From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 13:39:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114617 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 13:39:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946832479:20:07028:23; Sun, 02 Jan 2000 17:01:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122866; 2 Jan 2000 17:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04741 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:30:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04736 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:30:08 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.22) [193.149.81.22] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 124nrx-0004Yc-00; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:28:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 16:29:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bloated OvnPro Message-ID: <497a262ac6colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199912291435.OAA25254@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199912291435.OAA25254@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 29 Dec, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > This is one of those cases... The above features would not be too > hard to add, for some people they would be very useful. The > problem is that for many others they'd just get in the way, 2 > more buttons, 2 more things to understand and remember about. > Before you know it someone would be saying the program was clumsy > or bloated. Hmmm, at the risk of causing an increase in the junk in this list - it has occurred to me on several occasions that we are in the grave danger of asking David Pilling to do things that would be *useful* to us, at the risk of doing exactly what he says above. ATM it is already obvious that not enough of us read the manual fully. Consequently this list is full of questions that could have been answered by reading the manual. If it gets bigger and more complicated - it will need a bigger manual. I am also aware that, in most peoples opinion, computer programs should be easy enough to use without reading the manual. I accept that in most cases this is true of the casual user. BUT, on reading the manuals for the third time I have found out *so* mush more information that I am glad I had the manual to read. Surely most of these requests could/ought to be added as applets - then it would be up to the individual user to activate them (or not!). Layers does seem to me a useful addition to the program, but consider the above first - adding the ability to keep !Photodesk layers active would be amazing. I also have found it frustrating trying to access a frame well down the stack. Hope all this is useful Colin W -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 13:40:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114630 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 13:40:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946847580:10:28812:17; Sun, 02 Jan 2000 21:13:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028776; 2 Jan 2000 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05243 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 20:43:35 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05238 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 20:43:33 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.7]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA2EF0 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:42:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 21:41:14 +0100 Subject: Picture reference Message-ID: <497a3d41bfdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all, I very heavily make use of the option to reference pictures. But rather often OvationPro can't find some of those pictures anymore! It displays an error box, saying that picture ... is not found and the document only opens the very top inch. Now I have two questions: - Am I the only one to experience this? (I didn't change Anything, regarding the pictures file path!) - Could OvationPro change slightly, so that you still can open the entire document, just hiding the pictures that it cannot find. (Suggestion: when you click in such a picture frame, the program pops up an error box with the path where the program expected to find the picture.) Some of my documents had to be re-edited 3 or even 4 times, shift-dragging the same pictures from the same directory to the same frame. What happened? Have I done something stupid again? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 13:43:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114670 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 13:43:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946977520:10:24268:17; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:18:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024232; 4 Jan 2000 9:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08905 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:59:24 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08900 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:59:22 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.162] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 125Pnl-0007W9-00; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:58:49 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:45:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:44:26 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Message-ID: <864d37b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Muscat wrote: > On Mon 27 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way > > >that WIMP environments do, > > > > I'll say this, it would be relatively easy to add layers to OPro, most > > of the support is in there already. For example the guidelines live > > in one layer, frames in another. > > > > Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why > > such layers are useful? > > > > > > Although this is rather specialised, you could use layers to create > multilingual documents that demand layout fidelity. > > You could also set up different versions of a document in one file. Yes - I suppose I was thinking along similar lines. We quite often need to produce two versions of a document: one in black & white or spot colour for printing and a second version in full colour, lower resolution for creating PDFs for reading on the screen. It's no huge deal at present to create a second version of the document but it is sometimes a struggle to ensure that both versions are similarly updated when we need to make corrections to the text. I suppose we could put different pictures on different layers and make only one visible? (The opposite situation from the multilingual text). I guess one of the problems with layers is working out whether objects in a layer should affect text flow on other layers, even if the layer is currently 'invisible'. I guess the layer control must stipulate such things as (a) flow control (b) visibility (c) printing (d) currently selectable/editable. You would also need to be able to move an object from one layer to another. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 13:44:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114679 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 13:44:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946950693:20:11542:24; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 01:51:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101969; 4 Jan 2000 1:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08239 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:24:45 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08234 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:24:43 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125Ii4-000A3h-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:24:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 00:50:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <114357@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 27 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way > >that WIMP environments do, > > I'll say this, it would be relatively easy to add layers to OPro, most > of the support is in there already. For example the guidelines live > in one layer, frames in another. > > Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why > such layers are useful? > > Although this is rather specialised, you could use layers to create multilingual documents that demand layout fidelity. You could also set up different versions of a document in one file. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 21:48:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114756 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 21:48:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947021914:10:12920:26; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 21:38:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114561; 4 Jan 2000 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10686 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:08:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10681 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:08:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125bBO-00016i-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:07:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 18:59:43 GMT Message-Id: <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >It displays an error box, saying that picture ... is not found and the >document only opens the very top inch. The workaround is to open the view options window and hide pictures, this should allow you to get to the picture in question and look at its referenced path. >(I didn't change Anything, regarding the pictures file path!) Presumeably if the paths were document relative, moving the document and not the pics would do the damage. >- Could OvationPro change slightly, so that you still can open the entire >document, just hiding the pictures that it cannot find. I do agree the current position is not ideal, the punishment for losing a reference is a bit too harsh. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 21:48:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114758 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 21:48:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947021908:20:12799:18; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 21:38:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117447; 4 Jan 2000 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10718 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:22:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10713 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:22:19 GMT Received: from (194.69.105.210) [194.69.105.210] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 125bOm-0003LO-00; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:21:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:29:08 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Message-ID: <497B3E53C6%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <864d37b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <864d37b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <864d37b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> David Graddol wrote: > I guess one of the problems with layers is working out whether > objects in a layer should affect text flow on other layers, even > if the layer is currently 'invisible'. I'd suppose that this would work in the same way as moving an object to the back/front ATM. > I guess the layer control must stipulate such things as (a) flow control > (b) visibility (c) printing (d) currently selectable/editable. You would > also need to be able to move an object from one layer to another. And perhaps to be able to copy an entire layer to a new layer. -- The first myth of management is that it exists. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:03:37 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk ([195.184.224.198]) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16685 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:58:20 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:50:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Picture reference To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <497a3d41bfdelink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry I'm a bit late in replying. On Sun 02 Jan, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Dear all, > > I very heavily make use of the option to reference pictures. > But rather often OvationPro can't find some of those pictures anymore! > It displays an error box, saying that picture ... is not found and the > document only opens the very top inch. > > Now I have two questions: > - Am I the only one to experience this? > (I didn't change Anything, regarding the pictures file path!) No. > - Could OvationPro change slightly, so that you still can open the entire > document, just hiding the pictures that it cannot find. To achieve this, save the document as DDL. Then reload this. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 14:18:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114808 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 14:18:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947072963:20:22099:18; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:49:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104948; 5 Jan 2000 11:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12617 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:19:32 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12612 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:19:31 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk ([195.184.224.206]) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00095 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:14:13 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:51:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Fill Applet 1.01 and Calligraph To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <113482@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello Has anyone managed to get the Fill aplet to work with a Calligraph A4 laser printer? It works fine with my Epson PhotoEX but with the Calligraph I get a Sprite Extend error. (This is actually the same error I get if I try to print a 24 bit sprite on the Calligraph, but this is less of a problem as I can convert sprites to grey scale first.) I am using version 3.21-(5 Dec 1996) of the Calligraph A4-1200 PrinterDP printer driver. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 14:18:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114811 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 14:18:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947075194:20:06496:49; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:26:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116429; 5 Jan 2000 12:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12815 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:58:22 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12810 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:58:20 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.166.45]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id FNV2JB00.D92 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:57:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:35:01 +0100 Subject: Picture reference Message-ID: <497b96c1b2delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear Mr. Pilling, > >(I didn't change Anything, regarding the pictures file path!) > Presumeably if the paths were document relative, moving the document > and not the pics would do the damage. No, they weren't. I didn't move the pictures, nor the document. Could there be another reason that causes disappearing (or changing) picture references? By the way, your suggestion to look at the picture reference after having hidden the pictures is simple and effective. But not losing those references at all would be better, though! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 14:18:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114814 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 14:18:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947067606:10:28671:33; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:20:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122556; 5 Jan 2000 10:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12210 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:34:00 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12205 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:33:58 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust216.tnt2.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.242.216] with SMTP for id KAA03222 (8.8.8/1.19); Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:33:24 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000201bf575f$ea6b8d90$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <864d37b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:05:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Graddol wrote: > > On Mon 27 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > >Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way > > > >that WIMP environments do, > > > > > > I'll say this, it would be relatively easy to add layers to OPro, most > > > of the support is in there already. For example the guidelines live > > > in one layer, frames in another. > > > > > > Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why > > > such layers are useful? > > > > I guess one of the problems with layers is working out whether > objects in a layer should affect text flow on other layers, even > if the layer is currently 'invisible'. I guess the layer control > must stipulate such things as (a) flow control (b) visibility (c) > printing (d) currently selectable/editable. You would also need > to be able to move an object from one layer to another. Perhaps the way !Vector handles layers could be a good starting point. When you have several programs supporting layers, it would be nice if they behave more or less the same. I like the concept of layers. One could have easily more than one concept in a document and make a choice at a later stage. One could have a "memo" layer, containing notes needed during creation of the document. At the end all you need to do is delete the layers you don't use. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 14:18:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114818 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 14:18:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947069381:10:11070:19; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:49:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124194; 5 Jan 2000 10:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12359 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:11:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12354 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:11:42 GMT Received: from pennic.demon.co.uk ([194.222.34.50]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125nPJ-000IUL-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:11:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:09:45 +0100 Subject: Drag and drop text files. Message-ID: <497b8974c8sps@pennic.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Having got RISC-OS 4.02 and re-established everything I casually tried Ovation Pro 2.56 and it appeared to work OK. Yesterday I tried to drag a text file onto a blank page and got a Postmortem box saying it was an illegal address. I tried other text files including one generated by Ovation Pro with the same result. Dragging the files onto the icon bar had the same result. What have I forgotten to do? Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard || || || || Specialist Psychological Services ||||| |||| ||||| 8 Loxley Road, London SW18 3LJ || || || Tel. +44 (0) 181 874 1569 ||||| |||| ||||| sps@pennic.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 15:02:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114842 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 15:02:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947084132:20:29409:86; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:55:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108284; 5 Jan 2000 14:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13302 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:39:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13297 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:39:31 GMT Received: from edencroft.demon.co.uk ([193.237.142.83]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125raS-0001jo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:38:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:31:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeremy Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <200001050936.JAA12229@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Jeremy Roberts X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > Perhaps the way !Vector handles layers could be a good starting point. > When you have several programs supporting layers, it would be nice if they > behave more or less the same. As a 'newbie' to OPro, I did have a puzzle recently, when I was trying to recreate an Impression document in OPro, with a view eventually to changing over from the one to the other for this particular 'base' I use a lot. A complex multi-layered file in DrawPlus, which imported, appeared on screen, and printed perfectly well in Impression, only shows one layer on screen when imported into OPro (and only intermittently), and prints nothing. There is a workaround, in that the DrawPlus file does import successfully into OPro when all its layers except the base layer have been deleted - which of course has the effect of dumping all the objects onto the one base layer. Is this problem also an effect of inability to support layers in OPro, or am I missing something else here? Cheers, JR. -- Jeremy Roberts -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 18:33:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114847 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 18:33:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947094436:10:10846:35; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:47:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119808; 5 Jan 2000 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13655 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:22:02 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13650 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:22:00 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-s39-40-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.40] (may be forged)) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13988 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:16:39 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:59:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: POBar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <114601@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello I've just discovered the POBar applet :-) This seems like a nice idea if the intention is to put it on envelopes to aid sorting. But we do not really have enough information to use it. Is there a post office document with international codes and delivery points? Where on the envelope should the bar code go? How can we generate the codes automatically from the post code, e.g. during a mail merge? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 19:34:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114870 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 19:34:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947100131:20:03650:17; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:22:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2128959; 5 Jan 2000 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13902 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:51:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13897 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:51:49 GMT Received: from (194.69.105.157) [194.69.105.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 125vWY-0005Ju-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:51:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 23:12:50 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference Message-ID: <497B52CEE2%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07b X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > Could OvationPro change slightly, so that you still can open the entire > > document, just hiding the pictures that it cannot find. > I do agree the current position is not ideal, the punishment for losing > a reference is a bit too harsh. Would it be too complex to bring up a dialogue to request the new location(s) of the picture(s)? -- Disco is to music what Etch-A-Sketch is to art __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125wES-000J4F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:35:30 GMT Message-Id: <114852@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a post office document with international codes and delivery points? I believe the international codes are not in use, they're for the future. Delivery points are available, but only if you buy the PO's CD ROM of addresses. >Where on the envelope should the bar code go? Anywhere you like I think. >How can we generate the codes automatically from the post code, e.g. during >a mail merge? See the document in the web site resource pages on advanced mail merge. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 20:59:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114879 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 20:59:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947102506:10:27962:18; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:01:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104676; 5 Jan 2000 20:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14057 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14035 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125wEZ-000J4F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:39:05 GMT Message-Id: <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >By the way, your suggestion to look at the picture reference after having >hidden the pictures is simple and effective. So, you looked at the references, where they correct? That was the point, check that the referenced files point to something sensible. This is either going to be a bug (in which case it needs pinning down precisely, e.g. just what is the error message, how does one reproduce the bug), or its going to be some sort of mishap. For example you have ImageFS running, you reference a GIF file, no problem. You come back the next day, don't have ImageFS running, and of course the GIF file can no longer be loaded. There are lots of ways of breaking references. But given you have a broken reference, the thing I can think of is to check it out, look at the path, and then look what the path points at. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 20:59:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114880 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 20:59:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947102685:10:00871:17; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:04:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000805; 5 Jan 2000 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14033 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14028 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:13 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125wEV-000J4F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:38:07 GMT Message-Id: <114854@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yesterday I tried to drag a text file onto a blank page and got a >Postmortem box saying it was an illegal address. (1) Transloaders Symptom: When loading pictures or RTF, text or Impression DDF files there is a crash. Although OvationPro continues to be on the icon bar. Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro illegally accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders and replace the !Server file inside them with the new one available from the OvationPro web site File Library page. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 20:59:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114882 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 20:59:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947104234:10:00331:20; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:30:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1000290; 5 Jan 2000 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14079 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14058 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125wEe-000J4F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:52:36 GMT Message-Id: <114860@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A complex multi-layered file in DrawPlus, which imported, appeared on >screen, and printed perfectly well in Impression, only shows one layer on >screen when imported into OPro (and only intermittently), and prints >nothing. Maybe you could *private email* me the file so I can check it? Once upon a time I did sort out Draw+ file rendering, at the moment it is hard to put a hand on a copy of the program, given Vector is now for free... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 20:59:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114883 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 20:59:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947104327:10:02308:20; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:32:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002253; 5 Jan 2000 20:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14071 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14040 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:21 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125wEc-000J4F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:43:55 GMT Message-Id: <114858@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet 1.01 and Calligraph X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Has anyone managed to get the Fill aplet to work with a Calligraph A4 laser >printer? It works fine with my Epson PhotoEX but with the Calligraph I get a >Sprite Extend error. (This is actually the same error I get if I try to print >a 24 bit sprite on the Calligraph, but this is less of a problem as I can >convert sprites to grey scale first.) See the NewFuncs document, this is probably relevant... void printchoices2(int printbits_xor, int printbits_and, int spare, int spare); The bits of parameter printbits control miscellaneous printing defaults. Bit Meaning when set when bit 0 of R3 is set. 1 Use grey scale sprite for output to mono printers. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 22:26:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114900 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 22:26:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947110650:10:03307:37; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:17:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003025; 5 Jan 2000 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14877 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:45:34 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14872 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:45:32 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-29.access.ch [212.161.131.29]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17289 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:44:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:43:54 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all, Based on a long conversation with an expert of the Swiss postal coding system the following info might be useful. On Wed 05 Jan, Steve Ellacott wrote: > Hello > > I've just discovered the POBar applet :-) This seems like a nice idea if the > intention is to put it on envelopes to aid sorting. > > But we do not really have enough information to use it. Yes, yo do. As far as the UK is concerned. And David Pilling also added a separate applet for The Netherlands. A separate applet because the coding principles in these 2 countries are different. So for these 2 countries these 2 applets are all you need. > Is there a post office document with international codes and delivery points? Based on my talks with the Swiss expert it seems that presently every country has its own system. In Switzerland only the postal service can add the postal coding to envelopes (some big companies have access to the Swiss postal coding program so can also use it). For you and me it is not possible. One of the reasons is that as a normal user one cannot enter the time of reception for delivery at the post office. Nor the added coding once it has arrived at the final post office of destination... Swiss precision! How to complcate life... > > Where on the envelope should the bar code go? The bar code should be *underneath* the normal address. Letters sent abroad are not coded by the post office at the point of reception, but can eventually be coded at the point of delivery. Any letter being sent abroad is based on the country stated in the address, not on any coding. > How can we generate the codes automatically from the post code, e.g. during > a mail merge? My mail merging knowledge is limited, so I leave this to others for a useful advice. For which I would be grateful as well. But I believe something about adding styles has been mentioned in the past. I use the Dutch/British coding often and have discovered that it does speed up delivery very much compared to non coded mailing. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 23:15:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114903 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 23:15:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947112243:10:05347:17; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:44:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115615; 5 Jan 2000 22:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14964 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:14:46 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14959 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:14:43 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user172.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.104]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06822 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:14:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 21:49:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: POBar Message-ID: <497bcefe34marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <114601@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA14960 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB14964 On 05 Jan, Steve Ellacott wrote: > Hello > I've just discovered the POBar applet :-) This seems like a nice idea i= f > the intention is to put it on envelopes to aid sorting. > But we do not really have enough information to use it. > Is there a post office document with international codes and delivery > points? No > Where on the envelope should the bar code go? Anywhere more than 25mm from any edge. Usually either to the bottom right of address or if using a window envelope, above the address as if it were the first line. > How can we generate the codes automatically from the post code, e.g. > during a mail merge? Ah,=A0now that's beyond me. Slainte --=20 Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 01:25:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114907 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 01:25:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947114331:10:18659:33; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:18:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105299; 5 Jan 2000 23:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15088 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15083 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:51 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.175) [193.149.85.175] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 125zSQ-0006o9-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:38:12 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Message-ID: <497BC2FE43%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Jeremy wrote: > A complex multi-layered file in DrawPlus, which imported, appeared on > screen, and printed perfectly well in Impression, only shows one layer on > screen when imported into OPro (and only intermittently), and prints > nothing. > > There is a workaround, in that the DrawPlus file does import successfully > into OPro when all its layers except the base layer have been deleted - > which of course has the effect of dumping all the objects onto the one base > layer. You could export it as a 'standard' drawfile which IIRC will effectively make it a single layer drawfile within OPro. -- The only thing funnier than how things don't work out, is how they do. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:46 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.175) [193.149.85.175] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 125zSM-0006o9-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:32:15 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. Message-ID: <497BC272E1%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <497b8974c8sps@pennic.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <497b8974c8sps@pennic.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497b8974c8sps@pennic.demon.co.uk> SPS wrote: > Having got RISC-OS 4.02 [...] I casually tried Ovation Pro 2.56 [...] > Yesterday I tried to drag a text file onto a blank page and got a > Postmortem box saying it was an illegal address. I tried other text files > including one generated by Ovation Pro with the same result. Dragging the > files onto the icon bar had the same result. What have I forgotten to do? Works okay here in both cases (RO3.7) so it may be RO4. I did wonder if your default doc' was corrupted or changed in some way, perhaps as a single graphics frame. I tried to do this, but couldn't figure out how to do it, so it may not be possible anyway. -- I don't steal taglines; I liberate them. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:09:33 GMT Received: from modem-91.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.11.219] helo=orchard-way) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #0) id 125zXw-0007Co-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:08:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:08:03 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference Message-ID: References: <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: Hi, Have you by any chance renamed the disc? Alan Adams > > > >By the way, your suggestion to look at the picture reference after having > >hidden the pictures is simple and effective. > > So, you looked at the references, where they correct? That was the point, > check that the referenced files point to something sensible. > > This is either going to be a bug (in which case it needs pinning down > precisely, e.g. just what is the error message, how does one reproduce the > bug), or its going to be some sort of mishap. > > For example you have ImageFS running, you reference a GIF file, no problem. > You come back the next day, don't have ImageFS running, and of course the > GIF file can no longer be loaded. > > There are lots of ways of breaking references. > > But given you have a broken reference, the thing I can think of is to check it > out, look at the path, and then look what the path points at. > > > > David Pilling > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:36:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114931 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:36:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947128711:20:27124:18; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 03:18:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102130; 6 Jan 2000 3:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16092 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:47:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16087 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:47:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1262x5-000EZy-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:47:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 02:40:33 GMT Message-Id: <114926@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New DDF loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Just before Xmas it came to light that if you have a style in an Impression DDF file whose name is the same as that of a DDF command (e.g. 'script') then the DDL produced by the loader won't work. DDF loader 1.11 which attempts to fix this is now on the web sites in the resource files section. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:37:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114942 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:37:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947154440:20:07457:18; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:27:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110219; 6 Jan 2000 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16730 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:56:59 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16725 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:56:57 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup046.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.208]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11739 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:54:17 GMT Message-ID: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: Subject: Calligraph Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:53:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is really off topic but we have a reader who wants to discuss some matters relating to Calligraph printers, now that Calligraph no longer exist - specifically availability of spares and use under RISC OS 4. What I need are names and telephone numbers of those who do not mind being called about this. Thanks Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:37:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114943 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:37:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947157526:10:19030:19; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:18:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019010; 6 Jan 2000 11:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16949 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:03:51 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16944 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:03:49 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.201] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 126Ago-0001vG-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:02:46 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:03:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:02:45 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing crop marks Message-ID: <71a3177c49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Does anyone know if there is an easy way to print a document with crop marks only on odd numbered (i.e. right hand) pages? I ask because when we print duplex, most laser printers will not align the reverse side precisely with the first side (+-2mm is the usual tolerance). So when we gullotine the stack, it is difficult to ensure that no traces of the crop marks still show on some pages. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:37:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114945 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:37:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947158131:10:00404:17; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:28:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121718; 6 Jan 2000 11:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16931 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:00:52 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16926 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:00:50 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.139]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA6F4E for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:00:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:57:17 +0100 Subject: Picture reference Message-ID: <497c172323delink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams wrote: > Have you by any chance renamed the disc? No. But I must have done some other stupidity, of course. I am now waiting for the next occurrence, so that I can check the file path (that was also stupid, for example. Not checking that path, I mean). I'll let you know. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:38:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114946 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:37:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947155728:20:29999:25; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:48:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123660; 6 Jan 2000 10:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16819 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:34:27 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16814 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:34:26 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.93) [193.149.84.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126AEd-0006eK-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:33:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:49:12 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 5 Jan 2000 (18:38:07), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > (1) Transloaders > Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro > illegally accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders > and replace the !Server file inside them with the new one available > from the OvationPro web site File Library page. > Does the same !Server file serve all the Transloaders? I've updated some of the Transloaders (not all were on your site) and have a variety of dates for the !Server file(s). TransIMP: 26 Nov 1999 TransRTF: 05 Aug 1999 TransDDF: 05 Aug 1999 TransPCD: 21 Jan 1997 TransFSI: 21 Jan 1997 Tho' I'm not (yet) using RISC OS4 it would be better to be ready! Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:38:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114951 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947163909:10:05997:21; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:05:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121470; 6 Jan 2000 13:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17527 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:50:45 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17522 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:50:40 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p38.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.38]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11090 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:48:02 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <38748EA9.B2B99262@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:46:33 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New DDF loader References: <114926@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > Just before Xmas it came to light that if you have a style in an > Impression DDF file whose name is the same as that of a DDF command > (e.g. 'script') then the DDL produced by the loader won't work. > > DDF loader 1.11 which attempts to fix this is now on the web sites > in the resource files section. Would it be possible to put the date of the latest version of s/w on the web site in addition to its version number? That would make it simpler to keep up to date without having to compare version numbers all the time, Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 15:12:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114975 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 15:12:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947168565:10:12518:20; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:22:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114709; 6 Jan 2000 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17503 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:47:19 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17498 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:47:11 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p38.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.38]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21479 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:46:00 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <38748E3A.D9D031EE@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:44:42 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference References: <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Re: graphic references One thing that occurred to me was that OPro could default to looking for a referenced graphic in the same directory as the file containing the reference. This is the behaviour of Fireworkz, and it avoids problems when moving a multi-file document from one directory to another, or indeed (as happened with me) when the actual directory is renamed. I used the reference and proxy facilities for the first time on a 'serious' document yesterday, and found them most valuable. Many thanks for all the new stuff, Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:01:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114981 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:01:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947172766:10:01512:79; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:32:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124242; 6 Jan 2000 15:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17924 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:15:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17918 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:15:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126EcI-0002E7-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:14:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:07:53 GMT Message-Id: <114969@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing crop marks X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does anyone know if there is an easy way to print a document with >crop marks only on odd numbered (i.e. right hand) pages? It is certainly easy if you're prepared to tweek the imposition script.if(back of page) don't render crop marks... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:01:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114983 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:01:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947173631:20:15899:66; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:47:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016244; 6 Jan 2000 15:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17929 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:15:14 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17923 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:15:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126EcF-0002E7-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:14:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:06:32 GMT Message-Id: <114967@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does the same !Server file serve all the Transloaders? Yes. >TransIMP: 26 Nov 1999 I don't know how you got that. >TransRTF: 05 Aug 1999 At any rate the one dated 1999 is the current one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:01:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114985 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:01:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947175552:10:04017:197; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:19:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1115775; 6 Jan 2000 16:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18194 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:01:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA18189 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:01:29 GMT Received: from (193.149.91.70) [193.149.91.70] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126FL5-0000iN-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:00:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:51:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Calligraph Message-ID: <497c270b5drichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> References: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat>, Mike Williams wrote: > This is really off topic but we have a reader who wants to discuss some > matters relating to Calligraph printers, now that Calligraph no longer > exist - specifically availability of spares and use under RISC OS 4. > What I need are names and telephone numbers of those who do not mind > being called about this. > Thanks > Mike Williams > Akalat Publishing OK - count me in! Looks like time we started a mutual self-help mail-list? Unless anyone else wants to host it, then I have just set up a maillist calligraph@4qd.co.uk for matters relating to Calligraph printers. Please feel free to use it and circulate the word. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:01:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114988 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:01:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947175101:20:14306:89; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:11:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103670; 6 Jan 2000 16:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18126 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:40:05 GMT Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18121 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:40:02 GMT Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23604 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23574 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:39:12 -0000 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA31BF@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Printing crop marks Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:39:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro what about different master frames for the LH and RH pages. Then use the new 'borders' picker to pick borders with the crop marks only for the master frames on the desired side? Christopher I Howe Bath > ---------- > From: David Graddol[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 06 January 2000 11:02 > To: ovationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Printing crop marks > > > Does anyone know if there is an easy way to print a document with > crop marks only on odd numbered (i.e. right hand) pages? > > I ask because when we print duplex, most laser printers will not > align the reverse side precisely with the first side (+-2mm is > the usual tolerance). So when we gullotine the stack, it is > difficult to ensure that no traces of the crop marks still show > on some pages. > > David > > > -- > The English Company (UK) Ltd > http://www.english.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:02:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114996 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:02:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947181057:20:13949:43; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:50:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102776; 6 Jan 2000 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18702 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:35:53 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18697 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:35:52 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-s27-28-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.28] (may be forged)) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19943 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:30:08 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:02:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Fill Applet 1.01 and Calligraph To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <114858@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 05 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >Has anyone managed to get the Fill aplet to work with a Calligraph A4 laser > >printer? It works fine with my Epson PhotoEX but with the Calligraph I get a > >Sprite Extend error. (This is actually the same error I get if I try to print > >a 24 bit sprite on the Calligraph, but this is less of a problem as I can > >convert sprites to grey scale first.) > > > See the NewFuncs document, this is probably relevant... > > void printchoices2(int printbits_xor, int printbits_and, int spare, int spare); > > The bits of parameter printbits control miscellaneous printing defaults. > > Bit Meaning when set > > when bit 0 of R3 is set. > 1 Use grey scale sprite for output to mono printers. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Thanks for the reply. My !Choices file contained the line printchoices2(16,0,0,0); I have tried changing this to printchoices2(17,0,0,0); to set bit 0, but unfortunately this seems to make no difference. Am I misunderstanding your reply, or does the problem lie elsewhere? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:02:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114998 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:02:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947181168:20:16743:18; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:52:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016169; 6 Jan 2000 17:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18671 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:23:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18666 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:23:45 GMT Received: from (62.188.143.112) [62.188.143.112] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126GcZ-0003DL-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:22:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:34:51 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: v256 and coloured pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Perhaps my problem has already been covered.. I must confess to reading only some of the comments on the list! I installed v256 a few weeks ago and encountered no problems till today. I was printing out a file which contained about 7 coloured pictures - of people and scenes. The output was horribly overcoloured as when you turn up the colour knob on a TV. As I had used this same file last year (for Mock exams coming up next week!) I was surprised. I tried altering the picture=>process=> gamma but though I could change it, it had no effect on the print-out. Thinking that this could be something to do with the change to v256, I loaded my back-up of v252 and tried that. The result was that the file printed with correct colour. Is this a known fault or am I doing something wrong? As I print a lot of sheets with pictures I can at least revert to v252 so the problem is not fatal for me! -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:02:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114999 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:02:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947181402:20:19560:18; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:56:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018837; 6 Jan 2000 17:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18750 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:37:35 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18744 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:37:32 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-s27-28-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.28] (may be forged)) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20306 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:31:54 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:36:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Calligraph To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <497c270b5drichard@4qd.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 06 Jan, Richard Torrens wrote: > > > OK - count me in! > > Looks like time we started a mutual self-help mail-list? > > Unless anyone else wants to host it, then I have just set up a maillist > > calligraph@4qd.co.uk > How do we subscribe? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:26:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115012 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:25:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947182393:10:02083:124; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:13:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004401; 6 Jan 2000 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18708 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:35:57 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18703 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:35:54 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-s27-28-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.28] (may be forged)) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19956 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:30:11 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:43:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Calligraph To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 06 Jan, Mike Williams wrote: > This is really off topic but we have a reader who wants to discuss some > matters relating to Calligraph printers, now that Calligraph no longer > exist - specifically availability of spares and use under RISC OS 4. What I > need are names and telephone numbers of those who do not mind being called > about this. > Yes I am definitely interested. Contact details in my sig. How can we get toner and drums? I was offered toner by BCDS (for a Dataproducts LZR 888, which is the print engine used) but having been twice sent the wrong one, I was finally told that it would take a month. So I got my money back and ordered from CJE Micros. I doubt CJE have large supply. Anyone know a reliable source? I am resigned to abandoning the beast eventually, but the screening and other features are so useful that I will put up with its quirks as long as possible. It works under RO4 by the way. At least, as well as it did under 3.7:-) Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 19:15:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115019 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 19:15:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947184204:10:08063:23; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:43:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008785; 6 Jan 2000 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18906 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:09:41 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18901 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:08:56 GMT Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120] helo=demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 126HKC-0002RT-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:07:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:05:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: POBar Message-ID: <497c3e615fjack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <114601@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > Hello > I've just discovered the POBar applet :-) This seems like a nice idea > if the intention is to put it on envelopes to aid sorting. > But we do not really have enough information to use it. > Is there a post office document with international codes and delivery > points? > Where on the envelope should the bar code go? > How can we generate the codes automatically from the post code, e.g. > during a mail merge? A couple of days ago I had a long but disappointing conversation with a helpful chap at PO head office after asking for a copy of an official handout about the scheme: he didn't know of any. I began by stating my belief that now everyone has been converted to using postcodes as a next step the PO would be encouraging the use of barcodes to make their life simpler. Not so it seems. I was told that bulk mailing (junkmail to you and me) accounts for 80% of the total volume of mail and 20% of firms account for that, a lot of it big scale stuff involving batches of 30 or 40K pieces. The setting-up of a barcoding system is done individually with each firm when special terms are negotiated. Apparently the postioning of a barcode on an envelope is critical and it seems that the PO want to make sure that the scheme is kept under their own tight control. At the same time, however, they have certain staff at pedal-operated machines, reading addresses off a monitor as letters pass by and typing on barcodes. Well, that's what I was told. My informant said he was a generalist and would get one of their technical team to ring me. I'm still waiting. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 19:15:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115021 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 19:15:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947184813:20:28331:29; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:53:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028240; 6 Jan 2000 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19019 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:33:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19014 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:33:30 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126Hez-000OET-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:29:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:14:30 GMT Message-Id: <115008@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One thing that occurred to me was that OPro could default to looking >for a referenced graphic in the same directory as the file >containing the reference. Thats not a bad idea, over the years this facility was proposed, we often had ideas of using default paths of one sort or another. I suppose you can do that by hand even now, because you can type in the reference path. It would open up another route to getting in a mess "why does the wrong picture load". >it avoids problems when moving a multi-file document from >one directory to another, or indeed (as happened with me) when >the actual directory is renamed. Obviously the program as it stands offers you the choice of document relative paths, and these do get around any renaming of folders or discs. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 19:15:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115022 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 19:15:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947184821:10:21853:19; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:53:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021787; 6 Jan 2000 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18989 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:30:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18983 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:30:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126Hey-000OET-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:29:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:11:42 GMT Message-Id: <115006@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet 1.01 and Calligraph X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >to set bit 0, but unfortunately this seems to make no difference. Am I >misunderstanding your reply, or does the problem lie elsewhere? Alas it came out a bit chewed up, if you look at the reference, you'll see that it is bit 1 which needs to be set, not bit 0. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 19:15:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115024 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 19:15:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947185153:10:29763:24; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:59:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123279; 6 Jan 2000 18:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19001 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:30:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18984 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:30:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126Hf0-000OET-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:29:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:20:20 GMT Message-Id: <115010@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >surprised. I tried altering the picture=>process=> >gamma but though I could change it, it had no effect on the >print-out. News to me... One thought is, have you conspired to be using 2.56 with the colour supplement from another version. A second is to look at colour choices and see if 'use correction table' is set (on 2.56 and not on 2.52), if you're using CC Turbos then this can have an effect even on composite output. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 20:08:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115035 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 20:08:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947186814:20:22611:28; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:26:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022659; 6 Jan 2000 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19309 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:58:24 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19304 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:58:23 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.179) [193.149.71.179] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126I6D-0006Gz-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:57:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:19:55 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar Message-ID: <497BD74AA1%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <114852@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114852@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07b X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <114852@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >Where on the envelope should the bar code go? > Anywhere you like I think. All the envelopes I've seen it on have it above the address with a blank line between them. -- Don't ever slam a door; you might want to go back. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:06:20 GMT Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126J9v-0005OY-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:05:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:16:16 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Long Filenames and Documents To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David I recently loaded !Longfilenames by Mr Trebbick, and it works fine. However, the dialogue box generated by the !Documents applet (I think- the one that gives the Documents option off the icon bar) will not allow the long filename to be seen, as it is restricted to the standard 10 letters. Is there a quick workaround or would the involve a lot of work? Whilst we are on the subject of this applet, would it be possible to amend it so that the last 15 files could be seen; 10 is nice, but 15 would be nicerunten. I appreciate you have to draw the line somewhere...! Many thanks for 2.56; I never cease to be amazed by the helpfulness shown by you and by all contributors to this ng. Where else in the world could you ask the author of software a question in the morning and have it dealt with the same day? Regards -- Paul Hutton "Indecision is the key to flexibility." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 21:33:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115041 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 21:33:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947191282:10:15262:17; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 20:41:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015227; 6 Jan 2000 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19900 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:11:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19895 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:11:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126JFQ-000L83-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:11:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:17:28 GMT Message-Id: <115027@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >helpful chap at PO head office after asking for a copy of an official >handout about the scheme: he didn't know of any. There is a document, because I had a copy. It covered the technical side rather than the commercial aspects. >Apparently the postioning of a barcode on an envelope is critical and it Further to what I said yesterday, ISTR the constraints are that it is vertical or horizontal and greater than some dimension from the edges. >seems that the PO want to make sure that the scheme is kept under their What do you expect of an organisation that is still trialing self adhesive stamps after 100 years. I was told that someone who works for the PO (and uses OPro) found the applet most interesting ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 23:18:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115059 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 23:18:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947198253:10:15758:17; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 22:37:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115555; 6 Jan 2000 22:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20381 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:14:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20376 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:14:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126LAJ-000Ccq-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:13:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 22:04:31 GMT Message-Id: <115054@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Long Filenames and Documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, the dialogue box generated by the !Documents applet (I think- the >long filename to be seen, as it is restricted to the standard 10 letters. I think I probably didn't bother to tell you, Document applet 1.02 went up on the web site in December and supports long filenames. >are on the subject of this applet, would it be possible to amend it so that >the last 15 files could be seen; 10 is nice, but 15 would be nicerunten. I There is a variable at the start of the script file in the applet int document_number = 10; change the 10 to 15... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 23:19:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115061 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 23:19:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947199857:10:22295:17; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:04:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022245; 6 Jan 2000 23:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20460 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:34:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20455 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:34:00 GMT Received: from (62.188.142.7) [62.188.142.7] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126LSt-0007VR-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:33:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:40:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Calligraph Message-ID: <497c470b8erichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <497c270b5drichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Thu 06 Jan, Richard Torrens wrote: > > > > > > OK - count me in! > > > > Looks like time we started a mutual self-help mail-list? > > > > Unless anyone else wants to host it, then I have just set up a maillist > > > > calligraph@4qd.co.uk > > > How do we subscribe? Sorry: Subscribe: -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 13:49:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115085 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 13:49:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947228570:10:27775:17; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 07:02:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119283; 7 Jan 2000 7:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21432 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:32:29 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21427 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:32:26 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS4-p21.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.162.149]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24640 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:31:28 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <38758860.7CBFE569@netvision.net.il> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 08:32:00 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference References: <115008@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > >One thing that occurred to me was that OPro could default to looking > >for a referenced graphic in the same directory as the file > >containing the reference. > Obviously the program as it stands offers you the choice of document relative > paths, and these do get around any renaming of folders or discs. Oops. I missed that facility! Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 13:49:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115090 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 13:49:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947242970:10:29716:46; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 11:02:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025351; 7 Jan 2000 10:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21921 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:27:43 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21916 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:27:41 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA04320 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:26:40 GMT Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:26:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Capital letters in spellcheck To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R This seems like something that must have been discussed before - apologies if I have missed it. I did a spell check on a document which objected to 'Data'; 'data' was suggested as an alternative. What's going on? Regards Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 14:29:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115118 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 14:29:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947254138:10:04713:19; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:08:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1010732; 7 Jan 2000 13:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22386 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:52:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22381 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:52:16 GMT Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120] helo=demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126YrL-000Jnn-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:51:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:53:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Calligraph Message-ID: <497c483aebjack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> References: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat>, Mike Williams wrote: > This is really off topic but we have a reader who wants to discuss some > matters relating to Calligraph printers, now that Calligraph no longer > exist - specifically availability of spares and use under RISC OS 4. What I > need are names and telephone numbers of those who do not mind being called > about this. Count me in. I would welcome a forum where we beleagured souls could obtain mutual support for what is still a 95% excellent printer. Last August I bought a toner refill from David Humphrey at what struck me as a reasonable price. He was then available at 10 Willow Walk, Cambridge CB1 1LA, cal@ar.telme.com and 01646 683203. Richard Piller who wrote most of the Calli code and now lives in S Africa recently surfaced in csa.hardware, causing nemo@argonet.co.uk to offer: > If you don't have the equipment or the inclination to continue > development(!) - and no one would expect you to - I'd be happy to > maintain the printer driver code, with a view to getting 4-up working > apart from anything else! This was an exchange that I took part in and I asked a couple of questions, copying, unsuccessfully it seems, to this group and consequently my questions didn't get answered. I'll try again. