From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 1 13:15:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123703 for opro ; Sat, 01 Apr 100 13:15:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954582391:20:24221:17; Sat, 01 Apr 2000 09:46:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103589; 1 Apr 2000 9:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31983 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:25:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA31978 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:25:51 +0100 Received: from useraq75.uk.uudial.com (62.188.136.135) [62.188.136.135] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12bKA6-0006oM-00; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:25:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: Ovation Pro ctrb Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 10:24:06 +0100 Subject: Clipboard viewers showing more than the clipboard can hold Message-ID: <49a8587f6abadger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is there a way of restricting the text that the clipboard viewer shows to the maximum text that the clipboard can actually hold? TIA -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 1 13:15:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123704 for opro ; Sat, 01 Apr 100 13:15:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954590393:10:22268:17; Sat, 01 Apr 2000 11:59:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022157; 1 Apr 2000 11:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32372 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:18:55 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA32367 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:18:53 +0100 Received: from useray41.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.131) [62.188.139.131] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12bLvX-0003Qt-00; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:18:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:17:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Clipboard viewers showing more than the clipboard can hold Message-ID: <49a862e303badger.set@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49a8587f6abadger.set@argonet.co.uk> References: <49a8587f6abadger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 01 Apr, Richard wrote: > Is there a way of restricting the text that the clipboard viewer shows > to the maximum text that the clipboard can actually hold? Sorry, I've just realised that the maximum text restriction I'm having problems with is the one in the Find & Replace function, not the clipboard! -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 3 18:11:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123761 for opro ; Mon, 03 Apr 100 18:11:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954711663:20:03372:17; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:41:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003099; 2 Apr 2000 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03640 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:21:35 +0100 Received: from mta4-svc.virgin.net (mta4-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.145]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03635 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:21:33 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.73.164]) by mta4-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000402212132.QOZI27164.mta4-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:21:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:18:48 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: PostScrip printing To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David Because I missed some of the mailing I have referred to the Arichive and found your reply to my request for help. I knew 'you' could do it! Many thanks for your help in resolving my little problem, it was for OP that I had to have the solution. Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 3 18:11:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123762 for opro ; Mon, 03 Apr 100 18:11:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954756309:10:14910:22; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:05:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014372; 3 Apr 2000 10:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05179 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:33:46 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05174 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:33:44 +0100 From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07425 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:33:39 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id KAA26629 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:14:42 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568B6.0033ECE3.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:33:58 +0100 Subject: !SRWE applet update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I have been fiddling with Stephen Brown's !SRWE applet and with his permission I am releasing it to the world. The main change is the addition of wildcard search and replace so you can now search for any string with a particular style and change just the style or add an effect. I don't have any web space so I have sent a copy to Chris Johnson to put on the alternative resources web site at :- http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ If you cannot wait for it to appear there then let me know and I'll send a copy via private email If you have any problems or ideas let me know and I'll see what I can do to fix/change it. Have fun Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 3 19:27:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123795 for opro ; Mon, 03 Apr 100 19:27:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954786207:20:15268:21; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:23:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015238; 3 Apr 2000 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06338 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:54:38 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02306 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 09:05:09 +0100 Received: from modem-134.maryland.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.71.134] helo=shelburne) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12bfNc-0005zo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 09:05:09 +0100 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 18:21:59 +0100 From: M P Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Using !Speak Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Using OvPro 2.58, I get errors (and no sprites) when I click on the macros for !Speak (v2.07) representing start speak or stop speak. Has anyone got !Speak working as it should with OvPro 2.58? If so, is there something (probably obvious) which needs to be done to get it to work? Sorry if this has been discussed before; I haven't found a references to it. Thanks for any help. Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 3 20:17:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123797 for opro ; Mon, 03 Apr 100 20:17:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954786707:20:24789:18; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:31:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100718; 3 Apr 2000 18:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06346 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:54:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05081 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:59:17 +0100 Received: from userec53.uk.uudial.com (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.133] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12c2hX-0007TJ-00; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:59:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:57:55 +0100 (BST) From: OvationPro Mail Subject: Automated Lists Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49a862e303badger.set@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAA05082 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Well, after almost six months since its first release, the Automated List applet for OvationPro has finally been fixed. My apologies for people who experienced problems before when using our applet, and I can assure you that this version doesn't cause any (known) problems with OvationPro. It a completely re-written version of the applet and includes the following features: Bulleted list support (, , etc) Number list support (1, 2, etc) Sub-sectioned numbered list support (1.1, 1.2, etc) Indented list support To get this new version visit our website and have a look at our OvationPro pages (from the Software section). http://www.levens-software.co.uk >From here you will also find a new version of our HTML import filter. It is more stable than the previous version (due to a complete re-write of our internal libraries) and contains a few more features. Please note that it does support images. Links are embedded into the document and can be pulled out using our HTMLinks applet (supplied with the full version of HTMLPro). You will also find a demo version of HTMLPro, enabling you to test this great software before you by ;-) cheers benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 08000 191 243 f: 08000 191 242 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 3 18:11:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123761 for opro ; Mon, 03 Apr 100 18:11:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954711663:20:03372:17; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:41:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003099; 2 Apr 2000 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03640 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:21:35 +0100 Received: from mta4-svc.virgin.net (mta4-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.145]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03635 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:21:33 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.73.164]) by mta4-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000402212132.QOZI27164.mta4-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:21:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:18:48 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: PostScrip printing To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David Because I missed some of the mailing I have referred to the Arichive and found your reply to my request for help. I knew 'you' could do it! Many thanks for your help in resolving my little problem, it was for OP that I had to have the solution. Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 3 18:11:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123762 for opro ; Mon, 03 Apr 100 18:11:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954756309:10:14910:22; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:05:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014372; 3 Apr 2000 10:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05179 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:33:46 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05174 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:33:44 +0100 From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07425 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:33:39 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id KAA26629 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:14:42 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568B6.0033ECE3.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:33:58 +0100 Subject: !SRWE applet update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I have been fiddling with Stephen Brown's !SRWE applet and with his permission I am releasing it to the world. The main change is the addition of wildcard search and replace so you can now search for any string with a particular style and change just the style or add an effect. I don't have any web space so I have sent a copy to Chris Johnson to put on the alternative resources web site at :- http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ If you cannot wait for it to appear there then let me know and I'll send a copy via private email If you have any problems or ideas let me know and I'll see what I can do to fix/change it. Have fun Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 3 19:27:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123795 for opro ; Mon, 03 Apr 100 19:27:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954786207:20:15268:21; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:23:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015238; 3 Apr 2000 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06338 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:54:38 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02306 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 09:05:09 +0100 Received: from modem-134.maryland.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.71.134] helo=shelburne) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12bfNc-0005zo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 09:05:09 +0100 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 18:21:59 +0100 From: M P Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Using !Speak Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Using OvPro 2.58, I get errors (and no sprites) when I click on the macros for !Speak (v2.07) representing start speak or stop speak. Has anyone got !Speak working as it should with OvPro 2.58? If so, is there something (probably obvious) which needs to be done to get it to work? Sorry if this has been discussed before; I haven't found a references to it. Thanks for any help. Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 3 20:17:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123797 for opro ; Mon, 03 Apr 100 20:17:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954786707:20:24789:18; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:31:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100718; 3 Apr 2000 18:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06346 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:54:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05081 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:59:17 +0100 Received: from userec53.uk.uudial.com (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.133] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12c2hX-0007TJ-00; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:59:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:57:55 +0100 (BST) From: OvationPro Mail Subject: Automated Lists Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49a862e303badger.set@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAA05082 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Well, after almost six months since its first release, the Automated List applet for OvationPro has finally been fixed. My apologies for people who experienced problems before when using our applet, and I can assure you that this version doesn't cause any (known) problems with OvationPro. It a completely re-written version of the applet and includes the following features: Bulleted list support (, , etc) Number list support (1, 2, etc) Sub-sectioned numbered list support (1.1, 1.2, etc) Indented list support To get this new version visit our website and have a look at our OvationPro pages (from the Software section). http://www.levens-software.co.uk >From here you will also find a new version of our HTML import filter. It is more stable than the previous version (due to a complete re-write of our internal libraries) and contains a few more features. Please note that it does support images. Links are embedded into the document and can be pulled out using our HTMLinks applet (supplied with the full version of HTMLPro). You will also find a demo version of HTMLPro, enabling you to test this great software before you by ;-) cheers benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 08000 191 243 f: 08000 191 242 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 17:54:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123853 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 17:54:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954856741:20:01563:17; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:59:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114196; 4 Apr 2000 13:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08658 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:27:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08112 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:48:15 +0100 Received: from usern012.uk.uudial.com (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.81.45] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12cP0D-0001XX-00; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:48:05 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:40:51 +0100 (BST) From: OvationPro Mail Subject: Re: Automated Lists Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 03 Apr, OvationPro Mail wrote: > From here you will also find a new version of our HTML import filter. > It is more stable than the previous version (due to a complete re-write > of our internal libraries) and contains a few more features. Please > note that it does support images. Links are embedded into the document > and can be pulled out using our HTMLinks applet (supplied with the full > version of HTMLPro). Whoops. That paragraph should read that it does _not_ support images. My apologies for misleading anyone. Also, if anyone experienced problems with the downloads from the website yesterday, I have made it so you don't need to go through the freedownload script and now use a direct hyperlink. cheers benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 08000 191 243 f: 08000 191 242 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 17:54:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123854 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 17:54:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954859126:20:00769:23; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:38:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2129854; 4 Apr 2000 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08777 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:45:45 +0100 Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08772 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:45:43 +0100 Received: from hinge2.mistral.co.uk (d5-s18-50-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.50]) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20801 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:39:17 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-192.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.192]) by hinge2.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27110 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:46:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:45:29 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Automated Lists Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 03 Apr, OvationPro Mail wrote: > >From here you will also find a new version of our HTML import filter. > It is more stable than the previous version (due to a complete re-write > of our internal libraries) and contains a few more features. Please > note that it does support images. Links are embedded into the document > and can be pulled out using our HTMLinks applet (supplied with the full > version of HTMLPro). > I can't get Fresco to download this. It just tries to load it into the window, and is incomplete at that. Has anyone else got it to work? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 17:55:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123856 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 17:55:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954861955:20:10321:25; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:25:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010002; 4 Apr 2000 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09113 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:00:43 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09108 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:00:40 +0100 From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06462 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:00:25 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id PAA28519 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:41:30 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568B7.00518218.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:01:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Automated Lists Applet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On Mon 03 Apr, OvationPro Mail wrote: > >> >From here you will also find a new version of our HTML import filter. >> It is more stable than the previous version (due to a complete re-write >> of our internal libraries) and contains a few more features. Please >> note that it does support images. Links are embedded into the document >> and can be pulled out using our HTMLinks applet (supplied with the full >> version of HTMLPro). >> >I can't get Fresco to download this. It just tries to load it into the >window, and is incomplete at that. Has anyone else got it to work? I just tried using Netscape (no RISC OS at work :-() and I cannot even see the home page properly. I don't get any of the icons down the left hand side. Using Explorer I can at least see the icons down the left, but a lot of the text and graphics seem to be on top of each other. So there is something not quite right about the pages. I hope this isn't what can be expected from HTMLPro. It would be nice if the pages were readable on a PC as well. I managed to download the lists.arc file OK for the list applet. I downloaded the transhtml.arc file, but couldn't read it. I get a bad header error So I would guess there is something wrong with the file as well. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 19:23:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123878 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 19:23:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954871929:10:13313:18; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:12:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125473; 4 Apr 2000 17:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09537 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:19:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09532 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:19:38 +0100 Received: from usera866.uk.uudial.com (193.149.69.104) [193.149.69.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12cWzI-0001vc-00; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:19:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:53:39 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Using !Speak Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 1 Apr 2000 (18:21:59 +0100), mpc@shelburne.freeserve.co.uk wrote: >Using OvPro 2.58, I get errors (and no sprites) when I click on the >macros for !Speak (v2.07) representing start speak or stop speak. Has >anyone got !Speak working as it should with OvPro 2.58? If so, is there >something (probably obvious) which needs to be done to get it to work? > >Sorry if this has been discussed before; I haven't found a >references to it. > >Thanks for any help. What I do is: 1) Filer_Boot Speak and 2) Run the Speak !RunMODULE in my Desktop Boot file. This seems to do both the things you need. HTH, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 20:52:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123882 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 20:52:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954876283:20:08590:23; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:24:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008528; 4 Apr 2000 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09836 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:29:10 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09143 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:04:21 +0100 Received: from usercp01.uk.uudial.com (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.156.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12cUsO-0002Yp-00; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:04:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:01:33 +0100 (BST) From: OvationPro Mail Subject: Automated Lists Applet - Problems downloading To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [OvationPro Mail ] We have been informed by our server company that due to some recent problems, the server is undergoing some heavy tests over the next 48 hours. Due to this you will not be able to get the software that we mentioned previously. You will be able to download a rather strange 536 byte file instead of each actual application. To save yourselves time and hassle please don't even attempt to get the software until I email this group again. I apologise to anyone who has already tried this and experienced problems. If anybody really, really wants the software, drop me an email to software@levens.co.uk and I shall privately mail it to you. benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 08000 191 243 f: 08000 191 242 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 20:52:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123884 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 20:52:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954877406:20:01921:18; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:43:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111699; 4 Apr 2000 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09931 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:52:21 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09926 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:52:19 +0100 Received: from modem-10.amantadine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.77.10] helo=celtania) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12cYR0-0000xS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:52:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:51:56 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Automated Lists Applet Message-ID: <01fe17aa49.roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> References: <802568B7.00518218.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> In-Reply-To: <802568B7.00518218.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <802568B7.00518218.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> you wrote: > > >On Mon 03 Apr, OvationPro Mail wrote: > > > >I can't get Fresco to download this. It just tries to load it into the > >window, and is incomplete at that. Has anyone else got it to work? > > I managed to download the lists.arc file OK for the list applet. I downloaded > the transhtml.arc file, but couldn't read it. I get a bad header error > So I would guess there is something wrong with the file as well. > Andy Ling > I downloaded "list" but then couldn't open the archive. Message from filer: "Error when reading - Unidentified header type found" Downloaded with Browse. Tried SparkFS and ArcFS. Tried various other Levens software - same with every one: list, matched, smart_cale, transgif, transhtml -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 20:52:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123887 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 20:52:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954874564:10:25427:17; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:56:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025147; 4 Apr 2000 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09722 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:10:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09717 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:10:39 +0100 Received: from userec19.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.99) [62.188.10.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12cXme-0004LO-00; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:10:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:09:56 +0100 Subject: pantone colours Message-ID: <49aa142594charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49a862e303badger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have been asked to use a particular Pantone colour in a document I am producing. Any hints from anybody, please.. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 21:38:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123898 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 21:38:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954880052:11:25864:20; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:27:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1125777; 4 Apr 2000 20:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10341 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:06:48 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10336 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:06:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12cZb4-000FNU-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:06:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:02:03 GMT Message-Id: <123892@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: pantone colours X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have been asked to use a particular Pantone colour in a document I am >producing. I suppose you might want to have the 'generic' colour table (supplied with early copies of OPro installed) or one of the Pantone clone colour tables which various people have generated. Then you probably set up that colour as a spot. What I don't believe you can do is print composite output and identify a colour in it as a Pantone. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 22:22:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123906 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 22:22:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954881912:20:29706:19; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:58:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029869; 4 Apr 2000 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10435 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:28:20 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10430 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:28:18 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.73] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12cZvm-0005AI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:28:10 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:18:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:19:18 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: pantone colours Message-ID: <58fd1faa49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49aa142594charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "charles.hope" wrote: > > I have been asked to use a particular Pantone colour in a document I am > producing. > > Any hints from anybody, please.. > If you are printing the document, there is no problem. Define a spot colour which is vaguely like the target colour (just to help you see how things might look on the screen) and then specify to the printer the Pantone number. This number tells the printer how to mix up the ink colur for printer. The final colour is thus generated by the printer. If you want to try and mimic a Pantone colour using process colour (i.e. define it in CMYK colour space) then beware. Some colours cannot be matched at all, others can roughly. Some artwork which calls for spot colours (e.g. reversed out text) may not work well with process colour. But the cheap hack is to get the Pantone colour number and see if you can find that number in the OvPro 'Generic' colour chart. (Shh. It would cost a great deal of money to call them Pantone colours). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 22:22:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123905 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 22:22:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954881945:10:13711:31; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:59:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111625; 4 Apr 2000 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10507 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:42:53 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10502 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:42:51 +0100 Received: from i.buchanan.which.net ([194.168.104.72]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA13742 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:46:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:57:55 +0100 (BST) From: i.buchanan@which.net Subject: Re: Automated Lists Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I down loaded it yesterday evening, unzipped it and installed it running the install programme. However I can't get it to do anything. The instructions with it are minimal. If you click on it in the Applets Directory it can be either crossed through or not crossed through which I assume means it is active. If I then type in say a number, followed by a full stop and tab and then some text, followed by return, I expect the next number to appear on the next line but it does not. How is it supposed to work. Ian On Tue 04 Apr, Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Mon 03 Apr, OvationPro Mail wrote: > > > >From here you will also find a new version of our HTML import filter. > > It is more stable than the previous version (due to a complete re-write > > of our internal libraries) and contains a few more features. Please > > note that it does support images. Links are embedded into the document > > and can be pulled out using our HTMLinks applet (supplied with the full > > version of HTMLPro). > > > > I can't get Fresco to download this. It just tries to load it into the > window, and is incomplete at that. Has anyone else got it to work? > > Steve > > -- > Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, > University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK > Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 > Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 > WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- General remote signature -Ian Buchanan at Which.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 4 22:22:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123908 for opro ; Tue, 04 Apr 100 22:22:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954882995:10:11827:21; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:16:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011694; 4 Apr 2000 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10572 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:44:48 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10563 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:44:43 +0100 Received: from sarpc (dynip23 [129.69.189.23]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id WAA02073 for In-Reply-To: References: <49a862e303badger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , OvationPro Mail wrote: [snip] Considering the other postings, it looks like I'm the only lucky person that got an uncorrupted download which unpacks fine. :-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * ... A)bort R)etry G)et a stick and kill it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 5 00:15:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123912 for opro ; Wed, 05 Apr 100 00:14:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954886569:20:04794:19; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:16:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124854; 4 Apr 2000 22:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11007 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:00:25 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA11002 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:00:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 20657 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2000 22:01:41 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 2000 22:01:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 21819 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2000 22:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.65.109) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Apr 2000 22:00:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:21:01 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: pantone colours To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <49aa142594charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 04 Apr, charles.hope wrote: > > I have been asked to use a particular Pantone colour in a document I am > producing. > > Any hints from anybody, please.. > Set up a spot colour with the appropriate name, which matches near enough for screen use. Print separations and tell the litho people which Pantone ink you want (making your spot colour have the Pantone number and printing it on the edge of the separation gives the printer less excuse for the wrong ink). If it is for printing to an inkjet printer you will only get an approximation (as with the screen version) as many Pantone colours are difficult to reproduce in CMYK. There is a Pantone swatch which shows pantone colour next to best CMYK match and gives the CMYK formula, but you won't want to buy it (or any Pantone swatches and books) unless you are doing a lot of spot colour work as they are very expensive. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 5 00:15:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123913 for opro ; Wed, 05 Apr 100 00:15:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954888051:10:28823:17; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:40:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028623; 4 Apr 2000 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11067 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:09:23 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11062 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:09:20 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup037.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.199]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15230 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:10:50 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01bf9e82$50650cc0$c794a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <49a862e303badger.set@argonet.co.uk> <49aa142594charles.hope@ar Subject: Re: pantone colours Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:37:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I have been asked to use a particular Pantone colour in a document I am > producing. Produce it as a single colour document (in black say) and tell the printer the Pantone number. Or, tell me the Pantone number and I'll tell you Pantone's official CMYK equivalent. Then define the Pantone with these parameters as a spot colour. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 5 01:10:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123916 for opro ; Wed, 05 Apr 100 01:10:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954891845:20:28319:17; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:44:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027999; 4 Apr 2000 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11381 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:15:09 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10767 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:15:31 +0100 Received: from wealdcom.demon.co.uk ([212.229.199.148]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12cafa-000KVh-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:15:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:31:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Stuart Murden Subject: Re: pantone colours To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49aa142594charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Stuart Murden > I have been asked to use a particular Pantone colour in a document I am > producing. > > Any hints from anybody, please.. > Dont know if this helps, but the Pantone swatches give the CMYK colour mix .. -- Wealdcom Graphics - Crowborough - East Sussex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 5 13:57:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123928 for opro ; Wed, 05 Apr 100 13:57:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954935836:20:20163:30; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:57:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2119971; 5 Apr 2000 11:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13011 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:04:47 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13006 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:04:45 +0100 Received: from modem-53.elmiron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.92.53] helo=beeston12) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12cnc3-0006cM-00; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:04:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:31:25 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: pantone colours Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <123892@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David, In message <123892@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >I have been asked to use a particular Pantone colour in a document I am > >producing. If I am being stupid, please excuse me, but I am very confued by receiving OvationPro messages not only from yourself (owner- ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk) but also from ovation-pro@levens,co,uk. Are you the same gang wearing two differing hats? Or has the OvationPro package been taken over while I was snoozing? Please tell me that you are OK, and that I am ... well, probably stupid? Hopefully, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 5 15:03:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123943 for opro ; Wed, 05 Apr 100 15:02:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954942438:11:19422:162; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:47:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000331; 5 Apr 2000 13:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13477 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:22:21 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13472 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:22:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12cpkz-00068u-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:22:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:01:33 GMT Message-Id: <123930@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: pantone colours X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >If I am being stupid, please excuse me, but I am very confued by receiving >OvationPro messages not only from yourself (owner- >ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk) but also from ovation-pro@levens,co,uk. >Are you the same gang wearing two differing hats? Or has the OvationPro >package been taken over while I was snoozing? I'm OK, and OPro has not been taken over, and there is no link between myself and Levens. Anyone can choose to send you emails with 'ovation' in the name. I guess the Levens just choose to have an email address for their OPro related activities with 'ovation' in it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 5 15:03:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123947 for opro ; Wed, 05 Apr 100 15:03:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954943139:20:18519:21; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:58:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018276; 5 Apr 2000 13:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13498 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:23:31 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13189 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:54:53 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06949 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:54:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22067 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:54:42 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: pantone colours Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:53:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Dear David, > > In message <123892@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >I have been asked to use a particular Pantone colour in a document I am > > >producing. > > If I am being stupid, please excuse me, but I am very confued by receiving > OvationPro messages not only from yourself (owner- > ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk) but also from ovation-pro@levens,co,uk. > Are you the same gang wearing two differing hats? Or has the OvationPro > package been taken over while I was snoozing? Please tell me that you are > OK, and that I am ... well, probably stupid? The trouble with mailing-lists... David is or as can be seen in the top of your message (above). As he also moderates the mailing-list, he will also receive mail sent to . Emails sent to (like your one just now, and this one) get "exploded", i.e. forwarded onto everyone on the mailing list. Depending on your mail client, the header might sometimes look like it comes from the list owner even though the forwarding is automatic. With "non-member submissions" from email addresses that aren't on the list, the list owner has to forward them manually if appropriate (more work for David). Hence, non-member submissions = bad. Completely separately, if you own a domain you often get unlimited email addresses. Many people use these to filter their email - if I were to create an email address I could get my mail client to automatically put it into a mailbox called "opro" to keep it separate from other emails (although currently I choose not to). The example you cite of won't get to David but will get to Benji Levens by the same means. Indeed, you could do the same, creating an email address of if you wanted to. Full details of how to set your POP client to get them are on the freeserve customer services website. The only thing to beware of is that you might need to re-subscribe to the mailing list afterwards; if you post from a new email address, your submissions will get rejected as coming from a non-member... Hope this clarifies things. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 5 18:49:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123968 for opro ; Wed, 05 Apr 100 18:49:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954956376:20:09905:21; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:39:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129209; 5 Apr 2000 17:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14454 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:20:51 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14449 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:20:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ctTv-000Fg4-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:20:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:58:39 GMT Message-Id: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I think it's a couple of weeks or so since I said what was going on with OPro. At the time the plan was to release 2.59 with auto bulleting asap. However about a week ago, I thought I'd try to work out the Impression file format. Progress has been good. I can't make promises but there's every hope that there will soon be an Impression document loader for OvationPro. At the moment I can load Impression documents and get all the frames and pictures in the right place. With luck text will soon follow. In addition Jan van Vredenburch has now delivered much of the revised manual for OvationPro. So the pieces are in place for the OvationPro upgrade CD, and it is likely that the next step will be to release that. I plan to include as much third party stuff as I can. I'm going to email the authors whose work I am aware of to ask permission. They'll get the CD for free, as will anyone who has bought OPro post Beebug (serial numbers of 5000 or greater). However contributions for the CD are still welcome. The Impression loader has long beeen talked about as a killer feature. You now don't have to leave all your old documents behind to switch to using OvationPro. I'm slightly curious as to what sort of documents I'm going to find in the real world. Clearly I can't support all the old Impression formats going back to 1988. I think it is aceptable to say that you have to save from a current version of Impression before loading into OPro. A 'current version' takes us back to at least 1994. If anyone has any ideas on how to get hold of representative Impression files let me know. (I don't want spamming with megabytes of Impression Junior documents that contain nothing but large sprites...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 5 21:14:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123974 for opro ; Wed, 05 Apr 100 21:14:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954961705:20:17127:45; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:08:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120546; 5 Apr 2000 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14819 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:39:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14814 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:39:24 +0100 Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12cui4-000OEj-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:39:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:42:05 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <49aa9aed01tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > However contributions for the CD are still welcome. > (I don't want spamming with megabytes of Impression Junior documents > that contain nothing but large sprites...) > David Pilling David I still have some NECPWA News in Impression format saved on floppies I could send you if you wanted to try. I seem to remember I packed them with hard disc companion and there were about 5 per mag. -- Tony Simons using RiscOS 4 on a proper Computer North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 5 21:14:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123975 for opro ; Wed, 05 Apr 100 21:14:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954962660:20:10470:36; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:24:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111363; 5 Apr 2000 19:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14887 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:53:20 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14882 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:53:18 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12cuvV-0007dL-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:53:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:52:24 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: News To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 05 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > I think it's a couple of weeks or so since I said what was going > on with OPro. At the time the plan was to release 2.59 with auto > bulleting asap. > > However about a week ago, I thought I'd try to work out the Impression > file format. Progress has been good. I can't make promises but there's > every hope that there will soon be an Impression document loader for > OvationPro. Oh, it's as easy as that, is it? :-) I think we're going to have to rethink the nickname 'Saint Pilling' - the man's a god! > > At the moment I can load Impression documents and get all the frames and > pictures in the right place. With luck text will soon follow. > > In addition Jan van Vredenburch has now delivered much of the revised > manual for OvationPro. > > So the pieces are in place for the OvationPro upgrade CD, and it is likely > that the next step will be to release that. > > I plan to include as much third party stuff as I can. I'm going to email > the authors whose work I am aware of to ask permission. They'll get the CD > for free, as will anyone who has bought OPro post Beebug (serial numbers of > 5000 or greater). Yes, but what about the rest of us? My pen is hovering impatiently above my cheque book awaiting instructions... [snip] Regards, -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 5 22:53:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123992 for opro ; Wed, 05 Apr 100 22:53:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954970982:11:07421:17; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:43:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107406; 5 Apr 2000 21:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15394 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:26:49 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15389 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:26:47 +0100 Received: from NTL ([212.250.143.165]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA27378 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:24:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:24:19 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: References: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > So the pieces are in place for the OvationPro upgrade CD, and it is likely > that the next step will be to release that. Any target date? > > I plan to include as much third party stuff as I can. I'm going to email the > authors whose work I am aware of to ask permission. They'll get the CD for > free, as will anyone who has bought OPro post Beebug (serial numbers of 5000 > or greater). Any idea of the cost for the rest of us? As I've posted before, many of us would be more than happy to start and recompense you for the great efforts and improvements made over the past few years. > The Impression loader has long beeen talked about as a killer feature. You > now don't have to leave all your old documents behind to switch to using > OvationPro. > > I'm slightly curious as to what sort of documents I'm going to find in the real > world. Clearly I can't support all the old Impression formats going back to 1988. > I think it is aceptable to say that you have to save from a current version > of Impression before loading into OPro. A 'current version' takes us back to > at least 1994. How will you handle features that OvPro doesn't have like guide and repeat frames? > If anyone has any ideas on how to get hold of representative Impression files > let me know. How about asking for submissions from the group? I've several documents that for one reason or another, I still (sacrilege!) resort to Impression. I'd happily send a few examples. Cheers -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 6 00:13:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123994 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 00:13:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954972526:11:23451:17; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:08:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020186; 5 Apr 2000 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15467 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:40:35 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15462 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:40:33 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-81.access.ch [212.161.129.81]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25217 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:40:32 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:32:45 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: pantone colours To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <49aa142594charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 04 Apr, charles.hope wrote: > > I have been asked to use a particular Pantone colour in a document I am > producing. > > Any hints from anybody, please.. You probably missed Chris Johnson's mailing on this list dated 30/03/2000 mentioning additions to the alt web site. You might find what you want there. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From charles@nmalden.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 6 00:13:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123995 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 00:13:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954972535:20:18664:2; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:08:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2017391; 5 Apr 2000 22:08 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12cxxn-000C6M-0W for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:07:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:17:57 +0100 (BST) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: News To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grampa x3; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] On Wed 05 Apr, David Pilling wrote: [snip--- snip--- snip--- ] > > If anyone has any ideas on how to get hold of representative Impression files > let me know. > > (I don't want spamming with megabytes of Impression Junior documents > that contain nothing but large sprites...) [snip--- snip--- snip--- ] Dear David, I can offer a compressed parish magazine, A5 layout, 2595167 bytes compressed. Three chapters, and an assortment of graphics. Pamphlet mode. Let me know if that would be of use. Charles - (reg no 5012) -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox 0870 164 0025-Fax RiscPC Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell Work: 020 7939 9452-Vox 020 7403 4770-Fax mailto:charles.barraball@dswark.org.uk http://www.dswark.org From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 6 00:13:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123997 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 00:13:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954972541:20:18801:18; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:09:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110157; 5 Apr 2000 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15533 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:53:39 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15528 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:53:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12cxk1-000C4d-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:53:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:21:07 GMT Message-Id: <123978@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I thought I'd try to work out the Impression file format. Progress has been >> good. >Oh, it's as easy as that, is it? :-) Which reminds me, given the Impression file format is an open book, how about loading Impression documents into Quark or MS Publisher. Question there is do these programs have an open way of letting people produce documents? OPro has DDL, a text file format which will let anyone write an OPro document, whats the equivalent on these Mac/PC programs? >> So the pieces are in place for the OvationPro upgrade CD >Yes, but what about the rest of us? My pen is hovering impatiently above my >cheque book awaiting instructions... Very generous. I think the price will be ukp 35 all inc. However I don't want to start taking orders until the product is finished. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 6 01:48:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124008 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 01:47:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954978025:20:26152:17; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:40:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124414; 5 Apr 2000 23:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15972 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:58:43 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15967 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:58:41 +0100 Received: from usereq44.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.240) [62.188.15.240] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12cykx-0002E0-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:58:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:56:52 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <6740b2aa49.rwatki@rwatki.argonet.co.uk> References: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Hi, > > I think it's a couple of weeks or so since I said what was going > on with OPro. At the time the plan was to release 2.59 with auto > bulleting asap. > Snip > So the pieces are in place for the OvationPro upgrade CD, and it is likely > that the next step will be to release that. I'm sure you've thought about this but wouldn't it be worth putting 2.59 on the website first - just to make sure it's ok? Or was that done with 2.58 Secondly what sort of timeline for CD release are you thinking of and how much? I'll probably buy it regardless but I'm interested Richard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 6 13:11:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124021 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 13:11:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954988623:20:23687:18; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 02:37:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119359; 6 Apr 2000 2:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16517 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:07:06 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16512 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:07:04 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12d1hH-0001ak-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:07:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:52:41 GMT Message-Id: <124013@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From: Richard Watkinson >I'm sure you've thought about this but wouldn't it be worth putting 2.59 on the >website first - just to make sure it's ok? Well it would actually. The changes to 2.59 are quite large. I may do that anyway. But I thought the bulleting and Impression loader might be a bit of incentive to buy the upgrade. >Secondly what sort of timeline for CD release are you thinking of and how much? >I'll probably buy it regardless but I'm interested 8 to 10 weeks, ukp 35 all inc. >From: Pete Bready >How will you handle features that OvPro doesn't have like guide and repeat >frames? Good question. OPro and Impression are relative to many programs quite close in features, but there is not a 100% overlap. I think one of the worst things, will be that OPro sets text down by the ascender + accents font height, whilst Impression uses just the ascender. So all those frames which have been tweeked to just hold the text won't. In that case it would be nice to add the feature to OPro, but I can't add every Impression feature, so you may get the frames, but they won't repeat. Owts better than nowt... >How about asking for submissions from the group? I've several documents that >for one reason or another, I still (sacrilege!) resort to Impression. I'd >happily send a few examples. Fine as long as they are small - if you want to email them, anything on disc is OK. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From simon.young@argonet.co.uk Thu Apr 6 13:11:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124023 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 13:11:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955010954:20:20497:8; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:49:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020434; 6 Apr 2000 8:49 GMT Received: from usern066.uk.uudial.com (193.149.81.99) [193.149.81.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12d7xg-0001dR-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:48:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Young To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:45:18 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <49aae8200csimon.young@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R Dear David, In article <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I'm slightly curious as to what sort of documents I'm going to find in > the real world. Clearly I can't support all the old Impression formats > going back to 1988. I don't know if my documents are representitive, but I can supply a challenging one: Namely, my MPhil/PhD transfer report. 