message-ID: <49ce6e249esimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49ce2fa58cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <49cd38e3d0simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> <49ce2fa58cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49ce2fa58cdavidb@argonet.co.uk>, Mr Breakwell wrote: > The font determination code in OP is complex (and !FontCat :. > suffers) but hopefully the attached basic program creates a suitable > DDL file for loading into OP. > You will need to copy this into a Basic Program. The program will > create a workfile 'david' and a DDL file 'file' in the $ directory of > the current filing system. Note I haven't tested this much but all > appears to be OK - I suspect that in the case of, for example, > Homerton.Narrow.Bold it will currently be wrong - perhaps I will > leave this as a little puzzle for you. First impression is that it does exactly what is needed. Haven't had time to check the puzzle yet! The one small change i have managed to deduce is to add {tab} into > BPUT#O%,"""abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"" {bold 0}{italic 0}" - just makes it easier to read, I find. Many many thanks David. Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 16:21:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128397 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 16:21:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960990448:20:15129:17; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:47:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014978; 14 Jun 2000 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19975 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:40:42 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19971 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:40:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 132DPN-000Ikv-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:40:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:38:30 GMT Message-Id: <128392@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is that the way it is now ? (Waiting for full OP to arrive.) >i.e. if I use a private border and send a file to someone else it will >fail ? Correct. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 16:21:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128399 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 16:21:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960990411:10:07486:27; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:46:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006879; 14 Jun 2000 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19984 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:40:48 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17897 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:05:53 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl (ipc379a44f.dial.wxs.nl [195.121.164.79]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FW4ZWX01.43G for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:05:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:57:44 +0200 Subject: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Message-ID: <49ce71f124delink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <128334@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <128334@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >3. A !ArtWork frame on a masterpage was lost. > Interesting. Someone said this last week, and I tried it and it was OK. > He then subsequently admited it went wrong in Impression too. See the solution of Tonnie Demarteau, June 10. Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 16:21:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128401 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 16:21:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960990816:11:00679:24; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:53:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129810; 14 Jun 2000 13:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19983 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:40:46 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17414 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:58:24 +0100 Received: from modem-38.gold.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.59.38] helo=localhost) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 1324Jr-0002X8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:58:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:12:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Save as Draw Message-ID: <49ce15f0b3simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3738a0cd49%ovation@goatly.fsbusiness.co.uk> References: <3738a0cd49%ovation@goatly.fsbusiness.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <3738a0cd49%ovation@goatly.fsbusiness.co.uk>, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message you wrote: > > Has anybody done/or thinking about doing a 'Save as a Drawfile' > > option in OvationPro? > Have you considered printing to PostScript and then rendering the > PostScript with RiScript (in one of its incarnations)? Or (if you have RO4) print to PDF with Taborca (presuming you don't need more than 3 pages) then export as Draw from !PDF Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 18:41:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128415 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 18:41:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 960998622:10:27714:18; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:03:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027534; 14 Jun 2000 16:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20632 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:53:34 +0100 Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (smtp03.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20629 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:53:30 +0100 Received: from platt.gol.com (tc-1-2-091.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.91]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B72544078 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:53:14 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:53:38 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Save as Draw To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49ce15f0b3simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 13 Jun, Simon Jones wrote: > In article <3738a0cd49%ovation@goatly.fsbusiness.co.uk>, > Bruce Goatly wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > Has anybody done/or thinking about doing a 'Save as a Drawfile' > > > option in OvationPro? > > > Have you considered printing to PostScript and then rendering the > > PostScript with RiScript (in one of its incarnations)? > > Or (if you have RO4) print to PDF with Taborca (presuming you don't > need more than 3 pages) then export as Draw from !PDF > Have I missed summat with Taborca? The Help file is not at all helpful. WHere can I find step-by-step idiot's guide as to how to use this, please? TIA Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com RISC OS 4 and StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 19:50:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128420 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 19:50:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961005810:20:23167:16; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:03:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124440; 14 Jun 2000 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20918 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:00:17 +0100 Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20915 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:00:15 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.246.43]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <20000614175932229019gg1re>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:59:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:28:56 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Save as Draw To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49ce396f3cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 14 Jun, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article , > James White wrote: > > > Would it not be very much better if the option was to save as > > VANTAGE files? Drawfiles per se must by now be out of date. > > Vantage Files are 'extended' drawfiles - they use the tag feature that > has been available in the Draw file format to add-in the extra > features that Vantage needs. There is no problem with draw format > files. Understood. I don't have Vantage yet, but because of its bitmap capability I should imagine an OPro file vectorised through Vantage would faithfully capture blends, bitmaps, colours etc. I'm looking forward to seeing the fruits of the collaboration between DP, Cerilica and Alternative Publishing! JW -- ---------------- RISC OS aumenta la vida ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 21:42:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128427 for opro ; Wed, 14 Jun 100 21:42:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961014868:20:17794:24; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:34:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017880; 14 Jun 2000 20:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21289 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:29:57 +0100 Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-svc.virgin.net [194.168.54.143]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21286 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:29:54 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.72.35]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000614202851.GWUT22022.mta2-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:28:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:11:49 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: Bug in Colour Applet? To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <27b333ce49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 13 Jun, Mark Daniel wrote: > Hi, > > I have found what appears to be a reliable repeating bug with the colour > pallete. It appears everytime you open the colour viewer by clicking adjust > on the pallete then click new colour, ener a name and click okay it crashes > with a type=5. Does anyone else have this problem? Is it fixed in 2.59? > > Thanks, > Mark. > Not with me it doesn't Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 15 03:07:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128449 for opro ; Thu, 15 Jun 100 03:07:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961030104:10:29848:16; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:48:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029755; 15 Jun 2000 0:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21782 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:46:24 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21779 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:46:20 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-160.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.160]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA48328 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:15:17 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:15:20 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: 2.59 and Impression loader To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have over 1 Gig of Impression files many of them multicolumn inset with many frames (as titles, supportive text and pictures). As a late comer to this thread some of it may have been mentiond before. The problems I have are:- 1. I have a the main body of text did not come across in the correct position and a large amount of reformatting was required. 2. Fully justifying is handled in a different way, and as a consequence some words are put on another line, this partially may account for above. 3. Where I could get a title in a 7.4mm height box in Impression in Ovation I could only get it in a 8.1mm. This may be due Impression's ability to set the inset precisely where Ovation only allows align to be set to top etc. which incidentally does not actually put text right at the top, unless of course I may be missing soemthing. 4. I have some text in a transparent frame over a picture which shows some picture through the text, I have magnified it and not all just some areas, strange. I have not tried to print it as it is not possible yet. 5. I use repeat frames extensively and these also will require modification. I commend David for his efforts and will be buying the upgrade when it is released. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 15 13:08:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128453 for opro ; Thu, 15 Jun 100 13:07:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961035381:20:08793:26; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:16:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109061; 15 Jun 2000 2:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22075 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:14:26 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22071 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:14:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 132PAl-000GTE-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:14:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:09:56 GMT Message-Id: <128451@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2.59 and Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >1. I have a the main body of text did not come across in the correct >position and a large amount of reformatting was required. If you have any small files (typically files shorn of pictures) feel free to send them me. >2. Fully justifying is handled in a different way How exactly? >3. Where I could get a title in a 7.4mm height box in Impression in >Ovation I could only get it in a 8.1mm. This may be due Impression's >ability to set the inset precisely where Ovation only allows align to be set >to top etc. See the stuff in the 'pts' text file in the 2.59 archive on the new ability to set the first base line position for text frames. This does work properly, but even so Imp. seems to get more text in. >5. I use repeat frames extensively and these also will require >modification. I've now done this, maybe I'll update the Imp. loader file on the web site later this week. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 15 21:04:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128508 for opro ; Thu, 15 Jun 100 21:04:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961095173:20:05641:18; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:52:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005601; 15 Jun 2000 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24030 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:49:05 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24027 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:49:04 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 132ehL-0000NG-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:49:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:38:19 GMT Message-Id: <128502@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >David, 2.59 still underlines as misspelt the part of hyphenated words which >are placed on the next line - could this be corrected for the CD version as >although not a huge problem it is distracting. 8-) I guess I have enough requests for changes that if I did them all, the CD version would appear in a couple of years time. I also think that arranging for the CD version to be perfect is not on. I tend to think of it as another step along the way. A way of registering for the 'net based ongoing upgrades. After all the big idea for the future is that every day when you switch on your computer it will download the latest versions of all your apps. That'll be nice... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 15 21:04:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128509 for opro ; Thu, 15 Jun 100 21:04:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961095182:20:05825:18; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:53:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116776; 15 Jun 2000 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24025 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:49:03 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.62]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23664 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:51:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 57984 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2000 15:50:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000615155040.57983.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.44.37.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:50:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.44.37.66] From: "Jonathan Overett Somnier" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Testing 2.59 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:50:40 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, 2.59 still underlines as misspelt the part of hyphenated words which are placed on the next line - could this be corrected for the CD version as although not a huge problem it is distracting. Jonathan Overett ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 01:19:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128534 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 01:19:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961110687:11:10469:17; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:11:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110398; 15 Jun 2000 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24716 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:59:26 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24712 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:59:24 +0100 Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 132ibb-000AWE-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:59:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:56:53 +0100 (BST) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Automatic upgrades - please, no! (wasTesting 2.59) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <128502@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grampa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 15 Jun, David Pilling wrote: [snip--- snip--- snip--- ] > After all the big idea for the future is that every day when you switch on > your computer it will download the latest versions of all your apps. That'll > be nice... Well, David, I hope that is tongue-in-cheek mode firmly on. On another OS I get a nag screen that says someone has updates for my software , would I like to view them now or later. Every wretched time I run their software. Please, no! Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscPC--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell Work: 020 7939 9452-Vox 020 7939 9469-Fax mailto:charles.barraball@dswark.org.uk http://www.dswark.org.u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 13:59:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128545 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 13:59:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961121271:20:12287:16; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 02:07:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2105607; 16 Jun 2000 2:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25184 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 03:05:53 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25181 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 03:05:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 132lW2-000L1q-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 02:05:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:32:28 GMT Message-Id: <128539@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Automatic upgrades - please, no! (wasTesting 2.59) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I hope that is tongue-in-cheek mode firmly on. Not really. A lot of people are betting on the traditional personal computer being dead in the near future. Fast always on, 'net links will mean that you can do your word processing or whatever using a client server model. You'll still have a personal computer of some sort, but it will be little more than a smart terminal. For a lot of users there are great benefits - they won't be lugging lap tops full of sensitive documents around, because the documents will stay on a secure server. They'll be able to share documents with their colleagues. I've no doubt traditional PC's will survive for engineers and programmers. But for the average home/office user they won't. sad if you were around when the BBC micro etc came out, but letting some remote system sort out all the typical Windows problems with installing software and so on will be most peoples preference. >On another OS I get a nag screen that says someone has updates for my >software , would I like to view them now or later. Every wretched time >I run their software. I would make OPro like that, had I the time. But I'd let you turn off the feature. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 14:00:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128553 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 14:00:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961154878:20:27370:22; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:27:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129236; 16 Jun 2000 11:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26211 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:23:08 +0100 Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26208 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:23:00 +0100 Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id MAA27859 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:53:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m132pAA-000fDCC; Fri, 16 Jun 100 07:59 MET DST Message-ID: <3949BDA2.DDE00754@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:39:47 +0200 From: Jochen Konietzko Organization: Heinrich-Mann Gymnasium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: The Zoom's short memory References: <128539@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R A minor niggle: When I use OvPro's zoom, click on some other tool button, then go back to the zoom, the "Previous" button doesn't work in 2.53 to 2.58 (haven't tried this on 2.59); can this be fixed without too much hassle? Jochen Konietzko -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 18:56:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128573 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 18:56:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961164609:10:12520:16; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:10:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012433; 16 Jun 2000 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26650 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:02:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26647 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:02:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 132whJ-000H8U-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:02:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:35 GMT Message-Id: <128554@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Zoom's short memory X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A minor niggle: When I use OvPro's zoom, click on some other tool button, then go back >to the zoom, the "Previous" button doesn't work in 2.53 to 2.58 (haven't tried this on >2.59); can this be fixed without too much hassle? It does actually work just as it is supposed to i.e. the way Beebug specified it to work. Now thats not the way you think it should work, or I might think it should work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 18:57:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128578 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 18:57:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961166627:20:29099:17; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:43:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103056; 16 Jun 2000 14:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26817 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:30:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26814 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:30:13 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 132x8P-0003Hn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:30:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:02:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <128502@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Thu 15 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >David, 2.59 still underlines as misspelt the part of hyphenated words which > >are placed on the next line - could this be corrected for the CD version as > >although not a huge problem it is distracting. > > 8-) > > I guess I have enough requests for changes that if I did them all, the > CD version would appear in a couple of years time. > > I also think that arranging for the CD version to be perfect is not on. > > I tend to think of it as another step along the way. A way of registering > for the 'net based ongoing upgrades. > > After all the big idea for the future is that every day when you switch on > your computer it will download the latest versions of all your apps. That'll > be nice... If that means 2.59 version will not be bugfree on the CD I repeat my wish; let there be a problem free version on the CD also. There must be some left over tracks on that disk that allow you to put a matured 2.58 on it. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 18:57:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128580 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 18:57:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961173265:20:23004:24; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:34:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122265; 16 Jun 2000 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27242 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:26:36 +0100 Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27239 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:26:35 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05060 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:26:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:26:27 +0100 Received: by W12WCXI02 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:26:26 +0100 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA994D0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Testing 2.59 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:26:20 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ernst Dinkla [SMTP:ernst@dinkla.demon.nl] wrote: If that means 2.59 version will not be bugfree on the CD I repeat my wish; let there be a problem free version on the CD also. There must be some left over tracks on that disk that allow you to put a matured 2.58 on it. What does one mean by 'bugfree'. I think there are probably two sorts of 'bug' - (1) those that cause the program to crash (2) where the program does not do what you want it to do. Is the hyphenation / spell problem a bug - it could be removed if either spell checking or hyphenation are turned off. I would hope that the version on the CD should have no bugs of the first sort but as David suggested it would never appear if we waited for all the bugs of the second sort to be eliminated. Michael Hunter This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not u -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 18:57:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128579 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 18:57:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961166855:10:04228:28; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:47:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112445; 16 Jun 2000 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26874 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:43:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26871 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:43:11 +0100 Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([194.222.129.211]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 132xKw-0001QT-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:43:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Patricia F. Garner" To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:40:38 +0100 Subject: WordWorks Applet Message-ID: <49cf990216tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have been trying to get the !WordWorks Applet to work but have had no luck so far. Could some kind person send an idiot's guide? I can get the button onto to button bar but nothing happens when I click on it although I /think/ I have followed all the instructions. Next time I load OvPro the button has gone, in spite of saving as per the instructions. WordWorks has been "seen" whilst all this is going on. Using SA Risc PC, RISC OS4.02, Ovation Pro 2.58, WordWorks 1.06, !WordWorks Applet 1.02. Thanks, -- Tricia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 18:57:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128584 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 18:57:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961177262:11:29058:16; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:41:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129008; 16 Jun 2000 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27466 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:38:38 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27463 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:38:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 8010 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 17:38:36 -0000 Received: from userep43.uk.uudial.com (HELO userep43) (62.188.15.140) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 17:38:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:18:10 +0100 Subject: Re: WordWorks Applet Message-ID: <49cf9c71adrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49cf990216tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> References: <49cf990216tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49cf990216tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Patricia F. Garner wrote: > I have been trying to get the !WordWorks Applet to work but have had no > luck so far. Could some kind person send an idiot's guide? I can get > the button onto to button bar but nothing happens when I click on it > although I /think/ I have followed all the instructions. Next time I > load OvPro the button has gone, in spite of saving as per the > instructions. WordWorks has been "seen" whilst all this is going on. > Using SA Risc PC, RISC OS4.02, Ovation Pro 2.58, WordWorks 1.06, > !WordWorks Applet 1.02. Having !Wordworks 'seen' isn't enough. You need to have it loaded and a window open. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 21:24:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128597 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 21:24:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961179911:11:10942:21; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:25:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111589; 16 Jun 2000 18:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27674 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:22:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27671 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:22:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1330kt-000BBc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:22:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:01:14 GMT Message-Id: <128585@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >If that means 2.59 version will not be bugfree on the CD I repeat my >wish; let there be a problem free version on the CD also. There must be >some left over tracks on that disk that allow you to put a matured 2.58 >on it. Consider that 2.58 can't load files produced with 2.59. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 21:24:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128598 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 21:24:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961180777:20:16414:16; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016387; 16 Jun 2000 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27786 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:36:43 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27783 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:36:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 13794 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 18:36:41 -0000 Received: from userc990.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (194.69.109.194) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 18:36:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:48:16 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 Message-ID: <49CF3C52BE%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <128502@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <128502@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <128502@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > After all the big idea for the future is that every day when you switch on > your computer it will download the latest versions of all your apps. AIUI this is available on the PeeCee already. Ebot.com IIRC. > That'll be nice... Hm, that's a matter of opinion. ;-) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Next time, give 'the gift that keeps on giving': a female kitten. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 21:24:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128606 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 21:24:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961185836:10:27355:16; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:03:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027323; 16 Jun 2000 20:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28125 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:59:45 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28122 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:59:44 +0100 Received: from userel24.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.233) [62.188.13.233] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1332HH-0006LV-00; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:59:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:58:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 Message-ID: <49cfb0a8dasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA994D0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA994D0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA994D0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk>, Mike Hunter wrote: > What does one mean by 'bugfree'. > I think there are probably two sorts of 'bug' - > (1) those that cause the program to crash > (2) where the program does not do what you want it to do. No. Plain and simply, a bug is where the programme fails to do what it should, or does it wrong. Any instance of the program failing to do what the programmer never programmed it to do is an omission or "missing feature" There are a few "missing features" at present but given the time... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 16 23:28:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128613 for opro ; Fri, 16 Jun 100 23:28:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961193694:20:08471:16; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:14:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008160; 16 Jun 2000 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28458 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:11:04 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA28455 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:11:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 412 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 22:11:02 -0000 Received: from userav51.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.138.98) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 22:11:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:54:02 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Testing 2.59 Message-ID: <49CFB0352C%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA994D0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA994D0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA994D0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> Mike Hunter wrote: > Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > If that means 2.59 version will not be bugfree on the CD [snip] > I think there are probably two sorts of 'bug' - > > (1) those that cause the program to crash Which David tends to fix pretty sharpish. > (2) where the program does not do what you want it to do. IMO this is /not/ a bug. [snip] > I would hope that the version on the CD should have no bugs of the first > sort but as David suggested it would never appear if we waited for all the > bugs of the second sort to be eliminated. Surely 2.59 is simply the evolution of prior veriosn. AIUI David intends that the CD will be the base from which he continues to develop OPro. So IMO it doesn't matter greatly what version /is/ on the CD. We need to buy it to ensure that David /does/ continue to work on OPro. So I suggest we give David some slack & be grateful that we have such a 'direct line' to the programmer of an excellent app'. If we are not happy with the situation, perhaps we should all switch to Word & see how much notice M$ of our RFCs. ;-) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. Adolf Hitler -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 17 13:08:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128625 for opro ; Sat, 17 Jun 100 13:08:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961208874:10:08138:16; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:27:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008108; 17 Jun 2000 2:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29157 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:24:35 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29154 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:24:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1338Hh-000AHW-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:24:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:18:48 GMT Message-Id: <128623@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Testing the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Thank you for the useful feedback on the Impression loader over the last week. As a result I've fixed a few bugs and improved some things. I've uploaded the latest version to; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/transimp.zip David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 17 13:08:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128628 for opro ; Sat, 17 Jun 100 13:08:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961224136:10:01841:16; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 06:42:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129047; 17 Jun 2000 6:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29636 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:32:56 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29632 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:32:45 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-141.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.141]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23013 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 16:02:37 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 16:01:52 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: 2.59 and Impression Loader To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro More on my problem of loading a Impression file into Ovation 2.59 with a background picture showing through the text. I could edit the text in Ovation but it would still show. The file, in Impression, included a number of frames which were grouped, including the text in a transparent frame, just ungrouping and loading was sufficient to overcome the problem. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 17 13:10:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128634 for opro ; Sat, 17 Jun 100 13:10:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961234419:11:29812:16; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:33:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000958; 17 Jun 2000 9:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30043 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:28:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30040 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:28:22 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 133Etq-0001vw-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:28:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:28:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing the Impression loader Message-ID: <49d0004ecajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <128623@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <128623@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <128623@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Thank you for the useful feedback on the Impression loader over > the last week. As a result I've fixed a few bugs and improved > some things. I've uploaded the latest version to; > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/transimp.zip Thanks. It's looking good. Just a couple of quick comments: If I load (a particular document) into Ovation some fonts are not rendered correctly. If I load the same doc into Style the correct fonts are used. If I then load into Ovation the correct fonts are now used. I'm still getting the last line of text in a frame with a leading greater than previous lines (and sometimes dropping out of the frame). I can send a small (33K) document if required. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs bespoke products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 17 13:10:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128635 for opro ; Sat, 17 Jun 100 13:10:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961235983:10:24728:16; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:59:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106956; 17 Jun 2000 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30148 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:58:27 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA30145 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:58:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 7357 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2000 09:58:25 -0000 Received: from userck36.uk.uudial.com (HELO gateway.net) (62.188.154.78) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2000 09:58:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:57:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing the Impression loader Message-ID: <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49d0004ecajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <128623@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49d0004ecajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49d0004ecajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > If I load (a particular document) into Ovation some fonts are not > rendered correctly. If I load the same doc into Style the correct fonts > are used. If I then load into Ovation the correct fonts are now used. I have had exactly the same problem that John mentions, in my case using Publisher. If the Impression document is loaded with the Impression loader into Ovation, without Publisher being on the icon bar, some fonts are rendered incorrectly and contain some weird characters. If one loads the same document into Publisher first and then load the document into Ovation the fonts are displayed correctly. Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 17 15:48:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128652 for opro ; Sat, 17 Jun 100 15:48:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961251039:11:06326:16; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:10:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106248; 17 Jun 2000 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30696 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:03:09 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30693 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:03:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 133JBj-0006rf-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:03:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:57:53 GMT Message-Id: <128650@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing the Impression loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I load (a particular document) into Ovation some fonts are not rendered >correctly. If I load the same doc into Style the correct fonts are used. If >I then load into Ovation the correct fonts are now used. This sounds like you've got one of those fancy font managers, which spots the missing fonts for Impression files and makes them available. Presumeably you could prove this with a couple of F12, *foncat operations. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 00:33:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128659 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 00:33:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961271367:10:24905:16; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:49:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111058; 17 Jun 2000 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31449 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:47:09 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31446 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:47:07 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 133OYd-000N6R-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:47:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:40:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing the Impression loader Message-ID: <49d0385600john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9ce512d049%ovation@goatly.fsbusiness.co.uk> References: <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> <9ce512d049%ovation@goatly.fsbusiness.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <9ce512d049%ovation@goatly.fsbusiness.co.uk>, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> John Cartmell > wrote: > > If I load (a particular document) into Ovation some fonts are not > > rendered correctly. If I load the same doc into Style the correct > > fonts are used. If I then load into Ovation the correct fonts are now > > used. > I wnder if you are using Adrian Look's FontDir? IIRC it needs to be > given the chance to scan the document before the application tries to > render it; I noticed that this wasn't happening when OPro used the > Impression loader but loading into Impression first switched the fonts > on; the loader then worked fine. Guilty. Thanks for the clarification. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs bespoke products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 00:33:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128660 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 00:33:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961260517:20:10728:17; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 16:48:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128577; 17 Jun 2000 16:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31068 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:37:04 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31065 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:36:57 +0100 Received: from modem-11.edoras.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.171.11] helo=goatly) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 133Lab-0000BA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:36:57 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:51:59 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing the Impression loader Message-ID: <9ce512d049%ovation@goatly.fsbusiness.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> John Cartmell wrote: > If I load (a particular document) into Ovation some fonts are not > rendered correctly. If I load the same doc into Style the correct fonts > are used. If I then load into Ovation the correct fonts are now used. I wnder if you are using Adrian Look's FontDir? IIRC it needs to be given the chance to scan the document before the application tries to render it; I noticed that this wasn't happening when OPro used the Impression loader but loading into Impression first switched the fonts on; the loader then worked fine. Bruce Goatly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 00:34:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128683 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 00:34:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961417734:10:16114:20; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:28:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100573; 19 Jun 2000 12:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00430 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:19:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00427 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:19:26 +0100 Received: from userb578.uk.uudial.com (userb578) [193.149.83.53] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1340Vz-0002YT-00; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:18:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:16:09 +0100 Subject: !Wordworks and Bookmarks Message-ID: <49d11749bfrayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Since I installed !Wordworks, I've come across a problem when I double click on an image. Instead of bringing up the image window, I get an error message about an undefined bookmark. I uninstalled !BookMarks, but still get the error. Removing !Wordworks brings things back to normal and I can double click images again and bring up the window. It seems that !Wordworks is interfering with double click messages in some way. Any ideas, as I would like to use it? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 00:35:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128689 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 00:35:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961452830:10:15192:19; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:13:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105237; 19 Jun 2000 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01894 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:10:12 +0100 Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01891 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:10:10 +0100 Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id AAA16743 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:08:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m1341hU-000fBcC; Mon, 19 Jun 100 15:34 MET DST Message-ID: <394E1CDD.887CE692@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:15:10 +0200 From: Jochen Konietzko Organization: Heinrich-Mann Gymnasium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Zoom's short memory References: <128554@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling schrieb: > >A minor niggle: When I use OvPro's zoom, click on some other tool button, then go back > >to the zoom, the "Previous" button doesn't work in 2.53 to 2.58 (haven't tried this on > >2.59); can this be fixed without too much hassle? > > It does actually work just as it is supposed to i.e. the way Beebug specified > it to work. Now thats not the way you think it should work, or I might think > it should work. > Hmm, very cryptic; does this mean the memory loss is here to stay? Jochen Konietzko -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 00:50:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128706 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 00:50:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961438483:20:29285:23; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:14:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029296; 19 Jun 2000 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01386 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:13:12 +0100 Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-svc.virgin.net [194.168.54.144]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01383 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:13:10 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.68.22]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000619181022.ZJSV9384.mta3-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:10:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:12:49 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Document Loading To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi I have an occasional problem which has just occurred again. A document which is reused monthly, when the file icon is double clicked on, will not always load but freezes up the machine, (OP is already on the icon bar) which experience has shown is best cured by switching off and restarting. The same file, when dragged to OP on the icon bar, will load successfully. This is a monthly magazine, from which all the previous month's articles are deleted and new articles put in, leaving most of the frames as they are. Only guidelines are on the master pages, but most of the pages have a full page, (within the guidelines) three column, with column guides, frame, on to which single or linked columns will be placed as necessary. Saving out as a DDL file does clean up the document and it will then perform normally for a while, but it is then necessary to go through the document and redisplay all the column guides, as they get lost in the process. (Please accept my apologies for subjecting you all to such a harrowing tale of hardship.) Has anything similar to this happened to anyone else? How do I get this file into this state? Can anyone offer any suggestions? Thanks for any help. Best wishes to all Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 18:55:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128777 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 18:55:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961512207:11:00470:43; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:43:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003182; 20 Jun 2000 14:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03555 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:35:41 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03552 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:35:39 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FWG002AOJ6JVW@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:35:08 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:35:58 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: The Zoom's short memory In-reply-to: <394E1CDD.887CE692@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <82eca7d149.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 References: <128554@pilling.demon.co.uk> <394E1CDD.887CE692@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <394E1CDD.887CE692@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Jochen Konietzko wrote: > > > David Pilling schrieb: > > > >A minor niggle: When I use OvPro's zoom, click on some other tool button, then go back > > >to the zoom, the "Previous" button doesn't work in 2.53 to 2.58 (haven't tried this on > > >2.59); can this be fixed without too much hassle? > > > > It does actually work just as it is supposed to i.e. the way Beebug > > specified it to work. Now thats not the way you think it should work, or > > I might think it should work. > > > > Hmm, > very cryptic; does this mean the memory loss is here to stay? > It sounds to me that it works in a Beebug-way, which we don't like, not you, not me and i think also not David. So someone needs to rewrite it properly. David are you planning to do it somewhere in the (near) feature, it *is* quite irritating. regards. Steven M. Ottens Managing Director -- O'dd : Ottens' Dutch Designs - 2d, 3d and 4d designs Site : http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com/ Mail : info@ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 18:56:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128778 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 18:55:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961515629:21:08981:17; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:40:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026790; 20 Jun 2000 15:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03754 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:34:24 +0100 Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03751 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:34:22 +0100 Received: from in5972-211.staff.wlv.ac.uk ([134.220.211.187] helo=in5972.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 134Q28-0006c6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:33:48 +0100 Message-ID: <394F8EA8.2062@wlv.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:32:56 +0100 From: "M.L.Bellamy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Tab deletion References: <128554@pilling.demon.co.uk> <394E1CDD.887CE692@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <82eca7d149.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Here's a strange one involving tabs. Start a new document and change the font size to 10pt. Type 'ovation'. Bring up the tab ruler and set a tab at 60mm. Press tab and type 'pro'. So far, so normal. Now select the 'o' of 'ovation' and . As well as returning the 'o' to 12pt, as you would expect, doing this also removes the tab at 60mm! If you select any other letters (or indeed all the other letters) this doesn't happen, the letters simply revert to being 12pt. This happens with words other than ovation pro and tabs of 60mm, BTW :-). I find tab rulers and their dialogue boxes weird beasties anyway, but this surely isn't correct behaviour, is it? Matt -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 21:27:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128817 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 21:27:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961527192:10:02247:21; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:53:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121593; 20 Jun 2000 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04177 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:50:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04170 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:50:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 134T5l-000Kz9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:49:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:44:17 GMT Message-Id: <128810@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Zoom's short memory X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> very cryptic; does this mean the memory loss is here to stay? The point is that the way it works is 'correct' its not a bug, so it doesn't merit being instantly zapped. In fairness you didn't say it was a bug. I did actually once sit down and decide to change the way it works, but there's some catch, something in the way the program was designed. I don't think getting around that is hugely difficult, but its why there isn't a rapid remedy on offer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 21:27:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128818 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 21:27:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961527192:10:02295:18; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:53:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002258; 20 Jun 2000 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04176 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:50:21 +0100 Received: from spartha.spa.umn.edu (root@spartha.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02058 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:38:19 +0100 Received: from lanark.spa.umn.edu (allan@lanark.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.29]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e5JMblY15973 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:37:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from allan@localhost) by lanark.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25827 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:37:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:37:47 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Zoom's short memory Message-ID: <20000619173747.F25734@lanark.spa.umn.edu> References: <128554@pilling.demon.co.uk> <394E1CDD.887CE692@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <394E1CDD.887CE692@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de>; from kon@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de on Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 03:15:10PM + Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 03:15:10PM +0200, Jochen Konietzko wrote: > > David Pilling schrieb: > > > >A minor niggle: When I use OvPro's zoom, click on some other tool button, then go back > > >to the zoom, the "Previous" button doesn't work in 2.53 to 2.58 (haven't tried this on > > >2.59); can this be fixed without too much hassle? > > > > It does actually work just as it is supposed to i.e. the way Beebug specified > > it to work. Now thats not the way you think it should work, or I might think > > it should work. > > Hmm, > very cryptic; does this mean the memory loss is here to stay? Well, Beebug aren't in charge now, are they? G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-5040 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 21:27:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128819 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 21:27:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961527195:11:21972:16; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:53:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1121786; 20 Jun 2000 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04171 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:50:17 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00227 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:37:48 +0100 Received: from pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.121] helo=blueyonder.co.uk) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 133cu4-0003tF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:06:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([194.117.138.226]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:06:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Margaret Hughes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:05:55 +0100 Subject: Text and frame size Message-ID: <49d08d05a6margaret.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> References: <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro AS I hope my earlier post about testing the impresion loader shows I have unearthed what is for me a black hole. It appears that for a givem frame size I can only get a far smaller font size inside the frame with OPRo Than IMPublisher. By black hole this means I simply do not have a grasp of the factors affecting this. Is this because there is :- 1). An offset inside the frame which can be reduced ? 2). The leading/ horizontal gap between lines of text needs reducing ? 3). Another fact I haven't thought of ? I f anybody knows any fudges to increase the font size without overflow I'd be extremely grateful if they would share them as I'm running in difficulties designing some letter headings for a sports club with inelgible, microscopic sponsors in frames. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 21:27:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128820 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 21:27:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961527366:10:06329:18; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:56:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006207; 20 Jun 2000 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04391 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:55:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA04387 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:55:15 +0100 Received: from userd028.uk.uudial.com (194.69.109.231) [194.69.109.231] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 134TAY-0002Ff-00; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:54:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:49:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Wordworks and Bookmarks Message-ID: <49d1bf199bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49d11749bfrayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <49d11749bfrayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49d11749bfrayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > I uninstalled !BookMarks, but still get the error. Removing !Wordworks > brings things back to normal and I can double click images again and > bring up the window. > It seems that !Wordworks is interfering with double click messages in > some way. Any ideas, as I would like to use it? Upgrade to version 1.02 or change routine dclick to read: int dclick(int user, int view, int mx, int my, int mb) { if((mb==rct_clk)&&(caretchar()!=-1)) { call_wworks(1); return(0); } else{ return(mb); } } (its the if line that is changing - the caretchar()!