From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 13:58:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86972 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 13:58:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915175847:10:24517:23; Fri, 01 Jan 99 07:30:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024493; 1 Jan 99 7:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA06774 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:19:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA06769 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:19:21 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.67) [193.149.77.67] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zvysW-0004Up-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:20:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:16:52 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 31 Dec 98 (11:37:39 +0000), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >With more I/O filters I could use OP exclusively, and I'm sure other >Acorn users would turn to it as it would allow them to work across >platforms. Indeed: I've always thought that the best way we could use our platform in conjunction with the Real World would be to have the facility to use the same files that everyone elses uses, and transparently load and save them, whether in the field of DTP, graphics, or - as we can (more or less) on the internet. And I would endorse the plea from a previous poster who called for liason with Iota about Word import/export. We've *got* to become more 'compatible'... -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 13:58:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86973 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 13:58:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915186693:10:20604:16; Fri, 01 Jan 99 10:31:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020508; 1 Jan 99 10:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA06956 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:22:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA06951 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:22:25 GMT Received: from (193.149.88.139) [193.149.88.139] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zw1ji-0005PQ-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:23:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:23:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bd88b962jmgray@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? Just downloaded it (in hope) and tried it on recently received 'Word' files and got the error message 'Document is too old for this versiom of TransWord' Are there alternatives to TransWord which may give me access to these files? Jeremy -- Jeremy Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 16:50:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86976 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 16:49:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915202211:20:07534:15; Fri, 01 Jan 99 14:50:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007438; 1 Jan 99 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07243 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:41:03 GMT Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07238 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:40:46 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (ppp137112.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.112]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA10322 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 03:38:48 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost at Sat,02 Jan 1999.02:40:48 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:36:03 +1300 From: Ariancylch To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Message-ID: <47609abd48.julian@illusio.milieu.org.nz> References: <48bd2fa82arayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48bd2fa82arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.75a (Newsbase) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48bd2fa82arayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with > > that? > > It works very well, for what it does - load Word files into OP. What > we also desperately need is a means of getting files out of OP into a > useable format for other applications. A good start would be an RTF > saver, either directly from OP or an RFT converter for DDL files. I'm not convinced that it's worth spending too much time on RTF. RTF == Rich Text Format, and it's exactly that, a rich -text- file. It's possibly useful for transferring wordprocessed files, but as a DTP interchange format it's (in my opinion) less than useless. Keeping text styles avoids the tedium of reapplication, but the thing I can never `be bothered doing' when transferring files is re-laying it out. For substantial documents such as books it may be more useful - I don't do things that large - but for things of a few pages there's far more work involved in redesigning the layout. Which is not to say that RTF import/export isn't useful, just that I think there are more useful things that could be achieved with those resources. -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 16:50:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86979 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 16:50:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915205530:20:23808:15; Fri, 01 Jan 99 15:45:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108749; 1 Jan 99 15:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA07455 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:34:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA07450 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:34:41 GMT Received: from (193.149.94.212) [193.149.94.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zw6bx-0000Id-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:35:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 1 Jan 99 15:34:14 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 1 Jan 99 (10:23:14 +0000), jmgray@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Just downloaded it (in hope) and tried it on recently received 'Word' >files and got the error message > >'Document is too old for this versiom of TransWord' > >Are there alternatives to TransWord which may give me access to these >files? > >Jeremy > Jeremy, I've been using AntiWord by Adri van Os for extracting the text from Word documents. It seems very reliable, though I have only used it for extracting from Word97 documents. It displays the text with some of the layout and text effects. As yet it can only save out as a Text file. It is under continous development and the author is looking for testers. It's beta and it's free from http://www.winfield.demon.nl/index.html HTH Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 16:50:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86980 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 16:50:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915204479:10:11409:15; Fri, 01 Jan 99 15:27:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129892; 1 Jan 99 15:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA07374 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:14:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA07369 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:13:55 GMT Received: from usero789.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [193.149.90.43] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zw6Hr-000042-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:14:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:09:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bda2f521rmking@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The ability to create rules as part of a style. This is one area where I have to resort to using Publisher to achieve such effect in documents. Best wishes, Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 16:50:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86981 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 16:50:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915205813:10:23653:17; Fri, 01 Jan 99 15:50:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127385; 1 Jan 99 15:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA07544 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:41:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA07538 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:41:01 GMT Received: from (193.149.89.20) [193.149.89.20] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zw6i5-0000QD-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:41:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - main address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 1 Jan 99 15:40:59 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 1 Jan 99 (15:34:14), badger.set@argonet.co.uk wrote: >I've been using AntiWord by Adri van Os for extracting the text from >Word documents. It seems very reliable, though I have only used it for >extracting from Word97 documents. > >It displays the text with some of the layout and text effects. As yet >it can only save out as a Text file. Sorry all, I'd forgotten that AntiWord can also save out as a Draw file. Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:25:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87017 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:25:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915264904:20:22886:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 08:15:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124000; 2 Jan 99 8:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA08424 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:54:16 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08419 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:54:00 GMT Received: from [158.152.176.98] (helo=cowark.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwLto-00001h-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:55:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "A. M. Smith" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:32:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bd898a86mike@cowark.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: <48bd061e0bsps@pennic.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 31 Dec, SPS wrote: to David Pilling large snip . . . >If however there is some way in > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > continued development please could you let us know. > Finally as a user of your software and a recipient of your help on > occasions I would like to thank you for your contribution to the Acorn > scene over the years. Happy New Year. I'd like to second this but *please let us know how we can support your work*, David Mike Smith -- A. M. Smith at the Centre of the Kingdom -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:25:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87018 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:25:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915267137:10:09090:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 08:52:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100628; 2 Jan 99 8:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA08571 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:43:48 GMT Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08566 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:43:35 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas0141.singnet.com.sg [165.21.56.51]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA29291 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:44:38 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:43:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48bd898a86mike@cowark.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Dec, SPS wrote: > to David Pilling >If however there is some way in > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > continued development please could you let us know. Absolutely. Thanks and happy new year. -- Ian Oliver Person of that ilk http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:25:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87025 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:25:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915270595:10:11463:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 09:49:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118144; 2 Jan 99 9:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA08729 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:38:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA08724 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:38:41 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.76) [193.149.69.76] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zwNX7-0003wW-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:39:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 1 Jan 99 (10:28:12 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd very much like to see proper paragraph and section numbering - I'm also very happy to pay for new features. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:25:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87024 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:25:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915274841:20:08291:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 11:00:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008005; 2 Jan 99 11:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA08928 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:48:43 GMT Received: from smtprelay1-gui.server.virgin.net (asset2-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08923 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:48:25 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.60.216]) by smtprelay1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA9797 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:49:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:47:39 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Survival of OP To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <48bd061e0bsps@pennic.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Bernard G. Hill, Telephone/Fax:01633 880197 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 31 Dec, SPS wrote: > In article <86876@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > >I wonder If someone@beebug might like to put as all in the picture, about > > >the direction that Ov Pro is... or is not going. > > > Perhaps it should be pointed out that someone@beebug does not read this list. > > > I'm sorry to have to say it, but there are some reasons for > > the lack of progress. > > > Firstly the Acorn situation - can anyone now pretend that the number of > > Acorn users is ever going to increase? > > > Second the Beebug situation. They're never going to do any more work, but > > most of the income from the program is still going into their pockets. > > > For me the fear is that I'd do another years work, at the end of it, 50% > > of the user base will have bought PC's or Macs or whatever and I'm left as > > the author of a program that no one uses. > > David your reaction and fears are entirely understandable but the > quickest way to ensure that you become "the author of a program that no > one uses" is to halt development. What has to be addressed is how those > of us who want to continue to use the program can pay you for any time > you use in developing the the program further. Much depends on your > contract with Beebug. If they are going to sit back, do nothing and > cream off most of any profit from your further labours then I can > understand your reluctance to carry on. If this is the case and there is > no way out of the situation we may as well face the fact that > development is effectively at an end. If however there is some way in > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > continued development please could you let us know. > > Finally as a user of your software and a recipient of your help on > occasions I would like to thank you for your contribution to the Acorn > scene over the years. Happy New Year. > > Roger > > > -- > ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard > || || || || Specialist Psychological Services > ||||| |||| ||||| 8 Loxley Road, London SW18 3LJ > || || || Tel. +44 (0) 181 874 1569 > ||||| |||| ||||| sps@pennic.demon.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > My support also for what is said above particularly for the appreciation of all that David has done. If all else fails, what chance of a port to Linux? >From what David said some time ago there is a problem with the font system, I would want the font display of the Acorn porting over to Linux as this is one of the jewels in the crown of RiscOS; the thought of working with one of the other platform displays fills me with some unease. Best wishes to all for the New Year. Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Newport e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net Monmouthshire NP6 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:26:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87028 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:25:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915284816:10:06702:18; Sat, 02 Jan 99 13:46:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125393; 2 Jan 99 13:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA09181 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:32:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA09174 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:31:59 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.231) [193.149.71.231] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zwQko-00065o-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:06:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 2 Jan 99 12:59:15 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: New Release of IdxPro Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear All,I have just put the finishing touches to a new release of = IdxPro, my indexing applet for OP. The new release (1.03) has many new feat= ures including: * Conversion of text in a given style to ind= ex entries so that for example all sub-headings in a document = could be added to the index. (also allowing conv= ersion of indexes prepared with !Index) * Integration with !!!!!= !!bm by RJE Thompson so that markers are removed as the text = around them is deleted etc. * Use of Styles when 'typing' the in= dex so that formats such as that below using leading are now p= ossible: R Labels........= .....10 Avery.........12 It is now ve= ry easy to create formatted indexes on the first attempt! = * Search for text and create index entries * Page ranges can b= e included in the index * Lots of Bugs have been removed = * More configuration options availableAll the above are in addition= to the existing functionallity: * Automatic Index generation<= nl> * Full control over the style of entries * Entry text not= dependant upon document text * Index entries can be page number, = page and chapter number or text (e.g. Animals........See Entry = for Mammals) * Intelligent management of duplicate entries etc= * Full Interactive Help I believe that !IdxPro is probably th= e best indexing applet for OP and with this release some of the rough edges= have been removed. This should make it easier to use and more logical than= the previous releases. If you have any suggestions about how to make it be= tter then please either post them on the mailing list or mail me - without = your input etc it will never get any better!As before !IdxPro 1.03 = should be available from the OP resources site very soon. Please remember t= hat !IdxPro is careware so if you find it useful then please make a donatio= n as shown in the manual!Happy New YearDavid Breakwell<= nl>PS: I'm just about to start looking at the bug reported in !Labeller - f= rom the above you should be able to understand my delay in responding.... -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .-------= --------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |In= ternet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | |= '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |= __ | davidb@argonet.co.ukd; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:39:10 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p6-max5.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.241.134]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA04 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:41:06 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAB09289 On Fri 01 Jan, ovation wrote: > On Thu 31 Dec 98 (11:37:39 +0000), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: >=20 > >Does your contract with Beebug preclude you from producing add-ons for > >Ovation Pro? If not, then by producing importers/exporters and the lik= e > >will increase the OP userbase. >=20 > I couldn't agree more. I had a word recently with Quentin Payne at Apri= cote, > which produces the accounts software, Prophet. The conversation started= off > very gloomy (it was shortly after Black Thursday), and Quentin was sayi= ng he > couldn't see that there would be a market for Prophet 4. Yes I too must agree, I have been using Acorn computers since their first models, and having got used to the platform will continue to use it, Of course I would prefer software like Ovation Pro, For Word Processing and Publishing , particularly if i can Import/Export to and from Word, Publisher etc. and with Accounts Packages as Kell says, Prophet will be just fine with cross platform compatability. Then we only need a "cross platform" Art and CAD package. Hope some of those software writers get the word.... Keep up the good work David, we will support you...... =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you...Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis = Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:26:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87030 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:26:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915284430:20:23977:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 13:40:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023753; 2 Jan 99 13:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA09159 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:30:47 GMT Received: from mail16.svr.pol.co.uk (mail16.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.217]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09153 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:30:19 GMT Received: from [195.92.193.23] (helo=mail11.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail16.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zwQrH-0006ak-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:12:47 +0000 Received: from modem-81.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.93.209] helo=default) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zwQl7-00039s-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:06:27 +0000 Message-ID: <00a501be3650$97b8b220$8345883e@default> From: "Michael Hunter" To: "OvPro Mail List" Subject: Problems with !Labeller Applet Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:54:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE364E.FC454660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE364E.FC454660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings and Best Wishes to Ovation Pro Users for 1999. =20 Further to my problems with my Christmas card labels I have managed to = get some time to investigate further. I am surprised that nobody else = has reported any problems with this. Either there is something odd with = my set up or nobody has tried this.(I'm running OvP 2.51 on a RPC with = 48M.)=20 =20 I have experiemented using the example CSV file (UK) provided with David = Pilling's 'Making use of the new mail merge feature in OvationPro 2.48' = (version 0.03 31st December 1997). =20 I made a page of labels with 6 merge fields and this prints out OK - ( I = used David's !SPrinter to save paper) - but with blank fields. =20 I then tried to option to remove blanks in fields first in the range 1 = to 6. This only prints 5 fields (even for the headings record) so the = majority of labels have no post code - those which have a blank field = are OK including the post code. =20 Next I tried removing blanks in fields 2 to 5. Very interesting results = this time. The first non- blank field of the address is not printed at = all (Address1 on the headings record); the next three fields are moved = up and the post code appears in line 6. eg =20 Company Address2 Town / City County =20 Postcode =20 If there is a blank field then the following results=20 =20 Company Town / City County Postcode =20 Postcode =20 Finally I went into the Fields... entry on the Mail merge menu and = manually deleted the fields and replaced them with=20 =20 {macv=3Dmerge_strip(1,6)} (replacing 1 with 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 for each = of the fields 1 to 6)=20 =20 This produced the expected results with blank fields removed. =20 I could not see any errors in the fields produced by the applet which = seem to match David Pilling's 'horrible solution' (but that is not to = say there are none.)=20 =20 I have had a look at the OvPScript but as I have never tried C = Programming it is difficult to see any problems. =20 =20 Any suggestions? =20 Best wishes, =20 Michael =20 -- =20 Michael Hunter michael@hunter8home.freeserve.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE364E.FC454660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings and Best Wishes to Ovation = Pro Users=20 for 1999.
 
Further to my problems with my Christmas card labels = I have=20 managed to get some time to investigate further. I am surprised that = nobody else=20 has reported any problems with this. Either there is something odd with = my set=20 up or nobody has tried this.(I'm running OvP 2.51 on a RPC with 48M.)=20
 
I have experiemented using the example CSV file (UK) = provided=20 with David Pilling's 'Making use of the new mail merge feature in = OvationPro=20 2.48' (version 0.03 31st December 1997).
 
I made a page of labels with 6 merge fields and this = prints=20 out OK - ( I used David's !SPrinter to save paper) - but with blank=20 fields.
 
I then tried to option to remove blanks in fields = first in the=20 range 1 to 6. This only prints 5 fields (even for the headings record) = so the=20 majority of labels have no post code - those which have a blank field = are OK=20 including the post code.
 
Next I tried removing blanks in fields 2 to 5. Very=20 interesting results this time. The first non- blank field of the address = is not=20 printed at all (Address1 on the headings record); the next three fields = are=20 moved up and the post code appears in line 6. eg
 
Company
Address2
Town / City
County
 
Postcode
 
If there is a blank field then the following results =
 
Company
Town / City
County
Postcode
 
Postcode
 
Finally I went into the Fields... entry on the Mail = merge menu=20 and manually deleted the fields and replaced them with
 
{macv=3Dmerge_strip(1,6)}   (replacing 1 = with 2, 3, 4,=20 5 and 6 for each of the fields 1 to 6)
 
This produced the expected results with blank fields = removed.
 
I could not see any errors in the fields produced by = the=20 applet which seem to match David Pilling's 'horrible solution' (but that = is not=20 to say there are none.)
 
I have had a look at the OvPScript but as I have = never tried C=20 Programming it is difficult to see any problems. 
 
Any suggestions?
 
