From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 03:40:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121013 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 03:40:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951873893:11:12453:17; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:24:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111709; 1 Mar 2000 1:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15576 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:01:26 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15571 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:01:24 GMT Received: from fadec.demon.co.uk ([158.152.218.168]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12PxVz-0005Ej-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:01:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:46:20 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Bob Dawes Subject: Re: You Were Right !!! References: <200002290522.FAA12784@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200002290522.FAA12784@omega.barnet.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How did this mail shot get into my mail box. Would those responsible please ensure that this was only a one off. Regards Bob Dawes In message <200002290522.FAA12784@omega.barnet.ac.uk>, markthesecond@force9.net writes > >Andy, > >You're right!! You CAN get free flights to New York.. > >I'm going to New York in April for 5 nights , and the flight >cost me NOTHING!!! Saved me 150 return...and I got a free mobile phone. > >You can find the file you need at > >http://news.callnetuk.com/dnewsweb.exe?cmd=article&group=free.news&item=12&utag= >markthesecond+ > >http://news.callnetuk.com/dnewsweb.exe?cmd=article&group=alt.travel&item=5544&ut >ag=markthesecond+ > >I've put more details for everyone in our newsgroups. > >news:free.news >news:free.uk.holidays >news:alt.travel.uk.air > >See ya there!!! > >Mark the second... ;-) > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- Bob Dawes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 13:02:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121014 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 13:02:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951904151:20:11783:20; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:49:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106033; 1 Mar 2000 9:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16644 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:15:55 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16639 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:15:54 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id KAA1539964; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:15:53 +0100 (CET) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:13:46 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Keith Goodier wrote: > On Tue 29 Feb 2000 (17:54:21), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >Once again we've been spammed. I'd guess by the same system > >as before 'bryntech' featured in the headers again, and I > >got dozens of postings to different addresses @ pilling.demon.co.uk. > > > >The obvious way to stop this is to limit postings to the list to > >members. > > I was under the impression that this was how the list was actually > intended to work. Hence I'd be very happy if you limited postings > as you describe. I second that! -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 15:07:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121044 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 15:07:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951921725:20:17230:18; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:42:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103942; 1 Mar 2000 14:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17434 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:44:31 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17429 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:44:29 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21952 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:44:21 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id NAA29930 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:46:33 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256895.004B3E98.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:47:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <120956@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Once again we've been spammed. I'd guess by the same system > as before 'bryntech' featured in the headers again, and I > got dozens of postings to different addresses @ pilling.demon.co.uk. > The obvious way to stop this is to limit postings to the list to > members. > Unless there is widespread opposition to this change, > that's what I will do. I have no problem with this, but it may also be worth looking at other anti-spamming facilities. Other majordomo driven lists I subscribe to are open, but automatically reject posts from sources identified as being spammers. The NT-emacs list being a good example of this. Only very rarely does the list distribute any spam and when it does it very quickly stops. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 15:07:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121045 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 15:07:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951918216:10:19781:36; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:43:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103254; 1 Mar 2000 13:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17102 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:30:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17097 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:30:52 GMT Received: from userew45.uk.uudial.com (62.188.18.73) [62.188.18.73] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Q8HC-0007ch-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:30:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:01:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers Message-ID: <49986ffcfarichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <120956@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <120956@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <120956@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Once again we've been spammed. I'd guess by the same system > as before 'bryntech' featured in the headers again, and I > got dozens of postings to different addresses @ pilling.demon.co.uk. > The obvious way to stop this is to limit postings to the list to > members. > Unless there is widespread opposition to this change, > that's what I will do. I think that's a good idea. I run several lists via Pluto, which has a manual mode. This allows me to view each email and answer it myself before circulation. Spams get !JunkMail-ed But if I was running an automatic list, I'd want spam-rejection and the only way is to bar posting by non-members. It's likely only to be a problem to people who haven't properly re-signed when changing email address. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 15:07:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121048 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 15:07:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951922829:20:22164:19; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:00:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021835; 1 Mar 2000 15:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17534 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:08:47 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17529 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:08:46 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Q9nx-00038M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:08:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:08:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Vertical justification in multicolumn frames Message-ID: <49987ba766C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I sometimes make use of the vertical justification facility to make dual (or more) column frames a little neater. I find the vertical justification breaks down if, for example, one of the columns has an additional overlying frame (either image or text). The column containing the additional frame is not vertically justified, while the other column is. In some cases, if the overlying frame is exactly the same width as the frame containing the two, or more, columns, then vertical justification seems to work ok, but only if it is at the top of the underlying frame. Am I expecting too much? (Currently on OP 2.58) Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 17:47:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121060 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 17:47:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951932765:10:27342:296; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:46:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103089; 1 Mar 2000 16:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17938 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:07:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17933 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:07:12 GMT Received: from userfa15.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.185) [62.188.19.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12QBeY-0002ER-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:07:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:26:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: You Were Right !!! Message-ID: <49986cc3e0richto@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <200002290522.FAA12784@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Bob Dawes wrote: > How did this mail shot get into my mail box. > Would those responsible please ensure that this was only a one off. > Regards > Bob Dawes Yes, Bob, it was "spammed" to the maillist, so got into everybodies' mail boxes! I am so grateful that you decided to repeat it so we all get a second chance to read it! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers | 01736 757941 | Posting from a | | richto@argonet.co.uk | St. Erth, Cornwall | Wintel-free zone | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 18:39:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121072 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 18:39:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951934515:20:21971:24; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:15:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020545; 1 Mar 2000 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18271 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18264 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QDFY-000B1s-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:16:44 GMT Message-Id: <121051@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Vertical justification in multicolumn frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I find the vertical justification breaks down if, for example, >one of the columns has an additional overlying frame (either >image or text). The column containing the additional frame is >not vertically justified, while the other column is. This is as expected. Vertical justification only works on rectangular areas of text flow. I made this limitation because I believe there is no non-recursive algorithm for vertical justification in an irregular area. That would mean each text change in a frame would cause the entire text in the frame to be reflowed many times. I suppose some would say that would be preferable to not being able to use the feature at all. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 21:03:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121094 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 21:03:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951940690:20:26921:17; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:58:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026844; 1 Mar 2000 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18547 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:26:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18257 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QDFW-000B1s-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:09:41 GMT Message-Id: <121049@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Other majordomo driven lists I subscribe to are open, but automatically >reject posts from sources identified as being spammers. I wonder how they detect them? Majordomo does have a list of words which will make it send messages to me for approval - e.g. s u b s c r i b e because thats the main source of irritating postings. So maybe we could add "amazing free offer" or "we always remove names from our list on request" to the kill file. Anyway postings to the list are now restricted to members. End of discussion, until someone writes a spam program that can join lists. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 03:11:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121120 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 03:11:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951963635:20:25714:23; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 02:20:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108082; 2 Mar 2000 2:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19463 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:36:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19458 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:36:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QKXH-000FCB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:36:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:06:07 GMT Message-Id: <121114@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboards applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > The clipboards _always_ migrate to behind the document on changing the > clipboard via the applet View button. Pressing the back Icon on the > OvPro page brings the clipboard to the front, but on clicking the View > button on the Clipboards applet control panel, the next desired > clipboard is again behind the OvPro page. Thanks to a bit more input from Dave Symes, I now know the cause of this problem and I'll fix it in the next release. Seemingly this happens if your clipboard has rulers on view. Similarly if you copy to the clipboard whilst it is on view it will go to the back. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 13:53:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121127 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:53:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951990072:10:03855:19; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 09:41:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003773; 2 Mar 2000 9:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20389 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:17 GMT Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.254.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20382 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:13 GMT Received: from in-58.static.port.ac.uk (in-58.static.port.ac.uk [148.197.1.58]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA29731 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:13 GMT Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (148.197.254.14) by as08.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46) with ESMTP; 2 Mar 00 08:23:24 GMT0BST Received: from jay.ee.port.ac.uk (root@jay.ee.port.ac.uk [148.197.27.64]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA26627 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:21:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk (root@omega.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.3]) by jay.ee.port.ac.uk (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16312 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20154 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:06 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20149 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 GMT Received: from [213.1.173.48] (helo=clive.holland.btinternet.com) by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12QQNx-0004r7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Clive Holland To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:49:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP 2.58 guide lines Message-ID: <4998dcbeb8Clive.Holland@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-maillist: ovationpro Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >There seems to be a problem with displaying guidelines whilst dragging > >in OP 2.58. > Yes, with cross hairs selected, horizontal guide lines don't drag > properly. > I have fixed it. So does this fix appear on the latest download of OP 2.58 or do we wait for the next version? Thanks -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 13:53:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121130 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:53:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951985324:20:18774:24; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:22:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017004; 2 Mar 2000 8:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20154 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:06 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20149 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 GMT Received: from [213.1.173.48] (helo=clive.holland.btinternet.com) by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12QQNx-0004r7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Clive Holland To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:49:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP 2.58 guide lines Message-ID: <4998dcbeb8Clive.Holland@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >There seems to be a problem with displaying guidelines whilst dragging > >in OP 2.58. > Yes, with cross hairs selected, horizontal guide lines don't drag > properly. > I have fixed it. So does this fix appear on the latest download of OP 2.58 or do we wait for the next version? Thanks -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 13:53:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121141 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:53:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951990068:20:24317:73; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 09:41:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024562; 2 Mar 2000 9:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20387 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:15 GMT Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.254.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20377 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:12 GMT Received: from in-58.static.port.ac.uk (in-58.static.port.ac.uk [148.197.1.58]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA29778 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:11 GMT Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (148.197.254.14) by as08.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46) with ESMTP; 2 Mar 00 08:23:24 GMT0BST Received: from jay.ee.port.ac.uk (root@jay.ee.port.ac.uk [148.197.27.64]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA26627 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:21:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk (root@omega.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.3]) by jay.ee.port.ac.uk (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16312 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20154 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:06 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20149 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 GMT Received: from [213.1.173.48] (helo=clive.holland.btinternet.com) by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12QQNx-0004r7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Clive Holland To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:49:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP 2.58 guide lines Message-ID: <4998dcbeb8Clive.Holland@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-maillist: ovationpro Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >There seems to be a problem with displaying guidelines whilst dragging > >in OP 2.58. > Yes, with cross hairs selected, horizontal guide lines don't drag > properly. > I have fixed it. So does this fix appear on the latest download of OP 2.58 or do we wait for the next version? Thanks -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From charlton@argonet.co.uk Thu Mar 2 13:54:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121146 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:54:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951992936:20:24464:1; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:28:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024070; 2 Mar 2000 10:28 GMT Received: from usern309.uk.uudial.com (193.149.84.88) [193.149.84.88] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12QSqL-0000d1-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:28:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:26:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: 258 corrupted. Message-ID: <4998eb2d05charlton@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R David, My HardDisc containing Ovation Pro has developed numerous address and sector faults and is therefore being scrapped. I moved OvationPro plus all my back-ups to a SCSI Harddisc and checked the bytes they seem equal, but the SCSI transferred Primary copy will not run saying "it was not installed on this location and please drag the original to the !install window". So I did a full upgrade from a back-up of version 2.52 also copied across to the SCSI disc. Sadly after installation I got message Upgrade was successful rebooted and loaded upgraded version of 2.58 only to get the same quoted error. Do I have to go back to Floppy disc installation of v2.46 (this time on the SCSI disc) first dragging the transferred copy to the v246 installation window and then do a v246 to v258 upgrade on to this version on the SCSI disc to reactivate Ovation ops.on the SCSI disc? Remembering of course to save and reload later dictionary and additional applets which are installed in old version of 2.58. I have read the manual and notes but cannot see an equivalent of this situation in the instructions... so its probably supposed not to exist. Odds on you'll say yes!:-( But thought better check with _the expert_ before making this catastrophe even worse...?:-@ Thanks in anticipation, Bob From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 13:54:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121148 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:54:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952001207:20:00332:21; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:46:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000155; 2 Mar 2000 12:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20964 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:20:22 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20959 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:20:20 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QUaU-0008Ez-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:20:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:20:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Offtopic : system date Message-ID: <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry for being totally off topic, but I have just realised that both my RiscPCs here are displaying Thursday March 2nd 2000 in any time/date application such as Alarm, Organizer, and of course ctrl-D in OPro tells me it is currently 2nd March. Running ROS4.02 with latest patch. Am I the only one with such a problem? Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 13:54:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121152 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:54:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952002531:20:12135:74; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:08:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011716; 2 Mar 2000 13:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20994 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:23:54 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20989 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:23:52 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QUdy-0008Nj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:23:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:24:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Offtopic : system date Message-ID: <4998f5e42fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Mar, C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: > Sorry for being totally off topic, but I have just realised that > both my RiscPCs here are displaying > Thursday March 2nd 2000 > in any time/date application such as Alarm, Organizer, and of > course ctrl-D in OPro tells me it is currently 2nd March. > Running ROS4.02 with latest patch. > Am I the only one with such a problem? > Chris Total egg on face - please disregard - it is my PC running colleague who just convinced me it was Thursday 3rd!!! Its his clock that is wrong! What can I say - its been a hard term. Sorry folks. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 15:56:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121179 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 15:56:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952009484:10:06415:21; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:04:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006333; 2 Mar 2000 15:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21451 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21446 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:21 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QWl4-000Min-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:28:49 GMT Message-Id: <121171@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.58 guide lines X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Yes, with cross hairs selected, horizontal guide lines don't drag >> properly. >> I have fixed it. >So does this fix appear on the latest download of OP 2.58 or do we wait >for the next version? You wait... for 2.59. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 15:56:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121181 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 15:56:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952009881:10:15488:28; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:11:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1014534; 2 Mar 2000 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21441 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:02 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20949 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:20:05 GMT Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12QUaK-0003xc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:20:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 17763 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2000 12:20:25 -0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk (143.210.40.54) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 12:20:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:20:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <121049@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Space Research Centre, University of Leicester, UK X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 01 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > >Other majordomo driven lists I subscribe to are open, but automatically > >reject posts from sources identified as being spammers. > > I wonder how they detect them? Majordomo does have a list of words > which will make it send messages to me for approval - e.g. s u b s c r i > b e because thats the main source of irritating postings. I imagine they use the Realtime Blackhole List, which is a variation of DNS that allows you see if a given address (the domain part, not the whole e-mail address) is known to be a spam-originator. Details are at http://maps.vix.com/ -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 15:56:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121184 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 15:56:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952009945:10:17406:19; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:12:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127616; 2 Mar 2000 15:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21444 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20354 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:04:19 GMT Received: from usergu60.uk.uudial.com (62.188.1.212) [62.188.1.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12QRWq-0005QV-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:04:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:32:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Duotones revisited Message-ID: <4998e0a955colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200002181831.SAA05430@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <200002181831.SAA05430@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 18 Feb, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > colours, and the top one set to overprint (but how would OvnPro > cope with that?). In effect that enables you to do manually what > Photoshop does automatically. > Mike Williams Akalat Publishing Hi Surely we should be trying to recreate the photographic way that Duotones first came into being. These were created by placing a colour (mid & high range densities only) over a (B&W) greyscale which has a bias towards the lower end of the scale. What shouldn't happen is a flat tint being place over the whole image (it is the users choice what percentage tint this is is both cases - to achieve your desired effect). The amount of white is surely a factor of the amount of white in the original - either way, increasing the tint percentage of the second colour will eventually lead this to go into the white areas (highlights). I have not seen !Photoshop's Duotones in action, so can't comment on that - I have though, used !OvnPro's to succesfully reproduce Duotones in printed brochures. You have to fiddle with the curves to get the effect you want. Duotone is a form of Posterisation in photographic terms and is a 'Special Effect'. Hope this helps Colin -- Colin Woolf Watercolour Artist - Fine Art Paintings Graphic Design & Illustration colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk please visit the Web Site (currently under construction) _ www.wildart.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 18:08:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121215 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 18:08:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952019026:10:15143:303; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:43:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010492; 2 Mar 2000 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21989 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:36:56 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21984 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:36:54 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12QYar-000AJx-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:36:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:21:01 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Offtopic : system date Message-ID: <1d1cfb9849.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Chris Johnson wrote: > Sorry for being totally off topic, but I have just realised that > both my RiscPCs here are displaying > > Thursday March 2nd 2000 > > in any time/date application such as Alarm, Organizer, and of > course ctrl-D in OPro tells me it is currently 2nd March. > Running ROS4.02 with latest patch. > > Am I the only one with such a problem? I've got a feeling I'm missing something here. It is Thursday March 2nd 2000 today. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 19:32:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121227 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 19:32:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952022379:11:16491:17; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:39:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116439; 2 Mar 2000 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22242 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:31 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22007 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:44:48 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.155]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FQSZUN00.J80 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:44:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:43:59 +0100 Subject: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <49990db0e2delink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <121171@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121171@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At least... I think it is a bug. Here is how it can be achieved: Open a new window. Import a text file. Put the cursor somewhere. Import a little (bitmap) graphic. The graphic is now perfectly embedded, but... Choose Edit Style. Change in Format the leading from, say, 20% to 14pt (pt is essential). Watch what happens. In my copy, text and graphics are suddenly mixed up. When I change the leading back to a certain percentage (no points!) then everything is OK again. But I definitively need to specify the leading in points, for a particular document! What now? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 19:32:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121228 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 19:32:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952022389:10:22379:24; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:39:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022010; 2 Mar 2000 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22248 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22243 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Qa3S-000AdS-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:19:06 GMT Message-Id: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Change in Format the leading from, say, 20% to 14pt (pt is essential). >Watch what happens. >In my copy, text and graphics are suddenly mixed up. Yes thats a bug. It seems to me it only happens if the point size is less than the size of the graphic - so you are forcing lines to overlap. So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] So the nice spammer has given me another job forwarding such postings to the list. Even more amusing is that one subscribers system is currently bouncing all mail from the list on the grounds that it is suspected spam 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 20:56:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121233 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 20:56:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952026871:20:03426:114; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:54:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123117; 2 Mar 2000 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22591 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:34:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22586 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:34:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QbMp-000IDw-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:34:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:09:09 GMT Message-Id: <121220@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Offtopic : system date X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've got a feeling I'm missing something here. It is Thursday March 2nd 200 Ah but what if the industry standard is Thursday March 3rd. Assuming every PC in the world decided it was March 3rd you can assume we'd be moving onto the MS calendar smartly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 01:17:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121258 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 01:17:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952042268:10:11226:31; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 00:11:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117773; 3 Mar 2000 0:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23482 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:55:16 GMT Received: from dervish.mail.pipex.net (dervish.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23477 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:55:14 GMT Received: (qmail 11339 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2000 23:55:13 -0000 Received: from user1210.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO user1210) (193.132.93.210) by 158.43.192.48 with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 23:55:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:24:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <499916dfddrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Even more amusing is that one subscribers system is currently bouncing > all mail from the list on the grounds that it is suspected spam 8-) The same thing happened with the RISC OS Foundations newsletter - UUNET and Demon both bounced them as spam :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 01:18:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121262 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 01:18:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952038017:20:10703:17; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:00:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010232; 2 Mar 2000 22:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23028 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:16:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23022 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:16:04 GMT Received: from userbf51.uk.uudial.com (62.188.142.72) [62.188.142.72] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Qdt2-0003sJ-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:16:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:53:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Replace strings. And End keys Message-ID: <49989b3813badger.set@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <120800@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <120800@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >Is it possible to increase the length of the string that can be entered > >into 'replace' in the 'Search and Replace' dialogue box? > No, 256 bytes is your lot. Oh well, worth a try! > >And is there a macro string to force the caret to the end of the text? > Yes control+caret down in macro speak i.e. {'C_CDown} Thanks. 'Home' and 'End' now doing what I want them to. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 01:18:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121264 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 01:18:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952040343:20:21479:19; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:39:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129019; 2 Mar 2000 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23192 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:52:51 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23187 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:52:49 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop11-76.access.ch [212.161.131.204]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27320 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:52:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:03:38 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <120956@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Feb, David Pilling wrote: snip > Unless there is widespread opposition to this change, > that's what I will do. Do it. If it can be done. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 01:18:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121265 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 01:18:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952040419:20:22447:17; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:40:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022403; 2 Mar 2000 23:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23265 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:10:30 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23260 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:10:25 GMT Received: from [212.238.40.189] (helo=pberg.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Qejg-000CHD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:10:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:06:32 +0100 (GMT) From: Peter van den Berg Subject: Re: Masterpage hangs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <120836@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Thuis, achter m'n compu. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 28 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > Joking apart (that was a programmers joke (even if it wasn't funny)) has > 2.57/2.58 hung? or is it just taking a long time to work things out. I had a 45 minutes breakfast-and-coffee break, and nothing seems to have happened. > All this is interesting because if you look at the NewDocs.Summary file, > I've not recorded changing anything relevant in these versions. So I wonder > why you think there's a difference? Ahhh! You hit the right button. The Februari issue of the magazine had some complicated links in it. Tried again after removing them, this time the job was done in 5 seconds or so. I have to be careful with linking frames, so it seems. No big deal though, removing and rearranging them is done in a couple of minutes. Thanks very much, for restoring my confidence in your lovely program. -- regards, @-@ L \-/ Peter ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 13:48:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121297 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 13:48:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952084121:10:18412:18; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:48:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010125; 3 Mar 2000 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24728 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:51:36 GMT Received: from mx14.gmx.net (mx14.gmx.net [194.221.183.143]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24723 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:51:33 GMT Received: (qmail 26999 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2000 09:00:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 15436 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2000 18:54:55 -0000 Received: from natmail3.webmailer.de (HELO post.webmailer.de) (192.67.198.66) by mx11.gmx.net with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 18:54:55 -0000 Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk (omega.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.3]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19606 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:54:44 +0100 (MET) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22248 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22243 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Qa3S-000AdS-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:19:06 GMT Message-Id: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 X-maillist: ovationpro Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Change in Format the leading from, say, 20% to 14pt (pt is essential). >Watch what happens. >In my copy, text and graphics are suddenly mixed up. Yes thats a bug. It seems to me it only happens if the point size is less than the size of the graphic - so you are forcing lines to overlap. So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] So the nice spammer has given me another job forwarding such postings to the list. Even more amusing is that one subscribers system is currently bouncing all mail from the list on the grounds that it is suspected spam 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 13:48:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121298 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 13:48:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952084046:20:27525:33; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:47:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027703; 3 Mar 2000 11:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24855 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:30:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24850 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:30:36 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QqHz-0007s1-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:30:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:52:40 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <2c5d719949.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Change in Format the leading from, say, 20% to 14pt (pt is essential). > >Watch what happens. > >In my copy, text and graphics are suddenly mixed up. > > Yes thats a bug. It seems to me it only happens if the point size is less > than the size of the graphic - so you are forcing lines to overlap. > So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use > incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. > > > Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... > > >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] > > So the nice spammer has given me another job forwarding such postings to > the list. > > Even more amusing is that one subscribers system is currently bouncing > all mail from the list on the grounds that it is suspected spam 8-) Seems to be the season for it. All my usenet postings are bouncing back from a Danish mailer on the grounds that there is no user "comp.sys.acorn.apps" etc.. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 16:20:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121322 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 16:20:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952095443:10:01950:49; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:57:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126154; 3 Mar 2000 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25440 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:38:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25429 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:38:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QtDO-000JHC-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:38:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:56:48 GMT Message-Id: <121308@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use >> incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. >Great! This is a conclusive advice. Thanks! I've fixed the bug now. >> Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... >> >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] >What does this mean? In the light of the recent spam attacks, we've changed things so that postings are only accepted from addresses which are subscribed to the list. So please always post using the address which is subscribed to the list. If you just post from any old address, your posting is bounced to the list owner and I have to approve it. I'll probably do this for a week or two, and then just junk any bounced postings. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 16:20:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121323 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 16:20:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952095817:20:15202:24; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:03:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102871; 3 Mar 2000 15:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25396 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:32:59 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25391 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:32:57 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06381 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:32:46 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id OAA24399 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:35:00 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256897.004F65E7.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:35:07 +0000 Subject: Font scan and !Documents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I thought we'd done this font scan stuff to death, but I've just found another hiccup. I have FontDir Pro and it's set up to scan OPro documents on loading. This works and finds all the fonts. Except I've just started using the !Documents applet and if I load a file from the document menu it doesn't get scanned by FontDir. I can re-install the OEFPro applet which works with !Documents, but as discussed before, this doesn't find fonts in !Draw files. Any suggestions for ways to improve this? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 16:20:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121324 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 16:20:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952096252:11:14918:73; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:10:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002629; 3 Mar 2000 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25425 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:38:02 GMT Received: from proteus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.131.205]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24628 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:54:26 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (17.133.104.212.access.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id B742D9B9B for ; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:54:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.5 [Linux/i686]); Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:50:15 GMT X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:53:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Offtopic : system date To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <1d1cfb9849.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Please always post to the list using the address with which you are subscribed. > Chris Johnson wrote: > > > Sorry for being totally off topic, but I have just realised that > > both my RiscPCs here are displaying > > > > Thursday March 2nd 2000 > > > > in any time/date application such as Alarm, Organizer, and of > > course ctrl-D in OPro tells me it is currently 2nd March. > > Running ROS4.02 with latest patch. > > > > Am I the only one with such a problem? Aha. Presumably your colleague who misled you was using Excel. -- Martin Devon Stonar School a PC-free zone -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 16:21:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121332 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 16:21:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952098450:20:10663:33; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:47:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124523; 3 Mar 2000 15:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25434 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:38:05 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24477 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:30 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.166.242]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA93D for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:40:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:40:12 +0100 Subject: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <4999653c7cdelink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use > incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. Great! This is a conclusive advice. Thanks! > Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... > >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] Eh...? What does this mean? What do I have to do then, to answer to a particular mail? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 21:59:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121349 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 21:59:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952119204:11:16706:17; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:33:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115600; 3 Mar 2000 21:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26491 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:04:00 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26486 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:03:58 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QzEr-000HLo-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:03:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:22:30 GMT Message-Id: <121337@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan and !Documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I have FontDir Pro and it's set up to scan OPro documents on loading. >This works and finds all the fonts. Except I've just started using >the !Documents applet and if I load a file from the document menu >it doesn't get scanned by FontDir. Presumeably FDP intercepts filer run messages. I suppose the Documents applet could be changed to use a filer_run to launch documents instead of the command it currently users. Although I have a worry that we did things that way for a reason. If FDP has some interface for scanning files for fonts, then the Documents applet could be changed to invoke that on the file before loading it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 4 14:11:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121366 for opro ; Sat, 04 Mar 100 14:11:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952136813:20:17156:27; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:26:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016734; 4 Mar 2000 2:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27081 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:56:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27076 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:56:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12R3ne-000Htg-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:56:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 22:46:05 GMT Message-Id: <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Erm! I forsee a problem... For example I have 5 ISP accounts and thus >various email addresses. How do I find out what account and mail address I >used when subscribing to a particular Maillists? The address you are subscribed to the list with, is the one that postings from the list go to. For example I'm subscribed as opro@pilling.demon.co.uk and the list goes to that address - I read the list as user 'opro'. I guess you just look at a header of a message from the list and read off which address it was sent to. >In reality it's a bit simpler as I only sub to Maillists using argonet or >ukgateway... but the question still needs answering as I haven't the >foggies idea which maillists are subscribed via a particular account. I'll give you a clue... >Non-member submission from [Dave Symes ] Tell me when you'd prefer the spam to the hassle. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 4 14:11:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121365 for opro ; Sat, 04 Mar 100 14:11:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952136005:11:27411:18; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:13:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022163; 4 Mar 2000 2:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27074 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:56:11 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA26733 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:21:02 GMT Received: (qmail 14789 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 22:21:01 -0000 Received: from userep63.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.15.160) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 22:21:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:58:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <49999dde27dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <121308@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121308@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <121308@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use > >> incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. > >Great! This is a conclusive advice. Thanks! > I've fixed the bug now. > >> Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... > >> >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] > >What does this mean? > In the light of the recent spam attacks, we've changed things so that > postings are only accepted from addresses which are subscribed to the > list. > So please always post using the address which is subscribed to the list. > If you just post from any old address, your posting is bounced to the > list owner and I have to approve it. > I'll probably do this for a week or two, and then just junk any bounced > postings. > David Pilling Erm! I forsee a problem... For example I have 5 ISP accounts and thus various email addresses. How do I find out what account and mail address I used when subscribing to a particular Maillists? In reality it's a bit simpler as I only sub to Maillists using argonet or ukgateway... but the question still needs answering as I haven't the foggies idea which maillists are subscribed via a particular account. Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 4 14:12:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121378 for opro ; Sat, 04 Mar 100 14:12:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952168235:10:09675:18; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 11:10:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009498; 4 Mar 2000 11:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28084 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:41:19 GMT Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28079 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:41:17 GMT Received: from modem-32.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.6.32] helo=wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12RBzo-0003mp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 10:41:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:09:06 +0000 (GMT) From: W J Murphy Subject: Re: Font scan and !Documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <121337@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Free Account (That means I ain't paying!) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 03 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > If FDP has some interface for scanning files for fonts, then the Documents > applet could be changed to invoke that on the file before loading it. The module FontFS includes the command : FontFS_ScanDocument ==> Help on keyword FontFS_ScanDocument *FontFS_ScanDocument scans the specified document for fonts and, where *possible, makes them available to other applications. Syntax: *FontFS_ScanDocument -- Bill Murphy http://www.wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk mailto:Billy@wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 4 16:25:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121390 for opro ; Sat, 04 Mar 100 16:25:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952181842:10:04114:19; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 14:57:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003808; 4 Mar 2000 14:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28642 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:39:21 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.150]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27944 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 09:26:49 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.7.138]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 09:26:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:35:36 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OV Pro 2.58 Applets Message-ID: <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <120390@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Chris Manning ] In message <120390@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >> Is there a list of the latest applets to use with version 2.58 > The web pages show the latest versions of all the applets. All we > need is a small program to scan the web page and your copy of OPro > and insert any updated applets. If only all web sites showed the relevant information... I recently downloaded StylePal from the HW web site - The web site claims it's version 1.06 !ReadMe1st and Library.StylePal say it's 1.05 !Help and !Info say it's 1.04 Not much chance of automating the upgrading of that! :-( Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:54:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121405 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:54:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952189377:10:05055:17; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:02:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004426; 4 Mar 2000 17:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28930 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:21:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA28925 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:21:20 GMT Received: from usereu77.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.161) [62.188.17.161] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12RHIr-0003r9-00; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:21:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:04:58 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Clipboard applet oddity. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This applet is being invaluable to me, but the clipboards window (the one with the number of clipboards active and the icons to copy, paste, etc.) won't go off the edges of the screen in any direction although the windows option in configure is set to do this. (all the other windows behave as they should). Is this intended? When I have several other windows on the screen it is useful to park some of them overlapping the edge of the screen to get them out of the way. Oh, BTW, I still get a type 5 error if I try to reduce the number of clipboards. I can live without reducing the number, but hadn't this been fixed? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:55:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121424 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:55:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952212395:20:19233:20; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:26:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103007; 4 Mar 2000 23:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29778 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:07:26 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29773 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:07:25 GMT Received: (qmail 13325 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2000 23:07:20 -0000 Received: from user1223.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO user1223) (193.132.93.223) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2000 23:07:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:49:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <499a265c44rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Erm! I forsee a problem... For example I have 5 ISP accounts and thus > >various email addresses. How do I find out what account and mail > >address I used when subscribing to a particular Maillists? > The address you are subscribed to the list with, is the one that > postings from the list go to. > For example I'm subscribed as opro@pilling.demon.co.uk and the list > goes to that address - I read the list as user 'opro'. > I guess you just look at a header of a message from the list and read > off which address it was sent to. The problem is that the list has To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk and not To: rayd@argonet.co.uk You have to look at the Envelope: line to see which address it's sent to. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:56:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121430 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:56:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952280885:11:05615:18; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 18:28:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105321; 5 Mar 2000 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31838 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:00:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31833 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:00:47 GMT Received: from userb072.uk.uudial.com (193.149.71.55) [193.149.71.55] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12RfKf-0001Ri-00; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:00:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 15:59:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: The Menu Message-ID: <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How many peple found O-Pro's menu structure less than intuitive at first? I know I did. I also know that this manu structure was Beebug's design - not Dave's. We can be pretty certain that, had Dave designed it - it would have been a lot better. However - us existing users are stuck with it. Change would not be very beneficial. So, to help new users: is there any reason why two menu structures cannot be present - with the user chosing between them? New users would get the new menu as default, old users could go back to the old one if they so wished. The manual would need to be re-arranged to cope with the new menu structure. I'm sure experienced users would cope OK. This is only a suggestion and only Dave knows how many new users are coming in, how useful this would be to them and how much effort it would be. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:56:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121440 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:56:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952293300:10:04482:17; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:55:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121484; 5 Mar 2000 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32294 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:18:33 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32289 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:18:31 GMT Received: from [212.126.152.149] (helo=du-009-0149) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12RiQ2-0000FH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:18:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:18:53 GMT From: David Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Menu Message-ID: <385eb29a49.dpt@wrench.davespace> References: <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10a (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.10) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-35 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> Richard Torrens wrote: > How many peple found O-Pro's menu structure less than intuitive at first? > I know I did. I didn't. It's a nice menu structure. > I also know that this manu structure was Beebug's design - not Dave's. > > We can be pretty certain that, had Dave designed it - it would have been a > lot better. > > However - us existing users are stuck with it. Change would not be very > beneficial. > > So, to help new users: is there any reason why two menu structures cannot > be present - with the user chosing between them? Providing a replacement for !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Menus - the script that creates the menu structure - is easy and can be done with existing versions. > New users would get the new menu as default, old users could go back to > the old one if they so wished. > > The manual would need to be re-arranged to cope with the new menu > structure. I'm sure experienced users would cope OK. > > This is only a suggestion and only Dave knows how many new users are > coming in, how useful this would be to them and how much effort it would > be. So what do you feel is wrong with the menu structure as it is? Cheers, Dave -- David Thomas http://www.tristone.co.uk/davespace/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121451 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952337557:10:22912:37; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:12:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104241; 6 Mar 2000 10:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01579 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:25:57 GMT Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01574 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:25:55 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem784.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.16]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08638 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:25:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:26:42 +0100 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Later version of Artworks To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, You could also export the vectorpart of Artworks to !Draw and put your sprite also in the latter. With some (Postscript) drivers the whole frame content will not be printed... (work to do for RO Ltd?). To be totally sure, I put a transparent frame with the vectorfile on top of the sprite already in Opro or Impression. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121452 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952305371:20:05522:18; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:16:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005339; 6 Mar 2000 1:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00417 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:26:05 GMT Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00412 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:26:01 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-198.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.198]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA48895 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:55:38 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:49:23 +1030 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: ArtWork file To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My wife has created a sprite that she has put into Artworks to manipulate/duplicate etc dropping this file into a frame reports that 'This file was made by a more recent version of ArtWorks' It also reports the same when dropping into PhotoDesk or Impression Pro. I think it may be due to a problem with ArtWorks in that it cannot deal with many coloured sprites. What is it that we are doing wrong? Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121458 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952340477:11:26001:39; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:01:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120231; 6 Mar 2000 10:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01678 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:02:09 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01673 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:02:07 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12RuL0-000G2T-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:02:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:02:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: ArtWork file To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Another solution is print to a sprite with !SPrinter available from David's site and you can have all what you created in ArtWorks in the image. No worries anymore of sprites, hatches, gradual fills and clippings that don't export properly to other applications or other platforms. No memory problems when the file is created. The same when you translate to other bitmaps with David Pilling's scanning software. One day David may even write a direct Tiff + JPEG printer ;-) The disadvantages; files may become bigger, no vector editing possible afterwards. This should be in the FAQ meanwhile. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121461 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952330274:20:11396:18; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:11:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127910; 6 Mar 2000 8:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01204 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:55:16 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01199 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:55:13 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup026.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.58]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA30283 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:56:21 GMT Message-ID: <000401bf8741$29e8a640$3a94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: Subject: Re: ArtWork file Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:53:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Peter Prewit wrote: > My wife has created a sprite that she has put into Artworks to > manipulate/duplicate etc dropping this file into a frame reports that > 'This file was made by a more recent version of ArtWorks' > > It also reports the same when dropping into PhotoDesk or Impression Pro. > > I think it may be due to a problem with ArtWorks in that it cannot deal with many coloured sprites. > > What is it that we are doing wrong? This is a well known problem. While ArtWorks was updated to deal with 24-bit sprites, the ArtWorks renderer module used by the likes of Ovation Pro wasn't. The only solution, as far as I know, is to import any such sprite separately into its own frame in Ovation Pro. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121463 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952332425:20:29353:21; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:47:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027797; 6 Mar 2000 8:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01260 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:08:20 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01255 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:08:18 GMT Received: from modem-147.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.147] helo=wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12RsYq-0000JA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:08:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:58:20 +0000 (GMT) From: W J Murphy Subject: Re: ArtWork file To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Free Account (That means I ain't paying!) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 05 Mar, Peter Prewett wrote: > My wife has created a sprite that she has put into Artworks to > manipulate/duplicate etc dropping this file into a frame reports that > 'This file was made by a more recent version of ArtWorks' > > It also reports the same when dropping into PhotoDesk or Impression Pro. > > I think it may be due to a problem with ArtWorks in that it cannot deal > with many coloured sprites. > > What is it that we are doing wrong? Artworks can cope with loads of colours but its loader for other programs cannot. Computer Concepts answer was that deep colour sprites should be dealt with by the other program (Impression) because it can do it better! Your solution could be to extract the sprite from the Artworks file making sure it is deleted from the sprite viewer (as the error will still occur if the deep sprite is in the file even though not part of the picture). Then put the sprite through ChangeFSI to convert it to 256 colours and then put it back. Alternatively use two frames in Ovation one with sprite in and the other transparent frame on to with the Artworks file in it. -- Bill Murphy http://www.wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk mailto:Billy@wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121472 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952341405:20:27410:110; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:16:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114502; 6 Mar 2000 11:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01866 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:41:57 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01861 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:41:55 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12RuxW-0001UN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:41:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:41:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OV Pro 2.58 Applets Message-ID: <499afbcebeC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> References: <120390@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Chris Manning wrote: > If only all web sites showed the relevant information... > I recently downloaded StylePal from the HW web site - > The web site claims it's version 1.06 > !ReadMe1st and Library.StylePal say it's 1.05 > !Help and !Info say it's 1.04 > Not much chance of automating the upgrading of that! :-( I am afraid it is down to the authors of applets to make sure that all their version numbers within an applet are consistent. I have started trying to check such things before actually mounting a new version, but in the past I did not do this, but just mounted the upgrades as sent to me. In some cases later versions are for bug fixes, and authors have not changed all the version numbers. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:58:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121483 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:58:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952345846:20:14653:27; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:30:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129671; 6 Mar 2000 12:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02178 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:47:20 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02173 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:47:18 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12Rvyn-00035D-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:47:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:29:07 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard applet oddity. Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > This applet is being invaluable to me, Thanks :-) > but the clipboards window (the one with the number of clipboards active and > the icons to copy, paste, etc.) won't go off the edges of the screen in any > direction Hmm. I'd not noticed this but the sames happens here. Not sure why, as the 'Keep on screen' flag isn't selected in TemplEd. Can anyone else shed light on why this is happening? John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:58:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121487 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:58:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952358571:10:09312:267; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:02:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027930; 6 Mar 2000 15:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02685 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:00:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02680 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:00:39 GMT Received: from userfa42.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.212) [62.188.19.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Ryzt-0005Xo-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:00:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:44:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: The Menu Message-ID: <499b121473richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <385eb29a49.dpt@wrench.davespace> References: <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> <385eb29a49.dpt@wrench.davespace> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <385eb29a49.dpt@wrench.davespace>, David Thomas wrote: > In message <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> > Richard Torrens wrote: ... snip .. > So what do you feel is wrong with the menu structure as it is? That's difficult: I've had O-Pro for some time and have got used to it. Part of this whole suggestion is to do with where (prospective) new users could be coming from. I don't have any experience of that. It's probable that if you come in from publishing you're used to the jargon and way of organisation. If you've been using a word processor and upgrading the background is different. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 20:38:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121570 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 20:38:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952374979:11:22243:17; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:36:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006037; 6 Mar 2000 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03240 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:01:01 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29377 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:11:18 GMT Received: (qmail 17763 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2000 19:11:16 -0000 Received: from useri620.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.106.230) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2000 19:11:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:11:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <499a22da1ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Dave Symes ] In article <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Erm! I forsee a problem... For example I have 5 ISP accounts and thus > >various email addresses. How do I find out what account and mail > >address I used when subscribing to a particular Maillists? > The address you are subscribed to the list with, is the one that > postings from the list go to. > For example I'm subscribed as opro@pilling.demon.co.uk and the list goes > to that address - I read the list as user 'opro'. > I guess you just look at a header of a message from the list and read > off which address it was sent to. > >In reality it's a bit simpler as I only sub to Maillists using argonet > >or ukgateway... but the question still needs answering as I haven't the > >foggies idea which maillists are subscribed via a particular account. > I'll give you a clue... > >Non-member submission from [Dave Symes ] > Tell me when you'd prefer the spam to the hassle. > David Pilling Okay, that's plain enough, I must have subbed with the argonet account. So I really need to re-subscribe with the ukg account then unsubscribe from the argo account... Unsubscribe is no problem, but I can't remember what sort of mail I need to send to re-subscribe again. Cheers Dave S My initial thoughts were to ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk with SUBSCRIBE in the body of the message... but that sounds too easy to be right. Some prompting please. D. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 20:38:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121572 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 20:38:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952374601:20:19945:26; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:30:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019808; 6 Mar 2000 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03246 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:01:03 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32262 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:07:45 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.207.134]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:03:41 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 15:04:20 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Offtopic : system date Message-ID: <499A0C3D56%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4998f5e42fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Chris Manning ] In message <4998f5e42fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Chris Johnson wrote: > it is my PC running colleague who just convinced me it was Thursday 3rd!!! > Its his clock that is wrong! And presumably it's been wrong since February 29th, which makes me wonder why it took him so long to notice. Chris David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 21:32:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121598 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 21:32:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952376976:10:20817:37; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:09:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115507; 6 Mar 2000 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03571 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:41:19 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29258 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:10:55 GMT Received: from modem-26.barium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.47.26] helo=gwen) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12RJ0w-000634-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 18:10:55 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: OV Pro 2.58 Applets Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:10:35 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from ["Nick Kaijaks" ] Chris Manning wrote: > If only all web sites showed the relevant information... > > I recently downloaded StylePal from the HW web site - > > The web site claims it's version 1.06 > > !ReadMe1st and Library.StylePal say it's 1.05 > > !Help and !Info say it's 1.04 > > Not much chance of automating the upgrading of that! :-( Indeed. That's probably because StylePal went through about four different versions in about as many days. It's a recognized problem that it's all too easy to get the numbers out of sync, especially when you're trying to make changes to code quickly whilst at the same time keeping up with documentation and web pages. I freely confess to releasing StylePal 1.05 on an unsuspecting world with inconsistent numbering. The version on my website since 19/Nov/99 says 1.06 everywhere. I guess Chris's site is one version behind, which isn't surprising under the circumstances. Perhaps an answer is ruthlessly to strike out any numbering except in !Info. Either that or someone should code an Ovation Pro applet versioning engine to complement the automatic applet updater ;-) Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 7 14:31:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121644 for opro ; Tue, 07 Mar 100 14:31:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952426779:20:13890:17; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:59:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013276; 7 Mar 2000 10:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05164 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:12:41 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05159 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:12:39 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12SGyj-00052W-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:12:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:12:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OV Pro 2.58 Applets Message-ID: <499b7d09fcC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Nick Kaijaks wrote: > The version on my website since 19/Nov/99 says 1.06 > everywhere. I guess Chris's site is one version behind, which > isn't surprising under the circumstances. Ok - I think I am back up to date now. By the way Nick, your web site (front page anyway) causes my Fresco 2.13 to type 5 if Javascript is turned on 8-( Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 8 13:19:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121731 for opro ; Wed, 08 Mar 100 13:19:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952510012:11:27126:60; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:06:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125288; 8 Mar 2000 10:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10374 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:46:26 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10369 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:46:24 GMT From: Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29928 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:46:24 GMT Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18926 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:46:11 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id JAA04818 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:48:33 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025689C.0035711C.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:49:06 +0000 Subject: Re: Font scan and !Documents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>I have FontDir Pro and it's set up to scan OPro documents on loading. >>This works and finds all the fonts. Except I've just started using >>the !Documents applet and if I load a file from the document menu >>it doesn't get scanned by FontDir. >Presumeably FDP intercepts filer run messages. I suppose the Documents >applet could be changed to use a filer_run to launch documents instead >of the command it currently users. Although I have a worry that we did >things that way for a reason. >If FDP has some interface for scanning files for fonts, then the Documents >applet could be changed to invoke that on the file before loading it. Ok this has prompted be to put my toes in the waters of OVPro scripts. I have modified the documents applet and now files get scanned when they are loaded from the document menu. If you want to make the same changes then change the document_menuentry function so it looks like this :- int document_menuentry(int entry, int subcode) { string s; string fn = document_filename(entry) ; string fs = "FontFS$Dir" ; if(objectexists(fn)) { if (getenvs (fs)) osclis ("FontFS_ScanDocument " + fn) ; loadfile(fn); } else { s = "{DOCUMENT_01}"; translate(s); messagebox(s); } return(0); } Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 8 13:19:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121737 for opro ; Wed, 08 Mar 100 13:19:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952512139:20:01903:27; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:42:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001385; 8 Mar 2000 10:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10536 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:19:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA10531 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:19:21 GMT Received: from usern655.uk.uudial.com (193.149.85.180) [193.149.85.180] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12SdYm-0005Ra-00; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:19:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:25:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Referencing TIFFs Message-ID: <499bc59b01owlart@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm using OvPro v2.56 (for compatibility reasons), and am trying to use referenced pictures. However, most of the images I'm using are scanned photos in TIFF format. However, the Reference Picture option doesn't seem to work with TIFF files at all. Sprites & JPEGS work okay, but not TIFF. Am I doing something wrong, have I missed something? Andy -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 8 17:55:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121760 for opro ; Wed, 08 Mar 100 17:55:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952528107:20:23147:49; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:08:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023293; 8 Mar 2000 15:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11179 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:34:44 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10578 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:26:16 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip47 [129.69.189.47]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id LAA26545 for In-Reply-To: <8025689C.0035711C.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> References: <8025689C.0035711C.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Stefan Bellon ] In article <8025689C.0035711C.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel>, wrote: > >>I have FontDir Pro and it's set up to scan OPro documents on > >>loading. This works and finds all the fonts. Except I've just > >>started using the !Documents applet and if I load a file from the > >>document menu it doesn't get scanned by FontDir. > >Presumeably FDP intercepts filer run messages. I suppose the > >Documents applet could be changed to use a filer_run to launch > >documents instead of the command it currently users. Although I have > >a worry that we did things that way for a reason. If FDP has some > >interface for scanning files for fonts, then the Documents applet > >could be changed to invoke that on the file before loading it. > Ok this has prompted be to put my toes in the waters of OVPro scripts. > I have modified the documents applet and now files get scanned when > they are loaded from the document menu. If you want to make the > same changes then change the document_menuentry function so it > looks like this :- [snip] Sorry for my late participation in this thread. I use the !FontScan applet by Adrian Look himself. It works with both, normal Filer_Runs and with documents loaded via the !Document applet. The fonts automatically get activated in both cases. This seems a much more elegant way than changing every single applet to support FontDir. If you can't contact him (well, I didn't manage for quite some time; doesn't he do RISC OS support anymore) or get the applet from some web site, then I may send the applet to you. I don't see any copyright notice anywhere inside it. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 1/1=1.089089789701234132 : It's close enough. (Intel 1994) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 8 17:55:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121769 for opro ; Wed, 08 Mar 100 17:55:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952534403:20:07284:21; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:53:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007104; 8 Mar 2000 16:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11459 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:12:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11454 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:12:55 GMT Received: from userey30.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.2) [62.188.19.2] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Sj4t-00056K-00; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:12:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: Ovation Pro Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:14:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: It must be possible! Message-ID: <499c21fd50jmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I'm stuck! I want to combine a number of OvPro documents, each containing several frames, into one document. I can't, for the life of me, see how to do it. Please put me out of my misery :-) Thanks! Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 8 18:58:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121792 for opro ; Wed, 08 Mar 100 18:58:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952541696:20:00407:31; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:54:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121353; 8 Mar 2000 18:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11866 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:24:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11852 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:24:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Sl8R-000OGE-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:24:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:03:33 GMT Message-Id: <121778@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: It must be possible! X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm stuck! I want to combine a number of OvPro documents, each >containing several frames, into one document. I can't, for the life of >me, see how to do it. Please put me out of my misery :-) Thanks! You use the new facility in 2.58 which allows you to copy and paste chapters via the clip board. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 8 18:58:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121795 for opro ; Wed, 08 Mar 100 18:58:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952540827:10:18679:19; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:40:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106008; 8 Mar 2000 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11855 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:24:40 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11847 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:24:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Sl8O-000OGE-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:24:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:03:25 GMT Message-Id: <121776@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referencing TIFFs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm using OvPro v2.56 (for compatibility reasons), and am trying to use >referenced pictures. However, most of the images I'm using are scanned >photos in TIFF format. However, the Reference Picture option doesn't seem >to work with TIFF files at all. Sprites & JPEGS work okay, but not TIFF. >Am I doing something wrong, have I missed something? I guess you've missed the notes in the documentation which tell you that you can reference file types which need conversion to be loaded. I'd guess your best bet would be to convert your TIFF's to Sprites or Sprites in Draw files. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 8 21:09:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121802 for opro ; Wed, 08 Mar 100 21:09:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952543545:20:07738:21; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:25:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124991; 8 Mar 2000 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12156 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:10:33 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12151 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:10:31 GMT Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FR4004I5ALE5B@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:10:27 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:12:43 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: Referencing TIFFs In-reply-to: <121776@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <1e53329c49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <121776@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <121776@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > > >I'm using OvPro v2.56 (for compatibility reasons), and am trying to use > >referenced pictures. However, most of the images I'm using are scanned > >photos in TIFF format. However, the Reference Picture option doesn't seem > >to work with TIFF files at all. Sprites & JPEGS work okay, but not TIFF. > >Am I doing something wrong, have I missed something? > > I guess you've missed the notes in the documentation which tell you > that you can reference file types which need conversion to be loaded. > > I'd guess your best bet would be to convert your TIFF's to Sprites or > Sprites in Draw files. Or if you have imageFS2 you can reference to the sprite "inside" the tiff: .image/tif,image/tif this usually is. You don't need much space on your HD but it will take some time to convert the images when you need them. grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 8 23:04:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121811 for opro ; Wed, 08 Mar 100 23:04:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952552884:10:13843:20; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:01:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013773; 8 Mar 2000 22:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12575 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:05:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA12570 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:05:53 GMT Received: from usern239.uk.uudial.com (193.149.84.18) [193.149.84.18] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Sndt-0002Vx-00; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:05:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:04:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Referencing TIFFs Message-ID: <499c3c8792owlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121776@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121776@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <121776@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I'm using OvPro v2.56 (for compatibility reasons), and am trying to > >use referenced pictures. However, most of the images I'm using are > >scanned photos in TIFF format. However, the Reference Picture option > >doesn't seem to work with TIFF files at all. Sprites & JPEGS work > >okay, but not TIFF. Am I doing something wrong, have I missed > >something? > I guess you've missed the notes in the documentation which tell you > that you can reference file types which need conversion to be loaded. That would be it! > I'd guess your best bet would be to convert your TIFF's to Sprites or > Sprites in Draw files. That's what I'd figured. Thanks, -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: OwlArt@argonet.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 01:25:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121826 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 01:24:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952559162:20:00150:23; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:46:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029945; 8 Mar 2000 23:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12906 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:18:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12901 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:17:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12SpiI-0004Cq-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:17:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:08:10 GMT Message-Id: <121817@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referencing TIFFs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I guess you've missed the notes in the documentation which tell you > that you can reference file types which need conversion to be loaded. Should be "I guess you've missed the notes in the documentation which tell you that you can't reference file types which need conversion to be loaded." ^^^^^ makes all the difference... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 01:25:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121827 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 01:25:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952559300:20:02475:18; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:48:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121740; 8 Mar 2000 23:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12933 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:18:30 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.153]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12670 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:43:43 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.206.106]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:37:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:54:09 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard applet oddity. Message-ID: <499C0A2C2C%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Chris Manning ] In message John Pettigrew wrote: >> the clipboards window (the one with the number of clipboards active and >> the icons to copy, paste, etc.) won't go off the edges of the screen > Can anyone else shed light on why this is happening? You could always try something like void clipboards_open(int handle, int x0, int y0, int x1, int y1, int scx int scy, int bhandle) { open_window(handle, x0, y1-98-58*clipboards_total, x1, y1, scx, scy, bhandle); } although that still leaves the window jumping back on screen if you attempt to increase the number of clipboards with it partially off screen. Unfortunately my enthusiasm for debugging ran out before I got that far. Chris David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 01:25:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121828 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 01:25:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952559326:11:24365:18; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:48:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124333; 8 Mar 2000 23:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12920 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:18:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12915 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:18:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12SpiJ-0004Cq-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:18:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:09:27 GMT Message-Id: <121819@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: bounce X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 8 21:18:16 2000 Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12594 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:18:15 GMT Received: from 9210143318.swissonline.ch (sol-90-140.swissonline.ch [195.24.90.140]) by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03922 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:19:26 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:09:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Rico & Gaby Naf Subject: Re: Printing freezes RPC? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Non-member submission from [Rico & Gaby Naf ] On Sat 19 Feb, Roger Morris wrote: > I vaguely remember an item about an invisible error dialogue box > recently, but I can't find it. Took no notice because I hadn't witnessed > the phenomenon at the time - can't even be certain that the message was > concerned with OvnPro. > > However over the past few days I have had several machine freezes on > clicking "Print" in OvnPro print dialogue: > > Get largish background area overwriting about 1/2 screen with what > seems to be an error box in the centre of it. Nothing visible but it > does constrain the pointer to itself. There must be an active button > because it is possible to click and thus remove the constraints on the > pointer - but to no other good, clicking on anything else just brings > back the invisible box and its constraints. Alt-Break has no effect. > Only way out is to reboot. Most annoying, especially when I had tried to > print without saving first! > > Can't deliberately reproduce it. > > Anyone know what this is? Only seen since going to 2.58 on SA RPC. > No, I have no Idea but something similar happens to me. At the end of a printjob my machine starts to freeze. The printbox gets empty and starts to flicker. I tryed a different printermodule (1.54) but no change. I've had an impression the printer does not like the ANT-Suite running but that proved to be true partly. My printer def. BJC-4300. It could be some clash with other software. I print in foreground for faster response. Print in the background may help, haven't tryed yet. Regards Rico -- snailmail: Rico&Gaby Naf, Goetighoferstr. 8, 8586 Riedt b. Erlen, Switzerland email: familynaf@swissonline.ch sent by: Acorn-Computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 01:25:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121831 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 01:25:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952560182:20:16916:17; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:03:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103980; 9 Mar 2000 0:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12941 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:18:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12927 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:18:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Spil-0004Cq-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:18:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:11:29 GMT Message-Id: <121823@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing freezes RPC? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >No, I have no Idea but something similar happens to me. At the end of a >printjob my machine starts to freeze. The printbox gets empty and starts >to flicker. Of course the most likely explanation is the combination of CC Turbo drivers (or Laser Direct), a JPEG image and OPro being configure with the pre print pass off. All this is rather amusing because it seems that setting pre print passes on, can also cause problems. So someone is going to be between the devil and the deep blue sea. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 14:16:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121850 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 14:16:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952589054:20:22525:27; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:04:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103509; 9 Mar 2000 8:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14314 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:48:53 GMT Received: from mghosting.co.uk (mghosting.co.uk [216.122.100.241]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14309 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:48:50 GMT Received: from mld_server (microlas.demon.co.uk [158.152.237.88]) by mghosting.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17446 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:48:47 GMT Received: from 97.4.0.33 by mld_server ([97.4.0.87] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Thu, 9 Mar 20 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:43:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Clipboard applet oddity. Message-ID: <499c7704f3andy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <499C0A2C2C%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> References: <499C0A2C2C%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0c - Registered to: Micro Laser Designs Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <499C0A2C2C%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Chris Manning wrote: > You could always try something like > void clipboards_open(int handle, int x0, int y0, int x1, int y1, > int scx int scy, int bhandle) { open_window(handle, x0, > y1-98-58*clipboards_total, x1, y1, scx, scy, bhandle); } > although that still leaves the window jumping back on screen if you > attempt to increase the number of clipboards with it partially off > screen. Unfortunately my enthusiasm for debugging ran out before I got > that far. > Chris If you load the templates into WinEd you'll notice that the 'Allow off Screen' flag is not set. Simply set this and you can then drag the window off the screen! (And it won't jump back onto the screen when changing the number of clipboards). If anyone wants an updated templates file let me know. I've privately emailed it to John. Cheers all Andrew -- _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * FINISHING FULL COLOUR, SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 14:16:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121855 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 14:16:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952595622:10:29147:21; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 09:53:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122510; 9 Mar 2000 9:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14626 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:36:08 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14621 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:36:06 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30051 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:36:03 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id JAA29050 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:38:27 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025689D.00344686.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:39:02 +0000 Subject: Re: bounce (Printing freezes RPC?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I vaguely remember an item about an invisible error dialogue box > recently, but I can't find it. Took no notice because I hadn't witnessed > the phenomenon at the time - can't even be certain that the message was > concerned with OvnPro. > I had this after upgrading to 2.58. Every time I tried to print I got a large blank grey box with the mouse movement restricted just like an error box. The only safe way out seemed to be to reboot. I was printing with turbo drivers and had a JPEG image in the document So my first try was to convert the JPEG to a sprite, which made no difference. I then checked the printchoices stuff and one of them had been changed by the upgrade (printchoices2 I think). I put this back to how it was and all now seems to work. Hope this helps Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 14:17:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121867 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 14:17:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952597718:20:02659:32; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:28:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121295; 9 Mar 2000 10:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14712 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:57:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14707 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:57:00 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Szgh-0005Nq-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:56:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 09:41:23 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard applet oddity. Message-ID: <7eda819c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <499C0A2C2C%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> <499c7704f3andy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <499c7704f3andy@mld.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In a previous posting, Andrew J Bissex wrote: > If you load the templates into WinEd you'll notice that the 'Allow off > Screen' flag is not set. Simply set this and you can then drag the window > off the screen! (And it won't jump back onto the screen when changing the > number of clipboards). Thanks for that, Andrew. Most peculiar - in TemplEd, the 'Keep on screen' box was unselected anyway so there's obviously some important bug in TemplEd (or some odd interaction between it's template files and OvPro). Perhaps I should switch (although I've never really got to grips with WinEd)! I'll send an updated version of the applet to the Resources site. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 14:17:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121871 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 14:17:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952601800:20:22217:35; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:36:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106907; 9 Mar 2000 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15022 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:03:56 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15017 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:03:53 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip23 [129.69.189.23]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id MAA18064 for User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd like to know whether there's a way to chose the font used for substitution if another font is missing. If this isn't possible ATM, then I'd like to see a pop up menu list in the window that currently reports the missing font and lets you chose between temporary and permanent substitution as well as cancelling the loading of the document. With this pop up menu list you could specify a replacement font for each missing font individually. Any possibility of adding this? Or does such a feature already exist somewhere hidden in OPro? Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * write down the answer. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 14:17:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121873 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 14:17:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952608946:10:15852:17; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:35:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015700; 9 Mar 2000 13:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15329 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:58:28 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15324 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:58:26 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.109] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12T2WG-0000rp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:58:24 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:54:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:55:22 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Missing font substitution Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <499c8932fcsbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Stefan Bellon wrote: > I'd like to know whether there's a way to chose the font used for > substitution if another font is missing. > > If this isn't possible ATM, then I'd like to see a pop up menu list in > the window that currently reports the missing font and lets you chose > between temporary and permanent substitution as well as cancelling the > loading of the document. With this pop up menu list you could specify a > replacement font for each missing font individually. > Sounds a neat solution. At present I save out to DDL and change the assignments in the font list near the start of the document. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From jmgray@argonet.co.uk Thu Mar 9 18:22:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121899 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 18:22:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952622385:20:10255:5; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:19:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108383; 9 Mar 2000 17:19 GMT Received: from userej10.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.21) [62.188.13.21] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12T6Z6-0006Lu-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:17:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: J.M. Gray To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:48:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: It must be possible! Message-ID: <499c9dece6jmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121778@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121778@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain In article <121778@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I'm stuck! I want to combine a number of OvPro documents, each > >containing several frames, into one document. I can't, for the life > >of me, see how to do it. Please put me out of my misery :-) Thanks! > You use the new facility in 2.58 which allows you to copy and paste > chapters via the clip board. Eureka! Many thanks, not only for your response but also for making it possible :-) but I have another problem now, to which I'm sure there is an equally simple solution. I now have a document with 9 chapters of varying length set up on A4 paper which I wish to print as an A5 booklet. The printers (apologies for bothering you again!) Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 18:22:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121901 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 18:22:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952624694:20:01341:34; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:58:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2000918; 9 Mar 2000 17:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15969 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:39:15 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15964 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:39:13 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop1-61.access.ch [212.161.128.61]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02069 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:39:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:37:45 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Missing font substitution To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 09 Mar, David Graddol wrote: > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > I'd like to know whether there's a way to chose the font used for > > substitution if another font is missing. snip > Sounds a neat solution. At present I save out to DDL and change > the assignments in the font list near the start of the document. David, Can you possibly give one example how you do this? Specifically how you handle the hexa-decimal numbers mentioned after FONT as defined after the line "// Text styles etc." in a DDL file. MTIA JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From jmgray@argonet.co.uk Thu Mar 9 18:22:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121903 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 18:22:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952625154:20:10743:18; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:05:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124632; 9 Mar 2000 18:05 GMT Received: from useret90.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.75) [62.188.17.75] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12T7Gp-0001Hq-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:02:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: J.M. Gray To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:04:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: It must be possible! Message-ID: <499cafe30cjmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121778@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121778@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R In article <121778@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I'm stuck! I want to combine a number of OvPro documents, each > >containing several frames, into one document. I can't, for the life > >of me, see how to do it. Please put me out of my misery :-) Thanks! > You use the new facility in 2.58 which allows you to copy and paste > chapters via the clip board. Eureka! Many thanks, not only for your response but also for making it possible :-) but I now have another problem to which, no doubt, there is a another simple solution. I now have a document, set up with A4 pages, which I wish to print as two A5 pages, side by side on A4. If I select Pamphlet, Range 5.14,5,15 that's what I get but if I select Range 5.16,5.13 I get an A5 on one sheet of A4 and the second A5 on another sheet of A4. I've tried a lot of Print settings and used a lot of paper but I haven't hit on the right combination. Can you help, again, please? Thanks, Jeremy Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 21:02:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121913 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 21:02:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952629613:10:27327:17; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 19:20:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106508; 9 Mar 2000 19:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16189 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:37:19 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16182 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:37:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12T7oB-0001oC-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:37:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:27:17 GMT Message-Id: <121908@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Missing font substitution X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Sounds a neat solution. At present I save out to DDL and change >> the assignments in the font list near the start of the document. >Can you possibly give one example how you do this? Specifically how you >handle the hexa-decimal numbers mentioned after FONT as defined after >the line "// Text styles etc." in a DDL file. In something like FONT_8f3b={font "Trinity.Medium"} 'FONT_8f3b' is a variable name, it has no meaning itself, you could replace 'FONT_8f3b' with 'BobsFont' or 'ZZZZjjj222' everywhere in the file and it would still work. When you generate a DDL file OPro has to make up variable names, which it does using the object type and the number used (at that moment) to represent it internally. But beyond that variable names (as with most programming languages) have no meaning. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 21:02:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121917 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 21:02:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952628154:20:11708:22; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:55:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011691; 9 Mar 2000 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16186 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:37:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16177 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:37:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12T7o9-0001oC-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:37:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:25:32 GMT Message-Id: <121906@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard applet oddity. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If you load the templates into WinEd you'll notice that the 'Allow off >Screen' flag is not set. Simply set this and you can then drag the window >off the screen! I think I'm right to say this is not good practice because it means the window will go off screen for people like me, who don't want them going off to the top and left. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 21:03:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121934 for opro ; Thu, 09 Mar 100 21:03:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952635466:10:03020:22; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:57:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003074; 9 Mar 2000 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16722 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:28:44 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16717 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:28:42 GMT Received: from modem-74.medroxyprogest.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.88.202] helo=lcessford) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12T9Y0-0001OL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:28:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:22:01 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referencing TIFFs Message-ID: <0d81bc9c49.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <121776@pilling.demon.co.uk> <499c3c8792owlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <499c3c8792owlart@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <499c3c8792owlart@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <121776@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >I'm using OvPro v2.56 (for compatibility reasons), and am trying to > > >use referenced pictures. However, most of the images I'm using are > > >scanned photos in TIFF format. However, the Reference Picture option > > >doesn't seem to work with TIFF files at all. Sprites & JPEGS work > > >okay, but not TIFF. Am I doing something wrong, have I missed > > >something? > > > I guess you've missed the notes in the documentation which tell you > > that you can reference file types which need conversion to be loaded. > > That would be it! > > > I'd guess your best bet would be to convert your TIFF's to Sprites or > > Sprites in Draw files. > > That's what I'd figured. Not that I've tried it myself - but Mike Williams writing in the OvPro Notebook column on page 20 of Acorn Publisher Vo.6 Issue 3 Feb.2000 says: "You cannot directly load a TIFF file, for example. If you attempt this the TIFF file is automatically converted to sprite format but the sprite is not saved anywhere which can be referenced." Just thought this might add a smidgen to the general knowledge! -- Alas. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 10 01:43:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121980 for opro ; Fri, 10 Mar 100 01:43:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952645941:20:23099:17; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:52:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022963; 9 Mar 2000 23:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17237 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:33:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17232 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:33:56 GMT Received: from fergusn.demon.co.uk ([158.152.240.61] helo=fergusn) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12TCRH-0003Tf-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:33:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:28:47 +0000 From: John Ferguson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard applet oddity. Message-ID: <499CCD9A95%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121906@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (05 Mar 2000) Snapshot-1, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <121906@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >If you load the templates into WinEd you'll notice that the 'Allow off > >Screen' flag is not set. Simply set this and you can then drag the window > >off the screen! > > I think I'm right to say this is not good practice because it means the > window will go off screen for people like me, who don't want them going off > to the top and left. I would go along with this as it's my preferred behaviour too. The PRM states that that bits 5 & 6 of *WimpFlags control whether windows can move off screen even if the 'allow window off screen' bit isn't set. John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 10 01:44:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121983 for opro ; Fri, 10 Mar 100 01:44:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952648006:20:07328:18; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:26:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108768; 10 Mar 2000 0:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17341 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:58:26 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17336 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:58:24 GMT Received: from [195.102.204.26] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12TCow-0006JE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:58:23 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:51:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:52:20 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Missing font substitution Message-ID: <59c2cf9c49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121908@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >> Sounds a neat solution. At present I save out to DDL and change > >> the assignments in the font list near the start of the document. > >Can you possibly give one example how you do this? Specifically how you > >handle the hexa-decimal numbers mentioned after FONT as defined after > >the line "// Text styles etc." in a DDL file. > > In something like > > FONT_8f3b={font "Trinity.Medium"} > > 'FONT_8f3b' is a variable name, it has no meaning itself, you could > replace 'FONT_8f3b' with 'BobsFont' or 'ZZZZjjj222' everywhere in the file > and it would still work. > Though of course what this means is that you can safely ignore that bit altogether and just concentrate on the font name. Say I have a list of fonts: FONT_3d33={font "GillSans"} FONT_8f3b={font "Trinity.Medium"} FONT_de66={font "GillSans.Bold"} I can swap GillSans to (say) Eric and lo and behold every instance of GillSans in the document is switched to Eric. There's no need to touch the style definitions or even worry about direct font selections in the document - these all refer back to the FONT_xxxx variable set at the start. So leave the hex stuff alone. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 10 01:44:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121984 for opro ; Fri, 10 Mar 100 01:44:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952647232:10:06952:17; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:13:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102387; 10 Mar 2000 0:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17348 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:58:30 GMT Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17343 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:58:28 GMT Received: from p6fs03a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.227.112] helo=p6fs03a07) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12TCqx-0007z3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:00:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 19:26:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Clipboard applet oddity. Message-ID: <499cb768e3rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121906@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121906@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <121906@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >If you load the templates into WinEd you'll notice that the 'Allow off > >Screen' flag is not set. Simply set this and you can then drag the > >window off the screen! > I think I'm right to say this is not good practice because it means the > window will go off screen for people like me, who don't want them going > off to the top and left. But isn't the behaviour on individual machines controlled by the options set in !Configure.Windows? ie they will only go off screen top and left or bottom and right if you don't tick the relevant box? If the 'allow off screen' flag isn't set on the template, then it can't be moved off screen even if you want to. So, it would seem sensible to allow it to be dragged off screen unless disabled by the local computer. IYSWIM - or have I got it wrong? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 11 13:22:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122087 for opro ; Sat, 11 Mar 100 13:22:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952762545:20:21774:19; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:15:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107559; 11 Mar 2000 8:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20650 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:23:01 GMT Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20645 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:22:56 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-100.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.100]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05349 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:52:38 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:30:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: Missing font substitution To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <59c2cf9c49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 09 Mar, David Graddol wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > >> Sounds a neat solution. At present I save out to DDL and change > > >> the assignments in the font list near the start of the document. > > >Can you possibly give one example how you do this? Specifically how you > > >handle the hexa-decimal numbers mentioned after FONT as defined after > > >the line "// Text styles etc." in a DDL file. > > > > In something like > > > > FONT_8f3b={font "Trinity.Medium"} > > > > 'FONT_8f3b' is a variable name, it has no meaning itself, you could > > replace 'FONT_8f3b' with 'BobsFont' or 'ZZZZjjj222' everywhere in the file > > and it would still work. > > > > Though of course what this means is that you can safely ignore > that bit altogether and just concentrate on the font name. Say I > have a list of fonts: > > FONT_3d33={font "GillSans"} > FONT_8f3b={font "Trinity.Medium"} > FONT_de66={font "GillSans.Bold"} > > I can swap GillSans to (say) Eric and lo and behold every > instance of GillSans in the document is switched to Eric. There's > no need to touch the style definitions or even worry about direct > font selections in the document - these all refer back to the > FONT_xxxx variable set at the start. So leave the hex stuff > alone. Is this a way of finding an obscure font in a large document eg, making it say dingbats or freehand or some other font that is totally different and easy to find. I am having problems finding all the instances of one called quiver in 64 page document which has lots of Vector drawings in it. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 11 17:13:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122124 for opro ; Sat, 11 Mar 100 17:13:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952794785:10:23071:17; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:13:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122791; 11 Mar 2000 17:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21671 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:17:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21666 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:17:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ToaJ-0002NE-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:17:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:49:19 GMT Message-Id: <122109@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Missing font substitution X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is this a way of finding an obscure font in a large document eg, making >it say dingbats or freehand or some other font that is totally different >and easy to find. Yes. There's a lot of scope for doing things by direct editing of DDL files. But do be careful. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 14 01:53:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122260 for opro ; Tue, 14 Mar 100 01:53:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952996730:20:20666:28; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:18:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020681; 14 Mar 2000 1:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30051 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:47:22 GMT Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30046 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:47:17 GMT Received: from auric.ihug.co.nz (p4-max1.puk.ihug.co.nz [203.109.200.196]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id NAA28210 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:47:11 +1300 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:47:42 +0100 (BST) From: Frank Lester Subject: Colour Laser Printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I wish to print from OPro to a QMS Magicolor2+ Postscript colour laser. I get good results with simple line art e.g. Artworks or Draw files, but when printing digital photos or other jpeg type files I cannot achieve any result that compares favourably to those files printed from Photoshop on a PC. From the RPC the pictures are dark and over saturated. It could be I need some different colour tables for OPro. Has anyone achieved suitable results on any Colour Lasers from the RPC, and how was this achieved? I really hope I can do the printing I require whilst still remaining on the platform of my preference. -- Frank Lester "Omahanui" Waitangi Falls Road RD1 Waiuku,New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 14 14:03:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122282 for opro ; Tue, 14 Mar 100 14:03:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953004723:20:01396:20; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:32:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106146; 14 Mar 2000 3:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30415 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 02:54:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30410 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 02:54:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12UhTs-0002bK-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 02:54:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 02:17:52 GMT Message-Id: <122271@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour Laser Printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I wish to print from OPro to a QMS Magicolor2+ Postscript colour laser. I >get good results with simple line art e.g. Artworks or Draw files, but >when printing digital photos or other jpeg type files I cannot achieve any >result that compares favourably to those files printed from Photoshop on a >PC. From the RPC the pictures are dark and over saturated. I know a man who has the same printer as you... I often tell people to look back the mail list archives, and they always say its much more fun to reinvent the wheel. But since we had such a picnic with this printer I think I must prevail. Attached below is the conclusion of the saga. You can look back in the Jan and Feb 2000 archives for more. Bottom line is get the screening right. >It could be I need some different colour tables for OPro. In the usual sense I think not, because the tables in OPro are for converting RGB to CMYK which you won't be doing. Presumeably you drive this printer in RGB mode via PostScript and it should be calibrated intenally. ============================================================================= >From: Mr R O Davis >After extensive correspondence on this topic about a month ago, >I have found a new but connected problem. >The original problem was that documents with coloured pictures >(sprites or jpegs) originally prepared on v252 would not print >with correct colouring on v256. We've now resolved this saga, it seems the trouble is postscript screening. One version is putting screen commands in the output and the other is not. 2.57 bug fixed various problems with this. The trouble was that in some situations where screen commands had not been explicitly set on or off they would not consistently default to either setting. See NewDocs.Bugs257 or NewDocs.Summary for more. ============================================================================== David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 16 01:57:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122412 for opro ; Thu, 16 Mar 100 01:57:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953169543:10:20212:19; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:19:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102708; 16 Mar 2000 1:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02693 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:30:58 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02688 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:30:53 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p48.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.178]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23521 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:11:27 +1300 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:35:18 +1200 (GMT) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Maillist To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has this list gone strangely quiet for the past few days, or have I been missing postings? There only seems to have been two since sunday ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - COSMETIC BRAIN SURGERY -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 16 12:29:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122426 for opro ; Thu, 16 Mar 100 12:29:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953202572:20:29952:21; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:29:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029023; 16 Mar 2000 10:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03651 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:45:36 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03646 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:45:33 GMT Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FRI00K39DRW0W@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:45:33 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:40:52 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: Maillist In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <62a81ca049.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Dan McCarthy wrote: > Has this list gone strangely quiet for the past few days, or have I been > missing postings? > > There only seems to have been two since sunday same here: 1 on 14th 3 on 9th 2 on 8th 1 on 6th .... quite quiet grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 16 14:22:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122435 for opro ; Thu, 16 Mar 100 14:22:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953212958:10:04935:19; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:22:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004774; 16 Mar 2000 13:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04073 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:38:12 GMT Received: from lintilla.stayfree.co.uk (IDENT:root@host213-1-180-95.btinternet.com [213.1.180.95]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04068 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:38:09 GMT Received: from btinternet.com (owl.affection.ca [192.168.3.7]) by lintilla.stayfree.