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 0117 9736237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 15:59:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115124 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 15:59:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947257200:10:19525:89; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:00:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1015553; 7 Jan 2000 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22816 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:00:29 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22811 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:00:27 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126ZvK-0004vU-01 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:59:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 13:59:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: French spellcheck dictionary Message-ID: <497caba914C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Courtesy of Richard Mawhood, there is now a 63,000 word French spellcheck dictionary available on the alternative OPro web site (url in sig) -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 15:59:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115125 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 15:59:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947258861:10:03409:21; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:27:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109243; 7 Jan 2000 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23021 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:38:52 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23016 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:38:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126aWS-000Eun-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:37:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:07:20 GMT Message-Id: <115115@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Capital letters in spellcheck X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I did a spell check on a document which objected to 'Data'; 'data' was >suggested as an alternative. What's going on? I'd have a look at the spell check dictionary. For example if it has DATA in then it will force that as the correct capitalisation. My copy of OPro (my copy of the main spell check dictionary) does not object to Data. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 21:09:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115163 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 21:09:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947275720:10:14838:17; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 20:08:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121677; 7 Jan 2000 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23754 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:48:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA23749 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:48:00 GMT Received: from (62.188.131.173) [62.188.131.173] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126fLa-0001sx-00; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:46:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:59:01 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 6 Jan 2000 (15:06:32), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > >Does the same !Server file serve all the Transloaders? > > Yes. > Thanks, David. > >TransIMP: 26 Nov 1999 > > I don't know how you got that. > It came from your site, I'm fairly sure! The !Help file has your name and address. The Messages file is virtually the same as the corresponding TransRTF file. Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 22:17:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115169 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 22:17:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947282018:10:12562:17; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 21:53:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012529; 7 Jan 2000 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23987 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:19:47 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23982 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:19:45 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-120.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.120]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24615 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:18:38 GMT Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 18:53:28 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38758860.7CBFE569@netvision.net.il> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro With regard to relative referencing - is there an existing way to make OP work out the _relative_ path automatically? If not, perhaps a radio option could be added to the reference dialogue that allows you to switch between "{filename}.^...." style reference and "ADFS::HardDisc4...." type reference. And, then, a button to "Make all references relative" and the converse "Make all references absolute". Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 22:49:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115174 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 22:49:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947284803:10:18911:18; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 22:40:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108091; 7 Jan 2000 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24141 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 22:20:56 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24136 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 22:20:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126hjV-000O2I-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 22:19:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 21:10:04 GMT Message-Id: <115165@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>>TransIMP: 26 Nov 1999 >> I don't know how you got that. >It came from your site, I'm fairly sure! Oh yes it came from my site, no question. The problem is the date stamp, the one on my hard disc is dated 5th August like all the other !Servers. Don't worry about it... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 8 01:59:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115181 for opro ; Sat, 08 Jan 100 01:59:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947293485:10:17779:17; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 01:04:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127099; 8 Jan 2000 1:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24581 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:06:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA24576 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:06:47 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.146) [62.188.136.146] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126jNn-0002aX-00; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:05:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:04:59 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 6 Jan 2000 (18:20:20), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>surprised. I tried altering the picture=>process=> >>gamma but though I could change it, it had no effect on the >>print-out. > >News to me... One thought is, have you conspired to be using >2.56 with the colour supplement from another version. No, the Info file in my 2.52 read 2.45 (?!) but the 2.56 one reads 2.56. > >A second is to look at colour choices and see if 'use >correction table' is set (on 2.56 and not on 2.52), >if you're using CC Turbos then this can have an effect >even on composite output. > >David Pilling Thank you. I am not using Turbos and the setting use correction table is the same in both. I have done a further test: a newly produced document with 2.56 prints OK. I tried another 'old' document on 2.56 and the same fault occurs. Should this be happening? I used a sprite file which was one of those which caused problems.. so that is not the cause. Is there a way of 'converting' older documents so that they would print correctly on v256? As I said last time, though I have a number of files with these coloyred pictures which I shall want to print again, at least I can print print them on v252 if no magic solution is to be found. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 8 14:01:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115193 for opro ; Sat, 08 Jan 100 14:01:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947306316:10:22813:17; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:38:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103238; 8 Jan 2000 4:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25143 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 03:29:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25138 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 03:29:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126mY7-000ML5-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 03:28:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 02:32:30 GMT Message-Id: <115191@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >No, the Info file in my 2.52 read 2.45 (?!) >but the 2.56 one reads 2.56. Presumeably that is not the applet version but the version of the program the applet is compatible with. >I have done a further test: a newly produced document >with 2.56 prints OK. I tried another 'old' document >on 2.56 and the same fault occurs. Should this be happening? No it shouldn't be happening, and no one else seems to have had the problem. >Is there a way of 'converting' older documents so that >they would print correctly on v256? No, you're inventing something here, there's no way of converting documents, because there is no difference in them. You say creating a new doc on 2.56 produces good results. I wonder if creating a new document on 2.52 would work on 2.56 too? Meaning that the trouble lies with the particular documents. For example image processing may be active on the pictures in them, some step that you've not repeated in the tests... >surprised. I tried altering the picture=>process=> >gamma but though I could change it, it had no effect on the >print-out. Seriously? Its perfectly possible to use the gamma correction to force an image to all white or all black, and you're saying the printout remains untouched? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 8 14:02:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115200 for opro ; Sat, 08 Jan 100 14:02:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947338620:20:01666:17; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:37:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001630; 8 Jan 2000 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25943 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:39:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA25938 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:39:37 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.14) [193.149.81.14] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126v8Q-0001rJ-00; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:38:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ian Wolfe) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:36:58 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R As an occasional and very amateurish user of OP, I hesitate to intrude on the Professionals' space but would be most grateful for any help with the following. I inserted a JPEG taken with an Olympus digital camera. It printed out fine. However, when I then increased the Brightness of the picture to 20 and tried to print again I got the message "Not enough memory" and it refused to print. (The Printer is a Canon BJC610). The FreeMem display shows 10. I'm still on my SARPC 3.7, using OP 2.56. -- Ian Wolfe Linlithgow - birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 8 16:42:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115212 for opro ; Sat, 08 Jan 100 16:42:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947346187:10:10919:18; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:43:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109001; 8 Jan 2000 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26150 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 14:33:51 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26145 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 14:33:49 GMT Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FO00035YTQBTX@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:32:35 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:33:32 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) In-reply-to: <114409@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <899b327d49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <114409@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <114409@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > >>Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why > >>such layers are useful? > >Could eradicate all problems selecting/activating overlapping things > >if used properly. > > The sort of things which worry me, are if objects on one layer > affect the text flow in objects on other layers. > Well I think you could keep that the way it used to be: Frames on top of other frames affect the text flow unless told otherwise. You might add an option to make for the entire layer text flow around frames. > Is the order of layers something that is set on the master pages, > on document pages (one page at a time), or globally for the whole > document? > Masterpage unless told otherwise (eg local or global). I think that's the most logical. You mght even make a difference into layers created on the masterpage (which are controlled there unless told otherwise) and layers created on a document page And also controlled there. > Come to think about it, why not do it the Vantage way, with families: With families you can have a group of layers you can easily put on top of another: father son grandson greatgrandson daughter grandaughter greatgranddaughter grandaughter2 so when you drag the daughter above the son all the children of the daughter will be on top of the son. It keeps the order of the other layers so you don't have to restore that again. If you don't teally understand me ask cerilica they can explain much better. grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 8 18:00:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115220 for opro ; Sat, 08 Jan 100 18:00:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947353263:20:18478:20; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:41:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112644; 8 Jan 2000 17:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26558 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:46:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26553 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:46:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126yyt-000LrX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:44:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 14:09:36 GMT Message-Id: <115205@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I inserted a JPEG taken with an Olympus digital camera. It printed out fine. >However, when I then increased the Brightness of the picture to 20 and tried to >print again I got the message "Not enough memory" and it refused to print. (The The theory is easy enough. If you image process or transform a JPEG it has to be rendered to a temporary sprite before being sent to the printer, and when printing is going on, spare memory for such purposes is limited. If you look at OPro program choices there is an entry 'print memory' which is there for just this purpose. So you can try increasing that amount. Plan B would be to constrain the printer drivers from grabbing all the memory, I suspect there is a way of doing that, but off hand I don't recall what it is? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 8 20:05:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115230 for opro ; Sat, 08 Jan 100 20:05:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947360478:10:23088:19; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:41:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022969; 8 Jan 2000 19:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26822 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:34:30 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26817 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:34:28 GMT Received: from modem-2.keyhole-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.34.2] helo=loopback) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #0) id 1270fn-00019G-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:33:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 12:48:03 +0000 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: R-mail (Was: POBar) Message-ID: <3cf3287d49%snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <115027@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.23 (11 Feb 1999) alpha-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <115027@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: [snip] >> seems that the PO want to make sure that the scheme is kept under their > > What do you expect of an organisation that is still trialing self > adhesive stamps after 100 years. I have no beef with the post office. They do their job and they do it well. I do not begrudge them 26p to get a letter anywhere in the country in 1 (2 at the most) days. OK, so they are still trialing self adhesive stamps after 100 years but lets talk about appropriate technology here. Just because something is possible doesn't mean it is the best option. Does it really matter to the average man in the streat if he has to lick a stamp? I doubt it. I imagine that the reason self adhesive stamps are now being considered is because the technology is now mature enough for them to be as cheap and convenient as water soluable gummed stamps. -- (\/)atthew Hambley ----------------\ "You'd better hope there's intelligent \ life somewhere out in space because snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk \ there's bugger all down here on http://www.therealm.freeserve.co.uk/ \ Earth" - The Galaxy Song, M. Python -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 9 02:41:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115249 for opro ; Sun, 09 Jan 100 02:41:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947376239:20:18996:20; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 00:03:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018886; 9 Jan 2000 0:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27383 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:10:26 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27378 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:10:24 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop11-54.access.ch [212.161.131.182]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA31307 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:09:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:08:12 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <115165@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 07 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > >>>TransIMP: 26 Nov 1999 > >> I don't know how you got that. > >It came from your site, I'm fairly sure! > > Oh yes it came from my site, no question. The problem is > the date stamp, the one on my hard disc is dated 5th August > like all the other !Servers. Don't worry about it... Dates are mixed up here. The application !TransIMP was datestamped 26 Nov 1999 as it was de-archived that day by Roger Foden. But the files within keep their original datestamp. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 9 18:04:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115256 for opro ; Sun, 09 Jan 100 18:04:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947397545:20:00281:18; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 05:59:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115730; 9 Jan 2000 5:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28301 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:04:09 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28296 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:04:04 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-28.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.158]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10034 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:02:37 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 08:54:55 +1400 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <115205@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 09 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I inserted a JPEG taken with an Olympus digital camera. It printed out fine. > >However, when I then increased the Brightness of the picture to 20 and tried to > >print again I got the message "Not enough memory" and it refused to print. (The > > The theory is easy enough. If you image process or transform a JPEG > it has to be rendered to a temporary sprite before being sent to the printer, > and when printing is going on, spare memory for such purposes is limited. > > If you look at OPro program choices there is an entry 'print memory' which > is there for just this purpose. So you can try increasing that amount. Thanks for reminding me of this, David. In the past I've always loaded the image into David Pilling's scanning software, saved out as a Sprite and then had no trouble. Much easier to increase the "print memory". David -- Proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 9 18:05:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115264 for opro ; Sun, 09 Jan 100 18:05:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947426077:10:03532:17; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 13:54:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1003464; 9 Jan 2000 13:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29202 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:58:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29197 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:58:21 GMT Received: from (62.188.132.248) [62.188.132.248] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 127HtV-0005aw-00; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:56:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:46:32 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 8 Jan 2000 (02:32:30), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>No, the Info file in my 2.52 read 2.45 (?!) >>but the 2.56 one reads 2.56. > >Presumeably that is not the applet version but the version >of the program the applet is compatible with. Well in the Info file it says something like major version 2 minor version 45. >You say creating a new doc on 2.56 produces good results. >I wonder if creating a new document on 2.52 would work >on 2.56 too? > Yes, I have now tried that and the new document prints OK on both versions of OP as you clearly expected it would! >Meaning that the trouble lies with the particular documents. >For example image processing may be active on the pictures in them, >some step that you've not repeated in the tests... > How do I switch off this image processing?? Perhaps the easiest way is to reimport each sprite or JPEG into the same frame and, as it were, start from scratch.. thus producing new documents which will be compatible with v256? -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 9 18:06:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115271 for opro ; Sun, 09 Jan 100 18:06:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947418066:20:10769:17; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:41:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010685; 9 Jan 2000 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28808 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 10:32:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA28803 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 10:32:31 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.59) [193.149.83.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 127Fcn-0001Ws-00; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 10:31:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ian Wolfe) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 10:29:15 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 8 Jan 2000 (14:09:36), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >I inserted a JPEG taken with an Olympus digital camera. It printed out > fine. > >However, when I then increased the Brightness of the picture to 20 and > tried to > >print again I got the message "Not enough memory" and it refused to > print. (The > > The theory is easy enough. If you image process or transform a JPEG > it has to be rendered to a temporary sprite before being sent to the > printer, and when printing is going on, spare memory for such purposes > is limited. > > If you look at OPro program choices there is an entry 'print memory' > which > is there for just this purpose. So you can try increasing that amount. Very many thanks indeed, David. I had to increase it considerably - from 195K to 595K - and it worked beautifully. -- Ian Wolfe Linlithgow - birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 9 19:55:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115290 for opro ; Sun, 09 Jan 100 19:55:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947445918:10:28799:17; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:25:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028626; 9 Jan 2000 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29760 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:17:10 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29755 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:17:08 GMT Received: from modem-34.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.8.34] helo=beeston12) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #0) id 127MsM-0002Mv-00; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 18:15:39 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 18:00:44 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: A sticky end? (Was Re: R-mail) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3cf3287d49%snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear OvationPro users, In message <3cf3287d49%snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> Matthew Hambley wrote: > In message <115027@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > [snip] > >> seems that the PO want to make sure that the scheme is kept under their > > > > What do you expect of an organisation that is still trialing self > > adhesive stamps after 100 years. Following comments from others, may I just say that I only very recently learnt that self-adhesive stamps are available at all. This note informs us that the present sales of such stamps are regarded as a "trial". So, what's the problem? I gather they are available, as surely that is the important thing. Now if they were proposing to withdraw ordinary gummed stamps?... That would be a trial indeed! Stick to it! Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 9 21:47:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115292 for opro ; Sun, 09 Jan 100 21:47:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947451187:10:17772:17; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:53:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017704; 9 Jan 2000 20:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29991 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:59:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29986 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:59:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127OTV-000Bnp-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:58:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:52:12 GMT Message-Id: <115288@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How do I switch off this image processing?? I think you have to select the picture, delete it, and then reimport. That would be interesting to try, see if it then prints OK. But there really shouldn't be a problem. I wonder if you're processing them in CMYK space and the settings used for that conversion have changed. I still feel the likelyhood is either the colour supplement applet being wrong, or the colour choices settings having changed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 9 23:36:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115304 for opro ; Sun, 09 Jan 100 23:36:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947458786:10:10182:17; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 22:59:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128430; 9 Jan 2000 22:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30243 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:52:34 GMT Received: from jaguars.cableinet.net (jaguars-int.cableinet.net [193.38.113.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30238 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:52:33 GMT Received: (qmail 31139 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2000 21:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (194.117.138.245) by jaguars with SMTP; 9 Jan 2000 21:28:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Hughes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 21:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <497dde70bfbob.hughes@cableinet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.8 Subject: Closing documents Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have been using OVpro for some time now, but ( and i suspect the answer is in the manula but I cannot find it if it is !) When I close an Ovpro document with its window is it possible to click it open again from the icon bar without reloading it ? As I used Impression this feature is one I'm used to. I've checked what I thought were likely places choices etc. TIA -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 02:58:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115309 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 02:58:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947463568:10:08554:17; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:19:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126314; 10 Jan 2000 0:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30530 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:25:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA30525 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:25:19 GMT Received: from (62.188.134.69) [62.188.134.69] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 127RgH-0000ab-00; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:23:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:22:43 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >On Sat 8 Jan 2000 (02:32:30), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>You say creating a new doc on 2.56 produces good results. >>I wonder if creating a new document on 2.52 would work >>on 2.56 too? >> >Yes, I have now tried that and the new document prints OK >on both versions of OP as you clearly expected it would! Further tests on original 2.52 documents printed from v256: I tried replacing the pictures with original JPEGs but same overcoloured print-out results. So it seems that whatever it is that causes the fault is either connected with the document or the picture frame. What I suppose (now) that I should have done was to draw a new frame on the page and put a JPEG into it so that we could know whether it is the document or the frame where the problem arises. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 02:58:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115310 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 02:58:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947465795:20:20012:30; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:56:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019983; 10 Jan 2000 0:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30599 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:42:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30594 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:42:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127Rwx-000HJh-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:40:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 23:37:10 GMT Message-Id: <115306@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Closing documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I close an Ovpro document with its window is it possible to click it >open again from the icon bar without reloading it ? As I used Impression >this feature is one I'm used to. Install the HideDoc applet. The instructions with it will make all clear. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 13:23:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115314 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 13:23:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947477804:20:17175:23; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:16:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017185; 10 Jan 2000 4:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31556 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 03:07:44 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31551 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 03:07:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127VAQ-000Pvo-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 03:06:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:59:34 GMT Message-Id: <115311@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tried replacing the pictures with original JPEGs >but same overcoloured print-out results. Yes but unfortunately doing the above does not reset the image processing settings - see my previous message. I'd not noticed before the word 'JPEG'... The point is that on 2.52 image processing will have no effect at all on JPEG's. On 2.56 it will - new feature. So supposing you have image processing active on these images, results may be right, results may be wrong, but they certainly will be different betweeen 2.52 and 2.56. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 13:24:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115321 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 13:24:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947498785:10:26794:28; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:06:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124753; 10 Jan 2000 10:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32105 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:07:00 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32100 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:06:58 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA12924 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:06:52 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:04:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Capital letters in spellcheck To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <115115@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 07 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >I did a spell check on a document which objected to 'Data'; 'data' was > >suggested as an alternative. What's going on? > > I'd have a look at the spell check dictionary. For example if it has > DATA in then it will force that as the correct capitalisation. > > My copy of OPro (my copy of the main spell check dictionary) does not > object to Data. > That's interesting. Is the main dictionary still the one released on floppy with 2.46? Perhaps mine has got corrupted somehow. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 14:29:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115342 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 14:29:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947514662:10:05109:67; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:31:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025138; 10 Jan 2000 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32728 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:58:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA32723 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:58:37 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.38) [62.188.136.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 127fKN-0005aw-00; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:57:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:12:41 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 10 Jan 2000 (02:59:34), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: Thanks for your patient help - even at 3.00 am you are willing to help - those i/c of OP never sleep? > >>I tried replacing the pictures with original JPEGs >>but same overcoloured print-out results. > >Yes but unfortunately doing the above does not reset the >image processing settings - see my previous message. > >I'd not noticed before the word 'JPEG'... The point is that on >2.52 image processing will have no effect at all on JPEG's. >On 2.56 it will - new feature. > >So supposing you have image processing active on these images, >results may be right, results may be wrong, but they certainly will be >different betweeen 2.52 and 2.56. I am now very muddled. I have tried replacing the 'pictures' with JPEGs (fresh ones from disk), I have tried taking the ones from the actual document, replacing them with a freshly generated sprite from Paint and then importing the ones taken from the doc into David Pilling's scanning software turning them into Sprites and replacing the newly generated sprites in the doc with these 'clean'? ones from David Pilling's scanning software. All produce the same effects!! So does replacing the 'picture' in a frame not erase any 'processing' which may have been applied to the 'picture' which was there before? In one message you told me to erase the picture.. I can certainly erase the frame and draw a new one.. but the frames are all carefully positioned on the page amongst the text and in practice it is certainly going to be easier simply to load the old version of OP to print out these 'old' docs rather than to effectively recompose the documents. The only glimmer of hope I can see is if image processing can be switched off as you seem to imply it can be. Thank you for all your help... you have spent too much time on this problem already but if there is an easy way of switching off this image processing in a document that might be the key. Incidentally if the problem is as we now think, is it not odd that others have not found it too? Am I the only person to be using 'photographs' -actually mostly stills from grabbed from TV- which needed a little adjustment before the appearance on paper was OK? -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 15:01:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115346 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 15:01:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947515833:10:04603:64; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:50:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1107176; 10 Jan 2000 14:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32712 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:52:19 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32707 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:52:18 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127fEv-0004hb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:52:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:52:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Italian dictionary Message-ID: <497e3686b2C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is now an Italian dictionary and Italian spelling extension applet on t'other OPro site (url in sig). -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 15:51:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115349 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 15:51:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947518047:10:29911:32; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:27:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1105638; 10 Jan 2000 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00381 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:33:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00376 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:33:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127ft3-000P8y-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:33:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:00:17 GMT Message-Id: <115337@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Capital letters in spellcheck X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >That's interesting. Is the main dictionary still the one released on floppy >with 2.46? Perhaps mine has got corrupted somehow. Yes, MainDict is still circa Sept '96. (i.e. pre 2.46). Incidentally I've just fixed a bug which leads to corruption of dictionaries when new words are added, with luck this will be the one which has caused all the trouble in the past. The same bug also appears in Spell, CrossStar, Ovation, WordSquare, WebSpell... Fixed versions of them will appear in due course. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 19:15:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115366 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 19:15:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947530365:10:01149:642; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:52:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014834; 10 Jan 2000 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01121 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:14:13 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01116 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:14:11 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA26591 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:14:00 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:14:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: selecting lines To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have just drafted a document which has two lines in it. One is horizontal and the other is vertical. I tried to move them when I inserted more text but I found I could not select the horizontal one. The mouse pointer just refused to acknowledge its existence. I tried enlarging the document and slowing the mouse down, all to no avail. Any ideas? Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 19:15:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115368 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 19:15:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947531695:10:29976:641; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:14:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110320; 10 Jan 2000 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00926 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:25:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00921 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:25:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127iZc-000Kt3-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:25:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:52:31 GMT Message-Id: <115350@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So does replacing the 'picture' in a frame not erase >any 'processing' which may have been applied to the >'picture' which was there before? Correct. >In one message you told me to erase the picture.. I can certainly erase the >frame and draw a new one.. but the frames are all carefully >positioned on the page amongst the text and in practice Double click to select the picture, then use 'delete picture' on the edit menu. So you delete the picture not the frame. >The only glimmer of hope I can see is if image processing >can be switched off as you seem to imply it can be. Alas it can't be switched off. If you import a picture into an empty frame there is no image procssing active. Once you've opened the process window and clicked on OK, image processing is active for ever. >Incidentally if the problem is as we now think, is >it not odd that others have not found it too? This is a good point... My feeling is that you imported JPEG's into 2.52, twiddled the image processing sliders with no effect, leaving strange values set. Then you load the docs into 2.56 and suddenly image processing does have an effect which you don't like. And notice that converting the JPEG's into sprites and keeping the same image processing would be expected to give the same results on 2.56. A corrolary is that if you converted the JPEG's into sprites things would probably go wrong on 2.52 too, because this would allow the image processing to take effect. I'd check what the image processing settings are - and turn them to neutral. RGB processing for RGB images, and a linear 45 degree transfer curve. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 21:05:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115371 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 21:04:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947532772:20:12830:20; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:32:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012817; 10 Jan 2000 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01362 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:16:10 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01357 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:16:08 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-12-69.easynet.co.uk [212.134.20.69]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B9017B21B for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:15:57 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:52:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: selecting lines Message-ID: <497e5206d1ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > I have just drafted a document which has two lines in it. One is > horizontal and the other is vertical. I tried to move them when I > inserted more text but I found I could not select the horizontal one. > The mouse pointer just refused to acknowledge its existence. I tried > enlarging the document and slowing the mouse down, all to no avail. Any > ideas? Hold down Ctrl and Shift and draw a selecting box round the line. This will select it. Then use menu Object...Modify to increase the line width. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 21:05:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115373 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 21:05:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947533258:20:22734:26; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:40:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022526; 10 Jan 2000 19:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01430 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:25:49 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01425 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:25:47 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-121.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.121]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA00605 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:25:33 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:54:32 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: A-Z type=5 Message-ID: <78ae4c7e49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R If found a way to crash OP (v2.56). Click on the "A-Z" button to show list of dictionaries. (The disctionary window opens) Click on "A-Z" again (The dictionary names turns to garbage) Double-Click on one of the (garbage) dictionary names (Type=5) Not a very important error in itself, but I suppose its cause may also be resposible for some other elusive error. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 21:06:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115379 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 21:06:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947534112:10:24145:94; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:55:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102922; 10 Jan 2000 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01414 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:21:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01409 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:21:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127kNl-0003UT-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:21:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:17:18 GMT Message-Id: <115369@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: selecting lines X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I found I could not select the horizontal one. The mouse pointer just refused >to acknowledge its existence. I tried enlarging the document and slowing the >mouse down, all to no avail. Any ideas? Control+Shift+Select Drag a box around it. That lets you select it, and then you can delete it. Alternatively use Select all on the page and Adjust unselect everything else. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 10 23:23:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115390 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jan 100 23:23:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947545366:10:05610:17; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:02:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109345; 10 Jan 2000 23:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02023 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:45:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02018 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:45:19 GMT Received: from (194.69.105.14) [194.69.105.14] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 127nYZ-0007Kx-00; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:45:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:36:24 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Closing documents Message-ID: <497E5601E0%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <115306@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <115306@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <115306@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Bob Hughes wrote: > > When I close an Ovpro document with its window is it possible to click it > > open again from the icon bar without reloading it ? As I used Impression > > this feature is one I'm used to. > Install the HideDoc applet. The instructions with it will make all clear. The Document applet may also be useful. -- If you sleep under the bed you must be a little potty __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:56:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127njF-000AGO-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:56:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:17:50 GMT Message-Id: <115387@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A-Z type=5 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >(The dictionary names turns to garbage) >Double-Click on one of the (garbage) dictionary names >(Type=5) Thanks, I've fixed it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 11 14:03:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115409 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jan 100 14:03:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947586601:20:21876:27; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:30:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113129; 11 Jan 2000 10:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03581 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:13:36 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03576 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:13:34 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA17336 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:13:14 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:13:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: selecting lines To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <115369@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 10 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I found I could not select the horizontal one. The mouse pointer just refused > >to acknowledge its existence. I tried enlarging the document and slowing the > >mouse down, all to no avail. Any ideas? > > Control+Shift+Select Drag a box around it. That lets you select it, > and then you can delete it. Alternatively use Select all on the page > and Adjust unselect everything else. > > Thanks, David. I knew there had to be a method. I tried a few things but I realized it was going to be a 'now why didn't I think of that'! Deleting the line allows me to start again or I can move it using the coordinates. It is still strange how the mouse seems unable to detect the presence of the line. It is the same after I have selected it as you suggest. I suppose it is because the line is narrow (0.25mm) and just happens to land on pixels the pointer jumps over. But, yet again, no! I tried changing it to 0.5mm and shifiting it down a mm, and I still can't select it with the mouse. Is this something funny about a horizontal line with height = 0 that the mouse can't see it? No, again! I drew a new horizontal line and I can select that without any problem. If I copy the old one I can't select the copy either. REgards Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 11 14:04:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115424 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jan 100 14:04:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947587862:10:26342:27; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:51:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101631; 11 Jan 2000 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03639 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:22:16 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03634 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:22:14 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA20526 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:21:53 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:22:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: selecting lines To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <497e5206d1ray@magray.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 10 Jan, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , Alf Chamings > wrote: > > I have just drafted a document which has two lines in it. One is > > horizontal and the other is vertical. I tried to move them when I > > inserted more text but I found I could not select the horizontal one. > > The mouse pointer just refused to acknowledge its existence. I tried > > enlarging the document and slowing the mouse down, all to no avail. Any > > ideas? > > Hold down Ctrl and Shift and draw a selecting box round the line. This > will select it. > > Then use menu Object...Modify to increase the line width. > Definitely something strange about this line. I selected it using this technique (thanks for that). Even when I increase its width to 4mm it is still not selectable with the mouse. Aha! Tried the 'save as DDL' trick. That works. The line is now easily selected with the mouse. Something strange must have happened to it in the process of being overwritten by text inserted earlier in the document (which was the reason I wanted to move it in the first place). Regards Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 11 14:04:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115427 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jan 100 14:04:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947594429:10:13393:164; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:40:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105385; 11 Jan 2000 12:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04044 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:02:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA04039 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:02:08 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.139) [62.188.135.139] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 127zzF-0003C7-00; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:01:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:53:54 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 10 Jan 2000 (15:52:31), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >...... >My feeling is that you imported JPEG's into 2.52, twiddled the image >processing sliders with no effect, leaving strange values set. Then you >load >the docs into 2.56 and suddenly image processing does have an effect >which you don't like. > >And notice that converting the JPEG's into sprites and keeping the >same image processing would be expected to give the same results on >2.56. > >A corrolary is that if you converted the JPEG's into sprites things >would probably go wrong on 2.52 too, because this would allow the image >processing to take effect. > >I'd check what the image processing settings are - and turn them to >neutral. RGB processing for RGB images, and a linear 45 degree transfer >curve. Yes, I think that must be the case, these tips will be very helpful in deciding how to deal with these documents. Thanks again for all your answers as we diagnosed the problem - some posted at 3.00 p.m and some at 3.00 a.m - It is nice to know that the guardians of OP are eternally vigilant! -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 11 14:04:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115428 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jan 100 14:04:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947597308:10:20730:45; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:28:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120292; 11 Jan 2000 12:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04189 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:14:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04183 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:14:56 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1280C3-00054u-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:14:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:10:07 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: selecting lines References: <497e5206d1ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message , Alf Chamings writes >On Mon 10 Jan, Ray Dawson wrote: >> In article , Alf Chamings >> wrote: >> > I have just drafted a document which has two lines in it. One is >> > horizontal and the other is vertical. I tried to move them when I >> > inserted more text but I found I could not select the horizontal one. >> > The mouse pointer just refused to acknowledge its existence. I tried >> > enlarging the document and slowing the mouse down, all to no avail. Any >> > ideas? >> >> Hold down Ctrl and Shift and draw a selecting box round the line. This >> will select it. >> >> Then use menu Object...Modify to increase the line width. >> >Definitely something strange about this line. I selected it using this >technique (thanks for that). Even when I increase its width to 4mm it is >still not selectable with the mouse. > >Aha! Tried the 'save as DDL' trick. That works. The line is now easily >selected with the mouse. Something strange must have happened to it in the >process of being overwritten by text inserted earlier in the document (which >was the reason I wanted to move it in the first place). > >Regards >Alf Chamings > Lines are certainly (IMHO) one of the less well-engineered bits in OPro. I don't know what you did, but here's how to reproduce it: 1. Draw a non-vertical, non-horizontal line. 2. Make it (precisely) horizontal, the easiest way is to set its height parameter to 0. 3. You will now no longer be able to select it, other than by using a select box! Now for an amusing extra feature: Select it, and drag one end point vertically. Watch it relocate its end points but not itself! It is commonly impossible to select this with a select box, because it's not where it appears to be! David is aware of these problems (I told him about it some while ago), but has not yet got round to fixing them. As you said, save to DDL and re-load fixes the problem, so maybe it's not of topmost urgency. I use lines quite a lot in my tech documentation, and have frequently had cause to curse them. Arrowheads are another of my favourite bugbears. I'm quite pleased someone else has noted problems, they may go up the priority list a bit ;-) -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 11 20:37:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115461 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jan 100 20:37:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947620642:20:21570:20; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:57:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021691; 11 Jan 2000 19:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05540 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:38:30 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05534 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:38:28 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-28.access.ch [212.161.130.28]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17421 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:38:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:16:48 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: selecting lines To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Snipping all postings but referring to the past comments of Alf Chamings and Tony van der Hoff, some of my experiences might be useful. 1. yes, saving out as DDL file is a possible solution; 2. magnifying to 1000% helps sometimes (select Zoom tool and then draw a rectangle over a small part of the line); 3. select all and deselect everything but the line; you can then change the line width on the Info palette; 4. and some similar tricks. But the important point is that when you select the line you must *not* select it in the middle. Because the pointer then does not see the line but one of the "sizing" boxes. Be it on one side of the line or the other. So if you try to select a line do it at 1/4 or 3/4 of its length. At times it helps. Tony van der Hoff also commented on arrowheads. OvPro does allow one to set a default for the arrowhead sizes (Icon-bar-menu > Line > Line choices) And regarding his "amusing extra feature". I had a similar experience but did not investigate further. I'll keep it in mind. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 11 22:06:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115468 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jan 100 22:06:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947626835:20:02412:34; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:40:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114856; 11 Jan 2000 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05874 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:10:48 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05868 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:10:46 GMT Received: (qmail 6534 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2000 21:10:19 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2000 21:10:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 28009 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2000 21:10:17 -0000 Received: from 218.02-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.69.218) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 11 Jan 2000 21:10:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:56:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: selecting lines To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Tue 11 Jan, Alf Chamings wrote: > Definitely something strange about this line. I selected it using this > technique (thanks for that). Even when I increase its width to 4mm it is > still not selectable with the mouse. > > Aha! Tried the 'save as DDL' trick. That works. The line is now easily > selected with the mouse. Something strange must have happened to it in the > process of being overwritten by text inserted earlier in the document (which > was the reason I wanted to move it in the first place). > > Regards > Alf Chamings > One thought occurs about this - When you draw the line it is the top of the stack, when you edit the text does the frame containing that text move up the stack above the line so you cannot select the line? Does saving as DDL put it back in the order it was with the text frame, created first, below the line? If you use the mouse to select the text frame (about all you can select at that point) and put it to the back, deselect by clicking outside the frame is the line then selectable? -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 12 13:47:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115499 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jan 100 13:46:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947671126:10:24891:63; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:58:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107988; 12 Jan 2000 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07566 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:37:09 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07560 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:37:07 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA25346 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:36:34 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:36:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: selecting lines To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 11 Jan, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > One thought occurs about this - When you draw the line it is the top of the > stack, when you edit the text does the frame containing that text move up > the stack above the line so you cannot select the line? Does saving as DDL > put it back in the order it was with the text frame, created first, below > the line? If you use the mouse to select the text frame (about all you can > select at that point) and put it to the back, deselect by clicking outside > the frame is the line then selectable? > No, my comments about having inserted text above the line were a red herring. As Tony pointed out you can draw any non-horizontal line, make it horizontal by putting H=0 and it immediately becomes unselectable with the mouse. You can recover it by saving as DDL but it is much quicker to select it using Shift Ctrl Drag. Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 12 13:47:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115500 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jan 100 13:46:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947647578:20:01172:20; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 03:26:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121130; 12 Jan 2000 3:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06710 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:55:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06704 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:55:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128Dvn-000ArU-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:54:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:44:03 GMT Message-Id: <115497@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: selecting lines X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When you draw the line it is the top of the >stack, when you edit the text does the frame containing that text move up the >stack above the line so you cannot select the line? Doubt it. >Does saving as DDL put it back in the order it was with the text frame, >created first, below the line? It shouldn't. Tony van der Hoff has got it right. This is a bug or at least an area where things don't work as they should. Its all to do with maths, zero width or height frames cause trouble. The line width you see on screen doesn't count in this context. You may find similar problems in other RISC OS applications with these cases. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 12 13:47:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115508 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jan 100 13:47:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947671880:20:15132:31; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:11:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103978; 12 Jan 2000 10:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07696 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:42:59 GMT Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07689 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:42:57 GMT Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.194.138]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA472 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:42:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:41:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Subject: Strange effects To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg The Netherlands Schaijk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, In a full color document we give a selection of text a certain color. When we separate the colors only the black plate is normal; cyan, yellow and magenta plates give the colored text in a bigger font and put the text to a different place. Very, very strange. Only when we make the complete text black the text remains the same size in the same place. A similar problem: we make the first character of a sentence a dingbat. In color separations the black film is normal and on the other plates another part of the text which is colored also appears as dingbats. Only when we make the complete text black the dingbats fonts disappears on the place where it indeed should not be. Copying the complete frame to an other document solves the problem. But what can this be? (for who is interested: I can attach the page without the full color illustrations, font used is Stone) Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 12 13:47:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115512 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jan 100 13:47:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947683781:20:29337:29; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:29:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102148; 12 Jan 2000 13:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08497 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:13:12 GMT Received: from mghosting.co.uk (limnah.lightrealm.com [216.122.100.164]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08492 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:13:09 GMT Received: from mld_server (microlas.demon.co.uk [158.152.237.88]) by mghosting.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23249 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:12:33 GMT Received: from 97.4.0.33 by mld_server ([97.4.0.87] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:08:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Strange effects Message-ID: <497f3a23a4andy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.2 - Registered to: Micro Laser Designs Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk wrote: > Hello, > In a full color document we give a selection of text a certain > color. When we separate the colors only the black plate is normal; > cyan, yellow and magenta plates give the colored text in a > bigger font and put the text to a different place. Very, very > strange. Only when we make the complete text black the > text remains the same size in the same place. > A similar problem: we make the first character of a sentence > a dingbat. In color separations the black film is normal and on > the other plates another part of the text which is colored > also appears as dingbats. > Only when we make the complete text black the dingbats fonts > disappears on the place where it indeed should not be. > Copying the complete frame to an other document solves the > problem. But what can this be? ISTR this happening in an old version of the colour supplement. Perhaps you need to upgrade?? Cheers Andrew -- _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * FINISHING FULL COLOUR, SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 12 16:42:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115537 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jan 100 16:42:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947692151:10:19507:199; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:49:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013708; 12 Jan 2000 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09021 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:51:22 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09016 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:51:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128P6h-000OQu-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:50:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:43:23 GMT Message-Id: <115530@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange effects X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In a full color document we give a selection of text a certain >color. When we separate the colors only the black plate is normal; >cyan, yellow and magenta plates give the colored text in a >bigger font and put the text to a different place. Very, very >strange. I've not heard of that. The first thought which springs to mind is which version of the program you are using? 2.56 is the current one (see the web site). >(for who is interested: I can attach the page without >the full color illustrations, font used is Stone) Does the font matter? If the latest version doesn't help, I'd be interested to get an example by private email. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 12 18:13:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115540 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jan 100 18:13:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947698748:20:03939:66; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:39:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001626; 12 Jan 2000 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09549 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:18:57 GMT Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09544 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:18:55 GMT Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.193.90]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA2992 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:18:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:17:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Subject: Re: Strange effects To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <497f3a23a4andy@mld.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg The Netherlands Schaijk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 12 Jan, Andrew J Bissex wrote: > In article , > Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk wrote: > > Hello, > > > In a full color document we give a selection of text a certain > > color. When we separate the colors only the black plate is normal; > > cyan, yellow and magenta plates give the colored text in a > > bigger font and put the text to a different place. Very, very > > strange. Only when we make the complete text black the > > text remains the same size in the same place. > > ISTR this happening in an old version of the colour supplement. Perhaps > you need to upgrade?? No, we use the latest versions of the program and supplements. David Pilling got the example document by private e-mail. Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 12 18:48:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115550 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jan 100 18:48:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947702365:20:14766:20; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:39:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014393; 12 Jan 2000 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09658 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:11:02 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09653 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:11:00 GMT Received: from modem-118.blue-spotted-stingray.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.238.118] helo=riscpc) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #0) id 128SDv-0004Hx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:10:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: Ovation mail list Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Newframe applet Message-ID: <497f55b51crichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent NewFrame applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. The seat of the problem seems to be the NewFrame script in the Library directory. Has anyone else had this problem? Any help much appreciated. Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 12 20:37:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115552 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jan 100 20:37:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947704313:10:23642:194; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:11:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119361; 12 Jan 2000 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09850 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:51:44 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09845 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:51:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128SrI-000Ooc-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:51:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:25:59 GMT Message-Id: <115542@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange effects X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >No, we use the latest versions of the program and supplements. >David Pilling got the example document by private e-mail. Yes its a bug, and it probably is in every version of the program. Its hard to give some rules for how to avoid it... What I believe is happening is that the program only sets up the font at the start of a line of text if it believes it has to, this makes things faster. Normally it will paint lines of text in the order they are typed in, so the font at the end of one line is the same as at the start of the next. Now comes the bug, when doing separations it can be that text isn't painted, it is replaced with moves, and in those moves fonts are not set up. If your text does not have to be invisible for the separation i.e. it knocks out or has there is a fill colour for the frame there won't be a problem. Equally if all text is the same colour there won't be. In this example there are lines of text with bits of text in different colours, and the frame it is in has a transparent background. I will fix this right away. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 12 22:27:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115562 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jan 100 22:27:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947715984:20:20740:19; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:26:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119683; 12 Jan 2000 22:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10389 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:07:45 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10383 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:07:42 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip42 [129.69.189.42]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id XAA13004 for Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:40:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <497f68ff79sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <497f55b51crichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> References: <497f55b51crichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <497f55b51crichard@graphitedesign.co.uk>, Richard Cassidy wrote: > I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent NewFrame > applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. The seat of the > problem seems to be the NewFrame script in the Library directory. > Has anyone else had this problem? Yes, I can second that. I've turned it off since then. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 3 kinds of people. Those who can count and those who can't. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 01:48:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115566 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jan 100 01:48:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947720789:10:29797:23; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:46:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119100; 12 Jan 2000 23:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10619 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:17:02 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10613 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:17:00 GMT Received: from modem-106.zoloft.