From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:34:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84566 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:34:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912277752:10:29327:15; Sat, 28 Nov 98 18:29:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112061; 28 Nov 98 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA15031 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:15:22 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15026 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:15:10 GMT Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user162.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.94]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13768 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:16:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:10:25 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ac3112a9marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Start up without Pluto being 'active' Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro For various reasons I would prefer Pluto not to open its window automatically when started. I have mentioned this to Jonathan 'privately' and he is of the opinion, I believe, that this is an unnecessary option. I just wondered whether there wer others who might have the same view and that, if it is technically, possible that Jonathan might find time to proivde such an option if it were not too onerous. I have no idea of the implications of such a request in technical terms. Just wondering. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:35:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84578 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:35:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912290898:10:03636:16; Sat, 28 Nov 98 22:08:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123418; 28 Nov 98 22:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA15243 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:57:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA15238 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:57:32 GMT Received: from (193.149.95.109) [193.149.95.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zjsO4-00039N-00; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:58:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:22:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ac42a670dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Start up without Pluto being 'active' In-Reply-To: <48ac3112a9marteng@intonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Nov, Marten Gallagher wrote: > For various reasons I would prefer Pluto not to open its window > automatically when started. > I have mentioned this to Jonathan 'privately' and he is of the > opinion, I believe, that this is an unnecessary option. I tend to agree with Jonathan on this. > I just wondered whether there wer others who might have the same > view and that, if it is technically, possible that Jonathan might > find time to proivde such an option if it were not too onerous. I > have no idea of the implications of such a request in technical > terms. Wouldn't it be better to canvas the view of Pluto users rather than OvPro user? ;-)) -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:41:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84777 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:41:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912422651:20:24660:18; Mon, 30 Nov 98 10:44:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024521; 30 Nov 98 10:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA17481 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:23:39 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17476 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:23:28 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:23:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: OvationPro User Group Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:22:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ad0dee81C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: What are the differences between ... In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Love wrote: > Can someone tell me the differences, in plain simple language (I'm > no techie :-( ) between: > A4 Generic (DP), > A4 Generic (DeskJet), > A4 paper size > and what would be the consequence of changing the graphic and print > margins. Will I get a larger print area on each if I reduce the > margins? What, if any, are the downsides to this. I notice that when > choosing one of the alternatives the margins change anyway. Why? > Should I keep with the default of whichever one is chosen from the > three? The default margins do not necessarily correspond to the actual printable area on a printer. What I have done is to first set up a new definition with zero margins all round. Then make up a document (draw, ovpro, whatever) with grey or any preferred colour rectangles in each corner, right to the edge of the paper. Then print the page and measure how near the edge the printer actually prints. Now change your printer margins to the real ones you have just measured. If you print to more than one type of printer (eg I use both a monochrome laser printer and a colour inkjet), then you need to use the settings which give the biggest margins, else one of the printers may truncate your printout if you go too close to the edge. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84792 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912434466:20:02376:25; Mon, 30 Nov 98 14:01:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126847; 30 Nov 98 14:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA18033 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:33:31 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18028 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:33:17 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11243 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:27:17 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA08359; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:31:52 GMT Message-ID: <36629E9A.65900FF9@sharp.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:33:14 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: GhostScript References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Liam Gretton wrote: > > Perhaps we ought to move this discussion to csa.apps... That may be a good move. > On Mon 30 Nov, W.H. Stenfert Kroese wrote: > > Having followed Graham Jones's instructions for the installation of > > GhostScript and PSUtils in raFS, I have the following difficulties: > Your first problem sounds like a screwed installation of gs, or perhaps > some problem with raFS. There is no need to double click on !Ghostscr - I should mention this somewhere (and probably modify the way it works). All the necessary aliases and paths are set when it is seen by the filer for the first time. Running !Ghostscr.!Run would cause a postscript file to be converted using the PPM driver. Double clicking on !Ghostscr runs the !Run file (obviously) but doesn't pass a file name to it (naturally, there is no file). It seems that the results of this vary from user to user, at home I didn't get the error above or the 'abort on data transfer' other people seem to get! > > 3. PSUtils, when clicked on, complains the it cannot find the system > > variable Wimp$FontWidth, which is in the file > > $.!Boot.Resources.!System.370. Modules.Wimp. Should I move or duplicate > > I'd say that this is a bug in !PSUtils. I would agree there - I'll put a fix in the software for a future version. > Try setting Wimp$FontWidth to a suitable value, perhaps in your > !Boot sequence .... That should do the job. > Note that I have no idea what a 'suitable value' for Wimp$FontWidth is! I think 192 is the default, though I'm sure I will be corrected if I have got it wrong. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84796 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912445217:20:09257:50; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:00:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009316; 30 Nov 98 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA18500 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:37 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA18495 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:18 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zkWFP-0004fF-00; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:27 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zkWFN-0003rc-00; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:25 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:25 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26ABF72D@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: PS files... & Ghost Script Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, I wanted to give GhostScript a go with a PS file (and convert it to PDF) but first I need to generate a PS file. I've tried intalling the "general" PostScript level 2 printer file in !Printers and printing to file but I get an error about some file missing in printers: , which is indeed not there. (sorry can't remember the exact message) I'm using ROS 3.7 and the "old" style boot set-up..... could someone offer some advise? Thanks, Peter R.H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84797 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912316226:10:05807:15; Sun, 29 Nov 98 05:10:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005728; 29 Nov 98 5:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA15762 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 05:00:42 GMT Received: from wws1.ww.co.nz (root@ww.co.nz [203.98.51.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA15757 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 05:00:26 GMT Received: from zed.ww.co.nz (max32.ww.co.nz [202.27.199.32]) by wws1.ww.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8RH) with SMTP id QAA00367 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:59:19 +1300 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:31:25 +1300 (BST) From: David Love Subject: What are the differences between ... To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have a Canon BJC-600 and have never bothered looking at the Edit Paper Size option. That is, until today. Can someone tell me the differences, in plain simple language (I'm no techie :-( ) between: A4 Generic (DP), A4 Generic (DeskJet), A4 paper size and what would be the consequence of changing the graphic and print margins. Will I get a larger print area on each if I reduce the margins? What, if any, are the downsides to this. I notice that when choosing one of the alternatives the margins change anyway. Why? Should I keep with the default of whichever one is chosen from the three? If I make an alteration in the Edit Paper Size option, I presume I also have to do the same in the Bit image printer configuration menu. Speaking of that option, which is the best resolution to use for the Canon BJC-600? And which the best Quality setting? And now I'll crawl back into my ancient cave and await results :-) David -- Proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84806 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912421768:10:18171:16; Mon, 30 Nov 98 10:29:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108719; 30 Nov 98 10:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA17407 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:55:09 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17402 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:54:53 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10391 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:48:53 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03819; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:53:29 GMT Message-ID: <36626B58.E9956BAE@sharp.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:54:32 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: GhostScript / Vantage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Paul Reuvers wrote: > It doesn't seem to work on my SA risc PC. Two problems appear: > > 1) The last line of the !Boot file reports a missing THEN. There is now an updated copy of GSapp510.zip on ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript which has this problem cured. > 2) When typing 'gs -h' from the command line, an abort on data transfer > is reported (&000A4AAC). >From other peoples reports this sounds like a wimpslot problem. I must admit to having my 'next' slot in the task manager set to 4Mb by default so I probably missed this! Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From j.pettigrew@elsevier.co.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84807 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912422569:10:25544:0; Mon, 30 Nov 98 10:42:49 GMT Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk ([193.131.222.35]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107306; 30 Nov 98 10:42 GMT Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "j.pettigrew@ELSEVIER.CO.UK"; id KAA02779; hop 0; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:34:26 GMT Received: from ELSEVIER.CO.UK (actually host eslgate.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:41:22 +0000 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by ELSEVIER.CO.UK with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:38:02 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:40:04 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: OvPro macro problems Status: R David, I've found two problems with my OvPro macros. (1) It seems to be impossible to apply effects twice in one script - only the last one has any effect. Thus, changing to italic, entering text and returning to normal means that the text is entered in normal. Is there any way round this, either currently or to be implemented? (2) There is a small error in the documentation. The bmprevchar function returns -1 when the caret is at the start of the story, rather than 0 as is stated in the NewFuncts document. I assume that this also applies to bmchar, although I've not tested this. Took me a little while to work out why my macro wasn't working :-) Thanks, John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84809 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912428625:10:24521:19; Mon, 30 Nov 98 12:23:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024317; 30 Nov 98 12:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA17722 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:53:01 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17717 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:52:49 GMT Received: from crusius.wxs.nl ([195.121.78.136]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA1698 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:52:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:50:38 +0100 (GMT) From: "W.H. Stenfert Kroese" Subject: GhostScript To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: W.H. Stenfert Kroese, (crusius@wxs.nl). X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Having followed Graham Jones's instructions for the installation of GhostScript and PSUtils in raFS, I have the following difficulties: 1. Clicking on the GS ikon produces the message: Can't find initialisation file gs_init.ps. This file, installed in the application as instructed, when run does run GS but with a long string of error messages. The only command I've used successfully is "devicenames ==". 