From ijm@clear.net.nz Tue May 2 22:01:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125662 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:01:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957048071:20:10615:5; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:41:11 GMT Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz ([203.97.32.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010083; 29 Apr 2000 22:41 GMT Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (b002-m012-p060.acld.clear.net.nz [203.167.200.252]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.6) with Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 10:39:33 +1200 (GMT) From: Ian J Melville Subject: Corrupted Installation Disk To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Hi David I have corrupted my Ovation Pro Installation disk trying to re install to a new hard drive and under RISC OS 4.2. My serial number is 03201 and the disk is version 2.46. I have been running the latest version. What I did was just plain stupid! How do I get myself out of this mess, please? Thank you -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-25-818-513 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz Webpage http://Ian_J_Melville.tripod.com _____________________________________________________________________________ 101 uses for a Bill Gates: 1: A book end From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:02:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125678 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:02:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957125311:10:04473:18; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:08:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108457; 30 Apr 2000 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27488 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:49:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27483 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:49:37 +0100 Received: from userah04.uk.uudial.com (62.188.132.189) [62.188.132.189] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12lzih-0004Ek-00; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:49:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:47:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Apr, Tim King wrote: > In article <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > would also like to send it as a PDF file. I have had a go at doing a > > ps2pdf using GhostScript, but couldn't seem to get anywhere. > ? In a task window - ps2pdf; space; shift drag the ps file; space; > type in the full address (and name) of what will be the pdf; return. > Or more simply download the frontend - !ps2pdf - from...? and drag the > postscript file onto it. Nothing could be easier. Thanks Tim. I tried it as you describe and it worked. Well, after a fashion. The PDF file, when viewed, had a number of problems. These included letters missing, very thick lines instead of the thin originals and the logo (a simple light grey figure) was unrecognisable. Do you know if this is a problem with !PDF or is it more likely to be a problem with the conversion process? Thanks again. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:02:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125677 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:02:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957134395:20:03419:24; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:39:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104629; 30 Apr 2000 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28417 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:23:25 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28412 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:23:21 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-38.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.104]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06848 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:20:42 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:57:01 +1200 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b78cabaftim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > Thanks Tim. I tried it as you describe and it worked. Well, after a > fashion. The PDF file, when viewed, had a number of problems. These > included letters missing, very thick lines instead of the thin > originals and the logo (a simple light grey figure) was > unrecognisable. Do you know if this is a problem with !PDF or is it > more likely to be a problem with the conversion process? Um, I'll guess !pdf? There are a couple of display options off the icon bar menu - 'accurate' sounds relevent ;-) I always check the file in Acrobat. It does a better job, and anyway, it's what your recipient is probably going to look at it in. BTW, when Taborca 1st appeared, I did a few comparison files against GS and found there were a couple of cases where GS did a much better job. Can't remember what they were though. Since GS is so easy I never bothered with Taborca again. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:02:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125686 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:02:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957137119:10:24324:16; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:25:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106594; 30 Apr 2000 23:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28705 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 00:06:00 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28700 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 00:05:58 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12m2mj-000FCw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:05:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:01:43 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Just checking my wishlist To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry to hang out dirty laundry in public; I was going to email David privately, but then thought "Maybe someone else is wondering about this too..." Like everyone else, I am really excited about the forthcoming version of OPro. I have been looking down my wishlist of functions, which will probably seem trivial compared with the high powered expectations of others in this group, but what the hey... I know some of these have been discussed in the past too: 1. Option on printing "Current Page only". I KNOW we have have range, and it is very nice, but sometimes it would be perfect to have the option to print the currently active page (ie where the cursor is.) 2. I remember the original Opro Promo flier... how much closer to the top of the list is widow/orphan control? On the rare occasions when I have to resort to doing lengthier work in Word/Publisher, it is a nice touch. 3. Button bar- as you know (me of the fill button request) I have everything up in the button bar, and have organised the bar so that there are 2 whole rows of icons, and 2 rows with only one icon in each; this way I can have the info palette kept up there too, in the grey environment, without it masking my work. Is there any way of completely integrating the info palette into the button bar, so that it does not sometimes get detached (sloppy mouse clicking is a major culprit!)? 4. A would-be-nice-but-not-really-true-dtp-stuff I use Fontasy and TypeStudio for text moulding and effects; any chance if building something like this into OP? 5. Fonts and user defined colour/orientation shadows? This aside, as always David, thank you for the unerring support and dedication we have all seen from you. Long may it continue. -- Paul Hutton A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125689 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:02:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957168772:20:01837:47; Mon, 01 May 2000 08:12:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110911; 1 May 2000 8:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29808 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:57:54 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29803 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:57:52 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.117] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12mB5S-0003fA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:57:50 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 01 May 2000 08:48:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:50:02 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: <96f6c2b749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think I've mentioned before that I sometimes have problems with images in documents which I then PDF. The image (e.g. a photo) is rendered extremely slowly in the PDF (i.e. a minute or two rather than instant, painfully drawing many tiny strips) and looks dreadful when its finished. I've now tracked down a workaround and perhaps someone can explain what is going on. If the postscript output is set to monochrome, or if I am printing separations, then there is no problem. If I convert the image to a jpeg, 24 bit colour RGB then it also works fine. But the 24 bits are important (16 bit doesn't work). It may be that what is happening is a nasty interaction with distiller, perhaps I've even got some of the morr arcane job options incorrectly set, but I wondered whether there is any difference in the way these images are rendered on the RISCOS side which might explain what is happening? While I'm here on the subject of images, a wishlist item: I often have to include small photos (mug shots) into documents and one of the painful parts is cropping, sizing and ensuring that the result is either around 300 dpi or 90 dpi (depending on whether the document is destined for print or screen display). In fact, I often have to convert a doucment from one dpi to the other. It would be really fantastic if one of the picture>process options was a 'downsample to x dpi) so this could be done in place at the point that the application 'knows' the effective current dpi. If I have a large photo which requires careful rendition then I would do the necessary sizing/processing before importing to OvPro, but I tend to use the scale/positioning/process facilities within OvPro to expedite document creation for these small pics. If I could downsample in-place it would save hours of time, calculation and trial and error work. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125692 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957173204:20:03308:26; Mon, 01 May 2000 09:26:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121809; 1 May 2000 9:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30036 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:08:42 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30031 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:08:40 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA16551 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:08:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:09:57 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49b78cabaftim@de-sig.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 30 Apr, Tim King wrote: > In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > Thanks Tim. I tried it as you describe and it worked. Well, after a > > fashion. The PDF file, when viewed, had a number of problems. These > > included letters missing, very thick lines instead of the thin > > originals and the logo (a simple light grey figure) was > > unrecognisable. Do you know if this is a problem with !PDF or is it > > more likely to be a problem with the conversion process? > > Um, I'll guess !pdf? There are a couple of display options off the > icon bar menu - 'accurate' sounds relevent I found the same thing. The pc it tried the pdf file on didn't have the same 'errors' so I concluded the problem was with !pdf too. Regards Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125693 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957183010:10:25261:17; Mon, 01 May 2000 12:10:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104265; 1 May 2000 12:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30494 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:08:42 +0100 Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30488 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:08:40 +0100 Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12mF0C-0000wG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 01 May 2000 13:08:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 25451 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 12:09:01 -0000 Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk (HELO ltsun0) (ljg@143.210.36.50) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 1 May 2000 12:09:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:09:01 +0100 (BST) From: Liam Gretton X-Sender: ljg@ltsun0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro In-Reply-To: <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > The PDF file, when viewed, had a number of problems. These included > letters missing, very thick lines instead of the thin originals The thick lines problem is, I believe, a fault of GS 5. If you can track down an earlier version, use that. Otherwise, don't use thin lines in your document - give them a 0.25opt thickness or something similarly thin. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125696 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957182934:20:15250:34; Mon, 01 May 2000 12:08:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111075; 1 May 2000 12:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30442 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:58 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30437 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:56 +0100 Received: from modem-116.pennsylvania.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.89.116] helo=jaycee) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12mExX-0008ED-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 01 May 2000 13:05:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:30:07 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Deleting pages Message-ID: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Having created a three page document which has text flowing over all three pages in linked frames - not the master frames - I find that when I delete sufficient text so that only two pages are required OPro will not allow me to delete page 3 because it says it contains linked frames. How can I unlink the frames so that I can delete them and the page?? JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125699 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957195005:10:16600:16; Mon, 01 May 2000 15:30:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107966; 1 May 2000 15:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31060 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31055 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:57 +0100 Received: from useri503.uk.uudial.com (useri503) [194.69.106.113] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12mI2B-0001qW-00; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:09:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Deleting pages Message-ID: <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk>, John Charman wrote: > Having created a three page document which has text flowing over all > three pages in linked frames - not the master frames - I find that when > I delete sufficient text so that only two pages are required OPro will > not allow me to delete page 3 because it says it contains linked frames. > How can I unlink the frames so that I can delete them and the page?? Click on the Link icon. Click on the link to the last page. Press Delete and the link will disappear. You can now delete the page. I have noticed that the 'Insert page' function doesn't quite work. If I want to add three extra pages and put 3 in the no of pages box, I only ever get one extra page added. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125703 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957197075:20:02677:314; Mon, 01 May 2000 16:04:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012995; 1 May 2000 15:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31213 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:49:54 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31208 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:49:52 +0100 Received: from modem-61.texas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.94.61] helo=jaycee) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12mISE-0006LV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 01 May 2000 16:49:51 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:51:36 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Spellchecking Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry to ask yet another question but I have only recently started in earnest to use OPro including transferring Impresson files (lots of them)..... When using the spelling checker it seems that you can only either add or ignore a word that the checker throws up - this would seem to be OK except that I do not want an ignore dictionary (perverse aren't I?); with Impression you could just go on to the next word but unless I am missing something obvious you can't do that with OPro - or can you? JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125705 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957197107:20:03520:171; Mon, 01 May 2000 16:05:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103650; 1 May 2000 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30963 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:04:49 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30958 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:04:48 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.99.11]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAI28799 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:09:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:54:47 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Just checking my wishlist To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 01 May, P Hutton wrote: > Like everyone else, I am really excited about the forthcoming version of > OPro. Can I seek some reassurance about continuing to upgrade OvPro? I have remained, so far, at v.2.55 because I recall reading somewhere that there was incompatability, if one upgraded further, with documents created with earlier viersions? How true is this? Are there work arounds? I still have Ovation on the icon bar because I have a small number of complex forms in Ovation files. Is the 'unease' I feel about resaving complex 'Ovation' forms as OvPro files foolish? (I could keep Ovation backups of such conversions but why waste space!) > This aside, as always David, thank you for the unerring support and > dedication we have all seen from you. Long may it continue. Hear, hear. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:04:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125707 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957201309:20:02683:1405; Mon, 01 May 2000 17:15:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126185; 1 May 2000 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31545 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:03:42 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31540 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:03:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 1701 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 17:07:20 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 May 2000 17:07:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 7287 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 17:02:54 -0000 Received: from 145.04-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.71.145) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 May 2000 17:02:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:23:34 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Deleting pages To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 01 May, John Charman wrote: > Having created a three page document which has text flowing over all three > pages in linked frames - not the master frames - I find that when I delete > sufficient text so that only two pages are required OPro will not allow me to > delete page 3 because it says it contains linked frames. > > How can I unlink the frames so that I can delete them and the page?? > > JayCee > This may not be your only, or even first, answer - but just in case everyone thinks that ... Make sure you are viewing the page boundary between pages 2 and 3. Click the Links tool in the toolbox (looks like a 3-link chain) and you will see grey arrows showing the links. Click on the one you want to delete so it is black, and press delete. Your page 3 may just disappear as there isn't anything which needs it, otherwise you can delete it. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:04:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125712 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957208446:20:01545:103; Mon, 01 May 2000 19:14:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2007474; 1 May 2000 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31617 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:18:50 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31612 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:18:48 +0100 Received: from modem-193.maryland.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.71.193] helo=jaycee) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12mJqG-0000of-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 01 May 2000 18:18:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 18:20:06 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting pages Message-ID: References: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk>, John Charman > wrote: > > Having created a three page document which has text flowing over all > > three pages in linked frames - not the master frames - I find that when > > I delete sufficient text so that only two pages are required OPro will > > not allow me to delete page 3 because it says it contains linked frames. > > > How can I unlink the frames so that I can delete them and the page?? > > Click on the Link icon. > > Click on the link to the last page. > > Press Delete and the link will disappear. > > You can now delete the page. > > > I have noticed that the 'Insert page' function doesn't quite work. If I > want to add three extra pages and put 3 in the no of pages box, I only > ever get one extra page added. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Thanks Ray - that worked. It also seems that only 'local' links stop you deleteing the page as there was still a master frame link on the page which I couldn't delete but the page itself deleted OK. Yes, I have noticed the 'effect' you mention - it doesn't seem to matter how many pages you tell it to add it only ever adds one. I have also noticed that even if you have a frame selected on (say) page 3 when you ask it to delete a page it gives the previous page in the delete box if there is too much of it on the screen - not too much of a problem if you know about it but if you are used to Publisher which deletes the page with the selected frame you can come unstuck. BTW I have not reported this to David as I assume he watches this mailing list and if he considers it necessary will pick up on items - maybe DP would confirm that. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:04:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125714 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:04:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957215134:20:01108:980; Mon, 01 May 2000 21:05:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2122568; 1 May 2000 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32186 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:54:31 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32181 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:54:29 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup009.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.41]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00639 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:55:34 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01bfb3a6$d072f100$2994a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <96f6c2b749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:49:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: >I think I've mentioned before that I sometimes have problems with >images in documents which I then PDF. The image (e.g. a photo) >is rendered extremely slowly in the PDF (i.e. a minute or two >rather than instant, painfully drawing many tiny strips) and >looks dreadful when its finished. I've now tracked down a >workaround and perhaps someone can explain what is going on. It would be helpful tp know the format of the image when it goes wrong. Is it RGB or CMYK, and what file format is used? Also, from what follows, do we assume that composite output was selected. If the image is a CMYK sprite, and output is composite, then the colours will often render incorrectly as RISC OS printer drivers cannot handle CMYK images. However, each separation, when separations are selected, is ai RGB 8-bit grey scale format, so no problem arises. Long live the day when RISC OS supports CMYK, preferably CMYK TIFF. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:05:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125717 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:05:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957206781:10:08779:16; Mon, 01 May 2000 18:46:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108870; 1 May 2000 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31954 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:42:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31949 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:42:44 +0100 Received: from usern611.uk.uudial.com (193.149.85.136) [193.149.85.136] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12mL9W-0003Q8-00; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:42:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:41:55 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Just checking my wishlist Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 1 May 2000 (14:54:47 +0100), waddell@which.net wrote: > Can I seek some reassurance about continuing to upgrade OvPro? > > I have remained, so far, at v.2.55 because I recall reading somewhere > that there was incompatability, if one upgraded further, with documents > created with earlier viersions? Go on - be brave! > How true is this? Are there work arounds? If you are working on your own there is no problem. All your old files will load into 2.58 as normal. The problem is that if you have to save them for someone else to read - e.g. on a network - they will not be able to read the files saved by 2.58 if they have not ungraded too. I did have this problem when for a short time I had 2.58 at home and an earlier version at work. It is possible to transfer to the older version using the DDL format, but it does require a little editing. This was several weeks ago, and I can't remember specifically which lines I had to delete, but if you need to know I could probably work it out again. > I still have Ovation on the icon bar because I have a small number of > complex forms in Ovation files. Is the 'unease' I feel about resaving > complex 'Ovation' forms as OvPro files foolish? (I could keep Ovation > backups of such conversions but why waste space!) Why worry either way? I have lots of old Ovation files. If I want to use one, I simply load it into OPro. If I change it and save it from OPro, no problem because I will then in future reload it as an OPro document. Having the old Ovation on the icon bar is just wasting memory space :-) HTH ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:06:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125724 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:06:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957271108:20:04245:981; Tue, 02 May 2000 12:38:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100964; 2 May 2000 10:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01534 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:05:09 +0100 Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01529 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:05:07 +0100 Received: from in5972-211.staff.wlv.ac.uk ([134.220.211.187] helo=in5972.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 12mZY9-0003dl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:05:05 +0100 Message-ID: <390EA844.3B8C@wlv.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:04:52 +0100 From: "M.L.Bellamy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro References: <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Thanks Tim. I tried it as you describe and it worked. Well, after a > fashion. The PDF file, when viewed, had a number of problems. These > included letters missing, very thick lines instead of the thin originals > and the logo (a simple light grey figure) was unrecognisable. Do you know > if this is a problem with !PDF or is it more likely to be a problem with > the conversion process? !PDF seems to have problems with lines and graphics. I typically use !ps2pdf to convert colour postscript files produced by OPro into pdfs to print on a non-postscript colour printer at work. These are nearly always jpegs in frames with borders of 0.25mm. In !PDF the frame borders (and shadows if activated) are displayed as thick rectangles and the graphics look like a greyscale relief map. On Acrobat they look fine on the screen, although there can be occasional discrepancies between the on-screen display and the printed page -- whether this is the PC's fault or some hidden problem with the conversion to pdf I don't know, but I've only seen the problem with drawfiles so far. Matt -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:06:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125728 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:06:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957271390:20:04345:1958; Tue, 02 May 2000 12:43:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103785; 2 May 2000 11:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01779 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:16 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01774 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:14 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA16057 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:18:00 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Spellchecking To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 01 May, John Charman wrote: > Sorry to ask yet another question but I have only recently started in earnest > to use OPro including transferring Impresson files (lots of them)..... > Did you see David Pilling's note to the effect that the next upgrade would include an Impression loader? Just in case you could wait a while and make the job easier... Regards Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:06:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125727 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:06:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957215631:10:13311:16; Mon, 01 May 2000 21:13:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013078; 1 May 2000 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32402 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 22:10:33 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA32397 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 22:10:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 3678 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 May 2000 21:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 28385 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 21:09:44 -0000 Received: from 43.03-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.70.43) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 May 2000 21:09:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:26:48 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Just checking my wishlist To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 01 May, John Waddell wrote: > On Mon 01 May, P Hutton wrote: > > > > > Like everyone else, I am really excited about the forthcoming version of > > OPro. > > Can I seek some reassurance about continuing to upgrade OvPro? > > I have remained, so far, at v.2.55 because I recall reading somewhere that > there was incompatability, if one upgraded further, with documents created > with earlier viersions? > > How true is this? Are there work arounds? I think the other way round - documents created with the later versions of OPro will not load into earlier versions, but old documents will load into all versions newer than the one they were created with. > > I still have Ovation on the icon bar because I have a small number of > complex forms in Ovation files. Is the 'unease' I feel about resaving > complex 'Ovation' forms as OvPro files foolish? (I could keep Ovation > backups of such conversions but why waste space!) I wouldn't expect any problems here, but why not convert a couple and make sure they are OK before deleting or over-writing the originals. Definitely a case for suck-it-and-see. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:06:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125733 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:06:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957288091:20:07910:136; Tue, 02 May 2000 17:21:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118379; 2 May 2000 17:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02646 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:15:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02641 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:15:23 +0100 Received: from usereb78.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.59) [62.188.10.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12mgGX-0005oy-00; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:15:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:10:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Spellchecking Message-ID: <49b87a1269pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Charman wrote: > Sorry to ask yet another question but I have only recently started in earnest > to use OPro including transferring Impresson files (lots of them)..... > When using the spelling checker it seems that you can only either add or > ignore a word that the checker throws up - this would seem to be OK except > that I do not want an ignore dictionary (perverse aren't I?); with Impression > you could just go on to the next word but unless I am missing something > obvious you can't do that with OPro - or can you? Don't you just click on without doing anything else? This replaces the unrecognised word with itself, leaving the spell-checker happy :-) The only problem is that, if you use the red-line underlining, this doesn't remove that. For myself, I have been more than happy with the ignore dictionary for the words I don't want permanently in the dictionary. HTH, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:08:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125743 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:08:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957252670:10:15169:16; Tue, 02 May 2000 07:31:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014936; 2 May 2000 7:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01043 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 08:27:54 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01038 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 08:27:52 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.83] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12mX5r-0002dL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 May 2000 08:27:43 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 02 May 2000 08:07:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:09:13 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01bfb3a6$d072f100$2994a8c2@akalat> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Mike Williams" wrote: > David Graddol wrote: > > >I think I've mentioned before that I sometimes have problems with > >images in documents which I then PDF. The image (e.g. a photo) > >is rendered extremely slowly in the PDF (i.e. a minute or two > >rather than instant, painfully drawing many tiny strips) and > >looks dreadful when its finished. I've now tracked down a > >workaround and perhaps someone can explain what is going on. > > It would be helpful tp know the format of the image when it goes wrong. Is > it RGB or CMYK, and what file format is used? Also, from what follows, do we > assume that composite output was selected. Yes, the problem arises with composite output and with practically any image format that I've tried. I'm not sure what determines whether an image is output as CMYK or RGB, but I get a problem with RGB sprites or jpegs set to RGB in OvPro's Picture>Process. The problem is not colour rendition per se (actually, the images in question are b&w). When distilled to PDF and viewed on the pc these images are rendered very slowly on the screen, as if they had been rendered at far too high a resolution and broken up into tiny strips. This is true even if distiller is set to downsample to 72dpi. The resultant PDF is unusable on the screen. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:09:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125745 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:08:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957259968:10:25444:87; Tue, 02 May 2000 09:32:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018434; 2 May 2000 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01314 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:03:02 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01308 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:03:00 +0100 From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07533 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:02:55 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id LAA16407 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Tue, 2 May 2000 11:03:30 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568D3.0030DE6A.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:03:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony van der Hoff on 28/04/2000 17:34:12 wrote:- > BillyGates had nothing to do with nutscrape though ;-) It's his fault there is the debacle over line endings though :-) opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote:- >Yes but you wouldn't mess about like that (it won't work correctly in the >general case), you'd just use the browser feature that allows direct >download to file (whichever browser you have) - wouldn't you? I agree it is dodgy messing like this, but it can be real hard work persuading NetScrap to save something as binary when it thinks it knows better. IE is slightly better in this area, but the whole thing is still a mess that shouldn't have happened. >I guess instead of bob/sea there would have been a lot less fuss if they'd been >called bob/exe (or something the browser would auto save to file). Or even us a zip file like most other people. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:09:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125747 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:09:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957288936:10:19794:58; Tue, 02 May 2000 17:35:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107392; 2 May 2000 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02566 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:01:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02561 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:01:06 +0100 Received: from usereb29.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.10) [62.188.10.10] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12mg2d-0005GA-00; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:01:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:59:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > > Or more simply download the frontend - !ps2pdf - from... Did anyone post this URL? If so, I missed it, and would welcome it. TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 02:14:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125773 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 02:14:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957301584:10:22906:16; Tue, 02 May 2000 21:06:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022798; 2 May 2000 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03213 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:01:44 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03208 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:01:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12mjna-000AWT-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:01:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 03:19:58 GMT Message-Id: <125657@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Label Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have been experimenting with making my own template, >but this has only been partially successful. There are two >problems:- > - Merge fields 4,8,12,16 will not accept a label Its a bug in the applet. It works by processing the DDL form of the document, and assumes that only one {merge } tag occurs in a line. In your case sometimes 2 occcur (4,8 etc are the last of a pair in a line). Workaround is to hack the DDL so that {merge 3}{newpara}{newpara}{newpara}{newpara}{newpara}{merge 4}{newpara} becomes {merge 3}{newpara}{newpara}{newpara}{newpara} {newpara}{merge 4}{newpara} Or rearrange the original document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 02:14:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125774 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 02:14:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957302371:20:18190:44; Tue, 02 May 2000 21:19:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018155; 2 May 2000 21:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03286 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:15:43 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03281 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:15:37 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-58.