From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 14:01:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92603 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 14:01:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922961875:20:15691:24; Thu, 01 Apr 99 10:17:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103060; 1 Apr 99 10:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09582 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:54:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09577 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:53:45 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10SeAq-0005HJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:54:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:34:59 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Insert Number of pages in document To: Ovation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Could someone tell me how I can have the number of pages in a document inserted into a frame. This would need to update itself as the number of pages grows. This would be particularly useful for stating the number of pages in a fax. Cheers -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 14:01:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92615 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 14:01:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922962083:10:07443:23; Thu, 01 Apr 99 10:21:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007412; 1 Apr 99 10:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA09616 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:00:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09604 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:59:52 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10SeGt-000ABP-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:00:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:01:07 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Window redraw problem at A2 To: Ovation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Today I created an A2 document. At 1000pc zoom I get terrible redraw problems; multiple icon bars etc. Is this an April 1st virus or an Opro problem. Yoiu will notice from the date of this email that I have moved the date forward, but this has not altered anything. The problem does not seem to recur at lower zoom levels or with A4 docs at 1000pc. Thoughts? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 14:02:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92619 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 14:02:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922966709:10:19092:21; Thu, 01 Apr 99 11:38:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109999; 1 Apr 99 11:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA09943 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:11:52 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09938 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:11:26 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p5-max5.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.251.69]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA196 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:48:18 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <92558@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB09943 On Thu 01 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > (and I didn't know this when I last said anything) ukp 2.79 Wow.. thats not so much David... Maybe you should drop them and take on your interlectual property to charge us directly for upgrades and enhancements..... I have a simple question, which Has probably been explained before.. I am Installing a New Hard Drive (4th) How do I sucsessfully move OP to it.... Last Time I moved it it complained and needed an upgrade path that was scary.... =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 14:02:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92620 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 14:02:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922969213:10:26683:21; Thu, 01 Apr 99 12:20:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124863; 1 Apr 99 12:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA10100 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:01:45 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10092 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:01:22 +0100 Received: from modem-97.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.45.97] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10SgAh-0007mO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:02:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:00:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Window redraw problem at A2 Message-ID: <48ebeadb2arayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Alan Muscat wrote: > Today I created an A2 document. At 1000pc zoom I get terrible > redraw problems; multiple icon bars etc. > Is this an April 1st virus or an Opro problem. It's a bequest that Acorn left us with Windows manager 3.98 :-( It's not only OP that suffers from it. Cheers, Ray D -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 14:02:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92621 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 14:02:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922969291:10:27606:16; Thu, 01 Apr 99 12:21:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027453; 1 Apr 99 12:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA10099 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:01:43 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10088 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:01:21 +0100 Received: from modem-97.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.45.97] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10SgAf-0007mO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:02:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:57:02 +0100 Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 Message-ID: <48ebea8babrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <92558@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Rene Turner wrote: > On Thu 01 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > (and I didn't know this when I last said anything) ukp 2.79 > Wow.. thats not so much David... > Maybe you should drop them and take on your interlectual property > to charge us directly for upgrades and enhancements..... I would quite happily pay for upgrades directly to David, but I do resent very much paying Beebug, who in my opinion are just trying to make last minute bucks out of Risc OS users that they have left for good. Is that possible? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 17:30:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92641 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 17:30:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922978356:20:00591:16; Thu, 01 Apr 99 14:52:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110816; 1 Apr 99 14:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA10494 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:30:16 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10484 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:30:01 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-26.access.ch [195.112.93.154]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA30825 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:30:45 +0200 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:26:32 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Insert Number of pages in document To: Ovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 29 Mar, Alan Muscat wrote: > Could someone tell me how I can have the number of pages > in a document inserted into a frame. This would need to > update itself as the number of pages grows. This would be > particularly useful for stating the number of pages in a > fax. Cheers This indeed would be very useful. It should be possible to add a macro if indeed the OP program has a script language definition for the total amount of pages. And the total amount of pages is to be found when pressing . So somehow OP does seem to know the total amount of pages. But I cannot find anything either in the manual nor in the 'NewFuncts' file (12 Jun 1997). JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 17:30:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92642 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 17:30:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922977512:10:08363:23; Thu, 01 Apr 99 14:38:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008118; 1 Apr 99 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA10392 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:19:13 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10382 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:18:52 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10SiJl-0000NO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:19:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 99 14:51:54 GMT Message-Id: <92638@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would quite happily pay for upgrades directly to David, but I do resent >very much paying Beebug, who in my opinion are just trying to make last >minute bucks out of Risc OS users that they have left for good. I'm sure they'd tell you they were just trying to recoup some of their investment. On the whole Beebug have had about 78% of the income from OPro, enough to show a profit, but not a vast one. Had we sold 1000 copies a year then that would have been OK. Had we sold 2000 copies a year then everything would have been great, Beebug would have full time staff working on OPro, I'd be working on it full time and it would no doubt be a very good program. The trouble starts at 200 copies a year. Where effectively I do everything, programming, support, testing, design and the deal with Beebug gives them most of the income. So times have moved on, and we're left high and dry. I've pointed out before that until things change the position is untenable. Beebug however want the 'status quo'. This of course will gradually kill off the program. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 17:30:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92644 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 17:30:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922977670:10:10631:40; Thu, 01 Apr 99 14:41:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122392; 1 Apr 99 14:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA10393 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:19:15 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10385 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:18:54 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10SiJj-0000NO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:19:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 99 14:46:46 GMT Message-Id: <92636@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Window redraw problem at A2 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Today I created an A2 document. At 1000pc zoom I get terrible >> redraw problems; multiple icon bars etc. >> Is this an April 1st virus or an Opro problem. >It's a bequest that Acorn left us with Windows manager 3.98 :-( My comment would be that if you generate something big enough, then redraws go wrong due to limitations in RISC OS. To give a simple example the drawing system only works to 32,000 OS units, go beyond that size and it wraps around. This problem is in every version of RISC OS, and nothing to do with the window manager. Because the screen size is never close to these limits, it would be possible to rewrite the program not to suffer from this problem. However above you're talking about 'multiple icon bars' I don't know what those are. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 21:21:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92659 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 21:21:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922986048:20:26726:17; Thu, 01 Apr 99 17:00:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026588; 1 Apr 99 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA10788 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:51:14 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10783 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:51:03 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Skh3-00071W-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:51:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 99 17:47:10 GMT Message-Id: <92656@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Insert Number of pages in document X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I quote from the mail list archive for November '98 8-) >We really need a FAQs list, this is the fourth or fifth time I've posted >this - I know how David P must feel at times. No problem however :-) >Put the MERGE commands shown below into a file, set its type to OVPDDL, >open a blank Ovpro document and drag the OVPDDL file to it, then use >Misc/Insert/merge tag to insert the necessary merge fields. >Then preview the document using File/Mail Merge, clicking on the 'First' >button to see the results. >Pete Bready >pbready@net.ntl.com >MERGE_02={merge 901 "time" "{gettimestring(\"%24:%MI:%SE\",macv)}"} >MERGE_03={merge 902 "filename" "{fileinfo(currentfile(),macv)}"} >MERGE_04={merge 903 "numpages" "{int >i,n,f,c;f=currentfile();c=documentchapters(f);for(i=0;i; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:08:43 +0100 Received: from [195.99.53.77] (helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by tungsten with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10Skxl-0003xf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:09:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:09:24 +0100 Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 Message-ID: <48ec0724a8darprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <92638@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <92638@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <92638@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I would quite happily pay for upgrades directly to David, but I do > >resent very much paying Beebug, who in my opinion are just trying to > >make last minute bucks out of Risc OS users that they have left for > >good. > I'm sure they'd tell you they were just trying to recoup some of their > investment. > On the whole Beebug have had about 78% of the income from OPro, enough > to show a profit, but not a vast one. > Had we sold 1000 copies a year then that would have been OK. Had we sold > 2000 copies a year then everything would have been great, Beebug would > have full time staff working on OPro, I'd be working on it full time and > it would no doubt be a very good program. > The trouble starts at 200 copies a year. Where effectively I do > everything, programming, support, testing, design and the deal with > Beebug gives them most of the income. > So times have moved on, and we're left high and dry. I've pointed out > before that until things change the position is untenable. Beebug > however want the 'status quo'. > This of course will gradually kill off the program. This last line has to be the most depressing that I have seen in any email. Is there anything that we users can do to try to improve this dreadful situation? Perhaps if we all made our displeasure clear by writing to Beebug, even to having recourse to boycotting their other products etc. Regards Depressed of Dartford -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 21:21:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92665 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 21:21:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922994613:20:06009:16; Thu, 01 Apr 99 19:23:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005590; 1 Apr 99 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA11207 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:10:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA11202 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:10:04 +0100 Received: from (193.149.88.110) [193.149.88.110] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Smra-0005SA-00; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:10:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 19:35:20 +0100 Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 Message-ID: <48ec0f02d0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48ec0724a8darprint@btinternet.com> References: <92638@pilling.demon.co.uk> <48ec0724a8darprint@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48ec0724a8darprint@btinternet.com>, Roger Mayne wrote: > In article <92638@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: [Snippy] > > So times have moved on, and we're left high and dry. I've pointed out > > before that until things change the position is untenable. Beebug > > however want the 'status quo'. > > This of course will gradually kill off the program. > This last line has to be the most depressing that I have seen in any > email. Is there anything that we users can do to try to improve this > dreadful situation? Perhaps if we all made our displeasure clear by > writing to Beebug, even to having recourse to boycotting their other > products etc. > Regards > Depressed of Dartford > -- > Roger Mayne Not so sure that's a good idea Roger, I wrote to the boss guy, enquiring about Ovation Pro's future in general, and how future upgrades would work, including one or two points that'd been mentioned by others on the list at various times... Oooer missis he really wrote back... steam issuing from many orrifices... Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 1 21:21:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92667 for opro ; Thu, 01 Apr 99 21:21:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922997114:20:17582:16; Thu, 01 Apr 99 20:05:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017505; 1 Apr 99 20:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA11346 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:53:26 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11341 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:53:11 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.84]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA6960 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:44:18 +0100 Message-ID: <37044DFB.7B37@net.ntl.com> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:56:27 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 References: <92638@pilling.demon.co.uk> <48ec0724a8darprint@btinternet.com> <48ec0f02d0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R D.A.Symes wrote: > Not so sure that's a good idea Roger, I wrote to the boss guy, enquiring > about Ovation Pro's future in general, and how future upgrades would work, > including one or two points that'd been mentioned by others on the list at > various times... Oooer missis he really wrote back... steam issuing from > many orrifices... > Well, don't keep us all in suspense (or suspenders, oooer missus) - what did the Norwegian Jury vote? What did he say? PS Isn't this a rather depressing repeat in the Acorn world - some bit of software comes like a comet, blazing a trail - then phut!? -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 13:49:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92691 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:49:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923041587:20:11755:16; Fri, 02 Apr 99 08:26:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011413; 2 Apr 99 8:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA12159 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:14:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA12154 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:14:04 +0100 Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10Sz6Q-0000XO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:14:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:52:19 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: New Hard Drive arrived today..... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 02 Apr, Rene Turner wrote: > Hello Everybody, > Sorry I am "Spamming" this to so many of you, especially > as I am spamming Lists, for ANT Suite, and OvationPro..... > < he he... stayed on topic...... sort of.... giggle> > HForm 1.50 (or was it 2.50) should do it. Check the Cybervillage. > > Where do I find it..... Buy it... getit..... use it.... -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz at home! ----> Acorn FoonGrep2 - supporting the "1998 CDfoons" ! mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 13:49:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92692 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:49:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923034019:10:00215:17; Fri, 02 Apr 99 06:20:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114708; 2 Apr 99 6:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA11825 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:10:44 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA11820 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:10:26 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p9-max6.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.251.137]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:12:12 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: New Hard Drive arrived today..... To: Allen Craig cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, jamjars@ihug.co.nz, inetbeta@argonet.co.uk, foundation@riscos.com, p.r.dennison@strath.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id HAB11825 Hello Everybody, Sorry I am "Spamming" this to so many of you, especially as I am spamming Lists, for ANT Suite, and OvationPro..... < he he... stayed on topic...... sort of.... giggle> I need Help Please, Got a new IDE "SeaGate Medalist 6.5gb" Drive.. want to install it as ADFS::5. I managed to plug it in, just sat it on top of 900mb, swapped cables so far all fine... Icon and "5" shows on Icon bar..... Trying to access it Menu on ADFS::5 shows Name disc, Dismount, Verify and Free, normally, and Format, Backup, Share greyed out........ Yes I know it needs formatting to ADFS.... < I am getting to that > found Utilities.!HForm on drive ADFS::4.$.Utilities.... It seems to be able to Identify that the drive has, 15 heads 65 sectors, etc.. and gives choices to set or change things.. I just clicked enter to accept the Choices offered..... Sadly No Joy , It started ok, but part way through got lost with Number too large error........ Help.... Help.... Help.... Is there a later Version of !HForm I can find anywhere,.... Is there a better Utility to set up my new drive with Partitions to give me 3x Just under 2gb Partitions and one smaller for the ballance.... Where do I find it..... Buy it... getit..... use it.... Please Help...... Ren=E9 Turner......=20 On Wed 31 Mar, Allen Craig wrote: > Hope it all goes well for you Rene...I take it you will be partitioning > that beast into some smaller drives with lower LFAU's to save some spac= e > ? ... you having another go at armlinux then ? >=20 > Looking forward to drive so I can try armlinux again without having to > throw my working netBSD version away... >=20 > chow.. >=20 > allen >=20 >=20 > On Tue 30 Mar, Rene Turner wrote: > > Good evening Allan, > >=20 > > Time for some Alchemy...... he he giggle grin....... > >=20 > > My new SeaGate Medalist 6.5gb Hard drive arrived today....... > > Planning to try to remember what to do to Fit it, and then to > > Proceed with fitting it this "Passover (Easter) Weekend" > > so with a small amount of luck You will be able to have the > > 900mb, anytime afterwards........ > > (Heck I hope this Works)..... LOL > > =20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 13:49:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92693 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:49:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923046338:20:19947:17; Fri, 02 Apr 99 09:45:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114976; 2 Apr 99 9:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA12334 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:33:22 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA12329 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:33:06 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.74) [194.69.104.74] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10T0Ku-0007K0-00; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:34:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 2 Apr 99 10:18:31 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 2 Apr 99 (08:49:21 +0100), alfchamings@ed.ac.uk wrote: >Does anyone have a 2.51 upgrade they could send me, please? > >Alf > Hallo Alf, I have a copy of the upgrade Zip file if you want. It's just under half a megabyte, so I thought I'd check with you first to see if you've got one from elsewhere. Best wishes, Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 13:49:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92694 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:49:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923039979:10:07380:16; Fri, 02 Apr 99 07:59:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100836; 2 Apr 99 7:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA12035 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:50:33 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12030 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:50:22 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA22961 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:51:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:49:21 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 01 Apr, Rene Turner wrote: > On Thu 01 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > > (and I didn't know this when I last said anything) ukp 2.79 > > Wow.. thats not so much David... > > Maybe you should drop them and take on your interlectual property > to charge us directly for upgrades and enhancements..... > > I have a simple question, which Has probably been explained before.. > > I am Installing a New Hard Drive (4th) How do I sucsessfully move > OP to it.... > > Last Time I moved it it complained and needed an upgrade path that was > scary.... > > I have this problem too. From what I remember, when I changed the name of my old hard drive I had to reinstall 2.46, then do another upgrade. But at that time there was no problem downloading the upgrade from the Beebug website. Does anyone have a 2.51 upgrade they could send me, please? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 13:49:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92696 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:49:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923049826:10:06487:21; Fri, 02 Apr 99 10:43:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006454; 2 Apr 99 10:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA12501 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:32:40 +0100 Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12496 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:32:23 +0100 Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id MAA25546; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:34:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:32:36 +0200 (BST) From: "F.R. Polak" Subject: Re: New Hard Drive arrived today..... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 02 Apr, Nico ter Haar wrote: > In on Fri 02 Apr, Rene Turner wrote: > > Hello Everybody, > > Sorry I am "Spamming" this to so many of you, especially > > as I am spamming Lists, for ANT Suite, and OvationPro..... > > < he he... stayed on topic...... sort of.... giggle> > > > HForm 1.50 (or was it 2.50) should do it. > Check the Cybervillage. > > > > > Where do I find it..... Buy it... getit..... use it.... > > Yes 2.50 it is, but how do you partition the drive with that, instead of formatting the whole drive? -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 13:49:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92695 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:49:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923049961:20:14307:16; Fri, 02 Apr 99 10:46:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123765; 2 Apr 99 10:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA12533 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:34:32 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12525 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:34:19 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13365 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:35:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:33:45 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 02 Apr, Richard - root address wrote: > On Fri 2 Apr 99 (08:49:21 +0100), alfchamings@ed.ac.uk wrote: > >Does anyone have a 2.51 upgrade they could send me, please? > > > >Alf > > > > Hallo Alf, > > I have a copy of the upgrade Zip file if you want. It's just under half a > megabyte, so I thought I'd check with you first to see if you've got one from > elsewhere. > > Best wishes, > > Richard. > No, that would be great, Richard, thanks. You don't also have the colour supplement upgrade by any chance? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 13:49:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92697 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:49:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923052901:10:14697:24; Fri, 02 Apr 99 11:35:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101694; 2 Apr 99 11:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA12907 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:23:01 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12902 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:22:47 +0100 Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10T235-0005aV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:23:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:21:51 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: New Hard Drive arrived today..... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 02 Apr, F.R. Polak wrote: > In on Fri 02 Apr, Nico ter Haar wrote: > > In on Fri 02 Apr, Rene Turner wrote: > > > Hello Everybody, > > > Sorry I am "Spamming" this to so many of you, especially > > > as I am spamming Lists, for ANT Suite, and OvationPro..... > > > < he he... stayed on topic...... sort of.... giggle> > > > > > HForm 1.50 (or was it 2.50) should do it. > > Check the Cybervillage. > > > > > > > > Where do I find it..... Buy it... getit..... use it.... > > > > > Yes 2.50 it is, but how do you partition the drive with that, instead of > formatting the whole drive? > No partioning I'm afraid unless you count using half the drive under adfs and the other half under Linux as partioning. regards nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz at home! ----> Acorn FoonGrep2 - supporting the "1998 CDfoons" ! mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 13:49:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92698 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:49:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923054931:20:01551:17; Fri, 02 Apr 99 12:08:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001164; 2 Apr 99 12:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA13032 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:59:46 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13027 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:59:35 +0100 Received: from [194.222.194.153] (helo=abacusline.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10T2cY-0006gP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:00:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:58:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: Ovation list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The Future of Ovation I believe that Ovation will continue to exist as long as we, the users, want it to. Whilst we might have to pay Beebug because of an 'old' contract (between Beebug and David Pilling) which is no longer appropriate to the current situation, there is nothing stopping us from sending some money to David as well. Of course you may think that you are paying for the same thing twice (once to David - where you get some value, and then to Beebug - where you seem to be paying for nothing) but that seems to me to be the nature of the situation. Another possibility is that those of us with Ovation who want David to keep it up and running (with the sort of support only he and not Beebug can give) might consider clubbing together and buying David out of his contract with Beebug. This would mean a lump sum from every user who wants to 'join the club'. Perhaps David could find out how much Beebug want to terminate his contract with them and then we could register (with David) our 'provisional' interest. David could then divide the amount Beebug want by the number who have said they are interested and let us know the size of the bill each of us would face. Then we have to make the decision whether to 'join the club' or not. Of course, once David is free from his onerous contract with Beebug those who have 'joined the club' should get their upgrades (directly from David) at a price which is lower than those who did not 'join'. As I see the overall situation either we get together and pay David one way or another (if necessary paying Beebug as well) or David will have to stop work on Ovation. I have anoather suggestion and that is to find a somebody who will write a 'new' DTP which will allow the import of Ovation files. We could finance that somebody to write the program and we, not Beebug, would own it! It would be nice if that somebody had access to (and some sort of licence to use) Ovation code in the 'new' DTP. I don't know to what extent Beebug 'own' the rights to the Ovation code but it might be cheaper for the 'club' to buy some rights to it than to buy David out of his current contract. I have no doubts whom I would choose to be that 'somebody' who writes the successor to Ovation. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 13:49:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92700 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:49:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923056709:20:27502:16; Fri, 02 Apr 99 12:38:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100029; 2 Apr 99 12:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA13158 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:25:50 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13153 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:25:34 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p58-max3.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.242.186]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA0 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:22:09 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: Ovation list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAB13158 Well I have to go along whole heartedly..... Whatever form it takes.... will you accept large denomination $NZ... David..... =20 On Fri 02 Apr, Ovation Pro wrote: > The Future of Ovation >=20 > I believe that Ovation will continue to exist as long as > we, the users, want it to. >=20 > Whilst we might have to pay Beebug because of an 'old' contract > (between Beebug and David Pilling) which is no longer appropriate > to the current situation, there is nothing stopping us from > sending some money to David as well. Of course you may think that > you are paying for the same thing twice (once to David - where you > get some value, and then to Beebug - where you seem to be paying > for nothing) but that seems to me to be the nature of the situation. >=20 > Another possibility is that those of us with Ovation who want David > to keep it up and running (with the sort of support only he and not > Beebug can give) might consider clubbing together and buying David out > of his contract with Beebug. This would mean a lump sum from every > user who wants to 'join the club'. >=20 > Perhaps David could find out how much Beebug want to terminate his > contract with them and then we could register (with David) our > 'provisional' interest. David could then divide the amount Beebug > want by the number who have said they are interested and let us > know the size of the bill each of us would face. Then we have > to make the decision whether to 'join the club' or not. >=20 > Of course, once David is free from his onerous contract with > Beebug those who have 'joined the club' should get their upgrades > (directly from David) at a price which is lower than those who > did not 'join'. >=20 >=20 > As I see the overall situation either we get together and pay > David one way or another (if necessary paying Beebug as well) > or David will have to stop work on Ovation. >=20 >=20 > I have anoather suggestion and that is to find a somebody who > will write a 'new' DTP which will allow the import of Ovation > files. We could finance that somebody to write the program and > we, not Beebug, would own it! It would be nice if that somebody > had access to (and some sort of licence to use) Ovation code in > the 'new' DTP. I don't know to what extent Beebug 'own' the > rights to the Ovation code but it might be cheaper for the 'club' > to buy some rights to it than to buy David out of his current > contract. I have no doubts whom I would choose to be that > 'somebody' who writes the successor to Ovation. >=20 >=20 > Gerald >=20 >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 14:48:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92708 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 14:48:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923059195:20:04255:16; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:19:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004217; 2 Apr 99 13:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA13293 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:10:25 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13288 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:10:13 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s10-166-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.166]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:06:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: Ovation list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 02 Apr, Ovation Pro wrote: > > > As I see the overall situation either we get together and pay > David one way or another (if necessary paying Beebug as well) > or David will have to stop work on Ovation. > > > I have anoather suggestion and that is to find a somebody who > will write a 'new' DTP which will allow the import of Ovation > files. We could finance that somebody to write the program and > we, not Beebug, would own it! It would be nice if that somebody > had access to (and some sort of licence to use) Ovation code in > the 'new' DTP. I don't know to what extent Beebug 'own' the > rights to the Ovation code but it might be cheaper for the 'club' > to buy some rights to it than to buy David out of his current > contract. I have no doubts whom I would choose to be that > 'somebody' who writes the successor to Ovation. > A lot of what you say makes sense, but I can't see the point of re-inventing the wheel yet again. It seems to me that this discussion is premature, anyway. I think that Beebug did not really believe that RISCOS Ltd would fly, and that the Acorn platform was doomed. It may be that they are now having second thoughts: certainly Risc User vol 12 issue 1 seems to be pointing in two directions at once. Anyway if RISCOS Ltd and the other developments are a success, then Ovation will have a future. On the other hand if the platform dies, is there any point in making long term plans? OvPro is perfectly usable as it is and will last out our current machines. It is unreasonable to expect David to put effort into something that has no future. But personally I am optimistic. It is not much of a secret that RISCOS Ltd are already coming up against the Finance Act limit of 50 investors. There are plenty of people who *do* still believe RISCOS has a future. If so, then either Beebug will return to the fold, or can be persuaded to sell their software to someone who wants to develop it. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 15:38:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92709 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 15:38:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923061473:20:09003:16; Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:57:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127112; 2 Apr 99 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA13415 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:48:16 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13404 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:47:56 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10T4JZ-0000O5-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:48:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 99 14:25:07 GMT Message-Id: <92703@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does anyone have a 2.51 upgrade they could send me, please? Why don't you just get it off the Beebug (www.beebug.com) web site? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 15:38:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92710 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 15:38:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923061713:20:12938:19; Fri, 02 Apr 99 14:01:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012496; 2 Apr 99 14:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA13416 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:48:19 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13408 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:47:57 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10T4JX-0000O5-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:48:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 99 13:53:51 GMT Message-Id: <92701@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future of Ovation X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I should say that my comments yesterday, were by way of an explanation of what happened, rather than an appeal for help or an attempt to rally support. You want to know why new Acorn programs appear like a comet and then go 'phut'?, I've explained. >there is nothing stopping us from sending some money to David Please don't (if anyone was thinking of). >might consider clubbing together and buying David out of his contract with Beebug I tried doing that and they were not interested. >I have anoather suggestion and that is to find a somebody who >will write a 'new' DTP which will allow the import of Ovation >files. this is one of the things I hoped I'd explained. *I* could produce a new DTP program (it might not take me 5 years this time). I could hire some legal people and escape from the agreement with Beebug. The point is that there aren't enough interested people in the 'Acorn' world. Putting in new large amounts of time and money doesn't make sense. Had Beebug seen the reality of the situation and gone along amicably with me taking over the program, that would have been viable. But to say you're going to go and spend 6 months and an undefined amount of money on forcing Beebugs hand legally. Or to spend a year rewriting the program is just not on. I do have one other insight, this is that what the Acorn world really wants is 'Impression'. No surprise, its been in use for a long time, people are accustomed to it. I would say that our biggest mistake was to not have just copied Impression or at the very least to have supported loading Impression files. One of the most common reactions when I was writing OPro was "oh good, that will make CC improve Impression". So Gerald, thats where you should be concentrating your attempts on taking over a DTP program. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 17:07:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92711 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 17:07:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923067751:10:29833:17; Fri, 02 Apr 99 15:42:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115700; 2 Apr 99 15:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13694 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:31:31 +0100 Received: from netsrvr.ami.com.au (netsrvr.ami.com.au [203.55.31.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13689 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:31:09 +0100 Received: from richard.ami.com.au (ppp2.ami.com.au [203.55.31.98]) by netsrvr.ami.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA03388 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:32:01 +0800 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:29:41 +0800 (GMT) From: Richard Clark Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <92703@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: HILLSTART (08)9293 1463 Perth Australia. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 02 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > >Does anyone have a 2.51 upgrade they could send me, please? > > Why don't you just get it off the Beebug (www.beebug.com) web site? > > Hi this is not downloding properly / working? http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade251/index.html -- Richard, Jayne, Peter, Helen, Nicholas, and Laura. Wintel free - Millenium compliant, Until 2247AD. http://www.ami.com.au/~richard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From richard@ami.com.au Fri Apr 2 18:40:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92714 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 18:40:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923072181:10:01706:0; Fri, 02 Apr 99 16:56:21 GMT Received: from netsrvr.ami.com.au ([203.55.31.38]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110214; 2 Apr 99 16:55 GMT Received: from richard.ami.com.au (ppp2.ami.com.au [203.55.31.98]) by netsrvr.ami.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA03624; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:53:48 +0800 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:51:37 +0800 (GMT) From: Richard Clark Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <92712@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: HILLSTART (08)9293 1463 Perth Australia. Return-Receipt-To: richard@ami.com.au X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] On Sat 03 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > >Hi this is not downloding properly / working? > >http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade251/index.html > > OK, I just tested it, and it *is* working now. > > The point is that the upgrades etc. are still available on the > web site - but of course no web site is guaranteed to work 100% > of the time. > > > > David Pilling Just had a fifth go and get as far as a save box op246zip and save this click and error, handle is either illegal or has been closed, and only 44246 bytes big. -- Richard, Jayne, Peter, Helen, Nicholas, and Laura. Wintel free - Millenium compliant, Until 2247AD. http://www.ami.com.au/~richard From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 18:40:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92715 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 18:40:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923070226:20:29940:23; Fri, 02 Apr 99 16:23:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029878; 2 Apr 99 16:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA13766 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:11:49 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13761 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:11:38 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10T6Yf-0003Zx-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:12:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 99 17:09:40 GMT Message-Id: <92712@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hi this is not downloding properly / working? >http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade251/index.html OK, I just tested it, and it *is* working now. The point is that the upgrades etc. are still available on the web site - but of course no web site is guaranteed to work 100% of the time. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 18:40:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92716 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 18:40:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923073054:20:13880:25; Fri, 02 Apr 99 17:10:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115399; 2 Apr 99 17:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA13925 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:54:33 +0100 Received: from netsrvr.ami.com.au (netsrvr.ami.com.au [203.55.31.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13920 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:53:06 +0100 Received: from richard.ami.com.au (ppp2.ami.com.au [203.55.31.98]) by netsrvr.ami.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA03624; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:53:48 +0800 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:51:37 +0800 (GMT) From: Richard Clark Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <92712@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: HILLSTART (08)9293 1463 Perth Australia. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 03 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > >Hi this is not downloding properly / working? > >http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade251/index.html > > OK, I just tested it, and it *is* working now. > > The point is that the upgrades etc. are still available on the > web site - but of course no web site is guaranteed to work 100% > of the time. > > > > David Pilling Just had a fifth go and get as far as a save box op246zip and save this click and error, handle is either illegal or has been closed, and only 44246 bytes big. -- Richard, Jayne, Peter, Helen, Nicholas, and Laura. Wintel free - Millenium compliant, Until 2247AD. http://www.ami.com.au/~richard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 20:56:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92720 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 20:56:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923081104:10:04233:21; Fri, 02 Apr 99 19:25:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124711; 2 Apr 99 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14245 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:07:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA14240 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:07:14 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.181) [193.149.71.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10T9Ib-0006xp-00; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:08:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:29:52 +0100 Subject: Re: New Hard Drive arrived today Message-ID: <48ec8cda71bric@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Rene Turner wrote: > Is there a later Version of !HForm I can find anywhere,.... > Is there a better Utility to set up my new drive with Partitions > to give me 3x Just under 2gb Partitions and one smaller for the > ballance.... Yes, you will need !HForm v2.50, but also some partitioning software. For the latter, which /may/ do the formatting as well, look at Dave Clare's web site which I believe is at http://www.stcoll.ac.uk/clares/ I believe Alsystems at http://alsystems.co.uk/ may have partioning software too (ExtendedADFS). Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 20:56:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92721 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 20:56:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923082542:10:23668:16; Fri, 02 Apr 99 19:49:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023557; 2 Apr 99 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14377 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:40:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA14372 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:39:50 +0100 Received: from (194.69.101.153) [194.69.101.153] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10T9oA-0007Ul-00; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:40:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 20:15:17 +0100 Subject: Re: New Hard Drive arrived today..... Message-ID: <48ec9680f8df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , F.R. Polak wrote: > In on Fri 02 Apr, Nico ter Haar wrote: > > In on Fri 02 Apr, Rene Turner wrote: > > > Hello Everybody, > > > Sorry I am "Spamming" this to so many of you, especially > > > as I am spamming Lists, for ANT Suite, and OvationPro..... > > > < he he... stayed on topic...... sort of.... giggle> > > > > > HForm 1.50 (or was it 2.50) should do it. > > Check the Cybervillage. > > > > > > > > Where do I find it..... Buy it... getit..... use it.... > > > > > Yes 2.50 it is, but how do you partition the drive with that, instead of > formatting the whole drive? IIRC version 2.50 can be found among the New Boot stuff as well. I also have a vague recollection that Clares do something called BDFS that partitions IDE harddrives... sales@claresmicro.com but you have to pay lolly for it. (25 Ukp) Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 22:15:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92730 for opro ; Fri, 02 Apr 99 22:15:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923086879:20:18813:17; Fri, 02 Apr 99 21:01:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018782; 2 Apr 99 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA14512 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:47:02 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA14506 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:46:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 801 invoked from network); 2 Apr 1999 20:53:57 -0000 Received: from 66-147.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.147) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 2 Apr 1999 20:53:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 22:31:09 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Chapter numbers Message-ID: <9a1b1fec48%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all, I have a document in which I want to create an 'Introductory' chapter, before chapter 1. Does anyone know how to restart chapter numbers at 1 for the second master page chapter? Thanks. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 3 13:55:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92747 for opro ; Sat, 03 Apr 99 13:55:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923105836:10:28575:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 02:17:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028459; 3 Apr 99 2:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA14820 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:06:50 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA14812 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:06:29 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10TFqP-0001Ji-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:07:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 99 01:47:09 GMT Message-Id: <92742@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Chapter numbers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does anyone know how to restart chapter numbers at 1 for the second master >page chapter? Main Menu -> Misc -> Document Preferences -> Start Chapter Number - set to zero. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 3 13:55:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92748 for opro ; Sat, 03 Apr 99 13:55:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923105906:10:29470:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 02:18:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123582; 3 Apr 99 2:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA14819 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:06:49 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA14808 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:06:27 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10TFqN-0001Ji-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:07:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 99 01:42:44 GMT Message-Id: <92740@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just had a fifth go and get as far as a save box op246zip and save this click >and error, handle is either illegal or has been closed, >and only 44246 bytes big. Well I just downloaded the whole file, all 400K of it, and it was OK. So please lets have no more of these allegations that the files on the web site are corrupt. Alas between the file on the netlink server and your computer there's a lot of scope for things to go wrong. I will admit that earlier on tonight performance was slow. But I don't know who to blame for that. When I did the entire dload it only took a handful of minutes. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 3 13:55:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92749 for opro ; Sat, 03 Apr 99 13:55:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923131015:20:01115:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 09:16:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000940; 3 Apr 99 9:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA15421 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:04:14 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15416 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:03:58 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-109.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.109]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA16670 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:05:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:05:00 +0100 (BST) From: Alfred Chamings Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <92703@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 02 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > >Does anyone have a 2.51 upgrade they could send me, please? > > Why don't you just get it off the Beebug (www.beebug.com) web site? > > Well, I would have said of course I've 'bin there, tried that, got some message - this page no longer exists', but I have just tried again and it worked. One of the mysteries of the Web, perhaps. I should have followed the Robert the Bruce dictum. Sorry for the false alarm. Thanks to Richard for the help! Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 3 13:55:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92750 for opro ; Sat, 03 Apr 99 13:55:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923106942:10:13056:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 02:35:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012937; 3 Apr 99 2:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA15114 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:27:18 +0100 Received: from indigo.cobweb.com.au (indigo.cobweb.com.au [203.28.57.10]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA15109 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:27:05 +0100 Received: from bmcelroy.cobweb.com.au (p034.cobweb.com.au [203.26.231.34]) by indigo.cobweb.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA20389 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:01:43 +0930 (ACST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:57:43 +0930 (GMT) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: Chapter numbers To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <9a1b1fec48%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 02 Apr, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a document in which I want to create an 'Introductory' chapter, before > chapter 1. > > Does anyone know how to restart chapter numbers at 1 for the second master > page chapter? > > Thanks. > Brian. > I simply number it 0 (zero) and put nothing on the page, footer etc. Chapter numbers then correspond with actual chapter numbers. Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:bmcelroy@cobweb.com.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 3 13:55:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92753 for opro ; Sat, 03 Apr 99 13:55:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923138259:10:27198:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 11:17:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121571; 3 Apr 99 11:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15674 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:05:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15669 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:04:48 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10TOEx-000ANk-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:05:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:53:12 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: Ovation In-Reply-To: <92701@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 02 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > I do have one other insight, this is that what the Acorn world really wants > is 'Impression'. No surprise, its been in use for a long time, people are > accustomed to it. I would say that our biggest mistake was to not have just > copied Impression or at the very least to have supported loading Impression > files. > > One of the most common reactions when I was writing OPro was "oh good, that > will make CC improve Impression". > > So Gerald, thats where you should be concentrating your attempts on taking over > a DTP program. Stop it, David. Impression isn't a patch on OP. What we need to do is to give sight to the blind users of Impression, who can't see what they are missing, and this is something I am trying to do at the moment. What I would say is: WILL SOMEONE WRITE A BLEEDIN' IMPRESSION LOADER! Is it really that difficult? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 3 13:56:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92755 for opro ; Sat, 03 Apr 99 13:56:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923139971:20:06902:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 11:46:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006521; 3 Apr 99 11:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15803 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:34:00 +0100 Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15795 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:33:46 +0100 Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id MAA10630 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:22:54 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29934; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:09:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 19:03:58 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 Message-ID: <48EC8FF9C9%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48ebea8babrayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48ebea8babrayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > I would quite happily pay for upgrades directly to David, Me too. > but I do resent very much paying Beebug, who in my opinion are just > trying to make last minute bucks out of Risc OS users that they have > left for good. Really Ray, I can't understand where you can have got such an idea, especially as Mr Beebug himself has just told me we've been up-front since 1982, and never done a "Watford Electronics" on anyone. Indeed he seemed rather resentful of a query which I emailed in response to a recent Beebug advertisement. May be you don't trust us, Not trust them? I must be the most trusting Acorn user around, as evidenced by a vast pile of unusable software and broken hardware, for all of which I've paid good money. Whether I'll pay any more to Beebug... Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 3 15:26:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92766 for opro ; Sat, 03 Apr 99 15:26:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923146519:20:12928:17; Sat, 03 Apr 99 13:35:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012926; 3 Apr 99 13:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA15968 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:26:02 +0100 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15963 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:25:50 +0100 Received: from modem4294967231.religion.dialup.pol.co.uk ([195.92.3.193] helo=magray.swinternet.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10TQRw-0002Dy-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:27:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 13:44:23 +0100 Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 Message-ID: <48ecf68d85rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48EC8FF9C9%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> References: <48ebea8babrayd@argonet.co.uk> <48EC8FF9C9%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48EC8FF9C9%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Chris Manning wrote: > Not trust them? I must be the most trusting Acorn user around, as > evidenced by a vast pile of unusable software and broken hardware, > for all of which I've paid good money. Whether I'll pay any more > to Beebug... I bought Chartwell - which wouldn't work until their software manager (Ian Wallace) fixed it. Unfortunately, he only worked two days a week, so it took a while. The promised updates never materialised. Back in the early days of the internet I bought a modem from them - which wouldn't work. Neither would the replacement(s). I found out that there was a batch of USR modems that would just /not/ work on Acorn machines, and Beebug had bought the lot. After an extremly unpleasant telephone conversation with Sheridam Williams, they finally agreed to a refund - but only because I was going to take it to the shop and get them to demonstrate it working, which of course they couldn't. One of their tech support guys was honest enough to admit that they had bought duff stock, which had been returned, but they were being sticky with customers that had bought from them. Not a nice firm to do business with, but unfortunately the only plave I could get OP when it first came out. Cheers, Ray D -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 3 15:26:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92767 for opro ; Sat, 03 Apr 99 15:26:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923147083:10:21439:17; Sat, 03 Apr 99 13:44:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021364; 3 Apr 99 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA16022 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:35:39 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16017 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:35:27 +0100 Received: from modem-63.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.93.191] helo=madsoft) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10TQbF-0007pr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:36:38 +0100 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:43:10 +0100 From: Peter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Postscript output Message-ID: <5974ebec48%Peter@freeserve.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, A quick question for all you postscipt experts! I am producing a full colour booklet (8 sides of A5) that will be professionally printed from a postscript file - well that's the plan anyway. What Postscript driver should I use? Postscript level1 or level2? I have !Printers version 1.54. Also, the booklet is full colour so do I need to produce a file for each separation, ie C, Y, M, and K or just one composite one? I've got the colour supplement so I can do that if necessary. Thanks, Peter. --------------------------------------------------------- Visit my website: http://compsoc.man.ac.uk/~ulkesh/peter/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 3 16:39:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92774 for opro ; Sat, 03 Apr 99 16:39:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923150081:10:00323:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 14:34:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000257; 3 Apr 99 14:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA16202 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:25:50 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16197 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:25:39 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10TRNp-0005ut-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:26:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 99 15:16:06 GMT Message-Id: <92763@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future of Ovation X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Stop it, David. Impression isn't a patch on OP. Actually the best idea, and I did suggest this to Beebug long ago, would be to buy Impression off CC, hack out the file format and anything else thats worth saving and merge it into OPro. Thus producing one program for the whole market. The trouble (IMHO) with Impression is all that hand written ARM code that they boasted of in the early days, which by now will be an impenetrable jungle. OPro being written in C is a lot cleaner and could relatively easily be ported to other platforms. >What I would say is: WILL SOMEONE WRITE A BLEEDIN' IMPRESSION LOADER! Anyone want to sell me a StrongArm copy of Publisher Plus?, or the source code if anyone from CC's reading this 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 3 16:39:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92775 for opro ; Sat, 03 Apr 99 16:39:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923151380:10:16147:22; Sat, 03 Apr 99 14:56:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118706; 3 Apr 99 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA16296 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:47:05 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16291 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:46:53 +0100 Received: from modem-11.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.45.11] helo=loopback) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10TRiM-00012z-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:48:04 +0100 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 15:25:14 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future of Ovation Message-ID: <48ECFFC90E%snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Beyond the reality barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (08 Oct 1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Alan Muscat wrote: > What I would say is: WILL SOMEONE WRITE A BLEEDIN' IMPRESSION LOADER! > Is it really that difficult? I would guess almost certainly "yes" for two reasons: 1) If it where easy someone would have done it by now. 2) I suspect the Impression save format and quite possibly the OPro save format as well are simply memory dumps of the document as stored by the program. Therefore, to perform a conversion you have to understand every neuance of the program which created it. Remember where not talking about converting HTML where all the special commands are nicely delimited by container characters. You really have to know how many bytes each command will take to be able to parse it and there is absolutely no room for error. -- (\/)atthew Hambley --------------\ "Tell me what you know or I'll pee in \ your ear!" snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk \ - Gaspode interogates a Gargoyle http://www.therealm.freeserve.co.uk \------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92783 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923155677:10:19018:17; Sat, 03 Apr 99 16:07:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018797; 3 Apr 99 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA16508 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:54:42 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16503 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:54:30 +0100 Received: from [158.152.73.37] (helo=spcap.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10TSlq-0006yU-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:55:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:54:56 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: OvationPro List In-Reply-To: <92763@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Sat 03 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > Anyone want to sell me a StrongArm copy of Publisher Plus? I could *lend* you one ;-> -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92784 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923173162:20:20812:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 20:59:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119196; 3 Apr 99 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA17468 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:45:38 +0100 Received: from mhub1.tc.umn.edu (mhub1.tc.umn.edu [160.94.5.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17463 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:45:26 +0100 Received: from [207.58.18.61] by mhub1.tc.umn.edu for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:46:31 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 14:45:55 -0600 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future of Ovation Message-Id: <49a322ed48%gta@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: <92763@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: University of Minnesota X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <92763@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >Stop it, David. Impression isn't a patch on OP. > > Actually the best idea, and I did suggest this to Beebug long ago, > would be to buy Impression off CC, hack out the file format and anything > else thats worth saving and merge it into OPro. Thus producing one program > for the whole market. > > The trouble (IMHO) with Impression is all that hand written ARM code > that they boasted of in the early days, which by now will be an > impenetrable jungle. OPro being written in C is a lot cleaner and > could relatively easily be ported to other platforms. > > > >What I would say is: WILL SOMEONE WRITE A BLEEDIN' IMPRESSION LOADER! > > Anyone want to sell me a StrongArm copy of Publisher Plus?, or the > source code if anyone from CC's reading this 8-) Maybe you (or someone) should propose it to CC, then. I know they must have wanted an enormous amount of money for the Impression source in the past - or was that the Artworks story? - but surely its "value" must be decreasing over time. Though I also wonder if the above plan would be economically viable at this point - it would probably have made more sense at the beginning of OPro's creation. Perhaps it's another of these things which has to wait for signs of success or otherwise of RISCOS Ltd, and Beebugs reaction. Graham -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92785 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923164300:10:08302:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 18:31:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008180; 3 Apr 99 18:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16701 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:22:46 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16696 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:22:34 +0100 Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10TV58-0000zm-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:23:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:14:09 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: Ovation list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Gerald, > I believe that Ovation will continue to exist as long as > we, the users, want it to. > > Whilst we might have to pay Beebug because of an 'old' contract > (between Beebug and David Pilling) which is no longer appropriate > to the current situation, there is nothing stopping us from > sending some money to David as well. Of course you may think that > you are paying for the same thing twice (once to David - where you > get some value, and then to Beebug - where you seem to be paying > for nothing) but that seems to me to be the nature of the situation. > > Another possibility is that those of us with Ovation who want David > to keep it up and running (with the sort of support only he and not > Beebug can give) might consider clubbing together and buying David out > of his contract with Beebug. This would mean a lump sum from every > user who wants to 'join the club'. > > Perhaps David could find out how much Beebug want to terminate his > contract with them and then we could register (with David) our > 'provisional' interest. David could then divide the amount Beebug > want by the number who have said they are interested and let us > know the size of the bill each of us would face. Then we have > to make the decision whether to 'join the club' or not. > > Of course, once David is free from his onerous contract with > Beebug those who have 'joined the club' should get their upgrades > (directly from David) at a price which is lower than those who > did not 'join'. > > > As I see the overall situation either we get together and pay > David one way or another (if necessary paying Beebug as well) > or David will have to stop work on Ovation. > > > I have anoather suggestion and that is to find a somebody who > will write a 'new' DTP which will allow the import of Ovation > files. We could finance that somebody to write the program and > we, not Beebug, would own it! It would be nice if that somebody > had access to (and some sort of licence to use) Ovation code in > the 'new' DTP. I don't know to what extent Beebug 'own' the > rights to the Ovation code but it might be cheaper for the 'club' > to buy some rights to it than to buy David out of his current > contract. I have no doubts whom I would choose to be that > 'somebody' who writes the successor to Ovation. > These are interesting and *positive* suggestions. Thank you. Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92786 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923179997:20:20205:21; Sat, 03 Apr 99 22:53:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113758; 3 Apr 99 22:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17727 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 23:43:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17722 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 23:43:05 +0100 Received: from [158.152.202.190] (helo=awoods.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10TZ9I-000PJp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:44:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:42:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Allan Woods Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: Ovation list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 02 Apr, Ovation Pro wrote: > The Future of Ovation Count me in! Allan> -- Allan Woods, Greenock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92787 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923164468:10:10546:17; Sat, 03 Apr 99 18:34:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127661; 3 Apr 99 18:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16728 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:24:52 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16720 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:24:38 +0100 Received: from [212.126.146.41] (helo=dawson) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10TV78-0001Fw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:25:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 16:25:16 +0100 Subject: Re: Future of Ovation Message-ID: <48ed054842rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <92763@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <92763@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA16721 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB16728 In article <92763@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > OPro being written in C is a lot cleaner and could relatively easily > be ported to other platforms. Does that mean you might write a PC version if there were enough users? I'm not=A0joking. One of the apparent advantages of Pipedream was its interchangeability with the PC version, and hasn't Iota done the same thing with DataPower? A nice compact Ovation Pro on a 400MHz PII would really fly :-) Now that Chios probably won't happen, a PC port of my favourite Risc OS program would be very welcome. Now if only JSD would port Pluto ... Cheers, Ray D --=20 ..=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92788 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923181576:20:10734:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 23:19:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109707; 3 Apr 99 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA17820 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:10:49 +0100 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA17815 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:10:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 27220 invoked from network); 3 Apr 1999 23:11:53 -0000 Received: from useraf45.uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwywc97@ukgateway.net) (62.188.132.32) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 1999 23:11:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: User mailings Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 23:20:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Pointer to Key Message-ID: <48ed2b4612rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , J W B Greenwood wrote: > Whilst I'm happily but slowly progressing with my exploration of > Ovation Pro I've been intrigued by the appearance of the image of a > mortise lock key as a substitute for the caret on occasions. A trawl > through the manual hasn't been successful in solving the question of > why (?). Could someone point me at the page number please ? Or if > there isn't one tell me why it happens. It means that OP thinks you are trying to move a locked frame (usually the default master frame). It happens sometimes when I try and grab something near the edge of the frame. Cheers, Ray D -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92791 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923166310:10:04067:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 19:05:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003876; 3 Apr 99 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16987 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:54:42 +0100 Received: from online.no (pilt-s.online.no [148.122.208.