2. It does work with !GView as it did with the older version. 8-) 3. PSUtils, when clicked on, complains the it cannot find the system variable Wimp$FontWidth, which is in the file $.!Boot.Resources.!System.370. Modules.Wimp. Should I move or duplicate these files? Help will be much appreciated! Kroese. -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen. Acorn RiscOs PC + InetSuite by ANT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:43:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84812 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912432185:10:26245:20; Mon, 30 Nov 98 13:23:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112764; 30 Nov 98 13:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA17830 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:34:37 GMT Received: from navy.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.49]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17825 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:34:26 GMT Received: from mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.39.91]) by navy.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zkSX8-0005SV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:34:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:08:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Clark Subject: Re: GhostScript / Vantage To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <36626B58.E9956BAE@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cambridge University, Department of Pathology. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 30 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > Paul Reuvers wrote: > > It doesn't seem to work on my SA risc PC. Two problems appear: > > > > 1) The last line of the !Boot file reports a missing THEN. > > There is now an updated copy of GSapp510.zip on > ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript which has this problem > cured. > > > 2) When typing 'gs -h' from the command line, an abort on data transfer > > is reported (&000A4AAC). > > > From other peoples reports this sounds like a wimpslot problem. I > must admit to having my 'next' slot in the task manager set to 4Mb by > default so I probably missed this! > > Graham. > I can report that setting a wimpslot of 2048K has cured the above problems on my machine a SA110 RiscPC. Also as well as being able to run the software using raFS I can also report that it seems to work OK when run from a WebFS directory as supplied with HTMLEdit. (I seem to recall that WebFS is a rebadged derivative of X-files?) Mike Clark, -- o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark <\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing, "> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:43:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84814 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:43:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912433318:10:06014:21; Mon, 30 Nov 98 13:41:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115535; 30 Nov 98 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA17937 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:09:45 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17932 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:09:34 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zkT5n-0000Ss-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:10:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:09:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: GhostScript To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Perhaps we ought to move this discussion to csa.apps... On Mon 30 Nov, W.H. Stenfert Kroese wrote: > Having followed Graham Jones's instructions for the installation of > GhostScript and PSUtils in raFS, I have the following difficulties: Your first problem sounds like a screwed installation of gs, or perhaps some problem with raFS. > 3. PSUtils, when clicked on, complains the it cannot find the system > variable Wimp$FontWidth, which is in the file > $.!Boot.Resources.!System.370. Modules.Wimp. Should I move or duplicate I'd say that this is a bug in !PSUtils. It seems that if you have Wimp$Font defined, it assumes that you also have Wimp$FontWidth defined. I guess you are using a desktop font which isn't in ROM (ie not one of Homerton, Corpus or Trinity). Try setting Wimp$FontWidth to a suitable value, perhaps in your !Boot sequence, or switch to using a ROM-based font for your desktop. Note that I have no idea what a 'suitable value' for Wimp$FontWidth is! -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:43:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84817 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:43:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912445957:10:16399:15; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:12:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100791; 30 Nov 98 17:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA18529 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:37 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18524 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:25 GMT Received: from primrose (phrvn@primrose [137.205.192.26]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA27220 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:33 GMT Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:16 +0000 (BST) From: Nick Kaijaks To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: GhostScript In-Reply-To: <36629E9A.65900FF9@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Graham Jones wrote: > but doesn't pass a file name to it (naturally, there is no file). It seems > that the results of this vary from user to user, at home I didn't get the > error above or the 'abort on data transfer' other people seem to get! Yes, in my experience too, that's due to a WimpSlot being too small. > > > 3. PSUtils, when clicked on, complains the it cannot find the system > > > variable Wimp$FontWidth, which is in the file > > > $.!Boot.Resources.!System.370. Modules.Wimp. Should I move or duplicate > > > > I'd say that this is a bug in !PSUtils. > > I would agree there - I'll put a fix in the software for a future version. > > > Try setting Wimp$FontWidth to a suitable value, perhaps in your > > !Boot sequence .... > > That should do the job. > > > Note that I have no idea what a 'suitable value' for Wimp$FontWidth is! > > I think 192 is the default, though I'm sure I will be corrected if I have > got it wrong. The values for Wimp$FontSize and Wimp$FontWidth are 16*point