From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:37:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88398 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:37:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917735094:20:11894:17; Sat, 30 Jan 99 22:24:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011681; 30 Jan 99 22:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA10659 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:05:11 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10654 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:04:58 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-104.access.ch [195.112.69.232]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id XAA13903 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:06:11 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:03:59 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Ctrl X wierdo To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 27 Jan, Ovation Pro wrote: > I have had some strange experiences with ctrl keys. I don't think > OP is to blame though. We have a networked version and I have > noticed on one RPC, ctrl keys do not always work, but all the functions > work from the menus. On other RPCs there is no problem, so maybe > it is due an applet or other software interaction. This problem does not only exist with OPro. I've had the same experience with Ovation 1.42 and Draw. CFS and Ovation also show a similar problem. I am not a programming expert but it seems some programs demand priority over certain use of keys. The problem can possibly only be solved if all programmers do some brain storming together. A similar problem is that DrawPlus claims Draw files if DrawPlus has been seen by the Filer. Similar problems exist at times with StrongED. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:37:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88402 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:37:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917778379:20:27302:15; Sun, 31 Jan 99 10:26:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117957; 31 Jan 99 10:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11302 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:13:32 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA11297 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:13:15 GMT Received: (qmail 25579 invoked from network); 31 Jan 1999 10:14:33 -0000 Received: from 66-179.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.179) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 1999 10:14:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:40:50 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Additional alignment features Message-ID: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've been trying to create a diary using OvationPro, and I've generated long lists of months and dates which flow into linked frames on a double page layout. The problem is that I don't want to go through and align all the months with left align on left pages and right align on right pages. I wonder does anybody know of a way of implimenting 'Outside' and 'Inside' alignment? There are many other uses I could think to put this to. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:38:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88405 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:38:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917779256:20:05262:23; Sun, 31 Jan 99 10:40:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005326; 31 Jan 99 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11391 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:31:14 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11386 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:31:01 GMT Received: from [158.152.60.112] (helo=narrator.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 106uAt-0004uG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:32:21 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:18:22 GMT Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:18:03 +0000 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Thesaurus Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Could someone please try typing 'fire' into the OvPro thesaurus. [snip] I did and it worked fine. -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC OS 3.6 | neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| LONDON SW16 | 16Mb -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:38:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88408 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:38:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917784221:20:26828:15; Sun, 31 Jan 99 12:03:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026587; 31 Jan 99 12:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA11613 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:52:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA11608 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:52:30 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.49) [193.149.71.49] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 106vRn-0004Hb-00; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:53:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and Print) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:52:41 +0000 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: HTMLPro v1.201 and new Website Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I shall be posting the original files onto the website. These files are the ones that were converted using HTMLPro and are now the website. By looking at them, you can all make you own opinion of how accurately they have been reproduced. Benji Levens -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:38:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88414 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:38:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917739938:10:12105:15; Sat, 30 Jan 99 23:45:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1011690; 30 Jan 99 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA10882 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:26:58 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10877 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:26:44 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 106jnw-0001jo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:27:58 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:25:26 GMT Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:25:19 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Message-ID: <3f91bfcc48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <65927ecc48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <65927ecc48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> you wrote: > In message > Rene Turner wrote: > > > On Sat 30 Jan, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > On Thu 28 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? > > > > > > > > > > > > I used to have 21. The times they are a changin' > > > > > > Let's hope, with the recent announcement about RiscOS Ltd, that the > > > > > > figure rises. > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure you havn't included me - so it must be 10! > > > > > -- > > > > > from David Broster > > > > > > > > Sorry, I missed you. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Alan Muscat > > > > email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. > > > > > > Hello! can you see my hand too? > > > > > > --> Choose Acorn - 11 users can't all be wrong > > > > > > :-) > > > Ian P. > > > > Me too, me too, me too, ok better add me to the list too > > > > --> Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong > > > > Umm almost back to the 13 users now... > To make things nice: > > Me too, me too, me too, ok better add me to the list too > > --> Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong > > hehehehehe > -- X X | Steven M. Ottens > X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ > X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" > Talk about having your arm twisted up your back. OK. OK. ;) -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:39:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88432 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:39:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917888382:20:17932:40; Mon, 01 Feb 99 16:59:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123165; 1 Feb 99 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13839 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:26:11 GMT Received: from itcentre.guernsey.net ([195.226.133.50] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13834 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:25:54 GMT Received: from riscpcsa.itcentre (riscpcsa [1.104.155.24]) by itcentre.guernsey.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12896 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:21:30 GMT Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:26:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "GuernseyITCentre(Site)" Subject: importing RTF or from Fireworkz pro To: User mailings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Guernsey IT Centre, Guernsey, GY7 9LA, FAX (+44) 0148166352 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am trying to import files I creating in Fireworkz pro if I use rtf all my lines are on top of each other cos I used Ctrl-Return (new line not new para) like shift-return? in Ov Pro? Anyone trod this path before? Got any bright ideas beside keep using Fireworkz Thanks Victor -- V. Lane IT Support Teacher Guernsey IT Centre, Guernsey, GY7 9LA, 49 30N 2 37W email:- vlane@itcentre.guernsey.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:39:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88437 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:39:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917802047:10:28946:15; Sun, 31 Jan 99 17:00:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028759; 31 Jan 99 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12285 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:50:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA12280 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:49:54 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.186) [193.149.80.186] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10705b-0001mJ-00; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:51:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:51:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cd1f57b3owlart@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Interlock Border In-Reply-To: <88276@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <88276@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > It's a slip up. I was once working on implementing Impression style > borders, and I left that file there. AH, right. I'll delete it then. > >My version of OvationPro in 1.52, but it was put together from 2 sets > >of discs, since Beebug sent me a corrupt disc 2, and then sent me a > >filesizes so I can check I have the correct files in place? > I'd be inclined to say if it works, its OK. The 2.51 patch on > www.beebug.com contains a complete set of everything except the > !RunImage. It certainly works, I've just put together a Race Night programme for our PTA with it. They were very impressed with the quality. -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: OwlArt@argonet.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 100 Skegby Road, | | | Kirkby-in-Ashfield, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | Nottingham. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | NG17 9FF. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:39:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88440 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:39:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917827151:10:10817:17; Sun, 31 Jan 99 23:59:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105453; 31 Jan 99 23:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA12853 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:40:21 GMT Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (kochanski.wn.planet.gen.nz [203.98.47.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12840 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:39:58 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09634 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:40:58 +1300 (NZDT) >Received: by bridge.wn.planet.gen.nz (ReadNews 0.34); Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:00:48 +1300 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:00:47 +1300 From:(Julian Wright) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Thesaurus Message-ID: References: Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Lines: 20 Received: from bridge by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:40 NZD Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Stephen Parkin writes: > I can access words before 'fir...' and things recover somewhere after 'fob', > although I haven't determined exactly where, as errors at this end of the > section cause the 'Filecore in use' error and I got sick of rebooting. Works fine for me. It sounds like a chunk of the data has been corrupted, and by the presence of the "Filecore in use" message I would suspect you may have a slightly corrupted disc map. Have you tried running fsck on your drive? You will almost certainly need to reinstall !Thesaurus from your original discs to fix this. Julian. -- This tagline mutilated by a demented nerd. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:40:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88446 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:39:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917872082:10:10607:15; Mon, 01 Feb 99 12:28:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010300; 1 Feb 99 12:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA13573 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:57 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA13568 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:41 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.134] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 107HwN-0004QZ-00; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:54:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:55 +0000 (GMT) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Innocent abroad. To: User mailings Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've been using Ovation Pro (2.46) for six months in a WP manner. Having more time on my hands I've started to explore it's other facilities. However, my first hurdle occurred when I set out to use !Labels. The 'Ovation Pro Applets' booklet supplied with the package says, on page 2 in section 2, Most of the Applets ........ are accessed through a new menu called Applets which is added to the bottom of the main menu. Not in my copy it ain't. Is there an FAQ area on-line anywhere that I can refer to as I continue to sample the new delights of Ovation Pro ? In the meantime has anyone a remedy for my current problem, please ? -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 20:27:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88485 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 20:27:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917896224:10:22554:20; Mon, 01 Feb 99 19:10:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022582; 1 Feb 99 19:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA14049 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:48:03 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14041 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:47:42 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 107ONy-0005bt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:47:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 99 18:32:07 GMT Message-Id: <88479@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Talk about having your arm twisted up your back. This is exactly what I am going to do to you all if this thread continues. ;-) Seriously, I think most people would prefer a bit more signal and/or a bit less noise. And whilst I'm in spoil sport mode, I'd like to encourage better quoting from messages. Less of the Me too! Please. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 20:27:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88486 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 20:27:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917897155:20:00138:21; Mon, 01 Feb 99 19:25:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112039; 1 Feb 99 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA14048 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:48:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14037 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:47:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 107ONx-0005bt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:47:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 99 18:28:26 GMT Message-Id: <88477@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Innocent abroad. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The 'Ovation Pro Applets' booklet supplied with the package >says, on page 2 in section 2, Most of the Applets ........ are >accessed through a new menu called Applets which is added to the >bottom of the main menu. Not in my copy it ain't. The applets menu only appears when you have some applets that use the menu installed. I also seem to dimly recall that if you try to install some old (pre 2.46 'applets' - they were called library scripts then) they can upset this menu. >Is there an FAQ area on-line anywhere that I can refer to as I >continue to sample the new delights of Ovation Pro ? There are the archived postings to the maillist, which cover most things but are lengthy. There's also a FAQ at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 20:27:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88488 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 20:27:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917897794:20:09701:15; Mon, 01 Feb 99 19:36:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101467; 1 Feb 99 19:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14187 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:16:52 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14179 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:16:37 GMT Received: from [158.152.73.37] (helo=spcap.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 107Opy-00028G-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:16:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:07:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: !Thesaurus To: OvationPro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 31 Jan, Julian Wright wrote: > Works fine for me. > > It sounds like a chunk of the data has been corrupted, and by the > presence of the "Filecore in use" message I would suspect you may have > a slightly corrupted disc map. Have you tried running fsck on your > drive? No errors there. > You will almost certainly need to reinstall !Thesaurus from your > original discs to fix this. Unfortunately, it's the copy on the original disc that's faulty, so the ball goes over to Beebug... Thanks to all who've checked their copies. Regards, -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 20:27:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88489 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 20:27:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917900101:10:10857:15; Mon, 01 Feb 99 20:15:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010698; 1 Feb 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14451 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:59:55 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14443 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:59:39 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 107PVc-0000i2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:59:48 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:00:32 GMT Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:47:41 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Master page not updating in main doc Message-ID: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have an OP file that is causing trouble. On two occasions now with this file I have made changes on the master page, and the main document has not been updated(which is a single page). Going back to the master page shows the changes still in place. These cahnges have included position of frames and colour of text. The first time this happened I managed to get around the problem, but on this second occasion I can't remember what I did. Also it was posible to move a frame from the main document that was only on the master frame. Feels like a bug, or a document that has it's knickers in a twist. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 21:17:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88495 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 21:17:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917903460:20:29599:35; Mon, 01 Feb 99 21:11:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117258; 1 Feb 99 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14601 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:53:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA14596 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:53:43 GMT Received: from (194.69.97.171) [194.69.97.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 107QLv-0005g2-00; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:53:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:49:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cdb903eaowlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Non-printing Black User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is it possible to set a colour for either text or frames to be non-printing black? eg. It would show on screen but not on the final printout? This would be handy for making little notes as you went along, or for putting reminders onto master pages (eg. "these columns xxmm wide")? Just a thought! -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 18:14:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88573 for opro ; Tue, 02 Feb 99 18:13:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917979105:10:09286:15; Tue, 02 Feb 99 18:11:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1112974; 2 Feb 99 18:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA15494 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:53:54 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15489 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:53:35 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-50.access.ch [195.112.73.242]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id RAA24766 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:53:46 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:45:10 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <48bc37c675df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Dec, D.A.Symes wrote: > Well fellow Ov Pro users. A somewhat belated reaction as I had hoped someone would have a bright idea. snip > > As good as Ov Pro has become, there are still a few straight forward bits > and pieces that are needed, seriously needed. Is it not nice to have all these applets. And they do show on the menu! snip again > The other Index applet by David Breakwell is a good effort, but again > unfortunately I've yet to produce a satisfactory Index with it (probably > me being thick). > I find it cumbersome to use and can't understand half of what's supposed > to happen with it. I do not think so. But I would like to ask Mr Breakwell to have a non computer programmer write the manual. For persons having no technical roots this manual is partly comparable to an unknown language. It was only after printing the manual and painstakingly reading every letter, that I succeeded using this applet. The applet is nice. And it does work! A new manual, please Mr Breakwell, understandable for a computer nitwit as well. ):-)) Comments to the rest of Mr Symes mail I leave to others. Snip the rest Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 20:21:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88577 for opro ; Tue, 02 Feb 99 20:21:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917984586:20:17645:15; Tue, 02 Feb 99 19:43:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017006; 2 Feb 99 19:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA15688 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:26:31 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA15683 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:26:15 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.166] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 107lRD-0004Ig-00; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:24:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:32:12 +0000 (GMT) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Innocent abroad. To: User mailings In-Reply-To: <88477@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB15688 On Mon 01 Feb, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > >The 'Ovation Pro Applets' booklet supplied with the package > >says, on page 2 in section 2, Most of the Applets ........ are > >accessed through a new menu called Applets which is added to the > >bottom of the main menu. Not in my copy it ain't. >=20 > The applets menu only appears when you have some applets that use > the menu installed. I also seem to dimly recall that if you=20 > try to install some old (pre 2.46 'applets' - they were called > library scripts then) they can upset this menu. > Lucky dip :-) =20 >=20 > >Is there an FAQ area on-line anywhere that I can refer to as I > >continue to sample the new delights of Ovation Pro ?=20 >=20 > There are the archived postings to the maillist, which cover most > things but are lengthy. There's also a FAQ at=20 >=20 > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro >=20 >=20 Thank you very much; it looks as if some exciting times are coming up=A0:-) --=20 brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 3 01:50:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88588 for opro ; Wed, 03 Feb 99 01:50:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917994878:10:17911:15; Tue, 02 Feb 99 22:34:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017786; 2 Feb 99 22:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA15983 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:16:37 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA15978 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:16:25 GMT Received: from (193.149.91.108) [193.149.91.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 107o7h-000151-00; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:16:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Feb 99 22:13:29 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 2 Feb 99 (17:45:10 +0100), janvredenb@access.ch wrote: >I do not think so. But I would like to ask Mr Breakwell to have a non >computer programmer write the manual. For persons having no technical >roots this manual is partly comparable to an unknown language. It was >only after printing the manual and painstakingly reading every letter, >that I succeeded using this applet. The applet is nice. And it does >work! > A new manual, please Mr Breakwell, understandable for a computer >nitwit as well. ):-)) > > The job is up for grabs - I'll give to support to anyone who wants to write one. Its always a problem - manual writing is an occupation in its own right and I am only a programmer! The last release of IdxPro (made just after Christmas) should have helped as it did tidy up a few confusing areas of the Applet and added interactive help. Alternatively blame Microsoft (Red Rag...) as the basic functionallity was originally modeled on the MS-Word Indexing tool. Contact me if you want support/have questions etc David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 16:55:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88695 for opro ; Thu, 04 Feb 99 16:55:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918140556:10:17169:34; Thu, 04 Feb 99 15:02:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016946; 4 Feb 99 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA17926 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:29:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17921 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:29:03 GMT Received: from [158.152.123.49] (helo=retreat.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 108Pms-0007QB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:29:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:27:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Flip chart style pamphlet To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello I wonder if this has come up before. In trying to produce an A5 pamphlet hinged at the long edge where the long edge is also the top of a landscape page I've had problems. My solution was to create and A5 master page in portrait with the text frame created in landscape across the page and then rotated and moved to fit the guidelines. Pre-prepared text and pictures were imported into the rotated pages and moved about but had to be edited by reading the lines from bottom to top of screen. From the print dialogue pamphlet printing then went OK. Is there a more elegant way so I could look at pages landscape across screen and (say) invoke a "Rotate Pamphlet" applet to do the printing job for me? -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 19:08:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88707 for opro ; Thu, 04 Feb 99 19:08:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918153676:10:29557:16; Thu, 04 Feb 99 18:41:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029528; 4 Feb 99 18:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18174 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:01:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18169 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:00:58 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 108T5r-0004Ui-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:01:37 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:01:58 GMT Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 00:28:54 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image resolution information Message-ID: <8dbbd4ce48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Having read this mailist concerning Ovation Pro already giving output dpi > information I got a little confused. This version is not in v2.46, which is > what I had been using. i have jut upgraded to 2.51, and lo and behold this > information is there in the Picture Info box. > > I don't see much point in writing the applet anymore, unless anyone can come up > with some good features, then I'll do it. Well it is good to have the 'picture-> info' stuff but it would so much better if I could type in a writable icon(for a particular image): a)the resolution I desire and have the applet work out and insert the scaling required for the image; b)a scaling and have the applet show what resolution and dimemsions that would give with the current image c)the aspect ratio I desire, and have the applet tell me how that affects the resolution in the x and y plane d)the dimensions I desire and have the applet work out the scaling required and show what that would do to resolution. stuff along those lines would make life easier, because with sprites being rendered to 90dpi, it can sometimes be a bit of a pain getting the right scaling and dimensions. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 21:19:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88728 for opro ; Thu, 04 Feb 99 21:19:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918160862:10:28972:16; Thu, 04 Feb 99 20:41:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028910; 4 Feb 99 20:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA18409 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:22:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA18404 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:22:13 GMT Received: from [193.237.156.226] (helo=tarazen) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 108VIi-00037M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:23:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:04:01 +0000 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page not updating in main doc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Nature X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Alan Muscat wrote: > I have an OP file that is causing trouble. > > On two occasions now with this file I have made changes > on the master page, and the main document has not > been updated(which is a single page). Going back to > the master page shows the changes still in place. > These cahnges have included position of frames and > colour of text. The first time this happened I managed > to get around the problem, but on this second occasion > I can't remember what I did. Also it was posible to move > a frame from the main document that was only on the master > frame. > > Feels like a bug, or a document that has it's knickers > in a twist. > try inserting a new page before page one, if that conforms to your Master Page layout then delete the old one. If the problem persists in the doc then save as ddl and reload into a new document created from scratch. It happened to me a few times, all the files were created from the same Master Doc, which must have been corrupted. -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 5 16:26:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88780 for opro ; Fri, 05 Feb 99 16:25:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918230931:10:00160:18; Fri, 05 Feb 99 16:08:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029832; 5 Feb 99 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA19190 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:20:15 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19185 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:20:03 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA27292 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:20:57 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:20:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Newer Version error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have many OvPro files saved in a !Squirrel database which I access by keywords. The last one I tried to access in this way gave me an error: 'File produced by a newer version of Ovpro can't be loaded'. I am using 2.51 - how can this be? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 5 18:14:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88802 for opro ; Fri, 05 Feb 99 18:14:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918236162:20:21550:25; Fri, 05 Feb 99 17:36:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116356; 5 Feb 99 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA19380 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:48:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19371 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:48:24 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 108oRX-0005aw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:49:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 99 16:36:00 GMT Message-Id: <88792@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newer Version error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have many OvPro files saved in a !Squirrel database which I access by >keywords. The last one I tried to access in this way gave me an error: 'File >produced by a newer version of Ovpro can't be loaded'. I am using 2.51 - how >can this be? Sounds to me like you have an old copy of OPro somewhere which is being fired up when you attempt to load a file this way. Or that files are being corrupted. Again I don't know all the details but saving to disc and then loading may be safer than some sort of inter application transfer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 5 19:27:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88817 for opro ; Fri, 05 Feb 99 19:27:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918242306:20:15417:17; Fri, 05 Feb 99 19:18:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110090; 5 Feb 99 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA19604 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:39:37 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19595 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:39:21 GMT Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=DELL_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 108qAu-0003oU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:40:21 +0000 Message-ID: <3xbUkDAVlzu2EwFB@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:32:53 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Flip chart style pamphlet References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch writes >On Thu 04 Feb, Malcolm Cowell wrote: >> >> Is there a more elegant way so I could look at pages landscape across >> screen and (say) invoke a "Rotate Pamphlet" applet to do the printing >> job for me? > >I do not believe this is the solution. You should start with a landscape >page which then must be "flipped", if I understand you correctly. > Yep, what you do (I use it for producing wide tables "sideways" in a portrait document) is to create a text frame of the required size, extending over the edges of the page. If you have a sufficiently wide pasteboard, you can still see the edges. Do all your stuff in that frame, and then simply rotate it by 90 or 180 degrees, as appropriate, and position it appropriately in your document. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 5 19:28:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88819 for opro ; Fri, 05 Feb 99 19:27:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918240304:10:06875:49; Fri, 05 Feb 99 18:45:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006835; 5 Feb 99 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA19524 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:02:15 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19519 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:02:01 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-100.access.ch [195.112.93.228]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id TAA02740 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:02:50 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:08:23 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Flip chart style pamphlet To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 04 Feb, Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > Hello > > I wonder if this has come up before. In trying to produce an A5 pamphlet > hinged at the long edge where the long edge is also the top of a landscape > page I've had problems. The size is not important. I have wanted this a long time for A4. With my DM printer I have found ways to have the reverse side of a document printed upside down, so that you can "flip-over" pages bound on the long edge. This is especially useful if calculations are included over multiple pages. The printing out of a spreadsheet for example. With a laser printer it can be done (turn paper upside down and turn it 180 degrees) but the main problem is that the height of the top margin on the rear side has the size of the bottom margin on the front side. It can be corrected by changing x and/or y offsets, but that is tiresome. What we need is a "flip-over" printing next to double-sided etc. But... In OPro 2.51 the printer menu has an icon stating "Reflect". Unknown in Opro's manual. So what does this do? Can anyone explain, please? snip > Is there a more elegant way so I could look at pages landscape across > screen and (say) invoke a "Rotate Pamphlet" applet to do the printing > job for me? I do not believe this is the solution. You should start with a landscape page which then must be "flipped", if I understand you correctly. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 6 14:32:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88844 for opro ; Sat, 06 Feb 99 14:32:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918273985:20:20695:15; Sat, 06 Feb 99 04:06:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124986; 6 Feb 99 4:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA20156 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:29:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA20151 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:29:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 108yRd-0006R6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:30:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Feb 99 01:53:45 GMT Message-Id: <88836@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Flip chart style pamphlet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But... In OPro 2.51 the printer menu has an icon stating "Reflect". Unknown >in Opro's manual. So what does this do? Can anyone explain, please? According to interactive help "If this option is selected, pages are printed as mirror-images." As to the problem, how to get a landscape A5 document printed across A4. One simple suggestion is to use the thumbnails option. You would have to sort out page ordering yourself - and the 'backs' would be upside down. In general the problem is imposition. The solution is to take the existing pamphlet script and modify it to do what you want. >With a laser printer it can be done (turn paper upside down and turn it 180 >degrees) but the main problem is that the height of the top margin on the >rear side has the size of the bottom margin on the front side. It can be >corrected by changing x and/or y offsets, but that is tiresome. >What we need is a "flip-over" printing next to double-sided etc. I agree. In the imposition terminology it's the difference between 'turn' and 'turn and tumble'. But you might do as well to set up printing to centre on the paper, or define a paper size for the printer which has equal top and bottom margins. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 6 14:33:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88854 for opro ; Sat, 06 Feb 99 14:33:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918310319:20:04347:15; Sat, 06 Feb 99 14:11:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100716; 6 Feb 99 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA20710 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:41:54 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20704 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:41:29 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-88.access.ch [195.112.69.216]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id OAA05836 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:42:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:28:52 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Flip chart style pamphlet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <3xbUkDAVlzu2EwFB@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Feb, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message , Jhr > JMAH van Vredenburch writes > >On Thu 04 Feb, Malcolm Cowell wrote: snip > Yep, what you do (I use it for producing wide tables "sideways" in a > portrait document) is to create a text frame of the required size, > extending over the edges of the page. If you have a sufficiently wide > pasteboard, you can still see the edges. Do all your stuff in that > frame, and then simply rotate it by 90 or 180 degrees, as appropriate, > and position it appropriately in your document. A nice solution for a few pages. But if you have many pages (I have one document of 63 pages) this is tiresome. Especially if the text must flow from one page to the next. And that through all 63 pages. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 17:34:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88884 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 17:34:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918404268:20:15961:15; Sun, 07 Feb 99 16:17:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111333; 7 Feb 99 16:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA22227 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:02:57 GMT Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22222 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:02:43 GMT Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-usr00-18.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.226.18]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.2/8.9.2/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id QAA28506 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:04:04 GMT Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:03:35 +0000 (GMT) From: John Woodthorpe Subject: Re: Font Memory - something wierd going on! To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rob, On ?, Rob Hemmings wrote: > Can anyone help - this seems bizarre? > > I've just been trying to print a document from OvationPro and had an > error that starts: > > The area of memory reserved for fonts is full > > I've got Fontmax set to 1020K so there should be lots spare. I'm also using > Font Directory Pro from LookSystems and this shows only 264K in use. > > If I then try to print again (it is a one page A4 poster) it prints OK > but with two letters missing from the main heading! > Aha, my specialist subject! To repeat my posting on this of last November: I found that some of my fonts are a little "naughty" and are conspiring with OvPro to produce this (i.e. no other application and only a few fonts combine to cause it). Check your fonts for some (probably PD) that you are using in oblique. I now do the following: 1. Hide all my fonts to a directory the filer won't "see" 2. Reboot 3. Load the file into OvPro, letting it reflow all the fonts to new ones (and noting the ones it wants at the same time). It helps to disable the Auto Save at this point!!! 4. Try printing the document. 5. If that prints without complaining, then you can put all the fonts back, apart from the oblique ones (italic ones seem OK in my experience) and try again from step 2. 6. If that works too, then one of your oblique fonts is dodgy in some way. I found that Ladybird and Revue (sources unknown) have done it for me. I used MkOblique 1.18 (by Martyn Rose, from an AU Cover Disc in 1993 - I think) to rebuild them and the error has gone away. Let me know and I'll email it to you as it seems to be PD. N.B. Even if the font is no longer used in the document, it may still be used, and hence loaded into the template or the document itself. Of course, none of that may be the case for you, but it's got me out a few nasty moments! Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 17:35:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88890 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 17:35:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918421459:20:29550:16; Sun, 07 Feb 99 21:04:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117694; 7 Feb 99 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA22843 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:47:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22836 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:47:27 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 109b8N-0004LC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:48:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 07 Feb 1999 20:49:34 GMT Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 20:27:36 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page not updating in main doc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message > Alan Muscat wrote: > > > I have an OP file that is causing trouble. > > > > On two occasions now with this file I have made changes > > on the master page, and the main document has not > > been updated(which is a single page). Going back to > > the master page shows the changes still in place. > > These cahnges have included position of frames and > > colour of text. The first time this happened I managed > > to get around the problem, but on this second occasion > > I can't remember what I did. Also it was posible to move > > a frame from the main document that was only on the master > > frame. > > > > Feels like a bug, or a document that has it's knickers > > in a twist. > > > try inserting a new page before page one, if that conforms to your > Master Page layout then delete the old one. Ahh. I delted the offending doc and rebuilt it, so I can't test this, but I shall if it happens again. > > If the problem persists in the doc then save as ddl and reload into a > new document created from scratch. I did do this earlier, and found that one of the frames moved to the right place, while the other moved to a worse place. > > It happened to me a few times, all the files were created from the same > Master Doc, which must have been corrupted. Thanks for your suggestions. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 17:35:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88897 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 17:35:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918462484:20:00494:18; Mon, 08 Feb 99 08:28:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109285; 8 Feb 99 8:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA23506 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:05:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23501 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:05:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.200.200] (helo=xxxpiper.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 109lgx-0007fj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:05:16 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by xxxpiper.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:04:18 GMT Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:04:11 +0000 From: "J.V.Parker" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: remove Message-ID: <2059c6d048%jvp@xxxpiper.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -- J.V.Parker -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 17:35:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88896 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 17:35:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918384543:10:10520:15; Sun, 07 Feb 99 10:49:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113867; 7 Feb 99 10:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA21770 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:32:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA21765 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:32:43 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.48) [193.149.69.