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.106] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #0) id 128X00-00057U-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:16:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:46:16 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: selecting lines Message-ID: <3c106f7f49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > On Tue 11 Jan, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > > > One thought occurs about this - When you draw the line it is the top of the > > stack, when you edit the text does the frame containing that text move up > > the stack above the line so you cannot select the line? Does saving as DDL > > put it back in the order it was with the text frame, created first, below > > the line? If you use the mouse to select the text frame (about all you can > > select at that point) and put it to the back, deselect by clicking outside > > the frame is the line then selectable? > > > No, my comments about having inserted text above the line were a red herring. > As Tony pointed out you can draw any non-horizontal line, make it horizontal > by putting H=0 and it immediately becomes unselectable with the mouse. You > can recover it by saving as DDL but it is much quicker to select it using > Shift Ctrl Drag. > > Alf Chamings Just thinking about this. A horizontal line with thickness, say 1 mm, presumably has a height of 1mm. Height of 0 will make the end points have the same Y coordinate, but does it also imply thickness 0? "Thin" lines are notoriously difficult to select. Is height zero even thinner? -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 13:09:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115575 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jan 100 13:09:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947734220:10:27465:20; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:30:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025959; 13 Jan 2000 3:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11453 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:14:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11447 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:14:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128ahM-000Dfs-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:13:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:49:40 GMT Message-Id: <115567@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: selecting lines X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just thinking about this. A horizontal line with thickness, say 1 mm, >presumably has a height of 1mm. No it doesn't, it doesn't work that way. At the level these problems arise all lines have zero width, their thickness only appears at a late stage in drawing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 13:09:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115577 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jan 100 13:09:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947735022:10:16729:19; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:43:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016699; 13 Jan 2000 3:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11463 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:14:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11457 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:14:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128ahR-000Dfs-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:13:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:03:42 GMT Message-Id: <115573@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newframe applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent NewFrame > applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. The seat of the > problem seems to be the NewFrame script in the Library directory. Exactly what is the problem? Error message? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 13:09:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115583 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jan 100 13:09:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947763745:20:08807:21; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:42:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008198; 13 Jan 2000 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12966 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:25:41 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA12961 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:25:37 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.243.14]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:54:46 +1030 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:54:14 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: Newframe applet To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <497f55b51crichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 13 Jan, Richard Cassidy wrote: > Hi, > > I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent NewFrame > applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. The seat of the problem > seems to be the NewFrame script in the Library directory. Has anyone else > had this problem? > > Any help much appreciated. > It works as well as expected on my system with OP v2.56 Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 14:26:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115599 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jan 100 14:26:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947770071:10:16355:150; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:27:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107273; 13 Jan 2000 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13398 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:50:59 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13392 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:50:57 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128jhV-0007TU-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:50:05 +0000 Message-ID: <0OlkLEAoncf4EwHU@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:49:44 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: selecting lines References: <115497@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <115497@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <115497@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > > >Tony van der Hoff has got it right. This is a bug or at least an area >where things don't work as they should. Its all to do with maths, >zero width or height frames cause trouble. The line width you >see on screen doesn't count in this context. You may find similar >problems in other RISC OS applications with these cases. > A useful hint here is that if you want to make a non horizontal/vertical line horizontal/vertical, use the tool provided in the path edit mode, which *does* succeed without any strange artefacts. In fact, if you want to do anything with lines, use path edit, it spares you from nasty surprises later. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 17:39:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115602 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jan 100 17:39:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947782545:10:27450:91; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:55:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107785; 13 Jan 2000 16:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14363 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:16:11 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14354 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:16:08 GMT Received: from modem-49.clown-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.249.49] helo=riscpc) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 128mu7-0007tu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:15:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:15:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <497fcf175arichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <115573@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <115573@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <115573@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > > I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent NewFrame > > applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. The seat of the > > problem seems to be the NewFrame script in the Library directory. > Exactly what is the problem? Error message? Type 5 on loading. ROS4.02 with latest patch. The really wierd thing is OP was working fine, then after the Xmas break it suddenly started crashing on loading which I tracked down to the Newframe applet. Then after a bit more fiddling it started working (yesterday) and now I have OP2.56 loaded and working on my iconbar with all applets, however I just tried to load it again and I'm back to the same problem?!? I can't really blame anything in particular (ie ROS4, OP2.56 or Newframe etc) as I have no idea whats causing this but it is a trifle irritating! Any further help most welcome :) Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 19:25:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115617 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jan 100 19:25:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947790883:20:10017:21; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:14:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100952; 13 Jan 2000 19:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15046 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:58:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15040 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:58:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128pQq-0009SM-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:57:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:50:23 GMT Message-Id: <115603@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newframe applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent NewFrame > > applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. I must say it is an excellent applet, the short comings are due to pushing the limits of what is currently provided in OPro. The cause of the above problem is a bug in the applet [1] Replace writeicon(newf_window,1,string_menu(newf_menu,0)); with menudefstring(newf_menu,0,4,s); writeicon(newf_window,1,s); in the main() function at the end of the Library.NewFrame script The error is that the first version reads a string from a real menu on screen, and at this stage in procedings no menu has been created. The replacement reads the string from the menu definition. [1] yes it'd be better if OPro trapped such bugs cleanly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 21:27:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115620 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jan 100 21:27:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947797814:10:28485:42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:10:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104034; 13 Jan 2000 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15368 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:50:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15362 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:50:54 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.1) [193.149.73.1] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 128rBx-0000Pp-00; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:50:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: Ovation mail list Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:08:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <497f711bdcdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <497f55b51crichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> References: <497f55b51crichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497f55b51crichard@graphitedesign.co.uk>, Richard Cassidy wrote: > Hi, > I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent NewFrame > applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. The seat of the problem > seems to be the NewFrame script in the Library directory. Has anyone else > had this problem? > Any help much appreciated. > Richard It works OK here (as he loads OP just to make a final check....). What sort of errors are you getting? I seem to remember that it can be sensitive to lack of memory and OP can be sensitive to very complex frames (this is the reason for the warning about saving your work first!). David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 22:18:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115626 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jan 100 22:18:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947800007:20:29527:42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:46:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028700; 13 Jan 2000 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15441 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:14:52 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15435 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:14:50 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.1) [193.149.73.1] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 128rZ7-0001HU-00; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:13:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:08:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <497fe9f30cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <115603@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <115603@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <115603@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > > > I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent NewFrame > > > applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. > I must say it is an excellent applet, the short comings are due > to pushing the limits of what is currently provided in OPro. > The cause of the above problem is a bug in the applet [1] > Replace > writeicon(newf_window,1,string_menu(newf_menu,0)); > with > menudefstring(newf_menu,0,4,s); > writeicon(newf_window,1,s); > in the main() function at the end of the Library.NewFrame script > The error is that the first version reads a string from a real menu > on screen, and at this stage in procedings no menu has been created. > The replacement reads the string from the menu definition. > [1] yes it'd be better if OPro trapped such bugs cleanly. > David Pilling Many thanks David, glad you like the applet - I only wrote is to test the ddl command and as a bit of a personal challenge! I think its time to make a quick note in my manual that string_menu only works for open menus (this isn't clear from the manual). I would never have found this bug....and debugging applets is never _that_ easy. I'll issue a new copy to the resources site along with the new IndexPro version which is now complete (version 1.05). Has anybody got any ideas for a new applets ? Regards David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 01:38:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115633 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 01:38:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947803626:10:21209:22; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:47:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126161; 13 Jan 2000 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15704 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:18:37 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15698 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:18:34 GMT Received: from modem-46.singapore-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.220.46] helo=riscpc) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 128sYo-00083u-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:17:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:17:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <497ff04537richard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <115603@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <115603@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <115603@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [Snip fix for Newframe] > The error is that the first version reads a string from a real menu > on screen, and at this stage in procedings no menu has been created. > The replacement reads the string from the menu definition. Perfect, many thanks! The natural order is restored. Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 01:38:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115637 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 01:38:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947809472:10:03523:19; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:24:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003592; 14 Jan 2000 0:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15977 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:55:55 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15972 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:55:53 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip48 [129.69.189.48]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id AAA06114 for In-Reply-To: <497fcf175arichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> References: <115573@pilling.demon.co.uk> <497fcf175arichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497fcf175arichard@graphitedesign.co.uk>, Richard Cassidy wrote: > In article <115573@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent > > > NewFrame applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. The > > > seat of the problem seems to be the NewFrame script in the > > > Library directory. > > Exactly what is the problem? Error message? > Type 5 on loading. ROS4.02 with latest patch. Yes, exactly as here. Even the symptoms are the same: Somtimes it works, but most if the time OPro dies with a type 5 immediately after loading if NewFrame is enabled. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 01:38:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115638 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 01:38:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947810100:10:16577:19; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:35:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110176; 14 Jan 2000 0:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16029 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:06:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16024 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:06:09 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128uEq-000DUG-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:05:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:58:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Newframe applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <497fe9f30cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 13 Jan, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article <115603@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent NewFrame > > > > applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. > > > > I must say it is an excellent applet, the short comings are due > > to pushing the limits of what is currently provided in OPro. > > > The cause of the above problem is a bug in the applet [1] > > > Replace > > > writeicon(newf_window,1,string_menu(newf_menu,0)); > > > with > > > menudefstring(newf_menu,0,4,s); > > writeicon(newf_window,1,s); > > > in the main() function at the end of the Library.NewFrame script > > > The error is that the first version reads a string from a real menu > > on screen, and at this stage in procedings no menu has been created. > > The replacement reads the string from the menu definition. > > > > [1] yes it'd be better if OPro trapped such bugs cleanly. > > > > > David Pilling > > Many thanks David, glad you like the applet - I only wrote is to test the > ddl command and as a bit of a personal challenge! > > I think its time to make a quick note in my manual that string_menu only > works for open menus (this isn't clear from the manual). I would never > have found this bug....and debugging applets is never _that_ easy. > > I'll issue a new copy to the resources site along with the new IndexPro > version which is now complete (version 1.05). > > Has anybody got any ideas for a new applets ? The ability to type text along a curving path. A trivial task. ;) -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 03:23:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115646 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 03:22:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947815118:10:00536:18; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:58:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113738; 14 Jan 2000 1:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16523 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:41:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16517 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:41:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128vja-0006sN-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:41:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:25:58 GMT Message-Id: <115630@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newframe applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro newframe would be better if I provided an event for loading a file into a window - i.e. passed it the filename. >Has anybody got any ideas for a new applets ? I have an idea, although it'd not be much of a challenge to you. When you're proof reading it would be handy to have an applet that when you clicked on a button read your position (chapter/page/para/line/word) and put it in a window. Another button to type this into text. And finally the icons should be writeable, with another button 'Go' to find your way to a point after you've entered it. Maybe I should just extend F5 - goto. Perhaps an option to export the bookmarks in a document in this format. Now what would be a challenge would be an graphical imposition format designer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 14:29:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115647 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 14:29:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947840729:20:27657:54; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:05:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027664; 14 Jan 2000 9:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17276 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:50:22 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17270 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:50:20 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16065 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:49:22 GMT Message-ID: <387EE3CD.AA17E89E@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:52:29 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newframe applet References: <115603@pilling.demon.co.uk> <497fe9f30cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mr Breakwell wrote: > > In article <115603@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > I have been happily using David Breakwells' rather excellent NewFrame > > > > applet but it appears to not work with OP v2.56. > > > I must say it is an excellent applet, the short comings are due > > to pushing the limits of what is currently provided in OPro. > > > The cause of the above problem is a bug in the applet [1] > > > Replace > > > writeicon(newf_window,1,string_menu(newf_menu,0)); > > > with > > > menudefstring(newf_menu,0,4,s); > > writeicon(newf_window,1,s); > > > in the main() function at the end of the Library.NewFrame script > > > The error is that the first version reads a string from a real menu > > on screen, and at this stage in procedings no menu has been created. > > The replacement reads the string from the menu definition. > > > [1] yes it'd be better if OPro trapped such bugs cleanly. > > > David Pilling > > Many thanks David, glad you like the applet - I only wrote is to test the > ddl command and as a bit of a personal challenge! > > I think its time to make a quick note in my manual that string_menu only > works for open menus (this isn't clear from the manual). I would never > have found this bug....and debugging applets is never _that_ easy. > > I'll issue a new copy to the resources site along with the new IndexPro > version which is now complete (version 1.05). > > Has anybody got any ideas for a new applets ? Yes:- (1) a date that is active untill the file name of the document is changeed (saved as) and then becomes fixed. (2) an applet that allows maths functions to be inserted into a table mate ( or equilivent) window in an OP document. I frequently find my self using a caculator at the same time as Op as I cannot put log functions etc into OP tables. > > Regards > > David Breakwell > > -- > --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. > |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| > | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' > | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 14:29:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115648 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 14:29:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947843757:20:13029:27; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:55:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012817; 14 Jan 2000 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17429 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:26:59 GMT Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17423 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:26:57 GMT Received: from [213.1.136.189] (helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 1292zQ-0005KG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:25:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:24:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <49802d5063darprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <115630@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <115630@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <115630@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Now what would be a challenge would be an graphical imposition format > designer. Oh yes please. About a year ago I enquired about just this thing for a Mac, not that I have a Mac, but I was just curious as to whether there was a version for the RiscPC and the price for such software. Obviously there was no version for the RiscPC but the cost was a staggering 1500ukp for the software alone. I only wish I was as clever as the Pillings and Breakwells of this world :) Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 18:39:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115677 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 18:39:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947867873:20:28762:43; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:37:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119574; 14 Jan 2000 16:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19370 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:15:13 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19364 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:15:11 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-130-136.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.130.136]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA19696 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:14:02 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:52:02 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <64514b8049%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49802d5063darprint@btinternet.com> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49802d5063darprint@btinternet.com> Roger Mayne wrote: > In article <115630@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > Now what would be a challenge would be an graphical imposition format > > designer. > > Oh yes please. Beat me to it. Oh yes please, me too. Look at Photodesk for some ideas to start with. Also along these lines, I would like a macro/buttons/something that will calculate and in insert the right values into the print dialogue, based on the existing paper size and scale, to align the print out... Horizontal : Against left paper edge / print area Against right paper edge / print area Vertical : Against left paper edge / print area Against right paper edge / print area Centred between edges / areas ....and then, even better, keep these values active so that if I change the paper size it is till left aligned, centred, etc. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 18:40:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115680 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 18:40:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947872163:10:19923:791; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:49:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025209; 14 Jan 2000 16:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19360 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:15:06 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19354 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:15:04 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-130-136.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.130.136]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA19693 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:13:59 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:35:13 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Some bugs, perhaps? Message-ID: <6c7498049%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have been using OP2.56 on a Risc PC and an A7000+ and have experienced the following non-fatal niggles, with workarounds of a sort.... <> Take a rectangular frame full of text, convert it to a polygon, select the line edit tool, convert a side of the frame to a curve, move a control point. Either after converting to a curve, or after moving the first control point, OP 'loses it' and sends the text content off at a diagonal, wildly outside the frame bound. Moving the second control point regains control of the text. <> When putting many small frames overlapping a larger frame full of text, sometimes OP decides to miss a line when flowing the text around. The effect is tha same as if a double new-para has been inserted, but it can't be editied out - the blank line is like a no-go zone for the text. This always happens right next to a higher frame, and nudging the frame by fractions of a millimeter solves, but that's hit and miss. It happens in narrower frames, and when two higher frames are themsleves overlapping and both repelling text. These niggles have persisted through many versions of OP (since, I think, 2.46?) and may be causing other bigger errors without us realising it. So, more clues. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 21:05:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115694 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 21:05:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947877946:20:05807:19; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:25:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005772; 14 Jan 2000 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20132 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:51:25 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20126 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:51:23 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.51) [193.149.83.51] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129Bnf-0007F7-00; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:50:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:01:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Problem after upgrade Message-ID: <497feed2c8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Not really an OvPro issue, but I hope someone may still be able or willing to assist. I have saved my pennies, and just treated myself to an RiscOS4 and StrongArm upgrade to my RiscPC700. Lovely. I have an Epson Stylus Photo 700 printer and the PhotoReal driver from Spacetech. But for my normal printing, the 1440 DPI is far too slow, so I use another Epson PDF file for lower resolution printing. However, I seem to have developed a small printing problem with the new !Printers: V1.62 (14-Jun-99). Whenever I print, a capital-"F" is printed in the very top-left of every page. No problem printing when the PhotoReal driver is used, however. Also, I went back to the old Apps folder and fired off the old !Printers (and was mildly surprised it still worked under ROS4 :-) Again that worked Okay. I'm reluctant to use this as a permanent bypass, as I thought that the new O/S required the use of new !Printers? I believe the new version is somewhat improved anyway. I've tried several of the Epson PDF files in the Printers folder, all with the same result. I've even gone to a pre-upgrade backup folder and tried a couple of PDF files from there as well. But these now show the same problem when under the new V1.62 application. Anyone any ideas or suggestions? Many thanks. *** Ken *** -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk in W. Yorkshire | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | / http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ken.mcnaught/ ___________________________/ WEB: Read about my great grand father: "The (other) man in the Iron Mask!", plus link to Knottingley Concert Brass. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 22:06:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115702 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 22:06:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947885164:20:11667:25; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:26:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127793; 14 Jan 2000 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20513 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:10:51 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20507 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:10:49 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user153.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.85]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA24286 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:09:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:06:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <49806d9beemarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114926@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114926@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have a document in OPro that needs to be e-mailed to PC and Mac people for approval. It has boxes in which are separate 'stories'. If I export as text it doesn't pick up the boxed stories and anyway loses the formatting. DDL isn't, apparently, recognised by their systems. Ideally I need to produce an RTF file I suppose - if it will keep the boxes in place together with their text. Anyone know if it can be done and how? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 23:24:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115704 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 23:24:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947888237:10:19995:19; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:17:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019968; 14 Jan 2000 22:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20606 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:49:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20600 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:49:02 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 129EZY-000I4K-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:47:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:35:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Problem after upgrade To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <497feed2c8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 13 Jan, Ken wrote: > Not really an OvPro issue, but I hope someone may still be able or willing > to assist. I have saved my pennies, and just treated myself to an RiscOS4 > and StrongArm upgrade to my RiscPC700. Lovely. > > I have an Epson Stylus Photo 700 printer and the PhotoReal driver from > Spacetech. But for my normal printing, the 1440 DPI is far too slow, so > I use another Epson PDF file for lower resolution printing. > > However, I seem to have developed a small printing problem with the new > !Printers: V1.62 (14-Jun-99). Whenever I print, a capital-"F" is printed > in the very top-left of every page. No problem printing when the > PhotoReal driver is used, however. Also, I went back to the old Apps > folder and fired off the old !Printers (and was mildly surprised it still > worked under ROS4 :-) Again that worked Okay. I'm reluctant to use this > as a permanent bypass, as I thought that the new O/S required the use of > new !Printers? I believe the new version is somewhat improved anyway. > > I've tried several of the Epson PDF files in the Printers folder, all with > the same result. I've even gone to a pre-upgrade backup folder and tried > a couple of PDF files from there as well. But these now show the same > problem when under the new V1.62 application. > > Anyone any ideas or suggestions? Been there, done that. You have four options: 1. Use the StyCol400 driver. This doesn't print the 'F', but you lose the 1440x720 print mode. 2. Using an older version of !PrintEdit (eg from RO 3.7), edit either the StyCol600 or StyCol800 (the definitions are actually identical) to remove the command for 'Set lines' in every graphics and text mode. This line, containing 27,"C" is the cause of the 'F'. Don't use the !PrintEdit from RO4, as this can cause problems. 3. Add the 1440x720 mode definition command string from the 600/800 driver to the 400 driver, again using the older version of !PrintEdit, ensuring the 'Set lines' command is deleted. Optionally rename printer definition to Stylus700, to distinguish it from the Photo700 driver on the icon bar. 4. E-mail me and ask for a ready-made copy... Regards, -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 14 23:24:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115705 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jan 100 23:24:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947889244:10:28745:20; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:34:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119913; 14 Jan 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20690 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:15:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20684 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:15:30 GMT Received: from (62.188.131.53) [62.188.131.53] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129Ez9-0007fT-00; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:14:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:53:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <49805676bbdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <115630@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <115630@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <115630@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > newframe would be better if I provided an event for loading a file > into a window - i.e. passed it the filename. I always thought this - it also seemed to apply to one idea I had for IdxPro - that you could drop a list of words you wanted indexed. I can see this would be useful in other circumstances as well. > >Has anybody got any ideas for a new applets ? > I have an idea, although it'd not be much of a challenge to you. When > you're proof reading it would be handy to have an applet that when you > clicked on a button read your position (chapter/page/para/line/word) and > put it in a window. Another button to type this into text. And finally > the icons should be writeable, with another button 'Go' to find your way > to a point after you've entered it. Sounds good...I may well give this a go. > Maybe I should just extend F5 - goto. > Perhaps an option to export the bookmarks in a document in this format. Yes I also liked the idea of using tags to allow the auto-execution of macros when a document is opened. I can remember what people wanted to do with it though :-( > Now what would be a challenge would be an graphical imposition format > designer. Umm... not be a printing expert - what would people need here? -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 15 02:15:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115706 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jan 100 02:14:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947901171:10:08826:21; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 01:52:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008044; 15 Jan 2000 1:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21550 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 01:09:21 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA21544 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 01:09:17 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.242.225]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:38:06 +1030 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:37:40 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Loading OvPro by Obey file To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Re: Loading OvPro by Obey or Desktop file ---------------------------------- Short story. For several years I have loaded David Pilling's scanning software, Printers and two OvPro files (Therefore also OvPro) using a desktop script file. I have to copy, enlarge, and print several crosswords from the newspaper each day for a disabled spouse. Problem At one version change, maybe 2.52 but perhaps 2.46, it began to load two copies of OvPro. One for each file. Tedious. I have tried an Obey file instead. No difference. Changed wording in script has not helped, but I am guessing as I am not a programmer. I used to use Filer_run or nothing with great success. My current, simple file reads: SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordV SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordH Run Resources:$.Apps.!Printers Run IDEFS::IDEDisc4.$.Scanner.!ImgMaster I have tried various variations. Is it just a matter of a change in the run file of OvPro? If so, what? If not, what? Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 15 02:15:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115707 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jan 100 02:15:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947892497:20:14535:40; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:28:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106557; 14 Jan 2000 23:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20900 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:58:38 GMT Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [165.87.194.252]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20893 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:58:35 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.178.81]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000011422572525204c9e8ue>; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:57:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:41:44 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49806d9beemarteng@intonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA20895 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB20900 On Fri 14 Jan, Marten Gallagher wrote: > I have a document in OPro that needs to be e-mailed to PC and Mac > people for approval. > > It has boxes in which are separate 'stories'. > > If I export as text it doesn't pick up the boxed stories and anyway > loses the formatting. > > DDL isn't, apparently, recognised by their systems. > > Ideally I need to produce an RTF file I suppose - if it will keep the > boxes in place together with their text. > > Anyone know if it can be done and how? Yes, HTML it, give it the approriate file extension and set the filetype to DOS for your Pluto to dot it. If you haven't got Benji Leven's HTMLPro or Goodwins HTML=B3, send the file to someone/me :-) for a quick translation. Otra opcion. Print it via !Taborca. JW --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 15 13:07:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115718 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jan 100 13:07:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947908135:20:09002:29; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:48:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008865; 15 Jan 2000 3:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21911 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:34:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21901 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:34:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 129JxS-000IZY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:32:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 02:22:21 GMT Message-Id: <115711@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My current, simple file reads: SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordV SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordH Run Resources:$.Apps.!Printers Run IDEFS::IDEDisc4.$.Scanner.!ImgMaster Stick a Filer_Run in front of the first two lines, which I take it are the OPro files you want to run. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 15 13:08:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115719 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jan 100 13:07:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947909217:20:27628:18; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:06:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109123; 15 Jan 2000 4:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21916 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:34:14 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21906 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:34:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 129JxU-000IZY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:33:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 02:24:55 GMT Message-Id: <115713@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newframe applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I also liked the idea of using tags to allow the auto-execution of macros >when a document is opened. A similar idea was to allow macros to be written into a document, and then when it was opened they would be expanded once. So as was suggested earlier today, you could have something that expanded to the current date. >> Now what would be a challenge would be an graphical imposition format >> designer. >Umm... not be a printing expert - what would people need here? Its very tricky because imposition has so many oddities like the 4 page booklets were you print some pages twice on the last sheet if there are 2 or less pages leftover. I can't see all this being done graphically, I'm sure a list of rules would come into it - at which point all the non-programmers would run away. The other point perhaps is that this is one of those things which is a minority interest - or at least the majority could be satisfied by a few more hand written scripts. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 15 13:08:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115720 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jan 100 13:07:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947931184:10:27779:17; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:13:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109783; 15 Jan 2000 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22848 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:49:06 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22842 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:49:04 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 129PoG-000Cwv-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:47:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:44:02 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people References: <114926@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49806d9beemarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49806d9beemarteng@intonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49806d9beemarteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher writes >I have a document in OPro that needs to be e-mailed to PC and Mac people >for approval. > >It has boxes in which are separate 'stories'. > >If I export as text it doesn't pick up the boxed stories and anyway loses >the formatting. > >DDL isn't, apparently, recognised by their systems. > >Ideally I need to produce an RTF file I suppose - if it will keep the boxes >in place together with their text. > >Anyone know if it can be done and how? > Well, I produce all my documentation in OPro, which I finally print to Postscript for distribution to clients. They then just use the appropriate PostScript interpreter to read/print the documents on whatever platform they use. It works fine, my clients are happy, and it has the additional benefit (for me) of my keeping control of my 'intellectual copyright'. PostScript interpreters are available for free on the 'net. RTF is pants, although for fairly straightforward documents it can be persuaded to work well enough. AFAIK it is no longer being developed by MS. Anyway, there is no RTF support from OPro. A number of false starts (including my own) have been made to develop an DDL to RTF translator, but ultimately I guess everyone has decided it's not worth the effort. Other options include HTML, but this involves you buying Levens' HTMLPro. Because of HTML limitations, it cannot accurately reflect the original document. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 15 13:08:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115721 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jan 100 13:08:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947921620:20:03226:19; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:33:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003283; 15 Jan 2000 7:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22454 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:18:19 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22448 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:18:16 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-1-2-173.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.173]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 56B4215759 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:16:57 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:18:19 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Problem after upgrade To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <497feed2c8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 13 Jan, Ken wrote: > > However, I seem to have developed a small printing problem with the new > !Printers: V1.62 (14-Jun-99). Whenever I print, a capital-"F" is printed > in the very top-left of every page. > > Anyone any ideas or suggestions? On the icon bar: on the printer icon, 'Save' box You may then need to shut down & restart, I can't remember, sorry. Should then be ok (ie, was for me :-). Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 15 13:08:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115722 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jan 100 13:08:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947928323:20:19838:18; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:25:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019586; 15 Jan 2000 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22714 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:50:03 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22698 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:49:59 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-1-1-170.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.8.170]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D443B1575B for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:48:36 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:48:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Problem after upgrade To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <497feed2c8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 13 Jan, Ken wrote: > I have an Epson Stylus Photo 700 printer and the PhotoReal driver from > Spacetech. But for my normal printing, the 1440 DPI is far too slow, so > I use another Epson PDF file for lower resolution printing. > > However, I seem to have developed a small printing problem with the new > !Printers: V1.62 (14-Jun-99). Whenever I print, a capital-"F" is printed > in the very top-left of every page. over the printer icon on the iconbar on 'Save' box. You may need to restart the machine to fire the change up, I'm not sure. Should be OK. 'Why?' is another matter :-) Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 15 13:08:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115723 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jan 100 13:08:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947937408:20:12031:45; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:56:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011934; 15 Jan 2000 11:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23162 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:28:29 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23156 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:28:27 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26656 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 12:27:13 +0100 Message-Id: <200001151127.MAA26656@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 15 Jan 2000 11:23:13 GMT Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 X-Popauth-Info: 947934529 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >Re: Loading OvPro by Obey or Desktop file >---------------------------------- >Short story. >For several years I have loaded David Pilling's scanning software, Printers and two >OvPro files (Therefore also OvPro) using a desktop script file. I have to >copy, enlarge, and print several crosswords from the newspaper each day for a >disabled spouse. >Problem >At one version change, maybe 2.52 but perhaps 2.46, it began to load two >copies of OvPro. One for each file. Tedious. > >I have tried an Obey file instead. No difference. >Changed wording in script has not helped, but I am guessing as I am not a >programmer. I used to use Filer_run or nothing with great success. > >My current, simple file reads: > SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordV > SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordH > Run Resources:$.Apps.!Printers > Run IDEFS::IDEDisc4.$.Scanner.!ImgMaster >I have tried various variations. >Is it just a matter of a change in the run file of OvPro? >If so, what? >If not, what? > The first filer_run (has to be filer_run) starts OP, which starts and gives a few (or one) poll with the start-up banner. At that moment the second file is launched. Since the first OP has not finished loading yet, a second copy is invoked... Find ways to make sure OP has loaded completely before issuing the second file would be the answer. You might as well launch OP from the obey... Have fun Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 15 15:30:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115729 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jan 100 15:30:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947946977:10:05121:46; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:36:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102065; 15 Jan 2000 14:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23699 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:05:40 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23693 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:05:38 GMT Received: from modem-11.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.17.11] helo=beeston12) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 129ToV-0006No-00; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:04:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 12:11:25 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Tony and others, In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <49806d9beemarteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher > writes > >I have a document in OPro that needs to be e-mailed to PC and Mac people > >for approval. > >DDL isn't, apparently, recognised by their systems. I think you are correct in saying that. > >Ideally I need to produce an RTF file I suppose - if it will keep the boxes > >in place together with their text. > > > >Anyone know if it can be done and how? > > > > Well, I produce all my documentation in OPro, which I finally print to > Postscript for distribution to clients. > > RTF is pants, "is pants" ?? What does that mean? > Other options include HTML, but this involves you buying Levens' > HTMLPro. Because of HTML limitations, it cannot accurately reflect the > original document. > Not only will RTF be accepted by folk with Word97, I believe, but I am fairly sure they can send their files to YOu as RTF, -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 15 15:31:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115730 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jan 100 15:30:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947942747:20:10994:21; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:25:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103680; 15 Jan 2000 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23484 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:09:33 GMT Received: from jerusalem.magic.fr (jerusalem.magic.fr [195.154.101.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23478 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:09:31 GMT Received: from sbanaudo.magic.fr (ppp-35.net10.magic.fr [195.154.128.35]) by jerusalem.magic.fr (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA20736 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:08:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:13:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Banaudo Serge Subject: LBP660 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, Is it possible to operate a laser printer Canon LBP660 , under RiscOS 3.50 ? I think no , but maybe ... Thank you Serge -- ....sur l'eau des lacs, sur le flot sombre des mers, semant des gouttes de clarte douce au hasard de ses derives... Y.Mishima -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 17:54:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115748 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 17:53:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947951158:20:20027:18; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:45:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112105; 15 Jan 2000 15:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23872 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:21:37 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA23866 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:21:34 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.143) [62.188.150.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129Uzy-0000DV-00; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:20:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:13:42 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Acorn-aware printing firms. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My son James and three of his friends have taken over the production of the Cheltenham Town Football Club fanzine; the first issue was produced by him on OPro and sent to a printer as hard copy. The second was done by someone else in QuarkXpress. They are now thinking about starting the third issue and James is quite keen to get back to OPro - I wonder why :-) A previous posting gave us the name of an Acorn- and OPro-aware printing firm in Bath, but there must be others out there. Does anyone have a recommendation for firm or firms? TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 17:54:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115749 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 17:54:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947969344:10:18277:17; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:49:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017632; 15 Jan 2000 20:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24620 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:29:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24614 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:29:02 GMT Received: from (193.149.82.210) [193.149.82.210] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129ZnS-0000qD-00; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:27:44 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:39:19 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file Message-ID: <4980E3F63B%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <200001151127.MAA26656@widukind.bi.teuto.net> In-Reply-To: <200001151127.MAA26656@widukind.bi.teuto.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <200001151127.MAA26656@widukind.bi.teuto.net> Martin Vethake wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: > >Re: Loading OvPro by Obey or Desktop file > >---------------------------------- > >My current, simple file reads: > > SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordV > > SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordH > > Run Resources:$.Apps.!Printers > > Run IDEFS::IDEDisc4.$.Scanner.!ImgMaster > The first filer_run (has to be filer_run) starts OP, which starts and > gives a few (or one) poll with the start-up banner. At that moment the > second file is launched. Since the first OP has not finished loading > yet, a second copy is invoked... You could try moving the second doc' to the end. The delay caused by running printer/IM might just be enough... -- The hardest thing is to disguise your feelings when you put a lot of relatives on the train for home. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:50:54 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 129ZCb-0001NS-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:49:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:59:18 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Newframe applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49805676bbdavidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 14 Jan, Mr Breakwell wrote: [snip] > Do I remember correctly that there is a new version of IdxPro 1.05 released? If so, I have checked the OP resources site (not David P's) but cannot find it? regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Unit |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 17:54:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115754 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 17:54:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947970201:20:05432:23; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:03:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111172; 15 Jan 2000 21:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24610 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:29:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24604 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:28:57 GMT Received: from (193.149.82.210) [193.149.82.210] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129ZnO-0000qD-00; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:27:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:26:30 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: LBP660 Message-ID: <4980E2C9B9%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Banaudo Serge wrote: > Is it possible to operate a laser printer Canon LBP660, under RiscOS 3.50 ? Does it emulate anything like a HP4, etc? You could then use the equivalent driver. > I think no , but maybe ... It s/be possible, but you may need to edit a driver like I had to for my Brother HL630. There is a driver for the LPB8, you may be able to edit that to suit. -- Also, always avoid awkward and affected attempts at alliteration as an answer. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:31:09 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.212) [62.188.136.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129wIr-0003gm-00; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:29:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:30:22 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Newframe applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 16 Jan 2000 (14:46:09 +0000), davidb@argonet.co.uk wrote: > In article <4980fcd523robh@argonet.co.uk>, > Rob Hemmings wrote: > > In article , > Rosalind > > M. Share wrote: > > > On Fri 14 Jan, Mr Breakwell wrote: [snip] > > > > > > > Do I remember correctly that there is a new version of IdxPro 1.05 > > > released? If so, I have checked the OP resources site (not David > P's) > > > but cannot find it? > > > > regards, > > > > Ros > > > Me too! I was also looking for the new version of Newframe but that > does > > not seem to be there either. Have either of these been updated yet? > > I've just (today == Sunday) sent them to Chris at the OP resources > site. > It took a little time to update the manuals etc. > > Sorry for the delay > > David > > PS: Please don't forget that IdxPro is careware! > Hi. Sorry about the first message, could anybody please inform me about the address fo OP resources site. Thanks in advance. Cheers Bryan. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 17:55:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115759 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 17:55:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948080548:10:26179:17; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 03:42:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026136; 17 Jan 2000 3:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29424 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 02:51:49 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29418 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 02:51:43 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-56.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.122]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22586 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:49:17 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:50:44 +1200 Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <49819a47d5tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <115630@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <115630@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > Has anybody got any ideas for a new applets ? > Now what would be a challenge would be an graphical imposition > format designer. Go on then ;-) Something simpler - I'd love to have the printable area interpreted as a selectable rectangle that I could then move around to print out small bits from large pages (or parts of a page scaled up). I know I can do this now by typing in xy offsets. But that involves guesswork. The moveable frame would automatically return those values to the print dialogue. tim -- -- de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 17:55:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115760 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 17:55:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948091780:10:10462:22; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:49:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010303; 17 Jan 2000 6:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29930 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:34:29 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA29924 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:34:24 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.243.155]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:04:17 +1030 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:02:39 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4980E3F63B%mik.towse@xemik.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 16 Jan, Mik Towse wrote: > In article <200001151127.MAA26656@widukind.bi.teuto.net> > Martin Vethake wrote: > > In your earlier message you wrote: > > >Re: Loading OvPro by Obey or Desktop file > > >---------------------------------- > > >My current, simple file reads: > > > SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordV > > > SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordH > > > Run Resources:$.Apps.!Printers > > > Run IDEFS::IDEDisc4.$.Scanner.!ImgMaster > > The first filer_run (has to be filer_run) starts OP, which starts and > > gives a few (or one) poll with the start-up banner. At that moment the > > second file is launched. Since the first OP has not finished loading > > yet, a second copy is invoked... > You could try moving the second doc' to the end. The delay caused by running > printer/IM might just be enough... > Thanks Mik Sadly it is not enough. Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 17:56:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115761 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 17:55:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948092482:10:28090:17; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:01:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123755; 17 Jan 2000 7:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29902 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:33:23 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA29897 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:33:19 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.243.155]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:03:12 +1030 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:01:33 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <200001151127.MAA26656@widukind.bi.teuto.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 15 Jan, Martin Vethake wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: ...........................snipped > >My current, simple file reads: > > SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordV > > SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordH > > Run Resources:$.Apps.!Printers > > Run IDEFS::IDEDisc4.$.Scanner.!ImgMaster > >I have tried various variations. > >Is it just a matter of a change in the run file of OvPro? > >If so, what? > >If not, what? > > > The first filer_run (has to be filer_run) starts OP, which starts and > gives a few (or one) poll with the start-up banner. At that moment the > second file is launched. Since the first OP has not finished loading > yet, a second copy is invoked... > Find ways to make sure OP has loaded completely before issuing > the second file would be the answer. You might as well launch OP > from the obey... > > Have fun > Martin Vethake Thanks Martin I have tried many such combinations using that logic, but have not yet found one that works. Is there a "pause" command I can use? Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 17:58:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115771 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 17:58:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948120730:10:12270:18; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:52:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121776; 17 Jan 2000 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31898 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:21 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31889 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:17 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user165.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.97]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25306 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:58:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <4981d1e759marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <114926@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49806d9beemarteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Well, I produce all my documentation in OPro, which I finally print to > Postscript for distribution to clients. They then just use the > appropriate PostScript interpreter to read/print the documents on > whatever platform they use. > It works fine, my clients are happy, and it has the additional benefit > (for me) of my keeping control of my 'intellectual copyright'. > PostScript interpreters are available for free on the 'net. Yes, but if I'm thinking correctly, the client cannot make drafting amendements and send it back. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:08:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115773 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:08:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947980666:20:16714:17; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:57:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127794; 15 Jan 2000 23:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25198 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:24:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25192 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:24:14 GMT Received: from (62.188.137.224) [62.188.137.224] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129cWz-0005Hn-00; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:22:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:10:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <4980fcd523robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49805676bbdavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/0.49g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Rosalind M. Share wrote: > On Fri 14 Jan, Mr Breakwell wrote: [snip] > > > Do I remember correctly that there is a new version of IdxPro 1.05 > released? If so, I have checked the OP resources site (not David P's) > but cannot find it? > regards, > Ros Me too! I was also looking for the new version of Newframe but that does not seem to be there either. Have either of these been updated yet? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:08:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115777 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:08:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948036917:20:13336:17; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:35:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013252; 16 Jan 2000 15:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26880 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:19:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA26874 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:19:04 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.210) [62.188.150.210] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129rQt-0002Gs-00; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:17:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:46:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <4981527375davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4980fcd523robh@argonet.co.uk> References: <49805676bbdavidb@argonet.co.uk> <4980fcd523robh@argonet.co.u User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4980fcd523robh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > In article , Rosalind > M. Share wrote: > > On Fri 14 Jan, Mr Breakwell wrote: [snip] > > > > > Do I remember correctly that there is a new version of IdxPro 1.05 > > released? If so, I have checked the OP resources site (not David P's) > > but cannot find it? > > regards, > > Ros > Me too! I was also looking for the new version of Newframe but that does > not seem to be there either. Have either of these been updated yet? I've just (today == Sunday) sent them to Chris at the OP resources site. It took a little time to update the manuals etc. Sorry for the delay David PS: Please don't forget that IdxPro is careware! -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:08:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115778 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:08:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948037859:20:25312:17; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:50:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105535; 16 Jan 2000 15:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26858 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:13:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA26852 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:13:16 GMT Received: from (62.188.142.146) [62.188.142.146] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129rLH-000273-00; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:11:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:07:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <498138f8b8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Robin Phillips wrote: > > RTF is pants, > "is pants" ?? What does that mean? Current slang for "a load of b******s / c**p" and when you're talking about the Microsoft version it's probably rather accurate. > > Other options include HTML, but this involves you buying Levens' > > HTMLPro. Because of HTML limitations, it cannot accurately reflect the > > original document. > > > Not only will RTF be accepted by folk with Word97, I believe, but I am > fairly sure they can send their files to YOu as RTF, Now don't start comparing with a program that doesn't even understand it's own file formats properly, besides RTF will import just fine, although using EasyWriter would read the native Word files better (than Word). Harping back to the Word file import stuff here David... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:08:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115782 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:08:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948054421:20:15028:20; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:27:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124584; 16 Jan 2000 20:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27555 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:55:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27549 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:55:11 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 129vk4-000IWG-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:53:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:58:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Newframe applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4981527375davidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 16 Jan, Mr Breakwell wrote: [snip] > I've just (today == Sunday) sent them to Chris at the OP resources site. > It took a little time to update the manuals etc. > > Sorry for the delay > [snip] Thank you David. Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Unit |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:08:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115783 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:08:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948056658:20:24032:18; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:04:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023976; 16 Jan 2000 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27666 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:31:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27660 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:31:07 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.212) [62.188.136.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129wIp-0003gm-00; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:29:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:27:46 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Newframe applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 16 Jan 2000 (14:46:09 +0000), davidb@argonet.co.uk wrote: > In article <4980fcd523robh@argonet.co.uk>, > Rob Hemmings wrote: > > In article , > Rosalind > > M. Share wrote: > > > On Fri 14 Jan, Mr Breakwell wrote: [snip] > > > > > > > Do I remember correctly that there is a new version of IdxPro 1.05 > > > released? If so, I have checked the OP resources site (not David > P's) > > > but cannot find it? > > > > regards, > > > > Ros > > > Me too! I was also looking for the new version of Newframe but that > does > > not seem to be there either. Have either of these been updated yet? > > I've just (today == Sunday) sent them to Chris at the OP resources > site. > It took a little time to update the manuals etc. > > Sorry for the delay > > David > > PS: Please don't forget that IdxPro is careware! > Hi, Could anybody inform the address of -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:08:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115784 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:08:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948058199:20:17012:19; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:29:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126916; 16 Jan 2000 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27854 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:12:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27848 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:12:02 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.187) [194.69.106.187] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129wwP-00052R-00; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:10:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:05:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <4981752634davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mr B Kirk wrote: > Hi. Sorry about the first message, could anybody please inform me about > the address fo OP resources site. Thanks in advance. Cheers Bryan. www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro or follow the link from DP's site - www.pilling.demon.co.uk David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:08:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115785 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:08:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948063303:20:02218:21; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:55:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002280; 16 Jan 2000 22:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28290 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:24:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA28284 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:24:39 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.44) [193.149.71.44] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 129y4g-0007UU-00; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:23:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:10:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Problem after upgrade Message-ID: <4980ec47d4ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Many thanks to those that took the trouble to assist me. Results: First I tried setting the paper size "Height" to zero as a couple of you suggested. This did indeed stop the capital-"F" from being printed, but had a side effect of printing one-line-per-page in text mode printing (which I do a reasonable amount of from !ZAP and !Pluto). Andrew Hunt had warned me about this possibility (via direct e-mail). So then I tried editing the PDF file I've been using, to remove the "27,C" from each of the "Set Lines" entries, as was suggested by Stephen. I've not done any extensive testing yet, but, "So far so good" ..... :-) Many, many thanks again to you all. *** Ken *** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:08:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115787 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:08:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948091693:20:21921:17; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:48:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021845; 17 Jan 2000 6:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29873 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:29:41 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA29868 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:29:36 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.243.155]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:59:29 +1030 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:57:46 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <115711@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 15 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > My current, simple file reads: > SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordV > SCSI::SCSI5.