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11302 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:05:21 GMT Message-ID: <38D0B2BC.E5178CD8@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:09:00 +0000 From: Alan Esplen Organization: Alan Esplen Graphic Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Maillist References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dan , I have had no messages either. Alan Dan McCarthy wrote: > > Has this list gone strangely quiet for the past few days, or have I been missing > postings? > > There only seems to have been two since sunday > > ------- > Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. > danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz ------------------------------------------ Alan Esplen Graphic Design Great Waltham Essex England Visit my home pages at: http://www.btinternet.com/~a.esplen Meccano pages At: http://www.btinternet.com/~a.esplen/mecc.htm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 16 17:39:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122447 for opro ; Thu, 16 Mar 100 17:39:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953226462:10:12909:275; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:07:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111096; 16 Mar 2000 16:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04612 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:19:07 GMT Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [32.97.166.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04607 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:18:58 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.81.41]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000031616184523900l3k7ee>; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:18:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:08:50 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Maillist To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 16 Mar, Dan McCarthy wrote: > Has this list gone strangely quiet for the past few days, or have I > been missing postings? > > There only seems to have been two since sunday Just too busy reading the Photodesk mail. ;-) -- ---------------- Hogar Dulce Hogar con RISC OS ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 16 21:27:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122455 for opro ; Thu, 16 Mar 100 21:27:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953233284:11:05262:27; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:01:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105070; 16 Mar 2000 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04910 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:18:47 GMT Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04905 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:18:45 GMT Received: from modem-12.aragorn.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.118.12] helo=default) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12Ver6-0006xf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:18:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01bf8f74$28197ac0$0c76883e@default> From: "Sheila" To: References: Subject: Re: Maillist Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:19:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Would suspect a problem somewhere along the line as I have not received any OvPro messages either. Any Techie around got any answers? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan McCarthy" To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:35 AM Subject: Maillist > Has this list gone strangely quiet for the past few days, or have I been missing > postings? > > There only seems to have been two since sunday > > ------- > Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. > danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz > > THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - COSMETIC BRAIN SURGERY > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 01:30:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122474 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 01:29:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953245085:10:11999:27; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:18:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108271; 16 Mar 2000 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05672 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:02:45 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05667 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:02:43 GMT Received: from modem-139.south-dakota.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.92.139] helo=jaycee) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12ViLr-00071Y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:02:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:58:58 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Colour charts Message-ID: <613b60a049.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro As a new user I don't want to re-invent the wheel, so - Has anyone come up with an applet or other method which will print a colour chart - not the values the actual colours. Thanks JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 01:30:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122475 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 01:29:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953244620:20:04330:34; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:10:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108160; 16 Mar 2000 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05611 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:54:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05606 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:54:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ViDe-000FTa-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:54:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:33:54 GMT Message-Id: <122469@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Maillist X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The opro list mail I've had on one account has not been the same mail as >I've received on the other. Very odd! You (and anyone who is worried about missing postings) can look at the archived mail list on the barnet ftp site. This is updated message by message. I had a look and all the postings I've had were there, and there weren't any extra ones. Maybe you could explain further. >everyone writes far too much >and I end up swamped with 40 or 50 emails at a time, half of which >were never necessary; a natural pause comes mercifully along, and >blow me! the junkies are getting nervous about it! Like particles spontaneously appearing out of the vacuum. Shall I reveal you double posted that message? 8-) (they both got bounced for containing a taboo word "sub'ing") Perhaps I should say what I'm up to... I've got bogged down in scanner trouble. By some strange coincidence problems have cropped up on about 4 different new scanners, and I'm having to work my way through them. That means OPro 2.59 is delayed. All being well it should be out in a couple of weeks or so. It will have a load of bug fixes, and one major new feature. Automatic pargraph numbering and bullets. This latter feature has been promised for a long time - anyone remember Beebug demoing it at the Acorn show in 1995? (and yes I've made the changes someone suggested then). Anyway, touch wood, , this time its going to happen. There's also been a bug fix release of SparkFS - 1.37, available on my web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 01:30:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122476 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 01:30:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953245351:10:19001:23; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:22:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019265; 16 Mar 2000 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05596 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:54:12 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05410 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:53:28 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12VhGm-000AGk-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:53:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:52:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Maillist To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 16 Mar, Dan McCarthy wrote: > Has this list gone strangely quiet for the past few days, or have I been missing > postings? > > There only seems to have been two since sunday I don't believe it (hear Meldrew saying this!) Here am I considering unsubscribing from this list because everyone writes far too much and I end up swamped with 40 or 50 emails at a time, half of which were never necessary; a natural pause comes mercifully along, and blow me! the junkies are getting nervous about it! Naturally, I don't want to miss the real stuff. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 01:30:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122478 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 01:30:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953245370:10:19979:17; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:22:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119850; 16 Mar 2000 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05604 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:54:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05131 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:26:44 GMT Received: from abbeyvision.demon.co.uk ([212.229.188.138]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Vfut-0004je-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:26:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:28:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Knight Subject: Re: Maillist To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <38D0B2BC.E5178CD8@btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Abbey Vision X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 16 Mar, Alan Esplen wrote: > Dan , > I have had no messages either. I am in the process of changing ISPs so two days ago subscribed to ovationpro with the new account and haven't yet unsubbscribed from the old one. The opro list mail I've had on one account has not been the same mail as I've received on the other. Very odd! -- Malcolm David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From pbready@net.ntl.com Fri Mar 17 13:13:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122490 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 13:13:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953278494:10:08484:0; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:34:54 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net ([194.168.222.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103818; 17 Mar 2000 7:34 GMT Received: from NTL ([212.250.143.31]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA23953 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:16:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:15:54 GMT From: Pete Bready To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Maillist Message-ID: References: <122469@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <122469@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Return-Receipt-To: pbready@net.ntl.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R > > That means OPro 2.59 is delayed. All being well it should be out in a couple > of weeks or so. It will have a load of bug fixes, and one major new feature. > Automatic pargraph numbering and bullets. Yippee - I came across some early OPro brochure on which this was promised only a week or so back - who says telepathy doesn't work! Are we still on track for OPro 3 (or whatever) that was going to be issued on CD with lots of goodies and a simplified upgrading/protection system? As has been said many times before, it's about time we started paying for some of these significant enhancements, irrespective of when they were first promised! Although what's left on the non-professional side - guide and repeating frames, frame styles, integral contents and indexing (so they goa little faster than the albeit admirable applets), tables, footnotes, fit option for text within a frame,... Keep up the good work and best wishes, -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 13:13:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122492 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 13:13:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953281054:11:04258:18; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:17:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005388; 17 Mar 2000 8:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07089 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:49:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA07084 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:49:12 GMT Received: from userca50.uk.uudial.com (62.188.150.118) [62.188.150.118] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12VrVP-0005v4-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:49:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:40:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Colour charts Message-ID: <49a0640770robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <613b60a049.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <613b60a049.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <613b60a049.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk>, John Charman wrote: > As a new user I don't want to re-invent the wheel, so - > Has anyone come up with an applet or other method which will print a > colour chart - not the values the actual colours. > Thanks > JayCee I don't think so - I'd like one too. However, there are a number of colour charts (including one created by me) on the alternative Ovation site that will probably help. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 19:30:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122518 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 19:30:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953321318:10:10259:17; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:28:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010129; 17 Mar 2000 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08321 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:45:30 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08316 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:45:28 GMT Received: from modem-243.utah.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.95.243] helo=jaycee) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12W1kS-0001NH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:45:26 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:40:07 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Colour charts + Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have produced a colour chart containing every mix of cyan, magenta and yellow in 5% stages. I am also making up a document to print them all as I find it a lot easier choosing colours if I can see what they will be like on my printer. If anyone wants a copy of either email me direct and I will send one or both. Now my question: I have changed my button bar to my liking three times now, each time I have save the macro file, saved choices and preferences and each time the next time I open a file it comes up with the original default button bar - help!! JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 20:59:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122526 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 20:59:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953325449:10:05952:17; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:37:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005358; 17 Mar 2000 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08570 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:05:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08565 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:05:37 GMT Received: from usercb72.uk.uudial.com (62.188.150.239) [62.188.150.239] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12W303-0000Kp-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:05:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:07:32 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Colour charts + Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 19 Mar 2000 (18:40:07), jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > I have produced a colour chart containing every mix of cyan, magenta > and yellow in 5% stages. > > I am also making up a document to print them all as I find it a lot > easier choosing colours if I can see what they will be like on my > printer. > > If anyone wants a copy of either email me direct and I will send one or > both. > > > Now my question: > I have changed my button bar to my liking three times now, each time I > have save the macro file, saved choices and preferences and each time > the next time I open a file it comes up with the original default > button bar - help!! > > JayCee Hi When you have done your button bar go into menu, first item File, go across file and down to last item Save Default. Now you have got what you want. Cheers Bryan. > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 21:47:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122529 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 21:47:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953328731:10:12530:17; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:32:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012473; 17 Mar 2000 21:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08788 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:04:24 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08783 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:04:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12W3uw-000Obq-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:04:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:00:01 GMT Message-Id: <122527@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour charts + X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have changed my button bar to my liking three times now, each time I >have save the macro file, saved choices and preferences and each time >the next time I open a file it comes up with the original default button >bar - help!! The contents of the button bar and its configuration are saved by saving the macros. i.e. open the Macros window and click on save. It is not saved from choices, preferences or the default document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 21:47:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122530 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 21:47:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953328311:20:13821:18; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:25:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110704; 17 Mar 2000 21:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08716 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:53:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08710 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:53:34 GMT Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12W3kQ-000Cag-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:53:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:49:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Styles Message-ID: <49a0ddb426mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Forgive a 'new boy' but this is driving me mad! I have set up a style called Sub Heading to be Homerton, 16pt, Bold. If I select the part I want as the first sub heading and click Styles>Sub Heading, all is well - the text indeed changes to Homerton, 16pt, Bold. When I select the next part and click Styles>Sub Heading, the text changes to Homerton, 16pt. i.e. it loses the bold. Any ideas why? (I know I can click on bold on the info bar at the bottom of the window, but that's cheating!) -- Mick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 22:28:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122533 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 22:28:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953331738:10:20483:17; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:22:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020438; 17 Mar 2000 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09082 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:54:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09077 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:54:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12W4gI-0001Nj-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:53:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:48:31 GMT Message-Id: <122531@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Styles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I select the next part and click Styles>Sub Heading, the text >changes to Homerton, 16pt. i.e. it loses the bold. Any ideas why? (I know >I can click on bold on the info bar at the bottom of the window, but >that's cheating!) One obvious catch is that you can have a local effect of "not bold", much as you might have a local effect of "bold". Because local effects are always applied on top of any styles, such a "not bold" effect would cause the problem you see. I'd have a play with the "remove local effects" option on the problem text. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 23:06:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122535 for opro ; Fri, 17 Mar 100 23:06:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953333729:20:07848:20; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:55:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107557; 17 Mar 2000 22:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09193 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:26:24 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09188 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:26:22 GMT Received: from nthom.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.75]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12W5CH-000Mcx-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:26:21 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by nthom.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:25:27 GMT Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:24:17 +0000 From: Norman Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Maillist Message-ID: <49A0E662A9%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <122469@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41c for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <122469@pilling.demon.co.uk> David wrote: > All being well (OvPro 2.59) should be out in a couple of weeks or so. It > will have a load of bug fixes, and one major new feature. Automatic > pargraph numbering and bullets. > > This latter feature has been promised for a long time - anyone remember Beebug > demoing it at the Acorn show in 1995? (and yes I've made the changes someone suggested then). > David: wonderful news. Please don't let anything distract you from paragraph numbers and bullets. I have in front of me now a letter from John Wallace, Beebug, dated 5th August 1996 telling me that it was planned to 're-introduce' numbering and bullets at the end of 1996. -- Norman Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From auric@ihug.co.nz Sat Mar 18 03:25:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122554 for opro ; Sat, 18 Mar 100 03:25:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953345846:10:23728:0; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:17:26 GMT Received: from tk1.ihug.co.nz ([203.29.160.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116401; 18 Mar 2000 2:17 GMT Received: from auric.ihug.co.nz (p7-max1.puk.ihug.co.nz [203.109.200.199]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id PAA12834 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:17:09 +1300 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:17:52 +0100 (BST) From: Frank Lester Subject: Re: Colour Laser Printing To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk In-Reply-To: <122271@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Status: R On Tue 14 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I wish to print from OPro to a QMS Magicolor2+ Postscript colour laser. I > >get good results with simple line art e.g. Artworks or Draw files, but > >when printing digital photos or other jpeg type files I cannot achieve any > >result that compares favourably to those files printed from Photoshop on a > >PC. From the RPC the pictures are dark and over saturated. > > I know a man who has the same printer as you... I often tell > people to look back the mail list archives, and they always say its > much more fun to reinvent the wheel. But since we had such a picnic > with this printer I think I must prevail. Attached below is the conclusion > of the saga. > > You can look back in the Jan and Feb 2000 archives for more. Bottom line > is get the screening right. > > > >It could be I need some different colour tables for OPro. > > In the usual sense I think not, because the tables in OPro are > for converting RGB to CMYK which you won't be doing. > > Presumeably you drive this printer in RGB mode via PostScript and > it should be calibrated intenally. > > > ============================================================================= > > > >From: Mr R O Davis > >After extensive correspondence on this topic about a month ago, > >I have found a new but connected problem. > >The original problem was that documents with coloured pictures > >(sprites or jpegs) originally prepared on v252 would not print > >with correct colouring on v256. > > > We've now resolved this saga, it seems the trouble is postscript > screening. One version is putting screen commands in the output > and the other is not. > > 2.57 bug fixed various problems with this. The trouble was that > in some situations where screen commands had not been explicitly > set on or off they would not consistently default to either setting. > > See NewDocs.Bugs257 or NewDocs.Summary for more. > > > ============================================================================== Hi David, I've looked in the archives but found nothing relevant in Jan or Feb. I have since tried using OPro 2.58 with an old (OPro 2.55) colour supplement. This may cause other problems down stream that I haven't noticed yet, but it does print the graphics correctly. If I put the new correct Colour Supp. in V2.58 I get the printing problem. In each case (and in the previously mentioned problems, I am creating a new document with new import of graphics, be they Artworks or Jpeg, each time I try the various versions of OPro. In other words I am not trying to load a document created on a previous version into a newer version of OPro. We may have been at cross purposes before. Hope this is useful to you. Regards - Frank Lester "Omahanui" Waitangi Falls Road RD1 Waiuku,New Zealand From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 18 13:18:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122559 for opro ; Sat, 18 Mar 100 13:18:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953381284:20:05988:17; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:08:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103176; 18 Mar 2000 12:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10676 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:53:28 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10671 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:53:26 GMT Received: from modem-222.louisiana.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.69.222] helo=jaycee) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12WHnJ-00035P-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:53:25 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:38:17 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Button Bar Message-ID: <0fc036a249.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to all those who responded to my button bar query. I have already tried (but also retried) all the suggestions including one form David himself about saving the macro file. None seem to work. Briefly I have just tried it all again and with OP loaded I changed the button bar, saving it from the macro window and agreeing when it asked about overwriting the default macro file. However, after four hours messing about this morning I have actually discovered the culprit - it is a file called 'multirow' inside te AutoRun directory, how it got there, no-one knows but removing it from the directory makes everything work as it should - phew! By the way I will be sending the colourchart files to all those who asked but the pages will take a while longer. I am working on them but due to the numbers involved I have had to make a seperate page for each 5% value of yellow, there are then 452 colours on each of the 21 pages. I will send them as soon as I can make them but be warned each page is nearly 2Mb even in squashed format, why it is so large I have no idea, maybe because there are nearly 457 frames on each page!! JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 18 13:18:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122560 for opro ; Sat, 18 Mar 100 13:18:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953378323:11:20246:17; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:18:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119609; 18 Mar 2000 11:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10457 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:47:45 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10452 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:47:37 GMT Received: from modem-160.tennessee.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.93.160] helo=jaycee) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12WGlc-000457-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:47:37 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:26:53 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour charts + Message-ID: <54cde8a149.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > I have changed my button bar to my liking three times now, each time I > > have save the macro file, saved choices and preferences and each time > > the next time I open a file it comes up with the original default > > button bar - help!! > > > > JayCee > Hi > When you have done your button bar go into menu, first item File, go across > file and down to last item Save Default. > Now you have got what you want. > Cheers Bryan. Thanks Bryan, I have tried that. What now happens is that if I just click for a new document I get the original bars but if I load by clicking on the default doc in the resources directory I get mine - somehow it seems to be picking up a default from somewhere else and I can't find out where! JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 18 13:19:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122561 for opro ; Sat, 18 Mar 100 13:18:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953383431:20:03072:19; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:43:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002471; 18 Mar 2000 12:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10780 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:15:49 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10775 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:15:47 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06622 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:15:47 GMT Message-ID: <36CE74FB.33C306B8@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:40:27 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SOI, University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiscStation Lite References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have been using an A3010 for many years now. The 4 meg memory limit has become a real problem. Yesterday my new RiskStation Light 16 megs arrived. I would like to transfer Ov Pro to my new computer. Is it OK, David, to keep it on my original system, for say 2 weeks?, until I have got everything working ok? Has anyone noted any problems in transferring to OS4?. I also purchased the ANT internet suite & modem. Has anyone advice about which internet provider to use? When I get an home address can I register both with the List? Thanking you John -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 18 16:01:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122575 for opro ; Sat, 18 Mar 100 16:01:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953391933:10:19442:23; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:05:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114531; 18 Mar 2000 15:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11214 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:36:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11209 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:36:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12WKLM-0000DU-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:36:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:31:55 GMT Message-Id: <122567@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiscStation Lite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I would like to transfer Ov Pro to my new computer. Is it OK, >David, to keep it on my original system, for say 2 weeks?, until >I have got everything working ok? Yes, no problem... >Has anyone noted any problems in transferring to OS4?. As far as OPro is concerned, see the list below. OvationPro and RISC OS 4 Problems --------------------------------- (1) Transloaders Symptom: When loading pictures or RTF, text or Impression DDF files there is a crash. Although OvationPro continues to be on the icon bar. Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro illegally accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders and replace the !Server file inside them with the new one available from the OvationPro web site File Library page. (2) Impulse Symptom: Attempting to use the Impulse protocol to do a mail merge e.g. from the Impact database results in a crash of OvationPro. Solution: The Impulse applet has a bug in it. Get version 1.02 from the OvationPro web site Applets page. (3) Script language crashes Symptom: When compiling script language code which should produce an error, OvationPro crashes with a "trap in trap handler" error. Note this fits quite a wide range of situations, it might be an applet with an error in a script file loaded during program startup, it might be a typing mistake in a macro definition and that macro will only be compiled when you press a key or click on the button bar. Solution: The RISC OS 4 DDEUtils module 1.59 has a bug in it. It will cause this crash if there is no 'throwback' handler registered. So one workaround is to have a throwback handler present - i.e. have something like the Zap editor running and set up for throwback. Another alternative is to *unplug the DDEUtils module, on older versions of RISC OS it was not loaded by default. Yet another alternative would be to load the DDEUtils module from an older version of RISC OS. A fixed DDEUtils module is available from RISC OS Ltd. as part of a collection of patches for RISC OS 4. (4) Missing ticks Symptom: A Euro symbol appears to the left of loaded dictionaries in the Load/edit/create dictionaries window. Solution: Upgrade to OvationPro 2.55. (5) Drawing frames or lines. Symptom: When using the frame/line drawing tool with straight or curved segments, it is not possible to complete drawing by a double click Solution: Upgrade to OvationPro 2.57. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 18:34:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122620 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 18:34:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953463876:10:08924:18; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:04:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008689; 19 Mar 2000 11:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13295 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:29:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13290 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:29:40 GMT Received: from userj988.uk.uudial.com (194.69.100.73) [194.69.100.73] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Wcxn-0002qg-00; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:29:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:16:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Crop picture to frame Message-ID: <49a1ab6892owlart@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm sure this has a simple answer, but I'm currently 250miles away from my OvPro manual :-( Is there any way to crop a picture to the frame? I've got several images which I've resized and repositioned within a frame, and now I'd like to crop out everything outside the frame. I've tried entering values when using the crop tool, but nothing happens. -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 18:34:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122622 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 18:34:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953474484:10:10726:17; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:01:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010658; 19 Mar 2000 14:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13794 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:32:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13789 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:32:13 GMT Received: from useri588.uk.uudial.com (194.69.106.198) [194.69.106.198] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12WfoR-0002M9-00; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:32:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tjc To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:29:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Draw file not printing correctly Message-ID: <49a1bd23c8tjc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have just upgraded to RISCOS4. I've now noticed that I cannot print properly a document containing a draw file dropped into a circular frame. When printed (via HP TurboDriver), the colours are either changed or reversed. The same draw file dropped into a *square* frame prints normally. Am I doing something wrong, or is there a problem due to RISCOS4, my OPro set-up or TurboDrivers (or a combination of the three) ? Tim C. -- _____________________________ Tim Chambers / ___ Colchester, UK / | | |\/| timc@argonet.co.uk / | | | | _____________________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 18:34:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122628 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 18:34:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953491119:10:26094:18; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:38:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025911; 19 Mar 2000 18:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14532 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:22:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14527 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:22:16 GMT Received: from usercj88.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.31) [62.188.154.31] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12WkL9-00002u-00; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:22:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: Ovation Pro ctrb Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:21:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Fwd: Manipulating Mail Merge Data Message-ID: <49a1d7dc2bbadger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi All (and particularly David), I've been experimenting with Mail Merge Data Manipulation. I set up some of the fields for my address label document along the lines of {macv=merge_strip(4,9)} where fields 1 to 3 are Title,Forename,Surname, all on the first line, and 4 to 9 are the address each on a separate line (followed by field 99 as Next Record). I have only set up the {macv=... function for fields 4 to 9. (I tried setting up all of them, but it didn't solve the following problem.) If there is data in each of fields 1 to 3, then the 'strip' function seems to work OK. However, if any of these first three fields are blank, the first line of the address (field 4) is stripped. Is this a variant of what's described in the following paragraph from the !ReadMe file? If so, will the 'fix' for this sort out the problem I've described? >Note that any trailing fields are generated as a single space ' ', this >is because OvationPro 2.48 only uses the field value if it is not equal >to the null string. This behaviour will change in later versions. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 18:34:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122629 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 18:34:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953487360:20:05961:17; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:36:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005939; 19 Mar 2000 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14242 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:07:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14237 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:07:27 GMT Received: from useray44.uk.uudial.com (localhost) [62.188.139.134] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12WjAj-0004kN-00; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:07:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:05:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Printing bug Message-ID: <49a1d0da45mfraser@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have put a Zip file containing an Ovation document that I'm having problems printing out. The URL is http://www.fraz.ndo.co.uk/Downloads/Birthday.zip Whenever I try to print it out, a window appears with just the background image inside it and I have to do an Alt-Break to get control back. From a few experiments I have done, there appears to be a bug in the graphics processing routines when combined with an image rotation. -- Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. I know, and if she calls, I'm not here. ______________________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mark.fraser@ukgateway.net www.mark.fraser.ukgateway.net | \/ | Somerset /Using !Pluto on an Acorn SA RISC PC ICQ:19835705 | |___________/You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 18:34:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122631 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 18:34:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953490739:20:19535:27; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:32:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019509; 19 Mar 2000 18:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14439 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:03:55 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14434 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:03:53 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26072 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:03:52 GMT Message-ID: <36D0181B.A251661E@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:28:43 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SOI, University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiscStation Lite References: <122567@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Thanks David, I read your email earlier today. I installed Ovpro 2.52(for future upgrades )& 2.55. When running either, after the beebug boot message appears, an error window opens. This is:- File name 'RmStore.ImageExtend' not recognisied. The floppy light then flashes for about 1 minuit then OvPro loads OK. Whow! is it better with 16 megs. I am just down loding the transloders. My earlied attempt file seem to have been scrambled. David Pilling wrote: > > >I would like to transfer Ov Pro to my new computer. Is it OK, > >David, to keep it on my original system, for say 2 weeks?, until > >I have got everything working ok? > > Yes, no problem... > > >Has anyone noted any problems in transferring to OS4?. > > As far as OPro is concerned, see the list below. > > OvationPro and RISC OS 4 Problems > --------------------------------- > > (1) Transloaders > > Symptom: When loading pictures or RTF, text or Impression DDF files there is > a crash. Although OvationPro continues to be on the icon bar. > > Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro illegally > accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders and replace the > !Server file inside them with the new one available from the OvationPro web > site File Library page. > > (2) Impulse > > Symptom: Attempting to use the Impulse protocol to do a mail merge e.g. from > the Impact database results in a crash of OvationPro. > > Solution: The Impulse applet has a bug in it. Get version 1.02 from the > OvationPro web site Applets page. > > (3) Script language crashes > > Symptom: When compiling script language code which should produce an error, > OvationPro crashes with a "trap in trap handler" error. > > Note this fits quite a wide range of situations, it might be an applet with > an error in a script file loaded during program startup, it might be a > typing mistake in a macro definition and that macro will only be compiled > when you press a key or click on the button bar. > > Solution: The RISC OS 4 DDEUtils module 1.59 has a bug in it. It will cause > this crash if there is no 'throwback' handler registered. So one workaround > is to have a throwback handler present - i.e. have something like the Zap > editor running and set up for throwback. Another alternative is to *unplug > the DDEUtils module, on older versions of RISC OS it was not loaded by > default. Yet another alternative would be to load the DDEUtils module from > an older version of RISC OS. A fixed DDEUtils module is available from > RISC OS Ltd. as part of a collection of patches for RISC OS 4. > > (4) Missing ticks > > Symptom: A Euro symbol appears to the left of loaded dictionaries in the > Load/edit/create dictionaries window. > > Solution: Upgrade to OvationPro 2.55. > > (5) Drawing frames or lines. > > Symptom: When using the frame/line drawing tool with straight or curved > segments, it is not possible to complete drawing by a double click > > Solution: Upgrade to OvationPro 2.57. > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 18:34:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122635 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 18:34:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953499352:20:07939:31; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:55:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120171; 19 Mar 2000 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14915 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:14:24 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14910 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:14:22 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-2.access.ch [212.161.129.2]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09486 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:14:17 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:12:45 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Crop picture to frame To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <49a1ab6892owlart@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA14911 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB14915 On Sun 19 Mar, Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > I'm sure this has a simple answer, but I'm currently 250miles away from > my OvPro manual :-( Good thing. You do not need it! For what you want. > Is there any way to crop a picture to the frame? If I understand you correctly you want to **permanently** crop the original picture. There are 2 solutions: 1. use the program by which the picture was created; 2. use Paint's Snapshot facility on your OvPro document at 100% resolution to grab a new picture (not 100% foolproof...) >> > crop out everything outside the frame. I've tried entering values when > using the crop tool, but nothing happens. As should be. OvPro may NOT change imported pictures, only the original program can do this. What OvPro does with cropping is limiting the visible area to be printed. Which also results in resizing the area you see in a frame to fit in that frame. But if you resize the frame making it bigger, you'll see that the original picture is still there.=20 Having cropped a picture, select the Select tool and have a look at the Scale mentioned. You might need to click on the writable icon and move the caret to read the exact number. Now select the Crop tool again. The "Crop picture" Info palette will appear with empty icons for X, Y, W=A0and=A0H. Move the pointer over the picture, click and hold Select and while dragging look at the info on the Info palette. Lots of info... Yes, you can even drag outside of the picture frame. Resulting in a down-sizing of the original "crop". This reminds me to check what is stated in the manual. Thanks for that! JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) =2E -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 18:34:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122639 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 18:34:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953506341:20:27310:24; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:52:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107904; 19 Mar 2000 22:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15265 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:30:13 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15260 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:30:06 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip49 [129.69.189.49]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id XAA05591 for In-Reply-To: <49a1d0da45mfraser@argonet.co.uk> References: <49a1d0da45mfraser@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49a1d0da45mfraser@argonet.co.uk>, Mark Fraser wrote: [snip] > Whenever I try to print it out, a window appears with just the > background image inside it and I have to do an Alt-Break to get > control back. From a few experiments I have done, there appears to be > a bug in the graphics processing routines when combined with an image > rotation. I've just downloaded at tried it here. Worked without any problems. That's with OvationPro 2.58 and RISC OS 4.02. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 2/3 of us are poor at division. The other half can't add. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 18:35:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122647 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 18:35:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953576599:10:19761:226; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:23:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028718; 20 Mar 2000 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17743 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:53:34 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17737 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:53:31 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-107.access.ch [212.161.130.235]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07400 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:53:27 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:52:07 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Fwd: Manipulating Mail Merge Data To: Ovation Pro ctrb In-Reply-To: <49a1d7dc2bbadger.set@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 19 Mar, Richard wrote: > Hi All (and particularly David), > > I've been experimenting with Mail Merge Data Manipulation. I set up some > of the fields for my address label document along the lines of snip > >Note that any trailing fields are generated as a single space ' ', this > >is because OvationPro 2.48 only uses the field value if it is not equal > >to the null string. This behaviour will change in later versions. Check the bottom line of ........!OvnPro.Library.!MergeLib It should read as follows: return((j; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:07:20 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.178.60]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <20000320130701229016tqdqe>; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:07:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:34:15 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Printing bug To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49a1d0da45mfraser@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 19 Mar, Mark Fraser wrote: > Whenever I try to print it out, a window appears with just the > background image inside it Don't quite understand what you mean by this - the only image here is the actual 'photo and hitting print just brings up the hourglass. > and I have to do an Alt-Break to get control back. From a few > experiments I have done, there appears to be a bug in the graphics > processing routines when combined with an image rotation. Anyway, first tried printing 'as is' and got inverse video printout. Spotted the trapped eof marker in the frame _under_ the image and text frames, so: 1. deleted the hidden frame from the Master page. Printed OK. 2. in the document page closed up the image's frame to equate with the image, thus releasing the trapped eof marker. Printed OK. I haven't tested with a transparent frame on top, but one conclusion is to avoid completely covering any frame. How about using Guide Lines? JW -- ---------------- Hogar Dulce Hogar con RISC OS ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 18:36:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122656 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 18:36:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953576723:20:17808:23; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:25:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017594; 20 Mar 2000 18:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17738 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:53:31 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17732 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:53:29 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-107.access.ch [212.161.130.235]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07403 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:53:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:42:35 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Styles To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <122531@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 17 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > >On Fri, 17 Mar, Mick Burrell wrote > >When I select the next part and click Styles>Sub Heading, the text > >changes to Homerton, 16pt. i.e. it loses the bold. Any ideas why? (I know > >I can click on bold on the info bar at the bottom of the window, but > >that's cheating!) > > > One obvious catch is that you can have a local effect of "not bold", > much as you might have a local effect of "bold". > > Because local effects are always applied on top of any styles, such > a "not bold" effect would cause the problem you see. > > I'd have a play with the "remove local effects" option on the problem text. One additional advice: have the Style palette applet active. Select an area of text and see what styles are shown as being used. Above all, look at the top of the list. The 2nd row states "Remove effects". If this is not greyed out, you know that an effect is present as well. Beware, it need not be one, it can be a multitude of effects. The Style palette gives you a visual indication. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 20:10:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122693 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 20:10:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953578301:20:25403:23; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:51:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103569; 20 Mar 2000 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17939 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:23:03 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17934 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:23:01 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop11-106.access.ch [212.161.131.234]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA08742 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:23:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:21:42 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Button bars; was Colour charts + To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <54cde8a149.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 19 Mar, John Charman wrote: > > > > I have changed my button bar to my liking three times now, each time I > > > have save the macro file, saved choices and preferences and each time > > > the next time I open a file it comes up with the original default > > > button bar - help!! > > > > > > JayCee > > Hi > > When you have done your button bar go into menu, first item File, go across > > file and down to last item Save Default. > > Now you have got what you want. > > Cheers Bryan. > > Thanks Bryan, I have tried that. > > What now happens is that if I just click for a new document I get the > original bars but if I load by clicking on the default doc in the > resources directory I get mine - somehow it seems to be picking up a > default from somewhere else and I can't find out where! Having changed the button bar, save the Macro's file *first*, i.e. use Menu > Misc > Macros > Save at the bottom right of the window. Then save the Default document. Mind that saving the macro file is permanent, until a new save ..., for any document you create or open afterwards. I do not believe that any document can be saved with its own Button bar. Is also not very logical. If you want different Button bar versions, one solution is to install several OvPro's on your Hard Disc, each with its own macro file. Another solution (using less disc space and more elegant), and it is mentioned somewhere, is creating different Macro files. Then depending on what you need, you run one of these files. I'll check the manual. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 21:17:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122697 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 21:17:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953584110:10:24484:18; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:28:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116484; 20 Mar 2000 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18333 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18318 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12X8YB-000N6L-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:00:03 GMT Message-Id: <122687@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing bug X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I have put a Zip file containing an Ovation document that I'm having problems >printing out. The URL is http://www.fraz.ndo.co.uk/Downloads/Birthday.zip >Whenever I try to print it out, a window appears with just the background >image inside it and I have to do an Alt-Break to get control back. From a few >experiments I have done, there appears to be a bug in the graphics processing >routines when combined with an image rotation. I think the key question here, is what sort of printer driver you are using? If its a CC Turbo driver, then give it a go on an Acorn driver e.g. Sprinter (off my web site). For CC drivers, JPEG's and the state of the 'print print pass' OvationPro print choice can be relevant. For non-rectangular frames, memory can be an issue. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 21:17:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122699 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 21:17:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953585728:20:13799:20; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:55:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014028; 20 Mar 2000 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18316 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18311 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12X8Y9-000N6L-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:54:00 GMT Message-Id: <122685@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crop picture to frame X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any way to crop a picture to the frame? Pictures are always cropped by frames... >I've got several images which I've resized and repositioned within a frame, >and now I'd like to crop out everything outside the frame. I've tried >entering values when using the crop tool, but nothing happens. Well as has been said, OPro can't permantly alter the images in documents, you do have considerable scope for twiddling the picture cropping curve in OPro, but the whole image will always remain - although hidden. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 21:17:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122700 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 21:17:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953584150:11:17591:39; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:29:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025298; 20 Mar 2000 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18337 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18327 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:22 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12X8YE-000N6L-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:06:40 GMT Message-Id: <122691@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fwd: Manipulating Mail Merge Data X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I've been experimenting with Mail Merge Data Manipulation. I set up some >of the fields for my address label document along the lines of >{macv=merge_strip(4,9)} >where fields 1 to 3 are Title,Forename,Surname, all on the first line, >and 4 to 9 are the address each on a separate line (followed by field 99 >as Next Record). I have only set up the {macv=... function for fields 4 >to 9. >If there is data in each of fields 1 to 3, then the 'strip' function >seems to work OK. However, if any of these first three fields are blank, >the first line of the address (field 4) is stripped. *Given you've done everything right*, this sounds like a bug in the merge_strip() function. perhaps you could private email me a small and simple demo of the problem. >Is this a variant of >what's described in the following paragraph from the !ReadMe file? No. Because 2.48 is ancient history and the fix came in at 2.49, and even if it wasn't fixed it wouldn't cause this problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 20 21:18:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122702 for opro ; Mon, 20 Mar 100 21:18:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953585725:11:02249:22; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:55:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028732; 20 Mar 2000 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18336 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:28 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18323 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:22 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12X8YD-000N6L-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:13:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:04:19 GMT Message-Id: <122689@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiscStation Lite X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >2.52(for future upgrades )& 2.55. When running either, after the >beebug boot message appears, an error window opens. This is:- > File name 'RmStore.ImageExtend' not recognisied. Get rid of the OArtWorks applet... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 14:09:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122741 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 14:09:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953607901:20:23584:21; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:05:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023130; 21 Mar 2000 3:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19600 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:36:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19595 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:36:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12XEWt-000FR8-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:36:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:24:24 GMT Message-Id: <122739@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing bug X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I have put a Zip file containing an Ovation document that I'm having problems >printing out. The URL is http://www.fraz.ndo.co.uk/Downloads/Birthday.zip I've now had a look at that. Its a pretty simple file. A frame rotated by 90 deg with a 250K sprite in it. It took some time to print to Laser Direct, but it did print 100% OK. (don't know what the comments from James White may mean). One comment is that a simpler (from OPro and RISC OS's point of view) way to get that output would be to have a frame and rotate the picture rather than the frame. Another simpler way is to design the page upright and then use 'sideways' on the print dialogue box. These 'simpler' ways mean less work, less to go wrong. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 14:09:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122744 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 14:09:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953634683:11:20130:35; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:31:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017099; 21 Mar 2000 10:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20282 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:24:18 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20277 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:24:16 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12333 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:24:09 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id JAA09236 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:04:51 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568A9.00335411.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:25:22 +0000 Subject: Accessing writable icons in scripts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I am having trouble accessing writable icons from a script and I wonder if anyone can help. Is there a way to find out which icon currently has focus. i.e. which icon has the caret in it. Is there a way to insert text into an icon at the point where the caret is. Thanks for any help Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 16:27:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122768 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 16:27:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953650747:20:10899:38; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:59:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127037; 21 Mar 2000 14:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21469 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:24:27 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21463 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:24:25 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id OAA22459 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m12XI6w-000fCLC; Tue, 21 Mar 100 07:25 MET Message-ID: <38D7138F.2414@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:15:43 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Characters Box References: <122739@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R One more moan about the Characters box: I type a lot of maths texts and often need characters from the MathGreek font. It's really nasty to have to open the window every time, change to the font I want, insert one character, go on typing in Trinity, open the window, change to MathGreek,... As a stop gap measure, I type all the characters I am likely to need into a small frame and copy them from there into the text. However, it would be MUCH nicer if the Characters box... -could be set to a different font (what use is having the default font of your document in the box? For that you could use any of the many Chars programs which can insert characters into OvPro; the only advantage the Characters box has is that it can also hand over the information about which font to use.) -could be set to a larger size (the antialiased characters are so small at the screen resolution I use that the "=", for example, is just a black rectangle), -could at least be made to stay on screen, if the option to pre-set a font would be too difficult to implement. Any chance of any improvement here? Cheers, Jochen Konietzko -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 18:41:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122792 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 18:41:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953663130:10:14292:31; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:25:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123635; 21 Mar 2000 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23122 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:13:32 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23115 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:13:29 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user162.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.94]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04094 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:13:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: Ovation Pro Miling List Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Printing A3 on two A4 sheets Message-ID: <49a2cec37fmarteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think I may be not seeing the wood for the trees, so to speak. I have a larger than A4 document that I want to print out on an A4 printer. That is, I think, I want to tile the ouput and then stick the bits together. How? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 19:57:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122807 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 19:57:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953666961:10:26325:20; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:29:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026176; 21 Mar 2000 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24183 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:45:21 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24170 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:45:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12XTeX-000IzM-4K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:45:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:23:21 GMT Message-Id: <122786@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Characters Box X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >it would be MUCH nicer if the Characters box... >-could be set to a different font (what use is having the default font >of your document in the box? It opens showing the current font. It may be of interest that if you do F10 (single shift font) and then F11 it will open displaying the single shift font. >-could at least be made to stay on screen, if the option to pre-set a >font would be too difficult to implement. >From 2.57 it does stay on screen as long as you click on it with Adjust. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 19:57:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122809 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 19:57:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953667675:11:13058:28; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:41:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023118; 21 Mar 2000 19:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24190 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:45:24 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24182 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:45:21 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12XTea-000IzM-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:45:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:30:50 GMT Message-Id: <122790@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Miscellanea X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Some random comments... (1) Sales of OvationPro in the post Beebug era have now passed 100 copies. (2) I saw in a MS advert yesterday that the latest greatest feature they have is 'collect and paste' which sounds (I've never seen it) akin to multiple clip boards. So it *was* a good idea (or not). (3) A long standing complaint about ArcFax is that it positions the bottom corner of the fax relative to the botton corner of the paper when printing. So if your fax pages are different sizes you don't get neat print out. I've worked out a solution, all you do is click on the invert button on the fax viewer and print the pages upside down, this positions each fax page top corner relative to the bottom corner of the paper. (4) Has anyone got a copy of the Ace printer driver palette editor program? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 19:58:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122811 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 19:58:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953667917:10:02631:17; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:45:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119379; 21 Mar 2000 19:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24188 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:45:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24175 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:45:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12XTeY-000IzM-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:45:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:25:34 GMT Message-Id: <122788@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Accessing writable icons in scripts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a way to find out which icon currently has focus. >i.e. which icon has the caret in it. >From within OPro I think not. Clearly there is a wimp swi to do this, so the game would be to wrap it up in a sub program (basic or module) you can call. Also OPro has facilties for calling swis you could perhaps use those. >Is there a way to insert text into an icon at the point where >the caret is. fx138,0, inserts in the keyboard buffer. If you know the icon and it is in OPro you can use the writeicon() function. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 19:58:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122812 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 19:58:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953668627:10:28024:22; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:57:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028119; 21 Mar 2000 19:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24294 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:02:20 GMT Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24289 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:02:18 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.160] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12XTuw-0005v4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:02:14 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:00:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:01:51 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Characters Box Message-ID: <7832e3a249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38D7138F.2414@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "J. Konietzko" wrote: > One more moan about the Characters box: I type a lot of maths texts and > often need characters from the MathGreek font. > It's really nasty to have to open the window every time, change to the > font I want, insert one character, go on typing in Trinity, open the > window, change to MathGreek,... > Any chance of any improvement here? > In the meantime if you know the position of your most used characters you could set the MathGreek font to be your single shift font in choices. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 20:28:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122822 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 20:28:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953669606:20:25365:36; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:13:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116757; 21 Mar 2000 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24413 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:18:40 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20219 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:47:02 GMT Received: from wealdcom.demon.co.uk ([212.229.199.148]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12XKJZ-000CMb-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:47:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:37:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Stuart Murden Subject: OP and acrobat distiller To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Stuart Murden ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:54:48 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.165.54]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FRS1F502.K6B for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:54:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:54:34 +0100 Subject: Characters Box Message-ID: <49a2cc8eaddelink@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] >However, it would be MUCH nicer if the Characters box... >-could be set to a different font (what use is having the default font >of your document in the box? - Pop up the Iconbar menu - choose Choices... - Choose Text - Single shift font - choose MathGreek - Push Save - Reload your document - Press F10 when you are about to type a Greek character - Press F11 and see MathGreek displayed - Click with Adjust as long as you want the window to stay on screen. I can't think of an easier or quicker way to insert different characters. By the way, all this is clearly described in the manual. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 20:28:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122824 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 20:28:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953669617:20:25821:17; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:13:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025730; 21 Mar 2000 20:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24396 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:18:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24391 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:18:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12XUAg-0003Zc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:18:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:44:40 GMT Message-Id: <122794@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing A3 on two A4 sheets X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a larger than A4 document that I want to print out on an A4 printer. >That is, I think, I want to tile the ouput and then stick the bits together. >How? use the 'tile' print format. Which requires that you have it installed (usually part of the imposition applet) and that you look at the menu of print formats on the print dialogue box. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 21:45:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122839 for opro ; Tue, 21 Mar 100 21:45:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953673492:20:15768:17; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:18:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015206; 21 Mar 2000 21:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25084 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:36:09 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25079 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:36:07 GMT Received: (qmail 22570 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2000 20:36:02 -0000 Received: from userbz98.uk.uudial.com (HELO userbz98) (62.188.150.67) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2000 20:36:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:55:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Characters Box Message-ID: <49a2ccae09rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38D7138F.2414@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> References: <122739@pilling.demon.co.uk> <38D7138F.2414@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <38D7138F.2414@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de>, J. Konietzko wrote: > One more moan about the Characters box: I type a lot of maths texts and > often need characters from the MathGreek font. > It's really nasty to have to open the window every time, change to the > font I want, insert one character, go on typing in Trinity, open the > window, change to MathGreek,... If you adjust click on the characters, then the window doesn't close and you can carry on typing, go to the window, carry on typing etc. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 00:10:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122850 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 00:10:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953681477:10:15237:17; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:31:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111801; 21 Mar 2000 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25649 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:02:18 GMT Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25644 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:02:16 GMT Received: from [195.102.204.102] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12XXfA-0003hl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:02:12 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:01:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:02:25 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP and acrobat distiller Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Stuart Murden wrote: > > > Non-member submission from [Stuart Murden > > > Hi all, > > Maybe someone can help ... > I'm experimenting with OP and Acrobat and I get lovely PDF documents except > that they are black and white. > > I suspect this is more of an acrobat query as all prints out fine on the > Epson I use for general purpose 'proofing'. > You've probably forgotten to set the postscript driver to colour. Shift-click on the iconbar icon to get the configuration window and click the colour box. Colour works fine from OP with distiller. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 00:10:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122852 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 00:10:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953681536:20:04480:22; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:32:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004306; 21 Mar 2000 23:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25620 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:00:49 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25615 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:00:47 GMT Received: (qmail 28314 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2000 23:00:54 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 21 Mar 2000 23:00:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 22796 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2000 23:00:09 -0000 Received: from 86.03-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.70.86) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 21 Mar 2000 23:00:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:35:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printing A3 on two A4 sheets To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <122794@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 21 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I have a larger than A4 document that I want to print out on an A4 printer. > >That is, I think, I want to tile the ouput and then stick the bits together. > >How? > > use the 'tile' print format. > > Which requires that you have it installed (usually part of the imposition applet) > and that you look at the menu of print formats on the print dialogue box. > > I hadn't realised that tile works both ways up (as it were). Multiple small (A6) pages on a big (A4) sheet I use, but manually mess around with print position for big (A3 up) pages on smaller (A4) sheets. Must try this one. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 02:23:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122876 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 02:23:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953685396:11:03906:29; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:36:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103842; 22 Mar 2000 0:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26017 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:07:08 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26012 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:07:06 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user177.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.109]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA12721 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:07:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:02:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing A3 on two A4 sheets Message-ID: <49a2feaf53marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <122794@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <122794@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >I have a larger than A4 document that I want to print out on an A4 > >printer. That is, I think, I want to tile the ouput and then stick the > >bits together. How? > use the 'tile' print format. > Which requires that you have it installed (usually part of the > imposition applet) and that you look at the menu of print formats on the > print dialogue box. OK thnks, done that now - but.... I want a piece of artwork which is 210 high and 398 across (4/3 A4) printed with crop and printers marks in the middle of two A4 sheets which themselves are portrait and try as I might, I cannot get any combination to produce this. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 13:54:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122882 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 13:54:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953701157:11:23015:19; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:59:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122559; 22 Mar 2000 4:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26691 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:30:26 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA26686 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:30:24 GMT Received: (qmail 24292 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2000 23:00:52 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 2000 23:00:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 22791 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2000 23:00:07 -0000 Received: from 86.03-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.70.86) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 21 Mar 2000 23:00:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:32:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: OP and acrobat distiller To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 21 Mar, Stuart Murden wrote: > > Hi all, > > Maybe someone can help ... > I'm experimenting with OP and Acrobat and I get lovely PDF documents except > that they are black and white. > > I suspect this is more of an acrobat query as all prints out fine on the > Epson I use for general purpose 'proofing'. > > Any comments would be appreciated. > Are you using a postscript driver to generate PS to then convert to PDF? If so make sure it is set to be a colour device. I ran into this one yesterday when using Ghostscript to display PS. The standard Acorn PS driver has a check box option for colour which is unchecked by default. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 13:54:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122884 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 13:54:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953692898:20:18324:21; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:41:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018325; 22 Mar 2000 2:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26411 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:26:40 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26402 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:26:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Xaqz-0000U0-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:26:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:17:47 GMT Message-Id: <122871@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fwd: Manipulating Mail Merge Data X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've been experimenting with Mail Merge Data Manipulation. I set up some >of the fields for my address label document along the lines of >{macv=merge_strip(4,9)} >where fields 1 to 3 are Title,Forename,Surname, all on the first line, >and 4 to 9 are the address each on a separate line (followed by field 99 >as Next Record). I have only set up the {macv=... function for fields 4 >to 9. (I tried setting up all of them, but it didn't solve the following >problem.) >If there is data in each of fields 1 to 3, then the 'strip' function >seems to work OK. However, if any of these first three fields are blank, >the first line of the address (field 4) is stripped. The problem is that the merge_strip() function assumes that blank fields only occur in addresses. In your example there are blank fields for peoples titles and this is what is making things go wrong. merge_strip(int n,int max) always returns the nth non null field upto max. So it is counting the null title field as well as null fields in the address. You'd need something like string merge_strip2(int from,int n,int max) { int i=1; int j=0; i+=from; while(j; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:16:58 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem3171.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.140.99]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA22819; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:16:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:17:42 +0100 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: OP and acrobat distiller To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Graddol In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 22 Mar, David Graddol wrote: > Stuart Murden wrote: > You've probably forgotten to set the postscript driver to colour. > Shift-click on the iconbar icon to get the configuration window > and click the colour box. Most probably, yes. I use !Taborca; it creates nice PDF-docs. (!!!) Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Let op! Nieuw tel. & faxnummer! Tel. +31(0)70 307 2040 Fax: +31(0)70 307 2050 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail: ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail: avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail: info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage: http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 13:54:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122894 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 13:54:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953721528:11:09297:78; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:38:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104115; 22 Mar 2000 10:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27457 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:17:10 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27452 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:17:08 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10344 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:17:04 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id JAA10999 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:57:47 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568AA.00382841.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:18:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Accessing writable icons in scripts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >>Is there a way to insert text into an icon at the point where >>the caret is. >fx138,0, >inserts in the keyboard buffer. This may do wha I want. I'll have a play > If you know the icon and it >is in OPro you can use the writeicon() function. I'd tried this, but writeicon overwrites what is already there. I used readicon to read any existing text, but you can only add to the start or end not where the cursor is. I suspect the system fx route will be easier. Thanks for the help Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 15:59:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122914 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 15:59:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953736340:10:04145:118; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:45:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014371; 22 Mar 2000 14:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27980 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:06:08 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27975 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:06:05 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id OAA28850 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:19:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m12XeY9-000fBcC; Wed, 22 Mar 100 07:23 MET Message-ID: <38D8647E.7AF0@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:13:18 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Characters Box -thanks for the prompt help (no text) References: <122786@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 15:59:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122915 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 15:59:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953739758:10:26561:70; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:42:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109598; 22 Mar 2000 15:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28013 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:19:26 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27286 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:49:04 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14821 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:48:56 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19555 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:48:56 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Printing A3 on two A4 sheets Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:48:07 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <49a2feaf53marteng@intonet.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Marten Gallagher wrote: > I want a piece of artwork which is 210 high and 398 across (4/3 > A4) printed > with crop and printers marks in the middle of two A4 sheets which > themselves are portrait and try as I might, I cannot get any > combination to produce this. So you basically want a single 'overlong A4' object tiled across two A4 sheets, is that right? The tile script should do that, although the version as supplied with OP might not. There's a version of the Imposit applet on my website which corrects a bug in the printers marks/bleed. It might be worth a try. It's on http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/IT/ if you want a punt. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 18:19:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122933 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 18:18:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953747669:20:09223:20; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:54:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009082; 22 Mar 2000 17:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28620 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:26:51 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28614 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:26:48 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26514 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:26:43 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id RAA20315 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:07:28 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568AA.005F97BD.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:28:01 +0000 Subject: Bug in paste chapter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just noticed that if you paste a chapter to an existing document it doesn't mark the document as modified. i.e. no * in the window title and no warning if you close the document without saving. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 18:19:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122934 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 18:18:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953748863:11:21893:307; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:14:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008361; 22 Mar 2000 17:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28535 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:11:08 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28530 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:11:06 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-130.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.130]) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20890 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:05:27 GMT Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:57:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Characters Box To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <38D7138F.2414@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 21 Mar, J. Konietzko wrote: > One more moan about the Characters box: I type a lot of maths texts and > often need characters from the MathGreek font. > It's really nasty to have to open the window every time, change to the > font I want, insert one character, go on typing in Trinity, open the > window, change to MathGreek,... I hate to say this on the OvPro list, but wouldn't you be better off using Techwriter for this purpose? It also gets all the italics, matrices, multiline characters and spacing (mostly) right for you. If you want dtp facilities as well, you can export the equations as draw and put them into an OvPro frame. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 18:19:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122937 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 18:19:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953748804:20:06383:36; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:13:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2108112; 22 Mar 2000 18:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28661 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:30:09 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28656 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:30:07 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27617 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:30:01 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id RAA20350 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:10:47 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568AA.005FF69B.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:31:21 +0000 Subject: Arrays in scripts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is it possible to use arrays of variables in scripts? If so, can you declare an array of statically initialised strings. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 18:58:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122947 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 18:58:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953749575:10:09585:67; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:26:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025698; 22 Mar 2000 17:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28529 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:11:04 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28524 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:11:02 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-130.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.130]) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20940 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:05:33 GMT Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:03:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Miscellanea To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <122790@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 21 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > (3) A long standing complaint about ArcFax is that it positions the bottom > corner of the fax relative to the botton corner of the paper when printing. > So if your fax pages are different sizes you don't get neat print out. I've > worked out a solution, all you do is click on the invert button on the fax > viewer and print the pages upside down, this positions each fax page top > corner relative to the bottom corner of the paper. > Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 19:38:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122959 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 19:38:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953752763:10:28924:17; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:19:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122967; 22 Mar 2000 19:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29239 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:03:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29234 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:03:20 GMT Received: from userek17.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.127) [62.188.13.127] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12XqPX-0006K4-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:03:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:49:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Arrays in scripts Message-ID: <49a365edbedavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <802568AA.005FF69B.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> References: <802568AA.005FF69B.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <802568AA.005FF69B.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel>, wrote: > Is it possible to use arrays of variables in scripts? > If so, can you declare an array of statically initialised > strings. > Andy Ling No. As strings can be any (?) length, I used a string to hold the 'array' conents and another string as a list of offsets when I wrote !IdxPro. The offset list made best use of memory as the other array held strings of very different lemgths, these offsets are accessed by a simple length*array_index type formula. David Breakwell > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 21:53:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122965 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 21:53:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953754507:11:06944:27; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:48:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019725; 22 Mar 2000 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29423 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:31:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29418 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:31:54 GMT Received: from userbl14.uk.uudial.com (62.188.144.121) [62.188.144.121] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12XqrA-0007hv-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:31:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:31:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Fwd: Manipulating Mail Merge Data Message-ID: <49a369b70abadger.set@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My apologies to everyone for the previous mail with attachment. I had taken great care to send it only to David privately, but my e-mail software obviously knew better than me and sent it to the distribution list instead. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 21:53:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122966 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 21:53:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953754358:20:24600:56; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:45:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101915; 22 Mar 2000 19:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29206 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:00:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29201 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:00:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12XqMu-0007lp-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:00:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:21:59 GMT Message-Id: <122938@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Arrays in scripts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro No, you cant have arrays in scripts. one common work around is to use strings. Another one is to use the tagged data functions, which effectively do give you arrays via functions, but you'd need to remember to remove them when you've finished using them. Thanks for the chapters bug... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 21:54:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122967 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 21:54:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953755734:11:10955:46; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:08:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025825; 22 Mar 2000 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29489 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:40:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29484 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:40:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Xqzn-0009y2-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:40:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:01:49 GMT Message-Id: <122950@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Miscellanea X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> (3) A long standing complaint about ArcFax is that it positions the bottom >> corner of the fax relative to the botton corner of the paper when printing. >> worked out a solution, all you do is click on the invert button on the fax >> viewer and print the pages upside down, this positions each fax page top >Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that? To show how depraved sofware developers are... the original problem was how to print a 57 page scanner command set supplied as an RTF file. Since it was full of tables and these don't come out well in OPro I used Techwriter. That loaded it very nicely, but attempts to print to my Laser Direct came up with "reserved fields must be zero". So I printed to ArcFax, and then from ArcFax to the Laser Direct. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 21:54:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122969 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 21:54:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953758454:11:18057:22; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:54:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015470; 22 Mar 2000 20:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29856 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:20:43 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29851 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:20:41 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-12.access.ch [212.161.131.12]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17454 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:20:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:47:00 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Characters Box To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <38D7138F.2414@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 21 Mar, J. Konietzko wrote: > One more moan about the Characters box: I type a lot of maths texts and > often need characters from the MathGreek font. How about setting the Single Shift Font to MathGreek? You do this via: IconbarMenu > Choices > Text > SSF If you Save the setting will be permanent for all documents you open when loading OvPro again, if you only click on OK it is valid for the present run of OvPro only. Cheers JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owlart@argonet.co.uk Wed Mar 22 21:54:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122973 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 21:54:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953760150:10:28685:0; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:22:30 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028626; 22 Mar 2000 21:22 GMT Received: from userem39.uk.uudial.com (62.188.14.93) [62.188.14.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Xsa7-00055i-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:22:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Owl-Art Un-Ltd. To: David Pilling Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:21:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Miscellanea Message-ID: <49a373d701owlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <122790@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <122790@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R In article <122790@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > (4) Has anyone got a copy of the Ace printer driver palette editor > program? Try CJE, I'm sure we've got a copy of the Ace printer drivers. Drop chris an email and he'll probably pass it on to me anyway! BTW, it is possible to get ArcFax to run from an Atomwide serial card? Cheers, -- Andy ---- (ZFC A) +--------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Andrew Conroy, Owl-Art Un-Ltd. | email: a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk | | Using an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Children taught, Computers fixed, | West Sussex. | | Design work supplied | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +--------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ The impossible I can do at once, miracles take a little longer!! From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 21:54:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122976 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 21:54:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953754482:20:28097:27; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:48:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104119; 22 Mar 2000 19:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29246 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:03:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29241 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:03:23 GMT Received: from userek17.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.127) [62.188.13.127] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12XqPZ-0006K4-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:03:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:50:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Accessing writable icons in scripts Message-ID: <49a36605a3davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <802568AA.00382841.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> References: <802568AA.00382841.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <802568AA.00382841.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel>, wrote: > I'd tried this, but writeicon overwrites what > is already there. I used readicon to read any existing > text, but you can only add to the start or end not > where the cursor is. Read the icon, append the data to the string and write it back would probably be more reliable. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 22:29:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122987 for opro ; Wed, 22 Mar 100 22:29:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953763710:10:28921:19; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:21:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129605; 22 Mar 2000 22:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30246 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:53:12 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30241 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:53:09 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-44.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.110]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15625 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:50:36 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:54:24 +1200 Subject: Re: Printing A3 on two A4 sheets Message-ID: <49a376d489tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49a2feaf53marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <122794@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49a2feaf53marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49a2feaf53marteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > I want a piece of artwork which is 210 high and 398 across (4/3 A4) > printed with crop and printers marks in the middle of two A4 sheets > which themselves are portrait and try as I might, I cannot get any > combination to produce this. Bit mucky, but... Work on an A3 page, l/s. Set yr artwork up in a centred frame with the cropmarks border. You might have to insert those mid point reg marks manually (this is the only bit I didn't do). Now print Normally (not tiled). Set x to 0 or -5, say, and y to 0. Take yr second print with x set to -195 or something. Told you it was a bit mucky. Depends how often you have to do it. You could try making up a frame border that put the reg marks in, and David did once say that getting the print border to drag around on screen was trivial ;-) tim > Slainte -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 03:09:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA122996 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 03:09:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953770293:20:09879:19; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:11:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009791; 23 Mar 2000 0:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30589 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:55:48 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30584 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:55:46 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.104.78]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA28476 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:59:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:31:33 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Miscellanea To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <122790@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 21 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > Some random comments... > > (1) Sales of OvationPro in the post Beebug era have now passed 100 copies. Well done, this is good news (2) > (3) A long standing complaint about ArcFax is that it positions the bottom > corner of the fax relative to the botton corner of the paper when printing. > So if your fax pages are different sizes you don't get neat print out. I've > worked out a solution, all you do is click on the invert button on the fax > viewer and print the pages upside down, this positions each fax page top > corner relative to the bottom corner of the paper. I am feeling smug! Been doing this for some time. Emphasises the message that there are probably lots of hints and tips out there from which others could benefit. (3) Can I ask for help? I have a fax machine at home but it uses heat sensitive paper so if someone sends me a fax, I cannot send it on somewhere else because I do not have a photocopier at home to make a plain paper copy that would pass through the fax machine. So ....I tried for the first time to receive a fax straight into my RPC 700 using !ArcFax v.1.17. Worked a treat so I was able to print out the fax to be able to add comments to it before sending it off. Question :- Is there any way that I can put the TIFF fax message which is in the RX directory into Ovation? I could then lay a transparent text frame over the image to add comments and then refax the fax? -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 13:52:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123007 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 13:52:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953783899:10:19595:18; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:58:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019575; 23 Mar 2000 3:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31053 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:28:24 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31048 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:28:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12XyIH-0000Fb-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:28:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:15:40 GMT Message-Id: <123004@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Miscellanea X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> (1) Sales of OvationPro in the post Beebug era have now passed 100 copies. >Well done, this is good news Well any road up, it is a landmark. The next one is 250. >> (3) A long standing complaint about ArcFax is that it positions the bottom >> corner of the fax relative to the botton corner of the paper when printing. >> So if your fax pages are different sizes you don't get neat print out. I've >> worked out a solution, all you do is click on the invert button on the fax >I am feeling smug! Been doing this for some time. Didn't tell anyone though, did you? >Question :- Is there any way that I can put the TIFF fax message which is >in the RX directory into Ovation? Yes, open a fax viewer on it, and click with menu, amongst the options you can save the page on view as a sprite. You can also drag on the viewer to save an area. Before doing either of these it might be best to click with menu and set the processing options to 1:1 scaling and 1bpp You could also use David Pilling's scanning software on the TIFF to convert to sprite, or the PD TIFFin. What you can't use is ChangeFSI. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 13:53:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123012 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 13:53:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953805011:20:03281:23; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:50:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002113; 23 Mar 2000 9:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31688 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:33:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA31683 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:33:29 GMT Received: from userei91.uk.uudial.com (userei91) [62.188.13.3] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Y3zY-0004sW-00; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:33:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation mail list Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:55:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Miscellanea Message-ID: <49a387710drayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <122790@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Waddell wrote: > > Question :- Is there any way that I can put the TIFF fax message which > is in the RX directory into Ovation? I could then lay a transparent > text frame over the image to add comments and then refax the fax? Click on fax to open the fax viewer. Then click in the viewer window and press F3 to save out the fax as a sprite. Drag the sprite into an Ovation Pro frame. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 13:53:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123013 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 13:53:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953806517:20:14031:20; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:15:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101972; 23 Mar 2000 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31753 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:45:27 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31748 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:45:25 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02981 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:45:20 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id JAA29373 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:26:05 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568AB.0034D81B.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:40:06 +0000 Subject: Selected text Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Thanks for all the recent help. One more question. Is it possible to copy the text between two bookmarks into a string in a script? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 16:19:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123032 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 16:19:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953824647:10:11346:57; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:17:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011609; 23 Mar 2000 15:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32545 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:25:57 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32540 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:25:55 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA05149 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:25:54 GMT Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:27:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Miscellanea To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 22 Mar, John Waddell wrote: > > I have a fax machine at home but it uses heat sensitive paper so if someone > sends me a fax, I cannot send it on somewhere else because I do not have a > photocopier at home to make a plain paper copy that would pass through the > fax machine. > We just refax it anyway - seems to work even though it is heat sensitive type. Regards Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 16:19:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123034 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 16:19:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953828302:10:27915:115; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:18:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003229; 23 Mar 2000 16:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00315 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:45:36 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00310 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:45:33 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.99.112]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA3697 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:49:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:31:28 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Miscellanea To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <123004@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 23 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > >> (1) Sales of OvationPro in the post Beebug era have now passed 100 copies. > >Well done, this is good news > > Well any road up, it is a landmark. The next one is 250. > > > >> (3) A long standing complaint about ArcFax is that it positions the bottom > >> corner of the fax relative to the botton corner of the paper when printing. > >> So if your fax pages are different sizes you don't get neat print out. I've > >> worked out a solution, all you do is click on the invert button on the fax > > >I am feeling smug! Been doing this for some time. > > Didn't tell anyone though, did you? No, thought it too straightforward, must be others around also who don't want to risk putting out a suggestion in case it is ridiculed. That was the point of my other comment that you snipped! > > > >Question :- Is there any way that I can put the TIFF fax message which is > >in the RX directory into Ovation? > > Yes, open a fax viewer on it, and click with menu, amongst the options > you can save the page on view as a sprite. You can also drag on the viewer > to save an area. Before doing either of these it might be best > to click with menu and set the processing options to 1:1 scaling and 1bpp > > > You could also use David Pilling's scanning software on the TIFF to convert to sprite, or > the PD TIFFin. What you can't use is ChangeFSI. > Thank you for this and for Ray Dawson's contibution! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 16:59:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123040 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 16:59:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953829396:10:17620:50; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:36:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012301; 23 Mar 2000 15:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32633 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:04:51 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32628 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:04:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Y9A4-0002r8-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:04:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:18:31 GMT Message-Id: <123028@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Selected text X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it possible to copy the text between two bookmarks into a >string in a script? Only the hard way, which is to read the current character at a third book mark which you advance from the first to the second. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 21:14:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123068 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 21:14:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953843307:10:07736:17; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:28:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007524; 23 Mar 2000 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01164 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:07:36 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01159 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:07:34 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup070.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.138]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA06120 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:09:14 GMT Message-ID: <005b01bf9503$2157b5a0$8a94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <802568AA.005F97BD.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Subject: Tabs again Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:06:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R It seems you are restricted to setting tab positions in whole numbers of mm. It would be useful to be able to work to 0.5mm particularly when setting tabs, say for twelve monthly columns, across a column width. With a minimum of 1mm increasing or decreasing the tab spacing means the twelve columns expand or contract in units of 12mm, which can be too much. A 0.5mm spacing would allow overall changes, in this context, of 6mm, which would give better control when working with multiple columns. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 21:14:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123069 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 21:14:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953843386:10:09557:19; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:29:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101043; 23 Mar 2000 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01143 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:07:27 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01138 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:07:24 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup070.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.138]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA06104 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:09:03 GMT Message-ID: <005801bf9503$1c0b3400$8a94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <802568AA.005F97BD.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Subject: Puzzle selection Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:53:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R If I highlight a line of text, by triple clicking, to apply a style, then single click with the Adjust button to divide the text into a highlighted and un-highlighted parts, I find it impossible to predict whether it will be the left or right hand part of the line which remains highlighted. Is there some way of determining which part will be highlighted? Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 21:14:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123070 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 21:14:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953844104:10:05424:17; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:41:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005022; 23 Mar 2000 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01157 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:07:33 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01152 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:07:31 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup070.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.138]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA06115 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:09:11 GMT Message-ID: <005a01bf9503$1fce0860$8a94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <802568AA.005F97BD.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Subject: Jumping text Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:02:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R A feature of using Ovation Pro is that if you do something like clicking or highlighting, orm selecting text when it is near to the window edge, the window content shifts to bring in more of the document from outside the window boundary. However, I have found this can be a severe annoiance. For example, by double clicking near the window edge I sometimes find I have moved some randomly highlighted text to an unwanted position. Is there any way of switching off this effect when not wanted? Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 21:14:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123072 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 21:14:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953844860:10:00919:17; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:54:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113415; 23 Mar 2000 20:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01150 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:07:30 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01145 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:07:27 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup070.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.138]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA06110 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:09:07 GMT Message-ID: <005901bf9503$1d94e140$8a94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <802568AA.005F97BD.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Subject: Problem tabs Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:56:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have had several examples of late where I want to define a ruler as part of a Style with a right tab aligned with the right margin marker, so that text can be tabbed to be right aligned (the line contains some text to be left aligned, and some to be right aligned). The setting does not achieve what I want, the relevant text moving to the next line down, unless I set the right tab marker 1mm inside the right margin marker when it works as expected. Do others find the same problem? Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 22:43:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123087 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 22:42:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953849896:10:19902:17; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:18:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125911; 23 Mar 2000 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01778 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01768 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:53 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YFNT-000C9j-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:30:32 GMT Message-Id: <123081@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Jumping text X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A feature of using Ovation Pro is that if you do something like clicking or >highlighting, orm selecting text when it is near to the window edge, the >window content shifts to bring in more of the document from outside autoscrolling... There is a function - see the documentation for it below. I'd guess that something line autoscroll(0x2000,0,0,0); in a macro or whatever will kill auto scrolling. ===================================================================================== void autoscroll(int range,int a0,int a1,int a2); This function controls the auto scrolling effect. All the parameters are fractions 0x10000==1.0. The first parameter is the fraction of the window width or height, which the pointer must be inside for auto scrolling to take place. By default this is 0x2000 or 1/8th. If the distance into the scroll zone is x pixels which is a fraction z of the zone size, then the amount scrolled is shift=x*(a0+z*a1+z*z*a2) By default a0=0x1000 a1=0x4000 a2=0x8000 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 22:43:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123088 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 22:42:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953849990:20:04188:23; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:19:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003828; 23 Mar 2000 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01773 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01761 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YFNS-000C9j-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:30:24 GMT Message-Id: <123079@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Puzzle selection X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I highlight a line of text, by triple clicking, to apply a style, then >single click with the Adjust button to divide the text into a highlighted >and un-highlighted parts, I find it impossible to predict whether it will be >the left or right hand part of the line which remains highlighted. I think the end that you click nearest to, is the end which moves. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 22:43:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123089 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 22:43:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953849961:11:28714:22; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:19:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020579; 23 Mar 2000 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01925 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:58:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01920 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:58:14 GMT Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([193.237.242.97] helo=193.237.242.97) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YFcL-0005vh-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:58:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Jumping text Message-ID: <49a3f8662bP.C.Newble@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <005a01bf9503$1fce0860$8a94a8c2@akalat> References: <802568AA.005F97BD.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> <005a01bf9503$1fce0860$8a94a8c2@akalat> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mike Williams wrote: > A feature of using Ovation Pro is that if you do something like > clicking or highlighting, orm selecting text when it is near to the > window edge, the window content shifts to bring in more of the > document from outside the window boundary. However, I have found > this can be a severe annoiance. . . . Hear hear! Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 22:43:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123090 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 22:43:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953850779:20:20733:18; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:32:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123757; 23 Mar 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01783 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:43:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01776 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YFNX-000C9j-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:30:40 GMT Message-Id: <123083@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem tabs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have had several examples of late where I want to define a ruler as part >of a Style with a right tab aligned with the right margin marker, so that >text can be tabbed to be right aligned (the line contains some text to be >left aligned, and some to be right aligned). The setting does not achieve w>hat I want, the relevant text moving to the next line down, unless I set >the right tab marker 1mm inside the right margin marker when it works as >expected. My thought is that the mystery 1mm is connected to the default 1mm default text frame inset... easily proved I suppose by changing it to something like 10mm. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 22:43:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123091 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 22:43:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953849975:10:21445:17; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:19:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129182; 23 Mar 2000 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01878 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:51:26 GMT Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01873 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:51:24 GMT Received: from pf6s11a01.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.139.247] helo=ukgateway.net) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YFXY-0000uA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:53:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:25:15 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Miscellanea Message-ID: <49A3ED02E2%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <123004@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123004@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <123004@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > > (1) Sales of OvationPro in the post Beebug era have now passed 100 > > > copies. > >Well done, this is good news > Well any road up, it is a landmark. The next one is 250. Fingers crossed... BTW will you be at Wakefield? -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Worth seeing? Yes, but not worth going to see. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 23 22:43:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123093 for opro ; Thu, 23 Mar 100 22:43:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953850428:11:17700:17; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:27:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002661; 23 Mar 2000 22:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01765 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:52 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01756 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YFNR-000C9j-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:30:18 GMT Message-Id: <123077@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tabs again X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It seems you are restricted to setting tab positions in whole numbers of mm. No I don't think so. It was an enhancement at some point that when you drag tabs, they snap to 1mm multiples. But there is nothing to stop you typing in more precise values by hand, and then bashing return to set it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 01:40:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123107 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 01:40:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953854246:10:26028:17; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:30:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126332; 23 Mar 2000 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02534 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:00:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02528 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:00:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YGak-000EqP-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:00:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:48:14 GMT Message-Id: <123098@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Miscellanea X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >BTW will you be at Wakefield? No. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 01:40:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123108 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 01:40:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953855998:20:17273:18; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:59:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110995; 23 Mar 2000 23:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02723 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:44:25 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA02718 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:44:23 GMT Received: (qmail 23363 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 23:44:41 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 23:44:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 2539 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 23:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.68.31) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 23:43:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:35:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Tabs in 2.58 To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I just got round to playing with 2.58 for the first time today. Playing with tabs with different leader strings on the same line I ran into a couple of problems (the first is my problem, the second may be David's?): 1. Using Alt-135 to set the leader to an elipsis nothing shows in the Leader writable icon, other characters entered that way (Alt-133) do show, though it does show in the text when the dialogue box is closed (providing Show Invisibles is not selected). This is a problem because the EFF LondonA font uses slightly different encoding from Homerton which is my set Desktop font (Homerton has no character at ASCII 135). 2. With nothing showing in the Leader writable icon I couldn't delete it! Tried the usual RISC OS Ctrl-U to be greeted by a strange OPro error "memory is corrupted" but OPro still seems to be working OK - yes that leader is still there. The only way out was to remove all tabs for that line and re-set from scratch with correct leaders. I still like the feature, I just need to be carefull how I use it! Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 13:04:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123119 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 13:04:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953867666:20:17088:35; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:14:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100018; 24 Mar 2000 3:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03254 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:58:51 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03249 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:58:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YKJE-0006wJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:58:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:43:31 GMT Message-Id: <123115@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tabs in 2.58 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >2. With nothing showing in the Leader writable icon I couldn't delete it! Run that by me one more time. It seems deeply philosophical, can you delete nothing... >Tried the usual RISC OS Ctrl-U to be greeted by a strange OPro error "memory >is corrupted" Thats very interesting, I'd like to recreate that error. How do I do it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 13:05:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123124 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 13:05:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953876275:20:21068:20; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:37:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020973; 24 Mar 2000 5:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03578 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:18:06 GMT Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (smtp03.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03573 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:18:04 GMT Received: from platt.gol.com (tc-1-2-055.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.55]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B00BE4092 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:15:21 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:14:38 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Text flow - changing default To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Could someone tell me how - as I'm sure it's possible - in a step-by- step-for-idiots way how to change the Menu->Object->Text flow 'Runaround' from the default of 'Frame' to a default of 'None', please? TIA Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 13:05:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123126 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 13:05:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953877514:20:03604:26; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:58:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110221; 24 Mar 2000 5:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03565 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:17:31 GMT Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (smtp03.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03560 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:17:28 GMT Received: from platt.gol.com (tc-1-2-055.