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 109RXO-0005k8-00; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:34:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 7 Feb 99 (10:33:18 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Font Memory - something wierd going on! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anyone help - this seems bizarre? I've just been trying to print a document from OvationPro and had an error that starts: The area of memory reserved for fonts is full I've got Fontmax set to 1020K so there should be lots spare. I'm also using Font Directory Pro from LookSystems and this shows only 264K in use. If I then try to print again (it is a one page A4 poster) it prints OK but with two letters missing from the main heading! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 17:37:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88926 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 17:37:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918490056:10:05495:15; Mon, 08 Feb 99 16:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114134; 8 Feb 99 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA24107 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:22:42 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24102 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:22:27 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:21:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:20:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d135a897C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Subject: Disappearing fonts User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On a number of ocassions I have had the following problem. A multipage document with a number of embedded draw files. Printing the whole document to a postscript printer gives no problem. However, printing a selection of pages, e.g. 35 - 43 say, results in the text in the drawfiles (Homerton in this case) being substituted with corpus/Courier. However, if you print a range including page 1, (e.g. 1, 35 to 43) then the correct fonts are printed. If there are any Tablemate tables present, then the same happens to them, all the fonts being replaced with corpus/courier. The odd thing is, that if the same draw files contain greek symbols as well, these remain, even tho' the homerton has been substituted with corpus. I never have any problem printing to an inkjet, and the above postscript problem does not happen all the time. It is almost as if the font translation is sometimes being forgotten when page 1 is not printed as part of the job. Has anyone else seen anything like this? -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 20:48:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88965 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 20:48:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918504053:20:20165:15; Mon, 08 Feb 99 20:00:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127557; 8 Feb 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA24528 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:40:50 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24522 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:40:34 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-33.access.ch [195.112.93.161]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id UAA01544 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:40:42 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:34:19 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Feb, Mr Breakwell wrote: > On Tue 2 Feb 99 (17:45:10 +0100), janvredenb@access.ch wrote: snip > The job is up for grabs - I'll give to support to anyone who wants to write snip again > Contact me if you want support/have questions etc Maybe I missed something. Your manual has a chapter "Tutorial". But it is an empty page. Not, I believe my mistake, as this was the case in both cases when I downloaded the applet ( the 2nd time becuase of the empty chapter) This tutorial is important. At present te manual is not to clear how one must select (a group of) words to include in the index. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 01:34:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88995 for opro ; Tue, 09 Feb 99 01:34:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918516145:20:14758:15; Mon, 08 Feb 99 23:22:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110951; 8 Feb 99 23:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA24843 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:10:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA24838 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:10:19 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.109) [193.149.84.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 109zoy-0006QF-00; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:10:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Feb 99 (19:14:10 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Fwd:Re: Font Memory - something wierd going on! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 7 Feb 99 (11:13:05 +0000), rmking@argonet.co.uk wrote: >In article , > Rob Hemmings wrote: >> Can anyone help - this seems bizarre? > >> I've just been trying to print a document from OvationPro and had an >> error that starts: > >> The area of memory reserved for fonts is full > >> I've got Fontmax set to 1020K so there should be lots spare. I'm >> also using Font Directory Pro from LookSystems and this shows only 264K in >> use. > >Hello Rob, > >I would suspect that the font you are using in your main heading is the >culprit, especially if it is of PD origin. I have experienced similar >error messages with such fonts. > >Try selecting another header font in your document, re-boot your >computer and print the document out again. Thanks for the (very quick!) help - it solved the problem. The strange thing is that I've definitely printed the same poster in the past without any problem (about a year ago). The font is Europe which actually came with OvationPro. It also prints OK using the Arcfax printer driver to print to the screen. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 13:04:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89012 for opro ; Tue, 09 Feb 99 13:04:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918540726:20:06955:16; Tue, 09 Feb 99 06:12:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121809; 9 Feb 99 6:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA25170 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:00:07 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA25165 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 05:59:52 GMT Received: from Dave..zetnet.co.uk (manr-012.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.142]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA24011 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:00:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:33:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d14ce238davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10a for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Non-printing Black In-Reply-To: <48cdb903eaowlart@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48cdb903eaowlart@argonet.co.uk>, Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > Is it possible to set a colour for either text or frames to be > non-printing black? eg. It would show on screen but not on the final > printout? This would be handy for making little notes as you went along, > or for putting reminders onto master pages (eg. "these columns xxmm > wide")? > Just a thought! Define a new colour as a black spot colour. Type in your notes using this. If you are printing litho then they won't show as presumeably you will not produce a film for black spot. If outputting to a laser printer or similar then edit the black in the spot colour to white before printing. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 14:01:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89102 for opro ; Wed, 10 Feb 99 14:01:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918636186:20:08691:16; Wed, 10 Feb 99 08:43:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008568; 10 Feb 99 8:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA26520 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:43:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA26515 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:42:51 GMT Received: from (193.149.68.196) [193.149.68.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10AUIb-0005YC-00; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:43:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Feb 99 20:00:04 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Maybe I missed something. Your manual has a chapter "Tutorial". But it >is an empty page. Not, I believe my mistake, as this was the case in >both cases when I downloaded the applet ( the 2nd time becuase of the >empty chapter) > >This tutorial is important. At present te manual is not to clear how >one >must select (a group of) words to include in the index. > > JohnvV > I never managed to write a tutorial - unfortunately time constraints always tend to mean that I extend the functionality rather than write the tutorial. Secondly I am not particularly good at writing user documentation (I tend to assume to much and what appears obvious to me eludes everyone else). In this light and agreeing with the comments about poor documentation I am suggesting that someone else takes on the task. I can then finish off my frame creation applet as posted here late last month... David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 22:05:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89145 for opro ; Wed, 10 Feb 99 22:05:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918680986:20:23406:25; Wed, 10 Feb 99 21:09:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023582; 10 Feb 99 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA27470 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:38:32 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA27465 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:38:13 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-52.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.183] with SMTP for id VAA03908 (8.8.8/1.14); Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:38:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <021b01be5535$27774c70$0100000a@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:28:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Johnson wrote: >On a number of ocassions I have had the following problem. > >A multipage document with a number of embedded draw files. Printing the >whole document to a postscript printer gives no problem. However, printing >a selection of pages, e.g. 35 - 43 say, results in the text in the >drawfiles (Homerton in this case) being substituted with corpus/Courier. >However, if you print a range including page 1, (e.g. 1, 35 to 43) then >the correct fonts are printed. If there are any Tablemate tables present, >then the same happens to them, all the fonts being replaced with >corpus/courier. The odd thing is, that if the same draw files contain >greek symbols as well, these remain, even tho' the homerton has been >substituted with corpus. I have encountered similar problems with embedded graphic files (Artworks/Draw) and postscript printing. All these graphics contained fonts, which I had not used in text frames earlier in the document. This happened in Ovation(Pro) and in Impression. Even with the printer resident fonts. In Impression you can create a list of fonts, used in the document. Fonts, only used in the embedded graphics are not listed. Most of the time. They also are not mentioned in the PostScript files. Most of the time. Since I discovered this inconsistence, I always take care to use all the fonts of the graphics in text frames, which I create in my document BEFORE the graphics files. Sometimes in little text frames in the bleed, sometimes white text in white frames between the black printable text. The opposite occurres also from time to time: fonts used in earlier (Artwork?) files, but not in the present, are being asked for. I work around these (not used, but requested) fonts by mapping all these fonts to a printer resident font eg. Helvetica to get rid of them. > >I never have any problem printing to an inkjet, and the above postscript >problem does not happen all the time. It is almost as if the font >translation is sometimes being forgotten when page 1 is not printed as >part of the job. > I don't know why the font translation can't be trusted. I always print to file first and control the way the fonts are listed. (mrs) Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 14:05:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89177 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:05:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918726984:20:00035:28; Thu, 11 Feb 99 09:56:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100453; 11 Feb 99 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA27907 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:25:27 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27898 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:25:05 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:25:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:25:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d2a0b0dfC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: <021b01be5535$27774c70$0100000a@padua> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <021b01be5535$27774c70$0100000a@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > I have encountered similar problems with embedded graphic files > (Artworks/Draw) and postscript printing. All these graphics contained > fonts, which I had not used in text frames earlier in the document. > This happened in Ovation(Pro) and in Impression. Even with the printer > resident fonts. At least I am not alone. You are correct. The disappearing font (Homerton), was not used in the main text of the document, but only in the embedded drawfiles. It is still odd that printing page 1 every time seems to cure it even when Homerton is not used on page 1. If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 14:05:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89179 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:05:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918729752:20:22684:17; Thu, 11 Feb 99 10:42:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022085; 11 Feb 99 10:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28008 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:01:58 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA28002 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:01:41 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 10Aswy-00013k-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:02:24 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10Aswv-0000cs-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:02:21 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:02:19 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FA2A@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Disappearing fonts Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:02:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just for my 2p's worth, I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on printout when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to paths cures the problems. (ov. pro. 2.51 + CC Turbo driver + patched config file + epson stylus colour !) Any fix? Thanks, Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Johnson [SMTP > Sent: 11 February 1999 09:25 > To: ovationpro > Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts > > In article <021b01be5535$27774c70$0100000a@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > I have encountered similar problems with embedded graphic files > > (Artworks/Draw) and postscript printing. All these graphics contained > > fonts, which I had not used in text frames earlier in the document. > > This happened in Ovation(Pro) and in Impression. Even with the printer > > resident fonts. > > At least I am not alone. You are correct. The disappearing font > (Homerton), was not used in the main text of the document, but only in the > embedded drawfiles. It is still odd that printing page 1 every time seems > to cure it even when Homerton is not used on page 1. > > If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font > manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. > > Chris > > -- > Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) > mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) > ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 17:13:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89198 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 17:13:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918746471:10:29708:19; Thu, 11 Feb 99 15:21:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029611; 11 Feb 99 15:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA28356 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:40:10 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28351 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:39:56 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10AxID-0006c1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:40:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:26:02 GMT Message-Id: <89191@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font >manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. Not so fast, I can't have someone else taking the credit... There have been problems in this area. At an early stage in the printing process, OPro has to scan all the vector files in a document as well as the text that is going to be printed, and declare to the PostScript printer which fonts are needed, so that they can be downloaded. If you look back though the logs of changes to OPro, you should see that this problem has come and gone. There's a trade off between printing speed and how hard one looks for the fonts. At any rate there is a possibility of this being a bug that has come back. >Just for my 2p's worth, >I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on printout >when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to paths cures the >problems. A completely different problem I'd say. All the previous stuff has been specific to PostScript printing, very different to a Turbo bitmap printer driver. I've not heard of your problem before. Obviously there's all the FAQ stuff about CC drivers and irregular frames, but that would apply to everything not just text in an AW file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 17:13:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89200 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 17:13:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918749584:10:09758:21; Thu, 11 Feb 99 16:13:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009170; 11 Feb 99 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA28422 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:12:53 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA28417 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:12:39 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 10Axnw-0007QO-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:13:24 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10Axnt-00012m-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:13:21 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:13:19 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FA38@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Disappearing fonts Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:13:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I followed your patching advice (previously offered) to solve the "banding" reagarement of graphics with the turbodrivers, which it did indeed cure. However this text disapearing problem still occurs from time to time.... If it is any help , it last happened when there was NO text native to OV, it wall only in embered Artworks graphics. Any ideas? Thanks, Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk [SMTP > Sent: 11 February 1999 14:26 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts > > > >If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font > >manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. > > Not so fast, I can't have someone else taking the credit... > > There have been problems in this area. At an early stage in the > printing process, OPro has to scan all the vector files in a document > as well as the text that is going to be printed, and declare to the > PostScript printer which fonts are needed, so that they can be > downloaded. > > If you look back though the logs of changes to OPro, you should see > that this problem has come and gone. There's a trade off between > printing speed and how hard one looks for the fonts. > > At any rate there is a possibility of this being a bug that has come back. > > > > >Just for my 2p's worth, > >I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on printout > >when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to paths cures the > >problems. > > A completely different problem I'd say. All the previous stuff has been > specific > to PostScript printing, very different to a Turbo bitmap printer driver. > > I've not heard of your problem before. Obviously there's all the FAQ stuff > about CC drivers and irregular frames, but that would apply to everything > not just text in an AW file. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 18:11:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89216 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 18:11:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918753882:10:06460:15; Thu, 11 Feb 99 17:24:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006197; 11 Feb 99 17:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA28564 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:31 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA28559 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:06 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 10AyhX-0000nP-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:51 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10AyhT-0002UB-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:47 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:46 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FA3A@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Disappearing fonts Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Opps! Sorry, my spell checker got caried away! I ment, the only text present was in embeded artworks files. :-o Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: REEVES-HALL, PC [SMTP > Sent: 11 February 1999 15:13 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: RE: Disappearing fonts > > I followed your patching advice (previously offered) to solve the > "banding" > reagarement of graphics with the turbodrivers, which it did indeed cure. > However this text disapearing problem still occurs from time to time.... > > If it is any help , it last happened when there was NO text native to OV, > it wall only in embered Artworks graphics. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk [SMTP > > Sent: 11 February 1999 14:26 > > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts > > > > > > >If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font > > >manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. > > > > Not so fast, I can't have someone else taking the credit... > > > > There have been problems in this area. At an early stage in the > > printing process, OPro has to scan all the vector files in a document > > as well as the text that is going to be printed, and declare to the > > PostScript printer which fonts are needed, so that they can be > > downloaded. > > > > If you look back though the logs of changes to OPro, you should see > > that this problem has come and gone. There's a trade off between > > printing speed and how hard one looks for the fonts. > > > > At any rate there is a possibility of this being a bug that has come > back. > > > > > > > > >Just for my 2p's worth, > > >I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on printout > > >when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to paths cures > the > > >problems. > > > > A completely different problem I'd say. All the previous stuff has been > > specific > > to PostScript printing, very different to a Turbo bitmap printer driver. > > > > I've not heard of your problem before. Obviously there's all the FAQ > stuff > > about CC drivers and irregular frames, but that would apply to > everything > > not just text in an AW file. > > > > > > > > > > David Pilling > > > > -- > > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 > 1LR. > > UK. > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 21:22:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89221 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 21:22:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918767069:20:24704:11564; Thu, 11 Feb 99 21:04:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100975; 11 Feb 99 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA28781 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:38:06 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28767 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:37:31 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-02.access.ch [195.112.73.2]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id SAA07313 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:38:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:39:36 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Fwd:Re: Font Memory - something wierd going on! To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA28768 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB28781 On Thu 11 Feb, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: snip > Have you by any chance added some weights to the original font as inclu= ded > with OP for example using FontTrix Pro or something similar? The origui= nal > font as supplied by Beebug has full outline files for all weights/fonts= but > those added by FontTrixPro have a text file instead of an outline file.