=-1 has been added) David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 21:27:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128822 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 21:27:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961527805:10:16744:18; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:03:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106465; 20 Jun 2000 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04447 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:00:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04444 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:00:43 +0100 Received: from userd028.uk.uudial.com (194.69.109.231) [194.69.109.231] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 134TFr-0002R8-00; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:00:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:54:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: WordWorks Applet Message-ID: <49d1bf98d8davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49cf990216tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> References: <49cf990216tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49cf990216tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Patricia F. Garner wrote: > Next time I load OvPro the button has gone, in spite of saving as per > the instructions. WordWorks has been "seen" whilst all this is going on. Two Points: * The button needs to be saved (from the Macros setup) * WordWorks has to have an open window to respond to a double click (this is the same behavior as Impression) Send me a mail if you need any extra help David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 21:28:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128828 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 21:28:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961527132:20:14885:19; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:52:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113292; 20 Jun 2000 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04142 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:49:58 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31871 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:50:23 +0100 Received: from localhost ([213.48.134.126]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:51:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Margaret Hughes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:40:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing the Impression loader Message-ID: <49d048cdd4margaret.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> References: <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just tested it on A4 page size. It transdlates well but there is an oddity. At the bottom of the page I now get in my footer for the exam module Plus date and the copyright on the right hand side two frames but no text. It appears it translates oky but the fonts in OVRO must have a bigger gap between lines so I get overflow signs in these small frames. Is this correctable ? Can you alter the spacing between fonts or is there an internal offset in the frame box. I'd be grateful for nay suggestions as it appears the fonts translate fine but the diffrence in fonts causes a diffrence, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 21:28:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128829 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 21:28:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961527200:20:16005:17; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:53:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015825; 20 Jun 2000 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04159 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:50:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00121 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:53:48 +0100 Received: from useral98.uk.uudial.com (62.188.134.171) [62.188.134.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 133zB1-00078J-00; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:53:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:51:06 +0100 Subject: An extra, blank, page. Again perhaps? Message-ID: <49d10f806alionels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Now I thought that I had laid this one to rest long ago by paying attention to a few details like matching page layout to printing footprint but now I have a recurrence. Having upgraded from my original Bebug version of OP to 2.58 I now have a document (created on 2.51 IIRC) which is one page in landscape format containing, masterpage frame set to exact print margins aside, identical frames filling each of the four corners achieved by replication first horizontally and then vertically. Each frame contains a group of graphic frames, the dimensions of the bounding frame for each group was carefully worked out so as to fit the available space. I had carefully tuned the master page frame to provide a reference which would ensure the page could be designed without worry about that spurious extra page occurring. Now with the move to 2.58 I find that I have a blank page which will make printing out multiple copies of this design on special media somewhat tiresome. BTW I have printed this in the past without problem. They are event tickets and now more are needed, soonish unfortunately. Any ideas? RO 3.7 'till I get this and a few other things sorted then it will be time for RO4 and Kinetic (PD performance and stability is main the lure with this). Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, | Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/lionels | ZFC B+3 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 21:28:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128830 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 21:28:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961527302:21:19333:16; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:55:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017798; 20 Jun 2000 18:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04175 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:50:19 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04163 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:50:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 134T5j-000Kz9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:49:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:35:38 GMT Message-Id: <128806@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text and frame size X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1). An offset inside the frame which can be reduced ? By default text frames have an 'inset' of 1mm, reducing this to zero can help a lot. >2). The leading/ horizontal gap between lines of text needs reducing ? You can do that if you want - you can even have negative leading. >If anybody knows any fudges to increase the font size without overflow Presumeably if you're really stuck, with a small amount of text, enter it in Draw and load it as a graphic. And of course you could just make the frame a bit bigger! The above is about OPro on its own for new designs. When you start to talk about loading from Impression. 2.59 has a new feature that lets you change the first base line in a frame (see the pts file with 2.59 and the !Help file in the TransIMP loader). This will improve matters. Yet it still seems that Impression can squeeze a bit more text in. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 23:19:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128845 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 23:19:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961536055:20:09446:23; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:20:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129711; 20 Jun 2000 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05305 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:19:59 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05302 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:19:57 +0100 Received: from userez35.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.106) [62.188.19.106] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 134VQZ-0000Av-00; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:19:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:12:28 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 and the Impression loader Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Private borders If you have these in your file, can you not extract them and send them to someone else with the Ovation file? John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 23:19:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128847 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 23:19:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961534167:10:00614:36; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:49:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102213; 20 Jun 2000 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05127 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:47:03 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05122 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:47:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 134Uuk-0009WZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:46:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:40:15 GMT Message-Id: <128839@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab deletion X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I find tab rulers and their dialogue >boxes weird beasties anyway, but this surely isn't correct behaviour, is it? It is. Certain text parameters are defined at the start of a line when flowing text. Amongst them the tab ruler. You can select any number of bits of text in a line, and apply a different tab ruler to them, or a different leading. But only one value for these parameters is used for the entire line, and that is the value at the start. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 23:19:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128848 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 23:19:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961534770:10:14710:16; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:59:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114979; 20 Jun 2000 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05185 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:54:06 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05181 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:54:04 +0100 Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 134V1Y-00044X-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:53:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:23:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Text and frame size Message-ID: <49d1c7c72ftony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49d08d05a6margaret.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> <49d08d05a6margaret.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 18 Jun, Margaret Hughes wrote: > AS I hope my earlier post about testing the impresion loader shows I have > unearthed what is for me a black hole. It appears that for a givem frame > size I can only get a far smaller font size inside the frame with OPRo > Than IMPublisher. > By black hole this means I simply do not have a grasp of the factors > affecting this. Is this because there is :- > 1). An offset inside the frame which can be reduced ? > 2). The leading/ horizontal gap between lines of text needs reducing ? > 3). Another fact I haven't thought of ? > I f anybody knows any fudges to increase the font size without overflow > I'd be extremely grateful if they would share them as I'm running in > difficulties designing some letter headings for a sports club with > inelgible, microscopic sponsors in frames. Not sure about the Imp loader but when I was manually converting I had the same problem and it was down to the default setting of Opro having a 1mm inset on text frames, changed this to 0 and everything fitted. -- Tony Simons using RiscOS 4 on a proper Computer North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 20 23:20:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128850 for opro ; Tue, 20 Jun 100 23:19:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961538516:10:24332:17; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:01:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117125; 20 Jun 2000 22:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05516 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:56:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05513 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:56:21 +0100 Received: from userey81.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.53) [62.188.19.53] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 134Vzn-00029f-00; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:55:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:54:29 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro CD Message-ID: <013957d149.rwatki@rwatki.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At some point David is going to have to say OK this is it and release the so called definitive version of Ovation Pro on CD - hopefully we will all buy it. n days later (n being less tha 10) somebody will find a bug, anomaly or whatever so the process will continue if David has the energy and sufficient sales to make further development worth his while. But the CD will be a sort of stable resource and it could well be worthwhile to include the last two or three versions for reference and backward compatibility With all the space on a CD All the versions (plus !Ovation) could be put on! Silly idea but for histerical sorry historical reasons... -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk A kitten is for life... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 01:41:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128852 for opro ; Wed, 21 Jun 100 01:41:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961540558:11:02168:17; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:35:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005172; 20 Jun 2000 22:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05668 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:34:29 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05665 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:34:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 20251 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2000 22:42:14 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2000 22:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 29557 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2000 22:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.229) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 20 Jun 2000 22:33:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:33:25 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Tab deletion To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <394F8EA8.2062@wlv.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 20 Jun, M.L.Bellamy wrote: > Here's a strange one involving tabs. > > Start a new document and change the font size to 10pt. Type 'ovation'. > Bring up the tab ruler and set a tab at 60mm. Press tab and type 'pro'. > So far, so normal. Now select the 'o' of 'ovation' and effects>. As well as returning the 'o' to 12pt, as you would expect, > doing this also removes the tab at 60mm! If you select any other letters > (or indeed all the other letters) this doesn't happen, the letters > simply revert to being 12pt. This happens with words other than ovation > pro and tabs of 60mm, BTW :-). I find tab rulers and their dialogue > boxes weird beasties anyway, but this surely isn't correct behaviour, is > it? > > Matt At a guess you are selecting more than just the o - probably some invisible start of paragraph mark (or even the codes for the tab ruler) which then removes the tab ruler (a local effect of paragraph extent) when you remove local effects. Any other text selection avoids this as you are not right at the start of the paragraph. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 13:09:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128887 for opro ; Wed, 21 Jun 100 13:09:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961582083:10:04766:17; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:08:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004886; 21 Jun 2000 10:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07130 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:04:32 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07127 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:04:30 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 134hMT-0006jM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:03:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:58:24 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <128585@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Fri 16 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >If that means 2.59 version will not be bugfree on the CD I repeat my > >wish; let there be a problem free version on the CD also. There must be > >some left over tracks on that disk that allow you to put a matured 2.58 > >on it. > > Consider that 2.58 can't load files produced with 2.59. I do not mind. If 2.59 works well there's no problem. If there's a nasty omission in 2.59 (won't call it a bug) that is not in 2.58 I will use 2.58. I would not like to have 2.59 on the CD and still need to install upgrades from other sources to make it complete (will not call it bugfree). Then there's the unlikely, undesired chance that for what reason ever you may not be able to continue the development. It assures me that I have at least a version that I can use as long as my RPC lasts. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 13:09:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128888 for opro ; Wed, 21 Jun 100 13:09:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961582419:10:13830:32; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:13:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013291; 21 Jun 2000 10:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07192 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:11:18 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07189 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:11:09 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-207.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.207]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA43264 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:40:30 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:39:18 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: Text and frame size To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <49d1c7c72ftony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 21 Jun, Tony Simons wrote: > On 18 Jun, Margaret Hughes wrote: > > AS I hope my earlier post about testing the impresion loader shows I have > > unearthed what is for me a black hole. It appears that for a givem frame > > size I can only get a far smaller font size inside the frame with OPRo > > Than IMPublisher. > > By black hole this means I simply do not have a grasp of the factors > > affecting this. Is this because there is :- > > > 1). An offset inside the frame which can be reduced ? > > 2). The leading/ horizontal gap between lines of text needs reducing ? > > 3). Another fact I haven't thought of ? > > > I f anybody knows any fudges to increase the font size without overflow > > I'd be extremely grateful if they would share them as I'm running in > > difficulties designing some letter headings for a sports club with > > inelgible, microscopic sponsors in frames. > > Not sure about the Imp loader but when I was manually converting I had the > same problem and it was down to the default setting of Opro having a 1mm > inset on text frames, changed this to 0 and everything fitted. > Impression also allows the inset vertical as well as the horizontal, in a frame, to be set to a precise size which allows text to be put closer to the top of a frame. Or it appears that way, I have 100's of sub headings that will have to be tweeked. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 14:36:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128908 for opro ; Wed, 21 Jun 100 14:36:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961591130:20:04090:35; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:38:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003665; 21 Jun 2000 12:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07591 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:34:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07588 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:34:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 134jhc-000Cgy-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:33:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:24:40 GMT Message-Id: <128902@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I do not mind. If 2.59 works well there's no problem. If there's a nasty >omission in 2.59 (won't call it a bug) that is not in 2.58 I will use 2.58. But not on your 2.59 produced files you won't. However, I will put 2.58 on the CD. Doesn't cost me anything. 2.58 seems to have been stable enough. >I would not like to have 2.59 on the CD and still need to install >upgrades from other sources to make it complete (will not call it >bugfree). Just like Win NT 4, and the perpetrator of that is the richest and best liked company in the world. So how can it be wrong. >Then there's the unlikely, undesired chance that for what >reason ever you may not be able to continue the development. A lotto win, I can feel it... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 19:01:56 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128911 for opro ; Wed, 21 Jun 100 19:01:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961609646:10:05587:16; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:47:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115822; 21 Jun 2000 17:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08510 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:42:58 +0100 Received: from latimer.mail.easynet.net (latimer.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08507 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:42:56 +0100 Received: from hatfield.mail.easynet.net (hatfield.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.39]) by latimer.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0237753F05 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:42:26 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 95388 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2000 17:42:24 -0000 Received: from tnt-14-309.easynet.co.uk (HELO ) (212.134.25.53) by hatfield.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2000 17:42:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:41:36 +0100 From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text and frame size Message-ID: <8cc13cd249.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: <49d002f18drmking@ukgateway.net> <49d08d05a6margaret.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49d08d05a6margaret.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <49d08d05a6margaret.