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.124]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25886 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:12:57 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:17:12 +1200 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b890b2b9tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b8790f93pnyoung@argon User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > > > > Or more simply download the frontend - !ps2pdf - from... > > Did anyone post this URL? If so, I missed it, and would welcome it. http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk/ Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 02:14:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125776 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 02:14:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957303104:20:01024:172; Tue, 02 May 2000 21:31:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102487; 2 May 2000 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03388 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:29:05 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03383 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:29:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 21035 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 21:33:12 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 2 May 2000 21:33:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 31199 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from 175.04-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.71.175) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 May 2000 21:28:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:44:47 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 02 May, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > > > > > > Or more simply download the frontend - !ps2pdf - from... > > > > Did anyone post this URL? If so, I missed it, and would welcome it. > > TIA, > > Peter. It was posted to this list on Thu, 20 Jan 2000 by Graham Jones in the thread "Re: PDF (was RTF) file __Quote__ I hope nobody minds me reminding you all that PDF documents can be created easily and at no cost on RISC OS as well - using Ghostscript and !Ps2PDF. Ghostscript has handled all of the Postscript I have thrown at it so far, except for possibly docs using the TeX/LaTeX fonts - the forthcoming Ghostscript 6 may even handle them. Simply run !Ps2PDF and drop your PS file on the icon ...... Ghostscript is at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript !Ps2PDF is at http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk __EndQuote__ Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 02:14:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125780 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 02:14:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957304488:20:22672:27; Tue, 02 May 2000 21:54:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022415; 2 May 2000 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03550 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:52:52 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03545 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:52:50 +0100 Received: from modem-2.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.2] helo=orchard-way) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12mkb3-00076R-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 May 2000 22:52:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:28:22 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting pages Message-ID: <60b891b849.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > > In article <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk>, John Charman > > wrote: > > > Having created a three page document which has text flowing over all > > > three pages in linked frames - not the master frames - I find that when > > > I delete sufficient text so that only two pages are required OPro will > > > not allow me to delete page 3 because it says it contains linked frames. > > > > > How can I unlink the frames so that I can delete them and the page?? > > > > Click on the Link icon. > > > > Click on the link to the last page. > > > > Press Delete and the link will disappear. > > > > You can now delete the page. > > > > > > I have noticed that the 'Insert page' function doesn't quite work. If I > > want to add three extra pages and put 3 in the no of pages box, I only > > ever get one extra page added. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ray D > > > Thanks Ray - that worked. It also seems that only 'local' links stop you > deleteing the page as there was still a master frame link on the page which I > couldn't delete but the page itself deleted OK. > > Yes, I have noticed the 'effect' you mention - it doesn't seem to matter how > many pages you tell it to add it only ever adds one. If you add pages in the middle of a document it adds the requested number. I think it objects to adding unnecessary blank pages at the end - they get added when the contents overflow into them. > > I have also noticed that even if you have a frame selected on (say) page 3 > when you ask it to delete a page it gives the previous page in the delete box > if there is too much of it on the screen - not too much of a problem if you > know about it but if you are used to Publisher which deletes the page with the > selected frame you can come unstuck. I too find the current page not always intuitive. Try scrolling down a document and watching the page number at the bottom - it doesn't increment where you would expect it to. > > BTW I have not reported this to David as I assume he watches this mailing list > and if he considers it necessary will pick up on items - maybe DP would > confirm that. > > JayCee > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:05:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125825 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 14:05:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957322298:20:16325:37; Wed, 03 May 2000 02:51:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115250; 3 May 2000 2:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04237 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:42 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04228 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12mpEJ-0000yD-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:49:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 03:17:02 GMT Message-Id: <125812@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I have noticed that the 'Insert page' function doesn't quite work. If I >want to add three extra pages and put 3 in the no of pages box, I only >ever get one extra page added. Depends how you look at things... In OPro auto page removal is always on. So normally you insert three pages, all the text flows up through the three new pages and three pages get dropped off the end. BUT if your document has local frames on the pages this might not happen and in any case you'd see that three pages had been inserted. Insert/delete pages are provided for dealing with this sort of situation, not for the "I feel like a document 6 pages long lets construct it" scenario. There is one exception if a document has master pages with no auto link chains then auto page removal is not active, and insert pages just does that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:05:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125826 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 14:05:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957322299:20:16325:58; Wed, 03 May 2000 02:51:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016481; 3 May 2000 2:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04252 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:49 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04240 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12mpEM-0000yD-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:49:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 03:26:19 GMT Message-Id: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think I've mentioned before that I sometimes have problems with >images in documents which I then PDF. The image (e.g. a photo) >is rendered extremely slowly in the PDF (i.e. a minute or two >rather than instant, painfully drawing many tiny strips) This all sounds a bit like the usual lament for PostScript files in which colour sprites with masks are rendered. In which case there is some understanding, a few workarounds, and a fundamental problem known. I'd probably try to sell you the idea of saving your images as EPS from David Pilling's scanning software, and importing the EPS into OPro, that will bypass the RISC OS printer driver code, but it won't support masked images. >the painful parts is cropping, sizing and ensuring that the result >is either around 300 dpi or 90 dpi (depending on whether the >document is destined for print or screen display). This is doable, but why is it necessary. PS should be resolution independent. i.e. the printer driver should be bridging the resolutions. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:05:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125827 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 14:05:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957322365:20:17305:35; Wed, 03 May 2000 02:52:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115964; 3 May 2000 2:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04254 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04247 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:45 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12mpEO-0000yD-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:49:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 03:31:41 GMT Message-Id: <125818@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just checking my wishlist X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I still have Ovation on the icon bar because I have a small number of >complex forms in Ovation files. Is the 'unease' I feel about resaving >complex 'Ovation' forms as OvPro files foolish? (I could keep Ovation >backups of such conversions but why waste space!) I'd have no worries about converting them to OPro format, but I would keep the backups. But *I'd* advise you to backup your HD to CDR once a week... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:05:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125828 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 14:05:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957322620:11:08921:16; Wed, 03 May 2000 02:57:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108903; 3 May 2000 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04244 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04234 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12mpEL-0000yD-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:49:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 03:24:34 GMT Message-Id: <125814@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spellchecking X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When using the spelling checker it seems that you can only either add or >ignore a word that the checker throws up - this would seem to be OK except >that I do not want an ignore dictionary (perverse aren't I?); with Impression >you could just go on to the next word but unless I am missing something >obvious you can't do that with OPro - or can you? Just bash return, and it will continue. Effectively you're replacing the 'error' with itself. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:08:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125835 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 14:08:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957342801:10:02105:22; Wed, 03 May 2000 08:33:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001673; 3 May 2000 8:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05186 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:28:02 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05181 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:28:00 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.56] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12muVg-0002mS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:27:57 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2000 09:04:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:06:54 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >I think I've mentioned before that I sometimes have problems with > >images in documents which I then PDF. The image (e.g. a photo) > >is rendered extremely slowly in the PDF (i.e. a minute or two > >rather than instant, painfully drawing many tiny strips) > > > This all sounds a bit like the usual lament for PostScript files > in which colour sprites with masks are rendered. In which case > there is some understanding, a few workarounds, and a fundamental > problem known. > > I'd probably try to sell you the idea of saving your images as EPS > from David Pilling's scanning software, and importing the EPS into OPro, that will bypass > the RISC OS printer driver code, but it won't support masked images. OK, I'll try this. > > >the painful parts is cropping, sizing and ensuring that the result > >is either around 300 dpi or 90 dpi (depending on whether the > >document is destined for print or screen display). > > This is doable, but why is it necessary. PS should be resolution independent. > i.e. the printer driver should be bridging the resolutions. Surely not when embedded bitmaps are concerned? Are you saying that the printer driver resamples in some way according to the resolution of the output device? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 18:30:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125852 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 18:30:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957364980:20:09082:18; Wed, 03 May 2000 14:43:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008287; 3 May 2000 14:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06005 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:35:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06000 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:34:59 +0100 Received: from userfa84.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.254) [62.188.19.254] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12n0Eo-0005gG-00; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:34:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 15:26:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 02 May, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > > In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > > > > > > > > > > Or more simply download the frontend - !ps2pdf - from... > > > > > > > > Did anyone post this URL? If so, I missed it, and would welcome it. > > > > TIA, > > > > Peter. > It was posted to this list on Thu, 20 Jan 2000 by Graham Jones > in the thread "Re: PDF (was RTF) file > output": __Quote__ I hope nobody minds me reminding you all that PDF > documents can be created easily and at no cost on RISC OS as well - > using Ghostscript and !Ps2PDF. Ghostscript has handled all of the > Postscript I have thrown at it so far, except for possibly docs using > the TeX/LaTeX fonts - the forthcoming Ghostscript 6 may even handle > them. Simply run !Ps2PDF and drop your PS file on the icon ...... > Ghostscript is at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript !Ps2PDF is at > http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk Thanks for this; also thanks to Tim for posting the URL too. Off to get Ps2PDF now ... Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 18:30:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125858 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 18:30:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957374554:20:11968:24; Wed, 03 May 2000 17:22:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107447; 3 May 2000 17:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06518 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:17:35 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06513 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:17:34 +0100 From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09618 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:17:28 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id TAA19783 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 3 May 2000 19:18:09 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568D4.005EDAEB.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:18:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Fonts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >While using OvationPro, I typed in the word >'fill' and then changed it to OVOID font. This had >the effect of displaying ll. I tried to type in the >missing fi. This would not work. I could type the f >but if I typed the i following it, it deleted the f >and printed nothing. I tried this with other fonts and Presumably this is the ligature applet converting the f and i into a fi single character. If the font you are using doesn't have that character defined then you will get nothing displayed. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 18:30:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125856 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 18:30:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957374114:11:26855:332; Wed, 03 May 2000 17:15:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123372; 3 May 2000 17:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06425 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:58:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06420 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:58:12 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12n2TS-000FSC-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 16:58:11 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 02 May 2000 18:01:17 GMT Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:01:08 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <43bf7eb849%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro While using OvationPro, I typed in the word 'fill' and then changed it to OVOID font. This had the effect of displaying ll. I tried to type in the missing fi. This would not work. I could type the f but if I typed the i following it, it deleted the f and printed nothing. I tried this with other fonts and was interested to find that several of them produced the same effect. I then loaded !edit and was able to display 'fill' in all fonts. Is this a bug with OvationPro or is it the fonts which are at fault? Does anyone know? -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk/software| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 19:11:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125868 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 19:10:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957375494:10:27757:18; Wed, 03 May 2000 17:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026201; 3 May 2000 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06656 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:33:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06626 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:30:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12n2z1-0007J1-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:30:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 14:25:30 GMT Message-Id: <125845@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Surely not when embedded bitmaps are concerned? Are you saying >that the printer driver resamples in some way according to the >resolution of the output device? I can't deny it, yes thats what I think. Otherwise bitmaps would change size dependent on the device resolution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 22:08:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125879 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 22:08:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957386293:20:08212:43; Wed, 03 May 2000 20:38:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111264; 3 May 2000 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07328 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:35:24 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07320 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:35:18 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-24.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.90]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01541 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:32:35 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 08:01:27 +1200 Subject: Style Pal Message-ID: <49b90d9935tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In the new StylePal, which is the bit to stop it automatically appearing with a new window. I thought it used to be int stylepal_palette = 1. I see now we've got int stylepal_newfile = 0. Tried changing this. Tried changing everything in an unmethodical kind of way. What's the secret? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 22:08:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125880 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 22:08:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957387603:10:20021:16; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:00:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123066; 3 May 2000 21:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07478 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:58:05 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07473 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:58:03 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.92] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12n6DX-0000oT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:58:00 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:39:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 21:40:40 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: <5e3011b949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <125845@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Surely not when embedded bitmaps are concerned? Are you saying > >that the printer driver resamples in some way according to the > >resolution of the output device? > > I can't deny it, yes thats what I think. > > Otherwise bitmaps would change size dependent on the device resolution. > Oh dear, I'm going to have to go away and ponder on this and on my understanding of the relationship between image dpi, screen resolution, and resolution of the output device. I didn't think that the postscript printer drivers did anything destructive to a bitmap image, just inserted info which was interpreted (and could be over-ruled by) a RIP as required. Yours, seriously confused, David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 22:08:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125881 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 22:08:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957386319:20:08898:35; Wed, 03 May 2000 20:38:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008800; 3 May 2000 20:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07330 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:35:25 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07319 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:35:16 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-24.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.90]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01527 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:32:27 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:54:47 +1200 Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: <49b90cfcf7tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R While we're on images, postscript, & pdf... What's happening to the resolution of an image from ps to pdf. My local printer received 1 of my ps files for a laser proof yesterday and passed it through Distiller rather than straight through the Fiery downloader. It was like a dpi seive. The images were all jpeg's - my argument being with ps2 they'd be in the ps file as jpegs with all their resolution and size data fixed and intact. I told em there was obviously some setting in Distiller... Their response was no, it always happens with pdf (they hadn't recognised the file type and Distiller interpreted/converted it as pdf) to the extent the print shop doesn't accept pdf's for processing to film. This can't be right, surely. What's going on? David? David? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 22:08:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125883 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 22:08:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957387930:10:27567:35; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:05:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027429; 3 May 2000 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07532 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:02:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07527 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:02:36 +0100 Received: from usercp83.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.112) [62.188.156.112] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12n6Hw-0001YG-00; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:02:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 21:47:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.c User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, > Thanks for this; also thanks to Tim for posting the URL too. Off to get > Ps2PDF now ... Me too. Got it, but am not sure what to do with what I have got. It downloads as a text file with the suffix /sea. What do I set it to in order to use it? Many thanks. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 23:17:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125898 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 23:17:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957389838:10:10167:23; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:37:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112369; 3 May 2000 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07756 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:34:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07751 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:34:00 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12n6mN-000D1c-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:33:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:11:56 GMT Message-Id: <125884@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >resolution, and resolution of the output device. I didn't think >that the postscript printer drivers did anything destructive to >a bitmap image, just inserted info which was interpreted >(and could be over-ruled by) a RIP as required. Yes I'd go along with that. The printer driver should be able to just insert all the pixels in the bit map into the PS file. Quite if it does that in every situation, is something to decided by observation. What I meant was that at the end of the day, the printer can't use exactly the pixels provided it has to resample them for the output resolution. All this is for PS, for a raster printer, like an inkjet, then RISC OS will resample bit maps to the right resolution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 23:18:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125899 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 23:18:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957389847:11:12841:29; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:37:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009906; 3 May 2000 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07763 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:34:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07758 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:34:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12n6mP-000D1c-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:34:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:15:38 GMT Message-Id: <125886@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The images were all jpeg's - my argument being with ps2 they'd be in >the ps file as jpegs with all their resolution and size data fixed and >intact. JPEG's will pass through to PS, as long as they're not processed or part of a separation, and not rotated or skewed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 01:06:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125900 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 01:06:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957395587:20:22029:16; Wed, 03 May 2000 23:13:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122506; 3 May 2000 23:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08331 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:08:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA08326 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:08:46 +0100 Received: from userev33.uk.uudial.com (userev33) [62.188.17.216] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12n8G5-0000oY-00; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:08:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:43:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Style Pal Message-ID: <49b91c773frayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b90d9935tim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49b90d9935tim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b90d9935tim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > In the new StylePal, which is the bit to stop it automatically > appearing with a new window. > I thought it used to be int stylepal_palette = 1. I see now we've got > int stylepal_newfile = 0. Tried changing this. Tried changing > everything in an unmethodical kind of way. What's the secret? Turn it off in the Applets menu. You can set the macro button for it which will then turn it on and off as you want it. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 01:06:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125901 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 01:06:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957393590:10:03652:16; Wed, 03 May 2000 22:39:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101683; 3 May 2000 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08188 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 23:37:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA08183 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 23:37:37 +0100 Received: from userk602.uk.uudial.com (193.149.70.178) [193.149.70.178] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12n7lt-000761-00; Wed, 3 May 2000 23:37:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:12:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Deleting pages Message-ID: <49b8d7b19dcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <125812@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <125812@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 03 May, David Pilling wrote: > Insert/delete pages are provided for dealing with this sort of > situation, not for the "I feel like a document 6 pages long lets > construct it" scenario. but that is, surely a perfectly valid scenario. I regularly need to produce an 8 or 12 page document which gets printed out in pamphlet form. For layout purposes it is much easier to set out 8 blank pages and then start fitting the items into them. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 14:04:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125912 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 14:04:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957406060:10:18349:16; Thu, 04 May 2000 02:07:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018266; 4 May 2000 2:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08765 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:52:18 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08760 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:52:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12nAoJ-000MMq-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 May 2000 01:52:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 01:07:50 GMT Message-Id: <125903@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Insert/delete pages are provided for dealing with this sort of >> situation, not for the "I feel like a document 6 pages long lets >> construct it" scenario. >but that is, surely a perfectly valid scenario. I suppose it is, but I'm telling you the thinking behind the feature. It actually goes back to Ovation, and the horrors with its master pages and so on. Arranging a set number of pages won't tax you too much even now. Just create a dummy autolink frame, and bash the Enter key once for each page. However presumeably I should add another option to document preferences for 'auto page insert/remove' David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 14:04:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125913 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 14:04:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957428253:20:03025:16; Thu, 04 May 2000 08:17:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002984; 4 May 2000 8:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09426 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:14:37 +0100 Received: from inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09421 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:14:34 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21993 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:08:19 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <39113191.740B6632@sharp.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:15:13 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF References: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49b90cfcf7tim@de-sig.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tim King wrote: > > While we're on images, postscript, & pdf... > > I told em there was obviously some setting in Distiller... There are Distiller settings for resolution, colour depth and compression type. You can turn downsampling off, so that the resolution of the image in the PDF file is exactly the same as the original in the PS file. If your PS file normally prints OK, or looks OK when viewed with your favourite PS previewer, then it is probably a problem with the PS to PDF conversion by the printer - i.e. not knowing how to use Distiller properly. The RISC OS Printer drivers might not be perfect but I have never known them to ruin images in that way .... seems to point to your printer! Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 14:04:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125918 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 14:04:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957430580:20:12038:17; Thu, 04 May 2000 08:56:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010497; 4 May 2000 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09629 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:53:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09624 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:53:22 +0100 Received: from useram15.uk.uudial.com (62.188.134.187) [62.188.134.187] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12nHNo-0000RA-00; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:53:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:45:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b95387c7pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.c User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk>, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > Hi all, > > > Thanks for this; also thanks to Tim for posting the URL too. Off to get > > Ps2PDF now ... > Me too. Got it, but am not sure what to do with what I have got. It > downloads as a text file with the suffix /sea. What do I set it to in > order to use it? That fooled me too, initially. The instructions are in fact hidden away on the web-page. /sea is a self-extracting archive. You need to set the filetype to 'absolute' and then double-click on it. Bingo, out comes !Ps2pdf. HTH, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 14:44:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125934 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 14:44:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957431125:10:22160:17; Thu, 04 May 2000 09:05:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018710; 4 May 2000 9:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09693 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:58:20 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09688 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:58:18 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12nHSb-0002fX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:58:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:53:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b9545104C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.c User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk>, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > Thanks for this; also thanks to Tim for posting the URL too. Off > > to get Ps2PDF now ... > Me too. Got it, but am not sure what to do with what I have got. It > downloads as a text file with the suffix /sea. What do I set it to > in order to use it? It is a "self extracting archive" (dicottery?). Set the filetype to Absolute and double click on it. BYU. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 14:44:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125935 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 14:44:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957432950:10:00952:16; Thu, 04 May 2000 09:35:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028254; 4 May 2000 9:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09874 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:28:06 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09869 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:28:04 +0100 Received: from [195.102.196.87] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12nHv9-00045x-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:27:47 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2000 10:20:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:22:08 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: <35e756b949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <39113191.740B6632@sharp.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Graham Jones wrote: > Tim King wrote: > > > > While we're on images, postscript, & pdf... > > > > I told em there was obviously some setting in Distiller... > > There are Distiller settings for resolution, colour depth and compression > type. > You can turn downsampling off, so that the resolution of the image in the > PDF file is exactly the same as the original in the PS file. > The conventional wisdom in the prepress trade is that it is a printer's responsibility to supply a client with their preferred job options for distiller. In other words, there is no universal PDF setting which is suitable for all printers - it depends on how their own workflow has been set up. If a printer can't do this, then they probably don't know how to use PDFs. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 18:57:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125944 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 18:57:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957453114:20:01630:20; Thu, 04 May 2000 15:11:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001508; 4 May 2000 15:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10621 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 16:05:01 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09509 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:24:53 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26790 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:24:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07725 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:24:52 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Images, postscript & PDF Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:23:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5e3011b949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > >Surely not when embedded bitmaps are concerned? Are you saying > > >that the printer driver resamples in some way according to the > > >resolution of the output device? > > > > I can't deny it, yes thats what I think. > > > > Otherwise bitmaps would change size dependent on the device resolution. > > Oh dear, I'm going to have to go away and ponder on this and on > my understanding of the relationship between image dpi, screen > resolution, and resolution of the output device. I didn't think > that the postscript printer drivers did anything destructive to > a bitmap image, just inserted info which was interpreted > (and could be over-ruled by) a RIP as required. > > Yours, seriously confused, My recollection was, like yours, that the PS driver will tell the printer at which resolution to print the image, but embeds the image at its original resolution. e.g. create a doc with a 1200dpi image, set it to print at 300dpi and you'll still have a 1200dpi image in the PS file. My guess is that your manual downsampling will have no effect on the final output if the resolution of the printer driver is appropriately set (i.e. low enough), although it will have the advantage of reducing the PS file's size. Later, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 18:57:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125945 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 18:57:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957457989:20:03115:26; Thu, 04 May 2000 16:33:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115766; 4 May 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10977 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:28:06 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10972 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:28:04 +0100 Received: from [195.102.196.20] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12nOTf-0000uw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:27:52 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2000 17:18:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:20:12 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Nick Kaijaks" wrote: > > > >Surely not when embedded bitmaps are concerned? Are you saying > > > >that the printer driver resamples in some way according to the > > > >resolution of the output device? > > > > > > I can't deny it, yes thats what I think. > > > > > > Otherwise bitmaps would change size dependent on the device resolution. > > > > Oh dear, I'm going to have to go away and ponder on this and on > > my understanding of the relationship between image dpi, screen > > resolution, and resolution of the output device. I didn't think > > that the postscript printer drivers did anything destructive to > > a bitmap image, just inserted info which was interpreted > > (and could be over-ruled by) a RIP as required. > > > > Yours, seriously confused, > > My recollection was, like yours, that the PS driver will tell the printer at > which resolution to print the image, but embeds the image at its original > resolution. e.g. create a doc with a 1200dpi image, set it to print at > 300dpi and you'll still have a 1200dpi image in the PS file. > > My guess is that your manual downsampling will have no effect on the final > output if the resolution of the printer driver is appropriately set (i.e. > low enough), although it will have the advantage of reducing the PS file's > size. So, if you are preparing an image for litho printing, you need to ensure that its dpi is appropriate for the combination of expected lpi screen setting & output resolution of the film setter. So there are two reasons to ensure that the dpi of the embedded image is actually near the appropriate calculated resolution: so the file size is not too massive and because it is surely bad practice to hope that the RIP will handle the downsampling appropriately? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 18:58:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125948 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 18:58:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957454786:10:01441:18; Thu, 04 May 2000 15:39:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001253; 4 May 2000 15:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10618 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 16:05:00 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09463 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:17:02 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01129 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:16:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05324 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:16:56 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Images, postscript & PDF Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:15:42 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <49b90cfcf7tim@de-sig.co.nz> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > The images were all jpeg's - my argument being with ps2 they'd be in > the ps file as jpegs with all their resolution and size data fixed and > intact. Correct. > I told em there was obviously some setting in Distiller... Their > response was no, it always happens with pdf (they hadn't recognised No, you're right, they're talking poo, by the sounds of it. If Distiller is installed, it can take over the run action for PS files, and will then automatically convert them to PDF using the job settings last used. The job settings include the degree of image downsampling, font embedding etc. By default, there are three available settings - 'screen', 'print' and 'press', with increasing final image resolution. It sounds like they've explicitly-opened Distiller at some point in the past and set it to 'screen', so all PS files get downsampled to 72dpi. > the file type and Distiller interpreted/converted it as pdf) to the > extent the print shop doesn't accept pdf's for processing to film. Sounds like classic print shop behaviour - if they don't get a Quark file they're completely lost at sea. Get them to run Distiller explicitly first and choose the 'Press Optimized' option before running your file. Then charge them a consultancy fee for the software support ;-) Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 23:02:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125959 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 23:02:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957474810:20:03717:16; Thu, 04 May 2000 21:13:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003660; 4 May 2000 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11600 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 22:09:43 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11595 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 22:09:41 +0100 Received: from userax66.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.57) [62.188.139.57] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12nSsN-0004UF-00; Thu, 4 May 2000 22:09:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:08:49 +0100 Subject: Not enough memory Message-ID: <49b99799e9robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can somebody remind me why I have just had an error: Not enough memory when trying to print an OvationPro document containing two sprites (one of them rotated)? I'm sure I vaguely remember this from before but can't find it in my archives of this mailing list. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 23:02:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125960 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 23:02:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957476820:20:26155:32; Thu, 04 May 2000 21:47:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119130; 4 May 2000 21:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11789 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 22:43:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11784 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 22:43:21 +0100 Received: from userad60.uk.uudial.com (62.188.131.103) [62.188.131.103] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12nTOx-0006LG-00; Thu, 4 May 2000 22:43:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:21:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b988464btomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b95387c7pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.c User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 May, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > In article <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk>, > Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > > Thanks for this; also thanks to Tim for posting the URL too. Off to get > > > Ps2PDF now ... > > Me too. Got it, but am not sure what to do with what I have got. It > > downloads as a text file with the suffix /sea. What do I set it to in > > order to use it? > That fooled me too, initially. The instructions are in fact hidden away on > the web-page. /sea is a self-extracting archive. You need to set the > filetype to 'absolute' and then double-click on it. Bingo, out comes > !Ps2pdf. Ta. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 5 01:37:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125980 for opro ; Fri, 05 May 100 01:37:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957479476:20:24982:16; Thu, 04 May 2000 22:31:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023380; 4 May 2000 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12016 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:27:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12011 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:27:55 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12nU65-000Fec-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 May 2000 22:27:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 23:12:23 GMT Message-Id: <125970@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Not enough memory X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can somebody remind me why I have just had an error: Not enough memory >when trying to print an OvationPro document containing two sprites (one of >them rotated)? Because you don't have enough memory... Many possibilities, I'd try increasing print memory from OPro Print choices. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 8 22:13:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126069 for opro ; Mon, 08 May 100 22:13:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957710800:20:18476:17; Sun, 07 May 2000 14:46:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018299; 7 May 2000 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18813 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:45:13 +0100 Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [32.97.166.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18808 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:45:11 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.81.198]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000050608114123903eiiple>; Sat, 6 May 2000 08:11:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:22:29 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Deleting pages To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <125903@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 04 May, David Pilling wrote: > > >> Insert/delete pages are provided for dealing with this sort of > >> situation, not for the "I feel like a document 6 pages long lets > >> construct it" scenario. > >but that is, surely a perfectly valid scenario. And perfectly easy to do, in fact, with the Newpage option. > I suppose it is, but I'm telling you the thinking behind the feature. > It actually goes back to Ovation, and the horrors with its master pages > and so on. > > Arranging a set number of pages won't tax you too much even now. Just > create a dummy autolink frame, and bash the Enter key once for each > page. Or select the master frame and click the Newpage button as many times as required. After using OPro a while one gets the hang of the various ways of opening up new pages. If the new (html) manual doesn't go into any more detail than does the original paper one, the addition of a small tutorial linked in from the Page Insertion section of the html manual might be an idea (for the wave of new users due soon). > However presumeably I should add another option to document > preferences for 'auto page insert/remove' Not being sure how that would work in the middle of linked frames, how would that improve the present control over pages that we have, with newpage, insertpage and deletepage? JW -- ---------------- Felicidad en RiscOS ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 8 22:14:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126071 for opro ; Mon, 08 May 100 22:14:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957711215:20:29147:16; Sun, 07 May 2000 14:53:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121157; 7 May 2000 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18894 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:52:18 +0100 Received: from virtual1.giganet.nl (tarantula.giganet.nl [212.125.143.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18889 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:52:15 +0100 Received: from dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (dionysus.fw.cuci.nl [10.0.0.4]) by virtual1.giganet.nl (BuGless_3.01) with ESMTP id e47Eq6g04008 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:52:06 +0200 Received: from woltersd.cm.cuci.nl (woltersd.cm.cuci.nl [10.1.9.149]) by dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (8.9.3/BuGless_2.02) with SMTP id QAA14940 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:52:02 +0200 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:50:33 +0100 (BST) From: Dick Wolters Subject: PostScript printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have some troubles with printing of A3 pages. After using several different postscript printer drivers I get the same result. The printer ignores the print command. This only happens with OvationPro, not with RiScript or Photodesk. After comparing the print files I discovered that there are a few lines in the OvationPro file that aren't in the other files. statusdict /setpageparams known {statusdict begin 841 1190 0 1 setpageparams end} {a3} ifelse Removing these lines cures the problem. The file is printed correctly. This error doesn't occur with A4 papersize. I use a Lexmark Optra Color 45 printer. A friend of mine who has the same (newer) printer has no problems with his printer but has the same problem with my printer. I noticed that in !OvnPro.Library.PSsupport these lines are generated. Is there a way to disable this? It would be a possible solution for my problem. -- D.Wolters -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 8 22:14:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126076 for opro ; Mon, 08 May 100 22:14:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957710747:11:10912:16; Sun, 07 May 2000 14:45:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109264; 7 May 2000 14:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18744 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:38:48 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18739 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:38:45 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup025.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.57]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA31590 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 08:40:22 +0100 Message-ID: <003e01bfb7f7$275d6320$3694a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:27:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Graddol wrote: > So, if you are preparing an image for litho printing, you need to > ensure that its dpi is appropriate for the combination of > expected lpi screen setting & output resolution of the film > setter. So there are two reasons to ensure that the dpi of the > embedded image is actually near the appropriate calculated > resolution: so the file size is not too massive and because it is > surely bad practice to hope that the RIP will handle the > downsampling appropriately This has always been my understanding. The print world works on images at 300dpi and that's what I always aim. As well as the two reasons mentioned by David, it also optimises the time taken by the RIP as well, which will endear you to the repro bureau. On a slightly different tack, while an Ovation Pro dicument enables you to have several instances of the same graphic within a document while only storing one copy, I believe the same is not true when generating PostScript. Every instance requires its own copy. I would be pleased to hear that I am wrong in this suposition. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 8 22:14:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126077 for opro ; Mon, 08 May 100 22:14:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957725097:20:07264:17; Sun, 07 May 2000 18:44:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007010; 7 May 2000 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19569 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:41:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19564 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:41:14 +0100 Received: from usercl54.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.195) [62.188.154.195] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12oVzN-00007k-00; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:41:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 16:03:14 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Font character order swapping Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R There was recently a post where the correspondent lost the letters 'fi' because an OvPro applet cunningly converted them to the corresponding ligatures (which either didn't exist or had a different character number from the expected character which OvPro substitutes) in the font in use (Ovoid, as I recall). I've had a similar problem with 'smart quotes' where the font character mapping was not the same standard expected by the program, so strange characters appeared. Many of us I suspect have some fonts where, perhaps because they have been derived from an alien platform, the character mapping is not the same as the standard Acorn (Latin1 ? ) set. The characters may all be present, but in a slightly different order, especially those above ASCII 125. Is there any _easy_ way of reordering the characters into the standard Acorn order? Regards, Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 8 22:14:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126083 for opro ; Mon, 08 May 100 22:14:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957727136:20:19363:18; Sun, 07 May 2000 19:18:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019180; 7 May 2000 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19742 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:17:21 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19737 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:17:19 +0100 Received: from 10006851 (man-a194.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.194]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id UAA14660 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:16:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a194.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.194] claimed to be 10006851 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:15:20 +0100 From: Ken Paton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Table Mate Message-ID: <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Is it possible to import tables from Tablemate into OvationPro so that the the lines around the cells are imported along with the text? -- Ken Paton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 8 22:15:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126087 for opro ; Mon, 08 May 100 22:15:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957743228:20:12239:16; Sun, 07 May 2000 23:47:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011992; 7 May 2000 23:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20417 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:44:24 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20412 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:44:23 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12oaik-0005Kt-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:44:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 00:03:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Table Mate Message-ID: <49bb2d9242john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> References: <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk>, Ken Paton wrote: > Hi, > Is it possible to import tables from Tablemate into OvationPro > so that the the lines around the cells are imported along with the > text? How do you import tables as above *without* the lines around the cells? -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK using British designed hardware, OS & software RISC OS computers from Acorn, RiscStation & etc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 8 22:15:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126092 for opro ; Mon, 08 May 100 22:15:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957800464:20:02568:55; Mon, 08 May 2000 15:41:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003034; 8 May 2000 15:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22257 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:28:25 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22252 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:27:59 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.114] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12opRb-0006cD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:27:39 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 08 May 2000 16:15:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:16:38 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003e01bfb7f7$275d6320$3694a8c2@akalat> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Mike Williams" wrote: > David Graddol wrote: > > > So, if you are preparing an image for litho printing, you need to > > ensure that its dpi is appropriate for the combination of > > expected lpi screen setting & output resolution of the film > > setter. So there are two reasons to ensure that the dpi of the > > embedded image is actually near the appropriate calculated > > resolution: so the file size is not too massive and because it is > > surely bad practice to hope that the RIP will handle the > > downsampling appropriately > > This has always been my understanding. The print world works on images at > 300dpi and that's what I always aim. As well as the two reasons mentioned by > David, it also optimises the time taken by the RIP as well, which will > endear you to the repro bureau. > So - to return to my original request - an option to 'resample to nnn dpi' in the Picture>Process menu would indeed make sense? (Part of the argument was that if you do final adjustments to scale etc from within OvPro it is only at that point that the current effective dpi is actually known) David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 8 22:28:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126104 for opro ; Mon, 08 May 100 22:28:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957818775:10:29878:20; Mon, 08 May 2000 20:46:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029573; 8 May 2000 20:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23353 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:55:32 +0100 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23346 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:55:29 +0100 Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-27.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.157]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA07864 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:55:26 +1200 (NZST) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:53:34 +1300 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Re: Table Mate To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 May, Ken Paton wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to import tables from Tablemate into OvationPro > so that the the lines around the cells are imported along with the > text? Should do so automatically, as the default is to show lines. Have you gone into the Menu -> Line -> Line Left and set it to None and repeated it for -> Line right, -> Line Top, and -> Line Bottom? Or have I misread your problem :-) David -- Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. (Bernard Shaw) Windows 95 - the most popular virus on the market today. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 8 22:29:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126105 for opro ; Mon, 08 May 100 22:28:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957819968:10:24674:37; Mon, 08 May 2000 21:06:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101328; 8 May 2000 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23348 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:55:30 +0100 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23341 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:55:26 +0100 Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-27.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.157]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA07856 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:55:21 +1200 (NZST) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:54:42 +1300 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Re: Table Mate To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <49bb2d9242john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 May, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk>, > Ken Paton wrote: > > Hi, > > > Is it possible to import tables from Tablemate into OvationPro > > so that the the lines around the cells are imported along with the > > text? > How do you import tables as above *without* the lines around the cells? > Menu -> Line Left _> select None, and then repeat for Right, top, bottom. HTH. David -- Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. (Bernard Shaw) If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 9 01:59:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126130 for opro ; Tue, 09 May 100 01:59:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957824311:20:24761:25; Mon, 08 May 2000 22:18:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118000; 8 May 2000 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23520 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:59:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23515 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:59:34 +0100 Received: from jeffwright.demon.co.uk ([194.222.23.191]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12oucn-000Lmk-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:59:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:33:41 +0100 (BST) From: Jeff Wright Subject: Speech Applet To: Ovation Pro ctrb In-Reply-To: <49b2ef5f11badger.set@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Jeff Wright X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have the following installed: Version 2.58 of OvationPro Version 1.00 of the Speech Applet Version 1.03 of Jon Duddington's SpeakTAYT module I've been using the Speech applet and find that if I use it with version 2.58 of Ovation the application dies normslly with an error type 5 or just completly freezes up! There does not appear to be a version of the Speech applet greater than 1.00. does anyone know how to overcome this problem. Many thenks, -- Jeff Wright using an Acorn 200MHz StrongARM RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 9 03:11:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126153 for opro ; Tue, 09 May 100 03:11:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957836768:20:12259:18; Tue, 09 May 2000 01:46:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106751; 9 May 2000 1:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24195 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:58:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24185 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:58:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12oyMI-000Jla-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:58:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:31:55 GMT Message-Id: <126106@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >And perfectly easy to do, in fact, with the Newpage option. Well not quite, because it is all too easy when editing text to delete the new page characters or create too much text. Anyway as of now OPro supports preferences for turning off auto page delete/insert. >If the new (html) manual The new manual won't be in HTML! It will be in OPro document format. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 9 15:15:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126156 for opro ; Tue, 09 May 100 15:15:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957838503:20:26642:19; Tue, 09 May 2000 02:15:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026604; 9 May 2000 2:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24211 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:59:03 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24204 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:58:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12oyMP-000Jla-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:58:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:36:08 GMT Message-Id: <126110@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font character order swapping X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Is there any _easy_ way of reordering the characters into the standard Acorn >order? Two guesses, FontEd (drag n drop), or there's a mapping file (encoding) that lets you change the mapping between the font file and RISC OS? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 9 15:15:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126157 for opro ; Tue, 09 May 100 15:15:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957838944:20:02852:17; Tue, 09 May 2000 02:22:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110965; 9 May 2000 2:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24197 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:58:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24190 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:58:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12oyML-000Jla-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:58:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:34:33 GMT Message-Id: <126108@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PostScript printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >After comparing the print files I discovered that there are a few lines in >the OvationPro file that aren't in the other files. >Removing these lines cures the problem. The file is printed correctly. This >error doesn't occur with A4 papersize. >I noticed that in !OvnPro.Library.PSsupport these lines are generated. Is >there a way to disable this? It would be a possible solution for my >problem. Sure just remove the lines from the PSSupport script file that generate the PS your printer does not like. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 9 15:15:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126158 for opro ; Tue, 09 May 100 15:15:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957842123:20:28719:19; Tue, 09 May 2000 03:15:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111666; 9 May 2000 3:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24661 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 03:11:25 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24654 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 03:11:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ozUU-000MmS-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:11:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:06:18 GMT Message-Id: <126151@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On a slightly different tack, while an Ovation Pro dicument enables you to >have several instances of the same graphic within a document while only >storing one copy, I believe the same is not true when generating PostScript. >Every instance requires its own copy. I would be pleased to hear that I am >wrong in this suposition. I'd like to have another go at that one... since PS is a programming language then the answer is that you can do it, rendering a picture would be made into a procedure that is called more than once. Of course you can't do any of this from the usual printer drivers, but dedicated PS output from an application could do it. It would be quite a neat thing to do. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 9 15:15:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126163 for opro ; Tue, 09 May 100 15:15:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957838915:10:07153:17; Tue, 09 May 2000 02:21:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007104; 9 May 2000 2:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24209 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:59:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24199 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:58:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12oyMS-000Jla-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:58:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:37:30 GMT Message-Id: <126112@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On a slightly different tack, while an Ovation Pro dicument enables you to >have several instances of the same graphic within a document while only >storing one copy, I believe the same is not true when generating PostScript. >Every instance requires its own copy. I would be pleased to hear that I am >wrong in this suposition. Perhaps using an 'include' file mechanism like OPI? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 9 17:46:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126178 for opro ; Tue, 09 May 100 17:46:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957889084:20:12563:16; Tue, 09 May 2000 16:18:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127462; 9 May 2000 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26263 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:12:06 +0100 Received: from mail.jakinternet.co.uk (qmailr@[212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA25250 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 05:42:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 29899 invoked by uid 101); 9 May 2000 04:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO redhotant.com) (195.217.162.33) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk with SMTP; 9 May 2000 04:20:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 05:37:05 +0100 From: M P Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Speech Applet Message-ID: <64fccfbb49.mpc@rhaa0109343-001.redhotant.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > I have the following installed: > Version 2.58 of OvationPro > Version 1.00 of the Speech Applet > Version 1.03 of Jon Duddington's SpeakTAYT module > > I've been using the Speech applet and find that if I use it with version > 2.58 of Ovation the application dies normslly with an error type 5 or just > completly freezes up! > > There does not appear to be a version of the Speech applet greater than > 1.00. does anyone know how to overcome this problem. > > Many thenks, > Works OK here - OvPro2.58, Speech 1.00 but module is "Speak 2.09 (26 June 1977) Text to Speech" Malc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 9 20:13:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126183 for opro ; Tue, 09 May 100 20:13:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957894189:10:03894:16; Tue, 09 May 2000 17:43:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121640; 9 May 2000 17:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31833 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:38:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31828 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:38:41 +0100 Received: from userbj17.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.143.180] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12pDxw-0003yR-00; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:38:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:35:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Table Mate Message-ID: <49bba3edcdbob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> References: <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk>, Ken Paton wrote: > Hi, > Is it possible to import tables from Tablemate into OvationPro > so that the the lines around the cells are imported along with the > text? Yes! Just drag a TableMate file into a frame or save straight from TableMate into a frame. OLE works fine too. Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 9 20:13:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126185 for opro ; Tue, 09 May 100 20:13:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957894227:11:22706:19; Tue, 09 May 2000 17:43:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122902; 9 May 2000 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31825 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:35:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31820 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:35:45 +0100 Received: from userfa83.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.253) [62.188.19.253] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12pDv5-0003sJ-00; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:35:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:27:03 +0100 Subject: artworks rendering Message-ID: <49bc167a43charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <125644@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <125644@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I tried to load an Artworks file into OvPro. I get the message that it was "produced by a more recent version of Artworks". More recent than what? I have v1.17 (21 Oct 1996). How do I get round the problem? I'm still using OvPro 2.56. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 10 01:23:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126204 for opro ; Wed, 10 May 100 01:23:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957911813:10:16235:16; Tue, 09 May 2000 22:36:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119370; 9 May 2000 22:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32465 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:52:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32460 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:52:00 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12pHv5-000K97-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:51:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:22:13 GMT Message-Id: <126190@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: artworks rendering X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I get the message that it was "produced by a more recent version of >Artworks". >More recent than what? I have v1.17 (21 Oct 1996). More recent than the public rendering modules. >How do I get round the problem? I suspect you don't. CC didn't keep updating the rendering modules, even though they are also used by Impression. >I'm still using OvPro 2.56. Not relevant. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 10 01:23:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126205 for opro ; Wed, 10 May 100 01:23:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957912069:20:15570:20; Tue, 09 May 2000 22:41:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111553; 9 May 2000 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32536 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:11:37 +0100 Received: from virtual1.giganet.nl (tarantula.giganet.nl [212.125.143.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32531 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:11:35 +0100 Received: from dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (dionysus.fw.cuci.nl [10.0.0.4]) by virtual1.giganet.nl (BuGless_3.01) with ESMTP id e49MBYg16709 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:11:34 +0200 Received: from woltersd.cm.cuci.nl (woltersd.cm.cuci.nl [10.1.9.149]) by dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (8.9.3/BuGless_2.02) with SMTP id AAA04803 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:11:24 +0200 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:10:04 +0100 (BST) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: PostScript printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <126108@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 08 May, David Pilling wrote: > > >After comparing the print files I discovered that there are a few lines in > >the OvationPro file that aren't in the other files. > > >Removing these lines cures the problem. The file is printed correctly. This > >error doesn't occur with A4 papersize. > > >I noticed that in !OvnPro.Library.PSsupport these lines are generated. Is > >there a way to disable this? It would be a possible solution for my > >problem. > > Sure just remove the lines from the PSSupport script file that generate the PS > your printer does not like. Thanks, that did the trick. Dick Wolters -- D.Wolters -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 10 01:23:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126206 for opro ; Wed, 10 May 100 01:23:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957911948:11:22213:17; Tue, 09 May 2000 22:39:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122037; 9 May 2000 22:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32567 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:12:39 +0100 Received: from mail.jakinternet.co.uk (qmailr@[212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA32280 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:20:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 10850 invoked by uid 101); 9 May 2000 19:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO redhotant.com) (195.217.160.224) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk with SMTP; 9 May 2000 19:58:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:12:36 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: artworks rendering Message-ID: <76a225bc49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49bc167a43charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "charles.hope" was let out long enough to write: > I tried to load an Artworks file into OvPro. > > I get the message that it was "produced by a more recent version of > Artworks". > > More recent than what? I have v1.17 (21 Oct 1996). > > How do I get round the problem? I'm still using OvPro 2.56. > > This is caused by something of an oversight be CC. They upgraded the Artworks code to use 32k and 16M colour sprites but not the renderer module. This is a problem. Workarounds are; * remove all such sprites, (including from file->sprites) * save into OvPro and put the images in frames or export to draw and put the images in draw. * screen shot the image at the best res you can manage (EX and EY are handy for this) and use the image. Mark. BTW: Is this in the FAQ? Is there a FAQ? > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Small change can often be found under seat cushions. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 10 20:09:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126243 for opro ; Wed, 10 May 100 20:09:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957982974:10:21229:17; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:22:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107177; 10 May 2000 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02675 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:15:22 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02670 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:15:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12pb0v-000Ijn-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:15:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:45:24 GMT Message-Id: <126237@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: GhostScript 6 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From : Graham Jones of fidonet#2:254/27.2 Aladdin Ghostscript 6.01 for RISC OS ------------------------------------ Aladdin Ghostscript 6.01 for RISC OS users is now available from http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript. Ghostscript allows conversion of Postcript and PDF documents to a variety of formats, including PDF and many printer and image types. -- Changes since 5.50 -- * Now using Aladdin Ghostscript 6.01, see the documentation for changes. Includes may improvements to PDF writing, as well as much more. * Now includes a new RISC OS Sprite device. -- Downloading -- Details are available from http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript The files are stored at ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript Both the previous (5.50) and the new (6.01) versions are stored at this site. For version 6.01 you need all of the following 4 files: GSapp6.zip GSsup6.zip GSfnt6.zip GSoth6.zip To avoid overloading the acornusers server please use a cache if you have access to one. Demon users should consider using BatchFTP: http://www.demon.net/services/ftp/batchftp.html -- Installation -- This release still needs raFS or XFiles, but it will probably work directly with RISC OS 4 and the new F+ disc format. Simply, extract all the archives into one raFS disc, XFile or directory on a new style RISC OS 4 disc. !Ghostscr performs a simple check on the installation when first seen by the filer and will warn if there appears to be a problem. -- Documentation -- Further documentation is available in the !Ghostscr help file and the official Ghostscript documentation (double click on !Ghostscr to open the doc directory). Mailing list for Ghostscript on RISC OS ------------------------------------ An e-mail discussion list has been setup on acornusers.org for matters relating to Ghostscript on RISC OS. This should avoid the occasional hijacking of other lists for discussion of Ghostscript related matters. The list will also be used for announcements of updates and new versions if and when they happen. To subscribe send a blank message to: ghostscript-subscribe@acornusers.org To post messages send the mail to: ghostscript@acornusers.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to: ghostscript-unsubscribe@acornusers.org -- Graham Jones David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 10 22:39:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126252 for opro ; Wed, 10 May 100 22:39:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957993858:10:04629:16; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:24:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003745; 10 May 2000 21:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03116 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:20:57 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03111 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:20:55 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup033.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.195]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30395 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:23:29 +0100 Message-ID: <001801bfbac5$37a13a60$c394a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <126237@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Font info needed - Comic Sans Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:17:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I need a RISC OS version of the MS Truetype font Comic Sans MS. Does anyone know if such a thing exists? I have downloaded the font from the MS website (available free), but my other problem is that EFF's Truetype converter is refusing to load, and EFF are not easy to get hold of at the moment. Has anyone had problems loading EFFTTT? Does it get unhappy with large amounts of RAM (128MB)? Any help appreciated. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 10 22:56:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126260 for opro ; Wed, 10 May 100 22:56:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957995142:10:22439:16; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:45:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022395; 10 May 2000 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03236 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:43:21 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03231 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:43:20 +0100 Received: from kepler.demon.co.uk ([158.152.147.85]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12peGE-000JBB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:43:19 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From:(David Briggs) Subject: Re: Font info needed - Comic Sans In-Reply-To: <001801bfbac5$37a13a60$c394a8c2@akalat> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:41:35 +0100 Message-ID: <20000510.224135.14@kepler.demon.co.uk> Organization: None whatsoever X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.43 (Acorn RISC OS) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (03 Mar 2000) [TEST 2], ZapEmail 0.25 (18 Mar 2000) test-2 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <001801bfbac5$37a13a60$c394a8c2@akalat> you wrote: > I need a RISC OS version of the MS Truetype font Comic Sans MS. Does anyone > know if such a thing exists? I have downloaded the font from the MS website > (available free), but my other problem is that EFF's Truetype converter is > refusing to load, and EFF are not easy to get hold of at the moment. Has > anyone had problems loading EFFTTT? Does it get unhappy with large amounts > of RAM (128MB)? Any help appreciated. > > Mike Williams > Akalat Publishing > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > Apologies if everyone got the file I thought I was sending to Mike Williams. That will teach me to check the reply-to header before hitting return. -- David Briggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 11 01:26:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126264 for opro ; Thu, 11 May 100 01:26:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957996012:11:11027:22; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:00:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110838; 10 May 2000 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03330 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:56:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03325 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:56:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12peTN-000JfE-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:56:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:52:31 GMT Message-Id: <126256@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font info needed - Comic Sans X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I need a RISC OS version of the MS Truetype font Comic Sans MS. Someone kindly sent this to the list, and I've intercepted it and forwarded it to Mike Williams. No more... 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 12 01:37:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126329 for opro ; Fri, 12 May 100 01:37:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958083945:20:13592:19; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:25:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112095; 11 May 2000 22:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06263 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:19:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA06258 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:19:03 +0100 Received: from usereu32.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.116) [62.188.17.116] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12q1IL-0007Om-00; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:19:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:52:03 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Threshold Message-ID: <5f6936bd49.rwatki@rwatki.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB06263 For teachers wanting to apply for 'crossing the threshold' so called elec= tronic application forms are available from the DfEE website at www.dfee.gov.uk/teachingreforms The main form is a Word document but there is a RTF version which will lo= ad into Ovation Pro. Once loaded it needs a bit of tinkering with, which I have done.=20 Let me say from the outset I do not approve of this initiative BUT I feel= it is churlish to turn down =A32001. So if anyone would like the OvationPro version I will either email it dir= ect or put it on argonet.acorn.binaries. The zipped file is about 13K Richard __ __ __ __ __ ____________________________________________= _ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk Turn left where the chip shop used to be. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 12 01:37:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126332 for opro ; Fri, 12 May 100 01:37:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958085045:20:09909:19; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:44:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113048; 11 May 2000 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06358 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:35:34 +0100 Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.52]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06353 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:35:32 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem2152.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.136.104]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA12973; Fri, 12 May 2000 00:35:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:44:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Dutch highres graphics To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: archive-on-line@argonet.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA06354 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB06358 Hello, Probably already in 'announcements' but for people who are not subscribed= to that groep: http://web.inter.NL.net/users/J.Kortink/viewfinder.htm Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 12 14:07:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126362 for opro ; Fri, 12 May 100 14:07:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958136429:11:06071:19; Fri, 12 May 2000 13:00:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025621; 12 May 2000 13:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08203 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 May 2000 13:52:39 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08198 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 13:52:35 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-10.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.76]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA16412 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:49:53 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:54:41 +1200 Subject: Give me the easy way Message-ID: <49bd890cf7tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <7a4c0a449%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <7a4c0a449%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've done all the production on a pamphlet (a3 folded to A4) that was to be done on an A3 press. Now, the jobs moved printers and we want it A2 (work & turn, head to head with a 10mm gutter). I don't really want to rebuild it on an A2 page (if I have to, thought I could do it portrait, group all the top side and rotate it when complete), so are there any other options? The typesetter can impose it, but I really have to give him each page as an eps. Aside - what exactly is the e (& don't say encapsulated). Looked in GS, but can't see anything there. Spose the other thing I'm looking for is an imposition script... Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 12 21:34:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126370 for opro ; Fri, 12 May 100 21:34:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958149556:11:20818:55; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:39:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005817; 12 May 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08662 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 May 2000 17:26:48 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08657 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 17:26:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12qIGv-0009Tj-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:26:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:08:48 GMT Message-Id: <126364@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Give me the easy way X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I've done all the production on a pamphlet (a3 folded to A4) that was >to be done on an A3 press. Now, the jobs moved printers and we want it >A2 (work & turn, head to head with a 10mm gutter). I don't really >want to rebuild it on an A2 page (if I have to, thought I could do it >portrait, group all the top side and rotate it when complete), so are >there any other options? Wouldn't you just move from the 'pamphlet' print format to the 'booklet' one? 2 up to 4 up? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 12 21:35:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126377 for opro ; Fri, 12 May 100 21:34:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958162057:20:04487:18; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:07:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004214; 12 May 2000 20:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09146 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:03:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09141 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:03:27 +0100 Received: from usern064.uk.uudial.com (193.149.81.97) [193.149.81.97] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12qLeg-0002OU-00; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:03:26 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 20:55:47 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Threshold Message-ID: <699aafbd49.rwatki@rwatki.argonet.co.uk> References: <5f6936bd49.rwatki@rwatki.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5f6936bd49.rwatki@rwatki.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've put it on argonet.acorn.binaries. The zipped file is about 13K -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk Join the RSPB today -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 12 22:04:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126392 for opro ; Fri, 12 May 100 22:04:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958164573:10:29057:16; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:49:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028854; 12 May 2000 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09249 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:26:24 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09242 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:26:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 1161 invoked from network); 12 May 2000 20:30:59 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 12 May 2000 20:30:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 5765 invoked from network); 12 May 2000 20:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.69.34) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 12 May 2000 20:24:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 20:38:23 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Give me the easy way To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <49bd890cf7tim@de-sig.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 12 May, Tim King wrote: > I've done all the production on a pamphlet (a3 folded to A4) that was > to be done on an A3 press. Now, the jobs moved printers and we want it > A2 (work & turn, head to head with a 10mm gutter). I don't really > want to rebuild it on an A2 page (if I have to, thought I could do it > portrait, group all the top side and rotate it when complete), so are > there any other options? > > The typesetter can impose it, but I really have to give him each page > as an eps. Aside - what exactly is the e (& don't say encapsulated). Sorry - it *is* encapsulated. AIUI that means it has a bounding box defined - probably page edge in your situation - which enables placing and scaling that wouldn't be possible with plain PS. The official Adobe description - in the Red Book (Postscript Language Reference Manual 2nd edition) says (on p709): "An encapsulated PostScript file is a PostScript language program describing the appearance of a single page. Typically, the purpose of the EPS file is to be included, or "encapsulated," in another PostScript language page description." Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 12 22:19:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126402 for opro ; Fri, 12 May 100 22:19:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958165721:20:05639:17; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:08:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110130; 12 May 2000 21:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09447 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:06:17 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09440 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:06:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12qMdQ-0003bQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:06:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:51:51 GMT Message-Id: <126388@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Impression file compatability X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Tinkering with my Impression file loader, it has become apparent that as I understand the rules, some Impression files are corrupt. And my copy of Publisher 5.10 falls over when I try to load them (unknown internal error). Yet the people who sent them, seemingly used them on older versions of Impression. Amongst Impression users, does this sort of thing happen a lot? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 12 22:19:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126405 for opro ; Fri, 12 May 100 22:19:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958165787:20:07364:16; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:09:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006129; 12 May 2000 21:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09435 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:06:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08913 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:39:30 +0100 Received: from useram54.uk.uudial.com (62.188.134.226) [62.188.134.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12qJPN-0004mZ-00; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:39:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr. F.W. Wilburn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:38:23 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Problem with OvationPro Printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Recently when printing OvationPro documents an error message appears "Please insert or make available shared disc'__SO". The printing is OK but the error box can only be removed by continued clicking on "Cancel" This problem does not appear when printing Techwriter Pro documents. Has anyone any idea where the error box appears from and what is disc__SO please? Dr. Fred Wilburn. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ fwilburn@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 12 22:19:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126406 for opro ; Fri, 12 May 100 22:19:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958165913:20:10461:60; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:11:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113136; 12 May 2000 21:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09445 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:06:15 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09433 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:06:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12qMdP-0003bQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:06:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:42:41 GMT Message-Id: <126386@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Give me the easy way X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Recently when printing OvationPro documents an error message appears "Please >insert or make available shared disc'__SO". I'd swear that this came up in the last few months, and someone gave the right answer on here. I've just failed to find it in the archives, but you might have a longer look there. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 13 01:59:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126411 for opro ; Sat, 13 May 100 01:59:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958168350:10:14936:16; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:52:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125059; 12 May 2000 21:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09861 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:50:45 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09856 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:50:43 +0100 Received: from sarpc (dynip39 [129.69.189.39]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id XAA15604 for In-Reply-To: <126386@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <126386@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <126386@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Recently when printing OvationPro documents an error message appears > >"Please insert or make available shared disc'__SO". > I'd swear that this came up in the last few months, and someone gave > the right answer on here. I've just failed to find it in the archives, > but you might have a longer look there. This happens as soon as you have ShareFS active and then after you've been online with PPP once. Best solution I've found so far is quitting the !Printers app from the icon bar once it has been loaded. Printing to the active printer still works. Changing printers however requires reloading and requitting. Hm. :-/ As to where the __S0 thing comes from (it's a zero, not an capital O, IIRC), do an *shares or *fwshow (I'm not sure ATM, as I now use !FastSpool+ for net printing) and you'll see the whole name of the printer share. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 13 01:59:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126415 for opro ; Sat, 13 May 100 01:59:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958171215:20:22131:18; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:40:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126029; 12 May 2000 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10079 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:31:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10074 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:31:11 +0100 Received: from userag42.uk.uudial.com (62.188.132.128) [62.188.132.128] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12qNxd-0000Qg-00; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:31:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:29:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Impression file compatability Message-ID: <49bdbda63bawarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <126388@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <126388@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 May, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Tinkering with my Impression file loader, it has become apparent > that as I understand the rules, some Impression files are corrupt. > And my copy of Publisher 5.10 falls over when I try to load them > (unknown internal error). > Yet the people who sent them, seemingly used them on older versions > of Impression. > Amongst Impression users, does this sort of thing happen a lot? Hi David No... the only problem with files I have ever found is to attempt to load a file from a later version into an earlier one. Impression does not like 32k colour modes by the way. The only means of crashing publisher I have found is to set a bleed on the Master Page and then on the working page, leave a frame overhanging it into the bleed area. They hadn't really finished the coding when development halted. The Impression I use is Publisher Plus Ver. 5.13 Which has all of the professional colour separation (spot, tint etc.), postscript screen angle/density/LPI settings and OPI facilities. best wishes Adrian Warrick -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 13 01:59:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126416 for opro ; Sat, 13 May 100 01:59:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958172655:20:01576:22; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:04:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001645; 12 May 2000 23:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10240 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:01:51 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10235 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:01:49 +0100 Received: from [195.102.201.55] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12qORO-000756-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:01:54 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:53:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:52:58 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Give me the easy way Message-ID: <23d3bfbd49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <126386@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >Recently when printing OvationPro documents an error message appears "Please > >insert or make available shared disc'__SO". > > I'd swear that this came up in the last few months, and someone gave > the right answer on here. I've just failed to find it in the archives, > but you might have a longer look there. I don't think a definitive solution has ever been given, but I think the problem relates to an interaction with network software. On my machine (which is networked) it only happens when !InetSuite is loaded. The mysterious 'shared disc_SO' is apparently a shared printer device (though I've never been able to relate it to anything in particular in the real world). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 13 14:03:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126433 for opro ; Sat, 13 May 100 14:03:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958210499:20:27430:19; Sat, 13 May 2000 09:34:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027941; 13 May 2000 9:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12154 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:32:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12149 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:32:14 +0100 Received: from userbf06.uk.uudial.com (62.188.142.27) [62.188.142.27] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12qYHN-0002la-00; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:32:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: Ovation Pro ctrb Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:31:53 +0100 Subject: A couple of useful tools Message-ID: <49bdfa51b3badger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Not strictly Ovation Pro, but I have found the followings small applications (one's a module in fact) *very* useful in everyday RISC-OS/Ovation Pro use: !BackIcon by Sam Kington (link http://www.illuminated.co.uk/acorn/backicon/) - allows windows to be moved up or down a stack one window at a time IClear by Robert Munro (link http://www.viva.org/personal/rjmunro/patches/fullinfo/iclear.htm) - most writeable icons (eg 'Save' and web browser URL boxes) can be blanked out before typing in the new name - heaven! !FullNames by Andrew Booker (link http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~ajb121) - shows the full name of a file when the mouse is held for a moment over the file icon. (Useful with filing systems which allow long file names.) :-) -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 13 14:03:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126434 for opro ; Sat, 13 May 100 14:03:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958186188:10:17986:16; Sat, 13 May 2000 02:49:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017949; 13 May 2000 2:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10956 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 03:43:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10951 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 03:43:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12qRtq-000Lhz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 May 2000 02:43:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 02:07:39 GMT Message-Id: <126418@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Give me the easy way X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Recently when printing OvationPro documents an error message appears "Please >insert or make available shared disc'__SO". The discussion took place in December 1999 - so that months maillist archive (available from my web site) makes interesting reading. Some people reckon it can be gotten around by configuring your network software, others say it is a bug in printers. Seemingly it is not an OPro specific problem. And discussion took place on c.s.a. etc. at the same time. Speaking as someone who knows nothing about it, I note that a new version of Printers (1.64) is now available from the RISC OS Ltd. web site - wonder if they fixed the problem... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 13 14:03:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126436 for opro ; Sat, 13 May 100 14:03:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958192281:11:02210:17; Sat, 13 May 2000 04:31:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018376; 13 May 2000 4:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11254 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:25:32 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11246 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:25:27 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-14.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.80]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA15219 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:22:47 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:28:06 +1200 Subject: Re: Give me the easy way Message-ID: <49bdde81b1tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <49bd890cf7tim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Fri 12 May, Tim King wrote: >> a pamphlet set as 2 A3 pages (front and back) folded to A4 - we >> want it on A2 film (work & turn, head to head with a 10mm gutter). Answering my own query - PsToPs can do this easily in PsUtils, but I glazed over way before I got anywhere useful. It's 1 of those front ends like those houses where you can't quite work out if the entrance is tradesmans or main. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 13 14:03:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126437 for opro ; Sat, 13 May 100 14:03:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958192281:11:02202:17; Sat, 13 May 2000 04:31:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018289; 13 May 2000 4:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11249 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:25:29 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11242 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:25:25 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-14.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.80]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA15215 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:22:43 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:42:16 +1200 Subject: Re: Give me the easy way Message-ID: <49bdd4d17ctim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <126364@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <126364@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <126364@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: >> I don't really want to rebuild it on an A2 page > Wouldn't you just move from the 'pamphlet' print format to the > 'booklet' one? 2 up to 4 up? Because of images that cross the fold line, in this case I've set it up 'half imposed', as pg 4,1 on an A3 page, and on a 2nd OP page, pg 2,3. It was to be sent to A3 film/plates. The difference now is that both pages will be on the same 'page' of film, and the top page will be rotated 180 with a 10mm gutter. Not a big problem. What I was hoping for was a quick way of doing the imposition, or of shoving it into the filmsetters software (PM). Hence eps... > AIUI that means it has a bounding box defined - probably page edge > in your situation - which enables placing and scaling that wouldn't > be possible with plain PS. That's the bit I wanted to know. So what's involved in OP outputting eps? Can it write that info into the ps file that !Printers makes? & can PM or whatever make use of it anyway? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 13 14:03:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126438 for opro ; Sat, 13 May 100 14:03:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958198946:11:12011:23; Sat, 13 May 2000 06:22:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111789; 13 May 2000 6:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11638 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 07:20:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA11633 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 07:20:11 +0100 Received: from usercl85.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.226) [62.188.154.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12qVHV-0004hc-00; Sat, 13 May 2000 07:20:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:07:02 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Impression file compatability Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 12 May 2000 (23:29:12 +0100), awarrick@argonet.co.uk wrote: > The only means of crashing publisher I have found is to set a bleed on > the Master Page and then on the working page, leave a frame overhanging > it into the bleed area. They hadn't really finished the coding when > development halted. > I recently sent a file from Impression Publisher 4.13 to a friend with 5+ and and it crashes every time!!! It has some quite convoluted frames - some irregular - and loads of overlapping effects (styles really) to fit words into advertisements!!! It once sent the `Some text is not properly formatted' message on loading but reformatted and saved correctly and the message does not reappear. It still crashes IP 5 however! -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 13 14:03:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126439 for opro ; Sat, 13 May 100 14:03:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958206334:10:03631:28; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:25:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003611; 13 May 2000 8:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11942 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 09:23:24 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11937 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 09:23:22 +0100 Received: from sarpc (dynip44 [129.69.189.44]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id KAA19295 for In-Reply-To: <126418@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <126418@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <126418@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > Speaking as someone who knows nothing about it, I note that a new > version of Printers (1.64) is now available from the RISC OS Ltd. web > site - wonder if they fixed the problem... They didn't ... as I think it is of low priority to them. And I don't want to argue about this. Concerning the overall future of RISC OS, it /is/ of low priority. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * The packaging said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed Linux. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:36:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126477 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:36:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958238589:20:28688:20; Sat, 13 May 2000 17:23:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028661; 13 May 2000 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13237 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 17:53:25 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13229 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 17:53:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12qfAI-000BF4-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:53:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:46:17 GMT Message-Id: <126471@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Impression file compatability X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > I recently sent a file from Impression Publisher 4.13 to a friend with 5+ and >and it crashes every time!!! It has some quite convoluted frames - some >irregular - and loads of overlapping effects (styles really) to fit words into >advertisements!!! Yes and one of my problem documents came from you... So I suppose it is not too far fetched to imagine there is one particular version of Impression which damages files. In the ones I've seen so far, the table of styles is corrupt. What price an Impression file fixer program? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:36:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126479 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:36:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958238634:20:29986:16; Sat, 13 May 2000 17:23:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028702; 13 May 2000 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13235 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 17:53:24 +0100 Received: from latimer.mail.easynet.net (latimer.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12867 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:38:14 +0100 Received: from loopback (tnt-10-89.easynet.co.uk [212.134.16.89]) by latimer.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 07D0B5363B for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:38:13 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:34:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Problem with OvationPro Printing Message-ID: <49be16018eIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr. F.W. Wilburn wrote: > Recently when printing OvationPro documents an error message appears > "Please insert or make available shared disc'__SO". The printing is OK > but the error box can only be removed by continued clicking on "Cancel" > This problem does not appear when printing Techwriter Pro documents. > Has anyone any idea where the error box appears from and what is > disc__SO please? This is a RISCOS bug. To avoid it permanently you need to use the computer configuration. Double-click !Boot. Click Network. Click Access. Un-tick Enable Access. If you actually need the 'Share' filing system then I think the only way around it is to quit !Printers before you go online. HTH, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:36:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126480 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:36:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958241264:20:23070:19; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:07:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022995; 13 May 2000 18:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13429 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:38:17 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13424 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:38:15 +0100 Received: from modem-176.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.16.176] helo=cumbrian.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12qfrg-0000bj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:38:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:37:45 +0100 From: Chris Hughes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Impression file compatability Message-ID: References: <126388@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49bdbda63bawarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49bdbda63bawarrick@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49bdbda63bawarrick@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > On 12 May, David Pilling wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Tinkering with my Impression file loader, it has become apparent > > that as I understand the rules, some Impression files are corrupt. > > And my copy of Publisher 5.10 falls over when I try to load them > > (unknown internal error). > > > Yet the people who sent them, seemingly used them on older versions > > of Impression. > > > Amongst Impression users, does this sort of thing happen a lot? > > Hi David > > No... the only problem with files I have ever found is to attempt to load a > file from a later version into an earlier one. Impression does not like 32k > colour modes by the way. I am using version Impression 4.13 and work daily in 32K or 16M modes and it does work!!! Impression files don't always like being loaded into older versions of it, especially if you have used features only available in the newer versions. -- Chris Hughes ***** "Wakefield Acorn RISCOS show - 20/21st May" ****** **** http://www.cybervillage.co.uk/acorn/wakefield/ **** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:36:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126483 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:36:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958242788:20:22658:16; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:33:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022245; 13 May 2000 18:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13568 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:03:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13563 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:03:01 +0100 Received: from usercd72.uk.uudial.com (usercd72) [62.188.151.183] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12qgFg-0001xW-00; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:03:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro ctrb Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:52:51 +0100 Subject: Re: A couple of useful tools Message-ID: <49be123609rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49bdfa51b3badger.set@argonet.co.uk> References: <49bdfa51b3badger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49bdfa51b3badger.set@argonet.co.uk>, Richard wrote: > IClear by Robert Munro > (link http://www.viva.org/personal/rjmunro/patches/fullinfo/iclear.htm) > - most writeable icons (eg 'Save' and web browser URL boxes) can be > blanked out before typing in the new name - heaven! IClear is actually by Martyn Fox - mfox@argonet.co.uk - and probably available from www.argonet.co.uk/users/mfox You need version 1.30 to work with StrongArm. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:36:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126484 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:36:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958246652:10:12348:16; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:37:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012239; 13 May 2000 19:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14076 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:08:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14071 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:08:38 +0100 Received: from jeffwright.demon.co.uk ([194.222.23.191]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12qhH9-0004YS-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:08:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:19:47 +0100 (BST) From: Jeff Wright Subject: Re: Speech Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <64fccfbb49.mpc@rhaa0109343-001.redhotant.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Jeff Wright X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 09 May, M P Churchill wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > I have the following installed: > > Version 2.58 of OvationPro > > Version 1.00 of the Speech Applet > > Version 1.03 of Jon Duddington's SpeakTAYT module > > > > I've been using the Speech applet and find that if I use it with version > > 2.58 of Ovation the application dies normslly with an error type 5 or just > > completly freezes up! > > > > There does not appear to be a version of the Speech applet greater than > > 1.00. does anyone know how to overcome this problem. > > > > Many thenks, > > > Works OK here - OvPro2.58, Speech 1.00 but module is "Speak 2.09 (26 > June 1977) Text to Speech" > > Malc > > > I've sorted the problem. Actually it had nothing to do with OvationPro, as on loading the application Speak, this also died after saying just a few words. I deleted Speak from the hard drive and reinstalled. Now works perfectly. Also I see SpeakTAYT module is not used by OvnPro, its speakmod 2.09, as Malc says above. Thanks for your help Malc, and also the email. -- Jeff Wright using an Acorn 200MHz StrongARM RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:37:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126488 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:37:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958245261:20:10039:17; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:14:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010017; 13 May 2000 19:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13770 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:44:02 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13765 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:44:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 10591 invoked from network); 13 May 2000 18:43:59 -0000 Received: from usera871.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.69.109) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 13 May 2000 18:43:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Ovation Pro ctrb Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:27:54 +0100 Subject: Re: A couple of useful tools Message-ID: <49be2b6467dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49bdfa51b3badger.set@argonet.co.uk> References: <49bdfa51b3badger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49bdfa51b3badger.set@argonet.co.uk>, Richard wrote: > Not strictly Ovation Pro, but I have found the followings small > applications (one's a module in fact) *very* useful in everyday > RISC-OS/Ovation Pro use: [Snip] > IClear by Robert Munro > (link http://www.viva.org/personal/rjmunro/patches/fullinfo/iclear.htm) > - most writeable icons (eg 'Save' and web browser URL boxes) can be > blanked out before typing in the new name - heaven! [Snip] Well... this is news to me... I always though Martyn Fox was the author of IClear. Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:37:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126490 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:37:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958255339:20:25305:16; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:02:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024277; 13 May 2000 22:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14583 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:32:00 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA14578 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:31:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 3074 invoked from network); 13 May 2000 21:31:55 -0000 Received: from userb619.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (193.149.83.94) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 13 May 2000 21:31:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:13:04 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Give me the easy way Message-ID: <49BE2A0914%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <126418@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <126418@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <126418@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Speaking as someone who knows nothing about it, I note that a new version > of Printers (1.64) is now available from the RISC OS Ltd. web site - wonder > if they fixed the problem... I d/l this some time ago & it worked fine (on 3.70) for a few weeks, then died with "Internal error: couldn't fix pointer:". Never worked again, even if I d/l it again. :o( Had to go back to 1.53 because 1.54 causes problems with the BJC7100 drivers. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Pound for pound, the amoeba is the most vicious animal on the Earth. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:37:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126500 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:37:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958257644:10:01409:17; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:40:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001288; 13 May 2000 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14740 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:11:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14735 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:11:04 +0100 Received: from userbk99.uk.uudial.com (62.188.144.107) [62.188.144.107] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12qk7j-0002DF-00; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:11:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:05:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Impression file compatability Message-ID: <49be3f47d0awarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <126388@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49bdbda63bawarrick@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 13 May, Chris Hughes wrote: > > No... the only problem with files I have ever found is to attempt to load a > > file from a later version into an earlier one. Impression does not like 32k > > colour modes by the way. > I am using version Impression 4.13 and work daily in 32K or 16M modes and it > does work!!! > > Impression files don't always like being loaded into older versions of it, > especially if you have used features only available in the newer versions. I feel we may be departing from the intention of this group but if you would like I can send you an Impression file which will demonstrate the 32k^ colour problem. best wishes Adrian -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:37:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126504 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:37:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958352159:20:25482:16; Mon, 15 May 2000 00:55:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025407; 15 May 2000 0:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17983 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:25:31 +0100 Received: from sphmgaab.compuserve.com (hs-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.177.151]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17978 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:25:28 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id UAA28740 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 14 May 2000 20:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:24:33 -0400 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Re: Impression file compatability To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <200005142024_MC2-A4FA-5F72@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id BAA17979 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro `Some text is not formatted properly' is a message that Impression pops up from time to time, for what never seem real reasons. One gets the impression [ :-) ] that Impression sometime corrupts its own files in some mild way and gives that message before fixing them (I have Impression Publisher Plus 5.13 running under RO 3.7). Could it be those files that are fouling up David's fledgling IP loader? An IP file-fixer? Yes. It would seem the perfect adjunct to a loader. -- Nobilangelo Ceramalus. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:37:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126505 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:37:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958257651:10:01390:17; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:40:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125514; 13 May 2000 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14733 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:11:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14728 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:11:02 +0100 Received: from userbk99.uk.uudial.com (62.188.144.107) [62.188.144.107] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12qk7g-0002DF-00; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:11:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:02:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Impression file compatability Message-ID: <49be3f0aceawarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 13 May, Mijas Software wrote: > On Fri 12 May 2000 (23:29:12 +0100), awarrick@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > The only means of crashing publisher I have found is to set a bleed on > > the Master Page and then on the working page, leave a frame overhanging > > it into the bleed area. They hadn't really finished the coding when > > development halted. > > > I recently sent a file from Impression Publisher 4.13 to a friend with 5+ > and and it crashes every time!!! It has some quite convoluted frames - > some irregular - and loads of overlapping effects (styles really) to fit > words into advertisements!!! > It once sent the `Some text is not properly formatted' message on loading > but reformatted and saved correctly and the message does not reappear. It > still crashes IP 5 however! I am curious, if it is not too private by all means send it to me to see if I can load it. all the best Adrian -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:37:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126508 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:37:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958370244:20:17894:17; Mon, 15 May 2000 05:57:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105532; 15 May 2000 5:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18607 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:29:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA18602 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:29:55 +0100 Received: from userck96.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.138) [62.188.154.138] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12rDRx-0001ph-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:29:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Bernard Veasey) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:00:46 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Impression file compatability Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > David Pilling said... Re: > Publisher files - In the ones I've seen so far, the table of styles > is corrupt. I have found that this is caused by the Impression Dynamic Areas being switched on. To switch them off, insert the following line at the beginning of the '!Publisher.!Run' file. Set Impression$NoDynamicAreas 1 It also fixes several other Publisher bugs! -- Bernard - bernard.veasey@argonet.co.uk Home Page - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey Acorn RISC OS software - Sights in West Sussex - etc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:38:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126511 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:38:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958377336:20:11103:16; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:55:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011064; 15 May 2000 7:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18883 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:19:57 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18878 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:19:55 +0100 Received: from modem-122.seaborgium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.73.122] helo=cumbrian.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12rFAP-0006Dw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:19:54 +0100 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:22:47 +0100 From: Chris Hughes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Impression file compatability Message-ID: References: <126471@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <126471@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <126471@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > I recently sent a file from Impression Publisher 4.13 to a friend with 5+ and > >and it crashes every time!!! It has some quite convoluted frames - some > >irregular - and loads of overlapping effects (styles really) to fit words into > >advertisements!!! > > Yes and one of my problem documents came from you... > > So I suppose it is not too far fetched to imagine there is one particular version > of Impression which damages files. > > In the ones I've seen so far, the table of styles is corrupt. This is actually the Dynamic areas corruption problem, IIRC correctly. I simply delete all the blank styles which are actually duplicate and part styles and then resave this usual fixes them. > What price an Impression file fixer program? The official answer from CC was turn off the Dynamic area option in CC, but adding a command to the run file. -- Chris Hughes ***** "Wakefield Acorn RISCOS show - 20/21st May" ****** **** http://www.cybervillage.co.uk/acorn/wakefield/ **** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 15 22:38:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126517 for opro ; Mon, 15 May 100 22:38:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958262590:11:02117:18; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:03:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101778; 14 May 2000 0:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15182 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:32:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA15177 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:32:52 +0100 Received: from userco87.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.17) [62.188.156.17] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12qlOq-0004zc-00; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:32:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 00:32:56 +0100 Subject: Re: A couple of useful tools Message-ID: <49be4751a6badger.set@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49be123609rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <49bdfa51b3badger.set@argonet.co.uk> <49be123609rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 13 May, Ray Dawson wrote: > IClear is actually by Martyn Fox - mfox@argonet.co.uk Thanks for this Ray (and Dave Symes), and my apologies to Martyn; I'd mis-read Robert Munro's page with the IClear details on. > - and probably available from www.argonet.co.uk/users/mfox it is. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 16 15:20:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126613 for opro ; Tue, 16 May 100 15:20:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958443918:20:18585:17; Tue, 16 May 2000 02:25:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017644; 16 May 2000 2:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21258 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 May 2000 03:20:15 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17516 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 22:00:25 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-103.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.103]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA22531 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 21:59:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:58:00 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: artworks rendering Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <126190@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <126190@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Hi, > > >I get the message that it was "produced by a more recent version of > >Artworks". > >More recent than what? I have v1.17 (21 Oct 1996). > > More recent than the public rendering modules. Can mean you are using an add-on module, like Hatch, that creates new types of objects. > >How do I get round the problem? Export the ArtWorks file as a DrawFile. Not ideal for all illustrations but certainly gets around the Hatch problem. If you can select all the objects made by Hatch try to 'make shapes' them. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 16 15:20:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126619 for opro ; Tue, 16 May 100 15:20:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958467820:20:05490:20; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:03:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103980; 16 May 2000 9:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22196 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:57:46 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22191 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:57:44 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FUN00BBWA87EM@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:57:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:01:14 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: artworks rendering In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <430583bf49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Brian O'Carroll wrote: > In message <126190@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > >I get the message that it was "produced by a more recent version of > > >Artworks". > > >More recent than what? I have v1.17 (21 Oct 1996). > > > > More recent than the public rendering modules. > > Can mean you are using an add-on module, like Hatch, that creates new types > of objects. > The only time i've come around this error is when there are 32K/16M colour sprites in the artworks document. Fancy stuff like hatrch fill doesn't matter. CC did introduce high colour sprites in Artworks but didn't update the free render module. > > >How do I get round the problem? > > Export the ArtWorks file as a DrawFile. Not ideal for all illustrations > but certainly gets around the Hatch problem. > > If you can select all the objects made by Hatch try to 'make shapes' them. Like i said i don't think the problem is in the hatch. Remove all sprites from the Artworks drawing (also from the sprite pool - MENU>>file>>show sprites). Then save it and if needed place the sprites in a seperate frame in OvP. Regards, Steven M. Ottens Managing Director -- O'dd : Ottens' Dutch Designs - 2d, 3d and 4d designs Site : http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com/ Mail : info@ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 17 13:59:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126659 for opro ; Wed, 17 May 100 13:59:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958550883:20:29285:16; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:08:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107840; 17 May 2000 8:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24878 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:02:32 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24873 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:02:27 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-26.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.92]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA09481 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:59:41 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:50:52 +1200 Subject: PS error. Help!! Message-ID: <49c0006a1atim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <113580@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113580@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Urgent job (the only kind that ever produce ps errors!). The imagesetter is coughing only on the yellow separation (the others are just fine) and comes up with: %%[Error:ioerror; Offending Command:imagemask]%% Anyone: What's imagemask, & what can I do about it? Checked the file in Zap - the term imagemask only appears 3 times, and all within the 1st 120 lines in the 1st part of the Prolog. The file (4 seps) wouldn't distill in AD, tho' I can get all pages to render quite happily in GS. I chopped out the y sep with PsUtils (again, GS accepts it), and ran just the y again from OP. Both fail to complete the rip. It's a 17MB file, and gets through to about 15MB before choking. There's nothing tricky in the file - mostly straight cmyk images + 2 greyscale jpegs processed (brightness/gamma) within OP, sized exactly for their frames. I was using the PoScript2 driver. Any ideas, for any sort of fix? (Just knowing that when I log on again 1st thing in the morning, all you guys will have done it in my sleep ;-) Thanks: Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 17 13:59:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126664 for opro ; Wed, 17 May 100 13:59:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958564839:20:14438:19; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:00:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107370; 17 May 2000 12:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25482 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:52:30 +0100 Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.52]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25477 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:52:26 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1347.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.67]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03740 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:52:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:47:51 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: A3 pamphlet printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, I offered the Acorn User Group Holland (Big Ben Club) to print a full colour folder about RISC OS etc. It was sent to me as a 16-page doc. in A5 format. I would like to print it as an A5 booklet (A4 double sided) and as an A4 booklet (A3 double sided). So far, no go. I printed it using the 'galley' option, to scale -140%- and I now have A3 sheets in the folowing order: page zero (front), page 6 and 7 on the other side page 16, 10 and 11 on the other side page 14 and 15, 12 and 13 on the other side page 8 and 9, nothing on the other side page 2 and 3, 4 and 5 on the other side. I used: (in print set up) 'all pages' pause 'front' and 'back' 'fit' (scale 140, aspect 100, greyed out) sideways In Impression Publisher this used to be: 'Pamphlet' Print, stop and 'second half' Print sideways The printer is a QMS Magicolour 330 Any idea's? Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 17 14:00:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126670 for opro ; Wed, 17 May 100 14:00:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958565369:10:09823:21; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:09:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010056; 17 May 2000 12:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25544 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:02:20 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25539 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:02:17 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12s2Wi-0001iR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:02:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:02:39 +0100 Subject: Re: A3 pamphlet printing Message-ID: <49c017776cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAB25544 Status: R In article , Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > So far, no go. I printed it using the 'galley' option, to scale > -140%- and I now have A3 sheets in the folowing order: I think you should be using the 'pamphlet' option from the print format menu. 'Booklet' I think can also be used if you need to print in smaller sections, e.g. a 64 page booklet in sections of 16 pages. Chris --=20 Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 17 18:46:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126690 for opro ; Wed, 17 May 100 18:46:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958582272:20:24254:40; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:51:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110554; 17 May 2000 16:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26314 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:43:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26303 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:43:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12s6vE-0005UE-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:43:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:07:00 GMT Message-Id: <126674@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A3 pamphlet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >So far, no go. I printed it using the 'galley' option, to scale -140%- and I >now have A3 sheets in the folowing order: Galley and Pamphlet are two different things, and you need to know which one you want. For producing a 2 up booklet, Pamphlet. The page order you describe sounds like Galley, but slightly wrong. On the extended Print dialogue box, there is a button 'Print sheet' which for galley and pamphlet lets you see exactly which pages are going to be on which sheet of paper - maybe a way of getting the hang of what is going on. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 13:03:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126725 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 13:03:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958626276:10:27715:17; Thu, 18 May 2000 05:04:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027511; 18 May 2000 5:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27758 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 06:01:10 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27753 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 06:01:03 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-08.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.74]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09817 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:58:18 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:02:43 +1200 Subject: imagemask [was PS error] Message-ID: <49c074db24tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49c0006a1atim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <113580@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c0006a1atim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c0006a1atim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > The imagesetter is coughing only on the yellow separation (the > others are just fine) and comes up with: > %%[Error:ioerror; Offending Command:imagemask]%% Not solving my own problem - but fixing it. I figured the y sep had to be ok - there was nothing on it that wasn't on the others. The error occured within a meg or 2 of finishing the whole RIP, so maybe had something to do with the end of the file rather than the actual separation. Saved out m & y seps, changed the page order, and hey presto. So with this bureau I can now get a full set of seps - but what a shonky way of doing it. Is this a RO printer driver thing, or is the 1st time in the history of the universe that it's ever happened? Or Agfa's RIP up to no good? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 13:03:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126728 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 13:03:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958634187:20:12918:17; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:16:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012913; 18 May 2000 7:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28055 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:14:36 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28050 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:14:34 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.81] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12sKW5-00060d-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:14:46 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:08:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:05:27 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: imagemask [was PS error] Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49c074db24tim@de-sig.co.nz> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Tim King wrote: > In article <49c0006a1atim@de-sig.co.nz>, > Tim King wrote: > > The imagesetter is coughing only on the yellow separation (the > > others are just fine) and comes up with: > > > %%[Error:ioerror; Offending Command:imagemask]%% > > Not solving my own problem - but fixing it. I figured the y sep had to > be ok - there was nothing on it that wasn't on the others. The error > occured within a meg or 2 of finishing the whole RIP, so maybe had > something to do with the end of the file rather than the actual > separation. Saved out m & y seps, changed the page order, and hey > presto. > > So with this bureau I can now get a full set of seps - but what a > shonky way of doing it. Is this a RO printer driver thing, or is the > 1st time in the history of the universe that it's ever happened? Or > Agfa's RIP up to no good? You did say that the file would not distill in Acrobat distiller. In my experience, distiller is very tolerant of OvPro generated postscript and I would be unhappy about sending any file to a bureau that caused distiller to fall over. Might it be worth experimenting a bit further with distiller to see what is causing the problem? Though it's a bit of a puzzle if it is only the one sep which is causing trouble. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 13:03:56 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126731 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 13:03:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958637553:10:28003:18; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:12:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028195; 18 May 2000 8:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28239 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:08:02 +0100 Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28234 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:08:00 +0100 Received: from angelwords.netkonect.co.uk ([194.164.3.172]:1032 "HELO angelwords.paston.co.uk") by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:04:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:08:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Gabriel Swords Subject: Postscript printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Gabriel Swords, Angelwords... 01603 504659 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I need to send some PS files to a company in Holland; I'm using a the level 2 printer driver and version 1.62 of printers. What I can't do is get the film to print oversize A4 with crop marks. The bottom left crops appear but this pushes the page up and to the right, chopping off some of the text. The only way I've been able to do it so far is to choose an A3 page and print the A4 into the middle of it - but this is a waste of film. I've tried in Opro and Impression (Impression even says it will make the page area bigger, but doesn't). Any ideas? Gabriel -- Gabriel Swords 01603 504659 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 13:04:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126736 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 13:04:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958646092:20:20474:47; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:34:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109804; 18 May 2000 10:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28648 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:27:55 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28643 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:27:52 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.56] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12sNXA-0002jV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:28:04 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:19:15 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:16:48 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript printing Message-ID: <549c91c049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Gabriel Swords wrote: > Hi, > > I need to send some PS files to a company in Holland; I'm using a > the level 2 printer driver and version 1.62 of printers. > > What I can't do is get the film to print oversize A4 with crop marks. > The bottom left crops appear but this pushes the page up and to the > right, chopping off some of the text. > > The only way I've been able to do it so far is to choose an A3 page > and print the A4 into the middle of it - but this is a waste > of film. > > I've tried in Opro and Impression (Impression even says it will make > the page area bigger, but doesn't). > Check with the company first that they want you to include crop & registration marks - it will depend on what imposition software they use and whether your page design includes elements that bleed right to the edge. If you do need to include them then you need to create a new paper size of SRA4 (the oversize A4 used in printing). Set the size to 225mm x 320mm with all graphic margins set to zero. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 15:44:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126754 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 15:44:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958659129:20:16407:39; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:12:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016527; 18 May 2000 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29106 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:58:09 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28336 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:20:04 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26627 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:19:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05263 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:19:23 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Postscript printing Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:18:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > What I can't do is get the film to print oversize A4 with crop marks. > The bottom left crops appear but this pushes the page up and to the > right, chopping off some of the text. > > The only way I've been able to do it so far is to choose an A3 page > and print the A4 into the middle of it - but this is a waste > of film. You need to explicitly create an oversized A4 paper size in !Printers - if you try to print to a paper size of A4, that's all you'll get! Go to' 'Edit paper sizes' on the !Printers icon bar menu and start with the A4 paper, then increase the width and height by enough to encompass the page plus crops. Finally, ensure that the margin is set to zero and save with a new name. Use that paper size for printing and you should get bled A4 working fine. Hope this helps, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 15:54:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126762 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 15:54:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958658879:10:07849:118; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:07:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021312; 18 May 2000 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29118 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:58:24 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26864 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:02:21 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12sA1I-0005C9-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:02:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:27:24 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Wee caps module? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Trying to piece together files from a damaged hard drive- dows anyone know where I can find the indispansible little module called "STOPCAPS" which lived inside Predesk, and literally did what it said, totally disabling the possibility of hitting the capslock button (How annoying is that eh?) If anyone knows- or has the module (it was freeware), could they email me? Many thanks -- Paul Hutton E-mail: p.hutton@krowdrah.co.uk Web: http://www.krowdrah.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 15:54:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126763 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 15:54:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958659499:11:13828:177; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:18:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111122; 18 May 2000 14:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29112 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:58:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29100 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:58:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12sQoQ-000CUH-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:58:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:45:49 GMT Message-Id: <126752@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: PostScript separations + EPS X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro It has come to light that the EPS applet generates some PS code which is wrong when separations are being generated. I've added version 1.01 which fixes this to the web sites. This problem didn't show up on GhostScript 4, so maybe it would have worked on some printers too. A different problem which a number of people have reported to me is that CMYK bit maps seem to render 'too dark' when printing separations. Unfortunately I've yet to see a demonstration of this which I can experiment with. Any comments gratefully received. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 19:10:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126768 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 19:09:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958665898:20:16263:18; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:04:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104922; 18 May 2000 16:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29658 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:53:07 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29653 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:53:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 16149 invoked from network); 18 May 2000 15:53:03 -0000 Received: from userex71.uk.uudial.com (HELO gateway.net) (62.188.18.198) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 May 2000 15:53:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:51:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Wee caps module? Message-ID: <49c0b03a2ermking@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Trying to piece together files from a damaged hard drive- dows anyone > know where I can find the indispansible little module called "STOPCAPS" > which lived inside Predesk, and literally did what it said, totally > disabling the possibility of hitting the capslock button (How annoying > is that eh?) > If anyone knows- or has the module (it was freeware), could they email > me? Sent on 18/5/00 -- ______________________________________________________________________ Roger King rmking@ukgateway.net ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 19:10:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126770 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 19:10:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958669538:20:29993:47; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:05:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103840; 18 May 2000 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29869 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:56:27 +0100 Received: from smtp.screaming.net (smtp.screaming.net [212.49.224.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29864 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:56:25 +0100 Received: from localhost (dyn227-ras15.screaming.net [212.49.238.227]) by smtp.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11084 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:57:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:55:14 +0100 Subject: Re: imagemask [was PS error] Message-ID: <49c08a2497gavcrawf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c074db24tim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <113580@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c0006a1atim@de-sig.co.nz> <49c074db24tim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c074db24tim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > So with this bureau I can now get a full set of seps - but what a > shonky way of doing it. Is this a RO printer driver thing, or is the > 1st time in the history of the universe that it's ever happened? Or > Agfa's RIP up to no good? Our AGFA RIP handles RO postscript output from the Level 2 driver with no problems (or am I tempting fate?). Have you tried printing each sep to a different file and sending each one in turn to the RIP? That would show any problems with the end of file or the prolog on seps that previously imaged OK. Gav -- Crawfords the Printers crawford@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 23:11:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126787 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 23:11:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958685864:20:21666:27; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:37:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021601; 18 May 2000 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30567 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:33:44 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30562 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:33:41 +0100 Received: from 10006851 (man-a099.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.99]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id WAA17545 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:33:23 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a099.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.99] claimed to be 10006851 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:38:40 +0100 From: Ken Paton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Table Mate Message-ID: <97334cc049%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49bba3edcdbob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49bba3edcdbob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> Bob Ansell wrote: > In article <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk>, > Ken Paton wrote: > > Hi, > > > Is it possible to import tables from Tablemate into OvationPro > > so that the the lines around the cells are imported along with the > > text? > > Yes! Just drag a TableMate file into a frame or save straight from TableMate > into a frame. OLE works fine too. > > Bob > I was exporting from Tablemate as a DDF file and importing that into OvationPRO, and had not thought of trying to import a Tablemate file directly. The DDF file imports with tabs between the fields, but without the cell border. -- Ken Paton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 18 23:11:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126788 for opro ; Thu, 18 May 100 23:11:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958686166:20:00486:19; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:42:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000429; 18 May 2000 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30628 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:38:50 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30623 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:38:48 +0100 Received: from modem-203.calcium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.19.203] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12sY0F-0000tR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:38:47 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:18:39 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Postscript printing Message-ID: <8734cec049.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > > What I can't do is get the film to print oversize A4 with crop marks. > > The bottom left crops appear but this pushes the page up and to the > > right, chopping off some of the text. > > > > The only way I've been able to do it so far is to choose an A3 page > > and print the A4 into the middle of it - but this is a waste > > of film. > > You need to explicitly create an oversized A4 paper size in !Printers - if > you try to print to a paper size of A4, that's all you'll get! > > Go to' 'Edit paper sizes' on the !Printers icon bar menu and start with the > A4 paper, then increase the width and height by enough to encompass the page > plus crops. Finally, ensure that the margin is set to zero and save with a > new name. Use that paper size for printing and you should get bled A4 > working fine. I would add that you should make sure that the name you save your new paper under does NOT start with A4 - the printer driver does some sneaky stuff based on names starting with what it assumes are paper sizes - or so I read somewhere. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 19 13:49:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126806 for opro ; Fri, 19 May 100 13:49:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958724296:20:26920:25; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:18:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026515; 19 May 2000 8:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31857 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:11:40 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31852 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:11:38 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 12shsf-0003NS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:11:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:03:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: RE: Postscript printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <8734cec049.