= This > text file has the main font's name followed by "\M" and then 6 numbers.= I=FF t > could be that OP dislikes these files. >=20 > John P.S. I just discovered that "FontView" (=A9 Beebug 1994) also hates these tex= t files. Some weights are shown properly, some only show a few characters. A solution for this problem (using iSV's DrFonty) is outside this mailing list. JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) =2E -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 01:04:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89234 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 01:04:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918778213:20:13888:542; Fri, 12 Feb 99 00:10:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018945; 11 Feb 99 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA28780 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:38:06 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28771 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:37:33 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-02.access.ch [195.112.73.2]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id SAA07348 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:38:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:33:22 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Fwd:Re: Font Memory - something wierd going on! To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On ?, Rob Hemmings wrote: > On Sun 7 Feb 99 (11:13:05 +0000), rmking@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >In article , > > Rob Hemmings wrote: > >> Can anyone help - this seems bizarre? > > > >> I've just been trying to print a document from OvationPro and had an > >> error that starts: snip > The strange thing is that I've definitely printed the same poster in the past > without any problem (about a year ago). The font is Europe which actually came > with OvationPro. It also prints OK using the Arcfax printer driver to print to > the screen. Have you by any chance added some weights to the original font as included with OP for example using FontTrix Pro or something similar? The origuinal font as supplied by Beebug has full outline files for all weights/fonts but those added by FontTrixPro have a text file instead of an outline file. This text file has the main font's name followed by "\M" and then 6 numbers. It could be that OP dislikes these files. John -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 01:04:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89235 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 01:04:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918778805:20:13998:1127; Fri, 12 Feb 99 00:20:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018864; 12 Feb 99 0:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA29420 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:46:26 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29409 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:45:58 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-46.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.177] with SMTP for id AAA14508 (8.8.8/1.14); Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:46:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <013701be5618$96bff940$0100000a@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:53:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote > >>If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font >>manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. > >Not so fast, I can't have someone else taking the credit... > >There have been problems in this area. At an early stage in the >printing process, OPro has to scan all the vector files in a document >as well as the text that is going to be printed, and declare to the >PostScript printer which fonts are needed, so that they can be >downloaded. > >If you look back though the logs of changes to OPro, you should see >that this problem has come and gone. There's a trade off between >printing speed and how hard one looks for the fonts. > >At any rate there is a possibility of this being a bug that has come back. > If you want or need to convert OvationPro-files to PDF-files via printing to a PostScript file, the problem of disappearing of fonts is not limited to printers and printing speed. It's another handicap if you want compatibility and easy exchange between platforms. (mrs) Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 02:18:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89240 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 02:18:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918783314:20:12146:1089; Fri, 12 Feb 99 01:35:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121206; 12 Feb 99 0:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA29421 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:46:30 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29410 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:45:59 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-46.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.177] with SMTP for id AAA14511 (8.8.8/1.14); Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:46:47 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <013801be5618$9791c830$0100000a@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:44:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Johnson wrote: >In article <021b01be5535$27774c70$0100000a@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > >> I have encountered similar problems with embedded graphic files >> (Artworks/Draw) and postscript printing. All these graphics contained >> fonts, which I had not used in text frames earlier in the document. >> This happened in Ovation(Pro) and in Impression. Even with the printer >> resident fonts. > >At least I am not alone. You are correct. The disappearing font >(Homerton), was not used in the main text of the document, but only in the >embedded drawfiles. It is still odd that printing page 1 every time seems >to cure it even when Homerton is not used on page 1. My guess: it is a combination of Homerton.Medium being the basestyle of a default OvationPro document and starting a document with page 1. Even if you define another bodystyle it can be related to Homerton.Medium in the first stage/page. Artworks demands AvantG(arde) to be present. In Artworks files this font can be hidden, even if not used. In that case, opening an Ovation/Pro/Impression document which contains Artwork-files, can cause the DTP-program to ask for this font presumed AvantG(arde) is not present in the font cache ... (mrs) Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 02:18:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89242 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 02:18:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918784003:20:26389:27; Fri, 12 Feb 99 01:46:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2109969; 12 Feb 99 0:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA29540 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:15:28 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA29534 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:15:14 GMT Received: (qmail 19932 invoked from network); 12 Feb 1999 00:16:03 -0000 Received: from 66-234.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.234) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 1999 00:16:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:16:07 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts Message-ID: <4ecccbd248%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <89191@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <89191@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on printout > >when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to paths cures the > >problems. > > A completely different problem I'd say. All the previous stuff has been specific > to PostScript printing, very different to a Turbo bitmap printer driver. > > I've not heard of your problem before. Obviously there's all the FAQ stuff > about CC drivers and irregular frames, but that would apply to everything > not just text in an AW file. I've had (almost) exactly the same problem. I had one irregular frame in a document and only that one refused to include the text... except... ....for some strange reason two text items _were_ printed in that frame! The other two dozen had vanished. Lots of other shapes appeared as usual. The two text items that did print differed from almost all the other text: One was larger than the rest and the other was in red, but both were still text, not paths. The fonts I was using in this frame were various weights of Trinity and a Bold version of a font resident on the Typography CD (version 1). Other frames containing Typography fonts appeared correctly. Making that irregular frame rectangular again cured the problem completely. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 02:18:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89243 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 02:18:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918784325:20:08567:2542; Fri, 12 Feb 99 01:52:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2016418; 11 Feb 99 23:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29271 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:46:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA29266 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:46:23 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.56) [193.149.77.56] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10B4t5-0007X2-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:47:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:47:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d2ea2080owlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FA2A@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FA2A@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk>, "REEVES-HALL, PC" wrote: > I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on > printout when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to > paths cures the problems. > (ov. pro. 2.51 + CC Turbo driver + patched config file + epson stylus > colour !) Sounds like a Turbo Driver problem. In the Printer Configure Dialogue (shift click on the printer icon), choose Set by the Halftones box and untick Halftone Text. Now try it, it sometimes works for me! -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: OwlArt@argonet.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 100 Skegby Road, | | | Kirkby-in-Ashfield, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | Nottingham. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | NG17 9FF. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 13:40:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89246 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 13:40:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918789253:10:13525:16; Fri, 12 Feb 99 03:14:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102022; 12 Feb 99 3:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA29862 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:53:12 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA29857 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:53:00 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10B8jm-0003I4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:53:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 99 02:20:13 GMT Message-Id: <89244@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Sounds like a Turbo Driver problem. In the Printer Configure Dialogue >(shift click on the printer icon), choose Set by the Halftones box and >untick Halftone Text. Now try it, it sometimes works for me! Yes, and the key thing there is the point size, go over a certain size and the text vanishes. I'd also wonder if the current screen mode plays any part. For these irregular frames things are being rendered to a sprite and then that sprite is being printed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 13:41:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89252 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 13:41:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918826620:10:07186:15; Fri, 12 Feb 99 13:37:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006424; 12 Feb 99 13:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA30211 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:54:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA30206 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:54:35 GMT Received: from (193.149.90.143) [193.149.90.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10BI82-00024T-00; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:55:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Levens Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:54:50 +0000 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Tommorrow Applet and Matched Pairs Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Well, I said I was going to do them and I have. If you would like to enter tommorrows date, yesterdays date, the date one week from today, the date one month from today or the date of the end of the month then you need the Smart Calander applet. If you would like to be able to insert matched pairs around text selections, then you need my matched pairs applet. You can add Smart quotes around text, brackets and even those double chevron things (?). There is also an applet to allow you to alter the import resolution of PhotoCD images. Both applets can be found on the Levens Software web site, in the Others section. The url for the site is http://www.levens.co.uk/software The entire site has been created using OvationPro and the new HTMLinks applet (for links in text bodies) and was converted using HTMLPro 1.3. For full details on HTMLPro please visit http://www.levens.co.uk/software/html.htm Thanks Benji Levens -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 17:34:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89307 for opro ; Mon, 15 Feb 99 17:34:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919064789:20:21853:22; Mon, 15 Feb 99 07:46:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108668; 15 Feb 99 7:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA00593 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:26:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA00588 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:26:05 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.154) [193.149.81.154] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10CIPv-0001cH-00; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:26:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Philip Hetherington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:45:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Hogging memory Message-ID: <48d47afc9aphilhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11b (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have had a problem with Ovation Pro 2.51 today. It froze up when I was trying to move a single page of text, and the only way I could get out was to use Alt Brk to remove the application. It did the same thing again and again... different pages that I needed to shift. When I decided to close down my computer I noticed that the memory was well down and discovered that there were four separate Ovation Pro's each hogging around 2.5M of memory in the dynamic area on the task display bar. I have just sent my discs up today to Beebug for the new version 2.52! As I needed to set the material up I saved the text and pictures separately from the Ovation document, which it allowed me to do, even though it wasn't allowing movement of text or pictures and moved it all on to Impression Style on which I was able to edit the data in the order I wanted. I have 48M of memory on my RiscPC and it had reduced to under 30 when I gave up on Ovation. After a ctrl brk I have reloaded Ovation and the document; and Ovation is only occupying 1868 K with the document., and a further 2368 K in dynamic area which is what I would have expected! However exactly the same thing has happened when I try to move text around the document. This has never happened before to day. The text in question is from a Sleuth 3 scan; but again I have not had problems before. Phil Hetherington * ... Another good day; the computer is still working!? -- Philip Hetherington RiscPC+StrongArm 80 last March -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 17:34:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89313 for opro ; Mon, 15 Feb 99 17:34:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919026064:10:20168:15; Sun, 14 Feb 99 21:01:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121986; 14 Feb 99 21:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA32611 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:42:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA32605 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:42:16 GMT Received: from (194.69.99.216) [194.69.99.216] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10C8OA-00025A-00; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:43:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(John Clegg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 14 Feb 99 20:43:19 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Interactive spellcheck Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm sure this used to work but it certainly doesn't now. I'm using v. 2.51 but I tried my original 2.46 and it doesn't work there either. When I turn this on from the Misc > Spellcheck > menu, i.e Check as you type is ticked, the only thing that happens after typing an incorrectly spelled word then a space is a short hard disc access. I have tried switching off all my Applets and also a shift power-on so the !Boot sequence was by-passed with the same result. I use a SA RiscPC, 40Mb memory, Castle 32 bit SCSI card with nothing connected at the moment. Unplugged modules are: AUNMsgs MbufManager Internet Net BootNet Freeway ShareFS Window Menu Iconbar PrintDbox ProgInfo (don't ask me why they are unplugged!) Could any of these be causing the problem? Although this is not urgent, I don't usually use this feature, can anyone help? John Support the Ribble Link Trust Building Britain's First Canal This Century. -- _____ ______ ____________________________________ /_ _// __/ /__ __ __ __ __ / John Clegg jclegg@argonet.co.uk __/ / / /_/ / ._) _ ` / _ ` / / in Chorley, Lancashire, England /___/./___/_/\__/\__, /\__, / / Ribble Link pages at: ________________ /___/ /___/___/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jclegg/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 17:34:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89316 for opro ; Mon, 15 Feb 99 17:34:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919030506:10:11539:19; Sun, 14 Feb 99 22:15:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105839; 14 Feb 99 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA00038 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:00:13 GMT Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [194.126.82.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00033 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:00:01 GMT Received: from p01s02a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.210.2] helo=eat.globalnet.co.uk) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10C9bT-0007n6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:01:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim Crapnell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:33:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d46ed354eat@nospam.globalnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Interactive spellcheck In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 14 Feb, John Clegg wrote: > I'm sure this used to work but it certainly doesn't now. I'm using v. 2.51 but > I tried my original 2.46 and it doesn't work there either. > When I turn this on from the Misc > Spellcheck > menu, i.e Check as you type is > ticked, the only thing that happens after typing an incorrectly spelled word > then a space is a short hard disc access. Silly question but you have got your speakers turned on have you? :-) Tim Crapnell. -- ------------------------------------------ This message was sent to you from an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Processor. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 20:31:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89357 for opro ; Mon, 15 Feb 99 20:31:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919106469:20:26472:32; Mon, 15 Feb 99 19:21:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026442; 15 Feb 99 19:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA01471 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:51:28 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01466 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:51:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10CT6z-0006bU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:51:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 99 18:38:39 GMT Message-Id: <89354@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hogging memory X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have had a problem with Ovation Pro 2.51 today. It froze up when I was >trying to move a single page of text, and the only way I could get out was >to use Alt Brk to remove the application. As far as I know, when a program crashes, it is not possible for it to remove its dynamic area memory. Support for this was promised for RISC OS 4 8-) This is why each time something crashes, its memory is left. So the way you sort this out is to get hold of a DA killer, I'm sure there are a few PD ones available (or see KillDA by Tony Howat, Risc User disc late 1997). Turning to the main problem, very unfortunate, the only work around is to save as DDL and try to reload, see if that cleans things up. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 21:02:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89363 for opro ; Mon, 15 Feb 99 21:01:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919111063:20:18974:24; Mon, 15 Feb 99 20:37:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019012; 15 Feb 99 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01624 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:12:37 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01619 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:12:25 GMT Received: from jlo22 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 10CUNf-0000BV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:12:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:12:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan Overett X-Sender: jlo22@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Spellcheck applet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm writing an applet to alter spellchecking so that it ignores words of only two/three letters, and words containing numbers - like Impression does. However, I can't get it to work and can't see for the life of me why it doesn't. I'm using EVENT_SPELLCHECK which is number 0x30c according to the additional functions list that came with recent updates to OP but the function that I'm trying to call is never called. If I change 0x30c to something like 0x300 (EVENT_INSERTTEXT (?)) then the function is called, so clearly an event should be being set up. What can be wrong? Is 0x30c incorrect, has anyone else tried to use this event? Cheers Jonathan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 21:02:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89365 for opro ; Mon, 15 Feb 99 21:02:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919112291:20:02466:19; Mon, 15 Feb 99 20:58:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117654; 15 Feb 99 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01733 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:44:34 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA01726 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:44:18 GMT Received: (qmail 20809 invoked from network); 15 Feb 1999 20:44:28 -0000 Received: from 66-137.