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16980 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:54:20 +0100 Received: from pixeleye.online.no (ti34a24-0089.dialup.online.no [130.67.64.217]) by online.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA26988 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:55:30 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:55:15 +0100 (GMT+1) From: "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" Subject: Re: Postscript output To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <5974ebec48%Peter@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Novus Ordo Seclorum - fnord, fnord, fnord. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 03 Apr, Peter wrote: > Hi, > > A quick question for all you postscipt experts! I am producing a full > colour booklet (8 sides of A5) that will be professionally printed from > a postscript file - well that's the plan anyway. > > What Postscript driver should I use? Postscript level1 or level2? I have > !Printers version 1.54. Use the Linotronic 200 definition file. > Also, the booklet is full colour so do I need to produce a file for each > separation, ie C, Y, M, and K or just one composite one? I've got the > colour supplement so I can do that if necessary. Depends what the imagesetter wants. Unless they specify othervise, a composite file containing all seps should be fine. -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@online.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92793 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923166739:10:09689:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 19:12:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108282; 3 Apr 99 19:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16985 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:54:30 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16975 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:54:14 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.109] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10TVWa-0006iw-00; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:52:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:21:24 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Pointer to Key To: User mailings Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Whilst I'm happily but slowly progressing with my exploration of Ovation Pro I've been intrigued by the appearance of the image of a mortise lock key as a substitute for the caret on occasions. A trawl through the manual hasn't been successful in solving the question of why (?). Could someone point me at the page number please ? Or if there isn't one tell me why it happens. -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92797 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923170367:10:23278:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 20:12:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112356; 3 Apr 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA17242 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:03:14 +0100 Received: from mail-relay.power.net.uk (mail-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17237 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:03:02 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust70.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.70]) by mail-relay.power.net.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA26153 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:01:14 +0100 (GMT/BST) Received: from catchline (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:39:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:39:47 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript output Message-ID: <5f951ced48%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" wrote: > On Sat 03 Apr, Peter wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A quick question for all you postscipt experts! I am producing a full > > colour booklet (8 sides of A5) that will be professionally printed from > > a postscript file - well that's the plan anyway. > > > > What Postscript driver should I use? Postscript level1 or level2? I have > > !Printers version 1.54. > > Use the Linotronic 200 definition file. > > > Also, the booklet is full colour so do I need to produce a file for each > > separation, ie C, Y, M, and K or just one composite one? I've got the > > colour supplement so I can do that if necessary. > > Depends what the imagesetter wants. Unless they specify othervise, a > composite file containing all seps should be fine. You really need to ask the bureau/printer who will be dealing with your job. Some use imposition software which takes seprated postscript and which allows them to reset resolutions etc exactly as they want. It hardly matters what driver you then use, since the differences between the printer definitions is rather subtle. Others may be very choosy about the flavour of postscript you supply (or rather, their RIPs are). But getting a full colour job through using postscript can be quite a hairy matter: ideally you would need to see a cromolin or equivalent to check proofs, but that can add considerably to the cost. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92799 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923170500:10:24836:18; Sat, 03 Apr 99 20:15:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024686; 3 Apr 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA17266 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:05:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA17258 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:04:57 +0100 Received: from (194.69.99.61) [194.69.99.61] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10TWgC-0000uG-00; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:06:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(John & Chris Price) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:05:48 +0100 X-Organization: Everymans, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: Future of Ovation Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 3 Apr 1999 (16:25:16 +0100), rayd@argonet.co.uk waffled on and on and on and on and on and on about: > > OPro being written in C is a lot cleaner and could relatively easily > > be ported to other platforms. > > Does that mean you might write a PC version if there were enough users? I bet everyone would _flock_ to buy it! Then the proceeds could go towards finacing the Acorn version! Brilliant! Just a thought, Peter. -- Everymans Wine, Tel: +44 (0) 1743 36 24 66 100 Frankwell, Shrewsbury, Fax: +44 (0) 1743 23 12 48 United Kingdom, SY3 8JS. WWW: http://www.everymans.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:31:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92801 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:31:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923173224:10:27759:16; Sat, 03 Apr 99 21:00:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101145; 3 Apr 99 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA17506 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:50:36 +0100 Received: from mhub1.tc.umn.edu (mhub1.tc.umn.edu [160.94.5.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17498 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:50:22 +0100 Received: from [207.58.18.61] by mhub1.tc.umn.edu for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:51:34 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 14:48:04 -0600 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future of Ovation Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <48ed054842rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: University of Minnesota X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA17499 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB17506 In message <48ed054842rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <92763@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > OPro being written in C is a lot cleaner and could relatively easily > > be ported to other platforms. >=20 > Does that mean you might write a PC version if there were enough users? >=20 > I'm not=A0joking. One of the apparent advantages of Pipedream was its > interchangeability with the PC version, and hasn't Iota done the same > thing with DataPower? >=20 > A nice compact Ovation Pro on a 400MHz PII would really fly :-) By "PC version", I hope you mean linux :-) Though an important criterion for any PC (ok, Windows) program, I suspect, would be more support for file format interchange (Word? PageMaker? Quark?), which sounds like a big job! Graham -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92808 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923234200:10:04049:16; Sun, 04 Apr 99 13:56:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120827; 4 Apr 99 13:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA18548 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:44:01 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18543 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:43:46 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10TnD1-0003ZE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:45:08 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:18:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAA18544 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB18548 In on Sat 03 Apr, Graham Allan wrote: > In message <48ed054842rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: >=20 > > In article <92763@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > OPro being written in C is a lot cleaner and could relatively easil= y > > > be ported to other platforms. > >=20 > > Does that mean you might write a PC version if there were enough user= s? > >=20 > > I'm not=A0joking. One of the apparent advantages of Pipedream was its > > interchangeability with the PC version, and hasn't Iota done the same > > thing with DataPower? > >=20 > > A nice compact Ovation Pro on a 400MHz PII would really fly :-) >=20 > By "PC version", I hope you mean linux :-) There isn't a true Linux DTP program yet. I don't know what will give you more profits; 1% of the Wintel market or 50% of the Linux market. Check Impulse intentions/progress for a RO GUI and RO fontmanager for Linux as well. I think the way David used to work (before coop. with BeeBug) will fit the Linux scene better than the Wintel world. =20 > Though an important criterion for any PC (ok, Windows) program, I > suspect, would be more support for file format interchange (Word? > PageMaker? Quark?), which sounds like a big job! For Linux a TeX, Word and WordPerfect file interchange will be important. That way the office suits of Linux and some cross platform file exchanges are covered. GhostScript could produce the PDFs for DTP file interchange. There are other ways to support David for the moment without subsidising BeeBug; he has other software that might of interest to you. If David could do something on drivers in general next to his Twain drivers it could cut both ways; keep RISC OS and David's business alive. The Canon range of digital camera's (Twain) and printers for example.=20 Ernst --=20 Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metr= ic -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92809 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923253098:20:14814:16; Sun, 04 Apr 99 19:11:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014702; 4 Apr 99 19:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA19059 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:02:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA19054 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:01:54 +0100 Received: from (194.69.100.98) [194.69.100.98] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10TsAx-0007Xw-00; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:03:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Anthony Humphreys To: User mailings Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 22:04:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Pointer to Key Message-ID: <48ed245c0ftony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , J W B Greenwood wrote: > Whilst I'm happily but slowly progressing with my exploration of > Ovation Pro I've been intrigued by the appearance of the image of a > mortise lock key as a substitute for the caret on occasions. A trawl > through the manual hasn't been successful in solving the question of > why (?). Could someone point me at the page number please ? Or if > there isn't one tell me why it happens. > -- > brooke@parkroad.u-net.com The key indicates a frame that is on the master page and can only be altered by viewing the master page. cheers, Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92811 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923256090:20:24208:16; Sun, 04 Apr 99 20:01:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024142; 4 Apr 99 20:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA19364 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:51:30 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA19358 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:51:18 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.74] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10TstY-0006Ey-00; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:49:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:56:00 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Pointer to Key To: User mailings In-Reply-To: <48ed2b4612rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 03 Apr, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , > J W B Greenwood wrote: > > Whilst I'm happily but slowly progressing with my exploration of > > Ovation Pro I've been intrigued by the appearance of the image of a > > mortise lock key as a substitute for the caret on occasions. A trawl > > through the manual hasn't been successful in solving the question of > > why (?). Could someone point me at the page number please ? Or if > > there isn't one tell me why it happens. > > It means that OP thinks you are trying to move a locked frame (usually the > default master frame). It happens sometimes when I try and grab something > near the edge of the frame. > Got it, thanks; and for all other answers too. Brooke. -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92810 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923237033:10:08837:16; Sun, 04 Apr 99 14:43:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112089; 4 Apr 99 14:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA18692 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:30:30 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18686 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:30:17 +0100 Received: from modem-93.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.12.93] helo=wallace) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Tnw3-0001UB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:31:40 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01be7ea7$c3ca3600$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Postscript output Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:31:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hi, > >A quick question for all you postscipt experts! I am producing a full >colour booklet (8 sides of A5) that will be professionally printed from >a postscript file - well that's the plan anyway. > >What Postscript driver should I use? Postscript level1 or level2? I have >!Printers version 1.54. Sveinung and David G have answered most of the above. I'd add that Level 2 is probably fine if you haven't got any sprites in the booklet (vector images and text are fine). If you do have sprites then I'd stick with Level 1 to be on the safe side, as there's a bug in the Level 2 driver that *sometimes* causes jobs to fail (it's an error in the routines that compress the bitmaps). When it all works, PS is fine - it can however be a black art trying to solve problems sometimes... Good luck, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Proprietor, Pinxit Design ~ for Internet and print mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92814 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923268705:20:05377:16; Sun, 04 Apr 99 23:31:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100193; 4 Apr 99 23:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA20066 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:23:06 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA20060 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:22:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 23542 invoked from network); 4 Apr 1999 23:29:08 -0000 Received: from 66-251.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.251) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 1999 23:29:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 20:50:43 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pointer to Key Message-ID: <746ba1ed48%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48ed2b4612rayd@argonet.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48ed2b4612rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , > J W B Greenwood wrote: > > Whilst I'm happily but slowly progressing with my exploration of > > Ovation Pro I've been intrigued by the appearance of the image of a > > mortise lock key as a substitute for the caret on occasions. A trawl > > through the manual hasn't been successful in solving the question of > > why (?). Could someone point me at the page number please ? Or if > > there isn't one tell me why it happens. > > It means that OP thinks you are trying to move a locked frame (usually the > default master frame). It happens sometimes when I try and grab something > near the edge of the frame. > I think it also appears when you try to move a graphic that has been locked in place in a frame. (It might not be in the manual) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92815 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923257613:10:00786:16; Sun, 04 Apr 99 20:26:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000629; 4 Apr 99 20:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA19501 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:17:20 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA19496 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:17:09 +0100 Received: from (193.149.87.145) [193.149.87.145] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10TtLm-0000zZ-00; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:18:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: User mailings Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 21:14:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Pointer to Key Message-ID: <48eda39068df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48ed245c0ftony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> References: <48ed245c0ftony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48ed245c0ftony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, Anthony Humphreys wrote: > In article , > J W B Greenwood wrote: > > Whilst I'm happily but slowly progressing with my exploration of > > Ovation Pro I've been intrigued by the appearance of the image of a > > mortise lock key as a substitute for the caret on occasions. A trawl > > through the manual hasn't been successful in solving the question of > > why (?). Could someone point me at the page number please ? Or if > > there isn't one tell me why it happens. > > -- > > brooke@parkroad.u-net.com > The key indicates a frame that is on the master page and can only be > altered by viewing the master page. > cheers, > Tony. Sorry not quite the complete answer... yes it does happen in your noted case, but the key also appears if you try and move any locked object/frame... be it on a master page or on the front of a document. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92817 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923257833:10:03210:22; Sun, 04 Apr 99 20:30:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119752; 4 Apr 99 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA19596 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:21:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19587 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:21:04 +0100 Received: from [158.152.251.209] (helo=bifrost.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10TtPY-0003nq-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:22:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by bifrost.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 14:40:47 GMT Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 16:39:25 +0100 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future of Ovation Message-ID: <48ED8A69E0%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ernst Dinkla wrote: > Check Impulse intentions/progress for a RO GUI and RO fontmanager for > Linux as well. Info on this is where? Cheers. -- Be seeing you, Sam. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92816 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923270328:20:27128:16; Sun, 04 Apr 99 23:58:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027106; 4 Apr 99 23:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA20204 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:50:36 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20199 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:50:23 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1282.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.2]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA24430; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:50:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:55:46 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: Ovation cc: Ovation , Alan Muscat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA20200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB20204 On Sat 03 Apr, Alan Muscat wrote: > On Fri 02 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > What I would say is: WILL SOMEONE WRITE A BLEEDIN' IMPRESSION=20 LOADER! Hello, If you mean the total file 'as is', with graphics, lay out and text, yes, probably impossible. The USP's in OP are however so much stronger than the ones for Impression (alt-drag to copy a file to a next page, rotating text in free-form frames- are only two examples but there are more). I remember that CC stu= ck to CtrlC-ctrlV because Mac users were used to these commands(...). Anyway, I have hundreds of documents produced in Impression but I only ha= d to convert a few to OP and that was easyly done; many were so outdated th= at there was no use to convert and I think that the same goes for many peopl= e. I admit that it took me some time to switch from Imp to OP but especially after the PostScript-features became as powerful in Op as in Imp I dared = to make the jump. Count your blessings; have a good look at a Quark-user on a Mac. Not only does he have to deal with one(!) mousebutton and stupid pull down menu's,= no he paid at least =A3 700,00 to have it going and when an update appears h= e has to decide within 7 days to buy it because after that period he has to pay the full price (=A3 700,00!!!) for the new version -and it's still a prog= ram that is much too complicated and based on the infantility of the average MacDonalds visitor (in the USA, that is no offense Americano's but I'm always surprised to acknowledge so much simplemindedness on a continent that also produces geniuses, albeit merely Jewish refugees and their kin). Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,=20 Andr=E9 van den Berg ecdbv@xs4all.nl Many people know the price of things, not many the value.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From pebbles@eurobell.co.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92821 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923268198:10:17057:1; Sun, 04 Apr 99 23:23:18 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net ([212.24.65.70]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016776; 4 Apr 99 23:22 GMT Received: (qmail 23537 invoked from network); 4 Apr 1999 23:29:07 -0000 Received: from 66-251.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.251) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 1999 23:29:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 20:41:27 +0000 From: Brian O'Carroll To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Chapter numbers Message-ID: <4592a0ed48%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <92742@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k In message <92742@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >Does anyone know how to restart chapter numbers at 1 for the second master > >page chapter? > > Main Menu -> Misc -> Document Preferences -> Start Chapter Number - set to zero. > > David Pilling Oh yes, there it is! I was looking in master page menus for something that said "Restart chapter number from..." in the same way page numbering works. Thanks. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92822 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923268720:10:23505:16; Sun, 04 Apr 99 23:32:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106043; 4 Apr 99 23:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA20068 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:23:10 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA20056 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:22:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 23537 invoked from network); 4 Apr 1999 23:29:07 -0000 Received: from 66-251.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.251) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 1999 23:29:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 20:41:27 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Chapter numbers Message-ID: <4592a0ed48%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <92742@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <92742@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >Does anyone know how to restart chapter numbers at 1 for the second master > >page chapter? > > Main Menu -> Misc -> Document Preferences -> Start Chapter Number - set to zero. > > David Pilling Oh yes, there it is! I was looking in master page menus for something that said "Restart chapter number from..." in the same way page numbering works. Thanks. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92826 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923322303:20:02357:19; Mon, 05 Apr 99 14:25:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002344; 5 Apr 99 14:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA21164 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:13:39 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21159 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:13:28 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10UA7u-0006UO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:13:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:13:52 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: Ovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 05 Apr, Andr van den Berg wrote: > On Sat 03 Apr, Alan Muscat wrote: > > On Fri 02 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > > What I would say is: WILL SOMEONE WRITE A BLEEDIN' IMPRESSION > LOADER! > > Hello, > > If you mean the total file 'as is', with graphics, lay out and text, yes, > probably impossible. > > The USP's in OP are however so much stronger than the ones for Impression > (alt-drag to copy a file to a next page, rotating text in free-form > frames- are only two examples but there are more). I remember that CC stuck > to CtrlC-ctrlV because Mac users were used to these commands(...). > > Anyway, I have hundreds of documents produced in Impression but I only had > to convert a few to OP and that was easyly done; many were so outdated that > there was no use to convert and I think that the same goes for many people. > > I admit that it took me some time to switch from Imp to OP but especially > after the PostScript-features became as powerful in Op as in Imp I dared to > make the jump. > > Count your blessings; Don't misunderstand me, *I* don't want a Imp loader, but according to David, lack of an imp loader is the main problem getting converts. I too didn't have to convert many Imp docs. But if david is right, then I just wish we could knock that one on the head. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92824 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923270927:10:20528:18; Mon, 05 Apr 99 00:08:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020451; 5 Apr 99 0:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA20345 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:00:43 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20340 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:00:31 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1282.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.2]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA26551; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 02:00:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 02:06:05 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Samuel Penn In-Reply-To: <48ED8A69E0%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id BAA20341 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id BAB20345 On Sun 04 Apr, Samuel Penn wrote: > Info on this is where? Hello, One of my first questions -before we decided to invest a few Guineas in RISCOS Ltd was why the unique things we all appreciate in RISC OS should=20 and could not be exported to Linux/Unix.=20 The answer from one of those clever programmers -who managed to have=20 RISC OS4 nearly flawlessly running before they had the source code- that the security layers/levels in Linus and Unix are so strong that things li= ke drag 'n' drop were nearly impossible to implement. It's actually the lack= of security in RISC OS that makes it possible. And if I'm not mistaken, many= of the people who worked on RO were severe UNIX buffs. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl 'I'm an atheist but I don't practise anymore' =20 (mentioned by Herman Finkers, comedian born in Almelo, Holland, a town he describes with: 'the only excitement in Almelo? the working trafficlight= s') -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92827 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923327220:20:05712:16; Mon, 05 Apr 99 15:47:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005424; 5 Apr 99 15:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA21332 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:38:32 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21326 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:38:20 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.105.50]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA7441 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:46:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:29:54 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Pointer to Key To: User mailings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 03 Apr, J W B Greenwood wrote: > Whilst I'm happily but slowly progressing with my exploration of > Ovation Pro I've been intrigued by the appearance of the image of a > mortise lock key as a substitute for the caret on occasions. A trawl > through the manual hasn't been successful in solving the question of > why (?). Could someone point me at the page number please ? Or if > there isn't one tell me why it happens. > > This happens to me when I drag a draw file into a document for an illustration. If you simply pull the draw file into the document, you cannot move/relocate the image. However, the solution is to remember to create a frame within the document and drag the draw file into that frame. This can then be moved, resized etc at will. Not sure if this is the phenomenon you are describing but hope this helps. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:32:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92830 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:32:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923300095:10:24156:16; Mon, 05 Apr 99 08:14:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112351; 5 Apr 99 8:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA20845 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:05:52 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20840 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:05:40 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10U4O2-0006Yg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:05:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:22:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48ED8A69E0%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAA20841 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAB20845 In on Sun 04 Apr, Samuel Penn wrote: > In message > Ernst Dinkla wrote: >=20 > > Check Impulse intentions/progress for a RO GUI and RO fontmanager for > > Linux as well. >=20 > Info on this is where? Here: http://www.impulse.oaktree.co.uk/front.html Where you also can subscribe to a mailing list. Their view on an RO GUIded Linux differs from the view Andr=E9 wrote about. Linux isn't the panacea to all problems. I have a RedHat version for an Alpha here but it is too complicated for me and at the end of the day what does it offer to me, when there's still no good DTP and vector illustration program available on it. But that is also an invitation for porting some RO goods to Linux/Unix. Ernst --=20 Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metr= ic -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92837 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923331633:20:03267:16; Mon, 05 Apr 99 17:00:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003167; 5 Apr 99 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA21481 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:47:16 +0100 Received: from mail15.svr.pol.co.uk (mail15.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.25]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21476 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:47:04 +0100 Received: from modem-119.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.247] helo=madsoft) by mail15.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UCWn-0002ja-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:47:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:45:15 +0100 From: Peter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Postscript output Message-ID: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Hi, >> >> A quick question for all you postscipt experts! I am producing a full >> colour booklet (8 sides of A5) that will be professionally printed from >> a postscript file - well that's the plan anyway. >> >> What Postscript driver should I use? Postscript level1 or level2? I have >> !Printers version 1.54. > Sveinung and David G have answered most of the above. I'd add that Level 2 > is probably fine if you haven't got any sprites in the booklet (vector > images and text are fine). If you do have sprites then I'd stick with Level > 1 to be on the safe side, as there's a bug in the Level 2 driver that > *sometimes* causes jobs to fail (it's an error in the routines that compress > the bitmaps). When it all works, PS is fine - it can however be a black art > trying to solve problems sometimes... Thanks for all your help so far. Perhaps I should add that the OvationPro file is 10.7Mb and contains four 24bpp sprites and a complicated vector (a road map) created in Artworks. I have tried Postscript level 1 and it produced a 14.4Mb file, does this sound about right? I then checked this file using GhostScript and GView, the text seemed a bit blocky and not very clear, is that ok? or will it print like that? Also two of the images use the transparent mask which didn't work in the PostScript file. The bits that should be transparent were white instead. With all these potential problems I was wondering if there are any printers on this list who could take the OvationPro file and do the whole job for me from that, saving me the hassle of PostScript. If anyone would like to quote for the job then please e-mail me directly, p.daniel@madsoft.freeserve.co.uk, and I will send you more details. I require 50,000 (fifty-thousand) copies. Many thanks, Peter. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92839 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923332701:20:16776:18; Mon, 05 Apr 99 17:18:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103349; 5 Apr 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA21554 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:07:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21549 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:07:08 +0100 Received: from [158.152.251.209] (helo=bifrost.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UCqC-0004cP-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:07:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by bifrost.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 05 Apr 1999 12:46:41 GMT Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 13:19:12 +0100 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future of Ovation Message-ID: <48EDFBEB1D%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB21554 In message Ernst Dinkla wrote: > In on Sun 04 Apr, Samuel Penn wrote: > > In message > > Ernst Dinkla wrote: > >=20 > > > Check Impulse intentions/progress for a RO GUI and RO fontmanager f= or > > > Linux as well. > >=20 > > Info on this is where? >=20 > Here: >=20 > http://www.impulse.oaktree.co.uk/front.html Cheers. > Their view on an RO GUIded Linux differs from the view Andr=E9 wrote > about. Linux isn't the panacea to all problems. I have a RedHat version > for an Alpha here but it is too complicated for me and at the end of th= e > day what does it offer to me, when there's still no good DTP and vector > illustration program available on it. But that is also an invitation fo= r > porting some RO goods to Linux/Unix. Which is why I still use RISC OS. There are various works in the pipeline though - KOffice for instance will have DTP and illustration programs, but since it's still all in alpha, it's not too much use yet. Linux is getting there though. And what I *really* miss is anti-aliased fonts. I'll see what impulse has to offer, --=20 Be seeing you, Sam. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92840 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923337770:20:24341:16; Mon, 05 Apr 99 18:42:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101400; 5 Apr 99 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA21752 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:21:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA21747 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:21:08 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.167) [193.149.80.167] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10UDzp-0000Ah-00; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:21:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:59:22 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Apologies, but how do I suspend the list... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've tried: majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with SIGNOFF ovationp-l in the body (not subject line) And I've tried: maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk with SIGNOFF ovationp-l as the subject. And I've read the majordomo instructions. Am I just thick? Or am I missing something. Other lists allow a 'SUSPEND' command too. I'm just trying to avoid a couple of hundred posts in the next fortnight's holiday... An answer in the next 12 hours would be much appreciated: TIA. -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92838 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923337403:10:23383:18; Mon, 05 Apr 99 18:36:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023145; 5 Apr 99 18:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA21745 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:20:41 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21740 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:20:29 +0100 Received: from [212.126.145.185] (helo=dawson) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10UDzC-0002RU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:20:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 18:24:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Future of Ovation Message-ID: <48ee17d2d3rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48EDFBEB1D%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> References: <48EDFBEB1D%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b11 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA21741 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB21745 In article <48EDFBEB1D%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk>, Samuel Penn wrote: > > Their view on an RO GUIded Linux differs from the view Andr=E9 wrote > > about. Linux isn't the panacea to all problems. I have a RedHat > > version for an Alpha here but it is too complicated for me and at the > > end of the day what does it offer to me, when there's still no good > > DTP and vector illustration program available on it. But that is also > > an invitation for porting some RO goods to Linux/Unix. > Which is why I still use RISC OS. There are various works in the > pipeline though - KOffice for instance will have DTP and illustration > programs, but since it's still all in alpha, it's not too much use yet. > Linux is getting there though. What about Star Office? Isn't that an all singing/dancing suite of DTP/Office applications? Cheers, Ray D --=20 ..=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92841 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923338544:20:05008:17; Mon, 05 Apr 99 18:55:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004906; 5 Apr 99 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA21766 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:22:07 +0100 Received: from mail-relay.power.net.uk (mail-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21754 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:21:35 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust125.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.125]) by mail-relay.power.net.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA03876 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:18:44 +0100 (GMT/BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:20:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:20:59 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript output Message-ID: <7ba1dee48%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Peter wrote: > > >> Hi, > >> > >> A quick question for all you postscipt experts! I am producing a full > >> colour booklet (8 sides of A5) that will be professionally printed from > >> a postscript file - well that's the plan anyway. > >> > >> What Postscript driver should I use? Postscript level1 or level2? I have > >> !Printers version 1.54. > > > Sveinung and David G have answered most of the above. I'd add that Level 2 > > is probably fine if you haven't got any sprites in the booklet (vector > > images and text are fine). If you do have sprites then I'd stick with Level > > 1 to be on the safe side, as there's a bug in the Level 2 driver that > > *sometimes* causes jobs to fail (it's an error in the routines that compress > > the bitmaps). When it all works, PS is fine - it can however be a black art > > trying to solve problems sometimes... > > Thanks for all your help so far. Perhaps I should add that the > OvationPro file is 10.7Mb and contains four 24bpp sprites and a > complicated vector (a road map) created in Artworks. > > I have tried Postscript level 1 and it produced a 14.4Mb file, does this > sound about right? I then checked this file using GhostScript and GView, > the text seemed a bit blocky and not very clear, is that ok? or will it > print like that? Also two of the images use the transparent mask which > didn't work in the PostScript file. The bits that should be transparent > were white instead. > > With all these potential problems I was wondering if there are any > printers on this list who could take the OvationPro file and do the > whole job for me from that, saving me the hassle of PostScript. > > If anyone would like to quote for the job then please e-mail me > directly, p.daniel@madsoft.freeserve.co.uk, and I will send you more > details. I require 50,000 (fifty-thousand) copies. > > Many thanks, > Peter. > If your text looks blocky, it may be because you are using fonts which are neither Type 1, nor mapped to a standard postcript font. It is best to use fonts for which you have the Type 1 version as well as the Risc Os screenn fonts. If you have only the latter (the usual position unless you have installed Type 1 fonts specially) then your fonts will be embedded in the postscript output as 'Type C'. This will make them look clunky on a low resolution device (such as a screen), a little heavy on a standard laser printer, and probably OK on a high resolution Imagesetter. But you may have problems with the output if you are 'hardwiring' a low resolution into the postscript output and using a printer who can't change it. If you want 50,000 copies then I really recommend that you get film separations run out by a bureau who can handle the native OvPro files. It won't add so much to the final cost for a large print run, it will take away many of the worries about whether the graphics will come out properly, and you can then use virtually any printer you want! T-J Repro and Micro Laser Graphics should both be able to handle your ovation files. I think both could quote you for printing as well. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92845 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923348680:10:02657:20; Mon, 05 Apr 99 21:44:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002301; 5 Apr 99 21:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA22185 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:32:00 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22180 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:31:47 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA13661 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:22:46 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-34.access.ch [195.112.69.162]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA14449 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:09:38 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:10:04 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <48ecf68d85rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA22181 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB22185 On Sat 03 Apr, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <48EC8FF9C9%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, > Chris Manning wrote: >=20 > > Not trust them? I must be the most trusting Acorn user around, as > > evidenced by a vast pile of unusable software and broken hardware, > > for all of which I've paid good money. Whether I'll pay any more > > to Beebug... >=20 > I bought Chartwell - which wouldn't work until their software manager (= Ian > Wallace) fixed it. Unfortunately, he only worked two days a week, so it > took a while. The promised updates never materialised. >=20 > Back in the early days of the internet I bought a modem from them - whi= ch > wouldn't work. Neither would the replacement(s). >=20 > I found out that there was a batch of USR modems that would just /not/ > work on Acorn machines, and Beebug had bought the lot. After an extreml= y > unpleasant telephone conversation with Sheridam Williams, they finally > agreed to a refund - but only because I was going to take it to the sho= p > and get them to demonstrate it working, which of course they couldn't. = One > of their tech support guys was honest enough to admit that they had bou= ght > duff stock, which had been returned, but they were being sticky with > customers that had bought from them. >=20 > Not a nice firm to do business with, but unfortunately the only plave I > could get OP when it first came out. Although off topic for the OPro mailing list: As the French say: "c'est le ton qui fait la musique". Negativism is neve= r produceful. As one can clearly see in the Balkan these days. In my 14 years of dealing with Beebug/RiscUser I have only had very pleasant and helpful experiences. They even one day managed to trick another well known but now almost dead soft/hardware dealer by producing the goods which said dealer (=3Dproducer) stated not to be available. And= in good working order. My version of Chartwell (1.17) still functions although dated 02-Feb-93. That is over 6 years old. How many DOS/PC/Windows programs can state to function after so many years? You complain about no updates. My parents always used to say: "Leave wel= l alone". Very much to the point here! And Chartwell even works four operating systems onwards (Archimedes/A5000/RPC600/SA110). I=A0find this amazing. Greetings, JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) =2E -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From root@riscpc.student.wau.nl Tue Apr 6 19:33:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92846 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923348403:20:16126:0; Mon, 05 Apr 99 21:40:03 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl ([137.224.10.12]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016101; 5 Apr 99 21:40 GMT Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J9OXHDCBXA00H8A6@NET.WAU.NL> for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:40:15 GMT +0100 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 23:38:02 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*student.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Future of Ovation In-reply-to: <92763@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Reply-to: steveno@lx.student.wau.nl Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >What I would say is: WILL SOMEONE WRITE A BLEEDIN' IMPRESSION LOADER! > > Anyone want to sell me a StrongArm copy of Publisher Plus?, or the source > code if anyone from CC's reading this 8-) > I've got a hacked version of Publisher+ which i once got to try it. I decided to use (and buy) OvationPro so I don't use it anymore. It did work on RISC OS 3.7 with ARM 710, I'm not sure if it works with an SA but i do think so. You can get it from me if you want it, but since it is hacked it might been altered on crucial parts. When you want it, please mail me and i'll send it to you, it is about 1 or 2 Mb compressed. I hope this will help you to write a Imp loader or something like that. greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | Speaking personnally X X | Without spelling and grammar check ;-) From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92854 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923356482:20:26006:16; Mon, 05 Apr 99 23:54:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025747; 5 Apr 99 23:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA22589 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:44:10 +0100 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA22584 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:43:57 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem808.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.40]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA07416; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:44:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:49:43 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Samuel Penn In-Reply-To: <48EDFBEB1D%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA22585 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB22589 Hello, Am I missing somethin with my upgraded Fresco? What is behind: http://www.impulse.oaktree.co.uk/front.html I can't find any menu or clickable button...., just see a screen with a logo, Impulse and 'desktop environment' and some e-mailaddresses... Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92859 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923396594:10:27796:16; Tue, 06 Apr 99 11:03:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108567; 6 Apr 99 11:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA23509 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:44:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA23504 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:43:50 +0100 Received: from (193.149.83.167) [193.149.83.167] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10UTKx-0004mn-00; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:44:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 6 Apr 99 11:39:40 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Custom key operated Macro not working Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I need to be able to make vertical shift adjustments to block of text using the keyboard. I have set up two new key macros (operated by CTRL-SHIFT-DOWN ARROW and CTRL-SHIFT-UP ARROW) which use the same scripts as the equivalent provided button macros. The problem is - they don't work... selecting the text and clicking on the buttons moves it, operating the keys has no effect. Any help with this appreciated. Thanks, Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92862 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923398388:10:29333:28; Tue, 06 Apr 99 11:33:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029208; 6 Apr 99 11:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA23596 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:48:26 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23589 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:48:01 +0100 Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UTOz-000DSo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:48:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:28:08 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Apologies, but how do I suspend the list... References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Dr A G Gray writes >I've tried: > > majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > >with SIGNOFF ovationp-l in the body (not subject line) > >And I've tried: > > maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk > >with SIGNOFF ovationp-l as the subject. > >And I've read the majordomo instructions. Am I just thick? Or am I missing >something. Other lists allow a 'SUSPEND' command too. I'm just trying to avoid >a couple of hundred posts in the next fortnight's holiday... > >An answer in the next 12 hours would be much appreciated: TIA. > >From the footer to each message: To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Have a good hol! -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92861 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923386562:20:20323:18; Tue, 06 Apr 99 08:16:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123319; 6 Apr 99 8:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA23106 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:59:27 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23101 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:59:13 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10UQld-00017I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:59:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:20:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAA23102 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAB23106 In on Tue 06 Apr, Andr van den Berg wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Am I missing somethin with my upgraded Fresco? What is behind: >=20 > http://www.impulse.oaktree.co.uk/front.html >=20 > I can't find any menu or clickable button...., just see a screen with a > logo, Impulse and 'desktop environment' and some e-mailaddresses... I had the information already but the URL I saved goes it bit further than the index. So this will make it easier; http://www.impulse.oaktree.co.uk/ Didn't you ever cut the last part of an URL when the page didn't allow you to go any further Andr=E9? Ernst --=20 Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metr= ic -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:33:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92863 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923401904:10:29660:16; Tue, 06 Apr 99 12:31:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124032; 6 Apr 99 12:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA23907 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:17:29 +0100 Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23902 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:17:13 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27275 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:08:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA23559; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:15:12 +0100 Message-ID: <3709FBF2.C357158A@sharp.co.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:20:02 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript output References: <7ba1dee48%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: > > Peter wrote: > > I have tried Postscript level 1 and it produced a 14.4Mb file, does this > > sound about right? I then checked this file using GhostScript and GView, > > the text seemed a bit blocky and not very clear, is that ok? or will it > > print like that? Also two of the images use the transparent mask which > > didn't work in the PostScript file. The bits that should be transparent > > were white instead. > If your text looks blocky, it may be because you are using fonts > which are neither Type 1, nor mapped to a standard postcript > font. Alternatively it may just be that GView doesn't use a very high resolution when converting PS files with Ghostscript (around 70 or 90 dpi last time I checked). With this kind of resolution text does typically look blocky, but you do get a page that is a reasonable size for showing on screen. You can ask Ghostscript to use a different resolution quite easily, but I don't think it can be done through GView. If the file is to be professionally printed it will probably be printed at 1200dpi or more - so you should get much more detail on the printout. The points David made are, of course, still totally relevant. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:34:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92864 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:33:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923386626:20:21429:31; Tue, 06 Apr 99 08:17:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021395; 6 Apr 99 8:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA23099 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:59:08 +0100 Received: from neodymium (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23094 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:58:54 +0100 Received: from [62.172.58.158] (helo=a.esplen.btinternet.com) by neodymium with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10UQjF-0006op-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:57:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:25:01 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: Ovation list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-URL: none X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [snip] > > I have anoather suggestion and that is to find a somebody who > > will write a 'new' DTP which will allow the import of Ovation > > files. We could finance that somebody to write the program and > > we, not Beebug, would own it! It would be nice if that somebody > > had access to (and some sort of licence to use) Ovation code in > > the 'new' DTP. I don't know to what extent Beebug 'own' the > > rights to the Ovation code but it might be cheaper for the 'club' > > to buy some rights to it than to buy David out of his current > > contract. I have no doubts whom I would choose to be that > > 'somebody' who writes the successor to Ovation. Hi, Are we all on the same planet? David pointed out the disappointing sales to date of OVPro. why would he or anybody else want to start work on another DTP program for the RiscOS platform with even smaller sales in prospect. Our best hope as OVpro users is to hope that others out of the small Acorn market will see the great potential of this excellent program and David will use his talents to port it to another platform ie Windows and WINE under Linux. Alan. -- Alan Esplen Graphic Design Great Waltham, Essex, England. email: a.esplen@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 19:34:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92881 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 19:34:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923415892:10:24917:16; Tue, 06 Apr 99 16:24:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114347; 6 Apr 99 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA24165 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:06:06 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24160 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:05:52 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA18032 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:06:11 +0200 Message-Id: <199904061606.SAA18032@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 06 Apr 1999 12:24:39 GMT Subject: Re: Postscript output MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >print like that? Also two of the images use the transparent mask which >didn't work in the PostScript file. The bits that should be transparent >were white instead. > This is not a fault of GhostScript, we just recently found on this list that while printing sprites to PS in colour the mask will "white-out". You will have to work around this. If it's a rectangular mask, You're lucky just break the image into pieces. If not You might try to do something with !S(prite)Printer. Keeping in mind the target print's resolution You should have lots of RAM for this to work. Good luck Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 21:45:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92902 for opro ; Tue, 06 Apr 99 21:45:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923429046:10:04670:17; Tue, 06 Apr 99 20:04:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110579; 6 Apr 99 20:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA24479 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:53:25 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24474 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:53:13 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10UbuX-0006tF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:53:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:39:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA24475 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB24479 In on Mon 05 Apr, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrot= e: =20 > My version of Chartwell (1.17) still functions although dated 02-Feb-93. > That is over 6 years old. How many DOS/PC/Windows programs can state to > function after so many years? > You complain about no updates. My parents always used to say: "Leave w= ell > alone". Very much to the point here! And Chartwell even works four > operating systems onwards (Archimedes/A5000/RPC600/SA110). I=A0find thi= s > amazing. Chartwell is now offered with other software on a Risc User special disc for 9.95 GBP members' price. The ad says 'newly updated for this disc'. :-) Ernst --=20 Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 02:17:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92935 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 02:17:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923438954:10:14653:16; Tue, 06 Apr 99 22:49:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104298; 6 Apr 99 22:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA24722 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:38:20 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24712 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:38:03 +0100 Received: from [158.152.251.209] (helo=bifrost.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10UeUE-0000kC-0K; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:38:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 06:45:34 +0100 From: Samuel Penn To: ecdbv@xs4all.nl, ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future of Ovation Message-ID: <48EE5BB795%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hello, > > Am I missing somethin with my upgraded Fresco? What is behind: > > http://www.impulse.oaktree.co.uk/front.html I like it - give me the address, then can't use it yourself :-) Get rid of the front.html, and you'll find the frame-set that it's part of. -- Be seeing you, Sam. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 02:17:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92936 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 02:17:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923437445:20:26423:16; Tue, 06 Apr 99 22:24:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026349; 6 Apr 99 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA24639 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:15:08 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24634 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:14:57 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Ue7o-0006ol-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:15:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 99 21:52:57 GMT Message-Id: <92904@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future of Ovation X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >Maybe you (or someone) should propose it to CC, then. I'll let you know what they say 8-) >Perhaps it's another of these things which has to wait for signs of success >or otherwise of RISCOS Ltd, and Beebugs reaction. IMHO whats going to happen is that RISC OS Ltd will make a success of things, allow the production of some nice new hardware, but the size of the market won't increase. I agree that if the market size became much bigger then you'd probably see the return of Beebug or even CC. I've always felt that the business model had to be proportionate to the size of the market. Clearly the 20 people model of CC failed, and so did the 3 people of Beebug. Maybe the one man band model would be suitable to the future size of the RISC OS market. >By "PC version", I hope you mean linux :-) Um well, not exactly. The original comment was just a way of saying the code was cleaner than that of an assembler program like Impression. But yes the future may hold "DPDTP", something which is akin to OPro, and will load its files and runs on other hardware. I dont have any illusions that such a program would be commercial, its more a case of it being nice to make the work available to a wider audience for modest effort. Platform may not matter... since I'd guess a theme for the future will be to make Windows and UNIX similar - to allow the easy porting of users and applications (and MacOS is to become a shell stuck on top of UNIX). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 02:17:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92937 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 02:17:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923440599:10:10556:17; Tue, 06 Apr 99 23:16:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109291; 6 Apr 99 23:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA24943 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:04:33 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24938 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:04:22 +0100 Received: from [212.126.146.2] (helo=dawson) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10Ueth-0001UT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:04:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: OVATIONP-L Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:48:20 +0100 Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 Message-ID: <48eeae5df8rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b11 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA24939 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB24943 In article , Ernst Dinkla wrote: > In on Mon 05 Apr, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wr= ote: > =20 > > My version of Chartwell (1.17) still functions although dated > > 02-Feb-93. That is over 6 years old. How many DOS/PC/Windows programs > > can state to function after so many years? You complain about no > > updates. My parents always used to say: "Leave well alone". Very much > > to the point here! And Chartwell even works four operating systems > > onwards (Archimedes/A5000/RPC600/SA110). I=A0find this amazing. > Chartwell is now offered with other software on a Risc User special dis= c > for 9.95 GBP members' price. > The ad says 'newly updated for this disc'. :-) I wonder if I should push my luck and ask for the update promised five years ago ;-) Cheers, Ray D --=20 ..=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 02:17:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92938 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 02:17:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923438888:20:14660:19; Tue, 06 Apr 99 22:48:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014576; 6 Apr 99 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA24724 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:38:33 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24717 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:38:09 +0100 Received: from [158.152.251.209] (helo=bifrost.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10UeUJ-0000kj-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:38:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by bifrost.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 04:54:11 GMT Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 06:49:57 +0100 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future of Ovation Message-ID: <48EE5C1DFE%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48ee17d2d3rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB24724 In message <48ee17d2d3rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <48EDFBEB1D%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk>, > Samuel Penn wrote: >=20 > > > Their view on an RO GUIded Linux differs from the view Andr=E9 wrot= e > > > about. Linux isn't the panacea to all problems. I have a RedHat > > > version for an Alpha here but it is too complicated for me and at t= he > > > end of the day what does it offer to me, when there's still no good > > > DTP and vector illustration program available on it. But that is al= so > > > an invitation for porting some RO goods to Linux/Unix. >=20 > > Which is why I still use RISC OS. There are various works in the > > pipeline though - KOffice for instance will have DTP and illustration > > programs, but since it's still all in alpha, it's not too much use ye= t. > > Linux is getting there though. >=20 > What about Star Office? Isn't that an all singing/dancing suite of > DTP/Office applications? It doesn't have DTP, only an MS Word clone. Also, something I've never been able to understand - presumably they're catering to people who are not wanting to use Microsoft Windows - so why the hell did they package up StarOffice in an implementation of W95? Both the Linux and Solaris versions run in a single window which is effectively the W95 desktop, That, and the fact it's slow and requires oodles of memory means I don't find StarOffice to be all that useful. --=20 Be seeing you, Sam. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 13:48:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92965 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 13:48:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923452442:20:08204:18; Wed, 07 Apr 99 02:34:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007971; 7 Apr 99 2:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA25378 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:10:15 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA25373 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:10:03 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10UhnR-0000DU-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 02:10:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 99 02:50:55 GMT Message-Id: <92954@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Custom key operated Macro not working X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I need to be able to make vertical shift adjustments to block of text >using the keyboard. I have set up two new key macros (operated by >CTRL-SHIFT-DOWN ARROW and CTRL-SHIFT-UP ARROW) which use the same >scripts as the equivalent provided button macros. The problem is - they >don't work... selecting the text and clicking on the buttons moves it, >operating the keys has no effect I'd be inclined to find out if those key presses will operate any macro. The main problem is either the key press is getting lost in the OS or being grabbed by something else inside OPro. A quick test is to set off as if you're going to define a new key macro, once the new key macro window is open, it will reflect any key that you press. So you can see if OPro can actually see CS-Down etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 13:49:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92967 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 13:48:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923465639:20:04792:20; Wed, 07 Apr 99 06:13:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106951; 7 Apr 99 6:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA25592 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:02:35 +0100 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA25587 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:02:23 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1315.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.35]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09572; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:02:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:02:23 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Samuel Penn In-Reply-To: <48EE5C1DFE%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, I still wonder why some people are so anxcious (and a bit angry even) about the compatibility Imp vs OP; we have been selling thousands of 'very ordinary' PC's and we never had a customer who complained that he couldn't even load old WP files into upgraded versions :-(, or worse, old Words for Wxx files into newer versions of Words and that in a world were everybody seems to think that compatibility is the buzz word.... In one of our scientific research centres (TPD/TNO) is one RISC PC. The user told me recently that he hears the famous Win resetmelody app. 30 times per day (he, with his RISC PC and PC card once a week -the PC-side only-. All his collegues come to him to convert DOS/Win (sic!) files for use on their PC's. Again: count your blessings and/or your neighbours' grass is always greener.... Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg using a 'very old' -1994- SA upgrades RISC PC with a huge directory loaded with conversion programmes, bitmap, text, fonts and vector :-) How many PC's would I have had to throw away to stay in line with that rat-race Bill tries to get everybody into and than to find out that 90% of my old software doesn't work anymore or can't exchange old data. It's 4 layers high, containing a 2G Jaz, 100 Mb Zip, 88 Mb Syquest, Philips CD-writer, printer withchbox (made a hole in the front of the top layer) and an external modem that is invisible because a used the toplayer to hide it. More: 1 HD4 2M, HD5 1M and HD6 2M. It has been with me on many exhibitions, has dropped on the floor twice from 1 meter high and still works(!!!!) ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Tel. +31(0)70 319 4343 Fax: +31(0)70 319 4963 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail : ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail : avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail : info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage : http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 13:52:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92971 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 13:52:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923474698:20:24708:25; Wed, 07 Apr 99 08:44:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128934; 7 Apr 99 8:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA25775 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:26:33 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25770 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:26:18 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10Unfb-0003qV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:26:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:31:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Future of Ovation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48EE5C1DFE%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 06 Apr, Samuel Penn wrote: > In message <48ee17d2d3rayd@argonet.co.uk> > Ray Dawson wrote: > > What about Star Office? Isn't that an all singing/dancing suite of > > DTP/Office applications? > > It doesn't have DTP, only an MS Word clone. Also, something I've never > been able to understand - presumably they're catering to people who are > not wanting to use Microsoft Windows - so why the hell did they package > up StarOffice in an implementation of W95? Both the Linux and Solaris > versions run in a single window which is effectively the W95 desktop, > > That, and the fact it's slow and requires oodles of memory means I don't > find StarOffice to be all that useful. This is going to be very off-topic here. I did see a review of several office suits in the German C'T and Star Office was praised. The drawing functions are better than in the M$ package, even 3D, but it still isn't a true DTP program. The MS Word clone seems to be very good. As it is available on more platforms now (Mac coming), it illustrates David's comment 'Platform may not matter'. GIMP has left the boundaries of Linux too. The commercial approach is 'license free' 'support paid'. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 14:08:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92976 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 14:08:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923479963:10:06418:38; Wed, 07 Apr 99 10:12:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006181; 7 Apr 99 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA25944 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:45:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA25939 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:45:15 +0100 Received: from (194.69.109.209) [194.69.109.209] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Uou0-0002xR-00; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:45:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 7 Apr 99 10:44:47 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Custom key operated Macro not working Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 7 Apr 99 (02:50:55), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >A quick test is to set off as if you're going to define a new key >macro, once the new key macro window is open, it will reflect any key that you >press. So you can see if OPro can actually see CS-Down etc. > Thanks David. I've substituted Ctrl-Page-up and Ctrl-Page-Down instead and they work fine. Oddly, OPro can 'see' Ctrl-Shift-CUp in the 'New' dialogue box, but doesn't respond when using it in a document. Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 17:27:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92981 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 17:27:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923496960:10:00471:16; Wed, 07 Apr 99 14:56:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126290; 7 Apr 99 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA26327 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:39:51 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26322 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:39:36 +0100 Received: from [158.152.118.28] (helo=hallas.