14Mb of pain and tears - including scanned images, Artworks files and Draw files galore, truely something for all! Would you like a copy? Regards, Simon. -- Simon A. Young BPharm MRPharmS | Tel: 01705-842152 Lecturer in Pharmaceutics | Fax: 01705-843565 University of Portsmouth |e-mail: simon.young@port.ac.uk |e-mail: simon.young@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Please visit our web-site located at: http://www.sci.port.ac.uk/pharmacy/drug_del.htm http://userwww.port.ac.uk/youngs ================================================================= From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 6 13:11:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124024 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 13:11:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955014229:20:12792:26; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:43:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012584; 6 Apr 2000 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17482 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:06:32 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17477 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:06:30 +0100 Received: from useraq76.uk.uudial.com (62.188.136.136) [62.188.136.136] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12d8FA-0002QQ-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:06:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:08:12 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <49aadf3bffrobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <124013@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <124013@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <124013@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Richard Watkinson I'm sure you've thought > >about this but wouldn't it be worth putting 2.59 on the website first > >- just to make sure it's ok? > Well it would actually. The changes to 2.59 are quite large. I may do > that anyway. But I thought the bulleting and Impression loader might be > a bit of incentive to buy the upgrade. I'm sure you are right. Making 2.59 generally available on the web site is bound to reduce the number of people buying the CD. I'd suggest distributing to a small number of beta testers - I'm sure there will be plenty of willing volunteers! I'm sure all of us would want you to receive the maximum revenue from this release. Both because you deserve it for all the work you have already put into Ovation and also to encourage you to keep going. > >Secondly what sort of timeline for CD release are you thinking of and > >how much? I'll probably buy it regardless but I'm interested > 8 to 10 weeks, ukp 35 all inc. Price sounds *very* reasonable to me - I'll be waiting (chequebook in hand) for the announcement of its release. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 6 18:59:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124042 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 18:59:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955040787:20:05392:29; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:06:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005138; 6 Apr 2000 17:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18694 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:23:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18689 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:23:51 +0100 Received: from useray55.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.145) [62.188.139.145] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12dF4P-0006gN-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:23:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:52:33 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <49aaddcd68awarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Apr, Pete Bready wrote: > How about asking for submissions from the group? I've several documents that > for one reason or another, I still (sacrilege!) resort to Impression. I'd > happily send a few examples. I also have a couple of awkward documents for which I still employ Impression. Errm. Just wondered whether David has a copy of each of the Impressions that he can use to see the final documents? Adrian -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From mik.towse@xemik.com Thu Apr 6 19:30:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124052 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 19:30:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955045781:20:00538:15; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:29:41 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net ([158.43.128.69]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117483; 6 Apr 2000 18:29 GMT Received: (qmail 23465 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2000 18:29:24 -0000 Received: from usern640.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (193.149.85.165) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2000 18:29:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:24:02 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <49AAAF3ECC%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R On 5 Apr David Pilling wrote: > If anyone has any ideas on how to get hold of representative Impression > files let me know. I have a few produced in the last(?) version of ImpPro if they are of any use to you. AD&D PC sheet 28k (lots of tables!) Business forms 10k+ Church mag 196k to 743k Regards Mik -- What most men really liked about their mother's cooking is that it didn't cost them anything. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:30:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dH2s-000ATQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:30:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:15:20 GMT Message-Id: <124050@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I also have a couple of awkward documents for which I still employ Impression. All contributions welcome - by email as long as they are relatively small. >Errm. Just wondered whether David has a copy of each of the Impressions that >he can use to see the final documents? Well not really. Firstly I've never used Impression, secondly the protection makes it tough to keep a working copy. I do have older copies and a dongle... but there are StrongARM issues with older versions too. As I said I don't intend supporting every version of Impression, the modest amount of data I have so far, shows that there isn't a lot of variation in files in current use. I believe Style as well as Publisher files will be OK. It may be 8 years since they changed file format - no one with an unedited 8 year old document can seriously want to use it. Interesting thing, Impression is limited to 255 styles and effects in one document. So you can only have 255 fonts (and nothing else), or 255 font sizes. Surprised this has never been raised as a problem... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 6 21:51:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124058 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 21:51:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955051807:11:05280:24; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:10:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022266; 6 Apr 2000 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19368 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:40:16 +0100 Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19363 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:40:14 +0100 Received: from hinge2.mistral.co.uk (d5-s18-50-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.50]) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17281 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:33:40 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-5.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.5]) by hinge2.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06399 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:41:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:39:59 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <124050@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 06 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I also have a couple of awkward documents for which I still employ Impression. > > All contributions welcome - by email as long as they are relatively small. > Why not try the copies of Archive off the CD? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 6 21:52:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124057 for opro ; Thu, 06 Apr 100 21:51:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955053785:20:05441:23; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:43:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004731; 6 Apr 2000 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19587 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:25:21 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19582 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:25:19 +0100 Received: from NTL ([212.250.143.104]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA17304; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:25:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:22:24 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, archive-on-line@argonet.co.uk Subject: Re: News & possible Impression import for OvPro Message-ID: <15f227ab49.pbready@net.ntl.com> References: <124050@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <124050@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [cross posted to both the Ovation pro and Archive-onLine lists with respect to possible Impression import for Ovation Pro...] In message <124050@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >I also have a couple of awkward documents for which I still employ Impression. > > All contributions welcome - by email as long as they are relatively small. > Given that Paul Beverley of Archive fame(?) doesn't see any point in transferring to Ovpro, maybe now he will :-) How about getting a copy of the latest Archive CD and see how your Impression importer fares with the Archive magazines themselves? I'm sure Paul B wouldn't mind sending (or selling) you a copy to show he's open to progress ;-) > > Interesting thing, Impression is limited to 255 styles and effects in one > document. So you can only have 255 fonts (and nothing else), or 255 font > sizes. Surprised this has never been raised as a problem... > Well... I did have a document that exceeded these limits - OK, I'm lying, but it did stop you in your tracks for a mo... Didn't it? Oh well :-( PS And I've managed you use the only three smileys I know in the same email! God, that's sad, isn't it? -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 01:36:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124061 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 01:36:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955055343:10:10199:17; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:09:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010105; 6 Apr 2000 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19684 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:32:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19679 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:32:24 +0100 From: Received: from ilfprep.demon.co.uk ([194.222.45.155]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dIwv-0001Az-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:32:22 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by ilfprep.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:30:51 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News References: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:15:41 +0100 Message-ID: <20000406.211541.01@ilfprep.demon.co.uk> Organization: Ilford Preparatory School X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.57h Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > So the pieces are in place for the OvationPro upgrade CD, and it is likely > that the next step will be to release that. > How will this affect those of us with site licences? Will there be a site licence version, or we will be able to use multiple copies of the standard CD by paying an appropriate fee? Up to now I have been able to apply the upgrades starting from version 2.46n and currently run v2.58. -- Terry Worton Ilford Preparatory School .... I have 240 airconditioning in my car; 2 windows down at 40mph. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 01:36:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124062 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 01:36:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955059529:20:01828:30; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:18:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001744; 6 Apr 2000 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20056 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:37:31 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20051 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:37:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 11699 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2000 21:37:26 -0000 Received: from userbn32.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.145.83) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2000 21:37:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:20:09 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <49AB223F2E%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <124013@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <124013@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <124013@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > Richard Watkinson wrote: > > I'm sure you've thought about this but wouldn't it be worth putting 2.59 > > on the website first - just to make sure it's ok? > Well it would actually. The changes to 2.59 are quite large. I may do that > anyway. Why not release 2.59 to the ppl who were going to get the CD free anyway? > But I thought the bulleting and Impression loader might be a bit of > incentive to buy the upgrade. I'd agree with that sentiment, but how about another reason? Why not make this the base for future upgrades, too. > > Pete Bready wrote: > > How will you handle features that OvPro doesn't have like guide and > > repeat frames? > [...] all those frames which have been tweeked to just hold the text won't. I suspect that, compared to the (overall) benefit of converting ImpPub docs, sorting this out would be just a minor annoyance to most ppl. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ If I save time, when do I get it back? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 01:37:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124063 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 01:36:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955057562:10:23934:17; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:46:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023852; 6 Apr 2000 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19932 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:25:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19925 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:25:36 +0100 Received: from usern503.uk.uudial.com (193.149.85.28) [193.149.85.28] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12dJmO-0005OV-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:25:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:47:44 +0100 Subject: Re: pantone colours Message-ID: <49aae2da85charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <002c01bf9e82$50650cc0$c794a8c2@akalat> References: <49a862e303badger.set@argonet.co.uk> <49aa142594charles.hope@ar User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Apr, Mike Williams wrote: > > I have been asked to use a particular Pantone colour in a document I am > > producing. > Produce it as a single colour document (in black say) and tell the > printer the Pantone number. Yes, that is what is being done at present, but the idea - not mine - is to have both a colour photograph and a Pantone colour on the same piece of film. > Or, tell me the Pantone number and I'll tell you Pantone's official CMYK > equivalent. Then define the Pantone with these parameters as a spot > colour. Pantone 576C. Many thanks -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 01:37:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124064 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 01:36:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955061691:20:20652:20; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:54:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127433; 6 Apr 2000 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20351 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:24:50 +0100 Received: from technetium.cix.co.uk (technetium.cix.co.uk [194.153.0.53]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20345 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:24:48 +0100 Received: (from cix@localhost) by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id XAA24797 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:24:44 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:24 +0100 (BST) From:(E J Phillips) Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> Impression loader. Will it include Impression Style? John Phillips Cumbria in the North West -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 01:37:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124065 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 01:37:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955058828:10:02129:22; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:07:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1124308; 6 Apr 2000 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20074 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:39:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20069 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:39:34 +0100 Received: from usereb94.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.75] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12dJzv-0006FS-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:39:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:38:58 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <49ab2ef4debob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I'm slightly curious as to what sort of documents I'm going to find in the > real world. Clearly I can't support all the old Impression formats going > back to 1988. I think it is aceptable to say that you have to save from a > current version of Impression before loading into OPro. A 'current version' > takes us back to at least 1994. > If anyone has any ideas on how to get hold of representative Impression > files let me know. Until recently I have used Impression to produce fairly high quality mathematical resources containing frames a small variety of fonts, Draw and ArtWorks files of mathematical solids and sone scanned images etc. These would be a good test. Also, I am about to publish a mathematical rsource book which is currently in Impression format, but which I would love to transfer. If any particular files are of interest I will gladly email them. Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 03:14:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124072 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 03:14:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955071546:10:12121:18; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 01:39:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012106; 7 Apr 2000 1:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20898 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:01:41 +0100 Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20893 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:01:37 +0100 Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p7.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.137]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08457 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:56:47 +1200 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:06:36 +1200 (GMT) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49aadf3bffrobh@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 06 Apr, Rob Hemmings wrote: > In article <124013@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > > that anyway. But I thought the bulleting and Impression loader might be > > a bit of incentive to buy the upgrade. > > I'm sure you are right. Making 2.59 generally available on the web site > is bound to reduce the number of people buying the CD. I'd suggest > distributing to a small number of beta testers - I'm sure there will be > plenty of willing volunteers! > The obvious candidates whould be those that are going to get the CD free in any case.............. ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HEAT TREATED ICE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 13:54:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124074 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 13:54:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955074640:20:26229:19; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:30:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125338; 7 Apr 2000 2:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21161 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:14:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21156 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:14:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dOI9-000EtT-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:14:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 01:40:05 GMT Message-Id: <124068@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro From: >How will this affect those of us with site licences? I'd think you'd just buy the same upgrade at the same price as everyone else. The new version will be registered but not copy protected. This should terminate the fun and games that has gone on with upgrades over recent years. >Up to now I have been able to apply the upgrades >starting from version 2.46n and currently run v2.58. I'd always wondered if that could be done. Many site licence users have been stuck at 2.52... From: Mik Towse >Why not release 2.59 to the ppl who were going to get the CD free anyway? I know that CD's are close to being cast in stone, but realistically what ever comes out on the CD won't be the end of the story, upgrades even if they are only bugfixes will continue via the web site. >I'd agree with that sentiment, but how about another reason? Why not make >this the base for future upgrades, too. But yes I will spring the trap on people who don't pay for the CD... future upgrades won't work for them. From:(E J Phillips) >Impression loader. Will it include Impression Style? I think so. As I've said in my limited tests the Style file format is the same as the Publisher. I keep thinking we could set up a copy of Publisher on a server, email in your old files, and get them back in the new format... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 13:55:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124075 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 13:55:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955079058:20:28705:18; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:44:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028690; 7 Apr 2000 3:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21321 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:03:05 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21316 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:03:03 +0100 Received: from [212.126.146.183] (helo=windowsbox.tfalbb.freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12dP30-0000xy-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:03:02 +0100 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000407035724.00a77980@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:02:23 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: News In-Reply-To: <124050@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R At 20:15 Thursday 06/04/00, you wrote: >As I said I don't intend supporting every version of Impression, the modest >amount of data I have so far, shows that there isn't a lot of variation in >files in current use. I believe Style as well as Publisher files will be OK. >It may be 8 years since they changed file format - no one with an unedited 8 >year old document can seriously want to use it. It occurs to me that it isn't just unedited old documents though, David. When CC introduced the newer single file format, they retained the old one because it allowed larger documents that were bigger than available memory to be loaded piecemeal and still worked on. Or do you mean the format prior to that one? >Interesting thing, Impression is limited to 255 styles and effects in one >document. So you can only have 255 fonts (and nothing else), or 255 font >sizes. Surprised this has never been raised as a problem... Rather than raise any problem with CC, it was generally easier to find a way around it. In this case, splitting the document into parts would seem to be the way. ;-) Having said that, I only came across this when trying to create an example document listing all my fonts. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 13:55:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124081 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 13:55:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955096849:20:06710:17; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 08:40:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111525; 7 Apr 2000 8:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22227 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:13:23 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22222 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:13:20 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup055.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.217]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA17746 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:14:48 +0100 Message-ID: <008801bfa068$9a4ddbe0$d994a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <49a862e303badger.set@argonet.co.uk> <49aa142594charles.hope@ar Subject: Re: pantone colours Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:54:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yes, that is what is being done at present, but the idea - not mine - is >to have both a colour photograph and a Pantone colour on the same piece of >film. > >> Or, tell me the Pantone number and I'll tell you Pantone's official CMYK >> equivalent. Then define the Pantone with these parameters as a spot >> colour. > > >Pantone 576C. Pantone 576C is a dull mid green with CMYK equivalent (quite a good match) of 56% cyan, 0% magenta, 91% yellow, 38% black. To include a full colour illustration you could represent the Pantone colour with the CMYK mix above. For the best result you would need to print in five colours: CMYK + Pantone. A Pantone colour is always more solid than a mix of CMYK. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 13:56:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124084 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 13:56:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955097759:20:01690:22; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 08:55:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111097; 7 Apr 2000 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22317 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:24:17 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22312 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:24:15 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dU3q-000MKY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:24:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:11:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: News & possible Impression import for OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <15f227ab49.pbready@net.ntl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 06 Apr, Pete Bready wrote: > Given that Paul Beverley of Archive fame(?) doesn't see any point in > transferring to Ovpro, maybe now he will :-) > > How about getting a copy of the latest Archive CD and see how your Impression > importer fares with the Archive magazines themselves? I'm sure Paul B > wouldn't mind sending (or selling) you a copy to show he's open to progress ;-) Paul just managed to get Archive's Impression output from a PS image setter, do you want him or the printer to start with the glue bottle again? ;-) Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 14:03:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124091 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 14:03:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955087464:10:03140:18; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 06:04:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127591; 7 Apr 2000 6:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21777 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:36:06 +0100 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21772 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:36:04 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem3073.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.140.1]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22808 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:36:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:58:11 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 07 Apr, E J Phillips wrote: > In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> > Impression loader. Will it include Impression Style? I must say that Publiser and/or Impression loaders will most probably convince met to use Opro 100% -at the moment it's about 70% of the time, demonstrations to prospects included. There are may Unique Selling Propositions incorporated in Opro. But, as I have app. 800 ten year old documents (yes David) which still need maintenance Publisher is 'the thing' many times, despite the fact that Ctrl-C and Ctrl-v are Mac- and/or PC-commands -yes I don't like these; one of the main virtues of Opro: Alt-move! Wonderful-. I will e-mail a document -no sprites- to David, just to be futuristically happy! Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 19:26:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124110 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 19:25:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955120591:10:19230:28; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:16:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005914; 7 Apr 2000 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23740 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:16:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23728 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:16:14 +0100 Received: from nthom.