$.Work.Xwords.xWordH > Run Resources:$.Apps.!Printers > Run IDEFS::IDEDisc4.$.Scanner.!ImgMaster > > > Stick a Filer_Run in front of the first two lines, which I take it are the > OPro files you want to run. > > > David Pilling > Thanks David That is what used to work previously, but now (I have just tried again) does not. Bother! Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:08:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115789 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:08:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948109423:20:11908:38; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:43:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011493; 17 Jan 2000 11:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30834 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:59:23 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30828 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:59:21 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12A9sS-0005YJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:59:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:59:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: New downloads Message-ID: <4981c18339C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Updated versions of the NewFrame and IdxPro applets are now available, thanks to David Breakwell. An additional much larger French dictionary has also been added, courtesy of John van Vredenburch. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:09:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115797 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:09:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948119115:20:22642:24; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:25:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105615; 17 Jan 2000 14:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31892 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:18 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31883 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:15 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user165.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.97]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25302 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:57:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <4981d1d48bmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49806d9beemarteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Yes, HTML it, give it the approriate file extension and set the filetype > to DOS for your Pluto to dot it. Yes, but that makes it difficult for them to make drafting amendaments and send them back to me. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:09:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115798 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:09:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948119341:20:26553:22; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:29:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026358; 17 Jan 2000 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31922 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:33 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31916 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:31 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user165.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.97]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25310 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:59:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <4981d1fcb6marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 15 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > Not only will RTF be accepted by folk with Word97, I believe, but I am > fairly sure they can send their files to YOu as RTF Yes, but how do you turn an OPro document into RTF? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:09:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115799 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:09:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948120003:20:09464:23; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:40:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100259; 17 Jan 2000 14:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31913 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:28 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31906 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:25 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user165.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.97]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25298 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:06:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:56:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <4981d1c182marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498138f8b8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <498138f8b8steve.pampling@ar User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAA31908 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB31913 > > > Other options include HTML, but this involves you buying Levens' > > > HTMLPro. Because of HTML limitations, it cannot accurately reflect > > > the original document. Yes,=A0but that makes it a bind for therecipients to make drafting amendm= ents and sen it back. > > Not only will RTF be accepted by folk with Word97, I believe, but I a= m > > fairly sure they can send their files to YOu as RTF, Yes, that is the obvious choice - but how do you get an Ovation file into an RTF file? Slainte --=20 Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:09:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115800 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:09:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948120655:20:19557:93; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:50:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119226; 17 Jan 2000 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32095 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:30:48 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32090 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:30:41 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA27766 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:30:32 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:30:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4981d1d48bmarteng@intonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 17 Jan, Marten Gallagher wrote: > > Yes, HTML it, give it the approriate file extension and set the filetype > > to DOS for your Pluto to dot it. > > Yes, but that makes it difficult for them to make drafting amendaments and > send them back to me. > Unless you are a Postscript expert it looks like the best bet will be to finalize the text first (what could be simpler than an ASCII file?) and deal with the layout separately. You could try HTML but it is hardly likely to be an accurate representation if the browsers are different and set up differently. Just a thought Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 18:45:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115821 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 18:45:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948133127:20:27500:28; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:18:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120928; 17 Jan 2000 18:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00397 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:29:08 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00391 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:29:06 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.50] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12AFx3-0007To-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:28:26 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:27:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:27:08 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4981d1e759marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Well, I produce all my documentation in OPro, which I finally > > print to Postscript for distribution to clients. They then just > > use the appropriate PostScript interpreter to read/print the > > documents on whatever platform they use. > > > It works fine, my clients are happy, and it has the additional benefit > > (for me) of my keeping control of my 'intellectual copyright'. > > PostScript interpreters are available for free on the 'net. Marten Gallagher wrote: > Yes, but if I'm thinking correctly, the client cannot make drafting > amendements and send it back. > Well, OvPro is a page layout program rather than a manuscript/ drafting program. A word processor is designed to do the latter and so has different facilities accordingly. After all, no-one in their right mind would use Quark Xpress on the PC to exchange manuscripts which needed to be redrafted. The RiscOs program for doing this is Easiwriter/Techwriter and it allows exchanges with clients with PCs just fine. If we want to send OvPro pages to a client for approval we would send them in postscript or (more usually, PDF). If we send them as PDF we deliberately set the security settings to *prevent* any changes to the document. The last thing we want is for a client to start mucking a round with either the text or the layout. We insist on comments being supplied separately. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 19:54:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115841 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 19:54:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948136820:10:09136:205; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:20:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011477; 17 Jan 2000 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00599 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:32:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA00593 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:32:05 GMT Received: from (ck60.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.6.225] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12AGwU-0000Pm-00; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:31:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:28:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file Message-ID: <4981eaab4djms@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <200001151127.MAA26656@widukind.bi.teuto.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Barrie McElroy wrote: > I have tried many such combinations using that logic, but have not yet found > one that works. > Is there a "pause" command I can use? I tried your method with a wait (part of extrabar) between filer_Runs still loads 2 copies of OP -- John Sandford Herts Uk. Argonet: mail: jms@argonet.co.uk Domain: www: http://sandford-1.org.uk ## mail: John@sandford-1.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 21:57:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115855 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 21:57:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948144088:10:03346:17; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:21:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003323; 17 Jan 2000 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01059 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:49:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01053 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:49:36 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12AJ5Y-00071W-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:49:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:16:54 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people References: <4981d1e759marteng@intonet.co.uk> <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol writes > >If we want to send OvPro pages to a client for approval we would >send them in postscript or (more usually, PDF). If we send them >as PDF we deliberately set the security settings to *prevent* any >changes to the document. The last thing we want is for a client >to start mucking a round with either the text or the >layout. We insist on comments being supplied separately. > Absolutely correct. The only professional way of doing things IMHO. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 17 22:25:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115861 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jan 100 22:25:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948146446:10:08922:18; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:00:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008879; 17 Jan 2000 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01218 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:44:56 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01212 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:44:53 GMT Received: from modem-119.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.1.119] helo=gwen) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12AJx3-0000ui-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:44:41 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Exporting file to PC people Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:45:16 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol > writes > > > >If we want to send OvPro pages to a client for approval we would > >send them in postscript or (more usually, PDF). If we send them > >as PDF we deliberately set the security settings to *prevent* any > >changes to the document. The last thing we want is for a client > >to start mucking a round with either the text or the > >layout. We insist on comments being supplied separately. > > > Absolutely correct. The only professional way of doing things IMHO. I have to agree too. MS Word has a revisioning engine that lets you highlight changes by author, which can be useful, but there's no equivalent for RISC OS. That sort of approach gets icky anyway when you start having multi-framed documents, with complex text flows. I usually supply PDF or printouts to the client and let them annotate corrections. If it's copy to correct, I'd give them plain text. Later, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 00:46:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115867 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 00:46:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948151049:10:15195:17; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:17:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015051; 17 Jan 2000 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01503 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:01:46 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01493 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:01:42 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user165.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.97]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08208 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:01:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:57:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <4982034338marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4981d1e759marteng@intonet.co.uk> <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Absolutely correct. The only professional way of doing things IMHO. OK - point taken - I'll re-design it. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 00:46:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115868 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 00:46:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948151270:20:18980:22; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:21:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104155; 17 Jan 2000 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01453 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:50:39 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01447 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:50:36 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user157.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.89]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA08029 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:50:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:45:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <49820221cemarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4981d1d48bmarteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Unless you are a Postscript expert it looks like the best bet will be to > finalize the text first (what could be simpler than an ASCII file?) and > deal with the layout separately. You could try HTML but it is hardly > likely to be an accurate representation if the browsers are different > and set up differently. Yep, I think that's what I'll have to do - it means redesigning the layou to avoid framed boxes for setting off items - 'cos savong Text Story to generate text onlytakes the main story and loses the framed text! Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 00:46:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115869 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 00:46:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948151122:10:16902:20; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:18:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128206; 17 Jan 2000 23:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01551 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:03:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01544 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:03:36 GMT Received: from (62.188.132.100) [62.188.132.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12ALBC-0003eH-00; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:03:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:02:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: RTF import Message-ID: <498203b920charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4981752634davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4981752634davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R My copy of OP Release Notes refers to !TransRTF. I don't seem to have a copy. Where can I find one, please? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 00:46:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115870 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 00:46:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948151817:20:01381:19; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:30:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113484; 17 Jan 2000 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01499 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:01:44 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01487 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:01:41 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user165.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.97]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08200 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:01:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:57:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <4982033982marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <4981d1e759marteng@intonet.co.uk> <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > If we want to send OvPro pages to a client for approval we would > send them in postscript or (more usually, PDF). If we send them > as PDF we deliberately set the security settings to *prevent* any > changes to the document. The last thing we want is for a client > to start mucking a round with either the text or the > layout. We insist on comments being supplied separately. Fair point - I think I'll re-design it! Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 00:46:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115872 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 00:46:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948152611:10:26541:19; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:43:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026512; 17 Jan 2000 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01749 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:24:39 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01743 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:24:35 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.243.181]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:54:16 +1030 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:52:24 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4981eaab4djms@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 18 Jan, John Sandford wrote: > In article , > Barrie McElroy wrote: > > I have tried many such combinations using that logic, but have not yet found > > one that works. > > Is there a "pause" command I can use? > > I tried your method with a wait (part of extrabar) between filer_Runs > still loads 2 copies of OP > Thanks John At least I am glad it is not just my obtuseness! Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 16:41:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115878 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 16:41:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948170968:10:06023:17; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:49:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005868; 18 Jan 2000 4:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03150 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:17:24 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA03144 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:17:18 GMT Received: (qmail 21407 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2000 22:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.68.180) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2000 22:34:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:28:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Newframe applet To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <49819a47d5tim@de-sig.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 17 Jan, Tim King wrote: > > > Has anybody got any ideas for a new applets ? > > > Now what would be a challenge would be an graphical imposition > > format designer. > > Go on then ;-) > > Something simpler - I'd love to have the printable area interpreted as > a selectable rectangle that I could then move around to print out > small bits from large pages (or parts of a page scaled up). I know I > can do this now by typing in xy offsets. But that involves guesswork. > The moveable frame would automatically return those values to the > print dialogue. > > tim > This would be nice for those oversize sheets which need proofing/tiling onto A4, it would allow the placing of breaks where convenient for the content so pasting tiles might be easier than an automated system with standard overlap. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 16:41:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115877 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 16:41:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948157814:20:16193:18; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 01:10:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103547; 18 Jan 2000 1:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02271 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:49:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02265 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:49:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12AMpT-0003Fi-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:49:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:28:50 GMT Message-Id: <115864@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newframe applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Something simpler - I'd love to have the printable area interpreted as >a selectable rectangle that I could then move around to print out >small bits from large pages (or parts of a page scaled up). I know I >can do this now by typing in xy offsets. But that involves guesswork. >The moveable frame would automatically return those values to the >print dialogue. I quite like this idea. But... at face value if you change the print margins, you're changing the size of the printout. The white area is the fixed max printable area on the page as read from the printer. That might be a bit counter-intuitive. If you wanted a way of just printing a bit of a page, I suppose a square doughnut shaped frame would be the answer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 16:41:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115879 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 16:41:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948188124:10:13104:30; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:35:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014171; 18 Jan 2000 9:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03742 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:18:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03737 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:18:57 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12AUmc-000FlZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:18:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:05:56 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <247b358249.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , "Nick Kaijaks" wrote: > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > In message <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol > > writes > > > > > > We insist on comments being supplied separately. > > Absolutely correct. The only professional way of doing things IMHO. > I have to agree too. MS Word has a revisioning engine that lets you > highlight changes by author, which can be useful, but there's no equivalent > for RISC OS. Speaking professionally, it's an awful lot easier if you can see exactly what changes people have made, which means either their annotating hard copy or a separate list of comments. Apart from anything else, asking for a list of comments reduces the number of pointless changes :-) As has been said, OvPro is not a word processor and I don't think that revisioning or highlighting really belong in it - there are more important things that could be done. It's an absolute boon that OvPro is so much easier to use than Quark (can anyone imagine actually writing or editing in QX?) but, as has been said, if you want to use word-processing features, use a word processor. Otherwise, we'll end up with Windows-style bloatware. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 16:41:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115880 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 16:41:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948158268:20:21979:26; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 01:17:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021899; 18 Jan 2000 1:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02261 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:49:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02255 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:49:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12AMpR-0003Fi-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:49:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:26:15 GMT Message-Id: <115862@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Exporting file to PC people X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have to agree too. MS Word has a revisioning engine that lets you >highlight changes by author Is it Quark or PageMaker that has a feature for comparing two documents? 8-) Mind you what the output looks like... DDL is something I invented all by myself. I guess RTF is not going to support more than one frame per page. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 16:41:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115881 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 16:41:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948158524:20:25826:23; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 01:22:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119636; 18 Jan 2000 1:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02310 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:53:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02304 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:53:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12AMta-000Ohw-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:53:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:49:16 GMT Message-Id: <115873@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >!TransRTF The latest version is on the web site. In the file/resources section. It also comes on the release discs, disc 2 in the latest organisation, but it may move on some of the older ones. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 16:41:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115884 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 16:41:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948189010:20:29878:39; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:50:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000021; 18 Jan 2000 9:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03721 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:14:01 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03716 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:13:59 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-101.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.101]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA26478 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:13:39 GMT Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 03:40:29 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing offsets... too far offset Message-ID: <5faf178249%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R When using the Centre option of the print dialogue, OP sets the X value too big by about 3mm - not in the print window, that usually reads 0.01 or so, but the output is definitely moved a bit too far to the right, then cropped. How do I calibrate this? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 16:42:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115885 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 16:41:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948189010:20:29868:72; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:50:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110188; 18 Jan 2000 9:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03861 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:33:18 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03856 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:33:16 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.185] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12AUzy-0001iS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:32:26 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:17:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:16:54 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <83fa3b8249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > In message <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol > > writes > > > > > >If we want to send OvPro pages to a client for approval we would > > >send them in postscript or (more usually, PDF). If we send them > > >as PDF we deliberately set the security settings to *prevent* any > > >changes to the document. The last thing we want is for a client > > >to start mucking a round with either the text or the > > >layout. We insist on comments being supplied separately. > > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Absolutely correct. The only professional way of doing things IMHO. Nick Kaijaks wrote: > I usually supply PDF or printouts to the client and let them annotate > corrections. If it's copy to correct, I'd give them plain text. If our client has the full Acrobat software then we ask for 'annotations' to be made to the document. Acrobat allows several types of annotation, and several ways of extracting them from the document. However, we have to move the material to a PC to do all this. The PDF tools available for RISC OS are extremely primitive compared the current state of the art on the PC. The Mac seems recently to have caught up with the PC. PDF is an all-singing and dancing format, with extensive twiddles for pre-press work and for multimedia publishing. In pre-press there is likely to be a contest between PDF and XML, although the two really provide different kinds of facility. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 16:42:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115886 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 16:42:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948189184:20:04829:44; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:53:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004948; 18 Jan 2000 9:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03801 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:24:38 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03796 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:24:36 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA27250 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:24:16 GMT Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:24:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49820221cemarteng@intonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 17 Jan, Marten Gallagher wrote: > > Unless you are a Postscript expert it looks like the best bet will be to > > finalize the text first (what could be simpler than an ASCII file?) and > > deal with the layout separately. You could try HTML but it is hardly > > likely to be an accurate representation if the browsers are different > > and set up differently. > > Yep, I think that's what I'll have to do - it means redesigning the layou > to avoid framed boxes for setting off items - 'cos savong Text Story to > generate text onlytakes the main story and loses the framed text! > I may be misunderstanding here but you can keep your frames with separate stories in them on your master document. You just save them separately to send them for comment / redrafting. Save the main story first, click in one of the separate frames and save that one too. You can either paste it in to an appropriate place in the main text file, or add it on the end, or save it as a separate file. You could then add a note saying how it is supposed to look in the document. Regards Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 16:42:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115889 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 16:42:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948190088:20:29240:17; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:08:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112358; 18 Jan 2000 10:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03963 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:39:29 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03956 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:39:26 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA04727 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:39:07 GMT Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:39:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: RE: Exporting file to PC people To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <247b358249.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 18 Jan, John Pettigrew wrote: > In message > , "Nick Kaijaks" wrote: > > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > In message <326e58149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol > > > writes > > > > > > > > We insist on comments being supplied separately. > > > Absolutely correct. The only professional way of doing things IMHO. > > I have to agree too. MS Word has a revisioning engine that lets you > > highlight changes by author, which can be useful, but there's no equivalent > > for RISC OS. > > Speaking professionally, it's an awful lot easier if you can see exactly > what changes people have made, which means either their annotating hard > copy or a separate list of comments. Apart from anything else, asking for a > list of comments reduces the number of pointless changes :-) > As has been said, OvPro is not a word processor and I don't think that > revisioning or highlighting really belong in it - there are more important > things that could be done. It's an absolute boon that OvPro is so much > easier to use than Quark (can anyone imagine actually writing or editing in > QX?) but, as has been said, if you want to use word-processing features, > use a word processor. Otherwise, we'll end up with Windows-style bloatware. > It's still a question of where to draw the line. There is no obvious division between dtp functions and wp functions. One of the attractions of OPro is its great flexibility. If useful functions can be added without a penalty in other respects, that's got to be a good thing, I would have thought. Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 19:02:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115900 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 19:02:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948219576:20:08596:26; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:19:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119848; 18 Jan 2000 18:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05815 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:56:58 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05808 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:56:56 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop4-30.access.ch [212.161.128.222]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11750 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:56:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:53:23 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: RTF file output To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Snip the original message Had a chat with a printershop here in Switzerland. Of course specialised on Windoze and DOS files. The first thing he mentioned was having text or DTP in RTF format. And all pictures in jpeg, tif(f?) or bmp format. He was rather vague on PoScript files. He believed to support PoScript1 (does it exist) but thought that PoScript3 was now the norm ... Any suggestions for further questions I should ask this chap? JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 19:02:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115902 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 19:02:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948220263:20:21078:21; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:31:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106542; 18 Jan 2000 18:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05918 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:02:48 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05912 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:02:46 GMT Received: from modem-19.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.45.19] helo=beeston12) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12AcxO-0003X4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:02:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:21:39 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4981d1fcb6marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Marten, In message <4981d1fcb6marteng@intonet.co.uk> you wrote: > On 15 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > > Not only will RTF be accepted by folk with Word97, I believe, but I am > > fairly sure they can send their files to YOu as RTF > > Yes, but how do you turn an OPro document into RTF? So far as I know you canNOT ! Which is really unhelpful. According to David Pilling, whom I asked about this, RTF is regarded as a dying format... Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 23:01:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115922 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 23:01:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948232819:20:07882:21; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:00:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007779; 18 Jan 2000 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06976 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:28:30 GMT Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06971 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:28:28 GMT Received: from s9302700.student.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id WAA02186 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:28:01 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:27:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Some extra features? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi working with some more DTP programs these days I wonder if some features could be implemented/upgraded. It's quite a list, with some I think very tricky ones. But when you don't ask you'll never get it, so.... : - When downscaling the document the grid becomes very annoying when switched on. For example Artworks does set the visible grid to a lower resolution when downscaling. Also a choice between a line grid and a point (cross)grid would be nice. - A baseline grid would be nice too. One can easily check if all text is well placed. I had a text vertical centred in a frame which was not properly locked to the baselinegrid lately, although it should be. 'Centering vertical' overrides 'lock to baselines'? - An option to let frames span several pages would be nice also. Usually two pages will be the max I think. But for example when an option to get more pages next to each other (for example for a threepage leaflet) will appear more spanwidth would be nice. - The latter option requires also an option to reorder the order of pages in the way it will be printed. So one can check what two pages are next to each other on the print. (is that the so called graphical imposition? Or am I mistaken) - And (yet) finally an option to print the grid. The lately discussed layers could help I think. They would be marvelous anyway. regards, Maarten -- Maarten M. Ottens Art director O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs a design house for 2d, 3d and 4d design Website : http://www.futuretrain.com/odd http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com Phone : +31-(0)626 744 077 e-mail : info@ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 23:01:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115925 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jan 100 23:01:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948235911:20:14107:22; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:51:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127519; 18 Jan 2000 22:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07200 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:36:02 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07195 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:36:00 GMT Received: (qmail 18948 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2000 22:35:33 -0000 Received: from userj935.uk.uudial.com (HELO bz82.argonet.co.uk) (194.69.100.20) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2000 22:35:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:21:46 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file Message-ID: <4982735B0B%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 18 Jan, John Sandford wrote: > Barrie McElroy wrote: > > I have tried many such combinations using that logic, but have not yet > > found one that works. Is there a "pause" command I can use? > I tried your method with a wait (part of extrabar) between filer_Runs > still loads 2 copies of OP There is a simple solution to the problem, tho'. Create an desktop file which contains only the first 2 lines (re the 2 docs) & pin it to the backdrop (bottom right is my favoured spot). Run OPro from the original file & when loaded, click on the backdrop file to load the docs into OPro. -- When you're in command, command. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:04:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Ahew-000GFU-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:03:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:48:10 GMT Message-Id: <115919@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When using the Centre option of the print dialogue, OP sets the X value too >big by about 3mm - not in the print window, that usually reads 0.01 or so, >but the output is definitely moved a bit too far to the right, then >cropped. As I usually say, this has been discussed here before. The best idea (not mine) is to set the printer margins to zero, print out something that is larger than the page size, and then measure how much actually gets printed and set the print margins accordingly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 01:52:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115940 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 01:52:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948239436:10:11101:17; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:50:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011013; 18 Jan 2000 23:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07462 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:34:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07457 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:34:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Ai80-0006Gi-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:33:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:04:21 GMT Message-Id: <115927@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Some extra features? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >For example Artworks does set the visible grid to a lower resolution when >downscaling. Seems easy enough. >- A baseline grid would be nice too. Done that in 2.57 and yes it was interesting to see if lock to base line really worked. >I had a text vertical centred in a frame which was not properly >locked to the baselinegrid lately, although it should be. 'Centering >vertical' overrides 'lock to baselines'? I believe so, can you really have both? >- An option to let frames span several pages would be nice also. Ah well if you look, all the templates have a 'spread' button, never implemented alas. >pages will be the max I think. But for example when an option to get more >pages next to each other (for example for a threepage leaflet) will appear >more spanwidth would be nice. It would be easy enough to do a 3 page imposition format for e.g. those 3 page fold up leaflets. >the way it will be printed. So one can check what two pages are next to each >other on the print. (is that the so called graphical imposition? Or am I >mistaken) Well it could be. Its the same territory. >- And (yet) finally an option to print the grid. Thats easy, if people really want it? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 01:52:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115942 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 01:52:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948241385:10:02575:19; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:23:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116073; 19 Jan 2000 0:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07610 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:54:14 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA07605 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:54:12 GMT Received: (qmail 23469 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2000 23:53:46 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2000 23:53:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 29543 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2000 23:53:44 -0000 Received: from 90.02-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.69.90) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 18 Jan 2000 23:53:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:10:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Newframe applet To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <115864@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 17 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >Something simpler - I'd love to have the printable area interpreted as > >a selectable rectangle that I could then move around to print out > >small bits from large pages (or parts of a page scaled up). I know I > >can do this now by typing in xy offsets. But that involves guesswork. > >The moveable frame would automatically return those values to the > >print dialogue. > > > I quite like this idea. But... at face value if you change the print > margins, you're changing the size of the printout. The white area is the > fixed max printable area on the page as read from the printer. That might be > a bit counter-intuitive. > > If you wanted a way of just printing a bit of a page, I suppose a square > doughnut shaped frame would be the answer. > > > > David Pilling I interpretted this as the ability to move the printable area around rather than change its size or shape. I suppose that changing the size (forced to proportional preventing change in shape) might have appeal to print a particular area of the document as big as it will go on the current printer without frequently going to the Print dialogue box and changing the scale. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 01:52:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115944 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 01:52:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948242851:10:08191:17; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:47:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106449; 19 Jan 2000 0:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07860 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:30:15 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA07855 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:30:11 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.241.15]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:59:40 +1030 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:58:05 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Solutions found although real cause not known --------------------------------------------- Thank you all who have sent suggestions about my frustrating problem about how to load several apps, including OvPro, and multiple files while loading only one copy of OvPro. I had thought that an overload of applets may have been the problems, but it is the same with them removed. The single Obey file used to work and now does not. Well, did not. Especial thanks to a couple of people for solutions that work well. Mik Towse has suggested an easy way to load the several files after OvPro is loaded. I have been sent a single solution (Double click one file) by Chris Ford. This is a small basic program he designed to provide a "wait" period between tasks, viz loading apps and files in my case. This works splendidly and can be easily adapted for any such purpose. At Chris' suggestion I shall send his program to Chris Johnson in case it may be useful to others from his web site. Again, many thanks to so many helpful, thoughtful folk. Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 01:52:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115945 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 01:52:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948242816:20:08333:20; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:46:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008284; 19 Jan 2000 0:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07756 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:18:02 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA07751 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:17:58 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.241.15]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:47:26 +1030 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:45:48 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: Loading OvPro by Obey file To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4982735B0B%mik.towse@xemik.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 19 Jan, Mik Towse wrote: > On Tue 18 Jan, John Sandford wrote: > > Barrie McElroy wrote: > > > I have tried many such combinations using that logic, but have not yet > > > found one that works. Is there a "pause" command I can use? > > I tried your method with a wait (part of extrabar) between filer_Runs > > still loads 2 copies of OP > There is a simple solution to the problem, tho'. > > Create an desktop file which contains only the first 2 lines (re the 2 docs) > & pin it to the backdrop (bottom right is my favoured spot). Run OPro from > the original file & when loaded, click on the backdrop file to load the docs > into OPro. > Thanks Mik That works very well. I know I could load each thing separately, but was frustrated that the single solution stopped working. Thank you for your continued help with this. I can now get back to work! Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 13:35:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115957 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 13:35:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948256086:10:06645:17; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:28:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006515; 19 Jan 2000 4:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08674 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:59:31 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA08669 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:59:27 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.242.8]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:28:54 +1030 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:27:19 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: RE: Exporting file to PC people To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <247b358249.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 18 Jan, John Pettigrew wrote: > > Speaking professionally, it's an awful lot easier if you can see exactly what > changes people have made, which means either their annotating hard copy or a > separate list of comments. Apart from anything else, asking for a list of > comments reduces the number of pointless changes :-) This was the early promise of Lotus Notes and now Actobat 4 offers this 'sticky note' editing. Can Cerilica be presuaded to develop RiScript with this facility? Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 13:35:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115960 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 13:35:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948274412:20:19174:17; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:33:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019121; 19 Jan 2000 9:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09447 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:00:58 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09442 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:00:54 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-04.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.70]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16608 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:57:55 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:20:58 +1200 Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <4982c02fe5timk@kiwilink.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <115864@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <115864@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <115864@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > > Something simpler - I'd love to have the printable area > > interpreted as a selectable rectangle that I could then move > > around to print out small bits from large pages (or parts of a > > page scaled up). I know I can do this now by typing in xy > > offsets... > I quite like this idea. But... at face value if you change the print > margins, you're changing the size of the printout. Are you referring to the print margins in !Printers>Edit paper sizes? - because I meant the x and y co-ords in the Print Setup dialogue, which just changes the position of the printable area relative to the sheet of paper. Surely these figures don't change the size of the printout? My day to day use for this is that a large amount of my work is at larger than A4 (usually A1 or A2). If I want to proof (or fax off for approval, say) just a bit of the page, it's so much quicker to use the LPB4 (or ArcFax!) than the A2 printer. But it means calculating from the ruler where the smaller (in this case A4) printable area should sit relative to the edges of the page. Which often needs several goes to get just right. tim -- -- de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 13:36:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115963 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 13:36:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948278021:10:13329:28; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:33:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104244; 19 Jan 2000 10:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09610 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:59:40 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09605 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:59:38 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.230] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12Arsn-00065F-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:58:33 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:46:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:46:43 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF file output Message-ID: <5f8bc28249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > Snip the original message > > Had a chat with a printershop here in Switzerland. Of course specialised > on Windoze and DOS files. The first thing he mentioned was having text > or DTP in RTF format. And all pictures in jpeg, tif(f?) or bmp format. > > He was rather vague on PoScript files. He believed to support PoScript1 > (does it exist) but thought that PoScript3 was now the norm ... > > Any suggestions for further questions I should ask this chap? > If I got the responses you describe, I would not believe I was actually talking to a printer, or at least not to the guy who knew anything about pre-press. However, many small printers are remarkably restricted and inflexible in terms of pre-press capability. Or is this a kwik-print type outfit? Some of the warning signs here: I have never come across a printer who *specialised* in windows and DOS and didn't seem to know anything else. It is only recently that PCs have become common in printing work, and then it is usually NT servers which are not used for prepress work. Most bureaux will have a pc knocking around so they can take a disk from a client who brings in work created in MSWord or MSPublisher and quietly reoriginate it all in Quark. No printer would mess with RTF. A secretarial bureau perhaps, but not a printer. It is unlikely that a printer would want jpeg. It's a lossy format suitable for photos. TIFF (in all its variants) is the industry standard. Or vector graphics where appropriate. Both usually end up as EPS files by the time the printer gets them. Postscript Level 3 is increasingly the standard, but there are many printers out there with RIPs that manage only Level 2. However, anything in Level 1 or Level 2 will work quite happily on a Level 3 RIP so provided you don't need the special features of Level 3, its no problem. If you really want to give this guy work, there is only one thing to do. Give him a postscript file and see whether he, or anyone else at the company, can do anything with it. Assuming it's not a litho printer you are talking about, then high-end machines like docutech will take postscript. Many printshops can handle PDF even if they look pale when you mention postscript. But at present that would mean 'distilling' an Acorn postscript file on a PC or Mac. Curiously, many printshops have Acrobat software but don't appreciate that this means it is a doddle for them to take an Acorn postscript disk and create PDF output that they can handle - either for running out film or for driving a high-end laser. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 13:36:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115965 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 13:36:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948278860:10:04160:49; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:47:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101487; 19 Jan 2000 10:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09652 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:04:59 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09647 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:04:57 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA17993 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:04:24 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:01:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <115919@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 18 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > >When using the Centre option of the print dialogue, OP sets the X value too > >big by about 3mm - not in the print window, that usually reads 0.01 or so, > >but the output is definitely moved a bit too far to the right, then > >cropped. > > As I usually say, this has been discussed here before. > > The best idea (not mine) is to set the printer margins to zero, print out > something that is larger than the page size, and then measure how much > actually gets printed and set the print margins accordingly. > I followed this advice some time ago but didn't bother to measure and reset the printer margins. It took me ages to work out why the option to show printer margins didn't seem to work. Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 13:36:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115966 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 13:36:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948288703:20:04401:18; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:31:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107289; 19 Jan 2000 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10839 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:15:56 GMT Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.143]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10834 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:15:54 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.70.215]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000119131425.BLRL28954.mta2-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:14:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:15:55 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: Newframe applet To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <4982c02fe5timk@kiwilink.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 19 Jan, Tim King wrote: > In article <115864@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > Something simpler - I'd love to have the printable area > > > interpreted as a selectable rectangle that I could then move > > > around to print out small bits from large pages (or parts of a > > > page scaled up). I know I can do this now by typing in xy > > > offsets... > > > I quite like this idea. But... at face value if you change the print > > margins, you're changing the size of the printout. > > Are you referring to the print margins in !Printers>Edit paper sizes? > - because I meant the x and y co-ords in the Print Setup dialogue, > which just changes the position of the printable area relative to the > sheet of paper. Surely these figures don't change the size of the > printout? > > My day to day use for this is that a large amount of my work is at > larger than A4 (usually A1 or A2). If I want to proof (or fax off for > approval, say) just a bit of the page, it's so much quicker to use the > LPB4 (or ArcFax!) than the A2 printer. But it means calculating from > the ruler where the smaller (in this case A4) printable area should > sit relative to the edges of the page. Which often needs several goes > to get just right. > > tim > Yes, I too would like this graphical setting of part of a large document which will actually be printed. The calculating x and y offsets does work and the area which will be printed is shown accurately when 'display print margins' is selected, but moving a rectangle which shows the area would be very, very much quicker. Not knowing much about progamming, would it be too much of a problem to get the computer to read of the correct offsets from the on screen display, and feed this information into the print module? Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 13:36:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115968 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 13:36:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948282318:10:28305:19; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:45:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110030; 19 Jan 2000 11:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10155 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:28:25 GMT Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10150 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:28:23 GMT Received: from in5972-211.staff.wlv.ac.uk ([134.220.211.187] helo=in5972.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 12AtH8-0003Xa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:27:46 +0000 Message-ID: <38859FB2.24CE@wlv.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:27:46 +0000 From: "M.L.Bellamy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Font scan? References: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA3186@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Having recently rearranged some of my fonts into subdirectories I, of course, came across the problem that OPro couldn't find them when I loaded documents. Would it be possible in addition to the Temp/Perm reflow with a different font, to have an option to scan for the missing font? In other words look through all the directories and subdirectories in !Fonts for a font of the same name (if not the same full pathname). This would also reduce problems with exchanging files with other OPro users, although if I'm the only one who has grouped fonts together in new directories, maybe I'm the only one who might have the problem. Matt -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 13:36:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115972 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 13:36:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948285707:10:07811:50; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:41:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011142; 19 Jan 2000 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10411 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:24:36 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10406 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:24:34 GMT Received: from [213.1.130.202] (helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12Au9S-00029F-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:23:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:20:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <4982d0aa1ddarprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <38859FB2.24CE@wlv.ac.uk> References: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA3186@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> <38859FB2.24CE@wlv.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <38859FB2.24CE@wlv.ac.uk>, M.L.Bellamy wrote: > Having recently rearranged some of my fonts into subdirectories I, of > course, came across the problem that OPro couldn't find them when I > loaded documents. Would it be possible in addition to the Temp/Perm > reflow with a different font, to have an option to scan for the missing > font? In other words look through all the directories and subdirectories > in !Fonts for a font of the same name (if not the same full pathname). > This would also reduce problems with exchanging files with other OPro > users, although if I'm the only one who has grouped fonts together in > new directories, maybe I'm the only one who might have the problem. No you're not the only one. I've always thought that the Temp/Perm reflow window should have an option for reflowing the missing font with a font of ones own choosing not with the default Times, sorry, Trinity. This is because if, like me, you have deleted a font from your system and replaced it with a better quality font of the same design but with a different name, you've often got a lot of messing around to do. Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 13:36:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115973 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 13:36:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948285751:11:20908:33; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:42:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1023479; 19 Jan 2000 12:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10274 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:59:31 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10269 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:59:28 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26798 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:58:48 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id LAA13677 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:59:51 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025686B.00413590.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:56:47 +0000 Subject: Missing fonts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I use the OEFPro applet with Font directory Pro to automatically switch on any missing fonts. Usually this works well, but it doesn't seem to find fonts that are only in draw files within an OP document. Is there any way round this? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 15:22:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115991 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 15:22:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948289388:20:21905:29; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:43:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125391; 19 Jan 2000 13:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10823 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:13:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10818 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:13:46 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Auv9-0006cy-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:13:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:12:08 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset References: <115919@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Alf Chamings writes >On Tue 18 Jan, David Pilling wrote: >> >> >> >> The best idea (not mine) is to set the printer margins to zero, print out >> something that is larger than the page size, and then measure how much >> actually gets printed and set the print margins accordingly. >> I have today uploaded to Chris Johnson for inclusion on the web site a document which contains a number of rulers; ideal for this task Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 17:43:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116010 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 17:43:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948303545:10:05835:56; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:39:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1127799; 19 Jan 2000 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12014 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:09:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12008 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:09:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12AybJ-000Nj1-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:08:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:31:46 GMT Message-Id: <115995@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newframe applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Are you referring to the print margins in !Printers>Edit paper sizes? >- because I meant the x and y co-ords in the Print Setup dialogue, >which just changes the position of the printable area relative to the >sheet of paper. Surely these figures don't change the size of the >printout? If you just want to move the white printable area around the page, then that is relatively easy. It does get more of a problem with fancy formats like pamphlet or booklet... But it is still true that if you allowed just one margin to be changed then you would implicitly be changing the scale of the printout. So note there's a catch in just moving the print area, the size of the white area is fixed, you can't use it to select a smaller area. If you want to change the areas size and not the scale, then you're inventing a new concept, which would probably mean another on screen marker, or get us into the thorny matter of can applications change the print margins. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 19:21:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116011 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 19:21:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948305006:20:28250:56; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:03:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113511; 19 Jan 2000 18:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12314 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:46:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12309 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:45:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12AzAY-0001C4-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:45:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:10:51 GMT Message-Id: <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >loaded documents. Would it be possible in addition to the Temp/Perm >reflow with a different font, to have an option to scan for the missing >font? In other words look through all the directories and subdirectories >in !Fonts for a font of the same name (if not the same full pathname). I think an automatic search would be problematic. If you've renamed Trinity - Homerton how's it to know. Presumeably you could set up a font alias file. >No you're not the only one. I've always thought that the Temp/Perm reflow >window should have an option for reflowing the missing font with a font of >ones own choosing not with the default Times, sorry, Trinity. I'll go along with that. My idea has always been that there should be a way of globally replacing one font with another. I suppose you already have this ability by the process of saving as DDL, changing the font name at the start of the DDL and reloading. >Usually this works well, but it doesn't seem to find fonts that are >only in draw files within an OP document. ISTR Adrian Look wrote a scanner that scanned an OPro file and loaded all the fonts - even those in Draw or ArtWorks files. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 21:03:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116017 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 21:03:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948309996:20:06442:530; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:26:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003298; 19 Jan 2000 19:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12442 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:12:52 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12437 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:12:49 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01313 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:12:07 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id SAA26749 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:13:14 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025686B.0063A829.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:14:29 +0000 Subject: Re: Font scan? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>Usually this works well, but it doesn't seem to find fonts that are >>only in draw files within an OP document. >ISTR Adrian Look wrote a scanner that scanned an OPro file and loaded >all the fonts - even those in Draw or ArtWorks files. I can drop the OPro file on the Font Directory icon and it finds all the fonts including those in Draw files, but I have to remember to do it. The OEFPro applet does this automatically when the file is loaded into OPro. It finds all the fonts in the document, but not in the draw files. I'm not sure where the limitation is, whether the applet cannot scan the draw files or OPro doesn't report the missing fonts. Either way it would be nice to make it work for all missing fonts. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 21:03:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116020 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 21:03:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948310996:20:04223:162; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:43:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105876; 19 Jan 2000 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12756 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:18:40 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12751 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:18:38 GMT Received: (qmail 3079 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2000 19:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.71.212) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2000 19:18:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:04:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <5f8bc28249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 19 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > much snipped > > Assuming it's not a litho printer you are talking about, then > high-end machines like docutech will take postscript. Many > printshops can handle PDF even if they look pale when you mention > postscript. But at present that would mean 'distilling' an Acorn > postscript file on a PC or Mac. Curiously, many printshops have > Acrobat software but don't appreciate that this means it is a > doddle for them to take an Acorn postscript disk and create PDF > output that they can handle - either for running out film or for > driving a high-end laser. > I saw this on another mailing list (Archive-on-line) today (and am copying to the originator so he knows that I have copied it to the Ovation Pro mailing list): I've been sending documents to PC users by printing them out as a PostScript file from Impression, then converting them to PDF via the net-- you FTP the file to ftp://ftp.babinszki.com/pub/inbox/ then pick up the 'distilled' PDF file a few minutes later from ftp://ftp.babinszki.com/pub/out/. Sounds complicated, but it works perfectly, and doesn't baulk at RISC OS printer driver PostScript files. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 21:03:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116025 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 21:03:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948315610:20:24964:28; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:00:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119526; 19 Jan 2000 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13149 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:43:00 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13144 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:42:52 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-21.