From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:42:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90247 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:42:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920155288:20:21619:19; Sat, 27 Feb 99 22:41:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021533; 27 Feb 99 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA21512 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:21:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21507 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:21:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Gs8C-0001sf-00; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:22:46 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:18:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Tiling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk In-Reply-To: <90211@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 307 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, 44 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Sat 27 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > Everything to do with tiling, is in the file > > !OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile > > > I spied this bit; > > int prtilemargin=8504; // 3mm > > Wish I could remember what it does... > > In brief either this is it, or you'd have to hack that script > to give you the feature. Sounds promising. However, it's not in the version that I have; there's nothing to do with margins at all so far as I can see. The version of 'tile' that I have says it's version 1.00 (dated 2nd May 1997). -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:42:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90250 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:42:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920195916:20:24603:15; Sun, 28 Feb 99 09:58:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126962; 28 Feb 99 9:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA22042 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:27:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22037 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:27:02 GMT Received: from [158.152.60.112] (helo=narrator.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10H2WL-0004L8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:28:21 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:28:10 GMT Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:27:40 +0000 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: FRONT AND BACK Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <90211@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Is there a way of moving a frame to the front and back without having to use the menu, e.g. with a key press or macro? -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC OS 3.6 | neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| LONDON SW16 | 48Mb -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From pete@beard.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 1 18:42:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90251 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:42:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920154169:10:08872:0; Sat, 27 Feb 99 22:22:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008855; 27 Feb 99 22:22 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Gs8C-0001sf-00; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:22:46 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:18:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Tiling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk In-Reply-To: <90211@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 307 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, 44 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] In on Sat 27 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > Everything to do with tiling, is in the file > > !OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile > > > I spied this bit; > > int prtilemargin=8504; // 3mm > > Wish I could remember what it does... > > In brief either this is it, or you'd have to hack that script > to give you the feature. Sounds promising. However, it's not in the version that I have; there's nothing to do with margins at all so far as I can see. The version of 'tile' that I have says it's version 1.00 (dated 2nd May 1997). -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:43:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90262 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:43:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920155672:10:26588:16; Sat, 27 Feb 99 22:47:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117046; 27 Feb 99 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA21538 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:25:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21533 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:25:36 GMT Received: from (194.69.99.41) [194.69.99.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10GsC9-0005gA-00; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:26:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:48:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <48dafb9dadcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I read this thread in Sep/Oct 98, but didn't get anything to help me. I use Gill Sans light as my default font (either from EFF or Monotype from Adrian Look - can't remember which). This has 16 faces. When I select text and use the I (italic) button at the foot of the OP window - I get Gill Sans italic (not Gill Sans Light italic) I then click on the I button again - I am left with Gill Sans (not Gill Sans Light). I know I can get this right by going to the 'font' window beside the I button and selecting Gill Sans Light italic. But this is a pain! Publisher does it - as I see it - correctly. Or is there some advantage in OP method that I haven't realised? Any way of sorting it? Using FontDir Pro - is this relevant? -- ___________________________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / Acorn SA RiscPC with Dynalink 56k \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / __________________________/ colin.wood@argnet.co.uk antispam - replace argnet with argonet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:43:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90271 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:43:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920250581:20:18663:15; Mon, 01 Mar 99 01:09:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104802; 1 Mar 99 1:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA23806 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:36:21 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23798 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:35:56 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10HGgd-0006Ki-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:35:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:34:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Tiling output To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 305 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, 17 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 28 Feb, Bernard G. Hill wrote: > I have on several occasions had to produce an eight page, A3 > publication. To print it out I did not use tiling at all but chose to > set the printing X and Y offsets in the printing dialogue box so that > the top or bottom of the page was printed landscape just where I wanted > it. Now why didn't I think of that? It does what I want. Although it's more fiddly than using Nick's fixed version of the 'tile' file I can see it gives me more control and could be damned useful in some circumstances. Thanks. -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. Albert Einstein -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:43:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90273 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:43:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920253618:20:27301:15; Mon, 01 Mar 99 02:00:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027121; 1 Mar 99 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA24011 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:43:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA24004 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:43:07 GMT Received: from (e2s7p8) [193.149.72.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10HHjf-0005Jj-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:43:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001801be6385$665e2a40$b54895c1@e2s7p8> From: "Gerald F Wilson" To: Subject: Re: Tiling Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:44:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Peter Gaunt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 01 March 1999 01:01 Subject: Re: Tiling >In on Sun 28 Feb, Nick Kaijaks wrote: >> >In on Sat 27 Feb, David Pilling >> wrote: > >> I found that the Tile script was broken anyway, failing to account for >> print marks when working out the scaling. There's a bugfix version on my >> website (on my IT page). To set the overlap you have to handedit the >> 'Tile' file which has a line similar to that David quotes above (on my >> system it's set to 4252 millipoints = 1.5mm). My version is a minor >> amendment of v1.01 which is the current distribution version AFAIK. I've >> taken the liberty of calling it 1.02 ;-) > >Thanks Nick. That does exactly what I wanted (and a bit more, such as fixing >the printer marks bug which I hadn't realised existed). > >-- >Pete >==== +44 (0)411 501 757 >It works better if you plug it in. > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90277 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920284377:20:23121:18; Mon, 01 Mar 99 10:32:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023019; 1 Mar 99 10:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA24333 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:29:41 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24324 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:29:24 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.197] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10HOyY-0003z6-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:26:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:44:43 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <366e2db48%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48dafb9dadcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Colin Wood wrote: > When I select text and use the I (italic) button at the foot of the OP > window - I get Gill Sans italic (not Gill Sans Light italic) > I then click on the I button again - I am left with Gill Sans (not Gill > Sans Light). > > I know I can get this right by going to the 'font' window beside the I > button and selecting Gill Sans Light italic. But this is a pain! > > Any way of sorting it? > > Using FontDir Pro - is this relevant? > If there is a fix for this painful behaviour, then it has escaped me as well! My current tactic is to set up a style, say, 'Body Italic' which specifies Selection - Gill Sans Italic, but leaves everything else, including point size, as 'don't care'. I then attach a key stroke, such as Ctl-I, to the style. Does anyone have a better way? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90284 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920302332:20:16424:26; Mon, 01 Mar 99 15:32:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016273; 1 Mar 99 15:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA24958 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:14:07 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24953 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:13:51 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10HTSB-0005xG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:13:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:06:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: RE: Setting the italic font as italic To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA593@W12WNXU01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 01 Mar, Mike Hunter wrote: > I think I may have started the original thread. > > After some discussion I now understand (used to understand) the reason for > the problem. > > If I remember correctly without renaming the font files there seemed to be > no easy solution. I decided against that! > > I would still be interested in an easier solution. There isn't an easy solution for this problem. You could rename your fonts as has been suggested some time ago. The easiest solution is changing Ovation (Pro) on this point. I've seen a similar FS as Ovation Pro has on other platforms and it is not good. The categories within fontfamilies are so divers that it isn't sensible to use them in the fontmenu. With the longer file names of RO 3.8/4.0? it will be far easier to keep the names of fonts the same as on other platforms and to the standard industry name. Less problems with mapping etc. So wait for that before you start renaming them. That doesn't change the problem with O.P. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90289 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920213269:10:01723:18; Sun, 28 Feb 99 14:47:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105047; 28 Feb 99 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA22374 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:29:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA22369 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:29:14 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.9) [193.149.72.9] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10H7Eq-0007aN-00; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:30:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:30:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48db7de292owlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: FRONT AND BACK User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Neill McNeill wrote: > Is there a way of moving a frame to the front and back without > having to use the menu, e.g. with a key press or macro? Yes, if you look in the Macro window, you can add icons to the toolbar to either move the frame fully forward/backwards or to step it through the pile. -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90295 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920218486:10:09835:16; Sun, 28 Feb 99 16:14:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009698; 28 Feb 99 16:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA22631 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:56:40 GMT Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22626 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:56:28 GMT Received: from modem-121.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.249] helo=wallace) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10H8bI-0006ar-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:57:52 +0000 Message-ID: <004701be6333$18a808e0$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Composite file not outputting in colour Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:57:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan wrote: >Sorry, I don't know what YMMV means. Sorry; Your Mileage May Vary. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Proprietor, Pinxit Design ~ for Internet and print media PhD research student, Physics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90296 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920218497:10:09930:15; Sun, 28 Feb 99 16:14:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101156; 28 Feb 99 16:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA22605 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:52:55 GMT Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22600 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:52:37 GMT Received: from modem-121.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.249] helo=wallace) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10H8XY-0005t1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:54:01 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01be6332$8e567d20$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Tiling Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:53:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In on Sat 27 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >> Everything to do with tiling, is in the file >> >> !OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile >> >> >> I spied this bit; >> >> int prtilemargin=8504; // 3mm >> >> Wish I could remember what it does... >> >> In brief either this is it, or you'd have to hack that script >> to give you the feature. > >Sounds promising. However, it's not in the version that I have; there's >nothing to do with margins at all so far as I can see. The version of 'tile' >that I have says it's version 1.00 (dated 2nd May 1997). I found that the Tile script was broken anyway, failing to account for print marks when working out the scaling. There's a bugfix version on my website (on my IT page). To set the overlap you have to handedit the 'Tile' file which has a line similar to that David quotes above (on my system it's set to 4252 millipoints = 1.5mm). My version is a minor amendment of v1.01 which is the current distribution version AFAIK. I've taken the liberty of calling it 1.02 ;-) Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Proprietor, Pinxit Design ~ for Internet and print media PhD research student, Physics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90298 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920222306:10:03705:15; Sun, 28 Feb 99 17:18:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003632; 28 Feb 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA22850 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:32:55 GMT Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22841 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:32:29 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.69.201]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.00.03.01 201-229-104-101) with SMTP id <19990228163151.EGW252.mta3-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:31:51 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:22:46 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Tiling output To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Peter Gaunt wanted overlaps in tiled output. I have on several occasions had to produce an eight page, A3 publication. To print it out I did not use tiling at all but chose to set the printing X and Y offsets in the printing dialogue box so that the top or bottom of the page was printed landscape just where I wanted it. The 'show print borders' allows you to see exactly the limits of each printing. That way I could make sure that cuts for paste up came in convenient places. Sometimes it was necessary to make a third print across the middle of the page to cope with an illustration. This is a bit fiddly, but is does allow you to decide exactly where each tile is placed on the page, and you can even print a tile in upright mode as opposed to landscape if it makes the paste up easier. When I had found the correct X and Y offsets these values were saved as a plain text file for future reference. When your mind begins to fail... For most of the pages it is only necessary to set the top and bottom halves separately and then all the tops and then the bottoms could be printed off at one go. In my case I had to print the right and left pages separately because of the different side margins. I hope that you find this routine useful. Best wishes Berni. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Newport e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net Monmouthshire NP6 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:45:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90304 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:45:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920252095:10:10069:15; Mon, 01 Mar 99 01:34:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010045; 1 Mar 99 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA23804 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:36:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23794 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:35:53 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10HGgb-0006Ki-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:35:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:31:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Tiling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <003d01be6332$8e567d20$ab356d01@wallace> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 305 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes, 19 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 28 Feb, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > >In on Sat 27 Feb, David Pilling > wrote: > I found that the Tile script was broken anyway, failing to account for > print marks when working out the scaling. There's a bugfix version on my > website (on my IT page). To set the overlap you have to handedit the > 'Tile' file which has a line similar to that David quotes above (on my > system it's set to 4252 millipoints = 1.5mm). My version is a minor > amendment of v1.01 which is the current distribution version AFAIK. I've > taken the liberty of calling it 1.02 ;-) Thanks Nick. That does exactly what I wanted (and a bit more, such as fixing the printer marks bug which I hadn't realised existed). -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 It works better if you plug it in. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:45:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90306 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:45:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920288737:10:13966:18; Mon, 01 Mar 99 11:45:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129737; 1 Mar 99 11:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA24397 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:06:06 GMT Received: from gatee.kw.bbc.co.uk (gatee.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24392 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:05:50 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gatee.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP i Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 10:05:27 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:05:16 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA593@W12WNXU01> From: Mike Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Setting the italic font as italic Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:05:10 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: In message Colin Wood wrote: > When I select text and use the I (italic) button at the foot of the OP > window - I get Gill Sans italic (not Gill Sans Light italic) > I then click on the I button again - I am left with Gill Sans (not Gill > Sans Light). > > I know I can get this right by going to the 'font' window beside the I > button and selecting Gill Sans Light italic. But this is a pain! > > Any way of sorting it? > > Using FontDir Pro - is this relevant? > If there is a fix for this painful behaviour, then it has escaped me as well! My current tactic is to set up a style, say, 'Body Italic' which specifies Selection - Gill Sans Italic, but leaves everything else, including point size, as 'don't care'. I then attach a key stroke, such as Ctl-I, to the style. Does anyone have a better way? I think I may have started the original thread. After some discussion I now understand (used to understand) the reason for the problem. If I remember correctly without renaming the font files there seemed to be no easy solution. I decided against that! I would still be interested in an easier solution. Michael -- Michael Hunter, Lecturer, Broadcast Engineering Acorn and OvationPro Fan BBC Training and Development. michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:45:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90307 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:45:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920289175:10:20856:20; Mon, 01 Mar 99 11:52:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113403; 1 Mar 99 11:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA24498 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:01:59 GMT Received: from metis.salford.ac.uk (metis.salford.ac.uk [146.87.232.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA24493 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:01:40 GMT Received: (qmail 538 invoked by alias); 1 Mar 1999 11:01:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990301110146.537.qmail@metis.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 531 invoked from network); 1 Mar 1999 11:01:45 -0000 Received: from brindley-056.salford.ac.uk (HELO Unknown) (146.87.16.56) by metis.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 1 Mar 1999 11:01:45 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Roger Darlington" Organization: University of Salford To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:03:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: Subject: A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:56:56 +0000 Dear Readers, Please can someone send me a skeleton blank layout for an A5 booklet with several pages using A4 paper in lanscape mode with folds down the middle. I have spent a great deal of time trying to do this, wasting a couple of trees on the way, and still have nothing to show for it. My best effort managed to produce one resulted in all the text huddled next to the centre-fold. I could get the text to appear on screen to within 5mm of the printer border, but when it printed out, it faded away whenever the text approached to within 40 mm of the printer border. I've no idea what was clipping the text, certainly not the printer! So if anyone can send me a skeleton document, I would be ecstatically pleased. Please save the trees from further destruction by an incomptetant Opro user. Cheers Roger R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk A 276MHz StrongARM RiscPC in 1200 by 1600 graphics at home for real work An 30MHz 80486 PC plod in 640 x 512 graphics at work for .... a long wait. Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 Remember - a proton is for life, not just for Christmas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:45:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90312 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:45:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920301460:10:25844:27; Mon, 01 Mar 99 15:17:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024864; 1 Mar 99 15:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA24919 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:53:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA24914 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:53:06 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.178) [193.149.78.178] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10HT8C-0006Gf-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:53:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:09:19 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 1 Mar 99 (11:03:32 +0000), r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk wrote: >Please can someone send me a skeleton blank layout for an A5 booklet >with several pages using A4 paper in lanscape mode with folds down the >middle. Sent... -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:45:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90314 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:45:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920307018:10:14002:71; Mon, 01 Mar 99 16:50:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012230; 1 Mar 99 16:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA25075 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:42:13 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA25070 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:41:54 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 10HUpV-0001bu-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:42:01 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10HUpT-0001dB-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:41:59 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:41:59 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FB42@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ov Pro & Maths Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:41:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, I am writting a heavily mathematical report that uses a lot of the Math Greek font that comes with !Formulix. To save my sanity I would like to now if there is an applet out there that could filter out names of greek symbols (or other things) as I write them (in upper case) and replace them with the correct symbol and style? eg. if I typed ALPHA in the middle of a sentance I would want the applet to remove the occurance of ALPHA as soon as it had made the match (without waiting for a space to be entered) and replace it with the relevant single char. in Math Greek, and turn off Math effect afterwards so I can cary on typing in my current style. I suppose the best solution would be to filter the same structures as used by LaTeX (eg. \GAMMA, \FRAC(1,2) etc.) If that app is not available / some time coming has anyone written macros for most of the greek alphabet? (eg. crtl+alt+a for alpha or such like?) Thanks, Peter R.H. > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > Mr. Peter Reeves-Hall Msci (PhD Student) > > Lab: +44 (0)171 59 47781 Office: +44 (0)171 59 47639 > Fax: +44 (0)171 59 47782 Email: PC.Reeveshall@ic.ac.uk > > Femtosecond Optics Group www.lsr.ph.ic.ac.uk/femto > Department of Physics, Imperial College of Science, Technology and > Medicine. > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > > > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 21:17:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90358 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 21:17:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920321053:10:11707:23; Mon, 01 Mar 99 20:44:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011437; 1 Mar 99 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA25450 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:14:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA25445 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:14:19 GMT Received: from (193.149.82.110) [193.149.82.110] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10HZ5A-0006Uq-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:14:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 99 18:57:59 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 1 Mar 99 (15:41:52), pc.reeveshall@ic.ac.uk wrote: > I am writting a heavily mathematical report that uses a lot of > the Math Greek font that comes with !Formulix. To save my sanity I > would like to now if there is an applet out there that could filter out > names of greek symbols (or other things) as I write them (in upper > case) and replace them with the correct symbol and style? > > eg. if I typed ALPHA in the middle of a sentance I would want the > applet to remove the occurance of ALPHA as soon as it had made the > match (without waiting for a space to be entered) and replace it with > the relevant single char. in Math Greek, and turn off Math effect > afterwards so I can cary on typing in my current style. If this is how you prefer to work then I hope someone comes up with an answer. But meanwhile, what is wrong with setting the Single Shift Font to the font you require (see 3.2 in the manual)? I use the Shift Font set to SymbolB, shortcut is F10, when I am writing notes etc for sixthform students. So long as you can remember the equivalents (a = alpha, q = theta, etc) then, for example, sin theta is simply sin F10q. ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 22:07:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90367 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 22:07:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920324278:10:02980:31; Mon, 01 Mar 99 21:37:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002945; 1 Mar 99 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA25592 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:15:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25586 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:15:33 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Ha2S-0006HX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:15:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:59:45 GMT Message-Id: <90315@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tiling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, it's not in the version that I have; there's nothing to do with >margins at all so far as I can see. The version of 'tile' that I have says >it's version 1.00 (dated 2nd May 1997). Which lets me remind you that the latest versions of all applets are on the Beebug web site www.beebug.com. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 22:58:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90379 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 22:58:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920327428:10:21419:15; Mon, 01 Mar 99 22:30:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021383; 1 Mar 99 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA25704 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:05:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA25699 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:05:40 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.166) [194.69.101.166] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Haow-0001Tf-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:05:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 99 (22:05:58 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 1 Mar 99 (11:03:32 +0000), r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk wrote: >Please can someone send me a skeleton blank layout for an A5 booklet >with several pages using A4 paper in lanscape mode with folds down the >middle. > Make an A5 document, defining paper sizes as 210mm high by 148.5mm wide. In file->print, set it up to print as pamphlet (this may need an applet, I can't remember), then tick print setup. Now tick "sideways" and for good measure, "centre." Leave aspect and scale at 100. Allegedly, Bob's your uncle. -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 13:49:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90399 for opro ; Tue, 02 Mar 99 13:49:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920361340:10:04129:17; Tue, 02 Mar 99 07:55:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004102; 2 Mar 99 7:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA26201 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:36:12 GMT Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA26196 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:35:58 GMT Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-usr00-38.