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10UtUs-0000Aa-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:40:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:54:03 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 Message-ID: <48EF06C7DD%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22b(24 Nov 1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Mon 05 Apr, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch > wrote: > > > My version of Chartwell (1.17) still functions although dated > > 02-Feb-93. That is over 6 years old. How many DOS/PC/Windows > > programs can state to function after so many years? > > > > You complain about no updates. My parents always used to say: > > "Leave well alone". Very much to the point here! And Chartwell > > even works four operating systems onwards > > (Archimedes/A5000/RPC600/SA110). I find this amazing. > > Chartwell is now offered with other software on a Risc User special > disc for 9.95 GBP members' price. The ad says 'newly updated for > this disc'. :-) Don't believe a word of it. :-( Chartwell was /supposed/ to have been updated, in that (a) I was told that someone was going to update it 'properly' and add new features, and (b) I created a new set of hi-res symbol sprites for it - the coloured squares, triangles etc. that it plonks on its graphs - as the existing ones are just nasty, low-res things. However, having received a copy of the Special Disc recently, I see that all that's been included is the existing version (1.17), dating from 1993. Not only has it not been updated, but my hi-res sprites haven't been included either. So don't get excited. Don't blame Beebug: it's not their fault. All they do is duplicate the disc as supplied to them. I should distance myself from this Special Disc; the disc person was supposed to send it to me to edit and tidy up (as I used to do with previous magazine discs), but he failed to do so, so unfortunately it falls short of RISC User's normal standards of presentation. Of course, it's still a good buy if you want Chartwell, as Chartwell is rather a nice little program, and there's some other nice programs on the disc (not least David Pilling's superb FontFix module, which I use all the time, and which is excellent for DTP users). I just wish that I'd been able to tidy it all up before it got published. Anyway, if anyone with a copy of Chartwell 1.17 wants a copy of the new hi-res sprites, email me and I'll send them. (NB I'm away for a week from tomorrow, so don't expect to get a reply before April 15th.) Email . -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of Charges * Former Editor of RISC User Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 19:36:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93011 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 19:36:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923508691:10:01259:16; Wed, 07 Apr 99 18:11:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128879; 7 Apr 99 18:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA26613 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:56:53 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26608 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:56:41 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10UwZf-0001tv-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:57:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 99 18:55:22 GMT Message-Id: <93004@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Custom key operated Macro not working X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Oddly, OPro can 'see' Ctrl-Shift-CUp in the 'New' dialogue box, but doesn't >respond when using it in a document. Perhaps something like an applet has already attached itself to those key presses. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 19:36:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93013 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 19:36:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923509180:20:08479:19; Wed, 07 Apr 99 18:19:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008196; 7 Apr 99 18:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA26659 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:07:56 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26654 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:07:44 +0100 Received: from [212.126.145.243] (helo=dawson) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10UwkM-0006Ho-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:08:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:54:39 +0100 Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 Message-ID: <48ef224d61rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48EF06C7DD%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> References: <48EF06C7DD%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b11 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <48EF06C7DD%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk>, Richard Hallas wrote: > Chartwell was /supposed/ to have been updated, in that (a) I was told > that someone was going to update it 'properly' and add new features, > and (b) I created a new set of hi-res symbol sprites for it - the > coloured squares, triangles etc. that it plonks on its graphs - as the > existing ones are just nasty, low-res things. > However, having received a copy of the Special Disc recently, I see > that all that's been included is the existing version (1.17), dating > from 1993. Not only has it not been updated, but my hi-res sprites > haven't been included either. So don't get excited. I have Chartwell 1.18 24 Jun 1994, so someone's pulling a fast one on the version supplied on the CD. 1.18 was the one that Ian Wallace promised an udate on back in 94 - not 1.17. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 21:32:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93018 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 21:32:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923511374:10:11223:30; Wed, 07 Apr 99 18:56:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113837; 7 Apr 99 18:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA26839 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:46:13 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26834 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:46:02 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10UxLQ-0006Z6-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:46:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 99 19:37:55 GMT Message-Id: <93014@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have Chartwell 1.18 24 Jun 1994, so someone's pulling a fast one on the >version supplied on the CD. 1.18 was the one that Ian Wallace promised an >update on back in 94 - not 1.17. I'd just like to clear this up. It was either John Wallace (Beebugs long time software manager, who in latter days worked from home 2 days a week). Or Ian McDougall his assistant for the last couple of years. 'Ian Wallace' would be some sort of manufactured creature, body of a horse, head of a man, cloven hoofs, that sort of thing. The thing is... who wrote Chartwell originally? ISTR it was someone well known in the Acorn world. No doubt they'd be a source of updates. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 23:28:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93039 for opro ; Wed, 07 Apr 99 23:28:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923522819:10:16464:20; Wed, 07 Apr 99 22:06:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016390; 7 Apr 99 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA27037 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:52:16 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA27032 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:52:01 +0100 Received: from lizard (dialup051.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.213]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA11966 for Message-ID: <370C4422.3F2D@bnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:52:34 -0700 From: Mike Williams Organization: Akalat Publishing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 References: <93014@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > The thing is... who wrote Chartwell originally? ISTR it was someone > well known in the Acorn world. No doubt they'd be a source of updates. As the person originally responsible for the publication of Chartwell when I worked at Beebug (many years ago) the author of the software was a young chap called Ben Moseley. After I left (in early 1994) I believe the Software Department under John Wallace did consider an upgrade but it fell by the wayside. Mike Williams Former editor of RISC User. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 8 01:39:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93056 for opro ; Thu, 08 Apr 99 01:39:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923527363:20:18765:19; Wed, 07 Apr 99 23:22:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115959; 7 Apr 99 23:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA27216 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:12:59 +0100 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA27211 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:12:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 29795 invoked from network); 7 Apr 1999 23:13:24 -0000 Received: from userae28.uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwywc97@ukgateway.net) (62.188.131.170) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 1999 23:13:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 23:50:24 +0100 Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 Message-ID: <48ef3d60darayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <93014@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <93014@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b11 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <93014@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I have Chartwell 1.18 24 Jun 1994, so someone's pulling a fast one on > >the version supplied on the CD. 1.18 was the one that Ian Wallace > >promised an update on back in 94 - not 1.17. > I'd just like to clear this up. It was either John Wallace (Beebugs long > time software manager, who in latter days worked from home 2 days a > week). Or Ian McDougall his assistant for the last couple of years. Whoops - John Wallace. ISTR I could only speak to him on Tuesdays. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 8 19:41:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93112 for opro ; Thu, 08 Apr 99 19:41:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923595221:20:06753:18; Thu, 08 Apr 99 18:13:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102642; 8 Apr 99 18:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA28228 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:55:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA28223 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:54:50 +0100 Received: from (62.188.144.94) [62.188.144.94] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10VJ1c-0000nW-00; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:55:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 8 Apr 99 18:53:38 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Hyphenation won't hyphenate Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think I may have had this problem since upgrading to 1.51 some while back, but I have only just got round to trying to sort it out - unsuccessfully :-( My problem is that OvPro does not appear to take any notice of the hyphenation dictionary any more - it just hyphenates where it pleases, usually in the wrong places! At work on 1.49 it works fine, but not here at home. Looking at the Run file in the /Sort out dictionaries/ section there is no mention of the hyphenation dictionary, nor is there in !Custom where the main and user dictionaries are established. Does this mean that it is not aware of its existence? Something is missing somewhere. Can anybody help? ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 9 13:51:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93141 for opro ; Fri, 09 Apr 99 13:50:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923618603:20:04765:16; Fri, 09 Apr 99 00:43:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004719; 9 Apr 99 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA28567 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 01:24:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA28562 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 01:24:07 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10VP6P-0004pc-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:24:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 01:14:32 GMT Message-Id: <93136@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation won't hyphenate X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My problem is that OvPro does not appear to take any notice of the hyphenation >dictionary any more - it just hyphenates where it pleases, usually in the wrong >places! At work on 1.49 it works fine, but not here at home. Looking at the Run >file in the /Sort out dictionaries/ section there is no mention of the >hyphenation dictionary, nor is there in !Custom where the main and user >dictionaries are established. Does this mean that it is not aware of its >existence? The Hypenation dictionary of course is to specify the few words where the auto-hyphenation rules don't work well enough, or words you don't want hyphenating. It should live in the same place as !ManDict I think. The point here maybe that losing the hyphenation dictionary might not be a big problem. Losing !OvnResDir.UK.Hyphdata certainly would be. But odd things happen with hyphenation, things which look wrong, but are in fact correct. Is it the same document which works in one place and fails in another? Rather than a new document whose settings will depend on the defaults set up in the copy of the program. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 9 21:29:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93203 for opro ; Fri, 09 Apr 99 21:29:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923688732:20:18542:27; Fri, 09 Apr 99 20:12:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115641; 9 Apr 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA29371 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:00:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA29366 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:00:41 +0100 Received: from (62.188.144.99) [62.188.144.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10VhT9-0001mX-00; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:01:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 9 Apr 99 20:41:37 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Hyphenation won't hyphenate Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 9 Apr 99 (01:14:32), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > The Hypenation dictionary of course is to specify the few words where > the auto-hyphenation rules don't work well enough, or words you > don't want hyphenating. It should live in the same place as !ManDict > I think. Yes, it is. > The point here maybe that losing the hyphenation dictionary might > not be a big problem. Losing !OvnResDir.UK.Hyphdata certainly > would be. !OvnResDir.UK.Hyphdata safely in the right place. > But odd things happen with hyphenation, things which look wrong, but > are in fact correct. Is it the same document which works in one > place and fails in another? Rather than a new document whose settings > will depend on the defaults set up in the copy of the program. A good point - I can't check this until Monday. I am not clear how the defaults could affect this behaviour. The specification is 8 min characters, minimum 4 before and 4 after, maximum 2 consecutive hyphens, zone 0pt. As far as I am aware, hyphenation is not selected in either the icon menu Choices, nor in the Preferences. The closest we get is in the Preferences - Text section where the hyphenation character is defined. (Incidentally, this appears to have no effect. What is its purpose? This was added after the original manual.) To take it further, the rogue word that will not hyphenate correctly is foreseeable. I have put it in the dictionary as fore-see-able, but it insists on spliting it as forese-eable. When I create an artifical line to test this, as I type, foresee just fits on the line. As soon as I add the 'a' it splits at fore-seea, and holds this until I reach the 'l' when it splits at forese-. I'll test it further on Monday at work. ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 10 01:33:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93208 for opro ; Sat, 10 Apr 99 01:33:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923691521:20:19187:17; Fri, 09 Apr 99 20:58:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118232; 9 Apr 99 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA29519 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:48:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29514 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:48:01 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ViCz-000IeC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:49:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 21:38:02 GMT Message-Id: <93205@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation won't hyphenate X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am not clear how the defaults could affect this behaviour. The >specification is 8 min characters, minimum 4 before and 4 after, >maximum 2 consecutive hyphens, zone 0pt. which is OK. >As far as I am aware, hyphenation is not selected in either the icon >menu Choices, nor in the Preferences. Err but, if auto hyphenation is not selected, the word won't be hyphenated. >The closest we get is in the Preferences - Text section where the >hyphenation character is defined. (Incidentally, this appears to have no >effect. What is its purpose? This was added after the original manual.) See 'Changes to hyphenation and decimal tabs' in the New251 document which comes within the upgrade archive. >To take it further, the rogue word that will not hyphenate correctly >is foreseeable. I have put it in the dictionary as fore-see-able, but >it insists on spliting it as forese-eable. Well I tried this example, and I got it to work. But my first few attempts failed. At first I just clicked on OK rather than Add and then OK when trying to add the word to the dictionary. (moral - make sure the new word is actually in the dictionary). And I'm not so sure if I didn't have to quit and reload the program to get it to take notice of the new word in the hyph dictionary. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 12 19:27:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93262 for opro ; Mon, 12 Apr 99 19:27:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923850306:10:14341:17; Sun, 11 Apr 99 17:05:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119954; 11 Apr 99 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA31396 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:51:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA31391 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:51:32 +0100 Received: from (62.188.142.55) [62.188.142.55] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10WNTb-0001Ve-00; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:52:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Apr 99 19:02:33 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Hyphenation won't hyphenate Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 9 Apr 99 (21:38:02), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: (snip) > >As far as I am aware, hyphenation is not selected in either the icon > >menu Choices, nor in the Preferences. > > Err but, if auto hyphenation is not selected, the word won't be > hyphenated. Selected in Text - Format. Is there anywhere else? (snip) > >To take it further, the rogue word that will not hyphenate correctly > >is foreseeable. I have put it in the dictionary as fore-see-able, but > >it insists on spliting it as forese-eable. > > Well I tried this example, and I got it to work. But my first few > attempts failed. At first I just clicked on OK rather than Add and > then OK when trying to add the word to the dictionary. (moral - make > sure the new word is actually in the dictionary). Yes, I have found this on several occasions in the past when I have been in too much hurry. It is safely in the dictionary in this case, though. > And I'm not so sure if I didn't have to quit and reload the program > to get it to take notice of the new word in the hyph dictionary. When hyphenation is working, you can make it take effect by putting the cursor at any point before the word, press Return, press Delete, and it reformats with the specified hyphenation. Still no solution in sight! ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 12 19:27:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93266 for opro ; Mon, 12 Apr 99 19:27:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923862177:10:28393:18; Sun, 11 Apr 99 20:22:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119034; 11 Apr 99 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA31844 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:09:30 +0100 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA31839 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:09:10 +0100 Received: from modem-56.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.184] helo=theranks.freeserve.co.uk) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10WQYd-0000F2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:10:19 +0100 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:47:09 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Rank Subject: A little problem with THe's selection quoting - & a new small applet To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ovation Pro item from Tom Rank: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Problem with selection quoting ------------------------------ Having installed the latest version (1.77) of Rupert Thompson's excellent !THe applet, I've found a strange effect, at least on my machine, of using the selection quoting facility. Whilst this works fine, it appears to disable some of the text size & kerning keyboard shortcuts, viz: ^< & ^> no longer increase the text size, but instead increase the area of text selected by one character at a time ^' no longer increases the kerning, instead it also increases the area of text selected by one character (but ^; does still decrease kerning) Similarly, also increases the area of text selected, though again works as it should to decrease kerning by 1/100 em. A minor niggle in an otherwise invaluable set of effects. Any solutions? Applet !st-nd-rd ---------------- I've just sent this new applet to the Applet Site in the hope that it might be of some use to others.... This little applet converts the 'th', 'st' or 'nd' suffix following numbers to superscript or other presentation. This is useful for dates and any similar numbers; it matches the presentation of dates when you use the 'Fancy Date' applet. Adds a 'st-nd-rd' option to the applets menu. Written by my son - all I can claim credit for is setting him the problem! Tom Rank -- Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.51, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 3.7 OPro@theranks.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 12 19:28:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93277 for opro ; Mon, 12 Apr 99 19:28:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923870187:20:24165:19; Sun, 11 Apr 99 22:36:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112154; 11 Apr 99 22:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA32025 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:27:12 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA32020 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:27:00 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 10WSiI-0006wO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:28:26 +0100 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:29:55 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: A little problem with THe's selection quoting - & a new small applet To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 11 Apr, Tom Rank wrote: > Problem with selection quoting > ------------------------------ > > Having installed the latest version (1.77) of Rupert Thompson's excellent > !THe applet, I've found a strange effect, at least on my machine, of using > the selection quoting facility. > > Whilst this works fine, it appears to disable some of the text size & kerning > keyboard shortcuts, viz: > > ^< & ^> no longer increase the text size, but instead increase the area of > text selected by one character at a time > > ^' no longer increases the kerning, instead it also increases the area of > text selected by one character (but ^; does still decrease kerning) > > Similarly, also increases the area of text selected, though > again works as it should to decrease kerning by 1/100 em. > > A minor niggle in an otherwise invaluable set of effects. Any solutions? Will look into this ... > Applet !st-nd-rd > ---------------- > > I've just sent this new applet to the Applet Site in the hope that it might > be of some use to others.... > Excellent! -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 12 19:28:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93280 for opro ; Mon, 12 Apr 99 19:28:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923875136:20:09608:18; Sun, 11 Apr 99 23:58:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009460; 11 Apr 99 23:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA32368 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:50:42 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA32363 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:50:27 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.100.70]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA6721 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:58:09 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:17:24 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Hyphenation won't hyphenate To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <93205@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 09 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > No he didn't, Chris Wragg did. > >I am not clear how the defaults could affect this behaviour. The > >specification is 8 min characters, minimum 4 before and 4 after, > >maximum 2 consecutive hyphens, zone 0pt. > but David said > which is OK. > right > > >As far as I am aware, hyphenation is not selected in either the icon > >menu Choices, nor in the Preferences. > > Err but, if auto hyphenation is not selected, the word won't be hyphenated. > Text>Format>auto hyphenation 'on' > > >The closest we get is in the Preferences - Text section where the > >hyphenation character is defined. (Incidentally, this appears to have no > >effect. What is its purpose? This was added after the original manual.) > Has no effect for me either > See 'Changes to hyphenation and decimal tabs' in the New251 document which > comes within the upgrade archive. > had a look but not wiser in terms of the current query > > >To take it further, the rogue word that will not hyphenate correctly > >is foreseeable. I have put it in the dictionary as fore-see-able, but > >it insists on spliting it as forese-eable. > > Well I tried this example, and I got it to work. But my first few attempts > failed. At first I just clicked on OK rather than Add and then OK > when trying to add the word to the dictionary. (moral - make sure > the new word is actually in the dictionary). When I tried, I got the same results as Chris Wragg, except that when I completed the word it jumped again, this time correctly to fore-seeable. But .... when I added another e on the end it went back to forese-able! Has this perhaps got something to do with the hyphenation configuration? Have not had time to experiment yet? > > And I'm not so sure if I didn't have to quit and reload the program to get > it to take notice of the new word in the hyph dictionary. > -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 12 21:16:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93307 for opro ; Mon, 12 Apr 99 21:16:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923943999:20:20872:18; Mon, 12 Apr 99 19:06:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020923; 12 Apr 99 19:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00402 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:49:31 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00397 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:49:13 +0100 Received: from modem-50.carbon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.2.178] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Wlli-0008Or-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:49:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:25:21 +0100 From: Mark To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A little problem with THe's selection quoting - & a new small applet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tom Rank was let out long enough to write: > Problem with selection quoting > ------------------------------ > > Having installed the latest version (1.77) of Rupert Thompson's excellent > !THe applet, I've found a strange effect, at least on my machine, of using > the selection quoting facility. > > Whilst this works fine, it appears to disable some of the text size & kerning > keyboard shortcuts, viz: > > ^< & ^> no longer increase the text size, but instead increase the area of > text selected by one character at a time > > ^' no longer increases the kerning, instead it also increases the area of > text selected by one character (but ^; does still decrease kerning) > > Similarly, also increases the area of text selected, though > again works as it should to decrease kerning by 1/100 em. > > A minor niggle in an otherwise invaluable set of effects. Any solutions? > I have noticed this and had to disable the quoting all together as I find the size changing invalubale. However I it was a pity as I can see the quoting being quite useful. I e-mailed the author (24/3/99) about this (recomending he split it into two menu options, one for basic brackets and quotes quoting and one for the advanced things that are messing it up) however I never recived a reply :-( > Applet !st-nd-rd > ---------------- > > I've just sent this new applet to the Applet Site in the hope that it might > be of some use to others.... > > This little applet converts the 'th', 'st' or 'nd' suffix following numbers > to superscript or other presentation. This is useful for dates and any > similar numbers; it matches the presentation of dates when you use the 'Fancy > Date' applet. > > Adds a 'st-nd-rd' option to the applets menu. > > Written by my son - all I can claim credit for is setting him the problem! > > Tom Rank > Sounds nice :-) I did recomend that this was included in !THe (same e-mail) but nothing ever happened :-( Bye, Mark Daniel. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software Apoclaypse - Cross-platfrom games programming with ease. - Coming to a computer near you SOON E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>All hope abandon, ye who enter here. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 12 21:16:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93309 for opro ; Mon, 12 Apr 99 21:16:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923946258:20:23808:16; Mon, 12 Apr 99 19:44:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023772; 12 Apr 99 19:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA00524 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:26:24 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA00519 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:26:09 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 10WmLb-00054T-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:26:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:27:48 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: A little problem with THe's selection quoting - & a new small applet To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 12 Apr, Mark wrote: > Tom Rank was let out long enough to write: > > > Problem with selection quoting > > ------------------------------ > > > > Having installed the latest version (1.77) of Rupert Thompson's excellent > > !THe applet, I've found a strange effect, at least on my machine, of using > > the selection quoting facility. > > > > Whilst this works fine, it appears to disable some of the text size & kerning > > keyboard shortcuts, viz: > > > > ^< & ^> no longer increase the text size, but instead increase the area of > > text selected by one character at a time > > > > ^' no longer increases the kerning, instead it also increases the area of > > text selected by one character (but ^; does still decrease kerning) > > > > Similarly, also increases the area of text selected, though > > again works as it should to decrease kerning by 1/100 em. > > > > A minor niggle in an otherwise invaluable set of effects. Any solutions? > > > I have noticed this and had to disable the quoting all together as I > find the size changing invalubale. However I it was a pity as I can see > the quoting being quite useful. I e-mailed the author (24/3/99) about > this (recomending he split it into two menu options, one for basic > brackets and quotes quoting and one for the advanced things that are > messing it up) however I never recived a reply :-( Err, oops, sorry! It seems that something funny was going on with key numbers which I don't quite understand. Anyhow, it now appears to work. Version 1.79 on my website. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 13 13:36:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93371 for opro ; Tue, 13 Apr 99 13:36:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 923967976:20:07914:22; Tue, 13 Apr 99 01:46:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125007; 13 Apr 99 1:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA00912 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:33:35 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA00907 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:33:22 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Ws4y-0007SM-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 01:33:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 99 02:14:46 GMT Message-Id: <93366@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation won't hyphenate X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Err but, if auto hyphenation is not selected, the word won't be >> hyphenated. >Selected in Text - Format. Is there anywhere else? Thats good enough. Its like any other style, it can be applied from a user defined style. It can be an effect, its the ultimate combination of all these attributes that counts. In addition with some attributes e.g. centre it is necessary for the attribute to be active throughout the line. To put it another way you can apply centre to a single word in the middle of a line, but it won't have any result on the formating of text. >> See 'Changes to hyphenation and decimal tabs' in the New251 document which >> comes within the upgrade archive. >had a look but not wiser in terms of the current query Yes it is not relevant. Putting aside what we're talking about, OPro will normally split words which have a '-' in the middle at the '-'. This new feature allows you to split on a number of characters like the bigger dashes. >When I tried, I got the same results as Chris Wragg, except that when I >completed the word it jumped again, this time correctly to fore-seeable. >But .... when I added another e on the end it went back to forese-able! Has >this perhaps got something to do with the hyphenation configuration? Of course, because once you change the spelling of the word, it no longer matches the one in the hyphenation dictionary. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 13 21:21:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93427 for opro ; Tue, 13 Apr 99 21:21:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924032969:10:04868:17; Tue, 13 Apr 99 19:49:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102580; 13 Apr 99 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01794 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:33:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA01789 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:33:05 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.17) [193.149.71.17] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10X8w3-0001tt-00; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:33:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Apr 99 20:28:40 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Hyphenation won't hyphenate Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am still completely baffled by this one. I have now checked out the same document both at home (RPC600 with Arm 700 OS3.5 and 41Mb, on OVP 2.51) and at work (StrongArm with 18Mb and OVP 1.49). Hyphenation works at work, and not at home. I have tried to compare Applets on the two systems - about the only point on which they differ - and have tried with different applets disabled, but none affect the results. I can find no significant difference in the setup of the two machines, but at home I am still stuck with forese-eable! (This is only an example, by the way. Other words won't split in the right places either. Perhaps I should research what words don't work to see if they have anything in common.) Judging by the limited number of respondents to my query, no one else is having similar problems, so why am I different to everybody else? Am I really going mad? >8-) ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 14 13:53:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93460 for opro ; Wed, 14 Apr 99 13:53:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924075879:20:05673:16; Wed, 14 Apr 99 07:44:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120705; 14 Apr 99 7:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA02353 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:32:07 +0100 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02348 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:31:55 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem837.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.69]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11844 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:32:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:32:15 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: QMSmagocolor330-driver To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48EE5C1DFE%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, A bit off topic but yet important for the correct use of pictures and Postscript screens in Opro: Does anybody know of a driver for the QMS magicolor 330? It's an A3 600 or 1200 dpi full cilour laserprinter. RISC OS Ltd have sent me one for the QMSCx but I can't address the paperdrawers with it and 'pamphlet' doesn't work. I don't mind paying for one. BTW: the HP driver works 'sort of', the Acorn Generic PS2 driver doesn't work at all.... Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Tel. +31(0)70 319 4343 Fax: +31(0)70 319 4963 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail : ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail : avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail : info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage : http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 14 13:53:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93464 for opro ; Wed, 14 Apr 99 13:53:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924086095:20:01410:19; Wed, 14 Apr 99 10:34:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122083; 14 Apr 99 10:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA02584 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:21:20 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02579 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:21:08 +0100 Received: from [212.238.92.96] (helo=muyderman-opleid.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10XMnX-00021R-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:21:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:56:41 +0100 (BST) From: "J.J. Muyderman" Subject: Changed E-mail adress To: Ovation Maillist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen - Nijmegen - (024)377 83 98 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, My E-mail adress has been changed from hamuy@wirehub.nl to post@muyderman-opleid.demon.nl. Please, change this on the maillist too. Thank you! Hans Muyderman -- Vriendelijke groeten, Kind regards, Muyderman Opleidingen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 14 18:01:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93500 for opro ; Wed, 14 Apr 99 18:01:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924109182:20:21381:16; Wed, 14 Apr 99 16:59:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105471; 14 Apr 99 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA02989 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:25:47 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02821 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:57:55 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10XQBO-0000VX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:58:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:53:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Changed E-mail adress To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 14 Apr, J.J. Muyderman wrote: > My E-mail adress has been changed from hamuy@wirehub.nl > to > post@muyderman-opleid.demon.nl. > > Please, change this on the maillist too. > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Last time I had to do that, I unsubscribed with the old email address and subscribed with the new. It worked. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 14 21:07:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93522 for opro ; Wed, 14 Apr 99 21:07:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924111349:10:13251:17; Wed, 14 Apr 99 17:35:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013064; 14 Apr 99 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA03161 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:26:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA03012 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:34:20 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10XScm-000A1S-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:34:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 99 17:26:30 GMT Message-Id: <93488@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Changed E-mail adress X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My E-mail adress has been changed from hamuy@wirehub.nl >to post@muyderman-opleid.demon.nl. >Please, change this on the maillist too. You can do this yourself - just unsubscribe and then resubscribe (although I have now done the job for you) You can subscribe or unsubscribe using a different email address to the one you send the email from like this; subscribe ovationpro mickey@disney.com I will spare you the rest of the book of maillist etiquette. Any volunteers to be maillist administrator? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 01:47:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93542 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 01:47:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924131285:10:29953:19; Wed, 14 Apr 99 23:08:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029934; 14 Apr 99 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA03464 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:47:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA03459 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:47:01 +0100 Received: from (62.188.135.245) [62.188.135.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10XYRT-0001NH-00; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:47:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Heidi Worth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:45:11 +0100 Message-ID: <48f2d7c02dmayon@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Changed E-mail adress User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: <93488@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 14 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > Any volunteers to be maillist administrator? I would do so, but seeing that I'm only a lurker - I'll leave the honor to someone else ..... That, and I have no idea what it entails anyhow! Darn it - thats me unlurked now ;-) Cheers Heidi -- Tact is the ability to close your mouth before somebody else wants you to mayon@argonet.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mayon/ SA RiscPC User, Newlyn, Cornwall ZFC A(Co) & Clan Member! SMulder on IRC - #hashargonet Using Pluto - of course!!! ICQ - 16050438 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 01:47:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93543 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 01:47:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924135739:10:13090:17; Thu, 15 Apr 99 00:22:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013023; 15 Apr 99 0:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA03628 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:10:45 +0100 Received: from mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03620 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:10:28 +0100 Received: from ncp20.girton.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.216.251]) by mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 10XZkH-00042I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:11:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:09:25 +0100 (BST) From: Nigel Parker Subject: Replacement list? (was: Changed E-mail adress) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48f2d7c02dmayon@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 14 Apr, Heidi Worth wrote: > On 14 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > Any volunteers to be maillist administrator? > > I would do so, but seeing that I'm only a lurker - I'll leave the honor to > someone else ..... > > That, and I have no idea what it entails anyhow! > > Darn it - thats me unlurked now ;-) I'll happily set up the list. But it will have to be via a public provider (my favourite is http://www.onelist.com), cos I won't have a permanent connection for much longer. This will require a very simple registration on their web pages, but they do offer a very good service in return (including filespace - useful for applets)... David? In fact I've just set it up! Look at http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/ovationpro to subscribe. Only an experiment for now, to see if people mind subscribing and the way onelist does things. DON'T alter your subscription to this list at barnet.ac.uk! If many people are against this (especially if David doesn't like this idea) then I'll delete the list and we'll carry on as we are... Regards. Nigel -- Girton College Email: nigel.parker@iee.org Cambridge Phone: 0411 384803 England Pager: ncpncp@genie.co.uk (140 chars) CB3 0JG Web: http://welcome.to/nigels -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 13:30:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93556 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 13:30:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924176739:10:26518:30; Thu, 15 Apr 99 11:45:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025851; 15 Apr 99 11:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA04292 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:17:02 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04287 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:16:48 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p46-max2.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.242.110]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA2 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:18:49 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Replacement list? (was: Changed E-mail adress) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB04292 On Thu 15 Apr, Nigel Parker wrote: > On Wed 14 Apr, Heidi Worth wrote: > > On 14 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > > Any volunteers to be maillist administrator? > >=20 > > I would do so, but seeing that I'm only a lurker - I'll leave the hon= or to > > someone else ..... > >=20 > > That, and I have no idea what it entails anyhow! > >=20 > > Darn it - thats me unlurked now ;-) >=20 > I'll happily set up the list. But it will have to be via a public > provider (my favourite is http://www.onelist.com), cos I won't have a > permanent connection for much longer. This will require a very simple > registration on their web pages, but they do offer a very good > service in return (including filespace - useful for applets)... >=20 > David? >=20 > In fact I've just set it up! Look at > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/ovationpro > to subscribe. >=20 > Only an experiment for now, to see if people mind subscribing and the > way onelist does things. DON'T alter your subscription to this > list at barnet.ac.uk! >=20 > If many people are against this (especially if David doesn't like > this idea) then I'll delete the list and we'll carry on as we are... >=20 > Regards. Nigel.... I just tried to subscribe..... couldnt locate it.... help please.... --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 13:30:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93557 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 13:30:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924142570:20:27195:18; Thu, 15 Apr 99 02:16:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102284; 15 Apr 99 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA03971 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:51:06 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA03966 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:50:54 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10XbJU-0000Ks-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:51:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 01:49:33 GMT Message-Id: <93544@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Replacement list? (was: Changed E-mail adress) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'll happily set up the list. Hold on... There's nothing wrong with the way the list is run now, in fact Carol Carpenter at Barnet has done an excellent job. So no way is it moving. If anyone would like to administer the list then I'd welcome that. But we'd be looking for someone who has the free time available, a permanent internet connection which they are able and prepared to check most days of the year, and the necessary level of competence to command majordomo to do their bidding. Candidates should also have a long term interest in OPro. Mostly the work consists of unsbbing people whose email addresses cease to respond. You also don't have to mind 200 bits of email being bounced back to you on odd occasions. Applications by private email to the address below. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 13:31:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93562 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 13:31:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924175995:20:01237:16; Thu, 15 Apr 99 11:33:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123280; 15 Apr 99 11:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04239 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:56:48 +0100 Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com (hil-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.177.138]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04234 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:56:35 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id GAA17946 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:56:56 -0400 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Screen without PostScript To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: <199904150657_MC2-721B-BD7@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAA04235 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Does anyone know of a way of producing screened separations (as for litho printing) on a non-PostScript printer? A RiscPC-equipped relative (not on email) wants to do full-colour screen-printing, but only has a couple of inkjets. They are good enough for camera-ready art (at the resolutions he does screen-printing), but it seems that only PostScript printers are geared to screened separations. True/False? -- Nobilangelo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobilangelo Ceramalus: Writer, journalist, desktop publisher, graphics-designer, webmaster, image-processor, cabinetmaker. +64 9 483-5428. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 15:07:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93586 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 15:07:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924184881:20:06338:28; Thu, 15 Apr 99 14:01:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006098; 15 Apr 99 14:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA04629 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:26:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04621 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:26:39 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10XmAu-000Dwn-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:27:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 14:19:23 GMT Message-Id: <93572@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Screen without PostScript X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does anyone know of a way of producing screened separations (as for litho >printing) on a non-PostScript printer? Turbo drivers spring to mind. Aside from their other pluses and minuses they do have a lot of facilities for controling halftoning. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 15:08:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93587 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 15:08:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924184684:10:09629:27; Thu, 15 Apr 99 13:58:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009439; 15 Apr 99 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA04574 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:12:09 +0100 Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (root@halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04556 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:11:18 +0100 Received: from koalasft.pnc.com.au (d23-nas1.Pen.pnc.com.au [203.57.114.23]) by halibut.pnc.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id X Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:57:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Jones Subject: Multi Row Button Bar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OK you can all go back to sleep. I have found it. The MultiRow Macro. Night Night.. ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** Windows: Just another pane in the glass. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 18:37:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93591 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 18:37:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924186267:10:04651:18; Thu, 15 Apr 99 14:24:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004484; 15 Apr 99 14:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA04572 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:12:01 +0100 Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (root@halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04558 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:11:26 +0100 Received: from koalasft.pnc.com.au (d23-nas1.Pen.pnc.com.au [203.57.114.23]) by halibut.pnc.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id X Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:43:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Jones Subject: Multi Layer Button Bar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just upgraded to V2.52 and initialised the various macro's I want on the button bar. For the life of me I can't remember how to resize the button bar to 2 rows. I did it on 2.46 but that was some time ago and it is getting late down here. Does anyone have an aid memoir please. Alan ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** Windows: Just another pane in the glass. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 18:37:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93590 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 18:37:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924185509:20:17383:20; Thu, 15 Apr 99 14:11:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116577; 15 Apr 99 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA04569 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:11:45 +0100 Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (root@halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04557 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:11:23 +0100 Received: from koalasft.pnc.com.au (d23-nas1.Pen.pnc.com.au [203.57.114.23]) by halibut.pnc.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id X Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:46:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Jones Subject: Prolific Pilling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just a note to say thanks to David. I have been doing some house keeping and since June of last year, Mr Pilling has send 347 messages to this list. The majority of thrm answering several questions in one posting. Remember the "Various" Subject Heading!!! Alan ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** Windows: Just another pane in the glass. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 18:37:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93593 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 18:37:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924188093:20:27428:21; Thu, 15 Apr 99 14:54:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027266; 15 Apr 99 14:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05039 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:38:32 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05033 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:38:20 +0100 Received: from (193.149.73.193) [193.149.73.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10XnID-0004zH-00; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:39:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 15:35:54 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Printing documents containing JPEGs with CCs Turbo Drivers Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Just to put my mind at rest, does anyone else have problems using Turbo Drivers when trying to print OvPro documents containing JPEGs? Given that I have the same problem with Studio24Pro (total freezing of the SARPC) - I suspect that the problem lies with an incompatability with Turbo Drivers rather than a 'real' bug. Thanks, Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 18:37:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93594 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 18:37:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924188854:20:08074:20; Thu, 15 Apr 99 15:07:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008254; 15 Apr 99 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05104 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:47:43 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05099 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:47:32 +0100 Received: from (193.149.86.247) [193.149.86.247] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10XnRA-0005AJ-00; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:48:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:47:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Multi Layer Button Bar Message-ID: <48f32fda2ccharlton@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11h (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alan Jones wrote: > Does anyone have an aid memoir please. Ctrl+Adjust+Drag to add / remove rows if I remember correctly itfm somewhere or found it with Davids fine Bubble help. cheers, -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 21:07:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93608 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 21:07:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924200749:20:08540:16; Thu, 15 Apr 99 18:25:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008235; 15 Apr 99 18:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05430 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:12:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05425 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:12:06 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10XqdA-00013G-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:12:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 18:40:11 GMT Message-Id: <93598@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing documents containing JPEGs with CCs Turbo Drivers Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >printing JPEG's This is probably heading up the list of FAQ's. The problem was resolved in August 1997, and if you look at the maillist archive for that time, you can read all about it. I guess it is also on the FAQ at the alternative OPro site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 21:08:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93610 for opro ; Thu, 15 Apr 99 21:08:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924200630:10:11978:16; Thu, 15 Apr 99 18:23:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011759; 15 Apr 99 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05438 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:13:09 +0100 Received: from mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05213 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:11:18 +0100 Received: from ncp20.girton.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.216.251]) by mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 10XnoB-0003Z5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:12:03 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:10:47 +0100 (BST) From: Nigel Parker Subject: Re: Replacement list? (was: Changed E-mail adress) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > > > I'll happily set up the list. But it will have to be via a public > > provider (my favourite is http://www.onelist.com), cos I won't have a > > permanent connection for much longer. This will require a very simple > > registration on their web pages, but they do offer a very good > > service in return (including filespace - useful for applets)... > > Nigel.... I just tried to subscribe..... couldnt locate it.... > help please.... I misunderstood what David was asking for originally! I've deleted the list, so the (short) experiment is now over ;-) David wants someone to administer the old list, not a new one. Nigel -- Girton College Email: nigel.parker@iee.org Cambridge Phone: 0411 384803 England Pager: ncpncp@genie.co.uk (140 chars) CB3 0JG Web: http://welcome.to/nigels -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 16 01:13:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93621 for opro ; Fri, 16 Apr 99 01:13:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924214738:10:01965:19; Thu, 15 Apr 99 22:18:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001724; 15 Apr 99 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA05765 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:04:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05760 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:04:32 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10XuG8-00017k-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:05:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:51:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Screen without PostScript To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <199904150657_MC2-721B-BD7@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 15 Apr, Nobilangelo wrote: > Does anyone know of a way of producing screened separations (as for litho > printing) on a non-PostScript printer? > > A RiscPC-equipped relative (not on email) wants to do full-colour > screen-printing, but only has a couple of inkjets. They are good enough > for camera-ready art (at the resolutions he does screen-printing), but it > seems that only PostScript printers are geared to screened separations. > True/False? Wasn't that also possible with the Turbo drivers and the CC applications? You could of course get the separations by printing to a postscript file and use a PS or PDF reader that allows drawfile saving and print the respective drawfiles one by one with the black cartridge in the halftone you want. Is this an experiment or a commercial undertaking? There are some specialised inkjets that print with a kind of black wax directly on the silkscreen emulsion and then the silkscreen frame is exposed to UV light. This works more or less to 65 lpi. Quite expensive machines. A smaller one that does the same for coarser screens (T-shirt printing) is sold by Gerber. Is the idea to make camera-ready screened separations on paper and from them positive films for the rest of the process? Or does he want to make transparent films in one step. There are more opaque black inks available for that purpose. Remember that the dpi of the inkjet should be 16X the lpi if you want to print all the 256 shades for a decent print. A 600 dpi inkjet gives a theoretical 37.5 lpi screen but you can't compare the dots of that inkjet with the dots of an image setter. Printing good full-colour work in silkscreen printing isn't that easy so if it is meant to be serious I would advise him to get his films from an image setter. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 16 01:13:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93626 for opro ; Fri, 16 Apr 99 01:13:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924217755:20:10094:20; Thu, 15 Apr 99 23:09:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009992; 15 Apr 99 23:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA05878 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:58:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05873 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:58:14 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.80) [193.149.71.80] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Xv66-000144-00; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:59:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 23:49:34 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Printing documents containing JPEGs with CCs Turbo Drivers Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 15 Apr 99 (18:40:11), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >>printing JPEG's > >This is probably heading up the list of FAQ's. > >The problem was resolved in August 1997, and if you look >at the maillist archive for that time, you can read all about it. > Thanks David, I've followed your instructions from 8/97 and the problem's solved. Now to contact Pineapple and see if they've a similar solution ;-) Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 16 19:23:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93659 for opro ; Fri, 16 Apr 99 19:23:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924275073:20:12848:18; Fri, 16 Apr 99 15:04:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104561; 16 Apr 99 15:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA06749 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:41:19 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06744 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:41:07 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Y9hC-000IeT-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:34:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:24:02 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Postscript output To: Ovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 05 Apr, Peter wrote: > > >> Hi, > >> > >> A quick question for all you postscipt experts! I am producing a full > >> colour booklet (8 sides of A5) that will be professionally printed from > >> a postscript file - well that's the plan anyway. > >> > >> What Postscript driver should I use? Postscript level1 or level2? I have > >> !Printers version 1.54. > > > Sveinung and David G have answered most of the above. I'd add that Level 2 > > is probably fine if you haven't got any sprites in the booklet (vector > > images and text are fine). If you do have sprites then I'd stick with Level > > 1 to be on the safe side, as there's a bug in the Level 2 driver that > > *sometimes* causes jobs to fail (it's an error in the routines that compress > > the bitmaps). When it all works, PS is fine - it can however be a black art > > trying to solve problems sometimes... > > Thanks for all your help so far. Perhaps I should add that the > OvationPro file is 10.7Mb and contains four 24bpp sprites and a > complicated vector (a road map) created in Artworks. > > I have tried Postscript level 1 and it produced a 14.4Mb file, does this > sound about right? Yes >I then checked this file using GhostScript and GView, > the text seemed a bit blocky and not very clear, is that ok? or will it > print like that? It's fine. For simplicity, I never map my fonts and always have them downloaded into the the postscript file. At high resolution printing, which is what you are after, then fonts print abosolutely ok. But they do always appear blocky in Ghostscript. >Also two of the images use the transparent mask which > didn't work in the PostScript file. The bits that should be transparent > were white instead. This is a known problem. The work around from David Pilling is to not select 'Colour' in the configuration window of the printer driver. This might sound like it won't print out in colour if you do this but don't worry because you are printing separations, which are monochrome anyway. However, regarding this workaround for using transparency, I have not tried it myself yet, though I intend to. It will be very useful if it does work. Has anyone else had chance to test this when printing via a RIP. What will happen if a colour digital laser is used, such as the Indigo or Xeicon? > > With all these potential problems I was wondering if there are any > printers on this list who could take the OvationPro file and do the > whole job for me from that, saving me the hassle of PostScript. David Graddol has mentioned the most relevant ones, but apart from the transparency issue, your file seems fine to me. Your imagesetting bureau might have to get used to you providing a straight postscript file, but if they are worth their salt then they should not find it a problem. Just make sure you do get proofs. Of course using an Acorn friendly printer is the safest bet, but you don't get the benefits of developing a face to face relationship and being able to pick and choose your printer/imaging vendor. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 16 19:24:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93664 for opro ; Fri, 16 Apr 99 19:24:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924276717:10:24068:20; Fri, 16 Apr 99 15:31:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115161; 16 Apr 99 15:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA06831 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:14:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06825 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:14:04 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10YAF9-000A4E-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:09:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:24:02 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Postscript output To: Ovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 05 Apr, Peter wrote: > > >> Hi, > >> > >> A quick question for all you postscipt experts! I am producing a full > >> colour booklet (8 sides of A5) that will be professionally printed from > >> a postscript file - well that's the plan anyway. > >> > >> What Postscript driver should I use? Postscript level1 or level2? I have > >> !Printers version 1.54. > > > Sveinung and David G have answered most of the above. I'd add that Level 2 > > is probably fine if you haven't got any sprites in the booklet (vector > > images and text are fine). If you do have sprites then I'd stick with Level > > 1 to be on the safe side, as there's a bug in the Level 2 driver that > > *sometimes* causes jobs to fail (it's an error in the routines that compress > > the bitmaps). When it all works, PS is fine - it can however be a black art > > trying to solve problems sometimes... > > Thanks for all your help so far. Perhaps I should add that the > OvationPro file is 10.7Mb and contains four 24bpp sprites and a > complicated vector (a road map) created in Artworks. > > I have tried Postscript level 1 and it produced a 14.4Mb file, does this > sound about right? Yes >I then checked this file using GhostScript and GView, > the text seemed a bit blocky and not very clear, is that ok? or will it > print like that? It's fine. For simplicity, I never map my fonts and always have them downloaded into the the postscript file. At high resolution printing, which is what you are after, then fonts print abosolutely ok. But they do always appear blocky in Ghostscript. >Also two of the images use the transparent mask which > didn't work in the PostScript file. The bits that should be transparent > were white instead. This is a known problem. The work around from David Pilling is to not select 'Colour' in the configuration window of the printer driver. This might sound like it won't print out in colour if you do this but don't worry because you are printing separations, which are monochrome anyway. However, regarding this workaround for using transparency, I have not tried it myself yet, though I intend to. It will be very useful if it does work. Has anyone else had chance to test this when printing via a RIP. What will happen if a colour digital laser is used, such as the Indigo or Xeicon? > > With all these potential problems I was wondering if there are any > printers on this list who could take the OvationPro file and do the > whole job for me from that, saving me the hassle of PostScript. David Graddol has mentioned the most relevant ones, but apart from the transparency issue, your file seems fine to me. Your imagesetting bureau might have to get used to you providing a straight postscript file, but if they are worth their salt then they should not find it a problem. Just make sure you do get proofs. Of course using an Acorn friendly printer is the safest bet, but you don't get the benefits of developing a face to face relationship and being able to pick and choose your printer/imaging vendor. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 16 19:24:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93665 for opro ; Fri, 16 Apr 99 19:24:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924277999:10:14846:33; Fri, 16 Apr 99 15:53:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124961; 16 Apr 99 15:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA06920 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:26:51 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06907 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:26:35 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23408 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:27:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA24593 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:27:32 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Postscript output Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:26:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000101be881d$8d8ade30$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > but don't worry because you are printing separations, which are > monochrome anyway. However, regarding this workaround for using > transparency, I have not tried it myself yet, though I intend to. It will > be very useful if it does work. Has anyone else had chance to test this > when printing via a RIP. What will happen if a colour digital laser is > used, such as the Indigo or Xeicon? I can't recall any specific transparency issues, but you can send composite PS files to an Indigo anyway, which probably obviates the problem. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 16 19:24:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93668 for opro ; Fri, 16 Apr 99 19:24:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924282396:10:17230:17; Fri, 16 Apr 99 17:06:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125450; 16 Apr 99 17:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA07118 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:56:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07113 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:56:07 +0100 Received: from [158.152.237.88] (helo=MLD_Server) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10YBvN-00001g-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:57:05 +0000 Received: from 97.4.0.33 by MLD_Server ([97.4.0.87] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:55:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Postscript output Message-ID: <48f3bf6598andy@mld.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/0.47g (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.1 - Registered to: Micro Laser Designs Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alan Muscat wrote: > This is a known problem. The work around from David Pilling is > to not select 'Colour' in the configuration window of the printer > driver. This might sound like it won't print out in colour if you do > this > but don't worry because you are printing separations, which are > monochrome anyway. However, regarding this workaround for using > transparency, I have not tried it myself yet, though I intend to. It will > be very useful if it does work. Has anyone else had chance to test this > when printing via a RIP. What will happen if a colour digital laser is > used, such as the Indigo or Xeicon? When printing to colour separations via PS you MUST NOT have colour selected in the printer driver. Using our Linotronic and RIP we have NEVER had a transparency/mask fail to work properly (there's a first time for anything I suppose) but on our Fiery/Kodak CLC and WISP/Canon RIP (both full colour Postscript laser copiers) the masks hardly ever work in sprites with MORE than 8 bpp. It's the composite output in colour that causes the problems - separations or greyscale output (ie colour not ticked) seem to work fine! I'm not sure about the digital press RIPs because we don't have one yet.... > > > > With all these potential problems I was wondering if there are any > > printers on this list who could take the OvationPro file and do the > > whole job for me from that, saving me the hassle of PostScript. BLATANT ADVERT: We can! > -- > Alan Muscat > Grapevine Digital Arts > email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk > Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong Cheers all Andrew J Bissex -- *** NOTE NEW DOMAIN NAME *** NOTE NEW DOMAIN NAME *** _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ Home of the MLD Print+Publish Mail list for Acorn users who use their machines for printing and publishing! To subscribe send a message to ListServer@mld.co.uk with 'subscribe print+publish' as the subject. _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * ACORN CofT SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 17 13:48:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93691 for opro ; Sat, 17 Apr 99 13:47:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924348495:20:24797:16; Sat, 17 Apr 99 11:28:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126492; 17 Apr 99 11:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA08075 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:19:29 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08070 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:19:17 +0100 Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.52.115]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA2E1F for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:19:55 +0200 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:18:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Subject: RE: Postscript output To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <000101be881d$8d8ade30$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg The Netherlands Schaijk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > but don't worry because you are printing separations, which are > > monochrome anyway. However, regarding this workaround for using > > transparency, I have not tried it myself yet, though I intend to. It will > > be very useful if it does work. Has anyone else had chance to test this > > when printing via a RIP. The transparency problem is in the postcript file, so it makes no difference which printing device you use. We had the problem as wel with Docutech Colour and Majestic Colour. Printing monochrome postcript (with ore without separations) there is no problem. Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Vanaf medio 1999: Runstraat 27b Schaijk. Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 17 13:48:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93692 for opro ; Sat, 17 Apr 99 13:48:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924348522:20:25435:16; Sat, 17 Apr 99 11:28:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025408; 17 Apr 99 11:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA08056 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:16:49 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08051 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:16:37 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10YSyq-000GLr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:09:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:24:02 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Postscript output To: Ovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 05 Apr, Peter wrote: > > >> Hi, > >> > >> A quick question for all you postscipt experts! I am producing a full > >> colour booklet (8 sides of A5) that will be professionally printed from > >> a postscript file - well that's the plan anyway. > >> > >> What Postscript driver should I use? Postscript level1 or level2? I have > >> !Printers version 1.54. > > > Sveinung and David G have answered most of the above. I'd add that Level 2 > > is probably fine if you haven't got any sprites in the booklet (vector > > images and text are fine). If you do have sprites then I'd stick with Level > > 1 to be on the safe side, as there's a bug in the Level 2 driver that > > *sometimes* causes jobs to fail (it's an error in the routines that compress > > the bitmaps). When it all works, PS is fine - it can however be a black art > > trying to solve problems sometimes... > > Thanks for all your help so far. Perhaps I should add that the > OvationPro file is 10.7Mb and contains four 24bpp sprites and a > complicated vector (a road map) created in Artworks. > > I have tried Postscript level 1 and it produced a 14.4Mb file, does this > sound about right? Yes >I then checked this file using GhostScript and GView, > the text seemed a bit blocky and not very clear, is that ok? or will it > print like that? It's fine. For simplicity, I never map my fonts and always have them downloaded into the the postscript file. At high resolution printing, which is what you are after, then fonts print abosolutely ok. But they do always appear blocky in Ghostscript. >Also two of the images use the transparent mask which > didn't work in the PostScript file. The bits that should be transparent > were white instead. This is a known problem. The work around from David Pilling is to not select 'Colour' in the configuration window of the printer driver. This might sound like it won't print out in colour if you do this but don't worry because you are printing separations, which are monochrome anyway. However, regarding this workaround for using transparency, I have not tried it myself yet, though I intend to. It will be very useful if it does work. Has anyone else had chance to test this when printing via a RIP. What will happen if a colour digital laser is used, such as the Indigo or Xeicon? > > With all these potential problems I was wondering if there are any > printers on this list who could take the OvationPro file and do the > whole job for me from that, saving me the hassle of PostScript. David Graddol has mentioned the most relevant ones, but apart from the transparency issue, your file seems fine to me. Your imagesetting bureau might have to get used to you providing a straight postscript file, but if they are worth their salt then they should not find it a problem. Just make sure you do get proofs. Of course using an Acorn friendly printer is the safest bet, but you don't get the benefits of developing a face to face relationship and being able to pick and choose your printer/imaging vendor. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 17 14:47:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93699 for opro ; Sat, 17 Apr 99 14:47:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924355429:20:02986:16; Sat, 17 Apr 99 13:23:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002763; 17 Apr 99 13:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08347 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:14:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08342 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:14:02 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10YUpc-0000oI-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:08:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:24:02 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Postscript output To: Ovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 05 Apr, Peter wrote: > > >> Hi, > >> > >> A quick question for all you postscipt experts! I am producing a full > >> colour booklet (8 sides of A5) that will be professionally printed from > >> a postscript file - well that's the plan anyway. > >> > >> What Postscript driver should I use? Postscript level1 or level2? I have > >> !Printers version 1.54. > > > Sveinung and David G have answered most of the above. I'd add that Level 2 > > is probably fine if you haven't got any sprites in the booklet (vector > > images and text are fine). If you do have sprites then I'd stick with Level > > 1 to be on the safe side, as there's a bug in the Level 2 driver that > > *sometimes* causes jobs to fail (it's an error in the routines that compress > > the bitmaps). When it all works, PS is fine - it can however be a black art > > trying to solve problems sometimes... > > Thanks for all your help so far. Perhaps I should add that the > OvationPro file is 10.7Mb and contains four 24bpp sprites and a > complicated vector (a road map) created in Artworks. > > I have tried Postscript level 1 and it produced a 14.4Mb file, does this > sound about right? Yes >I then checked this file using GhostScript and GView, > the text seemed a bit blocky and not very clear, is that ok? or will it > print like that? It's fine. For simplicity, I never map my fonts and always have them downloaded into the the postscript file. At high resolution printing, which is what you are after, then fonts print abosolutely ok. But they do always appear blocky in Ghostscript. >Also two of the images use the transparent mask which > didn't work in the PostScript file. The bits that should be transparent > were white instead. This is a known problem. The work around from David Pilling is to not select 'Colour' in the configuration window of the printer driver. This might sound like it won't print out in colour if you do this but don't worry because you are printing separations, which are monochrome anyway. However, regarding this workaround for using transparency, I have not tried it myself yet, though I intend to. It will be very useful if it does work. Has anyone else had chance to test this when printing via a RIP. What will happen if a colour digital laser is used, such as the Indigo or Xeicon? > > With all these potential problems I was wondering if there are any > printers on this list who could take the OvationPro file and do the > whole job for me from that, saving me the hassle of PostScript. David Graddol has mentioned the most relevant ones, but apart from the transparency issue, your file seems fine to me. Your imagesetting bureau might have to get used to you providing a straight postscript file, but if they are worth their salt then they should not find it a problem. Just make sure you do get proofs. Of course using an Acorn friendly printer is the safest bet, but you don't get the benefits of developing a face to face relationship and being able to pick and choose your printer/imaging vendor. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 19 19:18:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93729 for opro ; Mon, 19 Apr 99 19:18:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924469382:10:24472:16; Sun, 18 Apr 99 21:03:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107816; 18 Apr 99 21:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA10014 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:46:22 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA10006 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:46:06 +0100 Received: from [158.152.89.120] (helo=snave.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10YyTT-000EwT-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:47:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:29:02 +0100 Subject: Print overflow problem Message-ID: <48f4a93131jack@snave.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11h (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The following mailing I sent y'day was returned because I got the maillist address wrong: --------------- A problem I've not struck before ... Trying to print a 2 page newsletter, page 1 prints OK and then OP comes up with an error msg 'Overflow while transforming point (print cancelled' and that's the end. Happens every time. Is there anything I can do about it? (I've tried increasing Wimpslot in !Run from 1380K to 2380K without any effect). I'm running OP2.51 on an SA RPC with 50MB RAM with a Calligraph printer, V3.21 printer driver. I need to solve this urgently so any help would be greatly appreciated. --------------- I've solved the problem now. There was a text frame with border inside another text frame with a border on the left side to produce a vertical bar, which OPro didn't like. Taking the secondary text out and replacing it in the primary frame was the cure. I mention this now just for the record and in case it's a curable bug. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 20 01:51:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93764 for opro ; Tue, 20 Apr 99 01:51:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924554671:20:16312:16; Mon, 19 Apr 99 20:44:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016262; 19 Apr 99 20:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA11772 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:25:39 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11763 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:25:23 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ZKbl-0003Yp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:25:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 99 19:25:20 GMT Message-Id: <93738@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print overflow problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Trying to print a 2 page newsletter, page 1 prints OK and then OP comes >up with an error msg 'Overflow while transforming point (print cancelled' >and that's the end. Happens every time. This sounds like numerical precision problems in the printer driver. The classic example is printing bit maps to CC Turbo or Laser Direct, because those drivers have quite a modest limit on the number of pixels permitted in the bit map. I was surprised by your solution because it didn't sound to include anything suspicious. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 20 01:51:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93765 for opro ; Tue, 20 Apr 99 01:51:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924566915:20:07054:23; Tue, 20 Apr 99 00:08:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006708; 20 Apr 99 0:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA12064 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:58:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12059 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:57:54 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ZNvD-000419-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:57:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:37:24 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Postscript output To: Ovation In-Reply-To: <48f3bf6598andy@mld.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 16 Apr, Andrew J Bissex wrote: > > In article , > Alan Muscat wrote: > > > This is a known problem. The work around from David Pilling is > > to not select 'Colour' in the configuration window of the printer > > driver. This might sound like it won't print out in colour if you do > > this > > but don't worry because you are printing separations, which are > > monochrome anyway. However, regarding this workaround for using > > transparency, I have not tried it myself yet, though I intend to. It will > > be very useful if it does work. Has anyone else had chance to test this > > when printing via a RIP. What will happen if a colour digital laser is > > used, such as the Indigo or Xeicon? > > When printing to colour separations via PS you MUST NOT have colour > selected in the printer driver. I have usually had this selected for separation output and do not appear to have had problems. What great disaster should have befallen me by having 'colour' ticked? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 20 14:13:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93780 for opro ; Tue, 20 Apr 99 14:13:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924576380:10:24000:16; Tue, 20 Apr 99 02:46:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023975; 20 Apr 99 2:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA12408 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:32:08 +0100 Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (root@halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA12398 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:31:43 +0100 Received: from koalasft.pnc.com.au (d45-nas1.Pen.pnc.com.au [203.57.114.45]) by halibut.pnc.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id M Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:54:43 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Jones Subject: Loading older versions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have upgraded to V2.52, moved 2.49 to the surplus to requirements space in a suitably named folder. Changed all references to V2.49 to show 2.52 and associated path names. Without having any version of OvnPro loaded, double clicked on a OvnPro document and it loaded V2.49.. Dropping the same doc' onto V2.52 still works ok as it should. Is there a part of the doc' which remembers which version it was created with and keeps track of were the application has gone?. It was moved within the confines of the same hard disc. Is Fox Moulder listening here... Cheers Alan ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** Windows: Just another pane in the glass. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 20 14:13:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93781 for opro ; Tue, 20 Apr 99 14:13:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924576392:20:18049:17; Tue, 20 Apr 99 02:46:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100964; 20 Apr 99 2:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA12406 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:32:01 +0100 Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (root@halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA12397 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:31:39 +0100 Received: from koalasft.pnc.com.au (d45-nas1.Pen.pnc.com.au [203.57.114.45]) by halibut.pnc.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id M Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:44:59 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Jones Subject: Re: multibar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 19 Apr, Alan Jones wrote: > > > > > > OK you can all go back to sleep. I have found it. The MultiRow > > > Macro. > > > > Dear Alan, > > It would be nice to share the answer in the lists - I was waiting to hear! > > Thanks > > Don Lewis > I do apologise Don and others. > > On Disc 5 of OvnPro in the Macros folder are two macros, > ImpKeys and MultiRow. > > There is also a readme file which advises how to run these in the > short (temporary) term and also how to include them in OvnPro to > run as part of the default document. > > Cheers > > Alan > > > ************************************************************************** > Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | > Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | > Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | > | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | > ************************************************************************** > Windows: Just another pane in the glass. > > > ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** Windows: Just another pane in the glass. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 20 19:25:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93816 for opro ; Tue, 20 Apr 99 19:25:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924629414:10:18515:17; Tue, 20 Apr 99 17:30:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108084; 20 Apr 99 17:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA13217 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:14:41 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13212 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:14:30 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Ze6l-0003ET-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:14:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 99 16:10:48 GMT Message-Id: <93803@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading older versions X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a part of the doc' which remembers which version it was created >with and keeps track of were the application has gone?. No, everything is standard RISC OS. Which means that what runs when you double click on a file is determined by the run action set up for that filetype. Something you can easily check with F12 show alias$@runtype_B27 Running your old 2.49 version will of course set this run action to point to itself. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 21 00:07:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93818 for opro ; Wed, 21 Apr 99 00:07:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924649256:20:00350:17; Tue, 20 Apr 99 23:00:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000309; 20 Apr 99 23:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA13613 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:48:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA13608 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:48:40 +0100 Received: from (193.149.76.176) [193.149.76.176] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10ZjKC-0005cF-00; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:49:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:54:37 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: Loading older versions Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro IMHO RISCOS will load whichever version of Opro it 'saw' last (i.e. which !boot file inside the actual application was last run) so it may be that you had not rebooted the machine after updating everything OR that somehow in your boot sequence both your copies of Opro are being seen and V2.49 is seen after V2.52. If you can't sort out the problem from this try removing the ! from your 2.49 version by renaming it to OvnPro. You can't do any damage and can always put the ! back in again later. Hope this is of some use. -- Richard Watkinson 126 Onslow Road SHEFFIELD S11 7AG 0114 266828 rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 21 14:02:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93848 for opro ; Wed, 21 Apr 99 14:02:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924695608:20:17688:16; Wed, 21 Apr 99 11:53:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121684; 21 Apr 99 11:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA14358 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:31:40 +0100 Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA14353 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:31:29 +0100 Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:31:53 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00395 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:30:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:30:40 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Page pallette To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Recently loading a document, I also get the Page Palette presented. This palette is unwanted and unintentional, but I can't see how to prevent it. Can anyone help? Thanks Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 21 16:49:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93861 for opro ; Wed, 21 Apr 99 16:49:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924708861:10:28226:16; Wed, 21 Apr 99 15:34:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100320; 21 Apr 99 15:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA14610 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:01:20 +0100 Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA14605 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:01:06 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-103.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.103]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA1 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:29:01 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Loading older versions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 20 Apr, Richard Watkinson wrote: > IMHO RISCOS will load whichever version of Opro it 'saw' last (i.e. > which !boot file inside the actual application was last run) so it may > be that you had not rebooted the machine after updating everything OR > that somehow in your boot sequence both your copies of Opro are being > seen and V2.49 is seen after V2.52. > > If you can't sort out the problem from this try removing the ! from > your 2.49 version by renaming it to OvnPro. You can't do any damage > and can always put the ! back in again later. > No no, don't go to all that :-) Just open up !Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks.!Boot and change the directory reference for !OvnPro. Regards JW -- ---------------- Acorns in Spain Tel:+34 971 872322 Fax:+34 971 872309 ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 22 19:49:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93928 for opro ; Thu, 22 Apr 99 19:49:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924805330:10:09497:18; Thu, 22 Apr 99 18:22:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115328; 22 Apr 99 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA15987 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:15:36 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15982 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:15:23 +0100 Received: from modem-52.teacher.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.121.180] helo=loopback) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10aN4l-00061i-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:15:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:19:37 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page pallette Message-ID: <48F66546DB%snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Beyond the reality barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (08 Oct 1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Dr. D. M. Lewis" wrote: > Recently loading a document, I also get the Page Palette presented. This > palette is unwanted and unintentional, but I can't see how to prevent it. > Can anyone help? I'm pretty sure that all the "palette" windows are implemented using Aplets. In which case just remove the Page Palette applet from your Applets directory. -- (\/)atthew Hambley --------------\ "Tell me what you know or I'll pee in \ your ear!" snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk \ - Gaspode interogates a Gargoyle http://www.therealm.freeserve.co.uk \------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 23 13:33:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA93960 for opro ; Fri, 23 Apr 99 13:33:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924866035:20:10752:16; Fri, 23 Apr 99 11:13:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010367; 23 Apr 99 11:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA16903 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:27 +0100 Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com (hil-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.177.138]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16898 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:13 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id GAA22645 for ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:43:00 -0400 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Inkjet printing To: OvationPro Mailing List Message-ID: <199904230643_MC2-7317-AD1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAA16899 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro A belated thanks to those who answered with my query about producing a screen without a Postscript printer. I should have thought of the Turbo driver, although I have not used it for so many years that it had long passed beyond my mental orbit. There have been queries/discussions on this mailing list in recent months about which is the best inkjet to buy. I have just spent a couple of weeks reviewing the combination of Canon's BJC-7100 and Spacetech's BJC-7100 driver, and found the former to be the best inkjet I have ever reviewed and the latter to be equal to the machine. -- Nobilangelo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobilangelo Ceramalus: Writer, journalist, desktop publisher, graphics-designer, webmaster, image-processor, cabinetmaker. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 24 14:44:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94028 for opro ; Sat, 24 Apr 99 14:44:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924923354:10:11047:21; Sat, 24 Apr 99 03:09:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104318; 24 Apr 99 3:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA18043 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 03:57:56 +0100 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA18038 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 03:57:42 +0100 Received: from xtr474144.xtra.co.nz ([210.55.148.218]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990424025956.QZFT5596385.mta1-rme@xtr474144.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:59:56 +1200 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:56:51 +1200 (GMT) From: Rob Sinclair Subject: Re: Inkjet printing To: OP list In-Reply-To: <199904230643_MC2-7317-AD1@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 23 Apr, Nobilangelo wrote: > A belated thanks to those who answered with my query about producing a > screen without a Postscript printer. I should have thought of the Turbo > driver, although I have not used it for so many years that it had long > passed beyond my mental orbit. > > There have been queries/discussions on this mailing list in recent months > about which is the best inkjet to buy. I have just spent a couple of weeks > reviewing the combination of Canon's BJC-7100 and Spacetech's BJC-7100 > driver, and found the former to be the best inkjet I have ever reviewed and > the latter to be equal to the machine. > -- I'm currently using a BJC4200 and an Epson Stylus Col.500 (plus a Novajet Pro36 large format). Using std Acorn drivers the Epson is much better at colour photos (I don't have the Canon PhotoReal kit) but in common with other Epsons has a ridiculously large bottom margin - manual says 14 but it needs 16mm to be safe. So I'm looking at either a new Epson or the BJC7000/7100. Are you able to comment on how the BJC7100 compares to the current Epsons (both with & without Spacetech's drivers)? -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions - Large Format Digital Graphics PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 24 14:44:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94029 for opro ; Sat, 24 Apr 99 14:44:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924932571:10:28871:16; Sat, 24 Apr 99 05:42:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028846; 24 Apr 99 5:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA18173 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:16:49 +0100 Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (ah-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.153]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA18168 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:16:37 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.3) id BAA12435 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:17:13 -0400 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Re: Inkjet printing To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199904240117_MC2-733F-31C5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id GAA18169 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have always thought the thermal inkjets (Canon. HP, etc) superior to the piezo-electrics (Epson), because blowing droplets out with boiled vapour is naturally less prone to blockages than batting them out with a vibrating crystal. The BJC-7100 adds to that security by making it very easy to get new heads, if they do ever block or die, partly by default, partly by choice. Whenever you get a new black cartridge you get new black and optimiser heads. The photo and colour cartridges have replaceable ink-tanks, so you can replace the whole cartridge (heads and tank) or just the tank. (But I have never had head block or die on a BJC6X0.) Using vapour-pressure also gives you more control over the droplet it seems. The BJC-7100 can manage 25 tonal levels per droplet, which gives good shadow detail and subtle light areas. The BJC-7X00s have a unique feature in that they coat plain paper on the fly, thus upping the quality of the print. That optimiser (an eighth head, located in the black cartridge) works superbly. Each ink droplet is preceded by a droplet of optimiser, and the mixed droplet bonds chemically to the paper, making the ink very stable--there is very little spread along the fibres, both on printing and on handling. I pushed that `P-POP' system (Plain-Paper Optimised Printing) by printing the Artworks Midget graphic (the red MG) on a manilla envelope, and when I saw how shinily wet the ink was in the dense areas as they passed under the heads I wondered what sort of a mess was going to emerge on to the stacking tray. The answer was as close to perfect as one could expect on a manilla envelope, given that its colour--uneven colour at that--is not the best background for an image. But the ink did not smudge or spread. I also ran a plain paper print under the tap, and for good measure rubbed it with my fingers. But I had to look at it under a botanist's magnifying-glass to find out if any dots had spread, because to the naked eye, apart from the wrinkling in the paper, there was no difference. Under the glass some dots here and there exhibited a slight amount of spreading. And not the slightest hint of colour had flowed down the plug-hole. Canon also has an astonishingly divergent range of media for the BJC-7X00: at least twelve at present count. For the BJC-7100 that includes A4+, with which you can print A4 bleeds (it is an oversized A4, so you can trim the edges after printing). It can also take customised paper/media down to 100x100mm and up to 241.3x584.2mm; paper down to 64gsm; and, via the alternative straight manual feed at the back, card up to 550gsm (i.e., 0.8mm thick). The Epson Photo700, the direct rival to the BJC-7100, is cheaper than the Canon. It can also take card, but (officially) only up to 0.23mm thick. It has piezo-electric heads, which are separate from its ink supply, and if you run its images under the tap they run (to my amusement the dealer apologised to me for that). It also has far fewer nozzles than the BJC-7100: 6x32 rather than the 6x80 on the BJC-7100's photo and colour heads and the 2x304 on its black/optimiser head. The Epson's maximum of 1440x720dpi is superior to the Canon's 1200x600dpi, but the effect of Canon's P-POP and the 25 tones per droplet, to my eye, makes its apparent resolution greater than its rated resolution. On plain paper individual dots are very hard to see with the naked eye. The Canon's ink tanks have a significantly higher capacity than the Epson's, and its256K buffer is obviously superior to the Epson's 64K. But, sadly, neither has a StrongARM (although the Canon can pump out an A4 colour photo in six minutes). Now for the Big Plug: for more detail on the Canon BJC-7100, read my upcoming review in Risc User 12:04. I am afraid I raved a bit, but it is a fine machine (that sentence is not part of the plug). -- Nobilangelo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobilangelo Ceramalus: Writer, journalist, desktop publisher, graphics-designer, webmaster, image-processor, cabinetmaker. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 24 16:16:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94039 for opro ; Sat, 24 Apr 99 16:16:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924965114:10:12020:19; Sat, 24 Apr 99 14:45:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011898; 24 Apr 99 14:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA18764 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:35:14 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18759 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:35:02 +0100 Received: from modem-65.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.11.193] helo=orchard-way) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10b3XQ-0007RR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:36:12 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:47:47 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Inkjet printing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Fri 23 Apr, Nobilangelo wrote: > > A belated thanks to those who answered with my query about producing a > > screen without a Postscript printer. I should have thought of the Turbo > > driver, although I have not used it for so many years that it had long > > passed beyond my mental orbit. > > > > There have been queries/discussions on this mailing list in recent months > > about which is the best inkjet to buy. I have just spent a couple of weeks > > reviewing the combination of Canon's BJC-7100 and Spacetech's BJC-7100 > > driver, and found the former to be the best inkjet I have ever reviewed and > > the latter to be equal to the machine. > > -- > > I'm currently using a BJC4200 and an Epson Stylus Col.500 (plus a Novajet > Pro36 large format). Using std Acorn drivers the Epson is much better at > colour photos (I don't have the Canon PhotoReal kit) but in common with > other Epsons has a ridiculously large bottom margin - manual says 14 but it > needs 16mm to be safe. So I'm looking at either a new Epson or the > BJC7000/7100. > > Are you able to comment on how the BJC7100 compares to the current Epsons > (both with & without Spacetech's drivers)? > The bottom margin on earlier Canon printers is caused by the fact that the paper is pushed towards the heads. On the BJC4650 I have, there is an additional pull roller on the exit cover, and this printer will go very close to the ends. I have the following margins for A4 Top 2.5, Bottom 2.0, Left 4.6, Right 1.0. (Since it is an A3 printer, right can be 0, but I am playing safe.) -- Alan Adams email: Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 24 16:16:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94040 for opro ; Sat, 24 Apr 99 16:16:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924961673:20:06672:16; Sat, 24 Apr 99 13:47:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118466; 24 Apr 99 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA18618 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:37:10 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18613 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:36:56 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10b2dB-0006vF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:38:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:34:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Inkjet printing To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199904240117_MC2-733F-31C5@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 24 Apr, Nobilangelo wrote: > Using vapour-pressure also gives you more control over the droplet it > seems. The BJC-7100 can manage 25 tonal levels per droplet, I'm afraid this is not correct but it will too much off topic to discuss it here. The 25 colour shades are achieved on the printed dot and the droplet size variation per inkhead is far less. The Epson 900 inkheads achieve more than that. > The BJC-7X00s have a unique feature in that they coat plain paper on the > fly, thus upping the quality of the print. That optimiser (an eighth head, > located in the black cartridge) works superbly. Each ink droplet is > preceded by a droplet of optimiser, and the mixed droplet bonds chemically > to the paper, making the ink very stable--there is very little spread along > the fibres, both on printing and on handling. I agree that this makes it a unique and good home printer, the professional wide format Mimaki with 7 heads has a similar feature. Is there some information on better fading protection as a result of that technique? > The Epson Photo700, the direct rival to the BJC-7100, is cheaper than the > Canon. It can also take card, but (officially) only up to 0.23mm thick. It Three Epsons that must be on sale now and which are better in picture quality; Epson 900, a CMYK printer using 3 picolitre droplets and 0% + 6 dropletsize variation on A4, best quality on cheap paper. Epson 750, a CcMmYK printer using 6 picolitre droplets and 0% + 4 droplet size variation on A4, best quality on good paper. Epson 1200 same as the 750 but A3+ Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 24 16:17:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94043 for opro ; Sat, 24 Apr 99 16:16:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924966583:20:23365:22; Sat, 24 Apr 99 15:09:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102674; 24 Apr 99 15:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA18857 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:00:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA18851 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:59:54 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.187) [194.69.104.187] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10b3vT-00054l-00; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:01:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 24 Apr 99 00:39:36 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Inkjet printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 23 Apr 99 (06:43:00), nobilangelo@compuserve.com wrote: >There have been queries/discussions on this mailing list in recent >months about which is the best inkjet to buy. I have just spent a >couple of weeks reviewing the combination of Canon's BJC-7100 and >Spacetech's BJC-7100 driver, and found the former to be the best inkjet >I have ever reviewed and the latter to be equal to the machine. > I agree. The BJC-7100's ability to print sharp images on any medium is almost uncanny - I haven't tried blotting paper yet, but I think it would work! And the Spacetech software is very well presented, though I find the BJC-7000 driver processes documents much quicker than (and almost as effectively as) the BJC-7100. Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 26 20:01:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94059 for opro ; Mon, 26 Apr 99 20:01:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 924979056:20:26626:16; Sat, 24 Apr 99 18:37:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026574; 24 Apr 99 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA19075 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:21:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19070 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:21:34 +0100 Received: from [158.152.17.219] (helo=oxted.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10b74h-000O0d-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:22:47 +0000 Message-ID: <9wtCFBACEeI3EwBp@oxted.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:19:30 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: George Foot Subject: Re: Inkjet printing References: <199904240117_MC2-733F-31C5@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have found the Epson printer to be incomparably the best for quality, I have the Epson 3000 which prints to A2 size with remarkable resolution and is a real work-horse. George Foot In message , Ernst Dinkla writes >In on Sat 24 Apr, Nobilangelo wrote: > >> Using vapour-pressure also gives you more control over the droplet it >> seems. The BJC-7100 can manage 25 tonal levels per droplet, > >I'm afraid this is not correct but it will too much off topic to discuss >it here. The 25 colour shades are achieved on the printed dot and the >droplet size variation per inkhead is far less. The Epson 900 inkheads >achieve more than that. > -- George Foot georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk http://www.oxted.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 27 14:05:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94163 for opro ; Tue, 27 Apr 99 14:05:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925203230:10:24714:24; Tue, 27 Apr 99 08:53:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102012; 27 Apr 99 8:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA22266 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:40:36 +0100 Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22260 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:40:21 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45] helo=rjet1) by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.951 #1) id 10c3Py-0003RF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:40:38 +0100 Message-ID: <00f101be9089$7bace400$2d8d6f83@quns.cam.ac.uk> From: "Rupert Thompson" To: References: <48f93a609bjmgray@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Invisibles Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:39:37 +0100 Organization: University of Cambridge, England MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: J.M. Gray To: Ovation News Group Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 9:19 AM Subject: Invisibles > Where can I find a full list and description of 'Invisibles' other than those > on page 84 of the Reference Guide? I have a document which shows, for > example, an = but withh three horizontal lines, and also an infinity sign > missing the right hand quarter of the sign. These follow a MathGreek symbol - > but I had expected invisibles to be independent of typeface. > > Thanks, Jeremy > > -- > Jeremy Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society > jmgray@argonet.co.uk > BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 27 14:05:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94164 for opro ; Tue, 27 Apr 99 14:05:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925202349:20:23115:17; Tue, 27 Apr 99 08:39:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111316; 27 Apr 99 8:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA22152 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:22:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA22147 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:21:53 +0100 Received: from (62.188.144.105) [62.188.144.