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.87]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10191 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:39:52 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:24:16 +1200 Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <4983026857tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <115995@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <115995@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <115995@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > If you just want to move the white printable area around the page, > then that is relatively easy. Yay!!!! > It does get more of a problem with > fancy formats like pamphlet or booklet... ok. From memory I don't think I've ever wanted to do that anyway. Never done a booklet big enough ;-) > But it is still true that if you allowed just one margin to be > changed then you would implicitly be changing the scale of the > printout. > So note there's a catch in just moving the print area, the size of > the white area is fixed, you can't use it to select a smaller area. > If you want to change the areas size and not the scale, then you're > inventing a new concept, which would probably mean another on screen > marker, or get us into the thorny matter of can applications change > the print margins. No, don't worry. We (I) don't want to do this. Like you said, if it was ever required then a donut shaped frame 'd do it. Whenever I've proofed a part of a page and some of the surrounding area is too distracting, a simple frame to block out the offending edge or whatever has always been ample. No need to get tricky. tim -- de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 21:49:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116041 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 21:49:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948316831:20:14884:17; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:20:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114591; 19 Jan 2000 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13237 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:59:38 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13230 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:59:34 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.173] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12B2BL-0000yb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:58:23 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:43:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:43:28 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <11acfe8249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >No you're not the only one. I've always thought that the Temp/Perm reflow > >window should have an option for reflowing the missing font with a font of > >ones own choosing not with the default Times, sorry, Trinity. > > I'll go along with that. My idea has always been that there should be > a way of globally replacing one font with another. I suppose you > already have this ability by the process of saving as DDL, changing > the font name at the start of the DDL and reloading. Alas, I seem to have to do just this quite often. One reason is the constant changing of font directory structures I've been through trying to find one that copes with italic fonts in different weights. So I also would go along with this as an option. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 21:49:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116044 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jan 100 21:49:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948317549:10:13036:23; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:32:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014161; 19 Jan 2000 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13235 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:59:36 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13225 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:59:33 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.173] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12B2BJ-0000yb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:58:22 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:48:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:47:38 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing out a list of styles Message-ID: <87dff8249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, I think I mentioned some time ago how incredibly useful it would be to be able to generate a listing of each paragraph style with complete typespec. We have to do this routinely for checking against client typespecs and if the document has, say, 50 or so styles (not at all unusual in a technical document) there is just no easy way of doing it - even from the DDL file. Having just spent a great deal of time on this, I thought it might be worth mentioning again in case you are still looking for enhancements to the text side of things ... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 01:28:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116059 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 01:28:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948323528:10:08596:17; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:12:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121979; 19 Jan 2000 23:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13858 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:29:08 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA13853 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:29:06 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.65) [62.188.144.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12B3aU-0000SU-00; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:28:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:16:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <4982f6b414robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/0.49g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > ISTR Adrian Look wrote a scanner that scanned an OPro file and loaded > all the fonts - even those in Draw or ArtWorks files. He certainly did and it is very useful indeed. You can tell it which types of files to scan for fonts on loading the file - including Ovation Pro. It is part of his FontDir application which I can strongly recommend. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 01:29:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116060 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 01:28:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948324146:10:25382:17; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:22:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103385; 19 Jan 2000 23:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13944 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:52:12 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13939 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:52:10 GMT Received: from modem-123.calcium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.9.251] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12B3wo-0001C9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:51:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:44:24 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: 32K sprites in Artworks Message-ID: <65be98349%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Sorry if this is ground that's been covered before but it's not in my archives. I have recently started using 32K and 16M colour sprites in Artworks files and although they render fine in the program they won't then load into OVPro. It conplains that the files were created by a newer version of Artworks. Presumably my ArtworksRenderer module is out of date. Is there a newer version? (mine is 1.22) or a workaround? Thanks, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Admiration: Our polite recognition of another's resemblance to ourselves. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 01:29:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116061 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 01:29:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948325404:10:29441:22; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:43:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125511; 19 Jan 2000 23:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14000 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:08:16 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13995 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:08:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12B4CM-000KzY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:07:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:58:48 GMT Message-Id: <116049@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing out a list of styles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think I mentioned some time ago how incredibly useful it would >be to be able to generate a listing of each paragraph style with >complete typespec. I don't recall that. What do you mean by 'typespec' or what do you want. It would be dead easy to allow you to menu over the list of styles, pop up a text save box, and write into it the text which usually appears at the bottom of the edit style window when you select a style. Would that do? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 01:29:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116062 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 01:29:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948326186:10:21799:17; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:56:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110617; 19 Jan 2000 23:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14229 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:39:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14224 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:39:30 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.209) [193.149.78.209] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12B4gb-0002qD-00; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:38:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:55:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: RTF import Message-ID: <498270f9a7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <115873@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <115873@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 18 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >!TransRTF > The latest version is on the web site. In the file/resources section. > It also comes on the release discs, disc 2 in the latest organisation, > but it may move on some of the older ones. Found it, thanks. ... But it doesn't seem to work for me. Message is: Illegal address (ie wildly outside array bounds) I'm using RISC OS4 with OP2.56 Help please. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 02:31:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116078 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 02:31:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948332397:20:21430:306; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:39:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002389; 20 Jan 2000 0:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14453 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:11:54 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA14448 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:11:52 GMT Received: (qmail 1830 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2000 00:11:11 -0000 Received: from userb757.uk.uudial.com (HELO userb757) (193.149.83.232) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2000 00:11:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:09:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: RTF import Message-ID: <498311910drayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498270f9a7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <115873@pilling.demon.co.uk> <498270f9a7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <498270f9a7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk>, charles.hope wrote: > > >!TransRTF > > The latest version is on the web site. In the file/resources section. > > It also comes on the release discs, disc 2 in the latest organisation, > > but it may move on some of the older ones. > Found it, thanks. ... But it doesn't seem to work for me. > Message is: Illegal address (ie wildly outside array bounds) > I'm using RISC OS4 with OP2.56 You need to update the !Server file inside it to the later one on DP's web site (I think). The same applies to all the filters - the !Server file is common to them all. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 13:08:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116080 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 13:08:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948338691:10:22845:19; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:24:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111594; 20 Jan 2000 3:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15689 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:34:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15679 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:34:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12B7QG-0009DM-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:34:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:31:23 GMT Message-Id: <116064@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Message is: Illegal address (ie wildly outside array bounds) Thats because that copy is not compatible with RISC OS 4. So either get the one off the web or heed this advice... (1) Transloaders Symptom: When loading pictures or RTF, text or Impression DDF files there is a crash. Although OvationPro continues to be on the icon bar. Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro illegally accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders and replace the !Server file inside them with the new one available from the OvationPro web site File Library page. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 13:08:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116079 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 13:08:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948336499:20:14688:101; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:48:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119988; 20 Jan 2000 2:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15545 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:48:54 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15540 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:48:52 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-116.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.116]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA03482 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:48:09 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:47:57 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset Message-ID: <7b18f48249%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <115919@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <115919@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > When using the Centre option of the print dialogue, OP sets the X value > > too big by about 3mm - not in the print window, that usually reads 0.01 > > or so, but the output is definitely moved a bit too far to the right, > > then cropped. > > As I usually say, this has been discussed here before. > > The best idea (not mine) is to set the printer margins to zero, print out > something that is larger than the page size, and then measure how much > actually gets printed and set the print margins accordingly. I'm still not sure if we're talking about the same problem... here's a better explanation: If I have a document with a left hand edge like this: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 | ....where '|' marks the print boundary as displayed on screen, then 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 | ....(where '|' now marks the print boundary as defined in in the printer driver) is what gets printed. I can see to much, but the print boundary is correct relative to the edge of the real paper and the edge of the on screen paper. Conversely, I loose things off the right hand edge, but it's print boundary is in the right position, the output has moved. The problem is it's not WYSIWYG. Where is _this_ offset set from? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 13:08:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116082 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 13:08:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948344220:20:00330:1255; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:57:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116543; 20 Jan 2000 3:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15691 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:34:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15684 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:34:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12B7QJ-0009DM-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:34:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:31:38 GMT Message-Id: <116066@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 32K sprites in Artworks X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have recently started using 32K and 16M colour sprites in >Artworks files and although they render fine in the program they won't >then load into OVPro. I believe this is just 'tough luck' and it also applies to Impression. Suitable rendering modules were never released. I'd be delighted to hear I'm wrong... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 13:08:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116086 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 13:08:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948361873:20:03976:74; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:51:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102769; 20 Jan 2000 9:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17073 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:15:10 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17068 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:15:03 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05538 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:14:13 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA23240 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:14:13 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Some extra features? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:12:39 -0000 Message-ID: <000101bf6326$7f985520$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <115927@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >pages will be the max I think. But for example when an option to get more > >pages next to each other (for example for a threepage leaflet) > will appear > >more spanwidth would be nice. > > > It would be easy enough to do a 3 page imposition format for e.g. those > 3 page fold up leaflets. Think I did that last year - gatefold rather than concertina fold. It wasn't *that* easy ;-) Later, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 13:08:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116087 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 13:08:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948362250:10:21301:81; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:57:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109064; 20 Jan 2000 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17229 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:40:18 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17224 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:40:15 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18609 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:35:24 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09594; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:35:20 GMT Message-ID: <3886D7D7.FDCBED25@sharp.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:39:35 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Wed 19 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > > But at present that would mean 'distilling' an Acorn > > postscript file on a PC or Mac. > > I saw this on another mailing list (Archive-on-line) today (and am copying > to the originator so he knows that I have copied it to the Ovation Pro > mailing list): > > > > I've been sending documents to PC users by printing them out as a PostScript > file from Impression, then converting them to PDF via the net I hope nobody minds me reminding you all that PDF documents can be created easily and at no cost on RISC OS as well - using Ghostscript and !Ps2PDF. Ghostscript has handled all of the Postscript I have thrown at it so far, except for possibly docs using the TeX/LaTeX fonts - the forthcoming Ghostscript 6 may even handle them. Simply run !Ps2PDF and drop your PS file on the icon ...... Ghostscript is at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript !Ps2PDF is at http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk If you want to spend money you could try RiScript Pro, or whatever it has just been renamed by Cerillica. Graham Jones -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 13:09:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116089 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 13:08:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948362368:11:14329:27; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:59:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121508; 20 Jan 2000 9:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17116 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:29:48 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17111 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:29:46 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.86] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12BDtD-0001dW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:28:28 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:15:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:15:18 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing out a list of styles Message-ID: <1281438349%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116049@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I think I mentioned some time ago how incredibly useful it would > >be to be able to generate a listing of each paragraph style with > >complete typespec. > > I don't recall that. > > What do you mean by 'typespec' or what do you want. It would > be dead easy to allow you to menu over the list of styles, pop > up a text save box, and write into it the text which usually appears > at the bottom of the edit style window when you select a style. > > Would that do? > Very close except that I'd want to be able export a complete list (all styles with their style names and specification) in one go. The descriptions as they appear in the Edit Style window would probably do, except that I'm not sure that absolutely everything appears in it (e.g. 1st line indent?). And ideally, some indication of the Tab Ruler (i.e. where the tabs were). However, just being able to export all the Edit Style descriptions as they are now would be an excellent start. And would save us hours of work checking whether we've matched the typespec required by a client, or whether two documents differ. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 13:09:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116090 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 13:09:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948365960:20:20285:61; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:59:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020186; 20 Jan 2000 10:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17432 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:59:13 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17427 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:59:11 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12BEME-0001SH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:58:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:58:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: More downloads Message-ID: <4983477426C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Have now added to the site (url in sig) the following. Dutch dictionary of about 230,000 words. Simple ruler document to aid determination of printable area. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 13:09:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116091 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 13:09:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948363189:10:13675:26; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:13:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119156; 20 Jan 2000 10:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17170 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:31:33 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17165 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:31:30 GMT Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.192.44]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAAA62 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:30:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:21:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Subject: Re: Font scan? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4982f6b414robh@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg The Netherlands Schaijk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 19 Jan, Rob Hemmings wrote: > In article <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > ISTR Adrian Look wrote a scanner that scanned an OPro file and loaded > > all the fonts - even those in Draw or ArtWorks files. > > > He certainly did and it is very useful indeed. You can tell it which > types of files to scan for fonts on loading the file - including Ovation > Pro. It is part of his FontDir application which I can strongly recommend. Where can we get/buy that FontDir application? Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 15:11:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116106 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 15:11:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948376277:10:10045:82; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:51:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021473; 20 Jan 2000 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19424 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:13:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19419 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:13:36 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12BHOK-000PS8-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:12:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:42:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Font scan? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4982f6b414robh@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 19 Jan, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > > Adrian Look . . . >. . . part of his FontDir application which I can strongly recommend. HEAR HEAR! Everyone interested in fonts should get this! (I have no stake in LookSystems) -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 17:22:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116111 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 17:22:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948381692:20:06690:20; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:21:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006504; 20 Jan 2000 15:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19688 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:52:19 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19683 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:52:17 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup041.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.203]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25705 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:50:21 GMT Message-ID: <005701bf6354$eb0a80c0$cb94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <116064@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: RTF import (new) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:32:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I was recently sent an index for a book as a Word document. Import into Easiwriter, export as RTF and into OvnPro - easy. But many of the page numbers were in bold (as an effect not as a style). I needed to change the main font used, but doing so lost the bold attributes, whether changed as an effect or with a style. Ideas? Mike Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 17:22:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116113 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 17:22:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948388852:20:11524:108; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:20:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102466; 20 Jan 2000 17:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20150 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:05:18 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20145 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:05:16 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA11777 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:04:26 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:05:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3886D7D7.FDCBED25@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 20 Jan, Graham Jones wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > > In on Wed 19 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > > > But at present that would mean 'distilling' an Acorn > > > postscript file on a PC or Mac. > > > > I saw this on another mailing list (Archive-on-line) today (and am copying > > to the originator so he knows that I have copied it to the Ovation Pro > > mailing list): > > > > > > > > I've been sending documents to PC users by printing them out as a PostScript > > file from Impression, then converting them to PDF via the net > > I hope nobody minds me reminding you all that PDF documents can be created > easily and at no cost on RISC OS as well - using Ghostscript and !Ps2PDF. > Ghostscript has handled all of the Postscript I have thrown at it so far, > except for possibly docs using the TeX/LaTeX fonts - the forthcoming > Ghostscript 6 may even handle them. Simply run !Ps2PDF and drop your PS file > on the icon ...... > > Ghostscript is at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript > !Ps2PDF is at http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk > I gave this a go with the thought that pdf might be a useful format (possible alternative to HTML) for some documents such as policies and guidance notes for use in NHS. My attempts so far look promising but any lines drawn in OvPro seem to be ignored. Perhaps I should not raise a lines problem again... Just thought I would mention it in case there was something obvious I was missing. The other problem is that I have to look at the results on a pc to be sure of the effect because !pdf is a bit hit and miss. Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 17:22:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116114 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 17:22:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948388796:10:07347:93; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:19:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020121; 20 Jan 2000 16:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19948 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:29:22 GMT Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19943 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:29:20 GMT Received: from in5972-211.staff.wlv.ac.uk ([134.220.211.187] helo=in5972.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 12BKRj-0001Ze-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:28:31 +0000 Message-ID: <388737AE.5C88@wlv.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:28:30 +0000 From: "M.L.Bellamy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? References: <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >loaded documents. Would it be possible in addition to the Temp/Perm > >reflow with a different font, to have an option to scan for the missing > >font? In other words look through all the directories and subdirectories > >in !Fonts for a font of the same name (if not the same full pathname). > > I think an automatic search would be problematic. If you've renamed > Trinity - Homerton how's it to know. Yes, it wouldn't cover this, but I haven't so far renamed any fonts, just moved them from where they were when the file was originally saved. Basically when my list of fonts got big enough that I had to scroll down just to find Homerton I started grouping fonts together in subdirectories e.g instead of !Fonts.Notepad it became !Fonts.Fancyfont.Notepad, which reduced the number of fonts in the list that initially appears when you click on the info palette (this subdirectory creation also seems to cause problems with the newframe applet which appears to have a character limit so instead of looking for !Fonts.Fancyfont.Notepad it looks for !Fonts.Fancyfont.N or something similar). I'd also suggest having it semi-automatic rather than automatic ie. you're asked if you want to scan for the same font in a different location and if it finds it again checks that you want to use it instead (perm or temp). > Presumeably you could set up a font alias file. Not something I know how to do unfortunately. Matt -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 19:17:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116131 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 19:17:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948394144:10:00196:21; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:49:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026190; 20 Jan 2000 18:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20503 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:31:21 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20490 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:31:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12BMLj-000CNj-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:30:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:21:44 GMT Message-Id: <116125@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import (new) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I was recently sent an index for a book as a Word document. Import into >Easiwriter, export as RTF and into OvnPro - easy. But many of the page >numbers were in bold (as an effect not as a style). I needed to change the >main font used, but doing so lost the bold attributes, whether changed as an >effect or with a style. Ideas? One somewhat desperate idea is that you could manually use the !Convert program inside the RTF loader (they all work like !Convert ) and then tweek the DDL output file by hand for changing the font etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 19:17:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116133 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 19:17:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948394346:10:04332:31; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:52:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105542; 20 Jan 2000 18:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20507 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:31:24 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20495 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:31:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12BMLk-000CNj-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:30:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:23:18 GMT Message-Id: <116127@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My attempts so far look promising but any lines drawn in OvPro seem to be >ignored. Perhaps I should not raise a lines problem again... Just thought I >would mention it in case there was something obvious I was missing. The usual problem with lines is their thickness, e.g. zero width (aka Thin) or just too thin for the output device. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 19:17:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116134 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 19:17:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948394794:20:23236:50; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:59:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023540; 20 Jan 2000 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20488 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:31:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20483 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:31:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12BMLh-000CNj-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:30:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:14:29 GMT Message-Id: <116123@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Conversely, I loose things off the right hand edge, but it's >print boundary is in the right position, the output has moved. >The problem is it's not WYSIWYG. >Where is _this_ offset set from? I think I see what you mean. If OPro prints the letter A 65mm from the left hand side, what it means is that it prints it 65mm from the page origin, that is at the shifts in the print dialogue box from the paper origin (bottom left hand cornet). So you could get out your ruler and measure this, and it doesn't depend on the margins. The problem comes with the common situation where it is possible to physically move the paper in the printer sideways, by means of the paper guide. Clearly if you do that you break the above connection. *some* printer drivers have a field that lets you specify this offset. Otherwise you have to get it right by physical adjustment of the paper path. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 19:17:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116135 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 19:17:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948394436:10:29962:60; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:53:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121703; 20 Jan 2000 18:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20404 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:06:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20399 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:06:42 GMT Received: from (62.188.142.92) [62.188.142.92] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12BLxv-0001QW-00; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:05:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:00:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Exporting file to PC people Message-ID: <49837395e4charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4981d1fcb6marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 17 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear Marten, > In message <4981d1fcb6marteng@intonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > On 15 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > > > Not only will RTF be accepted by folk with Word97, I believe, but I > > > am fairly sure they can send their files to YOu as RTF > > > > Yes, but how do you turn an OPro document into RTF? > So far as I know you canNOT ! Which is really unhelpful. According to > David Pilling, whom I asked about this, RTF is regarded as a dying > format... It might be dying, but it is certainly not dead. It seems to be the only way to export formatted text from Windo$e (eg Word) into RISC OS. I can get documents into Fireworkz, but I can't get Ov Pro's TransRTF to work, so I have to add all the attributes to plain text files. A lengthy task when the documents fill up 6 pages of text. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 19:18:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116137 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 19:18:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948395926:10:22508:17; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:18:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124921; 20 Jan 2000 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20509 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:31:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20500 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:31:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12BMLm-000CNj-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:30:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:24:52 GMT Message-Id: <116129@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Presumeably you could set up a font alias file. >Not something I know how to do unfortunately. Ah but now you have the priceless nugget of information that RISC OS has such a facility, you can find out about it. I guess this fix will work with programs besides OvationPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 20:19:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116140 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 20:19:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948397142:20:03661:45; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:39:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002822; 20 Jan 2000 19:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21056 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:23:06 GMT Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21051 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:23:04 GMT Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.192.113]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAB1A23 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:22:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:29:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Subject: Re: More downloads To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4983477426C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg The Netherlands Schaijk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 20 Jan, Chris Johnson wrote: > Have now added to the site (url in sig) the following. > > Dutch dictionary of about 230,000 words. > > Simple ruler document to aid determination of printable area. Many thanks, also for the author. Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 20:19:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116141 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 20:19:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948398960:10:03233:21; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:09:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003995; 20 Jan 2000 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21177 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:40:40 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA21172 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:40:38 GMT Received: (qmail 6911 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2000 19:39:43 -0000 Received: from useri334.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (194.69.105.198) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2000 19:39:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:05:03 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <4983062428%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > No you're not the only one. I've always thought that the Temp/Perm reflow > > window should have an option for reflowing the missing font with a font > > of ones own choosing not with the default Times, sorry, Trinity. > I'll go along with that. My idea has always been that there should be > a way of globally replacing one font with another. Isn't there a simple method of achieving this? If you ensure that all your 'unusual' fonts are applied as a style, editing the style to the new font should apply it throughout the doc. -- This is a GENUINE tag! Don't be fooled by cheap imitations. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:29:46 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.120] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12BOBm-0007jU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:28:19 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:18:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:18:12 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import (new) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005701bf6354$eb0a80c0$cb94a8c2@akalat> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Mike Williams" wrote: > I was recently sent an index for a book as a Word document. Import into > Easiwriter, export as RTF and into OvnPro - easy. But many of the page > numbers were in bold (as an effect not as a style). I needed to change the > main font used, but doing so lost the bold attributes, whether changed as an > effect or with a style. Ideas? > Once you have the document safely into OvPro you could perhaps save as DDL and change the font names where they are listed at the start of the document. It's a bit kludgy but I've found it the safest way of changing font names, and also identifying fonts that are specified but not actually used. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 21:35:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116144 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 21:35:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948403655:20:08956:57; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:27:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009424; 20 Jan 2000 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21595 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:11:39 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21590 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:11:36 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-16.access.ch [212.161.131.16]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25979 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:10:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:09:21 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Printing out a list of styles To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <1281438349%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 20 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: Snip > > Very close except that I'd want to be able export a complete list > (all styles with their style names and specification) in one go. That is indeed how I started. But... > The descriptions as they appear in the Edit Style window would > probably do, except that I'm not sure that absolutely everything > appears in it (e.g. 1st line indent?). And ideally, some > indication of the Tab Ruler (i.e. where the tabs were). > > However, just being able to export all the Edit Style > descriptions as they are now would be an excellent start. And > would save us hours of work checking whether we've matched the > typespec required by a client, or whether two documents differ. Doing this you must manually proceed with corrections. The question is: do you need all these details or do you want to be sure that certain styles are used? I presume you start out with a basic set up for layout and styles. To be maintained in following documents. Delete all text and objects from your basic document and save it as, say, doc00. Now follows the important part. Via the Iconbar menu de-select the "Rename styles" and "Rename colours" options in the "Text handling choices" menu ( IconbarMenu > Choices > Text ). Click OK. If you do not select Save as well you must repeat this everytime you load OvPro. Open your doc00 document and open the other document, let us call it "xyz". Now check in your "xyz" document which styles should be the same as in your doc00 document and give them the same name as in doc00. Check that the attributes are the same as well. Not in size or values but that in both cases the same selections have been made. Using drag-and-drop to transfer the contents of document "xyz" to doc00. If certain styles have been renamed you know what and where corrections are needed. Use the Style applet, select text by dragging and check what styles are shown as selected on the Style applet window. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 22:03:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116152 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 22:03:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948404553:10:04491:18; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:42:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004413; 20 Jan 2000 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21588 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:11:36 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21583 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:11:34 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-16.access.ch [212.161.131.16]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25973 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:10:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:24:40 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <7b18f48249%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 19 Jan, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > In message <115919@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: Snip a lot > If I have a document with a left hand edge like this: > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 > | > > > ...where '|' marks the print boundary as displayed on screen, then > > > 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 > | Snip some more > > > The problem is it's not WYSIWYG. Probably because the Print set up is wrong. > > Where is _this_ offset set from? Hit the Print button to start with. Somewhere you will see "Print setup". Click there, the window grows and shows other possibilities. Check the settings of "Fit", "Centre" "X" and "Y". Then hit the "Set" button to save the settings for this specific document. This should solve your problems. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 22:49:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116155 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jan 100 22:49:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948407686:20:05748:22; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:34:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105130; 20 Jan 2000 22:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21950 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:06:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21945 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:06:58 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12BPiP-000If1-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:06:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:43:28 GMT Message-Id: <116150@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing out a list of styles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > However, just being able to export all the Edit Style > descriptions as they are now would be an excellent start. And OK, I've done that now. One point is that DDL is a text file format, so one way to find the differences in documents is to save them both as DDL and then feed them into the 'diff' programs that all us programmers have to hand. The catch is that typically a style in one file is going to have a different id to the same style in another file. For files that are similar this may not be much of a problem. You could write a dedicated 'diff' that ignored the style id's. Hey I can see you'll have to talk someone into writing a program that can manipulate DDL files ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 21 01:29:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116157 for opro ; Fri, 21 Jan 100 01:29:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948412680:10:13465:17; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:58:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129470; 20 Jan 2000 23:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22192 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:29:48 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22187 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:29:46 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.217] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12BQzz-0000Ws-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:28:19 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:24:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:24:36 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing out a list of styles Message-ID: <8c42918349%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Thu 20 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Snip > > > > > Very close except that I'd want to be able export a complete list > > (all styles with their style names and specification) in one go. > > That is indeed how I started. But... > > > The descriptions as they appear in the Edit Style window would > > probably do, except that I'm not sure that absolutely everything > > appears in it (e.g. 1st line indent?). And ideally, some > > indication of the Tab Ruler (i.e. where the tabs were). > > > > However, just being able to export all the Edit Style > > descriptions as they are now would be an excellent start. And > > would save us hours of work checking whether we've matched the > > typespec required by a client, or whether two documents differ. > > Doing this you must manually proceed with corrections. The question is: > do you need all these details or do you want to be sure that certain > styles are used? We need to be able to check (a) the complete spec for all styles used in a document (b) check how our specs compare with those supplied by a client (sometimes we may receive pages of printout listing every conceivable style for, eg a journal. This is the old method used to brief compositors) (c) perhaps reproduce a particular style in another document. Importing styles directly (we have 'rename' deselected by default anyway) is just far too dangerous if you have 50 or so styles set. We would have check the whole thing manually again anyway! So our basic problem is simple: we need to document all the styles used in a document for a variety of reasons. Managing styles when you just have a few basic ones is no problem. But an academic journal will have more styles than you can imagine, and then it becomes quite a headache. One of the key issues in professional work is quality assurance: we need not just to be able to do something, but to be able to do it reliably, consistently, under pressure and to be able to verify easily that it is correct. Remember also that more than one person may be working on a document, and that some of them may be more expert than others. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 21 01:29:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116158 for opro ; Fri, 21 Jan 100 01:29:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948411839:20:28058:142; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:43:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115506; 20 Jan 2000 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22161 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:24:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA22156 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:24:30 GMT Received: from (62.188.130.37) [62.188.130.37] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12BQvP-0007NC-00; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:23:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:13:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <49839048fdrobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4982f6b414robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk wrote: > On Wed 19 Jan, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > In article <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > > > ISTR Adrian Look wrote a scanner that scanned an OPro file and loaded > > > all the fonts - even those in Draw or ArtWorks files. > > > > > > He certainly did and it is very useful indeed. You can tell it which > > types of files to scan for fonts on loading the file - including Ovation > > Pro. It is part of his FontDir application which I can strongly recommend. > Where can we get/buy that FontDir application? > Arnold It is available from LookSystems - I'm sorry I don't have their telephone number to hand as it has changed from the one on the manual. I expect most Acorn dealers would be able to get it for you though. There are actually several versions (I think you may need FontDir Pro, which is the version I have, but I can't remember exactly what the differences are now - sorry.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 21 01:29:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116159 for opro ; Fri, 21 Jan 100 01:29:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948412205:20:03081:18; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:50:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002991; 20 Jan 2000 23:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22223 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:33:50 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22218 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:33:49 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.34] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12BR3t-0000ar-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:32:22 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:33:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:34:06 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output Message-ID: <1421928349%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alf Chamings wrote: > On Thu 20 Jan, Graham Jones wrote: > > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > > > > In on Wed 19 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > > > > But at present that would mean 'distilling' an Acorn > > > > postscript file on a PC or Mac. > > > > > > I saw this on another mailing list (Archive-on-line) today (and am copying > > > to the originator so he knows that I have copied it to the Ovation Pro > > > mailing list): > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been sending documents to PC users by printing them out as a PostScript > > > file from Impression, then converting them to PDF via the net > > > > I hope nobody minds me reminding you all that PDF documents can be created > > easily and at no cost on RISC OS as well - using Ghostscript and !Ps2PDF. > > Ghostscript has handled all of the Postscript I have thrown at it so far, > > except for possibly docs using the TeX/LaTeX fonts - the forthcoming > > Ghostscript 6 may even handle them. Simply run !Ps2PDF and drop your PS file > > on the icon ...... > > > > Ghostscript is at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript > > !Ps2PDF is at http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk > > > I gave this a go with the thought that pdf might be a useful format (possible > alternative to HTML) for some documents such as policies and guidance notes > for use in NHS. > > My attempts so far look promising but any lines drawn in OvPro seem to be > ignored. Perhaps I should not raise a lines problem again... Just thought I > would mention it in case there was something obvious I was missing. > > The other problem is that I have to look at the results on a pc to be sure of > the effect because !pdf is a bit hit and miss. I'm sure that pdf would be very appropriate for NHS documentation. Unfortunately, you really would need to check the final document on a PC anyway: the rule is always to check how a document looks on the target output device and I guess most users would be using a PC. Actually, you would really need to test it under every version of Acrobat Reader which is likely to be used. It doesn't stop you composing and designing the material under RISC OS though. In straightforward documents, one of the biggest headaches relates to fonts: making sure that type 1 fonts are embedded in the postscript and then embedded in the PDF. Ordinary RISC OS fonts will normally embed as Type 3 and look terrible when viewed on the screen (though they will print out fine). And many ways of making a PDF do not properly embed the fonts into the document, meaning that something quite different gets substituted when the document is read. As far as I recall, !PDF doesn't use embedded fonts, though Riscript Pro does. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 21 14:02:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116171 for opro ; Fri, 21 Jan 100 14:02:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948445077:10:00494:17; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:57:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000439; 21 Jan 2000 8:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23390 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:29:55 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23385 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:29:53 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.161] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12BZQa-00010h-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:28:21 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:28:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:28:08 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing out a list of styles Message-ID: <775c38349%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116150@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > However, just being able to export all the Edit Style > > descriptions as they are now would be an excellent start. And > > OK, I've done that now. > Wonderful news, David. This will save us lots of time on future jobs. > One point is that DDL is a text file format, so one way to find the > differences in documents is to save them both as DDL and then feed them into > the 'diff' programs that all us programmers have to hand. Yes, but one problem is that you'd need a program that would interpret the style specs as they appear in the DDL file and ouput them in English. A 'diff' program has cathes other than the one you mention. We need to compare styles in different documents (i.e. everything else about the document is different except the styles). I daresay we could export stylesheets and compare those. But you really need to be a programmer to understand the difference when you've found one. We need something that we can train ordinary folk to do and understand, and produce documentation which we can show the client. > The catch is that typically a style in one file is going to have a different > id to the same style in another file. For files that are similar this may > not be much of a problem. > > You could write a dedicated 'diff' that ignored the style id's. > > Hey I can see you'll have to talk someone into writing a program that can > manipulate DDL files ;-) It might come to that! I've often thought that there would be scope for a utility program which could manipulate DDL files, and even thought of writing one to do various jobs in-house (such as the style listing problem). But life is so short .... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 21 14:03:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116176 for opro ; Fri, 21 Jan 100 14:03:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948450237:20:15447:165; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:23:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016797; 21 Jan 2000 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23640 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:08:20 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23635 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:08:19 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01418 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:07:17 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id KAA31532 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:08:24 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025686D.0036BD89.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:09:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Font scan? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >> > > ISTR Adrian Look wrote a scanner that scanned an OPro file and loaded >> > > all the fonts - even those in Draw or ArtWorks files. >> > >> > >> > He certainly did and it is very useful indeed. You can tell it which >> > types of files to scan for fonts on loading the file - including Ovation >> > Pro. It is part of his FontDir application which I can strongly recommend. >There are actually several versions (I think you may need FontDir Pro, >which is the version I have, but I can't remember exactly what the >differences are now - sorry.) I've been doing some more investigations and I have two queries. First: I have FontDir Pro, but I got it as a "cheap" upgrade with limited documentation. I noticed in some of the config menus stuff about auto scanning files, but cannot get it to work (also along these lines I cannot get it to load the on-line help either) How do I set this up? Second: Turning off the OEFPro applet (which was providing the auto scan facility I wanted) OPro only moans about the missing fonts in the text and not those in the draw file. Is this a feature or a bug :-? I guess if OPro spotted the missing fonts then OEFPro would as well. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 21 14:03:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116178 for opro ; Fri, 21 Jan 100 14:03:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948458246:10:01182:26; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:37:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102227; 21 Jan 2000 12:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23933 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:13:04 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23928 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:13:02 GMT Received: from hallas.demon.co.uk ([158.152.118.28]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Bcv3-0004on-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:12:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:08:50 +0000 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <55bfc68349.OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> References: <4982f6b414robh@argonet.co.uk> <49839048fdrobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49839048fdrobh@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10a (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/4.02F) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49839048fdrobh@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > ISTR Adrian Look wrote a scanner that scanned an OPro file and > > > > loaded all the fonts - even those in Draw or ArtWorks files. > > > > > > > > > He certainly did and it is very useful indeed. You can tell it > > > which types of files to scan for fonts on loading the file - > > > including Ovation Pro. It is part of his FontDir application > > > which I can strongly recommend. > > > Where can we get/buy that FontDir application? > > > Arnold > > It is available from LookSystems - I'm sorry I don't have their > telephone number to hand as it has changed from the one on the > manual. I expect most Acorn dealers would be able to get it for you > though. > > There are actually several versions (I think you may need FontDir > Pro, which is the version I have, but I can't remember exactly what > the differences are now - sorry.) The details I have (and I think they're correct, as I spoke to Adrian recently) are as follows: LOOKsystems 15 Grovehill Drive Falmouth Cornwall TR11 3HS Tel/Fax: (01326) 318279 International: +44 1326 318279 Email: enquires@looksystems.demon.co.uk Font Directory Pro is a superb product, which I certainly wouldn't be without. I can heartily recommend it. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 21 14:03:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116180 for opro ; Fri, 21 Jan 100 14:03:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948462899:10:06771:17; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:54:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119143; 21 Jan 2000 13:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24070 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:47:20 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24065 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:47:18 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-99.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.99]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA04779 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:46:07 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:50:43 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <116123@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <116123@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >The problem is it's not WYSIWYG. > > I think I see what you mean [snip] > Otherwise you have to get it right by physical adjustment of > the paper path. I still do not think I have got across to you the actual problem *:-\ The printer is fine. The croped margin is the right size on the paper. The problem is that what Ovation is showing me as being outside the printable area can actually get printed, to the detrement of the opposite side of the page. I can solve the problem by manually adjusting the offset in the printer dialogue by something like -2mm. But this renders the 'Centre' option a bit useless. The attached GIF shows the top left corner of a document and the resulting printout below. The problem is that the 'B' is supposed to be cropped before the raster image is sent to the printer, but somewhere along the way, before cropping, the raster image has been moved to the right a bit, and so the 'B' has fond its way inside the printable area. This is a WYS is not WYG problem. If I increase the size of the print margin (using edit paper size), then OvationPro might, in this example, show ABC in the un-printable margin, but it would then print out CDEF, the C having been moved back in during the printing process. Also, manually adjusting the X offset in the print dialogue by -2mm results in a similar shif of both onscreen and printed positions, but there is still a discrepancy between the two. This problem wastes paper, and makes critical printouts a matter of trial and error to get the right offset. I hope that's clear now! Does no-one else have this problem? 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H2]+0A41TD+&<94;KU=&O@W2D); Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:07:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12BfeE-0008gY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:06:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:13:57 GMT Message-Id: <116185@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Second: Turning off the OEFPro applet (which was providing the >auto scan facility I wanted) OPro only moans about the missing >fonts in the text and not those in the draw file. OPro deliberately only attempts to keep count of fonts in the text and not in graphics files. So it does not pass on those in Draw files to the applet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 21 18:37:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116195 for opro ; Fri, 21 Jan 100 18:37:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948476856:10:23699:17; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:47:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023600; 21 Jan 2000 17:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24728 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:42:12 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24723 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:42:10 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08735 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:41:04 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id QAA05477 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:42:13 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025686D.005B5CB2.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:43:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Font scan? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>Second: Turning off the OEFPro applet (which was providing the >>auto scan facility I wanted) OPro only moans about the missing >>fonts in the text and not those in the draw file. >OPro deliberately only attempts to keep count of fonts in the text and not >in graphics files. So it does not pass on those in Draw files to the applet. Far enough. This does mean though, that even without the applet, you don't get warned about missing fonts in the graphics files. Something people need to be aware of and watch out for. And of course it would be nice if it could be changed :-) Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 21 18:37:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116198 for opro ; Fri, 21 Jan 100 18:37:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948471434:20:02720:49; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:17:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118195; 21 Jan 2000 16:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24436 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:07:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24431 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:07:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12BfeG-0008gY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:06:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:16:23 GMT Message-Id: <116187@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I still do not think I have got across to you the actual problem *:-\ How do other programs go on? Assuming you can find something which will reproduce the same situation. Presumeably I can reproduce this, assuming it doesn't depend on document or printer driver? A quick test reveals that with ArcFax results are spot on. So there has to be a bit more than things just being wrong all the time - it has to be a funny print format or document or printer driver or print scaling. You do have a point that the on screen margins are a software thing and that is where the software should clip. But that clipping is not part of OvationPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 21 22:51:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116219 for opro ; Fri, 21 Jan 100 22:51:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948493136:10:22977:46; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:18:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023015; 21 Jan 2000 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25427 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:04:33 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25422 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:04:31 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-111.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.111]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14610 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:03:23 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:19:43 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset Message-ID: <70b0f38349%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116187@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <116187@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > You do have a point that the on screen margins are a software thing > and that is where the software should clip. Oh, good. For a moment I though I was going barmy! :-) > But that clipping is not part of OvationPro. Ah, I see. Well what I need to do then is to be able to say to Ovation "move your on-screen displayed margins 2mm to the right keeping the same print offset, because that is where the clipping happens". In other words, to calibrate the display to match reality. Is there a setting to do this? Brian. (Where does software clipping happen, then, if OP doesn't do it?) -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 22 02:00:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116222 for opro ; Sat, 22 Jan 100 02:00:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948495894:10:23867:43; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 23:04:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023823; 21 Jan 2000 23:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25600 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:36:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25595 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:36:55 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.249) [62.188.135.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Bmei-0000jV-00; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:35:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:52:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <49840ca7b4robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8025686D.0036BD89.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> References: <8025686D.0036BD89.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <8025686D.0036BD89.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel>, wrote: > First: I have FontDir Pro, but I got it as a "cheap" upgrade with > limited documentation. I noticed in some of the config menus stuff about > auto scanning files, but cannot get it to work (also along these lines I > cannot get it to load the on-line help either) > How do I set this up? >From the FontDir iconbar icon choose applications. This will open a window - click on Choices. This opens a User Preferences window. Click on the icon at the top right (a RISC OS 3 relocatable module icon) and then click on Document scanning. Tick the box that says Always scan specific filetypes and then click on the small icon to the right of this. This opens a window into which you put the file types of the files that you want scanned for fonts. For example mine contains: AFF: DrawFile B27: OvnPro BC5: Impdoc D94: Artworks Beware, as it is very fussy about the exact format. Hope this helps. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 22 14:00:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116228 for opro ; Sat, 22 Jan 100 14:00:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948513728:20:21500:24; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:02:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021359; 22 Jan 2000 4:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26147 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 03:34:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26142 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 03:34:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12BrIP-000LrH-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 03:33:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 02:01:29 GMT Message-Id: <116224@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Ah, I see. Well what I need to do then is to be able to say to Ovation >"move your on-screen displayed margins 2mm to the right keeping the same >print offset, because that is where the clipping happens". In other words, >to calibrate the display to match reality. >Is there a setting to do this? No, and you'd need this facility in every other program? >(Where does software clipping happen, then, if OP doesn't do it?) RISC OS So can you give me a reproducible example of this? Sprinter/ArcFax + a document... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 22 16:17:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116254 for opro ; Sat, 22 Jan 100 16:17:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948557915:20:17910:23; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 16:18:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101545; 22 Jan 2000 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27387 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:46:08 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27382 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:45:57 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-97.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.97]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA28406 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:44:25 GMT Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:01:09 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <116224@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <116224@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Where does software clipping happen, then, if OP doesn't do it? > > RISC OS OK, change gear... my fault, now that my deadline has passed and I've calmed down and looked at this properly it seems to be Turbo #*&^%$ing Drivers that are to blame. Reverting to normal Printers has solved the problem. Apologies for leading you on a bit of a wild goose chase. I would, however, quite like to revert to Turbo Drivers, but mainly because of the control they give you over the dot screening. How do I compensate for this offset problem under Turbo Drivers? Or is there another way of getting the dot screen control? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:45:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116258 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:45:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948566794:20:09575:24; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:46:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008940; 22 Jan 2000 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27757 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:31:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27752 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:30:58 GMT Received: from (193.149.68.222) [193.149.68.222] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12C5I5-00050e-00; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:29:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:32:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: RTF import Message-ID: <49841b4b23charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116064@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <116064@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 20 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro > illegally accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders and > replace the !Server file inside them with the new one available from the > OvationPro web site File Library page. Done that now. I can open an RTF file as a new document by dropping it on to the OvPro icon, but if I try to import it into a frame in an existing document - I get nothing. Any ideas? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:45:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116257 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:45:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948574787:10:29670:31; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:59:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029647; 22 Jan 2000 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28163 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:46:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28158 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:46:18 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.233) [62.188.135.233] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12C7P1-0000yX-00; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:44:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Young To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:45:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset Message-ID: <49848a55b4simon.young@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <116224@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Brian & David, In article , Brian O'Carroll wrote: > OK, change gear... my fault, now that my deadline has passed and I've > calmed down and looked at this properly it seems to be Turbo #*&^%$ing > Drivers that are to blame. Reverting to normal Printers has solved the > problem. Erm, sorry I actually have met this myself and abandoned my Turbo driver about a year ago beacuse of it. If you think that the clipping is wierd now, just try adjusting the default Turbo paper sizes. (Couldn't figure out the rules of the game at at all!). > Apologies for leading you on a bit of a wild goose chase. I think you owe David a virtual pint. Perhaps you have a virtual girlfriend he can leer at a bit too much?? > I would, however, quite like to revert to Turbo Drivers, but mainly > because of the control they give you over the dot screening. How do I > compensate for this offset problem under Turbo Drivers? Tried to do this a lot and eventually gave up myself. IMHO best option - use the standard RISCOS drivers - yeah they aren't the best out there but at least they put the dots in the right place. Don't bother trying to edit the Turbo driver paper sizes: This caused weird results if I recall correctly. Sorry none of this is helpful, but I recall spending a couple of days on the problem and getting nowehere. Regards, Simon. -- Simon A. Young BPharm MRPharmS | Tel: 01705-842152 Lecturer in Pharmaceutics | Fax: 01705-843565 University of Portsmouth |e-mail: simon.young@port.ac.uk |e-mail: simon.young@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Please visit our web-site located at: http://www.sci.port.ac.uk/pharmacy/drug_del.htm http://userwww.port.ac.uk/youngs ================================================================= -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:45:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116259 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:45:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948568963:20:10184:37; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:22:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010146; 22 Jan 2000 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27864 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:56:00 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27859 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:55:58 GMT Received: (qmail 11713 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2000 18:54:41 -0000 Received: from usera880.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.69.118) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2000 18:54:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:46:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: RTF import Message-ID: <49847f761edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49841b4b23charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <116064@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49841b4b23charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49841b4b23charles.hope@argonet.co.uk>, charles.hope wrote: > On 20 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro > > illegally accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders > > and replace the !Server file inside them with the new one available > > from the OvationPro web site File Library page. > Done that now. > I can open an RTF file as a new document by dropping it on to the OvPro > icon, but if I try to import it into a frame in an existing document - I > get nothing. > Any ideas? Yes, do what you've mentioned above... also open the document you want the RTF in. Hilight the RTF material, click and hold... a little rectangle will appear drag this to your existing document frame. Bob's yer... Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:46:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116263 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:46:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948585743:20:01678:23; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:02:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124375; 23 Jan 2000 0:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28502 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:35:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA28497 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:35:45 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.125) [193.149.72.125] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12CA2x-0005HD-00; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:34:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:38:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing out a list of styles Message-ID: <498468c876davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <775c38349%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <116150@pilling.demon.co.uk> <775c38349%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <775c38349%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > However, just being able to export all the Edit Style > > > descriptions as they are now would be an excellent start. And > > > > OK, I've done that now. > > > Wonderful news, David. This will save us lots of time on future > jobs. > > One point is that DDL is a text file format, so one way to find the > > differences in documents is to save them both as DDL and then feed them into > > the 'diff' programs that all us programmers have to hand. > Yes, but one problem is that you'd need a program that would > interpret the style specs as they appear in the DDL file and > ouput them in English. A 'diff' program has cathes other > than the one you mention. We need to compare styles in different > documents (i.e. everything else about the document is > different except the styles). I daresay we could export > stylesheets and compare those. But you really need to be a > programmer to understand the difference when you've found one. We > need something that we can train ordinary folk to do and > understand, and produce documentation which we can show the > client. > > The catch is that typically a style in one file is going to have a different > > id to the same style in another file. For files that are similar this may > > not be much of a problem. > > > > You could write a dedicated 'diff' that ignored the style id's. > > > > Hey I can see you'll have to talk someone into writing a program that can > > manipulate DDL files ;-) > It might come to that! I've often thought that there would be > scope for a utility program which could manipulate DDL files, and > even thought of writing one to do various jobs in-house (such as > the style listing problem). But life is so short .... > David Could be an interesting challenge he thinks.... David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:46:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116266 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:46:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948628080:20:09909:25; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:48:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009940; 23 Jan 2000 11:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29634 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:18:36 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA29629 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:18:34 GMT Received: (qmail 22869 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2000 11:17:08 -0000 Received: from userbh75.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (62.188.143.40) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2000 11:17:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:08:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: showing styles Message-ID: <4984d954f1peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Would it be possible to have a menu item which allowed one to get OPro to display styles by colouring the text, different colours for different styles? -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:46:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116264 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:46:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948624676:10:10827:17; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:51:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010781; 23 Jan 2000 10:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29459 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:21:09 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29454 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:21:07 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18854 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:19:41 GMT Message-ID: <388AD671.8A58A2B7@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:22:41 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset References: <70b0f38349%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is your printer driver set correctly? All my problems with print positions have come from this. Brian O'Carroll wrote: > > In message <116187@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > You do have a point that the on screen margins are a software thing > > and that is where the software should clip. > > Oh, good. For a moment I though I was going barmy! :-) > > > But that clipping is not part of OvationPro. > > Ah, I see. Well what I need to do then is to be able to say to Ovation > "move your on-screen displayed margins 2mm to the right keeping the same > print offset, because that is where the clipping happens". In other words, > to calibrate the display to match reality. > > Is there a setting to do this? > > Brian. > > (Where does software clipping happen, then, if OP doesn't do it?) > > -- > Brian O'Carroll > brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk > 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD > Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:46:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116270 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:46:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948638495:10:07864:24; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:41:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113666; 23 Jan 2000 14:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30048 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:05:55 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30043 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:05:54 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-124.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.124]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA11971 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:04:25 GMT Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:41:01 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing offsets... too far offset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <388AD671.8A58A2B7@sees.bangor.ac.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <388AD671.8A58A2B7@sees.bangor.ac.uk> John Percy Kerslake wrote: > Is your printer driver set correctly? All my problems with print > positions have come from this. I don't know. I installed Turbo Drivers, then used them. I did define new paper sizes using Edit Paper Sizes. Is there a problem with this? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:47:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116285 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:47:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948657691:20:25156:45; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:01:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107363; 23 Jan 2000 20:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30653 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:34:17 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30646 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:34:14 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.20.230]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:32:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:38:32 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output Message-ID: <4984EC9AF1%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3886D7D7.FDCBED25@sharp.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3886D7D7.FDCBED25@sharp.co.uk> Graham Jones wrote: >> I've been sending documents to PC users by printing them out as a >> PostScript file from Impression, then converting them to PDF via >> the net > I hope nobody minds me reminding you all that PDF documents can be > created easily and at no cost on RISC OS as well - using Ghostscript > and !Ps2PDF. I've not tried the application, for the simple reason that I've never managed to persuade the command line version to do anything sensible. Under RO 3.7 it crashed on my system. Under RO4 it runs to completion, and the output file has as many pages as the input. Sadly, they're full of gibberish. > Ghostscript has handled all of the Postscript I have thrown at it so far, > except for possibly docs using the TeX/LaTeX fonts I suppose that may be the explanation in my case, but if someone gives a PostScript file it is, to me, simply a PostScript file. > - the forthcoming Ghostscript 6 may even handle them. I live in (very little) hope. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:47:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116287 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:47:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948657835:20:27242:23; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:03:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109733; 23 Jan 2000 20:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30651 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:34:15 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30641 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:34:13 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.20.230]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:32:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:25:25 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <4984EB677B%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >> Would it be possible in addition to the Temp/Perm reflow with a >> different font, to have an option to scan for the missing font? > I think an automatic search would be problematic. If you've renamed > Trinity - Homerton how's it to know. > Presumeably you could set up a font alias file. You mean a Messagesn file? That doesn't work. If I double-click on the Manual that accompanies IdxPro, Ovation tells me "This document uses 1 font (Frutiger.Black) which is not present." Regardless of what I then do it seems to use Homerton.Bold, even though I've a Frutiger clone with a local name of Frutiger.Black defined via a Messages1 file. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:47:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116292 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:47:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948665984:20:09460:17; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:19:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108871; 23 Jan 2000 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31095 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:52:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31089 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:52:09 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.73) [193.149.84.73] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12CUu4-00002Q-00; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:50:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:44:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <4985139302davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4984EB677B%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> References: <116007@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4984EB677B%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4984EB677B%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Chris Manning wrote: > You mean a Messagesn file? That doesn't work. > If I double-click on the Manual that accompanies IdxPro, Ovation tells > me "This document uses 1 font (Frutiger.Black) which is not present." > Regardless of what I then do it seems to use Homerton.Bold, even though > I've a Frutiger clone with a local name of Frutiger.Black defined via a > Messages1 file. Having looked at the file it doesn't actually use Frutiger (it was in an earlier version...) although it does appear in the font table if I save the file as DDL. The only way I have managed to remove it is to load a DDL copy of the document into OP. At this point the reference disappers. What your seeing on screen is therefore OK.... Anybody any ideas why this happens? David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:47:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116297 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:47:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948706756:20:16788:19; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:39:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106549; 24 Jan 2000 9:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32283 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:05:37 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32278 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:05:35 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA10695 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:05:29 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:06:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4984EC9AF1%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 23 Jan, Chris Manning wrote: > In message <3886D7D7.FDCBED25@sharp.co.uk> > Graham Jones wrote: > > >> I've been sending documents to PC users by printing them out as a > >> PostScript file from Impression, then converting them to PDF via > >> the net > > > I hope nobody minds me reminding you all that PDF documents can be > > created easily and at no cost on RISC OS as well - using Ghostscript > > and !Ps2PDF. > > I've not tried the application, for the simple reason that I've never > managed to persuade the command line version to do anything sensible. > Under RO 3.7 it crashed on my system. Under RO4 it runs to completion, > and the output file has as many pages as the input. Sadly, they're full > of gibberish. > > > Ghostscript has handled all of the Postscript I have thrown at it so far, > > except for possibly docs using the TeX/LaTeX fonts > Have you tried the GhostScript, PSutils, PS2PDF combination (assuming pdf output is what you wanted)? There is no need for command line stuff at all. Just make sure the filer has seen all the apps, load up ps2pdf, and drag your PS file to the icon bar icon. Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:47:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116298 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:47:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948722681:11:20068:573; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:04:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120896; 24 Jan 2000 12:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00500 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:18:13 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00495 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:18:12 GMT Received: from modem-50.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.16.50] helo=beeston12) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12CiRY-0004z1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:18:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:45:19 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Modifying default document Message-ID: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, I am having some problems modifying my default document, and would be glad to have your comments. The version I have installed at present is 2.54. When I click on the icon-bar to open a new document an A4 page appears with margins defined as set by myself, but there are two features I wish to alter: one is the tabulation, the other the justification. If I click on Full justification, and then (with the cursor at top left of the page) edit the tabs to have 1 every 20 units, from 20 to 180, then save the document as default, over-riding the existing default document, I still find, after re-booting, the these features are not changed! My printed manual, copyright 1996, says in 14.2 that any of the attributes savable in stylesheets can be saved in the default document. Perhaps I have misunderstood this. What am I doing wrong? -- Robin & Barbara Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:47:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116303 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:47:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948731547:11:12331:298; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:32:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101060; 24 Jan 2000 16:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01051 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:00:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01046 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:00:54 GMT Received: from (62.188.134.138) [62.188.134.138] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Clv2-000741-00; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:00:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:55:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Message-ID: <49857785a2richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114357@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114357@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why > such layers are useful? > David Pilling Going back to this: I am sure layers will be useful! You could say that it's not up to you to find the uses, surely users will find many uses. I for one could use a non-printimg layer for annotation, e.g. the path where the original is a drawing is stored. JJM, when writing Vector, put in layers. They have been used for lots of things he never even conceived of! So - as it's relatively simple in the programming: go for it! You don't need a reason. Same way, when computers first came out, they didn't have much use! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:47:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116302 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:47:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948710996:20:26611:23; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:49:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122888; 24 Jan 2000 10:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32497 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:20:16 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32492 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:20:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27342 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:20:07 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07120 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:20:07 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: showing styles Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:19:02 -0000 Message-ID: <000101bf6654$6f92a230$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <4984d954f1peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Would it be possible to have a menu item which allowed one to get OPro to > display styles by colouring the text, different colours for different > styles? I may be missing the point, but you could just edit the styles to have a different background colour. I do this for 'poor-man's revisioning'. In a normal black-on-white document, I create a selection style called revisions which has no properties selected except grey background. I can also create a selection style called deletions with only strikethrough property. I can't think of a nice way to do it programmatically though, for two reasons. One, you'd end up adding colours to the document which aren't used in the 'real thing', and two, you wouldn't be able to cope elegantly whenever you have more than one style overlaid. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:47:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116306 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:47:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948731932:10:28474:102; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:38:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1121358; 24 Jan 2000 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01100 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:06:17 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01095 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:06:14 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop11-70.access.ch [212.161.131.198]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29114 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:06:01 +0100 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:31:27 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Modifying default document To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 24 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am having some problems modifying my default document, and would be glad to > have your comments. snip > My printed manual, copyright 1996, says in 14.2 that any of the attributes > savable in stylesheets can be saved in the default document. Perhaps I have > misunderstood this. You are probably applying effects to selected text, not changing a style with permanent attributes. The text not being saved in a OvpRo Style or the Default document, the effects are lost. What you want to do is change the "Bodytext" style: Menu -> Style -> Edit Style -> ..... Select "Format" to set the indent/margins and select "Tabs" to set the tab settings. The tab settings also allow you to drag the margins (and first line margin) which will be automatically reflected in the Format settings. (There are many other things you can change as well.) When satisfied click on OK (in the separate windows and in the main Edit Style window) and you should now have the document you wish. Of course you can set up several different styles. See Chapter 6 of the manual how to create/install different 'permanent' styles. JohnvV > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:47:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116309 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:47:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948732843:10:22317:192; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:54:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116262; 24 Jan 2000 16:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01094 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:06:14 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01089 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:06:12 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop11-70.access.ch [212.161.131.198]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29111 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:06:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:35:00 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: showing styles To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4984d954f1peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 23 Jan, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > Would it be possible to have a menu item which allowed one to get OPro to > display styles by colouring the text, different colours for different > styles? How about: Menu -> Style -> Edit Style -> Text and then setting the Foreground or Background colour? JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:48:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116314 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:48:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948714702:20:17001:27; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:51:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016751; 24 Jan 2000 11:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32736 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:34:11 GMT Received: from laguna.tiscalinet.it (laguna.tiscalinet.it [195.130.224.86]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32731 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:34:03 GMT Received: from azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it (62.10.37.215) by laguna.tiscalinet.it; 24 Jan 2000 12:33:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:54:48 GMT From: Paolo Rossi To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Buttons on smartbar Message-ID: <3373618549.prossi@azzurro.uno.tiscalinet.it> X-Organization: Focus Graphics User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is it possible to make buttons change their contents to reflects the status of the functions they activate/deactivate? (for example the button to enable/disable the spelling checker) Cheers -- Paolo Rossi -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 17:48:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116317 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 17:48:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948716203:20:18045:50; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:16:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017995; 24 Jan 2000 12:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00398 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:58:53 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00393 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:58:51 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.143] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12Ci8C-0004JM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:58:04 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:54:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:53:42 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output Message-ID: <6b59618549%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alf Chamings wrote: > Have you tried the GhostScript, PSutils, PS2PDF combination (assuming pdf > output is what you wanted)? There is no need for command line stuff at all. > Just make sure the filer has seen all the apps, load up ps2pdf, and drag your > PS file to the icon bar icon. I have most of the stuff you mention but I don't seem to have ps2pdf. Where can I get it? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 19:18:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116367 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 19:18:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948736333:10:18601:155; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:52:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119758; 24 Jan 2000 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01515 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:15:01 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01508 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:15:00 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA25835 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:14:49 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:15:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <6b59618549%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 24 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > Alf Chamings wrote: > > > Have you tried the GhostScript, PSutils, PS2PDF combination (assuming pdf > > output is what you wanted)? There is no need for command line stuff at > > all. Just make sure the filer has seen all the apps, load up ps2pdf, and > > drag your PS file to the icon bar icon. > > I have most of the stuff you mention but I don't seem to have > ps2pdf. Where can I get it? > !Ps2PDF is at http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk It all works together so smoothly, I am very impressed. The one thing I am not sure about is which PS printer driver to print to file from. There is a choice of 4 in the RISCOS 4 printers directory. Any thoughts anyone? Alf Chamings -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 19:18:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116369 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 19:18:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948738035:20:10345:30; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:20:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009966; 24 Jan 2000 18:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01678 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:59:04 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01673 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:59:03 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.180] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12Cnkj-0000Aw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:58:14 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:59:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:59:21 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <8bd3828549%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've been musing on ideas to keep David busy in his work on the next version of OvPro and two have arisen from today's work and might be worth passing on before I forget. 1 Tables. I know we talked about these earlier, but somehow for me they have moved from 'would be nice' to 'must have'. I have a set of documents with scores of tables - nothing terrible fancy, just columns of words and numbers which need setting out clearly, but I've been driven mad trying to get them to look right without expending huges amounts of time exporting and importing from other programs which themselves introduce other problems. 2 Find and replace. A number of enhancements possible here, but one is to let you continue checking from the cursor when you have 'all stories' option clicked. Unless I've missed something, it starts you back at the beginning again at the moment. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 19:19:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116372 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 19:18:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948739887:10:18465:17; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:51:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018372; 24 Jan 2000 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01802 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:22:30 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01797 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:22:28 GMT Received: (qmail 25682 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2000 18:22:17 -0000 Received: from userbm44.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (62.188.144.250) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2000 18:22:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: OVATIONP-L Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:23:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: showing styles Message-ID: <498585018cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4984d954f1peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Sun 23 Jan, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > Would it be possible to have a menu item which allowed one to get OPro to > > display styles by colouring the text, different colours for different > > styles? > How about: > Menu -> Style -> Edit Style -> Text > and then setting the Foreground or Background colour? > JohnvV I want the program to search for any text which has a style attribute and to colour it according. This way one could see which style was applied to which text. I don't want a permanent change to a style, just a way of making it visible and to see other sections that have the same/different styles. -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 19:19:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116374 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 19:19:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948740588:20:27608:17; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:03:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118811; 24 Jan 2000 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01780 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:20:31 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01774 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:20:29 GMT Received: (qmail 25165 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2000 18:20:18 -0000 Received: from userbm44.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (62.188.144.250) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2000 18:20:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:21:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: showing styles Message-ID: <498584d272peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <000101bf6654$6f92a230$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> References: <4984d954f1peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> <000101bf6654$6f92a230$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <000101bf6654$6f92a230$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > Would it be possible to have a menu item which allowed one to get OPro to > > display styles by colouring the text, different colours for different > > styles? > I may be missing the point, but you could just edit the styles to have a > different background colour. I do this for 'poor-man's revisioning'. In a > normal black-on-white document, I create a selection style called revisions > which has no properties selected except grey background. I can also create a > selection style called deletions with only strikethrough property. > I can't think of a nice way to do it programmatically though, for two > reasons. One, you'd end up adding colours to the document which aren't used > in the 'real thing', and two, you wouldn't be able to cope elegantly > whenever you have more than one style overlaid. > Cheers, > Nick > -- > Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print > http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ > mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message What I hoped for was a way to make styles visible and to be able to turn this visibility on and off. -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 20:42:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116378 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 20:42:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948742425:10:21210:25; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:33:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021302; 24 Jan 2000 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02076 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:03:51 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02071 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:03:50 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-14-80.easynet.co.uk [212.134.24.80]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 914D4DB253 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:03:32 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:43:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Importing RTF files Message-ID: <498586e424rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dropping an RTF file into the window of OP 2.56 doesn't load the file, although I'm sure it used to. Dragging it to the iconbar does load it. What am I doing wrong? The file is correctly filetyped RTF. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 20:42:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116381 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 20:42:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948745432:20:15384:26; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:23:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112062; 24 Jan 2000 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02497 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:48:14 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02492 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:48:12 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop1-43.access.ch [212.161.128.43]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08221 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:48:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:45:16 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: showing styles To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <498585018cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 24 Jan, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > In article , > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: snip > > How about: > > > Menu -> Style -> Edit Style -> Text > > > and then setting the Foreground or Background colour > I want the program to search for any text which has a style attribute and > to colour it according. This way one could see which style was applied to > which text. I don't want a permanent change to a style, just a way of > making it visible and to see other sections that have the same/different > styles. I understood. Now back to your original question. At times text has several attributes. And every single one should then have a separate colour? Bold, Italics, Superscript, Underline, etc., etc. If you apply all these at the same time, I believe the result is a mushy brown with unreadable text. I do not believe that to be the solution to what you want. A quite different problem, contrary to Styles, is finding Effects within a text. There is a roundabout way to find these (also using the Style applet). If an easier way is possible, it will certainly be implemented. And here I agree with you that using colours is the best thing. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 20:42:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116382 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 20:42:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948742951:10:09577:17; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:42:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009481; 24 Jan 2000 19:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02047 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:00:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02042 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:00:55 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.158) [62.188.144.158] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12CojC-0005Vl-00; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:00:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:02:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Borders Message-ID: <49857819d2richard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I find that on borders round pictures, they don't look good unless the picture is reduced on size to leave a white margin inside the border. So - could a 'repel' width be added to a border, so the picture is sized to fit inside this rather than the actual border? Or maybe there's a easy of doing it already? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 22:08:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116409 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 22:08:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948751221:20:11374:17; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:00:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011370; 24 Jan 2000 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03035 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:31:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03028 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:31:42 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.151) [193.149.74.151] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Cr57-0003Cz-00; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:31:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:21:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: showing styles Message-ID: <4985954f04davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000101bf6654$6f92a230$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> References: <4984d954f1peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> <000101bf6654$6f92a230$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <000101bf6654$6f92a230$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > I may be missing the point, but you could just edit the styles to have a > different background colour. I do this for 'poor-man's revisioning'. In > a normal black-on-white document, I create a selection style called > revisions which has no properties selected except grey background. I can > also create a selection style called deletions with only strikethrough > property. > I can't think of a nice way to do it programmatically though, for two > reasons. One, you'd end up adding colours to the document which aren't > used in the 'real thing', and two, you wouldn't be able to cope > elegantly whenever you have more than one style overlaid. > Cheers, > Nick I did give this some thought a while ago when I was wondering what facilities OP didn't have that other products did... The idea I had was to use two styles as described above (I suspected that OP could probably apply these automatically based on a key buffer event) and then run an applet that created a series of bookmarks and tags such that: * All new text was surrounded by an inserted text pair of bookmarks and the style removed * All deleted text was deleted and replaced by a bookmark and the text saved in a tag. * The applet could turn the style on an off at will for editing and printing. The same applet could then revert back to previous copies by doing the necessary deletions and insertions. Simple really... I never followed it through thinking very few people would want such an applet. But I just noticed a similar thread in the Icon Technology list. Who knows - someday I may even start writing it. David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 22:36:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116423 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 22:36:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948752796:10:09848:17; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:26:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118691; 24 Jan 2000 22:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03196 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:10:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03191 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:10:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Crh6-000Ar6-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:10:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:52:31 GMT Message-Id: <116386@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Modifying default document X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I click on Full justification, and then (with the cursor at top left >of the page) edit the tabs to have 1 every 20 units, from 20 to 180, then >save the document as default, over-riding the existing default document, I >still find, after re-booting, the these features are not changed! When you save as default you save a style sheet, and a style sheet only contains the master page branch of the document. So any text effects you insert in the document pages won't be saved and won't have an effect. As was said the solution is to change the bodytext style. Actually this surprised me, because on Ovation it was possible to change the effect by inserting the caret in the main frame on the master pages. You couldn't type text there, but you could change the style. Maybe there is still some sly way, like edit master pages, convert principle frame to non-auto linked, change effect, make back into auto linked. Or as we keep saying all too often edit the DDL form of the document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 22:37:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116424 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 22:36:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948752244:20:26926:18; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:17:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120027; 24 Jan 2000 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03094 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:48:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03089 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:48:46 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.209) [193.149.73.209] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12CrLc-0003mw-00; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:48:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Angela Craggs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:42:20 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Type 5 error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all I have recently being having problems loading Ovation Pro. It appears to be loading OK but then comes up with a type 5 error and does not load. I first noticed the problem when I had used Sleuth3 and tried to load Ovation Pro afterwards. It refused to load until I had turned off the computer and started again - loding OP first. I hit the same problem last night when I had HTMLEdit in use. This time I couldn't reload OP even after I had left the computer turned off for several minutes. The same type 5 error. At the third attempt I succeeded. I have not added any new applets and Sleuth3 is the only new program I have added recently. Any ideas, anyone? Angela Craggs -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ acraggs@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/acraggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 24 22:37:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116425 for opro ; Mon, 24 Jan 100 22:37:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948753309:10:25907:19; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:35:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101238; 24 Jan 2000 22:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03179 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:06:26 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03174 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:06:25 GMT Received: (qmail 24507 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2000 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from userc611.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (194.69.99.69) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2000 22:06:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:10:27 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: showing styles Message-ID: <49858ED43E%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <000101bf6654$6f92a230$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> <498584d272peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <498584d272peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <498584d272peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > > Would it be possible to have a menu item which allowed one to get OPro > > > to display styles by colouring the text, different colours for > > > different styles? > > I may be missing the point, but you could just edit the styles to have a > > different background colour. I do this for 'poor-man's revisioning'. > > [...] > > I can't think of a nice way to do it programmatically though What you need is an 'edit' layer. ;-) > What I hoped for was a way to make styles visible and to be able to turn > this visibility on and off. How about a 'styles' layer. Ahem... O:-) -- The faster the plane, the narrower the seats. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:11:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12CrhB-000Ar6-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:10:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:05:55 GMT Message-Id: <116392@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Importing RTF files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Dropping an RTF file into the window of OP 2.56 doesn't load the file, >although I'm sure it used to. Just a guess, it seems to me that this has always depended on the type of RTF file, some behave as text selections (work on both icon bar and dropped into a window), others as documents (only work on icon bar). It has always behaved like this. But I've never really looked into it to see why. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 02:11:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116432 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 02:11:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948753601:10:05827:17; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:40:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005701; 24 Jan 2000 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03215 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:11:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03198 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:10:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Crh8-000Ar6-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:10:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:58:56 GMT Message-Id: <116388@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buttons on smartbar X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it possible to make buttons change their contents to reflects the >status of the functions they activate/deactivate? (for example the >button to enable/disable the spelling checker) Not as far as I know. I've thought it would be nice though, to have text buttons that could tell you things. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 02:11:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116433 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 02:11:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948754831:20:04116:24; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:00:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004063; 24 Jan 2000 23:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03237 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:11:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03222 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:11:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12CrhE-000Ar6-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:10:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:07:48 GMT Message-Id: <116394@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I find that on borders round pictures, they don't look good unless the >picture is reduced on size to leave a white margin inside the border. >So - could a 'repel' width be added to a border, so the picture is sized >to fit inside this rather than the actual border? There is already a picture 'inset'/clipping curve, picture choices let you set the default (0mm by default). Modify picture frame lets you change the current value. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 02:11:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116436 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 02:11:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948755248:20:09950:17; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:07:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103068; 24 Jan 2000 23:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03219 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:11:07 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03203 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:11:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12CrhA-000Ar6-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:10:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:00:15 GMT Message-Id: <116390@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1 Tables. I know we talked about these earlier, but somehow ISTR that Tables are the next big thing to appear in Quark. The main problem is what to do when tables flow into irregular areas, for a wp, tables are a piece of cake, things are always square. Maybe we wait and see how Quark does it. >2 Find and replace. A number of enhancements possible here, but >one is to let you continue checking from the cursor when you >have 'all stories' option clicked. Thats a good suggestion (i.e. simple/cheap/low button count). I'll bet the current situation is pretty irritating. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 02:12:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116443 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 02:12:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948756626:20:28329:18; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:30:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028286; 24 Jan 2000 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03955 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:02:34 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03950 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:02:32 GMT Received: (qmail 22094 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2000 23:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.70.78) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2000 23:02:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:05:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 24 Jan, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Mon 24 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > > Alf Chamings wrote: > > > > > Have you tried the GhostScript, PSutils, PS2PDF combination (assuming pdf > > > output is what you wanted)? There is no need for command line stuff at > > > all. Just make sure the filer has seen all the apps, load up ps2pdf, and > > > drag your PS file to the icon bar icon. > > > > I have most of the stuff you mention but I don't seem to have > > ps2pdf. Where can I get it? > > > !Ps2PDF is at http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk > > It all works together so smoothly, I am very impressed. The one thing I am > not sure about is which PS printer driver to print to file from. There is a > choice of 4 in the RISCOS 4 printers directory. Any thoughts anyone? > > Alf Chamings > I downloaded all this stuff on Friday (Ghostscript 5.5, PSUtils, PS2PDF, GView) and as Alf says it works together well. I haven't looked at any command line bits yet, though I probably will. I tested printing a 16 page OPro document using fonts which don't have PS equivalents, the only graphic in the doc is a drawfile used as a border. The OPro file is 81K. The PS file (don't remember which driver I used - probably 2F) is 797K. PS2PDF took about 15 minutes to turn this into a 1301K PDF file (ARM610, 36Mb RAM, 1MB VRAM), which !PDF will not display. That is to say !PDF processes it, reports the correct number of pages but the only bit displayed is the graphic - no text on 16 pages and quite a while to not do so! GView reports that it can only display PS files (which it does fine) not PDF. I think GhostScript will display a PDF if I get into the command line options. Copied the PDF to the PC partition and ran Acrobat Reader 3.0 under Win 3.11. No problem displaying and printing the file in the embedded fonts. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 02:12:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116445 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 02:12:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948756899:20:01942:18; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:34:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108465; 24 Jan 2000 23:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03233 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:11:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03204 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:11:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Crh4-000Ar6-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:10:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:49:02 GMT Message-Id: <116384@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >You mean a Messagesn file? That doesn't work. Have I got it the wrong way around... you keep the fonts in the same place on disc, but the Messagesn file lets you have different names on the menus? >Having looked at the file it doesn't actually use Frutiger (it was in an >earlier version...) although it does appear in the font table if I save >the file as DDL. The only way I have managed to remove it is to load a DDL >copy of the document into OP. At this point the reference disappers. >What your seeing on screen is therefore OK.... Anybody any ideas why this >happens? Yes OPro loses count of the number of times the font is used, so it stays in the table of used fonts, although it is not actually used. (with the one get out that it may be used by something in the undo buffer which won't appear in the DDL file). Presumeably there is one particular operation where it loses count. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 14:04:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116476 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 14:04:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948771820:20:05534:17; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 03:43:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005517; 25 Jan 2000 3:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04868 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 03:28:14 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04863 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 03:28:13 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Cwe5-0006AX-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 03:27:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 03:01:21 GMT Message-Id: <116468@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: showing styles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >> What I hoped for was a way to make styles visible and to be able to turn >> this visibility on and off. >How about a 'styles' layer. Ahem... I'm keen on layers, so I'll probably do them after I finish the current folly. But lets be clear these are object layers, they can't change the contents of objects. At the moment there is red underlining for spelling errors, it would be easy enough to offer to red line styles or effects when spell errors are not being shown. The problem is if you want to display spell errors and styles and effects and whatever else all at once, I think that would look a mess. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 14:04:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116480 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 14:04:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948777736:20:05120:23; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 05:22:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005078; 25 Jan 2000 5:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05092 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:54:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA05087 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:54:20 GMT Received: from (62.188.130.212) [62.188.130.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12CxzN-0001t1-00; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:54:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:19:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <498579b963capelin@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Newframe applet In-Reply-To: <497fe9f30cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497fe9f30cdavidb@argonet.co.uk>, Mr Breakwell wrote: > Has anybody got any ideas for a new applets ? i) How about an applet that will examine the contents of the applets directory and produce a list of all applets present, if they've been disabled, and most useful, version number. This would be invaluable when surfing the applets websites to know whether a newer version is available! ii) !AllPaths : checks document for !Draw files and converts any text within them to paths - this may not quite fall within the possibilities for the script language, but tha'll just make it a bigger challenge! Cheers Simon -- Simon Jones - capelin@argonet.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 14:04:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116487 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 14:04:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948804230:10:28600:17; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:43:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028386; 25 Jan 2000 12:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06036 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:27:09 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06031 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:27:06 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-99.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.99]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA20317 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:26:40 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:00:26 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Style precedence Message-ID: <464fe08549%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi. The current system of 'first style applied is first applied' (!), then all the effects is logical and fine... but... I've recently completed a document with 60 styles. The reason for this is that different sections had slightly different 'themes' of style, and requirement WRT alignment etc. So each section had 10 or so styles for it. The base style for each section sometimes clashed with styles applied for emphasis, which was no problem so long as I remembered to apply the base style first, then all the emphasis styles. The problems came when I had to re-apply the base style to a section - here is no way of putting it 'underneath' all the emphasis styles (I sometimes change point size and aspect in emphasis, which clashes with the section's base settings). So: here's the new feature request bit: make OP apply styles in the order in which they appear in the style menu, and further enable the user to reorder this list. So. "BodyText" (can't be moved, presumably) would be at the top. I could create an 'IntroBase' (10pt Trinity, H.Scale 80%) to go underneath it, then a 'Emphasis' (9.5pt Homerton Bold H.Scale 60%, Word Context) under that. If I first apply the emphasis style to individual words, then go back and apply the IntroBase to the who section, it will be as if the 'Emphasis' was applied second, because it is lower in the list than 'IntroBase'. How impossible is this to implement? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 14:05:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116490 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 14:05:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948796177:20:08827:19; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:29:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008290; 25 Jan 2000 10:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05576 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:48:29 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05571 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:48:27 GMT Received: (qmail 16379 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2000 09:48:07 -0000 Received: from user1248.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO user1248) (193.132.93.248) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2000 09:48:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:47:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Newframe applet Message-ID: <4985d99becrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498579b963capelin@argonet.co.uk> References: <497fe9f30cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> <498579b963capelin@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <498579b963capelin@argonet.co.uk>, Simon Jones wrote: > i) How about an applet that will examine the contents of the applets > directory and produce a list of all applets present, if they've been > disabled, and most useful, version number. This would be invaluable > when surfing the applets websites to know whether a newer version is > available! This already exists (well most of it) in !Applets, which is available from the OP web site. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 14:05:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116491 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 14:05:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948796433:20:16311:30; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:33:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015694; 25 Jan 2000 10:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05561 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:46:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05556 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:46:27 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 12D2Y4-0003mD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:46:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:37:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 24 Jan, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Mon 24 Jan, Alf Chamings wrote: > GView reports that it can only display PS files (which it does fine) not PDF. > I think GhostScript will display a PDF if I get into the command line > options. GView aka GhostScript will display the file when you change the filetype to Poscript. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 15:39:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116523 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 15:39:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948813610:10:21243:20; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:20:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106548; 25 Jan 2000 15:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06393 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:03:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06388 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:03:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12D7Uq-000O1p-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:03:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:13:40 GMT Message-Id: <116499@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type 5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It appears to be >loading OK but then comes up with a type 5 error and does not load. I wonder what applets you have installed, it comes to mind that the problems with the newframe applet discussed a week or so back are likely to be sporadic. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 18:29:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116529 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 18:29:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948817998:11:02899:67; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:33:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128466; 25 Jan 2000 16:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06574 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:54:39 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06569 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:54:37 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06266 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:54:13 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:54:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Crashes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I seem to get more crashes than I used to. Mostly this is a refusal to load the application and is solved by rebooting. The increase has been since I started using RO 4 and added Zap, SparkFS and Organizer to my boot up sequence. I solved the crashes that occurred during boot up by removing Organizer from the boot up but OPro still refuses to load occasionally. The latest one gave a three letter message 'EME'. Alf Chamings -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 20:00:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116558 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 20:00:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948828566:10:03992:17; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:29:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003957; 25 Jan 2000 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06997 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:59:25 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06992 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:59:23 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.176] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12DBAQ-0002U7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:58:18 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:44:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:43:46 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <116390@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA06993 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB06997 Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >=20 >=20 > >1 Tables. I know we talked about these earlier, but somehow >=20 > ISTR that Tables are the next big thing to appear in Quark. >=20 > The main problem is what to do when tables flow into irregular areas, f= or a > wp, tables are a piece of cake, things are always square. >=20 > Maybe we wait and see how Quark does it. Oh dear. I was hoping from what you had been saying earlier that you had decided to do some work on tables. Would one approach be to have a new 'table tool' which allows you to draw a (rectangular) table frame and do table stuff within it. After all, at present a table has to be imported from another program such as Tablemate into a frame. Tables have become a major issue for us in deciding on which software to use for academic journal setting. In such jobs we don't actually need complex frames etc, so the technical setting capabilities of Techwriter start looking interesting. But the overheads of using more than one program are quite considerable and, for some reason, I have never quite managed to get my head around the structure-led approach of Techwriter. It's a brilliant concept but the text keeps doing unexpected things when I'm working on it. Two kinds of table account for most of our work. Relatively simple columns of names and figures with headings that need to be centred over columns, and numbers aligned right. We can kludge this with several frames and extensive ad hoc use of tabs but it is very messy. The second is the use of tables for aligning transcripts of spoken language, with lines below showing translations or linguistic analysis. A phrase might appear in one cell with its translation, linguistic analysis, phonetic transcription or whatever in a cell below. Our best bet at present is to use Techwriter to set out such a table and then 'save area as draw' to import it into a frame in OvPro. The trouble is that you can't=A0then reimport it to Techwriter to edit it as a table - it's a draw file by then. So if there was a way of introducing a 'table object' into OvPro I'd be happy to accept square restrictions! > >2 Find and replace. A number of enhancements possible here, but > >one is to let you continue checking from the cursor when you > >have 'all stories' option clicked. >=20 > Thats a good suggestion (i.e. simple/cheap/low button count). I'll bet = the > current situation is pretty irritating. Yep! David --=20 The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 20:00:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116559 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 20:00:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948828823:20:17330:18; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:33:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105448; 25 Jan 2000 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07068 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:18:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07063 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:18:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12DBTw-0002QM-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:18:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:33:01 GMT Message-Id: <116531@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crashes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OPro still refuses to load occasionally. The >latest one gave a three letter message 'EME' which we can look up in the Messages file - "not enough memory", presumeably not enough to load the Messages, which is why you just get the token EME. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 25 22:47:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116574 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jan 100 22:47:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948837429:10:24357:17; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:57:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126400; 25 Jan 2000 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07450 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:10:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07445 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:10:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12DDDU-000LBU-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:09:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:59:07 GMT Message-Id: <116566@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Oh dear. I was hoping from what you had been saying earlier that >you had decided to do some work on tables. Well I still might, but as you may notice, saying I'll do something and it actually being finished are likely to be separated by a long time. Even Mr. Quark saying he's working on tables and you getting them are different things. >Would one approach be to have a new 'table tool' which allows you to draw a >(rectangular) table frame and do table stuff within it. Yes thats the MS Publisher approach, the obvious approach for a DTP program. It doesn't fit in quite so well with mark up languages, but it does easily solve the problem of wrapping tables around objects. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 01:39:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116578 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 01:39:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948841883:11:09188:23; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:11:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002101; 25 Jan 2000 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07743 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:55:18 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07736 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:55:15 GMT Received: (qmail 15578 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2000 22:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.69.204) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2000 22:54:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:09:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 25 Jan, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > In on Mon 24 Jan, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Mon 24 Jan, Alf Chamings wrote: > > > GView reports that it can only display PS files (which it does fine) not PDF. > > I think GhostScript will display a PDF if I get into the command line > > options. > > GView aka GhostScript will display the file when you change the filetype > to Poscript. > > Ernst Well, so it does - mostly. It works as far as displaying the first page of 16, but doesn't acknowledge the existence of pages 2-16. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 01:39:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116577 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 01:39:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948842407:20:01212:22; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:20:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001046; 25 Jan 2000 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07683 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:44:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07678 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:44:14 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.126) [62.188.136.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12DEgX-0004OP-00; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:43:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:55:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <4985ead246colin.wood@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49840ca7b4robh@argonet.co.uk> References: <8025686D.0036BD89.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> <49840ca7b4robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49840ca7b4robh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > In article <8025686D.0036BD89.