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.55]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FBA94096 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:15:24 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:39:14 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Miscellanea To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 23 Mar, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Wed 22 Mar, John Waddell wrote: > > > > > I have a fax machine at home but it uses heat sensitive paper so if someone > > sends me a fax, I cannot send it on somewhere else because I do not have a > > photocopier at home to make a plain paper copy that would pass through the > > fax machine. > > > We just refax it anyway - seems to work even though it is heat sensitive > type. > > Regards > Alf > I usually glue the leading edge of the fax to a sheet of A4 & then pass it thru the fax machine. Learn't the hard way: prising apart the clam shell of my fax was a 3* rude word job. Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 13:05:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123131 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 13:05:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953886632:20:16613:40; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:30:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016459; 24 Mar 2000 8:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04087 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:14:36 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04078 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:14:33 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup047.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.209]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA32363 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:16:13 GMT Message-ID: <009a01bf9568$a0cba020$8a94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <123083@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Problem tabs Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:56:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >>I have had several examples of late where I want to define a ruler as part >>of a Style with a right tab aligned with the right margin marker, so that >>text can be tabbed to be right aligned (the line contains some text to be >>left aligned, and some to be right aligned). The setting does not achieve >>what I want, the relevant text moving to the next line down, unless I set >>the right tab marker 1mm inside the right margin marker when it works as >>expected. > > >My thought is that the mystery 1mm is connected to the default 1mm default >text frame inset... easily proved I suppose by changing it to something like 10mm. Not so - the line in question is preceded by fully justified text which sits against the right margin. I have the text frame inset set to 0mm by default anyway. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 13:05:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123133 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 13:05:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953887431:20:18546:19; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:43:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115647; 24 Mar 2000 8:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04090 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:14:39 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04084 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:14:35 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup047.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.209]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA32368 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:16:15 GMT Message-ID: <009b01bf9568$a1f83940$8a94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <123077@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Tabs again Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:06:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>It seems you are restricted to setting tab positions in whole numbers of mm. > >No I don't think so. It was an enhancement at some point that when you >drag tabs, they snap to 1mm multiples. But there is nothing to stop >you typing in more precise values by hand, and then bashing return to set it. I thought I had tried this - on retesting the crucial point is pressing Return after changing the value - I had only changed the value. Nevertheless, this method will involve a lot of input and mouse clicks when adjusting multiple tabs - couldn't snapping to 0.5mm be a default, if necessary restricted to views above a certain magnification as I think is the case in Impression. There the size of ruler divisions depends on the view magnification. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 17:08:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123170 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 17:08:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953912230:20:20586:33; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:37:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2019988; 24 Mar 2000 15:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05004 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:00:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04999 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:00:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YVZB-0005hI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:00:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:52:34 GMT Message-Id: <123166@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow - changing default X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Could someone tell me how - as I'm sure it's possible - in a step-by- >step-for-idiots way how to change the Menu->Object->Text flow >'Runaround' from the default of 'Frame' to a default of 'None', please? Setting default attributes on objects ------------------------------------- When you click on "Save as Default", a style sheet called Default is saved in the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir folder. It is now possible to save a document (i.e. as opposed to a style sheet) called 'Default' inside !OvnPro.!OvnResDir. If you do, the first object of each type which is not a master object is used as a prototype (the object will *not* appear in each new document). By this mechanism it is now possible to make text frames default to transparent or have no text runaround etc. Note the duality with the approach of having Choices windows to control the defaults for objects. Settings in the choices windows take precedence. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 17:08:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123173 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 17:08:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953912769:11:25988:97; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:46:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013173; 24 Mar 2000 15:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04998 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:00:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04992 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:00:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YVZ8-0005hI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:59:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:47:48 GMT Message-Id: <123164@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem tabs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>>I have had several examples of late where I want to define a ruler as part >>>of a Style with a right tab aligned with the right margin marker, so that >>what I want, the relevant text moving to the next line down, unless I set >>the right tab marker 1mm inside the right margin marker when it works as >Not so - the line in question is preceded by fully justified text which sits >against the right margin. I have the text frame inset set to 0mm by default >anyway. Yes, doing a little test, if I have a 143mm wide frame, then setting a right tab at 143mm doesn't work as it should. I can set it at 142.99mm and then things work. So the mystery 1mm would be coming from the tab position snapping, the bug is that something is forcing a value to be less than, when it should allow equality. >I thought I had tried this - on retesting the crucial point is pressing >Return after changing the value - I had only changed the value. >Nevertheless, this method will involve a lot of input and mouse clicks when >adjusting multiple tabs - couldn't snapping to 0.5mm be a default Fair point. You can speed things up, by selecting all the tabs and shifting all their positions in one go. >necessary restricted to views above a certain magnification as I think is >the case in Impression. There the size of ruler divisions depends on the >view magnification. Ruler divisions in OPro vary in the same way. I'll have a think, making tab positions snap to different values depending on zoom doesn't appeal at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 18:02:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123180 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 18:02:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953919838:20:15142:18; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:43:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014999; 24 Mar 2000 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05457 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:00:30 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05452 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:00:28 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-203.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.203]) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12478 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:54:45 GMT Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:49:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Arrays in scripts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <122938@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 22 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > No, you cant have arrays in scripts. one common work around > is to use strings. > > Another one is to use the tagged data functions, which > effectively do give you arrays via functions, but you'd > need to remember to remove them when you've finished using them. > Another method would be to call the gdbm module, particularly if you want to store the arrays anywhere. This would give not only arrays but also hashes (i.e. associative arrays where the array index is not necessarily a number but can be any string). The module is documented in the StrongHelp swi manual and comes with Newsbase or Perl. The latest version is 0.03. If you do not have a copy, I can email you one. Even more usefully, a general purpose Perl veneer applet would permit all kinds of fancy things. I don't have time to do it myself, but I would be happy to discuss it with anyone wishing to attempt it. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 18:51:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123188 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 18:51:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953923490:10:08802:241; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:44:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000722; 24 Mar 2000 18:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05724 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:18:28 GMT Received: from sand6.global.net.uk (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05719 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:18:26 GMT Received: from p02s06a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.230.3] helo=p02s06a07) by sand6.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12YYh9-0006SG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:20:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:57:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tabs in 2.58 Message-ID: <49a43cd4f9rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > 1. Using Alt-135 to set the leader to an elipsis nothing shows in the > Leader writable icon, other characters entered that way (Alt-133) do > show, though it does show in the text when the dialogue box is closed > (providing Show Invisibles is not selected). This is a problem because > the EFF LondonA font uses slightly different encoding from Homerton > which is my set Desktop font (Homerton has no character at ASCII 135). Try Alt-140 for an elipsis. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 24 20:45:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123197 for opro ; Fri, 24 Mar 100 20:45:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953930113:10:21209:17; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:35:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118271; 24 Mar 2000 20:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06053 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:05:33 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA06048 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:05:31 GMT Received: (qmail 32674 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2000 20:05:54 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 Mar 2000 20:05:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 23522 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2000 20:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.65.205) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 Mar 2000 20:04:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:24:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Tabs in 2.58 To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <123115@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 24 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > >2. With nothing showing in the Leader writable icon I couldn't delete it! > > Run that by me one more time. It seems deeply philosophical, can you > delete nothing... I wrote nothing *showing* - the leader was there but in a character which has nothing asigned in Homerton, my desktop font, so there is nothing to see to know whether you have deleted it or not, or even whether it is to left or right of the caret position. (The elipsis is at ASCII 140 in Acorn fonts, but at ASCII 135 in EFF Latin 1 encoding. There is nothing asigned to 135 in Acorn fonts. I thought that Acorn used the standard Latin 1 encoding > > >Tried the usual RISC OS Ctrl-U to be greeted by a strange OPro error "memory > >is corrupted" > > Thats very interesting, I'd like to recreate that error. How do I do it. > Must have been specific to the combination of things I had run yesterday (including the upgrade) - just tried again and it is working as expected. If I come across this one again I will let you know the circumstances. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 25 00:36:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123211 for opro ; Sat, 25 Mar 100 00:36:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953937618:20:25188:20; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:40:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024601; 24 Mar 2000 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06396 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:24:25 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA06391 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:24:23 GMT Received: from usera885.uk.uudial.com (193.149.69.123) [193.149.69.123] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12YcV5-0001Vo-00; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:24:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:04:24 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Fwd: Manipulating Mail Merge Data Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 22 Mar 2000 (19:31:09 +0000), badger.set@argonet.co.uk wrote: > My apologies to everyone for the previous mail with attachment. I had > taken great care to send it only to David privately, but my e-mail > software obviously knew better than me and sent it to the distribution > list instead. > Please don't apologise, seeing the problem like that helped me to work out how the new Mail Merge system works! Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 25 00:36:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123213 for opro ; Sat, 25 Mar 100 00:36:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953937939:20:04606:25; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:45:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125822; 24 Mar 2000 22:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06362 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:15:51 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA06357 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:15:48 GMT Received: (qmail 21322 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2000 22:15:47 -0000 Received: from userfa62.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.19.232) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2000 22:15:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:13:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Unique Applet Message-ID: <49a480491ddfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OvPro 2.58 Hi David, I have a little problem with the Unique number Applet, in that while I do have "Save in document" ticked, it will not allow me to keep 0 in the "Start" field/box (whatever you wanna call it). If I have a Prefix of say nnn/ and I want the Start numbers to be 01, and increment from there, it's okay while the doc is live on screen, but if the doc is Saved, quit and reloaded for continued use, any new numbers come without the 0 so a new unique number would show as nnn/2 instead of 02 as I expect and want. Can anything be modified to accommodate this, or is it a fly in the ointment? ;-) Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 25 00:37:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123218 for opro ; Sat, 25 Mar 100 00:37:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953943545:20:22717:17; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:19:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022439; 25 Mar 2000 0:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06732 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:34:19 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA06727 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:34:17 GMT Received: (qmail 24425 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2000 23:34:12 -0000 Received: from userek15.uk.uudial.com (HELO ukgateway.net) (62.188.13.125) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2000 23:34:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:05:53 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Miscellanea Message-ID: <49A4850BD8%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <123098@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123098@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <123098@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >BTW will you be at Wakefield? > No. That's a pity. I'm sure there's are a few potential sales to be had there. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her. Oscar Wilde -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 25 13:15:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123228 for opro ; Sat, 25 Mar 100 13:15:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953971323:10:29683:17; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:02:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118898; 25 Mar 2000 8:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07863 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:42:13 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07858 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:42:10 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup056.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.218]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA23550 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:43:49 GMT Message-ID: <003801bf962a$e4e26ba0$da94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <123164@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Problem tabs Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:22:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>Nevertheless, this method will involve a lot of input and mouse clicks when >>adjusting multiple tabs - couldn't snapping to 0.5mm be a default > >Fair point. You can speed things up, by selecting all the tabs and >shifting all their positions in one go. OK, but what I am usually doing is adjusting the spacing between tabs, say from 6.0mm to 6.5mm, rather than moving all tab markers by the same amount, in order to get the best spacing for a set of multiple columns. I agree that making the minimum tab snap setting dependent upon view scale feels messy, but snapping to less than the current 1mm would be very useful on occasion. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 25 13:15:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123229 for opro ; Sat, 25 Mar 100 13:15:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953953161:20:27893:23; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:59:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027598; 25 Mar 2000 2:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07308 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:30:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07303 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:30:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YgL3-000LC0-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:30:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:10:35 GMT Message-Id: <123221@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Unique Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I have a Prefix of say nnn/ and I want the Start numbers to be 01, and >increment from there, it's okay while the doc is live on screen, but if >the doc is Saved, quit and reloaded for continued use, any new numbers >come without the 0 so a new unique number would show as nnn/2 instead of >02 as I expect and want. IMHO the problem appears without saving the document, as soon as you click for the next number, 002 becomes 3. The reason is that although the applet saves strings in the document, it uses normal arithmetic for incrementing the number so 002+1 is 3. You'd have to make up your own macro, a bit like { string s; s=unique_getnumber(); macv=("000"+s)<<(slen(s)); } scrap entering the 00's in the menu, and add 0's to taste in the above. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 25 13:15:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123232 for opro ; Sat, 25 Mar 100 13:15:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953977221:10:09155:17; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:40:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009080; 25 Mar 2000 9:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08138 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:58:21 GMT Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08133 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:58:18 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.108] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12YmO5-0002gc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:57:41 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:59:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:00:32 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem tabs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801bf962a$e4e26ba0$da94a8c2@akalat> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Mike Williams" wrote: > >>Nevertheless, this method will involve a lot of input and mouse clicks > when > >>adjusting multiple tabs - couldn't snapping to 0.5mm be a default > > > >Fair point. You can speed things up, by selecting all the tabs and > >shifting all their positions in one go. > > OK, but what I am usually doing is adjusting the spacing between tabs, say > from 6.0mm to 6.5mm, rather than moving all tab markers by the same amount, > in order to get the best spacing for a set of multiple columns. > Perhaps this is an area where some kind of basic table handling would be a better solution? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 25 13:16:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123240 for opro ; Sat, 25 Mar 100 13:16:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953979994:20:26235:27; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:26:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025812; 25 Mar 2000 10:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08317 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:58:20 GMT Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08312 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:58:18 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.224] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12YnK9-0004Aq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:57:41 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:48:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:50:00 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Acrobat PDFmarks Message-ID: <7a4c0a449%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Here's a useful tip for anyone creating Acrobat PDF files from OvPro documents using distiller. In order to get access to some of the 'industrial strength' features of Acrobat PDF you need to use the PDFMark language - these are actually special postscript operators that are recognised by distiller. I've only just realised that you can now embed PDFMarks quite easily in OvPro documents using the EPS facility which David recently gave us. First create a small postscript file (a text file containing the PDFMark operator filetyped to PoScript) and then drop it into a graphics frame which you've created in the document where you want the PDFMark to be embedded (for example, a page footer). On screen the mark previews as a grey box. After distilling it is invisible, but the PDFMark action is magically implemented. I think this has great potential for those of us using OvPro with Acrobat. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 25 13:16:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123242 for opro ; Sat, 25 Mar 100 13:16:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953985015:20:07296:17; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:50:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119996; 25 Mar 2000 11:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08585 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:08:53 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08580 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:08:51 GMT Received: (qmail 8962 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2000 11:08:49 -0000 Received: from useri211.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.105.75) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2000 11:08:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:38:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Unique Applet Message-ID: <49a4c47769dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <123221@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <123221@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <123221@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >If I have a Prefix of say nnn/ and I want the Start numbers to be 01, > >and increment from there, it's okay while the doc is live on screen, > >but if the doc is Saved, quit and reloaded for continued use, any new > >numbers come without the 0 so a new unique number would show as nnn/2 > >instead of 02 as I expect and want. > IMHO the problem appears without saving the document, as soon as you > click for the next number, 002 becomes 3. The reason is that although > the applet saves strings in the document, it uses normal arithmetic for > incrementing the number so 002+1 is 3. > You'd have to make up your own macro, a bit like > { string s; > s=unique_getnumber(); > macv=("000"+s)<<(slen(s)); > } > scrap entering the 00's in the menu, and add 0's to taste in the above. > David Pilling Thanks for the thoughts David, although I've attempted twice to get the above to do something when reconstituted as a Macro, it just produces error messages from OvPro. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 25 16:47:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123254 for opro ; Sat, 25 Mar 100 16:47:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 953993853:20:19661:23; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:17:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019235; 25 Mar 2000 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09005 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:00:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09000 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:00:21 GMT Received: from userae10.uk.uudial.com (62.188.131.152) [62.188.131.152] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Yr6w-0005IB-00; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:00:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:05:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Fwd: Manipulating Mail Merge Data Message-ID: <49a4d1e09ebadger.set@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Mar, Roger Foden wrote: > Please don't apologise, seeing the problem like that helped me to work > out how the new Mail Merge system works! > Roger Thanks Roger. Nice to know my faux pas was not a completely ill wind (to mix metaphor and language) :-) -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 18:36:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123260 for opro ; Mon, 27 Mar 100 18:36:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954006869:20:07064:20; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:54:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007009; 25 Mar 2000 17:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09421 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:10:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09416 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:10:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Yu59-000MVI-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:10:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:04:06 GMT Message-Id: <123255@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Unique Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >although I've attempted twice to get the above to do something when >reconstituted as a Macro, it just produces error messages from OvPro. Do birds fly... If you told me what the error was I could have said more. Have you ever considered the savings in ink/time by not padding numbers out with leading zeros. Seriously whats the point. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 18:36:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123269 for opro ; Mon, 27 Mar 100 18:36:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954015770:10:28785:17; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:22:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126172; 25 Mar 2000 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09722 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:12:00 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09717 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:11:57 GMT Received: (qmail 7251 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2000 19:11:56 -0000 Received: from usereb65.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.10.46) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2000 19:11:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:10:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Unique Applet Message-ID: <49a4f35a50dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <123255@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <123255@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <123255@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >although I've attempted twice to get the above to do something when > >reconstituted as a Macro, it just produces error messages from OvPro. > Do birds fly... > If you told me what the error was I could have said more. If there was some easy way of getting at error messages without having to copy the things out by hand... First error message says: Error: Unknown identifier unique_get number at line 5 in .AutoRun.uniqmods (uniqmods was the name I gave the new macro). Second message: Error: Unknown identifier at line 6 in ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.!OvnPro.AutoRun.Uniqmods I then get two Unique number entries in the Applets menu, obviously neither work. > Have you ever considered the savings in ink/time by not padding numbers > out with leading zeros. Seriously whats the point. > David Pilling Could be I'm a recalcitrant clod, just because I want it. :-) But seriously though... For example, suppose I want to create some auto numbered invoices... nnn/01 and so on (I only need one zero, as the numbers will rarely get past twenty let alone 99). The work around I've been using is nnn/0 for the Prefix (this does get remembered)... but it does mean when the number gets to 10 I've got to remember to remove the 0 from the Prefix. :-( Cheers Dave S Ps: Aside from the fact I don't really know on end of a Macro from t'other... I created the thing noted below, made its file type "OvPScrpt" and put it in AutoRun //Moduniquezero void main(void) { string s; s=unique_getnumber(); macv=("000"+s)<<(slen(s)); } -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 18:36:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123274 for opro ; Mon, 27 Mar 100 18:36:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954019909:20:07362:19; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:31:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007077; 25 Mar 2000 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10003 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:03:12 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09998 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:03:10 GMT Received: (qmail 24373 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2000 21:03:38 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 25 Mar 2000 21:03:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 12552 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2000 21:03:00 -0000 Received: from 253.04-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.71.253) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 25 Mar 2000 21:03:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:48:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Problem tabs To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <003801bf962a$e4e26ba0$da94a8c2@akalat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 24 Mar, Mike Williams wrote: > >>Nevertheless, this method will involve a lot of input and mouse clicks > when > >>adjusting multiple tabs - couldn't snapping to 0.5mm be a default > > > >Fair point. You can speed things up, by selecting all the tabs and > >shifting all their positions in one go. > > OK, but what I am usually doing is adjusting the spacing between tabs, say > from 6.0mm to 6.5mm, rather than moving all tab markers by the same amount, > in order to get the best spacing for a set of multiple columns. > > I agree that making the minimum tab snap setting dependent upon view scale > feels messy, but snapping to less than the current 1mm would be very useful > on occasion. > > Mike Williams > Akalat Publishing Would it be possible to add an option to set tabs every (user chosen distance) along the ruler? Just as the default is effective tabs every 10mm. Something like "set a starting tab and then every Xmm - no that is not right, clear them all, re-set the starting tab then every X.Ymm - that fits". How does that sound Mike? How easy/hard to do David? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 18:37:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123285 for opro ; Mon, 27 Mar 100 18:37:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954063564:20:05720:18; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 09:39:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005623; 26 Mar 2000 9:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11226 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:09:44 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11221 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:09:40 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-01.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.67]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27982 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:07:08 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:10:40 +1200 Subject: Re: Unique Applet Message-ID: <49a5404057tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49a4f35a50dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <123255@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49a4f35a50dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49a4f35a50dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <123255@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > Have you ever considered the savings in ink/time by not padding numbers > > out with leading zeros. Seriously whats the point. > But seriously though... For example, suppose I want to create some auto > numbered invoices... nnn/01 and so on (I only need one zero, as the > numbers will rarely get past twenty let alone 99). Start from 10? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 18:37:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123291 for opro ; Mon, 27 Mar 100 18:37:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954083966:10:07496:17; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:19:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101496; 26 Mar 2000 15:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11941 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:02:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11936 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:02:16 +0100 Received: from userer04.uk.uudial.com (62.188.16.45) [62.188.16.45] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12ZEYQ-0006yS-00; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:02:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:01:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Miscellanea Message-ID: <49a56055d4owlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49A4850BD8%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <123098@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49A4850BD8%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49A4850BD8%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > > >BTW will you be at Wakefield? > > No. > That's a pity. I'm sure there's are a few potential sales to be had > there. Don't particularly want to advertise here, but I'm sure CJE will have a range of David's products on sale at Wakefield, we usually do. -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 18:37:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123297 for opro ; Mon, 27 Mar 100 18:37:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954149587:20:20933:38; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:33:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127683; 27 Mar 2000 9:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14010 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:01:34 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14005 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:01:32 +0100 Received: from nfcrpc7 (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03004 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:01:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000301bf97cb$4d06a6a0$b6068f93@sees.bangor.ac.uk> From: "John P. Kerslake" To: References: Subject: OvP 2.55 /riscstation crash Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:03:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I was editing a new document in 2.55, on my new RiscStation. The Doc had very small text. I decided to try changeing screen resolution as aposed to veiw zoom. 2.55 departed. I receaved a message from Risc os that memory was corupt. On rebooting. 2.55 came back with different iocns. Opening 2.55 revaled that the file Sprites in the main directory was missing. I re up graded from 2.52 to 2.55 and all was well exceopt for the document I had open. This had lost its print margin. This was still set ot show under view options. (Other docs were OK). Althougr it was 2 pages long 2.55 insisted that it was now 3 pages long. On checking invisables a non deleatable euro symbol had apeared at the top righr cormor of page 3. I tried to print out.the document. Only page 2 would print. Page 1 & 3 came out blank. I tried copying the text into a new document. Same effect. I tried selecting page 1 to print It crashed. On re booting I found that !boot had lost 2 internal icons the ones for Screen & Network. however clicking on the names brings up the sub menues. This doc had a lot of typing in it so I tried upgrasding to 2.58. & copying text into a new doc. Same effect except I could now move the eurosymbol onto page 2 by reducing the size of the sub frames to leave space for ti on the master fraim. and it now has visable printer margins. It still only prints page 2 and crashes if page 1 is set to print. My last crass lost the 2.55 copy of the doc So I only now have 2.58 copys. Is there any way to recover the text of this doc.? ( and off topic replace my missing boot icons?) Thanks. John. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 18:38:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123309 for opro ; Mon, 27 Mar 100 18:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954176265:10:11964:60; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:57:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115381; 27 Mar 2000 16:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14941 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:16:16 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14936 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:16:14 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-36.access.ch [212.161.130.164]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25755; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:16:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:53:51 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Tabs in 2.58 To: Ovation Pro List cc: Jhr CHM van Vredenburch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 24 Mar, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Fri 24 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >2. With nothing showing in the Leader writable icon I couldn't delete it! snip > Must have been specific to the combination of things I had run yesterday Nothing showing has 2 possible reasons: 1. the Tab was not selected (when selected it becomes red) 2. the wrong font was used 1. The leadering token is only shown in the writable icon if the specific tab has been selected. Because the program must know which leadering character belonging to which tab to show. 2. In an earlier message you already gave a hint to the problem of fonts. The ellipsis does not have the same ASCII number in all fonts (135 in EFF-Times, 140 in Tinity/Homerton). When using these top-bit-set characters you should not only state which leadering character is to be used but also mention which font. Be it a Style (preferably) or an Effect. This should solve your "Nothing showing" solution. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 20:16:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123349 for opro ; Mon, 27 Mar 100 20:16:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954184346:10:17965:17; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:12:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129326; 27 Mar 2000 19:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15357 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:56:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15350 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:56:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Zegs-000KM1-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:56:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:45:15 GMT Message-Id: <123337@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvP 2.55 /riscstation crash X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I was editing a new document in 2.55, on my new RiscStation. The Doc had >very small text. I decided to try changeing screen resolution as aposed to veiw zoom. I can imagine that you have a corrupt document there. I'd be inclined to save it as DDL if I could, save the story as DDL, or if the worse happens load the document into an editor and hack out the text. The vanishing/reappearing printer margins may be due to printer margins only being visible when there is a printer driver running. However what I don't buy is this having anything to do with sprite icon files vanishing from disc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 21:14:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123350 for opro ; Mon, 27 Mar 100 21:14:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954185922:10:18774:17; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:38:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018436; 27 Mar 2000 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15355 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:56:44 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15345 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:56:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Zegq-000KM1-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:56:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:39:57 GMT Message-Id: <123335@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Unique Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >First error message says: >Error: Unknown identifier unique_get number at line 5 in >.AutoRun.uniqmods (uniqmods was the name I gave the new >macro). Sorry it has to be a macro. i.e. typed into the macros window and attached to a button or a key press. All the woes are due to not running it that way. >> Have you ever considered the savings in ink/time by not padding numbers >> out with leading zeros. Seriously whats the point. >But seriously though... For example, suppose I want to create some auto >numbered invoices... nnn/01 and so on (I only need one zero, as the >numbers will rarely get past twenty let alone 99). Why not just have the numbers as 99/1 ... 99/99 In my experience its no fun to be talking to someone on the phone and have to start trying to count leading zeros in an account number etc. There's no point in it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 23:04:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123361 for opro ; Mon, 27 Mar 100 23:04:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954193090:10:26694:17; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:38:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113066; 27 Mar 2000 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15863 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:55:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15858 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:55:02 +0100 Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ZgXO-0009AQ-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:55:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:52:54 +0100 Subject: Queries Message-ID: <49a60460d5mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Queries from an ex Impression user : Can I set up a (blank) frame on a master page which has a given text style so that when text is typed in to that frame on the document page it automatically takes the style? Do I perhaps type in dummy text on the master page and then 'Make Local' on each page and delete/replace the text with the new text? If I create a multi column page which is not full of text, i.e. the last column of text finishes half way down the page, can I manually adjust the bottom of each column upwards so that the bottom of each column of text is level? Is the only way with linked single column frames? -- Mick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 28 02:02:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123373 for opro ; Tue, 28 Mar 100 02:02:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954200791:20:07805:2439; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:46:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116582; 27 Mar 2000 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15835 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:47:13 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15830 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:47:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 17383 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2000 20:47:09 -0000 Received: from usern065.