size, so 192 is fine. Incidentally, when you fix it, can you do it so that it doesn't fall over with 'Bad Number' if Wimp$FontWidth is set implicity by SetEval? By the way, the error someone mentioned about 'gs_init.ps not found' could be caused if they uncompressed the *contents* of the 5_10 folder into the !GhostScript application folder, rather than just copying it as a folder. i.e. the !GhostScript folder should contain five files, plus two folders (one called 5_10, one called fonts). Perhaps that should be in the readme, as I only worked it out by trial and error! Cheers for doing the ports - it's appreciated by the non-techies out here! TTFN, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ phd(?) physics, university of warwick ~ http://come.to/kaijaks mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 19:21:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84863 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 19:20:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912449121:10:12804:23; Mon, 30 Nov 98 18:05:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112005; 30 Nov 98 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA18767 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:36:05 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18762 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:35:53 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zkXFY-0004vf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:36:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:36:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: PS files... & Ghost Script To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26ABF72D@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 30 Nov, REEVES-HALL, PC wrote: > I've tried intalling the "general" PostScript level 2 printer file in > !Printers and printing to file but I get an error about some file missing > in printers: , which is indeed not there. > (sorry can't remember the exact message) Are you, perchance, using CC's highly cooperative TurboDrivers or LaserDirect? If so, that's the problem. To fix it, copy Resources:$.Resources.Printers.ps.PSFiles.Level2.PSProlog2 to !Boot.Choices.Printers.ps.PSFiles.PSProlog2 (making any directories as necessary). -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 19:21:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84867 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 19:21:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912453525:10:26852:17; Mon, 30 Nov 98 19:18:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026820; 30 Nov 98 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18933 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:58:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18928 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:58:16 GMT Received: from [158.152.240.61] (helo=fergusn) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zkYWY-00015i-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:58:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:12:21 +0000 From: John Ferguson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: GhostScript Message-ID: <48AD17F6A6%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "W.H. Stenfert Kroese" wrote: > Having followed Graham Jones's instructions for the installation of > GhostScript and PSUtils in raFS, I have the following difficulties: > 1. Clicking on the GS ikon produces the message: Can't find initialisation > file gs_init.ps. This file, installed in the application as instructed, > when run does run GS but with a long string of error messages. The only > command I've used successfully is "devicenames ==". Seems like you may have made the same mistake I did. Have you copied just the *contents* of the 5_10 directory from GSsup510.zip inside !GhostScr instead of the directory and its contents? John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 20:58:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84878 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 20:58:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912455354:10:16261:29; Mon, 30 Nov 98 19:49:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109826; 30 Nov 98 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA19043 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:23:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19038 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:23:38 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zkYvD-0005PQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:23:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:01:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ad2cf130david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <84549@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <84549@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Can anyone suggest a way to add dot separated groups of letters to the > >user dictionary ? I can add FRGS to the list but not F.R.G.S etc. > The spell checker does not support '.' as a valid character. It's > not capable of storing anything with stops in. > I can think of one work around, I believe later versions of OPro > generate an event before flagging an error and will let you handle > the error yourself. > OTOH full stops are used to mark the end of words, so you're > not going to get F.R.G.S dealt with as one word, rather as 4 words > each of one letter. Thanks for the reply, so... 1. How do I find out about finding and handling the error generated..bearing in mind that I know nothing about C, C++ etc 2. Could consideration be given to allowing combinations of letters including dots to be added to the dictionary at a future stage - like v2.52 please :-). To avoid confusion with full stops, the desired combinations could perhaps be surrounded by quotes or something in the dictionary, or held as a seperate file like !HyphDict.... -- Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 22:32:06 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84891 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 22:32:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912464793:20:18353:17; Mon, 30 Nov 98 22:26:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2120501; 30 Nov 98 22:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA19488 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:13:26 GMT Received: from odo.cc.flinders.edu.au (odo.cc.flinders.edu.au [129.96.252.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19483 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:13:12 GMT Received: from 009975 (sturt34.sturt.flinders.edu.au [129.96.238.34]) by odo.cc.flinders.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13116 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:40:00 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981201083709.009c6100@post.flinders.edu.au> X-Sender: secpc@post.flinders.