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.226.38]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id HAA25838 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:36:13 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:04:42 +0000 (GMT) From: John Woodthorpe Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FB42@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 01 Mar, REEVES-HALL, PC wrote: > Hi all, > > I am writting a heavily mathematical report that uses a lot of > the Math Greek font that comes with !Formulix. To save my sanity I would > like to now if there is an applet out there that could filter out names of > greek symbols (or other things) as I write them (in upper case) and replace > them with the correct symbol and style? > I and my wife struggled (jointly and severally) with this for ages. Eventually we gave up and got TechWriter Pro and haven't regretted it. I know it's not the answer you want, but it really will make your life *so* much easier, and Icon Technology will give you a 50% (ish) student *discount. Some of our struggles to use OvPro for lots of equations etc. are documented on my Web site if you're interested. I think OvPro and TWP complement each other wonderfully - it's just a shame you can't exchange data easily between them... Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 13:49:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90400 for opro ; Tue, 02 Mar 99 13:49:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920368501:10:21949:16; Tue, 02 Mar 99 09:55:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021947; 2 Mar 99 9:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA26346 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:24:47 GMT Received: from amalthea.salford.ac.uk (amalthea.salford.ac.uk [146.87.255.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA26341 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:24:30 GMT Received: (qmail 17880 invoked by alias); 2 Mar 1999 09:24:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990302092447.17879.qmail@amalthea.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 16708 invoked from network); 2 Mar 1999 09:24:11 -0000 Received: from brindley-056.salford.ac.uk (HELO Unknown) (146.87.16.56) by amalthea.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 2 Mar 1999 09:24:11 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Roger Darlington" Organization: University of Salford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:25:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > > Make an A5 document, defining paper sizes as 210mm high by 148.5mm wide. In > file->print, set it up to print as pamphlet (this may need an applet, I can't > remember), then tick print setup. Now tick "sideways" and for good measure, > "centre." Leave aspect and scale at 100. Allegedly, Bob's your uncle. > Dear Andy, Many thanks for this. So that's where I was going wrong: I started off with A4, sideways, two columns, and proceeded from there into a right pickle. > Creswell, Derbyshire > Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags > I know, I've seen them! I thought I knew Derbyshire reasonable well, having walked over it for the last 40 years, but I can't find Creswell on the map. I don't think I have seen Creswell Crags, not knowingly anyway. Cheers Roger .. R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk A 276MHz StrongARM RiscPC in 1200 by 1600 graphics at home for real work An 30MHz 80486 PC plod in 640 x 512 graphics at work for .... a long wait. Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 Remember - a proton is for life, not just for Christmas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 17:34:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90416 for opro ; Tue, 02 Mar 99 17:34:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920393741:20:01822:15; Tue, 02 Mar 99 16:55:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113190; 2 Mar 99 16:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA26773 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:05 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26767 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:54:49 GMT Received: from [193.237.156.226] (helo=tarazen) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10HrVj-0000Qq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:45:05 +0000 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Clipboard, drag n drop, save Message-ID: X-Organization: Nature X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro hiya Can anyone help me to get to the bottom of this strange and erratic behaviour - no not me, the programs :-) When using the following software OvationPro 2.51, Messenger 1.40f, StrongED 4.55 to 4.60beta4 and Clipboard 0.08. >From an open Messenger display window any Drag n Drop or DB Save actions to an open SE window seem to work, but no text appears in the SE window. This happens with all SE versions. But the same actions work fine with an open OP window ?. All these actions work fine from SE to OP, but fail as above when using them from OP to SE. At first I suspected SE, but it works with other apps, maybe it's when a file is marked as unsafe in Wimp Messages, anyway read on. When using C in Messenger to copy to clipboard : This usually comes through ok to SE, but occasionally I get the wrong text transferred, correct length of selection but from the wrong offset in the Messenger file. When using the Clipboard app to monitor the clipboard - after using C in Messenger, Clipboard does not respond, reports nothing on clipboard. The text never gets through from Messenger to OP via the clipboard. The clipboard from SE to OP seems to work ok, but using V in some OP frames, some docs ?, the text is not put in the frame selected but in the main frame of the doc ? The clipboard from OP to SE works ok. According to the Clipboard app, SE works ok and the text is always on the clipboard and saves cleanly. But any OP use of the clipboard and it reports the following error : Bad yourref in DataSave message. If you then try to save the clipboard, Clipboard just reports the following message : Asking owner to save, then nothing happens. All these actions between two SE windows or two OP windows work. Can anyone confirm that this is happening with their installations of this software and does the same happen with Zap ? I don't have any other clipboard apps to test it with. Sent to the Messenger maillist and Guttorm many thanks -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 17:34:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90417 for opro ; Tue, 02 Mar 99 17:34:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920395121:20:24294:17; Tue, 02 Mar 99 17:18:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024157; 2 Mar 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA26875 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:38:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA26869 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:38:32 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.24) [193.149.83.24] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10HsC0-00036h-00; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:38:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 07:50:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! Message-ID: <48dc60e0b7bric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11d (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Andy's Progs wrote: > On Mon 1 Mar 99 (11:03:32 +0000), r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk > wrote: > >Please can someone send me a skeleton blank layout for an A5 > >booklet with several pages using A4 paper in lanscape mode with > >folds down the middle. > > > Make an A5 document, defining paper sizes as 210mm high by 148.5mm > wide. In file->print, set it up to print as pamphlet (this may need > an applet, I can't remember), then tick print setup. Now tick > "sideways" and for good measure, "centre." Leave aspect and scale at > 100. Allegedly, Bob's your uncle. I havn't done this in OPro but that sounds much the same as ImpPub. If you are hoping to print both sides of the paper make sure the total number of pages is divisible by 4. Or am I talking through my hat? Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 21:02:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90442 for opro ; Tue, 02 Mar 99 21:02:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920401013:10:22393:16; Tue, 02 Mar 99 18:56:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101422; 2 Mar 99 18:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27185 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:30:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27180 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:30:27 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10HtwJ-000NeQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:30:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:12:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: RE: Setting the italic font as italic To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 305 days, 2 hours, 48 minutes, 0 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Mon 01 Mar, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > With the longer file names of RO 3.8/4.0? it will be far easier to keep > the names of fonts the same as on other platforms and to the standard > industry name. Less problems with mapping etc. So wait for that before > you start renaming them. That doesn't change the problem with O.P. It's not exactly difficult to do this at the moment. The optional Messages file which you can stick in font directories (RO3 onwards) allows you to rename the fonts. Works fine with things like Draw but OP (and most other software) ignore it and come up with the Acorn names instead. Never have quite fathomed out why this is (presumably they're not using the correct font manager SWI calls to make up font menus). -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 Look out for yourself or they'll pee on your grave. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 00:54:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90451 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 00:54:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920409643:20:05817:19; Tue, 02 Mar 99 21:20:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005718; 2 Mar 99 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA27421 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:03:21 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27416 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:03:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10HwK5-0004Bx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:03:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 99 18:13:23 GMT Message-Id: <90437@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I havn't done this in OPro but that sounds much the same as ImpPub. >If you are hoping to print both sides of the paper make sure the total >number of pages is divisible by 4. Or am I talking through my hat? The way I'd do this, is write your booklet using the default A4 page size. Then select the 'pamphlet' print format. This print format will cope with rotating the pages by 90 degrees, set the 70% print scale needed to make A4 the same size as A5 (2 A5's fit on one A4 sideways), and finally it will pad out with blank pages if necessary, so you can print on both sides of the paper. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 00:54:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90459 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 00:54:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920413735:20:12873:15; Tue, 02 Mar 99 22:28:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012496; 2 Mar 99 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA27617 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:02:08 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA27612 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:01:54 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.34) [193.149.69.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10HxF3-0004cr-00; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:02:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:32:52 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 2 Mar 99 (00:04:42 +0000), lists@armlink.ndirect.co.uk wrote: > >I think OvPro and TWP complement each other wonderfully - it's just a >shame you can't exchange data easily between them... Whilst we're on the subject, what is the position on data interchange between OvPro and Easy-Writer Pro? I'm thinking of buying this for its PC compatibilities, and cannot contemplate giving up OvPro... -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 00:54:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90462 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 00:54:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920416626:10:02428:15; Tue, 02 Mar 99 23:17:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002317; 2 Mar 99 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA27770 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:07:37 GMT Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27764 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:07:19 GMT Received: from kiwi.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.200.20] ident=root) by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10HyGO-0007cb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:07:44 +0000 Received: from pcbi62 by kiwi.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id XAA27069; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:07:42 GMT Message-ID: <36DC6F53.1F6F@ukc.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:08:03 +0000 From: MattLB Organization: ukc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Master page mystery References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R While trying to create a template for displaying 6 pictures per page I've discovered some odd frame behaviour on master pages. On a normal page if you draw a square frame you can drag copies from it using Alt-Shift-select to create five identical copies of the original frame. If you try the same thing on a master page, you can drag frames from your original frame, but these copies are uneditable, unmovable and undeletable. Is there something special about copies of frames on master pages or is this, as it seems, incorrect behaviour? MattLB -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 02:59:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90483 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 02:59:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920423580:10:21149:15; Wed, 03 Mar 99 01:13:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021123; 3 Mar 99 1:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA27940 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:57:08 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27935 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:56:52 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10HzyO-0000fh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:57:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 99 21:09:17 GMT Message-Id: <90449@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Setting the italic font as italic X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The optional Messages file which you can stick in font directories (RO3 >onwards) allows you to rename the fonts. Works fine with things like Draw >but OP (and most other software) ignore it and come up with the Acorn names >instead. Never have quite fathomed out why this is (presumably they're not >using the correct font manager SWI calls to make up font menus). This has been discussed here quite a lot, after one bout, I fixed the problem. See the quote below, no doubt it is in the notes with the upgrades too. It would be fixed in OPro 2.47 or later. >02/08/97 >DP014 >Serious hacking of Font_List code to allow font names to be different to font >identifiers i.e. permit the use of a Messages1 file. >Font names should only appear on menus, everything else uses font id's. >Font_Angela.Bold:Angela1.Bold >Font_Angela.Medium:Angela1.Medium >Font_Angela.Bold.Italic:Angela1.Bold Italic >Font_Angela.Medium.Italic:Angela1.Medium Italic David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 13:48:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90487 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 13:48:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920446508:20:02022:17; Wed, 03 Mar 99 07:35:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103954; 3 Mar 99 7:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA28194 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:22:51 GMT Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28189 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:22:37 GMT Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-usr01-56.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.226.120]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id HAA23664 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:22:50 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:44:04 +0000 (GMT) From: John Woodthorpe Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 02 Mar, Dr A G Gray wrote: > On Tue 2 Mar 99 (00:04:42 +0000), lists@armlink.ndirect.co.uk wrote: > > > >I think OvPro and TWP complement each other wonderfully - it's just a > >shame you can't exchange data easily between them... > > Whilst we're on the subject, what is the position on data interchange between > OvPro and Easy-Writer Pro? I'm thinking of buying this for its PC > compatibilities, and cannot contemplate giving up OvPro... > You can't easily (but the TW/EW family is just absolutely brilliant). It would be really good if TWP would read OvPro files in the same way as it reads Impression ones, although as I often feel I'm "The Only Acorn User Never To Have Used Impression" (TM) I can't say how well it does that. For one thing, if TWP read Ovation files, it would potentially provide a way to turn OvPro material into MSWord, HTML, and TEX. There's a thread just started on the TechWriter mailing list about this... Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 13:48:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90493 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 13:48:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920457846:20:00996:22; Wed, 03 Mar 99 10:44:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101117; 3 Mar 99 10:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28421 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:09:45 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28416 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:09:33 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:09:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:07:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <48dcf148abC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <90449@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <90449@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11d (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Using the messages1 file would appear to be an option when using "conventional" font storage. How does one do the equivalent for the likes of Font Dir Pro? Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 14:35:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90506 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 14:35:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920471509:10:03848:38; Wed, 03 Mar 99 14:31:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110254; 3 Mar 99 14:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28684 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:38:03 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28676 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:36:55 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-09.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.69]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA12333 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:36:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:06:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet - at 70% To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90437@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 02 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > The way I'd do this, is write your booklet using the default A4 page > size. !!! NOT best trade practice, David. There's a sort of golden rule - always work at 100%. > > Then select the 'pamphlet' print format. This print format will cope with > rotating the pages by 90 degrees, set the 70% print scale needed What point size did you pick then? aiming to end up with? & that graphic in the 5.5x7.25cm frame, what did you scale it at planning on an output resolution of...? Let's see, 70%, scaling up =, um... Dang. Working at 100%, OP produces faultless A5 booklets on A4 paper. Didn't you know ;-) tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 15:18:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90508 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 15:17:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920471509:10:03848:38; Wed, 03 Mar 99 14:31:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110254; 3 Mar 99 14:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28684 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:38:03 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28676 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:36:55 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-09.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.69]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA12333 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:36:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:06:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet - at 70% To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90437@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > The way I'd do this, is write your booklet using the default A4 page > size. !!! NOT best trade practice, David. There's a sort of golden rule - always work at 100%. > > Then select the 'pamphlet' print format. This print format will cope with > rotating the pages by 90 degrees, set the 70% print scale needed What point size did you pick then? aiming to end up with? & that graphic in the 5.5x7.25cm frame, what did you scale it at planning on an output resolution of...? Let's see, 70%, scaling up =, um... Dang. Working at 100%, OP produces faultless A5 booklets on A4 paper. Didn't you know ;-) tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 17:34:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90510 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 17:34:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920471509:10:03848:38; Wed, 03 Mar 99 14:31:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110254; 3 Mar 99 14:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28684 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:38:03 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28676 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:36:55 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-09.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.69]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA12333 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:36:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:06:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet - at 70% To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90437@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > The way I'd do this, is write your booklet using the default A4 page > size. !!! NOT best trade practice, David. There's a sort of golden rule - always work at 100%. > > Then select the 'pamphlet' print format. This print format will cope with > rotating the pages by 90 degrees, set the 70% print scale needed What point size did you pick then? aiming to end up with? & that graphic in the 5.5x7.25cm frame, what did you scale it at planning on an output resolution of...? Let's see, 70%, scaling up =, um... Dang. Working at 100%, OP produces faultless A5 booklets on A4 paper. Didn't you know ;-) tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 17:34:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90511 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 17:34:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920472974:10:25678:22; Wed, 03 Mar 99 14:56:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125424; 3 Mar 99 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28723 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:51:19 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28718 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:51:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10IC3l-0004zn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:51:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 03:02:21 GMT Message-Id: <90484@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page mystery X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If you try the same thing on a master page, you can drag frames from >your original frame, but these copies are uneditable, unmovable and >undeletable. This sounds like it should be a bug. But it won't go wrong for me... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 18:24:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90518 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 18:23:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920483210:20:02404:16; Wed, 03 Mar 99 17:46:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111879; 3 Mar 99 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA29501 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:05:50 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA29496 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:05:34 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:06:02 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20912 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:04:45 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:04:41 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Master page mystery To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90484@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > >If you try the same thing on a master page, you can drag frames from > >your original frame, but these copies are uneditable, unmovable and > >undeletable. > > This sounds like it should be a bug. But it won't go wrong for me... This happens to me - except that I would at undetectable to the list of uns! It only seems to affect the default document. If I try to resize and then copy the master page frame on the document - you appear to drag a frame to a second position but it disappears when you release the mouse button. The alternative method of ^C then ^V also fails. However, if a *new* frame is introduced on the old master page it can be copied (and the old frame deleted). When creating new documents, frames can be put on the master page and copied by any of the methods. Don -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 19:00:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90519 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 19:00:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920484761:10:08908:17; Wed, 03 Mar 99 18:12:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115788; 3 Mar 99 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA29565 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:42:38 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29019 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:17:31 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:17:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:16:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths Message-ID: <48dd0d943bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <36DD010F.4E7D6369@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <36DD010F.4E7D6369@sees.bangor.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11d (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <36DD010F.4E7D6369@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > How do I subscribe to the TechWriter mailing > list?. Try via http://www.eGroups.com/list/icon-users Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 19:01:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90524 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 19:01:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920475853:10:05983:19; Wed, 03 Mar 99 15:44:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005499; 3 Mar 99 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA28867 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:35:37 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28384 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:29:12 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08461 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:29:41 GMT Message-ID: <36DD010F.4E7D6369@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:29:51 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How do I subscribe to the TechWriter mailing list?. -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=01426-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2711, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 21:03:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90542 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 21:03:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920488061:10:00239:15; Wed, 03 Mar 99 19:07:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000138; 3 Mar 99 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA29780 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:43:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA29775 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:42:52 GMT Received: from (194.69.104.221) [194.69.104.221] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10IGcA-00001l-00; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:43:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Willington) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 3 Mar 99 18:12:54 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Upgrade Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just received my v2.52 upgrade but without any instructions. Is it advisable to install it on top of my v2.51 or to start afresh? Thanks, Dave W. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ DJW@argonet.co.uk Dave Willington, Harrow, UK -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ DJW@argonet.co.uk Dave Willington, Harrow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 22:10:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90548 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 22:10:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920496400:20:07152:15; Wed, 03 Mar 99 21:26:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007076; 3 Mar 99 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA30012 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:06:11 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA30002 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:05:47 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10IIps-0001Gh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:05:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 19:09:55 GMT Message-Id: <90529@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet - at 70% X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >!!! NOT best trade practice, David. There's a sort of golden rule - always >work at 100% Thats probably true if you're a professional putting in a lot of time on one project. But for a beginner what I suggested is the easiest method. Presumeably if you wanted to print something at a different size, you'd redesign it - all this stuff about fonts changing design depending on point size. I can give you another argument for working at 100%, things like Turbo drivers can make a mess when printing scaled... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 22:10:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90549 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 22:10:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920496466:20:08169:15; Wed, 03 Mar 99 21:27:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124757; 3 Mar 99 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA29997 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:05:15 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29992 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:05:02 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10IIpl-0001Gh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:05:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 19:03:44 GMT Message-Id: <90527@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It would be really good if TWP would read OvPro files in the same way as it >reads Impression ones I'm right in thinking though that what they do is load Impression DDF files, just what OPro has done these last three years. "Loads Impression files" trips of the tongue all too easily and means something rather more ambitious to many people. Icon now posess a copy of OPro, so maybe they'll give you the support you want. EW/TW are very good. Although they're word processors and not DTP programs. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 4 01:20:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90554 for opro ; Thu, 04 Mar 99 01:20:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920502504:10:21937:16; Wed, 03 Mar 99 23:08:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109660; 3 Mar 99 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA30280 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:55:47 GMT Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA30275 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:55:29 GMT Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-usr01-29.