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 18 May, Alan Adams wrote: > In message you wrote > I would add that you should make sure that the name you save your new paper > under does NOT start with A4 - the printer driver does some sneaky stuff > based on names starting with what it assumes are paper sizes - or so I read > somewhere. Strange enough RiScript Pro often refused to work with other paper names but the imagesetter wouldn't object. I still find it confusing that software checks the name instead of the actual size. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 19 13:49:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126809 for opro ; Fri, 19 May 100 13:49:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958732748:20:12671:25; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:39:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011109; 19 May 2000 10:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32181 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:29:32 +0100 Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.52]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32176 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:29:28 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem839.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.71]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09137 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:29:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:28:25 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: A3 pamphlet printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <126674@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 17 May, David Pilling wrote: > On the extended Print dialogue box, there is a button 'Print sheet' > which for galley and pamphlet lets you see exactly which pages > are going to be on which sheet of paper - maybe a way of getting > the hang of what is going on. Hello, I tried that too and this shows exactly -and correctly- how my document should be produced. One problem: it won't print (and I don't mean the 'print sheet' option, but the whole document). Resuming: it's not an A4 document that needs to be printed on double sided A4 in a certain order but a document in A5 format that has to be produced in A4/double sided 'scaled' A3/pamphlet/folded and in it's original form, A5 on doublesided A4, folded I could remove the sprites and send the doc if needed. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 19 13:49:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126811 for opro ; Fri, 19 May 100 13:49:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958739515:20:03784:21; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:31:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112856; 19 May 2000 12:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32628 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:20:18 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32623 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:20:13 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-05.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.71]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA08357 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:17:30 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:12:10 +1200 Subject: Re: Postscript printing Message-ID: <49c11a8405tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <8734cec049.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <8734cec049.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <8734cec049.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > I would add that you should make sure that the name you save your > new paper under does NOT start with A4 - the printer driver does > some sneaky stuff based on names starting with what it assumes are > paper sizes - or so I read somewhere. Is this still the case? I can remember it with IP, and we had a funny workaround that involved using an older version of !Printers. But it's never been a problem with OP. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 19 13:49:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126814 for opro ; Fri, 19 May 100 13:49:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958736168:11:22054:23; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:36:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018290; 19 May 2000 11:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32312 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:01:04 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32307 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:01:00 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-34.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.100]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA05931 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 22:58:13 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:26:48 +1200 Subject: Re: imagemask [was PS error] Message-ID: <49c1165ce3tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49c08a2497gavcrawf@argonet.co.uk> References: <113580@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c0006a1atim@de-sig.co.nz> <49c074db24tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49c08a2497gavcrawf@argonet. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c08a2497gavcrawf@argonet.co.uk>, Mr Gavin Crawford wrote: > Our AGFA RIP handles RO postscript output from the Level 2 driver > with no problems (or am I tempting fate?). Uh oh. You've done it now. > Have you tried printing each sep to a different file and sending > each one in turn to the RIP? That would show any problems with the > end of file or the prolog on seps that previously imaged OK. Yep. Any 1 sep on it's own doesn't work, and when I extracted the m & y from the original file and reversed the pg order, y ripped and m didn't. As I say, it's not a real problem in that I can work around it (though with no elegance at all). This is the 1st time I've used this particular bureau. I haven't had problems with anyone else. The only concern now is if it's flagging some other issue. In article , David Graddol wrote: > You did say that the file would not distill in Acrobat distiller. In > my experience, distiller is very tolerant of OvPro generated > postscript agreed > and I would be unhappy about sending any file to a bureau that > caused distiller to fall over. In this case it was on a machine at the bureau in question. I sweated a bit at the time, but I'm not worrying too much about it now. Just 1 to file away for future reference. thanks: tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 19 17:32:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126823 for opro ; Fri, 19 May 100 17:32:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958742940:20:11653:51; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:29:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010303; 19 May 2000 13:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00393 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:18:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00386 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:17:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12smec-0005ki-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:17:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:02:30 GMT Message-Id: <126819@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A3 pamphlet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tried that too and this shows exactly -and correctly- how my document >should be produced. One problem: it won't print (and I don't mean the 'print >sheet' option, but the whole document). Explain "it won't print". David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 19 17:32:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126825 for opro ; Fri, 19 May 100 17:32:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958750742:20:06203:62; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:39:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129330; 19 May 2000 15:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00886 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:15:43 +0100 Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.52]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00881 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:15:41 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1359.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.79]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00379 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:15:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:16:19 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: A3 pamphlet printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <126819@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 19 May, David Pilling wrote: > > Explain "it won't print". Nothing comes out of the printer after clicking the print button....I see a green bar being built up -nothing happens (in the same session I create a testfile -circle- in a Draw A3 sheet and it prints).. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 19 17:32:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126827 for opro ; Fri, 19 May 100 17:32:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958743042:10:03414:48; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:30:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005787; 19 May 2000 13:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00400 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:18:27 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00394 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:18:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12smef-0005ki-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:17:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:03:39 GMT Message-Id: <126821@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I would add that you should make sure that the name you save your >> new paper under does NOT start with A4 - the printer driver does >> some sneaky stuff based on names starting with what it assumes are >> paper sizes - or so I read somewhere. >Is this still the case? I can remember it with IP, and we had a funny >workaround that involved using an older version of !Printers. But it's >never been a problem with OP. Its not dependent on OPro or IP, its part of the Acorn PS drivers. Something like if the paper name is "XX ", then XX is issued as a command to the printer. So if XX is A4 that is what your printer is told to do. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 19 22:19:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126830 for opro ; Fri, 19 May 100 22:19:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958754839:20:20719:27; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:47:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021008; 19 May 2000 16:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01165 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:43:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01160 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:43:38 +0100 Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12sps9-000JnA-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:43:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:42:15 +0100 Subject: Single Shift Font Message-ID: <49c138bc7cmick@tab1.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R It's probably obvious, but how do I make a bullet from my single shift font 4pts larger than my body text without selecting and manually altering each one? Many thanks -- Mick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 19 23:36:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126839 for opro ; Fri, 19 May 100 23:36:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958771490:20:28231:32; Fri, 19 May 2000 21:24:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2129417; 19 May 2000 21:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05175 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 22:19:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05170 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 22:19:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12suBS-000NWH-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 May 2000 21:19:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:15:41 GMT Message-Id: <126828@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A3 pamphlet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Nothing comes out of the printer after clicking the print button....I see a >green bar being built up -nothing happens (in the same session I create a >testfile -circle- in a Draw A3 sheet and it prints).. Is the print position right? I can see that if its wrong you might end up with nothing printed. As I understand the tale, yesterday, when you printed, you did get something, so something must have changed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 20 02:13:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126845 for opro ; Sat, 20 May 100 02:13:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958776526:20:01390:16; Fri, 19 May 2000 22:48:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117248; 19 May 2000 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05484 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 23:44:11 +0100 Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05479 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 23:44:09 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1321.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.41]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA17837 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:44:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:53:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: A3 pamphlet printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <126828@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB05484 Status: R On Fri 19 May, David Pilling wrote: > As I understand the tale, yesterday, when you printed, you did get some= thing, > so something must have changed. Thanks for the reply; yes it did print but that was with the 'galley' opt= ion and ('sideways' on). I changed 'galley' to 'pamphlet' with 'sideways on' because two A4 sheets= (four altogether when you take the other side in account) next to eachother on = an A3 sheet. I also had 'fron' on because I have to print the second side manually. I didn't have time yet to print A5 in the same way as above but on A4 sheets. Basically that's what I want but then larger. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 Karperdaal 86 2553 PK Den Haag tel. 070-3175260=20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 20 02:13:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126846 for opro ; Sat, 20 May 100 02:13:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958775939:11:14648:17; Fri, 19 May 2000 22:38:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004200; 19 May 2000 22:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05431 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 May 2000 23:37:11 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05426 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 23:37:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12svOH-0000un-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 May 2000 22:37:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:28:45 GMT Message-Id: <126837@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Single Shift Font X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >how do I make a bullet from my single shift font 4pts larger than my body >text without selecting and manually altering each one? You could define a button/key which sets a user style, outputs the bullet point, and then clears the user style. The user defined styles setting a size and a font. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 20 13:24:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126861 for opro ; Sat, 20 May 100 13:24:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958789126:10:00541:16; Sat, 20 May 2000 02:18:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000477; 20 May 2000 2:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06073 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:15:22 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06068 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:15:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12syn7-0009V6-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 May 2000 02:15:02 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 02:32:44 GMT Message-Id: <126856@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A3 pamphlet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I changed 'galley' to 'pamphlet' with 'sideways on' because two A4 sheets (four >altogether when you take the other side in account) next to eachother on an >A3 sheet. Of course changing to 'pamhlet' print format will reset the print scale and set sideways. >I also had 'fron' on because I have to print the second side manually. say you have a 10 page document, you've got to print pages 1 to 10 for both sides in pamphlet mode. You can't set up pages 1 to 10 for one side, and then set off doing 1 to 1, then 2 to 2 for the reverse. Obviously you use the single sheet print facility to do single sheets. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 21:59:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126880 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 21:59:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958946349:20:20955:16; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:59:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020453; 21 May 2000 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23227 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:55:20 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23224 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:55:14 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-43.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.109]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22527 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:52:32 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:06:07 +1200 Subject: Re: Postscript printing Message-ID: <49c25890bbtim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <126821@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <126821@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <126821@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Something like if the paper name is "XX ", then XX is > issued as a command to the printer. So if XX is A4 that is what your > printer is told to do. Is this an issue only if A# *starts* the new name, or will the drivers default at any mention of A#? ie, A4 Plus, say, will be interpreted as common/garden A4, whereas Plus A4, or PlusA4 will acknowledge the new paper size? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:00:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126886 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:00:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958988898:20:21869:17; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:48:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109131; 22 May 2000 9:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25055 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:39:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25052 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:39:57 +0100 Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12togl-0005qR-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:39:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:33:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Table Mate Message-ID: <49c29d03f2ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c293fb84john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <97334cc049%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> <3928E59D.F1A342B0@sees.bangor.ac.uk> <49c293fb84john@cartmell.demon.c User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c293fb84john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <3928E59D.F1A342B0@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, > John P. Kerslake wrote: > > What is the latest version of Tablemate? & How do I upgrade? > 5.00b > George Buchanan > Dalriada Data Technology > 74 Greville Road > Warwick > CV34 5PJ Does 5.00b include angled text ? What additions from 5.00a? Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:00:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126888 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:00:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958993804:20:18194:17; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:10:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101773; 22 May 2000 11:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25302 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:55:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25297 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:54:57 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12tprM-000EU3-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:54:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:36:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Table Mate Message-ID: <49c2a2be09john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c29d03f2ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> References: <97334cc049%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> <3928E59D.F1A342B0@sees.bangor.ac.uk> <49c293fb84john@cartmell.demon.c User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c29d03f2ian@lowri.demon.co.uk>, Ian Lowry wrote: > Does 5.00b include angled text ? What additions from 5.00a? 90 degrees. Bug fixes - nothing else noted. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs bespoke products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:00:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126900 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:00:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958939966:10:05869:16; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:12:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005695; 21 May 2000 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22904 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:05:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22901 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:05:05 +0100 Received: from userez06.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.19.77] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12tby7-000052-00; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:04:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:58:07 +0100 Subject: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Upgrading from Impression to OvationPro, one App I miss is Wordworks. This is a full dictionary and thesaurus which, when oopened on the desktop, reacts to double clicking a word. In fact any words highlighted or selected in Impression are automatically looked up in the dictioary and thesaurus. I can still use it of course by typing the word I want in. Is it possible to get OvationPro to react in the same way? I don't know if there is a module in Wordworks which checks for words in Impression or if Impression knows about Wordworks and sends it the word. Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:00:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126907 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:00:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959020327:20:17884:17; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:32:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117055; 22 May 2000 18:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01175 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:29:45 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.server.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01172 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:29:43 +0100 Received: from m1018-mp1-cvx1a ([62.252.199.250]) by mta02-svc.server.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000522192929.BTIZ10065.mta02-svc.server.ntlworld.com@m1018-mp1-cvx1a> for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:29:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:23:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Type-5 error Message-ID: <49c2cd838ejms@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin Randall wrote: > Please help. > Whilst working on a magazine, Ovation Pro suddenly produced an 'Internal > Error - Type 5' message and promptly disappeared from the screen. I have > tried reloading it, but it refuses and keeps generating the same > message. Other Ovation Pro documents load okay, but I have done a week's > work on this document and I don't want to have to start again! > Any ideas or help welcomed. I am using Ovation Pro version 2.55. > Colin Dropping the file onto !Edit will allow you to save out any Text. Your clock seems wildly out, might have some relevance. -- John Sandford Herts Uk. mail: jms@argonet.co.uk / sandford@ntlworld.com Domain: www: http://www.sandford-1.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:00:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126909 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:00:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958981891:10:28067:16; Mon, 22 May 2000 07:51:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128394; 22 May 2000 7:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24378 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:43:02 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24375 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:42:59 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01356 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:42:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3928E59D.F1A342B0@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:45:33 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Table Mate References: <97334cc049%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro What is the latest version of Tablemate? & How do I upgrade? Ken Paton wrote: > In message <49bba3edcdbob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> > Bob Ansell wrote: > > > In article <6ab818bb49%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk>, > > Ken Paton wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > Is it possible to import tables from Tablemate into OvationPro > > > so that the the lines around the cells are imported along with the > > > text? > > > > Yes! Just drag a TableMate file into a frame or save straight from TableMate > > into a frame. OLE works fine too. > > > > Bob > > > I was exporting from Tablemate as a DDF file and importing that into OvationPRO, > and had not thought of trying to import a Tablemate file directly. > The DDF file imports with tabs between the fields, but without the cell border. > > -- > Ken Paton > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:00:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126910 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:00:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959023916:20:19886:21; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:31:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019584; 22 May 2000 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01440 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:28:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01437 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:28:40 +0100 Received: from userck41.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.83) [62.188.154.83] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12txsU-00024G-00; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:28:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Goodier) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:54:26 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.50 Subject: Re: Type-5 error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 22 May (08:50:06), carandall@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Whilst working on a magazine, Ovation Pro suddenly produced an >'Internal Error - Type 5' message and promptly disappeared from the >screen. I have tried reloading it, but it refuses and keeps generating >the same message. Other Ovation Pro documents load okay, but I have >done a week's work on this document and I don't want to have to start >again! This usually means you're running short of memory to handle the document you're working on. Try quitting everything unnecessary and shift to a low res. screen mode like Mode 12. Make sure that your font cache is limited to about 64k or 128k and that Ovation doesn't load it's spell checker or dictionary module. Then try reloading your document. If this works, consider splitting the document over two or more files so that you can work on it under more normal conditions. If you've got loads and loads of spare memory, forget I ever said anything ;-) -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:00:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126911 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:00:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958981994:10:02047:16; Mon, 22 May 2000 07:53:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101602; 22 May 2000 7:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24437 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:49:42 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA24434 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:49:40 +0100 Received: from userck34.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.76) [62.188.154.76] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12tmy3-0004hu-00; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:49:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Randall) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 08:50:06 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Type-5 error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Please help. Whilst working on a magazine, Ovation Pro suddenly produced an 'Internal Error - Type 5' message and promptly disappeared from the screen. I have tried reloading it, but it refuses and keeps generating the same message. Other Ovation Pro documents load okay, but I have done a week's work on this document and I don't want to have to start again! Any ideas or help welcomed. I am using Ovation Pro version 2.55. Colin -- The Parishes of Croglin, Holme Eden and Wetheral with Warwick http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/carandall _____________________ carandall@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:00:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126912 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:00:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959024316:20:26620:17; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:38:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026579; 22 May 2000 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01514 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:36:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01511 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:36:02 +0100 Received: from usereo56.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.54) [62.188.15.54] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12txzd-0002gv-00; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:36:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr J W Lupton) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:34:56 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: RISC OS 4 and O-Pro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Apologies if this has been answered a hundred times before, but I can't find the answer anywhere! I finally took the plunge at Wakefield and bought RISCOS 4.02. The installation manual tells me to un-install certain applications, including Ovation Pro. DO I need to do this, and if so, how? I have version 2.58, but the latest disc with uninstall on it is 2.52, and doesn't seem to do the trick. Help! Jonathan Lupton -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ jwlupton@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:00:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126913 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:00:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958982153:11:06800:16; Mon, 22 May 2000 07:55:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106685; 22 May 2000 7:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24415 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:49:03 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24412 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:49:00 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01421 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:48:56 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3928E70D.A232F3D3@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:51:41 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Have you tried Thesaurus This also reacts to clicking on a word. Bob Ansell wrote: > Upgrading from Impression to OvationPro, one App I miss is Wordworks. This is > a full dictionary and thesaurus which, when oopened on the desktop, reacts to > double clicking a word. In fact any words highlighted or selected in > Impression are automatically looked up in the dictioary and thesaurus. I can > still use it of course by typing the word I want in. > > Is it possible to get OvationPro to react in the same way? I don't know if > there is a module in Wordworks which checks for words in Impression or if > Impression knows about Wordworks and sends it the word. > > Bob > > -- > Bob Ansell > Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk > Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:01:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126915 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:01:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 958983758:10:24904:17; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:22:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129424; 22 May 2000 8:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24649 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:20:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24646 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:20:04 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12tnRT-000EQu-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:20:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:55:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Table Mate Message-ID: <49c293fb84john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3928E59D.F1A342B0@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <97334cc049%kenpaton@n10006851.zetnet.co.uk> <3928E59D.F1A342B0@sees.bangor.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <3928E59D.F1A342B0@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John P. Kerslake wrote: > What is the latest version of Tablemate? & How do I upgrade? 5.00b George Buchanan Dalriada Data Technology 74 Greville Road Warwick CV34 5PJ -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs bespoke products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:01:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126923 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:01:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959018634:10:03068:16; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:03:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121575; 22 May 2000 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01038 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:43:59 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01035 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:43:54 +0100 Received: from userec68.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.148) [62.188.10.148] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12twF7-0006P9-00; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:43:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 00:56:18 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Postscript printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 22 May 2000 (09:06:07 +1200), tim@de-sig.co.nz wrote: > > Something like if the paper name is "XX ", then XX is > > issued as a command to the printer. So if XX is A4 that is what your > > printer is told to do. > > Is this an issue only if A# *starts* the new name, or will the drivers > default at any mention of A#? There are two issues here. Firstly the whole name is used by the printer and DTP package when defining page margins etc. ie `A4 paper size' gives the minimum possible margins and `A4 Generic' a larger margin. However some earlier printer drivers cannot achieve the maximun margins. Secondly modern printers often select the input paper tray by generic sizes ie A4, A3, etc. and will load paper from a tray loaded with the correct size paper. The driver can only pass on this information if the paper name given STARTS with A3, A4 etc. I now find that the modern Postscript drivers and printers work very well with respect to minimum margins and tray selection UNLESS you want to do something exotic like take a thicker paper for the cover sheet when printing collated. This is possible but currently messy - unless anyone knows differently!! Hope this helps John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:51:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126960 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:51:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959029522:20:01048:22; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:05:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000670; 22 May 2000 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01813 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:01:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA01809 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:01:38 +0100 Received: from useret71.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.56) [62.188.17.56] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12tzKS-0006Or-00; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:01:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:32:11 +0100 Subject: Re: RISC OS 4 and O-Pro Message-ID: <49c2d94b66robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mr J W Lupton wrote: > Apologies if this has been answered a hundred times before, but I can't > find the answer anywhere! > I finally took the plunge at Wakefield and bought RISCOS 4.02. The > installation manual tells me to un-install certain applications, > including Ovation Pro. > DO I need to do this, and if so, how? I have version 2.58, but the > latest disc with uninstall on it is 2.52, and doesn't seem to do the > trick. > Help! > Jonathan Luton You can ignore this completely if you are not reformatting your hard disc to use the new format type. If you are reformatting then you can still ignore it but you will have to re-install OvationPro from your original discs and then re-apply any subsequent upgrades. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon May 22 22:51:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126961 for opro ; Mon, 22 May 100 22:51:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959029812:10:01223:17; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:10:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105477; 22 May 2000 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01869 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:07:54 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01866 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:07:53 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-120.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.120]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA14299 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:07:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:09:58 +0100 (BST) From: Alfred Chamings Subject: Re: RISC OS 4 and O-Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: At home, 0131 664 1344 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 22 May, Mr J W Lupton wrote: > Apologies if this has been answered a hundred times before, but I can't > find the answer anywhere! > > I finally took the plunge at Wakefield and bought RISCOS 4.02. The > installation manual tells me to un-install certain applications, including > Ovation Pro. No, this was a wrong assumption that OPro had the same kind of credit system that Iota use. But, if you reformat your harddisc to get the benefit of the new format then you will need to re-instal which means going back to the disc version and using the appropriate upgrade package from DP's netlink site. Regards Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 23 01:48:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126965 for opro ; Tue, 23 May 100 01:48:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959032751:20:25054:19; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:59:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127689; 22 May 2000 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02119 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:54:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02111 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:54:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12u0A0-000LV2-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:54:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:45:56 GMT Message-Id: <126956@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RISC OS 4 and O-Pro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I finally took the plunge at Wakefield and bought RISCOS 4.02. The >installation manual tells me to un-install certain applications, including >Ovation Pro. >DO I need to do this NO! >and if so, how? You can't. It is erroneous advice. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 23 01:48:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126964 for opro ; Tue, 23 May 100 01:47:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959033352:10:12868:16; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:09:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118683; 22 May 2000 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02074 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:52:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02071 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:52:02 +0100 Received: from usera767.uk.uudial.com (193.149.69.5) [193.149.69.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12u07D-0000aM-00; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:52:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:43:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk>, Bob Ansell wrote: > Is it possible to get OvationPro to react in the same way? I don't know > if there is a module in Wordworks which checks for words in Impression > or if Impression knows about Wordworks and sends it the word. > Bob Yes!!!! I've written an applet to allow this - it works OK here with WWorks 1.05 and OP 2.58. I'll mail it to you and also the OP resources site. David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 23 01:48:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126966 for opro ; Tue, 23 May 100 01:48:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959032980:20:28753:22; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:03:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028650; 22 May 2000 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02114 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:54:54 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02107 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:54:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12u09y-000LV2-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:54:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:40:28 GMT Message-Id: <126954@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type-5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Whilst working on a magazine, Ovation Pro suddenly produced an 'Internal Error >- Type 5' message and promptly disappeared from the screen. I have tried >reloading it, but it refuses and keeps generating the same message. Other >Ovation Pro documents load okay, but I have done a week's work on this document >and I don't want to have to start again! Probably the document is now corrupt. If you send it me I might be able to retrieve it. (not by email if it is big). >I am using Ovation Pro version 2.55. The corruption might well be due to a bug in OPro (bit of a laugh if it is one that is fixed in a later version), but such events have also been due to other causes. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 23 01:48:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA126968 for opro ; Tue, 23 May 100 01:48:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959032985:20:28838:42; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:03:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028813; 22 May 2000 22:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02120 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:54:59 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25237 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:30:59 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e4MAUtU04321 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:30:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id e4MAUr121887 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:30:55 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Postscript printing Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:30:05 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <49c25890bbtim@de-sig.co.nz> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tim King wrote: > Is this an issue only if A# *starts* the new name, or will the drivers > default at any mention of A#? At the start. > ie, A4 Plus, say, will be interpreted as common/garden A4, whereas > Plus A4, or PlusA4 will acknowledge the new paper size? It's the first distinct word. So, for example, "A4" is treated distinctly from "A4Extra" which is treated distinctly from "SRA4". I wrote an article about the PS side of this in Acorn Publisher a couple of years ago. It's also covered (in more technical terms) in one of the later Acorn application notes (perhaps no. 248, from memory) which used to be on acorn ftp. You'd most likely find it on an old mag cover CD. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 23 15:27:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127001 for opro ; Tue, 23 May 100 15:27:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959059306:20:17756:16; Tue, 23 May 2000 05:21:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125406; 23 May 2000 5:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03384 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:18:06 +0100 Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03381 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:18:04 +0100 Received: from loopback (usercl74.uk.uudial.com [62.188.154.215]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 734F84501 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:18:03 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:18:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c3097195dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk>, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk>, > Bob Ansell wrote: > > Is it possible to get OvationPro to react in the same way? I don't know > > if there is a module in Wordworks which checks for words in Impression > > or if Impression knows about Wordworks and sends it the word. > > Bob > Yes!!!! > I've written an applet to allow this - it works OK here with WWorks 1.05 > and OP 2.58. I'll mail it to you and also the OP resources site. > David Breakwell I can't find any applet on the resources site that does what you say... Please, what's it called. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From carandall@argonet.co.uk Tue May 23 15:27:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127010 for opro ; Tue, 23 May 100 15:27:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959083440:20:00409:1; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:04:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000565; 23 May 2000 12:03 GMT Received: from userfl64.uk.uudial.com (62.188.24.53) [62.188.24.53] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12uDPd-0000eN-00; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:03:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Randall) Reply-To: carandall@argonet.co.uk To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 May 13:04:57 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Type-5 error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Status: R On Mon 22 May (22:40:28), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >>Whilst working on a magazine, Ovation Pro suddenly produced an >'Internal Error >>- Type 5' message and promptly disappeared from the screen. I have >tried >>reloading it, but it refuses and keeps generating the same message. >Other >>Ovation Pro documents load okay, but I have done a week's work on this >document >>and I don't want to have to start again! > >Probably the document is now corrupt. If you send it me I might be >able to retrieve it. (not by email if it is big). > Thanks for the offer but as it is 10.5 MB I won't. I have started to redo the document with more frequent saves (as different names as a safeguard) >>I am using Ovation Pro version 2.55. > >The corruption might well be due to a bug in OPro (bit of a laugh if it >is one that is fixed in a later version), but such events have also >been due to other >causes. > I downloaded 2.58 from the Web Site and now have a new problem. I put two copies of 2.52 onto my zip disk, and upgraded one of them. In order to test the upgrade I had to run the install programme, and it worked fine. I then sought to copy the upgraded version back to my hard-disk (to replace 2.55), it copied across but when I tried to load it I was again asked for the install program, but this time when I dragged the icon onto the Installation window I got the message "Please use the copy of Install supplied with that program" and it won't do anything. This means that at the moment I can only run OvPro from my zip drive and not the hard disk. What can I do? (Incidendally the old document still threw up the 'Type 5' error, so it seems the document is irredeemably corrupt. One person suggested I load the document into Edit to access the text, I had already tried this but it seemed not to work in that all I got was gobbledegook) Yours, Colin (who normally has no problems with Ovation Pro and am very fond of it) -- The Parishes of Croglin, Holme Eden and Wetheral with Warwick http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/carandall _____________________ carandall@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 23 15:27:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127011 for opro ; Tue, 23 May 100 15:27:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959059900:10:13363:16; Tue, 23 May 2000 05:31:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119963; 23 May 2000 5:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03460 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:28:15 +0100 Received: from mail.wave.co.nz (IDENT:root@mail.wave.co.nz [203.96.216.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03457 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:28:10 +0100 Received: from albion (p2.hn1.wave.co.nz [203.96.192.2]) by mail.wave.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13486 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:28:00 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:23:05 +1200 Subject: Postscript printing Message-ID: <49c309e68bkh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings, On 22 May, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Tim King wrote: > > Is this an issue only if A# *starts* the new name, or will the drivers > > default at any mention of A#? > At the start. > > ie, A4 Plus, say, will be interpreted as common/garden A4, whereas > > Plus A4, or PlusA4 will acknowledge the new paper size? > It's the first distinct word. So, for example, "A4" is treated distinctly > from "A4Extra" which is treated distinctly from "SRA4". I wondered when/whether someone was going to mention the SRA family of paper sizes - as any print shop around here seems to like its films set up for those sizes - but mainly SRA1, SRA2, SRA3. For jobbing printers I have also used SRA4. Undoubtedly a sort of 'standard' in the printing world. Ketih -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 23 17:30:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127025 for opro ; Tue, 23 May 100 17:30:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959093909:10:21665:18; Tue, 23 May 2000 14:58:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021431; 23 May 2000 14:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04712 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:35:44 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04709 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:35:42 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12uFmW-0000Qs-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:35:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:34:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c33c68beC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c3097195dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c3097195dfs@u User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c3097195dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk>, > Mr Breakwell wrote: > > In article <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk>, > > Bob Ansell wrote: > > > Is it possible to get OvationPro to react in the same way? I don't know > > > if there is a module in Wordworks which checks for words in Impression > > > or if Impression knows about Wordworks and sends it the word. > > > Bob > > Yes!!!! > > I've written an applet to allow this - it works OK here with WWorks 1.05 > > and OP 2.58. I'll mail it to you and also the OP resources site. > > David Breakwell > I can't find any applet on the resources site that does what you say... > Please, what's it called. It is now on the resources web site - whats new to find it quickly. Regards -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 23 22:26:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127045 for opro ; Tue, 23 May 100 22:26:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959114623:10:09893:17; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:43:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128341; 23 May 2000 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05590 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:38:05 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05587 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:38:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 7294 invoked from network); 23 May 2000 20:38:02 -0000 Received: from usera709.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.68.201) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 23 May 2000 20:38:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:20:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c35c110adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49c33c68beC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c3097195dfs@u User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c33c68beC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <49c3097195dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk>, > > Mr Breakwell wrote: [Snip] > > > Yes!!!! > > > I've written an applet to allow this - it works OK here with WWorks > > > 1.05 and OP 2.58. I'll mail it to you and also the OP resources site. > > > David Breakwell > > I can't find any applet on the resources site that does what you say... > > Please, what's it called. > It is now on the resources web site - whats new to find it quickly. > Regards Thanks for that info Chris. I've downloaded it and set it up with a tool button (with suitable icon), which I prefer to any key presses. Works a treat, I'm on WW version 1.06 This is something I've wanted for ages. Good work D.B. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 24 01:31:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127049 for opro ; Wed, 24 May 100 01:31:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959119466:20:03411:27; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:04:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002980; 23 May 2000 22:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05836 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:58:29 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05833 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:58:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 18184 invoked from network); 23 May 2000 22:04:02 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 23 May 2000 22:04:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 27977 invoked from network); 23 May 2000 21:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.68.118) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 23 May 2000 21:56:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:03:40 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Paper sizes (was: Postscript printing) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <49c309e68bkh@waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 23 May, Keith Hopper wrote: > Greetings, > > I wondered when/whether someone was going to mention the SRA family of > paper sizes - as any print shop around here seems to like its films set up > for those sizes - but mainly SRA1, SRA2, SRA3. For jobbing printers I have > also used SRA4. Undoubtedly a sort of 'standard' in the printing world. > > Ketih > Could you (Keith) or someone post the dimensions of the SRAx series of paper sizes, please. I cannot find that I have any reference which gives them. (Interestingly the Sibelius manual does give a couple of B sizes (B4 = 250 x 354mm and B5 = 177 x 250mm) but no RA or SRA sizes.) Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 24 13:31:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127078 for opro ; Wed, 24 May 100 13:31:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959149797:10:27963:16; Wed, 24 May 2000 06:29:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114204; 24 May 2000 6:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06922 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:25:07 +0100 Received: from protactinium ([194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06919 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:25:05 +0100 Received: from [62.6.92.113] (helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12uUbE-0006qb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:25:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:22:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Paper sizes (was: Postscript printing) Message-ID: <49c393385fdarprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: References: <49c309e68bkh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 23 May, Keith Hopper wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > I wondered when/whether someone was going to mention the SRA > > family of paper sizes - as any print shop around here seems to like > > its films set up for those sizes - but mainly SRA1, SRA2, SRA3. For > > jobbing printers I have also used SRA4. Undoubtedly a sort of > > 'standard' in the printing world. > > > > Ketih > > > Could you (Keith) or someone post the dimensions of the SRAx series of > paper sizes, please. I cannot find that I have any reference which gives > them. (Interestingly the Sibelius manual does give a couple of B sizes > (B4 = 250 x 354mm and B5 = 177 x 250mm) but no RA or SRA sizes.) > Anthony Hilton SRA1 - 640 x 900 SRA2 - 450 x 640 SRA3 - 320 x 450 SRA4 - 225 x 320 RA1 - 610 x 860 RA2 - 430 x 610 RA3 - 305 x 430 RA4 - 215 x 305 All sizes in mm -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 24 19:35:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127102 for opro ; Wed, 24 May 100 19:35:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959189610:20:07603:61; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:33:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007836; 24 May 2000 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08363 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:27:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08360 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:27:18 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12uew9-000Eav-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:27:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:24:31 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49c33c68beC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 23 May, Chris Johnson wrote: [snip] > It is now on the resources web site - whats new to find it quickly. > The link does not work (tried to move a non-existent label), although I did manage to download by asking for download/wordworks.zip: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/download/wordworks.zip Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share M.A. roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / L U P U S: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 24 19:35:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127104 for opro ; Wed, 24 May 100 19:35:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959190766:20:06313:16; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:52:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125506; 24 May 2000 17:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08503 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:48:42 +0100 Received: from dervish.mail.pipex.net (dervish.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08500 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:48:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 9869 invoked from network); 24 May 2000 17:48:39 -0000 Received: from usercd07.uk.uudial.com (HELO gateway.net) (62.188.151.118) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 May 2000 17:48:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:47:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c3d1dfe3rmking@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49c33c68beC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c3097195dfs@u User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c33c68beC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > I've written an applet to allow this - it works OK here with WWorks 1.05 > and OP 2.58. Your applet also works with WWorks 1.06 as well. Cheers, Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 24 19:35:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127105 for opro ; Wed, 24 May 100 19:35:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959191355:20:19601:30; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:02:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116134; 24 May 2000 18:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08570 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:59:07 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08567 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:59:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 29677 invoked from network); 24 May 2000 17:58:59 -0000 Received: from userca32.uk.uudial.com (HELO userca32) (62.188.150.100) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 May 2000 17:58:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:38:48 +0100 From: Steve Harratt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c3097195dfs@u <49c33c68beC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> <49c35c110adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49c35c110adfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49c35c110adfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <49c33c68beC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, > Chris Johnson wrote: > > In article <49c3097195dfs@ukgateway.net>, > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk>, > > > Mr Breakwell wrote: > > [Snip] > > > > > Yes!!!! > > > > > I've written an applet to allow this - it works OK here with WWorks > > > > 1.05 and OP 2.58. I'll mail it to you and also the OP resources site. > > > > > David Breakwell > > > > I can't find any applet on the resources site that does what you say... > > > Please, what's it called. > > > It is now on the resources web site - whats new to find it quickly. > > > Regards > > Thanks for that info Chris. > I've downloaded it and set it up with a tool button (with suitable icon), > which I prefer to any key presses. > > Works a treat, I'm on WW version 1.06 > > This is something I've wanted for ages. Good work D.B. > > Cheers > Dave S > Hello I too have set it up with version 1.06 of WW. How do you set it up with a Tool Button, please. Cheers Steve -- Some like it HOT I like mine COOL -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 24 20:37:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127108 for opro ; Wed, 24 May 100 20:37:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959196160:11:27013:65; Wed, 24 May 2000 19:22:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127512; 24 May 2000 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08849 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 May 2000 20:03:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08846 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 20:03:56 +0100 Received: from usered15.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12ugRf-0006qj-00; Wed, 24 May 2000 20:03:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:55:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c3544dacbob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk>, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk>, > Bob Ansell wrote: > > Is it possible to get OvationPro to react in the same way? I don't know > > if there is a module in Wordworks which checks for words in Impression > > or if Impression knows about Wordworks and sends it the word. > > Bob > Yes!!!! > I've written an applet to allow this - it works OK here with WWorks 1.05 > and OP 2.58. I'll mail it to you and also the OP resources site. > David Breakwell My thanks to David. This App works fine. It needs ^F11 once a word is highlighted to activate or transfer the word to WordWorks. Is it possible to make the transfer to WordWprks automatic so that it reacts to the double clicking and highlighting a word? Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 24 22:22:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127120 for opro ; Wed, 24 May 100 22:21:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959199065:10:10364:30; Wed, 24 May 2000 20:11:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129146; 24 May 2000 20:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09125 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:04:08 +0100 Received: from dervish.mail.pipex.net (dervish.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09122 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:04:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 28479 invoked from network); 24 May 2000 20:04:05 -0000 Received: from useray79.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.139.169) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 May 2000 20:04:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:01:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c3de28c9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c3097195dfs@u User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Harratt wrote: > In message <49c35c110adfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > > > > Thanks for that info Chris. > > I've downloaded it and set it up with a tool button (with suitable icon), > > which I prefer to any key presses. > > > > Works a treat, I'm on WW version 1.06 > > > > This is something I've wanted for ages. Good work D.B. > > > > Cheers > > Dave S > > > Hello > I too have set it up with version 1.06 of WW. > How do you set it up with a Tool Button, please. > Cheers > Steve I threaded some cotton on to a small sewing needle, took a suitable button and sewed it on to my tool... Ouch! But seriously... 1) Look inside the !WordWorks app for the WW Sprite, copy it out. Change it's name to something suitable and reduce its size in Paint.. X and Y size .60 ( that's 0.60). 2) Put this new sprite in !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Buttons22 (and maybe "Buttons" depending on the resolution you use). 3) Start Ov Pro 4) Open the Macro dialogue window and create a new button. Use the new sprite you've just worked on, then in the writable area of the Macro put. {call_wworks()} (That's "Curly bracket call underline wworks Open and close plain brackets close curly bracket") 5) Save at the bottom of the Macro window. Anyway works for me. Of course you do need WordWorks running.. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 24 22:22:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127122 for opro ; Wed, 24 May 100 22:22:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959202942:20:18467:16; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:15:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101274; 24 May 2000 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09408 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:10:49 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09405 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:10:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 23097 invoked from network); 24 May 2000 21:16:26 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 May 2000 21:16:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 14865 invoked from network); 24 May 2000 21:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.76.130) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 May 2000 21:09:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:05:54 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Paper sizes (was: Postscript printing) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <49c393385fdarprint@btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 24 May, Roger Mayne wrote: > > SRA1 - 640 x 900 > SRA2 - 450 x 640 > SRA3 - 320 x 450 > SRA4 - 225 x 320 > > RA1 - 610 x 860 > RA2 - 430 x 610 > RA3 - 305 x 430 > RA4 - 215 x 305 > > All sizes in mm > Thank you Roger, I've filed it in my DTP directory. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 25 01:40:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127136 for opro ; Thu, 25 May 100 01:40:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959210871:20:11535:19; Wed, 24 May 2000 23:27:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2102509; 24 May 2000 23:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09749 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:18:29 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09746 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:18:25 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-69.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.69]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09882 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:48:15 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:08:17 +0930 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 23 May, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk>, > Bob Ansell wrote: > > Is it possible to get OvationPro to react in the same way? I don't know > > if there is a module in Wordworks which checks for words in Impression > > or if Impression knows about Wordworks and sends it the word. > > > Bob > > Yes!!!! > > I've written an applet to allow this - it works OK here with WWorks 1.05 > and OP 2.58. I'll mail it to you and also the OP resources site. Is it to be found on a web site and what is it called? Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 25 13:13:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127145 for opro ; Thu, 25 May 100 13:13:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959244956:20:25321:17; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:55:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128976; 25 May 2000 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11004 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:48:48 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11001 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:48:45 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12utJq-0003Qu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:48:42 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA24514 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:47:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:46:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c4242784C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49c33c68beC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Rosalind M. Share wrote: > On Tue 23 May, Chris Johnson wrote: > [snip] > > It is now on the resources web site - whats new to find it quickly. > > > The link does not work (tried to move a non-existent label), > although I did manage to download by asking for > download/wordworks.zip: > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/download/wordworks.zip Strange Ros - it works fine here, and I have just checked the html source, and the label is there, correct case and all. Proxy problem maybe? Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 25 13:14:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127152 for opro ; Thu, 25 May 100 13:14:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959245065:10:24124:16; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:57:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023872; 25 May 2000 8:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10999 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:48:42 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10996 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:48:40 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12utJm-000Cqh-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:48:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:21:36 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <54ea21c449.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c3097195dfs@u <49c33c68beC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> <49c35c110adfs@ukgateway.net> <49c3de28c9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49c3de28c9dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Dave Symes wrote: > 2) Put this new sprite in !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Buttons22 (and maybe > "Buttons" depending on the resolution you use). I believe that the sprite file should actually be in the AResources directory within the applet. This means that you can track down which sprite belongs to which applet, rather than lumping them all together within the global resources directory. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 25 13:14:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127153 for opro ; Thu, 25 May 100 13:14:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959245971:11:23282:25; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:12:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124385; 25 May 2000 9:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11126 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:02:02 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11123 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:02:00 +0100 From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14331 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:01:57 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id LAA20646 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu, 25 May 2000 11:02:53 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568EA.0031A21C.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:01:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> The link does not work (tried to move a non-existent label), >> although I did manage to download by asking for >> download/wordworks.zip: >> http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/download/wordworks.zip >Strange Ros - it works fine here, and I have just checked the html >source, and the label is there, correct case and all. Proxy problem >maybe? Just to let you know it has just worked fine for me. It must have been just one of those things Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 25 13:15:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127158 for opro ; Thu, 25 May 100 13:15:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959254194:10:00144:92; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:29:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008004; 25 May 2000 11:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11657 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:14:47 +0100 Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (smtp3.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11654 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:14:44 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2537.singnet.com.sg [165.21.55.47]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA15354 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:14:30 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:08:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Curious feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49c3de28c9dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anybody help me round a curious 'feature' of Ovation? This morning I needed to take a copy of an Ovation document to work on 'another kind of computer'. I loaded it in, used 'Save Story' as usual to put the text onto a floppy and trotted off to the fun factory. But when I got there, the cupboard was bare. Well nearly - only the first chapter was on disc. Much panic, have I lost eleven chapters? Checked this evening to find all was well, but Ovation only saves the current chapter. Selecting all text, then using 'Save Selection' gives the same result. I got round it by saving each chapter as a text file then joining them up using !Edit. But I can't help feeling there must be an easier way . . . Any suggestions, please? Cheers, -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 25 14:37:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127167 for opro ; Thu, 25 May 100 14:37:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959260936:20:27119:22; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:22:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026418; 25 May 2000 13:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12119 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:12:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12116 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:12:44 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12uxR0-000Bh6-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:12:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:08:33 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Curious feature Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Ian Oliver wrote: > This morning I needed to take a copy of an Ovation document to work on > 'another kind of computer'. I loaded it in, used 'Save Story' as usual to > put the text onto a floppy and trotted off to the fun factory. > > But when I got there, the cupboard was bare. Well nearly - only the first > chapter was on disc. That's exactly what it's supposed to do - save the current text story. This will generally be either the current chapter or even a shorter section: for example, if you had the cursor in the page number at the time you saved the story, you would probably just have ended up with a single number in the text file :-) HTH, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 25 18:10:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127187 for opro ; Thu, 25 May 100 18:10:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959271011:20:20438:47; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:10:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020541; 25 May 2000 16:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12752 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:57:51 +0100 Received: from mail.jakinternet.co.uk (qmailr@[212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12749 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:57:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 10809 invoked by uid 101); 25 May 2000 15:35:41 -0000 Received: from user383.jakinternet.co.uk (HELO worthy) (212.41.33.128) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk with SMTP; 25 May 2000 15:35:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:57:28 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Curious feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ian Oliver wrote: > On Thu 25 May, John Pettigrew wrote: > > > That's exactly what it's supposed to do - save the current text story. > > Hummmm. Not what I mean by 'story'. But thanks for the information. Suppose > I'd better remove all the chapter markers if I'm going to shuttle between > Ovation and Mickeycrap. Don't forget to dismount the disc before removing from Acorn - otherwise you can end up with partly written/garbage files. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 25 18:11:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127189 for opro ; Thu, 25 May 100 18:10:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959268603:11:19045:261; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:30:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116510; 25 May 2000 15:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12468 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:57:25 +0100 Received: from smtp4.singnet.com.sg (smtp4.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12465 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:57:17 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas1821.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.91]) by smtp4.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04987 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 22:57:14 +0800 (SGT) (envelope-from revilo@singnet.com.sg) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:42:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Curious feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings from the land of a thousand noodles. On Thu 25 May, John Pettigrew wrote: > That's exactly what it's supposed to do - save the current text story. This > will generally be either the current chapter or even a shorter section: for > example, if you had the cursor in the page number at the time you saved the > story, you would probably just have ended up with a single number in the text > file :-) Hummmm. Not what I mean by 'story'. But thanks for the information. Suppose I'd better remove all the chapter markers if I'm going to shuttle between Ovation and Mickeycrap. L'chaim, -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 25 21:13:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127197 for opro ; Thu, 25 May 100 21:13:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959278258:20:02275:38; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:10:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003465; 25 May 2000 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13160 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:05:53 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13157 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:05:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 556 invoked from network); 25 May 2000 18:05:46 -0000 Received: from userc991.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.109.195) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 May 2000 18:05:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Maillist OvPro Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:40:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c4550b54dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49c2106c1ebob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c3097195dfs@u In-Reply-To: <54ea21c449.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <54ea21c449.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous posting, Dave Symes wrote: > > 2) Put this new sprite in !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Buttons22 (and maybe > > "Buttons" depending on the resolution you use). > I believe that the sprite file should actually be in the AResources > directory within the applet. This means that you can track down which > sprite belongs to which applet, rather than lumping them all together > within the global resources directory. > John Well John, You are probably correct in what you say, unfortunately there is a problem... the WordWrks applet doesn't have an AResources directory.... So I did the obvious... Since reading your posting, I've created an AResources directory in the WW applet and put the button sprite in there, then removed the one from the central pool. Seems to work okay. Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 26 01:33:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127203 for opro ; Fri, 26 May 100 01:33:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959285850:10:02846:17; Thu, 25 May 2000 20:17:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120225; 25 May 2000 20:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13579 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:06:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13576 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:06:00 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12v3tC-0008hK-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 May 2000 20:05:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:39:19 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49c4242784C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 25 May, Chris Johnson wrote: [snip] > Strange Ros - it works fine here, and I have just checked the html > source, and the label is there, correct case and all. Proxy problem > maybe? > > Chris > It is OK now (yesterday when I tried it following the mindit message) but when I first tried it (after reading your post) I had the error message. I agree that it could be that the page was proxied and had not yet updated itself - and I did not think to re-load the page! Anyway, thanks for your continued hard work which is much appreciated. Kind reagrds, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share M.A. roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / L U P U S: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 26 01:33:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127212 for opro ; Fri, 26 May 100 01:33:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959297809:20:17111:16; Thu, 25 May 2000 23:36:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016994; 25 May 2000 23:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14021 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:28:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA14017 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:28:34 +0100 Received: from userek33.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.143) [62.188.13.