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 08:37:09 +1000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Carl Cepurneek Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <84884@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Relative to full stops in spell check strings... >>2. Could consideration be given to allowing combinations of letters >>including dots to be added to the dictionary at a future stage - like >>v2.52 please :-). To avoid confusion with full stops, the desired >>combinations could perhaps be surrounded by quotes or something in the >>dictionary, or held as a seperate file like !HyphDict.... > >I suppose there are two things, first extend the dictionary format to handle >extra codes. Which has already been done to cope with Welsh (in Spell). > >Secondly slightly smarter spell checking code that looks ahead, to see if >text matches what is in the dictionary, before breaking it up into words. An extension along those line comes to mind: If smarter dictionary code could deal with punctuation etc, perhaps it might also include styles like super- and sub- scripts so that chemical formulas could be spell ckecked. K9H2O? :-) Regards, cpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 22:32:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84894 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 22:32:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912463285:10:09975:16; Mon, 30 Nov 98 22:01:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108500; 30 Nov 98 22:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA19385 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:46:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19378 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:46:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zkb92-0005z5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:46:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 21:36:27 GMT Message-Id: <84884@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. How do I find out about finding and handling the error >generated..bearing in mind that I know nothing about C, C++ etc Forget it. It will be in the new documentation provided in the upgrade archive. But its a job for a programmer. >2. Could consideration be given to allowing combinations of letters >including dots to be added to the dictionary at a future stage - like >v2.52 please :-). To avoid confusion with full stops, the desired >combinations could perhaps be surrounded by quotes or something in the >dictionary, or held as a seperate file like !HyphDict.... I suppose there are two things, first extend the dictionary format to handle extra codes. Which has already been done to cope with Welsh (in Spell). Secondly slightly smarter spell checking code that looks ahead, to see if text matches what is in the dictionary, before breaking it up into words. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 01:45:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84900 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 01:45:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912466495:10:13877:22; Mon, 30 Nov 98 22:54:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013780; 30 Nov 98 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA19622 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:37:05 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19617 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:36:53 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.90]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA20919 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:16:00 +0000 Message-ID: <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:25:50 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary References: <84884@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Am I missing something in this thread - why would you want to put periods in an abbreviation - surely you want an abbreviation to be as short as possible and have the expansion with periods or whatever? Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 13:43:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84921 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 13:43:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912487763:20:19049:15; Tue, 01 Dec 98 04:49:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125320; 1 Dec 98 4:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA19974 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:33:18 GMT Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (root@dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA19969 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:33:02 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-143.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.143]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA13791 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:03:09 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:08:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am using a Risc PC with a Cannon BJC610 and find that the bottom of prints is cut off. I believe to overcome this problem that the printer definition file needs amending. (Re old Archive magazine issue) If this is the case why have not Acorn done this and have others modified the file and is a copy available. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Scott Creek, South Australia, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 13:43:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84924 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 13:43:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912508131:10:20482:15; Tue, 01 Dec 98 10:28:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121824; 1 Dec 98 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA20225 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:39:02 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20220 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:38:46 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14108 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:32:58 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA24904; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:37:34 GMT Message-ID: <3663B934.9E1EBB3E@sharp.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:39:00 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation Pro List Subject: Updated Ghostscript and PSUtils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just a quick note to all you unfortunate people who have been finding the flaws in Ghostscript and PSUtils: I've put updated versions of the applications on the acornusers ftp site ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript. The only files to change are PSUtils16.zip and GSapp510.zip. The web page itself has also changed slightly to include hopefully slightly clearer installation instructions (thanks to Nick Kaijaks for the suggestion) and some answers to the FAQ's I had so far. The action on double clicking on !Ghostscr has been tidied up, hopefully this will cause less confusion now. Also !PSUtils use of Wimp$FontWidth has been removed for the moment - so you don't need to have this set any more to use the utils! Thanks for your patience. Graham -- Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 19:36:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84944 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 19:36:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912538056:10:00964:15; Tue, 01 Dec 98 18:47:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000739; 1 Dec 98 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA20837 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:33 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20824 