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel>, > wrote: > > > First: I have FontDir Pro, but I got it as a "cheap" upgrade with > > limited documentation. I noticed in some of the config menus stuff > > about auto scanning files, but cannot get it to work (also along these > > lines I cannot get it to load the on-line help either) > > How do I set this up? > > >From the FontDir iconbar icon choose applications. > This will open a window - click on Choices. > This opens a User Preferences window. > Click on the icon at the top right (a RISC OS 3 relocatable module icon) > and then click on Document scanning. > Tick the box that says Always scan specific filetypes and then click on > the small icon to the right of this. > This opens a window into which you put the file types of the files that > you want scanned for fonts. For example mine contains: > AFF: DrawFile > B27: OvnPro > BC5: Impdoc > D94: Artworks > Beware, as it is very fussy about the exact format. > Hope this helps. Thanks for this, but I cannot get it to work - Impression gives a series of error messages about internal errors, then error outwith Impression, including illegal font handle. I had to remove all the contents of the window containg B27 BC5 etc to get it to work again. I put B27 on one line, pressed return and put BC5 on the next line. Is this correct? And, incidentally, where can I get a list of all these file types? Cheers! -- ______________________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / Acorn SA RiscPC with RiscOS4 \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / and Dynalink 56k __________________________/ colin.wood@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 01:39:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116580 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 01:39:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948842681:20:07677:64; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:24:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100055; 25 Jan 2000 23:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07740 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:55:16 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07731 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:55:14 GMT Received: (qmail 15569 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2000 22:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.69.204) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2000 22:54:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:17:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Buttons on smartbar To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <116388@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 24 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Is it possible to make buttons change their contents to reflects the > >status of the functions they activate/deactivate? (for example the > >button to enable/disable the spelling checker) > > Not as far as I know. I've thought it would be nice though, to have > text buttons that could tell you things. > > > > David Pilling But you do something like this with the text attribute buttons in the information pallete - they change background colour when pressed or that attribute is selected some other way. Is there some way this could be used as the basis for what was requested? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 01:40:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116582 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 01:40:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948848568:20:16111:40; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 01:02:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124837; 26 Jan 2000 1:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08203 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:33:03 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08198 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:33:01 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.231] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12DGNF-00040q-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:31:53 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:12:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:12:33 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <25d4288649%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116566@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Oh dear. I was hoping from what you had been saying earlier that > >you had decided to do some work on tables. > > Well I still might, but as you may notice, saying I'll do something and it > actually being finished are likely to be separated by a long time. > No, not really. What I usually notice is that the time between you saying you will do something (sometimes even saying you won't) and it actually happening is astonishingly short! > Even Mr. Quark saying he's working on tables and you getting them are > different things. But this is one of the reasons I don't use Quark. Actually, I do have Quark Xpress, on a Mac, because we have to receive stuff sent to us on it. So Quark vs OvPro is always a direct comparison for us. > >Would one approach be to have a new 'table tool' which allows you to draw a > >(rectangular) table frame and do table stuff within it. > > Yes thats the MS Publisher approach, the obvious approach for a DTP program. > It doesn't fit in quite so well with mark up languages, but it does easily > solve the problem of wrapping tables around objects. Ah, do I sniff the scent of XML. Trouble is, I haven't actually managed to work out how XML can really cope with the kind of documents that frame-based DTP programs are intended to produce. (Though I am far being an expert). There is a huge hype around XML - but then I recall something similar when SGML was first introduced (quite a few years ago). SGML has proved a useful tool for some kinds of publishing, but its strengths seem to lie in the repurposing/database publishing sector. Pre-press work has always seemed to me to be at another end of a spectrum: requiring precision about the actual surface features and look of a page rather than its underlying logical structure. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 14:06:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116594 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 14:06:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948855454:20:05124:21; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:57:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117418; 26 Jan 2000 2:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08498 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:28:22 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08493 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:28:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12DIBT-000GS4-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:27:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:08:54 GMT Message-Id: <116592@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Ah, do I sniff the scent of XML. Trouble is, I haven't actually >managed to work out how XML can really cope with the kind of >documents that frame-based DTP programs are intended to produce. Me neither. >(Though I am far being an expert). There is a huge hype around >XML - but then I recall something similar when SGML was first Well some would say SGML begat HTML which has been a huge success. It would be interesting to know what Quark were up to in two areas. How they intend to fit tables into Quark - as objects or as styles. And their plans for XML, I referred a couple of months back to a story about 'Troika' in MacWorld. Most of their web site new stuff is to do with databases. Reflecting on it, maybe their interface to XML is simple - just save one story, maybe thats the limit of XML. One of the first reviews of Ovation said "the effort would have been better spent writing a database" - so maybe we're coming full circle. As to tables. It would be popular, obviously so useful. There's actually a spec for how to do them in OPro written by John Wallace way back. Maybe I should post it. It is of the table as an object form. I just need to get inspired. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 14:06:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116596 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 14:06:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948855637:20:12398:22; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:00:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012192; 26 Jan 2000 3:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08579 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:45:02 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08572 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:44:59 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-33.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.99]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28471 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:42:09 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:57:53 +1200 Subject: Re: Font scan?File types Message-ID: <498637f763tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4985ead246colin.wood@argonet.co.uk> References: <8025686D.0036BD89.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> <49840ca7b4robh@argonet.co.uk> <4985ead246colin.wood@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4985ead246colin.wood@argonet.co.uk>, Colin Wood wrote: > And, incidentally, where can I get a list of all these file types? CDFS::RISCOS4.$.FREESOFT.MANUALS.RISCOS.FILETYPE/ARC.FileTypes on the RiscOS4 disc -- de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 14:06:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116598 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 14:06:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948874819:20:20874:19; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:20:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128648; 26 Jan 2000 8:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09144 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:52:04 GMT Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09139 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:52:02 GMT Received: from s9302700.student.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id IAA02971 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:51:29 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:44:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Re: Buttons on smartbar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <200001252244.WAA07692@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:58:56 GMT > From:(David Pilling) > Subject: Re: Buttons on smartbar > > >Is it possible to make buttons change their contents to reflects the > >status of the functions they activate/deactivate? (for example the > >button to enable/disable the spelling checker) > > Not as far as I know. I've thought it would be nice though, to have > text buttons that could tell you things. > And is it possible to get several actions in one button, by clicking adjust or menu over it. Maarten Ottens -- O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs a design house for 2d, 3d and 4d design Website : http://www.futuretrain.com/odd http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com Phone : +31-(0)626 744 077 e-mail : info@ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 19:41:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116642 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 19:40:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948914357:10:19461:17; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:19:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019363; 26 Jan 2000 19:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10355 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:53:54 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10350 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:53:52 GMT Received: (qmail 8815 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 18:53:14 -0000 Received: from userap90.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (62.188.136.51) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 18:53:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:08:43 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <49861D7DD7%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA10351 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB10355 In article David Graddol wrote: > Our best bet at present is to use Techwriter to set out such a table an= d > then 'save area as draw' to import it into a frame in OvPro. The troubl= e is > that you can't=A0then reimport it to Techwriter to edit it as a table -= it's > a draw file by then. But you can save the TW table as a TW doc'; 'just in case'. I create all = the tables for an OPro doc in /one/ EW+ doc & do as you suggest, export as a drawfile. I found this quite handy, because I needed to change cell colou= rs, etc. --=20 Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:58:27 GMT Received: (qmail 36 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 20:57:48 -0000 Received: from userc693.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (194.69.99.151) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 20:57:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:51:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: showing styles Message-ID: <49869a42a7peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49858ED43E%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <000101bf6654$6f92a230$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> <498584d272peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> <49858ED43E%mik.towse User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49858ED43E%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > In article <498584d272peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > > > Would it be possible to have a menu item which allowed one to get OPro > > > > to display styles by colouring the text, different colours for > > > > different styles? > > > I may be missing the point, but you could just edit the styles to have a > > > different background colour. I do this for 'poor-man's revisioning'. > > > [...] > > > I can't think of a nice way to do it programmatically though > What you need is an 'edit' layer. ;-) > > > What I hoped for was a way to make styles visible and to be able to turn > > this visibility on and off. > How about a 'styles' layer. Ahem... O:-) I don't know what "styles" layer means. -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 21:34:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116664 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 21:34:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948922094:20:16296:27; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:28:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016325; 26 Jan 2000 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10702 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:58:27 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10697 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:58:26 GMT Received: (qmail 34 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 20:57:45 -0000 Received: from userc693.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (194.69.99.151) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 20:57:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: showing styles Message-ID: <49869a2b49peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <498585018cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Mon 24 Jan, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > In article , > > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > snip > > > How about: > > > > > Menu -> Style -> Edit Style -> Text > > > > > and then setting the Foreground or Background colour > > > I want the program to search for any text which has a style attribute and > > to colour it according. This way one could see which style was applied to > > which text. I don't want a permanent change to a style, just a way of > > making it visible and to see other sections that have the same/different > > styles. > I understood. Now back to your original question. At times text has > several attributes. And every single one should then have a separate > colour? Bold, Italics, Superscript, Underline, etc., etc. If you apply > all these at the same time, I believe the result is a mushy brown with > unreadable text. > I do not believe that to be the solution to what you want. > A quite different problem, contrary to Styles, is finding Effects within > a text. There is a roundabout way to find these (also using the Style > applet). If an easier way is possible, it will certainly be implemented. > And here I agree with you that using colours is the best thing. > JohnvV If one defines a style it has a name. What I would like is for all text which has that style applied to have a common colour. Style called base (or whatever) would be red (or whatever), style called indent1 would be blue etc. -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 22:11:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116667 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 22:11:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948923632:20:29287:18; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:53:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119575; 26 Jan 2000 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10859 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:22:14 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10854 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:22:13 GMT Received: (qmail 9720 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 21:21:33 -0000 Received: from userp962.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (194.69.96.199) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 21:21:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:29:45 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: showing styles Message-ID: <498692C61C%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <116468@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116468@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <116468@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >How about a 'styles' layer. Ahem... > I'm keen on layers, so I'll probably do them after I finish the current > folly. But lets be clear these are object layers, they can't change > the contents of objects. If layers are implemented it perhaps we would need 'object' layers and 'status/display' layers. IOW those that affect formating & text reflow and those that don't. IMHO it would be useful if (some?) 'display' layers were coded into OPro. > [snip] > The problem is if you want to display spell errors and styles and effects > and whatever else all at once, I think that would look a mess. But you could allow the user to select which (if any) they wish to display. -- Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms. Groucho Marx __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:58:29 GMT Received: (qmail 41 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 20:57:50 -0000 Received: from userc693.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (194.69.99.151) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 20:57:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:55:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: showing styles Message-ID: <49869aa9bepeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <116468@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <116468@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <116468@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > > >> What I hoped for was a way to make styles visible and to be able to turn > >> this visibility on and off. > >How about a 'styles' layer. Ahem... > I'm keen on layers, so I'll probably do them after I finish the current > folly. But lets be clear these are object layers, they can't change > the contents of objects. I wish I knew what layers menat in this context. > At the moment there is red underlining for spelling errors, it would be easy > enough to offer to red line styles or effects when spell errors are not > being shown. Could it show a blue line for the next style and a green one for the third style etc? > The problem is if you want to display spell errors and styles and effects > and whatever else all at once, I think that would look a mess. Ah getting to the important man here. Great. A button which says "Show styles" which would allow the different styles to be underlined and then when clicked again does not show the styles would be fine. I agree that to have all the info visible all the time would be distracting. > David Pilling -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 22:11:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116669 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 22:11:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948924017:10:19883:20; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:00:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019881; 26 Jan 2000 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10918 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:31:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10913 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:31:55 GMT Received: from (62.188.142.249) [62.188.142.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Da1z-0003ov-00; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:31:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Angela Craggs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:15:50 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Type 5 error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 25 Jan 2000 (14:13:40), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >It appears to be > >loading OK but then comes up with a type 5 error and does not load. > > I wonder what applets you have installed, it comes to mind that > the problems with the newframe applet discussed a week or so back > are likely to be sporadic. Nope. Don't have that applet. By the way I am running v2.56 on RISCOS3.7 SA if that makes any difference. Angela -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ acraggs@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/acraggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 23:11:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116681 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 23:11:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948927296:20:20192:36; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:54:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020185; 26 Jan 2000 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11474 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:40:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11461 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:40:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Db5w-000FCd-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:39:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:17:48 GMT Message-Id: <116673@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buttons on smartbar X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >And is it possible to get several actions in one button, by clicking adjust >or menu over it. I've always wanted to do that. An object oriented approach would be nice where macros have different entry points, depending on what invokes them. I can't think of a way to do that without making large inovations in the script language. However your comment has made me think of a simple way of providing this feature... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 23:11:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116680 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 23:11:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948926691:11:05197:19; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:44:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104598; 26 Jan 2000 22:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11394 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:29:30 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11389 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:29:29 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.29] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12Dav1-0003It-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:28:08 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:28:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:28:25 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49861D7DD7%mik.towse@xemik.com> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA11390 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB11394 Mik Towse wrote: > In article David Graddol wrote: > > Our best bet at present is to use Techwriter to set out such a table = and > > then 'save area as draw' to import it into a frame in OvPro. The trou= ble is > > that you can't=A0then reimport it to Techwriter to edit it as a table= - it's > > a draw file by then. > But you can save the TW table as a TW doc'; 'just in case'. I create al= l the > tables for an OPro doc in /one/ EW+ doc & do as you suggest, export as = a > drawfile. I found this quite handy, because I needed to change cell col= ours, > etc. I don't know why, but this solution only occurred to me after posting the message and mulling over the implications of David's reply. I suspect it would be the best way forward for us at the moment, and we will experiment accordingly. It will certainly be less convenient than being able to do tables in place, and we would have to train people in bot Techwriter and OvPro, but it may be useable workaround. The fact that you use Techwriter in this way does suggest that there is a need for table handling in OvPro itslef. Do you agree, or are you happy enough with using TW? David --=20 The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 23:11:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116682 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 23:11:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948928073:20:19437:46; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:07:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019316; 26 Jan 2000 23:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11459 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:40:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11454 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:40:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Db5u-000FCd-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:39:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:15:57 GMT Message-Id: <116671@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type 5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Nope. Don't have that applet. By the way I am running v2.56 on RISCOS3.7 SA if >that makes any difference. So, just disable all the applets and run OPro and see if it still crashes. How would I disable all the applets quickly? Select them all and shift drag to a temporary directory. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 23:11:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116683 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 23:11:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948927360:11:18848:28; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:56:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118900; 26 Jan 2000 22:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11480 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:40:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11472 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:40:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Db5z-000FCd-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:39:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:26:32 GMT Message-Id: <116677@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: showing styles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I wish I knew what layers menat in this context. A way of grouping a number of objects (frames, lines) so that you can move them together. See a drawing program like 'Vector' (comes with RISC OS 4). >Could it show a blue line for the next style and a green one for the third >style etc? The worry here is that you can have more than one style applied in the same place. But thats easily enough gotten around, just underline in the most significant style. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 26 23:12:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116684 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jan 100 23:11:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948928104:20:20358:17; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:08:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109554; 26 Jan 2000 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11478 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:40:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11466 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:40:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Db5y-000FCd-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:39:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:20:48 GMT Message-Id: <116675@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: showing styles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If layers are implemented it perhaps we would need 'object' layers and >'status/display' layers. IOW those that affect formating & text reflow and >those that don't. IMHO it would be useful if (some?) 'display' layers were >coded into OPro. At the moment you've got things like underline, text background colour, show spell errors, how does the concept of a layer help with these - do you want to print the background colour on top of the text? The point of a layer is that it lets you move a group of things together. So if frames had layers in them, you would be able to move all the underlines from in front of the text to behind it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 01:49:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116689 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 01:49:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948930415:20:08654:18; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:46:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008558; 26 Jan 2000 23:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11714 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:06:08 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11709 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:06:07 GMT Received: from tnt-2-92 (tnt-2-92.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.92]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D33DDDB0F3 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:05:26 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:05:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <4986a67bd9rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49861D7DD7%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Graddol wrote: > The fact that you use Techwriter in this way does suggest that > there is a need for table handling in OvPro itslef. Do you agree, > or are you happy enough with using TW? But why use Techwriter when TableMate does the same thing? It does seem like a sledgehammer to crack a nut. For simple tables in OP I use tabs and drawn lines. It's quite quick. Enter the table text without formatting, but tab it. Select block of text and set tabs using Ctrl-Tab. When table layout looks right, then use the draw tool to put the lines in the table. For more complex tables - especially ones with graphics in, then I haven't found an occasion when TableMate Designer couldn't cope. It even has the advantage of being able to update dynamically if you use the calculation functions and OLE. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 13:04:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116699 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 13:04:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948955304:10:18934:17; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:41:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018670; 27 Jan 2000 6:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12698 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 05:59:02 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12693 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 05:58:58 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.241.140]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:34:03 +1030 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:32:35 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Some notes from a keen, but relatively novice GS user of a couple of years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have these may help some new users. It is fairly easy to get some truncated files when downloading them (eg xxx/ps to xxx/p or xxx/up instead of xxx/upp. This dogged me in the early days. Fonts seem best handled by using those handled by the PS Printer. Safety may be boring, but Times and Helvetica work. Others work, but are handled as bitmaps which may or may not be good enough depending on the display device etc. File size with GhostScript as against Acrobat Distiller can be large (but sometimes smaller!) as GhostScript does not (up to v 5.50 anyway) support powerful lzw compression as I understand it. The licence being too costly for a free application. The impact of this is to make one avoid big, 24 bit colour images unless they are essential! Do not forget that one can usually fool GView into displaying pdf files by typing them to PoScript first. The quality of the resultant pdf files depends upon the quality of the PoScript file. You are not restricted to the generic PS printers supplied. Those provided by "brand name" (eg IBM) printers do/may work (I must say I have not yet tried RO4 Printers v1.62 for this yet). Try some. If, like me you mainly want grayscale output, do not prepare colour (bigger) files. I understand that the generic printers only give 300dpi. This is good enough for web display, but for quality hardcopy you may wish to use Linotronic 200 which has a resolution of 1270 by 1270 dpi. This is only grayscale, but provides much better output than the generics. Some samples (mostly 300dpi from generic printers to keep files small or to provide some colour for the web) of my output from OvPro can be found from: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/gaw/gaw99.html (A couple of these pdf files came from Acrobat Distiller v3. eg to get live web URLs) As with all things RISC OS - experiment. You can rarely do any damage if you take sensible precautions like preserving copies of files. Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 13:04:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116705 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 13:04:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948965518:20:01253:31; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:31:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000437; 27 Jan 2000 9:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13046 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:03:37 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13041 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:03:36 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.150] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12Dkoa-0001As-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:02:08 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:01:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:01:23 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4986a67bd9rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , > David Graddol wrote: > > > The fact that you use Techwriter in this way does suggest that > > there is a need for table handling in OvPro itslef. Do you agree, > > or are you happy enough with using TW? > > But why use Techwriter when TableMate does the same thing? It does seem > like a sledgehammer to crack a nut. > > For simple tables in OP I use tabs and drawn lines. It's quite quick. > Enter the table text without formatting, but tab it. Select block of text > and set tabs using Ctrl-Tab. When table layout looks right, then use the > draw tool to put the lines in the table. > > For more complex tables - especially ones with graphics in, then I > haven't found an occasion when TableMate Designer couldn't cope. It even > has the advantage of being able to update dynamically if you use the > calculation functions and OLE. I don't usually need lines and I don't need to put graphics in cells. In simple tables we do use tabs as you suggest, but it is very time-consuming, difficult to edit, requires different tab rulers for headings etc, and won't easily work where you need to wrap text over more than one line in a cell. I have Tablemate designer and believe me I would use it if it didn't seem to cause us so much grief in the actual workflow. I wonder whether this discussion shows up one of the requirements of a professional workflow: the ability to do things quickly, consistently, in a way which can be easily checked by another person and edited if need be are all crucial. In many text-based documents we may have little more than 10 minutes to lay out, check and correct a whole A4 page of material. If it contains several simple tables but they each take half-an-hour to create, check and correct, then we can't take the contract. Increasingly we are offered this kind of work. Here's an example of the kind of routine problem (which as far as I can see defeats both TW & TM). We have an ascii text with tab delimited data. Some cells contain text (perhaps too long to go on one line), some cells contain numbers. Some of the numbers are thousands and have a comma in the string (e.g. 25,261). How can I create a simple table in OvPro, with appropriate headings centered over the columns, and numbers ranged right, text ranged left? If I try importing the data into Tablemate, it treats *both* the tab and the comma as a separator. In some ways Tablemate is too powerful for what we need: it is good for one-off tables where you can afford to play around. It (like TW) is also reasonable if you are keying in the data yourself - so it is perhaps better for authors. But in my experience it doesn't work well in a design workflow such as our present one where we have over a thousand pages including statistical data to lay out quickly and accurately. For most of our requirements OvPro works brilliantly compared with the competition, but you will gather tables are causing us a headache at the moment. Any other ideas? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 14:21:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116727 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 14:21:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948981630:10:22465:21; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:00:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021800; 27 Jan 2000 14:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13632 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:38:37 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13627 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:38:35 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA07543 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:37:44 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:38:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 25 Jan, Barrie McElroy wrote: > Some notes from a keen, but relatively novice GS user of a couple of years. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for this - very useful. > > Do not forget that one can usually fool GView into displaying pdf files by > typing them to PoScript first. > This has had me stumped. After re-typing the file, how do you view it? Will GhostScr do this (if so how?) or is there a GhostView for RiscOS? Alf Chamings -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 17:16:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116731 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 17:16:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 948987695:10:12831:32; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:41:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013434; 27 Jan 2000 15:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13843 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:44:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13838 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:44:44 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Dq9K-000GnC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:43:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:14:37 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, David Graddol wrote: > For most of our requirements OvPro works brilliantly compared with the > competition, but you will gather tables are causing us a headache at the > moment. As I'm sure David G knows (and probably David P also), tables are a nightmare in whatever DTP program you use. Quark certainly is a big pile of pants for tables. The academic journals I work on use simple tabbed tables for everything (the tables program they tried to convert to was a complete disaster) so editing tables is often a big problem. I agree that support for simple rectangular tables, with wrap and align control within individual cells and over rows and columns, and configurable rules (vertical and horizontal) would be a huge boon to OP. I can also see that this is not a trivial task. One possibility would be to treat the table as a separate type of frame (so we'd have text, graphic and table), with the text within treated in the same way as graphical frames are now - no reflowing would be done for overlapping frames. This should allow the sorts of cases that David G and others need to be addressed without causing too many other problems. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 19:48:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116761 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 19:48:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949002529:10:00947:17; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:48:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120030; 27 Jan 2000 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14350 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:20:26 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14345 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:20:24 GMT Received: (qmail 20828 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 19:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.69.151) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 19:19:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:12:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <116592@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 26 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > As to tables. It would be popular, obviously so useful. There's actually > a spec for how to do them in OPro written by John Wallace way back. > Maybe I should post it. It is of the table as an object form. > I just need to get inspired. Is Opro developing into something which needs multiple developers? It already has in one respect with the many applets which are not written by David P. The paragraph above hints that David might appreciate someone else picking up the programming of tables, probably as an applet or other extension to the program. I think David has been very open to other people's development of applets and then including many on his OPro website. This will surely prevent Opro becoming bloated as so many functions are provided as optional extras, but nowhere near as bad as Quark which charges a vertical pair of limbs for the basic product and probably the rest of the body for Xtensions. As a non-programmer (even of macros) - Keep up the good work on an excellent product all of you. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 21:13:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116764 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 21:13:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949003958:20:07242:26; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:12:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007141; 27 Jan 2000 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14417 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:44:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14412 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:44:14 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Dup9-000Feq-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:43:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:43:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: border vs line tool To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <115919@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David / All Open new document. With the frame tool, draw two similar boxes (grid helps, but is not germane to the issue). Give one a plain border 1mm wide (or 0.5, or whatever). Give the other the same effect by means of the line tool. On my system, they look (and print) very different. The line tool pooduces a fairly satisfactory result, provided you don't look too closely at the corners. But the border is an odd-looking pair of thin lines with little squares in each corner. Is it just me? (I have Version 2.56 and RO4) Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 21:14:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116771 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 21:14:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949006917:10:26847:33; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:01:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112790; 27 Jan 2000 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14719 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:46:41 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14714 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:46:39 GMT Received: (qmail 30328 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 20:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.65.87) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 20:45:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:04:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA14715 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB14719 In on Thu 27 Jan, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Tue 25 Jan, Barrie McElroy wrote: > >=20 > > Do not forget that one can usually fool GView into displaying pdf fil= es by > > typing them to PoScript first. > >=20 > This has had me stumped. After re-typing the file, how do you view it? = Will > GhostScr do this (if so how?) or is there a GhostView for RiscOS? >=20 GView, is =A9 Martin W=FCrthner, 1997, 1998 and is FREEWARE. Martin hasn't put his web address in the help file, but has included his e-mail: wuerthne@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de His page is linked from the GhostScript site. As with normal PS files, double click the file once Ghostscript and GView have been "seen" by the filer, or drag to the Gview icon on the icon bar. Would you believe - I only downloaded all the Ghostscript stuff last Frid= ay and now I cannot find urls. Anthony --=20 ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 22:50:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116782 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 22:50:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949011279:11:16615:22; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:14:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116557; 27 Jan 2000 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15071 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:46:16 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15065 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:46:14 GMT Received: (qmail 15813 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 21:45:21 -0000 Received: from userk658.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (193.149.70.234) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 21:45:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Carter To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:22:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output Message-ID: <498720f90cfruit@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: [snip] > Would you believe - I only downloaded all the Ghostscript stuff last > Friday and now I cannot find urls. ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript/GSapp510.zip ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript/GSsup510.zip ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript/GSfnt510.zip ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript/GSoth510.zip PSUtils at ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/PSUtils16.zip AFAIK Andy -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 22:50:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116783 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 22:50:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949009600:20:15294:52; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:46:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104565; 27 Jan 2000 21:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14902 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:29:56 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA14895 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:29:52 GMT Received: (qmail 14894 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 21:28:59 -0000 Received: from usern275.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (193.149.84.54) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 21:28:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:54:51 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <498718E85A%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article David Graddol wrote: > [snip] > The fact that you use Techwriter in this way does suggest that there is a > need for table handling in OvPro itslef. Do you agree, or are you happy > enough with using TW? I'd rather OPro did the tables. I moved from ImpPub last year & still use it occasionally to print out forms which were created as tables. If OPro could do tables (aside from TableMate), I would convert the forms. I have no complaints about moving to OPro, but it would be nice to dispense with ImpPub altogether. -- A lie that can be passed off as truth becomes truth __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:29:49 GMT Received: (qmail 14873 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 21:28:56 -0000 Received: from usern275.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (193.149.84.54) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 21:28:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:43:41 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: showing styles Message-ID: <498717E2E4%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <116675@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116675@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <116675@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >If layers are implemented it perhaps we would need 'object' layers and > >'status/display' layers. IOW those that affect formating & text reflow and > >those that don't. IMHO it would be useful if (some?) 'display' layers were > >coded into OPro. > At the moment you've got things like underline, text background colour, > show spell errors, how does the concept of a layer help with these - > do you want to print the background colour on top of the text? I suppose that's possible, but not what I had in mind. I was thinking of an 'aid-to-editing' layer(s), which would be a visible layer but not part of the doc' structure. > The point of a layer is that it lets you move a group of things together. That's one possibility, but they could allow you to 'turn on/off' a set of related display options. > So if frames had layers in them, you would be able to move all the > underlines from in front of the text to behind it. But as someone has said already, it's surprising what use the end-users would put layers given the chance. -- Life would be infinitely happier if we could only be born at the age of 80 and gradually approach 18. Mark Twain __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:29:50 GMT Received: (qmail 14886 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 21:28:57 -0000 Received: from usern275.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (193.149.84.54) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 21:28:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:49:52 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <498718738C%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <49861D7DD7%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4986a67bd9rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4986a67bd9rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4986a67bd9rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > David Graddol wrote: > > The fact that you use Techwriter in this way does suggest that > > there is a need for table handling in OvPro itslef. Do you agree, > > or are you happy enough with using TW? > But why use Techwriter when TableMate does the same thing? It does seem > like a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Because TableMate wasn't up to the job. Besides if you don't have any nutcrackers to hand, but you have a hammer, you use the hammer. > For simple tables in OP I use tabs and drawn lines. It's quite quick. > Enter the table text without formatting, but tab it. Select block of text > and set tabs using Ctrl-Tab. When table layout looks right, then use the > draw tool to put the lines in the table. Do the lines move with the text on reflow? > For more complex tables - especially ones with graphics in, then I > haven't found an occasion when TableMate Designer couldn't cope. It even > has the advantage of being able to update dynamically if you use the > calculation functions and OLE. That's fine if you have it, but having recently spent my money on OPro & on EW/TW way back when as when, I ain't spending any more money just to do tables. -- Quia Costodiet Ipsos Custodes. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:17:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12DwGt-000Nmw-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:16:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:49:27 GMT Message-Id: <116762@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is Opro developing into something which needs multiple developers? Ah it needs a tech support department, some sales staff, etc. etc. but there's no money or users to pay for it all. I am grateful to all those who have contributed applets etc. When I get a big IPO I'll give you all some shares. John Wallace once tried to write a table applet, using repeated text frames, and it was no good really. Doing a decent job of tables means tinkering with the core of the program. Presumeably one day OP may go open source, but I fear that wouldn't work in the current RISC OS world either. I suppose the one thing to be said for doing tables in OPro is that you can then use the editing tools you are used to, and the full power of the program on them and their contents. The holy grail of programmers is 'component ware' lots of little blocks you can build a program from. Users though would just like one 200Mb behemoth that did the lot. Tables would be great. However I've not been making very rapid progress since Xmas so maybe some time off. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 23:31:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116794 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jan 100 23:31:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949015399:20:06787:21; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:23:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118439; 27 Jan 2000 23:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15637 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:08:07 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15632 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:08:06 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip28 [129.69.189.28]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id AAA19049 for Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:53:04 +0100 Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output Message-ID: <4987293953sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB15637 In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: [snip] > GView, is =A9 Martin W=FCrthner, 1997, 1998 and is FREEWARE. Martin > hasn't put his web address in the help file, but has included his > e-mail: wuerthne@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de His page is > linked from the GhostScript site. Martin's new email address is (IIRC) wuerthne@droste.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de I don't know whether the trick address still works. Mine is expiring as well, but droste works for me, too. Greetings, Stefan. --=20 Stefan Bellon * * 3 quickest ways to spread news? Telephone, Television, Tellawoman. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 13:45:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116818 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 13:45:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949046431:20:03026:19; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:00:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103010; 28 Jan 2000 8:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16426 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:45:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16421 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:45:18 GMT Received: from (62.188.131.143) [62.188.131.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12E64p-0005Fp-00; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:44:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <498710c7c9robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4986a67bd9rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Graddol wrote: > In some ways Tablemate is too powerful for what we need: it is > good for one-off tables where you can afford to play around. It > (like TW) is also reasonable if you are keying in the data > yourself - so it is perhaps better for authors. But in my > experience it doesn't work well in a design workflow such as > our present one where we have over a thousand pages including > statistical data to lay out quickly and accurately. > For most of our requirements OvPro works brilliantly compared > with the competition, but you will gather tables are causing > us a headache at the moment. > Any other ideas? > David How about using a spreadsheet like Eureka to create the tables? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 13:45:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116821 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 13:45:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949047860:11:27790:18; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:24:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015003; 28 Jan 2000 8:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16488 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:57:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16483 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:57:29 GMT Received: from (62.188.145.189) [62.188.145.189] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12E6Ga-0005V2-00; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:56:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:06:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <49872a7394davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498718E85A%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <498718E85A%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <498718E85A%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > I'd rather OPro did the tables. I moved from ImpPub last year & still > use it occasionally to print out forms which were created as tables. If > OPro could do tables (aside from TableMate), I would convert the forms. > I have no complaints about moving to OPro, but it would be nice to > dispense with ImpPub altogether. Surely the whole point is that ImpPub doesn't do tables - it provides the capability to have rules and rule-offs as part of a style. This provides a way of creating only the most basic of tables, doing any more than this in Impression is a bodge. The Easiwriter/MS Word type table is a far more sophisticated beast that understands where it is on a page (so that it can have a header line that is repeated at page breaks), provides the same level of formating (such as justification) at the cell level as document level and can copy values from one table cell to another. Without these type of facilities you might as well draw frames to complete the task... The problem with importing a TSV file is annoying - maybe a TSV to SID or TSV to CSV convertor is required here? TSV->CSV is the easiest. This would enable an easy import into tablemate. He thinks again - maybe HTML is best as tablemate understands at least some of the formatting so the file can start to contain the basic header centred etc This supports one of the strengths of RISC OS - the small perfectly formed support program. I like the fact that one program can focus on table generation and be used by all the others. David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 13:45:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116824 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 13:45:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949053420:10:07964:17; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:57:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109684; 28 Jan 2000 9:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16824 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:36:37 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16819 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:36:35 GMT Received: (qmail 17303 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2000 09:35:35 -0000 Received: from useras32.uk.uudial.com (HELO useras32) (62.188.137.36) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 09:35:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:33:58 GMT From: Steve Harratt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Button Bar Sprites Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello All I am sure that this question has been asked in the past, but I cannot find anything in relation to it. Basically I have just put a new aplet into OP 2.56, which as far as I can see from the use I actually give it works Ok. However the sprite does not show in the Macros window or on the toolbar at the top of my OP page. There is one in the applet file. I have found other applets that do not seem to get there icons displayed. Can anyone suggest what might be wrong, and what if anything can be done to overcome this problem. Thanks in advance. Cheers Steve -- What ever happened to the man in the moon? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 13:45:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116826 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 13:45:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949055388:10:10403:18; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:29:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124380; 28 Jan 2000 10:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16938 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:02:21 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16932 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:02:20 GMT Received: from modem-120.cisapride.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.84.248] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12E8DQ-0006LM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:01:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:59:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Allen Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Barry Allen, Manchester. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 27 Jan, John Pettigrew wrote: > I agree that support for simple rectangular tables, with wrap and align > control within individual cells and over rows and columns, and configurable > rules (vertical and horizontal) would be a huge boon to OP. I can also see > that this is not a trivial task. I don't know whether this is relevant here but as a stop gap Fireworkz Pro can do all or most of this. -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.evanallen.freeserve.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e v a n a l l e n . f r e e s e r v e . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 13:45:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116830 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 13:45:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949060896:10:02429:17; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:01:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115135; 28 Jan 2000 12:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17267 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:46:52 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17262 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:46:51 GMT Received: from (62.188.132.90) [62.188.132.90] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12E9qY-0004Wd-00; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:45:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Peter Dalziel) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:44:35 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: V1.56 Artworks files Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anyone remember the fix for the images on the V1.56 Artworks CD that will not load into Artworks. This is needed as I have a project that needs a few of these files. Thanks in advance. Pete. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ peterdl@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 13:45:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116833 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 13:45:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949061437:20:28023:62; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:10:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110748; 28 Jan 2000 12:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17245 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:42:56 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17240 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:42:55 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.166.206]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA2FF2 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:41:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:33:57 +0100 Subject: Type=3 with spellchecking Message-ID: <49876ee2afdelink@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Recently I recompiled a large (Dutch) dictionary (256000 words), but now OvationPro refuses to spellcheck, giving a fatal Type=3 error. What can have gone wrong? (The dictionary can still be loaded and edited. Nothing wrong with it, as far as I can see.) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 14:52:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116847 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 14:52:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949069042:11:14956:28; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:17:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024098; 28 Jan 2000 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17681 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:48:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17676 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:48:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12EBkA-0005so-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:47:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 03:05:48 GMT Message-Id: <116811@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: border vs line tool X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Give one a plain border 1mm wide (or 0.5, or whatever). >Give the other the same effect by means of the line tool. >But the border is an odd-looking pair of thin lines with little >squares in each corner. That sounds very much like a Draw file border, and if you increase the width, which one it is should become apparent. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 15:31:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116850 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 15:31:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949072327:10:26361:18; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:12:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101823; 28 Jan 2000 15:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17878 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:56:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17873 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:56:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ECng-0007WE-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:55:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:32:55 GMT Message-Id: <116844@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type=3 with spellchecking X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Recently I recompiled a large (Dutch) dictionary (256000 words), but now >OvationPro refuses to spellcheck, giving a fatal Type=3 error. >What can have gone wrong? Almost certainly the dictionary is now corrupt. As I've commented recently there is a bug in the spell code, which will corrupt dictionaries if words are added out of order. I believe I've fixed this, and shortly the fix will trickle through. At some time in the near future, I'll post new upgrades for Spell, CrossStar and WordSquare on my web site. The schedule for OPro 2.57 is something like 2 weeks away. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 16:20:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116853 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 16:20:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949073869:10:09209:41; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:37:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008824; 28 Jan 2000 15:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17983 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:16:38 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA17978 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:16:37 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.18) [193.149.69.18] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12ED7W-0003JH-00; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:15:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:26:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Unexpected data save packet Message-ID: <49877ead37richard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Since changing to RO4, O-Pro's giving an error when printing: 'unexpected data save packet' Mowever - it prints OK. The setup.... Networked computers. Error is given on the Client which is running Calligraph's !EcoPrint, dumping the file to the master, from whence it is printed. I've got RO4 installed on the client only, Server is still 3.7 (with RO4 software update, as it appears to have a timing problem). Any ideas? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 16:20:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116854 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 16:20:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949073884:20:06581:41; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:38:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006878; 28 Jan 2000 15:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17872 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:56:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17866 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:56:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12ECne-0007WE-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:55:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:32:48 GMT Message-Id: <116842@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button Bar Sprites X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However the sprite does not show in the Macros window or on the toolbar >at the top of my OP page. There is one in the applet file. Does the applet actually define a macro - if one does not show up in the macros window then probly not? Give us an example of an applet that does this? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 19:21:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116869 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 19:21:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949086873:10:00902:19; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:14:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001605; 28 Jan 2000 19:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18893 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:43:44 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18888 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:43:42 GMT Received: (qmail 22980 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2000 18:42:37 -0000 Received: from userl231.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (193.149.74.44) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 18:42:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:43:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: showing styles Message-ID: <498796377bpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <116677@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <116677@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <116677@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I wish I knew what layers menat in this context. > A way of grouping a number of objects (frames, lines) so that you > can move them together. See a drawing program like 'Vector' > (comes with RISC OS 4). Right. I see. > >Could it show a blue line for the next style and a green one for the third > >style etc? > The worry here is that you can have more than one style applied in the > same place. But thats easily enough gotten around, just underline in the > most significant style. Yes that seems useful. > David Pilling -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 19:21:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116868 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 19:21:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949081625:20:16482:18; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:47:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107982; 28 Jan 2000 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18639 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:29:08 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18634 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:29:07 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA16388 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:28:02 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:28:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA18635 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB18639 On Thu 27 Jan, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Thu 27 Jan, Alf Chamings wrote: > > On Tue 25 Jan, Barrie McElroy wrote: > > >=20 > > > Do not forget that one can usually fool GView into displaying pdf f= iles by > > > typing them to PoScript first. > > >=20 > > This has had me stumped. After re-typing the file, how do you view it= ? Will > > GhostScr do this (if so how?) or is there a GhostView for RiscOS? > >=20 >=20 > GView, is =A9 Martin W=FCrthner, 1997, 1998 and is FREEWARE. Martin > hasn't put his web address in the help file, but has included his e-mai= l: > wuerthne@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de His page is linked from the > GhostScript site. >=20 > As with normal PS files, double click the file once Ghostscript and GVi= ew > have been "seen" by the filer, or drag to the Gview icon on the icon ba= r. >=20 > Would you believe - I only downloaded all the Ghostscript stuff last Fr= iday > and now I cannot find urls. >=20 > Anthony >=20 Ah got it now. If anyone else is still interested, Gview is at http://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/public/Mirrors/micros.hensa.ac.uk/local/risco= s/postscript/ Alf --=20 Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 20:58:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116879 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 20:58:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949090904:20:02827:31; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:21:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115062; 28 Jan 2000 20:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19111 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:03:59 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19106 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:03:53 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.216] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12EHam-0007Tk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:02:04 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:45:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:44:49 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Tab Rulers Message-ID: <27d39b8749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Here's another item for the wish list. When you bring up a tab ruler (eg when setting a style or via Ctrl-Tab) the tab ruler appears over the text selected or to which the styles applies. A useful feature but it has one drawback - the ruler often obscures the line of text you are trying to set. One idea proposed by someone who has just spent the afternoon setting tabs on tables is that you should be able to grab this tab ruler and move it up or down so that you can align it against text at will. Does this make sense? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 28 22:35:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116929 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jan 100 22:35:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949095833:10:22774:18; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:43:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021691; 28 Jan 2000 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19323 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:07:07 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19318 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:07:06 GMT Received: from modem-75.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.6.75] helo=beeston12) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12EIae-0002rJ-00; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:06:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:53:49 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab Rulers Message-ID: <6c24a28749%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <27d39b8749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <27d39b8749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> David Graddol wrote: > Here's another item for the wish list. When you bring up a tab > ruler (eg when setting a style or via Ctrl-Tab) the tab ruler > appears over the text selected or to which the styles applies. A > useful feature but it has one drawback - the ruler often obscures > the line of text you are trying to set. One idea proposed by > someone who has just spent the afternoon setting tabs on tables > is that you should be able to grab this tab ruler and move it up > or down so that you can align it against text at will. > Does this make sense? I think David Graddol's idea sounds good, but could I take this opportunity to return to my earlier bind about the tabs display. I think it would be really useful if the tab ruler were to show each of the EXISTING tabs on it when the display opens. This is the sort of operation I was used to when using WordPerfect, and I found it less confusing. -- Robin & Barbara Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 29 01:50:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116963 for opro ; Sat, 29 Jan 100 01:50:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949099608:11:26805:19; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:46:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027785; 28 Jan 2000 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19532 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:17:33 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19527 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:17:31 GMT Received: (qmail 2720 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2000 21:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.68.82) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 21:56:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:25:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <498720f90cfruit@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 27 Jan, Andy Carter wrote: > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Would you believe - I only downloaded all the Ghostscript stuff last > > Friday and now I cannot find urls. > > > ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript/GSapp510.zip > ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript/GSsup510.zip > ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript/GSfnt510.zip > ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript/GSoth510.zip > > PSUtils at > ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/PSUtils16.zip > > AFAIK > > Andy > Thanks for this list - I must file it properly this time. GSapp and GSsup are both at 550 now (510 still available on the site), still use GSfnt510 and GSoth510 Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 29 13:48:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA116992 for opro ; Sat, 29 Jan 100 13:48:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949137543:10:01454:17; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:19:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001398; 29 Jan 2000 9:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20734 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:04:01 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20729 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:03:59 GMT Received: from [195.102.204.101] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12ETlb-0005Sy-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:02:03 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 08:53:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 08:53:40 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab Rulers Message-ID: <32ce48749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6c24a28749%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Robin Phillips wrote: > In message <27d39b8749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> > David Graddol wrote: > > Here's another item for the wish list. When you bring up a tab > > ruler (eg when setting a style or via Ctrl-Tab) the tab ruler > > appears over the text selected or to which the styles applies. A > > useful feature but it has one drawback - the ruler often obscures > > the line of text you are trying to set. One idea proposed by > > someone who has just spent the afternoon setting tabs on tables > > is that you should be able to grab this tab ruler and move it up > > or down so that you can align it against text at will. > > > Does this make sense? > > I think David Graddol's idea sounds good, but could I take this opportunity > to return to my earlier bind about the tabs display. I think it would be > really useful if the tab ruler were to show each of the EXISTING tabs on it > when the display opens. This is the sort of operation I was used to when > using WordPerfect, and I found it less confusing. > Doesn't it already? If no ruler is defined, then default tab stops are applied and these don't show up when you bring up the ruler. But once you have defined a ruler, surely all the existing tabs *do* show. I suspect that there is a bit of a problem where tabs have been applied over an area of text and then the tab ruler is viewed with a fractionally different area selected. I have sometimes wondered whether it would be useful to have tab rulers as named entities, separate from styles. You could then attach a named ruler to a style and so use some kinds of alignment consistently across styles. Presumeably you could then also apply a named ruler locally. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 29 13:48:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117010 for opro ; Sat, 29 Jan 100 13:48:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949142793:10:05253:18; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:46:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004708; 29 Jan 2000 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20981 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:19:21 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20976 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:19:19 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12EUxD-000ISG-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:18:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:12:01 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Tab Rulers References: <6c24a28749%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <32ce48749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <32ce48749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <32ce48749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol writes > >I have sometimes wondered whether it would be useful to have tab >rulers as named entities, separate from styles. You could then >attach a named ruler to a style and so use some kinds of >alignment consistently across styles. Presumeably you could >then also apply a named ruler locally. > You can achieve this by defining a style with only ruler settings, and apply that over any other style. Well, that's I do. Something I *do* like about your suggestion it that it gives scope for a 'ruler menu', which could display all the presently existing rulers, and you just click on one to select it. So perhaps there's a cause to have separate identify 'ruler styles' after all. Whilst writing, David P., for the wish-list, I would like to see the object-oriented approach to styles enhanced a bit. Would it be possible to have each style contain an optional 'base style' flag, which when set would cause all previously selected styles to be dropped when the base style is selected. Then, I'd like each style to have its own sub-style list, so that when a style is selected, the selection ripples through to select all the sub-styles. This would make for a much more efficient re- use of styles, and the ability to change an element (such as a ruler) of many base-styles, simply by changing a single sub-style. Another request would be to have the default Duplicate Object offsets either match the grid spacing; or be saveable. I hate duplicating an object, and then having to align it to the grid, which usually distorts it. For spell-checking: Would it be possible to (say) right-click on an underlined word (overriding the normal functionality) to bring up the spellcheck window, and allowing the correction; but keeping the caret at the current text position? This would save placing the caret on the word, hitting ctrl-w, and then returning to where you were. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 29 16:26:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117042 for opro ; Sat, 29 Jan 100 16:26:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949160747:10:01826:30; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:45:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001784; 29 Jan 2000 15:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21537 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:16:43 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21532 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:16:41 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12EZav-000Nmd-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:15:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:59:04 GMT Message-Id: <117031@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab Rulers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Doesn't it already? If no ruler is defined, then default tab >stops are applied and these don't show up when you bring up the >ruler. But once you have defined a ruler, surely all the existing >tabs *do* show. No they don't, there are (only and always) default tab stops beyond the last tab you have set. These tabs never appear on rulers. >I have sometimes wondered whether it would be useful to have tab >rulers as named entities, separate from styles. That might be a good idea. To an extent you could work that way by always defining tabs using a style name and never using that style name for anything other effect besides tabs. >Whilst writing, David P., for the wish-list, I would like to see the >object-oriented approach to styles enhanced a bit. I've thought hard about styles in recent weeks. As I've said before I would like to allow styles to have sub styles for things like drop caps. My concern in all this is that the current system is complex and poorly understood, extensions are not likely to improve the situation. For the immediate future I have chickened out of doing a vast scheme of sub styles, however all being well, you should soon be in possesion of a version with one sub style, and we'll see how that plays. >Another request would be to have the default Duplicate Object offsets >either match the grid spacing; or be saveable. I hate duplicating an >object, and then having to align it to the grid, which usually distorts >it. There's a function duplicateselection() which gives *some* control over parameters. (something like if called with zero copies, it changes the X+Y shifts). I was interested to read that one of the latest greatest things in Quark is a super duplicate feature that lets you specify scaling/rotation. Easy to do, but I'm not sure I see the point. But yes allowing these parameters to be set/saved would be easy, and they are often not what you want them to be. >For spell-checking: Would it be possible to (say) right-click on an >underlined word (overriding the normal functionality) to bring up the Possible... depends if you're a hands on the keyboard person. Ah I see this would let you correct spelling with just the mouse, previous tweeking was aimed at those who wanted to correct with just the keyboard. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 29 16:38:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117045 for opro ; Sat, 29 Jan 100 16:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949163530:10:06264:18; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:32:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111687; 29 Jan 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21778 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:16:34 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21773 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:16:32 GMT Received: (qmail 600 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2000 16:15:16 -0000 Received: from userae91.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.131.233) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2000 16:15:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:08:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <49880bd8d9dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4986a67bd9rayd@argonet.co.uk> <498710c7c9robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498710c7c9robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <498710c7c9robh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > In article , > David Graddol wrote: > > > In some ways Tablemate is too powerful for what we need: it is > > good for one-off tables where you can afford to play around. It > > (like TW) is also reasonable if you are keying in the data > > yourself - so it is perhaps better for authors. But in my > > experience it doesn't work well in a design workflow such as > > our present one where we have over a thousand pages including > > statistical data to lay out quickly and accurately. > > For most of our requirements OvPro works brilliantly compared > > with the competition, but you will gather tables are causing > > us a headache at the moment. > > Any other ideas? > > David > How about using a spreadsheet like Eureka to create the tables? >Rob Hemmings That's what I do... Create a table in Eureka, fill in the required data. Hilight the table. Tick "Limit to selection" in the Save window. Save as "ImpOLE" type file. Drop this into an Ov Pro frame... size... do whatever... If I need to update the data I hilight the Table frame. Do CTRL-Double click, this will OLE the table back into Eureka (assuming its been seen by the filer). Make any data changes. F3 [Return] the file gets returned to the OVPro document from whence it came. Bobs yer ... Nb: Cell borders, colours and formulas etc. all transfer both ways. Cheers Dave S Ps: While I find this is an excellent and easy way to construct and maintain tables in OvPro...The OLE process can become a bit cranky. I'll not bother to write all the details here, but there is a quite simple way to make it behave if it does get lost. If anyone needs additional info... post here and I'll reply soonest. You can of course Email me if you wish. Dave -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:13:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117050 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:13:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949164794:11:16838:17; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:53:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116537; 29 Jan 2000 16:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21910 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:39:36 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21905 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:39:34 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.3.179]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:37:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:21:45 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output Message-ID: <4986EF6D00%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Alf Chamings wrote: > On Sun 23 Jan, Chris Manning wrote: >> I've not tried the [!Ps2PDF] application, for the simple reason that >> I've never managed to persuade the command line version to do anything >> sensible. > Have you tried the GhostScript, PSutils, PS2PDF combination I thought that's what we were discussing, or at least the GhostScript and ps2pdf parts of it (there's no mention of 'pdf' in the version of !PSUtils that I have here). It's certainly what I was discussing. > There is no need for command line stuff at all. But it *is* "command line stuff": ps2pdf is an alias which runs .bin.ps2pdf. > Just make sure the filer has seen all the apps, load up ps2pdf, If you mean !Ps2PDF (and I assume you do), the point I was making was that I've not tried it because I (mis?)understand that it's simply a front-end for the "command line stuff", and that doesn't work (on my system). Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:13:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117054 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:13:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949165910:20:01521:20; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:11:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101843; 29 Jan 2000 17:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21944 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:40:37 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21939 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:40:35 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.3.179]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:38:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:38:40 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <4986E5FCE3%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4985139302davidb@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4985139302davidb@argonet.co.uk> Mr Breakwell wrote: > Having looked at the file it doesn't actually use Frutiger (it was in an > earlier version...) It was probably with the earlier version that I first encountered problems. A quick check shows that I installed the Frutiger clone (in an attempt to display that document) last October. > The only way I have managed to remove it is to load a DDL copy > of the document into OP. At this point the reference disappers. And you'll then find that the only fonts defined are FONT_29e={font "Trinity.Medium.Italic"} FONT_6b44={font "Homerton.Bold"} FONT_8f3b={font "Trinity.Medium"} FONT_948e={font "Trinity.Bold"} FONT_9d7f={font "Corpus.Medium"} What puzzles me is that if I change, say, Trinity.Bold to Frutiger.Black (with Zap), then reload that DDL file into OPro, it's magically reverted to Trinity.Bold! Before loading into OPro - Search string: (Trinity|Frutiger) Line Match 24 FONT_29e={font "Trinity.Medium.Italic"} 26 FONT_8f3b={font "Trinity.Medium"} 27 FONT_948e={font "Frutiger.Black"} After loading, and saving as DDL again - Search string: (Trinity|Frutiger) Line Match 24 FONT_29e={font "Trinity.Medium.Italic"} 26 FONT_8f3b={font "Trinity.Medium"} 27 FONT_948e={font "Trinity.Bold"} ??? Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:13:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117056 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:13:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949166671:20:01470:21; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:24:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000674; 29 Jan 2000 17:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21893 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:39:18 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21886 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:39:07 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.3.179]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:37:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:04:12 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <4986E85345%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116384@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <116384@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >> You mean a Messagesn file? That doesn't work. > Have I got it the wrong way around... Well, it doesn't work as I think you said it works... ;-) Manual is the IDXPro manual (an OvnPro file), DDLFile is an OvPDDL file. My Frutiger clone is actually called Fruition (how convenient that they are both eight characters), and here's the relevant line from my Messages1 file - Font_Fruition.Black:Frutiger.Black As the author of the manual said, it doesn't really use Frutiger now, it just pretends to in order to cause confusion... This is what I did Load Manual (Temporary substitution). Save DDLFile. Load DDLFile. Save DDLFile2. This loses the references to Frutiger.Black in the distributed file. Load DDLFile2. Change some randomly selected Trinity.Bold text to Frutiger.Black. Save Manual3. Load Manual3 into Zap and change all (one!) occurrences of Fruition.Black (that's what OPro saves - the 'real' name rather than the 'local' name) to Frutiger.Black. Save Manual4. Load Manual4, choosing Temporary substitution. Frutiger.Black is replaced by Trinity.Medium. :-( Maybe you didn't say what I thought you said... Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:13:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117059 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:13:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949187013:10:14283:24; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:03:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014063; 29 Jan 2000 23:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23168 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:36:24 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23163 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:36:22 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-123.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.123]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA28610 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:35:00 GMT Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:31:47 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <4274298849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49880bd8d9dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Regarding using Eureka - I've found it to be a superb spreadsheet, but an awkward layout tool. One of the main problems is its lack of row/column spanning tools. It also won't allow different widths in the same column, as I understand things like Pipedrem do. The lack of development here is a real shame. If someone could produce a spreadsheet with some of these extra layout facilities it would make an excellent OLE partner to OvationPro - although, frmaes spanning more than one page would be useful. ;-) Brian, -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:14:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117070 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:14:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949177127:20:22057:25; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:18:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023011; 29 Jan 2000 20:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22555 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:50:07 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22550 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:50:05 GMT Received: (qmail 8253 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2000 19:48:46 -0000 Received: from userk634.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (193.149.70.210) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2000 19:48:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:23:02 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <498802335B%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <49872a7394davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49872a7394davidb@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49872a7394davidb@argonet.co.uk> Mr Breakwell wrote: > Surely the whole point is that ImpPub doesn't do tables - it provides the > capability to have rules and rule-offs as part of a style. [...] A fair point, but this is adequate for 90% of my 'table' requirements. So would something like this be fairly easy to add to OPro, rather than 'full-blown' tables? Perhaps an applet could do it. Maybe it's time I took a look at applet programming... -- The chance of forgetting something is directly proportional to... to... em... __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:46:48 GMT Received: from modem-9.hydrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.0.9] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12EekG-00029y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:45:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:31:30 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing & Delirium Message-ID: X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I have recently (this limits it to RPC/R04/OvProV12.56/PrintersV1.62) noticed that if the delirium screen saver kicks in during the printing process it really messes up. Recorded effects are things like images being all black and text gets the wrong alignment/size/weight Has anyone else noticed this? Is there a fix? (other than turning it off) Thanks, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>"How are things?" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:14:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117075 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:14:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949181781:20:23406:17; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:36:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108074; 29 Jan 2000 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22874 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:22:52 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22869 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:22:50 GMT Received: (qmail 15353 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2000 21:21:31 -0000 Received: from userl313.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.74.126) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2000 21:21:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:15:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <498827fbd9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <498802335B%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <49872a7394davidb@argonet.co.uk> <498802335B%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <498802335B%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > In article <49872a7394davidb@argonet.co.uk> Mr Breakwell wrote: > > Surely the whole point is that ImpPub doesn't do tables - it provides > > the capability to have rules and rule-offs as part of a style. [...] > A fair point, but this is adequate for 90% of my 'table' requirements. > So would something like this be fairly easy to add to OPro, rather than > 'full-blown' tables? Perhaps an applet could do it. Maybe it's time I > took a look at applet programming... Well it's true to say that ImpPub doesn't do tables in itself. But if you've got the spreadsheet Eureka, it's very easy to make superb tables, Save them as ImpOLE files and drop them into Publisher. A Ctrl-double click will OLE the table back into Eureka for modifications/updates. F3 returns it to the publisher doc with the modifications. As I've mentioned before you can do the same thing with OvPro. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:14:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117078 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:14:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949186674:20:07659:17; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:57:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006622; 29 Jan 2000 22:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23143 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:30:22 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23138 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:30:20 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-123.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.123]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA28536 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:28:56 GMT Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:29:13 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab Rulers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <117031@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <117031@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Doesn't it already? If no ruler is defined, then default tab stops are > > applied and these don't show up when you bring up the ruler. But once > > you have defined a ruler, surely all the existing tabs *do* show. > > No they don't, there are (only and always) default tab stops beyond the > last tab you have set. These tabs never appear on rulers. What about showing the default tabs in grey on the tab ruler (non-editable) wherever they exist, to clear up any confusion? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:15:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117086 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:15:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949193068:20:23946:19; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:44:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124343; 30 Jan 2000 0:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23548 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:30:10 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23543 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:30:09 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.81] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12EiDj-0002Ih-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:28:04 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:04:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:04:32 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab Rulers Message-ID: <5f70378849%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Brian O'Carroll" wrote: > In message <117031@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > Doesn't it already? If no ruler is defined, then default tab stops are > > > applied and these don't show up when you bring up the ruler. But once > > > you have defined a ruler, surely all the existing tabs *do* show. > > > > No they don't, there are (only and always) default tab stops beyond the > > last tab you have set. These tabs never appear on rulers. > > What about showing the default tabs in grey on the tab ruler (non-editable) > wherever they exist, to clear up any confusion? > Sounds like a nice idea. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:15:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117089 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:15:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949195567:20:08956:24; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 01:26:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008925; 30 Jan 2000 1:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23634 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:58:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23629 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:58:56 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12EigJ-000JNW-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:57:35 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:58:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: border vs line tool To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <116811@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 28 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > That sounds very much like a Draw file border, and if you increase > the width, which one it is should become apparent. > Thanks, David - Sorry: a foolish oversight. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:15:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117104 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:15:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949229418:20:18251:21; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:50:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018227; 30 Jan 2000 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24602 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:36:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24597 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:36:09 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.170) [194.69.106.170] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Ergn-0001iu-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:34:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:06:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: 32K sprites in Artworks Message-ID: <498486cb6bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116066@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <116066@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <116066@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I have recently started using 32K and 16M colour sprites in > >Artworks files and although they render fine in the program they won't > >then load into OVPro. > I believe this is just 'tough luck' and it also applies to Impression. > Suitable rendering modules were never released. > I'd be delighted to hear I'm wrong... Possibly a silly question but what happens if the full Artworks version of the modules is pointed to by the OArtwrks applet? Surely if the user has the correct modules there for Artworks itself to run then Ovation Pro should work with them? > David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:16:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117119 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:16:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949253972:10:03831:17; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:39:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1103625; 30 Jan 2000 17:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25455 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:24:38 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25450 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:24:37 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-66.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.66]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA03160 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:23:04 GMT Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:42:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Chamings Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4986EF6D00%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: At home, 0131 664 1344 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 27 Jan, Chris Manning wrote: > In message > Alf Chamings wrote: > > > On Sun 23 Jan, Chris Manning wrote: > > >> I've not tried the [!Ps2PDF] application, for the simple reason that > >> I've never managed to persuade the command line version to do anything > >> sensible. > > > Have you tried the GhostScript, PSutils, PS2PDF combination > > I thought that's what we were discussing, or at least the GhostScript and > ps2pdf parts of it (there's no mention of 'pdf' in the version of !PSUtils > that I have here). It's certainly what I was discussing. > > > There is no need for command line stuff at all. > > But it *is* "command line stuff": ps2pdf is an alias which runs > .bin.ps2pdf. > > > Just make sure the filer has seen all the apps, load up ps2pdf, > > If you mean !Ps2PDF (and I assume you do), the point I was making was that > I've not tried it because I (mis?)understand that it's simply a front-end > for the "command line stuff", and that doesn't work (on my system). > Yes, I understand it is a front end with a somewhat limited range of use of GhostScript. I wonder why it doesn't work on your system. Being relatively inept at using the command line, I just found the !PS2PDF front end very convenient. Having now also discovered !GView from the same site as the Ghostscript files, I am now finding that quite useful too. The next thing which seems to be significant (and I have not fathomed yet) is the matter of embedded fonts: how to embed them and what happens if you don't, etc. Anyone know of an easy introduction to PostScript? Regards Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:16:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117124 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:16:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949257630:10:03249:19; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:40:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002717; 30 Jan 2000 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25585 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:58:17 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA25580 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:58:16 GMT Received: (qmail 12197 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2000 17:56:41 -0000 Received: from userb344.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (193.149.82.73) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2000 17:56:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:27:26 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <498896EB61%mik.towse@xemik.com> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 Subject: Button Macros and Gaps X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've finally decided to customise OPro &, after discovering the type("") command, stopped tearing my hair out. So now I've created a few button macros I put them on the bar, but the manual says I can click on *Insert gap before* to separate diff' groups. This option does not appear on the new button wdw & looking back at earlier versions this wdw appeared have a gap where this option may have been inserted. Since my 'new' bar is looking a bit squashed up, I'd like to know how I /do/ insert a gap. TIA -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ In England there are sixty different religions and only one sauce. Francesco Caracciolo -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:16:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117125 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:16:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949264742:10:03197:17; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:39:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003115; 30 Jan 2000 20:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26299 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:24:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26294 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:24:45 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.213) [193.149.73.213] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12F0sK-0005P2-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:23:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:12:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <4988a60f05davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498802335B%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <49872a7394davidb@argonet.co.uk> <498802335B%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <498802335B%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > A fair point, but this is adequate for 90% of my 'table' requirements. > So would something like this be fairly easy to add to OPro, rather than > 'full-blown' tables? Perhaps an applet could do it. Maybe it's time I > took a look at applet programming... I did write an applet recently that created vertical square brackets over multiple lines - it used a font I created which consisted of suitable line elements. It was operable for this task but tables would be a more tricky task. Does anyone know of a 'line' font consisting of all the various line and join intersections? If your still using the TSV files described earlier, it should be possible to create some DDL that would create the table from the text file, inserting lines as required using such a font. David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:16:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117128 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:16:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949266430:11:21166:17; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:07:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016042; 30 Jan 2000 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26407 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:39:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26402 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:39:33 GMT Received: from (62.188.132.93) [62.188.132.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12F16e-0005rL-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:38:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Angela Craggs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:12:59 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Type 5 error - solved Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 26 Jan 2000 (22:15:57), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >Nope. Don't have that applet. By the way I am running v2.56 on > RISCOS3.7 SA if > >that makes any difference. > > So, just disable all the applets and run OPro and see if it still > crashes. > > How would I disable all the applets quickly? Select them all and shift > drag to a temporary directory. > Sorry, I did have the New Frame applet. I found it as I worked through the above. Removing it has solved the problem. Thank you Angela Craggs -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ acraggs@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/acraggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:16:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117130 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:16:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949273686:10:02123:17; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 23:08:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001997; 30 Jan 2000 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27189 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:39:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27183 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:39:57 GMT Received: from (193.149.76.104) [193.149.76.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12F2z7-0002XE-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:38:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:15:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Type 5 error - solved Message-ID: <4988b14facdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Angela Craggs wrote: > Sorry, I did have the New Frame applet. I found it as I worked through > the above. Removing it has solved the problem. Thank you Angela Craggs Don't forget there is a new version with the error corrected on the OP Resources web site. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:16:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117137 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:16:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949234881:20:19916:17; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:21:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122790; 30 Jan 2000 12:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24840 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:54:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24835 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:54:44 GMT Received: from (62.188.145.75) [62.188.145.75] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Esuq-00058j-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:53:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:44:36 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 29 Jan 2000 (16:08:24 +0000), dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > >That's what I do... >Create a table in Eureka, fill in the required data. >Hilight the table. >Tick "Limit to selection" in the Save window. >Save as "ImpOLE" type file. >Drop this into an Ov Pro frame... size... do whatever... > >If I need to update the data I hilight the Table frame. >Do CTRL-Double click, this will OLE the table back into Eureka >(assuming its been seen by the filer). > >Make any data changes. >F3 [Return] the file gets returned to the OVPro document from whence it >came. > >Bobs yer ... > >Nb: Cell borders, colours and formulas etc. all transfer both ways. > >Cheers > >Dave S > >Ps: While I find this is an excellent and easy way to construct and >maintain tables in OvPro...The OLE process can become a bit cranky. > >I'll not bother to write all the details here, but there is a quite >simple way to make it behave if it does get lost. >If anyone needs additional info... post here and I'll reply soonest. > Yes, please, for further advice. I have been playing with this, and it did indeed get a bit cranky! I made it work yesterday, but today it won't, and I can't remember what I did yesterday! Does the filer have to have seen or run a version of Impression for it to work? (Sorry to use such a rude word in this list; I have a copy of the PD Impression Junior, which I only got to read the Impression files on the Archive CD and it doesn't even do this with the new issues . ) I don't seem to be able to make the ImpOLE save work unless Impression has been seen, (though it is in the list of options) and don't seem to be able to make it work at all for 'limit to selection'. I can make it load into an OvPro frame, but then it refuses to OLE out; it loads as a new Eureka sheet, which won't then OLE back again. Hints would be much appreciated. Odder and odder, but getting a bit off-topic: I loaded this into StrongEd to spellcheck it (uses the Impression spell module) and it registered *every* word as mis-spelt! Impression wasn't running but had been seen. Doing a reset cured this. I knew there were lots of reasons for using OPro rather than Impression, and this must be another one! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:17:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117148 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:17:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949261636:20:15248:18; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:47:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015158; 30 Jan 2000 19:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25848 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:32:23 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25843 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:32:21 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.103.32]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAC19943 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:32:12 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:29:20 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Tab Rulers To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <27d39b8749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 28 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > > > Here's another item for the wish list. When you bring up a tab > ruler (eg when setting a style or via Ctrl-Tab) the tab ruler > appears over the text selected or to which the styles applies. A > useful feature but it has one drawback - the ruler often obscures > the line of text you are trying to set. One idea proposed by > someone who has just spent the afternoon setting tabs on tables > is that you should be able to grab this tab ruler and move it up > or down so that you can align it against text at will. > > Does this make sense? > > David > yes, yeS, yES, YES, YES!, yes please! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:17:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117150 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:17:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949262331:20:01688:17; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:58:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106286; 30 Jan 2000 19:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25922 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:40:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA25917 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:40:53 GMT Received: from (62.188.145.107) [62.188.145.107] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12F0Bt-0003pb-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:39:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:38:03 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 30 Jan 2000 (11:44:36 +0000), pnyoung@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On Sat 29 Jan 2000 (16:08:24 +0000), dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > > > >>If I need to update the data I hilight the Table frame. >>Do CTRL-Double click, this will OLE the table back into Eureka >>(assuming its been seen by the filer). >> >>Make any data changes. >>F3 [Return] the file gets returned to the OVPro document from whence >it >>came. >> >>Bobs yer ... >> >>Nb: Cell borders, colours and formulas etc. all transfer both ways. >> >>Cheers >> >>Dave S >> >>Ps: While I find this is an excellent and easy way to construct and >>maintain tables in OvPro...The OLE process can become a bit cranky. >> >>I'll not bother to write all the details here, but there is a quite >>simple way to make it behave if it does get lost. >>If anyone needs additional info... post here and I'll reply soonest. >> > I don't seem to be able to make the >ImpOLE save work unless Impression has been seen, (though it is in the >list of options) and don't seem to be able to make it work at all for >'limit to selection'. I can make it load into an OvPro frame, but then >it refuses to OLE out; it loads as a new Eureka sheet, which won't then >OLE back again. Hints would be much >appreciated. Got it to work again; moral: RTFEmail :-) It needs a 'save as..' out of Eureka, not just a 'save..'. I think I have it right now. Many thanks to Dave! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:17:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117152 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:17:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949262461:20:04974:18; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:01:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004585; 30 Jan 2000 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25864 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:32:45 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25859 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:32:43 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.103.32]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAD19943 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:32:38 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:50:24 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Tab Rulers To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <32ce48749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 29 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > Robin Phillips wrote: > > > In message <27d39b8749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> > > David Graddol wrote: > > > Here's another item for the wish list. When you bring up a tab > > > ruler (eg when setting a style or via Ctrl-Tab) the tab ruler > > > appears over the text selected or to which the styles applies. A > > > useful feature but it has one drawback - the ruler often obscures > > > the line of text you are trying to set. One idea proposed by > > > someone who has just spent the afternoon setting tabs on tables > > > is that you should be able to grab this tab ruler and move it up > > > or down so that you can align it against text at will. > > > > > Does this make sense? > > > > I think David Graddol's idea sounds good, but could I take this opportunity > > to return to my earlier bind about the tabs display. I think it would be > > really useful if the tab ruler were to show each of the EXISTING tabs on it > > when the display opens. This is the sort of operation I was used to when > > using WordPerfect, and I found it less confusing. > > > > Doesn't it already? If no ruler is defined, then default tab > stops are applied and these don't show up when you bring up the > ruler. But once you have defined a ruler, surely all the existing > tabs *do* show. I suspect that there is a bit of a problem where > tabs have been applied over an area of text and then the tab > ruler is viewed with a fractionally different area selected. > > I have sometimes wondered whether it would be useful to have tab > rulers as named entities, separate from styles. You could then > attach a named ruler to a style and so use some kinds of > alignment consistently across styles. Presumeably you could > then also apply a named ruler locally. > > David > This particular quirk does annoy me but one lives with it. If there were an intention to revise the way tab setting works, it might be worthwhile 'going backwards' even to 1st Word+. The most helpful solution might be a bar at the top or bottom of the window which shows the tabs for the line on which the cursor lies. Where a piece of text is selected, it could perhaps show nothing where there is a clash of settings among the lines. In other words if every line in the selected text has the same settings, they would be shown. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:17:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117156 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:17:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949264606:20:17683:20; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:36:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119667; 30 Jan 2000 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26037 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:00:19 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26032 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:00:17 GMT Received: from [195.102.204.95] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12F0Tw-0001Gi-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:58:00 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:58:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:58:35 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alfred Chamings wrote: > On Thu 27 Jan, Chris Manning wrote: > > In message > > Alf Chamings wrote: > > > > > On Sun 23 Jan, Chris Manning wrote: > > > > >> I've not tried the [!Ps2PDF] application, for the simple reason that > > >> I've never managed to persuade the command line version to do anything > > >> sensible. > > > > > Have you tried the GhostScript, PSutils, PS2PDF combination > > > > I thought that's what we were discussing, or at least the GhostScript and > > ps2pdf parts of it (there's no mention of 'pdf' in the version of !PSUtils > > that I have here). It's certainly what I was discussing. > > > > > There is no need for command line stuff at all. > > > > But it *is* "command line stuff": ps2pdf is an alias which runs > > .bin.ps2pdf. > > > > > Just make sure the filer has seen all the apps, load up ps2pdf, > > > > If you mean !Ps2PDF (and I assume you do), the point I was making was that > > I've not tried it because I (mis?)understand that it's simply a front-end > > for the "command line stuff", and that doesn't work (on my system). > > > Yes, I understand it is a front end with a somewhat limited range of use of > GhostScript. I wonder why it doesn't work on your system. > > Being relatively inept at using the command line, I just found the !PS2PDF > front end very convenient. Having now also discovered !GView from the same > site as the Ghostscript files, I am now finding that quite useful too. > > The next thing which seems to be significant (and I have not fathomed yet) is > the matter of embedded fonts: how to embed them and what happens if you > don't, etc. Anyone know of an easy introduction to PostScript? > The rules for embedded fonts with regard to PDF are fairly simple. If you use only the 'Base 14' postscript fonts (which are those built into postscript devices such as printers or Acrobat PDF Reader software) then there is no need to embed. You then get a smaller PDF file. However, you need to ensure that your postscript printer driver maps the equivalent RiscOs fonts to the standard fonts. (i.e. Trinity=Times, Homerton=Helvetica, Selwyn=Dingbats etc). !FontPrint is the utility which sets this up for each printer driver, but I think that its default is to map these correctly. If you have a non Base 14 font then you will need to to embed it. If you don't, you may find that the reader has a reasonable attempt to display something but it will not look as intended. There is a further problem in that Risc OS fonts appear to other platforms as having the characters encoded idiosyncratically. If they don't have the font embedded, they may decline to display it. When embedding fonts you have a further problem. If you just have the Risc OS outline font and not the Postscript Type 1 font then the font will be embedded in the Postscript as Type 3. When your final PDF is viewed on the screen (or any low resolution device) it will look pretty terrible. When it is printed out, however, it will look fine. So you really need Type 1 fonts in order to embed into Postscript/PDF unless the final output is a high resolution device (such as a film imagesetter). But the standard !FontPrint settings should handle all this fairly automatically. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:17:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117161 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:17:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949266438:20:04621:17; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:07:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004607; 30 Jan 2000 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26462 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:52:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26457 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:52:52 GMT Received: from (ck60.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.6.168] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12F1JY-0006La-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:51:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:15:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Button Macros and Gaps Message-ID: <4988a653d9jms@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498896EB61%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <498896EB61%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <498896EB61%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > I've finally decided to customise OPro &, after discovering the type("") > command, stopped tearing my hair out. So now I've created a few button > macros I put them on the bar, but the manual says I can click on *Insert > gap before* to separate diff' groups. This option does not appear on the > new button wdw & looking back at earlier versions this wdw appeared have > a gap where this option may have been inserted. > Since my 'new' bar is looking a bit squashed up, I'd like to know how I > /do/ insert a gap. > TIA Point at the button after where you want the gap. Shift/CTRL Adjust click. Same again to remove the gap. Don't forget to 'Save macros'. -- John Sandford Herts Uk. Argonet: mail: jms@argonet.co.uk Domain: www: http://sandford-1.org.uk ## mail: John@sandford-1.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:17:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117166 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:17:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949268359:20:20581:17; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:39:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020506; 30 Jan 2000 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26623 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:58:34 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26618 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:58:32 GMT Received: from modem-93.cirdan.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.147.221] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12F1P2-0001Eu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:57:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:39:02 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 32K sprites in Artworks Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <498486cb6bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steven Pampling was let out long enough to write: > In article <116066@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > >I have recently started using 32K and 16M colour sprites in > > >Artworks files and although they render fine in the program they won't > > >then load into OVPro. > > > I believe this is just 'tough luck' and it also applies to Impression. > > > Suitable rendering modules were never released. > > > I'd be delighted to hear I'm wrong... > > Possibly a silly question but what happens if the full Artworks version of > the modules is pointed to by the OArtwrks applet? > Surely if the user has the correct modules there for Artworks itself to run > then Ovation Pro should work with them? > No, it seems the artworks program was unpdated to use 32K sprites but the ArtworksRenderer module used by everything that renders artworks, but not the program itself, was not updated. So unless anyone fancies patching it I don't think 32K sprites are ever going to be usable in artworks files. Wait for Vantage I suppose. Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Never ask a question unless the answer makes a difference. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:17:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117168 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:17:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949269277:20:09535:27; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:54:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008785; 30 Jan 2000 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26878 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:38:48 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26873 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:38:47 GMT Received: (qmail 15106 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2000 21:37:12 -0000 Received: from userk593.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.70.169) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2000 21:37:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Message-ID: <4988ad1841dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr P.N.Young wrote: > On Sat 29 Jan 2000 (16:08:24 +0000), dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > > > > >That's what I do... > >Create a table in Eureka, fill in the required data. > >Hilight the table. > >Tick "Limit to selection" in the Save window. > >Save as "ImpOLE" type file. > >Drop this into an Ov Pro frame... size... do whatever... > > > >If I need to update the data I hilight the Table frame. > >Do CTRL-Double click, this will OLE the table back into Eureka > >(assuming its been seen by the filer). > > > >Make any data changes. > >F3 [Return] the file gets returned to the OVPro document from whence it > >came. > > > >Bobs yer ... > > > >Nb: Cell borders, colours and formulas etc. all transfer both ways. > > > >Cheers > > > >Dave S > > > >Ps: While I find this is an excellent and easy way to construct and > >maintain tables in OvPro...The OLE process can become a bit cranky. > > > >I'll not bother to write all the details here, but there is a quite > >simple way to make it behave if it does get lost. > >If anyone needs additional info... post here and I'll reply soonest. > > > Yes, please, for further advice. I have been playing with this, and it > did indeed get a bit cranky! I made it work yesterday, but today it > won't, and I can't remember what I did yesterday! > Does the filer have to have seen or run a version of Impression for it > to work? (Sorry to use such a rude word in this list; I have a copy of > the PD Impression Junior, which I only got to read the Impression files > on the Archive CD and it doesn't even do this with the > new issues . ) I don't seem to be able to make the > ImpOLE save work unless Impression has been seen, (though it is in the > list of options) and don't seem to be able to make it work at all for > 'limit to selection'. I can make it load into an OvPro frame, but then > it refuses to OLE out; it loads as a new Eureka sheet, which won't then > OLE back again. Hints would be much appreciated. > Odder and odder, but getting a bit off-topic: I loaded this into > StrongEd to spellcheck it (uses the Impression spell module) and it > registered *every* word as mis-spelt! Impression wasn't running but had > been seen. Doing a reset cured this. I knew there were lots of reasons > for using OPro rather than Impression, and this must be another one! > Best wishes, > Peter. Hi Peter, I keep meaning to have a word with David (DP) about this, but keep forgetting...:-( Busy, busy... Okay when you OLE from OvPro it creates and uses a directory in !Boot.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ScrapDir called Ovation0 inside which you'll find the OLEd Eureka file/s... Probably "F01! F02" etc. Hereafter, I don't know what's going on as it's pushing the boundary of my knowledge, but once this Directory has been created and a linked (OLE) file put in it you must *not Quit* the Eureka OLE sheet... Just Hide it until you've finished with a session. Click the usual X close Icon, left hand end of the Toolbar titlebar. This as you probably know just hides the active sheet/s from view, (Can also be done from Menu-Window-Hide). (Whereas clicking the close Icon on the actual sheet quits/closes it down completely)... No more OLE for a while. (See mishap below). If the OLE sheet is just hiding, it can be re-OLEd as much as you like from... and then back in to OvPro. As a last resort... If you have a mishap, Quit-ting Ov Pro from the Icon bar clears the ScrapDir Ovation0 and then rebooting OvPro will get you back into OLEing again. Hope that helps... works for me, as Fred used to say. Cheers Dave S Ps: Impression is irrelevant in this context, it doesn't need to be run. "ImpOLE" is just the way that the file is saved. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:17:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117173 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:17:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949326169:10:12445:18; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:42:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127756; 31 Jan 2000 13:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29078 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:12:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29073 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:12:45 GMT Received: from (62.188.145.119) [62.188.145.119] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12FGdB-00076u-00; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:12:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:33:22 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Tables; Find & replace Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks, Dave; solved for me at any rate! Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:17:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117174 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:17:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949283324:20:09904:17; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:48:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103769; 31 Jan 2000 1:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27691 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:18:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA27686 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:18:48 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.185) [193.149.74.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12F5UL-0006xK-00; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:18:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 00:04:56 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Button Macros and Gaps Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 30 Jan 2000 (17:27:26 +0000), mik.towse@xemik.com wrote: > Since my 'new' bar is looking a bit squashed up, I'd like to know how I > /do/ insert a gap. I the exactly the same problem, did as you have done and now I can't remember the answer. But I wrote it down in the manual! Point at the button and do a Shift Ctrl Adjust. So simple but b****y obscure! For most of us that just get on and use Opro it is almost essential to make notes 'cos there's not a cat in hells chance of remembering. I can't usually remember all the stuff I've downloaded from one day to the next. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:18:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117188 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:18:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949315617:20:19394:24; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:46:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019494; 31 Jan 2000 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28568 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:12:32 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28563 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:12:30 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA24881 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:12:23 GMT Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:12:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 30 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > Alfred Chamings wrote: > > > Having now also discovered !GView from the same site as the Ghostscript > > files, I am now finding that quite useful too. > > > > The next thing which seems to be significant (and I have not fathomed > > yet) is the matter of embedded fonts: how to embed them and what happens > > if you don't, etc. Anyone know of an easy introduction to PostScript? > > > The rules for embedded fonts with regard to PDF are fairly > simple. If you use only the 'Base 14' postscript fonts (which are > those built into postscript devices such as printers or Acrobat > PDF Reader software) then there is no need to embed. You then get > a smaller PDF file. However, you need to ensure that your > postscript printer driver maps the equivalent RiscOs fonts to > the standard fonts. (i.e. Trinity=Times, Homerton=Helvetica, > Selwyn=Dingbats etc). !FontPrint is the utility which sets this > up for each printer driver, but I think that its default is to > map these correctly. > > If you have a non Base 14 font then you will need to to embed it. > If you don't, you may find that the reader has a reasonable > attempt to display something but it will not look as intended. > There is a further problem in that Risc OS fonts appear to other > platforms as having the characters encoded idiosyncratically. If > they don't have the font embedded, they may decline to display > it. > > When embedding fonts you have a further problem. If you just have > the Risc OS outline font and not the Postscript Type 1 font then > the font will be embedded in the Postscript as Type 3. When your > final PDF is viewed on the screen (or any low resolution device) > it will look pretty terrible. When it is printed out, however, it > will look fine. So you really need Type 1 fonts in order to embed > into Postscript/PDF unless the final output is a high resolution > device (such as a film imagesetter). But the standard !FontPrint > settings should handle all this fairly automatically. > That's very helpful. Thanks. If I follow this correctly, you need to invest in Adobe Type 1 fonts to do anything much apart from Times and Helvetica. Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 16:18:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117193 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 16:18:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949323690:20:10323:37; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:01:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009872; 31 Jan 2000 13:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28895 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:28:56 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28890 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:28:55 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.144] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12FFw0-0002TS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:28:01 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:11:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:11:44 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output Message-ID: <10dafd8849%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alf Chamings wrote: > On Sun 30 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > > Alfred Chamings wrote: > > > > > Having now also discovered !GView from the same site as the Ghostscript > > > files, I am now finding that quite useful too. > > > > > > The next thing which seems to be significant (and I have not fathomed > > > yet) is the matter of embedded fonts: how to embed them and what happens > > > if you don't, etc. Anyone know of an easy introduction to PostScript? > > > > > The rules for embedded fonts with regard to PDF are fairly > > simple. If you use only the 'Base 14' postscript fonts (which are > > those built into postscript devices such as printers or Acrobat > > PDF Reader software) then there is no need to embed. You then get > > a smaller PDF file. However, you need to ensure that your > > postscript printer driver maps the equivalent RiscOs fonts to > > the standard fonts. (i.e. Trinity=Times, Homerton=Helvetica, > > Selwyn=Dingbats etc). !FontPrint is the utility which sets this > > up for each printer driver, but I think that its default is to > > map these correctly. > > > > If you have a non Base 14 font then you will need to to embed it. > > If you don't, you may find that the reader has a reasonable > > attempt to display something but it will not look as intended. > > There is a further problem in that Risc OS fonts appear to other > > platforms as having the characters encoded idiosyncratically. If > > they don't have the font embedded, they may decline to display > > it. > > > > When embedding fonts you have a further problem. If you just have > > the Risc OS outline font and not the Postscript Type 1 font then > > the font will be embedded in the Postscript as Type 3. When your > > final PDF is viewed on the screen (or any low resolution device) > > it will look pretty terrible. When it is printed out, however, it > > will look fine. So you really need Type 1 fonts in order to embed > > into Postscript/PDF unless the final output is a high resolution > > device (such as a film imagesetter). But the standard !FontPrint > > settings should handle all this fairly automatically. > > > That's very helpful. Thanks. If I follow this correctly, you need to invest > in Adobe Type 1 fonts to do anything much apart from Times and Helvetica. > That's right - if you want the PDF files to look good on screen in a standard PDF reader on a PC or Mac. I had thought the fonts included Palatino but I have just checked the Adobe spec and it includes the following: Courier (always used as the default in PDF in cases of difficulty) [Bold, BoldOblique, Oblique] Helvetica [Bold, BoldOblique, Oblique] Times Roman [Bold, BoldItalic, Italic] Symbol ZapfDingbats David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 20:41:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117248 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 20:41:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949346173:20:24189:24; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:16:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103872; 31 Jan 2000 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29870 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:59:03 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29865 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:59:02 GMT Received: (qmail 14551 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2000 18:58:51 -0000 Received: from userbi98.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (62.188.143.162) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2000 18:58:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:55:55 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button Macros and Gaps Message-ID: <4988AF800E%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <498896EB61%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4988a653d9jms@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4988a653d9jms@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4988a653d9jms@argonet.co.uk> John Sandford wrote: > Mik Towse wrote: > > Since my 'new' bar is looking a bit squashed up, I'd like to know how I > > /do/ insert a gap. > Point at the button after where you want the gap. Shift/CTRL Adjust click. > Same again to remove the gap. Don't forget to 'Save macros'. Excellent, thanks. I did RTM (/&/ update files) but I can't see that anywhere. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ If not controlled, work flows to the competent person until he is submerged. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 21:09:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117266 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 21:09:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949352817:20:16201:17; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:06:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120233; 31 Jan 2000 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30195 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:44:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30189 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:44:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12FNfr-000Dna-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:43:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:30:20 GMT Message-Id: <117242@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing & Delirium X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have recently (this limits it to RPC/R04/OvProV12.56/PrintersV1.62) >noticed that if the delirium screen saver kicks in during the printing >process it really messes up. Depends how it works. If it is on desktop polling, configuring background mode (print choices) might be the way to stop it going off. You could set up OP print events to wiggle something that looks like user activity (robot arm), or maybe to switch the saver on/off if it has *commands to do this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 21:09:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117267 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 21:09:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949352428:10:05025:17; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:00:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129983; 31 Jan 2000 21:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30174 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:43:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30169 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:43:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12FNfk-000Dna-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:43:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:24:35 GMT Message-Id: <117238@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What puzzles me is that if I change, say, Trinity.Bold to Frutiger.Black >(with Zap), then reload that DDL file into OPro, it's magically reverted to >Trinity.Bold! This isn't just OPro changing all missing fonts to Trinity is it? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 21:09:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117269 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 21:09:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949353012:10:18741:17; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:10:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113624; 31 Jan 2000 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30160 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:40:35 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA30154 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:40:33 GMT Received: (qmail 17625 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2000 20:46:47 -0000 Received: from 66-186.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO maured.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.186) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2000 20:46:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:39:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: Tables in OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA30155 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB30160 TABLES IN OVPRO. I use Schema2 for spreadsheet purposes and tables constructed in Schema2 = can be exported as !Draw files. This has proved useful for the occasional document where the display of a table was required in an OvPro document.=20 A year or two ago I wrote a series of magazine articles on using Ovation, and one of these described a simple way of constructing tables. It works equally well in OPro. for occasional use. As always some pre-planning fo= r size of grid etc. is necessary but there is considerable flexibility regarding type styles, text colours, justification, slot sizes etc.=20 Take the simpest case of a table 2 columns by 4 rows. Draw a frame somewh= ere out of the way on the document page making it the size you want for the table grid. For example 25mm x 15mm. Add a plain =94thin=95 border. Dupli= cate the frame 7 times with 0mm vertical shift and 3mm horizontal shift. You w= ill get a spread of 8 overlapping frames like a spread of cards.=20 If necessary, use guide lines on the page to facilitate positioning of th= e table. Now click on the end frame in the spread and drag it into the position for the top left of the table. Now drag the others one at a time= to there respective positions, allowing them to snap into place next to each other. I find this table can be constructed in a few seconds and prints o= ut satisfactorily for most of my (admittedly simple) requirements. A thicker line can be drawn across the table to separate the headings fro= m the data rows. When the table is finished, and the data added, group everything to make the table into a single object.=20 It is obvious that slots can be different heights and columns different widths, as required. It is now possible to highlight one or more slots us= ing the fill tool and suitable colours and tint values with hatch.=20 --=20 Maurice Edmundson=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3Demail:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 23:07:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117270 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jan 100 23:07:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949354456:11:20923:18; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:34:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025369; 31 Jan 2000 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30190 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:44:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30176 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:43:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12FNfo-000Dna-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:43:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:27:12 GMT Message-Id: <117240@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Maybe you didn't say what I thought you said... I think its that in document files OPro saves the absolute name of the font i.e. the directories which appear on disc, but it uses the 'alias' on menus. The idea being to allow for non English font names to be used. This is the opposite of what I originally implied. But it still would be a solution to the original problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 1 01:44:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117307 for opro ; Tue, 01 Feb 100 01:44:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949360308:10:20616:17; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:11:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020531; 31 Jan 2000 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30819 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:42:09 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30814 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:42:02 GMT Received: (qmail 5553 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2000 22:41:49 -0000 Received: from userk015.uk.uudial.com (HELO xemik@argonet.co.uk) (194.69.100.99) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2000 22:41:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:58:09 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button Macros and Gaps Message-ID: <4989288DEB%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Richard Watkinson wrote: > On Sun 30 Jan 2000, Mik Towse wrote: > > Since my 'new' bar is looking a bit squashed up, I'd like to know how I > > /do/ insert a gap. > [...] But I wrote it down in the manual! Point at the button and do a > Shift Ctrl Adjust. So simple but b****y obscure! True. I'd never have found /that/ without this group! :o) I've also nudged in the first icon on each line using this facility & then moved the toolbar into the gap. This has given me a small but useful amount of space so that when I work on 2 facing A4 pages, the 'bar doesn't move over the text. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ VirusScan Message: Windows 98 found: Remove it? 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