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.75]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dZYP-000CXo-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:16:09 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:57:17 +0100 (BST) From: Norman Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 05 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > I think it's a couple of weeks or so since I said what was going > on with OPro. At the time the plan was to release 2.59 with auto > bulleting asap. > > However about a week ago, I thought I'd try to work out the Impression > file format. Progress has been good. I can't make promises but there's > every hope that there will soon be an Impression document loader for > OvationPro. > > At the moment I can load Impression documents and get all the frames and > pictures in the right place. With luck text will soon follow. > > In addition Jan van Vredenburch has now delivered much of the revised > manual for OvationPro. > > So the pieces are in place for the OvationPro upgrade CD, and it is likely > that the next step will be to release that. > > I plan to include as much third party stuff as I can. I'm going to email the > authors whose work I am aware of to ask permission. They'll get the CD for > free, as will anyone who has bought OPro post Beebug (serial numbers of 5000 > or greater). > > However contributions for the CD are still welcome. > > The Impression loader has long beeen talked about as a killer feature. You > now don't have to leave all your old documents behind to switch to using > OvationPro. > > I'm slightly curious as to what sort of documents I'm going to find in the real > world. Clearly I can't support all the old Impression formats going back to 1988. > I think it is aceptable to say that you have to save from a current version > of Impression before loading into OPro. A 'current version' takes us back to > at least 1994. > > If anyone has any ideas on how to get hold of representative Impression files > let me know. > > (I don't want spamming with megabytes of Impression Junior documents > that contain nothing but large sprites...) > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 19:47:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124114 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 19:47:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955124806:11:28089:47; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:26:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1027274; 7 Apr 2000 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24480 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:03:40 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24471 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:03:34 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA23021 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:02:58 +0200 Message-Id: <200004071602.SAA23021@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 07 Apr 2000 07:57:00 GMT Subject: Re: News & possible Impression import for OvPro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >PS And I've managed you use the only three smileys I know in the same email! >God, that's sad, isn't it? > What can I say... 8O ;> Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 19:55:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124117 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 19:55:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955098023:11:01916:19; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:00:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010617; 7 Apr 2000 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22300 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:21:11 +0100 Received: from inca.sle.sharp.co.uk. (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22295 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:21:08 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk. (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23806 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:15:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <38ED9A7F.68B20FAA@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:21:19 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News References: <124050@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > Interesting thing, Impression is limited to 255 styles and effects in one > document. So you can only have 255 fonts (and nothing else), or 255 font > sizes. Surprised this has never been raised as a problem... That is interesting - I have a set of Japanese Kanji fonts which I tried to use for a complex document. Impression fell over after very little text. They are fine for small amounts of kanji embedded in mostly 'normal' text. A 255 limit of styles and effects could explain a lot. I always thought an improved font manager would be the best .. but I think that was covered elsewhere. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 19:55:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124118 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 19:55:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955098074:11:03366:30; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:01:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101121; 7 Apr 2000 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22331 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:24:24 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22319 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:24:19 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dU3u-000MKY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:24:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:23:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 05 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > In addition Jan van Vredenburch has now delivered much of the revised > manual for OvationPro. > > So the pieces are in place for the OvationPro upgrade CD, and it is likely > that the next step will be to release that. > > I plan to include as much third party stuff as I can. I'm going to email the > authors whose work I am aware of to ask permission. They'll get the CD for > free, as will anyone who has bought OPro post Beebug (serial numbers of 5000 > or greater). > > However contributions for the CD are still welcome. Something I have been waiting for. Nice to be able to send you some money for all the work done. Jan, thank you for your work. Is it possible to seperate part of the CD for a very bug free version of OP and similar applets? I find it far nicer to have something I can rely on and reinstall immediately than an application where I have to gather all the latest bits and pieces from different places and must be aware of their limitations. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 19:55:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124119 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 19:55:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955098502:10:23126:47; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:08:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023587; 7 Apr 2000 9:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22448 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:37:12 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (root@[212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22443 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:37:09 +0100 Received: from redhotant.com ([195.217.162.25]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 07:53:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry Thompson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 07:25:59 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <49ab5f349aBarry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <124068@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <124068@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <124068@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: Snipped a bit. > But yes I will spring the trap on people who don't pay for the CD... > future upgrades won't work for them. A very good idea. > From:(E J Phillips) > >Impression loader. Will it include Impression Style? > I think so. As I've said in my limited tests the Style file format is > the same as the Publisher. > I keep thinking we could set up a copy of Publisher on a server, email > in your old files, and get them back in the new format... That would be, so cooooooool! > David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 19:57:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124127 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 19:57:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955129640:11:07642:28; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:47:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107227; 7 Apr 2000 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25021 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:28:46 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (root@[212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25016 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:28:44 +0100 Received: from redhotant.com ([195.217.161.147]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 18:47:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:31:39 +0100 Subject: Disappearing frames Message-ID: <49ab8bab6ejack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've recently needed to fax a scanned A4 via Arcfax and it's thrown up an OPro feature that has bothered me for some time. (Arcfax is a red herring in this connection). This is that a sprite file dragged into an empty page sits there in its own frame occupying the top lefthand corner of the page. If the frame is then dragged to the extremes of the page frame in order to fill the page, it disappears leaving an overflow error and it is/seems impossible to retrieve it. On this occasion, in the end I had to switch to Impression, with no problem - the sprite filled the page franme automatically. Am I just being incompetant or put my finger on an OPro bug? Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 mailto:jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 20:04:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124128 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 20:04:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955133778:10:14683:17; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 18:56:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014526; 7 Apr 2000 18:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25453 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:28:14 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25448 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:28:11 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.82] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12ddUk-0007Vm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:28:38 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:07:02 +0100 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:08:12 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Disappearing frames Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49ab8bab6ejack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Jack Evans wrote: > This is that a sprite file dragged into an empty page sits there in its > own frame occupying the top lefthand corner of the page. If the frame is > then dragged to the extremes of the page frame in order to fill the page, > it disappears leaving an overflow error and it is/seems impossible to > retrieve it. You need to create a new frame and drop the sprite into it. > Am I just being incompetant or put my finger on an OPro bug? or a feature, perhaps? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 20:12:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124131 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 20:12:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955118903:20:26076:26; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:48:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111728; 7 Apr 2000 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23735 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:16:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23730 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:16:16 +0100 Received: from nthom.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.75]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dZYQ-000CXo-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:16:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:01:29 +0100 (BST) From: Norman Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 05 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > I think it's a couple of weeks or so since I said what was going > on with OPro. At the time the plan was to release 2.59 with auto > bulleting asap. > > However about a week ago, I thought I'd try to work out the Impression > file format. As always, I'm delighted to hear that David is adding to RISCOS life. Tell me, though, I hope that I am right in thinking that paragraph numbering and bulleting will also be included. That is, the original plan is being extended, not replaced. The 'However' has me worried. -- Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 20:12:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124132 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 20:12:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955122397:20:04206:29; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:46:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002943; 7 Apr 2000 15:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24020 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:03:12 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24013 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:03:08 +0100 Received: from modem-17.fermium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.69.145] helo=beeston12) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12daHr-0005rC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:03:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:58:15 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <124068@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David, In message <124068@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: .............. It's food to see all this enthusiasm for the developments you are planning. Could I enter again a plea for the upgrading of the TransWord filter, so that I could take into OvationPro documents processed in WordPerfect9000, or do I mean wordPerfect2000 ? Best wishes, Robin. -- Robin & Barbara Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 20:12:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124136 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 20:12:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955125139:20:24659:22; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:32:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024764; 7 Apr 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24470 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:03:34 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24459 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:03:30 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA23003 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:02:55 +0200 Message-Id: <200004071602.SAA23003@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 07 Apr 2000 07:41:13 GMT Subject: Re: News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [nice news snipped] >If anyone has any ideas on how to get hold of representative Impression files >let me know. > We have Imp documents of varying size and complexity from ca. '91 until OPro came about (they are german though). So there are Impression 1, 2, Publisher and Publisher Pro files available. >(I don't want spamming with megabytes of Impression Junior documents >that contain nothing but large sprites...) > But You can have that too... ;) With kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 20:12:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124137 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 20:12:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955125153:20:25287:18; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:32:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118282; 7 Apr 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24477 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:03:37 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24462 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA23010 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:02:57 +0200 Message-Id: <200004071602.SAA23010@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 07 Apr 2000 07:53:31 GMT Subject: Re: News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >Interesting thing, Impression is limited to 255 styles and effects in one >document. So you can only have 255 fonts (and nothing else), or 255 font >sizes. Surprised this has never been raised as a problem... > Erm, it was but the complaint went to /dev/null. CC never listened to suggestions or bug-reports (YMMV). Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 20:12:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124139 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 20:12:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955133095:20:29559:17; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 18:44:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129141; 7 Apr 2000 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25426 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:26:06 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22430 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:36:09 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15816 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:36:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06838 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:36:06 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: News Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:34:30 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <124068@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > From:(E J Phillips) > > >Impression loader. Will it include Impression Style? > > I think so. As I've said in my limited tests the Style file format is > the same as the Publisher. That fits with my recollection from CC's documentation - I seem to recall you just lose features rather than being locked out. Certainly Publisher reads Style, which suggests that the latter format is just a subset. > I keep thinking we could set up a copy of Publisher on a server, email > in your old files, and get them back in the new format... Perhaps you could do a screenshot too, so those who haven't upgraded yet can see what it will look like when opened in OP ;-) TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 20:14:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124140 for opro ; Fri, 07 Apr 100 20:14:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955134606:10:26503:20; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:10:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120825; 7 Apr 2000 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25410 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:25:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25405 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:25:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ddS1-000Egb-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:25:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:24:05 GMT Message-Id: <124104@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It occurs to me that it isn't just unedited old documents though, David. >When CC introduced the newer single file format, they retained the old one >because it allowed larger documents that were bigger than available memory >to be loaded piecemeal and still worked on. >Or do you mean the format prior to that one? As of today there are 2 formats, the single file one, and the directory one, there is a simple mapping from one to the other. My efforts so far are on the single file format because it can be loaded using the current loading system (which only works with files). But there is no fundamental problem with loading the directory documents. If you go back in time (cyber archeology) then there are only directory documents and they are not in the same format as modern ones. A question I don't know the answer to, is if there has been more than one format of the the single file document. Or when this came in did CC sort out the directory format. >>Interesting thing, Impression is limited to 255 styles and effects in one Another interesting thing is that internally Impression has an origin at X=Y=10 pts. So when you have a frame with coordinates X=Y=0, internally it has coordinates 10,-10 pt. I wonder why? I thought of bleed, but don't know enough about Impression to know if it supports that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 8 00:17:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124167 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 00:17:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955142784:10:22622:17; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:26:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022596; 7 Apr 2000 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26168 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:10:18 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26154 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:10:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dg16-0002U7-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:10:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:33:51 GMT Message-Id: <124157@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Tell me, though, I hope that I am right in thinking that paragraph numbering >and bulleting will also be included. That is, the original plan is being >extended, not replaced. Yes numbering and bullets are hear to stay. Removing them is not an option now. But anyway they work and I've not seen any new problems using OPro with them in. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 8 00:18:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124172 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 00:18:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955144125:20:00962:17; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:48:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000616; 7 Apr 2000 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26163 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:10:15 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26149 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:10:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dg15-0002U7-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:10:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:29:46 GMT Message-Id: <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Disappearing frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >This is that a sprite file dragged into an empty page sits there in its >own frame occupying the top lefthand corner of the page. If the frame is >then dragged to the extremes of the page frame in order to fill the page, >it disappears leaving an overflow error and it is/seems impossible to >retrieve it. This isn't a bug, its all logical and correct when you know what is going on. If you drop a graphics file into a text frame with some text in it, or a text frame which is part of an auto linked chain, then it is automatically turned into a graphic in an embedded frame. i.e. a frame embedded in the text flow. Notice you can insert the caret before it and if you type it will move long. Well you can change the size of such embedded frames, but once they are bigger than the frame in which they are embedded they overflow. You also can't move them outside the text story. What you should do is create a new frame and drop the graphic into it. With my recent experience of using Impression... it does things differently, I can't work out how to convert a text frame back into a picture frame. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 8 03:17:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124183 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 03:17:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955150232:10:11147:17; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:30:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118567; 7 Apr 2000 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26636 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:00:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA26631 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:00:10 +0100 Received: from usereo20.uk.uudial.com (usereo20) [62.188.15.18] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12dhjS-0002hj-00; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:00:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:42:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Disappearing frames Message-ID: <49abb89158rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > If you drop a graphics file into a text frame with some text in it, > or a text frame which is part of an auto linked chain, then it is > automatically turned into a graphic in an embedded frame. i.e. > a frame embedded in the text flow. Notice you can insert the caret > before it and if you type it will move long. > Well you can change the size of such embedded frames, but once they are > bigger than the frame in which they are embedded they overflow. You also ^^^^^^ > can't move them outside the text story. They also overflow if they become the /same size/ as the frame into which they are embedded. Make sure that Inset is set to zero. Drop a graphic into a frame. Resize it to just less than the frame size and it's OK. Resize it until the frame is exactly the same and it overflows. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 8 13:12:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124192 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 13:12:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955167959:11:21071:17; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:25:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017711; 8 Apr 2000 4:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27395 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:55:23 +0100 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27390 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:55:19 +0100 Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-48.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.178]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA21272 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:55:13 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:41:31 +1300 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Re: Disappearing frames To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <49ab8bab6ejack@snave.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 08 Apr, Jack Evans wrote: > I've recently needed to fax a scanned A4 via Arcfax and it's thrown up an > OPro feature that has bothered me for some time. (Arcfax is a red herring > in this connection). > > This is that a sprite file dragged into an empty page sits there in its > own frame occupying the top left hand corner of the page. If the frame > is then dragged to the extremes of the page frame in order to fill the > page, it disappears leaving an overflow error and it is/seems impossible > to retrieve it. Yes, I've had this, too. My solution was to create a frame and overlay it on the. The sprite will automatically fill the frame you created. David -- Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. (Bernard Shaw) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 8 13:13:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124197 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 13:13:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955191236:10:24197:17; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:53:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024077; 8 Apr 2000 10:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28227 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:27:16 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28222 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:27:14 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13277 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:26:35 +0200 Message-Id: <200004081026.MAA13277@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 08 Apr 2000 10:25:26 GMT Subject: Re: Disappearing frames MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 X-Popauth-Info: 955188209 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >With my recent experience of using Impression... it does things differently, >I can't work out how to convert a text frame back into a picture frame. > You cant't. The first use of a frame makes it either text or graphic. Can't be changed later. Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 8 13:13:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124199 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 13:13:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955193723:10:01750:17; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:35:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001676; 8 Apr 2000 11:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28362 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:07:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28352 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:07:01 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dt4v-000JSf-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:07:01 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:06:21 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: News To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <124104@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 07 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > Another interesting thing is that internally Impression has an origin at > X=Y=10 pts. So when you have a frame with coordinates X=Y=0, internally > it has coordinates 10,-10 pt. > > I wonder why? I thought of bleed, but don't know enough about Impression to > know if it supports that. > You can set up bleed on the master pages Regards, -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 8 13:13:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124201 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 13:13:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955193762:10:03997:17; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:36:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116923; 8 Apr 2000 11:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28364 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:07:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28357 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:07:03 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dt4w-000JSf-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:07:02 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:02:38 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Disappearing frames To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 07 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, [snip] > With my recent experience of using Impression... it does things > differently, I can't work out how to convert a text frame back into a > picture frame. No, IIRC it can't be done. You have to create a new frame. Regards, -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 8 16:31:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124214 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 16:31:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955197668:10:11585:17; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:41:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011478; 8 Apr 2000 12:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28803 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:13:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28794 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:13:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12du6v-000I2e-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:13:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:19:52 GMT Message-Id: <124187@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Jan, thank you for your work. Yes, I owe him a massive debt, because it would have taken me several months of doing nothing else to sort out the manual. >Is it possible to seperate part of the CD for a very bug free version of >OP and similar applets? Good idea, but how do you get your bug free version. Be like MS and ship several 100K test copies, and even then (as just happened), the final version will still have something wrong with it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 8 16:31:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124215 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 16:31:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955196996:20:03009:21; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:29:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110298; 8 Apr 2000 12:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28807 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:13:14 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26895 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 01:07:06 +0100 Received: from windowsbox.LineOne.net (host62-6-9-131.btinternet.com [62.6.9.131]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24585 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 01:04:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000408005805.00a935b0@pop3.lineone.