Best wishes,
 
Michael
 
 
--  =
Michael Hunter  michael@hunter8home.f= reeserve.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE364E.FC454660-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 16:03:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87051 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 16:03:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915291679:10:17211:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:41:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017190; 2 Jan 99 15:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09586 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:28:54 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09581 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:28:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.85.137] (helo=revcol.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwSzu-0001DD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:29:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:26:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "Colin G.F. Brockie" Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On ?, Rob Hemmings wrote: > I'd very much like to see proper paragraph and section numbering - I'm also > very happy to pay for new features. Amen to this. Colin G.F. Brockie -- General remote signature - name, company name, address, WWW address? Work international number. Disclaimer? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 20:25:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87073 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 20:25:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915293869:10:00666:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 16:17:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104884; 2 Jan 99 16:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA09693 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:05:45 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09688 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:05:34 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwTZb-0005FC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:06:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:39:54 GMT Message-Id: <87048@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From what David said some time ago there is a problem with the font system Eeek. Surely a highly qualified and minor problem 8-) Don't let me be seen to be rubbishing Acorns 'Crown Jewels'. On foreign file formats. The trouble is that most of the file formats one would like to do - e.g. Quark are (as far as I know) not publically documented. Please someone prove me wrong! Things like Word and RTF are badly documented if at all, and not particularly well matched to OvationPro anyway. I see that Icon (Techwriter) have recently launched a standalone product which just loads and saves MS Word files. I suppose that proves how useful it is. I did have some discussions with Icon a few weeks back, after the talk here about OPro DDL import/export from Techwriter. I suspect your best chance here is to talk Icon into adding DDL im/export to their new product. Another suggestion, work out what you want from a Word utility, and make Rupert Thompson an offer - couple of 100 users pledge to buy it. As to the future. The number of users is just not viable with the current way the project is organised. So being honest with you, there's going to be no major progress in the near future. In say a years time, things may be different, we may have seen if the 'Acorn' platform has any future. I might well do a port to another platform. We might turn the program or the sources over to the users. Meanwhile, a footnote, you'll be pleased to hear that OPro is year 1999 roman numerals compliant i.e. MCMXCIX as opposed to MIM rubbish etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 20:25:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87077 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 20:25:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915297993:10:27637:19; Sat, 02 Jan 99 17:26:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027538; 2 Jan 99 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA09898 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:12:12 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09893 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:11:58 GMT Received: from modem-105.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.5.105] helo=wallace) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zwUbq-0002EF-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:13:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01be35ef$30d872e0$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Survival of OP Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:28:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro DP wrote: >On foreign file formats. The trouble is that most of the file formats one >would like to do - e.g. Quark are (as far as I know) not publically >documented. Please someone prove me wrong! Things like Word and RTF are badly >documented if at all, and not particularly well matched to OvationPro anyway. My 2p is to mention that for 'professional' use, Adobe PDF is probably the route to follow. Adobe's much touted new DTP package (K2) is to be based around PDF, and it's already gaining ground very rapidly in the prepress industry. Now, exactly how public the format is, I'm not sure offhand, but it's certainly better matched to Ovation Pro than Word or RTF. For future versions of Word, aren't M$ moving to HTML (or at least XML) anyway? >I see that Icon (Techwriter) have recently launched a standalone product >which just loads and saves MS Word files. I suppose that proves how useful >it is. I did have some discussions with Icon a few weeks back, after the >talk here about OPro DDL import/export from Techwriter. >I suspect your best chance here is to talk Icon into adding DDL im/export >to their new product. I'll be emailing them myself in a couple of minutes... >Another suggestion, work out what you want from a Word utility, and >make Rupert Thompson an offer - couple of 100 users pledge to buy it. Indeed. Let's see what Rupert has to say. >As to the future. The number of users is just not viable with the >current way the project is organised. So being honest with you, >there's going to be no major progress in the near future. In say a years >time, things may be different, we may have seen if the 'Acorn' platform has >any future. I might well do a port to another platform. We might turn >the program or the sources over to the users. Sad (if perhaps inevitable) news given the market at the moment. There's a lot of goodwill out there, but just not the money... I think we'll have to see what happens when Cerilica Vantage is released. I hope it'll breathe a bit of life into the market, particularly for the professional. By the way, the thing at the top of my wish list for Ovation Pro would still be DCS/OPI (to enable the use of big, externally-referenced images in prepress) as it's probably the biggest limitation that can't easily be overcome by third-party appleteers. >Meanwhile, a footnote, you'll be pleased to hear that OPro is year 1999 >roman numerals compliant i.e. MCMXCIX as opposed to MIM rubbish etc. Oh, I quite like MIM. Can we have it as an option in the !Custom file ;-) Best wishes for the New Year to all on the list (especially David for his work so far!) Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit and: research student in physics, university of warwick, coventry cv4 7al mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 20:25:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87078 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 20:25:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915298607:10:01601:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 17:36:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001501; 2 Jan 99 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA09962 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:26:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA09957 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:26:09 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.138) [193.149.78.138] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zwUpa-00021v-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:27:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:24:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48be332452sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin G.F. Brockie wrote: > On ?, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > I'd very much like to see proper paragraph and section numbering - I'm also > > very happy to pay for new features. > Amen to this. At the risk of just saying 'me too' - I agree! I think there will be lots of people with similar views. Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 20:26:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87083 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 20:26:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915307451:10:00911:16; Sat, 02 Jan 99 20:04:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000576; 2 Jan 99 20:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA10202 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:54:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10197 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:54:11 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwX8r-0002EB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:55:21 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 99 18:04:57 GMT Message-Id: <87054@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: find/replace tip X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro From: Tord >I guess further upgrades of Ovation Pro is unlikely, considering what has >taken place, but if, here is a nice trick you could add (integral to most >Mac editors/dtp packages): >'Find' is sometimes messy when somehow a character not on the keyboard has >ended up in the file (usually after a conversion from one format to >another), but salvation is near: you just mark the offending character, >press Ctrl-C and open 'Find/Replace' and press Ctrl-V and then type in the >one you want! >Without having to use 'Keyboard' maps or other character set displays (like >!CharSel). In fact you can already do exactly this. With the proviso that after you mark the character and hit Ctrl-C, you clear the marking before opening find/replace. You have to clear the marking because of another little known feature, this is that find/replace only works on the area marked off when it is opened. Useful if you want to limit its scope. If clearing the marking by hand is too much like hard work, define a key macro with the body; {'C_C}{'C_Z}{'F4}{pause(10);fx(138,0,22)} Then if you mark some text, pressing the key will open find/replace with the marked text in the find field. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:12:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87105 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:12:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915393631:20:28163:15; Sun, 03 Jan 99 20:00:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100720; 3 Jan 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11291 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:38:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11283 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:38:24 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwtNL-0007Ha-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:39:47 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:54:10 GMT Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:51:21 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP Message-ID: <7a8b56be48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001b01be35ef$30d872e0$ab356d01@wallace> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <001b01be35ef$30d872e0$ab356d01@wallace> you wrote: > By the way, > the thing at the top of my wish list for Ovation Pro would still be DCS/OPI > (to enable the use of big, externally-referenced images in prepress) as it's > probably the biggest limitation that can't easily be overcome by third-party > appleteers. > I have to second this. Even an A5 cmyk file in OP slows it down to a snail's pace. In the end I have to put in a low res copy until it's time to send it to print. I'll forget to change it one of these days. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:12:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87106 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:12:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915393658:20:29101:15; Sun, 03 Jan 99 20:00:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028986; 3 Jan 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11289 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:38:46 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11279 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:38:20 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwtNH-0007HF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:39:43 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:43:23 GMT Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:43:10 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: HTML Pro Message-ID: <8fcb55be48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Any one bought and using HTML Pro? Verdict? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:13:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87127 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:13:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915446686:10:10297:24; Mon, 04 Jan 99 10:44:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108753; 4 Jan 99 10:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA12276 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:24:50 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA12271 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:24:32 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:24:28 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00632; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:23:28 GMT Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:23:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: !TransWord To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? > I have been using !TransWord extensively over the last month or so, and find that it handles almost any text based document. I did have a problem with an embedded picture in Word 8.9 (I think - unfortunately I erased before checking). It does seem a very good start. Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From don.lewis@bristol.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:13:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87130 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:13:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915445541:20:21008:0; Mon, 04 Jan 99 10:25:41 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.51]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117618; 4 Jan 99 10:24 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:24:28 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00632; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:23:28 GMT Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:23:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: !TransWord To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: don.lewis@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] On Thu 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? > I have been using !TransWord extensively over the last month or so, and find that it handles almost any text based document. I did have a problem with an embedded picture in Word 8.9 (I think - unfortunately I erased before checking). It does seem a very good start. Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:13:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87131 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:13:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915459285:10:19844:16; Mon, 04 Jan 99 14:14:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118651; 4 Jan 99 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA12559 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:36:12 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12550 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:35:52 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-34.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.165] with SMTP for id OAA20833 (8.8.8/1.10); Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:31:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <87048@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Sat 02 Jan, David Pilling wrote: (snip) > On foreign file formats. The trouble is that most of the file formats one > would like to do - e.g. Quark are (as far as I know) not publically > documented. Please someone prove me wrong! Things like Word and RTF are badly > documented if at all, and not particularly well matched to OvationPro anyway. (snip) First my apologies if I repeat this too often. PDF will become the standard fileformat for DTP exchange between packages and platforms. With the last port of GhostScript the output to PDF is more or less available, would import of PS or PDF files in Ovation Pro be possible? Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:14:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87137 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:14:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915465765:20:28731:22; Mon, 04 Jan 99 16:02:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102994; 4 Jan 99 16:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12747 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:27:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA12742 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:27:07 GMT Received: from (193.149.93.249) [193.149.93.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zxBuK-0002R2-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:27:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:48:02 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 31 Dec 98 (16:35:07), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? Well his own readme file makes it clear that this app is very much under development and goes on to list a few shortcomings...... EasiWriter on the other hand can both read and write Word files, including Office'97, so helps enormously in terms of interplatform compatability. We don't just need a reader, we need a writer too. As Ray Dawson said, if the import and export facilitites were upgraded, we could avoid succumbing to the need to use other software/platforms. AntiWord does a fair job of extracting text from some Word files, and therefore has some uses. Transword may go a little further. But Icon Technology have already sorted the problems of reading and writing Word files, so why not build upon a proven method? The sooner these facilities are in place, the sooner confidence in the future of OvPro will be increased. Dave D -- __ _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| Real address as above Certified No42 in the Phoebe queue -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:14:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87140 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:14:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915468195:20:12279:18; Mon, 04 Jan 99 16:43:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120437; 4 Jan 99 16:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12823 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12818 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxCLe-0002JY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:19 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:09:07 GMT Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:09:00 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !TransWord Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Thu 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? > > > I have been using !TransWord extensively over the last month or so, and > find that it handles almost any text based document. I did have a > problem with an embedded picture in Word 8.9 (I think - unfortunately I > erased before checking). > It does seem a very good start. But still no word(sorry) from Rupert. Rupert where are you? You've quiet for a long time. Perhaps he's beavering away at Transword. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 20:50:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87191 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 20:50:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915481768:10:00819:27; Mon, 04 Jan 99 20:29:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000795; 4 Jan 99 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA13126 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:00:48 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA13121 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:00:33 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxFF4-0000ma-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:00:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 99 18:33:02 GMT Message-Id: <87180@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >PDF will become the standard fileformat for DTP exchange between >packages and platforms. And this *is* good news, because unlike Quark files (?) it is documented. >would import of PS or PDF files in Ovation Pro be possible? But I have a question for you, does PDF (unlike PS) contain document structuring information e.g. this bit of text is part of a text story in a text frame which is linked to another text frame? Because one of the troubles with reading PS is that you lose such structure... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 22:46:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87193 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 22:46:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915487506:10:27392:15; Mon, 04 Jan 99 22:05:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027383; 4 Jan 99 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA13728 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:46:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA13723 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:46:04 GMT Received: from (193.149.92.152) [193.149.92.152] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zxHpF-000282-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:46:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:39:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bf522c3ddf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !TransWord In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr. D. M. Lewis wrote: > On Thu 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? > > > I have been using !TransWord extensively over the last month or so, and > find that it handles almost any text based document. I did have a > problem with an embedded picture in Word 8.9 (I think - unfortunately I > erased before checking). > It does seem a very good start. > Don Lewis All very interesting, but I've never managed to load any Word files using !TransWord... not a single one. "Document is too old for this version of Transword." "Document is too new for this version of Transword." Obviously far too Version specific to be of much use as it stands. I suppose there is a version of Word it'll load... I have a couple of versions of Word but as you see... Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 22:47:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87199 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 22:47:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915485548:20:16739:22; Mon, 04 Jan 99 21:32:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016510; 4 Jan 99 21:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA13457 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:04:12 GMT Received: from smtprelay1-gui.server.virgin.net (asset2-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13451 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:03:58 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.67.156]) by smtprelay1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA9761 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:17:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:15:54 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: OP and Fonts To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Bernard G. Hill, Telephone/Fax:01633 880197 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry! Sorry! Sorry! There I go again, not making myself clear. I did not intend to imply that David had called the Acorn font system into question but that he said that if OP were ported across to Linux it would be necessary to make substantial changes to the program because the RiscOS font system would not be available and, as is to be expected, this is the system used for OP. What I was really asking about was the possibility of having our favourite font system available if we finally had to abandon RiscOS and move over to Linux especially if it meant that it would be easier for OP to be ported. I shall continue to use RiscOS and OPro for as long as possible, and like many others, am quite prepared to pay for continued development. Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Newport e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net Monmouthshire NP6 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 22:47:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87201 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 22:47:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915487292:20:18593:31; Mon, 04 Jan 99 22:01:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018078; 4 Jan 99 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA13712 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:45:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA13706 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:44:50 GMT Received: from (193.149.86.85) [193.149.86.85] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zxHo3-00025k-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:44:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr. P.N. Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 4 Jan 99 21:29:38 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: !TransWord Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro !Transword coped brilliantly with a Word document we were sent, with multiple columns, which totally foxed !AntiWord, which I had previously been using. Thanks to those on this list who mentioned it! Peter. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 01:45:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87217 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 01:45:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915492833:20:28625:20; Mon, 04 Jan 99 23:33:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119945; 4 Jan 99 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA14037 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:20:15 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA14032 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:20:00 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxJIB-0006gZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:20:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:22:48 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Making own colours To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all I have successfully made some new colours in OPro using Edit-New Colours... however, when I quit from Opro and re-load, the colours are no longer there. How do I save my new colours in with the old ones permanently? I have a sneaking suspicion this is a daft question... -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:05:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87235 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:05:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915504893:20:14339:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 02:54:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122531; 5 Jan 99 2:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA14303 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:38:54 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14298 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:38:40 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA11704 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:23:19 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA08300; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:02:03 GMT Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:58:24 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP Message-ID: <48BF27EE32%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <87048@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <87048@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > On foreign file formats. The trouble is that most of the file formats > one would like to do - e.g. Quark are (as far as I know) not publically > documented. Not to mention that they are not stable (although I have to admit to knowing nothing about Quark). As soon as a certain other word processor gave people what they wanted (Word im/export) they were back whinging that it didn't support Word 8. I've a suspicion that as soon as that was provided some of them would have written their letters of complaint because it doesn't support Word 9, and are just waiting for a new release from MicroSoft in order to have an opportunity to send them. > Please someone prove me wrong! Things like Word and RTF are badly > documented if at all, and not particularly well matched to OvationPro > anyway. In another posting Nick Kaijaks said My 2p is to mention that for 'professional' use, Adobe PDF is probably the route to follow. Adobe's much touted new DTP package (K2) is to be based around PDF, and it's already gaining ground very rapidly in the prepress industry. Now, exactly how public the format is, I'm not sure offhand, but it's certainly better matched to Ovation Pro than Word or RTF. For future versions of Word, aren't M$ moving to HTML (or at least XML) anyway? I tend to agree that, if OPro's to support foreign formats, they should be 'standard' formats. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:05:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87236 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:05:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915505302:20:20926:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 03:01:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126711; 5 Jan 99 3:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA14351 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:49:25 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14346 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:49:14 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxMYh-00035w-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:49:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 99 02:09:41 GMT Message-Id: <87230@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Making own colours X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I have successfully made some new colours in OPro using Edit-New Colours... >however, when I quit from Opro and re-load, the colours are no longer there. You're editing the colours for the *current document*, throw that away, and the colours go with it. Colours are part of a document, not global. >How do I save my new colours in with the old ones permanently? If you use file->save as default on a document with the new colours set up, then all new documents created in future will have the new colours by default. If you want to copy the colours from one document to another, drop the document with the new colours on to the colour editing window of the document that you want to copy the colours to. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:05:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87237 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:05:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915529413:20:16912:16; Tue, 05 Jan 99 09:43:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111523; 5 Jan 99 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA14832 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:02:49 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14820 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:02:30 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-20.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.151] with SMTP for id KAA06615 (8.8.8/1.10); Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:02:41 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:58:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <87180@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > >PDF will become the standard fileformat for DTP exchange between > >packages and platforms. > > And this *is* good news, because unlike Quark files (?) it is > documented. And Adobe will force Quark to adapt to PDF im- and export with the introduction of Adobe K2. There are already Quark plug-ins that can handle PDF more or less. And if Quark doesn't want to adapt it will fade away. Its price and quirks doesn't make it popular in the PrePress world although it is the standard for printshops now. > >would import of PS or PDF files in Ovation Pro be possible? > > But I have a question for you, does PDF (unlike PS) contain > document structuring information e.g. this bit of text is part > of a text story in a text frame which is linked to another text > frame? > > Because one of the troubles with reading PS is that you lose > such structure... Yes that's a problem now but PDF will be extended in the near future. Adobe K2 requires the same conditions. There are other known problems like duotones in PDF, and the colour is clipped at the edges of the document. And Acorns PS drivers have their own quirks. Watching the Sprite handling of those drivers reveals a lot of actual problems, new PS3 drivers would solve that but introduce problems with older RIPs. I added PS as an import format as that avoids some of the extra problems PDF introduces. But the trend is towards PDF... It isn't an easy job and with the gloomy future of Ovation Pro quite an adventure. You might add it to a Linux port of Ovation Pro and make it the standard file format for Ovation Unix Pro. There PostScript is far more the standard though in the disguise of GhostScript. What is good for EasiWriter (accept the fact that Word-files are the standard) means PDF/PS should be good for O.P. As I understand it there are some PS developments parallel with Vantage that will be launched soon. Let us wait for that and see what kind of PS utilities appear then. On a related subject, I've asked Jeroen Medema to add a print facility to RiScript Pro that allows one to print the separated PS pages in the colour of ones choice so that one can make proofsheets with (buildup?). He likes the idea whether that means he will do it tomorrow .. ;-)...if so I will ask for dotgain simulation on Wednesday ;-) Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:05:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87239 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:05:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915534506:20:00446:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 11:08:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029795; 5 Jan 99 11:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA14960 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:23:05 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14955 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:22:29 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-76.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.207] with SMTP for id LAA10362 (8.8.8/1.10); Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:22:33 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:13:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: OP and Fonts To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 04 Jan, Bernard G. Hill wrote: > > Sorry! Sorry! Sorry! There I go again, not making myself clear. I did > not intend to imply that David had called the Acorn font system into > question but that he said that if OP were ported across to Linux it > would be necessary to make substantial changes to the program because > the RiscOS font system would not be available and, as is to be expected, > this is the system used for OP. > > What I was really asking about was the possibility of having our > favourite font system available if we finally had to abandon RiscOS and > move over to Linux especially if it meant that it would be easier for > OP to be ported. > > I shall continue to use RiscOS and OPro for as long as possible, and > like many others, am quite prepared to pay for continued development. When the RiscOs GUI and other RO goodies port to Linux was discussed in c.s.a.misc, Edward Denya? of EFF wrote he was able and willing to make a port of the fontsystem. I think for that kind of ports you need a frame like the Forbidden Technologies initiative otherwise any coordination is lost. But wouldn't Bitstream introduce its own fontsystem in Unix, it is said that the quality is on the same level. There's no chance of a fontsystem introduction to Linux if part of the community there doesn't see the advantages. The RO system is good in itself but added to that it has the extra of being an integral part of OS/GUI. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:05:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87245 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:05:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915515331:10:17345:17; Tue, 05 Jan 99 05:48:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017335; 5 Jan 99 5:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA14563 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 05:35:47 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA14558 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 05:35:34 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (mybg@RAS1-p91.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.160.93]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA14162 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 07:31:52 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3691A482.DCB62610@netvision.net.il> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 07:34:58 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 References: <48bd898a86mike@cowark.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro A. M. Smith wrote: > > On 31 Dec, SPS wrote: > to David Pilling > > large snip . . . > > >If however there is some way in > > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > > continued development please could you let us know. > > > Finally as a user of your software and a recipient of your help on > > occasions I would like to thank you for your contribution to the Acorn > > scene over the years. Happy New Year. > I'd like to second this but *please let us know how we can support your > work*, David Maybe some of us could get together and set up a non-profit body called "The Ovation Foundation", or whatever, and pay David for doing updates, rather as Gerald Fitton is doing with Fireworkz. I would be prepared to put in some initial cash as a starter. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:06:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87253 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:06:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915538295:10:00539:140; Tue, 05 Jan 99 12:11:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115794; 5 Jan 99 11:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA15083 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:58:11 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15078 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:57:55 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p20-max3.ham.ihug.co.nz [202.49.240.20] (may be forged)) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) wit Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:50:47 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3691A482.DCB62610@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB15083 On Tue 05 Jan, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > A. M. Smith wrote: > >=20 > > On 31 Dec, SPS wrote: > > to David Pilling > >=20 > > large snip . . . > >=20 > > >If however there is some way in > > > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > > > continued development please could you let us know. > >=20 > > > Finally as a user of your software and a recipient of your help on > > > occasions I would like to thank you for your contribution to the Ac= orn > > > scene over the years. Happy New Year. > > I'd like to second this but *please let us know how we can support yo= ur > > work*, David >=20 > Maybe some of us could get together and set up a non-profit body called > "The Ovation Foundation", or whatever, and pay David for doing > updates, rather as Gerald Fitton is doing with Fireworkz. I would be > prepared to put in some initial cash as a starter. >=20 > Michael Ben-Gershon > mybg@netvision.net.il I second this Idea Michael.... So Mr David Pilling Sir, Please set up a Page on your Site ( any of them) for us to commit ourselves to subscribing... and for folks like me so far away VISA would be a real convinient way to Pay... Then David.. just let us know the subscription address , that should at least give you a real indication of how many of us are serious... Shalom... --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you...Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis = Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:06:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87255 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:06:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915539463:10:08340:18; Tue, 05 Jan 99 12:31:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112272; 5 Jan 99 12:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA15224 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:39:57 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15218 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:39:29 GMT Received: from [158.152.89.120] (helo=snave.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxUpk-0000Vf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:39:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Ovation Mail Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:44:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48be29f3d5jack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Survival of OP Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In view of David's recent realistic appraisal of the future outlook for OPro if things are allowed to drift, I would like to stand up and be counted as one of many supporters who I am sure would be willing to dip their hands in their pockets and contribute to its continuing development. Thank you David for all you've done so far for us and the magnificent way you are continuing to do it within the present framework. -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:06:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87257 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:06:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915540880:10:02847:17; Tue, 05 Jan 99 12:54:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002392; 5 Jan 99 12:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15347 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:09:51 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk (qmailr@pat.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA15342 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:09:34 GMT Received: (qmail 15638 invoked from network); 5 Jan 1999 11:53:19 -0000 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.41) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 5 Jan 1999 11:53:19 -0000 Received: from ppp18-annex.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa08953; 5 Jan 99 11:53 GMT From: Martin Devon Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:51:58 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: conversion of OPro files and examination boards Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite 2.00b24/Acorn RISC OS X-Organization: Stonar School Wiltshire UK 44 (0)1225 702309 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Cartmell asked me to post here the results of enquiries regarding file formats for A-Level IT coursework. ( I had written here on 25th November that I had been led to understand that the board expects work in WfW format). I have done our Board (NEAB) an injustice. The general public impression that Microsoft stuff is essential is rubbish and lies. The rubrics for A Level IT are scrupulously non-partisan and a conversation with the Subject Officer reaffirms that the Board makes no differentation at all. That being so, this school will continue to use OPro throughout, together with Fireworkz Pro and DataPower 2. (As I mentioned to David privately, we have 45,000 OPro files on the network, and conversion is not really an option anyway). However, the above does not alter the fact that, if OPro could both input and output _directly_ into WfW, the justification for the continued use of OPro would be very much easier. -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School Wiltshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:06:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87260 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:06:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915541239:10:10079:16; Tue, 05 Jan 99 13:00:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111435; 5 Jan 99 13:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15292 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:00:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15287 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:00:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxVAL-0002mY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:00:54 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 01:08:17 GMT Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 01:05:05 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !TransWord Message-ID: <92f764bf48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48bf522c3ddf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48bf522c3ddf.symes@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article , > Dr. D. M. Lewis wrote: > > On Thu 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > > > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > > > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? > > > > > I have been using !TransWord extensively over the last month or so, and > > find that it handles almost any text based document. I did have a > > problem with an embedded picture in Word 8.9 (I think - unfortunately I > > erased before checking). > > It does seem a very good start. > > > Don Lewis > > All very interesting, but I've never managed to load any Word files using > !TransWord... not a single one. > > "Document is too old for this version of Transword." > "Document is too new for this version of Transword." > > Obviously far too Version specific to be of much use as it stands. > I suppose there is a version of Word it'll load... I have a couple of > versions of Word but as you see... > At the moment I think Transword is only built for Word 6. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:06:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87264 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:06:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915544684:10:21418:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 13:58:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021242; 5 Jan 99 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA15773 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:40:15 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15768 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:40:00 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zxWit-0002t6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:40:39 +0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk by ltsun0.le.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:43:34 GMT Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:40:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 05 Jan, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > On a related subject, I've asked Jeroen Medema to add a print facility to > RiScript Pro that allows one to print the separated PS pages in the colour > of ones choice so that one can make proofsheets with (buildup?). He likes > the idea whether that means he will do it tomorrow .. ;-)...if so I will > ask for dotgain simulation on Wednesday ;-) So RiScript Pro is still being developed? I gave up asking Uniqueway about updates over a year ago. I *still* don't even have a proper manual, just the perliminary guid and a sheet of paper saying that the full manual will follow in four week's time (this from sometime in 1997). -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 16:00:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87281 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 16:00:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915550389:10:18150:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 15:33:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121649; 5 Jan 99 15:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA15965 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15958 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxY5n-00017A-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:30:41 GMT Message-Id: <87275@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Positioning objects X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro From: Alan Muscat >In message <87182@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: >> >> >In Ovation Pro and Artworks it is possible to select an object >> >and use the cursor to move it, and even better with Artworks >> >key in exactly the amount of movement you want. >> >> Well of course in OPro, if there's 25mm written in an icon, you can type >> '+2mm' (giving "25mm+2mm") and then bash return and it will shift by the extra >Can you choose by how much the cursor moves keys move the object? In >Artworks you can set it as low as .1mm, if I recall correctly. >What is a dream in Artworks is not having to hold down the mouse >button to move the object, you just use the cursor keys. >This is probably not possibly in a layout app because the cursor >would move within the text if it were a text frame. But what if >it was possible to move any frame, or picture within a frame, >without the mouse, by, say, holding down Alt then using the >cursor keys? Would this be posssible to implement? I believe that in OPro the cursor keys move the mouse pointer by one screen pixel, during drags etc. (doesn't sound such a bright idea now). I find it useful in other programs to be able to move objects using the cursor keys, so I'd be in favour of that as an improvement. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 16:00:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87283 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 16:00:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915550075:20:18941:21; Tue, 05 Jan 99 15:27:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107038; 5 Jan 99 15:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA15963 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15953 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxY5p-00017A-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:36:39 GMT Message-Id: <87277@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would like to stand up and be counted as one of many supporters who I am >sure would be willing to dip their hands in their pockets and contribute to >its continuing development. Thanks for the offers of support 8-) We'll have to see how things go... As you may have gathered I think the people who have bought the program have done enough, I'd much rather fund further developments from elsewhere. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 17:42:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87290 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 17:42:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915555968:10:16172:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 17:06:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128447; 5 Jan 99 17:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA16274 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:49:28 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16269 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:49:09 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA31033 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:47:44 GMT Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA27561; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:46:21 GMT Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3322) id <01J66STS9980000V1S@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:46:08 GMT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:46:04 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:46:04 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:46:14 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:46:04 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:46:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Re: Survival of OP In-Reply-To: <87277@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro Message-Id: <5304461605011999/A02445/CAUV40/11D12C2D2C00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11D12C2D2C00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;5304461605011999/A02445/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > As you may have gathered I think the people who have bought the program have > done enough, I'd much rather fund further developments from elsewhere. > While I agree with the above, if the choice is between paying for support, or having no support, then there is no contest. Count me in if necessary. -- Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 20:37:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87298 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 20:37:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915560368:20:07950:22; Tue, 05 Jan 99 18:19:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127522; 5 Jan 99 18:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA16413 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:05:26 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA16407 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:05:14 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-59.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.190] with SMTP for id TAA02362 (8.8.8/1.10); Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:05:33 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:44:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 05 Jan, Liam Gretton wrote: > On Tue 05 Jan, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > On a related subject, I've asked Jeroen Medema to add a print facility to > > RiScript Pro that allows one to print the separated PS pages in the colour > > of ones choice so that one can make proofsheets with (buildup?). He likes > > the idea whether that means he will do it tomorrow .. ;-)...if so I will > > ask for dotgain simulation on Wednesday ;-) > > So RiScript Pro is still being developed? I gave up asking Uniqueway about > updates over a year ago. I *still* don't even have a proper manual, just the > perliminary guid and a sheet of paper saying that the full manual will > follow in four week's time (this from sometime in 1997). I wouldn't call the manual I have proper either but development is still going on. The manual issue should be solved by Uniqueway I guess. The only area where the distribution is done by the writers themselves is here in The Netherlands, het platte lan. I'm using a beta version 3.3 of 10-1998. The GUI has changed and printing is added. On the Vantage webpage there's some reference to RiScript Pro so they also cooperate with other software developers. On quite a regular base I send them files that show problems and they solved some of the shortcomings of RSP. Suggestions on improvements are also taken seriously. They do not depend on RSP to pay for the rent etc. and in the circumstances given I'm glad they don't. This means it doesn't look that professional but it continues. Should I ask them whether they need an extra beta tester? :-) Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 20:37:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87301 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 20:37:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915567855:10:04591:16; Tue, 05 Jan 99 20:24:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004322; 5 Jan 99 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA16722 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:06:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA16717 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:05:59 GMT Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxck9-0006Eb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:06:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:26:04 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <48be29f3d5jack@snave.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 02 Jan, Jack Evans wrote: > In view of David's recent realistic appraisal of the future outlook for > OPro if things are allowed to drift, I would like to stand up and be > counted as one of many supporters who I am sure would be willing to dip > their hands in their pockets and contribute to its continuing > development. > > Thank you David for all you've done so far for us and the magnificent way > you are continuing to do it within the present framework. > Whilst I don't normally join in with the "me too", I think this is one exception. It would be a great tragedy to allow OVPro to die. BTW, I read a post from Convergence regarding Acorn releasing RiscOs 4 from the middle of this month. Does this indicate that there is some grounds for optimism regarding the long term future of RiscOs? regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 20:37:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87304 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 20:37:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915566029:20:12097:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 19:53:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103994; 5 Jan 99 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16592 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:39:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16587 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:39:35 GMT Received: from (193.149.70.140) [193.149.70.140] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zxcKa-0004dq-00; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:39:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:32:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bfc4d70ebric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Survival of OP In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Liam Gretton wrote: > On Tue 05 Jan, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > On a related subject, I've asked Jeroen Medema to add a print > > facility to RiScript Pro that allows one to print ..... etc > So RiScript Pro is still being developed? I gave up asking > Uniqueway about updates over a year ago. I *still* don't even have > a proper manual, just the perliminary guid and a sheet of paper > saying that the full manual will follow in four week's time (this > from sometime in 1997). I too have been rather disappointed by the lack of new versions of RiScript Pro, which I bought at the 1997 Wakefield show for about 100UKP, IIRC. I had expected more by now. Paul Middleton of Uniqueway did send me a manual shortly afterwards, Issue 1, May 1997; and I have also had a later version, Issue 3, May 1998. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 21:43:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87319 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 21:43:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915571215:10:14418:16; Tue, 05 Jan 99 21:20:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125151; 5 Jan 99 21:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16909 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:05:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA16904 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:05:07 GMT Received: from (193.149.93.172) [193.149.93.172] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zxdfM-0006d0-00; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:05:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:19:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bfc933aadf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !TransWord In-Reply-To: <92f764bf48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <92f764bf48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk>, Alan Muscat wrote: > In message <48bf522c3ddf.symes@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > All very interesting, but I've never managed to load any Word files > > using > > !TransWord... not a single one. > > > > "Document is too old for this version of Transword." > > "Document is too new for this version of Transword." > > > > Obviously far too Version specific to be of much use as it stands. > > I suppose there is a version of Word it'll load... I have a couple of > > versions of Word but as you see... > > > At the moment I think Transword is only built for Word 6. > Alan Muscat 'Fraid not, I get, Document too old for this version of Transword, if I try a Word 6 Document. Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 23:15:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87327 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 23:14:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915572889:20:08390:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 21:48:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107684; 5 Jan 99 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA17019 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:34:14 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17013 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:34:01 GMT Received: from steeman.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via std99-19.Sittard.NL.net [193.79.45.244] with SMTP for id WAA14923 (8.8.8/1.10); Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:34:22 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:23:50 +0000 (GMT) From: "J.Steeman" Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <87180@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: ing. J. Steeman, Spaubeek/Beek, Netherlands, ++.31.46.443.2204 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB17019 Status: R On Mon 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > >PDF will become the standard fileformat for DTP exchange between > >packages and platforms. >=20 > And this *is* good news, because unlike Quark files (?) it is > documented. >=20 > >would import of PS or PDF files in Ovation Pro be possible? >=20 > But I have a question for you, does PDF (unlike PS) contain > document structuring information e.g. this bit of text is part > of a text story in a text frame which is linked to another text > frame? >=20 > Because one of the troubles with reading PS is that you lose > such structure... >=20 >=20 It doesn't!=20 >=20 > David Pilling >=20 > --=20 > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1= LR. UK. >=20 >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message >=20 >=20 >=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \|||/=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 @ @ ------------------------------------------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo J.P.M. Steeman, Berkenlaan 35, NL-6176 DD Spaubeek, Netherlands Tel.: ++.31.46.443.2204, e-mail: Steeman.J@net.hcc.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Microsoft Windows: a virus with mouse support -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 6 01:34:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87341 for opro ; Wed, 06 Jan 99 01:34:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915578330:20:19794:2; Tue, 05 Jan 99 23:18:50 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019352; 5 Jan 99 23:18 GMT Received: from [158.152.58.5] (helo=omba.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxfja-0000rQ-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:17:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: David Pilling Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:48:38 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bfdc4f97Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Survival of OP Content-Type: text/plain On 05 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >I would like to stand up and be counted as one of many supporters who I am > >sure would be willing to dip their hands in their pockets and contribute to > >its continuing development. > Thanks for the offers of support 8-) > We'll have to see how things go... > As you may have gathered I think the people who have bought the program have > done enough, I'd much rather fund further developments from elsewhere. Me also, I'm willing to pay. As I program for a living I am also *not* one of those people who believe that either support for current product levels or development of new features should cost nearly nothing... This is especially true when you contrast the excellent support that users get from people like you, Jonathan Duddington etc, with the very much worse service from certain other (larger) companies... -- -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 03:07:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87360 for opro ; Wed, 06 Jan 99 03:07:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915591676:20:05284:18; Wed, 06 Jan 99 03:01:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005202; 6 Jan 99 3:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA17442 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:33:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA17437 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:33:43 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxinQ-0007f2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:34:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 99 02:06:05 GMT Message-Id: <87351@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Because one of the troubles with reading PS is that you lose >> such structure... >It doesn't! Oh yes it does. Its somewhat worse than making an egg out of an omlette. I have an OPro document with a style "MyStyle" in, I print to PS, I see no sign of that style name in the PS file... >BTW, I read a post from Convergence regarding Acorn releasing RiscOs 4 from >the middle of this month. Does this indicate that there is some grounds for >optimism regarding the long term future of RiscOs? One point of view is that Acorn are crudely converting one of their last assets into cash, which they will fritter away on digital video. In doing so they will make things harder for any third party effort to develop RISC OS in the future. However since Acorn no longer talk to developers I've no idea if that opinion reflects reality. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 14:11:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87363 for opro ; Wed, 06 Jan 99 14:11:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915614189:20:04942:42; Wed, 06 Jan 99 09:16:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004956; 6 Jan 99 9:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA17807 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:59:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17802 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:58:50 GMT Received: from [194.222.71.242] (helo=blencathra) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxoo8-00019S-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:59:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:19:08 GMT From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP Message-ID: <5921c9bf48.philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> References: <5304461605011999/A02445/CAUV40/11D12C2D2C00*@MHS> In-Reply-To: <5304461605011999/A02445/CAUV40/11D12C2D2C00*@MHS> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.75a (MsgServe) (RISC-OS/3.50) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.23 (23 Dec 1998) alpha-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <5304461605011999/A02445/CAUV40/11D12C2D2C00*@MHS> Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: >David Pilling wrote: >> >>As you may have gathered I think the people who have bought the >>program have done enough, I'd much rather fund further >>developments from elsewhere. >> > >While I agree with the above, if the choice is between paying for >support, or having no support, then there is no contest. > >Count me in if necessary. > Sorry but I'll have to add a 'Me Too'. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 14:11:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87362 for opro ; Wed, 06 Jan 99 14:11:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915609767:10:13178:16; Wed, 06 Jan 99 08:02:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013156; 6 Jan 99 8:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA17644 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:39:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA17638 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:39:41 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.58) [193.149.69.58] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zxnZT-0006Ar-00; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:40:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 5 Jan 99 (18:42:41 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Survival of OP Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 5 Jan 99 (14:36:39), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >>I would like to stand up and be counted as one of many supporters who >>I am sure would be willing to dip their hands in their pockets and >>contribute to its continuing development. >Thanks for the offers of support 8-) >We'll have to see how things go... >As you may have gathered I think the people who have bought the program >have done enough, I'd much rather fund further developments from >elsewhere. Thanks David, for this very professional attitude. However, those of us who have already bought OPro have probably invested much more in it in terms of time (to learn the package and create documents) then we ever spent buying it. It would be tragic if this was wasted due to the current situation in the Acorn marketplace. To provide funds for Opro's continued development would be far cheaper then to go through the expense of converting to anything else (which would almost certainly be far less satisfactory to use anyway). For this reason I remain prepared to pay whatever is the necessary amount to ensure continued upgrades and developments. Obviously, if you can manage without this then that is even better ;-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 14:11:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87368 for opro ; Wed, 06 Jan 99 14:11:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915618124:10:18681:15; Wed, 06 Jan 99 10:22:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018276; 6 Jan 99 10:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA17953 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:55:41 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17948 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:55:29 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.126] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zxpfo-0003q9-00; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:54:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:45:48 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP Message-ID: <47a18c048%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <87180@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <87180@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hi, > > >PDF will become the standard fileformat for DTP exchange between > >packages and platforms. > > And this *is* good news, because unlike Quark files (?) it is > documented. > > >would import of PS or PDF files in Ovation Pro be possible? > > But I have a question for you, does PDF (unlike PS) contain > document structuring information e.g. this bit of text is part > of a text story in a text frame which is linked to another text > frame? > > Because one of the troubles with reading PS is that you lose > such structure... > PDF surely can't contain such structure information - because the main way of producing PDFs is to 'distill' them from the PS file. I have been able to produce some very nice PDFs from OvPro documents (using Acrobat on a PC). But I can assure you that they never saw anything more than the PS file. But perhaps there is a variant PDF format which allows such information to be stored. If PDF is becoming such hot news in the prepress workflow, there must be something more to it (???) David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 14:12:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87376 for opro ; Wed, 06 Jan 99 14:12:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915629676:20:05369:15; Wed, 06 Jan 99 13:34:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005244; 6 Jan 99 13:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA18339 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:09:20 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA18334 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:09:06 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:09:32 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA01535 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:07:39 GMT Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:07:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Upgrade and HD name problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48b877bd30rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Dec, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , > Alf Chamings wrote: > > > 2 I have also been mucking about with my harddisc name (wish I hadn't!). > > Now when I try to use OvPro I am told that it was not installed on this > > device, and to drag the icon to the program installer window. I have > > tried running !install from my 2.46 disc and dragging the new !OvPro to > > it, but it tells me it's the wrong installer. I take it this is a clash > > of version numbers. > > You need to reinstall 2.46 and then upgrade it again to 2.51. > > If you keep the Autorun, Library and Applets directories from your > existing 2.51 you can just replace the ones in the new 2.46 version with > the 2.51 set. Many thanks - although that was not the problem. I have at last found the problem - its BlackHole dustbin program (it wasn't sufficient to Quit a Module had to be removed as well) Don -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 14:12:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87378 for opro ; Wed, 06 Jan 99 14:12:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915623686:10:24783:15; Wed, 06 Jan 99 11:54:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105954; 6 Jan 99 11:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA18149 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:29:08 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18144 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:28:56 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA30698 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:25:16 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-2.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.133] with SMTP for id MAA11655 (8.8.8/1.10); Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:23:59 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:03:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <47a18c048%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 06 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > In message <87180@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > >PDF will become the standard fileformat for DTP exchange between > > >packages and platforms. > > > > And this *is* good news, because unlike Quark files (?) it is > > documented. > > > > >would import of PS or PDF files in Ovation Pro be possible? > > > > But I have a question for you, does PDF (unlike PS) contain > > document structuring information e.g. this bit of text is part > > of a text story in a text frame which is linked to another text > > frame? > > > > Because one of the troubles with reading PS is that you lose > > such structure... > > > > PDF surely can't contain such structure information - because the > main way of producing PDFs is to 'distill' them from the PS file. > I have been able to produce some very nice PDFs from OvPro documents > (using Acrobat on a PC). But I can assure you that they never saw > anything more than the PS file. > > But perhaps there is a variant PDF format which allows such information > to be stored. If PDF is becoming such hot news in the prepress workflow, > there must be something more to it (???) Check comp.publish.prepress subjects 'PDF' and 'K2' and you'll be informed what's coming. For the people who have problems to get their Ovation documents printed by printshops that only accept Quark files the information is important too. Messages about PDF prepress workflow appear quite often there. To return to the subject of this thread by pointing at a thread in c.p.p.. The conclusion of the thread 'GNU/Linux in the Prepress World' was, that there's a lack of DTP software on Linux. Ovation Pro could fit there. It could provide a smooth transfer for existing users as well. Don't forget to add a Spanish dictionary as the Mexicans will use Linux for all their schools :-) Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 15:09:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87394 for opro ; Wed, 06 Jan 99 15:09:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915633850:10:19988:30; Wed, 06 Jan 99 14:44:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105674; 6 Jan 99 14:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA18482 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:24 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18477 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxtWj-00053F-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:38 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:36:47 GMT Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:36:39 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !TransWord Message-ID: <539c2dc048%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48bfc933aadf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48bfc933aadf.symes@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <92f764bf48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk>, > Alan Muscat wrote: > > In message <48bf522c3ddf.symes@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > All very interesting, but I've never managed to load any Word files > > > using > > > !TransWord... not a single one. > > > > > > "Document is too old for this version of Transword." > > > "Document is too new for this version of Transword." > > > > > > Obviously far too Version specific to be of much use as it stands. > > > I suppose there is a version of Word it'll load... I have a couple of > > > versions of Word but as you see... > > > > > > At the moment I think Transword is only built for Word 6. > > > Alan Muscat > > 'Fraid not, I get, Document too old for this version of Transword, if I > try a Word 6 Document. > Interesting. I'm fairly certain I've had word six files load. The other day sosmeone sent me a word 2 file! I couldn't load that in. I've certainly had plenty of files go through transword without trouble. In fact I've got some word six files still. I'll just go and check. Sorry couldn't remember whether or not they were Word 6. I'm almost sure one was Word 97. That was a 56 page doc handled no problem. It not only retains the text formating it it also converts the styles to OP styles. So it well worth having. It also tells you if there was a graphic at some point. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 17:22:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87401 for opro ; Wed, 06 Jan 99 17:22:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915637361:10:28907:15; Wed, 06 Jan 99 15:42:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025321; 6 Jan 99 15:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA18668 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:11:27 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18663 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:11:10 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA31767 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:07:39 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-67.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.198] with SMTP for id QAA21826 (8.8.8/1.10); Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:06:33 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:49:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <87351@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 06 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > One point of view is that Acorn are crudely converting one of their last > assets into cash, which they will fritter away on digital video. In doing so > they will make things harder for any third party effort to develop RISC OS > in the future. However since Acorn no longer talk to developers I've > no idea if that opinion reflects reality. Yesterday there should have been a meeting of dealers and developers. Today a proposal will be made to Acorn on the licensing of RiscOs. That's what I have seen written somewhere. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 01:29:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87449 for opro ; Thu, 07 Jan 99 01:29:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915669781:10:27162:25; Thu, 07 Jan 99 00:43:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026828; 7 Jan 99 0:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA19544 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:27:00 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA19539 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:26:48 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zy3IH-0003QO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:27:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:38:59 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Delete/Overtype To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all A seasonal surfacing with another request... Using OP 251 and a host of applets. A while back I used to be able to double-click on a word, to highlight it, and then type in the new word and the highlighted one would disappear. This no longer happens for some reason. Is is a change in 251 from 250, or could there be an applet at the root of it? I know the logical way is to remove all the applets and reboot and see what happens, but it is the start of term and time is not my ally at the mo. Any bright ideas? 15w ones accepted too... MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 03:42:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87467 for opro ; Thu, 07 Jan 99 03:42:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915676424:10:24930:15; Thu, 07 Jan 99 02:33:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024856; 7 Jan 99 2:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA19739 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:06:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA19721 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:05:50 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zy4qC-0007F1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:06:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 99 01:44:48 GMT Message-Id: <87458@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Delete/Overtype X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Using OP 251 and a host of applets. A while back I used to be able to >double-click on a word, to highlight it, and then type in the new word and >the highlighted one would disappear. This no longer happens for some >reason. Is is a change in 251 from 250 It is not a change in 2.51. 'Overtype' in Choices->Text has to be selected for it to work. >I know the logical way is to remove all the applets and reboot and see what >happens, but it is the start of term and time is not my ally at the mo. Quick way to disable all applets, open !OvnPro and rename Applets something else like 'xxxx'. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 03:42:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87468 for opro ; Thu, 07 Jan 99 03:42:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915677582:10:11190:18; Thu, 07 Jan 99 02:53:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011089; 7 Jan 99 2:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA19741 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:06:33 GMT Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18195 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:44:02 GMT Received: from ecdbvxs4all.nl (dc2-modem776.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.8]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28623; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:44:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:40:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Euro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Rob Hemmings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="124495-1603566409-915626400=:1904222667" X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This message is in MIME format. If you are reading this text, then your mail package doesn't fully support MIME - there may be a newer release available from your supplier. Created using the !Marcel mail package from ANT Ltd --124495-1603566409-915626400=:1904222667 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hello, Did anybody on 'the list' put a Euro sign in a font? I tried it (with Draw2Fnt) and placed the Euro on alt128 (in Homerton Bold). It appears on screen but I can't print it (from Draw). Any solution? I attached the Euro + Homerton Bold in this doc. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Tel. +31(0)70 319 4343 Fax: +31(0)70 319 4963 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail : ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail : avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail : info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage : http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 13:54:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87471 for opro ; Thu, 07 Jan 99 13:54:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915691362:10:28219:17; Thu, 07 Jan 99 06:42:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028147; 7 Jan 99 6:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA20041 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:32:45 GMT Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA20036 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:32:33 GMT Received: from ecdbvxs4all.nl (dc2-modem2148.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.136.100]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA02354 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:33:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:29:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Euro2 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, Something most have gone wrong so I 'bounced' the original message from my 'sent box'. It was a question about the Euro sign + an example of Homerton including that sign but wouldn't print. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Tel. +31(0)70 319 4343 Fax: +31(0)70 319 4963 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail : ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail : avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail : info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage : http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 13:54:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87473 for opro ; Thu, 07 Jan 99 13:54:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915696855:20:26639:15; Thu, 07 Jan 99 08:14:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122129; 7 Jan 99 8:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA20229 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:52:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA20224 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:51:46 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.34) [194.69.101.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zyAF0-0004Z6-00; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:52:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 07:38:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c090a999df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Euro In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Andr van den Berg wrote: > Hello, > Did anybody on 'the list' put a Euro sign in > a font? > I tried it (with Draw2Fnt) and placed the Euro > on alt128 (in Homerton Bold). It appears on screen > but I can't print it (from Draw). > Any solution? > I attached the Euro + Homerton Bold in this doc. > > Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, > Andre van den Berg Hi Andre, Tried something like that myself without much success. As a temporory measure I resorted to creating a single character Euro Font with the Euro at Alt-164. Funnily enough it does work quite well. If you'd like a copy to play with, email me and I'll send. cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.10d -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 13:54:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87474 for opro ; Thu, 07 Jan 99 13:54:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915696976:20:29242:17; Thu, 07 Jan 99 08:16:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029132; 7 Jan 99 8:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA20276 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:59:36 GMT Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA20269 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:59:23 GMT Received: from ecdbvxs4all.nl (dc2-modem2149.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.136.101]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26566 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:00:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:56:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Euro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48c090a999df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hallo Dave, > If you'd like a copy to play with, email me and I'll send. Yes please. As we Dutch are more into Euro than the UK it's a more actual problem.... Thanks in advance. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Tel. +31(0)70 319 4343 Fax: +31(0)70 319 4963 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail : ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail : avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail : info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage : http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 15:40:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87504 for opro ; Thu, 07 Jan 99 15:40:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915723020:20:09394:17; Thu, 07 Jan 99 15:30:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009263; 7 Jan 99 15:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA20790 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:10:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20781 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:09:43 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zyH4s-00009p-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:10:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 99 14:02:30 GMT Message-Id: <87487@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Euro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Something most have gone wrong so I 'bounced' > the original message from my 'sent box'. Majordomo intercepts file postings to this list. It is set up this way on purpose... >Please find attached an Eurofont (converted by someone (forgot who) from >Adobe Type-1 font) which works and prints OK. Great, if you've got files that other users would find useful, send them to Chris Johnson for upload to the alternative OPro web site. http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 15:41:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87505 for opro ; Thu, 07 Jan 99 15:41:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915723134:10:19064:15; Thu, 07 Jan 99 15:32:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019044; 7 Jan 99 15:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA20788 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:10:03 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20595 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:56:10 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1/NLR 13/08/98) with SMTP id LAA13717; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:56:53 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:56:23 +0100 (GMT) From: "F.R.Polak" Subject: Re: Euro2 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1; BOUNDARY="953915-1784828741-915710183=:1491512583" X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This message is in MIME format. If you are reading this text, then your mail package doesn't fully support MIME - there may be a newer release available from your supplier. Created using the !Marcel mail package from ANT Ltd --953915-1784828741-915710183=:1491512583 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Thu 07 Jan, Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Something most have gone wrong so I 'bounced' > the original message from my 'sent box'. >=20 > It was a question about the Euro sign + an > example of Homerton including that sign but > wouldn't print. >=20 Please find attached an Eurofont (converted by someone (forgot who) from Adobe Type-1 font) which works and prints OK. It gives an eurofont from the =A3, $, E keys or from Alt-128. I have also a larger set which gives an eurofont from any key, converted by me from the complete Adobe Type-1 set as published on their website, using the Acorn !T1toFont program. Cheers, Frits Polak --=20 Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 23:33:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87541 for opro ; Thu, 07 Jan 99 23:33:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915748963:20:20436:22; Thu, 07 Jan 99 22:42:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020288; 7 Jan 99 22:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA21469 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:20:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21464 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:20:39 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zyNnz-0000b6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:21:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 99 22:10:23 GMT Message-Id: <87534@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Euro2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It was a question about the Euro sign + an >example of Homerton including that sign but >wouldn't print. Two things come to mind. Firstly it was Homerton so there's a copy of the font in ROM which might over ride a disc based one. Second for a PS printer the font may not get downloaded into the printer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 14:07:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87568 for opro ; Fri, 08 Jan 99 14:07:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915789571:20:18502:16; Fri, 08 Jan 99 09:59:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108778; 8 Jan 99 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA21951 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:32:55 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21946 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:32:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zyYIM-0000O4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:33:31 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:53:07 GMT Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:50:05 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Euro Message-ID: <6024cec048%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hallo Dave, > > > > If you'd like a copy to play with, email me and I'll send. > > Yes please. As we Dutch are more into Euro than the UK it's > a more actual problem.... You could have it as your 'single shift Font'. Would make life easier for you. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 14:07:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87570 for opro ; Fri, 08 Jan 99 14:07:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915798329:20:08332:33; Fri, 08 Jan 99 12:25:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008113; 8 Jan 99 12:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA22196 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:02:35 GMT Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA22191 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:02:22 GMT Received: from a.esplen.btinternet.com.btinternet.com [62.172.93.105] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zyadR-0000iH-00; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:03:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Subject: Re: Euro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-URL: none X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Those seeking Euro font information may find this site useful. Not orientated to Acorn unfortunately but two other well know systems. Regards Alan http://www.lboro.ac.uk/computing/info/y2k/euro.html -- Alan Esplen Great Waltham, Essex, England. email: a.esplen@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 14:07:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87573 for opro ; Fri, 08 Jan 99 14:07:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915804099:20:05549:17; Fri, 08 Jan 99 14:01:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106817; 8 Jan 99 13:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA22445 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:41:09 GMT Received: from wide.horizon.nl (root@wide.horizon.nl [195.193.108.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22440 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:40:56 GMT Received: from xat.horizon.nl (pm03-38.horizon.nl [195.193.108.118]) by wide.horizon.nl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02944 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:41:51 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:41:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: Euro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 08 Jan, Alan wrote: > > Those seeking Euro font information may find this site useful. > Not orientated to Acorn unfortunately but two other well know systems. > http://www.lboro.ac.uk/computing/info/y2k/euro.html I've looked and found that the symbol displayed on that page does *NOT* conform to the official Euro standard. The lowest horizontal bar is too short. If anyone needs it, I've got the official Euro symbol as a draw file. Regards, Paul Reuvers -- X-Ample Technology bv P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 14:08:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87583 for opro ; Fri, 08 Jan 99 14:08:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915804248:10:22483:15; Fri, 08 Jan 99 14:04:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022306; 8 Jan 99 14:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA22427 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:35:41 GMT Received: from wide.horizon.nl (root@wide.horizon.nl [195.193.108.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22422 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:35:16 GMT Received: from xat.horizon.nl (pm03-38.horizon.nl [195.193.108.118]) by wide.horizon.nl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02719 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:35:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:35:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: Euro2 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <87534@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 07 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >It was a question about the Euro sign + an > >example of Homerton including that sign but > >wouldn't print. > > Two things come to mind. Firstly it was Homerton so > there's a copy of the font in ROM which might > over ride a disc based one. I've experienced this problem before myself. It seems very comfusing to have homerton both in ROM and on Disc. This may well upset the system and occasionaly lead to disappearing desktop font. > Second for a PS printer > the font may not get downloaded into the printer. By default the Homerton name is translated to Helevetica by the Acorn printer driver, rather that downloaded. Try creating a new font, with a different name, say Euro, and it should work. Question: Does anyone know if there is an official ASCII code assigned to the Euro symbol under the ISO Latin alphabet? Cheers, Paul Reuvers -- X-Ample Technology bv P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 14:43:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87596 for opro ; Fri, 08 Jan 99 14:43:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915804963:20:17903:29; Fri, 08 Jan 99 14:16:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106854; 8 Jan 99 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA22534 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:56:40 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22522 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:56:26 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:56:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 13:55:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c136f761C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Euro In-Reply-To: <87487@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <87487@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > > Something most have gone wrong so I 'bounced' > > the original message from my 'sent box'. > Majordomo intercepts file postings to this list. It is set up this way on > purpose... > >Please find attached an Eurofont (converted by someone (forgot who) from > >Adobe Type-1 font) which works and prints OK. > Great, if you've got files that other users would find useful, > send them to Chris Johnson for upload to the alternative OPro web site. > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Other persons have also mentioned files etc in connection with the euro. If anyone has anything they think would be useful to other users, then simply e-mail them as an attachment in the usual way (I am using a Risc PC so no problem dealing with the files) to C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk and I will put them on the site. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 17:48:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87614 for opro ; Fri, 08 Jan 99 17:48:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915816815:10:05896:15; Fri, 08 Jan 99 17:33:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102797; 8 Jan 99 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA22949 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:11:44 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22944 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:11:28 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA17547 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:12:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199901081712.SAA17547@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 08 Jan 1999 15:18:32 GMT Subject: Re: Making own colours MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >Dear all > >I have successfully made some new colours in OPro using Edit-New Colours... >however, when I quit from Opro and re-load, the colours are no longer there. > >How do I save my new colours in with the old ones permanently? You might put Your colours in a new file in !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.Colours. so it will be a new palette. Alternatively create Your colours in a blank document and save that as default. Both methods install Your colours permanently. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 9 14:33:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87659 for opro ; Sat, 09 Jan 99 14:33:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915872250:10:29744:15; Sat, 09 Jan 99 08:57:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101258; 9 Jan 99 8:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA23712 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:43:17 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23707 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:43:00 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-66.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.197] with SMTP for id JAA18490 (8.8.8/1.10); Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:44:04 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:02:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Euro2 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 08 Jan, Paul Reuvers wrote: > Question: > Does anyone know if there is an official ASCII code > assigned to the Euro symbol under the ISO Latin alphabet? This is information that I had about 6 months ago, there may have been changes during that period; Bitstream are currently producing Euro evaluation fonts for developers and have currently assigned ASCII/ANSI 128 for these tests. Apparently Microsoft are thinking of putting it there too but that is not confirmed. There's a FAQ on this subject at M$ Typography Features. The Unicode assignment given there is 20AC Updates for the core fonts of W95/NT are available at the free fonts page. In something like Chars you can choose the Euro in Symbols. W98 and WNT5 will have Unicode support and codepage support. The symbol will be added to the following codepages at position '0x80'; 1250 Eastern Europe, 1252 Western, 1253 Greek, 1254 Turkish etc. In 1251 Cyrillic the symbol will be added at position '0x88'. There's a codepage-support and keyboard-drivers patch for WNT4 available. For existing types of keyboards there are some diagrams how to access the Euro, all based on ECs recommendations; AltGr+e and AltGr mainly. Of course for printing the font has to be downloaded to the printer. Apple does it with Unicode and GX features. Adobe have added the Euro to their Symbol font. It is encoded at position 240 of the symbol font encoding array. M$ will include the symbol within all the original fonts they produce. For example in Comic Sans in a comic interpretation (to test ECs humour I guess). More is found on that site; Euro +symbol +fonts in AltaVista gives even more information and solutions. Not that I understand all of what is written including my text above. The trend all over is to incorporate the symbol in the fonts to make the typography better. That wasn't the idea of the EC but you can't trust them on all the things they have to do. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:49:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87689 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:49:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915979753:10:23667:16; Sun, 10 Jan 99 14:49:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023504; 10 Jan 99 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA25470 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:34:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA25459 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:34:14 GMT Received: from (argby92.argonet.co.uk) [194.69.101.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zzLxn-0005nM-00; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:35:36 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:33:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Cleave Subject: Internal Error To: Ovation Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R A while ago I reported a serious error and still can't get over it. When using !Impact and OvationPro and trying to merge a Table I get Internal Error: no stack for trap handler and Ovation crashes out! I am using a RiscPC 600 with 42mb. Help! -- _____ O |__| \|__|_ _/ \_/_///_] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/philc ___\__/ (_)____ mailto://philc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:49:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87693 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:49:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915979644:20:27499:19; Sun, 10 Jan 99 14:47:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128209; 10 Jan 99 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA25471 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:34:38 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA25463 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:34:16 GMT Received: from (argby92.argonet.co.uk) [194.69.101.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zzLxq-0005nM-00; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:35:39 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:34:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Cleave Subject: Importing Draw files To: Ovation Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am using OvationPro and am having problems importing a draw file. I create a frame and drag file to it but ovation gives Error 3 and crashes. Any Ideas -- _____ O |__| \|__|_ _/ \_/_///_] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/philc ___\__/ (_)____ mailto://philc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:49:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87697 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:49:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915982820:20:15771:15; Sun, 10 Jan 99 15:40:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015723; 10 Jan 99 15:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA25716 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:24:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25711 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:24:17 GMT Received: from [194.222.185.234] (helo=moor-lane.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zzMkF-0006gb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:25:40 +0000 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:24:00 +0000 (GMT) From: allan harris Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro In-Reply-To: <5304461605011999/A02445/CAUV40/11D12C2D2C00*@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 05 Jan, Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > > > As you may have gathered I think the people who have bought the program > have > > done enough, I'd much rather fund further developments from elsewhere. > > > > While I agree with the above, if the choice is between paying for support, > or having no support, then there is no contest. > > Count me in if necessary. > Count me in as well. I have a RiscPC here next to a Dan PC, which is OK but the difference in screen quality, never mind the usability, when typing is so noticeable that I simply won't use the PC for any written work. Ovation Pro is brilliant, the support system must be pretty unique. When will other systems get decent on-screen anti-aliased text? I know the latest MacOS does have it and Microsoft I believe has an add-on at great cost, but not in the kernel of the system. It really is a worry as realistically Acorn workstations seem to be dead; I am sure that they could have planned the demise with greater skill but that's another story. -- Allan Harris, GP, Haxby, York YO32 2PH tel 01904-768666 work 01904-760125, fax 750168 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:49:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87700 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:49:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915986047:20:03313:16; Sun, 10 Jan 99 16:34:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120365; 10 Jan 99 16:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA25881 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:19:47 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA25876 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:19:35 GMT Received: from [158.152.217.190] (helo=necpwa.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zzNbm-00019w-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:20:58 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:28:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Tony Simons Subject: Re: Importing Draw files To: Ovation Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: NECPWA, York. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 10 Jan, Philip Cleave wrote: > I am using OvationPro and am having problems importing a draw file. > > I create a frame and drag file to it but ovation gives Error 3 and > crashes. > > Any Ideas > -- Is it a Drawfile or is it a drawfile with something else in it, i.e. a jpeg? -- Tony Simons North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:49:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87701 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:49:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915996198:20:10286:15; Sun, 10 Jan 99 19:23:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010187; 10 Jan 99 19:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA26253 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:12:29 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26248 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:12:17 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.219]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA1508 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:13:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:14:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c26161d1delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Ruler Guidelines Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro To all! When I try to create a Ruler Guideline (see section 8.4 in the User Manual), then I can't manage to keep it there. As soon as I click somewhere, the guideline disappears. This implies that I can't create more than one guideline neither. Besides, when using facing pages, I can't manage to create a horizontal guideline on the right page, nor a vertical one on the left page. Who is able to help? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:49:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87703 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:49:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915996440:20:14063:15; Sun, 10 Jan 99 19:27:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013962; 10 Jan 99 19:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA26213 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:09:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26207 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:09:23 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.120) [193.149.80.120] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zzQG6-00037f-00; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:10:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c25b8733sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10e for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: <3691A482.DCB62610@netvision.net.il> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <3691A482.DCB62610@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > A. M. Smith wrote: > > > > On 31 Dec, SPS wrote: > > to David Pilling > > > > large snip . . . > > > > >If however there is some way in > > > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > > > continued development please could you let us know. > > > > > Finally as a user of your software and a recipient of your help on > > > occasions I would like to thank you for your contribution to the Acorn > > > scene over the years. Happy New Year. > > I'd like to second this but *please let us know how we can support your > > work*, David > Maybe some of us could get together and set up a non-profit body called > "The Ovation Foundation", or whatever, and pay David for doing > updates, rather as Gerald Fitton is doing with Fireworkz. I would be > prepared to put in some initial cash as a starter. > Michael Ben-Gershon > mybg@netvision.net.il Now this sounds a good idea - I'm sure there would be lots of people who would be interested. I certainly am! Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:49:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87704 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:49:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915995958:10:20293:17; Sun, 10 Jan 99 19:19:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020180; 10 Jan 99 19:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA26181 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:06:46 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26174 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:06:31 GMT Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zzQDL-00036b-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:07:55 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:54:46 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: OPro Version 2.52 To: Ovation Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David, I received a copy of Risc User over this weekend. On the back of the issue, it was advertising version 2.52 of Ovation Pro. Have I missed something? Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:49:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87706 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:49:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916005896:10:01362:20; Sun, 10 Jan 99 22:04:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103114; 10 Jan 99 22:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA26719 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:53:35 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA26711 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:53:15 GMT Received: from lizard (dialup018.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.50]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA01407 for < Message-ID: <36999219.7C8C@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:54:33 -0800 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: White gaps etc. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Tekst & Uitleg wrote: > > Another thing we noticed: white gaps between photopicture and border (0,25 > mm). The strange thing is: when you zoom in you don't see the gap. And on a > rough print you also don't see it. On film (high resolution) you do. Even > when you increase the scaling of the picture (not the frame) the white gap > remains. It's only on one side of the frame. Most of the time at the bottom, > but we saw it also on the left in a few cases. What is going on there? > This was posted in July but I don't recall ever seeing any response. The same problem occured in the latest issue of Acorn Publisher (Portfolio pages for those who subscribe). Is there any way of avoiding this? Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:50:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87708 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:50:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916008822:10:11587:15; Sun, 10 Jan 99 22:53:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111542; 10 Jan 99 22:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA26917 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:43:30 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA26910 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:43:09 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.89) [193.149.73.89] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zzTaz-0006yc-00; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:44:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Alan P Dawes) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Jan 99 20:14:45 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Internal Error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Philip Cleave wrote: >I am using OvationPro and am having problems importing a draw file. >I create a frame and drag file to it but ovation gives Error 3 and crashes. and >When using !Impact and OvationPro and trying to merge a Table I get Internal >Error: no stack for trap handler and Ovation crashes out! >I am using a RiscPC 600 with 42mb. This suggests you have in your RiscPC 2MB Vram, a 32Mb SIMM and an 8Mb SIMM. Try removing the 8Mb SIMM and see if your problems go away. There are well known timing problems that bug some RiscPCs particularly with certain combinations of SIMMs. These can result in errors when memory used by progs overlap the join between the 2 SIMMs. Sometimes removing the electrolytic corrosion that forms on the VRAM and SIMMs connectors over time can reduce the stray capacitance - every 6 months or so I have to remove the SIMMs and VRAM, clean the connectors with switch cleaner and put a very thin coating of electrolube on them before putting them back in their sockets to overcome these problems. Recently, when upgrading to 98Mb, I found that one make of 64Mb SIMM would not work properly whereas another make did, but in a different RiscPC and also when tried in an Acorn NC they both worked perfectly. If you must keep both the 8 and 32 MB SIMMs then put the 32Mb one in the first SIMM slot so the occasions when any memory is used in the 8Mb one and thus overlap of memory will be rare. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | lorraine.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | sara.dawes@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:50:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87713 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:50:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916050808:10:25275:17; Mon, 11 Jan 99 10:33:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115372; 11 Jan 99 10:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA27671 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:00:28 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA27665 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:00:12 GMT Received: from (argby92.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.94.56] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zze8t-0005UD-00; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:00:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:53:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Cleave Subject: Re: Importing Draw files To: Ovation Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 10 Jan, Tony Simons wrote: > Is it a Drawfile or is it a drawfile with something else in it, i.e. a > jpeg? No just an ordinary draw file! -- _____ O |__| \|__|_ _/ \_/_///_] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/philc ___\__/ (_)____ mailto://philc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:50:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87719 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:50:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916050834:20:06334:16; Mon, 11 Jan 99 10:33:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005555; 11 Jan 99 10:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA27677 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:00:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA27672 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:00:36 GMT Received: from (argby92.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.94.56] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zze8w-0005UD-00; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:00:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:59:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Cleave Subject: Re: Internal Error To: Ovation Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 10 Jan, Alan P Dawes wrote: > This suggests you have in your RiscPC 2MB Vram, a 32Mb SIMM and an 8Mb SIMM. > Try removing the 8Mb SIMM and see if your problems go away. There are well > known timing problems that bug some RiscPCs particularly with certain > combinations of SIMMs. These can result in errors when memory used by progs > overlap the join between the 2 SIMMs. Sometimes removing the electrolytic > corrosion that forms on the VRAM and SIMMs connectors over time can reduce the > stray capacitance - every 6 months or so I have to remove the SIMMs and VRAM, > clean the connectors with switch cleaner and put a very thin coating of > electrolube on them before putting them back in their sockets to overcome these > problems. > If you must keep both the 8 and 32 MB SIMMs then put the 32Mb one in the first > SIMM slot so the occasions when any memory is used in the 8Mb one and thus > overlap of memory will be rare. Thanks for suggestions I will try later. One thing I did try was to switch on holding escape so that the !Boot file wasn't run. So that all I had was the basic desktop, then ran !OvationPro and !Impact, but still the same problem. regards Phil > -- > --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- > |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk > | | |\ | | | | |\| | | lorraine.dawes@argonet.co.uk > | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | sara.dawes@argonet.co.uk > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- _____ O |__| \|__|_ _/ \_/_///_] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/philc ___\__/ (_)____ mailto://philc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:50:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87725 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:50:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916059522:20:18042:15; Mon, 11 Jan 99 12:58:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119558; 11 Jan 99 12:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA28006 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:18:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA28001 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:17:35 GMT Received: from (argby92.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.86.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zzgHU-0007cW-00; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:17:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:16:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Cleave Subject: Re: Internal Error To: Ovation Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 10 Jan, Alan P Dawes wrote: > Philip Cleave wrote: > >I am using OvationPro and am having problems importing a draw file. > > >I create a frame and drag file to it but ovation gives Error Type=3 > >and It also gives Internal error type=5! > >crashes. > > and > > >When using !Impact and OvationPro and trying to merge a Table I get Internal > >Error: no stack for trap handler and Ovation crashes out! > > >I am using a RiscPC 600 with 42mb. > > This suggests you have in your RiscPC 2MB Vram, a 32Mb SIMM and an 8Mb SIMM. > Try removing the 8Mb SIMM and see if your problems go away. There are well > known timing problems that bug some RiscPCs particularly with certain > combinations of SIMMs. These can result in errors when memory used by progs > overlap the join between the 2 SIMMs. Tried this and it is no different. :-( Just an example: If I try and load the examples "T21,T23,T25" from Ovation.Tutorial.Samples then the same happens. sigh. Phil -- _____ O |__| \|__|_ _/ \_/_///_] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/philc ___\__/ (_)____ mailto://philc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:51:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87728 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:51:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916069219:20:00375:15; Mon, 11 Jan 99 15:40:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024311; 11 Jan 99 15:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA28296 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:03:08 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA28291 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:02:52 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1/NLR 13/08/98) with SMTP id QAA17496; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:03:00 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:02:27 +0100 (GMT) From: "F.R.Polak" Subject: Re: Euro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <87487@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 07 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > Something most have gone wrong so I 'bounced' > > the original message from my 'sent box'. > > Majordomo intercepts file postings to this list. It is set up this way on > purpose... > > > >Please find attached an Eurofont (converted by someone (forgot who) from > >Adobe Type-1 font) which works and prints OK. > > Great, if you've got files that other users would find useful, > send them to Chris Johnson for upload to the alternative OPro web site. > > > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > I have just emailed it to him. -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:52:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87729 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:52:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916066115:10:22592:18; Mon, 11 Jan 99 14:48:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022464; 11 Jan 99 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA28200 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:25:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA28195 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:24:56 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.137) [193.149.71.137] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zziH7-0001mk-00; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:25:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:47:07 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c2b6c324richto@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.06i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Ruler Guidelines In-Reply-To: <48c26161d1delink@news.wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 10 Jan, Paul Sprangers wrote: > When I try to create a Ruler Guideline (see section 8.4 in the User > Manual), then I can't manage to keep it there. As soon as I click > somewhere, the guideline disappears. This implies that I can't create > more than one guideline neither. This would suggest that you either have "Guidelines" unticked in the View.Options dialogue, or you have "Guidlines to back" selected in Misc.Preferences.View (both from the Document menu). In either case, you are creating the guideline, but not seeing it when it is deselected. > Besides, when using facing pages, I can't manage to create a horizontal > guideline on the right page, nor a vertical one on the left page. Both work for me (but see above). -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers | 01736 757941 | Posting from a | | richto@argonet.co.uk | St. Erth, Cornwall | Wintel-free zone | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 17:52:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87733 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:52:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916073745:10:05533:15; Mon, 11 Jan 99 16:55:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119995; 11 Jan 99 16:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA28551 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:17:38 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA28545 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:17:22 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.65.23]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAB6CF9 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:17:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:17:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c2d4fe12delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Ruler Guidelines In-Reply-To: <48c2b6c324richto@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Richard Travers wrote: > > When I try to create a Ruler Guideline (see section 8.4 in the User > > Manual), then I can't manage to keep it there. As soon as I click > > somewhere, the guideline disappears. This implies that I can't create > > more than one guideline neither. > This would suggest that you either have "Guidelines" unticked in the > View.Options dialogue, or you have "Guidlines to back" selected in > Misc.Preferences.View (both from the Document menu). > In either case, you are creating the guideline, but not seeing it when it > is deselected. O, stupid me! I feel ashamed, as usual. > > Besides, when using facing pages, I can't manage to create a horizontal > > guideline on the right page, nor a vertical one on the left page. > Both work for me (but see above). But this still doesn't work for me. Horizontal guidelines only appear on the left pages and so on. Do you use the 'facing pages', thus, do you actually see two pages? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 20:49:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87761 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 20:49:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916083934:20:06913:15; Mon, 11 Jan 99 19:45:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006700; 11 Jan 99 19:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA28862 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:27:27 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA28857 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:27:11 GMT Received: (qmail 14024 invoked from network); 11 Jan 1999 19:27:20 -0000 Received: from 66-119.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.119) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 19:27:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:20:26 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: ArtWorks Auto Scaling Spill Message-ID: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have noticed that, unless an indent is set, ArtWorks in frmaes tend to not quite fit inside the frame when auto-scaled using 'Fit'. The problem is most noticeable when unfilled shapes (lines) are at the outer extremities of the picture -- there is a gap as it goes missing off the edge of the frame. This is visible when zooming in on the screen, and also when printed. It's simple to work around by setting a small indent for the frame. I've also had trouble with sprites in a different way: when a sprite is generously cropped inside a frame I still sometimes get a hairline white gap between frame border and picture, hardly noticeable on screen, more visible when printed. All the above observations were made using OvationPro 2.50, Arm 610, RiscOs 3.5, CC's TurboDrivers & a HP LaserJet 6L printer. Anybody else get these symptoms? Is this a known problem? Does 2.51 fix these? (I'm waiting for a suitable 'lull' to upgrade) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Text Pager: (+44) 0336 721439 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 22:41:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87799 for opro ; Mon, 11 Jan 99 22:41:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916092451:10:08819:15; Mon, 11 Jan 99 22:07:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008724; 11 Jan 99 22:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA29064 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:56:24 GMT Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29059 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:56:08 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-82-76.bar.es.ibm.net [139.92.82.76]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA13 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:55:40 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Ruler Guidelines To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48c2d4fe12delink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Oak Forest Maintenance X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 11 Jan, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Richard Travers wrote: > > > > When I try to create a Ruler Guideline (see section 8.4 in the > > > User Manual), then I can't manage to keep it there. As soon as I > > > click somewhere, the guideline disappears. This implies that I > > > can't create more than one guideline neither. > > > This would suggest that you either have "Guidelines" unticked in the > > View.Options dialogue, or you have "Guidlines to back" selected in > > Misc.Preferences.View (both from the Document menu). > > > In either case, you are creating the guideline, but not seeing it > > when it is deselected. > > O, stupid me! I feel ashamed, as usual. > Not at all. The question helps someone somewhere. In fact it prompts me to include the tip in a Guide (in Spanish) I am compiling. > > > Besides, when using facing pages, I can't manage to create a > > > horizontal guideline on the right page, nor a vertical one on the > > > left page. > > > Both work for me (but see above). > > But this still doesn't work for me. Horizontal guidelines only appear > on the left pages and so on. Do you use the 'facing pages', thus, do > you actually see two pages? > The trick here is to to scroll the page so that it butts up against the ruler. Also you can switch off Facing pages (in Options) to put in the guidelines. Kind regards, James -- ---------------- Acorns in Spain Tel:+34 971 872322 Fax:+34 971 872309 ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 01:25:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87803 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 01:25:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916095568:10:22524:29; Mon, 11 Jan 99 22:59:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022528; 11 Jan 99 22:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29229 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:19:15 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29204 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:18:00 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zzpew-0001lb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:18:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 99 22:05:37 GMT Message-Id: <87791@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ruler Guidelines X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Horizontal guidelines only appear on the left pages and so on. Believe it or not, I expect you to scroll the view to the left until the left hand ruler lies over the right hand page, when the guides will be added to the page you desire. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 01:26:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87804 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 01:25:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916095966:10:28576:15; Mon, 11 Jan 99 23:06:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110016; 11 Jan 99 23:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29221 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:18:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29184 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:17:49 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zzpeq-0001lb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:18:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 99 21:52:00 GMT Message-Id: <87783@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Internal Error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When using !Impact and OvationPro and trying to merge a Table I get >Internal Error: no stack for trap handler and Ovation crashes out! My suspicion is that the Impulse applet has some sort of a bug, and I'll email you a copy of a new version which may fix it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 01:26:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87808 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 01:26:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916096890:10:12142:16; Mon, 11 Jan 99 23:21:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012018; 11 Jan 99 23:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29223 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:19:05 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29189 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:17:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zzpes-0001lb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:18:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 99 21:52:07 GMT Message-Id: <87785@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Importing Draw files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am using OvationPro and am having problems importing a draw file. >I create a frame and drag file to it but ovation gives Error 3 and >crashes. Thing is to find the catch... I assume if you create a new document, create a frame and drop the Draw file into that, it does not crash? So whats special about the case where it does crash? Is the frame set to picture runaround? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 01:26:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87811 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 01:26:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916097176:10:16485:15; Mon, 11 Jan 99 23:26:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111053; 11 Jan 99 23:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29228 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:19:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29197 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:17:54 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zzpev-0001lb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:18:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 99 21:59:46 GMT Message-Id: <87789@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I received a copy of Risc User over this weekend. On the back of the issue, >it was advertising version 2.52 of Ovation Pro. >Have I missed something? Yes. All this has been covered here previously, see the archives for December. In brief Beebug are selling upgrades to 2.52. However it is scarcely different to the 2.51 you can get off the web pages. No money you pay will be going to the further development of OPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 01:27:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87813 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 01:26:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916097451:10:20502:20; Mon, 11 Jan 99 23:30:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020563; 11 Jan 99 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29224 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:19:05 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29193 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:17:53 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zzpet-0001lb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:18:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 99 21:53:46 GMT Message-Id: <87787@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When will other systems get decent on-screen anti-aliased text? I know the latest >MacOS does have it and Microsoft I believe has an add-on at great cost, but not in >the kernel of the system. Werl. There's Adobe Type Manager which seems to be modestly priced. W 95, W98 and NT have something that claims to be antialiasing but results are nothing like RISC OS. >It really is a worry as realistically Acorn workstations seem to be dead; I am sure >that they could have planned the demise with greater skill but that's another story. Some might say they managed the events rather well, kept selling kit they knew they were not going to support etc. I think the odds are against there being a future, but its not all over yet. Once the Acorn situation is clear then we'll be much better able to say were OPro is going in the future. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 01:27:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87816 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 01:27:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916097782:10:25130:20; Mon, 11 Jan 99 23:36:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125480; 11 Jan 99 23:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29230 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:19:15 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29209 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:18:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zzpex-0001lb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:18:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 99 22:05:50 GMT Message-Id: <87793@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: White gaps etc. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Another thing we noticed: white gaps between photopicture and border (0,25 >> mm). The strange thing is: when you zoom in you don't see the gap. And on a >This was posted in July but I don't recall ever seeing any response. Its bad, I think when I looked at it, it was a result of using two different co-ordinate systems. However resolving it appears to be a substantial amount of work with no certainty of getting things right on every printer driver etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 01:30:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87823 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 01:30:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916103182:20:05482:22; Tue, 12 Jan 99 01:06:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122535; 12 Jan 99 1:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA30047 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:55:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA30042 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:55:27 GMT Received: from (argby92.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.95.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zzs7P-0007Ah-00; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:55:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:40:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Cleave Subject: Re: Importing Draw files To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <87785@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 11 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >I am using OvationPro and am having problems importing a draw file. > >I create a frame and drag file to it but ovation gives Error 3 and > >crashes. > > Thing is to find the catch... I assume if you create a new > document, create a frame and drop the Draw file into that, it does not > crash? That's the point it does crash doing just that! >So whats special about the case where it does crash? Is the >frame set to picture runaround? regards Phil -- philc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 14:00:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87852 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 14:00:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916138001:10:20048:37; Tue, 12 Jan 99 10:46:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020034; 12 Jan 99 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA30654 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:13:19 GMT Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA30649 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:13:07 GMT Received: from net7.paston.co.uk ([195.89.168.135] HELO thilm.paston.co.uk ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 1026]) by red.paston.c Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:14:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "T C & A H Pegg, THILMCRAFT" Subject: White gaps etc. To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro With reference to white gaps (Mike Williams - Akalat Publishing & Tekst & Uitleg) we have had this problem with high resolution printouts. Our stop-gap solution ;-) was to modify object and fill with black. This is not the most ideal solution, but at least it reduces the obvious white gap. Please, David, would you be able to provide a better solution from inside Ovation Pro? Like others, we add ourselves to the list of supporters. -- Hilary & Tim Pegg THILMCRAFT, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellington, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel. No: +44(0)1362 691690 Fax. No: +44(0)1362 699664 ISDN No: +44(0)1362 690108 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 18:14:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87891 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 18:14:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916163773:20:01383:19; Tue, 12 Jan 99 17:56:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117815; 12 Jan 99 17:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA31334 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:07:23 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA31329 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:07:05 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA29004 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:07:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199901121707.SAA29004@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 12 Jan 1999 09:46:53 GMT Subject: Re: Survival of OP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: > > > >>When will other systems get decent on-screen anti-aliased text? I know the latest >>MacOS does have it and Microsoft I believe has an add-on at great cost, but not in >>the kernel of the system. > >Werl. There's Adobe Type Manager which seems to be modestly priced. >W 95, W98 and NT have something that claims to be antialiasing but >results are nothing like RISC OS. The german computer magazine "c't" did exhaustive research on the "anti-aliasing" of Windoze (from looking at the output right up to dis-assembling code) and found that the fonts get painted the usual way and then a "blur" is applied. Thus You get a bad rendering with a myopic touch. Technically the amount of blackening applied to the page will be much too high when viewed on screen. "c't" rated Windoze's anti-aliasing a quick patch designed to give a look-alike without really going into it (the font rendering). Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 19:18:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87894 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 19:18:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916167664:10:27502:15; Tue, 12 Jan 99 19:01:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027203; 12 Jan 99 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA31460 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:25:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA31453 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:25:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.123.49] (helo=retreat.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 1008VL-0005bN-00; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:25:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:20:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: White gaps etc. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <36999219.7C8C@kbnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 11 Jan, Mike Williams wrote: > Tekst & Uitleg wrote: > > > > Another thing we noticed: white gaps between photopicture and border (0,25 > > mm). The strange thing is: when you zoom in you don't see the gap. And on a > > rough print you also don't see it. On film (high resolution) you do. Even > > when you increase the scaling of the picture (not the frame) the white gap > > remains. It's only on one side of the frame. Most of the time at the bottom, > > but we saw it also on the left in a few cases. What is going on there? > > > This was posted in July but I don't recall ever seeing any response. The > same problem occured in the latest issue of Acorn Publisher (Portfolio > pages for those who subscribe). Is there any way of avoiding this? > I had exactly this - when printed at 600 dpi diffused to a Brother HL660 and also via the Brothers Postscript card, Printers 1.53. What cured it for me was to *slightly* enlarge the picture, 45.21mm x 28.32mm in a 45mm x 28mm frame. Probably just put up the scaling by a percent or a couple of pixels I cannot recall now. Then at high enlargement I moved the picture by hand until the white line disappeared. Not elegant but it fixed it and was successful when colour laser printed. -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 22:25:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87909 for opro ; Tue, 12 Jan 99 22:25:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916173826:20:03331:15; Tue, 12 Jan 99 20:43:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003298; 12 Jan 99 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA31694 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:09:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA31689 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:09:14 GMT Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 100A87-0003EZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:09:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:34:49 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <87789@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David, [snip] > > Yes. All this has been covered here previously, see the archives for December. > > In brief Beebug are selling upgrades to 2.52. However it is scarcely > different to the 2.51 you can get off the web pages. > No money you pay will be going to the further development of OPro. I purchased OPro because Impression Publisher had been dumped by CC and needed another DTP which was in development. I do think that Beebug ought to have made their position clear, instead of taking the money in this way. Thank for the information David and thank you for OPro, since I certainly think it an excellent programme and your support and development to be exceptional. I have been rather snowed under by work and missed many of the posts, so apologies. If there is any scheme to continue with your work, then please count me in. What about an annual subscription? Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 01:51:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87934 for opro ; Wed, 13 Jan 99 01:51:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916187286:20:20905:15; Wed, 13 Jan 99 00:28:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020830; 13 Jan 99 0:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA31963 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:29:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA31947 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:29:08 GMT Received: from (193.149.86.245) [193.149.86.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 100DFY-000435-00; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:29:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Tim Rickard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Jan 99 22:03:16 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Books Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA31948 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB31963 On Wed 16 Sep 98 (19:46:50 +0100), david@english.co.uk wrote: >In message you wrote: > >> Has anyone any direct experience of book production using OvPro?=20 >Flyers, >> leaflets, pamphlets and posters are regularly covered, but I don=91t >think I=91ve >> ever read anything which relates to the production of large scale >work of say >> 220 pages with line and full colour illustrations. >> >> Apart from the use of OvPro at this level - and I=91m sorry of this is >not >> exactly appropriate to this group - I would be very interested to >have any >> recommendations about printer/binders who understand our software and >produce >> good work. Many thanks, Tim >> =98 > >It rather depends what you call a book, I suppose. Does it include >magazines? If so, the subject is regularly covered in Acorn Publisher. >Also, occasionally, 'real' books. > >We have been doing quite a few jobs of around 70,000 words, with >complex >layout and graphics. There are three routes that we use: > >(1) send OvPr files to a bureau (e.g. Tony Tolver at TJ-Repro) who runs > out film. You then use any printer you like - they don't care where > the film has come from. > >(2) create camera ready copy (on special grade paper) - but some >printers > now find that this so much a fiddle that it is not actually >cheaper. > >(3) send postscript files to a printer who can put the files through >their > own imposition software. Imposition software is specialist stuff >costing > several thousand pounds. But we have had some good results recently > with a printer using our postscript output and running it through > Preps. > >There is at least one other route which we havn't tried: sending raw >files >to a company which can take them though to final print electronically >(e.g. >on a docutech printer). I know some printers could handle Imposition, >but I don't know if that extends to OvPro nowadays. > >David > >--=3D20 >The English Company (UK) Ltd >http://www.english.co.uk > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > David, I know this goes back a long way, but I have been over-involved el= sewhere. This is just to acknowledge and thank you for the useful reply.= I think the best course of action is to involve myself with a bureau th= at knows what it is doing. I'll concentrate on the rest! Thanks again= , Tim --=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 01:51:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87935 for opro ; Wed, 13 Jan 99 01:51:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916187164:10:09024:16; Wed, 13 Jan 99 00:26:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115428; 13 Jan 99 0:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA31964 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:29:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA31951 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:29:11 GMT Received: from (193.149.86.245) [193.149.86.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 100DFc-000435-00; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:29:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Tim Rickard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Jan 99 22:06:51 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Books Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 17 Sep 98 (07:58:50 +0100), mhambley@arcade.demon.co.uk wrote: >Origin: echo >On the 16th of September, David Graddol wrote this on the subject of >Re: >Books: >DG> There is at least one other route which we havn't tried: sending >raw >DG> file= s to a company which can take them though to final print >DG> electronically (e.= g. on a docutech printer). I know some printers >could DG> handle Imposition, but= I don't know if that extends to OvPro >nowadays. > >I may be able to add something to this. When I was publicity officer >of the university sci-fi and fantasy society I produced a news letter. >This was an A4 folded to A5 stapled booklet of 12 pages. I had it >reproduced at a bureau who used a Canon Docutech photocopier. > >I don't know exactly where the problem lay, whether it was my own >inability to clearly and distinctly state what it was I wanted or >whether it was the bureau not having a clue as to what they where doing >but I had a lot of trouble extracting the information about how the >document should be layed out. First they told me they needed the pages >A5 size and properly paginated. Next time round they said that wasn't >right and they needed them A4. Next time round they said that wasn't >right and they'd had to optically reduce them to A5. Time after that >there was another problem but I'm not sure what it was. > >Basically you need to provide a postscript file containing your pages, >properly paginated. In the case of a 12 page booklet that means 12-1, >2-11, 10-3, 4-9, 8-5, 6-7. You must also remember to lighten all >images by about 10% otherwise the photocopying process produces images >which are too dark. > >Unfortunately I was just getting into the swing of things when my >tenure as publicity office ended and I haven't had a chance to do >anything similar since. Never mind I hope the above provides some >useful information to anyone looking to produce a booklet such as mine. > I imagine it would be a little impractical for a full blown book. > >(\/)atthew > >...Two wrongs don't make a right, but two Wrights flew a plane at >Kittyhawk > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > Matthew, I'm really sorry, this goes back a long way and I have not had the time and the basic courtesy to respond sooner. The booklet info is really useful and has been archived accordingly. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to write in the first place and forgive me for not replying sooner. Many thanks, Tim -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 01:51:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87937 for opro ; Wed, 13 Jan 99 01:51:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916187325:10:11755:15; Wed, 13 Jan 99 00:28:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011709; 13 Jan 99 0:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA31966 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:29:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA31957 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:29:18 GMT Received: from (193.149.86.245) [193.149.86.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 100DFk-000435-00; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:29:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Tim Rickard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Jan 99 22:12:14 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Books Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Sep 98 (11:10:58), landbank@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Dear Tim > We produce an 80 page colour book on Risc pc using Ovation Pro. >We use Micro Laser Designs in Bath for film and printing, you would >need to talk to mike or andrew and they should be able to assist you. > > >Regards Landbank Services. Robert Pennicott__ Robert, I'm sorry, this one goes back a long way and I have been very much preoccupied elsewhere. Forgive me for not responding sooner. Your lead is especially useful because I live and work not too far from Bath. Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to reply to my question. Tim. BTW, what is Landbank Services and where are you based? Just interested because I'm a TV producer making a documentary series on, broadly, Country Matters. You never know! -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 14:14:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87958 for opro ; Wed, 13 Jan 99 14:13:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916234359:10:06914:24; Wed, 13 Jan 99 13:32:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006939; 13 Jan 99 13:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA32686 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:05:17 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA32681 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:05:03 GMT Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user157.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.89]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17971 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:05:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:44:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c3b3370cmarteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10e for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAA32682 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB32686 On 12 Jan, Rosalind M. Share wrote: > Thank for the information David and thank you for OPro, since I > certainly think it an excellent programme and your support and > development to be exceptional. I have been rather snowed under by work > and missed many of the posts, so apologies. If there is any scheme to > continue with your work, then please count me in. What about an annual > subscription? Ditto Annual subscription account or whatever would suit=A0me - I very much wou= lkd like to support David in the development of OPro. Slainte --=20 Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 14:57:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87984 for opro ; Wed, 13 Jan 99 14:57:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916237773:10:03400:16; Wed, 13 Jan 99 14:29:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115768; 13 Jan 99 14:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA00094 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:20:52 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA00087 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:20:40 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.157) [193.149.83.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 100QEQ-0005Df-00; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:21:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:28:01 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Tolerance on paper sizes Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I wonder if anyone knows whether there is some internationally specified tolerance on 'standard' paper sizes. I've just been a little annoyed to find, having printed a further 30 pages of a long 'epistle' that paper from two different sources is over half a mm different in height. I'll remember to measure it in future: both said 210 x 297 mm on the box... -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 19:13:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88001 for opro ; Wed, 13 Jan 99 19:13:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916254633:20:15541:15; Wed, 13 Jan 99 19:10:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118526; 13 Jan 99 19:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00549 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:59:02 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00544 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:58:46 GMT Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user134.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.66]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25374 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:58:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:51:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c3dfd11dmarteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10e for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 13 Jan, Dr A G Gray wrote: > I wonder if anyone knows whether there is some internationally specified > tolerance on 'standard' paper sizes. > I've just been a little annoyed to find, having printed a further 30 > pages of a long 'epistle' that paper from two different sources is over > half a mm different in height. > I'll remember to measure it in future: both said 210 x 297 mm on the > box... I quote tolerance standards for A, B, RA and SRA series sizes (the first of these refers to A0 to A10 including A4. "Unless other tolerances are specified, a tolerance of +/- 1.5mm is permitted on dimensions less than or equal to 150mm; of +/- 2mm on dimensions greater than 150mm and less than or equal to 600mm, and +/- 3mm for dimensions greater than 600mm." >From Sizes. The Illustrated Encyclopedia - John Lord 1995 Pub: Harper Perennial Also: the water content of the paper can cause a significant variation in size without feeling any drier or damper to the touch. The calendering (china clay surface) and the fibre composition will all make a difference. Generally, I wouldn't think that a 0.5mm difference would turn many printers' hairs - it is less than 0.2% which ain't a lot really. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 20:58:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88008 for opro ; Wed, 13 Jan 99 20:58:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916256489:10:04479:16; Wed, 13 Jan 99 19:41:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106999; 13 Jan 99 19:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00618 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:43:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA00613 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:43:28 GMT Received: from (193.149.95.86) [193.149.95.86] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 100VGq-0003GE-00; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:44:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:39:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c3d92ab4dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 13 Jan, Dr A G Gray wrote: > I wonder if anyone knows whether there is some internationally > specified tolerance on 'standard' paper sizes. > I've just been a little annoyed to find, having printed a further > 30 pages of a long 'epistle' that paper from two different sources > is over half a mm different in height. > I'll remember to measure it in future: both said 210 x 297 mm on > the box... I know nothing about specified tolerances, I am afraid, but paper dimensions change significantly in response to humidity changes. No doubt your two paper sources now have the same water content, but this may not have been true when they were cut. Variation in the properties of the paper is probably one of the biggest variables that we have to cope with - a real pain if you are using an ink-jet printer. In the past I have found significant differences in the performance of two packs of paper, even when they came from the same box. This was probably the major driving force in my decision to get a laser printer a couple of years ago. I would welcome any pointers to information about what to look for when buying paper, although I suppose that when one buys on a small scale it is a matter of pot luck. As an experiment I recently bought four different 500-sheet packs of paper from Office World. Rather annoyingly, the quality of the paper, as judged by printing a few test pages, showed that the quality of the result was inversely proportional to the price. On the other hand, it's nice to know that it isn't necessary to buy anything other than the bottom of the range paper as far as my LaserJet 5L is concerned. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 22:36:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88023 for opro ; Wed, 13 Jan 99 22:36:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916266046:20:00307:18; Wed, 13 Jan 99 22:20:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000185; 13 Jan 99 22:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01117 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:25:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA01106 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:25:22 GMT Received: from (193.149.82.131) [193.149.82.131] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 100XnZ-00070L-00; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:25:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:24:07 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 13 Jan 99 (17:51:47 +0000), marteng@intonet.co.uk wrote: ....about A4 size tolerances: >+/- 2mm on dimesnions greater that 150mm .... >Generally, I wouldn't think that a 0.5mm difference would turn many >printers' hairs - it is less than 0.2% which ain't a lot really. I'm very surprised to hear there are such wide tolerances... The 0.5mm difference certainly makes the 1" bound stack look very untidy :-( -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 22:36:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88025 for opro ; Wed, 13 Jan 99 22:36:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916266211:10:12557:16; Wed, 13 Jan 99 22:23:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104765; 13 Jan 99 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01118 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:25:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA01110 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:25:25 GMT Received: from (193.149.82.131) [193.149.82.131] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 100Xnb-00070L-00; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:26:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:25:45 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 13 Jan 99 (16:39:06 +0000), dgporter@argonet.co.uk wrote: [among comments on paper size tolerance] >the quality of the paper, as judged by printing a few test pages, showed that >the quality of the result was inversely proportional to the price. I cannot but agree. It seems entirely arbitrary... -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 03:12:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88052 for opro ; Thu, 14 Jan 99 03:12:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916276888:20:18263:17; Thu, 14 Jan 99 01:21:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108353; 14 Jan 99 1:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA02093 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:28:53 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA02088 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:28:33 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.98] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 100adR-0002WC-00; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:27:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:19:39 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48c3d92ab4dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48c3d92ab4dgporter@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > On 13 Jan, Dr A G Gray wrote: > > I wonder if anyone knows whether there is some internationally > > specified tolerance on 'standard' paper sizes. > > > I've just been a little annoyed to find, having printed a further > > 30 pages of a long 'epistle' that paper from two different sources > > is over half a mm different in height. > > > I'll remember to measure it in future: both said 210 x 297 mm on > > the box... > > I know nothing about specified tolerances, I am afraid, but paper > dimensions change significantly in response to humidity changes. No > doubt your two paper sources now have the same water content, but > this may not have been true when they were cut. > > Variation in the properties of the paper is probably one of the > biggest variables that we have to cope with - a real pain if you are > using an ink-jet printer. In the past I have found significant > differences in the performance of two packs of paper, even when they > came from the same box. This was probably the major driving force in > my decision to get a laser printer a couple of years ago. > > I would welcome any pointers to information about what to look for > when buying paper, although I suppose that when one buys on a small > scale it is a matter of pot luck. How does a laser printer help, as a matter of interest? I've come to the conclusion that paper is a much neglected but extremely important factor in the quality of the finished print. Some papers behave very badly when duplexed, for example. Others (perhaps because of the humidity) come out rather curled. (The laser heats the paper and subjects it to a rapid drying out). But I have found *some* kind of correlation between performance and cost. At least the stuff we end up using seems to cost a fortune! David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 14:08:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88056 for opro ; Thu, 14 Jan 99 14:08:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916287424:20:08444:15; Thu, 14 Jan 99 04:17:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008338; 14 Jan 99 4:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA02326 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 03:15:24 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02321 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 03:15:09 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 100dG6-0006kB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 03:15:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 99 01:38:33 GMT Message-Id: <88050@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The 0.5mm difference certainly makes the 1" bound stack look very untidy :-( Buy yourself a guillotine... Printers usually chop a thin strip off, probably to get around things like this. For smallish - say 30 pages jobs one of those cheap ones where you pull a vertical blade horizontally will make things look neat. I know someone whose boss insists his photocopies are trimmed this way. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 14:09:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88063 for opro ; Thu, 14 Jan 99 14:09:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916307853:20:24054:41; Thu, 14 Jan 99 09:57:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127146; 14 Jan 99 9:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA02539 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:44:02 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02534 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:43:45 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-6.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.137] with SMTP for id JAA18694 (8.8.8/1.10); Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:44:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:39:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <88050@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAB02539 In on Thu 14 Jan, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > >The 0.5mm difference certainly makes the 1" bound stack look very unti= dy :-( >=20 > Buy yourself a guillotine... >=20 > Printers usually chop a thin strip off, probably to get around things l= ike > this. >=20 > For smallish - say 30 pages jobs one of those cheap ones where you pull > a vertical blade horizontally will make things look neat. >=20 > I know someone whose boss insists his photocopies are trimmed this way. The original message gave a 1 mm difference which is certainly too much on that size. Good paper distributors stock and cut their paper under the same climate control as good printers will do with their paper and printed matter. Humidity at 55% is the main condition. Cutting of paper before starting a printjob is done for two reasons; the size and an absolute 90 degree edge to assure registration in printing. But I've to say that for example with 100 =D7 70 cm paper the size difference isn't above 1 mm normally. To assure the same quality of paper; buy larger quantities at once and check the batch number on the packages. If you can't do that and buy smaller packages with some time in between don't be surprised that one package has the good side upwards and the other downwards when opened. If you can't see or feel the difference, print both sides once and take the side you prefer. Coated sides of papers for inkjet are quite easy to check. Don't buy stock from local shops or supermarkets with their own brand as they will buy where the price is low and change continually. Canson a French firm that is part of the Arjo- Wiggens company (name may be changed again) has a wide range of papers for inkjets and electro-static printers. On roll and cut sizes. There's a Canson office in London. Bought in a reasonable quantity it is cheaper than in a shop. Ernst --=20 Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 20:51:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88114 for opro ; Thu, 14 Jan 99 20:51:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916346549:10:28109:15; Thu, 14 Jan 99 20:42:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028064; 14 Jan 99 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03098 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:32:06 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA03093 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:31:50 GMT Received: (qmail 392 invoked from network); 14 Jan 1999 19:32:37 -0000 Received: from 66-159.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.159) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 1999 19:32:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:36:33 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: White gaps etc. Message-ID: <1e8eec348%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <87793@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > It's bad, I think when I looked at it, it was a result of using two different > co-ordinate systems. However resolving it appears to be a substantial amount > of work with no certainty of getting things right on every printer driver etc.> > > David Pilling ....although I don't know the programming details about what causes this error, I'm going to have a guess at a possible make-do-fix: A new tool could be devised that snaps the nearest picture's pixels to the frame's origin so that there is no pixel in the picture that overlaps the frame edge on the axis side. Now, either this will have no effect whatsoever because this is not relevent the the problem whose details I don't know... or it's a quick and happy fix. David? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Text Pager: (+44) 0336 721439 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 20:51:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88115 for opro ; Thu, 14 Jan 99 20:51:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916346786:10:01735:17; Thu, 14 Jan 99 20:46:26 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112920; 14 Jan 99 20:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03136 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:49:59 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03130 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:49:46 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-25.access.ch [195.112.93.153]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id UAA01541 ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:50:25 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:42:02 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 To: OVATIONP-L cc: "Mr Sh. Williams" , ECD Computers In-Reply-To: <87789@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 11 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > In brief Beebug are selling upgrades to 2.52. However it is scarcely > different to the 2.51 you can get off the web pages. > No money you pay will be going to the further development of OPro. David, What does this mean? Is it that Beebug are not paying you anymore for further development of OPro? Does that also mean that you cannot for all kind of legal reasons further develop OPro? Including bug updates. Or is all this still dependent on the "talk" you mentioned in earlier mails you planned to have with Beebug? Meaning as well that even if we, who are willing to support a financial backup scheme, cannot do so because of legal incompatibilities with Beebug? Of course I do understand the problems with which Sheridan Williams is faced. Beebug was one of the first most ardent Acorn promoters and it must be hard to see that one has possibly come to the end of the road. But that is no reason to give up. Especially as I do hope that he realises how strong the feelings in the Acorn world are that superior software just not fizzles out. I believe that at present the most important thing for everyone is to team up. In the Acorn software programmer's world too many tried to do the same thing. If the programmers of Squirrel, DataPower and Impact would have joined their programming-skill-forces, they would have come up much sooner with far superior programs. Not one, but 2 or 3, depending on demand, available for sale, and with the possible option of a specialised program for a price, for the individual demander. Possible, if the programmer is a team, each specialist in this team willing to work together. Yes David, there are exceptions, as one-man-teams seem to exist. But then OPro is an exception. On the other hand you did not create all the applets, essential for the present OPro as well. Although generally you do know to come up with the correct corrections! Regards, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 23:10:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88127 for opro ; Thu, 14 Jan 99 23:10:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916354082:20:22893:16; Thu, 14 Jan 99 22:48:02 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118930; 14 Jan 99 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA03467 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:53:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA03457 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:53:23 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.230) [193.149.83.230] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 100uiR-00053V-00; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:54:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:37:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c46d52b0dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes In-Reply-To: <88050@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 14 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > For smallish - say 30 pages jobs one of those cheap ones where you > pull a vertical blade horizontally will make things look neat. > I know someone whose boss insists his photocopies are trimmed this > way. I wonder what his sock drawer looks like ;-) -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 23:10:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88129 for opro ; Thu, 14 Jan 99 23:10:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916354089:20:22877:49; Thu, 14 Jan 99 22:48:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022901; 14 Jan 99 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA03466 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:53:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA03452 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:53:20 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.230) [193.149.83.230] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 100uiM-00053V-00; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:54:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:33:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c46cfc50dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 14 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > How does a laser printer help, as a matter of interest? It isn't as susceptible as an inkjet printer to the quality of the paper. Before I retired I used to maintain stocks of paper for my inkjet printer by going round the photocopying machines in the establishment where I worked and taking a page or two back to my printer where I ran a test print. If the results were good I would go back immediately and help myself to as much as possible of that particular batch of paper. Sometimes I was able to get a boxful. I also had a laser printer on a second computer system. This seemed to be indifferent to the quality of the paper that I fed to it. If you look at a sheet of paper that has been through an inkjet printer under a low-power microscope, or even with a reasonably powerful hand lens, you soon see why the print can be fuzzy. Some paper looks much like blotting paper when magnified, and the ink travels down the "hairy bits" and gives a fuzzy outline to the characters. Better quality paper, particularly that made for use with inkjets, is calendared, and the "right" and "wrong" sides can easily be distinguished, by feel alone. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 23:11:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88131 for opro ; Thu, 14 Jan 99 23:11:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916352837:10:08678:17; Thu, 14 Jan 99 22:27:17 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008615; 14 Jan 99 22:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA03351 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:33:14 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03344 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:32:48 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 100uOW-00000s-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:33:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 99 21:09:04 GMT Message-Id: <88118@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: White gaps etc. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A new tool could be devised that snaps the nearest picture's pixels to the >frame's origin so that there is no pixel in the picture that overlaps the >frame edge on the axis side. Yep, but at the end of the day, down at some very low level, there has to be code that does the job and does it right. The code is there now but not working correctly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 23:11:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88132 for opro ; Thu, 14 Jan 99 23:11:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916352883:10:09306:16; Thu, 14 Jan 99 22:28:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126896; 14 Jan 99 22:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA03353 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:33:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03340 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:32:46 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 100uOT-00000s-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:33:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 99 20:56:08 GMT Message-Id: <88116@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> In brief Beebug are selling upgrades to 2.52. However it is scarcely >> different to the 2.51 you can get off the web pages. >> No money you pay will be going to the further development of OPro. >What does this mean? It is an attempt to head off the "I paid for an upgrade and you've not added loads of new features" argument from anyone. >Does that also mean that you cannot for all kind of legal reasons further >develop OPro? I can do whatever I want to do. >Meaning as well that even if we, who are willing to support a financial >backup scheme, cannot do so because of legal incompatibilities with Beebug? The arrangement with Beebug is still in place. A 'rescue' bid is jumping the gun. >...it must be hard to see that one has possibly come to the end of the >road. But that is no reason to give up. No, actually, coming to the end of the road is an excellent reason to give up, unless you're a lemming and want to jump off the cliff. >In the Acorn software programmer's world too many tried to do the same >thing. If the programmers of Squirrel, DataPower and Impact would have >joined their programming-skill-forces, they would have come up much sooner >with far superior programs. A camel is a horse desgined by a commitee... This is an often repeated plea. Really though you might just as well ask 2 of the three to pack it in and go away, unless you're playing the "if we had better programs we'd sell loads more computers" card, because you don't have a big enough market to support all these programmers. >Yes David, there are exceptions, as one-man-teams seem to exist. But then >OPro is an exception. On the other hand you did not create all the applets, >essential for the present OPro as well. Bear in mind that for the 5 years it took me to write OPro I had to run a business at the same time. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 02:08:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88155 for opro ; Fri, 15 Jan 99 02:08:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916357876:10:28384:16; Thu, 14 Jan 99 23:51:16 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028327; 14 Jan 99 23:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03717 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:57:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03712 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:57:09 GMT Received: from [158.152.202.190] (helo=awoods.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 100viA-0004D7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:57:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:16:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Allan Woods Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <48be29f3d5jack@snave.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 02 Jan, Jack Evans wrote: > In view of David's recent realistic appraisal of the future outlook for > OPro if things are allowed to drift, I would like to stand up and be > counted as one of many supporters who I am sure would be willing to dip > their hands in their pockets and contribute to its continuing > development. > > Thank you David for all you've done so far for us and the magnificent way > you are continuing to do it within the present framework. > Just another support for David! -- Allan Woods, Greenock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 13:42:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88159 for opro ; Fri, 15 Jan 99 13:42:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916407124:20:07584:19; Fri, 15 Jan 99 13:32:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117665; 15 Jan 99 13:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA05065 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:19:13 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05060 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:18:57 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.243] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 1018Cm-0007Wp-00; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:18:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:13:02 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48c46cfc50dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48c46cfc50dgporter@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > On 14 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > > > How does a laser printer help, as a matter of interest? > > It isn't as susceptible as an inkjet printer to the quality of the > paper. Before I retired I used to maintain stocks of paper for my > inkjet printer by going round the photocopying machines in the > establishment where I worked and taking a page or two back to my > printer where I ran a test print. If the results were good I would > go back immediately and help myself to as much as possible of that > particular batch of paper. Sometimes I was able to get a boxful. > > I also had a laser printer on a second computer system. This seemed > to be indifferent to the quality of the paper that I fed to it. > > If you look at a sheet of paper that has been through an inkjet > printer under a low-power microscope, or even with a reasonably > powerful hand lens, you soon see why the print can be fuzzy. Some > paper looks much like blotting paper when magnified, and the ink > travels down the "hairy bits" and gives a fuzzy outline to the > characters. Better quality paper, particularly that made for use > with inkjets, is calendared, and the "right" and "wrong" sides can > easily be distinguished, by feel alone. > Thanks for the explanation, and I see what you mean. Although the same problem exists to some extent with laser printers (if you are trying to produce camera ready copy, you do need to use the right grade paper). Of course, papers having 'right' sides and 'wrong' sides is a pain if you need to print on both sides :) David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 13:43:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88162 for opro ; Fri, 15 Jan 99 13:43:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916403972:10:28454:18; Fri, 15 Jan 99 12:39:32 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104948; 15 Jan 99 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04972 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:32:40 GMT Received: from mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04967 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:32:25 GMT Received: from mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.39.91]) by mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 1017VA-0002cY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:33:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:33:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Clark Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <88116@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cambridge University, Department of Pathology. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 14 Jan, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > >In the Acorn software programmer's world too many tried to do the same > >thing. If the programmers of Squirrel, DataPower and Impact would have > >joined their programming-skill-forces, they would have come up much sooner > >with far superior programs. > > A camel is a horse desgined by a commitee... > > This is an often repeated plea. Really though you might just as well > ask 2 of the three to pack it in and go away, unless you're playing > the "if we had better programs we'd sell loads more computers" card, > because you don't have a big enough market to support all these programmers. On a literal note David and and as a biologist I would argue that the general forces which brought a camel into being are the same as a horse. They are separate species which have evolved and survived through natural selection in their respective environments. They each have features which give them advantages and also disadvantages under different circumstances. At present both species are alive and well on this planet so they could both be regarded as successful. However if one were to go extinct before the other it would be possible to argue it was less successful. The same arguments could possibly be applied to software. Mike Clark, -- o/ \\ // || ,_ o M.R. Clark, PhD. Division of Immunology <\__,\\ // __o || / /\, Cambridge University, Dept. Pathology "> || _`\<,_ // \\ \> | Tennis Court Rd., Cambridge CB2 1QP ` || (_)/ (_) // \\ \_ Tel.+44 1223 333705 Fax.+44 1223 333875 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 14:52:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88174 for opro ; Fri, 15 Jan 99 14:52:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916408621:10:13344:15; Fri, 15 Jan 99 13:57:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121184; 15 Jan 99 13:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA05114 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:39:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA05108 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:39:06 GMT Received: from (193.149.95.39) [193.149.95.39] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1018Xh-0007A6-00; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:40:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: Ovation Mail Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:28:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c4c9ec17charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10e for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Survival of OP In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Allan Woods wrote: > Just another support for David! Ditto.. Without a developing DTP facility, Graphics, both Bitmap and Vector, Spreadsheet and Interpolation, plus Audio Suite packages - RiscOS 4 is going nowhere - even if Acorn do the right thing and let others be licensed to distribute and develop it. Having also recently invested in CAD software of which at the moment I am already notified will probably not work with RiscOS 4. I hope that this too will be modified on an ongoing basis by its own developer. Thankfully an expression of that intent has been given subject to a proper evaluation of the work required once access is given to the property. Thanks for all your work on OvPro to date David. I look forward to being able to use this for many years yet. -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 16:46:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88182 for opro ; Fri, 15 Jan 99 16:46:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916413441:10:01380:15; Fri, 15 Jan 99 15:17:21 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125267; 15 Jan 99 15:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA05333 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:03:22 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05328 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:02:57 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.149] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 1019pR-0003qJ-00; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:02:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:53:44 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Thu 14 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > > >In the Acorn software programmer's world too many tried to do the same > > >thing. If the programmers of Squirrel, DataPower and Impact would have > > >joined their programming-skill-forces, they would have come up much sooner > > >with far superior programs. > > > > A camel is a horse desgined by a commitee... > > > > This is an often repeated plea. Really though you might just as well > > ask 2 of the three to pack it in and go away, unless you're playing > > the "if we had better programs we'd sell loads more computers" card, > > because you don't have a big enough market to support all these programmers. > > On a literal note David and and as a biologist I would argue that the > general forces which brought a camel into being are the same as a horse. > They are separate species which have evolved and survived through natural > selection in their respective environments. They each have features which > give them advantages and also disadvantages under different circumstances. > At present both species are alive and well on this planet so they could > both be regarded as successful. However if one were to go extinct before > the other it would be possible to argue it was less successful. The same > arguments could possibly be applied to software. Or possibly not. I thought that complex systems theory was now being applied to evolution: which explains why a species which has acquired dominance does not necessarily get pushed out by another which is in all other respects more 'fitted'. The same theory when applied to the business environment helps explain why Microsoft has persisted for so long. However, the same theory suggests that Microsoft could disappear surprisingly fast. We just a need a butterfly to flutter its wings in precisely the right place... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 19:05:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88209 for opro ; Fri, 15 Jan 99 19:05:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916424480:10:24438:16; Fri, 15 Jan 99 18:21:20 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105255; 15 Jan 99 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA05702 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:15:42 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05697 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:15:26 GMT Received: from [158.152.73.37] (helo=spcap.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 101CrA-0005pb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:16:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:05:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Camels & stuff - was Re: OPro Version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 15 Jan, Mike Clark wrote: > On Thu 14 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > > >In the Acorn software programmer's world too many tried to do the same > > >thing. If the programmers of Squirrel, DataPower and Impact would have > > >joined their programming-skill-forces, they would have come up much sooner > > >with far superior programs. > > > > A camel is a horse desgined by a commitee... > > > > This is an often repeated plea. Really though you might just as well > > ask 2 of the three to pack it in and go away, unless you're playing > > the "if we had better programs we'd sell loads more computers" card, > > because you don't have a big enough market to support all these programmers. > > On a literal note David and and as a biologist I would argue that the > general forces which brought a camel into being are the same as a horse. > They are separate species which have evolved and survived through natural > selection in their respective environments. They each have features which > give them advantages and also disadvantages under different circumstances. > At present both species are alive and well on this planet so they could > both be regarded as successful. However if one were to go extinct before > the other it would be possible to argue it was less successful. The same > arguments could possibly be applied to software. Nothing really to do with OvPro, but here's my two penn'orth. I think the camel/horse/committee comparison really emerged because of aesthetic reasons. Horses are (generally) beautiful creatures, whereas camels... Put a horse and a camel together in a desert environment for a while though, and see what happens. I would expect a camel to survive a grassy plain rather well, too. -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 20:29:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88210 for opro ; Fri, 15 Jan 99 20:29:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916432107:20:28760:29; Fri, 15 Jan 99 20:28:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028610; 15 Jan 99 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05876 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:08:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05868 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:07:44 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 101Ebq-0003ir-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:08:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 99 17:54:28 GMT Message-Id: <88204@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >RiscOS 4 is going nowhere - even if Acorn do the right thing and let others >be licensed to distribute and develop it. As far as anyone can know such a thing, OPro 2.51 is compatible with RISC OS 4. Although if anyone took advantage of the opportunity to download ROS4 over Xmas, I'd be interested to hear if the copy protection worked. So, all this chat about support, you're not doing too badly. I wonder if Acorn users have pushed Boland and co hard enough over recent months. They seem to be able to sit back and consider what they want to do, rather than fulfill their obligations. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 20:52:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88217 for opro ; Fri, 15 Jan 99 20:51:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916432675:10:23469:15; Fri, 15 Jan 99 20:37:55 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023333; 15 Jan 99 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05874 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:08:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05864 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:07:41 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 101Ebn-0003ir-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:08:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 99 17:43:14 GMT Message-Id: <88202@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would argue that the general forces which brought a camel into being are >the same as a horse. Effectively both the modern horse and camel are man made, designed, 'products' so not much surprise they exhibit the same evolution as cars, tins of beans and software packages. >However if one were to go extinct before the other it would be possible to >argue it was less successful. Well how about 'visicalc' the original spread sheet, extinct now, but at the time a revolutionary piece of software. >the same theory suggests that Microsoft could disappear surprisingly fast. One thing about software is that it changes the world to suit it. We all use Qwerty keyboards, because thats what we've all learned to use. Yes other keyboard layouts are better, but they don't succeed because no one can be bothered to learn them now. Microsoft products and its way of thinking are now embedded in most peoples minds. Yes RISC OS is more elegant but they can't face learning a new system. Things like the imperial units system have had to be stamped out by force of law. Anyway if you want an evolutionary argument, competition drives evolution of software, in an ideal world one would want more than one database. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 22:48:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88223 for opro ; Fri, 15 Jan 99 22:48:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916437997:10:10848:15; Fri, 15 Jan 99 22:06:37 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010650; 15 Jan 99 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA06172 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:05:24 GMT Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (ns0.bb.u.net.uk [195.102.240.252] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA06166 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:05:05 GMT Received: from parkroad.u-net.com [195.102.198.5] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 101GQx-0000KO-00; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:05:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:23:29 +0000 (GMT) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 15 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Thu 14 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > [snip] > > > >In the Acorn software programmer's world too many tried to do the same > > > >thing. If the programmers of Squirrel, DataPower and Impact would have > > > >joined their programming-skill-forces, they would have come up much sooner > > > >with far superior programs. > > > > > > A camel is a horse desgined by a commitee... > > > > > > This is an often repeated plea. Really though you might just as well > > > ask 2 of the three to pack it in and go away, unless you're playing > > > the "if we had better programs we'd sell loads more computers" card, > > > because you don't have a big enough market to support all these programmers. > > > > On a literal note David and and as a biologist I would argue that the > > general forces which brought a camel into being are the same as a horse. > > They are separate species which have evolved and survived through natural > > selection in their respective environments. They each have features which > > give them advantages and also disadvantages under different circumstances. > > At present both species are alive and well on this planet so they could > > both be regarded as successful. However if one were to go extinct before > > the other it would be possible to argue it was less successful. The same > > arguments could possibly be applied to software. > > Or possibly not. I thought that complex systems theory was now being > applied to evolution: which explains why a species which has acquired > dominance does not necessarily get pushed out by another which > is in all other respects more 'fitted'. The same theory when applied > to the business environment helps explain why Microsoft has persisted > for so long. However, the same theory suggests that Microsoft could > disappear surprisingly fast. We just a need a butterfly to flutter its > wings in precisely the right place... > Or all the landowners suddenly have a thunderburst of concience and clear/open-up up the public footpath system as they are required by law to do. Sorry, just trying to be helpful. -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 16 14:29:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88237 for opro ; Sat, 16 Jan 99 14:28:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916473627:10:10341:16; Sat, 16 Jan 99 08:00:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010335; 16 Jan 99 8:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA07148 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 05:12:13 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA07143 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 05:11:55 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-23.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.83]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA17916 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:20:32 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:06:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <88202@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 15 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > Things like the imperial units system have had to be stamped out by > force of law. .... despite Buckminster Fuller's eloquent and impassioned argument for the vast mathematical superiority of duodecimals ;-) For such a useless and irrelevent thread this has been surprisingly entertaining. Must be the holiday atmosphere out here, or OS interregnum, maybe. tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 16 15:49:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88245 for opro ; Sat, 16 Jan 99 15:49:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916497404:10:19995:15; Sat, 16 Jan 99 14:36:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108299; 16 Jan 99 14:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07933 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:21:20 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07928 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:21:03 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 101Wc6-00002m-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:22:11 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:22:41 GMT Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:04:03 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Quotation Applet Message-ID: <8ffc50c548%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Call me lazy, but would someone like to write an applet which will allow, at the press of a button, quotation marks to appear around the selected text. For some strange reason I behave as if I can already do this. I select the text then go to press the quote mark key, but then realise it's not possible; so it's something I would use. I haven't a clue if it is possible, but it would be an appreciated little convenience to me if it were. Alan -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 16 15:49:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88248 for opro ; Sat, 16 Jan 99 15:49:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916483983:10:22814:15; Sat, 16 Jan 99 10:53:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102915; 16 Jan 99 10:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA07423 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:43:07 GMT Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (ns0.bb.u.net.uk [195.102.240.252] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA07418 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:42:52 GMT Received: from parkroad.u-net.com [195.102.198.227] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 101TCV-0006Pw-00; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:43:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:44:13 +0000 (GMT) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <88204@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 15 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >RiscOS 4 is going nowhere - even if Acorn do the right thing and let others > >be licensed to distribute and develop it. > > > As far as anyone can know such a thing, OPro 2.51 is compatible with RISC OS 4. > > Although if anyone took advantage of the opportunity to download ROS4 over > Xmas, I'd be interested to hear if the copy protection worked. > > So, all this chat about support, you're not doing too badly. > > I wonder if Acorn users have pushed Boland and co hard enough over recent > months. They seem to be able to sit back and consider what they want to do, > rather than fulfill their obligations. > Rather naughty expecting the arch complainers to address the big cheeses. One wonders sometimes if they find too much trouble to write a proper complaint to the fountain head and instead bang out a big moan on here. It's simple enough, cheap enough and I suspect would do more good if besides posting here they sent a copy to the big cheese at Acorn, Oh! sorry E14. -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 16 15:49:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88249 for opro ; Sat, 16 Jan 99 15:49:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916484339:10:27493:15; Sat, 16 Jan 99 10:58:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109865; 16 Jan 99 10:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA07471 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:49:29 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07466 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:49:13 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.61]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA26398 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:42:29 +0000 Message-ID: <36A0E045.5860@net.ntl.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:53:57 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP References: <88204@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > Although if anyone took advantage of the opportunity to download ROS4 over > Xmas, I'd be interested to hear if the copy protection worked. > >From where, and has anyone a copy they could send on? And where does this tie in with its supposed release this/next month? Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 16 15:49:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88253 for opro ; Sat, 16 Jan 99 15:49:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916498433:10:05357:18; Sat, 16 Jan 99 14:53:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100473; 16 Jan 99 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08013 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:43:36 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (root@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08007 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:43:16 GMT Received: from mbax8ss2 (pm1-41.mcc.ac.uk [194.66.22.41]) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11473 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:49:56 GMT Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:49:53 +0000 From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <88204@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Computer Writer, Techie and CS Student X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: [snip] > Although if anyone took advantage of the opportunity to download ROS4 over > Xmas, I'd be interested to hear if the copy protection worked. Huh? Regards Sam -- Sam Smith Admin, Friends Spoiler List <> Columnist, Archive Magazine mailto:sams@techie.com : http://www.man.compsoc.org.uk/~sams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:22:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88282 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:22:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916514555:20:23137:15; Sat, 16 Jan 99 19:22:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022924; 16 Jan 99 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA08622 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:06:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA08617 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:06:01 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.134) [193.149.74.134] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 101b3w-0002Uh-00; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:07:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 16 Jan 99 (19:06:07 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Survival of OP Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 16 Jan 99 (15:53:44), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>Rather naughty expecting the arch complainers to address the big >cheeses. > >As far as I know, we've not even done the most weedy unimaginative >thing i.e. put together a petition. > >For anyone who wants to make their displeasure at the current situation >known, the address is sboland@acorn.com > I've held off suggesting a petition on usenet as I did not want to run any risk of alienating Acorn while realistic negotiations were going on. Interestingly I also (yesterday) e-mailed a member of the Steering Group to ask if a petition would help or hinder their efforts - if I get a response I can publicise I'll do so. After the original steering group negotiations broke down I did e-mail Stan Boland expressing strong condemnation (as a shareholder and customer) of their breaking off the discussions and had a reply in which he expressed willingness to negotiate with anyone credible but I had the impression that he was not comfortable talking to Peter Bondar. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:23:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88288 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:23:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916540394:20:10496:16; Sun, 17 Jan 99 02:33:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010470; 17 Jan 99 2:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA09159 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:14:51 GMT Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (kochanski.wn.planet.gen.nz [203.98.47.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09154 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:14:32 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27436 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:15:41 +1300 (NZDT) >Received: by bridge.wn.planet.gen.nz (ReadNews 0.34); Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:14:20 +1300 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:14:19 +1300 From:(Julian Wright) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Repelling Text Frames Message-ID: References: Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Lines: 17 Received: from bridge by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:15 NZD Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Allan Woods writes: > Maybe I'm missin something but How can I make text frames NOT repel test > in an underlying frame. I could do this in Imoression and used it for > test effects! This has probably been answered a dozen times already, but just in case... Select your frame, then open the Text Flow dialogue (Shift-Ctrl-T, or from the menu Object->Text Flow). Choose "None" as opposed to the default of "Frame", then click on Ok. HTH. Julian. -- RAM disk is *not* an installation procedure. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:23:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88291 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:23:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916595471:20:29611:15; Sun, 17 Jan 99 17:51:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102873; 17 Jan 99 17:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA09776 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:33:04 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09771 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:32:47 GMT Received: from [158.152.233.63] (helo=wcartsco.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 101w5P-00071E-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:34:07 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:10:52 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:00:20 +0000 From: "newsreader@wcaco" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes Message-ID: <68c8e2c448%news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > How does a laser printer help, as a matter of interest? > I've come to the conclusion that paper is a much neglected but > extremely important factor in the quality of the finished print. > Some papers behave very badly when duplexed, for example. Others > (perhaps because of the humidity) come out rather curled. (The laser > heats the paper and subjects it to a rapid drying out). But I have > found *some* kind of correlation between performance and cost. At least > the stuff we end up using seems to cost a fortune! The paper has a natural curl because of the way its made. if you print the wrong side first the laser printer mechanism and the heat will encourage it to curl more. If you print the correct side first the laser printer will "prime" it so that when you print the other side it remains quite flat. How do you know which side to print first? The paper wrapper will have a sticker on one end (the end you open) with a large arrow (a bit like the "this way up " arrow), thats the side you must print first. This is usually also the smoothest side and the side the paper manufacturer meant you to use for one side jobs... This is reason number two for keeping the unused paper in its wrapper. Reason number one is that its keeps it in the dark and the humidity more constant. Paper will change its size and shape depending on its storage conditions. A good litho printer will buy in his paper a few days before using it so it will "season" to his workshop. only then will he cut the edges off to make it the size he wants before printing, and then when the job is finished and bound he cuts it again to make it the correct final size, cut off any bleed and make all the edges the same. Think about all this the next time you try to screw a better price out of your printer :-) Kevin -- The Western Commercial Arts Co. graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing grafix@wcartsco.demon.co.uk . . . . . . . . . . http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk Tel: 01344 453075 . . . . . Fax: 08701 60 04 84 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:23:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88295 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:23:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916603469:20:01085:20; Sun, 17 Jan 99 20:04:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000821; 17 Jan 99 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA09967 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:49:08 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09962 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:48:52 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 101yDB-0003WP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:50:17 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:50:50 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:50:43 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Repelling Text Frames Message-ID: <94dfac548%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Maybe I'm missin something but How can I make text frames NOT repel test > in an underlying frame. I could do this in Imoression and used it for > test effects! Hit the text flow button. Choose, Runaround = none. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:23:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88296 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:23:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916604344:20:14231:15; Sun, 17 Jan 99 20:19:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014187; 17 Jan 99 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA10001 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:55:48 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA09995 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:55:36 GMT Received: (qmail 10564 invoked from network); 17 Jan 1999 19:56:59 -0000 Received: from 66-098.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.98) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 1999 19:56:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:36:25 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Quotation Applet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8ffc50c548%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <8ffc50c548%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Alan Muscat wrote: > Call me lazy, but would someone like to write an applet which will > allow, at the press of a button, quotation marks to appear around > the selected text. You can do this without an Applet by using a macro button. The following is a very simplistic version -- but don't use it with anything else but text selected... {cutselection(); type("\""); pasteselection(); type("\"")} It cuts the selected text to the clipboard, types a quote, pastes back the text and types another quote. It's not very elegent, I'm sure someone can improve it so that it doesn;t use the clipboard but I couldn't find the appropriate macro commands to do it. I guess I'm as lazy as you -- I couln't even be bothered to make the action conditional upon TEXT being selected, rather than, say, a frame. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:23:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88298 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:23:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916610006:20:08792:29; Sun, 17 Jan 99 21:53:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008661; 17 Jan 99 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA10270 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:32:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA10265 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:32:11 GMT Received: from (193.149.93.176) [193.149.93.176] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 101zp9-0007Gl-00; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:33:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dave Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:33:40 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 15 Jan 1999 (17:43:14), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > One thing about software is that it changes the world to suit it. We > all use Qwerty keyboards, because thats what we've all learned to use. Yes > other keyboard layouts are better, but they don't succeed because no > one can be bothered to learn them now. Very true at present, but there will be other input methods taking over from the keyboard itself in a few years time. Voice recognition is only in the early stages as yet, but already it has speeded up or in other ways improved access to IT for many, particularly those with a disability. Some action on the RISC OS platform in that area would be useful. > Microsoft products and its way of thinking are now embedded in most > peoples minds. Yes RISC OS is more elegant but they can't face learning > a new system. Folk may think that to be a problem, but as I came to RISC OS after long term use of pc format, I can state that the change was easy and helped my productivity. In fact the change was less of a problem than it had often been to change from one software package to another within the pc arena. > Things like the imperial units system have had to be stamped out by > force of law. Although I have used the metric system fluently in many ways since studying the sciences in my teens, I have to say for many domestic purposes I prefer Imperial. Imperial scales still persist in common useage, not only because they are 'familiar', but because it is often easier to wrap your mind around a measurement in reasonable size numbers (eg 20 inches as opposed to 508 mm). RISC OS is likely to survive in one form or another for quite some years to come, despite the efforts of vested interests who wish to stamp it out. > Anyway if you want an evolutionary argument, competition drives > evolution of software, in an ideal world one would want more than one > database. Agreed. Choice is essential whatever platform you use. Whilst there are a great many pc apps available, choice on that platform is effectively restricted now in areas such as WP, since few training systems seem to allow for the existence of anything but Word. In a few more years will MS have killed off or taken over all their competitors? Only the intervention of governments can prevent that probability. The current ressurgence of Apple was only made possible by the injection of capital by BG, fearful of government action against his growing monopoly. But if MS continue to be so embedded in every area of computing, the US government will finally have to decide either to break it up into smaller businesses or give in to 'reality' and allow them to rule unchallenged. History shows us that the mighty always fall eventually, no matter how unlikely it may have seemed to the disempowered at the time. And so now is arguably the very best time to stick with the good ship RISC OS, as to hop onto MS Titanic now might be indeed be a short lived cruise....... Dave D -- __ _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| Real address as above -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:23:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88300 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:23:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916618288:20:10041:15; Mon, 18 Jan 99 00:11:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123998; 18 Jan 99 0:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA10781 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 00:03:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA10776 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 00:02:53 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.97) [193.149.78.97] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10229W-0002FQ-00; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 00:02:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 17 Jan 99 23:57:32 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Quotation Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 16 Jan 99 (21:36:25 +0000), pebbles@eurobell.co.uk wrote: >In message <8ffc50c548%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> > Alan Muscat wrote: > >> Call me lazy, but would someone like to write an applet which will >> allow, at the press of a button, quotation marks to appear around >> the selected text. > >You can do this without an Applet by using a macro button. The >following >is a very simplistic version -- but don't use it with anything >else but text selected... > > {cutselection(); type("\""); pasteselection(); type("\"")} > The following works and does use the clipboard - it is a little longer though! {int i,j,k;if(zoneorder()!=0){ i=bmcreate("qt1");j=bmcreate("qt2"); k=bmcreate("qt3");setbmtozone(j,k);setbmtocaret(i);setcarettobm(j); type("|!|T");;setcarettobm(k);type("|!|U");setcarettobm(i); bmdelete(j);bmdelete(k);bmdelete(i);};} This should be typed into the macro window David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:33:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88313 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:33:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916504013:10:29536:19; Sat, 16 Jan 99 16:26:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105878; 16 Jan 99 16:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA08331 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:15:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08326 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:15:35 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 101YOz-0007lO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:16:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 99 15:53:44 GMT Message-Id: <88256@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Rather naughty expecting the arch complainers to address the big cheeses. As far as I know, we've not even done the most weedy unimaginative thing i.e. put together a petition. For anyone who wants to make their displeasure at the current situation known, the address is sboland@acorn.com >> Although if anyone took advantage of the opportunity to download ROS4 over >> Xmas, I'd be interested to hear if the copy protection worked. >Huh? The tale is that the access information for the Acorn Developer Web site appeared on IRC over Xmas. A nice parallel to the way they 'released' RISC OS 3 (by leaving it on a machine at a Beebug open day). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:33:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88315 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:33:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916523151:10:04788:16; Sat, 16 Jan 99 21:45:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004673; 16 Jan 99 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA08843 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:33:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08838 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:33:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.202.190] (helo=awoods.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 101dMK-0003Za-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:34:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:31:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Allan Woods Subject: Re: Repelling Text Frames To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <83892@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Maybe I'm missin something but How can I make text frames NOT repel test in an underlying frame. I could do this in Imoression and used it for test effects! -- Allan Woods, Greenock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:33:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88322 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:33:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916611374:10:19457:15; Sun, 17 Jan 99 22:16:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107850; 17 Jan 99 22:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA10388 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:02:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA10380 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:02:47 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.87) [193.149.77.87] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1020Im-00007C-00; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:04:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:27:24 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 15 Jan 99 (17:00:20 +0000), newsreader@wcaco, news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk wrote: ....about care of paper-sizes: >Think about all this the next time you try to screw a better price out >of your printer :-) I have been the very proud owner of a copy of the 'Compact Oxford English Dictionary' for a number of years. This marvel of technology (with several thousand pages on beautiful white paper of about 20gm or so, photo-reduced so that 9 pages fit on one printed page must be one of the masterpieces of 'mass-produced' examples of the printer's art. It is printed, proof-read, and bound, to perfection. It's a real *How Do They Do That*... So, yep: you have all my praise. [And ta for my flowing sig-font once more Kevin!] -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 17:33:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88324 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 17:33:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916656812:10:13194:15; Mon, 18 Jan 99 10:53:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012934; 18 Jan 99 10:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11200 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:29:01 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11195 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:28:47 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.8] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 102Btr-0001kh-00; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:27:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:28:46 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <68c8e2c448%news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <68c8e2c448%news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > How does a laser printer help, as a matter of interest? > > I've come to the conclusion that paper is a much neglected but > > extremely important factor in the quality of the finished print. > > Some papers behave very badly when duplexed, for example. Others > > (perhaps because of the humidity) come out rather curled. (The laser > > heats the paper and subjects it to a rapid drying out). But I have > > found *some* kind of correlation between performance and cost. At least > > the stuff we end up using seems to cost a fortune! > > > The paper has a natural curl because of the way its made. if you print the > wrong side first the laser printer mechanism and the heat will encourage it > to curl more. If you print the correct side first the laser printer will > "prime" it so that when you print the other side it remains quite flat. > > How do you know which side to print first? > > The paper wrapper will have a sticker on one end (the end you open) with a > large arrow (a bit like the "this way up " arrow), thats the side you must > print first. This is usually also the smoothest side and the side the paper > manufacturer meant you to use for one side jobs... > How very interesting. I will definitely try it. It can only be done for long print jobs, though, as duplex printing prints on a different side first from single sided printing, so the paper stack in the tray would need turning over for each print job! Cheaper papers do not always tell you which side to print first, though. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 19:06:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88374 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 19:06:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916683767:10:24330:15; Mon, 18 Jan 99 18:22:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109287; 18 Jan 99 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA11651 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:03:16 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA11644 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:02:58 GMT Received: (qmail 5850 invoked from network); 18 Jan 1999 18:03:07 -0000 Received: from 66-025.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.25) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 1999 18:03:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:19:30 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes Message-ID: <7e2e2c648%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <68c8e2c448%news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <68c8e2c448%news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> "newsreader@wcaco" wrote: > The paper wrapper will have a sticker on one end (the end you open) with a > large arrow (a bit like the "this way up " arrow), thats the side you must > print first. This is usually also the smoothest side and the side the paper > manufacturer meant you to use for one side jobs... I've known about this arrow and what information it is intended to convey for a while, but I find its interpretation ambiguous. I wonder could you clarify your last piece of information by telling me which of the following is correct... If I put a packet of paper on the table with the arrow pointing up is it the top side of the sheets that should be printed on first? ....or... Is the arrow pointing up towards the underside of the sheets in the pack, indicating that the underside should be printed on first. Perhaps, now that I've listed both interpretations, you're not so sure which is correct yourself :-) I have seen an instruction printed on a pack of paper, next to the arrow, saying words to the effect "Print on side indicated by arrow first", without letting on how to interpret the arrow. Any definitive answers? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 20:55:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88377 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:55:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916687989:20:08392:58; Mon, 18 Jan 99 19:33:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126987; 18 Jan 99 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11825 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:14:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11820 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:14:26 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 102K84-0004i8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:14:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 99 18:12:32 GMT Message-Id: <88358@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Very true at present, but there will be other input methods taking over from >the keyboard itself in a few years time. Voice recognition >History shows us that the mighty always fall eventually, no matter how unlikely >it may have seemed to the disempowered at the time. The smart guys like Boland would say that the mighty only fall when the paradigm changes. Go back 20 years IBM dominated mainframes, they only fell because PC's came in. This is why companies like Sun and Oracle (and Acorn) are not even trying to make a better desktop computer. They all tell you the desktop is lost forever to MS. Their hopes are that something new will prove to be a bigger market than desktop computers. So with keyboards, Qwerty will be the standard until a completely different input device appears. When IBM stumbled it didn't mean that companies like Data General, and DEC then inherited the world - just the opposite. >Imperial scales still persist in common useage, not only because they are >'familiar', but because it is often easier to wrap your mind around a >measurement in reasonable size numbers (eg 20 inches as opposed to 508 mm). Its always fun to try and sell this line to someone from mainland Europe. To conclude what is far off topic - an independent desktop platform like RISC OS probably can survive, but not if it is handled the way Acorn has been for the last 5 years, and certainly not the way things are at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 20:55:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88378 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:55:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916690430:20:12132:20; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:13:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011771; 18 Jan 99 20:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11968 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:59:31 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11963 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:59:14 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.161] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 102Ko3-0002Rn-00; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:57:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:54:18 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 Message-ID: <7b377ec648%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88358@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <88358@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >Very true at present, but there will be other input methods taking over from > >the keyboard itself in a few years time. Voice recognition > > >History shows us that the mighty always fall eventually, no matter how unlikely > >it may have seemed to the disempowered at the time. > > > The smart guys like Boland would say that the mighty only fall when the > paradigm changes. Hmm. But perhaps there is no 'next big thing'. Perhaps the new paradigm is one of greater pluralism and interconnectivity. I do see Microsoft getting deeper into trouble. I also see the rise of Linux not as a potential rival for Microsoft directly, but part of a trend towards more open standards. > > To conclude what is far off topic - an independent desktop platform like > RISC OS probably can survive, but not if it is handled the way Acorn has > been for the last 5 years, and certainly not the way things are at the > moment. Yes, I agree with you here. It would be ironic if Acorn met its demise just as the world was coming round to the idea that there was a place for it! David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 20:55:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88380 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:55:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916691129:20:21076:23; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:25:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020650; 18 Jan 99 20:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA12013 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:05:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12007 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:05:20 GMT Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 102KvO-0007lH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:05:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:05:38 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Quotation Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > In message <8ffc50c548%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> > Alan Muscat wrote: > > > Call me lazy, but would someone like to write an applet which will > > allow, at the press of a button, quotation marks to appear around > > the selected text. Type the folllowing in the macro window, courtesy of AU magazine: /*BracketText*/ { int a=bmcreate("A"),b=bmcreate("B"); setbmtozone(a,b); while(bmchar(a)==32) { bmmove(a,1,0) }; while(bmprevchar(b)==32) { bmmove(b,0,0); }; setcarettobm(a); type("("); setcarettobm(b); type(")"); bmdelete(a); bmddelete(b); } Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 20:55:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88383 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:55:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916692705:20:12371:26; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:51:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012100; 18 Jan 99 20:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA12071 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:16:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA12061 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:16:01 GMT Received: from (193.149.93.242) [193.149.93.242] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 102L5m-0002jI-00; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:16:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:59:38 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c67eb49cdgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes In-Reply-To: <7e2e2c648%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 17 Jan, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > In message <68c8e2c448%news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> > "newsreader@wcaco" wrote: > > The paper wrapper will have a sticker on one end (the end you > > open) with a large arrow (a bit like the "this way up " arrow), > > thats the side you must print first. This is usually also the > > smoothest side and the side the paper manufacturer meant you to > > use for one side jobs... > I've known about this arrow and what information it is intended to > convey for a while, but I find its interpretation ambiguous. I > wonder could you clarify your last piece of information by telling > me which of the following is correct... > If I put a packet of paper on the table with the arrow pointing up > is it the top side of the sheets that should be printed on first? Yes, this is the correct interpretation. The arrow also has a second function. If you open the packet carefully at the end with the arrow on it, and fold back the end portion of the wrapper, the arrow indicates the direction you should pull the paper to remove it from the packet ;-) I find this very useful on one of my "off" days. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 20:57:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88388 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:57:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916692540:10:17571:17; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:49:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121127; 18 Jan 99 20:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA12205 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:32:08 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12200 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:31:54 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 102LLA-0007ls-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:32:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:23:04 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Tomorrow Macro To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry all I know I asked this before, and I thought I had filed away the response for a quiet moment such as this, but .... I can't find the archived replies on my email filing system. Could you refresh my memory (and filing system) about how I could change the TODAY macro (either the long complicated looking one) or the simple one {'C_D} to give the date TOMORROW? In my innocence I tried {C_D +1}. Don't laugh. It seemed like a good idea at the time. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 21:49:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88398 for opro ; Mon, 18 Jan 99 21:49:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916696306:10:02164:15; Mon, 18 Jan 99 21:51:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002084; 18 Jan 99 21:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA12577 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:34:52 GMT Received: from kiwi.winz.co.nz (root@[202.27.208.65] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12572 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:34:38 GMT Received: from yup (ppp0-19.winz.co.nz [202.27.208.99]) by kiwi.winz.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15980 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:34:42 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990119103221.006d17e8@winz.co.nz> X-Sender: jwd@winz.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:32:21 +1300 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: John W Dagg Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes In-Reply-To: <7e2e2c648%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> References: <68c8e2c448%news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 10:19 pm 17/1/1999 +0000, Brian O'Carrol wrote in part: > >I have seen an instruction printed on a pack of paper, next to the arrow, >saying words to the effect "Print on side indicated by arrow first", without >letting on how to interpret the arrow. > > > >Any definitive answers? > >Brian. > >-- >Brian O'Carroll > pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles Well not to put too fine a point on it, (or the arrow), arrows generally mean, "It goes that-a-way!" ie. Arrow tips surely always point to what they are indicating and need no interpretation. That is, they point in the general direction of the place they are pointing to. Otherwise there would be no POINT to the arrow in the first place. Cheeeesh! So if you have a ream of paper and the arrow points to the one side of that ream that is uppermost on the table, then it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to work out that the arrow is pointing to the surfaces that are uppermost. Which side up it goes into the printer tray, will depend entirely on what make and model printer you are using and you will have to work out which surface get's printed. some printers print on the side ypou have facing up in the tray and others on the other side. mark a piece of paper, stuff it in your tray and print something on it and see what side it prints on. Your marked side or your unmarked side. I suggest you take note too of the way the marked paper goes into the tray in the first place. John w Dagg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 01:42:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88406 for opro ; Tue, 19 Jan 99 01:42:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916701803:20:10371:20; Mon, 18 Jan 99 23:23:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010218; 18 Jan 99 23:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA12746 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:05:58 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12741 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:05:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.233.63] (helo=wcartsco.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 102Nju-0006EX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:05:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:56:26 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:50:12 +0000 From: "newsreader@wcaco" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes Message-ID: <585978c648%news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7e2e2c648%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <7e2e2c648%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <68c8e2c448%news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> > "newsreader@wcaco" wrote: > > The paper wrapper will have a sticker on one end (the end you open) with a > > large arrow (a bit like the "this way up " arrow), thats the side you must > > print first. This is usually also the smoothest side and the side the paper > > manufacturer meant you to use for one side jobs... > > I've known about this arrow and what information it is intended to convey for > a while, but I find its interpretation ambiguous. I wonder could you clarify > your last piece of information by telling me which of the following is > correct... > > > If I put a packet of paper on the table with the arrow pointing up is it the > top side of the sheets that should be printed on first? Yes. > I have seen an instruction printed on a pack of paper, next to the arrow, > saying words to the effect "Print on side indicated by arrow first", without > letting on how to interpret the arrow. Your'e thinking about it too much. Basically the arrow means "put the paper in the hopper this way up" cos most old machines (when this system was devised) printed on the upper surface as it lay in the hopper. You can test it out by marking the sheet and trying a test print, you will see that one way makes the paper curve more and makes the printer/copier more prone to jams on the second pass and the other way doesn't. Kevin -- The Western Commercial Arts Co. graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing grafix@wcartsco.demon.co.uk . . . . . . . . . . http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk Tel: 01344 453075 . . . . . Fax: 08701 60 04 84 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 13:42:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88425 for opro ; Tue, 19 Jan 99 13:42:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916728191:10:20712:16; Tue, 19 Jan 99 06:43:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020657; 19 Jan 99 6:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA13140 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:26:51 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA13135 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:26:36 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p55-max3.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.242.183]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA2 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:02:37 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: OPro Version 2.52 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <88358@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id GAB13140 Sad News David !!!!! On Tue 19 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > When IBM stumbled it didn't mean that companies like Data General, and = DEC > then inherited the world - just the opposite. >=20 >=20 > >Imperial scales still persist in common useage, not only because they = are > >'familiar', but because it is often easier to wrap your mind around a > >measurement in reasonable size numbers (eg 20 inches as opposed to 508= mm).=20 >=20 > Its always fun to try and sell this line to someone from mainland Europ= e. >=20 >=20 > To conclude what is far off topic - an independent desktop platform lik= e > RISC OS probably can survive, but not if it is handled the way Acorn ha= s > been for the last 5 years, and certainly not the way things are at the > moment. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > David Pilling >=20 > --=20 > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1= LR. UK. >=20 >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 13:42:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88430 for opro ; Tue, 19 Jan 99 13:42:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916746307:10:15514:16; Tue, 19 Jan 99 11:45:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126534; 19 Jan 99 11:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA13528 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:59:51 GMT Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13523 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:59:27 GMT Received: from modem-47.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.93.175] helo=wallace) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 102Ysq-0001tp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:59:44 +0000 Message-ID: <001401be4358$a7951160$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: New applets: !Marks and !Expert Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:06:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, A quick announcement that I've released two of my applets on my website as shareware: !Marks: This is an applet to enable better control of printers marks. You can edit the length, thickness and positions of both crop and registration marks and control whether Ovation Pro multitasks during printing. For those who understand, that's the settings of printchoices(), printchoices3() and printchoices4(). It enables saving of default values as well as saving within individual documents. !Expert: This applet is like a ligatures applet for old-style figures. In font families where there are Expert, OldStyle, OsF or SmallCaps variants, this applet replaces regular lining numerals with the appropriate old-style (lower-case) number. It keeps style variants (such as bold/italic) and also works as-you-type (like the Ligatures applet). Full details are in the helpfiles within the download archives. Follow the 'acorn' link at the top of my homepage, at http://come.to/kaijaks TTFN, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit and: research student in physics, university of warwick, coventry cv4 7al mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 21:26:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88470 for opro ; Tue, 19 Jan 99 21:26:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916773220:10:20930:22; Tue, 19 Jan 99 19:13:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020733; 19 Jan 99 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA14444 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:47:52 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14439 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:47:37 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.22]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA12408 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:40:03 +0000 Message-ID: <36A544B8.5B88@net.ntl.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:51:36 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tomorrow Macro References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro P Hutton wrote: > > In my innocence I tried {C_D +1}. Don't laugh. It seemed like a good idea > at the time. > > -- Not laughing, but smiling! This is a classic case of 'the machine should know what I mean' - I should talk, I curse every time I mistype some keyword or other. Perhaps we need a 'spellchecker' or multiple mispelt aliases to common commands :-) Yorus (oops) Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 21:26:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88474 for opro ; Tue, 19 Jan 99 21:26:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916775529:20:18078:15; Tue, 19 Jan 99 19:52:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115792; 19 Jan 99 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14517 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14502 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:02 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 102gbX-0002Tn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:23 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:47:51 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:05:35 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: <3d3995c648%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am at present using a Photodisc image which I have resized and changed the resolution to 225 from 300. I have then done a little processing. Image looks great in Photodesk. Save as sprite, image looks lo res in OP, with banding clearly visible. Saved image as jpeg. That produces a chequerboard effect. Loading the origianal image(jpeg) un-processed does not have this same effect. Saving the image as a sprite without any processing or re-sizing and image appears hi res in OP. Any thoughts? I am thinking that the problem is in the resizing of the inage in PD. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 21:26:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88475 for opro ; Tue, 19 Jan 99 21:26:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916775542:20:18013:34; Tue, 19 Jan 99 19:52:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017948; 19 Jan 99 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14519 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:45 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14507 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 102gba-0002UX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:27 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:47:56 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:47:29 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Quotation Applet Message-ID: <9f99c648%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message <8ffc50c548%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> > Alan Muscat wrote: > > > Call me lazy, but would someone like to write an applet which will > > allow, at the press of a button, quotation marks to appear around > > the selected text. > > You can do this without an Applet by using a macro button. The following > is a very simplistic version -- but don't use it with anything > else but text selected... > > {cutselection(); type("\""); pasteselection(); type("\"")} > > It cuts the selected text to the clipboard, types a quote, pastes back > the text and types another quote. This seems nice and simple except that it puts in inch marks and not smart quotes. It actually can be used for another purpose that can have it's uses, saving one click of the mouse. If you use it to cut a frame the pointer changes ready to paste the frame immediately. Neat. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 21:26:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88476 for opro ; Tue, 19 Jan 99 21:26:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916775717:20:20651:16; Tue, 19 Jan 99 19:55:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121921; 19 Jan 99 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14606 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:32:23 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA14601 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:32:11 GMT Received: (qmail 8856 invoked from network); 19 Jan 1999 19:32:33 -0000 Received: from 66-070.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.70) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 1999 19:32:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:39:20 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Script Commands Message-ID: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there a complete document somewhere that contains _ALL_ the OvationPro script commands? I've got the one known as Section 17.7 of the manual, but wonder if there are even more, and is there a compiled version? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 21:26:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88479 for opro ; Tue, 19 Jan 99 21:26:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916776821:10:01736:15; Tue, 19 Jan 99 20:13:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109711; 19 Jan 99 20:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14521 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:55 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14512 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:14 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 102gbi-0002Wx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:34 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:15:09 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:00:08 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Quotation Applet Message-ID: <86379ac648%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Sat 16 Jan 99 (21:36:25 +0000), pebbles@eurobell.co.uk wrote: > >In message <8ffc50c548%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> > > Alan Muscat wrote: > > > >> Call me lazy, but would someone like to write an applet which will > >> allow, at the press of a button, quotation marks to appear around > >> the selected text. > > > >You can do this without an Applet by using a macro button. The > >following > >is a very simplistic version -- but don't use it with anything > >else but text selected... > > > > {cutselection(); type("\""); pasteselection(); type("\"")} > > > The following works and does use the clipboard - it is a little longer though! > > {int i,j,k;if(zoneorder()!=0){ i=bmcreate("qt1");j=bmcreate("qt2"); > k=bmcreate("qt3");setbmtozone(j,k);setbmtocaret(i);setcarettobm(j); > type("|!|T");;setcarettobm(k);type("|!|U");setcarettobm(i); > bmdelete(j);bmdelete(k);bmdelete(i);};} This works well. Thanks. Except that it places the caret at the beginning of the selection(after the first quote mark). What would I do to change it to produce single quote marks? Cheers. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 23:10:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88492 for opro ; Tue, 19 Jan 99 23:10:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916785414:20:25328:19; Tue, 19 Jan 99 22:36:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125716; 19 Jan 99 22:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA15145 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:01:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15134 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:00:37 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 102jCm-0005gG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:01:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 21:51:26 GMT Message-Id: <88488@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Image looks great in Photodesk. Save as sprite, image looks lo res in OP, >with banding clearly visible. Saved image as jpeg. That produces a >chequerboard effect. Sounds like classic aliasing effects. A screen has only 90 dpi, so if you want to display a high resolution image, lines are missed out, and the results on screen then look awful. When you print it things will be totally different. Programs like David Pilling's scanning software and PD have a button ('rational') which zooms the image so that one image pixel lands on one screen pixel. I guess in OPro you would zoom up the page and see what it looked like. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 01:25:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88499 for opro ; Wed, 20 Jan 99 01:25:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916784652:10:25993:15; Tue, 19 Jan 99 22:24:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111563; 19 Jan 99 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA15146 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:01:04 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15138 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:00:39 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 102jCn-0005gG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:01:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 21:53:52 GMT Message-Id: <88490@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Script Commands X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a complete document somewhere that contains _ALL_ the >OvationPro script commands? Not as far as I know. There's the manual and then there is the 'Newfuncts' document which comes in the upgrade archives. There is not a combined document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 01:25:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88506 for opro ; Wed, 20 Jan 99 01:25:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916792338:10:25582:42; Wed, 20 Jan 99 00:32:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024723; 20 Jan 99 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA15455 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:16:23 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA15450 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:16:08 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 102lJw-0000LG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:16:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:41:09 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Wierd Error message To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OK OK It's me again. I have suddenly started getting a really odd error message when I try copying and pasting. Copying fine. Go to paste - ctrl v, and I get an error "You cannot save a document when the master pages are open." I have recently turned on autosaving, but why this message? My master pages haven't even BEEN opened! Any help appreciated. I suppose I could turn off auto-save, but if there is a workaround, I would be grateful. MGTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 14:18:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88523 for opro ; Wed, 20 Jan 99 14:18:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916832888:10:29758:16; Wed, 20 Jan 99 11:48:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029642; 20 Jan 99 11:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA15975 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:22:31 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15970 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:22:17 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09074 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:22:43 GMT Received: from mimosa (phrvn@mimosa [137.205.192.34]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA21654 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:22:41 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:22:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Nick Kaijaks To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res In-Reply-To: <3d3995c648%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Alan Muscat wrote: > I am at present using a Photodisc image which I have > resized and changed the resolution to 225 from 300. I have then done a > little processing. Image looks > great in Photodesk. Save as sprite, image looks > lo res in OP, with banding clearly visible. Saved > image as jpeg. That produces a chequerboard effect. > Loading the origianal image(jpeg) un-processed does > not have this same effect. Saving the image as a sprite > without any processing or re-sizing and image appears hi res in OP. > > Any thoughts? > > I am thinking that the problem is in the resizing > of the inage in PD. If you sometimes see banding and sometimes chequerboards it sounds like Moire fringing. Do you see it at different scales? Are you looking at one magnification in PD and another in OP? Does it occur when printing, as sometimes moire fringes show up on screen but not in print. Of course I could have misinterpreted you completely, and it could be nothing of the sort :-/ HTH, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ phd(?) physics, university of warwick ~ http://come.to/kaijaks mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 14:18:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88527 for opro ; Wed, 20 Jan 99 14:18:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916834212:20:13809:34; Wed, 20 Jan 99 12:10:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013815; 20 Jan 99 12:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA15997 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:24:54 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15991 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:24:41 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09625 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:25:10 GMT Received: from mimosa (phrvn@mimosa [137.205.192.34]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA22494 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:24:58 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:24:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Nick Kaijaks To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Script Commands In-Reply-To: <88490@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, David Pilling wrote: > > >Is there a complete document somewhere that contains _ALL_ the > >OvationPro script commands? > > Not as far as I know. There's the manual and then there is the > 'Newfuncts' document which comes in the upgrade archives. > > There is not a combined document. Any possibility of one - it would be very handy. Alternatively of releasing the original chapter doc. I'd be happy to merge them together myself. Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ phd(?) physics, university of warwick ~ http://come.to/kaijaks mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 01:21:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88578 for opro ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 01:21:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916871189:10:13358:18; Wed, 20 Jan 99 22:26:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013214; 20 Jan 99 22:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA16892 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:08:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA16887 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:08:01 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 1035nf-0005d2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:08:36 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:09:11 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:09:04 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: <193a92c748%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > I am at present using a Photodisc image which I have > > resized and changed the resolution to 225 from 300. I have then done a > > little processing. Image looks > > great in Photodesk. Save as sprite, image looks > > lo res in OP, with banding clearly visible. Saved > > image as jpeg. That produces a chequerboard effect. > > Loading the origianal image(jpeg) un-processed does > > not have this same effect. Saving the image as a sprite > > without any processing or re-sizing and image appears hi res in OP. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > I am thinking that the problem is in the resizing > > of the inage in PD. > > If you sometimes see banding and sometimes chequerboards it sounds like > Moire fringing. Do you see it at different scales? Yes, but the c'board effect seems to change in odd ways. > Are you looking at one > magnification in PD and another in OP? No. > Does it occur when printing, as > sometimes moire fringes show up on screen but not in print. It has not shown from my inkjet, but I'm concerned that it will when litho printed. > > Of course I could have misinterpreted you completely, and it could be > nothing of the sort :-/ Well thanks for trying. I've not heard of fringing..? -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 13:46:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88605 for opro ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 13:46:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916909165:10:16890:17; Thu, 21 Jan 99 08:59:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105339; 21 Jan 99 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA17351 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:40:46 GMT Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (kochanski.wn.planet.gen.nz [203.98.47.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17345 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:40:19 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05858 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:40:45 +1300 (NZDT) >Received: by bridge.wn.planet.gen.nz (ReadNews 0.34); Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:40:17 +1300 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:40:13 +1300 From:(Julian Wright) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Auto Scale Message-ID: Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Lines: 26 Received: from bridge by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:40 NZD Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I just found an interesting little oddity recently with Auto Scale of images. When I drop an image into a lone frame, choose Auto Scale from the Modify Picture dialogue, and resize the frame it works fine - the image rescales itself to the new dimensions of the frame. But if I have another frame grouped with the image frame (in my case it was a text frame), then when I resize the group the image *doesn't* resize itself. Clicking "Fit" on the toolbar works ok, but it's a little extra hassle. I was trying to find a quick way to put a fancy drawfile-based border around a text frame, and it sort-of works, but because of the above problem is not quite perfect. As an aside, it would be nice to be able to link groups of frames which have one "text" frame apiece together. But I can appreciate why this wasn't put in in the first place. I'm using 2.51 incidentally. In fact, I found the problem on 2.49, but decided to upgrade and try it on 2.51 just to make sure it hadn't already been fixed. :-) Julian. -- Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 19:06:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88633 for opro ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 19:06:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916945474:20:02784:15; Thu, 21 Jan 99 19:04:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002738; 21 Jan 99 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18148 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:37:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18143 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:36:45 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 103Oyr-0005Q1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:37:26 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:37:56 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:23:37 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: <5cd99c748%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3d3995c648%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Just discovered that displaying at 16 million colours instead of 32,000 takes away the banding, and the chequerboard effect with jpegs. What I don't understand is why it is the first time I have experienced this. It must have something to do with what I have done to the image when changing the size and resolution in PD, So perhaps I should be discussing this in the PD list. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 19:06:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88637 for opro ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 19:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916944253:10:04809:16; Thu, 21 Jan 99 18:44:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004602; 21 Jan 99 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18021 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:15:07 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA18016 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:14:51 GMT Received: (qmail 3679 invoked from network); 21 Jan 1999 18:15:34 -0000 Received: from 66-038.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.38) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 1999 18:15:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:24:47 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Script Commands Message-ID: <763378c748%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88490@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <88490@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Is there a complete document somewhere that contains _ALL_ the > >OvationPro script commands? > > Not as far as I know. There's the manual and then there is the > 'Newfuncts' document which comes in the upgrade archives. > > There is not a combined document. > Are there any other script commands available that are not in one of these two documents? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 19:37:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88651 for opro ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 19:37:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916946209:10:27916:23; Thu, 21 Jan 99 19:16:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125141; 21 Jan 99 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18141 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:36:37 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18136 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:36:17 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 103OyU-0003hw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:37:03 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:13:39 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:13:32 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <88488@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <88488@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >Image looks great in Photodesk. Save as sprite, image looks lo res in OP, > >with banding clearly visible. Saved image as jpeg. That produces a > >chequerboard effect. > > Sounds like classic aliasing effects. A screen has only 90 dpi, so > if you want to display a high resolution image, lines are missed out, > and the results on screen then look awful. I've not had this before. I have had the chequerboard effect before and I think it might be related to jpegs. This effect did print out! > > When you print it things will be totally different. True on my inkjet for the banding effect. > > Programs like David Pilling's scanning software and PD have a button ('rational') which zooms > the image so that one image pixel lands on one screen pixel. > > I guess in OPro you would zoom up the page and see what it looked like. The effect is always visible no matter what zoom level. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 21:16:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88657 for opro ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 21:16:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916949341:20:25521:17; Thu, 21 Jan 99 20:09:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025428; 21 Jan 99 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA18503 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:53:54 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18498 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:53:41 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103QBP-0000qt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:54:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 99 19:40:44 GMT Message-Id: <88654@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The effect is always visible no matter what zoom level. But then again... if you use a crude scaling technique not to just view the image but to produce a scaled down version, the aliasing will become permanent and you do need to worry. PD should use more sophisticated techniques, unless you've deliberately switched them off. BTW JPEG is of course based on splitting the image into cells and under certain circumstances they can become visible. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 21:16:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88659 for opro ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 21:16:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916949665:20:29862:23; Thu, 21 Jan 99 20:14:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105834; 21 Jan 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA18492 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:41:48 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18483 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:41:10 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103PzG-0005LO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:41:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 99 19:30:15 GMT Message-Id: <88647@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What I don't understand is why it is the first time I have experienced >this. It must have something to do with what I have done to the image >when changing the size and resolution in PD I'd suspect it is more to do with the size of the image and the level of detail. I have a sprite which shows horrifying chequer board effects as it is scaled. I was worried I had found a bug when I first saw it. As I said if in a 'rational' scale view the effects go away you needn't worry. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 21:16:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88661 for opro ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 21:16:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916950538:20:12015:15; Thu, 21 Jan 99 20:28:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129881; 21 Jan 99 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA18491 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:41:48 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18481 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:41:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103PzE-0005LO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:41:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 99 19:26:05 GMT Message-Id: <88645@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Script Commands X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >Are there any other script commands available that are not in >one of these two documents? To the best of our ability no. But you may notice that in the release notes to 2.51 I found a function which had never been documented anywhere. I commented by private mail to Nick K yesterday that Beebug would probably welcome someone gluing all the documentation together. If anyone ever gets around to it, I can give you a definitive list of all the functions names from the source code and you can tick 'em off. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 21:17:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88665 for opro ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 21:17:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916950977:20:17364:17; Thu, 21 Jan 99 20:36:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017281; 21 Jan 99 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA18472 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:40:24 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18467 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:40:08 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id TAA16110 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:35:32 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22764; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:04:06 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:40:08 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper sizes Message-ID: <48C78A15D0%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990119103221.006d17e8@winz.co.nz> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3.0.3.32.19990119103221.006d17e8@winz.co.nz> John W Dagg wrote: > At 10:19 pm 17/1/1999 +0000, Brian O'Carrol wrote in part: >> I have seen an instruction printed on a pack of paper, next to the arrow, >> saying words to the effect "Print on side indicated by arrow first", >> without letting on how to interpret the arrow. I'm glad you asked, because I was always too scared to expose my ignorance. ;-) >> Any definitive answers? > So if you have a ream of paper and the arrow points to the one side of > that ream that is uppermost on the table, It's pointing towards the undersides of some of the sheets of paper that constitute that ream, and away from the top sides of others. > then it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to work out that the arrow is > pointing to the surfaces that are uppermost. Quite the opposite. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 21:17:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88671 for opro ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 21:17:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916951336:10:26815:17; Thu, 21 Jan 99 20:42:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114892; 21 Jan 99 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA18744 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:20:12 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA18738 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:19:57 GMT Received: from [158.152.123.49] (helo=retreat.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103Qak-00071O-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:20:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:51:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <5cd99c748%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 20 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > What I don't understand is why it is the first time I have experienced > this. It must have something to do with what I have done to the image > when changing the size and resolution in PD, So perhaps I should be > discussing this in the PD list. > Could you let me know the way of subscribing to PD list. I thought I had done some time ago but obviously the instructions I followed were wrong. Thanks! > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 00:54:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88679 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 00:54:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916964546:10:20314:16; Fri, 22 Jan 99 00:22:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020231; 22 Jan 99 0:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA19275 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:07:22 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA19270 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:07:10 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.99.211]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA11507 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:12:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:44:53 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Tab Settings To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I used to find it very handy, when laying out a document that used a number of tab settings to be able to do the following i prepare document ii 'select' to place the caret in a piece of text which containd tab settings I wished to impose on a piece of text imported by 'drag and drop' iii 'adjust' to select the entire piece of text into which I wished to force the relevant tab settings iv 'CTRL/TAB' to open the tab setting dialogue window v 'select' on 'OK' This had the effect of harmonising the tab settings throughout the selected area. Now, when I do this, nothing happens. I am using version 2.51. Does anyone know if this is a deliberate change from Ovation? -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 02:34:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88701 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 02:34:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 916972595:10:03470:15; Fri, 22 Jan 99 02:36:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123010; 22 Jan 99 2:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA19512 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:23:51 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA19507 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:23:38 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103WGq-0002Ow-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:24:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 99 00:58:39 GMT Message-Id: <88682@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab Settings X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Now, when I do this, nothing happens. I am using version 2.51. >Does anyone know if this is a deliberate change from Ovation? If you mean 'Ovation' i.e. the old program, then all bets are off OvationPro is another program, and I'd not like to work out every tiny way in which things are different. If you mean 'Ovation' another version of OvationPro, then which? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 18:57:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88745 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 18:57:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917026292:20:19692:23; Fri, 22 Jan 99 17:31:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019751; 22 Jan 99 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA20163 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:07:54 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA20158 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:07:39 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:08:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:08:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c87e5b23C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Ordering of styles Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro When producing a large document I find I create required styles when I decide I need them, and hence they appear in style menus/style palette in the order created, which may not be very logical for intuitive selection. It is possible to reorder the styles by saving the document as DDL, and then using a text editor to change the order in which the styles have been defined (they are to be found near the start of the DDL file). On reloading the DDL file, the style menus are in the new order. Is there a quicker/better way of doing this? Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 18:57:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88747 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 18:57:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917029368:10:29591:22; Fri, 22 Jan 99 18:22:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117217; 22 Jan 99 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA20306 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:04:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA20301 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:03:57 GMT Received: from (argby92.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.93.213] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 103kwx-0000fl-00; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:04:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:08:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Cleave Subject: Creating Tables To: Ovation Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro When merging table data into OvationPro how do you make the data appear as a table? Data seems to be in unevenly spaced. regards Phil -- philc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 20:53:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88754 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 20:53:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917036465:20:11544:16; Fri, 22 Jan 99 20:21:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125076; 22 Jan 99 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20507 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:54:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20491 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:54:23 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103mfp-0002St-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:55:22 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:28:30 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:28:19 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <88654@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <88654@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >The effect is always visible no matter what zoom level. > > But then again... if you use a crude scaling technique not > to just view the image but to produce a scaled down version, > the aliasing will become permanent and you do need to worry. > > PD should use more sophisticated techniques, unless you've > deliberately switched them off. No I haven't done this. I always use Bi-cubic. > > BTW JPEG is of course based on splitting the image into cells and under > certain circumstances they can become visible. The time I got the chequerboard effect on printing out, I did use a crude form of scaling by simply shoving a jpeg image into a frame with out regard to resolution because I knew I would have more than I needed. So I won't be doing that again. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 20:54:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88753 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 20:53:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917037705:10:04439:15; Fri, 22 Jan 99 20:41:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004088; 22 Jan 99 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20510 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:55:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20501 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:54:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103mfz-0002U3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:55:32 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:56:04 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:37:31 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: <9ca723c848%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88647@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <88647@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >What I don't understand is why it is the first time I have experienced > >this. It must have something to do with what I have done to the image > >when changing the size and resolution in PD > > I'd suspect it is more to do with the size of the image and the > level of detail. I have a sprite which shows horrifying chequer board > effects as it is scaled. I was worried I had found a bug when I first saw it. > > As I said if in a 'rational' scale view the effects go away you needn't worry. But how do I achieve that? Wouldn't it be difficult without creating a new screen mode? > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 20:54:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88756 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 20:54:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917037958:10:07241:15; Fri, 22 Jan 99 20:45:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110826; 22 Jan 99 20:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20508 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:55:04 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20495 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:54:27 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103mft-0002TQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:55:26 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:38:24 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:35:37 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: <127b23c848%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88654@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <88654@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >The effect is always visible no matter what zoom level. > > But then again... if you use a crude scaling technique not > to just view the image but to produce a scaled down version, > the aliasing will become permanent and you do need to worry. The effect experienced is independent of OP as I have viewed the image in Paint and the same effect os there. > > PD should use more sophisticated techniques, unless you've > deliberately switched them off. > > BTW JPEG is of course based on splitting the image into cells and under > certain circumstances they can become visible. > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 20:54:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88759 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 20:54:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917038588:10:14102:15; Fri, 22 Jan 99 20:56:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126158; 22 Jan 99 20:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA20662 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:27:08 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20654 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:26:52 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103nBG-00079K-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:27:51 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:14:20 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:14:12 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: <14628fc848%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Wed 20 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > Could you let me know the way of subscribing to PD list. I thought I had > done some time ago but obviously the instructions I followed were wrong. I kept the details stored away for such a day as this. Here they are from the maintainer of the list: As list maintainer for the Photodesk mailing list, I will try to clear up some of the issues discussed in this thread... Firstly, subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be directed to: photodesk-users-request@reading.ac.uk with Subject: subscribe|unsubscribe After subscribing, you should receive an automatic response viz: You have added to the subscriber list of: photodesk-users@csres.cs.reading.ac.uk the following mail address: Submissions to the list should now be sent to: photodesk-users@reading.ac.uk Note that photodesk-users@csres.cs.reading.ac.uk is an alias for photodesk-users@reading.ac.uk, although submissions to either address should work. If you have any specific queries about subscribing (e.g. you have received notification of subscription but have not received any list messages) then please get in touch with me directly. Best wishes, James Ferryman. J.M.Ferryman@reading.ac.uk >In message <4807c4679cri.scott@argonet.co.uk> > Ian Scott wrote: >> In article <48077E54A1%mtillman@argonet.co.uk>, >> Martin Tillman wrote: >> > Clearly the address to post to is and >> > the posts I've received have used that address. >> OK .... I tried that one last night ... and very promptly got a returned >> mail receipt!!! Aargh!!!! >Because you're not subscribed, no doubt! [1] >> The message is below ...can anyone tell me anything from it? >Not me :-( >> Just a thought, should SUBSCRIBE be in the Subject of the mailing, or the >> body of it? >Try both... >[1] However, your posts to the list did get through! >It would be sensible if the details of how to join the list etc. were held >somewhere obvious and easily accessible - what about Spacetech's main >PhotoDesk page?! >I'm just about to compose a mail to the list maintainer... >-- >m. -- -- James ,,, (o o) -----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------- -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 22:08:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88777 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 22:08:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917041785:20:26614:25; Fri, 22 Jan 99 21:49:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026496; 22 Jan 99 21:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21116 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:36:42 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21111 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:36:30 GMT Received: from [194.222.185.234] (helo=moor-lane.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103oGg-00030N-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:37:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:15:17 +0000 (GMT) From: allan harris Subject: error messages To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am using Ovation Pro 2.51 and it is working fine but I have obviously caused some problems as the following error messages appear (I've truncated the path names) when I boot the software up. 1. error; multiple definition at line 19 in Ov.Pro.Applets !InstExpand.Library.!RJETLib 2. as above but with Library.!RTFile 3. also !RtString and RtFont. 4. after all these messages I get Applets.!Ovation1.Specific not found. Should I delete !InstExpand and reinstall? What has gone wrong with Ovation1, in fact what is it! Any help gratefullt received. As I said the software seems to work despite what I have done to it in some way. -- Allan Harris, GP, Haxby, York YO32 2PH tel 01904-768666 work 01904-760125, fax 750168 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 22:08:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88776 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 22:08:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917041258:10:12068:17; Fri, 22 Jan 99 21:40:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011847; 22 Jan 99 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21065 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:14:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21047 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:14:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103nv9-0005IH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:15:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 99 21:00:37 GMT Message-Id: <88766@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> As I said if in a 'rational' scale view the effects go away you needn't worry. >But how do I achieve that? Wouldn't it be difficult without creating >a new screen mode? In David Pilling's scanning software you select the magnify tool and click on the 'rational' button. Photodesk works in a similar way. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 22:08:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88779 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 22:08:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917042366:10:24433:17; Fri, 22 Jan 99 21:59:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100773; 22 Jan 99 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21064 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:14:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA20581 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:22:16 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.25) [193.149.77.25] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 103n6p-0003Zw-00; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:23:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:42:08 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48c8191742lionels@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: White gaps etc. In-Reply-To: <36999219.7C8C@kbnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <36999219.7C8C@kbnet.co.uk>, Mike Williams wrote: > This was posted in July but I don't recall ever seeing any response. The > same problem occured in the latest issue of Acorn Publisher (Portfolio > pages for those who subscribe). Is there any way of avoiding this? Bit late picking up on this one. Computer just returned from Reflex having had a timing fix - maybe? Is my problem with dotted lines appearing near the tops of some graphics frames when printing out a 92MB at 720dpi x 720dpi (or higher) to an Epson Stylus Color 800 related (!Printers 1.54 in use). At 360dpi resolution there is no such problem. I had hoped that this was one of the many problems I was having which would be cured by the Reflex work. How does one remove documents from Program Menu Documents List? Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children & 1 dog | Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 22:08:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88780 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 22:08:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917042366:10:24458:15; Fri, 22 Jan 99 21:59:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024321; 22 Jan 99 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21067 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:15:01 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21055 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:14:19 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103nvC-0005IH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:15:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 99 21:06:21 GMT Message-Id: <88770@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is my problem with dotted lines appearing near the tops of some graphics >frames when printing out a 92MB at 720dpi x 720dpi (or higher) to an Epson >Stylus Color 800 related (!Printers 1.54 in use). Probably. >How does one remove documents from Program Menu Documents List? I think the idea is that it shows the last ten documents you've used. However you can clobber the menu contents by removing the 'Documents' file from inside the !Document applet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 23:07:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88788 for opro ; Fri, 22 Jan 99 23:07:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917044700:20:06909:16; Fri, 22 Jan 99 22:38:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006775; 22 Jan 99 22:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA21543 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:27:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21538 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:27:41 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103p4C-0002d0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:28:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 99 22:11:21 GMT Message-Id: <88783@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: error messages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. error; multiple definition at line 19 in Ov.Pro.Applets >!InstExpand.Library.!RJETLib Rupert Thompsons applets come with an installer program, you run that from outside OPro and it installs the applet inside OPro. What you've done wrong is to stick the installer inside the applets directory where it will get run everytime you run OPro. So I think you end up with the applet installed and then the code is run again from inside the installer. Possibly deleteing the installer from the Applets directory will be enough to fix this. >4. after all these messages I get Applets.!Ovation1.Specific >not found. Ah most interesting. The Ovation1 applet is needed to load old Ovation 1.XX files. If you never had O1 you can remove it. I have heard of this error before, and my reaction then was that !Ovation1 never referenced a file called 'specific'. Now I'd be inclined to suggest that the goings on with the Installers have corrupted the O1 applet. - Reinstall. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:23:16 1999 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 23 Jan 99 15:00:57 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: New version of !Labeller Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have corrected the bug in this Applet (which allows the easy generation of label sheets) associated with the 'blank line stripping' function. This should be available on the OP resources site soon. In addition to the bug fix the program now allows the page size of the labels to be changed. Regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:23:16 1999 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 23 Jan 99 12:11:05 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Quotation Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 19 Jan 99 (01:00:08 +0000), ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk wrote: >> {int i,j,k;if(zoneorder()!=0){ i=bmcreate("qt1");j=bmcreate("qt2"); >> k=bmcreate("qt3");setbmtozone(j,k);setbmtocaret(i);setcarettobm(j); >> type("|!|T");;setcarettobm(k);type("|!|U");setcarettobm(i); >> bmdelete(j);bmdelete(k);bmdelete(i);};} > >This works well. Thanks. Except that it places the caret at the >beginning >of the selection(after the first quote mark). > >What would I do to change it to produce single quote marks? > >Cheers. >-- > >Alan Muscat >email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk > > The script above sets the cursor to the position it was at before the script was run. change the setcarettobm(i) (just before the bmdelete commands) statement to setcarettobm(k) to set the cursor to the end of the selection (or setcarettobm(j) for the start). The two type commands contain the quotes see page 245 of the OP manual - these equate to characters 148 and 149. Replace them as follows for single quotes: |!|T to |!|P |!|U to |!|Q Regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:23:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51722 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:23:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917118218:10:01751:15; Sat, 23 Jan 99 19:03:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001590; 23 Jan 99 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA22852 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:44:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22847 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:44:26 GMT Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10483t-0002eU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:45:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:40:48 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: New version of !Labeller To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 23 Jan, Mr Breakwell wrote: > I have corrected the bug in this Applet (which allows the easy generation of > label sheets) associated with the 'blank line stripping' function. This should > be available on the OP resources site soon. > > In addition to the bug fix the program now allows the page size of the labels > to be changed. > Thank you for all your hard work. I have found your comments regarding applets to be interesting and useful. Have you thought about a tutorial course . . . ? Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:23:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51726 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:23:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917118638:10:05763:20; Sat, 23 Jan 99 19:10:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005718; 23 Jan 99 19:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA22844 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:37:50 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA22836 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:37:29 GMT Received: (qmail 22302 invoked from network); 23 Jan 1999 18:38:40 -0000 Received: from 66-170.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.170) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 1999 18:38:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:41:17 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Fit frame to contents! Message-ID: <58e086c848%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This isn't as silly as it sounds. I would like to be able to automatically scale an OvationPro frame to fit the object inside it. Bitmapps: useful to be able to use pre-processed and cropped photos Vectors: For getting all those corperate logos at their 'designed size' Text: Without reformatting the text, just contract the frame intil it meets the bounding size of the contents (allowing to inserts). This is particulary useful if vertical/horizontal can be done seperately so that headers and footers can quickly be set to just the right size to hold one or two lines. Perhaps someone would be inspired to write an Applet to do this which includeds a neat little control pallet :-) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:23:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51730 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:23:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917119357:10:12616:19; Sat, 23 Jan 99 19:22:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112184; 23 Jan 99 19:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA22843 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:37:49 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA22832 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:37:25 GMT Received: (qmail 22293 invoked from network); 23 Jan 1999 18:38:35 -0000 Received: from 66-170.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.170) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 1999 18:38:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:10:03 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: <1e484c848%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88654@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro With respect to... not seeing the problem in Photodesk... not seeing the problem in deep colour screen modes seeing the problem in shallow (256 colour?) screen modes not seeing the problem when printed on an ink jet Photodesk is _extrememly_ good at displaying full colour images in 256 colour screen modes to the point that it makes everything else look awful. I wonder if the problem might be a combination of... ...colour gradients appearing as what you called 'banding'. If are they straight and horizontal this is what is normally meant by banding -- often the result of a blocked ink-jet print head. If the bands follow the contours of the picture this is known more commonly as quantisistation. ...aliasing mentioned before producing the chequerboard effect. [ If I've guessed wrong at this point, the rest will not be of help, but if you read it anyway don't let it confuse you! ] I gather these are two different effects your are seeing. The 'banding' one might go away when printed using and inkjet which is able to render a larger number of intermediate colours than you have on your screen. This would explain why it goes away when you look at it in deeper colour screen modes. As for the JPEG, are you saving it as a JPEG from Photodesk? Do you have the 'Quality' setting to something like 85%, which is it's default? Lower quality settings will produce a chequerboard effect without any help from the displaying application. If you have access to David Pilling's scanning software, try looking at some of your pictures in that: you can turn the 'Dithering' on and off. If the picture looks _much_ better (contoured banding effect goes away) with the dithering on (in 256 colour modes) then that is probably a good thing for when you get it printed professionally -- it could mean the image is rich in colour tones and will make good use of the professional printing process! Scaling an image with this contoured banding effect will have no effect on how it looks. Hope this helps. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From allan@moor-lane.demon.co.uk Mon Jan 25 18:23:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51734 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:23:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917170744:20:16111:1; Sun, 24 Jan 99 09:39:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016099; 24 Jan 99 9:39 GMT Received: from [194.222.185.234] (helo=moor-lane.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 104M0U-0003JI-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:39:03 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:40:32 +0000 (GMT) From: allan harris Subject: Errors To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Thanks, having deleted the Install program from applets Ovation Pro now loads with no error messages. -- Allan Harris, GP, Haxby, York YO32 2PH tel 01904-768666 work 01904-760125, fax 750168 From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:24:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51748 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:24:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917141826:10:22910:19; Sun, 24 Jan 99 01:37:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105948; 24 Jan 99 1:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA23785 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:23:54 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23780 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:23:41 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.99.52]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAC7433 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:30:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:31:46 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Tab Settings To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <88682@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 22 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >Now, when I do this, nothing happens. I am using version 2.51. > >Does anyone know if this is a deliberate change from Ovation? > > If you mean 'Ovation' i.e. the old program, then all bets are off > OvationPro is another program, and I'd not like to work out every tiny way > in which things are different. (Telephone book down trousers)... I used to do this in Ovation and as far as I can recall, it worked up to 2.46? of OvationPro. > > If you mean 'Ovation' another version of OvationPro, then which? > 'Fraid cannot be more specific. (.....Another telephone book down trousers!) It's the sort of facility that you use, get used to, notice you cannot do anymore, live with it and moan inwardly for a while, start to find a more regular need for it again and decide to write (humbly) for advice of the great and the good. > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:24:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51750 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:24:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917173939:10:06663:15; Sun, 24 Jan 99 10:32:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107982; 24 Jan 99 10:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA24158 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:07:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA24153 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:07:00 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.193) [193.149.74.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 104MSj-0007QB-00; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:08:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 24 Jan 99 09:58:47 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: New version of !Labeller Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 23 Jan 99 (18:40:48 +0000), roz@infotech.demon.co.uk wrote: >Thank you for all your hard work. I have found your comments regarding >applets to be interesting and useful. Have you thought about a tutorial >course . . . ? > >Kind regards, > >Ros > If people want help or have ideas that they want developed then I am always open to suggestions and often take them forward. The problem with a course is coming up with the real world/useful examples. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:25:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51767 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:25:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917224407:20:11637:47; Mon, 25 Jan 99 00:33:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125945; 25 Jan 99 0:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA25309 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:35:23 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25298 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:34:35 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 104Z4T-0006PF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:36:02 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:36:38 GMT Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:56:37 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Keep Style, colour and page palettes to front Message-ID: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I would really appreciate it if the Style, Colour and Page palettes could be made to 'keep to front' as I use them a great deal and it is unproductive to have to keep calling them to the front. Any chance? -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:25:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51768 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:25:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917225270:20:22490:15; Mon, 25 Jan 99 00:47:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022425; 25 Jan 99 0:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA25301 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:34:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25283 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:34:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 104Z49-0006Ms-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:35:41 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:14:53 GMT Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:14:46 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: <2a1b97c948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88766@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <88766@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >> As I said if in a 'rational' scale view the effects go away you needn't worry. > >But how do I achieve that? Wouldn't it be difficult without creating > >a new screen mode? > > > In David Pilling's scanning software you select the magnify tool and click on the 'rational' > button. Photodesk works in a similar way. Yes, I understand this, but I was thinking about OP. Is it possible to do in OP? -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:25:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51770 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:25:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917225754:20:28398:15; Mon, 25 Jan 99 00:55:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117185; 25 Jan 99 0:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA25308 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:35:23 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25293 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:34:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 104Z4Q-0006Od-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:35:58 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:36:32 GMT Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:42:18 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Quotation Applet Message-ID: <72a099c948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue 19 Jan 99 (01:00:08 +0000), ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk wrote: > >> {int i,j,k;if(zoneorder()!=0){ i=bmcreate("qt1");j=bmcreate("qt2"); > >> k=bmcreate("qt3");setbmtozone(j,k);setbmtocaret(i);setcarettobm(j); > >> type("|!|T");;setcarettobm(k);type("|!|U");setcarettobm(i); > >> bmdelete(j);bmdelete(k);bmdelete(i);};} > > > >This works well. Thanks. Except that it places the caret at the > >beginning > >of the selection(after the first quote mark). > > > >What would I do to change it to produce single quote marks? > > > >Cheers. > >-- > > > >Alan Muscat > >email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk > > > > > The script above sets the cursor to the position it was at before the script > was run. change the setcarettobm(i) (just before the bmdelete commands) > statement to setcarettobm(k) to set the cursor to the end of the selection (or > setcarettobm(j) for the start). > > The two type commands contain the quotes see page 245 of the OP manual - these > equate to characters 148 and 149. Replace them as follows for single quotes: > > |!|T to |!|P > |!|U to |!|Q > Great, this works a treat. I've made one for double and one for single quotes. Thanks! -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:25:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51773 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:25:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917227396:20:20315:16; Mon, 25 Jan 99 01:23:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020198; 25 Jan 99 1:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA25305 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:35:04 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25288 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:34:19 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 104Z4C-0005tP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:35:44 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:27:43 GMT Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:17:08 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14628fc848%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <14628fc848%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Wed 20 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > > > Could you let me know the way of subscribing to PD list. I thought I had > > done some time ago but obviously the instructions I followed were wrong. > > I kept the details stored away for such a day as this. Here they are > from > the maintainer of the list: > > As list maintainer for the Photodesk mailing list, I will try to clear up > some of the issues discussed in this thread... > > Firstly, subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be directed to: > > photodesk-users-request@reading.ac.uk > > with Subject: subscribe|unsubscribe > > After subscribing, you should receive an automatic response viz: > > You have added to the subscriber list of: > photodesk-users@csres.cs.reading.ac.uk > the following mail address: > > > Submissions to the list should now be sent to: > > photodesk-users@reading.ac.uk > > Note that photodesk-users@csres.cs.reading.ac.uk is an alias for > photodesk-users@reading.ac.uk, although submissions to either address > should work. > > If you have any specific queries about subscribing (e.g. you have > received notification of subscription but have not received any list > messages) then please get in touch with me directly. > > Best wishes, > James Ferryman. > > J.M.Ferryman@reading.ac.uk > > >In message <4807c4679cri.scott@argonet.co.uk> > > Ian Scott wrote: > > >> In article <48077E54A1%mtillman@argonet.co.uk>, > >> Martin Tillman wrote: > >> > Clearly the address to post to is and > >> > the posts I've received have used that address. > > > >> OK .... I tried that one last night ... and very promptly got a returned > >> mail receipt!!! Aargh!!!! > > >Because you're not subscribed, no doubt! [1] > > >> The message is below ...can anyone tell me anything from it? > > >Not me :-( > > >> Just a thought, should SUBSCRIBE be in the Subject of the mailing, or the > >> body of it? > > >Try both... > > >[1] However, your posts to the list did get through! > > >It would be sensible if the details of how to join the list etc. were held > >somewhere obvious and easily accessible - what about Spacetech's main > >PhotoDesk page?! > > >I'm just about to compose a mail to the list maintainer... > > >-- > >m. > -- Apologies for sending the last part of this, I didn't realise I had included it. It was from a newsgroup, so not exactly private. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:25:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51784 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:25:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917271484:20:13359:34; Mon, 25 Jan 99 13:38:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012698; 25 Jan 99 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA26711 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:01:17 GMT Received: from black.xemplar.co.uk (black.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA26700 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:00:48 GMT Received: from xn064.xemplar.co.uk (xn064.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.64]) by black.xemplar.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA03163 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:42:20 GMT Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:00:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Hobbs Subject: OP on NCs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Xemplar Education Ltd X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I guess this one is probably for David to answer... Ovation Pro requires SpriteUtils (see !Run) but despite the fact that all versions of RISC OS 3.1 and later have the SpriteUtils module the NCs don't. Consequently NC users can't use OP. >From talking to colleagues it would seem that modern RISC OS apps should not require this module. How does OP use it? Is it really necessary? Can we just comment out the RMEnsure? Thanks, -- Mike Hobbs Xemplar Education Ltd Tel: 44 (0)1223 724266 The Quorum, Barnwell Road Fax: 44 (0)1223 724324 Cambridge, CB5 8RE. WWW: http://www.xemplar.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:26:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51791 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:26:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917288526:10:13052:23; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:22:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118479; 25 Jan 99 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27450 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:56:20 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27445 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:56:03 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13565 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:56:12 GMT Message-ID: <36ACB036.72C69415@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:56:06 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: error messages References: <88783@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I had the same error message "Applets.!Ovation1.Specific > >not found" a few upgrades agow (4 meg A3010,320 Meg HD). I tried reinstalling No effect. When I upgraded again It went away. I did post a an inquiry to this group at the time. David Pilling wrote: > > >1. error; multiple definition at line 19 in Ov.Pro.Applets > >!InstExpand.Library.!RJETLib > > Rupert Thompsons applets come with an installer program, you > run that from outside OPro and it installs the applet inside OPro. > > What you've done wrong is to stick the installer inside the > applets directory where it will get run everytime you run OPro. > So I think you end up with the applet installed and then the > code is run again from inside the installer. > > Possibly deleteing the installer from the Applets directory will > be enough to fix this. > > >4. after all these messages I get Applets.!Ovation1.Specific > >not found. > > Ah most interesting. The Ovation1 applet is needed to load > old Ovation 1.XX files. If you never had O1 you can remove it. > > I have heard of this error before, and my reaction then was > that !Ovation1 never referenced a file called 'specific'. > > Now I'd be inclined to suggest that the goings on with the > Installers have corrupted the O1 applet. - Reinstall. > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=01426-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2711, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 21:00:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51808 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 21:00:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917290782:10:11985:15; Mon, 25 Jan 99 18:59:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129957; 25 Jan 99 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27635 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:36:20 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.36]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27630 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:36:04 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 104qrr-0005vk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:36:12 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:46:56 GMT Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:46:48 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e484c848%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <1e484c848%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> you wrote: > With respect to... > > not seeing the problem in Photodesk... > not seeing the problem in deep colour screen modes > seeing the problem in shallow (256 colour?) screen modes > not seeing the problem when printed on an ink jet > > Photodesk is _extrememly_ good at displaying full colour images in 256 colour > screen modes to the point that it makes everything else look awful. > > I wonder if the problem might be a combination of... > > ...colour gradients appearing as what you called 'banding'. If are they > straight and horizontal this is what is normally meant by banding -- often > the result of a blocked ink-jet print head. If the bands follow the contours > of the picture this is known more commonly as quantisistation. It included both horizontal and contour using millions of colours but my display was set to 32,000 colours. > > ...aliasing mentioned before producing the chequerboard effect. > > > [ If I've guessed wrong at this point, the rest will not be of help, > but if you read it anyway don't let it confuse you! ] > > > > I gather these are two different effects your are seeing. The 'banding' one > might go away when printed using and inkjet which is able to render a larger > number of intermediate colours than you have on your screen. This would > explain why it goes away when you look at it in deeper colour screen modes. > > As for the JPEG, are you saving it as a JPEG from Photodesk? Yes > Do you have the > 'Quality' setting to something like 85%, which is it's default? What quality setting is that? Oh you mean the saving quality. No it's set high. > Lower quality > settings will produce a chequerboard effect without any help from the > displaying application. > > If you have access to David Pilling's scanning software, No, I don't have this. > try looking at some of your pictures in > that: you can turn the 'Dithering' on and off. If the picture looks _much_ > better (contoured banding effect goes away) with the dithering on (in 256 > colour modes) then that is probably a good thing for when you get it printed > professionally -- it could mean the image is rich in colour tones and will > make good use of the professional printing process! > > Scaling an image with this contoured banding effect will have no effect on > how it looks. > I created the image all over again at A3 size and the same effect is still there but I don't think it is going to print out. Anyway I'll know in a few days when I get the prints back at A5 and A3. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 22:04:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51833 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 22:04:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917299497:10:12327:65; Mon, 25 Jan 99 21:24:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012072; 25 Jan 99 21:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA27959 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:04:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27949 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:03:44 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 104tAo-0005u8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:03:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 99 20:57:43 GMT Message-Id: <51806@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab Settings X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I do this, nothing happens. I am using version 2.51. > >Does anyone know if this is a deliberate change from Ovation? >(Telephone book down trousers)... I used to do this in Ovation and as far as >I can recall, it worked up to 2.46? of OvationPro. It shouldn't have changed within OPro. To the extent I understand what you're trying to do I'm surprised it doesn't work. With effects and styles there is always room for things to not work just as you expect. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 22:04:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51834 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 22:04:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917300214:10:21677:29; Mon, 25 Jan 99 21:36:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121574; 25 Jan 99 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA27955 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:04:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27940 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:03:38 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 104tAj-0005u8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:03:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 99 20:49:31 GMT Message-Id: <51802@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP on NCs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Ovation Pro requires SpriteUtils (see !Run) but despite the fact >Consequently NC users can't use OP. >From talking to colleagues it would seem that modern RISC OS >apps should not require this module. How does OP use it? Is it >really necessary? Can we just comment out the RMEnsure? Yes, just comment out the RMEnsure. I have encountererd several NC users, and they've done this and then succesfully used OPro. The command is inherited from the old Ovation program. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 22:04:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51835 for opro ; Mon, 25 Jan 99 22:04:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917300699:10:28308:17; Mon, 25 Jan 99 21:44:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105002; 25 Jan 99 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA27958 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:04:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27945 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:03:42 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 104tAn-0005u8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:03:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 99 20:52:29 GMT Message-Id: <51804@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> In David Pilling's scanning software you select the magnify tool and click on the 'rational' >> button. Photodesk works in a similar way. >Yes, I understand this, but I was thinking about OP. Is it possible to >do in OP? No. As I see it the point is, does the image have real distortion or is what you are seeing just an artifact. The above suggested test with David Pilling's scanning software will answer that question. If the effects are just artifacts, you have to live with them. They won't appear on the printer. The only solution would be for OPro to scale things itself, rather than using RISC OS. Whilst I could add such code it would take substantial effort and require either lots of memory or processor power. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 01:46:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51852 for opro ; Tue, 26 Jan 99 01:46:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917304906:20:24787:476; Mon, 25 Jan 99 22:55:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023145; 25 Jan 99 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA28338 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:50:41 GMT Received: from wiggum.tinet.ie (wiggum.tinet.ie [159.134.237.72]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28331 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:50:26 GMT Received: from [159.134.225.19] (helo=default) by wiggum.tinet.ie with smtp (Exim 2.05 #20) id 104ttz-0008HU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:50:36 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01be48ac$ac93e160$13e1869f@default> From: "Coulter" To: "Ovation mail list" Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper size from newsreader@wcaco Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:47:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anybody else getting multiple copies of mail with the above subject ?? -- Iain Coulter -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 01:47:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51857 for opro ; Tue, 26 Jan 99 01:47:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917306611:20:11076:346; Mon, 25 Jan 99 23:23:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124691; 25 Jan 99 23:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA28499 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:41:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA28494 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:41:19 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.196) [194.69.101.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 104uhF-00050s-00; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:41:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rey Cobham To: "Ovation mail list" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:29:59 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ca275235foxy@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Re: Tolerance on paper size from newsreader@wcaco In-Reply-To: <001b01be48ac$ac93e160$13e1869f@default> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <001b01be48ac$ac93e160$13e1869f@default>, Coulter wrote: > Anybody else getting multiple copies of mail with the above subject ? Erm. No. Not me. I know we're not s'posed to type 'Me too's but this is definitely not a Me too. Without a shadow of a doubt. So there. ;o) TTFN Rey -- The Dark Lord Of All is awaiting his sig. file Web-Site: TBA Real Soon E-Mail: foxy@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 01:47:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51858 for opro ; Tue, 26 Jan 99 01:47:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917307891:20:24749:15; Mon, 25 Jan 99 23:44:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024729; 25 Jan 99 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA28603 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:13:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA28597 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:13:41 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.1) [193.149.72.1] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 104vCa-0005pZ-00; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:13:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 25 Jan 99 23:10:48 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just to let people know I have half finished a program that takes either a font and text or a drawfile and converts the text (or paths in the drawfile) to an OP frame of the same shape. This allows effects such as a 'word' shaped frame containing a picture (including the relevant holes) or a text frame the shape of a draw object. This is based on a suggestion posted on the list late last year. I only have to write the front end user interface part of the program now. Before I finish it has anybody got any suggestions/wants needs that fall into this type of program that I can add in? If nobody posts any changes then hopefully a suitable front end will be made available soon. So after this applet has anyone else got any burning needs that need to be converted to 'hard' applet?! Regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 14:00:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51883 for opro ; Tue, 26 Jan 99 14:00:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917345555:20:24386:24; Tue, 26 Jan 99 10:12:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117246; 26 Jan 99 10:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA29042 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:54:01 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29037 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:53:42 GMT Received: from modem-106.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.234] helo=wallace) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 1054Fy-0004zN-00; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:53:59 +0000 Message-ID: <006901be4909$4c963bc0$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:53:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just to let people know I have half finished a program that takes either a font >and text or a drawfile and converts the text (or paths in the drawfile) to an >OP frame of the same shape. This allows effects such as a 'word' shaped frame >containing a picture (including the relevant holes) or a text frame the shape >of a draw object. This is based on a suggestion posted on the list late last >year. Cor, nifty! I don't know what other people think, but how about being able to scale the drawfile before (or even after) creating the frame. For new applet ideas, I'm sure I've seen requested before the ability to scale text to fit a frame. Was somebody else looking at this. I know the idea scared me off! Equally scaling frames with contents would be *very* handy... Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit and: research student in physics, university of warwick, coventry cv4 7al mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 14:01:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51890 for opro ; Tue, 26 Jan 99 14:01:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917355581:20:03920:19; Tue, 26 Jan 99 12:59:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003721; 26 Jan 99 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA29718 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:31:48 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA29713 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:31:22 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 1057ee-0006Tq-00; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:31:40 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 1057ed-0000SY-00; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:31:39 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:31:39 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B2632EB4F@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:31:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Great!, Sounds very useful. How about an applet that will take an (iregualr?) frame of text and allow resizing of the frame AND all text inside so that everything stays relativley the same size to each other? Possible, or would there be descrepancies with the font manager sizes etc.? Thanks, Peter Reeves-Hall > -----Original Message----- > From: davidb@argonet.co.uk [SMTP > Sent: 25 January 1999 23:11 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame > > Just to let people know I have half finished a program that takes either a > font > and text or a drawfile and converts the text (or paths in the drawfile) to > an > OP frame of the same shape. This allows effects such as a 'word' shaped > frame > containing a picture (including the relevant holes) or a text frame the > shape > of a draw object. This is based on a suggestion posted on the list late > last > year. > > I only have to write the front end user interface part of the program now. > Before I finish it has anybody got any suggestions/wants needs that fall > into > this type of program that I can add in? > > If nobody posts any changes then hopefully a suitable front end will be > made > available soon. So after this applet has anyone else got any burning needs > that > need to be converted to 'hard' applet?! > > Regards > > David > -- > --. --. --. --. : : --- --- > .---------------------------------------------. > |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC > machines| > | | |\ | | | | |\| | | > '---------------------------------------------' > | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 17:09:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51911 for opro ; Tue, 26 Jan 99 17:09:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917362483:10:23632:15; Tue, 26 Jan 99 14:54:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022615; 26 Jan 99 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA29963 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:22:55 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29958 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:22:20 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv52-74.Eindhoven.NL.net [212.136.42.74] with SMTP for id PAA29986 (8.8.8/1.10); Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:22:35 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:55:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 25 Jan, Mr Breakwell wrote: > Just to let people know I have half finished a program that takes either a font > and text or a drawfile and converts the text (or paths in the drawfile) to an > OP frame of the same shape. This allows effects such as a 'word' shaped frame > containing a picture (including the relevant holes) or a text frame the shape > of a draw object. This is based on a suggestion posted on the list late last > year. Something I never dared to ask and to be honestly I always thought existed already but I might be to thick to find it. Thank you! Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net The point will never be metric. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 22:11:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51951 for opro ; Tue, 26 Jan 99 22:11:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917387691:20:19603:36; Tue, 26 Jan 99 21:54:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019576; 26 Jan 99 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA31071 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:41:16 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA31066 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:41:04 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105GEe-0004y1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:41:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:22:28 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Ctrl X wierdo To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OK OK. What is wrong now? I am using OP 2.51 and recently using crtl x to cut does nothing. The highlighted text sinply sits there looking... black and highlighted. Some other oddities too- using ctrl c does not always copy a new frame, but remembers that last one when pasting. N E I Ds? -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 22:12:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51953 for opro ; Tue, 26 Jan 99 22:12:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917384356:10:07010:15; Tue, 26 Jan 99 20:59:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108899; 26 Jan 99 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA30813 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:40:24 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA30806 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:39:53 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105FHU-0006WS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:40:16 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:40:55 GMT Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:46:15 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images appearing as low res Message-ID: <44cc33ca48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51804@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <51804@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >> In David Pilling's scanning software you select the magnify tool and click on the 'rational' > >> button. Photodesk works in a similar way. > > >Yes, I understand this, but I was thinking about OP. Is it possible to > >do in OP? > > > No. > > As I see it the point is, does the image have real distortion or > is what you are seeing just an artifact. The above suggested test > with David Pilling's scanning software will answer that question. > > If the effects are just artifacts, you have to live with them. They won't > appear on the printer. I'll let you know how they print when they come back. I'm not expecting the effect to print. > > The only solution would be for OPro to scale things itself, rather than > using RISC OS. Whilst I could add such code it would take substantial effort > and require either lots of memory or processor power. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 22:12:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51954 for opro ; Tue, 26 Jan 99 22:12:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917384657:10:11619:25; Tue, 26 Jan 99 21:04:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010958; 26 Jan 99 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA30811 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:40:14 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA30801 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:39:46 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105FHM-0006VJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:40:09 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:41:15 GMT Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:41:08 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Message-ID: <325433ca48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Just to let people know I have half finished a program that takes either a font > and text or a drawfile and converts the text (or paths in the drawfile) to an > OP frame of the same shape. This allows effects such as a 'word' shaped frame > containing a picture (including the relevant holes) or a text frame the shape > of a draw object. This is based on a suggestion posted on the list late last > year. > > I only have to write the front end user interface part of the program now. > Before I finish it has anybody got any suggestions/wants needs that fall into > this type of program that I can add in? > > If nobody posts any changes then hopefully a suitable front end will be made > available soon. So after this applet has anyone else got any burning needs that > need to be converted to 'hard' applet?! Well not having a clue whether such a thing is possible via an applet, I would love to be able to do what is possible in Quark Xpress, namely, draw an irregular line in OP and then with the line selected begin to type text. The text starts at the beginning of the line and follows the path of the line. The line can be edited to bend and curve the text into any shape. The line can be made invisible. Doing this via Artworks and importing etc, is a pain when you are trying to get a line of text to go around a set of objects. I should imagine this is very difficult to achieve, but I can only ask. Thanks for the offer. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 22:38:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51958 for opro ; Tue, 26 Jan 99 22:38:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917389632:20:25142:15; Tue, 26 Jan 99 22:27:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111071; 26 Jan 99 22:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA31203 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:10:13 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA31198 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:09:58 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.47]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA25649 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:02:16 +0000 Message-ID: <36AEAE49.5B42@net.ntl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:12:25 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ctrl X wierdo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro P Hutton wrote: > > OK OK. > > What is wrong now? > > I am using OP 2.51 and recently using crtl x to cut does nothing. The > highlighted text sinply sits there looking... black and highlighted. Some > other oddities too- using ctrl c does not always copy a new frame, but > remembers that last one when pasting. > > N E I Ds? > > -- I've also noticed a funny with Ctrl-V I think since 2.51, in that I get prompted as if I were saving over an existing file as well. Haven't managed to get round to disabling applets etc to get to the bottom of it. As usual (at least that's what our customers say when they have a problem), I'm sure I haven't changed anything!!!! -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 14:04:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51971 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 14:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917433184:20:08130:41; Wed, 27 Jan 99 10:33:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007525; 27 Jan 99 10:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA32510 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:08:58 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA32505 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:08:43 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv52-3.Eindhoven.NL.net [212.136.42.3] with SMTP for id LAA17550 (8.8.8/1.10); Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:09:06 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:26:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Going metric To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <006901be4909$4c963bc0$ab356d01@wallace> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Would it be possible to extend the choices menu for fontsize with the mm unit and save that as the preferred unit? It wouldn't comply with the new metric proposals for font measurement but at least give us a choice like one has in Impression Publisher. There's some information about the new German draft standard DIN 16507-2 at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/metric-typo.html The actual size used then is the baseline height called Font Size, the letter height of the H for example in mm is called the Font Height which is approx. 72% of the baseline height. The translation from German makes it a bit more confusing than was necessary though. It will be more difficult to incorporate that in Ovation Pro but it is IMO a better system in general. This isn't meant to become a thread on the nice aspects of the different unit systems but for us on the continent (and I gather Japan, any users there? :-)) Ovation Pro should have more metric aspects. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net The point will never be metric. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 14:05:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51974 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 14:05:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917439931:20:29195:31; Wed, 27 Jan 99 12:25:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104260; 27 Jan 99 12:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA32752 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:04:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA32747 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:04:42 GMT Received: from (193.149.93.41) [193.149.93.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 105Tib-0007jQ-00; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:05:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:37:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48caedcc46jmgray@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Deleting Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am editing a longish text in which a number of words, phrases and paragraphs have been highlighted by changing their background to a light grey. Is it possible to delete all these in one go? Thanks for any advice, Jeremy -- Jeremy Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 14:05:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51976 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 14:05:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917425178:10:02823:15; Wed, 27 Jan 99 08:19:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002771; 27 Jan 99 8:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA31872 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:05:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA31867 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:04:50 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.57) [193.149.73.57] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 105PyQ-00042K-00; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:05:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:04:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cadfcba6sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mr Breakwell wrote: > If nobody posts any changes then hopefully a suitable front end will be > made available soon. So after this applet has anyone else got any burning > needs that need to be converted to 'hard' applet?! Many thanks for another very useful applet. Now if there ever was a chance of having a good bullet list applet it would be great. You know - one that will reorder a numbered list if an item was removed and could have configureable bullets ... :) Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 14:05:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51978 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 14:05:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917429591:10:10466:28; Wed, 27 Jan 99 09:33:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103669; 27 Jan 99 9:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA32138 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:17:57 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA32132 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:17:44 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.11 #2) id 105R6z-0002Pe-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:18:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:19:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <48cadfcba6sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 27 Jan, Steve White wrote: > Now if there ever was a chance of having a good bullet list applet it would > be great. You know - one that will reorder a numbered list if an item was > removed and could have configureable bullets ... :) This is something I've had in mind to do for a while, though work has meant I haven't had the time. I actually have planned a project that's a little grander - I want to be able to have automatically numbered streams of *anything*, so as to be able to number pictures, maps, equations, examples, etc., as well as just bulleted lists. The theory is quite straightforward - the my EndNotes applet manages this sort of thing quite easily, after all. The replacement bookmark manager I released with EndNotes 3 was designed to help by being able to "hide" the bookmarks that the streams applet would use; and the XRef applet was made more complicated than it might have been so as to be able to provide lots of necessary support - the streams applet should be able to have cross-references made to its objects tracked automagically by XRef. Incidentally, I'm just testing new versions of !THe (now handles expansion of hyphens into dashes, smart quotes, and has a "put quotes round this block of text" facility) and EndNotes (there's a slight bug in the existing version which uses the tagged data manager wrong - it's not threatening, but needed fixing before someone else made the same mistake!) Will make an announcement when they're ready. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 17:56:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51992 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 17:56:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917458675:20:09705:16; Wed, 27 Jan 99 17:37:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117029; 27 Jan 99 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA00417 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:59:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA00412 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:58:51 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.143) [194.69.101.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 105YJH-0005o9-00; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:59:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Levens Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:52:55 +0000 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: HTMLPro v1.201 and new Website Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Our software website is now fully operational, and even up to date! It has been created entirely with OvationPro and converted using HTMLPro, our Internet conversion software for Ovation Pro. The Levens Software website is located at http://www.levens.co.uk/software Or you can go straight to the HTMLPro section at http://www.levens.co.uk/software/html.htm The site also features details of products in the Pipeline (An applet for OvationPro to allow embedding of links with text, along with Site support!) and will soon have some of our smaller OvationPro applets uploaded, for you to download, free. HTMLPro ======= HTMLPro, our flagship piece of software, is now up to version 1.201. It contains better stability over versions 1.08x and 1.05. Artworks support will be added by the middle of February! Full details can be found on the above website. -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 20:38:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52005 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 20:38:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917463322:20:16342:25; Wed, 27 Jan 99 18:55:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115988; 27 Jan 99 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00639 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:35:04 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00634 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:34:48 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-47.access.ch [195.112.73.47]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id TAA25562 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:35:13 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:29:18 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Tab Settings To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <51806@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 25 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I do this, nothing happens. I am using version 2.51. > > >Does anyone know if this is a deliberate change from Ovation? snip > It shouldn't have changed within OPro. To the extent I understand > what you're trying to do I'm surprised it doesn't work. With effects > and styles there is always room for things to not work just as you expect. It does happen at times. But that also depends on what other programs you have multi-tasking at the same time. Multi-tasking as we Acorn Users know is special, but at times some clashes can occur. And another program takes priority over certain instructions. The solution for this problem is easy. Once you have opened the Tab settings window, move one of the tabs a little bit and then back to its original setting. Click OK. That will solve your problem. -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 20:38:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52007 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 20:38:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917464799:10:19591:16; Wed, 27 Jan 99 19:19:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019247; 27 Jan 99 19:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00591 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:10:45 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA00582 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:10:16 GMT Received: (qmail 23686 invoked from network); 27 Jan 1999 18:10:50 -0000 Received: from 66-166.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.166) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 1999 18:10:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:51:15 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Keep Style, colour and page palettes to front Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Again, I have _half_ an answer (ie: a description of the answer without the workings). Turning them off and on again brings them to the front. If this can be done as a script then a button or a key short cut could be defined to turn them all off then turn them all on again straight away, effectively bringin them all to the front. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 20:38:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52006 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 20:38:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917463410:20:17691:18; Wed, 27 Jan 99 18:56:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118612; 27 Jan 99 18:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00614 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:23:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00606 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:23:18 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105Zd1-0003mX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:23:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 99 18:14:59 GMT Message-Id: <51998@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: new on my web site X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I've done a new version of my desktop calendar program. It will now export calendars as Draw files or text. Which (tenuous link) should be just the thing for DTP'ing, available from the free software section below. There is also a MS CAB archive file module for SparkFS 1.33, software upgrades. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 20:38:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52008 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 20:38:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917464810:10:19803:15; Wed, 27 Jan 99 19:20:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123972; 27 Jan 99 19:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00590 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:10:44 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA00578 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:10:11 GMT Received: (qmail 23675 invoked from network); 27 Jan 1999 18:10:43 -0000 Received: from 66-166.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.166) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 1999 18:10:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:44:15 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Image resolution information Message-ID: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've got another Applet feature request to throw into the frey... Impression has a feature whereby an info window about a graphic would indicate the resolution at which the image would be printed taking into account (I think)... The original resolution of the image The scaling of the image in the frame The scaling of the document set in the print dialogue The info dialogue in question would simply say "120 dpi" for example, for a large image scaled small. If you knew your printer had a line ruling of 60 dpi or more you knew it would probably look OK without having to test it fist. There is a similar dialogue in OvationPro already, but it seems only to give the source resolution, not the effective output resolution of an image. Any takers? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 20:38:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52009 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 20:38:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917465038:20:10725:34; Wed, 27 Jan 99 19:23:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011051; 27 Jan 99 19:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00864 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:06:47 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00859 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:06:31 GMT Received: from [194.222.45.155] (helo=ilfprep) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105aIr-0001ma-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:07:05 +0000 From:(Ovation Pro) Organization: Ilford Preparatory School Message-ID: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ctrl X wierdo References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:00:38 GMT X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have had some strange experiences with ctrl keys. I don't think OP is to blame though. We have a networked version and I have noticed on one RPC, ctrl keys do not always work, but all the functions work from the menus. On other RPCs there is no problem, so maybe it is due an applet or other software interaction. --------------------------------------------------------------------- >From Terry Worton Ilford Preparatory School Email: sysadmin@ilfprep.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 20:38:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52010 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 20:38:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917465154:10:24171:17; Wed, 27 Jan 99 19:25:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103275; 27 Jan 99 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00615 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:23:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00602 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:23:16 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105Zd0-0003mX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:23:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 99 18:06:48 GMT Message-Id: <51996@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Going metric X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would it be possible to extend the choices menu for fontsize with the >mm unit and save that as the preferred unit? Find these two bits in the Library.!MenuLib file; usize=stringu(string_menu(size_handle,7),2); text=(entry==7 && tick) ? "" : ustring(usize,2); The '2' at the end is saying that the units are points. Changing it to a zero will give you mm. or for a really continental flavour 5 may produce didots. >There's some information about the new German draft standard Ones heart sinks. When civilisation arrives in the shape of standards it's time to move on west... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 20:38:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52011 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 20:38:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917465851:20:22610:24; Wed, 27 Jan 99 19:37:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129347; 27 Jan 99 19:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00721 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:47:14 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00715 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:46:53 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop7-22.access.ch [193.246.42.214]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id TAA01662 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:47:24 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:45:27 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <325433ca48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 26 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > In message you wrote: snip > Well not having a clue whether such a thing is possible via an > applet, I would love to be able to do what is possible in Quark Xpress, > namely, draw an irregular line in OP and then with the line selected > begin to type text. The text starts at the beginning of the line and > follows the path of the line. The line can be edited to bend and curve > the text into any shape. The line can be made invisible. Try FX6 or DWDesigner > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 20:38:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52012 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 20:38:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917467976:10:00514:16; Wed, 27 Jan 99 20:12:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122019; 27 Jan 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA01630 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:56:01 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01625 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:55:45 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105b4V-0007bT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:56:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:05:57 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Rearranging colour in picker To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all No doubt this has been covered before; thanks for all the helpful comments about how to save colours. I have now worked out how to do this (I plumped for the save as default option). Is there an easy way to rearrange the colours in the picker window now? This is mainly for school use. By the way, any luck with the tomorrow macro request? I presume the lack of response means you are still laughing at my C_D+1 effort. Ho hum. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 20:38:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52013 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 20:38:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917466447:20:01205:15; Wed, 27 Jan 99 19:47:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117429; 27 Jan 99 19:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00826 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:01:50 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00817 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:01:29 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.11 #2) id 105aDz-0000I1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:02:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:03:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: THe 1.75 To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA00818 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB00826 THe version 1.75 is available from my website. In addition to the existing features of THe the new version has the following: - (configurably) doesn't use fi and fl ligatures in italic fonts (some typesetters don't like them) =20 - replaces the smart quotes applet !Quotes - THe handles things like brackets properly which !Quotes didn't, and also gives easy access to the close-quote for abbreviations like =91tis. =20 - adds the "put quotes round this block of text" feature people have been talking about recently - automatically uses plain or smart quotes, and additionally Continental style =AB=BB =BB=AB =92=93 and =93= =92 style quoting. =20 - replaces -- by an en-rule and --- by an em-rule, and decreases back down to en-rule and hyphen when you do deletes (as it handles ligatures and ellipses). Can also replace hyphens between digits by en-rules, and hyphens between spaces by em-rules. =20 The one person who downloaded version 1.74 might like to take 1.75 instead - it does slightly more, and is more configurable. =20 --=20 Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52014 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917472441:10:25640:15; Wed, 27 Jan 99 21:27:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121894; 27 Jan 99 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01842 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:56:35 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01837 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:56:17 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-34.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.94]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02263 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:55:30 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:51:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Ctrl X wierdo To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <36AEAE49.5B42@net.ntl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 27 Jan, Pete Bready wrote: > Haven't > managed to get round to disabling applets etc to get to the bottom of > it. As usual (at least that's what our customers say when they have a > problem), I'm sure I haven't changed anything!!!! IdxPro was the culprit for me. The only thing I'd done with applets was drop in Nick's Marks and Expert to have a look at them. Take them out and the problem persists. So... Any thoughts David B? tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52015 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917471642:20:14610:22; Wed, 27 Jan 99 21:14:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110482; 27 Jan 99 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01815 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:42:00 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01797 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:41:14 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105bmX-0003el-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:41:49 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:40:49 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:35:18 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Message-ID: <6f7e24cb48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Incidentally, I'm just testing new versions of !THe (now handles > expansion of hyphens into dashes, smart quotes, and has a "put quotes > round this block of text" facility) and EndNotes (there's a slight bug > in the existing version which uses the tagged data manager wrong - it's > not threatening, but needed fixing before someone else made the same > mistake!) Will make an announcement when they're ready. Great work Rupert, thanks. All quiet on the !Transword front? -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52016 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917474537:10:22002:17; Wed, 27 Jan 99 22:02:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021905; 27 Jan 99 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01890 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:11:16 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01879 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:10:54 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.11 #2) id 105cFE-0002hM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:11:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:12:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <6f7e24cb48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > > Incidentally, I'm just testing new versions of !THe (now handles > > expansion of hyphens into dashes, smart quotes, and has a "put quotes > > round this block of text" facility) and EndNotes (there's a slight bug > > in the existing version which uses the tagged data manager wrong - it's > > not threatening, but needed fixing before someone else made the same > > mistake!) Will make an announcement when they're ready. > > Great work Rupert, thanks. > > All quiet on the !Transword front? Well, all has been quiet because I've been too busy to do anything really to it - what's left is all quite major stuff (pictures, frames, multiple font mappings; actually, that one isn't quite so major; and then tables and lists and footnotes, and all the other bits and pieces that it's going to be a pain to try to do); and my enthusiasm hasn't been helped by the vast majority of comments being "But it doesn't load Word 8 files." -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52017 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917473177:20:05774:15; Wed, 27 Jan 99 21:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123491; 27 Jan 99 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01818 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:42:25 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01803 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:41:28 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105bmj-0000zr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:42:01 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:42:31 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:38:53 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Keep Style, colour and page palettes to front Message-ID: <95d224cb48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Again, I have _half_ an answer (ie: a description of the answer without the > workings). > > Turning them off and on again brings them to the front. Yes, I do this currently. Not very ideal. > > If this can be done as a script then a button or a key short cut could be > defined to turn them all off then turn them all on again straight away, > effectively bringin them all to the front. This is a much better idea, though still not as good as them staying at the front like the info palette etc. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52019 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917474324:20:21413:17; Wed, 27 Jan 99 21:58:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021375; 27 Jan 99 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02090 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:34:23 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02081 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:33:45 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105cbN-00061f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:34:21 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:34:58 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:30:14 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Rearranging colour in picker Message-ID: <1e8629cb48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Dear all > > No doubt this has been covered before; thanks for all the helpful comments > about how to save colours. I have now worked out how to do this (I plumped > for the save as default option). Is there an easy way to rearrange the > colours in the picker window now? This is mainly for school use. > > By the way, any luck with the tomorrow macro request? I presume the lack > of response means you are still laughing at my C_D+1 effort. According to their web page, Levens Software seem to be thinking about it. I think they were going to make it freely available if they do it. I'm sure they'll correct me if I'm wrong. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52018 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917475616:10:06099:19; Wed, 27 Jan 99 22:20:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005959; 27 Jan 99 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02088 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:34:17 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02077 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:33:42 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105cbJ-0003Lg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:34:18 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:34:52 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:27:14 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Going metric Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51996@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <51996@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >Would it be possible to extend the choices menu for fontsize with the > >mm unit and save that as the preferred unit? > > Find these two bits in the Library.!MenuLib file; > > usize=stringu(string_menu(size_handle,7),2); > > text=(entry==7 && tick) ? "" : ustring(usize,2); > > > The '2' at the end is saying that the units are points. > > Changing it to a zero will give you mm. But can you have both points and mm? > or for a really continental > flavour 5 may produce didots. > > > >There's some information about the new German draft standard > > Ones heart sinks. When civilisation arrives in the shape of standards it's > time to move on west... > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52020 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917474358:20:22047:31; Wed, 27 Jan 99 21:59:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021974; 27 Jan 99 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02208 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:48:03 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02203 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:47:50 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv52-67.Eindhoven.NL.net [212.136.42.67] with SMTP for id WAA22585 (8.8.8/1.10); Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:48:20 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:14:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Going metric To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <51996@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 27 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >Would it be possible to extend the choices menu for fontsize with the > >mm unit and save that as the preferred unit? > > Find these two bits in the Library.!MenuLib file; > > usize=stringu(string_menu(size_handle,7),2); > > text=(entry==7 && tick) ? "" : ustring(usize,2); > > > The '2' at the end is saying that the units are points. > > Changing it to a zero will give you mm. or for a really continental > flavour 5 may produce didots. Thank you, didot is more or less history now though. > >There's some information about the new German draft standard > > Ones heart sinks. When civilisation arrives in the shape of standards it's > time to move on west... That is correct, there are no standards nor ensigns in the US. For typography I prefer a standard though, and one that is based on the same units as my papersizes are based on. And not what IBM decided the pica point should be; 1/72 of an inch. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net The point will never be metric. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52023 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917475917:10:10638:20; Wed, 27 Jan 99 22:25:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125698; 27 Jan 99 22:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02075 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:33:34 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02070 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:33:22 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105caz-0005yL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:33:58 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:24:42 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:24:34 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Message-ID: <65129cb48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue 26 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > snip > > > Well not having a clue whether such a thing is possible via an > > applet, I would love to be able to do what is possible in Quark Xpress, > > namely, draw an irregular line in OP and then with the line selected > > begin to type text. The text starts at the beginning of the line and > > follows the path of the line. The line can be edited to bend and curve > > the text into any shape. The line can be made invisible. > > Try FX6 or DWDesigner Never heard of them. But even so, they will be apps that do the job outside OP whose files are then imported. I can do this with Artworks. I want to be able to do the job inside OP so that I can run the text around text blocks and graphics. Are the apps you mention commercial or PD/SW? > > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. > > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? I used to have 21. The times they are a changin' Let's hope, with the recent announcement about RiscOS Ltd, that the figure rises. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52022 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917474764:20:27645:17; Wed, 27 Jan 99 22:06:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027345; 27 Jan 99 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01819 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:42:25 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01807 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:41:33 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105bmm-00010p-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:42:05 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:42:42 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:41:13 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image resolution information Message-ID: <40925cb48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > I've got another Applet feature request to throw into the frey... > > Impression has a feature whereby an info window about a graphic would > indicate the resolution at which the image would be printed taking into > account (I think)... > > The original resolution of the image > The scaling of the image in the frame > The scaling of the document set in the print dialogue > > The info dialogue in question would simply say "120 dpi" for example, for a > large image scaled small. If you knew your printer had a line ruling of 60 > dpi or more you knew it would probably look OK without having to test it > fist. > > There is a similar dialogue in OvationPro already, but it seems only to give > the source resolution, not the effective output resolution of an image. > Now that's an excellent idea. I didn't know Impression did this. > > Any takers? -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52024 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917475765:20:12430:25; Wed, 27 Jan 99 22:22:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106194; 27 Jan 99 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01811 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:41:48 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01793 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:41:09 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105bmR-0000wN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:41:43 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:15:29 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:05:04 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: HTMLPro v1.201 and new Website Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Our software website is now fully operational, and even up to date! > > It has been created entirely with OvationPro and converted using HTMLPro, our > Internet conversion software for Ovation Pro. > > The Levens Software website is located at > http://www.levens.co.uk/software > > Or you can go straight to the HTMLPro section at > http://www.levens.co.uk/software/html.htm > > The site also features details of products in the Pipeline (An applet for > OvationPro to allow embedding of links with text, along with Site support!) and > will soon have some of our smaller OvationPro applets uploaded, for you to > download, free. > > > HTMLPro > ======= > HTMLPro, our flagship piece of software, is now up to version 1.201. It > contains better stability over versions 1.08x and 1.05. Artworks support will > be added by the middle of February! > > Full details can be found on the above website. > Could you please post (again?) full details of what is possible with HTMLPro. What are it's limitations? For example, I'm sure I can't do just any design and expect HTMLPro to be able to convert it faithfully in all details. If I drop in a graphic will a link be created to it if that's what I want, etc. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:08:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52026 for opro ; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:08:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917477787:20:09640:16; Wed, 27 Jan 99 22:56:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100455; 27 Jan 99 22:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA02965 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:35:03 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02960 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:34:47 GMT Received: from [158.152.185.75] (helo=nthom.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105dYR-00077p-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:35:23 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by nthom.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:34:23 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:30:29 +0000 From: Norman Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ctrl X wierdo Message-ID: <48CB2F0A4E%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Paul Hutton wrote > I am using OP 2.51 and recently using crtl x to cut does nothing. The > highlighted text sinply sits there looking... black and highlighted. > Have you downloaded the otherwise excellent upgrade of Index Pro by Mr Breakwell? That produces that effect if you have the applet switched on. -- Norman Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 01:45:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52028 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 01:45:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917479585:20:04431:25; Wed, 27 Jan 99 23:26:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004408; 27 Jan 99 23:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03007 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:46:55 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02999 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:46:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105djv-0000Ow-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:47:15 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:47:56 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:47:49 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Message-ID: <3ca030cb48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > Incidentally, I'm just testing new versions of !THe (now handles > > > expansion of hyphens into dashes, smart quotes, and has a "put quotes > > > round this block of text" facility) and EndNotes (there's a slight bug > > > in the existing version which uses the tagged data manager wrong - it's > > > not threatening, but needed fixing before someone else made the same > > > mistake!) Will make an announcement when they're ready. > > > > Great work Rupert, thanks. > > > > All quiet on the !Transword front? > > Well, all has been quiet because I've been too busy to do anything > really to it - what's left is all quite major stuff (pictures, frames, > multiple font mappings; actually, that one isn't quite so major; and > then tables and lists and footnotes, and all the other bits and pieces > that it's going to be a pain to try to do); and my enthusiasm hasn't > been helped by the vast majority of comments being "But it doesn't load > Word 8 files." That's a tricky one. The bloody thing won't stand still long enough to shoot. I really do think, though, that if you produced it and kept it up-to-date, you could have yourself a nice little earner. Seriously. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 01:45:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52032 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 01:45:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917482721:20:14027:19; Thu, 28 Jan 99 00:18:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013898; 28 Jan 99 0:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA03426 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:02:25 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03408 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:02:02 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.102.171]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAB18525 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:07:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:39:53 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Tab Settings To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 27 Jan, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Mon 25 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > >I do this, nothing happens. I am using version 2.51. > > > >Does anyone know if this is a deliberate change from Ovation? > > snip > > > It shouldn't have changed within OPro. To the extent I understand > > what you're trying to do I'm surprised it doesn't work. With effects > > and styles there is always room for things to not work just as you expect. > > It does happen at times. But that also depends on what other programs you > have multi-tasking at the same time. Multi-tasking as we Acorn Users know is > special, but at times some clashes can occur. And another program takes > priority over certain instructions. > > The solution for this problem is easy. Once you have opened the Tab settings > window, move one of the tabs a little bit and then back to its original > setting. Click OK. That will solve your problem. > > I am grateful for this and I am sure David Pilling will see as well. I sent David a couple of specimen documents to illustrate the problem. I usually multi task !Thesaurus, !Flasher, !Eureka, !Ovation and !OvationPro and !Printers of course, cannot see a culprit amongst these but someone may know better. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 01:45:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52033 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 01:45:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917482962:10:02783:15; Thu, 28 Jan 99 00:22:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002669; 28 Jan 99 0:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA03224 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:26:09 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03212 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:25:45 GMT Received: from [158.152.143.174] (helo=davbros.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105eLl-0003Bu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:26:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:38:37 +0000 (GMT) From: David Broster Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame To: OvationPro In-Reply-To: <65129cb48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Rev David Broster, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. > > > > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? > > I used to have 21. The times they are a changin' > Let's hope, with the recent announcement about RiscOS Ltd, that the > figure rises. I'm sure you havn't included me - so it must be 10! -- from David Broster E-mail to mrb@davbros.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 13:37:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52041 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 13:37:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917510620:20:12077:27; Thu, 28 Jan 99 08:03:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011758; 28 Jan 99 8:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA03997 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:46:32 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA03992 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:46:11 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p43-max3.