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.137) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 1999 20:44:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 00:21:17 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Remote Graphics Insertion... Message-ID: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ....or perhaps it's called something else... something abbreviated to OPI -- Open Press Interface, is it? Anyway... I have a standard headed paper document which, when blank, is 272k on disk (squashes to 133k). If I remove the header and footer graphics the document reduces in size to 33k (15k squashed). Removing the graphis defeats the point of having it: it is no longer a headed document. What I would dearly like to be able to do is to keep the header and footer graphics on disk in a Library directory and just keep some kind of pointer to them in the graphics frames in the document -- the graphics would be retrieved whenever the document is loaded, but not saved with it. Just the file path of the source would be saved along with the scaling and rotation settings etc. In that way I can save millions of bytes of duplicated graphics all over the place, and replace all the header graphics in all the documents in one go by changing the source graphic if, for examaple, the phone number or email address change. I am due to accumulate many hundreds of these documents each year as every letter, fax, memo and invoice is a headed document and is kept for reference. In the long term solving this problem now will save money on secondary storage devices. The number of disks (or whatever) required to store them for backup increases with their bulk, as does the time taken to do it. Does anyone believe they could write an Applet to do this? Or is this impossible? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 21:48:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89368 for opro ; Mon, 15 Feb 99 21:48:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919113014:20:11462:15; Mon, 15 Feb 99 21:10:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107699; 15 Feb 99 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01828 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:59:45 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01823 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:59:31 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 10CV7E-0001uK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:59:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:01:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Spellcheck applet To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 15 Feb, Jonathan Overett wrote: > I'm writing an applet to alter spellchecking so that it ignores words of > only two/three letters, and words containing numbers - like Impression > does. However, I can't get it to work and can't see for the life of me why > it doesn't. I'm using EVENT_SPELLCHECK which is number 0x30c according to > the additional functions list that came with recent updates to OP but the > function that I'm trying to call is never called. If I change 0x30c to > something like 0x300 (EVENT_INSERTTEXT (?)) then the function is called, > so clearly an event should be being set up. What can be wrong? Is 0x30c > incorrect, has anyone else tried to use this event? > Yes, I tried to do exactly what you're doing, and similarly failed. I also wanted it to ignore Roman numerals (I was going to assume that any word made up of ivxlcdm or IVXLCDM was a Roman numeral).[1] [1] That's a gentle hint, if you ever find out how to work EVENT_SPELLCHECK ;-) -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 21:48:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89371 for opro ; Mon, 15 Feb 99 21:48:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919113908:20:22847:15; Mon, 15 Feb 99 21:25:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101043; 15 Feb 99 21:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01899 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:07:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01887 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:06:47 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10CVEF-0004Da-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:06:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 99 20:37:38 GMT Message-Id: <89361@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Spellcheck applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro 30/01/99 DP150 The events #define EVENT_PRSTARTJOB 0x10A #define EVENT_PRENDJOB 0x10B #define EVENT_PRCACHE0 0x10E #define EVENT_PRCACHE1 0x10F were not registered properly for scripts. Now fixed. This has brought to light a feature and a catch. The feature is that you can register a script handler for *any* event, not just those which have specially been set up for scripts. The catch is that the handler function must be of the form; void eventfn(int user); If an event handler function has the wrong set of parameters the script language will be corrupted and strange things will happen. So if you're Nick Kaijaks and register a function for PRSTARTJOB of the form event(int user,int view), the event function will be called but subsequent events will go wrong. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 01:17:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89391 for opro ; Tue, 16 Feb 99 01:16:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919123149:10:06218:19; Mon, 15 Feb 99 23:59:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102694; 15 Feb 99 23:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA02214 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:47:35 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA02209 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:47:18 GMT Received: from jlo22 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 10CXje-0007hi-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:47:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:47:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan Overett X-Sender: jlo22@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spellcheck applet In-Reply-To: <89361@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > 30/01/99 > > DP150 > > The events > > #define EVENT_PRSTARTJOB 0x10A > #define EVENT_PRENDJOB 0x10B 2> #define EVENT_PRCACHE0 0x10E >2 #define EVENT_PRCACHE1 0x10F > > were not registered properly for scripts. Now fixed. OK, so how do I use EVENT_SPELLCHECK ??? Jonathan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 13:48:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89394 for opro ; Tue, 16 Feb 99 13:48:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919136616:10:16380:16; Tue, 16 Feb 99 03:43:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016352; 16 Feb 99 3:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA02454 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 03:31:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02449 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 03:31:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10CbEO-0007OW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 03:31:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 99 01:44:41 GMT Message-Id: <89392@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spellcheck applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OK, so how do I use EVENT_SPELLCHECK ??? 16/02/99 DP152 The function prototype for the EVENT_SPELLCHECK event should be documented as; int spellfn(int user,int file,int language,int spare,string & word); The return value from this function is ignored. Fixed. Sorry about that. The next problem is if/when this fix will be generally available... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 13:48:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89395 for opro ; Tue, 16 Feb 99 13:48:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919138418:20:02907:15; Tue, 16 Feb 99 04:13:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112078; 16 Feb 99 4:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA02567 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 04:00:17 GMT Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA02562 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 04:00:04 GMT Received: from xtr474144.xtra.co.nz ([202.27.179.77]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990216035959.XANC682101.mta1-rme@xtr474144.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:59:59 +1300 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:27:30 +1300 (BST) From: Rob Sinclair Subject: Flipping Objects To: OP list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I need to print posters as reversed images on the back of transparent material. To reverse the image (i.e. flip it in the X-axis), I set the aspect ratio to -100. However, simply changing the number in the picture frame Info palette from 100 to -100 makes the image disappear! This was overcome by selecting the picture, then dragging the horizontal handle on the resize gadget until the aspect reading was approx -95, and finally editing the number to exactly -100. If the picture frame is then enlarged, clicking "Fit" gives the error "Scale or aspect ratio out of allowed range" - so I think maybe OPro wasn't designed for negative aspect ratios. Also, selecting 2 images (1 sprite, 1 Artworks), grouping them, then dragging the resize handle changes only one of the objects, not both - ??? Normally I'd do this sort of thing in Artworks, but it won't print files larger than about 20MB. Is there a better way to flip an image within OPro? (i'm using v2.50) Rob -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions - Large Format Digital Graphics PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 13:48:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89397 for opro ; Tue, 16 Feb 99 13:48:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919161539:10:28530:17; Tue, 16 Feb 99 10:38:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105156; 16 Feb 99 10:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA02802 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:13:11 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02797 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:12:52 GMT Received: from modem-43.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.1.171] helo=wallace) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10ChV7-0008IU-00; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:13:10 +0000 Message-ID: <003001be5912$b1a952e0$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Spellcheck applet Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:40:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro DP wrote: >So if you're Nick Kaijaks and register a function for PRSTARTJOB of the form >event(int user,int view), the event function will be called but subsequent >events will go wrong. Which is why I changed the !Marks applet to use 0x10C PRSTART instead ;-) v1.03 (uploaded 23/01/99) is OK and on my website (address in .sig). Incidentally if David Briggs is reading this, his email system is broken (or was when I tried replying to him). Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Proprietor, Pinxit Design ~ for Internet and print media PhD research student, Physics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 13:49:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89401 for opro ; Tue, 16 Feb 99 13:49:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919162799:20:11637:16; Tue, 16 Feb 99 10:59:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011142; 16 Feb 99 10:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA02822 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:18:01 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02809 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:17:35 GMT Received: from modem-43.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.1.171] helo=wallace) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10ChZd-00008E-00; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:17:49 +0000 Message-ID: <004a01be5913$586de3c0$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Flipping Objects Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:45:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sinclair To: OP list Date: Tuesday, 16 February 1999 4.05 am Subject: Flipping Objects >I need to print posters as reversed images on the back of transparent >material. To reverse the image (i.e. flip it in the X-axis), I set the >aspect ratio to -100. However, simply changing the number in the picture [snip] >Is there a better way to flip an image within OPro? (i'm using v2.50) File>Print dialogue, tick "Reflect" reverses the whole page. Wouldn't that be simpler, or am I missing something? Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Proprietor, Pinxit Design ~ for Internet and print media PhD research student, Physics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 14:27:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89407 for opro ; Tue, 16 Feb 99 14:27:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919174591:20:07900:26; Tue, 16 Feb 99 14:16:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007451; 16 Feb 99 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA03121 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:32:36 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03116 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:32:21 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10Cjfz-0002xJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:32:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:28:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Flipping Objects To: OP list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 16 Feb, Rob Sinclair wrote: > Is there a better way to flip an image within OPro? (i'm using v2.50) With reflect in the printer menu? Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 18:00:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89422 for opro ; Tue, 16 Feb 99 18:00:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919186968:20:03684:15; Tue, 16 Feb 99 17:42:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123605; 16 Feb 99 17:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA03373 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:03:20 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA03368 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:03:01 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA01646 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:03:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199902161703.SAA01646@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 16 Feb 1999 09:42:20 GMT Subject: Re: Flipping Objects MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snipped symptoms of not using "Centre lock"] >Is there a better way to flip an image within OPro? (i'm using v2.50) If You have the radio-option "Centre lock" on instead of "No lock" while confirming "-100%" proportion the picture will stay in the middle of the frame. You can have graphics stick to the centre by default from OP's choices, which is a most useful thing. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 18:06:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89427 for opro ; Tue, 16 Feb 99 18:06:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919187547:10:07750:18; Tue, 16 Feb 99 17:52:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129852; 16 Feb 99 17:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA03379 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:04:41 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA03374 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:04:23 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA01616 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:02:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199902161702.SAA01616@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 16 Feb 1999 09:12:42 GMT Subject: Re: Interactive spellcheck MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: >I'm sure this used to work but it certainly doesn't now. I'm using v. 2.51 but >I tried my original 2.46 and it doesn't work there either. > >When I turn this on from the Misc > Spellcheck > menu, i.e Check as you type is >ticked, the only thing that happens after typing an incorrectly spelled word >then a space is a short hard disc access. > O.K. let's do some serious guesswork. Click on "Dictionary..." in the "Spellcheck"-menu and check if Your !MainDict is ticked. If it is not we're lucky. Tick it, click on "OK" and save the document "as default". It is also possible to set dictionaries in "!OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom", we use: setmaindictionary("!UCS_D"); setuserdictionary("!UserDict"); for our german distribution, so our customers get german spellchecks automagically. [snipped, presumed unrelated] >(don't ask me why they are unplugged!) Probably because You have newer ToolBox-Mod's in Your !System. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 20:16:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89436 for opro ; Tue, 16 Feb 99 20:16:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919192977:20:05283:16; Tue, 16 Feb 99 19:22:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117462; 16 Feb 99 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03647 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:01:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA03642 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:01:18 GMT Received: from (194.69.96.74) [194.69.96.74] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10CpkX-0006hj-00; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:01:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(John Clegg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Feb 99 23:35:55 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Interactive spellcheck Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 14 Feb 99 (21:33:09 +0000), eat@globalnet.co.uk wrote: > On 14 Feb, John Clegg wrote: > > I'm sure this used to work but it certainly doesn't now. > > Silly question but you have got your speakers turned on have you? :-) > > Tim Crapnell. > Not such a silly question, that was it! Usually only bother to switch them on when I'm listening to a CD. I have now re-read again the relevant bit of the manual and realise that all I should have been expecting was a beep! I was expecting the spellcheck dialogue box to pop up at an unrecognised word - I'm sure some package or other I have used did that. However it must be and older one (Impression??) as the only other I've been using recently is Easiwriter and that just beeps as well. Thanks for taking the trouble to reply John -- _____ ______ ____________________________________ /_ _// __/ /__ __ __ __ __ / John Clegg jclegg@argonet.co.uk __/ / / /_/ / ._) _ ` / _ ` / / in Chorley, Lancashire, England /___/./___/_/\__/\__, /\__, / / Ribble Link pages at: ________________ /___/ /___/___/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jclegg/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 20:54:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89452 for opro ; Tue, 16 Feb 99 20:54:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919197395:20:29766:23; Tue, 16 Feb 99 20:36:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110715; 16 Feb 99 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA03777 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:20:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03772 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:20:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10CqzG-00036M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:20:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 99 18:16:04 GMT Message-Id: <89432@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Interactive spellcheck X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>ticked, the only thing that happens after typing an incorrectly spelled word >>then a space is a short hard disc access. I'd interpret that as loading a dictionary. How about some ways of spell checking that don't rely on the sound system e.g. try checking the story or turn on spell errors from the view menu. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 14:21:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89476 for opro ; Wed, 17 Feb 99 14:21:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919227412:10:07974:15; Wed, 17 Feb 99 04:56:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126834; 17 Feb 99 4:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA04280 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:36:02 GMT Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA04275 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:35:45 GMT Received: from xtr474144.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.106.37]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990217043558.FJZK2899623.mta2-rme@xtr474144.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:35:58 +1300 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:39:21 +1300 (BST) From: Rob Sinclair Subject: Re: Flipping Objects To: OP list In-Reply-To: <004a01be5913$586de3c0$ab356d01@wallace> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 16 Feb, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Sinclair > To: OP list > Date: Tuesday, 16 February 1999 4.05 am > Subject: Flipping Objects > > > >I need to print posters as reversed images on the back of transparent > >material. To reverse the image (i.e. flip it in the X-axis), I set the > >aspect ratio to -100. However, simply changing the number in the picture > [snip] > > >Is there a better way to flip an image within OPro? (i'm using v2.50) > > File>Print dialogue, tick "Reflect" reverses the whole page. Wouldn't that > be simpler, or am I missing something? > Yes, it certainly would! Thanks. I didn't think of this because I wanted to see the result on screen showing the image relative to the printer margins and page limits, before committing to print. The Novajet driver doesn't always position the print where it should, and with prints worth 100 dollars each, I don't want mistakes. So I'll try the reflect method on a small sample! Thanks also to Ernst for similar advice and to Martin re "Centre lock". -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions - Large Format Digital Graphics PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 19:09:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89504 for opro ; Wed, 17 Feb 99 19:09:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919276053:10:07067:16; Wed, 17 Feb 99 18:27:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113350; 17 Feb 99 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA04921 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:06:40 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04916 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:06:24 GMT Received: from [158.152.123.49] (helo=retreat.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10DBMn-0005LT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:06:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:49:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: Flip chart style pamphlet To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <88836@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Thanks to those who replied to my problem and to Derrick Lack who sent me an OvPro file by e-mail On Sat 06 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > As to the problem, how to get a landscape A5 document printed across A4. so that it works as a top hinged pamphlet. > In general the problem is imposition. The solution is to take the existing > pamphlet script and modify it to do what you want. > Yes, well.. I did look at the script and being willing to learn I tried changing values but gave up realising that suck-it-and-see is not a way to write scripts :-) The way I did it eventually was: Start New document - A5 sideways, no master frame but in Master Page put frame guidlines where the frames will go. In Document window create text frame to fit the guidelines. Make small frame for page number. Use Ctrl N to insert page number. Create any Header and Footer frames and group the whole page. Insert as many new pages after Page 1 as needed and copy the empty Page 1 group into all of them. This gives correct page numbering. Do your document text etc. but without flow linking page to page. To rotate for printing: CtrlE to edit master page - Page guidelines.... untick "Sideways" Then with first page open Shift-Ctrl A to select all Shift - Ctrl K to group F7 to open "Modify Object", change Angle to 90 deg. Click OK and reposition into rotated guidelines. Then pamphlet print as usual. *Now* someone will tell me they've just done an applet to make it a one click operation ... :-) But is was interesting seeing how the scripts work. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 20:37:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89507 for opro ; Wed, 17 Feb 99 20:37:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919281343:10:21808:19; Wed, 17 Feb 99 19:55:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100162; 17 Feb 99 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05348 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:41:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA05343 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:41:08 GMT Received: from (194.69.99.37) [194.69.99.37] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10DCqr-0006bP-00; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:41:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(John Clegg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 19:14:44 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Interactive spellcheck Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 16 Feb 99 (18:16:04), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >>ticked, the only thing that happens after typing an incorrectly > >>spelled word then a space is a short hard disc access. > > I'd interpret that as loading a dictionary. I did think that but the sequence of events was: 1. my faulty memory, 2. blind panic that something was wrong, 3. blind spot while re-reading the manual. > How about some ways of spell checking that don't rely on the sound > system > e.g. try checking the story or turn on spell errors from the view menu. > Yes, it all work the way it should, pity about me! And now it could be worse, this evening the garage door was coming down as my head was coming up - stars!?! >:-( BTW I received a flyer from BEEBUG today announcing "new official version 2.52" If I remember correctly you said here a while ago there was little point upgrading from v. 2.51 - is that still the case? Thanks, John -- _____ ______ ____________________________________ /_ _// __/ /__ __ __ __ __ / John Clegg jclegg@argonet.co.uk __/ / / /_/ / ._) _ ` / _ ` / / in Chorley, Lancashire, England /___/./___/_/\__/\__, /\__, / / Ribble Link pages at: ________________ /___/ /___/___/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jclegg/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 18 13:43:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89544 for opro ; Thu, 18 Feb 99 13:43:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919310311:10:29949:17; Thu, 18 Feb 99 03:58:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029685; 18 Feb 99 3:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA05862 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 03:28:40 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA05854 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 03:28:19 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10DK8z-0000Fe-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 03:28:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 02:01:32 GMT Message-Id: <89528@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Flip chart style pamphlet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >*Now* someone will tell me they've just done an applet to make it a one >click operation ... :-) >But is was interesting seeing how the scripts work. A nice program someone could do would be a graphical designer for imposition formats. You'd design your format, and it would then produce the scripts for you. A couple of people have said they'd like to do this, but it's never appeared. It'd be a nice challenge for someone. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 18 17:41:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89558 for opro ; Thu, 18 Feb 99 17:40:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919347844:10:02453:24; Thu, 18 Feb 99 14:24:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105315; 18 Feb 99 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA06355 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:38:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA06350 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:38:13 GMT Received: from (193.149.68.197) [193.149.68.197] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10DTfM-000615-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:38:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Willington) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 08:01:07 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Interactive spellcheck Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 17 Feb 99 (19:14:44), jclegg@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >BTW I received a flyer from BEEBUG today announcing "new official >version 2.52" If I remember correctly you said here a while ago there >was little point upgrading from v. 2.51 - is that still the case? Furthermore would it cut us off from any further upgrades via the web? Dave W. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ DJW@argonet.co.uk Dave Willington, Harrow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 18 18:44:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89567 for opro ; Thu, 18 Feb 99 18:44:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919363138:20:17120:20; Thu, 18 Feb 99 18:38:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107795; 18 Feb 99 18:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA06680 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:12:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA06675 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:11:48 GMT Received: from (193.149.94.161) [193.149.94.161] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10DXw9-0003ud-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:12:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 18:13:25 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: What am I doing wrong? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is, by comparison with the usual deep matters considered in this group, a rather trivial matter. I cannot get to grips with the use of styles. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. Example: I had a text which was a conversation. I thought it might be nice to have the characters names in Italics. Like this. [italic]Ms.Brown: [normal]Good morning, How are you? [italic]Mr.Smith [normal]Fine! How about a coffee? As I had already typed in a text of about 10 A4 pages it seemed to me that this must be an ideal time to use the magical 'Styles'. So I defined a style called name which was italic [and red so I could easily check if it worked] the style applied to 'selection'. Then using the Applet Replace with effect I began to replace all the MrsBrown and MrSmith with the same names but in the style 'name'. It seemed to work... but only for about half of the document. For the rest of the document (which had been typed in at a different time) the style remained unchanged. If I try to apply the new style directly in the area of the text nothing happens, it will not change from the original body text. Clearly there is something I did in the first half of the text and didn't do in the second half. Or vice versa. Has anyone a magic solution to offer? It IS possible to manually change each occurrance of the words into italica and red..[not using styles] but it is rather boring doing it. I suppose I'm doing something stupid? And I have RTFM, I think reading all the relevant sections. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 18 21:13:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89572 for opro ; Thu, 18 Feb 99 21:13:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919364860:20:10711:16; Thu, 18 Feb 99 19:07:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010645; 18 Feb 99 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA06771 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:47:28 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06765 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:47:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10DYVM-0009Ih-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:48:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 17:43:43 GMT Message-Id: <89563@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Interactive spellcheck X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>BTW I received a flyer from BEEBUG today announcing "new official >>version 2.52" If I remember correctly you said here a while ago there >>was little point upgrading from v. 2.51 - is that still the case? >Furthermore would it cut us off from any further upgrades via the web? I can assure you that any further web upgrades will be based on 2.52. The question you should ask is if further web upgrades will also work on 2.46, because by not allowing that we could force you all to buy the 2.52 upgrade... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 18 21:13:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89576 for opro ; Thu, 18 Feb 99 21:13:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919368035:10:03805:17; Thu, 18 Feb 99 20:00:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003754; 18 Feb 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA06950 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:38:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA06945 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:38:20 GMT Received: from (194.69.96.176) [194.69.96.176] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10DZHt-0006AW-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:39:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:49:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d577fe98ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Re: Remote Graphics Insertion... In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Brian O'Carroll wrote: [snip intro] > What I would dearly like to be able to do is to keep the header an footer > graphics on disk in a Library directory and just keep some kind of pointer > to them in the graphics frames in the document ... [snip] Sorry to add a "me too", but I would also find this very useful, as I maintain various types of stationary that use the same headings, logos etc. > Does anyone believe they could write an Applet to do this? If anyone is thinking about this, a nice extension for me would be to maintain within the document, a scaling factor. Eg, I might use a full size graphic in a heading at the top of an A4 poster, and will use the same graphic /scaled down/, on top of tickets or handouts printed 4 or 6 to a page. So in various documents I would like to reference the same graphic, but have it rendered at a specified size, IYSWIM. > Or is this impossible? Here's hoping. Cheers, *** Ken *** -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / "40 is not old. Embarrassing, but not old!" | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | / ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk in W. Yorkshire ___________________________/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ken.mcnaught/ WEB: Read about my great grand father: "The (other) man in the Iron Mask!" and link to the "Knottingley Concert Brass" band site. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 18 21:13:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89578 for opro ; Thu, 18 Feb 99 21:13:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919372114:20:09968:18; Thu, 18 Feb 99 21:08:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115831; 18 Feb 99 21:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA07156 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:55:08 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07151 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:54:54 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.14.177]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA4359 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:47:04 +0000 Message-ID: <36CCEF57.96C@net.ntl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:57:59 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Interactive spellcheck References: <89563@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > The question you should ask is if further web upgrades will also work on > 2.46, because by not allowing that we could force you all to buy the 2.52 > upgrade... > You did offer ... will further web upgrades also work on 2.46? -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 18 22:15:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89583 for opro ; Thu, 18 Feb 99 22:15:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919373417:20:25313:28; Thu, 18 Feb 99 21:30:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025434; 18 Feb 99 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA07193 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:59:07 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07187 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:58:55 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.14.177]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA5122 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:51:03 +0000 Message-ID: <36CCF047.18CD@net.ntl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:01:59 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Remote Graphics Insertion... References: <48d577fe98ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ken wrote: > > Sorry to add a "me too", but I would also find this very useful, as I > maintain various types of stationary that use the same headings, logos etc. > And in mail merge too... e.g. Forename,Surname,{passport picture},Address etc ie. maybe the CSV scan code could interpret syntax within the {} naming the file, with its scaling factor etc or whatever info DDF might generate for an embedded graphic -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 18 22:15:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89584 for opro ; Thu, 18 Feb 99 22:15:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919374479:10:09114:16; Thu, 18 Feb 99 21:47:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009064; 18 Feb 99 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA07338 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:25:00 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA07333 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:24:42 GMT Received: from [193.237.223.106] (helo=bigbo.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Daws-0003CG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:25:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:23:12 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: What am I doing wrong? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Thick Toilet Cleaner X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 18 Feb, Mr R O Davis wrote: > This is, by comparison with the usual deep matters considered in this > group, a rather trivial matter. > > I cannot get to grips with the use of styles. Sometimes they work and sometimes > they don't. > > Example: I had a text which was a conversation. I thought it might be nice to > have the characters names in Italics. Like this. > [italic]Ms.Brown: [normal]Good morning, How are you? > [italic]Mr.Smith [normal]Fine! How about a coffee? > > As I had already typed in a text of about 10 A4 pages it seemed to me > that this must be an ideal time to use the magical 'Styles'. > So I defined a style called name which was italic [and red so I could > easily check if it worked] the style applied to 'selection'. > Then using the Applet Replace with effect I began to replace all the > MrsBrown and MrSmith with the same names but in the style 'name'. > It seemed to work... but only for about half of the document. For the > rest of the document (which had been typed in at a different time) > the style remained unchanged. If I try to apply the new style > directly in the area of the text nothing happens, it will not change > from the original body text. Clearly there is something I did in the > first half of the text and didn't do in the second half. Or vice > versa. Has anyone a magic solution to offer? > > It IS possible to manually change each occurrance of the words into > italica and red..[not using styles] but it is rather boring doing it. > > I suppose I'm doing something stupid? And I have RTFM, I think reading > all the relevant sections. > You've probably got an effect set in the section which will not accept your new style. Select the section, go to style menu and use 'remove effects' optoion. John Bodiam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 19 01:25:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89587 for opro ; Fri, 19 Feb 99 01:25:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919377279:20:11467:34; Thu, 18 Feb 99 22:34:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011263; 18 Feb 99 22:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA07539 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:20:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA07534 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:19:46 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10DbpE-0009ao-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:21:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 21:32:19 GMT Message-Id: <89579@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Interactive spellcheck X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >You did offer ... will further web upgrades also work on 2.46? I've no idea. As it stands I'd be inclined to want them to. 2.51 has been free, so why should you have to pay for further modest improvements. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 19 02:50:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89609 for opro ; Fri, 19 Feb 99 02:50:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919386559:10:22049:15; Fri, 19 Feb 99 01:09:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021656; 19 Feb 99 1:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA07788 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:56:07 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA07782 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:55:51 GMT Received: from Dave..zetnet.co.uk (manr-030.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.160]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24411 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:56:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:53:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Interactive spellcheck Message-ID: <48d69089b0davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <89579@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <89579@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <89579@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >You did offer ... will further web upgrades also work on 2.46? > I've no idea. As it stands I'd be inclined to want them to. > 2.51 has been free, so why should you have to pay for further > modest improvements. To be honest, David, having received 2.47 ... 2.51 free of charge, I consider 13.95 ukp to be a small price to pay if it means receiving future free updates. If the money were going directly to you I'm sure the majority on this mailing list would be preparing to send you the money now. It would also be consistent with the previous stance of providing upgrades that only work on the latest release version. Having said that, if, AISTR you saying before, none of the upgrade money is being earmarked to pay for further development, then there's little chance of Beebug getting my money before an upgrade appears that I want enough to value it at that price. Catch-22, methinks Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 19 13:47:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89617 for opro ; Fri, 19 Feb 99 13:47:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919429099:20:05251:23; Fri, 19 Feb 99 12:58:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005212; 19 Feb 99 12:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA08288 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:07:58 GMT Received: from metis.salford.ac.uk (metis.salford.ac.uk [146.87.232.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA08283 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:07:42 GMT Received: (qmail 13496 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 1999 12:08:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990219120838.13495.qmail@metis.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 13490 invoked from network); 19 Feb 1999 12:08:38 -0000 Received: from host-0467.maxwell.salford.ac.uk (HELO Unknown) (146.87.121.211) by metis.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 19 Feb 1999 12:08:38 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Peter Daniel" Organization: University of Salford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:10:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Font question X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro First I apologize for this not being directly related to OvationPro.... Does anyone know of any Acorn software (preferably free!) that will convert PC true-type fonts into Acorn ones? Thanks, Peter. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit my web-site: http://compsoc.man.ac.uk/~ulkesh/peter/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 19 16:53:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89634 for opro ; Fri, 19 Feb 99 16:53:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919434264:20:14684:22; Fri, 19 Feb 99 14:24:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014630; 19 Feb 99 14:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA08496 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:40:08 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (sams@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08491 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:39:50 GMT Received: from localhost (sams@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21921 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:44:38 GMT Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:44:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font question In-Reply-To: <19990219120838.13495.qmail@metis.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Peter Daniel wrote: > Does anyone know of any Acorn software (preferably free!) that will > convert PC true-type fonts into Acorn ones? Free. No. For 50 UKP, the Electronic Font Foundry will help you with their software. If you just want one font doing, they do do font conversions on a font by font basis. Cheers Sam -- Sam Smith (at University) Admin, Friends Spoiler List <> Columnist, Archive Magazine mailto:SamS@Techie.com http://compsoc.man.ac.uk/~sams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 19 18:44:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89646 for opro ; Fri, 19 Feb 99 18:44:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919449310:10:27445:15; Fri, 19 Feb 99 18:35:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027410; 19 Feb 99 18:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA08856 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:11:36 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA08851 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:11:20 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.59) [193.149.75.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10DuPI-0004CY-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:12:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:11:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d6ef97ecowlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Font question User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Sam Smith wrote: > If you just want one font doing, they do do font conversions > on a font by font basis. Or, if you just want a couple doing, send them to me and I'll convert them for you, since I already have a copy of EFF's TrueType Convertor, and very good it is too! -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. 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Version 1.76 added "matched pair" block quoting; version 1.77 extends this to bracketing and continental stye =A1! and =BF? pairs. --=20 Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 22 21:07:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89770 for opro ; Mon, 22 Feb 99 21:07:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919715328:20:22266:22; Mon, 22 Feb 99 20:28:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114435; 22 Feb 99 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA13109 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:04:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA13104 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:03:48 GMT Received: from (193.149.76.178) [193.149.76.178] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10F1a5-00078g-00; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:03:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(John Clegg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 23:35:02 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: IdxPro applet Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've downloaded IdxPro, Xref and Endnotes Applets and after installing them= have been trying out the new facilities.However, I noticed that ^X (Cu= t text) and Edit>Cut text had stopped working although ^X = (Cut Text frame) and Edit>Cut Text frame still work.I = disabled the new applets and re-enabled them one at a time, tracking the pr= oblem down to IdxPro (v. 1.03).I can't remember seeing this mentioned b= efore - anyone else getting this problem?John-- ___= __ ______ ____________________________________ /_ = _// __/ /__ __ __ __ __ / John Clegg jclegg@argonet.co.uk __/ / = / /_/ / ._) _ ` / _ ` / / in Chorley, Lancashire, England /___/./___/= _/\__/\__, /\__, / / Ribble Link pages at:________________ /___/ /__= _/___/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jclegg/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 23:11:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89867 for opro ; Tue, 23 Feb 99 23:11:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919803749:10:04756:15; Tue, 23 Feb 99 21:02:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103072; 23 Feb 99 21:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14440 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:24:01 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA14425 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:23:36 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10FON3-0001da-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:23:58 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:24:52 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:56:40 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: printers marks Message-ID: <28878d948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am currently printing a job to postscript but only two of the crop marks are showing on left side. All others do not show when viewed in Ghostscript. I do have printers marks selected and I have all 4 marks selected inc. registration marks which have printed ok. Any thoughts? -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 23:11:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89868 for opro ; Tue, 23 Feb 99 23:11:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919803318:20:08399:16; Tue, 23 Feb 99 20:55:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100059; 23 Feb 99 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14446 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:24:31 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA14430 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:23:45 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10FONC-0001gP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:24:06 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:24:53 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:21:52 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Composite file not outputting in colour Message-ID: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am currently outputting a job via postscript at my local bureau. I provided them with a composite file for them to proof via their dryjet printer(as they call it). If the colour was good on this I was then going to provide separations from the same document. However, they could not get this file to print in colour, just monochrome. They have tried to suggest that this is because I have RGB images in the file. This of course is nonsense, as we all know that OPro converts everything to cmyk, and further, I have output a composite postscript file to the very same dryjet printer once before, not so long ago, and all was glorious technicolor. ( the reason I was proofing in this manner was because it is both cheaper, and actually gives better results than chromalin) Anyone got any thoughts on what might be going wrong? I have had to provide them with separations so they can provide me with a chromalin instead. Does anyone know what Mac software their bureau uses to handle raw postscript files to send them to the imagesetter or straight to a printer? Receiving raw PS files seems to be a first for this bureau. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 23:11:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89870 for opro ; Tue, 23 Feb 99 23:11:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919803471:20:10395:15; Tue, 23 Feb 99 20:57:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010316; 23 Feb 99 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14447 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:24:31 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA14434 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:23:48 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10FONG-000C70-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:24:10 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:24:54 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:07:54 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: two blank separation being printed Message-ID: <358e9d948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am currently outputting a file to separations. Because of the size of this file I cannot print the four seps as one file because it won't fit on a zip disc. So I have had to output the seps in pairs i.e. I have printed to file black and cyan, and then magenta and yellow. I created this file as two pages, but as they are the front and back of a brochure I wanted them to be side by side on one A3 to make it easier for the printer. So I printed them using pamphlet mode. This gave the desired effect, but also produced two extra blank separations. This occurred for both of the above files. I don't understand why this has happened. Any thoughts? -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* ** Warning: bad work file ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 14:00:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89908 for opro ; Wed, 24 Feb 99 14:00:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919825196:10:11167:15; Wed, 24 Feb 99 02:59:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104078; 24 Feb 99 2:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA15085 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:47:09 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA15080 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:46:55 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10FUM4-000BNx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:47:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 99 02:38:25 GMT Message-Id: <89899@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printers marks X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I am currently printing a job to postscript but only two >of the crop marks are showing on left side. Page size cropping? Or something horrible to do with paper sizes/ orientation. >However, they could not get this file to >print in colour, just monochrome. They >have tried to suggest that this is because >I have RGB images in the file. This of course >is nonsense, as we all know that OPro converts >everything to cmyk, Oh no it doesn't, not when you print composite, how can it? RISC OS only supports RGB printing. The only case where printing can be CMYK from an application is CC's Turbos. >for the printer. So I printed them using pamphlet >mode. This gave the desired effect, but also produced >two extra blank separations. Have a look at the print window 'print sheet' window, which will let you step through just what should be on each sheet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 14:02:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89914 for opro ; Wed, 24 Feb 99 14:02:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919863975:10:10971:17; Wed, 24 Feb 99 13:46:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010847; 24 Feb 99 13:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA15507 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:00:05 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15502 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:59:41 GMT Received: from modem-53.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.12.53] helo=wallace) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10FdvA-0005WH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:00:12 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01be5ff5$9d1e7dc0$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Composite file not outputting in colour Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:00:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan wrote: >I am currently outputting a job via postscript >at my local bureau. I provided them with a >composite file for them to proof via their >dryjet printer(as they call it). If the colour >was good on this I was then going to provide >separations from the same document. > >However, they could not get this file to >print in colour, just monochrome. They > >Anyone got any thoughts on what might be going >wrong? I hope I'm not insulting your intelligence, but you have got 'colour' ticked in the !Printers configuration window? It's all too easy to just use one's regular mono PDF as used for seps and wonder why the application is only printing mono when it's set to composite - I know I've been caught out before, as have other experienced publishers on this list (whose blushes I shall spare ;-) >Does anyone know what Mac software their bureau >uses to handle raw postscript files to send them >to the imagesetter or straight to a printer? >Receiving raw PS files seems to be a first >for this bureau. My bureau tends to use the simple PS font downloader - it seems to take any old PS chucked at it and pass it to the RIP for the imagesetter. Having said that I have had some trouble with downloading files to an Indigo digital press (as mentioned in my latest AP article), which we've established is due to the different downloader used for that. YMMV. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Proprietor, Pinxit Design ~ for Internet and print media PhD research student, Physics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 17:48:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89937 for opro ; Wed, 24 Feb 99 17:48:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919870338:10:06322:16; Wed, 24 Feb 99 15:32:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006186; 24 Feb 99 15:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA15706 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:40:52 GMT Received: from crystal.adgrafix.com (crystal.adgrafix.com [208.230.143.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15701 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:40:31 GMT Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (lon-c45-054-vty146.as.wcom.net [195.232.28.146]) by crystal.adgrafix.com (8.9.0/8.9. Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:34:32 +0000 From: Michael Launhardt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printers marks Message-ID: <6f5d74d948%M.Launhardt@elkmusic.com> In-Reply-To: <28878d948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Elk Music X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 23 Feb Alan Muscat wrote: > > I am currently printing a job to postscript but only two > of the crop marks are showing on left side. All others > do not show when viewed in Ghostscript. I do have printers > marks selected and I have all 4 marks selected inc. > registration marks which have printed ok. > > Any thoughts? I had the very same problem with crop marks in most of my documents when viewed in Ghostscript. They also didn't show on a printout (with a non-postscript printer, I have to admit) But when I sent the postscript files to the bureau everything seemed to be in place and no crop marks were missing. So I'm equally puzzled. Michael Launhardt ____________________________________________________________________ mail: M.Launhardt@elkmusic.com web: http://www.elkmusic.com phone: +31-20-6371890 +49-2238-925306 +49-172-2938061 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 22:04:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89960 for opro ; Wed, 24 Feb 99 22:04:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919891015:10:22131:15; Wed, 24 Feb 99 21:16:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1112578; 24 Feb 99 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA16087 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:53:31 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA16077 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:53:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10FlJL-000J9c-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:53:39 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:58:39 GMT Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:55:53 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Composite file not outputting in colour Message-ID: <9a4a8cd948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <002a01be5ff5$9d1e7dc0$ab356d01@wallace> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <002a01be5ff5$9d1e7dc0$ab356d01@wallace> you wrote: > Alan wrote: > > >I am currently outputting a job via postscript > >at my local bureau. I provided them with a > >composite file for them to proof via their > >dryjet printer(as they call it). If the colour > >was good on this I was then going to provide > >separations from the same document. > > > >However, they could not get this file to > >print in colour, just monochrome. They > > > >Anyone got any thoughts on what might be going > >wrong? > > I hope I'm not insulting your intelligence, but you have got 'colour' ticked > in the !Printers configuration window? It's all too easy to just use one's > regular mono PDF as used for seps and wonder why the application is only > printing mono when it's set to composite - I know I've been caught out > before, as have other experienced publishers on this list (whose blushes I > shall spare ;-) I don't mind you mentioning this point at all, because it is so easy to forget, so much so that I do have one PDF for colour and one for mono, named accordingly, to help me remember. But I did use the right one on this occassion and viewing in GS shows lovely colour. As it happens they have had success with the separations and have produced a fine looking chromalin. > > >Does anyone know what Mac software their bureau > >uses to handle raw postscript files to send them > >to the imagesetter or straight to a printer? > >Receiving raw PS files seems to be a first > >for this bureau. > > My bureau tends to use the simple PS font downloader - it seems to take any > old PS chucked at it and pass it to the RIP for the imagesetter. > > Having said that I have had some trouble with downloading files to an Indigo > digital press (as mentioned in my latest AP article), which we've > established is due to the different downloader used for that. YMMV. Perhaps this is something that could be taken up and disscussed in AP. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 22:04:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89961 for opro ; Wed, 24 Feb 99 22:04:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919891018:20:29899:19; Wed, 24 Feb 99 21:16:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119672; 24 Feb 99 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA16089 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:53:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA16082 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:53:19 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10FlJY-0007li-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:53:53 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:54:55 GMT Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:35:45 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printers marks Message-ID: <3af18fd948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <89899@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <89899@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hi, > > >I am currently printing a job to postscript but only two > >of the crop marks are showing on left side. > > Page size cropping? Or something horrible to do with paper sizes/ > orientation. Definitely not, which is confirmed by the fact that the registration marks are there. I gave the A3 size an extra 15mm in both dimensions. > > > >However, they could not get this file to > >print in colour, just monochrome. They > >have tried to suggest that this is because > >I have RGB images in the file. This of course > >is nonsense, as we all know that OPro converts > >everything to cmyk, > > Oh no it doesn't, not when you print composite, how can it? > RISC OS only supports RGB printing. The only case where > printing can be CMYK from an application is CC's Turbos. MMM. Obviously a hole in my paradigm. I figured that a similar thing to sending an RGB file to my desktop printer was taking place when I sent a composite file to postscript. But it must be that the desktop printer converts to cmyk. OK so OPro only converts RGB objects to cmyk when printing separations. Yes? So if all objects are already in cmyk then what happens to them if printed to a composite postcript file? It was a file such as this that gave success printing to the Dryjet printer at the bureau. Also would it be possible for a bureau to take such a composite file and output separations from it, rather than doing it myself? Presumably not. > > > > >for the printer. So I printed them using pamphlet > >mode. This gave the desired effect, but also produced > >two extra blank separations. > > Have a look at the print window 'print sheet' window, > which will let you step through just what should be on each sheet. I'll have a look at this. Would 'printers pairs' have been useful in this situation? -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 25 01:29:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89979 for opro ; Thu, 25 Feb 99 01:29:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919896253:20:10495:15; Wed, 24 Feb 99 22:44:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010443; 24 Feb 99 22:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA16339 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:20:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA16334 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:20:42 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.146) [193.149.69.146] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Fmg9-0006NZ-00; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:21:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:07:07 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Official Version 2.52 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have just had a mail shot from Beebug offering an Official Upgrade to version 2.52 for about 11ukp. I already run a downloaded version 2.51 which I presume is unofficial. Does anyone know if it is worth my while to upgrade? Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 25 01:29:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89983 for opro ; Thu, 25 Feb 99 01:29:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919905593:20:11400:16; Thu, 25 Feb 99 01:19:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123251; 25 Feb 99 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA16525 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:01:16 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA16520 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:00:58 GMT Received: (qmail 6836 invoked from network); 25 Feb 1999 01:01:52 -0000 Received: from 66-231.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.231) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 1999 01:01:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:48:16 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: two blank separation being printed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <358e9d948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <358e9d948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Alan Muscat wrote: > I created this file as two pages, but as they are > the front and back of a brochure I wanted them > to be side by side on one A3 to make it easier > for the printer. So I printed them using pamphlet > mode. This gave the desired effect, but also produced > two extra blank separations. This occurred for both > of the above files. I don't understand why this has > happened. Any thoughts? I reckon it's because of this... OvationPro Pamphlet mode is clever: it knows that all pamphlets must have a multiple of 4 pages. When you print the whole document as a pamphlet it assumes the two printed pages must be backed by two blank pages. This is of no use to you when you're printing just two pages, but when printing a pamplet with lots an lots of pages it is essential in order to get the right backs printed on the right fronts. The solution for you is.... either ... use 'Printers Pairs' in stead of 'Pamphlet' (I think this is what it's intended for, although I've never had a use for it myself) or ... use 'Print Sheet' in 'Pamphlet mode' selecting whichever side shows the two pages you've got work on or ....use 'Thumbnails' 100%, sideways, 1x2 paper area for A3 paper Might need to check that the printer driver's A3 paper size is compatible with OvationPro's A4 paper size to fit them on at 100% Does one of those work? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 25 03:12:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90003 for opro ; Thu, 25 Feb 99 03:12:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919910314:10:09309:15; Thu, 25 Feb 99 02:38:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102453; 25 Feb 99 2:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA16710 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:22:10 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA16705 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:21:56 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10FqRe-00012Y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:22:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 99 22:43:15 GMT Message-Id: <89975@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printers marks X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Oh no it doesn't, not when you print composite, how can it? >> RISC OS only supports RGB printing. The only case where >> printing can be CMYK from an application is CC's Turbos. >But it must be that the desktop printer converts to cmyk. OK so OPro only >converts RGB objects to cmyk when printing separations. Yes? Yes, a program can only print in RGB, seps are a special case because you effectively output a greyscale (R==G==B) image for each one. >So if all objects are already in cmyk then what happens >to them if printed to a composite postcript file? They get converted to RGB (just as for screen rendering). >Also would it be possible for a bureau to take such a composite >file and output separations from it, rather than doing it myself? Probably, as long as you set off with all RGB objects, it would be no different to OPro doing the conversion. However CMYK is going to get messed up CMYK -> RGB -> CMYK. >I'll have a look at this. Would 'printers pairs' have been useful >in this situation? I'm not so sure, because I think they are a trivial extension of pamphlet printing, just not setting the scale. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 25 03:12:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90004 for opro ; Thu, 25 Feb 99 03:12:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919910652:10:13616:20; Thu, 25 Feb 99 02:44:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013591; 25 Feb 99 2:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA16742 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:27:52 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA16737 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:27:38 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10FqX7-00012Y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:28:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 99 02:14:48 GMT Message-Id: <89996@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Official Version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have just had a mail shot from Beebug offering an Official Upgrade to version >2.52 for about 11ukp. I already run a downloaded version 2.51 which I presume >is unofficial. Does anyone know if it is worth my while to upgrade? In terms of features or bug fixes I wouldn't think it was, but if it sets your mind at rest having something solid on disc... Presumeably by now someone has bought this upgrade, and can tell us if it was worth it? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 25 13:48:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90019 for opro ; Thu, 25 Feb 99 13:48:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919943685:20:17273:15; Thu, 25 Feb 99 11:54:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017206; 25 Feb 99 11:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA17300 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:50:22 GMT Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (root@halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17291 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:49:59 GMT Received: from koalasft.pnc.com.au (d20-nas1.Pen.pnc.com.au [203.57.114.20]) by halibut.pnc.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id V Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:04:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Jones Subject: Re: Official Version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <89996@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 25 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I have just had a mail shot from Beebug offering an Official Upgrade to version > >2.52 for about 11ukp. I already run a downloaded version 2.51 which I presume > >is unofficial. Does anyone know if it is worth my while to upgrade? > > In terms of features or bug fixes I wouldn't think it was, but if > it sets your mind at rest having something solid on disc... > > Presumeably by now someone has bought this upgrade, and can tell > us if it was worth it? > > > > David Pilling Don't know about any pther benefits but I was told on Tuesday that the discs are now protected. In what way, I don't know yet but I can tell you it is going to be a bit of a B//t#34 for down here... I have some on the way over, or will have in a day or two. I will let you know. Cheers Alan ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Product Manager | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** Windows: Just another pane in the glass. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 25 13:49:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90021 for opro ; Thu, 25 Feb 99 13:49:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919928486:10:07078:20; Thu, 25 Feb 99 07:41:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110774; 25 Feb 99 7:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA17057 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:13:03 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA17052 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:12:46 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA14490 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:13:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199902250713.IAA14490@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 24 Feb 1999 17:19:32 GMT Subject: Re: printers marks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >On 23 Feb Alan Muscat wrote: > >> >> I am currently printing a job to postscript but only two >> of the crop marks are showing on left side. All others >> do not show when viewed in Ghostscript. I do have printers >> marks selected and I have all 4 marks selected inc. >> registration marks which have printed ok. >> >> Any thoughts? > >I had the very same problem with crop marks in most of my documents when >viewed in Ghostscript. They also didn't show on a printout (with a >non-postscript printer, I have to admit) But when I sent the postscript files >to the bureau everything seemed to be in place and no crop marks were >missing. > Could be that the crop marks fail to render in Ghostscript due to them being rather thin by nature ?! Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 25 22:18:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90068 for opro ; Thu, 25 Feb 99 22:18:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919979328:20:04611:15; Thu, 25 Feb 99 21:48:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004589; 25 Feb 99 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA18408 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:10:59 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA18403 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:10:45 GMT Received: from lizard (dialup035.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.197]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA16075 for Message-ID: <36D62D17.63A9@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:11:51 -0800 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Composite file not outputting in colour References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Muscat wrote: > > However, they could not get this file to > print in colour, just monochrome. > > Anyone got any thoughts on what might be going > wrong? > I had something similar - turned out that in the PostScript configuration window I had not got 'Colour' ticked. If you get it right the PostScript file is then four times what it is as monochrome. > Does anyone know what Mac software their bureau > uses to handle raw postscript files to send them > to the imagesetter or straight to a printer? > Receiving raw PS files seems to be a first > for this bureau. > There is something called PSUtils which enables you to send PostScript files to a selected PostScript device. Use the Finder to search the hard disc. That's where it was and just had to be installed. very easy to use. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 25 22:21:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90070 for opro ; Thu, 25 Feb 99 22:21:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919980740:10:00029:16; Thu, 25 Feb 99 22:12:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107944; 25 Feb 99 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA18468 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:40:42 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA18463 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:40:27 GMT Received: from lizard (dialup020.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.52]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA16805 for < Message-ID: <36D6340C.25E7@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:41:32 -0800 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printers marks References: <89975@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >> Oh no it doesn't, not when you print composite, how can it? > >> RISC OS only supports RGB printing. > > >So if all objects are already in cmyk then what happens > >to them if printed to a composite postcript file? > > They get converted to RGB (just as for screen rendering). > > However CMYK is going to > get messed up CMYK -> RGB -> CMYK. > So does this really meany that if you process an image in Photodesk in CMYK, drop it into Ovn Pro and output to PostScript that the CMYK is converted to RGB and back to CMYK again. And if so what does that say about the value of converting RGB to CMYK in Photodesk anyway and how you can exercise any control over colour output? Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 26 01:13:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90074 for opro ; Fri, 26 Feb 99 01:13:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919991007:20:28835:16; Fri, 26 Feb 99 01:03:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122298; 26 Feb 99 1:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA18752 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:39:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA18747 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:39:26 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10GBKA-0000vC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:40:15 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:41:17 GMT Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:41:08 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Composite file not outputting in colour Message-ID: <5f3e2ada48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <36D62D17.63A9@kbnet.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <36D62D17.63A9@kbnet.co.uk> you wrote: > Alan Muscat wrote: > > > > However, they could not get this file to > > print in colour, just monochrome. > > > > Anyone got any thoughts on what might be going > > wrong? > > > I had something similar - turned out that in the PostScript > configuration window I had not got 'Colour' ticked. If you get it right > the PostScript file is then four times what it is as monochrome. Don't I know it; 166mb file. Couldn't even compress it to less than 100mb for a zip disc. Had to output the seps in pairs, but it worked a treat. > > > Does anyone know what Mac software their bureau > > uses to handle raw postscript files to send them > > to the imagesetter or straight to a printer? > > Receiving raw PS files seems to be a first > > for this bureau. > > > There is something called PSUtils which enables you to send PostScript > files to a selected PostScript device. Use the Finder to search the hard > disc. That's where it was and just had to be installed. very easy to > use. Sounds familiar. I'll remember this, but as it happens they seem to have handled the files fine now. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 26 01:13:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90076 for opro ; Fri, 26 Feb 99 01:13:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919991656:20:06647:15; Fri, 26 Feb 99 01:14:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101627; 26 Feb 99 1:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA18743 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:33:14 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA18733 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:32:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10GBDo-00023S-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:33:41 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:25:23 GMT Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:14:46 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printers marks Message-ID: <64d427da48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199902250713.IAA14490@linteuto.teuto.de> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <199902250713.IAA14490@linteuto.teuto.de> you wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: > >On 23 Feb Alan Muscat wrote: > > > >> > >> I am currently printing a job to postscript but only two > >> of the crop marks are showing on left side. All others > >> do not show when viewed in Ghostscript. I do have printers > >> marks selected and I have all 4 marks selected inc. > >> registration marks which have printed ok. > >> > >> Any thoughts? > > > >I had the very same problem with crop marks in most of my documents when > >viewed in Ghostscript. They also didn't show on a printout (with a > >non-postscript printer, I have to admit) But when I sent the postscript files > >to the bureau everything seemed to be in place and no crop marks were > >missing. > > > Could be that the crop marks fail to render in Ghostscript due > to them being rather thin by nature ?! Possibly. In any event they did appear in the proofs. Interestingly there seemed to be overlapping crop and registration marks, and certainly no mis-registration. I wonder if the bureau have somehow put in there own. Something else for me to find out. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 26 03:15:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90092 for opro ; Fri, 26 Feb 99 03:15:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 919992743:10:06509:15; Fri, 26 Feb 99 01:32:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006468; 26 Feb 99 1:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA18745 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:33:23 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA18738 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:32:59 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10GBDv-0007T0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:33:48 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:34:49 GMT Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:32:04 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printers marks Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89975@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <89975@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >> Oh no it doesn't, not when you print composite, how can it? > >> RISC OS only supports RGB printing. The only case where > >> printing can be CMYK from an application is CC's Turbos. > > >But it must be that the desktop printer converts to cmyk. OK so OPro only > >converts RGB objects to cmyk when printing separations. Yes? > > > Yes, a program can only print in RGB, seps are a special case because > you effectively output a greyscale (R==G==B) image for each one. > > > >So if all objects are already in cmyk then what happens > >to them if printed to a composite postcript file? > > They get converted to RGB (just as for screen rendering). But what is in the actual PS file. You see I sent a composite PS file to this dryjet. The file contained cmyk objects and it printed out fine. I sent a composite PS file with rgb images top this same printer and I don't think they got anything. although they did get a monochrome image from the same file using a ordinary mono laser printer. > > > >Also would it be possible for a bureau to take such a composite > >file and output separations from it, rather than doing it myself? > > Probably, as long as you set off with all RGB objects, it would be > no different to OPro doing the conversion. Except that there are different correction tables. >However CMYK is going to > get messed up CMYK -> RGB -> CMYK. > > > >I'll have a look at this. Would 'printers pairs' have been useful > >in this situation? > > I'm not so sure, because I think they are a trivial extension of > pamphlet printing, just not setting the scale. Is there *anyone* who knows exactly what printers pairs does? -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 26 14:01:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90105 for opro ; Fri, 26 Feb 99 14:01:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920003383:20:13244:15; Fri, 26 Feb 99 04:29:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013214; 26 Feb 99 4:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA19172 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:48:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA19164 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:48:25 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10GEH6-0004KS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:49:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 99 03:41:03 GMT Message-Id: <90100@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printers marks X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there *anyone* who knows exactly what printers pairs does? Probably John Wallace who invented them, didn't he document them in the release notes? However I can read code, and I say that printers pairs is identical to pamphlet printing, except it does not force a scale and orientation when selected. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 26 14:02:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90107 for opro ; Fri, 26 Feb 99 14:02:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920029745:20:04050:18; Fri, 26 Feb 99 11:49:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107706; 26 Feb 99 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA19566 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:50:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19561 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:49:45 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10GKqo-0005hF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:50:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:45:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: printers marks To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <36D6340C.25E7@kbnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 26 Feb, Mike Williams wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > > > >> Oh no it doesn't, not when you print composite, how can it? > > >> RISC OS only supports RGB printing. > > > > >So if all objects are already in cmyk then what happens > > >to them if printed to a composite postcript file? > > > > They get converted to RGB (just as for screen rendering). > > > > However CMYK is going to > > get messed up CMYK -> RGB -> CMYK. > > > So does this really meany that if you process an image in Photodesk in > CMYK, drop it into Ovn Pro and output to PostScript that the CMYK is > converted to RGB and back to CMYK again. And if so what does that say > about the value of converting RGB to CMYK in Photodesk anyway and how > you can exercise any control over colour output? This isn't new and not very platform dependend also. If you read some newsgroups on Prepress, Printers etc. you'll notice a change in working methods for some time now. Keeping images etc. as long as possible in RGB or a similar size with a wider colour gamut than CMYK is the trend now. It has benefits when the data are used for other purposes than making seperation films for offset or silkscreen printing. Epson printers for example always start from RGB data to make their own CMYK data, so sending CMYK to them makes it more complicated. With proper ICC profiles and RGB it can be controlled without sending CMYK. Conversions for Web use are better from RGB. It is the best approach anyway; Scanner RGB or CieLab -> Software RGB -> Printer or Rip conversion to CMYK or CcMmYK or Hexachrome. As the Epsons work from RGB I guess the Spacetech drivers also send RGB to them and their quality must be based on better ICC profiles and a good knowledge of the Epson weave techniques etc. I have mentioned it before in a newsgroup that I'm a bit confused about the colour approach of Vantage. The colour model in the software is based on what the printer delivers, so before you start with a job you must be sure that you use the right colour model (if available) and you can't switch to another model midway. It assures a WYSIWYG as there is no colour used that can't be printed but it asks for a redesign as soon as another output is needed. The translation of the used colourmodel to RGB for the monitor will of course restrict the true WYSIWYG. And dropping a Vantage design in Ovation Pro gives another problem. As a dedicated highend software package for a printing machine or technique it is sensible, but for the designer who has to change his output per job I wonder. Maybe I interpreted it all incorrect. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 26 14:04:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90108 for opro ; Fri, 26 Feb 99 14:04:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920004278:10:22930:15; Fri, 26 Feb 99 04:44:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022848; 26 Feb 99 4:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA19170 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:48:47 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA19160 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:48:23 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10GEH4-0004KS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:49:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 99 03:36:33 GMT Message-Id: <90098@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printers marks X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So does this really meany that if you process an image in Photodesk in >CMYK, drop it into Ovn Pro and output to PostScript that the CMYK is >converted to RGB and back to CMYK again. And if so what does that say >about the value of converting RGB to CMYK in Photodesk anyway and how >you can exercise any control over colour output? I hope I've not said the wrong thing, but yes thats what I think it means. Under RISC OS you can only render RGB colours - end of story. (the exceptions to this are CC's Turbos, and I think the Spacetech drivers. OPro supports the former, but not the latter because AFAIK they only do CMYK for bit map printing). Photodesk does a better job than OPro of RGB <-> CMYK so you don't really want OPro doing such conversions. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 26 14:39:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90119 for opro ; Fri, 26 Feb 99 14:39:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920038709:20:09778:16; Fri, 26 Feb 99 14:18:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009087; 26 Feb 99 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA19783 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:28:44 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19778 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:28:26 GMT Received: from modem-1.vancomycin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.91.1] helo=wallace) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10GNKU-00053v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:29:23 +0000 Message-ID: <003101be618c$055f4d00$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Composite file not outputting in colour Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:29:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Having said that I have had some trouble with downloading files to an Indigo >> digital press (as mentioned in my latest AP article), which we've >> established is due to the different downloader used for that. YMMV. > >Perhaps this is something that could be taken up and disscussed in AP. I'll be writing a bit more about my specific example once I've done a bit more research (and once I've shaken off this 'flu :-( ) It'd probably be difficult to write in a useful sense about the subject generically, since different bureaux will use whatever software/hardware they've grown up with. I can only really write about my own experience on that front. That's why I wrote YMMV. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Proprietor, Pinxit Design ~ for Internet and print media PhD research student, Physics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 27 14:35:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90175 for opro ; Sat, 27 Feb 99 14:35:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920108550:20:09746:18; Sat, 27 Feb 99 09:42:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009601; 27 Feb 99 9:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA20623 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:23:05 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20618 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:22:49 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10GfyW-00013D-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:23:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:23:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Tiling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 307 days, 14 hours, 36 minutes, 45 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I want to print an A3 page tiled onto A4 paper. When I've done this with ArtWorks I could specify the amount of overlap I wanted between tiles. If I do it with Ovation Pro there isn't any overlap and doesn't seem to be a way of setting one. Is it possible? Having an overlap of a couple of centimetres may waste paper but sure helps a lot when it comes to fixing the tiles together before photocopying. -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 All great discoveries are made by accident. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 27 14:35:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90182 for opro ; Sat, 27 Feb 99 14:35:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920124989:20:08627:16; Sat, 27 Feb 99 14:16:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008397; 27 Feb 99 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA20927 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:58:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20922 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:58:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10GkGw-0005Vw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:59:15 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:00:16 GMT Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:00:09 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Composite file not outputting in colour Message-ID: <313bf7da48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <003101be618c$055f4d00$ab356d01@wallace> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <003101be618c$055f4d00$ab356d01@wallace> you wrote: > >Perhaps this is something that could be taken up and disscussed in AP. > > I'll be writing a bit more about my specific example once I've done a bit > more research (and once I've shaken off this 'flu :-( ) > > It'd probably be difficult to write in a useful sense about the subject > generically, since different bureaux will use whatever software/hardware > they've grown up with. I can only really write about my own experience on > that front. That's why I wrote YMMV. > Sorry, I don't know what YMMV means. > -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 27 14:35:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90183 for opro ; Sat, 27 Feb 99 14:35:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920125061:20:09360:16; Sat, 27 Feb 99 14:17:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105465; 27 Feb 99 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA20919 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:46:16 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20913 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:45:59 GMT Received: from modem-105.germanium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.15.233] helo=madsoft) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Gk5E-000266-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:47:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:58:03 +0000 From: Mark To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Strong Save Message-ID: <6ba4a4da48%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I am considering writing an Aplet to include StrongED style auto save (Probably the older version, not the latest) in OvationPro. I am fluent in C but I have not written and OvnPro Aplets before and I am interested to know if you think this is likely to be posible/easy, any ideas/tips you've got and what problems I might encounter (Has anyone tryed before). The things I am most unsure about but seem possible from the the pallete aplets are the multi tasking and been called on a regular basis and being notified when a document is closed and in what way. Also keeping track of which document is which and making sure I'm dooing all the docs. As I've written this e-mail I'm slowly realising what I'm letting myself in for but hey, I like a challenge :-) Thanks, Mark Daniel, The Mad Cow. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver form Mad Cow Software Apoclaypse - Cross-platfrom games programming with ease. - Coming to a computer near you SOON E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Hors d'oeuvres--a ham sandwich cut into forty pieces. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 27 20:16:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90228 for opro ; Sat, 27 Feb 99 20:16:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920146680:20:03762:16; Sat, 27 Feb 99 20:18:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003565; 27 Feb 99 20:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA21324 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:01:07 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21318 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:00:53 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Gpw5-0003KZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:02:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 99 19:45:05 GMT Message-Id: <90211@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tiling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I've done this with ArtWorks I could specify the amount of overlap I >wanted between tiles. Everything to do with tiling, is in the file !OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile I spied this bit; int prtilemargin=8504; // 3mm Wish I could remember what it does... In brief either this is it, or you'd have to hack that script to give you the feature. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message