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop3.lineone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 01:00:05 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: Disappearing frames In-Reply-To: <124155@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 22:29 Friday 07/04/00, you wrote: >With my recent experience of using Impression... it does things differently, >I can't work out how to convert a text frame back into a picture frame. It's been a while since I used Impression, but I seem to remember having to delete the text frame and create a new one. I may be wrong though, or thinking of a very old version. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From mark@madsoft.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 8 16:31:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124217 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 16:31:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955202715:10:17539:1; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 14:05:15 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.19]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017354; 8 Apr 2000 14:05 GMT Received: from modem-22.exorex.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.94.22] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12dvrJ-00043i-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:05:09 +0100 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:03:49 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <1189fab49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: mark@madsoft.freeserve.co.uk X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Status: R In message your last message you wrote: > > Hi, > [snip] > > I plan to include as much third party stuff as I can. I'm going to email the > authors whose work I am aware of to ask permission. They'll get the CD for > free, as will anyone who has bought OPro post Beebug (serial numbers of 5000 > or greater). > > However contributions for the CD are still welcome. > Hi, I'm curently working ona global clipboard manager (as a result of Dave Symes requesting one on the OvPro list) Which (if/when) it works I would hope will be a really useful tool and you may be interested for the CD, however it's very unfinished. How much time am I likely to have to finish it before the CD goes out? I could sent you and alpha if you wan't to see it. Bye, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Friends: people who borrow my books and set wet glasses on them. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 8 16:31:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124218 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 16:31:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955206120:10:15537:17; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:02:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015481; 8 Apr 2000 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29351 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:34:00 +0100 Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29346 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:33:58 +0100 Received: from pc0s09a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.233.193] helo=editstation) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12dwJB-0005iT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:33:57 +0100 From: "Malcolm Knight" To: Subject: RE: News Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:36:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > From: > [mailto:owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk]On Behalf Of > Nick Kaijaks > Sent: 07 April 2000 09:35 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: RE: News > > > From:(E J Phillips) > > > > >Impression loader. Will it include Impression Style? > > > > I think so. As I've said in my limited tests the Style > file format is > > the same as the Publisher. > > That fits with my recollection from CC's documentation - I > seem to recall > you just lose features rather than being locked out. > Certainly Publisher > reads Style, which suggests that the latter format is just a subset. Style will even read Publisher irregular frames - but you can't edit them. -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:07:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124251 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:07:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955213563:20:11290:42; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:06:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122467; 8 Apr 2000 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29755 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:48:51 +0100 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124217 for opro ; Sat, 08 Apr 100 16:31:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955202715:10:17539:1; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 14:05:15 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.19]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017354; 8 Apr 2000 14:05 GMT Received: from modem-22.exorex.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.94.22] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12dvrJ-00043i-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:05:09 +0100 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:03:49 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <1189fab49%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123963@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message your last message you wrote: > > Hi, > [snip] > > I plan to include as much third party stuff as I can. I'm going to email the > authors whose work I am aware of to ask permission. They'll get the CD for > free, as will anyone who has bought OPro post Beebug (serial numbers of 5000 > or greater). > > However contributions for the CD are still welcome. > Hi, I'm curently working ona global clipboard manager (as a result of Dave Symes requesting one on the OvPro list) Which (if/when) it works I would hope will be a really useful tool and you may be interested for the CD, however it's very unfinished. How much time am I likely to have to finish it before the CD goes out? I could sent you and alpha if you wan't to see it. Bye, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Friends: people who borrow my books and set wet glasses on them. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:07:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124252 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:07:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955214301:10:00690:17; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:18:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000571; 8 Apr 2000 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29778 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:49:00 +0100 Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27921 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:32:21 +0100 Received: from p38s09a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.233.57] helo=Acorn) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12dpjA-0006fJ-00; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:32:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim Hill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, archive-on-line@argonet.co.uk Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 08:21:20 +0100 Subject: Re: News & possible Impression import for OvPro Message-ID: <49abe81bf1tim.hill@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <15f227ab49.pbready@net.ntl.com> References: <124050@pilling.demon.co.uk> <15f227ab49.pbready@net.ntl.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <15f227ab49.pbready@net.ntl.com>, Pete Bready wrote: > > Interesting thing, Impression is limited to 255 styles and effects in > > one document. So you can only have 255 fonts (and nothing else), or > > 255 font sizes. Surprised this has never been raised as a problem... > > > Well... I did have a document that exceeded these limits - OK, I'm > lying, but it did stop you in your tracks for a mo... Didn't it? Oh > well :-( Problem? IYAM every DTP application should /by law/ have limitations placed on its ability to display too many styles and/or too many fonts. A dozen of each should be more than enough for anyone! ;-) -- The Mysteries: The Passion (14, 18, 19 April) Pygmalion (22 - 24 June) Macbeth (5 - 7 October) http://www.tightfittheatre.co.uk/ .... "A contract of eternal bond of love confirm'd by mutual joinder of hands" Twelfth N, Act v, Sc.1 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:09:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124255 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:09:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955230710:10:01189:17; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 21:51:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106871; 8 Apr 2000 21:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30871 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:19:03 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30866 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:19:00 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12e2dA-000Nmw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:19:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:19:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <124187@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 08 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >Is it possible to seperate part of the CD for a very bug free version of > >OP and similar applets? > > Good idea, but how do you get your bug free version. Be like MS and ship > several 100K test copies, and even then (as just happened), the final > version will still have something wrong with it. An older version, 2.58 for example must be quite bugfree at the time the CD is pressed. Any applet that works with it without problems. Then you can use the rest for the latest versions of all. Could be that I'm a bit too anxious but I hate to return to the dropping upgrade over upgrade routine. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:10:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124259 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:10:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955286283:10:12722:17; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 13:18:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104236; 9 Apr 2000 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00731 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:00:17 +0100 Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00726 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:00:14 +0100 Received: from localhost (usercb91.uk.uudial.com [62.188.151.4]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EF7E7451A for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:00:11 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roy K.Gillard" To: Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 21:28:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Linking frames Message-ID: <49ac30290broy.matra@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49a63ef5f3mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> References: <49a63ef5f3mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49a63ef5f3mick@tab1.demon.co.uk>, Mick Burrell wrote: > I have set up some frames on a master page to use as a guide for each > page that is created. On each page of the document I want to make them > local so that I can adjust their size if necessary, but I find I cannot > link them. Even though I have made them local, I get the error message > 'cannot link to master frames'. As I have made all frames local on the > document page I don't have any master frames on it - do I? If I link them > on the master page, I cannot make them local in the document. When I originally tried to change to OPro from Publisher I had all sorts of problems because I tried to work the same way, and use linked master page frames. This caused all manner of faults and headaches, and eventually I gave up using links on the master pages. Once I did this I finally started getting it to work without crashing or causing problems. I suggest you forget making master page frames local and draw new ones over your master pages frames using them as guides, then link these new frames. This works for me just like I used to use Publisher, in which you can't write straight into a master page/frame anyway (unless you made it local). The only thing you lose is the automatic opening of a new page/closing of an empty page but this was one of the things that caused me major problems anyway. (e.g. I use an almost blank 32 page document as a 'template' for a bi-monthly magazine but OPro kept deleting all my pages! Also links would disappear off the bottom of the screen to non-existent frames/pages!) Maybe the fault is the way I work, but I find it easy and don't wish to change now. Regards, Roy -- StrongArm RISCOS Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.roy.matra.ukgateway.net/ email: roy.matra@ukgateway.net (PGP key available) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:10:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124261 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:10:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955213621:20:13424:31; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:07:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013397; 8 Apr 2000 17:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29775 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:48:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29762 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:48:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12dyPj-0002MP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:48:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:43:08 GMT Message-Id: <124245@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm curently working ona global clipboard manager (as a result of Dave >Symes requesting one on the OvPro list) Which (if/when) it works I would >hope will be a really useful tool and you may be interested for the CD, >however it's very unfinished. How much time am I likely to have to finish >it before the CD goes out? About 8 - 10 weeks. (unlike the internet which runs on dog years, about 7 to every real time year, the software industry goes on yew tree years, so thats roughly sometime this millenium). I wonder what it does? and how it ties in with recent ROSL progress on pushing the global clipboard forward - including their cb manager. I assume NDA lets me say that and stops me showing you the software. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:10:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124263 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:10:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955214342:20:26688:17; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:19:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112289; 8 Apr 2000 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29767 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:48:54 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28583 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:38:44 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl (ipc379a4ee.dial.wxs.nl [195.121.164.238]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FSP3XG01.70C for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:29:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:29:35 +0200 Subject: Impression Message-ID: <49abfed637delink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <124104@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <124104@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > A question I don't know the answer to, is if there has been more than > one format of the the single file document. Yes, since version 3.0 the format slightly changed. It had something to do with rule off's, and perhaps with some other things. > I wonder why? I thought of bleed, but don't know enough about Impression > to know if it supports that. Yes, Impression supports bleeding, albeit in a slightly different way: you can define a bleed for every single masterpage. > I can't work out how to convert a text frame back into a picture frame. You can't. An Impression frame is either text or graphics, depending on what you entered the first time. (Hurray for Ovation, by the way). Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:10:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124264 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:10:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955302906:10:06521:17; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:55:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006421; 9 Apr 2000 17:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01324 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:24:32 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01319 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:24:30 +0100 Received: from userem74.uk.uudial.com (62.188.14.128) [62.188.14.128] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12eLRg-0004PT-00; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:24:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:41:46 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: News & possible Impression import for OvPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 8 Apr 2000 (08:21:20 +0100), tim.hill@argonet.co.uk wrote: > Problem? IYAM every DTP application should /by law/ have limitations > placed on its ability to display too many styles and/or too many fonts. > > A dozen of each should be more than enough for anyone! ;-) > Yes I agree in principle but I have fallen foul of RTF imports into Impression. This operation defines a HUGE number of special styles - I have never checked to see if they are all needed! The result is that ordinary style declarations can go over the limit. There is another case where a multiplicity of styles etc. is less avoidable. I edit a Parish/Community Magazine where every other information entry has some new tabular/font requirements (e.g. Crossword Clues, Rotas, Advertisements) The normal editorial text requires only a few styles - but these special items eat them up! John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:10:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124265 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:10:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955216645:20:14787:17; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:57:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014750; 8 Apr 2000 17:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29993 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:16:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29988 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:16:11 +0100 Received: from useri406.uk.uudial.com (194.69.106.16) [194.69.106.16] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12dyq7-0004SM-00; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:16:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:14:33 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Using !Speak Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This one seems to have gone silent ... On Tue 4 Apr 2000 (17:53:39 +0100), pnyoung@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On Sat 1 Apr 2000 (18:21:59 +0100), mpc@shelburne.freeserve.co.uk >wrote: >Using OvPro 2.58, I get errors (and no sprites) when I click on >the >>macros for !Speak (v2.07) representing start speak or stop speak. Has >>anyone got !Speak working as it should with OvPro 2.58? If so, is >there >>something (probably obvious) which needs to be done to get it to work? >> >>Sorry if this has been discussed before; I haven't found a >>references to it. >> >>Thanks for any help. > >What I do is: >1) Filer_Boot Speak and >2) Run the Speak !RunMODULE >in my Desktop Boot file. This seems to do both the things you need. > This works for me, but is it the right way to do it? I looked in the help file in the Speech applet, and it just says 'Speak must have been seen by the filer', but ISTR that this doesn't work unless I also loaded and ran the module too. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:11:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124280 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:11:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955235801:20:16389:21; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:16:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122112; 8 Apr 2000 23:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31213 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:01:12 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31208 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:01:10 +0100 Received: from p5ds05a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.229.94] helo=p5ds05a07) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12e4Fh-0008Fw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:02:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 19:32:33 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <49ac258f60rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <124245@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <124245@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <124245@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > About 8 - 10 weeks. (unlike the internet which runs on dog years, about > 7 to every real time year, the software industry goes on yew tree > years, so thats roughly sometime this millenium). > I wonder what it does? and how it ties in with recent ROSL progress on > pushing the global clipboard forward - including their cb manager. > I assume NDA lets me say that and stops me showing you the software. If RISCOS Ltd keep to their usual timetable, it will be ready in time for Ovation 3000 ;-) They've got the rest of RISC OS 4 to fix yet before adding anything else. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:11:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124283 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:11:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955261871:20:16191:20; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 06:31:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016164; 9 Apr 2000 6:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32310 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 07:13:11 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA32305 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 07:13:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 2046 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2000 06:14:55 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 2000 06:14:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 20706 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2000 06:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.65.56) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 9 Apr 2000 06:13:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:38:22 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Disappearing frames To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 08 Apr, David Love wrote: > On Sat 08 Apr, Jack Evans wrote: > > I've recently needed to fax a scanned A4 via Arcfax and it's thrown up an > > OPro feature that has bothered me for some time. (Arcfax is a red herring > > in this connection). > > > > This is that a sprite file dragged into an empty page sits there in its > > own frame occupying the top left hand corner of the page. If the frame > > is then dragged to the extremes of the page frame in order to fill the > > page, it disappears leaving an overflow error and it is/seems impossible > > to retrieve it. > > Yes, I've had this, too. My solution was to create a frame and overlay > it on the. The sprite will automatically fill the frame you created. > > David > If you want a document purely for a full page graphic, as Jack seems to mean, create a document with no master frame, create a frame on the page and drop the sprite in. (I think David's solution will generate a second page it the sprite frame covers the whole of the master frame unless you then modify the sprite frame to have no text runaround). Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 10 19:12:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124294 for opro ; Mon, 10 Apr 100 19:12:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955355610:20:23698:62; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:33:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013637; 10 Apr 2000 8:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03364 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:59:47 +0100 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03359 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:59:41 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p81.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.81]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28691 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:59:32 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <38F17BD7.9B965BB8@netvision.net.il> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:59:35 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News References: <200004071602.SAA23010@widukind.bi.teuto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Martin Vethake wrote: > > In your earlier message you wrote: > [snip] > >Interesting thing, Impression is limited to 255 styles and effects in one > >document. So you can only have 255 fonts (and nothing else), or 255 font > >sizes. Surprised this has never been raised as a problem... > > > Erm, it was but the complaint went to /dev/null. CC never listened to > suggestions or bug-reports (YMMV). I think that is being unfair. They may not have wanted to commit resources to more improvements or bug fixes, but I have a number of replies from them, both printed and email. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 11 14:22:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124360 for opro ; Tue, 11 Apr 100 14:22:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955419790:20:08472:52; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:23:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129428; 11 Apr 2000 2:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06124 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:05:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06116 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:05:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12eq3d-000EMD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:05:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:38:35 GMT Message-Id: <124353@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I can't figure out how to insert inline horizontal rule-offs into Ovation >Pro documents. Is the only way to do this to either draw the line in Ovation >Pro and live with it not following the text or to draw a line in !Draw and >import it? Draw horizontal line (in OPro) Copy to Clipboard (Edit menu) Position caret in text where you want the rule off Use Embed object from Edit menu David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 11 14:22:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124361 for opro ; Tue, 11 Apr 100 14:22:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955420695:10:24069:17; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:38:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113053; 11 Apr 2000 2:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06122 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:05:39 +0100 Received: from ucsub.Colorado.EDU (ucsub.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05548 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:39:37 +0100 Received: from alisha (smit17-31.resnet.Colorado.EDU [128.138.17.31]) by ucsub.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/ITS-5.0/standard) with SMTP id PAA03744 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:39:25 -0600 (MDT) From: "Simon Wilson" To: Subject: Horizontal rule-offs Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:39:28 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003292242.XAA24222@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi to everyone and my fellow lurkers, I can't figure out how to insert inline horizontal rule-offs into Ovation Pro documents. Is the only way to do this to either draw the line in Ovation Pro and live with it not following the text or to draw a line in !Draw and import it? Cheers, Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 11 14:25:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124368 for opro ; Tue, 11 Apr 100 14:25:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955447112:11:16859:17; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:58:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115017; 11 Apr 2000 9:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07238 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:26:34 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07233 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:26:32 +0100 Received: from pebs03a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.227.236] helo=pebs03a07) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ewxx-0008TT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:28:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:20:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Horizontal rule-offs Message-ID: <49ad790812rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <200003292242.XAA24222@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Simon Wilson wrote: > Hi to everyone and my fellow lurkers, > I can't figure out how to insert inline horizontal rule-offs into > Ovation Pro documents. Is the only way to do this to either draw the > line in Ovation Pro and live with it not following the text or to draw > a line in !Draw and import it? What I usually do is as follows: First draw the ruleoff line using the draw tool in Ovation Pro. Then, cut it using Ctrl-X Finally, click select at the point where you want the ruleoff to go in the text and embed it - either through the Edit menu, or I have a macro button set up to do it. The line can be then centred or whatever and will flow with the text. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 11 14:25:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124369 for opro ; Tue, 11 Apr 100 14:25:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955450353:10:21248:17; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:52:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113297; 11 Apr 2000 10:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07483 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:28:17 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (root@[212.41.41.