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> Margaret Hughes wrote: > AS I hope my earlier post about testing the impresion loader shows I have > unearthed what is for me a black hole. It appears that for a givem frame > size I can only get a far smaller font size inside the frame with OPRo > Than IMPublisher. > By black hole this means I simply do not have a grasp of the factors > affecting this. Is this because there is :- > > 1). An offset inside the frame which can be reduced ? > 2). The leading/ horizontal gap between lines of text needs reducing ? > 3). Another fact I haven't thought of ? > > I f anybody knows any fudges to increase the font size without overflow > I'd be extremely grateful if they would share them as I'm running in > difficulties designing some letter headings for a sports club with > inelgible, microscopic sponsors in frames. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > Have you checked the 'lock to page grid' option. Several of my Impression files were locked to page grid and gave me this problem. Switching it off in OvationPro cured it in most cases. Hope this helps Dave -- Dave Morrell Middlesbrough -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 19:03:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128912 for opro ; Wed, 21 Jun 100 19:01:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961599203:20:22144:59; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:53:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023313; 21 Jun 2000 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08078 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:43:34 +0100 Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08075 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:43:31 +0100 Received: from in5972-211.staff.wlv.ac.uk ([134.220.211.187] helo=in5972.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 134liX-0001XE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:43:01 +0100 Message-ID: <3950D441.38DD@wlv.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:42:09 +0100 From: "M.L.Bellamy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab deletion References: <128839@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > >I find tab rulers and their dialogue > >boxes weird beasties anyway, but this surely isn't correct behaviour, is it? > > It is. Certain text parameters are defined at the start of a line when > flowing text. Amongst them the tab ruler. > > You can select any number of bits of text in a line, and apply a different > tab ruler to them, or a different leading. But only one value for these > parameters is used for the entire line, and that is the value at the start. I see. What I was trying to do was apply a style to the line, but because the 10pt counts as a local change the style was going 'underneath' the text. Removing the local change to 10pt allowed the style to be seen, but produced this problem of tab deletion. It would be nice to have a 'Force' option on styles so that any local changes are overuled if (and only if) they clash with the style settings e.g. if there are no tab settings in the style, preserve the existing ones. Or maybe an effect palette to selectively remove effects (in this case, just the 10pt). As it was I had to manually change the font type, font size and tab settings for each line (they weren't in a single block unfortunately), which seems to defeat the idea of applying styles with a single keystroke. Matt -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 21:40:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128925 for opro ; Wed, 21 Jun 100 21:40:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961613085:20:18007:16; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:44:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113441; 21 Jun 2000 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08734 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:41:35 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08731 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:41:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 134pQt-0001Dh-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:41:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:34:17 GMT Message-Id: <128923@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text and frame size X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Have you checked the 'lock to page grid' option. Thats a good point. I suppose what you should do is set up the OPro page grid to be the same as in the Imp. document. DDL doesn't (and it is wrong) support some document preferences like the grid settings. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 21:41:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128927 for opro ; Wed, 21 Jun 100 21:41:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961617060:21:21881:16; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:51:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121820; 21 Jun 2000 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08920 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:47:43 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08917 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:47:41 +0100 Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 134qSs-0004lk-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:47:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:46:36 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Text and frame size To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA08918 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB08920 Status: R I think I can explain this thing. If you bring up a complete set of characters in a font=98e.g. in !Chars=98you will see that there are some irritatingly tall ones, such as the =DD (a capital Y with an accent on top).=20 At some early stage of its design, somebody at Computer Concepts took the view that we would never use these foreign characters, or if we did, the accents would just have to sit ABOVE the frame, and we could adapt ourselves to that unusual event at the time. At the equivalent moment, David (very unusually for him) took a bad decision=98to the effect that all text frames would have to be a bit taller than they would otherwise need to be, just in case we ever wanted a capital Y with an accent on top. And that is why there is always more space above the text in Ovation than in Impression, which makes problems for any Impression loader. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 23:00:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128932 for opro ; Wed, 21 Jun 100 23:00:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961622448:20:05886:29; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:20:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128220; 21 Jun 2000 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09179 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:09:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09176 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:09:12 +0100 Received: from userez21.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.92) [62.188.19.92] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 134rjk-0002l8-00; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:08:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: Ovation Pro Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:02:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Text and frame size Message-ID: <49d24f2a8cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Michael Talibard wrote: > At the equivalent moment, David (very unusually for him) took a > bad decision-to the effect that all text frames would have to be > a bit taller than they would otherwise need to be, just in case > we ever wanted a capital Y with an accent on top. Not bad - surely correct unlike most CC software that bent every rule, recommendation or standard in the book.... David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 22 01:44:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128933 for opro ; Thu, 22 Jun 100 01:44:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961625146:10:01258:17; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:05:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000920; 21 Jun 2000 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09356 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:01:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09353 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:01:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 134sY6-000Cs4-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:00:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:44:34 GMT Message-Id: <128928@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text and frame size X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >And that is why there is always more space above the text in >Ovation than in Impression, which makes problems for any >Impression loader. And so from 2.59, OPro offers you a choice of where the first baseline is placed - accent (as in previous versions) ascender (as Impression), fit, and lock to grid. See the 'pts' text file with 2.59... This is the same functionality programs like Quark offer. Even then Imp. gets more text in. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 22 13:29:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128971 for opro ; Thu, 22 Jun 100 13:29:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961669454:11:06208:18; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:24:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020978; 22 Jun 2000 10:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10653 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:17:50 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10650 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:17:43 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust22.tnt6.rtm1.nl.uu.net [212.153.214.22] with SMTP for id MAA10918 (8.8.8/1.19); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:17:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00a501bfdc32$c603da40$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <128928@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Text and frame size Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:11:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 21 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >And that is why there is always more space above the text in > >Ovation than in Impression, which makes problems for any > >Impression loader. > > And so from 2.59, OPro offers you a choice of where the first baseline > is placed - accent (as in previous versions) ascender (as Impression), > fit, and lock to grid. See the 'pts' text file with 2.59... > > This is the same functionality programs like Quark offer. > > Even then Imp. gets more text in. Maybe a solution can be found in slightly decreasing the leading. The default in Impression is 120%. Setting it to a value between 114% and 118% can do 'little miracles'. Setting the decreased value depends on the font or weight involved, because the maximum height of the shapes of the characters in a font varies from font to font. Pointsize is vertical height of the shape + 'designed' vertical white space, as far as I understand it. Example within Publisher: with a grid of 4mm or 4.2mm I could use a 10 points Trinity.Medium (perhaps it was Pembroke.Medium). When I wanted to use the Bold weight, without extra vertical white and retaining the grid lock in the columns, I reduced the leading as mentioned above (and made that value part of the style). Sorry, I can't give the exact measurements, because I don't have access to the documents/masterpages, writing this. OvationPro 2.58 offers a default inset of 1 mm for all sides, which can be set to 0 mm for all sides. No negative value allowed. Impression offers the possibility to set the horizontal and vertical insets independently, but it also allows negative values. BTW Very handy when you want to start a paragraph with a 'big' capital, without turning this into a drawfile, but I think, this makes the problem even bigger. Perhaps -I am not a programmer- a solution of the difference between Impression and OvationPro, described as: > >And that is why there is always more space above the text in > >Ovation than in Impression, which makes problems for any > >Impression loader. can be found in this area. Meaning increasing the values of the sides of the textframe to have a bigger textframe in OvationPro to compensate the 'loss' of space INSIDE the textframe and decreasing the value of repel OUTSIDE this bigger textframe with the same amount. Regards, mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 22 18:25:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128984 for opro ; Thu, 22 Jun 100 18:25:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961690529:10:25124:30; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:15:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024843; 22 Jun 2000 16:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11540 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:09:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11537 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:09:50 +0100 Received: from userb625.uk.uudial.com (193.149.83.100) [193.149.83.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1359Xb-0007Nk-00; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:09:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:28:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 Message-ID: <49d2887383steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <128902@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <128902@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <128902@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I would not like to have 2.59 on the CD and still need to install > >upgrades from other sources to make it complete (will not call it > >bugfree). > Just like Win NT 4, and the perpetrator of that is the richest and best > liked company in the world. So how can it be wrong. Quite. Service pack 6a (original 6 was buggy) anyone? > >Then there's the unlikely, undesired chance that for what > >reason ever you may not be able to continue the development. > A lotto win, I can feel it... Ah, you mean you could carry on and not worry about charging us for any development work ;-) Tell you what David, keep putting up each new version of 2.59 (or whatever) and we'll test it to death. Roll on the CD. Estimated cost? and a wild guess at a release date (month) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 22 18:25:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA128985 for opro ; Thu, 22 Jun 100 18:25:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961685579:20:04933:44; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:52:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106350; 22 Jun 2000 14:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11225 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:44:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11222 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:44:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1358DD-000Bjo-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:44:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:46:34 GMT Message-Id: <128979@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text and frame size X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OvationPro 2.58 offers a default inset of 1 mm for all sides, which can be set >to 0 mm for all sides. No negative value allowed. Impression offers the >possibility to set the horizontal and vertical insets independently, but it >also allows negative values. The fact that the horizontal and vertical insets can't be set independently in OPro has been a troublesome point for some people. However different horizontal and vertical insets will be preserved by the Imp. loader - it constructs a custom inset curve. I didn't realise Imp. allows a negative inset, I'll have to look into the consequences... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 22 21:37:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129000 for opro ; Thu, 22 Jun 100 21:37:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961699393:20:00448:18; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:43:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000446; 22 Jun 2000 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11889 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:38:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11886 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:38:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 135Brh-000K9Q-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:38:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:27:58 GMT Message-Id: <128988@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Roll on the CD. >Estimated cost? and a wild guess at a release date (month) ISTR saying here ukp 35 all inc and end of June. Clearly the date is going to slip. Best guess is by a couple of months. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 22 23:22:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129010 for opro ; Thu, 22 Jun 100 23:22:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961710475:20:06135:17; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:47:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006082; 22 Jun 2000 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12407 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:44:09 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12404 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:44:07 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust64.tnt4.rtm1.nl.uu.net [212.153.212.64] with SMTP for id XAA00344 (8.8.8/1.19); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:43:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00a601bfdc92$acf693c0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <128988@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Testing 2.59 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:41:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 22 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >Roll on the CD. > >Estimated cost? and a wild guess at a release date (month) > > ISTR saying here ukp 35 all inc and end of June. Clearly the date is > going to slip. Best guess is by a couple of months. Maybe you have time to implement a configure option in OvPro to make it impossible to use the effects 'Bold' and 'Italic' , be it by button, shortcuts or effects menu option. Meaning, that -if the user chooses to switch off the use of these effects- the user MUST choose the desired font weight from the fontmenu. In case of other or more font weights than the 4 standard ones, the user can protect himself against unwanted weights, choosen 'by accident'. I for one, would certainly use such a configure option to protect myself . Thanks for all your efforts to implement so many 'user wishes' in the new version, Regards, mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 23 15:00:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129031 for opro ; Fri, 23 Jun 100 15:00:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961768207:20:06971:18; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:50:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123303; 23 Jun 2000 13:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14193 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:45:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13451 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:53:28 +0100 Received: from wealdcom.demon.co.uk ([212.229.199.148]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 135OGm-00079P-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:52:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:51:47 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Murden Subject: TransImp To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi all, I'm a bit new to the world of Acorn and Ovation so excuse this post if the answer is obvious ! I dont have Impression but thought an Impression loader would be handy as many documents available to the 'public' are in Impression format. I have just downloaded a couple of 'Geralds Column' files, three actually, and all come up with an error message 'unknown object creator at line blah di blah' the line being different in each case. The files are of the ImpDoc type. Does the TransImp assume I have modules from Impression or does it work in a 'stand alone' fashion within Ovation ? -- SG Murden Crowborough East Sussex TN6 3BJ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 23 15:00:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129033 for opro ; Fri, 23 Jun 100 15:00:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961768216:20:06964:22; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:50:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123980; 23 Jun 2000 13:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14198 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:45:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14195 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:45:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 135TlW-000H60-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:45:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:04:15 GMT Message-Id: <129019@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransImp X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I have just downloaded a couple of 'Geralds Column' files, three actually, >and all come up with an error message 'unknown object creator at line blah >di blah' the line being different in each case. The files are of the ImpDoc >type Sounds like a bug in TransImp. It would be very interesting to have a copy of those files - where can I get them? >Does the TransImp assume I have modules from Impression No. >or does it work in a 'stand alone' fashion within Ovation ? Yes. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 23 15:43:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129036 for opro ; Fri, 23 Jun 100 15:42:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961769050:11:01541:50; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:04:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017793; 23 Jun 2000 14:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14315 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:01:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14312 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:01:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 135U15-000H2o-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:01:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:52:24 GMT Message-Id: <129028@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: instantly poping up the spell check X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>>What I would like to know is, can the pop-up window be configured to >>>pop up automatically like Pluto's spell checker, which I really like? >> How exactly does Pluto work? In Opro, if you have check as you type on, >> you type type type, make an error and it goes 'beep'. You can then hit >> control W and the spell check window will pop up with the error >> selected, and you can pick the correct word, press return and carry on. >In Pluto the window pops up immediately, in conjunction with a beep. You can get this effect by installing the script below in !OvnPro.Library Give it filetype B24 //-------------------------------8<------------------------------------------ int spell_beep(int user,int claimed,int code) { if(code==0x100) { fx(138,0,0xE0); fx(138,0,23); } return(0); } void main(void) { addeventhandler(0x306,0,"spell_beep"); } //--------------------------------8<---------------------------------------- David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 23 22:01:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129057 for opro ; Fri, 23 Jun 100 22:00:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961787310:21:05022:20; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:08:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105080; 23 Jun 2000 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15121 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:06:19 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14726 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:54:40 +0100 Received: from wealdcom.demon.co.uk ([212.229.199.148]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 135VmN-0002fj-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:54:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:44:22 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Murden Subject: Re: TransImp To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <129019@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 23 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >I have just downloaded a couple of 'Geralds Column' files, three actually, > >and all come up with an error message 'unknown object creator at line blah > >di blah' the line being different in each case. The files are of the ImpDoc > >type > > Sounds like a bug in TransImp. It would be very interesting to have a copy > of those files - where can I get them? > Try http://www.abacusline.demon.co.uk I downloaded Geralds Column Vol 13 No 10 and Vol 13 No 1 which has 2 Impression documents in it Regards, Stuart -- SG Murden Crowborough East Sussex TN6 3BJ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 23 22:01:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129058 for opro ; Fri, 23 Jun 100 22:01:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961787372:10:08775:17; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:09:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008577; 23 Jun 2000 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15124 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:06:21 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15120 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:06:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 135Ylw-000Hwj-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:05:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:01:57 GMT Message-Id: <129054@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransImp X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Try http://www.abacusline.demon.co.uk They do appear to load OK for me. But you do have to load them into 2.59. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 24 13:10:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129080 for opro ; Sat, 24 Jun 100 13:10:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961844629:20:14736:16; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:03:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014643; 24 Jun 2000 11:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16888 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:01:57 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16885 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:01:55 +0100 Received: from modem-111.massachusetts.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.72.111] helo=jaycee) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 135ngi-00055H-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:01:24 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:01:37 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Page deletion Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can anyone please tell me how to get rid of three blank pages at the end of a document - I have spent neraly an hour trying to delete them by different means, there are no text or objects in the frames and I am completely frustrated. Where, oh where, can I turn off this infuriating auto page insertion and deletion - it doesn't help and I don't want it! All I want to do is create a fixed length document of 24 pages and put frames and objects where I want to on those pages. I can only hope that it is possible to turn it off in the next incarnation more easily. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 24 16:13:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129099 for opro ; Sat, 24 Jun 100 16:13:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961854473:10:25291:16; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:47:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025211; 24 Jun 2000 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17345 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:46:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17338 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:46:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 135qFZ-000F46-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:45:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:32:22 GMT Message-Id: <129095@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page deletion X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can anyone please tell me how to get rid of three blank pages at the end of a >document - I have spent neraly an hour trying to delete them by different >means, there are no text or objects in the frames and I am completely >frustrated. main menu ->page ->Delete page... Why may this not remove the pages? You can't delete pages that have frames on them that have been manually linked to the rest of the document. The other scenario is that there is something forcing a text story into the extra pages - trivial example is text, like next frame codes. A bit more subtle is that there is an embedded object in a text story which is too big. Look at the frames on the last page for tell tale overflow arrows. >I can only hope that it is possible to turn it off in the next incarnation >more easily. Yes, you can look at the demo of 2.59 and see this is now provided. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 24 16:13:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129103 for opro ; Sat, 24 Jun 100 16:13:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961854514:20:08832:38; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:48:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008824; 24 Jun 2000 13:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17368 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:46:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17365 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:46:55 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 135qGN-000OTv-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:46:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:17:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Page deletion Message-ID: <49d3b0191cjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Charman wrote: > Can anyone please tell me how to get rid of three blank pages at the end > of a document - I have spent neraly an hour trying to delete them by > different means, there are no text or objects in the frames and I am > completely frustrated. > Where, oh where, can I turn off this infuriating auto page insertion and > deletion - it doesn't help and I don't want it! All I want to do is > create a fixed length document of 24 pages and put frames and objects > where I want to on those pages. > I can only hope that it is possible to turn it off in the next > incarnation more easily. Do you have frames covering most/all of previous pages? If so have you got Text flow Runaround set to None? -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs bespoke products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 26 22:44:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129113 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jun 100 22:44:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961874859:21:19946:16; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:27:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013306; 24 Jun 2000 19:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18226 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:24:42 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18223 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:24:40 +0100 Received: from s9302700.student.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id VAA05356 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:24:08 +0200 (METDST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:14:25 +0100 From: Maarten Ottens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: printing problems Message-ID: <0e41d6d349.m2o@s9302700.student.utwente.nl> X-Organization: 2komma18 User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, When printing cropmarks, quite often only the top cropmarks are printed through my inkjet (Canon BJC 620) While printing through postscript doesn't seem to suffer from this problem. A Printer or Ovation problem? Maarten Ottens -- w: http://www.2komma18.nl e: info@2komma18.nl t: +31(0)626 744 077 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 26 22:44:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129115 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jun 100 22:44:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961874927:20:15251:17; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:28:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121176; 24 Jun 2000 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18221 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:24:40 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18218 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:24:38 +0100 Received: from s9302700.student.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id VAA05329 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:24:00 +0200 (METDST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:08:26 +0100 From: Maarten Ottens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: irregular frames Message-ID: X-Organization: 2komma18 User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Running around irregular frames causes quite a lot of problems, while running around pictures (with the same shape) doesn't cause similar problems. Are frames more difficult to runaround? Maarten -- w: http://www.2komma18.nl e: info@2komma18.nl t: +31(0)626 744 077 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 26 22:45:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129127 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jun 100 22:45:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961953160:20:06449:19; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:12:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110720; 25 Jun 2000 17:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20696 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:09:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20693 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:09:44 +0100 Received: from usern489.uk.uudial.com (193.149.85.14) [193.149.85.14] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 136FuC-00060D-00; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:09:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr J W Lupton) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:07:36 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Drag and Drop Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Since upgrading to RO 4.02 (purchased at Wakefield), I've had a problem with drag-and-drop of text files into OPro. Essentially, OPro throws a wobbly, produces a post-mortem report, ignores my drag-and-dropped file, then settles down again as if I'd done nothing. The Postmortem appears in a task window, and I don't know how to cut-and-paste from that window, but (barring transcription and typing errors) this is what it says: Illegal address (e.g. wildly outside array bounds) Post mortem requested Arg1: 0x0000B418 46104 -> 0x00000080 0x3ee03680 0x00000464 0x00000000 881c in function ReceiveTranslate 8f40 in function WinMain 8964 in function main 3aa06a4 in unknown procedure 80d4 in anonymous function The penultimate and ante-penult values on the Arg1: line seem to depend on the size of the file - and the version of O-Pro I'm running... ....which leads nicely to the other oddity: If I load the test version 2.59, all is well: drag and drop works as expected. If I then also fire up 2.58 (my "normal" version), drag and drop still works OK for 2.59, but fails as above for 2.58. If I then quit 2.59 and restart it, drag-and-drop now fails! I assume that there is some module or other that's being shared or something. All I can find is that 2.59 burings in modules Universalkey, OvationUtils, ImageExtend,ArtworksRenderer and FontDraw. 2.58 also brings in Impulse ('cos I've tweaked the !Run file to force a Filer_Run of .Applets.!TransDDF. Any ideas what's gone wrong? Is it because I've not properly reinstalled O-Pro after upgrading? Jonathan L -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ jwlupton@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 26 22:45:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129129 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jun 100 22:45:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962001764:21:25637:16; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:42:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2029780; 26 Jun 2000 6:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22386 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:41:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA22383 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:41:35 +0100 Received: from userej98.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.109) [62.188.13.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 136SZp-0006Dg-00; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:41:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:59:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Drag and Drop Message-ID: <49d458af77steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Mr J W Lupton wrote: > Since upgrading to RO 4.02 (purchased at Wakefield), I've had a problem > with drag-and-drop of text files into OPro. Essentially, OPro throws a > wobbly, produces a post-mortem report, ignores my drag-and-dropped file, > then settles down again as if I'd done nothing. Sounds like a problem with the one of the Transloader applets - have a look at the version number/date of your copy of !TransDDF > I've tweaked the !Run file to force a Filer_Run of > .Applets.!TransDDF. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 26 22:45:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129134 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jun 100 22:45:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 961994239:10:23538:16; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:37:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120813; 26 Jun 2000 4:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22033 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:33:31 +0100 Received: from teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com [139.134.5.159]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA22030 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:33:28 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ha654765 for From: "Urban Promotions" To: Subject: Re: Drag and Drop Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:32:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Mr J W Lupton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Monday, 26 June 2000 5:08 Subject: Drag and Drop >Since upgrading to RO 4.02 (purchased at Wakefield), I've had a problem with >drag-and-drop of text files into OPro. Essentially, OPro throws a wobbly, I had the same problem I Got rid of the problem by deleting all of my applets I was not sure which one caused the problem so I got rid of the lot I will (Time Permiting) load the applets back in untill I find the one causing the problem but for now all is working of I still get the odd error 5 crash with PS files> _ Allan Butler_ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ >|__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / >| || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines >___________________________/ jwlupton@argonet.co.uk > > > > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 26 22:46:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129136 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jun 100 22:45:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962001620:10:18574:18; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:40:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110030; 26 Jun 2000 6:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22344 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:36:15 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA22341 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:36:13 +0100 Received: from usercq25.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.153) [62.188.156.153] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 136SUf-00064q-00; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:35:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:04:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Drag and Drop Message-ID: <49d44e26b5alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Jun, Mr J W Lupton wrote: > Since upgrading to RO 4.02 (purchased at Wakefield), I've had a problem > with drag-and-drop of text files into OPro. Essentially, OPro throws a > wobbly, produces a post-mortem report, ignores my drag-and-dropped file, > then settles down again as if I'd done nothing. I assume that you have installed the latest ROS RomPatches from ROS Ltd website. I think you will find it is the archive RO4Patch5/zip on the http://developer.riscos.com/public/Updates/ site. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 26 23:05:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129146 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jun 100 23:05:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962046345:10:10709:19; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:05:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010568; 26 Jun 2000 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24169 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:02:42 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA24166 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:02:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 8792 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2000 19:10:40 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 19:10:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 31866 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2000 18:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.200) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 18:58:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:55:54 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: printing problems To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <0e41d6d349.m2o@s9302700.student.utwente.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 24 Jun, Maarten Ottens wrote: > Hi, > > When printing cropmarks, quite often only the top cropmarks are printed > through my inkjet (Canon BJC 620) While printing through postscript doesn't > seem to suffer from this problem. > > A Printer or Ovation problem? > > Maarten Ottens > My guess is printer. I know HP inkjets have a large foot margin so te paper is still gripped by the feed mechanism while printing the last line. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 01:57:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129156 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 01:57:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962063635:21:02525:16; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:53:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102514; 26 Jun 2000 23:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25039 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:45:51 +0100 Received: from teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com (teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com [139.134.5.197]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25036 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:45:47 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ka199560 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, Melbourne. Ph.:03 9355 7959/Fax03 9355 7980 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 26 Jun, Mr J W Lupton wrote: > On Mon 26 Jun 2000 (02:32:26 +1000), urban1@bigpond.com wrote: > > > > > What I have noticed, though, is that removing the applets I never use (mainly > the ones with '-' at the end of the name) seems to speed up the start-up time > of OPro no end;-) > > Jonathan L Yes You're right I have noticed that myself It used to take for every, compared to Style I used to be an applet glutton but now I just load the one I realy use. On another point How do you get Drawfiles to be recognised as spot colour I do a lot of spot colour separations but draw is a problem I may mention this under a different Subject heading if there is little responce -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, 1/362 Bell St Pascoe Vale St Vic Aust. 3044, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 01:57:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129155 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 01:57:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962057684:10:02541:19; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:14:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129012; 26 Jun 2000 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24603 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:13:00 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24600 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:12:58 +0100 Received: from userad17.uk.uudial.com (62.188.131.60) [62.188.131.60] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 136h7C-0005IT-00; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:12:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr J W Lupton) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:08:48 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Drag and Drop Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 25 Jun 2000 (20:59:05 +0100), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: > In article , Mr J W Lupton > wrote: > > Since upgrading to RO 4.02 (purchased at Wakefield), I've had a > problem > > with drag-and-drop of text files into OPro. Essentially, OPro throws > a > > wobbly, produces a post-mortem report, ignores my drag-and-dropped > file, > > then settles down again as if I'd done nothing. > > Sounds like a problem with the one of the Transloader applets - have a > look at the version number/date of your copy of !TransDDF That's cracked it - many thanks! My old version of TransDDF was dated 1997. I've just downloaded the 1999 version from pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/filelib/index.html, and all seems to be well. Great! Jonathan L -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ jwlupton@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 01:57:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129157 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 01:57:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962057748:10:05106:26; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:15:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100052; 26 Jun 2000 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24608 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:13:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24605 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:13:00 +0100 Received: from userad17.uk.uudial.com (62.188.131.60) [62.188.131.60] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 136h7E-0005IT-00; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:12:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr J W Lupton) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:11:33 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Drag and Drop Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 26 Jun 2000 (02:32:26 +1000), urban1@bigpond.com wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mr J W Lupton > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Date: Monday, 26 June 2000 5:08 > Subject: Drag and Drop > > > >Since upgrading to RO 4.02 (purchased at Wakefield), I've had a > problem > with > >drag-and-drop of text files into OPro. Essentially, OPro throws a > wobbly, > > > I had the same problem > I Got rid of the problem by deleting all of my applets > > I was not sure which one caused the problem so I got rid of the lot > > I will (Time Permiting) load the applets back in untill I find the one > causing the problem but for now all is working of > Thanks for the hint. I've tried this, and it seems to be !TransDDF that causes the problem (see Steve Pampling's reply - I've updated my old version of !TransDDF and all is well). What I have noticed, though, is that removing the applets I never use (mainly the ones with '-' at the end of the name) seems to speed up the start-up time of OPro no end;-) Jonathan L -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ jwlupton@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 03:18:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129205 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 03:18:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962071373:20:19202:16; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:02:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114592; 27 Jun 2000 2:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25391 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:56:24 +0100 Received: from teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com (teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com [139.134.5.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA25388 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:56:21 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id za956513 for MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The Barcode applet causes a Type 5 error Can anyone help -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 03:28:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129208 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 03:28:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962072511:21:04013:16; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:21:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006092; 27 Jun 2000 2:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25517 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:49 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25503 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 136ky0-000Kjp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:02:29 GMT Message-Id: <129168@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drag and Drop X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Since upgrading to RO 4.02 (purchased at Wakefield), I've had a problem with >drag-and-drop of text files into OPro. This is the old thing about the !Server file in some trans loaders. See the document on OvationPro RISC OS 4 problems on my web site. As you've found getting the latest version of the loader from the web site is another solution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 03:28:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129209 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 03:28:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962072465:10:29991:16; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:21:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029821; 27 Jun 2000 2:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25484 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:31 +0100 Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.254.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22683 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:01:29 +0100 Received: from au04.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (au04.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.251.169]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5Q80xo12685 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:00:59 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200006260800.e5Q80xo12685@alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk> Received: from AU04/SpoolDir by au04.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (Mercury 1.47); 26 Jun 00 09:01:04 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by AU04 (Mercury 1.47); 26 Jun 00 09:01:02 +0100 From: "David Briggs" Organization: University of Portsmouth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:01:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Page deletion In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 Jul 00, at 12:01, John Charman wrote: > Can anyone please tell me how to get rid of three blank pages at the end of a > document - I have spent neraly an hour trying to delete them by different > means, there are no text or objects in the frames and I am completely > frustrated. > > Where, oh where, can I turn off this infuriating auto page insertion and > deletion - it doesn't help and I don't want it! All I want to do is create a > fixed length document of 24 pages and put frames and objects where I want to > on those pages. > > I can only hope that it is possible to turn it off in the next incarnation > more easily. > > JayCee > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Your computer appears to have time warped forwards to 12th July 2000. David Briggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 03:28:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129210 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 03:28:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962072503:10:01268:16; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:21:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115593; 27 Jun 2000 2:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25504 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:43 +0100 Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23661 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:14:07 +0100 Received: from StonarWeb (212-104-133-17.access.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.133.17]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id D53574FA2D for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:13:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by unknown with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.5 [Linux/i686]); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:19:06 BST X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:21:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Drag and Drop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49d44e26b5alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On a vaguely related subject, is there any possibility of being able to highlight, drag and drop from another application - especially a web- browser window? It would be a huge advance in using the internet for research and would offer a distinct advantage over Windows cut and paste. At the moment, having to save out a whole text file and edit out 90% of it seems very clumsy. -- Martin Devon Stonar -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 03:28:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129211 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 03:28:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962072527:11:15977:17; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:22:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001495; 27 Jun 2000 2:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25496 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:38 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22740 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:27:44 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.165.54]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA5AF1 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:26:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:18:56 +0200 Subject: OvationPro and ViewFinder Message-ID: <49d49c6be2delink@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Mr. Pilling, a few days ago I purchased ViewFinder, the full colour high resolution card for the RiscPC. OvationPro appeared to work very smoothly with it, until I tried to open a specific document containing an irregular frame. It turned out that only documents with irregular frames containing a graphic produce a type 5 error, quitting Ovation. Text is no problem. Switching off ViewFinder cures everything, but disables all the beautiful new screen modes, of course. Do you think this problem is solvable? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 03:29:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129212 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 03:28:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962072867:10:11338:16; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:27:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122646; 27 Jun 2000 2:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25551 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:20:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25532 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 136kyB-000Kjp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:05:17 GMT Message-Id: <129172@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: irregular frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Running around irregular frames causes quite a lot of problems, while running >around pictures (with the same shape) doesn't cause similar problems. Are >frames more difficult to runaround? No, the thing is likely to be that the two shapes are not identical to the nearest 1/72000'th on an inch. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 03:49:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129215 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 03:48:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962073700:10:08876:16; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:41:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109205; 27 Jun 2000 2:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25542 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25521 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 136ky1-000Kjp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:04:15 GMT Message-Id: <129170@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printing problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When printing cropmarks, quite often only the top cropmarks are printed >through my inkjet (Canon BJC 620) While printing through postscript doesn't >seem to suffer from this problem. >A Printer or Ovation problem? I'd favour the latter 8-) Obviously the guess is that the crop marks are outside the printer margins. Enable printer margins, enable pasteboard, see if the crop marks lie outside... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 27 03:59:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129216 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 03:59:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962074603:21:11049:19; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:56:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111004; 27 Jun 2000 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25563 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:20:04 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25537 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 136kyC-000Kjp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:19:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:07:20 GMT Message-Id: <129174@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro and ViewFinder X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >a few days ago I purchased ViewFinder, the full colour high resolution card >for the RiscPC. >OvationPro appeared to work very smoothly with it, until I tried to open a >specific document containing an irregular frame. >It turned out that only documents with irregular frames containing a >graphic produce a type 5 error, quitting Ovation. Text is no problem. >Switching off ViewFinder cures everything, but disables all the beautiful >new screen modes, of course. Thats very intersting. Firstly what does John Kortink have to say - the publicity said there would be no problems. In the situation you describe above, OPro reads the contents of the screen memory. There are a couple of possibilities, I've got something wrong, or Viewfinder doesn't support this, or maybe a bit of both I'm relying on some bit of RISC OS which viewfinder does not emulate correctly. ISTR one of the great things about Phoebe was that screen memory could be read faster so its not that illegitimate a technique. Clearly when printing OPro can't read screen memory, so I can easily flick a switch and render to screen through different code which won't have this problem, although it will be slower. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From m2o@2komma18.nl Tue Jun 27 14:55:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129226 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 14:55:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962092397:20:15847:6; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:53:17 GMT Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120304; 27 Jun 2000 7:52 GMT Received: from s9302700.student.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id JAA03290 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:52:53 +0200 (METDST) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:55:00 +0100 From: Maarten Ottens To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: irregular frames Message-ID: <118f23d549.m2o@s9302700.student.utwente.nl> References: <129172@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129172@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: 2komma18 User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R In message <129172@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Running around irregular frames causes quite a lot of problems, while > > running around pictures (with the same shape) doesn't cause similar > > problems. Are frames more difficult to runaround? > > No, the thing is likely to be that the two shapes are not identical to the > nearest 1/72000'th on an inch. > why should they be identical? Maarten -- w: http://www.2komma18.nl e: info@2komma18.nl t: +31(0)626 744 077 From m2o@2komma18.nl Tue Jun 27 14:57:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129234 for opro ; Tue, 27 Jun 100 14:56:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962092377:11:17715:0; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:52:57 GMT Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117563; 27 Jun 2000 7:52 GMT Received: from s9302700.student.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id JAA03243 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:52:51 +0200 (METDST) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:53:55 +0100 From: Maarten Ottens To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: printing problems Message-ID: References: <129170@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129170@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: 2komma18 User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R In message <129170@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >When printing cropmarks, quite often only the top cropmarks are printed > >through my inkjet (Canon BJC 620) While printing through postscript doesn't > >seem to suffer from this problem. > >A Printer or Ovation problem? > > I'd favour the latter 8-) > > Obviously the guess is that the crop marks are outside the printer margins. > Enable printer margins, enable pasteboard, see if the crop marks lie > outside... they are not, definitly not, it even prints a bleed and not the crop marks at the same position. Maarten -- w: http://www.2komma18.nl e: info@2komma18.nl t: +31(0)626 744 077 From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 28 14:22:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129287 for opro ; Wed, 28 Jun 100 14:22:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962157421:20:27114:22; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:57:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026945; 28 Jun 2000 1:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28748 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:51:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28745 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:51:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13770Q-000HuH-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:51:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 02:47:10 GMT Message-Id: <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Duplex printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone have any requests for added functionality to cope with duplex printing? This is going to happen very quickly because I need it 8-) It seems to me that it is necessary to rotate the second (back) page by 180 degrees. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 28 14:22:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129286 for opro ; Wed, 28 Jun 100 14:22:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962179593:11:26414:17; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:06:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021003; 28 Jun 2000 8:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29703 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:04:23 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29700 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:04:21 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.115] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 137Coy-00059D-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:03:44 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:03:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:02:56 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Duplex printing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Does anyone have any requests for added functionality to cope with > duplex printing? > > This is going to happen very quickly because I need it 8-) > > It seems to me that it is necessary to rotate the second (back) page > by 180 degrees. > I don't understand. Why do you need to do this for duplex printing? What kind of printing are thinking of? We do duplex printing all the time and use various methods, but I've never met this problem. Either you are using a single sided printer, printing odd pages, rerunning the stack to print the even pages or you are using a duplex printer. In neither case does the verso have to be inverted. Well, certainly not on postscript machines and I don't recall their being a problem using PCL. Most duplex printers have three duplex settings: off, short edge, long edge - so if you need inversion the printer will handle it. The postscript fragment we use is: statusdict begin true setduplexmode end statusdict begin true settumble end There is a problem in that I can't see how to modify the printer driver to pass this automatically. It would certainly be helpful for us to have settings in the print dialogue which allowed us to embed such fragments in the postscript stream. But this would surely require the application to take over some of the functionality which ought to be in the printer driver? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 28 14:22:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129290 for opro ; Wed, 28 Jun 100 14:22:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962166319:20:15901:16; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:25:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112543; 28 Jun 2000 4:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29107 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:22:51 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29104 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:22:44 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-23.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.89]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA15593 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:19:25 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:23:05 +1200 Subject: Re: Duplex printing Message-ID: <49d5d06b14tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Does anyone have any requests for added functionality to cope with > duplex printing? How do you mean? We've always just ps'd the file in ordinary pamphlet mode (because that's what it was) and chucked it at the printer. The pdf has the duplex functionality and seems to do all the rotation etc itself. This has worked since 2.46 at least. BTW, with Publisher it never worked. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From charles@nmalden.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 28 14:23:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129298 for opro ; Wed, 28 Jun 100 14:23:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962179673:21:19486:1; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:07:53 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119434; 28 Jun 2000 8:07 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 137Csv-000Ey5-0U for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:07:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:08:25 +0100 (BST) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: Duplex printing To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk In-Reply-To: <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grampa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] On Wed 28 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > Does anyone have any requests for added functionality to cope with > duplex printing? > > This is going to happen very quickly because I need it 8-) [snip--- snip--- snip--- ] David, I am barely sure what a printer driver is, but recall Mijas Software, John Something-or-other, specialising in software to run Just in case it is for once a helpful reaction... Charles Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscPC--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell Work: 020 7939 9452-Vox 020 7939 9469-Fax mailto:charles.barraball@dswark.org.uk http://www.dswark.org.u k From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 28 14:23:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129300 for opro ; Wed, 28 Jun 100 14:23:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962180280:21:12944:16; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:18:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001873; 28 Jun 2000 8:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29850 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:16:50 +0100 Received: from mghosting.co.uk (mghosting.co.uk [216.122.100.241]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29847 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:16:47 +0100 Received: from mld_server (user49-23.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.49.23]) by mghosting.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14833 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:16:10 +0100 (GMT/BST) Received: from 97.4.0.33 by mld_server ([97.4.0.87] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:09:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Duplex printing Message-ID: <49d5a332b0andy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49d5d06b14tim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49d5d06b14tim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.8) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0 - Registered to: Micro Laser Designs Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <49d5d06b14tim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > How do you mean? We've always just ps'd the file in ordinary pamphlet > mode (because that's what it was) and chucked it at the printer. The > pdf has the duplex functionality and seems to do all the rotation etc > itself. This has worked since 2.46 at least. BTW, with Publisher it > never worked. With OPro the printing order in pamphlet mode is front side sheet 1 , reverse side sheet 1, front side sheet 2, reverse side sheet 2 etc whereas Publisher prints all the first sides followed by all the reverse sides - ie designed for printing to a simplex printer then sticking all the sheets back through again. Most (all?) PostScript duplex printers can rotate the second side image by 180 degrees for landscape sheets by selecting 'duplex tumble' mode, by tweaking the PS feeds to include something like (pull the code from the PDF file for the printer) << /Duplex true /Tumble true >> setpagedevice I'm not sure about non-ps printers. Whilst on the subject of rotating throught 180 degrees, it would be useful to have work & turn output. ie print 2 x A4 pages on an A3 with one rotated through 180 degrees... Cheers all, Andrew -- _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * FINISHING FULL COLOUR, SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 28 19:48:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129324 for opro ; Wed, 28 Jun 100 19:48:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962205254:10:28586:16; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:14:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105494; 28 Jun 2000 15:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30857 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:11:28 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30854 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:11:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 137JUB-000Iun-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:10:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:37:08 GMT Message-Id: <129310@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Duplex printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I don't understand. Why do you need to do this for duplex >printing? I'm trying to print pamphlets. I've just got a HP 4050 LJ with duplex unit. Out of the box, upright pages will duplex OK in PS mode, sideways ones won't, as I said they need a 180 degree rotation. Nothing seems to duplex in LJ/PCL mode. > statusdict begin true settumble end I'm sure that tweeking the tumble mode would also be a solution to my problems. >There is a problem in that I can't see how to modify the printer >driver to pass this automatically. It is relatively easy to write scripts that will make OPro inject stuff into the PS stream, however not good practice. >Whilst on the subject of rotating throught 180 degrees, it would be useful >to have work & turn output. ie print 2 x A4 pages on an A3 with one >rotated through 180 degrees... If its just one page of the pair, then a small tweek to the imposition script will achieve that. If its rotating the whole sheet, then I think you just got that, because I did the work last night. The only question is whether to have one button 'tumble' which does just that, or to make it only tumble on odd sides. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 28 19:48:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129325 for opro ; Wed, 28 Jun 100 19:48:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962205256:20:28455:16; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:14:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026936; 28 Jun 2000 15:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30852 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:11:13 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ([212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA30226 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:03:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 2455 invoked by uid 101); 28 Jun 2000 09:19:41 -0000 Received: from user37-95.jakinternet.co.uk (HELO RiscPC01) (212.41.37.95) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 09:19:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:26:48 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Duplex printing Message-ID: <22d0a4d549.peter@RiscPC01.winnersh.fourcom.com> References: <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.42beta1 (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Does anyone have any requests for added functionality to cope with > duplex printing? > > This is going to happen very quickly because I need it 8-) > > It seems to me that it is necessary to rotate the second (back) page > by 180 degrees. If the printer has a duplexer, surely it knows whether to rotate the page, or not. None of the duplex printers I have encountered have required the software to do anything special about the page orientation. If you were just sending plain ascii files, or using Epson FX mode, (assuming the printer setup allowed it to be configured to duplex) then there wouldn't be any page orientation commands anyway. Page printers render the whole page before starting to print, so it is trivial for the printer to sort out the orientation. Why should the software make assumptions about the physical process of turning the page over - the printer might be designed to flip the page sideways rather than longways. -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 28 19:49:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129327 for opro ; Wed, 28 Jun 100 19:48:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962205265:20:24388:39; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:14:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127619; 28 Jun 2000 15:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30847 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:11:10 +0100 Received: from wide.horizon.nl (wide.horizon.nl [213.197.24.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29339 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:44:47 +0100 Received: from xat.horizon.nl (wide220.horizon.nl [213.197.25.220]) by wide.horizon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id HAA02169 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:44:09 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: wide.horizon.nl: Host wide220.horizon.nl [213.197.25.220] claimed to be xat.horizon.nl Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:43:43 +0100 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: Duplex printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <129283@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 28 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > Does anyone have any requests for added functionality to cope with > duplex printing? Yes, I do. I have two duplex printers here in my office: 1) Canon LBP 8-III (PS) 2) QMS 2060 (PS) I don't think that the second page needs to be rotated by 180 degrees as this is probably done by the software in the printer, but maybe it's a good idea to make this a configurable option. I use duplex printing a lot (having configured !Printer to do so). Also think of pamplet printing on duplex (which page goes where, etc.) Be carefull to drive the PS commands directly from the software, as it works differently on almost every printer. The best approach would be to have support for it in OPro and let the PS commands be handled by !Printers. If you want my QMS setup for OPro I can send you this. If you want I can do some tests here on my QMS. -- Paul Reuvers X-Ample Technology The Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 29 01:46:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129347 for opro ; Thu, 29 Jun 100 01:46:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962228874:21:18763:18; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:47:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003179; 28 Jun 2000 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31858 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:43:15 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31855 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:43:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 137PbV-000Ncd-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:42:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:28:09 GMT Message-Id: <129340@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Duplex printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for all the replies... what I did, was to create a new !Printers.ps.Feeds.HP.XXX file based on one of the existing ones, and with the commands Andrew Bissex suggested added to it. Duplex pamphlets now work perfectly. Presumeably this is a general way to insert such PS commands, and you get to pick them off the 'feed' menu in the printer configuration window. Even so the next version of OPro will probably have a 'tumble' button. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 29 01:46:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129348 for opro ; Thu, 29 Jun 100 01:46:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962230586:11:23508:16; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:16:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003599; 28 Jun 2000 22:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31995 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:14:56 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ([212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA31992 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:14:54 +0100 Received: from martinl.redhotant.com ([212.41.36.160]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:14:13 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:50:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Page deletion Message-ID: <49d5ee630dmartinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Charman wrote: > Can anyone please tell me how to get rid of three blank pages at the end of a > document - I have spent neraly an hour trying to delete them by different > means, there are no text or objects in the frames and I am completely > frustrated. > Where, oh where, can I turn off this infuriating auto page insertion and > deletion - it doesn't help and I don't want it! All I want to do is create a > fixed length document of 24 pages and put frames and objects where I want to > on those pages. > I can only hope that it is possible to turn it off in the next incarnation > more easily. Can you get a 'caret' on the extra pages? If so then press delete and the page will disappear. Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 29 13:12:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129351 for opro ; Thu, 29 Jun 100 13:12:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962265140:10:05985:17; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:52:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005855; 29 Jun 2000 7:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00686 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:46:37 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00683 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:46:31 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17029 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:45:47 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <395AFEAE.11E3EA5B@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:45:51 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page deletion References: <49d5ee630dmartinl@redhotant.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Go to view menu select show invisibles look at the top left corner of the "blank" page is there a small square with a circle inside it. If so you have a frame on the page before that is overflowing onto the blank page. Move your frames around until the blank page is clear. Martin Longley wrote: > In article , > John Charman wrote: > > Can anyone please tell me how to get rid of three blank pages at the end of a > > document - I have spent neraly an hour trying to delete them by different > > means, there are no text or objects in the frames and I am completely > > frustrated. > > > Where, oh where, can I turn off this infuriating auto page insertion and > > deletion - it doesn't help and I don't want it! All I want to do is create a > > fixed length document of 24 pages and put frames and objects where I want to > > on those pages. > > > I can only hope that it is possible to turn it off in the next incarnation > > more easily. > > Can you get a 'caret' on the extra pages? If so then press delete and the page > will disappear. > > Martin Longley > > -- > martinl@redhotant.com > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 29 21:39:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129373 for opro ; Thu, 29 Jun 100 21:39:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962307821:10:09673:16; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:43:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118491; 29 Jun 2000 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02444 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:01:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02441 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:01:27 +0100 Received: from userd026.uk.uudial.com (194.69.109.229) [194.69.109.229] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 137jYR-0005ir-00; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:00:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:47:05 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Duplex printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Jun 2000 (14:37:08), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > I'm trying to print pamphlets. I've just got a HP 4050 LJ with duplex > unit. Out of the box, upright pages will duplex OK in PS mode, sideways > ones > won't, as I said they need a 180 degree rotation. Nothing seems to > duplex in LJ/PCL mode. > I have been duplexing in postscript mode with both landscape and portrait orientations using an HP8100DN and the HP2100 driver from the latest !Printers. I print to file and then add PJL commands to trigger duplexing with either shortedge binding (for pamphlet) or longedge binding (for simple portrait). It is rather easy to get the settings wrong!! The printer driver must be set up for the paper size (not page size) and the orientation is always portrait. With Ovation go to the extended print menu - select pamphlet and fit to size. I also described an alternative approach using PSUtils in a recent Archive and there were sample PJL files on the Archive disk. To duplex in PJL mode I use our own !LjDuplex Software. John Evans -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 30 20:07:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129419 for opro ; Fri, 30 Jun 100 20:07:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962381613:10:25100:18; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:13:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024673; 30 Jun 2000 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04790 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:08:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04787 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:08:34 +0100 Received: from usercc61.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.73) [62.188.151.73] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1383Kk-0004b7-00; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:08:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:57:44 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Duplex printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 28 Jun 2000 (09:26:48 +0100), peter@bellfamily.org.uk wrote: > If the printer has a duplexer, surely it knows whether to rotate the > page, or not. None of the duplex printers I have encountered have > required the software to do anything special about the page > orientation. > If your pages are portrait and are to be bound along the left long edge, they will need to have the start of the front and back of each page at the same top edge of the paper. If the printer flips the paper lengthways, it starts printing the back at the bottom of the text. Experimentation will show that this is equivalent to a 180 rotation of the back. If the printer flips the paper about the long axis (eg A4 Paper in an A3 printer) this rotation is not required. The inverse is true of landscape printing. The Acorn (PCL) drivers print both text and graphics as graphics with the same raster orientation whether the text is in landscape or portrait. The Printer thus needs to be told whether to duplex the page for binding parallel to the short edge (pamphlet) or parallel to the long edge (portrait). One might imagine that Postscript printers should be able to determine the text orientation on the paper and hence the binding required - but text orientation can be language dependant - so in practice the printer expects the software to tell it which binding to use. In either case this is simpler than making the drivers print the back as a rotated image when required and enables changing from simplex to duplex without changing the layout of the pages in the driver. The DTP package does know this orientation but, as far as I can tell, there is no standard mechanism in RISCOS to pass the information to the printer - hence the confusion and the need to `tell the printer'. John P.S Impression and Ovation send pages to the printer in a different order. It is possible to Duplex Ovation documents using printer settings only, but Impression requires the page sequence to be changed. Our !LjDuplex will make these changes for PCL output and !PSUtils (which come with Ghostscript) will do the job for Postscript. Similar software is available for the PC! We are not alone! -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message