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.81.98) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 20:47:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:41:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Unique Applet Message-ID: <49a6035d29dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <123335@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <123335@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <123335@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >First error message says: > >Error: Unknown identifier unique_get number at line 5 in > >.AutoRun.uniqmods (uniqmods was the name I gave the new > >macro). > Sorry it has to be a macro. i.e. typed into the macros window and > attached to a button or a key press. > All the woes are due to not running it that way. Hi David 'tis me again. Well I've already tried that and it doesn't work either, which is why I didn't bother the talk about it previously. Well is sort of does but it doesn't do anything useful. Take your example below: If I just click on the new button I get 001 if I click on it again I get 001, and again 001... If I click on the old Unique button then the new, I get 99/1002 if I click them again I get 99/2003, again... 99/3004 and so on... That's not right... > >> Have you ever considered the savings in ink/time by not padding > >> numbers out with leading zeros. Seriously whats the point. > >But seriously though... For example, suppose I want to create some auto > >numbered invoices... nnn/01 and so on (I only need one zero, as the > >numbers will rarely get past twenty let alone 99). > Why not just have the numbers as 99/1 ... 99/99 > In my experience its no fun to be talking to someone on the phone and > have to start trying to count leading zeros in an account number etc. > There's no point in it. > David Pilling There are no leading zeros, in the examples we are using, the full set would be 99/03/01 Ah but it seems that lots of folks are writing this century as 00, so in that case I suppose there would be leading zeros.. 00/03/01 Cheers Dave S... I think. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 28 03:03:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123380 for opro ; Tue, 28 Mar 100 03:03:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954207064:10:24851:17; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:31:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100983; 28 Mar 2000 1:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16488 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:48:51 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16483 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:48:49 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Zhtg-000IX1-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:22:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:12:11 GMT Message-Id: <123367@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Queries X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can I set up a (blank) frame on a master page which has a given text >style so that when text is typed in to that frame on the document page it >automatically takes the style? Yes you can. Its a bit tricky, because the simple approach, of sticking the caret in the mp frame and changing style doesn't work. What you'd have to do is type in some text, mark the lot (using select) all, change the style and then delete the text. >If I create a multi column page which is not full of text, i.e. the last >column of text finishes half way down the page, can I manually adjust the >bottom of each column upwards so that the bottom of each column of text >is level? Is the only way with linked single column frames? I'd imagine that to do this, you'd want to adjust all 3 columns at once. Anyway that is all you can do with a multicolumn frame, short of sticking a frame over the top of the columns to blank out an area. As you say if you want to adjust columns individually you have to construct them from linked frames. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 28 14:03:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123383 for opro ; Tue, 28 Mar 100 14:03:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954210021:10:01778:17; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:20:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105086; 28 Mar 2000 2:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16733 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:04:17 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16728 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:04:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ZlMd-000Dw1-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:04:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:15:56 GMT Message-Id: <123378@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Unique Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I just click on the new button I get 001 if I click on it again I get >001, and again 001... Just as intended. >If I click on the old Unique button then the new, I get 99/1002 if I click >them again I get 99/2003, again... 99/3004 and so on... >That's not right... True. Needs tinkering with. >There are no leading zeros, in the examples we are using, the full set >would be 99/03/01 99/3/1 >that case I suppose there would be leading zeros.. 00/03/01 0/3/1 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 28 14:06:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123398 for opro ; Tue, 28 Mar 100 14:06:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954240049:20:13685:23; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:40:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116585; 28 Mar 2000 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17359 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:33:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17354 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ZqV1-000AyB-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:33:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:32:46 +0100 Subject: Linking frames Message-ID: <49a63ef5f3mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have set up some frames on a master page to use as a guide for each page that is created. On each page of the document I want to make them local so that I can adjust their size if necessary, but I find I cannot link them. Even though I have made them local, I get the error message 'cannot link to master frames'. As I have made all frames local on the document page I don't have any master frames on it - do I? If I link them on the master page, I cannot make them local in the document. -- Mick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 28 16:37:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123420 for opro ; Tue, 28 Mar 100 16:37:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954255022:20:10126:41; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:50:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010403; 28 Mar 2000 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18085 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:13:11 +0100 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18080 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:13:07 +0100 From: Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id d.74.24f3ce3 (4568) for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:13:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <74.24f3ce3.2611fbcc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:13:00 EST Subject: Re:Footnotes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I hardly dare admit this. I've been asked to convert a thesis from Ovation Pro to M$ Word. As I have a pea sea alongside my RiscPC there's no problem with actually converting it, but I hate to do this. The reason? Apparently he needs lots of footnotes - and no, apparently endnotes won't do. I have to admit, grudgingly, that Word deals very well with footnotes - delete one or add one and everything appears to adjust correctly and they're re-numbered and placed automatically. Edit the text and they still end up in the right place. Using Ovation Pro and manually subscripted references, with footnotes that would end up half-way up a page or separated from the reference if the text is edited is not apparently an option. How can I get him to stick with OvPro? Is anyone writing a footnotes applet, or is there a (very simple) work around? Tom (If you can't help, sympathise.) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 28 17:25:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123429 for opro ; Tue, 28 Mar 100 17:25:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954257941:11:23749:21; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:39:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108838; 28 Mar 2000 15:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18343 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:31:58 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18338 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:31:57 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17014 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:31:51 GMT Received: from mimosa.csv.warwick.ac.uk (phrvn@mimosa [137.205.192.34]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03456 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:21:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (phrvn@localhost) by mimosa.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12947 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:21:36 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: mimosa.csv.warwick.ac.uk: phrvn owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:21:36 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Kaijaks To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re:Footnotes In-Reply-To: <74.24f3ce3.2611fbcc@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tom wrote: > How can I get him to stick with OvPro? Is anyone writing a > footnotes applet, > or is there a (very simple) work around? Rupert Thompson's EndNotes applet perchance? Look at: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html#enote Alternatively, use Techwriter, which handles footnotes quite capably of itself and can read/write Word format directly. I'm using it for my thesis, to be submitted on Friday: http://www.icontechnology.net/ Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 28 19:04:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123438 for opro ; Tue, 28 Mar 100 19:04:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954266018:20:24864:24; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:53:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024800; 28 Mar 2000 17:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19063 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:54:19 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19058 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:54:17 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18570 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:30:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Zynz-0006x4-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:25:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:49:30 GMT Message-Id: <123425@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linking frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have set up some frames on a master page to use as a guide for each >page that is created. On each page of the document I want to make them >local so that I can adjust their size if necessary, but I find I cannot >link them. Even though I have made them local, I get the error message >'cannot link to master frames'. As I have made all frames local on the >document page I don't have any master frames on it - do I? If I link them >on the master page, I cannot make them local in the document. All this is just as intended. Even if a frame is made local, it retains a link to the master frame - it has to so you can turn it back into a master frame, and so a new master frame does not appear. Possibly these restrictions are too tight, but thats the way they are at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 28 21:43:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123440 for opro ; Tue, 28 Mar 100 21:43:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954267529:10:01453:17; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:18:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126819; 28 Mar 2000 18:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18917 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:25:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18912 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:25:28 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Zyo1-0006x4-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:25:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:49:39 GMT Message-Id: <123427@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re:Footnotes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have to admit, grudgingly, that Word deals very well with footnotes - >delete one or add one and everything appears to adjust correctly and they're >re-numbered and placed automatically. >How can I get him to stick with OvPro? Is anyone writing a footnotes applet, >or is there a (very simple) work around? Somewhere there is a spec for OPro footnotes... the main problem is that they involve flowing text backwards, and whilst for a wp this is trivial for the shaped frames in OPro it would be very difficult. As you say footnotes work well in Word or (on RISC OS) Techwriter. There's no immediate prospect of footnotes being built into the main OPro program. The numbering side is not the problem, its placing frames and moving them around the page. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 29 13:10:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123467 for opro ; Wed, 29 Mar 100 13:10:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954294069:10:06133:17; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:41:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107189; 29 Mar 2000 1:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20072 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:41:04 +0100 Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20065 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:40:34 +0100 Received: from freja (IDENT:kh@freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20200 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:40:30 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:40:20 +1300 Subject: Ellipses and standards Message-ID: <49a68c8e99kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 25 Mar, Anthony Hilton wrote: > The elipsis is at ASCII 140 in Acorn fonts, but > at ASCII 135 in EFF Latin 1 encoding. There is nothing asigned to 135 in > Acorn fonts. I thought that Acorn used the standard Latin 1 encoding Talking standards, the Latin-1 standard ISO/IEC 8859-1 has NO characters for the bit patterns corresponding to the numeric values 0 to 31 NOR for the bit-patterns 127 - 159. In fact none of the 8859 variants have characters there - they are, so far as the -standard- is concerned all control function indicators. Whether/what/if some font description assigns glyphs to these codes is a matter between the font designer and his customer. Any such assignment -cannot- be claimed as a standard. Anyone producing documents using any of these encodings is producing a NON-portable document - and I don't just mean from Acorn to some other computer system - I mean not portable in the internationalization arena. If you want to use standards then you will have to stick to the characters (and by extension their glyphs) which are in some recognised international standard. Using 8-bit codes is rapidly going out of fashion. I find myself more and more converting documents to 16-bit codes, whether Unicode or some other standard (Japan has quite a wodge of these, as do several other Asian countries. The ellipsis, by the way in Unicode has the bit-pattern 2026 (in hexadecimal notation) - firmly in the sixteen bit area! I did ask David what was the likelihood of Ovation Pro going 16-bit - at the time his answer was a firm 'no'. Ata a wild guess I would say that that will still be his answer today! In saying this I lay absolutely NO blame at his door - he is naturally looking at what it would benefit him to do so. -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 29 13:10:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123468 for opro ; Wed, 29 Mar 100 13:10:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954301094:20:01833:55; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002223; 29 Mar 2000 3:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19909 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:58:28 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19904 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:58:26 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.12] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12a34T-0001h3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:58:41 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:42:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:43:42 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re:Footnotes Message-ID: <845f87a649%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <74.24f3ce3.2611fbcc@aol.com> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tomhopley@aol.com wrote: > I hardly dare admit this. I've been asked to convert a thesis from Ovation > Pro to M$ Word. As I have a pea sea alongside my RiscPC there's no problem > with actually converting it, but I hate to do this. The reason? Apparently > he needs lots of footnotes - and no, apparently endnotes won't do. > I'm surprised. The usual standard for theses and for book and journal manuscripts nowadays is for end notes. Footnotes are often specifically forbidden. > I have to admit, grudgingly, that Word deals very well with footnotes - > delete one or add one and everything appears to adjust correctly and they're > re-numbered and placed automatically. Edit the text and they still end up in > the right place. Using Ovation Pro and manually subscripted references, with > footnotes that would end up half-way up a page or separated from the > reference if the text is edited is not apparently an option. > I can't help thinking that this is one of the differences between a (frame based) page layout program and a word processor. So I guess Techwriter would be the Risc OS solution. Just to be mean - when you've got everything into MSWord and you've double-checked the layout try changing your printer driver at the last moment - to print out those special quality copies for submission. Watch the text reflow and the footnotes move around to different pages. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 29 13:10:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123474 for opro ; Wed, 29 Mar 100 13:10:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954315005:20:11317:27; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:30:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011470; 29 Mar 2000 7:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21072 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 06:58:40 +0100 Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21066 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 06:58:33 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.81.209]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000032905575322902k7gsle>; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:57:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:04:50 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Linking frames To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <123425@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 28 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > All this is just as intended. Even if a frame is made local, it > retains a link to the master frame - it has to so you can turn it back > into a master frame, and so a new master frame does not appear. > > Possibly these restrictions are too tight, but thats the way they are > at the moment. If frames in the Master Page are simply to be used as guides, then why not use guidelines instead? That way frames in the document page can be created on a consistent framework and yet be easily linked. Also it would seem to be good practice to avoid obliterating master frames in the doc page, as the consequent overflow gets trapped. That _seems_ occasionally to produce an error. JW -- ---------------- Felicidades con RISC OS ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 29 18:44:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123492 for opro ; Wed, 29 Mar 100 18:44:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954340729:20:02305:32; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:38:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001439; 29 Mar 2000 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22403 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:58:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22398 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:58:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12aIzj-000640-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:58:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:43:21 GMT Message-Id: <123489@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ellipses and standards X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I find myself more and more converting documents to 16-bit codes, whether >Unicode or some other standard (Japan has quite a wodge of these, as do >several other Asian countries. 'The nice thing about standards, is that there are so many to choose from.' >I did ask David what was the likelihood of Ovation Pro going 16-bit - >at the time his answer was a firm 'no'. And it still is. Never mind my benefit, how would a couple of months work on unicode benefit the majority of users of OPro (as opposed to spending the time on something else)? This is a quote from some private email on another subject I got today, which happens to be illuminating... >I'm afraid. Paces' unicode font manager would have been really useful. I >notice Oregan are not using the RISCOS font manager. ROSL don't even have documentation on the !Unicode directory which Acorn installed with Browse etc. (do you?), never mind the font manager. Presumeably there's a happy scenario where we get a unicode font man., and fonts with huge numbers of characters bloom. If it happend I'd support it, but is it going to happen? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 29 19:25:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123506 for opro ; Wed, 29 Mar 100 19:25:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954352573:20:10665:44; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:56:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126269; 29 Mar 2000 17:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22955 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:24:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22950 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:24:27 +0100 Received: from userey68.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.40) [62.188.19.40] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12aMCe-00001Z-00; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:24:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:06:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Footnotes Message-ID: <49a6c5e9a3charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <74.24f3ce3.2611fbcc@aol.com> References: <74.24f3ce3.2611fbcc@aol.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Mar, wrote: > I hardly dare admit this. I've been asked to convert a thesis from > Ovation Pro to M$ Word. As I have a pea sea alongside my RiscPC > there's no problem with actually converting it, but I hate to do this. > The reason? Apparently he needs lots of footnotes - and no, apparently > endnotes won't do. If you want to stay with RISC OS, you will find that Easywriter handles footnotes. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 29 21:10:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123519 for opro ; Wed, 29 Mar 100 21:10:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954358325:10:23096:20; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:32:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109203; 29 Mar 2000 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23242 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:02:40 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23237 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:02:37 +0100 Received: from modem-14.maine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.70.14] helo=jaycee) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12aNjg-0001nJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:02:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:01:55 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Copy and Paste query Message-ID: <206207a749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have constructed some pages, each of which has about 450 frames on it. I then decided to make them all into one document and the first two pages went as expected by copying and pasting the frames from one doc into another. However when I tried the next and tried this would not work >unless I firat of all selected about four frames, then they were all >selected as you would expect. There are some catches. Firstly for select all to know 'all what' there has to be something already selected or it must know which page is the 'current one' Clicking on the page area i.e. not selecting anything gives it this information. Having selected a load of stuff, there may be objects in it which can't be copied e.g. the default/principle frame (or any other linked frame). I suspect that these two explain your problems and you should be able to get around them now i.e. Click on the page background Select all Adjust on the principle frame Copy Some ideas. I'd probably be merging these pages using the new copy/paste chapter feature. I'd guess for your porpoises the pages don't have to be all in one chapter. Create a document without a principle frame, and/or change the master pages to get rid of it. >does the clipboard have a limit No. >I have tried dragging a box both with and without and but >nothing seems to work. Its control+shift+drag and only selects objects entirely enclosed. >As a new user of OvPro I find it quite easy to use except for the fact >that the manual doesn't seem to be up to date with the application in >some places!! Just you wait... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 29 23:37:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123531 for opro ; Wed, 29 Mar 100 23:37:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954364498:20:27763:30; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:14:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027338; 29 Mar 2000 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23658 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:54:14 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23653 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:54:11 +0100 Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12aPTd-000BkS-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:54:09 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:25:40 +0100 (BST) From: Arthur Taylor Subject: Re: Linking frames To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49a63ef5f3mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 28 Mar, Mick Burrell wrote: > I have set up some frames on a master page to use as a guide for each > page that is created. On each page of the document I want to make them > local so that I can adjust their size if necessary, but I find I cannot > link them. Even though I have made them local, I get the error message > 'cannot link to master frames'. As I have made all frames local on the > document page I don't have any master frames on it - do I? If I link them > on the master page, I cannot make them local in the document. > This has been a sore point for me right from the start of OvPro, in his day, John Wallace was sympathetic to something similar - being able to make (default) master frames local so they could be resized or being able to link added master frames (which can be made local). This is the one (admittedly fairly small) point where I think Impression's behaviour is better than OPro. Sadly, I think David remains unconvinced this is a good idea ;-) Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Parkstone, Poole -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 29 23:37:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123532 for opro ; Wed, 29 Mar 100 23:37:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954363441:10:02099:17; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:57:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001787; 29 Mar 2000 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23515 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:28:23 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23510 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:28:21 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.94] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12aP3y-0005d4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:27:39 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:15:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:17:03 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Copy and Paste query Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <206207a749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R John Charman wrote: > I have constructed some pages, each of which has about 450 frames on it. > > I then decided to make them all into one document and the first two > pages went as expected by copying and pasting the frames from one doc > into another. > It sounds as if each of your small documents is a single chapter. Have you tried, as an alternative approach, copying the whole chapter and pasting it into the new composite document? This is now the nearest thing to merge-documents that OvPro offers. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 30 01:48:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123541 for opro ; Thu, 30 Mar 100 01:48:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954372200:20:25105:17; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:23:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024890; 29 Mar 2000 23:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24213 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:42:38 +0100 Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24095 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:37:45 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.63.128]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000329213844.FYBL11156.mta1-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:38:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:37:30 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Postscript Printer To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi Can anyone help? Having just purchased a PostScript printer to enable the production of Litho Plates, I find that frames filled with a tint, print very darkly and there seems to be no way of specifying the screen ruling to be used. With the LaserDirect it is possible to set the default screen ruling, so far I have not been able to find any way of setting this in the postscript driver. Have I missed something. I have just tried with the new fill applet and it is possible to get what I want by setting a graduated fill to go from 30% to 30%. Is this the best way to proceed? Perhaps a non-graduated fill choice would be useful; it would certainly meet my needs. Best wishes Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 30 13:07:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123552 for opro ; Thu, 30 Mar 100 13:06:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954381936:11:06986:20; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:05:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106370; 30 Mar 2000 2:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24656 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:34:36 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24651 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:34:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12aTqz-0000T8-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:34:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:08:05 GMT Message-Id: <123547@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript Printer X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Having just purchased a PostScript printer to enable the production of >Litho Plates, I find that frames filled with a tint, print very darkly >and there seems to be no way of specifying the screen ruling to be used. Oh yes you can (from OPro at least). Print window, Print Setup, Separations, Screen, the black plate setting is used when not printint separations. As you may have read there's been some messing about, so the best thing is to set this and then click on OK - even if it looks right already, it may well need OK clicking on. See the NewDocs.Summary file with 2.58 for the details. >I have just tried with the new fill applet and it is possible to get >what I want by setting a graduated fill to go from 30% to 30%. Is this Well that is certainly the way of getting control over screening individual fills, and setting the start and end colours equal is OK. For pictures you can also set individual screens. >Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net There's a bit of a joke here. Mail to that address has been bouncing for a couple of days, so I've unsubbed it from the list. Obviously he can write stuff but not receive it... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 30 14:28:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123580 for opro ; Thu, 30 Mar 100 14:28:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954419999:11:08445:17; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:39:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108204; 30 Mar 2000 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25801 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:01:26 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25796 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:01:24 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12addb-000670-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:01:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:00:57 +0100 Subject: Additions to alt web site Message-ID: <49a75f2f8cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro You will now find on the site :- Colour charts - a document and charts that can be printed to set up a colour printer, submitted by John van Vredenburch. Archive is 150 k. Latest version of AntiWord (0.30 10 Mar 2000). Archive is 77 k. Regards -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 30 21:49:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123606 for opro ; Thu, 30 Mar 100 21:49:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954448215:20:15215:54; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:30:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015867; 30 Mar 2000 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26937 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:00:11 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26932 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:00:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 19614 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2000 20:01:02 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 20:01:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 27845 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2000 19:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.68.160) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 19:59:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:54:19 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Copy and Paste query To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <206207a749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 Mar, John Charman wrote: > I have constructed some pages, each of which has about 450 frames on it. > What on earth are you doing that has *so many* frames per page? Just curious. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 30 21:49:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123611 for opro ; Thu, 30 Mar 100 21:49:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954445787:10:12801:17; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:49:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012669; 30 Mar 2000 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26782 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:10:10 +0100 Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26777 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:10:08 +0100 From: Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id d.b6.323e768 (3867) for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:09:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:09:33 EST Subject: Re: Footnotes (Thanks) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to all who replied to my query about footnotes and being forced to convert files from OvPro to Word. You've given me lots of info and now hopefully I won't have to do the dreaded deed! Useful help from knowledgeable users, including a reply from David within a couple of hours! No wonder I intend to stay with OvPro and RiscOs myself. Tom (PS Best of luck with your thesis on Friday, Nick K.) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 31 01:33:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123614 for opro ; Fri, 31 Mar 100 01:33:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954451886:11:24271:22; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:31:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123100; 30 Mar 2000 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27196 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:55:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27191 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:55:17 +0100 Received: from userk499.uk.uudial.com (193.149.70.75) [193.149.70.75] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12alyG-0003Mu-00; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:55:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:57:14 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: TransWord Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I have a copy of TransWord by RJET dated 31st May, 1998. I don't know how I got it or from where, I would like to update it. Could anybody please let me know from whom or from where. Thanks for your help. Cheers Bryan -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 31 01:33:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123617 for opro ; Fri, 31 Mar 100 01:33:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954459732:10:28112:18; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:42:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112508; 30 Mar 2000 23:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27503 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:54:11 +0100 Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27498 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:54:08 +0100 Received: from freja (IDENT:kh@freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA02488 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:54:04 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:53:06 +1300 Subject: Ellipses and standards Message-ID: <49a79ae458kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA27499 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB27503 Status: R On 30 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > Presumeably there's a happy scenario where we get a unicode font man., = and fonts > with huge numbers of characters bloom. If it happend I'd support it, bu= t is it > going to happen? Weeeelllllllll! Someone is today inviting support for porting the whole of StarOffic= e to RISCOS. If this comes off then there should be a suitable font management mechanism. You also mention 'choosing' between standards. One of the things which Unicode (version 3) and its ISO/IEC counterpart (10646-1:2000) have is the notion of scripts. If you actually look at the standard that sor= t of thing isn't much use for things like IPA, Hanzi, Hangul, Arabic (well partly). However, almost every other (script) requirement can be handled with a couple of tables (96-code chunks). For example you could write Thai (Table 25 - starting at code 0E00) in an otherwise English document (Table 1 - starting at code 0020) by the simple expedient of having a 'table change code sequence' which would, containing non-printing codes only, be invisible). Similarly you could write Tamil and Telugu and Devanagari, etc (Indian sub-continent scripts) in a single document using the table change sequence. Serious problems only arise if you want to include Chinese/Japanese and Korean in a document. China uses one character coding (with some 280= 00 ideographs at the moment), Japanese use three different encodings (Chines= e plus Hiragana/Katakana), while Korean use Hangul (over three thousand codes) and Chinese codes too. Otherwise the table-change mechanism could seriously help broaden th= e use of something like OvationPro where alphabetic (as opposed to graphic/ideograph) forms of writing are used in a 'limited' more or less contiguous sequence of codes - provided someone would produce the fonts that is. I do know, however, that EFF produce Cyrillic and Hebrew fonts = - possibly others too. Early versions of Chinese text rendering actually used 128 tables of 256 codes as the model for an eight-bit font coding for rendering sixteen-bit document codes. Anyway! I merely put forward these thoughts - which could, perhaps, offer an interim solution for most world scripts. Let others signify the= ir interests. 'Tsch=FC=DF Keith --=20 City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 31 14:03:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123631 for opro ; Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:03:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954469523:20:11505:17; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:25:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104270; 31 Mar 2000 2:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27960 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 03:06:34 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27954 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 03:06:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12aqpU-000BWH-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:06:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 01:58:03 GMT Message-Id: <123625@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransWord X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a copy of TransWord by RJET dated 31st May, 1998. I don't know how I got >it or from where, I would like to update it. Probably from http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ or direct from Rupert Thompsons (the author) own site. http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/sware/ However, development came unstuck, so don't expect too much. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 31 14:03:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123633 for opro ; Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:03:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954470121:20:23016:17; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:35:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021942; 31 Mar 2000 2:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27955 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 03:06:32 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27948 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 03:06:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12aqpO-000BWH-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:06:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 01:51:20 GMT Message-Id: <123623@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ellipses and standards X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Someone is today inviting support for porting the whole of StarOffice >to RISCOS. If this comes off then there should be a suitable font >management mechanism. It's got an antialiasing font manager built in? I meant that it's a shame if Pace have a better font manager we can't use it. Adding support for Unicode or right-left text would be simple enough, and a bit of fun, but (short sighted?) I don't see it having more than a handful of RISC OS users. StarOffice would no doubt be a big help in keeping RISC OS alive. As has been said an office suite and a decent web browser are the two basic requirements for selling hardware. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 31 14:04:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123637 for opro ; Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:04:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954492255:20:07028:18; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:44:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115202; 31 Mar 2000 8:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28780 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:28:22 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28775 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:28:20 +0100 Received: from [195.102.196.10] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12awmF-0002m5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:27:35 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:09:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:10:45 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ellipses and standards Message-ID: <1ef2cda749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <123623@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Someone is today inviting support for porting the whole of StarOffice > >to RISCOS. If this comes off then there should be a suitable font > >management mechanism. > > It's got an antialiasing font manager built in? I meant that it's a shame if > Pace have a better font manager we can't use it. > > Adding support for Unicode or right-left text would be simple enough, and a > bit of fun, but (short sighted?) I don't see it having more than a handful > of RISC OS users. > Just for the record, you can count us in amongst the 'handful of users' of better support of non English writing systems. We have come unstuck in the past trying to set pieces of text for clients in languages such as Tamil, Mandarin, Hindi, Japanese, Korean ... We were eventually reduced to scanning in artwork. However, I am agnostic as to the best approach. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 31 14:04:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123638 for opro ; Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:04:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954498392:11:13628:67; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:26:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124941; 31 Mar 2000 10:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29065 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:00:02 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29058 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:00:00 +0100 Received: from modem-162.new-hampshire.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.80.162] helo=jaycee) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12ayDf-0004cn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:59:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:57:24 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Copy and Paste query Message-ID: <55b9cca749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Wed 29 Mar, John Charman wrote: > > I have constructed some pages, each of which has about 450 frames on it. > > What on earth are you doing that has *so many* frames per page? > > Just curious. > > Anthony Hilton > Producing pages of 5% changes colour charts!!!! Oh, and thanks to David, copying a chapter and moving it works OK. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 31 18:49:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA123668 for opro ; Fri, 31 Mar 100 18:49:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 954513007:20:13080:17; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:30:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012515; 31 Mar 2000 14:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29676 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:58:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29671 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:58:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12b1wn-000Ki8-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:58:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:51:49 GMT Message-Id: <123661@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ellipses and standards X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just for the record, you can count us in amongst the 'handful of >users' of better support of non English writing systems. paddling frantically... I just think that if there was a new font manager with unicode support, then there could be a renaisence in DTP on RISC OS, because it would give the opportunity to support better fonts, even for English writing. Font vendors would stand to benefit as much as anyone else. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message