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.242.171]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA1 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:40:04 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id HAB03997 On Thu 28 Jan, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Tue 26 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: >=20 > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. >=20 > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? >=20 > Greetings > JohnvV >=20 I just think Alan must be counting backwards, more than 20 of us in out local town Users club..... --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 13:37:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52045 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 13:37:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917522434:20:11415:16; Thu, 28 Jan 99 11:20:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106933; 28 Jan 99 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04187 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:00:56 GMT Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA04176 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:00:32 GMT Received: from darprint.btinternet.com [195.99.53.188] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 105pCB-0006Yy-00; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:01:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:37:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cb7196efdarprint@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Going metric In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ernst Dinkla wrote: > For typography I prefer a standard though, and one that is based on the > same units as my papersizes are based on. > And not what IBM decided the pica point should be; 1/72 of an inch. I make no apologies for quoting the following history of point sizes, just in case anyone thinks that *IBM* decided that the pica should be 1/72 of an inch. Hope it is of interest. "For many years, little or no attempt was made to standardize the body sizes of types, and typefounders cast types to sizes based on their own dimensions. In 1737, however, Pierre Simon Fournier, a Parisian typefounder, introduced a system for casting types to multiples of a fixed unit of measurement. Taking approximately 2in. of the pre-metric French foot, he divided them into one hundred and forty-four equal parts which he termed points. The Fournier point measured .0137 English inch and differs only slightly from the base unit of the present point system. After the death of Fournier, another French typefounder, named Francois Ambrose Didot, advocated that Fournier's system should be based upon the legal foot measure of France. The Didot point measures .0148 English inch, and the cicero-the Didot system equivalent of our pica-measures .1776 inch. Didot rejected the old names of type bodies and gave to each a numerical name. His system is used in many continental countries. Various other and later developments towards discarding the old names and substituting numerical or geometrical progression followed, but such systems failed to meet general acceptance. What was desired-a system common to all English-speaking peoples-seemed to be impossible on account of vested interests amongst typefounders and even printers themselves. But in 1871, the great fire of Chicago destroyed the type foundries of Marder, Luse & Co., and reconstruction provided a bold opportunity for scrapping old methods. Instead of formulating an entirely new system in accordance with the metric system, it was decided to take as the standard, pica-one which measured .166044 inch. This, divided by twelve, provides the base unit of the present point system. Finally, in 1898, the British typefounders as a body adopted the American standard, and the international value of this can scarcely be overestimated." Having visited the web site that Ernst quoted in his first posting, metrication does make a lot of sense, but, being the long-in-the-tooth, die-hard printer that I am, I would hate to see something mended that ain't broke. Regards Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 13:37:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52050 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 13:37:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917529550:10:23257:16; Thu, 28 Jan 99 13:19:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022901; 28 Jan 99 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA04630 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:40:40 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA04623 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:40:25 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.247) [193.149.73.247] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 105qkt-0003P2-00; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:41:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and Print) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:29:28 +0000 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Image resolution information Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Levens Software (we are the same company) have a working version, it needs a little more work to take account of aspect ratio, but it works all right. I shall endeavour to get it done for later today and hopefully have it one the web site soon after (http://www.levens.co.uk/software) Cheer benji -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 13:38:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52053 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 13:38:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917523032:20:20510:23; Thu, 28 Jan 99 11:30:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020348; 28 Jan 99 11:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04188 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:00:58 GMT Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA04180 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:00:34 GMT Received: from darprint.btinternet.com [195.99.53.188] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 105pCC-0006Yy-00; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:01:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:44:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cb7237bbdarprint@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Image resolution information In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Brian O'Carroll wrote: > I've got another Applet feature request to throw into the frey... > Impression has a feature whereby an info window about a graphic would > indicate the resolution at which the image would be printed taking into > account (I think)... > The original resolution of the image > The scaling of the image in the frame > The scaling of the document set in the print dialogue > The info dialogue in question would simply say "120 dpi" for example, > for a large image scaled small. If you knew your printer had a line > ruling of 60 dpi or more you knew it would probably look OK without > having to test it fist. > There is a similar dialogue in OvationPro already, but it seems only to > give the source resolution, not the effective output resolution of an > image. > Any takers? > Brian. > -- > Brian O'Carroll > pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles This is perhaps the one feature of Impression that I truly miss using O/Pro. Regards Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 13:38:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52055 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 13:38:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917524949:20:20058:19; Thu, 28 Jan 99 12:02:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019860; 28 Jan 99 12:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04312 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:19:52 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk (pat.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA04306 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:19:35 GMT Received: (qmail 10644 invoked from network); 28 Jan 1999 11:20:17 -0000 Received: from amos.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.36) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 28 Jan 1999 11:20:17 -0000 Received: from ppp17-annex.bath.ac.uk by amos.bath.ac.uk id aa09162; 28 Jan 99 11:20 GMT From: Martin Devon Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:57:42 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: MS Word Translation (again) Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite 2.00b24/Acorn RISC OS X-Organization: Stonar School Wiltshire UK 44 (0)1225 702309 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed, 27 Jan, Rupert Thompson wrote: > On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > In message you > wrote: > > All quiet on the !Transword front? > > Well, all has been quiet because I've been too busy to do anything > really to it - what's left is all quite major stuff (pictures, frames, > multiple font mappings; actually, that one isn't quite so major; and > then tables and lists and footnotes, and all the other bits and pieces > that it's going to be a pain to try to do); and my enthusiasm hasn't > been helped by the vast majority of comments being "But it doesn't load > Word 8 files." > If it offers more encouragement, how's this:- The difficulty of transfer of part-finished material between school (OPro) and home (almost invariably Word) now threatens not only OPro (50,000 files on the network) but our Acorn system itelf. I have to replace a fair number of old machines this year and I can see the thin end of a very thick wedge being inserted. Please? Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 14:19:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA52065 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 14:19:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917533322:10:19837:17; Thu, 28 Jan 99 14:22:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019546; 28 Jan 99 14:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA04840 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:53:24 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04835 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:53:12 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA10426 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:53:52 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:05:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Going metric To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48cb7196efdarprint@btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 28 Jan, Roger Mayne wrote: > In article , > Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > > For typography I prefer a standard though, and one that is based on the > > same units as my papersizes are based on. > > And not what IBM decided the pica point should be; 1/72 of an inch. > > I make no apologies for quoting the following history of point sizes, just > in case anyone thinks that *IBM* decided that the pica should be 1/72 of an > inch. Hope it is of interest. > Fascinating. Thanks, Roger. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 19:07:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88238 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 19:07:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917545617:20:12381:19; Thu, 28 Jan 99 17:46:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106251; 28 Jan 99 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA05168 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:20:33 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05163 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:20:18 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105v7j-0005gp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:20:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 17:08:52 GMT Message-Id: <52079@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image resolution information X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> There is a similar dialogue in OvationPro already, but it seems only to >> give the source resolution, not the effective output resolution of an >> image. The Picture->Info box shows the current x and y resolutions of a picture followed in brackets by the original resolution. The current x and y are found by multiplying the originals by the x and y scales. Should I do more? Naively the current x and y will be clipped by the printer resolution. We know that in reality a 300 dpi printer won't print any thing with more than 2 brightness levels at that resolution, so things become complex... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 19:07:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88239 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 19:07:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917548267:10:20639:19; Thu, 28 Jan 99 18:31:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116155; 28 Jan 99 18:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA05290 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:07:00 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05285 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:06:44 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-34.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.165] with SMTP for id TAA08015 (8.8.8/1.10); Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:07:26 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:02:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Going metric To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48cb7196efdarprint@btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Thu 28 Jan, Roger Mayne wrote: (snip) > old methods. Instead of formulating an entirely new system in accordance > with the metric system, it was decided to take as the standard, pica-one > which measured .166044 inch. This, divided by twelve, provides the base > unit of the present point system. Not in Ovation Pro I assure you, nor in any other contemporary computer software with the exception of Tex. > Finally, in 1898, the British typefounders as a body adopted the American > standard, and the international value of this can scarcely be > overestimated." (snip) Fine reading and another part of history I'll add to my archives, so after that famous fire no exceptions on the standard pica point size appeared? A table published in 1981 by A. Stork in his article 'Met millimeters meer mans' shows deviations from 0,350520 to 0,357188 mm for the Pica/ point. That was after 1898! Good examples; Monotype had two definitions for the Pica/point 0,1383 inch (0.351282 mm) 0,138333 inch (0.351366 mm) Linotype slug body size 0,014 inch (0.355600 mm) Photon 0,0140625 inch (0,357188 mm) The quoted webpage gives the following examples; * 1 point (ATA) = 0.3514598 mm = 0.013837 inch * 1 point (TeX) = 0.3514598035 mm = 1/72.27 inch * 1 point (Postscript) = 0.3527777778 mm = 1/72 inch The official US standard for the Pica is 0.166044 inch so the point should be 0.013837 inch as shown with ATA. There wasn't an official international standard for the Pica in 1981! The PostScript point is 1.3 micron larger than what it should be. As the son of a printer, Knuth correctly used the old standard size of the Pica for Tex. The Didot wasn't any better for the period it was used. 'At the time that the Didot was introduced the French metric system had not been adopted, and it is only fair to say that until a type system is formulated which is in full and regular accordance with the metric system, perfection will not be attained' Any idea who wrote that? D.B. Updike in 'Printing Types, their history, forms and use'. Quite a surprise to me. Claims by photosetter manufacturers that their equipment was based on the standard pica were often found to be untrue. Often it was based on inches or even slightly above while it should have been 0.4% less than the inch. The standardisation on 1/72 inch came with the electronic typewriters and the computers after that. Not as a result of a law or initiatives from the printing industry but by the shear number of systems sold. Most of the companies that took part in that change didn't have a typographic past. Nor did their first customers, the printing industry was in fact the last to change. Some printers may have noticed that change, others probably not. > Having visited the web site that Ernst quoted in his first posting, > metrication does make a lot of sense, but, being the long-in-the-tooth, > die-hard printer that I am, I would hate to see something mended that ain't > broke. It is broke since long, shows the problems even more with the half- hearted adoption of metric sizes for paper and is even worse in the stupid way the Americans measure their font height. I had no intention to make a thread like this one and did write that in the first message of this thread. I don't mind at all that you prefer to use the postscript point as it is and you may defend your choice with the arguments you like. I would like to use metric if possible with the best font system that exists. David gave a solution for metric font units that isn't very convenient to use and doesn't replace the ps point even in a cosmetic way. The baseline size used for font measurement is alright, for lead I prefer a number in mm instead of 20 (or 120% Impression way), it could still be fixed or variable though. If it can't be changed forget the issue, I've used the sig below off and on for more than four years and I'm not getting more optimistic these days. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net The point will never be metric. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 19:07:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88241 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 19:07:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917549455:10:06267:16; Thu, 28 Jan 99 18:50:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005695; 28 Jan 99 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA05332 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:14:01 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA05320 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:13:22 GMT Received: (qmail 13576 invoked from network); 28 Jan 1999 18:14:07 -0000 Received: from 66-223.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.223) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 1999 18:14:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:55:40 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: impact@circlesw.demon.co.uk, ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Quotes in OP Merge Calculations Message-ID: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There's a small problem with creating some types of merge tag using Impact-3 (3.07) and OvationPro (2.50). If a double quote is part of a calculation merge command Impact exports it as a double quote -- presumably this was how Impression expected them and translated d.quote pairs into single instances. If that is the case, then the problem, I would assume, is with the TransDDF loader which is not interpreting the d.quote pairs properly -- shouldn't they be converted into slash-d.quote?... \" or is there a stickier problem somewhere in the Impulse implementation? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 19:51:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88255 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 19:51:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917551292:20:09285:15; Thu, 28 Jan 99 19:21:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009245; 28 Jan 99 19:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA05333 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:14:01 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA05325 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:13:27 GMT Received: (qmail 13600 invoked from network); 28 Jan 1999 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from 66-223.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.223) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 1999 18:14:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:58:44 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message davidb@argonet.co.uk (Mr Breakwell) wrote: > So after this applet has anyone else got any burning needs that > need to be converted to 'hard' applet?! I've just posted this idea, but so that it catches the thread.... How about an applet that resizes a (rectangular) frame to fit its contents. Horizontal and vertical sizing done independently, text content is not reformatted. Takes into account the inset distance. I find myself wanting to do this about four times a week. It would... Quickly make headers/footers as small as possible Quickly make frames fit pre-cropped images exactly Quickly make frames fit around images scaled to 100% ....oh... and other stuff I'm sure. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 19:51:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88256 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 19:51:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917550604:20:28681:18; Thu, 28 Jan 99 19:10:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111974; 28 Jan 99 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA05379 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:26:03 GMT Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA05374 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:25:44 GMT Received: from darprint.btinternet.com [195.99.43.187] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 105w94-0002iq-00; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:26:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:27:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cb9c9764darprint@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Image resolution information In-Reply-To: <52079@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <52079@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The Picture->Info box shows the current x and y resolutions of a > picture followed in brackets by the original resolution. Whoops, so it does. When did you slip that one in, David? Must be senility creeping up on me. Regards Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 21:04:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88258 for opro ; Thu, 28 Jan 99 21:04:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917554660:10:15926:22; Thu, 28 Jan 99 20:17:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117607; 28 Jan 99 20:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05845 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:55:10 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05840 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:54:56 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105xVu-0001Q9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:54:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 19:12:55 GMT Message-Id: <88243@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Going metric X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Not in Ovation Pro OPro is based on an internal units system of 72000 units to the inch, the same as Acorns font system. (compare with the Draw system which has 256 units for each 400 font units). There are precisely 72 points to the inch, and 25.4 mm to the inch. So internally it is an Imperial unit program, and so is RISC OS. By contrast MicroSoft seem quite keen on building things on metric units. >David gave a solution for metric font units that isn't very >convenient to use Someone could add another menu entry that lets you swop all the menus in points at once. It wouldn't help on points that appear in things like the info palette. Similar tweeking can change the leading format. Meanwhile fonts are absolute horrors, the naive view one often reads is that 12pt text will have a 12pt bounding box. Often its up to 14pt, maybe 16pt. So standardisation would be welcome there. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 01:23:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88268 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 01:23:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917565270:10:03953:16; Thu, 28 Jan 99 23:14:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003782; 28 Jan 99 23:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA06305 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:46:39 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06292 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:46:11 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 1060DD-0007il-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:47:00 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:52:26 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:49:36 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. > > > > > > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? > > > > I used to have 21. The times they are a changin' > > Let's hope, with the recent announcement about RiscOS Ltd, that the > > figure rises. > > I'm sure you havn't included me - so it must be 10! > -- > from David Broster Sorry, I missed you. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 01:23:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88269 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 01:23:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917564163:20:14083:15; Thu, 28 Jan 99 22:56:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014041; 28 Jan 99 22:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA06225 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:34:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA06220 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:33:53 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.89) [193.149.77.89] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10601J-00015r-00; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:34:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:35:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cbb3527aowlart@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Interlock Border Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R As a new user of OvationPro, am I missing something in the borders? In the !OvnResDir.Borders directory is a drawfile called Interlock. Is this another Ovation border style, and if so how do I use it? It doesn't appear in the Frame Border window. My version of OvationPro in 1.52, but it was put together from 2 sets of discs, since Beebug sent me a corrupt disc 2, and then sent me a replacement wich also had a disc error but in a different place, so I have put together a copy of OvationPro from the two disc 2s I have got. Could this be a problem, and if so could someone send me a complete list of all the files I should have inside OvationPro together with their filesizes so I can check I have the correct files in place? Cheers, Andy -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: OwlArt@argonet.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 100 Skegby Road, | | | Kirkby-in-Ashfield, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | Nottingham. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | NG17 9FF. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 01:23:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88271 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 01:23:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917565873:20:09383:17; Thu, 28 Jan 99 23:24:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109541; 28 Jan 99 23:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA06306 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:46:39 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06293 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:46:11 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 1060D9-0007iF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:46:55 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:39:48 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:39:40 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image resolution information Message-ID: <9bba8cb48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52079@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <52079@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >> There is a similar dialogue in OvationPro already, but it seems only to > >> give the source resolution, not the effective output resolution of an > >> image. > > The Picture->Info box shows the current x and y resolutions of a > picture followed in brackets by the original resolution. > > The current x and y are found by multiplying the originals by the x and y scales. > It's at times like these that I wish I'd r more of tfm. And wish I'd also clicked on that info option before now. This is the first time. It's great. Perhaps the Levens apps will offer functionallity as well as just information. > Should I do more? Naively the current x and y will be clipped by the > printer resolution. We know that in reality a 300 dpi printer won't > print any thing with more than 2 brightness levels at that resolution, so > things become complex... > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 01:23:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88272 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 01:23:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917566580:10:20471:16; Thu, 28 Jan 99 23:36:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020188; 28 Jan 99 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA06324 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:51:30 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06319 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:51:13 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-34.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.165] with SMTP for id XAA23548 (8.8.8/1.10); Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:51:59 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:48:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Going metric To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <88243@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 28 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >Not in Ovation Pro > > OPro is based on an internal units system of 72000 units to the inch, the > same as Acorns font system. (compare with the Draw system which has 256 > units for each 400 font units). There are precisely 72 points to the inch, > and 25.4 mm to the inch. So internally it is an Imperial unit program, and > so is RISC OS. > And that doesn't comply to the US standard Pica of 0.166044 inch. I don't mind that at all as it has a better relation to the metric system than the US standard has. It is the best non-metric choice also given the dominance of postscript. > By contrast MicroSoft seem quite keen on building things on metric units. > > >David gave a solution for metric font units that isn't very > >convenient to use > > Someone could add another menu entry that lets you swop all the menus in > points at once. It wouldn't help on points that appear in things like the > info palette. Similar tweeking can change the leading format. I wondered what I could additionally replace in Menulib to get what I want. But if it goes any further I don't trust myself. > Meanwhile fonts are absolute horrors, the naive view one often reads is that > 12pt text will have a 12pt bounding box. Often its up to 14pt, maybe 16pt. > So standardisation would be welcome there. Conversions of fonts from different platforms and origins without much attention why and how could give a wrong bounding box size for a given fontsize. The position within the bounding box could be wrong as well. Fonts were designed for the way they were moulded, photoset, the printing process, the size or intended range of sizes they were used in, all next to the designers idea of what the font should look like. I checked quite a lot of vector fonts with older sample books to see on which size of lead type or photosetter font they were based, most resembled 20 pt type but there were several that weren't. A single design for more sizes has to be a compromise. The display of the fonts, the setting- and printing processes are changed so it isn't sensible to copy the old size dedicated designs. Knuth did that more or less however. Acorn replaced that system with a more sensible system for todays tasks. Adobe's MM fonts approach it in another way. Conversion to vector formats without any idea of this all will deliver strange effects. But most of the differences you will notice are intended and shouldn't be standardised. It isn't new and should be considered as necessary in the context of design. The H in Times.Regular has a height of approx. 65% of the baseline distance = leading on 0%, the H in Helvetica.Medium approx 72%. It doesn't matter for measurements in the height of pages as the baseline distance is chosen for the fontsize. The difference is a variation in density for the page and some fonts may need more or less leading for your taste. Textlength will vary but that happens with condensed or bold variations as well. It matters for which font can be used next to another but there are enough variations in Garamond for example to suite a sans serif with a small corps. It has in general a function that could also be achieved with tracking and leading but in this case the design has it all incorporated and better than we could do it. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net The point will never be metric. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 03:08:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88278 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 03:08:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917577037:10:19187:15; Fri, 29 Jan 99 02:30:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124277; 29 Jan 99 2:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA07012 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:10:45 GMT Received: from odo.cc.flinders.edu.au (odo.cc.flinders.edu.au [129.96.252.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07006 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:10:30 GMT Received: from 009975 (sturt34.sturt.flinders.edu.au [129.96.238.34]) by odo.cc.flinders.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA20920 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:36:19 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990129124048.00943ae0@post.flinders.edu.au> X-Sender: secpc@post.flinders.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:40:48 +1000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Carl Cepurneek Subject: Calendar buglet In-Reply-To: <51998@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R At 18:14 27/01/99 GMT, you wrote: > > >Hi, > >I've done a new version of my desktop calendar program. It will >now export calendars as Draw files or text. Which (tenuous link) >should be just the thing for DTP'ing, available from the free >software section below. David, I just downloaded Calendar and it works fine but... both the draw and text files get saved as type 'Data'. That's on an A4 machine, RiscOS 3.1 Comments: I plan to use the text output to drive my own Drawfile generator for pages to match an old style one I can no loger obtain. I've got years and years of the pictures to use -- reprints of Currier & Ives lithographs. I'll include moon phases as well. Are the holliday dates accessable? Australia Day and Adelaide Cup Day are noticably missing :-) BTW did I ever comment to you that I think the SparkFS icon is my most favourite of all of RiscOS (and windoze as well)! regards, cpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 13:43:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88284 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 13:43:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917581321:20:20897:16; Fri, 29 Jan 99 03:42:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020862; 29 Jan 99 3:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA07169 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:10:44 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA07163 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:10:31 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 1064L3-0005tt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:11:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 99 01:29:12 GMT Message-Id: <88276@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Interlock Border X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >As a new user of OvationPro, am I missing something in the borders? In >the !OvnResDir.Borders directory is a drawfile called Interlock. Is this >another Ovation border style, and if so how do I use it? It doesn't >appear in the Frame Border window. It's a slip up. I was once working on implementing Impression style borders, and I left that file there. >My version of OvationPro in 1.52, but it was put together from 2 sets of >discs, since Beebug sent me a corrupt disc 2, and then sent me a >filesizes so I can check I have the correct files in place? I'd be inclined to say if it works, its OK. The 2.51 patch on www.beebug.com contains a complete set of everything except the !RunImage. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 13:43:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88287 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 13:43:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917582118:10:07290:17; Fri, 29 Jan 99 03:55:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112089; 29 Jan 99 3:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA07185 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:26:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA07175 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:25:57 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 1064a0-0007CJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:26:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 99 03:10:30 GMT Message-Id: <88281@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Calendar buglet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I just downloaded Calendar and it works fine but... both the draw and text >files get saved as type 'Data'. That's on an A4 machine, RiscOS 3.1 Oh. Not my experience. The source code has gone for a burton along with the drive it was on. But when I extract it from the backup I will investigate... >Are the holliday dates accessable? Australia Day and Adelaide Cup Day are >noticably missing :-) The 'Today' OPro applet calculates all these. It would only be a small amount of programming to extract them. I did consider adding them to the calendar program, I might yet do so, but one has to draw the line somewhere. Someone could add a feature to the Today applet to print out all the days for a year in one go... >BTW did I ever comment to you that I think the SparkFS icon is my most >favourite of all of RiscOS (and windoze as well)! Designed by Jason Williams, from NZ, author of AudioWorks, and no doubt bits of Xara during his time at CC. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 13:44:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88298 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 13:44:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917607229:20:10501:15; Fri, 29 Jan 99 10:53:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010448; 29 Jan 99 10:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA07584 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:19:38 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07579 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:19:25 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1/NLR 13/08/98) with SMTP id LAA16246; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:20:56 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:20:13 +0100 (GMT) From: "F.R.Polak" Subject: Re: Calendar buglet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990129124048.00943ae0@post.flinders.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 29 Jan, Carl Cepurneek wrote: > At 18:14 27/01/99 GMT, you wrote: > > > > > >Hi, > > > >I've done a new version of my desktop calendar program. It will > >now export calendars as Draw files or text. Which (tenuous link) > >should be just the thing for DTP'ing, available from the free > >software section below. > > David, > > I just downloaded Calendar and it works fine but... both the draw and text > files get saved as type 'Data'. That's on an A4 machine, RiscOS 3.1 Yes, it does on my machine as well! That's a SA-RiscPC, RiscOS 3.7 Re-filetyping gets me the correct file. -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 13:44:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88299 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 13:44:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917608064:10:27548:16; Fri, 29 Jan 99 11:07:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128106; 29 Jan 99 11:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA07606 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:24:24 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA07601 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:24:13 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.82) [193.149.81.82] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 106B6p-0002QA-00; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:25:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and Print) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:53:47 +0000 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Image resolution information Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Having read this mailist concerning Ovation Pro already giving output dpi information I got a little confused. This version is not in v2.46, which is what I had been using. i have jut upgraded to 2.51, and lo and behold this information is there in the Picture Info box. I don't see much point in writing the applet anymore, unless anyone can come up with some good features, then I'll do it. Benji -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 13:44:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88302 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 13:44:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917616512:10:22939:27; Fri, 29 Jan 99 13:28:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022419; 29 Jan 99 13:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07941 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:57:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA07936 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:57:08 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.169) [193.149.72.169] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 106DUq-00057Y-00; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:58:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and Print) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:52:19 +0000 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: HTMLPro v1.201 and new Website Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAA07937 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB07941 Here is a list of the features not supported by HTMLPro. =8FTabs are not currently supported =8FArtworks file support should be finished by mid Feb. =8FThe software will only cope with the topmost frame. This means that g= raphics frames underneath text frames can cause odd looking pages. You h= ave to be a bit clever with positioning. =8FText flow is not currently supported. =8FLinks can only be added to graphics. The links applet is being worked= on at the minute. =8FIrregular frames are not supported =8FLines drawn in OvationPro are not supported =8FBorders are not supported =8FKerning/Tracking and line spacing are not supported =8FDrops caps, Rotated and Skewed Text are not supported The web site can be found at http://www.levens.co.uk/software/html.htm. Following recent discussions on c.s.a.apps it turns out that HTMLPro 1.2 = is HTML 4.0 Transitional Compliant, even with frames! Cheer Benji --=20 _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 14:58:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88317 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 14:58:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917621975:20:25532:20; Fri, 29 Jan 99 14:59:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102023; 29 Jan 99 14:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08103 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:23:15 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08098 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:22:55 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-1-200.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.200]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/892-SMTP-P) with SMTP id XAA20126 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:23:23 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:33:56 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 28 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. > > > > > > > > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? > > > > > > I used to have 21. The times they are a changin' > > > Let's hope, with the recent announcement about RiscOS Ltd, that the > > > figure rises. > > > > I'm sure you havn't included me - so it must be 10! > > -- > > from David Broster > > Sorry, I missed you. > > -- > > Alan Muscat > email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk > > > Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. Hello! can you see my hand too? --> Choose Acorn - 11 users can't all be wrong :-) Ian P. -- Acorn StrongArm Risc600 - 204MHz British technology: no Wintel inside or out! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 16:58:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88322 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 16:58:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917622515:10:18039:18; Fri, 29 Jan 99 15:08:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017307; 29 Jan 99 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08135 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:30:48 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08130 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:30:35 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 106ExW-0007MH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:31:46 +0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk by ltsun0.le.ac.uk; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:35:15 GMT Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:31:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: HTMLPro v1.201 and new Website To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB08135 On Fri 29 Jan, Ingenuity Design and Print wrote: > Here is a list of the features not supported by HTMLPro. >=20 > =8FTabs are not currently supported > =8FText flow is not currently supported. > =8FIrregular frames are not supported > =8FLines drawn in OvationPro are not supported > =8FBorders are not supported > =8FKerning/Tracking and line spacing are not supported > =8FDrops caps, Rotated and Skewed Text are not supported Without stomping all over the HTML specs, I don't see how these are possi= ble without resorting to heavy use of images (yuck). Surely no-one expects an OvPro document to be reproduced even close to hi= gh accuracy in HTML? --=20 Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.= uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.u= k/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 10= 39 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 24= 64 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.u= k/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 16:58:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88323 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 16:58:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917628235:10:07641:15; Fri, 29 Jan 99 16:43:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007248; 29 Jan 99 16:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08382 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:53:44 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA08374 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:53:21 GMT Received: (qmail 5761 invoked from network); 29 Jan 1999 15:54:19 -0000 Received: from 66-076.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.76) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 1999 15:54:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:51:39 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Window positions Message-ID: <165999cb48%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Every time I open a dialogue box it appears in the exact centre of the screen, and, most often, in the way. Is there a way of getting OvationPro to remember where I've moved a dialogue box to last time I used it and have it open there next time? (or as close to there as possible without being off the screen, in case I've changed screen modes since). Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 16:58:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88328 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 16:58:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917629142:20:07973:31; Fri, 29 Jan 99 16:59:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007982; 29 Jan 99 16:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08381 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:53:44 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA08370 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:53:19 GMT Received: (qmail 5750 invoked from network); 29 Jan 1999 15:54:17 -0000 Received: from 66-076.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.76) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 1999 15:54:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:37:44 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image resolution information Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52079@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <52079@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >> There is a similar dialogue in OvationPro already, but it seems only to > >> give the source resolution, not the effective output resolution of an > >> image. > The Picture->Info box shows the current x and y resolutions of a > picture followed in brackets by the original resolution. This is _almost_ exactly whay I was looking for except that setting the printer dialogue scale to, for example, 50% does not double the dpi given for these values. Does that make sense? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 17:27:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88340 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 17:27:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917630413:20:26769:36; Fri, 29 Jan 99 17:20:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127555; 29 Jan 99 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA08540 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:48:24 GMT Received: from thor.cubeoffice.de (root@[195.24.124.33] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08535 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:48:10 GMT Received: from mittel.in.cubeoffice.de ([192.168.6.5]) by thor.cubeoffice.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18489 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:43:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:51:26 +0000 (GMT) From: mittel Subject: Please remove me from the ovation pro mail list. Thanks Stefan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAA08536 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAB08540 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A g e n t u r M i t t e l s t =E4 d t & N i =DF l e r -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 20:22:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88343 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 20:22:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917632374:20:25429:15; Fri, 29 Jan 99 17:52:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025383; 29 Jan 99 17:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA08771 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:30:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08766 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:29:49 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 106Hkm-0003xh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:30:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 99 17:21:08 GMT Message-Id: <88337@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image resolution information X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This is _almost_ exactly whay I was looking for except that setting the >printer dialogue scale to, for example, 50% does not double the dpi given for >these values. Hmm. I see what you mean... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 21:16:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88347 for opro ; Fri, 29 Jan 99 21:16:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917642992:20:22625:15; Fri, 29 Jan 99 20:49:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022402; 29 Jan 99 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA09012 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:24:21 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA09007 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:24:08 GMT Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 106KTV-0000xZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:25:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:09:57 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Interlock Border To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48cbb3527aowlart@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Andy, > As a new user of OvationPro, am I missing something in the borders? In > the !OvnResDir.Borders directory is a drawfile called Interlock. Is this > another Ovation border style, and if so how do I use it? It doesn't > appear in the Frame Border window. > > My version of OvationPro in 1.52, but it was put together from 2 sets of > discs, since Beebug sent me a corrupt disc 2, and then sent me a > replacement wich also had a disc error but in a different place, so I > have put together a copy of OvationPro from the two disc 2s I have got. > Could this be a problem, and if so could someone send me a complete list > of all the files I should have inside OvationPro together with their > filesizes so I can check I have the correct files in place? > > Cheers, !Boot 515 !Run 2635 !RunImage 614932 !Sprites 3540 !Sprites 22 6696 !OvnResDir 341451 (22 files) !Words 3200 (5 files) Applets 60472 (23 files) AutoRun 45282 (5 files) Library 44748 (6 files) Modules 3638 (4 files) Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 14:27:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88349 for opro ; Sat, 30 Jan 99 14:27:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917675903:20:02322:15; Sat, 30 Jan 99 05:58:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117248; 30 Jan 99 5:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA09422 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 05:48:14 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA09417 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 05:47:59 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p38-max5.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.241.166]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA2 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:17:58 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id FAB09422 On Sat 30 Jan, Ian R. Platt wrote: > On Thu 28 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > In message you w= rote: > >=20 > > > On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > >=20 > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? > > > >=20 > > > > I used to have 21. The times they are a changin' > > > > Let's hope, with the recent announcement about RiscOS Ltd, that t= he > > > > figure rises. > > >=20 > > > I'm sure you havn't included me - so it must be 10!=20 > > > --=20 > > > from David Broster > >=20 > > Sorry, I missed you. > >=20 > > --=20 > >=20 > > Alan Muscat > > email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk > >=20 > >=20 > > Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. >=20 > Hello! can you see my hand too?=20 >=20 > --> Choose Acorn - 11 users can't all be wrong >=20 > :-) > Ian P. Me too, me too, me too, ok better add me to the list too --> Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong Umm almost back to the 13 users now... --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 14:27:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88356 for opro ; Sat, 30 Jan 99 14:27:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917693175:10:26619:15; Sat, 30 Jan 99 10:46:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103058; 30 Jan 99 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09691 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:36:36 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09684 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:36:22 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J75FJEOE7C005KIR@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:43:39 GMT +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:35:23 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <65927ecc48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Rene Turner wrote: > On Sat 30 Jan, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > On Thu 28 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? > > > > > > > > > > I used to have 21. The times they are a changin' > > > > > Let's hope, with the recent announcement about RiscOS Ltd, that the > > > > > figure rises. > > > > > > > > I'm sure you havn't included me - so it must be 10! > > > > -- > > > > from David Broster > > > > > > Sorry, I missed you. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Alan Muscat > > > email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk > > > > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. > > > > Hello! can you see my hand too? > > > > --> Choose Acorn - 11 users can't all be wrong > > > > :-) > > Ian P. > > Me too, me too, me too, ok better add me to the list too > > --> Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong > > Umm almost back to the 13 users now... To make things nice: Me too, me too, me too, ok better add me to the list too --> Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong hehehehehe -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 14:27:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88359 for opro ; Sat, 30 Jan 99 14:27:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917693020:20:17193:16; Sat, 30 Jan 99 10:43:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017085; 30 Jan 99 10:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09637 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:17:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09632 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:17:34 GMT Received: from [158.152.73.37] (helo=spcap.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 106XUA-0005yw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:18:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:17:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: !Thesaurus To: OvationPro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Could someone please try typing 'fire' into the OvPro thesaurus. My copy appears to be corrupt and bombs out with a 'Type 5'. An attempt to export the data stops at 'firearm'. I can access words before 'fir...' and things recover somewhere after 'fob', although I haven't determined exactly where, as errors at this end of the section cause the 'Filecore in use' error and I got sick of rebooting. I'd be grateful if anyone else could confirm or deny this behaviour. -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 14:27:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88361 for opro ; Sat, 30 Jan 99 14:27:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917700050:20:07004:15; Sat, 30 Jan 99 12:40:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006997; 30 Jan 99 12:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA09959 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:30:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09954 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:30:37 GMT Received: from (localhost) [193.149.91.115] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 106ZYw-00028q-00; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:31:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Carter To: OvationPro List Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:35:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cc7e96b5fruit@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: !Thesaurus User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Stephen Parkin wrote: > Could someone please try typing 'fire' into the OvPro thesaurus. My copy > appears to be corrupt and bombs out with a 'Type 5'. An attempt to export > the data stops at 'firearm'. Seems OK here. Andy -- fruit@argonet.co.uk - http://www.argonet.co.uk/homepages/fruit/ See my web-site to subscribe to the RiscCAD mail-list. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 14:27:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88349 for opro ; Sat, 30 Jan 99 14:27:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917675903:20:02322:15; Sat, 30 Jan 99 05:58:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117248; 30 Jan 99 5:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA09422 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 05:48:14 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA09417 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 05:47:59 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p38-max5.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.241.166]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA2 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:17:58 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id FAB09422 On Sat 30 Jan, Ian R. Platt wrote: > On Thu 28 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > In message you w= rote: > >=20 > > > On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > >=20 > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? > > > >=20 > > > > I used to have 21. The times they are a changin' > > > > Let's hope, with the recent announcement about RiscOS Ltd, that t= he > > > > figure rises. > > >=20 > > > I'm sure you havn't included me - so it must be 10!=20 > > > --=20 > > > from David Broster > >=20 > > Sorry, I missed you. > >=20 > > --=20 > >=20 > > Alan Muscat > > email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk > >=20 > >=20 > > Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. >=20 > Hello! can you see my hand too?=20 >=20 > --> Choose Acorn - 11 users can't all be wrong >=20 > :-) > Ian P. Me too, me too, me too, ok better add me to the list too --> Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong Umm almost back to the 13 users now... --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 14:27:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88356 for opro ; Sat, 30 Jan 99 14:27:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917693175:10:26619:15; Sat, 30 Jan 99 10:46:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103058; 30 Jan 99 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09691 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:36:36 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09684 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:36:22 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J75FJEOE7C005KIR@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:43:39 GMT +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:35:23 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <65927ecc48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Rene Turner wrote: > On Sat 30 Jan, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > On Thu 28 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? > > > > > > > > > > I used to have 21. The times they are a changin' > > > > > Let's hope, with the recent announcement about RiscOS Ltd, that the > > > > > figure rises. > > > > > > > > I'm sure you havn't included me - so it must be 10! > > > > -- > > > > from David Broster > > > > > > Sorry, I missed you. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Alan Muscat > > > email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk > > > > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. > > > > Hello! can you see my hand too? > > > > --> Choose Acorn - 11 users can't all be wrong > > > > :-) > > Ian P. > > Me too, me too, me too, ok better add me to the list too > > --> Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong > > Umm almost back to the 13 users now... To make things nice: Me too, me too, me too, ok better add me to the list too --> Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong hehehehehe -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 14:27:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88359 for opro ; Sat, 30 Jan 99 14:27:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917693020:20:17193:16; Sat, 30 Jan 99 10:43:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017085; 30 Jan 99 10:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09637 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:17:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09632 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:17:34 GMT Received: from [158.152.73.37] (helo=spcap.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 106XUA-0005yw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:18:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:17:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: !Thesaurus To: OvationPro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Could someone please try typing 'fire' into the OvPro thesaurus. My copy appears to be corrupt and bombs out with a 'Type 5'. An attempt to export the data stops at 'firearm'. I can access words before 'fir...' and things recover somewhere after 'fob', although I haven't determined exactly where, as errors at this end of the section cause the 'Filecore in use' error and I got sick of rebooting. I'd be grateful if anyone else could confirm or deny this behaviour. -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 14:27:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88361 for opro ; Sat, 30 Jan 99 14:27:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917700050:20:07004:15; Sat, 30 Jan 99 12:40:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006997; 30 Jan 99 12:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA09959 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:30:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09954 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:30:37 GMT Received: from (localhost) [193.149.91.115] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 106ZYw-00028q-00; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:31:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Carter To: OvationPro List Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:35:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cc7e96b5fruit@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: !Thesaurus User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Stephen Parkin wrote: > Could someone please try typing 'fire' into the OvPro thesaurus. My copy > appears to be corrupt and bombs out with a 'Type 5'. An attempt to export > the data stops at 'firearm'. Seems OK here. Andy -- fruit@argonet.co.uk - http://www.argonet.co.uk/homepages/fruit/ See my web-site to subscribe to the RiscCAD mail-list. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 19:26:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88378 for opro ; Sat, 30 Jan 99 19:26:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917716142:20:03759:17; Sat, 30 Jan 99 17:09:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120962; 30 Jan 99 17:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10215 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:57:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA10210 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:57:05 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.65) [193.149.85.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 106dip-0006Np-00; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:58:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr. P.N. Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 30 Jan 99 16:57:09 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: !Thesaurus Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 30 Jan 99 (11:35:34 +0000), fruit@argonet.co.uk wrote: >In article , > Stephen Parkin wrote: >> Could someone please try typing 'fire' into the OvPro thesaurus. My >copy >> appears to be corrupt and bombs out with a 'Type 5'. An attempt to >export >> the data stops at 'firearm'. > >Seems OK here. > >Andy And here too! Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 19:27:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88381 for opro ; Sat, 30 Jan 99 19:27:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917720410:10:07862:18; Sat, 30 Jan 99 18:20:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007615; 30 Jan 99 18:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10379 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:10:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA10374 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:10:01 GMT Received: from usern850.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [193.149.86.121] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 106erQ-0007bJ-00; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:11:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:10:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cca2be51rmking@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Calendar User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Bernard Veasey produced last year a calendar application named 'XCal'. It can produce monthly or yearly calendars in the following formats: CSV TSV Draw 3 Ovation Pro formats 2 Impression Publisher formats One of the formats was especially for an Ovation Pro template that I designed as a monthly appointment calendar. Xcal can be downloaded from: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applications.html The Ovation Pro appointment calendar template is at: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/templates.html More than one month can be generated by 'Xcal' and saved out as a text file. It can then be dropped into the Ovation Pro calendar template. As soon as one month's calendar fills up, other Ovation Pro pages are generated as necessary. The 'XCal' application is shareware and the author, Bernard Veasey reguires a modest fee of UKP 5 to register it. It is well worth the money. Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message