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12v73H-0001S3-00; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:28:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:42:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c470b480davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear All, Thanks for all the interest in the Applet, I have now made a few tweaks following suggestions on the list and have sent version 1.01 to the resources site. This has the following changes * Reacts to double click (configurable) selections in the document and passes the word to WordWorks * Easy setup for Button Macro or Key Macro * Simpler to reconfigure * Selection of text when key macro used to allow replace option in WordWorks to be used * Adjustment of selected region to include leading space so replace is easy... (also configurable) Many thanks to Russell Palmer who suggested the last change :-) David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 26 01:34:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127214 for opro ; Fri, 26 May 100 01:34:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959300290:11:05130:16; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:18:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014081; 26 May 2000 0:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14186 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 May 2000 01:12:08 +0100 Received: from teapot16.domain4.bigpond.com (teapot16.domain4.bigpond.com [139.134.5.164]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA14183 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 01:12:04 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot16.domain4.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id va769231 for MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, Melbourne. Ph.:03 9355 7959/Fax03 9355 7980 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I use Opro v2.58 all day and every day and like it very much except I am have a lot of printing problems. It will not allow drag and drop printing. The App crashes with an error 5 I have to open each file to print I use a lot of PS files which I used to dragged individually for renaming but again I can only do it from an open file. When I have 30 files to do, this is very time consuming. Other files such as Draw or even Stylethere is no problems. Trying to Arcfax with Opro is impossible as It takes to long opening and closing files. I was using RO3.7 and found I could get about 3 files to drag and drop before a crash but now with RO4, I can not get any to D and D I believe I have tried all the obvious, ie background selected and so on. Looking forward to suggestions -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, 1/362 Bell St Pascoe Vale St Vic Aust. 3044, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 26 13:13:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127233 for opro ; Fri, 26 May 100 13:13:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959313445:10:27288:16; Fri, 26 May 2000 03:57:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127714; 26 May 2000 3:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14682 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 May 2000 04:53:54 +0100 Received: from mail.wave.co.nz (IDENT:root@mail.wave.co.nz [203.96.216.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14679 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 04:53:50 +0100 Received: from albion (p81.hn1.wave.co.nz [203.96.192.81]) by mail.wave.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA05537 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:53:45 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:09:38 +1200 Subject: Paper sizes (was: Postscript printing) Message-ID: <49c3e4651dkh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 May, Anthony Hilton wrote: > Could you (Keith) or someone post the dimensions of the SRAx series of > paper sizes, please. Your wish is my command :- SRA0 900 x 1280mm SRA1 640 x 900mm SRA2 450 x 640mm SRA3 320 x 450mm SRA4 225 x 320mm Rare except for jobbing printers here! 'nuff said? Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 26 13:13:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127236 for opro ; Fri, 26 May 100 13:13:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959339521:20:09608:27; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:12:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107358; 26 May 2000 11:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15523 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:59:13 +0100 Received: from smtp22.singnet.com.sg (smtp22.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15516 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:59:08 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2322.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.152]) by smtp22.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18969 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 18:58:58 +0800 (SGT) (envelope-from revilo@singnet.com.sg) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:38:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Curious feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 25 May, Tim Howarth wrote: > Don't forget to dismount the disc before removing from Acorn - otherwise > you can end up with partly written/garbage files. Curiouser and curiouser! Thanks for taking the trouble. Have a good weekend. -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 26 19:49:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127254 for opro ; Fri, 26 May 100 19:49:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959364539:11:29898:18; Fri, 26 May 2000 18:08:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129193; 26 May 2000 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17136 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 May 2000 19:02:34 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17133 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 19:02:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 17168 invoked from network); 26 May 2000 18:08:14 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 26 May 2000 18:08:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 21757 invoked from network); 26 May 2000 18:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.23) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 26 May 2000 18:01:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:36:29 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Paper sizes (was: Postscript printing) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <49c3e4651dkh@waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 24 May, Keith Hopper wrote: > On 24 May, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > Could you (Keith) or someone post the dimensions of the SRAx series of > > paper sizes, please. > > Your wish is my command :- > Thanks Keith, that added SRA0 to the ones previously posted. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 26 19:49:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127256 for opro ; Fri, 26 May 100 19:49:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959364568:10:27047:16; Fri, 26 May 2000 18:09:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100648; 26 May 2000 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17131 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 May 2000 19:01:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17128 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 19:01:12 +0100 Received: from userez01.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.19.72] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12vOQ2-0002jc-00; Fri, 26 May 2000 19:01:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:35:15 +0100 Subject: Vector files and Calligraph Message-ID: <49c4c7f5f8richard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Recently I've been playing with O-Pro's ability to handle Vector files. It works fine on screen with most files. But when printed to Calligraph - O-Pro prints blanks! I mention it in case the fix is simple (along the lines of FontFix maybe?). It's not a big problem to use plain drawfiles instead of Vector files however! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 27 17:31:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127277 for opro ; Sat, 27 May 100 17:31:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959443166:20:24918:22; Sat, 27 May 2000 15:59:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023215; 27 May 2000 15:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19417 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:53:59 +0100 Received: from mail.enterprise.net (mail.enterprise.net [194.72.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19414 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:53:57 +0100 Received: from pwalder.enterprise.net (cmax02-091.enterprise.net [212.161.113.91]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12389 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:53:51 +0100 (GMT/BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Walder To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:32:38 +0100 Subject: icon bar at top of page Message-ID: <49c5301735pwalder@enterprise.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Having just purchase OvationPro at Wakefield I would like to configure the icon bar at the top of the page to have two rows of icons rather than one. Is this possible? Peter Walder -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:53:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127283 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:53:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959445390:20:11335:17; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:36:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120119; 27 May 2000 16:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19593 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 May 2000 17:34:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19590 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 17:34:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12vjY5-000K0d-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:34:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:32:09 GMT Message-Id: <127279@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: icon bar at top of page X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Having just purchase OvationPro at Wakefield I would like to configure the >icon bar at the top of the page to have two rows of icons rather than one. >Is this possible? Yes... Control+Adjust Drag on the background to change the size. Then drag some buttons into the space. And then (bit that catches people out), save macros to save the configuration. There is an example multirow button bar on the release discs, which alas has a catch of its own, yes you can install it, but call it !Macros or else you'll find that saving the macro defitions has no effect. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:53:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127285 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:53:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959452498:20:12764:18; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:34:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108914; 27 May 2000 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19975 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 May 2000 19:30:15 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19972 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 19:30:13 +0100 Received: from p49s03a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.227.74] helo=p49s03a07) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12vlMw-0003FM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 May 2000 19:31:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:14:08 +0100 Subject: Re: icon bar at top of page Message-ID: <49c55fd5bbrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <127279@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127279@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <127279@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Having just purchase OvationPro at Wakefield I would like to configure > >the icon bar at the top of the page to have two rows of icons rather > >than one. Is this possible? > Yes... > Control+Adjust Drag on the background to change the size. Then drag > some buttons into the space. And then (bit that catches people out), > save macros to save the configuration. Could you please remind me how to get a gap before a macro button? I've forgotten most of the button move commands. While I'm at it, I have a 'save' button on the button bar. If I click it on a document that hasn't yet been saved, instead of bringing up the save box as F3 does, it brings up an error box with the 'Describe, Quit, Continue' options. Which seems a bit drastic. (2.58) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:53:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127293 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:53:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959495499:20:11513:20; Sun, 28 May 2000 06:31:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010323; 28 May 2000 6:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21414 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 May 2000 07:29:54 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21410 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 07:29:20 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-135.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.135]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02297 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 15:59:11 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:09:03 +0930 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Wordworks To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How does one get WordWorks to run without loading Impression first? Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:53:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127295 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:53:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959511307:20:15850:17; Sun, 28 May 2000 10:55:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113521; 28 May 2000 10:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22002 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:52:55 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21999 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:52:53 +0100 Received: from userev10.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.193) [62.188.17.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12w0gd-0004l7-00; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:52:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: Ovation Pro Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:17:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49c5b80211davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Peter Prewett wrote: > How does one get WordWorks to run without loading Impression first? Ensure ABIMod is RMLoaded - take a look at the !Hyperview application in the !CCShared application and in particular its !Run file. Tweak this and it should work. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:53:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127294 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:53:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959484228:11:04608:16; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:23:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104492; 28 May 2000 3:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21032 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 May 2000 04:21:30 +0100 Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (smtp03.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21029 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 04:21:27 +0100 Received: from platt.gol.com (tc-2-1-100.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.100]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 66422407F for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 12:21:24 +0900 (JST) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:21:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Paper sizes ----------- A bit of synchronicity. My ISP sends out a monthly not to users with a different topic each month. The last one was paper sizes. True, only A sizes but ... See http://provider.gol.com/vol03/0319/pick_e.html for more. Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com RISC OS 4 and StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:53:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127296 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:53:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959515561:20:05023:20; Sun, 28 May 2000 12:06:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004538; 28 May 2000 12:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22228 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 May 2000 13:03:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22225 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 13:03:38 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12w1n8-0002nR-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 May 2000 12:03:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Ovation Pro Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:50:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49c5aa889djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Peter Prewett wrote: > How does one get WordWorks to run without loading Impression first? Has the filer seen Impression? Mine works OK without running !Style but !Style and WW are in the same directory. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs bespoke products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:54:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127305 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:54:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959523182:11:02637:16; Sun, 28 May 2000 14:13:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102468; 28 May 2000 14:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22550 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 May 2000 15:09:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA22547 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 15:09:52 +0100 Received: from userev41.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.224) [62.188.17.224] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12w3lH-0002LD-00; Sun, 28 May 2000 15:09:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 14:04:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Wordworks with OvationPro - Is it possible? Message-ID: <49c5cccc5edavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear All, Thanks for all the interest in the Applet, I have now made a few tweaks following suggestions on the list and have sent version 1.01 to the resources site. This has the following changes * Reacts to double click (configurable) selections in the document and passes the word to WordWorks * Easy setup for Button Macro or Key Macro * Simpler to reconfigure * Selection of text when key macro used to allow replace option in WordWorks to be used * Adjustment of selected region to include leading space so replace is easy... (also configurable) Many thanks to Russell Palmer who suggested the last change :-) David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:54:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127314 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:54:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959586249:20:22372:19; Mon, 29 May 2000 07:44:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021593; 29 May 2000 7:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24942 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 May 2000 08:41:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA24939 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 08:41:25 +0100 Received: from userar10.uk.uudial.com (62.188.136.169) [62.188.136.169] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12wKAu-0007CQ-00; Mon, 29 May 2000 08:41:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:41:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks applet Message-ID: <49c62d9167sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <39318249.7A3CF828@netvision.net.il> References: <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.0.20000408005805.00a935b0@pop3.lineone.net> <49c5ea0626steve.pampling@argonet.co. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <39318249.7A3CF828@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > It seems that the WordWorks applet by David Breakwell suffers > from a problem: > It responds to a double click so as to send the selected word > to WordWorks, but it should ignore any double clicks on objects > other than text areas. Double-clicking on a graphics frame, for > example, gives an 'uninitialised bookmark' error. Does anyone else get OPro crashing out if you've a button set, yet use F11? Anyway, not really a big problem - the applet's still a very useful addition! Thank you. Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:54:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127317 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:54:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959543658:10:16464:16; Sun, 28 May 2000 19:54:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118052; 28 May 2000 19:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23249 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 May 2000 20:49:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA23246 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 20:49:23 +0100 Received: from userao27.uk.uudial.com (62.188.135.143) [62.188.135.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12w93q-0004mw-00; Sun, 28 May 2000 20:49:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:23:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Disappearing frames Message-ID: <49c5ea0626steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000408005805.00a935b0@pop3.lineone.net> References: <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.0.20000408005805.00a935b0@pop3.lineone.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4.3.0.20000408005805.00a935b0@pop3.lineone.net>, Dave wrote: > At 22:29 Friday 07/04/00, you wrote: > >With my recent experience of using Impression... it does things > >differently, I can't work out how to convert a text frame back into a > >picture frame. > It's been a while since I used Impression, but I seem to remember having > to delete the text frame and create a new one. I may be wrong though, > or thinking of a very old version. Your memory is perfect, it was a limitation of Impression in all versions. It was also one of the reasons I so happily moved to Ovation. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:54:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127318 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:54:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959590427:20:02571:16; Mon, 29 May 2000 08:53:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002329; 29 May 2000 8:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25150 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:49:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25147 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:49:51 +0100 Received: from usern509.uk.uudial.com (193.149.85.34) [193.149.85.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12wLF8-0001Ig-00; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:49:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:40:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Wordworks applet Message-ID: <49c632fb34davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <39318249.7A3CF828@netvision.net.il> References: <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.0.20000408005805.00a935b0@pop3.lineone.net> <49c5ea0626steve.pampling@argonet.co. User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <39318249.7A3CF828@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > It seems that the WordWorks applet by David Breakwell suffers > from a problem: > It responds to a double click so as to send the selected word > to WordWorks, but it should ignore any double clicks on objects > other than text areas. Double-clicking on a graphics frame, for > example, gives an 'uninitialised bookmark' error. > Michael Ben-Gershon > mybg@netvision.net.il Change dclick as follows (the if statement is the line changing), this checks the selection type before passing it to call_wworks. I'll send a version (1.02) to the usual site. int dclick(int user, int view, int mx, int my, int mb) { if((mb==rct_clk)&&(caretchar()!=-1)) { call_wworks(1); return(0); } else{ return(mb); } } Regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:54:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127319 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:54:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959546274:10:14165:18; Sun, 28 May 2000 20:37:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118662; 28 May 2000 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23455 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 May 2000 21:36:00 +0100 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23452 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 21:35:57 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il (ras1-p53.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.167.53]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27815 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:34:53 +0300 (IDT) Message-ID: <39318249.7A3CF828@netvision.net.il> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:32:09 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wordworks applet References: <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.0.20000408005805.00a935b0@pop3.lineone.net> <49c5ea0626steve.pampling@argonet.co. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro It seems that the WordWorks applet by David Breakwell suffers from a problem: It responds to a double click so as to send the selected word to WordWorks, but it should ignore any double clicks on objects other than text areas. Double-clicking on a graphics frame, for example, gives an 'uninitialised bookmark' error. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:55:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127332 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:55:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959593482:10:01576:16; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:44:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001476; 29 May 2000 9:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25349 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:41:44 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25346 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:41:43 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12wM3J-0003MS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:41:41 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12625 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:41:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:42:17 +0100 Subject: Wordworks applet Message-ID: <49c638a57dC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <49c2dfd169davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Version 1.02 of this applet is now on the resources site. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:56:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127341 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:56:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959623817:20:28195:16; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:10:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100728; 29 May 2000 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26526 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 May 2000 19:07:49 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26523 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 19:07:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 21116 invoked from network); 29 May 2000 18:07:45 -0000 Received: from useral97.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.134.170) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 May 2000 18:07:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:05:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks applet Message-ID: <49c666ae49dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49c62d9167sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> References: <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.0.20000408005805.00a935b0@pop3.lineone.net> <49c5ea0626steve.pampling@argonet.co. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c62d9167sjwhite@argonet.co.uk>, Steve White wrote: > In article <39318249.7A3CF828@netvision.net.il>, > Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > It seems that the WordWorks applet by David Breakwell suffers > > from a problem: > > It responds to a double click so as to send the selected word > > to WordWorks, but it should ignore any double clicks on objects > > other than text areas. Double-clicking on a graphics frame, for > > example, gives an 'uninitialised bookmark' error. > Does anyone else get OPro crashing out if you've a button set, yet use > F11? Anyway, not really a big problem - the applet's still a very useful > addition! Thank you. > > Cheers Steve I've got setup and use, both a button and Ctrl-fll without any problems. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:56:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127358 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:56:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959643997:10:09685:16; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:46:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122368; 29 May 2000 23:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27213 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 May 2000 00:42:14 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27210 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 00:42:10 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-95.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.95]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA40034 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 09:11:51 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:35:24 +0930 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: Wordworks To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <49c5b80211davidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 28 May, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article , > Peter Prewett wrote: > > How does one get WordWorks to run without loading Impression first? > > Ensure ABIMod is RMLoaded - take a look at the !Hyperview application in > the !CCShared application and in particular its !Run file. Tweak this and > it should work. > I think that there is more to it than that, it is in their to RMload. When trying to run WordWorks it tells me the one in !System.modules is not recoginised. Impression and WordWorks are on the pinboard so I assume the filer has seen them. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:56:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127363 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:56:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959712778:20:00635:18; Tue, 30 May 2000 18:52:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000531; 30 May 2000 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29399 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:45:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29396 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:45:14 +0100 Received: from usern267.uk.uudial.com (193.149.84.46) [193.149.84.46] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12wr0r-0000vR-00; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:45:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: Ovation Pro Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:39:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49c6edab59davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49c5b80211davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Peter Prewett wrote: > I think that there is more to it than that, it is in their to RMload. > When trying to run WordWorks it tells me the one in !System.modules is > not recoginised. > Impression and WordWorks are on the pinboard so I assume the filer has > seen them. > Peter Testing at this end has shown that replacing Modules.ABIMod in the !Hyperview application within !CCShared with system:Modules.ABIMod, seems to meet the need. Obviously make a backup of the old !Run before making the changes. This makes !Hyperview match the way !Impression loads the ABIMod regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 30 22:57:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127381 for opro ; Tue, 30 May 100 22:57:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959721646:10:14010:16; Tue, 30 May 2000 21:20:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013362; 30 May 2000 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29760 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 May 2000 22:17:24 +0100 Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29757 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 22:17:22 +0100 Received: from loopback (userb593.uk.uudial.com [193.149.83.68]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 455FD4654 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 22:17:20 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Ovation Pro Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:15:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49c6fbfa47dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49c6edab59davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <49c5b80211davidb@argonet.co.uk> <49c6edab59davidb@argonet.co User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49c6edab59davidb@argonet.co.uk>, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article , > Peter Prewett wrote: > > I think that there is more to it than that, it is in their to RMload. > > When trying to run WordWorks it tells me the one in !System.modules is > > not recoginised. > > Impression and WordWorks are on the pinboard so I assume the filer has > > seen them. > > Peter > Testing at this end has shown that replacing Modules.ABIMod > in the !Hyperview application within !CCShared with > system:Modules.ABIMod, seems to meet the need. Obviously make a backup > of the old !Run before making the changes. > This makes !Hyperview match the way !Impression loads the ABIMod > regards > David Yes this will work, but a point to note. Some people have !CCShared inside !Boot.Resources.!System. To have David's modifications work !CCShared needs to be in !Boot.Resources Otherwise you'll probably continue to get the same error message. I moved !CCShared out of System and into Resources, many years ago without any problems. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 31 03:36:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127435 for opro ; Wed, 31 May 100 03:36:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959739046:10:00300:16; Wed, 31 May 2000 02:10:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123272; 31 May 2000 2:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30422 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 May 2000 03:06:34 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30419 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 03:06:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12wxts-000GoR-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 31 May 2000 02:06:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 03:02:28 GMT Message-Id: <127426@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: icon bar at top of page X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Could you please remind me how to get a gap before a macro button? I've >forgotten most of the button move commands. control+shift+adjust click (see the release notes I guess) >While I'm at it, I have a 'save' button on the button bar. If I click it >on a document that hasn't yet been saved, instead of bringing up the save >box as F3 does, it brings up an error box with the 'Describe, Quit, >Continue' options. Which seems a bit drastic. (2.58) Looks worse than it is, RISC OS is looking at the error number to decide how to report it. I've fixed this in 2.59. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 31 14:15:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127439 for opro ; Wed, 31 May 100 14:15:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959760418:11:01252:24; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:06:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101860; 31 May 2000 8:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31072 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:02:32 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31069 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:02:30 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01495 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:02:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3934C7F7.A8EABC3C@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:06:15 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New Manual & Ovation Pro CD References: <127426@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R How are they progressing? any dates yet? -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 31 14:15:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127445 for opro ; Wed, 31 May 100 14:15:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959762601:10:03614:41; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:43:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106576; 31 May 2000 8:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31254 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:40:32 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31251 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:40:30 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA24670 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:40:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:41:36 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Wordworks To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <49c6fbfa47dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 30 May, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <49c6edab59davidb@argonet.co.uk>, > Mr Breakwell wrote: > > In article , > > Peter Prewett wrote: > > > I think that there is more to it than that, it is in their to RMload. > > > When trying to run WordWorks it tells me the one in !System.modules is > > > not recoginised. > > > > Impression and WordWorks are on the pinboard so I assume the filer has > > > seen them. > > > Testing at this end has shown that replacing Modules.ABIMod > > in the !Hyperview application within !CCShared with > > system:Modules.ABIMod, seems to meet the need. Obviously make a backup > > of the old !Run before making the changes. > > > This makes !Hyperview match the way !Impression loads the ABIMod > > Yes this will work, but a point to note. > Some people have !CCShared inside !Boot.Resources.!System. > To have David's modifications work !CCShared needs to be in !Boot.Resources > > Otherwise you'll probably continue to get the same error message. > > I moved !CCShared out of System and into Resources, many years ago without > any problems. > So did I. I can't remember why. But why should it make a difference if !CCshared is in !System or in Resources? Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 31 14:16:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127446 for opro ; Wed, 31 May 100 14:15:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959771764:20:29972:16; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:16:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106817; 31 May 2000 11:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31794 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:11:16 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31791 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:11:14 +0100 Received: from p3as03a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.227.59] helo=p3as03a07) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12x6QH-0007EG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:12:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:29:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks applet Message-ID: <49c73f3069rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49c632fb34davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <49c632fb34davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The Wordworks applet seems to be causing a problem here with spaces. Double clicking on a word usually highlights the word and following space. Since I installed the Wordworks applet, a double click is highlighting the word and preceeding space - not the following space. Which is not a lot of use when typing in corrections as it is more usual to highlight the word and type the amendment followed by a space. Is there a simple way to correct this please? Also, if I turn the applet off, double clicking a word throws up an error message. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 31 14:16:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127447 for opro ; Wed, 31 May 100 14:16:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959765020:10:20372:16; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:23:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020129; 31 May 2000 9:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31427 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:20:01 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31421 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:19:59 +0100 Received: from p7ds04a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.228.126] helo=p7ds04a07) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12x4gd-0004Dc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:21:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:09:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Wordworks Message-ID: <49c73d52ddrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49c6fbfa47dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > > I moved !CCShared out of System and into Resources, many years ago > > without any problems. > > > So did I. I can't remember why. But why should it make a difference if > !CCshared is in !System or in Resources? Just tidier I suppose. Boot:Resources is where resources belong and not cluttering up in side !System. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 1 01:35:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA127484 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jun 100 01:35:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 959812232:11:18571:17; Wed, 31 May 2000 22:30:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118582; 31 May 2000 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00848 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:26:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00845 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:26:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12xGwE-0004zP-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 31 May 2000 22:26:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:34:53 GMT Message-Id: <127478@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Manual & Ovation Pro CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How are they progressing? any dates yet? Slowly..., only of the "Eat Me" variety. I guess I'm nearing the end of the programming side. I've got the Impression loader working quite well. Just hit some snags on loading directory format documents. What I think I'll do is upload a demo version of 2.59 with the Impression loader to the web site, and anyone interested can have a play. If I hadn't hit the snags I would probably have done that this week, so maybe next. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message