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.226.93]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id WAA13022 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:56:05 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:01:06 +0000 (GMT) From: John Woodthorpe Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90527@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, On Wed 03 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > >It would be really good if TWP would read OvPro files in the same way as it > >reads Impression ones > > I'm right in thinking though that what they do is load Impression DDF > files, just what OPro has done these last three years. > > "Loads Impression files" trips of the tongue all too easily and means > something rather more ambitious to many people. Err, OK. As I say, I confess to having bought Ovation as soon as it came out, and when every other Acorn user seemed to be using Impression. > > Icon now posess a copy of OPro, so maybe they'll give you the support you > want. > > EW/TW are very good. Although they're word processors and not DTP > programs. In some parts of the world that would be regarded as a troll! :o) I can just hear Mike Glover starting to clarify that statement... Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 6 16:14:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90752 for opro ; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:14:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920736952:10:25424:15; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:15:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113556; 6 Mar 99 16:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00533 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:43:56 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00528 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:43:30 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10JJY5-0000p1-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:03:34 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 16:04:44 GMT Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:22:10 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: InDesign and Ovation Pro Message-ID: <659799de48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Having read the specs on InDesign(codename K2), Adobe's new layout app, it is pleasing to see that Ovation Pro already has a number of the features announced as 'firsts' for DTP. Some of the things we have complained about as being missing from OPro, such as Index and content generation, appear to be missing from InDesign. It is almost certain that users of InDesign will have to purchase plugins for these features, paying fairly big bucks into the bargain, whereas we have generous and capable programmers who do these things for love. Aren't we lucky. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 6 16:35:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90761 for opro ; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:35:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920737103:10:27340:23; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:18:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117523; 6 Mar 99 16:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00502 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:19:55 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00417 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:18:13 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA08130 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:23:01 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10IfaD-0005Zl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:23:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:58:29 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Getting !macros to stay To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all Here's a weirdo. (the problem- not me) I have recently changed to using three rows of buttons in my toolbox. I have saved the macros, and even saved the page as default. Reboot or switch off- two rows of buttons, with the contents of the third row tagged on the end of the third, flying off the screen. Any helpful comments appreciated! -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Only dead fish go with the flow." Attrib. Sarah Craig -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 6 16:35:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90762 for opro ; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:35:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920737563:10:03350:18; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:26:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128087; 6 Mar 99 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00509 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:20:40 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00466 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:18:59 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA06183 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:49:59 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA07513 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:49:43 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:10:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90527@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > > EW/TW are very good. Although they're word processors and not DTP > programs. > Quite right, and it's surprising (I find) how often the DTP capability makes life easier when the document gets beyond the straightforward. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 6 16:47:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90769 for opro ; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:47:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920738345:20:26014:15; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:39:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2112660; 6 Mar 99 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00498 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:19:35 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00395 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:17:44 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA08366 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:54:09 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J8G8Y6G8I00000N3@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:01:58 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:52:05 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*student.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths In-reply-to: <90527@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <90527@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > > >It would be really good if TWP would read OvPro files in the same way as it > >reads Impression ones > > I'm right in thinking though that what they do is load Impression DDF > files, just what OPro has done these last three years. > > "Loads Impression files" trips of the tongue all too easily and means > something rather more ambitious to many people. > > Icon now posess a copy of OPro, so maybe they'll give you the support you > want. > > EW/TW are very good. Although they're word processors and not DTP > programs. > That's exactly why there should be some sort of compatibility. The wp of EW/TW is better then the OvP wp-side. That's because EW/TW are designed for wp and OvP isn't. That's not a problem since OvP is really good in DTP, where it is designed for. To get a part of the wp-strength of EW/TW to OvP you need to be able to import EW/TW. To get the text of OvP to M$word, EW/TW "only" need to be able to get the text out of OvP docs. I'm glad some other people noticed it also here (and in the EW/TW-scene). I'm even more glad that there are people working on it, after "we" asked for it -> the Acorn-scene is still the best (and userfriendliest) there is -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | Ottens' Dutch Design - O'dd X X | http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 6 16:47:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90770 for opro ; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:47:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920738413:20:26594:15; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:40:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113414; 6 Mar 99 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00380 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:17:31 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00287 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:16:10 GMT Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA13141 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:03:18 GMT Received: from kiwi.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.200.20] ident=root) by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10IzsU-0005PY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:03:18 +0000 Received: from pcbi62 by kiwi.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id TAA13798; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:03:16 GMT Message-ID: <36E02A8C.5F6C@ukc.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 19:03:40 +0000 From: MattLB Organization: ukc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page mystery References: <90484@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >If you try the same thing on a master page, you can drag frames from > >your original frame, but these copies are uneditable, unmovable and > >undeletable. > > This sounds like it should be a bug. But it won't go wrong for me... Try this: Double-click OvPro. Click on icon bar icon. Open master pages. Draw a frame (I've tried it with square and oval frames) within the default frame. Click on it to select it -- it turns red and resize boxes appear. Now, pressing Shift-Alt-Select, drag a copy from the selected frame and drop the copy anywhere. If you click on the copy the outline turns red, but no resize boxes appear. Text can be typed in the frame copy, but that's about all that can be done. The frame copy can't be moved, can't be resized (even by directly entering values in the info palette) and can't be deleted with Ctrl-X or from the Edit menu. A weird caveat to this is that if one of these frame copies is Cut or Copied and then pasted, the pasted copy-of-a-copy *can* be selected, dragged and resized in the normal way. By drawing one frame and copy/pasting it (rather than Shift-Alt-Select dragging)as many times as necessary all the copies remain editable. MattLB (using OvPro 2.51, RISCOS 3.7) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:04:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90783 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:04:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920802289:10:16327:15; Sun, 07 Mar 99 10:24:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016269; 7 Mar 99 10:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00398 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:33:07 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00370 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:31:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA16756 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:57:32 GMT Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=DELL_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10JLFe-000Pxz-0B for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:52:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:51:06 +0000 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Style scope selection MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OPro 2.51 Hi, I've never noticed this before, so it may be due to some applet misbehaving - could someone please verify:. If I have a style defined with 'Selection' scope, and I fiddle anout with its tabs settings, it reverts to 'paragraph' scope without my telling it to do so. Me, Ovation, or an applet? Anyone know? cheers, Tony. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:05:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90789 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:05:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920804030:20:05754:15; Sun, 07 Mar 99 10:53:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005557; 7 Mar 99 10:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA00585 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:19:33 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00576 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:19:20 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 10Jaxn-0007HH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:39:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:40:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Style scope selection To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 06 Mar, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > OPro 2.51 > > Hi, I've never noticed this before, so it may be due to some applet > misbehaving - could someone please verify:. > > If I have a style defined with 'Selection' scope, and I fiddle anout > with its tabs settings, it reverts to 'paragraph' scope without my > telling it to do so. > > Me, Ovation, or an applet? Anyone know? > > cheers, Tony. Ovation - if you change any of the attributes which apply to whole paragraphs (seemingly anything in the Format box of the style editor) the scope is set to paragraph. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:05:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90791 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:05:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920809501:20:11183:15; Sun, 07 Mar 99 12:25:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100566; 7 Mar 99 12:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00830 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:54:03 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00825 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:53:50 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10JcRH-0006aF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:13:47 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:10:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: InDesign and Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <659799de48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 06 Mar, Alan Muscat wrote: > Having read the specs on InDesign(codename K2), Adobe's new layout > app, it is pleasing to see that Ovation Pro already has a number of the > features announced as 'firsts' for DTP. Some of the things we have > complained about as being missing from OPro, such as Index and content > generation, appear to be missing from InDesign. It is almost certain > that users of InDesign will have to purchase plugins for these features, > paying fairly big bucks into the bargain, whereas we have generous > and capable programmers who do these things for love. Aren't we lucky. Very lucky. Even its Postscript/PDF display to the monitor (like the Next) can't be better than what we have now. Now someone writes the same PDF_E? im- and export for Ovation Pro as InDesign has and we will be happy in the next century as well. Ovation Pro and InDesign beating Quark. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:05:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90798 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:05:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920822027:10:15298:20; Sun, 07 Mar 99 15:53:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104612; 7 Mar 99 15:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA01077 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:22:18 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01072 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:22:07 GMT Received: from [193.237.156.226] (helo=tarazen) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Jfgs-000443-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:42:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:01:27 +0000 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page mystery Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Nature X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Dr. D. M. Lewis" wrote: > On Wed 03 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >If you try the same thing on a master page, you can drag frames from > > >your original frame, but these copies are uneditable, unmovable and > > >undeletable. > > > > This sounds like it should be a bug. But it won't go wrong for me... > > This happens to me - except that I would at undetectable to the list of > uns! > > It only seems to affect the default document. > > If I try to resize and then copy the master page frame on the document > - you appear to drag a frame to a second position but it disappears when > you release the mouse button. The alternative method of ^C then ^V also > fails. > > However, if a *new* frame is introduced on the old master page it can be > copied (and the old frame deleted). > > When creating new documents, frames can be put on the master page and > copied by any of the methods. > > Don > After experiencing various problems with altering master page frames and the use of ^C and ^V, with just text selections as well, I had to create that doc from scratch to get it to update the pages after alteration. Since then I have adopted the policy of starting all original versions of documents from on the Iconbar Menu. Also I made fresh versions of any masters in the Stationery directory that gave problems and the Default doc. Since then I have not had a problem, but repeated editing of master page layouts does seem to give problems. -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:06:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90815 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:06:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920833367:10:23666:16; Sun, 07 Mar 99 19:02:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023395; 7 Mar 99 19:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA01653 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:32:00 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01648 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:31:48 GMT Received: from modem-16.penicillin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.83.16] helo=theranks.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10JieI-0002K3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:51:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:09:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Tom Rank Subject: Re: Style scope selection To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ovation Pro item from Tom Rank: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 06 Mar, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > OPro 2.51 [snip] > If I have a style defined with 'Selection' scope, and I fiddle anout with > its tabs settings, it reverts to 'paragraph' scope without my telling it to > do so. It sometimes (but not very often, I have to say) happens to me, and also when I try to set the style for "word" only. It switches back to "paragraph" when I've made any kind of change and only repeating the modification and saving it - sometimes more than once - seems to fix things. Tom Rank -- Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.51, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 3.7 OPro@theranks.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:06:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90818 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:06:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920887844:10:03303:15; Mon, 08 Mar 99 10:10:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003264; 8 Mar 99 10:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA02368 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:52:00 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02363 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:51:46 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:51:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Maillist Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:49:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Style scope selection Message-ID: <48df82c936C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11d (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > OPro 2.51 > Hi, I've never noticed this before, so it may be due to some applet > misbehaving - could someone please verify:. > If I have a style defined with 'Selection' scope, and I fiddle anout > with its tabs settings, it reverts to 'paragraph' scope without my > telling it to do so. This is probably OvPro trying to prevent us making fools of ourselves. A selection can be a single word, or even a single letter. A ruler has little meaning for such selections, but applies only to complete "paragraphs". If we insist on setting tabs for such a style OvPro assumes we really meant the style to apply to a paragraph....and corrects it for us. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:07:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90825 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:07:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920895405:10:11714:17; Mon, 08 Mar 99 12:16:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126789; 8 Mar 99 12:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA02569 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:27:16 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02564 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:27:05 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop7-56.access.ch [193.246.42.248]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id MAA27493 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:27:08 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:22:00 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Master page mystery To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <36E02A8C.5F6C@ukc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Mar, MattLB wrote: > Try this: > > Double-click OvPro. Click on icon bar icon. Open master pages. Draw a > frame (I've tried it with square and oval frames) within the default > frame. Click on it to select it -- it turns red and resize boxes appear. > Now, pressing Shift-Alt-Select, drag a copy from the selected frame and > drop the copy anywhere. If you click on the copy the outline turns red, > but no resize boxes appear. (Snip some more) I tried to repeat your problem but no go. It works perfectly with my version 2.51. Allow me to suggest you re-install version 2.51 "according to the book", do not install any applets and do not install any other programs. If your problem does not appear anymore, slowly add applets and/or other programs to find the culprit. I experiencee no problems with the following programs when loading OP: Alarm 2.70, Warn v.?.??, Flasher 1.06, Key Window 1.25, Blinds 1.06a, Edit 1.54, Ovation (v 1.42S), PipeDream 450/08, Charges 2.60, Diary 3.10, Pinboard 0.66, ArkTAB 1.05, Pointer Copy 0.03, InetSuite 1.31, Internet Server , Marcel 1.46 JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:07:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90827 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:07:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920899686:10:25496:20; Mon, 08 Mar 99 13:28:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108167; 8 Mar 99 13:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA02684 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:31:20 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02679 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:31:08 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id MAA31208 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:22:26 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA11734; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:55:05 GMT Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:14:39 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <48DE3606D0%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <90449@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <90449@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >> The optional Messages file which you can stick in font directories >> (RO3 onwards) allows you to rename the fonts. > This has been discussed here quite a lot, after one bout, I fixed > the problem. See the quote below, no doubt it is in the notes with > the upgrades too. It would be fixed in OPro 2.47 or later. >> Serious hacking of Font_List code to allow font names to be different >> to font identifiers i.e. permit the use of a Messages1 file. >> Font names should only appear on menus, everything else uses font id's. I'd question whether that last part is sensible. I have here a cheap clone of Gill Sans with, of course, its own name, but naturally I've used a Messages1 file to rename it Gill Sans. It's hard enough remembering that Trinity's supposed to be Times, and Homerton's supposed to be Helvetica, and... without having to remember dozens of other silly font names. Now, one day I might get beyond the stage of using OPro to write begging letters to the bank manager, I might get a decent clone of Gill Sans, and if I do I'll want to be able to replace my existing font and carry on as if nothing's happened. Will OPro allow me to do that? I fear not. :-( Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 22:36:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90900 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 22:36:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920932574:20:08786:23; Mon, 08 Mar 99 22:36:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125472; 8 Mar 99 22:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03409 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:21:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03404 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:21:39 GMT Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=DELL_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10K8PF-000NqG-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:21:50 +0000 Message-ID: <9SzmsBAovA52EwPf@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:42:00 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Style scope selection References: <48df82c936C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <48df82c936C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48df82c936C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson writes >In article , > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > >> OPro 2.51 > >> Hi, I've never noticed this before, so it may be due to some applet >> misbehaving - could someone please verify:. > >> If I have a style defined with 'Selection' scope, and I fiddle anout >> with its tabs settings, it reverts to 'paragraph' scope without my >> telling it to do so. > >This is probably OvPro trying to prevent us making fools of ourselves. A >selection can be a single word, or even a single letter. A ruler has >little meaning for such selections, but applies only to complete >"paragraphs". If we insist on setting tabs for such a style OvPro assumes >we really meant the style to apply to a paragraph....and corrects it for >us. > If that's true, then I think it's outsmarted itself. Why shouldn't one select an area less than a paragraph to apply a specific ruler to? The problem's to do with David Breakwell's IdxPro indexer applet. The ruler styles for the index have to have 'selection' style to work. Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 9 01:26:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90905 for opro ; Tue, 09 Mar 99 01:26:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920932968:20:14380:15; Mon, 08 Mar 99 22:42:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106248; 8 Mar 99 22:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03387 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:14:11 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03364 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:13:14 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10K8H7-0001pa-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:13:25 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 99 22:03:34 GMT Message-Id: <90881@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page mystery X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Double-click OvPro. Click on icon bar icon. Open master pages. Draw a >frame Still won't go wrong. I wonder if 'Click on icon bar icon' hides some trouble, because I don't have a Default document saved away inside OPro, perhaps you do... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 9 01:26:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90906 for opro ; Tue, 09 Mar 99 01:26:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920933649:10:21876:15; Mon, 08 Mar 99 22:54:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119648; 8 Mar 99 22:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03388 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:14:13 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03368 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:13:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10K8H8-0001pa-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:13:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 99 22:05:01 GMT Message-Id: <90883@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Style scope selection Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> If I have a style defined with 'Selection' scope, and I fiddle anout >> with its tabs settings, it reverts to 'paragraph' scope without my >> telling it to do so. >This is probably OvPro trying to prevent us making fools of ourselves. Yes, yes, feature not bug! David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 9 01:26:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90909 for opro ; Tue, 09 Mar 99 01:26:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920934310:20:04765:17; Mon, 08 Mar 99 23:05:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005416; 8 Mar 99 23:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03386 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:14:09 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03361 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:13:13 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10K8H5-0001pa-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:13:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 99 21:56:25 GMT Message-Id: <90879@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Getting !macros to stay X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have recently changed to using three rows of buttons in my toolbox. >I have saved the macros Correct, saving the macros saves the button bar contents and geometry. >and even saved the page as default. has no effect >Reboot or switch off- two rows of buttons, with the contents of the third >row tagged on the end of the third, flying off the screen. The common catch is that in !OvnPro.AutoRun, you don't have just !Macros as saved by the program, but you also have some other files defining macros. Another possibility is that the macro which normally forces the third row on the button bar is overwritten by being loaded from an applet. (instantly you should look at the end of the second row or the start of the third and go 'ah ha'). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 9 01:26:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90913 for opro ; Tue, 09 Mar 99 01:26:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920934626:20:10093:15; Mon, 08 Mar 99 23:10:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010053; 8 Mar 99 23:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03389 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:14:19 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03371 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:13:17 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10K8H9-0001pa-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:13:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 99 22:06:11 GMT Message-Id: <90885@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Setting the italic font as italic X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>> Font names should only appear on menus, everything else uses font id's. >I'd question whether that last part is sensible. Surely this is the correct use, though, e.g. to allow people to have translations of font names on menus. (someone is now going to tell me that font names are *never* translated, i.e. its Helvetica not Swiss). Anyway I'm not changing it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 9 20:44:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90988 for opro ; Tue, 09 Mar 99 20:44:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921008638:20:25475:19; Tue, 09 Mar 99 19:43:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101568; 9 Mar 99 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA04962 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:04:34 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04957 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:03:14 GMT Received: from auric.ihug.co.nz (p55-max12.