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07478 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:28:15 +0100 Received: from redhotant.com ([194.131.242.38]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:46:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: OvationPro User Group Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:04:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Disappearing frames Message-ID: <49ad302786jack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sat 08 Apr, David Love wrote: > > On Sat 08 Apr, Jack Evans wrote: > > > I've recently needed to fax a scanned A4 via Arcfax and it's > > > thrown up an OPro feature that has bothered me for some time. > > > (Arcfax is a red herring in this connection). > > > > > > This is that a sprite file dragged into an empty page sits there > > > in its own frame occupying the top left hand corner of the page. > > > If the frame is then dragged to the extremes of the page frame in > > > order to fill the page, it disappears leaving an overflow error > > > and it is/seems impossible to retrieve it. > > > > Yes, I've had this, too. My solution was to create a frame and > > overlay it on the. The sprite will automatically fill the frame you > > created. > > > > David > > > If you want a document purely for a full page graphic, as Jack seems > to mean, create a document with no master frame, create a frame on the > page and drop the sprite in. (I think David's solution will generate a > second page it the sprite frame covers the whole of the master frame > unless you then modify the sprite frame to have no text runaround). Thanks to all, including David. I get the idea now. -- Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 mailto:ljsevans@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 11 19:03:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124407 for opro ; Tue, 11 Apr 100 19:03:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955476025:20:29713:38; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:00:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101975; 11 Apr 2000 18:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08975 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:30:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08970 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:30:48 +0100 Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12f4Uw-0005Iu-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:30:47 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:40:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: Using !Speak To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Paul's Computer System X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 08 Apr, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > This one seems to have gone silent ... > > On Tue 4 Apr 2000 (17:53:39 +0100), pnyoung@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >On Sat 1 Apr 2000 (18:21:59 +0100), mpc@shelburne.freeserve.co.uk > >wrote: >Using OvPro 2.58, I get errors (and no sprites) when I click on > >the > >>macros for !Speak (v2.07) representing start speak or stop speak. Has > >>anyone got !Speak working as it should with OvPro 2.58? If so, is > >there > >>something (probably obvious) which needs to be done to get it to work? > >> > >>Sorry if this has been discussed before; I haven't found a > >>references to it. > >> > >>Thanks for any help. > > > >What I do is: > >1) Filer_Boot Speak and > >2) Run the Speak !RunMODULE > >in my Desktop Boot file. This seems to do both the things you need. > > > > This works for me, but is it the right way to do it? I looked in the help file > in the Speech applet, and it just says 'Speak must have been seen by the > filer', but ISTR that this doesn't work unless I also loaded and ran the > module too. > It all appears to work Ok me. On my system !Speak gets Filer_Boot before any thing to do with OvnPro. eg !OvnRes. The !Speech applet is active within the OvnPro applets directory, ie no "off" mark at the end of applet name. Using the Macro entry the in the menu the !Speak On/Off Macros have been made active, ie a "tick" in the box. I hope that this is of some help. Regards, Paul. -- NO RISC??..........NO FUN!! ACORN SA-RPC using SA-110 StrongARM (TM) RISC processor Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 11 22:23:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124424 for opro ; Tue, 11 Apr 100 22:23:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955486058:20:24526:19; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:47:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024313; 11 Apr 2000 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09385 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:05:57 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09380 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:05:54 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-18.access.ch [212.161.131.18]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11086 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:05:53 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:24:59 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Linking frames To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <49a63ef5f3mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 28 Mar, Mick Burrell wrote: > I have set up some frames on a master page to use as a guide for each > page that is created. On each page of the document I want to make them > local so that I can adjust their size if necessary, but I find I cannot > link them. Even though I have made them local, I get the error message > 'cannot link to master frames'. As I have made all frames local on the > document page I don't have any master frames on it - do I? If I link them > on the master page, I cannot make them local in the document. A somewhat belated 2nd reaction, as I had been concentrating on the new manual, and with some hesitation having read David Pilling's comments and having not fully tested out what follows. 1. Let us accept your Master page layout. Condition is that the frames you create have no borders, i.e. are not visible when printed; 2. Set up Object duplicate ( Menu->Object->Duplicate ) with zero vertical and horizontal offset (you _can_ choose an offset so as to know that the next step has been executed); 3. On the main document select the frame and press Ctrl D. This creates one (1) copy of the frame that was on your Master page (Yes, surprise, for me as well!, You need not make it Local to do this.); 4. Do the same with all other frames you need. You can then link all the *duplicated* frames as you wish. As said, I did no full testing, so do not know what possibilities for crashes because over over-laying frames can result. But I would be surprised. Now I wonder, Should something about this be added in the new manual? Hope this helps. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 12 01:51:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124437 for opro ; Wed, 12 Apr 100 01:51:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955496356:10:26592:17; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:39:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025980; 11 Apr 2000 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09923 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:19:23 +0100 Received: from smtp.screaming.net (smtp.screaming.net [212.49.224.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09623 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:13:18 +0100 Received: from thosechurchills.screaming.net (dyn212-ras9.froglike.co.uk [212.49.232.212]) by smtp.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01519 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:14:10 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:25:11 +0100 From: M P Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Using !Speak Message-ID: <5361bbad49.mpc@thosechurchills.screaming.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > > On my system !Speak gets Filer_Boot before any thing to do with OvnPro. > eg !OvnRes. The !Speech applet is active within the OvnPro applets > directory, ie no "off" mark at the end of applet name. Using the Macro > entry the in the menu the !Speak On/Off Macros have been made active, > ie a "tick" in the box. > > I hope that this is of some help. > > Regards, Paul. Thank you; it is working well now. Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 13 14:22:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124529 for opro ; Thu, 13 Apr 100 14:22:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955628076:11:05682:40; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:14:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108709; 13 Apr 2000 11:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20774 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:44:18 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20766 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:44:13 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12fi2S-00027v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:44:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:44:12 +0100 Subject: Additions to t'other OPro website Message-ID: <49ae935adaC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently added to the site Updated Contents v. 2.14 applet Updated SRWE v. 0.02 New Sections applet New TextPal applet Url in sig. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 15 02:01:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124611 for opro ; Sat, 15 Apr 100 02:01:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955744977:20:11100:38; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:42:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010593; 14 Apr 2000 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28886 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:56:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28881 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:56:11 +0100 Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12gCCI-0007nY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:56:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:55:40 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: !SRWE applet update To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <802568B6.0033ECE3.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 03 Apr, andy.ling@quantel.com wrote: Snip > > If you have any problems or ideas let me know and I'll see what I > can do to fix/change it. > Hi, Downloaded SRWE from alternate site this evening. Firstly, thanks for your efforts. I especially appreciate CS_F4. For a particular repetitive application I make considerable use of SRWE, so I immediately tested it for a 'feature' for which I have had to develop a work-around. The feature is still present. 'No style' actually works as 'Any style' - I rather hoped that it would now work specifically as 'Base style'. I will try to explain: I wish to generate a set of masters for Train Tickets where the make-up of the train accommodation varies from one tour to another, so I fill linked frames on a single ticket blank with a text file made up of the various classes and corresponding coach letters. This then generates the right number of ticket masters, with the legends all in one style (basestyle if I choose it to be so). The catch is, for example, that upper case C appears in the words 'Countryman', 'Class' and 'Coach' as well as by itself for the individual 'Coach C' For formatting purposes 'Countryman' and 'Class' share the same style, while Coach and C each have different styles from each other and from 'Class'. If 'Countryman Class' and 'Coach' have their styles set using SRWE, subsequent operation with SRWE to adjust the style of 'C' will find every occurrence of upper case C because, though 'C' by itself is in Base style, 'no style' actually is 'any style'. The result is a rather tedious manual skip words when doing the change. The actual workaound that I use is to insert the text with the coach letters followed by a space so that the search field in SRWE contains 'C space' and the replace field is C without space (because the style includes centre text). A bit tedious when doing a ten-coach train, but less tedious than having to go through the tickets deciding individually which upper-case letter needs to be changed. So it's no big deal, but it would be nice if base style could be specifically found. Incidentally, as a result of my testing, I noticed that SRWE toggles the style. I.e. if the style of 'C' is already set, then running with search field 'C' with 'no style' and replace field 'C' with 'letter' (the name of its style - how imaginative!) then the 'C' reverts to base style. Regards John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 15 02:01:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124612 for opro ; Sat, 15 Apr 100 02:01:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955745443:10:09069:18; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:50:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121249; 14 Apr 2000 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29054 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:34:55 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27642 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:53:28 +0100 Received: from userey79.uk.uudial.com (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.19.51] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12g7TK-0004y8-00; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:53:26 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:52:10 +0100 (BST) From: OvationPro Mail Subject: Automated Lists Applet and others, now downloadable To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro *******Non-member submission from [OvationPro Mail ]******** My apologies to anyone who experienced problems downloading any of our applets other the last week. All (known) problems have now been fixed and you can now download any of the applets The following pieces of software are available TransHTML - HTML importer TransGIF - Internet GIF import filter PhotoCD - PhotoCD importer/applet The following OvnPro applets are available Automated lists applet Matched pairs Smart Calendar To get any of these, please visit our website and have a look at our OvationPro pages (from the Software section). http://www.levens-software.co.uk cheers benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 08000 191 243 f: 08000 191 242 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 15 15:02:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124638 for opro ; Sat, 15 Apr 100 15:02:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955805893:10:09306:17; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:38:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008895; 15 Apr 2000 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32677 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:54:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32434 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:56:47 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12gRBu-000F4T-0B for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:56:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:56:36 +0100 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: HTMLPro MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ******Non-member submission from [Tony van der Hoff ] ********* Hi, Has anyone here got experience of the full version of Levens' HTMLPro? I downloaded the demo, and was severely disappointed. Only the first story (the title) in my document came out, and was not in the same place on the page as the original. Ligatures were represented as '?'. He'd stuck his advertising at the bottom of the page. This does not bode well for the full version. Can anyone *really* recommend the full version, and what are it's limitations? I know it's only 30 quid; I'd be prepared to pay double for something that does the job properly. ISTR reading about a utility that converts PS output into PDF files. Anyone remember what/where? Is that any good? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 15 15:02:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124639 for opro ; Sat, 15 Apr 100 15:02:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955805134:20:04257:25; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:25:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004221; 15 Apr 2000 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32684 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:54:48 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32679 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:54:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12gS60-000IAK-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:54:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:38:57 GMT Message-Id: <124630@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: HTML Pro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >ISTR reading about a utility that converts PS output into PDF files. >Anyone remember what/where? Is that any good? GhostScript 5? and in addition you've got the Taborca printer driver, and then RiscScript. I wonder how these compare... >******Non-member submission from [Tony van der Hoff ] ********* BTW, if you *and Mr. Levens* intend conducting a discussion about HTML Pro you'll have to send from the addresses you're subscribed to the list with, because I won't be bouncing email around over the weekend. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 15 16:12:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124640 for opro ; Sat, 15 Apr 100 16:12:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955809377:11:11713:17; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:36:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023351; 15 Apr 2000 14:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00703 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:17:32 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00698 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:17:29 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FT2008NNAD4WV@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:17:29 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:20:18 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: HTMLPro In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: > ISTR reading about a utility that converts PS output into PDF files. > Anyone remember what/where? Is that any good? There are 3 ways to generate PDF on RISC OS: Taborca, free with RISC OS 4, you can print direct to pdf, but only the first 3 pages. Ghostscript 5, free (port from the unix version), you print to postscript then transform it to pdf using commandline commands. Not really fast and needs lots of memory but it works almost always. The quality i got out of it was quite bad, need to look into that again. RiScriptPro, commercial from cerilica, is quite good although doesn't handle every thing and ithas still some srtange quirks, but if it handles the document, it does a good job easier to use then ghostscript and more options. regards Steven M. Ottens Managing Director -- O'dd : Ottens' Dutch Designs - 2d, 3d and 4d designs Site : http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com/ Mail : info@ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:56:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124658 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:56:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955832519:20:09009:18; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:01:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115854; 15 Apr 2000 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02160 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:31:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02155 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:31:30 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12gZE1-000FPZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:31:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:24:25 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: HTMLPro Message-ID: <9fa7caaf49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Has anyone here got experience of the full version of Levens' HTMLPro? I > downloaded the demo, and was severely disappointed. You might have read my review of this package in Acorn User a while ago. As I said then, I don't really like this sort of thing, especially as it puts everything into lots of tables to try and keep the DTP look. However, it does a pretty good job of the conversion (tables apart), with good handling of entities in more recent versions, and there is now the option to save without tables. However, the interface is most odd and it's not very easy to configure. The problems you talked about with the demo version aren't likely to occur in the full version, although I've not used it for very complex documents - I use Zap and HTMLEdit myself. Certainly, it won't force you to include a plug for HTMLPro on your pages (although ISTR that it does default to this, you can turn it off easily enough). > > ISTR reading about a utility that converts PS output into PDF files. > > Anyone remember what/where? Is that any good? > > There are 3 ways to generate PDF on RISC OS: > Taborca [snip] > Ghostscript 5 [snip] The quality i got out of it was quite bad, need to > look into that again. One big advantage of Taborca over Ghostscript is that its PDF files look good on screen. Both are very good quality when printed out, but GS PDFs look bad on screen because it uses Type 3 PS fonts, which are bitmapped for on-screen viewing. If you want long documents that look good on screen as well as when printed, you have to use: > RiScriptPro But I've not used this yet. HTH, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:56:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124672 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:56:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955859998:20:15432:24; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:39:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015405; 16 Apr 2000 4:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03896 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 05:16:07 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03891 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 05:16:01 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p84-tnt1.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.160.84]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id QAA25328 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:15:56 +1200 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:10:52 +1200 (GMT) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: HTMLPro To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id FAB03896 On Sat 15 Apr, Tony van der Hoff wrote: >=20 > ******Non-member submission from [Tony van der Hoff ] ******* > ** >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Has anyone here got experience of the full version of Levens' HTMLPro? = I > downloaded the demo, and was severely disappointed. >=20 Hi Tony.. I have been using their Web Authoring tools for a Number of years now.. and can only say that i am very Satisfied.. Though by no means an expert, I feel quite proud of the results produced by it on my Head Injury NZ web site ;-)) =20 =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you. ICQ# 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 0040 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.org= ..nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:57:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124688 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:57:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955897392:20:03959:26; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:03:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003879; 16 Apr 2000 15:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06167 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:33:20 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06162 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:33:18 +0100 Received: from userk545.uk.uudial.com (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.70.121] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12gq6v-00059W-00; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:33:17 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:28:58 +0100 (BST) From: OvationPro Mail Subject: Re: HTMLPro To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id PAA06163 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id PAB06167 On Sat 15 Apr, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Has anyone here got experience of the full version of Levens' HTMLPro? = I > downloaded the demo, and was severely disappointed. I'm very sorry to here that. > Only the first story (the title) in my document came out, and was not i= n > the same place on the page as the original. Ligatures were represented > as '?'. He'd stuck his advertising at the bottom of the page. This does > not bode well for the full version. Was the document saved as a DDL, or was just the text story saved as a DDL? Text stories don't include frame definitions and as such HTMLPro doesn't attempt to place any that aren't there. The entity conversion problem doesn't appear in the demo version I have, but I have suddenly found that frame vertical alignment is ignored (and thus defaults to centre in most browsers). This is fixed and I have uploaded a new copy of the demo. Also, the demo version only converts the first page. This should've been in the documentation. > Can anyone *really* recommend the full version, and what are it's > limitations? I know it's only 30 quid; I'd be prepared to pay double fo= r > something that does the job properly. It was originally priced at =A349.95 for the single user copy, and we had some great plans for it. Sadly too many people thought that it was overpriced and so a lot of 'planned' features got dropped from the release version, such as text flow (which we are seriously looking at now). If more people had been interested in it, we would have spent a _lot_ more time on development prior to its official release. As Levens Software moves more into the internet market (writing search engines and various other projects/committments) HTMLPro is no longer regarded as one of our main projects. I have full support from my employers to continue its development in my spare time, and they will fund some of the activities invloved with it. I am still toying with the idea of increasing the number of features dramatically. Javascript rollovers are to be included in the next version with CSS support following soon after. I am altering the front end of the software also to make it a lot easier to use. It is by no means going to stay where it is at the minute (it will be more than just a HTML convertor for OvationPro), but I won't say any more. Please, if you have already downloaded the HTMLPro demo, and you are unhappy with its output, send me an email with the original OvationPro file attached (not too large please) and I shall try to find out what the problem is. thanks for listening benji -- _ _ _______ __ __ _ | | | |__ __| \/ | | , __ www.levens-software.co.uk | |__| | | | | \ / | | /|/ \ htmlpro@levens.co.uk | __ | | | | |\/| | | |___/,_ __ | | | | | | | | | | |____| / | / \_ by Levens Software |_| |_| |_| |_| |_|______| |_/\__/ FreeCall 08000 191 243 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:58:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124692 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:58:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955907586:10:17633:17; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:53:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125102; 16 Apr 2000 17:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07007 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:35:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06990 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:35:24 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12gsx9-000HvI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:35:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:27:20 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: HTMLPro References: <9fa7caaf49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9fa7caaf49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <9fa7caaf49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, John Pettigrew writes >In a previous posting, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > >> In message >> Tony van der Hoff wrote: >> >> Has anyone here got experience of the full version of Levens' HTMLPro? I >> downloaded the demo, and was severely disappointed. > >You might have read my review of this package in Acorn User a while ago. As I >said then, I don't really like this sort of thing, especially as it puts >everything into lots of tables to try and keep the DTP look. No, I gave up on Acorn user several years ago. It appears that I missed a rare article worth reading. I agree with your theory, but I have good reasons for wanting to generate HTML from OPro documents. >However, it does >a pretty good job of the conversion (tables apart), with good handling of >entities in more recent versions, and there is now the option to save without >tables. Good to see an independent recommendation. >However, the interface is most odd and it's not very easy to >configure. Hmm, well as long as it only needs sorting out once, I guess I could live with that. > >The problems you talked about with the demo version aren't likely to occur in >the full version, although I've not used it for very complex documents - I >use Zap and HTMLEdit myself. Yes, I use them myself (as well as Netscape, but that's another story). The point is, that I've already got the OPro documents, and I want to send previews for content to customers in Wintel readable form. I presently send things out as PostScript, but people don't like/are unable to use GhostView as a viewer. >Certainly, it won't force you to include a plug >for HTMLPro on your pages (although ISTR that it does default to this, you >can turn it off easily enough). Good :-) > >> > ISTR reading about a utility that converts PS output into PDF files. >> > Anyone remember what/where? Is that any good? >> >> There are 3 ways to generate PDF on RISC OS: >> Taborca >[snip] >> Ghostscript 5 [snip] The quality i got out of it was quite bad, need to >> look into that again. > >One big advantage of Taborca over Ghostscript is that its PDF files look good >on screen. As far as I'm aware there is no release version of Taborca yet available (?). >Both are very good quality when printed out, but GS PDFs look bad >on screen because it uses Type 3 PS fonts, which are bitmapped for on-screen >viewing. I guess they'd get viewed using Acrobat. Presumably the same caveat applies. >If you want long documents that look good on screen as well as when >printed, you have to use: > >> RiScriptPro > >But I've not used this yet. Anyone here seen any reviews, or even used it? > >HTH, Thanks John. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:58:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124693 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:58:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955907513:20:07900:26; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:51:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007855; 16 Apr 2000 17:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07008 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:35:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06988 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:35:24 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12gsx9-000HvH-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:35:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:10:07 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: HTMLPro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Steven M. Ottens writes >In message > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > >> ISTR reading about a utility that converts PS output into PDF files. >> Anyone remember what/where? Is that any good? > >There are 3 ways to generate PDF on RISC OS: >Taborca, free with RISC OS 4, you can print direct to pdf, but only the first >3 pages. >Ghostscript 5, free (port from the unix version), you print to postscript >then transform it to pdf using commandline commands. Not really fast and >needs lots of memory but it works almost always. The quality i got out of it >was quite bad, need to look into that again. >RiScriptPro, commercial from cerilica, is quite good although doesn't handle >every thing and ithas still some srtange quirks, but if it handles the >document, it does a good job easier to use then ghostscript and more options. > Thanks for that, Steven. The Taborca limitation is too severe to be useful for serious use. I've not tried RiScript, nor Ghostscript, but will check them out. I'd prefer to go the HTML way, but I guess I could try persuading customers to use PDF. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:58:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124694 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:58:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955908268:10:09781:17; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:04:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009732; 16 Apr 2000 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07011 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:35:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06994 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:35:25 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12gsx9-000HvJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:35:24 +0000 Message-ID: <2NPUrOAEnf+4Ew+U@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:35:00 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: HTMLPro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Ren H Turner writes >On Sat 15 Apr, Tony van der Hoff wrote: >> >> Has anyone here got experience of the full version of Levens' HTMLPro? I >> downloaded the demo, and was severely disappointed. >> > Hi Tony.. I have been using their Web Authoring tools for a Number of > years now.. and can only say that i am very Satisfied.. > > Though by no means an expert, I feel quite proud of the results > produced by it on my Head Injury NZ web site ;-)) > Thanks for that Rene. Your site certainly looks impressive (although too much flashing for my taste ;-). I note it was created using HTMLEdit, is that one of theirs? Although useful to know they turn out good web authoring tools, my specific interest is in HTMLPro, as I already have the OPro documents which I want to publish. Thanks again for the info, -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:58:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124696 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:58:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955909082:20:25147:53; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:18:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025086; 16 Apr 2000 18:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07012 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:35:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06987 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:35:24 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12gsx8-000C3f-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:35:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:04:15 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: HTMLPro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA06992 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB07012 In message , OvationPro Mail writes >On Sat 15 Apr, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > >> Only the first story (the title) in my document came out, and was not = in >> the same place on the page as the original. Ligatures were represented >> as '?'. He'd stuck his advertising at the bottom of the page. This doe= s >> not bode well for the full version. > >Was the document saved as a DDL, or was just the text story saved as a >DDL? Text stories don't include frame definitions and as such HTMLPro >doesn't attempt to place any that aren't there. > No, it was the entire document. HTMLPro ignored everything but the first frame. >The entity conversion problem doesn't appear in the demo version I have, >but I have suddenly found that frame vertical alignment is ignored (and >thus defaults to centre in most browsers). This is fixed and I have >uploaded a new copy of the demo. > >Also, the demo version only converts the first page. This should've >been in the documentation. > Ah, I appreciate why you are limiting the demo, but maybe you're going a bit over the top? With the present (lack of) functionality it's hardly worth bothering with it.=20 > >> Can anyone *really* recommend the full version, and what are it's >> limitations? I know it's only 30 quid; I'd be prepared to pay double f= or >> something that does the job properly. > >It was originally priced at =A349.95 for the single user copy, and we ha= d >some great plans for it. Sadly too many people thought that it was >overpriced and so a lot of 'planned' features got dropped from the >release version, such as text flow (which we are seriously looking at >now). If more people had been interested in it, we would have >spent a _lot_ more time on development prior to its official >release. > It was overpriced, so you *dropped* features? Perhaps I've mis- understood. I don't want to teach granny to suck eggs, but I guess it's chicken-and-egg. You'll have to offer something decent before people get interested. You seem to want the interest before offering the goodies. I really meant what I said about paying more, but I wouldn't even part with a tenner on the basis of what I've seen. You're really not doing yourself any favours. > >I am still toying with the idea of increasing the number of features >dramatically. Javascript rollovers are to be included in the next >version with CSS support following soon after. I am altering the front >end of the software also to make it a lot easier to use. > >It is by no means going to stay where it is at the minute (it will be >more than just a HTML convertor for OvationPro), but I won't say any >more. > My main objective is to be able to distribute documents prepared using OPro to non-acorn clients in machine-readable form, primarily as a preview (on contents) to the printed version. I've been using PostScript, but people aren't too keen on that, because they'd have to get GhostView, and that doesn't come with Win9x. Acrobat PDF is slightly more acceptable, but basically has the same drawback. They've all got Explorer though. A secondary objective is to provide my documentation on my web site, for clients to view remotely.=20 The only feature that I'd consider mandatory, is that the HTML document should look as nearly as possible the same as the original. I go to some trouble laying it out, and want to retain that. That would include text frames, text layout, diagrams, and pictures. To me, all this would be worth a lot more than even your 49.95, but I can see that not everyone needs these features. > >Please, if you have already downloaded the HTMLPro demo, and you are >unhappy with its output, send me an email with the original OvationPro >file attached (not too large please) and I shall try to find out what >the problem is. OK, Benji, thanks for the offer. I would like to send you a document representing the typical sort of thing I turn out. If you can produce a HTML version of that, without changing the source, which I consider to be acceptable for distribution to my customers, then you've secured my 30 quid. And if you produce upgrades with features that I consider useful, then I'll happily pay for those upgrades. What's your email address? --=20 Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:58:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124706 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:58:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955922109:10:21159:17; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:55:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126941; 16 Apr 2000 21:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08206 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:25:33 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08201 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:25:31 +0100 Received: from modem-184.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.184] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12gwXq-0007xj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:25:30 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:25:21 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: HTMLPro Message-ID: References: <9fa7caaf49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message <9fa7caaf49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, John Pettigrew > writes > >In a previous posting, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > > >> In message > >> Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Hmm, well as long as it only needs sorting out once, I guess I could > live with that. > > > >The problems you talked about with the demo version aren't likely to occur in > >the full version, although I've not used it for very complex documents - I > >use Zap and HTMLEdit myself. > > Yes, I use them myself (as well as Netscape, but that's another story). > The point is, that I've already got the OPro documents, and I want to > send previews for content to customers in Wintel readable form. > I presently send things out as PostScript, but people don't like/are > unable to use GhostView as a viewer. > I've tried the early commercial version. It had one significant restriction. I don't know whether it is a restriction in the current version. It couldn't handle overlapping frames. Pretty well everything I would want to produce uses overlapping frames, e.g a picture with text flowing round it. To do that, and output with HTMLPro, would require a new linked frame on each side of the picture where text was wanted. If you want an accurate rendition of the appearance of the document my recommendation would be to use PDF. I have used Taborca to output pages for PC users, and it seems to work. I haven't tried working round the 3-page restriction, and I haven't tried Riscript Pro. > > Thanks John. > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:58:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124711 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:58:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955921822:20:24812:20; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:50:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024738; 16 Apr 2000 21:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08242 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:32:51 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08237 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:32:49 +0100 Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12gweu-000HFu-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:32:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:31:56 +0100 Subject: Re: HTMLPro Message-ID: <49b054abc5mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > The only feature that I'd consider mandatory, is that the HTML document > should look as nearly as possible the same as the original. I go to some > trouble laying it out, and want to retain that. That would include text > frames, text layout, diagrams, and pictures. Sorry if I've missed your point, but : When I first started dabbling in HTML, I was astounded at the differences made to HTML documents by different set ups. The screen resolution, the browser and of course the individual's choice of browser settings, all conspired to make quite large changes to my carefully set out pages. (Constructed in HTMLedit, but that's not relevant!) Surely the best you can hope for is for the package turning your OPro document into HTML to make it look very close to how the original looks whilst both are on *your* screen. On the advice of one much wiser than I in these matters, I have long given up worrying too much about anything other than actual content. I now make sure my pages are readable on my machine (using Fresco/32000 colours/1024 x 768) and on friends or office PCs using Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator, at similar settings to mine and at 800 x 600 with 256 colours. Even with the similar screen settings, the results can be remarkably different - certainly as far as fonts and layout are concerned. -- Mick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:59:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124718 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:59:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955927962:20:27658:20; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:32:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027498; 16 Apr 2000 23:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08980 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:09:19 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08975 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:09:17 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.77] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12gyAn-0003au-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:09:49 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:01:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:02:08 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: HTMLPro Message-ID: <3ee5cb049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message , Steven M. Ottens > writes > >In message > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > > >> ISTR reading about a utility that converts PS output into PDF files. > >> Anyone remember what/where? Is that any good? > > > >There are 3 ways to generate PDF on RISC OS: > >Taborca, free with RISC OS 4, you can print direct to pdf, but only the first > >3 pages. > >Ghostscript 5, free (port from the unix version), you print to postscript > >then transform it to pdf using commandline commands. Not really fast and > >needs lots of memory but it works almost always. The quality i got out of it > >was quite bad, need to look into that again. > >RiScriptPro, commercial from cerilica, is quite good although doesn't handle > >every thing and ithas still some srtange quirks, but if it handles the > >document, it does a good job easier to use then ghostscript and more options. > > > Thanks for that, Steven. The Taborca limitation is too severe to be > useful for serious use. > > I've not tried RiScript, nor Ghostscript, but will check them out. I'd > prefer to go the HTML way, but I guess I could try persuading customers > to use PDF. Regardless of whether HTMLPro is good software or not, I think you are barking up the wrong tree in trying to use HTML to distribute OvPro documents. Unless your documents are very simple HTML conversion is not suitable for this purpose. PDF is the only way to go, and it can produce suberb results. No-one with a PC should object to installing the free Acrobat Reader - there is so much PDF stuff out there now that a reader has become a basic software utility. OvPro files convert very nicely to PDF - we have produced a number of commercial ebooks for clients - but sadly there seems to be no satisfactory RiscOS conversion tool yet. Yes, there are converters and readers which painfully do something (we have both RiScript & Ghostscript), but they are so far behind the standard on the PC in both speed and functionality that it is difficult recommend this route. We have found that the only thing to do is use Acrobat distiller on a Windows machine which is networked to the RiscPC. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:59:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124723 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:59:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955969145:10:10286:130; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:59:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016806; 17 Apr 2000 10:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11797 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:15:52 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11792 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:15:50 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust52.tnt11.rtm1.nl.uu.net [212.136.251.52] with SMTP for id MAA02735 (8.8.8/1.19); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:15:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003701bfa855$c0fa0300$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <3ee5cb049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Subject: Re: HTMLPro Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:13:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > In message , Steven M. Ottens > > writes > > >In message > > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > > > > > >> ISTR reading about a utility that converts PS output into PDF files. > > >> Anyone remember what/where? Is that any good? > > > > > >There are 3 ways to generate PDF on RISC OS: > > >Taborca > > >Ghostscript 5 > > >RiScriptPro, commercial from cerilica, is quite good although doesn't > > >handle every thing and ithas still some srtange quirks, but if it handles > > >the document, it does a good job easier to use then ghostscript and > > >more options. When you really insist on producing HTML pages, you can use RiScriptPro also another way by exporting the imported PS output as Draw files. Use eg EaywriterPro to convert these Drawfiles in HTML pages. > > Regardless of whether HTMLPro is good software or not, I think > you are barking up the wrong tree in trying to use HTML to > distribute OvPro documents. Unless your documents are very simple > HTML conversion is not suitable for this purpose. > > PDF is the only way to go, and it can produce suberb results. > No-one with a PC should object to installing the free Acrobat > Reader - there is so much PDF stuff out there now that a reader > has become a basic software utility. I agree with these remarks. And especially when it comes to text. It is a great benefit to make PS files on the RPC, because the "whole" font is embedded without modifications in naming or transforming to subsets, like you get on the PC. 'PDF files made by Acrobat Distiller from Risc OS produced PS files' can even be edited as text in the resulting CorelDRAW or Freehand file. When it comes to printing/display the quality depends on the presence of Type1s or Type3s in the PostScript files or the possibility to substitute/map the fonts. There is another way using PostScript print-to-file without using PDF. You can import (multipaged) PostScript printout -including text- directly in CorelDRAW9 as shapes without the need to convert text to shapes/paths on the Risc OS side. You don't need to worry about Type1 or Type3 font format in the PostScript file. The quality of text depends on the shapes and size of the typeface involved. Every page is imported as a vector file with a lot of objects, eg every word is an object. More or less the same happens when you make a PDF from PostScript in RiScript. When you really need HTML, you can 'publish to web' the document and finetune it. The result is a HTML page, 'exactly' looking as your document with all the objects as bitmaps eg gifs. With a lot of words, you can imagine there will be a lot of images. Or you can export in another format to import in another PC-program that can export as HTML etc. etc. etc. > OvPro files convert very nicely to PDF - we have produced a > number of commercial ebooks for clients - but sadly there seems > to be no satisfactory RiscOS conversion tool yet. Yes, there are > converters and readers which painfully do something (we have both > RiScript & Ghostscript), but they are so far behind the standard > on the PC in both speed and functionality that it is difficult > recommend this route. We have found that the only thing to do is > use Acrobat distiller on a Windows machine which is networked to > the RiscPC. It is a nice combination. Together with CorelDRAW9 and CorelXARA. It is also possible to have text as text in CorelDraw9 or Freehand8. The only thing you have to do is to make a (Acrobat) PDF out of the Risc OS PostScript file with Acrobat Distiller with the option embed all fonts on and substitute lower than 1 %. Perhaps these options are not necessary, I have not tried. AFAIK this can't be done with RiScriptPro, because there are no fonts embedded in the resulting PDF. This PDF can be imported in CorelDRAW9 and you get the opportunity to replace the fonts with the same or look-alike TrueTypes. This is true for embedded Type1s and Type3s. The latter have however "empty names". In Freehand you can only have embedded Type1s. As a result you can edit the file the same way as you can edit Draw files exported from RiScript Pro. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:59:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124730 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:59:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955969581:20:12702:20; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:06:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126231; 17 Apr 2000 11:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11884 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:27:22 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11879 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:27:20 +0100 Received: from mimosa.csv.warwick.ac.uk (phrvn@mimosa [137.205.192.34]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07593 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:27:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (phrvn@localhost) by mimosa.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28645 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:27:09 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: mimosa.csv.warwick.ac.uk: phrvn owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:27:09 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Kaijaks To: Ovation Pro Subject: New !StylePal v1.07 In-Reply-To: <003701bfa855$c0fa0300$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Just a quick note to announce an update to the !StylePal applet to v1.07. Roger Noble has not only spotted a bug but fixed it too, so thanks are due to him. The bug was that editing styles via the palette could cause a type 5 crash if there was no 'currently open view'. This occurs if you open a new doc, but don't actually click in the window before editing. The fixed version is available via my website at: http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/ Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 18:59:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124732 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 18:59:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955973367:20:25627:49; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:09:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113666; 17 Apr 2000 12:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12591 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:36:05 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12586 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:36:02 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12h9ow-000ByK-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:36:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:30:34 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: HTMLPro References: <3ee5cb049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3ee5cb049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3ee5cb049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol writes >Tony van der Hoff wrote: > >Regardless of whether HTMLPro is good software or not, I think >you are barking up the wrong tree in trying to use HTML to >distribute OvPro documents. Unless your documents are very simple >HTML conversion is not suitable for this purpose. > Thanks to everybody who gave that advice. I am coming round to the view that I need two distinct formats; one for web pages, and another for electronic distribution. >PDF is the only way to go, and it can produce suberb results. >No-one with a PC should object to installing the free Acrobat >Reader - there is so much PDF stuff out there now that a reader >has become a basic software utility. > Yep, I'd concur with that. I had hoped they'd not object to GhostScript, but I guess it's difficult to drive, and in any case, PostScript is not as widely recognised. >OvPro files convert very nicely to PDF - we have produced a >number of commercial ebooks for clients - but sadly there seems >to be no satisfactory RiscOS conversion tool yet. Yes, there are >converters and readers which painfully do something (we have both >RiScript & Ghostscript), but they are so far behind the standard >on the PC in both speed and functionality that it is difficult >recommend this route. We have found that the only thing to do is >use Acrobat distiller on a Windows machine which is networked to >the RiscPC. OK, that looks like the way to go, then. I don't see Distiller listed anywhere as a separate application; presumably it's part of the Acrobat 4.0 bundle? Thanks for your advice, David. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 19:40:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124755 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 19:40:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 955995448:20:17855:18; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:17:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107771; 17 Apr 2000 18:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14743 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:50:17 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14738 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:50:09 +0100 Received: from modem-32.berkelium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.68.32] helo=orchard-way) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12hFey-00037l-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:50:09 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:49:22 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: HTMLPro Message-ID: <6a21c4b049.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <3ee5cb049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > >recommend this route. We have found that the only thing to do is > >use Acrobat distiller on a Windows machine which is networked to > >the RiscPC. > > OK, that looks like the way to go, then. I don't see Distiller listed > anywhere as a separate application; presumably it's part of the Acrobat > 4.0 bundle? Acrobat comes in two flavours. The downloadable version is only the reader. The bought version is the writer, containing distiller, which does the creation. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 23:20:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124780 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 23:20:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956007031:10:05065:17; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:30:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125851; 17 Apr 2000 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15508 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:58:15 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15503 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:58:12 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.113] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12hIbV-0003qq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:58:45 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:45:30 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:46:32 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: HTMLPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6a21c4b049.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > >recommend this route. We have found that the only thing to do is > > >use Acrobat distiller on a Windows machine which is networked to > > >the RiscPC. > > > > OK, that looks like the way to go, then. I don't see Distiller listed > > anywhere as a separate application; presumably it's part of the Acrobat > > 4.0 bundle? > > Acrobat comes in two flavours. The downloadable version is only the reader. > The bought version is the writer, containing distiller, which does the > creation. The bought version contains Acrobat (used to be called Acrobat Exchange) which allows a degree of editing and manipulation of PDF files (including setting security options to prevent printing or copy/pasting); Distiller which eats postscript and spits out PDF, and Catalog which allows the indexing of large numbers of PDFs to facilitate searching. You can then spend a fortune if you want on 3rd party plug-ins to Acrobat - these are mainly of use in pre-press work. Acrobat 4 also allows you to grab web sites and turn the HTML into PDF on the fly. The current version is 4.05 Strangely, the PC version has been slightly ahead of the Mac in terms of development. Acrobat also exists for Unix, although there is doubt about Adobe's enthusiasm for future support for this platform (apart from the reader). There are PDF plug-ins for Netscape/MIE which allow a browser to view PDF page by page without downloading the whole document. Adobe wanted to position PDF as an alternative to HTML for web pages. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 17 23:20:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124783 for opro ; Mon, 17 Apr 100 23:20:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956008129:10:03001:17; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:48:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002960; 17 Apr 2000 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15640 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:21:54 +0100 Received: from spartha.spa.umn.edu (root@spartha.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14370 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:17:00 +0100 Received: from lanark.spa.umn.edu (allan@lanark.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.29]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27667 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:16:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from allan@localhost) by lanark.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00252 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:16:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:16:57 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: HTMLPro Message-ID: <20000417111656.D22541@lanark.spa.umn.edu> References: ; from mick@tab1.demon.co.uk on Sun, Apr 16, 2000 at 10:31:56PM +0100 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun, Apr 16, 2000 at 10:31:56PM +0100, Mick Burrell wrote: > In article , > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > The only feature that I'd consider mandatory, is that the HTML document > > should look as nearly as possible the same as the original. I go to some > > trouble laying it out, and want to retain that. That would include text > > frames, text layout, diagrams, and pictures. > > Sorry if I've missed your point, but : > > When I first started dabbling in HTML, I was astounded at the differences > made to HTML documents by different set ups. The screen resolution, the > browser and of course the individual's choice of browser settings, all > conspired to make quite large changes to my carefully set out pages. > (Constructed in HTMLedit, but that's not relevant!) I have to agree that I think any attempt to make an HTML doc look the same as a DTP doc with extensive layout is doomed. Even after making some of my web documents more "sophisticated" by specifying formatting via style sheets et al, they still look vastly different between, say, IE on Windows and Netscape on Unix or Mac, and need much tweaking to reach a reasonable compromise for all platforms. One "for example" is that Netscape and IE render fonts at very different sizes, which is going to immediately make consistent formatting rather difficult. G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-5040 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 19 23:01:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124953 for opro ; Wed, 19 Apr 100 23:01:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956181152:20:13427:22; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:52:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123037; 19 Apr 2000 21:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25814 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:12:50 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25809 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:12:45 +0100 Received: from usercj91.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.154.