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10c384-0006HI-00; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:22:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: Ovation News Group Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:19:39 +0100 Subject: Invisibles Message-ID: <48f93a609bjmgray@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Where can I find a full list and description of 'Invisibles' other than those on page 84 of the Reference Guide? I have a document which shows, for example, an = but withh three horizontal lines, and also an infinity sign missing the right hand quarter of the sign. These follow a MathGreek symbol - but I had expected invisibles to be independent of typeface. Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 27 14:05:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94165 for opro ; Tue, 27 Apr 99 14:05:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925203435:10:27735:24; Tue, 27 Apr 99 08:57:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027661; 27 Apr 99 8:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA22285 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:42:12 +0100 Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22280 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:42:00 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45] helo=rjet1) by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.951 #1) id 10c3RY-0003Ys-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:42:16 +0100 Message-ID: <00f601be9089$b6581de0$2d8d6f83@quns.cam.ac.uk> From: "Rupert Thompson" To: References: <48f93a609bjmgray@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Invisibles Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:41:15 +0100 Organization: University of Cambridge, England MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: J.M. Gray To: Ovation News Group Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 9:19 AM Subject: Invisibles > Where can I find a full list and description of 'Invisibles' other than those > on page 84 of the Reference Guide? I have a document which shows, for > example, an = but withh three horizontal lines, and also an infinity sign > missing the right hand quarter of the sign. These follow a MathGreek symbol - > but I had expected invisibles to be independent of typeface. They're not; the invisibles display in whatever font happens to be current when they occur. (Sorry for the previous blank message, my finger slipped) -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 27 17:40:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94177 for opro ; Tue, 27 Apr 99 17:40:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925230817:10:14115:20; Tue, 27 Apr 99 16:33:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013181; 27 Apr 99 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA22921 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:05:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA22916 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:05:13 +0100 Received: from (194.69.100.224) [194.69.100.224] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10cAMY-00072T-00; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:05:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(ovation) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:55:40 +0100 X-Organization: Locationworks, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Inkjet printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The Canon sounds very good. At our local Snappy Snaps here in Soho, they have a scanner attached to a computer attached to a Kodak printer which prints very well, but more to the point extreeemely fast. It is a three- or four- pass printer which seems to print out a band of colour about an inch thick. It'll do an A4 colour print in under a minute. What technology is that? -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ ovation@locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 28 14:13:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94206 for opro ; Wed, 28 Apr 99 14:13:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925301452:10:26092:24; Wed, 28 Apr 99 12:10:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025931; 28 Apr 99 12:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA24297 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:55:02 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24292 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:54:48 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.127]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAAA44 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:54:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:52:38 +0100 Subject: Space before Message-ID: <48f9d734c7delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11h (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Here's another challenge for script programmers: We all know that a style can be defined with a specified 'Space before'. Now I would like to have an extra option to specify some Space before, UNLESS text containing that style appears at the top position within a frame. In other words: the specified Space before should only affect text, not frame borders. Is it possible to write a simple script to add this option? (I cannot write scripts, so someone else should do it...). Or is there a cunning combination of existing styles that does the job? Very curious about the replies... Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 28 18:40:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94237 for opro ; Wed, 28 Apr 99 18:40:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925320336:10:08583:18; Wed, 28 Apr 99 17:25:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104432; 28 Apr 99 17:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA24638 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:11:29 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24633 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:11:14 +0100 Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cXs6-000MFN-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:11:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:55:00 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Space before References: <48f9d734c7delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <48f9d734c7delink@news.wxs.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48f9d734c7delink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers writes > >Here's another challenge for script programmers: > >We all know that a style can be defined with a specified 'Space before'. >Now I would like to have an extra option to specify some Space before, >UNLESS text containing that style appears at the top position within a >frame. >In other words: the specified Space before should only affect text, not >frame borders. > >Is it possible to write a simple script to add this option? (I cannot write >scripts, so someone else should do it...). > >Or is there a cunning combination of existing styles that does the job? >Very curious about the replies... > Um. I'm probably missing something here, but why don't you use 'space after'? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 28 18:59:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94247 for opro ; Wed, 28 Apr 99 18:59:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925321424:10:22746:22; Wed, 28 Apr 99 17:43:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022547; 28 Apr 99 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA24727 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:34:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24717 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:33:45 +0100 Received: from [158.152.123.49] (helo=retreat.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cYDz-0004Cc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:34:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:22:58 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: Space before To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <48f9d734c7delink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Apr, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Here's another challenge for script programmers: > > We all know that a style can be defined with a specified 'Space before'. > Now I would like to have an extra option to specify some Space before, > UNLESS text containing that style appears at the top position within a > frame. > In other words: the specified Space before should only affect text, not > frame borders. > I think this is a "me too". If I guess right this is the problem of having styles with 'space before' starting a new page and therefore a new frame when you wish the text to start at the very top of the page. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 28 18:59:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94249 for opro ; Wed, 28 Apr 99 18:59:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925322117:10:01617:21; Wed, 28 Apr 99 17:55:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126395; 28 Apr 99 17:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA24729 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:34:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24722 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:33:50 +0100 Received: from [158.152.123.49] (helo=retreat.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cYE2-0004Cc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:34:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:33:34 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Unwanted kerning of f Y etc To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In preparing a hymn book there are numerous occurrences of f space Y such as "Of Your will.." and "all You are.." etc when using upper case to refer to God or Jesus. When kerned, these are unacceptably close. Occurrences of "from Your Holy Word" are OK as the preceding letter has no trailing ascenders. My work-around is to replace the space with a hyphen set to transparent as in "Of-Your will.." but is there a more elegant way? And could my method give potential problems from the print shop? -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 28 21:06:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94259 for opro ; Wed, 28 Apr 99 21:06:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925326839:20:19430:18; Wed, 28 Apr 99 19:13:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019374; 28 Apr 99 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA25051 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:03:43 +0100 Received: from mail-relay.power.net.uk (mail-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA25046 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:03:30 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust110.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.110]) by mail-relay.power.net.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA14098 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:00:39 +0100 (GMT/BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:50:45 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:51:50 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Space before Message-ID: <8217f8f948%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <48f9d734c7delink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers > writes > > > >Here's another challenge for script programmers: > > > >We all know that a style can be defined with a specified 'Space before'. > >Now I would like to have an extra option to specify some Space before, > >UNLESS text containing that style appears at the top position within a > >frame. > >In other words: the specified Space before should only affect text, not > >frame borders. > > > >Is it possible to write a simple script to add this option? (I cannot write > >scripts, so someone else should do it...). > > > >Or is there a cunning combination of existing styles that does the job? > >Very curious about the replies... > > > Um. I'm probably missing something here, but why don't you use 'space > after'? Because then you need a special version of every paragraph style, for paragraphs which occur before a B head (or whatever). I have wrestled with this problem of 'heading with space before at the top of a column' many times. One workaround is to add a local effect removing space (problem is when your text reflows for some reason and you have to remove the local effect again). There is also a further problem. If you have designed a B head (or whatever) such that the space before + space after is a multiple of the leading - so that lines of text remain aligned across columns or pages, then removing space before a heading at the top of the page throws out the alignment. You are then faced with the prospect of either adding space ad hoc after the heading, leaving it space in before, or (and I've even done this on occasion) placing the heading in a small frame of its own so that it projects above the top line of the text. None of these seem right. Does anyone know what the 'correct' typographical treatment in this situation is? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 28 21:07:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94261 for opro ; Wed, 28 Apr 99 21:07:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925326843:10:29888:17; Wed, 28 Apr 99 19:14:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107401; 28 Apr 99 19:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA25073 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:05:32 +0100 Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA25065 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:05:17 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45] helo=rjet1) by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.951 #1) id 10cZea-0002kM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:05:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01be91a9$ff06f860$2d8d6f83@quns.cam.ac.uk> From: "Rupert Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Unwanted kerning of f Y etc Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:04:52 +0100 Organization: University of Cambridge, England MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolm Cowell To: Ovation mail list Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 6:33 PM Subject: Unwanted kerning of f Y etc > > In preparing a hymn book there are numerous occurrences of f space Y such > as "Of Your will.." and "all You are.." etc when using upper case to refer > to God or Jesus. When kerned, these are unacceptably close. Occurrences of > "from Your Holy Word" are OK as the preceding letter has no trailing > ascenders. > > My work-around is to replace the space with a hyphen set to transparent as > in "Of-Your will.." but is there a more elegant way? And could my method > give potential problems from the print shop? Turn auto-kerning off? -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 29 01:31:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94274 for opro ; Thu, 29 Apr 99 01:31:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925337394:20:15586:47; Wed, 28 Apr 99 22:09:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015472; 28 Apr 99 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA25437 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:55:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25432 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:54:48 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ccIc-000KFy-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:55:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 99 21:16:39 GMT Message-Id: <94268@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Space before X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >so that lines of text remain aligned across columns or pages, >Does anyone know what the 'correct' typographical treatment in this situation is? Select lock to baseline grid in the text style? (always noting that this grid is something different to the drawing grid). As to the general point, I always wanted to emulate Quark and have a 'space before first line in frame' setting. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 29 01:31:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94277 for opro ; Thu, 29 Apr 99 01:31:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925338949:20:05937:26; Wed, 28 Apr 99 22:35:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005562; 28 Apr 99 22:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA25524 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:25:01 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25517 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:24:47 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-23.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.83]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09860 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:23:53 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:24:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Unwanted kerning of f Y etc To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <000c01be91a9$ff06f860$2d8d6f83@quns.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Apr, Rupert Thompson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Malcolm Cowell > > In preparing a hymn book there are numerous occurrences of f space Y such > > as "Of Your will.." and "all You are.." etc when using upper case to > > refer to God or Jesus. When kerned, these are unacceptably close. My > > work-around is to replace the space with a hyphen set to transparent as > > in "Of-Your will.." but is there a more elegant way? And could my method > > give potential problems from the print shop? > > Turn auto-kerning off? ;-) Except that just puts an unholy gap between the Y and o and leaves fY unchanged. Adjust the kerning pairs with !FontKern. tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 29 01:31:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94278 for opro ; Thu, 29 Apr 99 01:31:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925341131:20:03948:16; Wed, 28 Apr 99 23:12:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107107; 28 Apr 99 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA25658 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:59:49 +0100 Received: from mail-relay.power.net.uk (mail-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25653 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:59:37 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust103.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.103]) by mail-relay.power.net.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA02636 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:56:39 +0100 (GMT/BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:44:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:45:15 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Space before Message-ID: <6176dfa48%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <94268@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >so that lines of text remain aligned across columns or pages, > >Does anyone know what the 'correct' typographical treatment in this situation is? > > Select lock to baseline grid in the text style? > > (always noting that this grid is something different to the drawing grid). > > As to the general point, I always wanted to emulate Quark and have a 'space > before first line in frame' setting. > David Pilling Well, locking to baseline would in practice have the same effect as inserting extra space after. I tend not to that because the grid settings get lost if you save out to DDL which I find I have to do from time to clean up the file whilst working on a large project. A 'space before first line in frame' would certainly get over the technical problem. I'm still unsure how to handle the problem in terms of typographic design though. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 29 01:31:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94279 for opro ; Thu, 29 Apr 99 01:31:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925341760:20:11810:21; Wed, 28 Apr 99 23:22:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011751; 28 Apr 99 23:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA25723 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:06:13 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA25714 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:05:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 25893 invoked from network); 28 Apr 1999 23:15:00 -0000 Received: from 66-160.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.160) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 23:15:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:36:13 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Unwanted kerning of f Y etc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Malcolm Cowell wrote: > In preparing a hymn book there are numerous occurrences of f space Y such > as "Of Your will.." and "all You are.." etc when using upper case to refer > to God or Jesus. When kerned, these are unacceptably close. Occurrences of > "from Your Holy Word" are OK as the preceding letter has no trailing > ascenders. > > My work-around is to replace the space with a hyphen set to transparent as > in "Of-Your will.." but is there a more elegant way? And could my method > give potential problems from the print shop? You could define a style with 'H. Scale 150%' and a Scope setting of 'Selection', then select the space netween the two offending words and apply this style to it. The effect is to widen the space by 50%. If you wish to find where this style has been used in a document you can, since they are otherwise invisible, temporarily set the background colour of the style to red. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Text Pager: (+44) 0336 721439 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 29 01:31:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94280 for opro ; Thu, 29 Apr 99 01:31:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925342291:20:17790:16; Wed, 28 Apr 99 23:31:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128937; 28 Apr 99 23:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA25824 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:13:49 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25817 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:13:36 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10cdQP-000AWP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:07:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:31:20 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Space before To: Ovation In-Reply-To: <8217f8f948%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Apr, David Graddol wrote: > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > In message <48f9d734c7delink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers > > writes > > > > > >Here's another challenge for script programmers: > > > > > >We all know that a style can be defined with a specified 'Space before'. > > >Now I would like to have an extra option to specify some Space before, > > >UNLESS text containing that style appears at the top position within a > > >frame. > > >In other words: the specified Space before should only affect text, not > > >frame borders. > > > > > >Is it possible to write a simple script to add this option? (I cannot write > > >scripts, so someone else should do it...). > > > > > >Or is there a cunning combination of existing styles that does the job? > > >Very curious about the replies... > > > > > Um. I'm probably missing something here, but why don't you use 'space > > after'? > > Because then you need a special version of every paragraph style, > for paragraphs which occur before a B head (or whatever). > > I have wrestled with this problem of 'heading with space before at the > top of a column' many times. One workaround is to add a local effect > removing space (problem is when your text reflows for some reason and > you have to remove the local effect again). > > There is also a further problem. If you have designed a B head (or > whatever) such that the space before + space after is a multiple of the > leading - so that lines of text remain aligned across columns or pages, > then removing space before a heading at the top of the page throws out > the alignment. You are then faced with the prospect of either adding > space ad hoc after the heading, leaving it space in before, or (and > I've even done this on occasion) placing the heading in a small > frame of its own so that it projects above the top line of the > text. None of these seem right. Does anyone know what the > 'correct' typographical treatment in this situation is? > I'm glad you have raised these issues, David and Paul, because they are both real pains. I have struggled with these but have been too busy to write here and try to explain the problem. There is a related problem (I don't think it is the same as you are describing) when using the baseline grid and subheadings. If with a subheading I have a space before set to 5pt(for example) but the leading kept the same as the body text eg 25pt, the position of the subheading is unpredictable if the body text is using the baseline grid setting. I have tried the subheading with both lock to grid on and off and its position in relation to the previous paragraph or the following paragraph is not consistent with other subheadings. In short when using the baseline grid for body text I can't properly control subheadings. This seems so poor that I'm sure it must be me that is not using the software correctly. So can someone put me right? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 29 02:52:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94293 for opro ; Thu, 29 Apr 99 02:52:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925341511:10:22169:17; Wed, 28 Apr 99 23:18:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126142; 28 Apr 99 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA25721 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:06:11 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA25710 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:05:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 25888 invoked from network); 28 Apr 1999 23:14:58 -0000 Received: from 66-160.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.160) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 23:14:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:57:26 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: How.to.chrash.2.51!@omega.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS Subject: How to crach OP 2.51 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi. I've just chrashed Ovation 2.51 and I thought I'd let you all know how I did it. First, I clicked on the 'Insert Pages' icon (a green page with a plus on it being inserted between other white pages). The dialogue box offered me the oppertunity to insert 1 page before page 0 -- I didn't have a page 0 but I thought I shouldn't be rude and accepted what I was given and clicked on OK. OK stayed clicked on, escape didnt work, but alt-break exited Ovation for me. So, don't do that. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 29 02:52:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94294 for opro ; Thu, 29 Apr 99 02:52:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925341678:10:23985:18; Wed, 28 Apr 99 23:21:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023656; 28 Apr 99 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA25807 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:13:01 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25802 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:12:50 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10cdSZ-000Aeu-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:09:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:31:20 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Space before To: Ovation In-Reply-To: <8217f8f948%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Apr, David Graddol wrote: > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > In message <48f9d734c7delink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers > > writes > > > > > >Here's another challenge for script programmers: > > > > > >We all know that a style can be defined with a specified 'Space before'. > > >Now I would like to have an extra option to specify some Space before, > > >UNLESS text containing that style appears at the top position within a > > >frame. > > >In other words: the specified Space before should only affect text, not > > >frame borders. > > > > > >Is it possible to write a simple script to add this option? (I cannot write > > >scripts, so someone else should do it...). > > > > > >Or is there a cunning combination of existing styles that does the job? > > >Very curious about the replies... > > > > > Um. I'm probably missing something here, but why don't you use 'space > > after'? > > Because then you need a special version of every paragraph style, > for paragraphs which occur before a B head (or whatever). > > I have wrestled with this problem of 'heading with space before at the > top of a column' many times. One workaround is to add a local effect > removing space (problem is when your text reflows for some reason and > you have to remove the local effect again). > > There is also a further problem. If you have designed a B head (or > whatever) such that the space before + space after is a multiple of the > leading - so that lines of text remain aligned across columns or pages, > then removing space before a heading at the top of the page throws out > the alignment. You are then faced with the prospect of either adding > space ad hoc after the heading, leaving it space in before, or (and > I've even done this on occasion) placing the heading in a small > frame of its own so that it projects above the top line of the > text. None of these seem right. Does anyone know what the > 'correct' typographical treatment in this situation is? > I'm glad you have raised these issues, David and Paul, because they are both real pains. I have struggled with these but have been too busy to write here and try to explain the problem. There is a related problem (I don't think it is the same as you are describing) when using the baseline grid and subheadings. If with a subheading I have a space before set to 5pt(for example) but the leading kept the same as the body text eg 25pt, the position of the subheading is unpredictable if the body text is using the baseline grid setting. I have tried the subheading with both lock to grid on and off and its position in relation to the previous paragraph or the following paragraph is not consistent with other subheadings. In short when using the baseline grid for body text I can't properly control subheadings. This seems so poor that I'm sure it must be me that is not using the software correctly. So can someone put me right? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 29 13:41:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94305 for opro ; Thu, 29 Apr 99 13:41:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925376009:20:23054:16; Thu, 29 Apr 99 08:53:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107505; 29 Apr 99 8:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA26581 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:42:22 +0100 Received: from mail-relay.power.net.uk (mail-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26576 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:42:09 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust73.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.73]) by mail-relay.power.net.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA16172 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:39:27 +0100 (GMT/BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:30:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:31:27 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Space before Message-ID: <782143fa48%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Muscat wrote: > On Wed 28 Apr, David Graddol wrote: > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > > In message <48f9d734c7delink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers > > > writes > > > > > > > >Here's another challenge for script programmers: > > > > > > > >We all know that a style can be defined with a specified 'Space before'. > > > >Now I would like to have an extra option to specify some Space before, > > > >UNLESS text containing that style appears at the top position within a > > > >frame. > > > >In other words: the specified Space before should only affect text, not > > > >frame borders. > > > > > > > >Is it possible to write a simple script to add this option? (I cannot write > > > >scripts, so someone else should do it...). > > > > > > > >Or is there a cunning combination of existing styles that does the job? > > > >Very curious about the replies... > > > > > > > Um. I'm probably missing something here, but why don't you use 'space > > > after'? > > > > Because then you need a special version of every paragraph style, > > for paragraphs which occur before a B head (or whatever). > > > > I have wrestled with this problem of 'heading with space before at the > > top of a column' many times. One workaround is to add a local effect > > removing space (problem is when your text reflows for some reason and > > you have to remove the local effect again). > > > > There is also a further problem. If you have designed a B head (or > > whatever) such that the space before + space after is a multiple of the > > leading - so that lines of text remain aligned across columns or pages, > > then removing space before a heading at the top of the page throws out > > the alignment. You are then faced with the prospect of either adding > > space ad hoc after the heading, leaving it space in before, or (and > > I've even done this on occasion) placing the heading in a small > > frame of its own so that it projects above the top line of the > > text. None of these seem right. Does anyone know what the > > 'correct' typographical treatment in this situation is? > > > > I'm glad you have raised these issues, David and Paul, because they are > both real pains. I have struggled with these but have been too busy to > write here and try to explain the problem. There is a related problem (I > don't think it is the same as you are describing) when using the > baseline grid and subheadings. If with a subheading I have a space > before set to 5pt(for example) but the leading kept the same as the body > text eg 25pt, the position of the subheading is unpredictable if the body > text is using the baseline grid setting. I have tried the subheading with > both lock to grid on and off and its position in relation to the previous > paragraph or the following paragraph is not consistent with other > subheadings. In short when using the baseline grid for body text I can't > properly control subheadings. This seems so poor that I'm sure it must > be me that is not using the software correctly. So can someone put me > right? > I haven't noticed this particular problem (probably because I haven't used the same kinds of settings), but as far as I can see there is no real way out from this dilemma if you want space before and after a heading which is not a full multiple of the body text leading. There is a further twist: if a subheading which has 'space before' set as part of its style, flows into a new frame or column so it appears at the top of the frame, the space before automagically seems to disappear. If, however, you insert a page/column break to achieve the same effect, then the space before appears. Although it would be nice if there was more flexibility in OvPro in handling space around headings, I think the basic problem is one of maths! Hence my asking whether there was a standard way of handling such problems which was regarded as good typographic practice. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 29 14:04:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94325 for opro ; Thu, 29 Apr 99 14:04:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925390860:10:20205:26; Thu, 29 Apr 99 13:01:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124774; 29 Apr 99 13:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA26866 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:40:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26861 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:40:26 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cq7k-000JYX-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:41:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 03:04:15 GMT Message-Id: <94297@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to crach OP 2.51 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >First, I clicked on the 'Insert Pages' icon (a green page with a plus on it >being inserted between other white pages). Hmm I don't seem to have that button. There is an insert page macro but not with that icon. >The dialogue box offered me the >oppertunity to insert 1 page before page 0 -- I didn't have a page 0 but I >thought I shouldn't be rude and accepted what I was given and clicked on OK. I guess inserting a page in this way is not the bug - it is not repeatable in just any document. A more likely source of trouble is the document you did the operation on, or maybe some aspect of how the insert page code was called up David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 29 21:40:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94338 for opro ; Thu, 29 Apr 99 21:40:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925416042:20:06971:16; Thu, 29 Apr 99 20:00:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006918; 29 Apr 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA27405 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:48:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA27400 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:48:32 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.41) [194.69.104.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10cwoC-0002Mr-00; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:49:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:32:07 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: Unwanted kerning of f Y etc Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Apr 1999 (18:33:34 +0100), malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk wrote: > > In preparing a hymn book there are numerous occurrences of f space Y > such as "Of Your will.." and "all You are.." etc when using upper case > to refer to God or Jesus. When kerned, these are unacceptably close. > Occurrences of "from Your Holy Word" are OK as the preceding letter has > no trailing > ascenders. > > My work-around is to replace the space with a hyphen set to transparent > as in "Of-Your will.." but is there a more elegant way? And could my > method give potential problems from the print shop? > How about putting two hard spaces (alt-space) between the f and the Y ? Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//__________ acornsarpcacornsarpcacornrpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 30 20:57:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA94394 for opro ; Fri, 30 Apr 99 20:57:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 925501324:20:21712:32; Fri, 30 Apr 99 19:42:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021689; 30 Apr 99 19:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA28818 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:20:20 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA28813 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:20:04 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10dIqL-0001XC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:21:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:59:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Unwanted kerning of f Y etc To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 29 Apr, Tim King wrote: > ;-) Except that just puts an unholy gap between the Y and o and leaves fY > unchanged. Adjust the kerning pairs with !FontKern. The right answer I think. Apply the kerning to two pairs, f-space and space-Y otherwise there will appear another problen somewhere else. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message