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.17.117.247]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA0 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:58:40 +0100 (BST) From: Frank Lester Subject: MailMerge - page numbers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I know this has been asked millions of times before :-), and I have used the function myself to give total numbers of pages in a fax document from OPro. i.e. Page 1 of [merge 903] pages. This has previously worked fine when sending faxes though I don't remember when I last used it. Today however when I tried to use the mailmerge print to send a fax of several pages the error message "filing system ADFS: must be given a file name" appears. I can print off page one using "print record" of the mail merge box, but not the full multi page document. Of course I've forgotten how I set the whole merge system up and where the original instructions are, and also (shame, shame) the FAQ's address to have a look back. Can someone help please. -- Frank Lester "Omahanui" Waitangi Falls Road RD1 Waiuku,New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 9 20:44:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90989 for opro ; Tue, 09 Mar 99 20:44:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921008911:20:29513:21; Tue, 09 Mar 99 19:48:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029373; 9 Mar 99 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA04999 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:17:36 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04993 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:17:24 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-109.access.ch [195.112.70.109]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id UAA17676 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:17:41 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:49:20 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Master page mystery To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <90881@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > >Double-click OvPro. Click on icon bar icon. Open master pages. Draw a > >frame > > Still won't go wrong. I wonder if 'Click on icon bar icon' hides > some trouble, because I don't have a Default document saved away > inside OPro, perhaps you do... I do have a default file in ....!OvnPro.!OvnResDir named "Default". As a Style document. But it does not go wrong with me. Or is there possibly a difference whether the default document is a OvpStyle document or a OvnPro document? JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 01:06:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91011 for opro ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 01:06:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921021566:20:17347:21; Tue, 09 Mar 99 23:19:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017281; 9 Mar 99 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA05322 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:06:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05317 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:06:21 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.126) [193.149.81.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10KVaD-000735-00; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:06:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Mar 99 21:51:00 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Style scope selection Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 8 Mar 99 (17:42:00 +0000), tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk wrote: >The problem's to do with David Breakwell's IdxPro indexer applet. The>= ruler styles for the index have to have 'selection' style to work.>= >For those that have not used !IdxPro its not !IdxPro fault but !IdxPro= uses a OvPro feature to provide leading so that we can have an index that = looks like this:AApples..............10 = Coxes.......20Axioms...........25,30The line containing 'c= oxes' is built up with two ruler styles - one for the indent and one for th= e '....' bit. These ruler styles therefore need to apply to a selection.Thi= s is also discussed on the OvPro resources site.I have to admit tha= t this 'feature' of the styles menu is an annoyance and has caught me out o= n a number of occasions.David-- --. --. --. --. : : --- --= - .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |= _ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | = |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_|= |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 01:06:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91013 for opro ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 01:06:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921021674:20:18990:16; Tue, 09 Mar 99 23:21:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102065; 9 Mar 99 23:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA05329 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:06:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05324 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:06:34 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.126) [193.149.81.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10KVaP-000735-00; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:06:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Mar 99 21:55:31 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: IdxPro applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 21 Feb 99 (23:35:02), jclegg@argonet.co.uk wrote: >I've downloaded IdxPro, Xref and Endnotes Applets and after installing >them have been trying out the new facilities. >However, I noticed that ^X (Cut text) and Edit>Cut text had stopped >working although ^X (Cut Text frame) and Edit>Cut Text frame still >work. >I disabled the new applets and re-enabled them one at a time, tracking >the problem down to IdxPro (v. 1.03). >I can't remember seeing this mentioned before - anyone else getting >this problem? > >John > It's something to do with the interaction between !!!!!BM and !IdxPro. I spent a little time hacking the !!!!BM code to understand how I could use it in !IdxPro (it replicated some ideas I was playing with to make !IdxPro easier to use). I to have noticed the bug but haven't yet managed to work out where the problem is. I'll try and look at it again soon but RJE Thompson may have some ideas? Regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 13:49:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91026 for opro ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 13:49:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921056342:10:11110:15; Wed, 10 Mar 99 08:59:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103001; 10 Mar 99 8:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA05852 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:43:25 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA05847 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:43:11 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:43:34 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA06547 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:41:54 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:41:50 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Master page mystery To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 09 Mar, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Mon 08 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >Double-click OvPro. Click on icon bar icon. Open master pages. Draw a > > >frame > > > > Still won't go wrong. I wonder if 'Click on icon bar icon' hides > > some trouble, because I don't have a Default document saved away > > inside OPro, perhaps you do... > > > I do have a default file in ....!OvnPro.!OvnResDir named "Default". As a > Style document. But it does not go wrong with me. > Or is there possibly a difference whether the default document is a > OvpStyle document or a OvnPro document? > > JohnvV > Just tried that, and the failures persist Don Lewis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 13:49:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91025 for opro ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 13:49:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921052228:20:04798:20; Wed, 10 Mar 99 07:50:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103112; 10 Mar 99 7:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA05702 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:33:30 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA05696 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:33:16 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-14.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.74]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24143 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:32:21 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:07:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Master page mystery To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 09 Mar, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Mon 08 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >Double-click OvPro. Click on icon bar icon. Open master pages. Draw a > > >frame > > > > Still won't go wrong. I wonder if 'Click on icon bar icon' hides > > some trouble, because I don't have a Default document saved away > > inside OPro, perhaps you do... > > > I do have a default file in ....!OvnPro.!OvnResDir named "Default". As a > Style document. Ditto, and I *can* reproduce the problem (1.51) every time, even with no applets loaded. But hey, I just don't S-Alt copy. The one I find more frustrating is with lots of frames on a master page, and the odd one doesn't print out. There for all the world to see on the screen, but no text on the hard copy. Remember to group a few other frames with the culprit and everything works. Pheeuw. Still, makes the programme kinda human, don't you think? tim > But it does not go wrong with me. > Or is there possibly a difference whether the default document is a > OvpStyle document or a OvnPro document? > > JohnvV > -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 13:49:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91030 for opro ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 13:49:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921060635:20:13045:24; Wed, 10 Mar 99 10:10:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109182; 10 Mar 99 10:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06078 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:34:45 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06069 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:34:33 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 10KfOH-0000h0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:35:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:36:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: IdxPro applet To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <36E6A393.BDB@net.ntl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 10 Mar, Pete Bready wrote: > Mr Breakwell wrote: > > > > It's something to do with the interaction between !!!!!BM and !IdxPro. I spent > > a little time hacking the !!!!BM code to understand how I could use it in > > !IdxPro (it replicated some ideas I was playing with to make !IdxPro easier to > > use). I to have noticed the bug but haven't yet managed to work out where the > > problem is. > > > > I'll try and look at it again soon but RJE Thompson may have some ideas? > > > > As I've posted before, I get a funny when I use Ctrl-V in that it now > prompts for the file to be saved (!), and on second use seems to pick up > text from a document that isn't even loaded! Maybe this is related to > the above - I'll hunt about and see if any applet stores data in a file > of its own to see if I can match up the 'resurrected' text that Ctrl-V > seems to find! To cope with cutting and pasting selections which contain end notes, EndNotes has to preserve the clipboard by saving it out to a file and reloading it. (The clipboard is saved as !OvnPro.Applets.!EndNote.Clipboard) I don't understand why you should be prompted for this to happen, though - unless, I guess, you load OP from a disc which is no longer available when EndNotes tries to save the clipboard, or which is read-only. Oh gods ... networks ... Perhaps the temporary file should be saved into the scrap directory instead. I'll work on this at the weekend. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 13:50:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91033 for opro ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 13:50:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921057602:10:01902:16; Wed, 10 Mar 99 09:20:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110240; 10 Mar 99 9:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA05897 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:50:57 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05892 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:50:45 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.196]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA3868 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:42:06 +0000 Message-ID: <36E6A393.BDB@net.ntl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:53:39 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: IdxPro applet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mr Breakwell wrote: > > It's something to do with the interaction between !!!!!BM and !IdxPro. I spent > a little time hacking the !!!!BM code to understand how I could use it in > !IdxPro (it replicated some ideas I was playing with to make !IdxPro easier to > use). I to have noticed the bug but haven't yet managed to work out where the > problem is. > > I'll try and look at it again soon but RJE Thompson may have some ideas? > As I've posted before, I get a funny when I use Ctrl-V in that it now prompts for the file to be saved (!), and on second use seems to pick up text from a document that isn't even loaded! Maybe this is related to the above - I'll hunt about and see if any applet stores data in a file of its own to see if I can match up the 'resurrected' text that Ctrl-V seems to find! -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 19:26:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91085 for opro ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 19:26:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921092913:10:04504:16; Wed, 10 Mar 99 19:08:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105945; 10 Mar 99 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA06846 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:45:57 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06841 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:45:42 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Knzk-0002Vc-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:46:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 99 14:47:47 GMT Message-Id: <91057@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page mystery X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Or is there possibly a difference whether the default document is a > OvpStyle document or a OvnPro document? What I meant was that the problem might depend intimately on the contents of the Default document. Such inconsistant things can depend on anything, for example the pseudo-random contents of memory, which may depend on which other programs you use, or the phase of the moon. The 'Default' document just seemed a reasonable guess for dependency. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 22:00:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91096 for opro ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 22:00:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921103272:10:03354:17; Wed, 10 Mar 99 22:01:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003270; 10 Mar 99 22:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA07071 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:47:09 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA07066 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:46:57 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.9]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA21977 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:38:26 +0000 Message-ID: <36E7598B.1F75@net.ntl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:50:03 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: IdxPro applet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rupert Thompson wrote: > > To cope with cutting and pasting selections which contain end notes, > EndNotes has to preserve the clipboard by saving it out to a file and > reloading it. (The clipboard is saved as !OvnPro.Applets.!EndNote.Clipboard) > > I don't understand why you should be prompted for this to happen, though > - unless, I guess, you load OP from a disc which is no longer available > when EndNotes tries to save the clipboard, or which is read-only. Oh > gods ... networks ... > > Perhaps the temporary file should be saved into the scrap directory > instead. I'll work on this at the weekend. > Thanks for the clue - it was indeed remnants of the Clipboard file within !Endnotes which contained the offending text. Since disabling !Endnotes, CTRL-C and -V now work as expected. It just seemed to be the key combination of C_V which seemed to prompt the request to save (or more exactly, invoked the file overwrite dialog box) and to resurrect the Clipboard file text - using the toolbar icons to copy to the clipboard, and then to copy from several times worked fine. -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 11 01:38:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91103 for opro ; Thu, 11 Mar 99 01:38:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921115735:10:20081:15; Thu, 11 Mar 99 01:28:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020054; 11 Mar 99 1:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA07465 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:13:10 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07459 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:12:58 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 10Ku2Z-0004mA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:13:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:15:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: IdxPro applet To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <36E7598B.1F75@net.ntl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 11 Mar, Pete Bready wrote: > Thanks for the clue - it was indeed remnants of the Clipboard file > within !Endnotes which contained the offending text. Since disabling > !Endnotes, CTRL-C and -V now work as expected. > > It just seemed to be the key combination of C_V which seemed to prompt > the request to save (or more exactly, invoked the file overwrite dialog > box) and to resurrect the Clipboard file text - using the toolbar icons > to copy to the clipboard, and then to copy from several times worked > fine. > It seems there's an unfortunate interaction between EndNotes and the Overwrite applet. Chris Ford tipped me off about this; EndNotes should save the clipboard to !Scrap; Overwrite should ignore saves to the scrap dir. I'll work on EndNotes at the weekend; but for the moment, EndNotes and Overwrite are incompatible, and that's official. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 11 01:38:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91104 for opro ; Thu, 11 Mar 99 01:38:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921113266:20:14473:15; Thu, 11 Mar 99 00:47:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014380; 11 Mar 99 0:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA07322 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:25:27 GMT Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA07317 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:25:15 GMT Received: from kiwi.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.200.20] ident=root) by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10KtIL-0007DQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:25:49 +0000 Received: from pcbi62 by kiwi.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id AAA16785; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:25:48 GMT Message-ID: <36E70DAC.59A4@ukc.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:26:20 +0000 From: MattLB Organization: ukc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page mystery References: <91057@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > > Or is there possibly a difference whether the default document is a > > OvpStyle document or a OvnPro document? > > What I meant was that the problem might depend intimately on the contents of > the Default document. > > Such inconsistant things can depend on anything, for example the > pseudo-random contents of memory, which may depend on which other programs > you use, or the phase of the moon. The 'Default' document just seemed > a reasonable guess for dependency. I've been trying various things out and still see the same effect with a) all applets disabled b) choosing 'New' from the icon bar c) using a document created using a version of OvPro prior to 2.45. d) no other applications loaded I've not played around with the default at all so that's whatever was installed when upgrading. It remains a mystery, but one with a workaround. MattLB -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 13 14:46:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91281 for opro ; Sat, 13 Mar 99 14:46:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921324503:20:22206:17; Sat, 13 Mar 99 11:28:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021932; 13 Mar 99 11:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA09923 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:16:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA09918 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:15:47 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.4) [193.149.72.4] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10LmPV-0000mf-00; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:16:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: ovationpro Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48e21de015ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: 4-UP Printing? Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Advice please: I have created a one page A4 document at 100%, but wish to print it off, 4-to-a-sheet (of A4) at 50% (roughly). (Is the term really "4-up" printing, or does that only refer to four /different/ pages being printed on a single page? Apologies if I'm using the term wrongly.) First, is there a applet to do this sort of thing? I've had no luck searching http://www.beebug.com, where I normally look. Anyone have something on your own pages? If not a applet, is there an easy way to do this manually? I'm hoping /not/ to have to have four copies of the page in the file (it will change over time, and I would prefer not to have to make multiple updates, if possible). Suggestions welcome. Cheers, *** Ken *** -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / "40 is not old. Embarrassing, but not old!" | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | / ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk in W. Yorkshire ___________________________/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ken.mcnaught/ WEB: Read about my great grand father: "The (other) man in the Iron Mask!" and link to the "Knottingley Concert Brass" band site. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 13 14:47:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91284 for opro ; Sat, 13 Mar 99 14:47:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921327308:10:14607:15; Sat, 13 Mar 99 12:15:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014593; 13 Mar 99 12:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA10072 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:05:12 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10067 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:05:00 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J8S6YEK7JA00ATEE@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:14:23 GMT +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:05:09 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*student.wau.nl> Subject: Re: 4-UP Printing? In-reply-to: <48e21de015ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <26e627e248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48e21de015ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> Ken wrote: > Advice please: > > I have created a one page A4 document at 100%, but wish to print it off, > 4-to-a-sheet (of A4) at 50% (roughly). (Is the term really "4-up" > printing, or does that only refer to four /different/ pages being printed > on a single page? Apologies if I'm using the term wrongly.) > I don't know the name either but.... > First, is there a applet to do this sort of thing? I've had no luck > searching http://www.beebug.com, where I normally look. Anyone have > something on your own pages? > there is an applet, called !Imposit. It makes it possible to print as many pages on one paper as you want. You can choose whether you want different pages printed on a single paper, or all the same on one paper. I think you best have a look to the http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/It is on the normal beebug applets page. BTW: read the help file of it, there's the term 4-up explained ;-) > If not a applet, is there an easy way to do this manually? I'm hoping > /not/ to have to have four copies of the page in the file (it will change > over time, and I would prefer not to have to make multiple updates, if > possible). > Print it four times on 50% and try the good old way: cut and paste ;-) Regards -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | Ottens' Dutch Design - O'dd X X | http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 13 15:17:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91304 for opro ; Sat, 13 Mar 99 15:17:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921337219:10:16099:15; Sat, 13 Mar 99 15:00:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116650; 13 Mar 99 15:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA10304 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:49:04 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA10299 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:48:50 GMT Received: from [158.152.89.120] (helo=snave.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Lpji-0004cC-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:49:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:11:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: 4-UP Printing? Message-ID: <48e22df648jack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48e21de015ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> References: <48e21de015ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48e21de015ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk>, Ken wrote: > Advice please: > I have created a one page A4 document at 100%, but wish to print it off, > 4-to-a-sheet (of A4) at 50% (roughly). (Is the term really "4-up" > printing, or does that only refer to four /different/ pages being printed > on a single page? Apologies if I'm using the term wrongly.) > First, is there a applet to do this sort of thing? I've had no luck > searching http://www.beebug.com, where I normally look. Anyone have > something on your own pages? > If not a applet, is there an easy way to do this manually? What's wrong with this? With your A4 page onscreen and printer loaded click document's OPro Print icon. In Print window top right click right-pointing arrow -> Thumbnails -> All same. Click Print setup (left side of Print window) and in the extended window, change scale to 50 and click Centre. Go back and check Thumbnails setting, which should now show Print area (2x2). If not, either tick Paper area instead or reduce scale from 50 until it shows 2x2. (The choice of print or paper areas allows for the inability of many printers to print right to the paper edage.) -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 13 16:43:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91305 for opro ; Sat, 13 Mar 99 16:43:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921339294:10:18199:15; Sat, 13 Mar 99 15:34:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018184; 13 Mar 99 15:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA10401 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:19:57 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10396 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:19:46 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10LqDg-0007B8-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:20:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 99 15:10:07 GMT Message-Id: <91302@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 4-UP Printing? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have created a one page A4 document at 100%, but wish to print it off, >4-to-a-sheet (of A4) at 50% (roughly). If you open the print dialogue box, click on the menu icon to the right of Format (at the top), what you want is the format 'thumbnail' off the menu. It will let you set up to print 4 pages per sheet of paper, and there's an option to make them all the same. Now... if you don't have 'thumbnail' on that menu, you have to install the !Imposit applet. Supplied with OPro, and the upgrades, latest one on the www.beebug.com web site. Had you wanted to set up printing a multipage document 4 pages to a sheet, for cutting and folding into a book, then the right print format would have been 'booklet'. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 15 19:12:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91317 for opro ; Mon, 15 Mar 99 19:12:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921352415:10:10018:15; Sat, 13 Mar 99 19:13:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009972; 13 Mar 99 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA10710 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:02:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA10705 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:02:34 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.178) [193.149.71.178] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10LthI-000758-00; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:03:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:01:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48e2488a4bken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Re: 4-UP Printing? In-Reply-To: <91302@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <91302@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I have created a one page A4 document at 100%, but wish to print it off, > >4-to-a-sheet (of A4) at 50% (roughly). > If you open the print dialogue box, click on the menu icon to the right > of Format (at the top), what you want is the format 'thumbnail' off > the menu. It will let you set up to print 4 pages per sheet of paper, > and there's an option to make them all the same. [snip] How embarrassing . It was there in front of me the whole time! I do indeed have thumbnails on my print menu, but I had simply never noticed the "All the same" option RIGHT AT THE TOP(!) of its menu. Exactly what I was looking for (with scale control as well :-) Many thanks all that replied: Steven, Jack and of course Sir David himself. Cheers, *** Ken *** -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / "40 is not old. Embarrassing, but not old!" | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | / ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk in W. Yorkshire ___________________________/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ken.mcnaught/ WEB: Read about my great grand father: "The (other) man in the Iron Mask!" and link to the "Knottingley Concert Brass" band site. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 15 19:12:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91320 for opro ; Mon, 15 Mar 99 19:12:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921440985:20:24318:15; Sun, 14 Mar 99 19:49:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024211; 14 Mar 99 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11950 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:39:26 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11945 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:39:14 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J8U14C9JPA009ZZ5@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:48:58 GMT +0100 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:39:39 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*student.wau.nl> Subject: Pantone colours To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <4d58d5e248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello I'm wondering if it is possible to use pantone colours in OvationPro. I've looked in the manual and couldn't find anything, nor could i find anything in the mailinglist archives. I (might) need it when i'm going to bring files to the publisher. Is there a way, and how to use it. Sorry if it has been asked before... Best regards, -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | Ottens' Dutch Design - O'dd X X | http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 15 19:13:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91329 for opro ; Mon, 15 Mar 99 19:13:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921516772:20:00712:29; Mon, 15 Mar 99 16:52:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000552; 15 Mar 99 16:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA13297 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:54:47 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13292 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:54:29 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.13]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4CFE for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:54:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:53:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Printing large pamphlets Message-ID: <48e3446ff8delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11d (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Here's a challenge for all Applet programmers: Could the Print Pamphlet option be extended, so that it 'pamphlets' configurable chunks of pages? I'll try to explain what I mean: Imagine a pamphlet of 40 pages of A4. When you fold this as required, you will get a thick book of 80 pages. The inner page sticks out more than two centimetre compared to the outer page (do you still follow?) When cutting the book (which isn't too easy with so many pages) you will inevitably cut a strip of the text of the inner pages, or at least have a book with an irregular lay-out. My idea is to have a pamphlet print option that prints 'sub'-pamphlets of, say, 16 pages that can be folded and cut individually and then combined together, using glue or bind techniques or whatever. The clue is that for each sub-pamphlet, the program has to combine other pages than when printing one large pamphlet. This should be calculated automatically, perhaps even with different chunks of pages (although 16 seems to be a reasonable number). I hope that I've made myself clear. Very curious about reactions! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 15 19:13:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91335 for opro ; Mon, 15 Mar 99 19:13:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921523753:20:07489:16; Mon, 15 Mar 99 18:49:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007323; 15 Mar 99 18:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA13527 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:31:41 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13522 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:31:29 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19858 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:31:38 GMT Message-ID: <36ED5279.3ECDE91D@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:33:29 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets References: <48e3446ff8delink@news.wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro You seem to be asking for variable margins. The centre margin would get smaller, & the edge margins get bigger towards the centre of the pamphlet. Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Here's a challenge for all Applet programmers: > > Could the Print Pamphlet option be extended, so that it 'pamphlets' > configurable chunks of pages? > > I'll try to explain what I mean: > Imagine a pamphlet of 40 pages of A4. When you fold this as required, you > will get a thick book of 80 pages. The inner page sticks out more than two > centimetre compared to the outer page (do you still follow?) > When cutting the book (which isn't too easy with so many pages) you will > inevitably cut a strip of the text of the inner pages, or at least have a > book with an irregular lay-out. > > My idea is to have a pamphlet print option that prints 'sub'-pamphlets of, > say, 16 pages that can be folded and cut individually and then combined > together, using glue or bind techniques or whatever. > > The clue is that for each sub-pamphlet, the program has to combine other > pages than when printing one large pamphlet. This should be calculated > automatically, perhaps even with different chunks of pages (although 16 > seems to be a reasonable number). > > I hope that I've made myself clear. > Very curious about reactions! > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=01426-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2711, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 15 19:14:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91338 for opro ; Mon, 15 Mar 99 19:14:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921424991:10:20994:15; Sun, 14 Mar 99 15:23:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105611; 14 Mar 99 15:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA11613 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:08:58 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11608 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:08:42 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 10MCWh-0004dH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:10:03 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:11:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: EndNotes and the Overwrite applet To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro EndNotes version 3.04 was incompatible with the Overwrite applet. This problem has been fixed in version 3.05 which is now available from my website. I'm grateful to Chris Ford for pointing out what was going wrong. Hopefully this will have cured peoples' problems with Ctrl-V not working. There is a small side effect, in that the Documents applet will show as one of the documents recently saved. I guess the Documents applet should be modified to ignore saves into the scrap directory. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 16 13:52:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91408 for opro ; Tue, 16 Mar 99 13:52:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921573545:20:27133:15; Tue, 16 Mar 99 08:39:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102819; 16 Mar 99 8:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA13985 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:28:45 GMT Received: from mail-relay.power.net.uk (mail-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA13980 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:28:32 GMT Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust98.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.98]) by mail-relay.power.net.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA15599 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:06:59 GMT Received: from catchline (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:07:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:06:56 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36ED5279.3ECDE91D@sees.bangor.ac.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is known as 'creep' and is a feature of high end imposition programs. There was a brief discussion about that on the list a long time ago, as I recall. It would be a nice feature to have - but then again imposition software can cost thousands of pounds! David John Percy Kerslake wrote: > You seem to be asking for variable margins. The > centre margin > would get smaller, & the edge margins get bigger > towards the centre > of the pamphlet. > > Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > > Here's a challenge for all Applet programmers: > > > > Could the Print Pamphlet option be extended, so that it 'pamphlets' > > configurable chunks of pages? > > > > I'll try to explain what I mean: > > Imagine a pamphlet of 40 pages of A4. When you fold this as required, you > > will get a thick book of 80 pages. The inner page sticks out more than two > > centimetre compared to the outer page (do you still follow?) > > When cutting the book (which isn't too easy with so many pages) you will > > inevitably cut a strip of the text of the inner pages, or at least have a > > book with an irregular lay-out. > > > > My idea is to have a pamphlet print option that prints 'sub'-pamphlets of, > > say, 16 pages that can be folded and cut individually and then combined > > together, using glue or bind techniques or whatever. > > > > The clue is that for each sub-pamphlet, the program has to combine other > > pages than when printing one large pamphlet. This should be calculated > > automatically, perhaps even with different chunks of pages (although 16 > > seems to be a reasonable number). > > > > I hope that I've made myself clear. > > Very curious about reactions! > > > > Kind regards, > > Paul Sprangers > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 16 13:52:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91409 for opro ; Tue, 16 Mar 99 13:52:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921573584:20:27570:24; Tue, 16 Mar 99 08:39:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027453; 16 Mar 99 8:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA13926 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:20:47 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA13905 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:20:04 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Mf6V-0007Z1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:40:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 99 21:29:59 GMT Message-Id: <91378@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pantone colours X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm wondering if it is possible to use pantone colours in OvationPro. Yes. I think the early versions of OPro shipped with a colour table called 'generic' which bore some relation to Pantone. And plenty of people have produced Pantone clone colour tables. What you do is introduce a spot colour, and say "this is Pantone XYZ". Then you print your job and tell the printer, "this file is to be printed as pantone XYZ". Your process plates can't contain info about Pantones, because they represent the Pantone split into CMYK, although those CMYK values are in the colour table and are correct for the Pantone - on some sort of general printing press. Interesting question if there's a way of embedding the information that a colour is a Pantone in a composite PostScript file? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 16 13:52:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91410 for opro ; Tue, 16 Mar 99 13:52:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921574427:20:12427:16; Tue, 16 Mar 99 08:53:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124340; 16 Mar 99 8:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA13930 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:20:51 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA13913 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:20:09 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Mf6T-0007Z1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:40:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 99 21:22:53 GMT Message-Id: <91376@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Could the Print Pamphlet option be extended, so that it 'pamphlets' >configurable chunks of pages? Say you have a 320 page book, then typically it will be printed as 20 x 16 page 'booklets' which are then bound together. You can confirm this by looking at a good thick book. The idea with OPro is that you can use the pamphlet printing mode to produce these 'booklets'. All you'd do is tell it to print pages 1 to 32 as one printjob, and then 33 to 64 as the next and so on. So it doesn't need a new print format. Although I think you could do a print format which did the above job of splitting into 'booklets' for you. Finally yes in a booklet pages nearer the outside should be printed in slightly diffent positions to those near the middle. Technical term 'creep'. ISTR a big disucssion about it here, some months back, and I think the pamphlet applet has a variable in it, to allow for this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 16 13:52:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91413 for opro ; Tue, 16 Mar 99 13:52:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921575437:20:28636:15; Tue, 16 Mar 99 09:10:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125375; 16 Mar 99 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA14249 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:56:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14240 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:55:48 GMT Received: from [194.222.205.183] (helo=chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10MjU8-0004Sk-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 02:21:37 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:54:03 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:53:50 +0000 From: Deri James To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page mystery Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36E70DAC.59A4@ukc.ac.uk> X-Organization: AtHome X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > Or is there possibly a difference whether the default > > > document is a OvpStyle document or a OvnPro document? > > > > What I meant was that the problem might depend intimately on > > the contents of the Default document. > > > > Such inconsistant things can depend on anything, for example > > the pseudo-random contents of memory, which may depend on > > which other programs you use, or the phase of the moon. The > > 'Default' document just seemed a reasonable guess for > > dependency. > > I've been trying various things out and still see the same > effect with a) all applets disabled b) choosing 'New' from the > icon bar c) using a document created using a version of OvPro > prior to 2.45. d) no other applications loaded > I've not played around with the default at all so that's > whatever was installed when upgrading. It remains a mystery, > but one with a workaround. MattLB > > -- I notice that the "stuck" alt-shifted copy on the Master page can be made to function normally again if you select it and do Object->Make Local. Still functions as a normal Master Frame though. So it appears that a "local" frame on a Master Page becomes a "master" frame on a Master Page (with all the normal restrictions on moving/resizing). -- Deri James -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 16 17:40:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91445 for opro ; Tue, 16 Mar 99 17:40:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921599197:10:06725:17; Tue, 16 Mar 99 15:46:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120791; 16 Mar 99 15:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA14732 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:42:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA14727 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:42:45 GMT Received: from (194.69.96.193) [194.69.96.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Mv3f-00012G-00; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:43:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Vardy) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 13:44:15 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: EPS Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I want to print to a colour laser printer, using the postscript lev2 driver. Some of the transparancies are not working, those which are 24 bit. Does the mask get lost at 24bit? The printer suggested outputting to EPS, which Compo can do but I don't think Ovpro will import, unless anybody knows different. TIA. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ richard.vardy@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 16 18:42:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91459 for opro ; Tue, 16 Mar 99 18:42:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921606318:10:25505:15; Tue, 16 Mar 99 17:45:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025474; 16 Mar 99 17:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA14979 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:05:58 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA14974 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:05:34 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA04862 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:05:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199903161705.SAA04862@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 16 Mar 1999 16:24:51 GMT Subject: Re: Pantone colours MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >Hello > >I'm wondering if it is possible to use pantone colours in OvationPro. I've >looked in the manual and couldn't find anything, nor could i find anything >in the mailinglist archives. I (might) need it when i'm going to bring files >to the publisher. Is there a way, and how to use it. > What You need is a palette-file in .Colours with Pantone colours in it. I have one but where did I get that from? If it is not on beebug.com and You can't find it, as me, I'll send You one. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 16 18:42:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91460 for opro ; Tue, 16 Mar 99 18:42:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921607803:10:14329:15; Tue, 16 Mar 99 18:10:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013802; 16 Mar 99 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA14804 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:33:47 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14799 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:33:35 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.229]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA2C43 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:33:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:32:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Printing large pamphlets Message-ID: <48e3c66805delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <91376@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <91376@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11d (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > The idea with OPro is that you can use the pamphlet printing mode to > produce these 'booklets'. All you'd do is tell it to print > pages 1 to 32 as one printjob, and then 33 to 64 as the next and so on. Great! OPro always appears to be even better than I thought. In Impression this simple solution wouldn't work, as it always takes the entire document in account. Thank you for your suggestion. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 16 18:42:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91463 for opro ; Tue, 16 Mar 99 18:42:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921609395:10:08170:19; Tue, 16 Mar 99 18:36:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007626; 16 Mar 99 18:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA15152 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:51:14 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA15147 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:50:59 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:51:09 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09699 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:50:39 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:50:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Master page mystery To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 12 Mar, Deri James wrote: > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > Or is there possibly a difference whether the default > > > > document is a OvpStyle document or a OvnPro document? > > > > > > What I meant was that the problem might depend intimately on > > > the contents of the Default document. > > > ...snip ... > > I've not played around with the default at all so that's > > whatever was installed when upgrading. It remains a mystery, > > but one with a workaround. MattLB > > > > -- > > I notice that the "stuck" alt-shifted copy on the Master page can > be made to function normally again if you select it and do > Object->Make Local. Still functions as a normal Master Frame > though. > > So it appears that a "local" frame on a Master Page becomes a > "master" frame on a Master Page (with all the normal restrictions > on moving/resizing). > I've tried with my Default document and find the Make local is greyed out on the Master Page's frame's Object List. Perhaps the is linked with being unable to copy the frame - sometimes. Is this an easier problem to solve? Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 16 20:46:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91464 for opro ; Tue, 16 Mar 99 20:46:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921610151:10:19796:15; Tue, 16 Mar 99 18:49:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102001; 16 Mar 99 18:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA15287 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:22:12 GMT Received: from praseodumium (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15281 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:22:01 GMT Received: from [62.172.59.232] (helo=a.esplen.btinternet.com.btinternet.com) by praseodumium with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10MyRF-00008P-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:19:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:18:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Subject: Re: Pantone colours To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4d58d5e248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-URL: none X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 14 Mar, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Hello > > I'm wondering if it is possible to use pantone colours in OvationPro. I've > looked in the manual and couldn't find anything, nor could i find anything > in the mailinglist archives. I (might) need it when i'm going to bring files > to the publisher. Is there a way, and how to use it. > > Sorry if it has been asked before... > > Best regards, Steven, I tried to send you the P**tone colour file but the mail was bounced from the address you gave. If you would like me to send it to you please email me at the address below. Regards Alan. -- Alan Esplen Graphic Design Great Waltham, Essex, England. email: a.esplen@btinternet.com Check out Anne & Alans Home Page and Meccano page http://www.btinternet.com/~a.esplen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 16 21:11:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91483 for opro ; Tue, 16 Mar 99 21:11:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921618251:10:25793:20; Tue, 16 Mar 99 21:04:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119959; 16 Mar 99 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA15568 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:49:05 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA15563 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:48:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10N0m1-0006sj-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:49:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 18:41:01 GMT Message-Id: <91457@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I want to print to a colour laser printer, using the postscript lev2 driver. >Some of the transparancies are not working, those which are 24 bit. Does the >mask get lost at 24bit? The printer suggested outputting to EPS, which Compo >can do but I don't think Ovpro will import, unless anybody knows different. ISTR considerable discussion of this sort of thing in the maillist - guess just before Xmas, some time like that. I don't recall the conclusion, I know that some cases work and others don't. OPro won't import EPS, but does Compo generate its own EPS (rather than using the Acorn printer drivers)? David Pilling's scanning software does generate its own EPS, but does not allow for transparancy in them. (an upgrade to David Pilling's scanning software 1.12 has just appeard on my web site, IM 1.12 does handle transparancy for some filetypes now). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 17 13:54:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91507 for opro ; Wed, 17 Mar 99 13:54:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921660226:20:19453:16; Wed, 17 Mar 99 08:43:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105326; 17 Mar 99 8:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA16008 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:29:15 GMT Received: from mail-relay.power.net.uk (mail-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA16003 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:29:01 GMT Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust87.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.87]) by mail-relay.power.net.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA25395 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:26:48 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:10:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:09:51 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pantone colours Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <91378@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I'm wondering if it is possible to use pantone colours in OvationPro. > > Yes. I think the early versions of OPro shipped with a colour table > called 'generic' which bore some relation to Pantone. And plenty of > people have produced Pantone clone colour tables. > > What you do is introduce a spot colour, and say "this is Pantone XYZ". > Then you print your job and tell the printer, "this file is to be > printed as pantone XYZ". > > Your process plates can't contain info about Pantones, because they > represent the Pantone split into CMYK, although those CMYK values > are in the colour table and are correct for the Pantone - on some > sort of general printing press. > > Interesting question if there's a way of embedding the information that > a colour is a Pantone in a composite PostScript file? > Surely, since Pantones are specs for spot colours, there is no way (or particular point) in specifying Pantone in a composite Postscript file? I do find it useful to emulate a Pantone, as far as possible, in CMYK so composites look roughly OK on screen, and in inkjet printouts. I also tend to call the spot colour by the Pantone name, (e.g. PMS 536 or whatever). That way, it appears on the film separation with the printer's marks and, hopefully, leaves less to chance at the printers! David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 17 13:54:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91509 for opro ; Wed, 17 Mar 99 13:54:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921667809:20:03666:20; Wed, 17 Mar 99 10:50:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108091; 17 Mar 99 10:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA16202 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:10:38 GMT Received: from ipgw.ifrinternational.co.uk (ipgw.ifrinternational.co.uk [194.202.211.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA16193 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:10:21 GMT From: Received: from saturn.ifrinternational.co.uk by ipgw.ifrinternational.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA10838; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:44:50 GMT Received: from ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk by saturn.ifrinternational.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02572; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:44:47 GMT Received: from ccMail by ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5) id AA921663863; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:44:25 GMT Message-Id: <9903179216.AA921663863@ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:42:14 GMT To: Subject: Re[2]: Printing large pamphlets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi there, Maybe I have missed the plot here but I interpret the request below not as variable margins but more of a choice in the 'pamphlets' options that will recalculate the number of pages into smaller groups (and therefore the sorting out of what page is printed on the back of another) to be in, say 6, chunks of 20 pages to make up a 120 page book. This would not entirely remove the 'creeping' margin problem, I grant you, but would be significantly better than all 120 pages in one big lump. Where the offset would be significant! Am I on the right track of just totally out of it? I for one think this is a great idea and would deifinitely use it is available. Regards _ Nigel J.E.Adams |_| General Secretary A bus stop! | British Bus Preservation Group | Preserving the past for the future. _____________|__________ RiscPC StrongArm, A4, A440/1 & A310, plus a couple of buses! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets Author: at mismtpgw1 Date: 15/03/99 18:33 You seem to be asking for variable margins. The centre margin would get smaller, & the edge margins get bigger towards the centre of the pamphlet. Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Here's a challenge for all Applet programmers: > > Could the Print Pamphlet option be extended, so that it 'pamphlets' > configurable chunks of pages? > > I'll try to explain what I mean: > Imagine a pamphlet of 40 pages of A4. When you fold this as required, you > will get a thick book of 80 pages. The inner page sticks out more than two > centimetre compared to the outer page (do you still follow?) > When cutting the book (which isn't too easy with so many pages) you will > inevitably cut a strip of the text of the inner pages, or at least have a > book with an irregular lay-out. > > My idea is to have a pamphlet print option that prints 'sub'-pamphlets of, > say, 16 pages that can be folded and cut individually and then combined > together, using glue or bind techniques or whatever. > > The clue is that for each sub-pamphlet, the program has to combine other > pages than when printing one large pamphlet. This should be calculated > automatically, perhaps even with different chunks of pages (although 16 > seems to be a reasonable number). > > I hope that I've made myself clear. > Very curious about reactions! > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=01426-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2711, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 17 13:54:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91514 for opro ; Wed, 17 Mar 99 13:54:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921675094:20:14411:18; Wed, 17 Mar 99 12:51:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129359; 17 Mar 99 12:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA16376 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:57:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA16371 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:57:08 GMT Received: from (bb44.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.88.182] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10NEx8-0005mn-00; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:57:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:42:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 Message-ID: <48e3ccd664sknatt@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <87789@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <87789@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <87789@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In brief Beebug are selling upgrades to 2.52. However it is scarcely > different to the 2.51 you can get off the web pages. I am at present using v2.50. I tried today to download the upgrade op246 off the website, unfortunately SparkFS gives me "an unidentified header error". Other archives have downloaded and un-zipped successfully. Has anyone downloaded it ok? What are the differences of V2.52 over V2.50? Thanks steve. -- Steve Knattress, using an Acorn RiscPC(SA) through Argonet, with !Voyager (2.03) and !Pluto -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 17 17:40:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91552 for opro ; Wed, 17 Mar 99 17:40:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921691613:10:17493:18; Wed, 17 Mar 99 17:26:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128604; 17 Mar 99 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA16762 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:03:43 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16757 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:03:26 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06173 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:03:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199903171703.SAA06173@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 17 Mar 1999 10:25:55 GMT Subject: Re: EPS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >I don't recall the conclusion, I know that some cases work and others don't. > I tried a 32-bit Sprite then and the mask was lost printing to PostScript (i.e. it was replaced by white). 24-bit Sprites are, well, do they exist? All others, 15-bit, 8-bit, ... I did not try them and would not. If You need a mask or even transparency, emulate it. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 17 20:44:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91582 for opro ; Wed, 17 Mar 99 20:44:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921700412:20:20676:22; Wed, 17 Mar 99 19:53:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020365; 17 Mar 99 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA17067 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:17:17 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA17062 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:17:06 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.177) [193.149.69.177] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10NLoy-0005ph-00; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:17:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:53:30 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Re[2]: Printing large pamphlets Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In the same sort of thread here: Is it possible, in a 'Do It Yourself' way, to bind a whole book's worth of pamphlet pages - folded A4 with 4 71%-reduced pages printed back-and-front IYSWIM. I *was* going to stitch them to some sort of backing: but it just sort of grew and grew until there are now over 200 folded A4s to deal with - ie 800 'book pages'. Is there some sort of glue process that would 'bind' these individual folded sheets into, say, 100 (folded) page volumes? I have in mind sticking them in a vice, painting glue + backing on the 'spine' and letting it set. Or am I hoping for too much as DIY? -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 17 20:45:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91583 for opro ; Wed, 17 Mar 99 20:44:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921701237:20:05854:15; Wed, 17 Mar 99 20:07:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101545; 17 Mar 99 20:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA17204 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:50:49 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17199 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:50:29 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.65.136]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA35C2 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:50:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:45:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re[3]: Printing large pamphlets Message-ID: <48e4615ccedelink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <9903179216.AA921663863@ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk> References: <9903179216.AA921663863@ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11d (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro wrote: >Maybe I have missed the plot here but I interpret the request below >not as variable margins but more of a choice in the 'pamphlets' >options that will recalculate the number of pages into smaller groups >(and therefore the sorting out of what page is printed on the back of >another) to be in, say 6, chunks of 20 pages to make up a 120 page >book. > >This would not entirely remove the 'creeping' margin problem, I grant >you, but would be significantly better than all 120 pages in one big >lump. Where the offset would be significant! > >Am I on the right track of just totally out of it? You're absolutely on the right track: it is exactly what I meant. But... the problem is already solved, albeit partly. I'll quote David Pillings answer; >The idea with OPro is that you can use the pamphlet printing mode to >produce these 'booklets'. All you'd do is tell it to print >pages 1 to 32 as one printjob, and then 33 to 64 as the next and so on. >So it doesn't need a new print format. Although I think you could >do a print format which did the above job of splitting into 'booklets' >for you. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 17 20:45:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91585 for opro ; Wed, 17 Mar 99 20:45:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921699457:10:14995:17; Wed, 17 Mar 99 19:37:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129498; 17 Mar 99 19:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA17008 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:06:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA17003 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:06:40 GMT Received: from (194.69.99.79) [194.69.99.79] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10NLes-0005bs-00; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:07:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(ovation) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:59:53 +0000 X-Organization: Locationworks, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: EPS Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 16 Mar 99 (18:41:01), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >(an upgrade to David Pilling's scanning software 1.12 has just appeard on my web site, IM >1.12 >does handle transparancy for some filetypes now). That upgrade is from 1.10 to 1.12. How do you upgrade from 1.11 to 1.12? -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ ovation@locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 17 20:45:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91588 for opro ; Wed, 17 Mar 99 20:45:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921695717:10:17750:17; Wed, 17 Mar 99 18:35:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017706; 17 Mar 99 18:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA16905 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:19:02 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA16900 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:18:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10NKua-0003IR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:19:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 99 18:07:35 GMT Message-Id: <91563@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tried a 32-bit Sprite then and the mask was lost printing to PostScript >(i.e. it was replaced by white). 24-bit Sprites are, well, do they exist? This is a bit like "a lie being half way around the world before the truth has got his boots on"... I just tried a 32bpp sprite with a mask, and it worked, transparancy rendered correctly using GhostScript to view the results. One point, I guess if you use ChangeFSI to import images, you might do that unknowingly if they get transloaded, it will strip off the mask. Interestingly enough a 24bpp sprite format is defined in the RISC OS PRM's, but it is not supported by RISC OS, and (thank goodness) I've yet to encounter one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 17 22:14:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91593 for opro ; Wed, 17 Mar 99 22:14:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921704190:20:25534:15; Wed, 17 Mar 99 20:56:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025402; 17 Mar 99 20:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA17439 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:43:57 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17434 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:43:45 GMT Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10NNAp-0003XY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:44:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:43:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48e3ccd664sknatt@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 16 Mar, Steve wrote: > In article <87789@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > In brief Beebug are selling upgrades to 2.52. However it is scarcely > > different to the 2.51 you can get off the web pages. > > I am at present using v2.50. > > I tried today to download the upgrade op246 off the website, unfortunately > SparkFS gives me "an unidentified header error". Other archives have > downloaded and un-zipped successfully. > > Has anyone downloaded it ok? What are the differences of V2.52 over V2.50? I'm afraid I can't give a technical explanation, but this does happen to me from time to time. What I have found is to return the following day and download again and the archive seems to be OK. I would love an explanation though! Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 17 22:14:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91594 for opro ; Wed, 17 Mar 99 22:14:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921704599:20:02198:15; Wed, 17 Mar 99 21:03:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129554; 17 Mar 99 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA17497 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:53:51 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17492 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:53:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10NNKS-0004Kr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:54:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 99 20:47:34 GMT Message-Id: <91590@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >That upgrade is from 1.10 to 1.12. >How do you upgrade from 1.11 to 1.12? Since no one has 1.11 (on release disc) the problem does not arise. My problem is that I don't have originals of every version issued, so I have to draw a line, and say I can only offer online upgrades from some point, if you have an earlier version, then send the original disc back with return postage, and I'll let you have 1.10. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 18 13:48:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91641 for opro ; Thu, 18 Mar 99 13:48:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921744749:10:23174:18; Thu, 18 Mar 99 08:12:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022961; 18 Mar 99 8:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA18031 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:49:34 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA18026 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:49:19 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10NXZ2-0007BZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:50:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:20:52 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: A5000 OPro mystery To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all Here is the wierdest thing ever: I have installed OPro at home and used it for ages, installed the school site licence copy on 18 machines, ; but for some odd reason, when I install it on the school A5000 with 2 hard drives in, it works OK once installed, but once swithced off and on again, prompts the message "This copy was not originally installed on this machine. Please reinstall." I have now done this four times, and am getting a wee bit tired of it. Even doing this with the original discs and keeping it at version 2.46 too. Do you have any ideas at all? Yes, I have double-clicked on !ResDir and !words. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Only dead fish go with the flow." Attrib. Sarah Craig -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 18 13:48:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91643 for opro ; Thu, 18 Mar 99 13:48:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921748038:10:15213:16; Thu, 18 Mar 99 09:07:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126376; 18 Mar 99 9:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA18181 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:46:31 GMT Received: from neodymium (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA18176 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:46:20 GMT Received: from [195.99.52.66] (helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by neodymium with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10NYQQ-00003m-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:45:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:39:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Printing large pamphlets Message-ID: <48e4a2bf6ddarprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr A G Gray wrote: > In the same sort of thread here: > Is it possible, in a 'Do It Yourself' way, to bind a whole book's worth > of pamphlet pages - folded A4 with 4 71%-reduced pages printed > back-and-front IYSWIM. > I *was* going to stitch them to some sort of backing: but it just sort > of grew and grew until there are now over 200 folded A4s to deal with - > ie 800 'book pages'. > Is there some sort of glue process that would 'bind' these individual > folded sheets into, say, 100 (folded) page volumes? > I have in mind sticking them in a vice, painting glue + backing on the > 'spine' and letting it set. Or am I hoping for too much as DIY? Not sure what you mean here, Alan. If I understand correctly, what you need to do is guillotine the collated sheets' folded edges, then apply padding glue and gauze for added strength, but if you give me a ring I'm sure we can sort something. Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 18 17:24:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91676 for opro ; Thu, 18 Mar 99 17:24:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921774527:10:01192:26; Thu, 18 Mar 99 16:28:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000404; 18 Mar 99 16:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA18697 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:24:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA18692 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:24:02 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.231) [193.149.73.231] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Nef9-0001PR-00; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:24:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:01:35 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Re[2]: Printing large pamphlets Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hallo Roger, Thanks for your answer to my pamphlet query. It's more a 'something I may get round to in the future' sort of thing: just that I've been printing a long diary in 4-to-a-page (front and back) A4 and was wondering about gluing the folded pages to some sort of cloth spine and binding them. A great DIY-er, but with no knowledge of book-binding! I'll bear your address in mind if I get round to it seriously though - I'm only 10 miles the other side of the Dartford Tunnel... Cheers, -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 18 17:24:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91678 for opro ; Thu, 18 Mar 99 17:24:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921773089:20:07772:15; Thu, 18 Mar 99 16:04:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100515; 18 Mar 99 16:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA18657 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:45:59 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18652 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:45:45 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Ne43-0004gq-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:46:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 99 14:39:20 GMT Message-Id: <91670@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A5000 OPro mystery X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > when I install it on the school A5000 with 2 hard drives in, it works OK >once installed, but once swithced off and on again, prompts the message >"This copy was not originally installed on this machine. Please reinstall." OPro adds secret information to your disc drive to tell it that it is legally installed. So it should only run from the disc it was installed on. I have nothing to do with the copy protection, so all I can do is offer some guesses... Like it may take on drive as the default, and you should install OPro on that, rather than on the one you want. I have 2 disc drives, but ones SCSI and I've had no problems, nor I would guess have many people. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 18 18:06:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91688 for opro ; Thu, 18 Mar 99 18:06:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921778971:10:09681:32; Thu, 18 Mar 99 17:42:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115246; 18 Mar 99 17:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA18926 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:03:32 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18921 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:03:17 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA25958 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:03:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199903181703.SAA25958@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 18 Mar 1999 12:00:27 GMT Subject: Re: EPS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >I just tried a 32bpp sprite with a mask, and it worked, transparancy >rendered correctly using GhostScript to view the results. > Huh ? Well, I used a draw-file with a 32bpp image overlaying some paths. The image is just two bands of colours and the mask is some doodles painted with the brush. It looks o.k. in Draw and OP, it prints o.k. with LaserDirect and SPrinter. But, printing it PostScript (L. 1 and 2) gives me white where the mask was in the sprite (with GhostScript 5.10 and DPS). I just re-tried it. ChangeFSI cannot interfere and does not, because: While printing I always had the colour-option active. Guess what happened when I printed grayscale? So the mask is "only" lost when printing in colour ?!? >One point, I guess if you use ChangeFSI to import images, you might >do that unknowingly if they get transloaded, it will strip off the mask. > see above Wish I was hallucinating, but... Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 18 21:18:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91696 for opro ; Thu, 18 Mar 99 21:18:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921785657:10:22799:17; Thu, 18 Mar 99 19:34:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022767; 18 Mar 99 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA19163 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:06:12 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19158 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:05:59 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Ni7y-0002OW-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:06:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 99 18:59:15 GMT Message-Id: <91691@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > While printing I always had the colour-option active. Guess what >happened when I printed grayscale? So the mask is "only" lost when >printing in colour ?!? Yes, confirmed, with the level 2 PS driver, if I select colour, masking fails to work. This is actually not so bad, because for printing separations, grey scale mode is all you need. So major tip, if you want masking to work with PS, switch off colour. >Wish I was hallucinating, but... ...reality is on the blink again? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 18 22:39:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91701 for opro ; Thu, 18 Mar 99 22:39:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921796407:10:14897:21; Thu, 18 Mar 99 22:33:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124169; 18 Mar 99 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA19562 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:14:54 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19557 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:14:42 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Nl4b-0001dT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:15:30 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:32:26 GMT Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:32:19 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <91563@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <91563@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >I tried a 32-bit Sprite then and the mask was lost printing to PostScript > >(i.e. it was replaced by white). 24-bit Sprites are, well, do they exist? > > This is a bit like "a lie being half way around the world before the > truth has got his boots on"... > > I just tried a 32bpp sprite with a mask, and it worked, transparancy > rendered correctly using GhostScript to view the results. So why did this work for you. My experience is to have had the mask replaced with white. > > One point, I guess if you use ChangeFSI to import images, you might > do that unknowingly if they get transloaded, it will strip off the mask. Can you explain this further? Are you saying that using CFSI will strip off a channel from a tiff? -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 18 22:39:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91707 for opro ; Thu, 18 Mar 99 22:39:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921795482:20:26074:17; Thu, 18 Mar 99 22:18:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025866; 18 Mar 99 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA19510 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:03:13 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19501 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:02:56 GMT Received: from modem-108.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.236] helo=orchard-way) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10NktE-0003Zm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:03:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:55:17 +0000 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 Message-ID: <96456de448%Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue 16 Mar, Steve wrote: > > In article <87789@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > In brief Beebug are selling upgrades to 2.52. However it is scarcely > > > different to the 2.51 you can get off the web pages. > > > > I am at present using v2.50. > > > > I tried today to download the upgrade op246 off the website, unfortunately > > SparkFS gives me "an unidentified header error". Other archives have > > downloaded and un-zipped successfully. > > > > Has anyone downloaded it ok? What are the differences of V2.52 over V2.50? > > I'm afraid I can't give a technical explanation, but this does happen to me > from time to time. What I have found is to return the following day and > download again and the archive seems to be OK. I would love an explanation > though! > > Ros I can guess at the explanation. The first download fails in some way, but the cache server you are connecting through doesn't realise. Future attempts to reload get the cached, broken copy. After 24 hours, the cached copy is old enough that the cache server has flushed it, and a new copy gets loaded and cached. Loading with Netscape (no help to most of us I know) you would need to use shift- which forces the cache server to reload. The reload button simply reloads from the cache server. Is there a similar function in any Acorn browser? -- Alan Adams email: Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 01:25:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91708 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 01:25:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921797426:20:22672:16; Thu, 18 Mar 99 22:50:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103199; 18 Mar 99 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA19682 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:32:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19677 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:31:58 GMT Received: from [194.222.101.118] (helo=mackinlay.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10NlLL-000CGp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:32:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:31:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Colin Mackinlay Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <96456de448%Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: cmk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 17 Mar, Alan Adams wrote: > Loading with Netscape (no help to most of us I know) you would need to > use shift- which forces the cache server to reload. The reload > button simply reloads from the cache server. > > Is there a similar function in any Acorn browser? Yes. In Fresco the reload button does this for you. If I update my demon homepages and view them I get the cached version. CLicking on reload immediatel brings up the new one. Colin -- Colin Mackinlay -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 01:25:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91711 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 01:25:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921799505:10:22153:17; Thu, 18 Mar 99 23:25:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108008; 18 Mar 99 23:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA19880 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:07:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19875 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:07:16 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10NltV-0007j7-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:08:05 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:03:06 GMT Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:00:08 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <91691@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <91691@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > While printing I always had the colour-option active. Guess what > >happened when I printed grayscale? So the mask is "only" lost when > >printing in colour ?!? > > Yes, confirmed, with the level 2 PS driver, if I select colour, > masking fails to work. > > This is actually not so bad, because for printing separations, grey > scale mode is all you need. > > So major tip, if you want masking to work with PS, switch off colour. I really wish I'd known this a few weeks back. :( -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 01:25:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91710 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 01:25:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921799400:20:20131:15; Thu, 18 Mar 99 23:23:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020062; 18 Mar 99 23:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA19899 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:08:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA19889 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:08:29 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.100) [193.149.81.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Nlue-0004gk-00; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:09:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:11:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48e4f296d0owlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Printout not properly justified User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have just produced a 10Mb OvPro document (12 A4 sheets with greyscale photos) which has a 3 column layout, each column fully justified left & right. On screen, this works perfectly, but when I have printed it out on my Epson Stylus ColorIIs printer via Turodrivers, the righthand edge of each column of text is ragged. The lines are perhaps just a small fraction out of alignment, but never the less it is noticable and looks poor. Anyone encountered this before, or could suggest how to stop it happening again. Unfortunately I have had to go to print with this defect this time :-( -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: OwlArt@argonet.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 100 Skegby Road, | | | Kirkby-in-Ashfield, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | Nottingham. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | NG17 9FF. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 01:25:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91717 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 01:25:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921802658:10:28757:20; Fri, 19 Mar 99 00:17:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028305; 19 Mar 99 0:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA20145 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:03:50 GMT Received: from hil-img-6.compuserve.com (hil-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.177.136]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20140 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:03:37 GMT Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id TAA11818 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:04:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:04:01 -0500 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Re: Re[2]: Printing large pamphlets To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199903181904_MC2-6E87-EFAF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA20141 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Re Alan Gray's `Sticking them in a vice and painting glue on the back...' It works fine. I have been using PVA glue for years. But in my case I cut the pages, as in a paperback, so that I get a `wall' of cut sheets to spread the glue on. I do not use a vice. I just put the pages on the desk so that the spine is just over the edge, and lay a metal ruler along the top of the stack, again just short of what will become the spine, and pile some heavy books on, but with slight slope on them so that the weight is all on the ruler. Then I smear a thin layer of PVA over the spine. When that dries I put a second coat on. When that dries I glue a spine of thickish paper on, with enough margin to fold over the covers by 1 or 2cm. It is not the strongest binding on Planet E, but it works quite well enough. Sometimes I put cardboard covers on afterwards, to make a proper book. If you went extra strength in the bindy you could use gauze (a bandage, for example) or light cloth. Libaries have books on binding. -- Nobilangelo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobilangelo Ceramalus: Writer, journalist, desktop publisher, graphics-designer, webmaster, image-processor, cabinetmaker. +64 9 483-5428. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 02:40:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91743 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 02:40:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921810562:10:27134:20; Fri, 19 Mar 99 02:29:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027129; 19 Mar 99 2:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA20354 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:11:11 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20346 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:10:50 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10NolB-00021z-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:11:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 99 02:01:23 GMT Message-Id: <91738@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printout not properly justified X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have just produced a 10Mb OvPro document (12 A4 sheets with greyscale >photos) which has a 3 column layout, each column fully justified left & >right. On screen, this works perfectly, but when I have printed it out on >my Epson Stylus ColorIIs printer via Turodrivers, the righthand edge of >each column of text is ragged. I suspect we've been over this ground a few times in the maillist. As I recall Ray Dawson was the first to spot it. So if you look back in the archives you can see what conclusion was reached. A bit of invention; with Turbos the 'half toning' for text button controls which font manager they use. Might be that if you don't use CC's fast font manager it works properly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 02:40:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91744 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 02:40:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921810691:10:28323:15; Fri, 19 Mar 99 02:31:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100689; 19 Mar 99 2:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA20353 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:11:09 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20342 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:10:48 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Nol9-00021z-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:11:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 99 01:56:45 GMT Message-Id: <91736@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can you explain this further? Are you saying that using CFSI will >strip off a channel from a tiff? My experiments just now seem to indicate that it won't even load TIFF's with alpha channels in (at least those produced by Photodesk). As far as I know CFSI doesn't handle sprite masks, so it will strip the mask off a sprite if you process it. >I really wish I'd known this a few weeks back. :( No problem, just find a wormhole in the space time continuum and email yourself through it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 14:07:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91746 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 14:07:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921812504:20:18512:15; Fri, 19 Mar 99 03:01:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018154; 19 Mar 99 3:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA20607 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:42:54 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20602 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:42:43 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10NpG2-000463-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:43:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 99 02:35:45 GMT Message-Id: <91740@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Bar codes for the Netherlands... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've added a version of the Post Office bar code applet fine tuned to the Dutch system to the Beebug applets page. This is the URL; http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/applets/files/pobnl.zip ("Internet in overload shock horror...") David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 14:07:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91748 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 14:07:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921820891:20:11007:15; Fri, 19 Mar 99 05:21:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120807; 19 Mar 99 5:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA20756 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:02:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA20751 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:02:18 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.41) [193.149.84.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10NrR7-0000qU-00; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:03:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:14:41 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Re[2]: Printing large pamphlets Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 18 Mar 99 (12:01:35 +0000), alan.gray@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Hallo Roger, My apologies to the list: this was supposed to be a direct e-mail... But perhaps I'll try a sample with a B & Q hot-glue-gun. Can't be much worse than some paper-backs these days. -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 16:58:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91768 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 16:58:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921858803:10:25524:15; Fri, 19 Mar 99 15:53:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025308; 19 Mar 99 15:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA21520 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:12:51 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21515 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:12:37 GMT Received: from jlo22 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 10O0xr-0002QI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:13:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:13:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan Overett X-Sender: jlo22@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printout not properly justified In-Reply-To: <48e4f296d0owlart@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I have just produced a 10Mb OvPro document (12 A4 sheets with greyscale > photos) which has a 3 column layout, each column fully justified left & > right. On screen, this works perfectly, but when I have printed it out on > my Epson Stylus ColorIIs printer via Turodrivers, the righthand edge of > each column of text is ragged. I used to have this problem using Acorn printer drivers and an HP Deskjet when printing text which was fully justified and kerned - could try removing local effects and seeing whether the situation improves. Jonathan Overett -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 17:37:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91779 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 17:37:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921865139:20:06499:17; Fri, 19 Mar 99 17:38:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006047; 19 Mar 99 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA21860 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:09:39 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21842 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:08:08 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA15308 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:09:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199903191709.SAA15308@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 19 Mar 1999 09:01:55 GMT Subject: Re: Printout not properly justified MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >I have just produced a 10Mb OvPro document (12 A4 sheets with greyscale >photos) which has a 3 column layout, each column fully justified left & >right. On screen, this works perfectly, but when I have printed it out on >my Epson Stylus ColorIIs printer via Turodrivers, the righthand edge of >each column of text is ragged. The lines are perhaps just a small >fraction out of alignment, but never the less it is noticable and looks >poor. > >Anyone encountered this before, or could suggest how to stop it happening >again. Unfortunately I have had to go to print with this defect this time >:-( > It is a known problem with Turbo/LaserDirect drivers. I am not absolutely sure, but I think it was limited to the "Enhanced justification" feature of OP. I You were just proofing with the Stylus You can ignore the effect. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 19:23:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91780 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 19:23:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921865497:10:09541:16; Fri, 19 Mar 99 17:44:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009376; 19 Mar 99 17:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA21855 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:08:40 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21845 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:08:16 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA15305 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:09:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199903191709.SAA15305@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 19 Mar 1999 08:54:57 GMT Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >In message you wrote: > >> On Tue 16 Mar, Steve wrote: >> > In article <87789@pilling.demon.co.uk>, >> > David Pilling wrote: [snip] >Is there a similar function in any Acorn browser? > If there is a problem with the contents of a proxy, don't use it. Just tell !WebServe not to use a remote proxy (and to flush its own cache, he he). Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 19:23:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91781 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 19:23:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921865407:20:11183:15; Fri, 19 Mar 99 17:43:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011065; 19 Mar 99 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA21853 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:08:38 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21844 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:08:13 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA15316 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:09:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199903191709.SAA15316@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 19 Mar 1999 12:31:29 GMT Subject: Re: EPS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >No problem, just find a wormhole in the space time continuum and email >yourself through it. > Absolutely brill, he should check his MIME mappings though. Otherwise he might end up as "Data"... Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 19:23:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91785 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 19:23:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921870827:10:00394:15; Fri, 19 Mar 99 19:13:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000363; 19 Mar 99 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA22217 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:59:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA22212 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:59:08 GMT Received: from (194.69.104.43) [194.69.104.43] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10O4V5-0005iz-00; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:00:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:59:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48e55f617fowlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Printout not properly justified User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: <91738@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <91738@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I suspect we've been over this ground a few times in the maillist. > As I recall Ray Dawson was the first to spot it. So if you look > back in the archives you can see what conclusion was reached. Must have been before I joined. Where are the archives kept? > A bit of invention; with Turbos the 'half toning' for text button > controls which font manager they use. Might be that if you don't > use CC's fast font manager it works properly. I'll give it a shot and see what happens. Many thanks -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: OwlArt@argonet.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 100 Skegby Road, | | | Kirkby-in-Ashfield, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | Nottingham. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | NG17 9FF. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 19 21:55:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91802 for opro ; Fri, 19 Mar 99 21:55:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921879635:20:23292:23; Fri, 19 Mar 99 21:40:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023271; 19 Mar 99 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA22427 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:21:13 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22422 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:20:59 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10O6iO-0002fg-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:22:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 99 19:25:23 GMT Message-Id: <91786@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printout not properly justified X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Must have been before I joined. Where are the archives kept? www.beebug.com, there's also a day by day archive on the barnet ftp site, but again the link to that is from the maillist pages on the beebug site. The other comments are right, there's some sort of problem mixing tracking with justification or enhanced justification and auto kerning. It also worth noting that there was a similar problem with auto kern and PostScript, which was due to a bug, and has been fixed in 2.51. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 20 01:59:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91806 for opro ; Sat, 20 Mar 99 01:59:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921885747:20:29972:15; Fri, 19 Mar 99 23:22:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029921; 19 Mar 99 23:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA22615 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:13:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA22610 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:12:54 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.182) [194.69.106.182] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10O8Sg-0003e7-00; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:13:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:15:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48e576c493owlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Printout not properly justified User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: <91738@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <91738@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > A bit of invention; with Turbos the 'half toning' for text button > controls which font manager they use. Might be that if you don't > use CC's fast font manager it works properly. Tried this now, and oddly, some of my text doesn't print at all, other text (that not fully justified) prints happily! -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: OwlArt@argonet.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 100 Skegby Road, | | | Kirkby-in-Ashfield, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | Nottingham. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | NG17 9FF. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 20 14:28:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91821 for opro ; Sat, 20 Mar 99 14:28:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921901217:20:10026:15; Sat, 20 Mar 99 03:40:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009928; 20 Mar 99 3:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA23008 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:25:26 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA23003 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:25:08 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-28.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.88]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11099 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:24:50 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:18:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets(creep) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <91376@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 15 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > Finally yes in a booklet pages nearer the outside should be printed in > slightly diffent positions to those near the middle. Technical term > 'creep'. ISTR a big disucssion about it here, some months back, and I think > the pamphlet applet has a variable in it, to allow for this. Uh? Pamphlet applet? Do you mean !Imposit and 'Booklet'? I thought Pamphlet was one of the formats built into OP itself. But if it *has* got the capacity to include creep, that'd be fantastic. In the Booklet format it's a subtlety appreciated by connoisseurs & people in the trade, but in Pamphlet mode it'd be appreciated by everybody. If it isn't in Pamphlet, what chances that we might see it inserted sometime? If it is already, what was that variable then...? tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 20 14:28:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91820 for opro ; Sat, 20 Mar 99 14:28:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921896936:10:23923:21; Sat, 20 Mar 99 02:28:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023840; 20 Mar 99 2:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA22857 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 02:13:27 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22852 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 02:13:16 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10OBHH-0006Dq-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 02:14:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 99 02:05:22 GMT Message-Id: <91816@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printout not properly justified X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> A bit of invention; with Turbos the 'half toning' for text button >> controls which font manager they use. Might be that if you don't >> use CC's fast font manager it works properly. >Tried this now, and oddly, some of my text doesn't print at all, other >text (that not fully justified) prints happily! Yes, thats another well known problem, its the size of the text that does the damage, get over a certain size and it vanishes. It'd be interesting to have a grasp on which setting uses which font manager, and why this thing with the size goes on. But to a certain extent all this is for CC to fix, and of course they're not going to do that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 20 14:28:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91823 for opro ; Sat, 20 Mar 99 14:28:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921918991:10:16744:15; Sat, 20 Mar 99 08:36:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112865; 20 Mar 99 8:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA23252 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:27:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA23247 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:26:53 GMT Received: from (localhost) [193.149.78.83] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10OH6p-0000kq-00; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:27:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Carter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:56:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printout not properly justified Message-ID: <48e57a83fcfruit@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <91786@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <91786@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <91786@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Must have been before I joined. Where are the archives kept? > www.beebug.com Some of them seemed to be broken when I looked last week. Andy -- fruit@argonet.co.uk - http://www.argonet.co.uk/homepages/fruit/ See my web-site to subscribe to the RiscCAD mail-list. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 20 14:30:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91832 for opro ; Sat, 20 Mar 99 14:30:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921936390:10:04978:22; Sat, 20 Mar 99 13:26:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004827; 20 Mar 99 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA23541 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:16:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23536 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:15:58 GMT Received: from [158.152.202.190] (helo=awoods.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10OLch-000Gk6-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:17:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:51:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Allan Woods Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48e3446ff8delink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 15 Mar, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Here's a challenge for all Applet programmers: > > Could the Print Pamphlet option be extended, so that it 'pamphlets' > configurable chunks of pages? > > I'll try to explain what I mean: > Imagine a pamphlet of 40 pages of A4. When you fold this as required, you > will get a thick book of 80 pages. I overcome this problem by splitting the maaster into 4 A4 chunks and printing each one as normal. I know it is time consuming but it gets over the problem. -- Allan Woods, Greenock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 20 20:55:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91867 for opro ; Sat, 20 Mar 99 20:55:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921963451:20:09247:23; Sat, 20 Mar 99 20:57:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125528; 20 Mar 99 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA24150 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:45:24 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24142 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:45:03 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10OSdK-00044x-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:46:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 99 20:31:07 GMT Message-Id: <91857@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets(creep) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Uh? Pamphlet applet? Do you mean !Imposit and 'Booklet'? I thought Pamphlet >was one of the formats built into OP itself. But if it *has* got the capacity >to include creep, that'd be fantastic. In the Booklet format it's a subtlety >appreciated by connoisseurs & people in the trade, but in Pamphlet mode it'd >be appreciated by everybody. Mixed that up didn't I. The default formats like Pamphlet are in a script (not an applet), !OvnPro.Library.Imposition. Looking back, I added creep to the Booklet format, its called 'prbookletdelta' in that script (inside !Imposit). So should be an easy exercise to do the same to the Pamphlet script. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:29:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91874 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:29:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921963885:20:16782:16; Sat, 20 Mar 99 21:04:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103665; 20 Mar 99 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA24149 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:45:23 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24138 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:45:00 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10OSdJ-00044x-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:46:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 99 20:28:54 GMT Message-Id: <91855@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printout not properly justified X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Some of them seemed to be broken when I looked last week. As far as I know they are not broken. This sounds like the thread earlier on in the week "how come I get a damaged archive when 200 other people don't". I quite liked the explanation about a damaged copy being in a cache somewhere (turn off proxies). Although you'd hope things didn't work like that. But in short, if at first you don't succeed, try again. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:30:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91884 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:30:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 921964836:10:18639:15; Sat, 20 Mar 99 21:20:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101446; 20 Mar 99 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA24283 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:05:27 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA24277 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:05:14 GMT Received: (qmail 1466 invoked from network); 20 Mar 1999 21:10:28 -0000 Received: from 66-029.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.29) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 21:10:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:33:45 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Risc OS Email address Message-ID: <905ec5e548%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Lots of things come up in this list to do with Risc OS and especially the printer drivers. It would probably be useful at this point to direct problems with, for example, the printer drivers (not TurboDrivers), to the new Risc OS Ltd people so that they can apply the ideas to their wish list. Can anyone give a useful email address for this purpose? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:30:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91890 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:30:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922002635:10:03274:17; Sun, 21 Mar 99 07:50:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003096; 21 Mar 99 7:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA24897 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:31:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA24892 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:31:28 GMT Received: from [193.237.223.106] (helo=bigbo.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Ocj1-000PEE-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:32:47 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:30:10 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Thumbnails To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OP 2.51 RiscPC600 with SA Any suggestions as to how to make thumbnails print so that they are touching? At present they are appearing with gaps which seem to be printer specific: Kyocera FS-400 (using HP Laserjet driver) approx. 8mm gap in x-direction and 6.5mm gap in y-direction. Canon BJ230 approx. 5mm gap in x-direction and 4.5mm gap in y-direction. Epson Stylus Color 850 approx. 5.5mm gap in x-direction and 2.5mm gap in y-direction. The actual thumbnails are ticket blanks, 97mm by 68mm, to be printed eight-up on A4 sheets. John Bodiam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:31:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91898 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:31:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922020385:10:13734:16; Sun, 21 Mar 99 12:46:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013627; 21 Mar 99 12:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA25194 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:33:17 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25189 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:33:02 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id MAA02349 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:22:57 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA19896; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:49:07 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:29:35 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <48E132F1BC%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <90885@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <90885@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >>>> Font names should only appear on menus, everything else uses font id's. >> I'd question whether that last part is sensible. > Surely this is the correct use, though, e.g. to allow people to > have translations of font names on menus. It's not the presence on the menus that worries me... I have here, in 24 assorted weights, widths, and slants, a font which is really named, no doubt with concern not only for the copyright police but also for political correctness, 'Bookperson'. Being not even slightly PC I far prefer the traditional 'Bookman', so that's how I refer to it: it's installed on *my* computer, so it's *my* choice. Now Acorn, in their wisdom, have made it very simple for me to exercise that choice: a few minutes editing a Messages1 file (Darren Salt's FontMsgs makes it even easier), and since I'm not only PI (politically incorrect), but bone idle too, that's how I decided to do it. I could have sat here with FontEd, loaded 24 Intmetrics file, and another 24 Outlines files, changed all the names therein, and OPro would've been none the wiser, but why should I waste my time jumping through such hoops? > (someone is now going to tell me that font names are *never* translated, > i.e. its Helvetica not Swiss). I believe it should be whatever the user says it is. ;-) > Anyway I'm not changing it. Somehow I didn't think you would, but I was interested in the views of the world at large. Sadly, they seem to be asleep. ;-) Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:31:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91902 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:31:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922058815:20:23606:37; Sun, 21 Mar 99 23:26:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023571; 21 Mar 99 23:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA26079 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:17:40 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA26073 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:17:26 GMT Received: from modem-97.flonase.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.67.225] helo=wallace) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10OrUb-0004wO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:18:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000701be73f1$2beb3520$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets(creep) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:18:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On Sat 20 Mar, David Pilling wrote: >> Looking back, I added creep to the Booklet format, its called >> 'prbookletdelta' in that script (inside !Imposit). >> >> So should be an easy exercise to do the same to the Pamphlet script. > >Ha ha ha. Yeah sure. Good one, David ;-) Easy. How about... I'll show you >mine after you show me yours? > >cheers: tim > >good to know it is easy, but. I've spent a few minutes doing the necessary and put a copy on my website, on the IT page. It seems to work on the quick pamphlet test I gave it, but no promises. Let me know how you get on... Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Proprietor, Pinxit Design ~ for Internet and print mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:31:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91908 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:31:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922104791:20:03609:17; Mon, 22 Mar 99 12:13:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003660; 22 Mar 99 12:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA27416 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:35:38 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA27397 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:35:20 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.157) [193.149.74.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10P2zN-0007Za-00; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:35:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard S.Vardy) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:24:03 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: EPS Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 18 Mar 99 (18:59:15), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >This is actually not so bad, because for printing separations, grey >scale mode is all you need. > > It IS bad if your printing to a colour laser printer (:< -- -- fraser.kemp.mp Member of Parliament for Houghton & Washington East. Tyne & Wear, United Kingdom. Telephone +44 (0)191 385 7825 Fax +44 (0)191 385 4785 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:31:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91920 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:31:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922053243:10:06109:20; Sun, 21 Mar 99 21:54:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114128; 21 Mar 99 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA25861 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:28:53 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25856 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:28:38 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-27.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.87]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13691 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:28:38 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:50:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets(creep) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <91857@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 20 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > Looking back, I added creep to the Booklet format, its called > 'prbookletdelta' in that script (inside !Imposit). > > So should be an easy exercise to do the same to the Pamphlet script. Ha ha ha. Yeah sure. Good one, David ;-) Easy. How about... I'll show you mine after you show me yours? cheers: tim good to know it is easy, but. -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:32:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91922 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:32:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922061576:10:14530:16; Mon, 22 Mar 99 00:12:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120866; 22 Mar 99 0:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA26497 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:03:19 GMT Received: from mail-relay.power.net.uk (mail-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26492 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:03:04 GMT Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust107.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.107]) by mail-relay.power.net.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA02479 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:00:16 GMT Received: from catchline (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:02:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:02:11 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets(creep) Message-ID: <34bd82e648%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tim King wrote: > On Sat 20 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > Looking back, I added creep to the Booklet format, its called > > 'prbookletdelta' in that script (inside !Imposit). > > > > So should be an easy exercise to do the same to the Pamphlet script. > > Ha ha ha. Yeah sure. Good one, David ;-) Easy. How about... I'll show you > mine after you show me yours? > > cheers: tim > > good to know it is easy, but. It would be great to be able to use creep settings (and perhaps more so in pamphlet than booklet). Is there any way of bringing the creep setting out to the print setup window: so you could enter it in mm or whatever? It would then be possible to play around with settings for a particular job/paper stock. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:32:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91928 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:32:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922100101:10:20102:16; Mon, 22 Mar 99 10:55:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120353; 22 Mar 99 10:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA27025 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:14:20 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27020 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:14:09 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:13:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:11:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Thumbnails Message-ID: <48e6ba820eC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Bodiam wrote: > OP 2.51 > RiscPC600 with SA > Any suggestions as to how to make thumbnails print so that they are > touching? At present they are appearing with gaps which seem to be > printer specific: > Kyocera FS-400 (using HP Laserjet driver) approx. 8mm gap in x-direction > and 6.5mm gap in y-direction. > Canon BJ230 approx. 5mm gap in x-direction and 4.5mm gap in y-direction. > Epson Stylus Color 850 approx. 5.5mm gap in x-direction and 2.5mm gap in > y-direction. > The actual thumbnails are ticket blanks, 97mm by 68mm, to be printed > eight-up on A4 sheets. It may be to do with the different margin settings for each printer driver. Presumably - to get the thumbnails to touch, you need the original frames to go to the edge of the full scale page. Then they need to be scaled so that they do not overlap the actual printer margins when in thumbnail format. Playing with the x and y positions on the page may also be necessary. Experimentation is probably required. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:33:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91947 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:33:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922102587:10:10707:17; Mon, 22 Mar 99 11:36:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107873; 22 Mar 99 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA27147 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:01:37 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA27142 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:01:26 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.157) [193.149.74.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10P2SY-00074H-00; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:01:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard S.Vardy) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:32:25 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: EPS Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 17 Mar 99 (18:07:35), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >Interestingly enough a 24bpp sprite format is defined in the RISC OS >PRM's, but it is not supported by RISC OS, and (thank goodness) I've >yet to >encounter one. > > Just checked the !Twain driver and the options are BW, grey (8bpp), Colour (8bpp) and Colour (24bpp). Is this unusual? -- -- fraser.kemp.mp Member of Parliament for Houghton & Washington East. Tyne & Wear, United Kingdom. Telephone +44 (0)191 385 7825 Fax +44 (0)191 385 4785 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 17:34:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA91973 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:34:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922106172:10:17935:19; Mon, 22 Mar 99 12:36:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017390; 22 Mar 99 12:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA27567 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:03:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27562 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:03:12 GMT Received: from [193.237.223.106] (helo=bigbo.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10P3QL-00090h-0B; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:03:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:00:12 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Chris Johnson In-Reply-To: <48e6ba820eC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 22 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > John Bodiam wrote: > > OP 2.51 > > > RiscPC600 with SA > > > Any suggestions as to how to make thumbnails print so that they are > > touching? At present they are appearing with gaps which seem to be > > printer specific: > > > Kyocera FS-400 (using HP Laserjet driver) approx. 8mm gap in x-direction > > and 6.5mm gap in y-direction. > > > Canon BJ230 approx. 5mm gap in x-direction and 4.5mm gap in y-direction. > > > Epson Stylus Color 850 approx. 