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12i1m7-0007FC-00; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:12:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:14:34 +0100 Subject: Embedded frame problem Message-ID: <49b1de96cbbob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49a862e303badger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If you:- 1 embed a frame which is almost the width of the master frame 2 change the master frame width to be smaller than that of the embedded frame then the embedded frame vanishes and leaves the overflow icon at the bottom and takes all subsequent text with it. Very worrying. Can we please have the option to crop the embedded frame automatically or at least warn the user it is going to happen and give the amount by which the master frame must be increased to allow the embedded frame to be seen. As it is I was tring to squeeze something in and had to keep geussing until the embedded frame reappeared. A related but bigger issue is creating an embedded frame the full width of the master frame. Try this:- 1 create a normal frame and snap it to the width of the master frame 2 delete it with control x 3 choose Embed Object from the Edit menu Result, embedded frame is (strangely) too wide and again vanishes off the bottom. Why is this? Can we embed a frame the full width of the master frame? Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 20 01:57:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA124954 for opro ; Thu, 20 Apr 100 01:57:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956183202:10:22318:17; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:26:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022240; 19 Apr 2000 22:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26075 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:01:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26063 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:01:33 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12i2XN-00059i-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:01:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:54:50 GMT Message-Id: <124951@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Embedded frame problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1 embed a frame which is almost the width of the master frame >2 change the master frame width to be smaller than that of the embedded frame >then the embedded frame vanishes and leaves the overflow icon at the bottom >and takes all subsequent text with it. Very worrying. But exactly as intended/expected. The same thing happens if you make a bit of text too big to fit in a frame. >Can we please have the option to crop the embedded frame automatically or at >least warn the user it is going to happen and give the amount by which the In general (one irregular frame in another) not an easy thing to do. >1 create a normal frame and snap it to the width of the master frame >2 delete it with control x >3 choose Embed Object from the Edit menu Problem is that by default frames have a 1mm inset so the simple approach is going to produce a frame 2mm too wide anyway. I do agree things could be improved in this area... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 21 14:06:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125012 for opro ; Fri, 21 Apr 100 14:06:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956307238:20:24176:52; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:53:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023859; 21 Apr 2000 8:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01196 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:31:52 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01191 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:31:39 +0100 Received: from modem-90.nevada.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.79.90] helo=jaycee) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12iYqg-0003E3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:31:39 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:20:50 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Fonts Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have produced some documents which use a font called Europe.Oblique. Since doing so I have renamed that font to Europe.Italic - I appreciate that oblique and italic are not the same thing but I prefer to call it that in uniformity with other fonts. When I load the document it obvioulsy now tells me that Europe.Oblique is not available and I select a 'permanent replacement'. I have then edited the style box (there is only one) to the correct font name and then resaved the document after checking all the text (there isn't a lot) is in the new font. However, on reloading again I have to go through the same rigmarole - having changed the style and done a permanent replacement why is it still asking for the 'old' font? Is there somewhere else I need to delete it as well. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 21 19:44:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125024 for opro ; Fri, 21 Apr 100 19:44:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956326909:10:12974:17; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:21:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012859; 21 Apr 2000 14:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02390 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:44:56 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02385 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:44:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 15525 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2000 13:47:53 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 2000 13:47:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4046 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2000 13:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.72.192) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 21 Apr 2000 13:42:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:07:36 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Fonts To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 21 Apr, John Charman wrote: > I have produced some documents which use a font called Europe.Oblique. > > Since doing so I have renamed that font to Europe.Italic - I appreciate that > oblique and italic are not the same thing but I prefer to call it that in > uniformity with other fonts. > > When I load the document it obvioulsy now tells me that Europe.Oblique is not > available and I select a 'permanent replacement'. I have then edited the style > box (there is only one) to the correct font name and then resaved the > document after checking all the text (there isn't a lot) is in the new font. > > However, on reloading again I have to go through the same rigmarole - having > changed the style and done a permanent replacement why is it still asking for > the 'old' font? Is there somewhere else I need to delete it as well. > > JayCee > Check *all* your styles. Also that no text has any local effects which are laid over the style. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 21 22:07:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125034 for opro ; Fri, 21 Apr 100 22:07:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956344362:10:18623:17; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:12:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018547; 21 Apr 2000 19:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03554 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:44:36 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03549 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:44:28 +0100 Received: from modem-93.maine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.70.93] helo=jaycee) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12iiPj-0007v7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:44:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:50:59 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <849fd3b249.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > In on Fri 21 Apr, John Charman wrote: > > I have produced some documents which use a font called Europe.Oblique. > > > > Since doing so I have renamed that font to Europe.Italic - I appreciate that > > oblique and italic are not the same thing but I prefer to call it that in > > uniformity with other fonts. > > > > When I load the document it obvioulsy now tells me that Europe.Oblique is not > > available and I select a 'permanent replacement'. I have then edited the style > > box (there is only one) to the correct font name and then resaved the > > document after checking all the text (there isn't a lot) is in the new font. > > > > However, on reloading again I have to go through the same rigmarole - having > > changed the style and done a permanent replacement why is it still asking for > > the 'old' font? Is there somewhere else I need to delete it as well. > > > > JayCee > > > > Check *all* your styles. Also that no text has any local effects which are laid over the style. > > Anthony Hilton > I have only one 'Bodytext' style and a grand total of 45 words in the document - I have checked them all carefully and they all say they are 'Europe.Italic but after saving they seem to change back somehow. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 22 01:35:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125050 for opro ; Sat, 22 Apr 100 01:35:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956354679:10:23987:17; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:04:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116981; 21 Apr 2000 22:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04386 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:43:34 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04381 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:43:31 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.71] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12ilBt-0004QM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:42:21 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:35:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:36:59 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <6950e8b249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <849fd3b249.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Charman wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > In on Fri 21 Apr, John Charman wrote: > > > I have produced some documents which use a font called Europe.Oblique. > > > > > > Since doing so I have renamed that font to Europe.Italic - I appreciate that > > > oblique and italic are not the same thing but I prefer to call it that in > > > uniformity with other fonts. > > > > > > When I load the document it obvioulsy now tells me that Europe.Oblique is not > > > available and I select a 'permanent replacement'. I have then edited the style > > > box (there is only one) to the correct font name and then resaved the > > > document after checking all the text (there isn't a lot) is in the new font. > > > > > > However, on reloading again I have to go through the same rigmarole - having > > > changed the style and done a permanent replacement why is it still asking for > > > the 'old' font? Is there somewhere else I need to delete it as well. > > > > > > JayCee > > > > > > > Check *all* your styles. Also that no text has any local effects which are laid over the style. > > > > Anthony Hilton > > > I have only one 'Bodytext' style and a grand total of 45 words in the > document - I have checked them all carefully and they all say they are > 'Europe.Italic but after saving they seem to change back somehow. > 1) How exactly have you renamed the fonts? 2) Have you tried saving out as DDL to see what fonts and styles are specified in the document? This sometimes helps track down anomalies. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 22 01:35:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125054 for opro ; Sat, 22 Apr 100 01:35:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956359567:10:27078:17; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:26:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104948; 21 Apr 2000 23:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04796 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:07:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA04791 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:07:47 +0100 Received: from userbn84.uk.uudial.com (62.188.145.135) [62.188.145.135] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12imWX-0006GI-00; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:07:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: Ovation Pro ctrb Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:54:05 +0100 Subject: 'Highlighting' text Message-ID: <49b2ef5f11badger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Is there a simple way of 'highlighting' a block of text (i.e. changing the background colour) other than 'Reverse' text? I have resorted to drawing a box over the block, setting a fill colour and sending it behind the text box, but this makes for complications when the relevant text block is moved! Thanks for any advice, -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 22 03:03:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125063 for opro ; Sat, 22 Apr 100 03:03:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956364803:10:27986:16; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:53:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123342; 22 Apr 2000 0:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05241 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 01:35:48 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05229 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 01:35:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12intf-000Ifp-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:35:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:52:21 GMT Message-Id: <125048@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have only one 'Bodytext' style and a grand total of 45 words in the >document - I have checked them all carefully and they all say they are >'Europe.Italic but after saving they seem to change back somehow. Can be two things, first the font references may be more subtle than you bargain for - text left in the undo buffer or whatever. Or a bug, where OPro has lost count of font references. Save as DDL (hack out the font references if present), reload. Quite a bit of discussion of this topic in the past... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 22 13:16:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125066 for opro ; Sat, 22 Apr 100 13:16:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956370042:10:08742:16; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:20:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008620; 22 Apr 2000 2:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05678 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:04:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05666 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:04:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ipHH-0008G8-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:04:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 01:37:01 GMT Message-Id: <125056@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 'Highlighting' text X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a simple way of 'highlighting' a block of text (i.e. changing >the background colour) Well you could try just changing the text background colour... F6 (Modify text) -> background colour What it does is correct, but it would be nice to have another option like some wp's of producing a filled background block, rather than just filling the area of the text. A useful technique may be to embed a text frame in the text, if you want a solid filled background for some text. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 22 13:16:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125073 for opro ; Sat, 22 Apr 100 13:16:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956394349:10:22161:16; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:05:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109518; 22 Apr 2000 9:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07117 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:45:45 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07112 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:45:38 +0100 Received: from modem-29.louisiana.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.69.29] helo=jaycee) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12ivXi-0000ED-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:45:36 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 07:17:11 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <906e1db349.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <125048@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <125048@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <125048@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >I have only one 'Bodytext' style and a grand total of 45 words in the > >document - I have checked them all carefully and they all say they are > >'Europe.Italic but after saving they seem to change back somehow. > > Can be two things, first the font references may be more subtle than > you bargain for - text left in the undo buffer or whatever. > > Or a bug, where OPro has lost count of font references. Save as DDL > (hack out the font references if present), reload. > > Quite a bit of discussion of this topic in the past... > > > > David Pilling > I saved the file as DDL and looked at it and yes there was a reference to the offending font, it didn't occur anywhere else in the document just as a numbered font. Deleting that has solved the problem - I just have to do it with the other 21 files now! I would just comment that I would not expect to have to hack around the 'header information' in a professional product to achieve what should have been an automatic effect but I guess I have learnt something anyway!! I would also like to thank everybody who responded and helped me to solve the problem. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 25 18:35:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125106 for opro ; Tue, 25 Apr 100 18:35:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956421793:20:23040:20; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:43:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022797; 22 Apr 2000 16:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08834 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:26:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08829 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:26:14 +0100 Received: from userbm83.uk.uudial.com (62.188.145.35) [62.188.145.35] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12j2jV-00055w-00; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:26:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:16:34 +0100 Subject: Re: HTMLPro Message-ID: <49b2f16e58ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , [snip] > Taborca, free with RISC OS 4 .... I've just been asked to supply a single page poster to my PeeCee colleagues. In the past I have always supplied the printed version. So having upgraded RiscOS 4 a few months ago, I went to dig out Taborca to see if this would assist, as I have no experience of creating PDF, RTF or anything else like this from OVPro. But after spending the last 15 minutes searching the RiscOS 4 CD, I have come up blank. I must be missing something here, as usual. Can anyone point me in the right direction, please? Many thanks. *** Ken *** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 25 18:35:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125105 for opro ; Tue, 25 Apr 100 18:35:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956423068:10:10869:16; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:04:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115379; 22 Apr 2000 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08978 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:46:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08973 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:46:03 +0100 Received: from userk554.uk.uudial.com (193.149.70.130) [193.149.70.130] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12j32g-0006W3-00; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:46:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:41:27 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: HTMLPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Try www.riscos.com - it's on there somewhere... I think they meant it only works with RO4! -- -------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Worksop, Nottinghamshire Very near the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! -------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 25 18:35:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125112 for opro ; Tue, 25 Apr 100 18:35:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956437280:20:25423:16; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:01:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025153; 22 Apr 2000 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10011 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:43:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10006 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:43:53 +0100 Received: from userad20.uk.uudial.com (62.188.131.63) [62.188.131.63] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12j6kq-0000cD-00; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:43:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:43:49 +0100 Subject: Re: HTMLPro Message-ID: <49b367482dken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Andy's Progs wrote: > Try www.riscos.com - it's on there somewhere... I think they meant it only > works with RO4! Thanks to Andy and Nick (via private email) who have put me straight. I have just downloaded it Okay. However, a warning from Nick has suggested I might have trouble getting it to work :-( As I have (obviously) never used it before, anyone any suggestions, hints and/or tips for a newbie? Thanks again. *** Ken *** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 25 18:36:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125115 for opro ; Tue, 25 Apr 100 18:36:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956440742:20:23773:17; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:59:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121583; 22 Apr 2000 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10304 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:41:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10299 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:41:38 +0100 Received: from userep35.uk.uudial.com (userep35) [62.188.15.132] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12j7ei-00030V-00; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:41:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:35:07 +0100 Subject: Re: HTMLPro Message-ID: <49b35b7fc9rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b2f16e58ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b2f16e58ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b2f16e58ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk>, Ken wrote: > In article , > [snip] > > Taborca, free with RISC OS 4 .... > I've just been asked to supply a single page poster to my PeeCee > colleagues. In the past I have always supplied the printed version. > So having upgraded RiscOS 4 a few months ago, I went to dig out Taborca > to see if this would assist, as I have no experience of creating PDF, > RTF or anything else like this from OVPro. > But after spending the last 15 minutes searching the RiscOS 4 CD, I > have come up blank. I must be missing something here, as usual. Can > anyone point me in the right direction, please? It didn't make the CD, but it's available for download from the RISCOS Ltd web site - downloads section. BTW, you don't get what was advertised - it's a crippled version which only does 3 pages, and it isn't being developed further. The idea is now that you have to fork out for RiscScript Pro ;-( Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 25 18:36:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125116 for opro ; Tue, 25 Apr 100 18:36:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956480264:10:04034:16; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:57:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003937; 23 Apr 2000 8:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12965 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:40:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12960 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:40:11 +0100 Received: from usereb76.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.57] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12jHw2-0001GR-00; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:40:10 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:22:36 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: 'Highlighting' text To: User Mailings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 22 Apr, Ian R. Platt wrote: > On Sat 22 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >Is there a simple way of 'highlighting' a block of text (i.e. > changing > > >the background colour) > > > > Well you could try just changing the text background colour... > > F6 (Modify text) -> background colour > > > > What it does is correct, but it would be nice to have another option > > like some wp's of producing a filled background block, rather than > > just filling the area of the text. > > > > A useful technique may be to embed a text frame in the text, if you > > want a solid filled background for some text. > > > > > > David Pilling > > Of course, I could be wrong - again - but I think/hope what we're > talking about here would be a way to highlight, as with a marker pen. > > This is great for pointing out areas in students' work that they need > to think about again. What David suggests in such cases is way too > time consuming for the teacher: we really need to be able to just > 'wipe' the text with a new colour. More than one colour should be > available, too - different colours code for different writing > problems. > On paper it isn't possible to change the colour of the text satifactorily, that is why the highlighter pens were introduced. However, it is simple to change the text colour on computer, even down to a single character, so what is the problem. Why spend time doing something which is unecessary ? -- brooke@argonet.co.uk - please note new address. RISC OS Foundation Member - 0052 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 25 18:36:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125117 for opro ; Tue, 25 Apr 100 18:36:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956451456:20:22182:16; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:57:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114207; 23 Apr 2000 0:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11107 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:41:08 +0100 Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11102 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:41:05 +0100 Received: from platt.gol.com (tc-1-2-105.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.105]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A8ED315784 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:40:50 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:38:59 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: 'Highlighting' text To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <125056@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 22 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > >Is there a simple way of 'highlighting' a block of text (i.e. changing > >the background colour) > > Well you could try just changing the text background colour... > F6 (Modify text) -> background colour > > What it does is correct, but it would be nice to have another option > like some wp's of producing a filled background block, rather than > just filling the area of the text. > > A useful technique may be to embed a text frame in the text, if you > want a solid filled background for some text. > > > David Pilling Of course, I could be wrong - again - but I think/hope what we're talking about here would be a way to highlight, as with a marker pen. This is great for pointing out areas in students' work that they need to think about again. What David suggests in such cases is way too time consuming for the teacher: we really need to be able to just 'wipe' the text with a new colour. More than one colour should be available, too - different colours code for different writing problems. If we could import MS-Wurd files & _then_ do this, I'm a happy pig in whatsit. :-) (Hands up who said 'Flying'!) Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com RISC OS 4 and StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 25 18:36:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125121 for opro ; Tue, 25 Apr 100 18:36:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956478997:20:02871:17; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:36:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002036; 23 Apr 2000 8:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12818 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:18:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12813 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:18:31 +0100 Received: from useras26.uk.uudial.com (62.188.137.30) [62.188.137.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12jHb3-0007jJ-00; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:18:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:38:27 +0100 Subject: Re: 'Highlighting' text Message-ID: <49b34b5321badger.set@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <125056@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <125056@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 22 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > Well you could try just changing the text background colour... > F6 (Modify text) -> background colour Thanks David. This works in most of the situations I need it for, and the others I can live with using frames! Cheers -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 25 18:36:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125125 for opro ; Tue, 25 Apr 100 18:36:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 956504178:10:13196:16; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 15:36:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113332; 23 Apr 2000 15:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14749 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:16:26 +0100 Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14744 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:16:24 +0100 Received: from localhost (userah66.uk.uudial.com [62.188.132.251]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BC0A451E for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:16:14 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roy K.Gillard" To: User Mailings Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 15:01:54 +0100 Subject: Re: 'Highlighting' text Message-ID: <49b3c6521croy.matra@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: > > On paper it isn't possible to change the colour of the text > > satifactorily, that is why the highlighter pens were introduced. > > However, it is simple to change the text colour on computer, even down > > to a single character, so what is the problem. Why spend time doing > > something which is unecessary? > 1/ Mark text start > 2/ Mark text end > 3/ > 4/ Go down to Text > 5/ Slide to right > 6/ Go down to Colour > 7/ colour > 9/ 8/ OK That's _nine_ steps for each item, JWBG! (Obviously not someone who marks text essays!) It's a pain. I know there are ways it could be set up (Keystroke etc.) but then as I noted, we need different colours for different kinds of errors. The nice thing (singular) about MS Wurd is you can wipe a _colour_ over the text to highlight it, in a _single_