5.5mm gap in x-direction and 2.5mm gap in > > y-direction. > > > The actual thumbnails are ticket blanks, 97mm by 68mm, to be printed > > eight-up on A4 sheets. > > It may be to do with the different margin settings for each printer > driver. Presumably - to get the thumbnails to touch, you need the original > frames to go to the edge of the full scale page. Then they need to be > scaled so that they do not overlap the actual printer margins when in > thumbnail format. Playing with the x and y positions on the page may also > be necessary. Experimentation is probably required. > > Chris > Thanks In fact he idea is to produce a block of tickets within the printer margins, two wide by four deep, which may be separated by single knife cuts. That is, there should be no gaps between the tickets. The chosen size is such that the block will be 194mm x 272mm i.e. well within the printable area on any of my printers. I should say that I used to do this in Impression Publisher without special thought. I could still use IP, of course, but I have transfered my new-work activities to OP and this represents an unexpected challenge. John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 19:37:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92035 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 19:37:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922131534:10:03430:16; Mon, 22 Mar 99 19:38:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108392; 22 Mar 99 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA28601 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:21:26 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA28590 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:21:04 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10PAG9-0000Wg-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:21:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:57:12 GMT Message-Id: <91982@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just checked the !Twain driver and the options are BW, grey (8bpp), Colour >(8bpp) and Colour (24bpp). Is this unusual? No, that is standard. If you scan using David Pilling's scanning software then the program holds the scan inernally as 24bpp, if you save it as a sprite it automatically converts it to 32bpp format. You might save it as a TIFF in which case just 24bpp are saved. Until 24bpp sprites are supported by RISC OS (which I doubt they ever will be), I don't think anyone needs such a thing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 21:52:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92036 for opro ; Mon, 22 Mar 99 21:52:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922132653:20:26243:20; Mon, 22 Mar 99 19:57:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026038; 22 Mar 99 19:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA28602 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:21:28 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA28594 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:21:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10PAG6-0000Wg-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:21:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:51:27 GMT Message-Id: <91980@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thumbnails X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Any suggestions as to how to make thumbnails print so that they are touching? >At present they are appearing with gaps which seem to be printer specific: The script which sets up the 'tumbnails' print format, is designed to spread out the thumbnails so that they fill up the available area on the printer. The crude fix is to take the file !OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Thumbnail Find this bit and add the arrowed lines prthumbxgap=scale(prthumbxgap,0x10000,paperxscale()); prthumbxgap=0; // <---------------- prthumbygap=paperh-prthumby*sh; if(prthumbygap<0) prthumbygap=0; prthumbygap/=prthumby; prthumbygap=scale(prthumbygap,0x10000,paperyscale()); prthumbwriteset(set); prthumbygap=0; // <----------------- David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 23 18:36:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92091 for opro ; Tue, 23 Mar 99 18:36:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922206898:20:07970:18; Tue, 23 Mar 99 16:34:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007806; 23 Mar 99 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA30091 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:32:24 GMT Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA30086 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:32:10 GMT Received: from mistral.co.uk (d1-s5-37-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.37]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:06:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 22 Mar, John Bodiam wrote: > On Mon 22 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote: > > In fact he idea is to produce a block of tickets within the printer margins, > two wide by four deep, which may be separated by single knife cuts. > That is, there should be no gaps between the tickets. > The chosen size is such that the block will be 194mm x 272mm i.e. well > within the printable area on any of my printers. > I do this kind of thing reglarly, printing out to my Caligraph. This is fairly accurate, but I usually ensure that graphics on the ticket do not go too near the edge. Then any sligh innacuracies don't matter. -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 23 18:36:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92094 for opro ; Tue, 23 Mar 99 18:36:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922210599:20:25935:16; Tue, 23 Mar 99 17:36:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025889; 23 Mar 99 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA30311 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:02:14 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA30306 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:02:00 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA14975 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:02:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199903231702.SAA14975@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 23 Mar 1999 11:18:27 GMT Subject: Re: Thumbnails MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: >On Mon 22 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote: >> In article , >> John Bodiam wrote: >> > OP 2.51 >> >> > RiscPC600 with SA >> >> > Any suggestions as to how to make thumbnails print so that they are >> > touching? At present they are appearing with gaps which seem to be >> > printer specific: >> >> > Kyocera FS-400 (using HP Laserjet driver) approx. 8mm gap in x-direction >> > and 6.5mm gap in y-direction. >> >> > Canon BJ230 approx. 5mm gap in x-direction and 4.5mm gap in y-direction. >> >> > Epson Stylus Color 850 approx. 5.5mm gap in x-direction and 2.5mm gap in >> > y-direction. >> >> > The actual thumbnails are ticket blanks, 97mm by 68mm, to be printed >> > eight-up on A4 sheets. >> >> It may be to do with the different margin settings for each printer >> driver. Presumably - to get the thumbnails to touch, you need the original >> frames to go to the edge of the full scale page. Then they need to be >> scaled so that they do not overlap the actual printer margins when in >> thumbnail format. Playing with the x and y positions on the page may also >> be necessary. Experimentation is probably required. What's wrong with the offsets between the thumbs differing? You are probably printing thumbnails with the 'Print area' option which explicitly requires the thumbs to be spread across the available space. Try to use 'User' with the offsets set to 0 and You will get a block of a x b thumbs. This will have to be positioned on the page; ideally 'Centered'. There would be no twiddling with gaps if You would size the master page according to Your intentions. You want 3 x 7 f.i.: make them 210mm/3 wide and 297mm/7 tall. No gaps and offsets to consider. Leaves You just to remember the printers margins when designing the content of the thumbs. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 23 21:26:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92100 for opro ; Tue, 23 Mar 99 21:26:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922216478:10:21130:24; Tue, 23 Mar 99 19:14:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113677; 23 Mar 99 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA30564 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:55:16 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA30559 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:55:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10PWKk-00040N-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:55:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 99 18:39:55 GMT Message-Id: <92096@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thumbnails X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Try to use 'User' with the offsets set to 0 and You will get a block of a x >b thumbs. This will have to be positioned on the page; ideally 'Centered'. This is a much better reply than mine, disregard what I said, it's completely the wrong approach... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 23 21:26:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92103 for opro ; Tue, 23 Mar 99 21:26:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922218556:10:05516:18; Tue, 23 Mar 99 19:49:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115472; 23 Mar 99 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA30715 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:38:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA30710 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:38:05 GMT Received: from [193.237.223.106] (helo=bigbo.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10PX0N-00043F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:38:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:08:34 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Thumbnails solutions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi All Thanks for the help. David, thrice blessed, Pilling posted the solution which I am now using. You may well have seen it, but it did contain a slight transposition error (not that I can manage these scripts, simply when it only worked in the x direction there had to be a fairly obvious change that could be done by trial and error without understanding.) The posted solution is:- The script which sets up the 'tumbnails' print format, is designed to spread out the thumbnails so that they fill up the available area on the printer. The crude fix is to take the file !OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Thumbnail Find this bit and add the arrowed lines prthumbxgap=scale(prthumbxgap,0x10000,paperxscale()); prthumbxgap=0; // <---------------- prthumbygap=paperh-prthumby*sh; if(prthumbygap<0) prthumbygap=0; prthumbygap/=prthumby; prthumbygap=scale(prthumbygap,0x10000,paperyscale()); prthumbwriteset(set); prthumbygap=0; // <----------------- David Pilling The solution that works has the last four lines thus - prthumbygap=scale(prthumbygap,0x10000,paperyscale()); prthumbygap=0; prthumbwriteset(set); Incidently, in case you haven't experienced it before, it is not possible to put a bordered frame along the exact edges of a page (to provide cutting guidelines). The exact position close to the page boundary has to be found by trial and error. John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 23 23:10:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92118 for opro ; Tue, 23 Mar 99 23:10:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922227002:20:18336:16; Tue, 23 Mar 99 22:10:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129089; 23 Mar 99 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA30891 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:44:24 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA30886 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:44:10 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-12.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.72]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA29641 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:43:12 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:44:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Printing large pamphlets(creep) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <000701be73f1$2beb3520$ab356d01@wallace> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 21 Mar, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > I've spent a few minutes doing the necessary and put a copy on my website, > on the IT page. It seems to work on the quick pamphlet test I gave it, but > no promises. Let me know how you get on... Thanks Nick. That's brilliant. Downloading now. While we're talking imposition... did you say a while back that you'd done a few other formats? Tell me more. thanks again: tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 25 18:27:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92247 for opro ; Thu, 25 Mar 99 18:27:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922383187:10:00531:21; Thu, 25 Mar 99 17:33:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124085; 25 Mar 99 17:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00174 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:05:04 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00169 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:04:43 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA01437 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:05:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199903251705.SAA01437@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 25 Mar 1999 16:16:04 GMT Subject: Re: Thumbnails solutions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message You wrote: [snip] > Incidently, in case you haven't experienced it before, it is > not possible to put a bordered frame along the exact edges > of a page (to provide cutting guidelines). The exact position > close to the page boundary has to be found by trial and error. I'd expect the following to work: Subtract 2 * (line width of border) from width and heigth of the frame and center it on the page. Guess You will have to use massive amounts of zoom to do it... Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 25 21:06:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92257 for opro ; Thu, 25 Mar 99 21:06:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922391869:20:06847:16; Thu, 25 Mar 99 19:57:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127000; 25 Mar 99 19:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00378 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:42:54 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00373 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:42:41 GMT Received: from [193.237.223.106] (helo=bigbo.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10QG2F-0004jV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:43:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:40:47 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Thumbnails solutions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199903251705.SAA01437@linteuto.teuto.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 25 Mar, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message You wrote: > [snip] > > Incidently, in case you haven't experienced it before, it is > > not possible to put a bordered frame along the exact edges > > of a page (to provide cutting guidelines). The exact position > > close to the page boundary has to be found by trial and error. > > I'd expect the following to work: > Subtract 2 * (line width of border) from width and heigth > of the frame and center it on the page. Guess You will have to > use massive amounts of zoom to do it... > > Kind regards > Martin Vethake > Uffenkamp Computer Systeme > Hi, Martin, Sorry, but it doesn't work. As I said, trial and error is the only solution. Incidently,it was quite horrific in Impression Publisher - it was incredibly dificult to print the left border of a bordered frame close to the page edge. best wishes john -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 26 00:53:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92267 for opro ; Fri, 26 Mar 99 00:53:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922401052:20:11506:18; Thu, 25 Mar 99 22:30:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108525; 25 Mar 99 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA00623 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:06:00 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00618 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:05:48 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10QIGp-0004oY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:06:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 99 21:09:46 GMT Message-Id: <92260@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thumbnails solutions X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Incidently, in case you haven't experienced it before, it is > not possible to put a bordered frame along the exact edges > of a page (to provide cutting guidelines). The exact position > close to the page boundary has to be found by trial and error. I'm not enirely clear what the problem is here. If you're trying to print along the edges of the paper, then you're probably doomed by either the printer driver margins (which you can change and view on screen in OPro) OR by the printer hardware. If only because on simple printers the paper position can move horizontally. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 26 17:24:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92298 for opro ; Fri, 26 Mar 99 17:24:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922469216:20:00446:16; Fri, 26 Mar 99 17:26:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000341; 26 Mar 99 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA01837 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:01:50 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01828 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:01:27 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA23295 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:02:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199903261702.SAA23295@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 26 Mar 1999 09:43:57 GMT Subject: Re: Thumbnails solutions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >On Thu 25 Mar, Martin Vethake wrote: >> In message You wrote: [SNIP] BTW, having just posted this to the archive-online list I just wanted to make sure ovationpro is also aware. Acorns paper-size definition for PoScript A4 (Generic PS and Paper size) are wrong in claiming A4 to be 209.9mm wide. This should obviously read 210mm. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 26 18:51:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92302 for opro ; Fri, 26 Mar 99 18:51:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922471528:20:18656:18; Fri, 26 Mar 99 18:05:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127466; 26 Mar 99 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA01836 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:01:50 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01825 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:01:25 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA23292 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:02:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199903261702.SAA23292@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 26 Mar 1999 09:39:34 GMT Subject: Re: Thumbnails solutions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >On Thu 25 Mar, Martin Vethake wrote: >> In message You wrote: [snip] >Sorry, but it doesn't work. As I said, trial and error is the only solution. > Just tried it using PoScript L1 and Ghostscript. It works, but the line widths are different even at 600dpi. This I guess happens because using mm we're way-off the printer's grid (which is in inches). IMHO this is the main problem, if You want anything close to pixel-perfect output there is no choice but using inches. You will also want to build the line widths, offsets etc. from multiples of the printers resolution. All in all I just prefer to juggle with printer-pixels and a calculator instead of trial-and-error. >Incidently,it was quite horrific in Impression Publisher - it was incredibly >dificult to print the left border of a bordered frame close to the page edge. > Yes, printing right up to the papers edge was not an option then. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 26 18:52:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92320 for opro ; Fri, 26 Mar 99 18:52:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922474288:10:13882:17; Fri, 26 Mar 99 18:51:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013382; 26 Mar 99 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02106 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:34:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02101 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:34:07 GMT Received: from [193.237.223.106] (helo=bigbo.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10QbRi-0001ut-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:35:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:23:17 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Thumbnails solutions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <92260@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 25 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > > Incidently, in case you haven't experienced it before, it is > > not possible to put a bordered frame along the exact edges > > of a page (to provide cutting guidelines). The exact position > > close to the page boundary has to be found by trial and error. > > > I'm not enirely clear what the problem is here. If you're trying to > print along the edges of the paper, then you're probably doomed > by either the printer driver margins (which you can change > and view on screen in OPro) OR by the printer hardware. > > If only because on simple printers the paper position can move horizontally. > > > > David Pilling > Sorry, probably mis-used the word page: In my case the OP page size is 97mm x 68 mm which is the thumbnail that I want to print eight to a sheet (of paper). The original problem was how to get them to touch, within the printable area. This is now solved. To provide cutting guides, a border around the OP page is needed. I have never found it possible to produce borders on the OP page which will be printed without a gap (allbeit small) between touching pages in the printout. i.e. make the margins around the frame on the master page so small that a border will fill the resultant gap between it and the edge of the OP page. (As I said, the position was much worse when I did this with IP, though the 'touching' thumbnails is the default situation with that package - in fact with IP it was pretty well impossible to print the left hand edge of a bordered frame when it was anywhere near the edge of the page. One had to resort to putting a narrow bordered frame on the left, so that there was a RIGHT edge to print). John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 29 19:28:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92391 for opro ; Mon, 29 Mar 99 19:28:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922660541:10:00561:16; Sun, 28 Mar 99 22:35:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106410; 28 Mar 99 22:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA04589 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:16:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04584 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:16:21 +0100 Received: from [194.222.101.118] (helo=mackinlay.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10RNsH-000MK8-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:17:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:16:18 +0100 (BST) From: Colin Mackinlay Subject: RTF Export? To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: cmk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Would some kind soul please tell me how to export text from OPro as RTF? There used to be various Trans... files/apps in the directories of opro but they seem to have gone - incorporated in the program? IIRC they were fro import rather than export anyway. TIA Colin -- Colin Mackinlay -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 29 19:29:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92394 for opro ; Mon, 29 Mar 99 19:29:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922692414:10:19234:22; Mon, 29 Mar 99 07:26:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019218; 29 Mar 99 7:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA05468 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:09:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA05463 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:08:53 +0100 Received: from (193.149.75.71) [193.149.75.71] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10RWAK-0000AX-00; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:08:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 Mar 99 (08:08:10 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Help with Scanner Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Now I'm really confused! Last night the situation was as described below. However, I've switched everything on this morning and now the scanner works! (I had accidentally left the scanner switched on but it seems to go into standby mode if left alone for a while). Can anyone suggest what might be going on as I need it to be reliable! On Sun 28 Mar 99 (20:50:33 +0100), robh@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Sorry, I know this is slightly off topic but it seem like the best >place to ask. > >I've just started having trouble with my scanner. It is a Mustek >ScanExpress 12000SP connected to a Powertec SCSI II card. I'm using >David Pilling's scanning software and the appropriate Twain driver. It had been working fine >but I've just attempted to use it again and I'm getting the following >error message from David Pilling's scanning software as soon as I try to Preview or Scan: > >Internal error, no stack for trap handler: >Divide by zero, pc=000679C0 : registers at 000BC53C > >I've tried both David Pilling's scanning software 1.10 and 1.12 with the same result. I've >also reloaded David Pilling's scanning software and the Twain driver from the original disks. > >The only thing I've done recently that is in any way related is to >begin to install Textbridge on my PC card (I've had to stop as I ran >out of space for the PC Twain drivers in my PC partition) but surely >this could not cause the >problem! > >I'm now baffled! Can anyone suggest anything to try?- -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 29 22:34:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92461 for opro ; Mon, 29 Mar 99 22:34:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922743054:20:20738:16; Mon, 29 Mar 99 21:30:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129336; 29 Mar 99 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA06335 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:16:17 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06327 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:15:52 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10RjO7-0001gl-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:16:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 99 21:59:30 GMT Message-Id: <92452@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help with Scanner X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've just started having trouble with my scanner. It is a Mustek >Internal error, no stack for trap handler: >Divide by zero, pc=000679C0 : registers at 000BC53C > In general this happens when something upsets the SCSI connection to the scanner. As a result when TWAIN interrogates the scanner instead of the correct value coming back, zero is returned hence the crash. You might find that on *devices the scanner has vanished. This isn't necessarily the explanation, but 9/10 times when someone gets divide by zero this is what has happend. Usually its because the scanner is not compatible with the SCSI card, obviously that can't be the case here because it has worked. One last point, in case of intermittent SCSI results, give the card a wiggle, it can work wonders. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 29 22:34:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92462 for opro ; Mon, 29 Mar 99 22:34:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922743073:20:21202:29; Mon, 29 Mar 99 21:31:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021131; 29 Mar 99 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA06333 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:16:07 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06323 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:15:50 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10RjO5-0001gl-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:16:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 99 21:59:23 GMT Message-Id: <92450@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF Export? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would some kind soul please tell me how to export text from OPro as RTF? I don't think it can be done. There's no built in mechanism. Someone might have something like OPro -> HTML -> RTF. >There used to be various Trans... files/apps in the directories of opro >but they seem to have gone - incorporated in the program? IIRC they >were fro import rather than export anyway. There's been no change here. The RTF transloader still exists as a separate program, but as you say, it is a loader and not a saver. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 30 20:33:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92503 for opro ; Tue, 30 Mar 99 20:33:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922815256:20:14057:21; Tue, 30 Mar 99 17:34:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013713; 30 Mar 99 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA07663 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:38:08 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07658 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:37:53 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-14.access.ch [195.112.73.206]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA16759 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:38:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:33:02 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Help with Scanner To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <92452@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 29 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I've just started having trouble with my scanner. It is a Mustek > >Internal error, no stack for trap handler: > >Divide by zero, pc=000679C0 : registers at 000BC53C > > > > In general this happens when something upsets the SCSI connection > to the scanner. As a result when TWAIN interrogates the scanner > instead of the correct value coming back, zero is returned > hence the crash. > > You might find that on *devices the scanner has vanished. > > This isn't necessarily the explanation, but 9/10 times when > someone gets divide by zero this is what has happend. Usually > its because the scanner is not compatible with the SCSI card, > obviously that can't be the case here because it has worked. > > One last point, in case of intermittent SCSI results, give the card a wiggle, > it can work wonders. Not only the card's connection needs checking. Check the connectors of your peripherals. A few days ago I was informed that the 50-way SCSI connectors are known to break down. Attaching the cable results in poor connections giving the same error message or '....... not seen' or something similar. Check whether the in plastic embedded contacts are still firmly in place within the metal housing of the connector. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 31 13:57:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92541 for opro ; Wed, 31 Mar 99 13:57:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922878619:10:20863:18; Wed, 31 Mar 99 11:10:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020867; 31 Mar 99 11:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA08415 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:39:56 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08410 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:39:41 +0100 Received: from [212.126.145.90] (helo=dawson) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10SIPs-000147-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:40:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:39:18 +0100 Subject: "Official" version 2.52 Message-ID: <48eb5f97b2rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just received a flyer from Beebug (a snail mail spam) telling me that version 2.52 that they are flogging is now the official version and that versions we are getting from the web site are unofficial. Now presumably they are not offering anything extra in 2.52 over 2.51, or we would have heard about it from David, but will any future enhancements be posted on the web site as 'unofficial' upgrades which will work on our current 2.46, or do we have to fork out for an (unwanted) upgrade which does nothing but line the bastards greasy pockets? Will there be any further enhancements to OP? Is it just a sneaky way of grabbing a few extra quid from Acorn users before Beebug finally shut the doors on Risc OS? How much of it does David Pilling - the only one doing any work - get? Answers on the back of a 13.95 cheque please. Cheers, Ray D -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 31 15:21:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA92561 for opro ; Wed, 31 Mar 99 15:21:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 922889115:20:05351:18; Wed, 31 Mar 99 14:05:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111820; 31 Mar 99 14:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08694 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:33:34 +0100 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08689 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:33:19 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10SL7t-0005E0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:33:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 99 14:06:39 GMT Message-Id: <92558@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Official" version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Now presumably they are not offering anything extra in 2.52 over 2.51, or >we would have heard about it from David, but will any future enhancements >be posted on the web site as 'unofficial' upgrades which will work on our >current 2.46 I guess we've gone over all this here before. I will try to post upgrades for 2.46 and 2.52, but clearly they (we?) do have the means to force you to buy the 2.52 upgrade (by only posting upgrades from 2.52). >Will there be any further enhancements to OP? In short, unlikely if things remain exactly as they are. However there's a long answer involving speculating on what may be in the future. I have fixed a few more bugs and if anything urgent like needing changes for RISC OS 4, or support for comes up, I'd expect to do them. But for now the situation of working full time on new features and bug fixes has gone. >How much of it does David Pilling - the only one doing any work - get? (and I didn't know this when I last said anything) ukp 2.79 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message