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zkuPS-0007V3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:36:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48adb97595david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <84884@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <84884@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I suppose there are two things, first extend the dictionary format to handle > extra codes. Which has already been done to cope with Welsh (in Spell). > Secondly slightly smarter spell checking code that looks ahead, to see if > text matches what is in the dictionary, before breaking it up into words. Either of these would be excellent, though the second option sounds as if it might have wider possibilities. It could allow the user to specify almost anything they needed as being 'OK'. That could be a very powerful feature, allowing mathematical equations, algebra, and other 'odd' combinations to be accepted by the dictionary. In short, YES PLEASE! -- Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 19:36:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84946 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 19:36:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912538646:10:06446:15; Tue, 01 Dec 98 18:57:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115962; 1 Dec 98 18:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA20834 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20825 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zkuPS-0001h0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:27:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48adb8ad79david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com>, Pete Bready wrote: > Am I missing something in this thread - why would you want to put > periods in an abbreviation - surely you want an abbreviation to be as > short as possible and have the expansion with periods or whatever? > Pete Bready > pbready@net.ntl.com Yep, you are missing something - I want to spell check them, not expand them. Why do I want to spell check them... so they don't keep arising as spelling errors. I send a lot of mail referring to various authorities, institutions and people, many of which involve abbreviations which consist of dot separated letters. For example, in academic work, it is courteous to give a person's qualifications and titles; these often include dot separated letters such as F.R.G.S , F.R.S , O.B.E etc. I don't want to expand them - just have Ovation accept them without throwing up errors. -- Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 19:36:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84947 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 19:36:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912540834:20:12812:48; Tue, 01 Dec 98 19:33:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012824; 1 Dec 98 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA21145 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:14:24 GMT Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21140 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:13:52 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (ppp186149.netaccess.co.nz [202.27.186.149]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA16402 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:12:01 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost at Wed,02 Dec 1998.08:19:35 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:18:29 +1300 From: Ariancylch To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Start up without Pluto being 'active' Message-ID: References: <48ac42a670dgporter@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48ac42a670dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.75 (Newsbase) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48ac42a670dgporter@argonet.co.uk> Derrick Porter wrote: > On 28 Nov, Marten Gallagher wrote: > > For various reasons I would prefer Pluto not to open its window > > automatically when started. > > > I have mentioned this to Jonathan 'privately' and he is of the > > opinion, I believe, that this is an unnecessary option. > > I tend to agree with Jonathan on this. So do I - Pluto shouldn't be opening windows as it starts, except as an option. Ooops, guess I don't agree. > > I just wondered whether there wer others who might have the same > > view and that, if it is technically, possible that Jonathan might > > find time to proivde such an option if it were not too onerous. I > > have no idea of the implications of such a request in technical > > terms. > > Wouldn't it be better to canvas the view of Pluto users rather than > OvPro user? ;-)) Regardless it probably doesn't really belong here... -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 21:49:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84950 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 21:49:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912541923:10:10993:16; Tue, 01 Dec 98 19:52:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010965; 1 Dec 98 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA21244 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:33:51 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21239 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:33:34 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.213]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA28973 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:27:09 +0000 Message-ID: <3664B5DB.647F@net.ntl.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 19:36:59 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary References: <48adb8ad79david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Robinson wrote: > > In article <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com>, > Pete Bready wrote: > > Am I missing something in this thread - why would you want to put > > periods in an abbreviation - surely you want an abbreviation to be as > > short as possible and have the expansion with periods or whatever? > > > Pete Bready > > pbready@net.ntl.com > > Yep, you are missing something - I want to spell check them, not expand > them. > Just me being slow again! Eminently sensible and desirable! Cheers Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 21:49:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84957 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 21:49:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912547234:20:09925:17; Tue, 01 Dec 98 21:20:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009826; 1 Dec 98 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21497 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:03:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA21492 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:03:29 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.61) [193.149.85.61] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zkwxb-0005HV-00; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:03:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 20:31:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48adc98583dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <48adb8ad79david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 01 Dec, David Robinson wrote: > In article <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com>, > For example, in academic work, it is courteous to give a person's > qualifications and titles; these often include dot separated > letters such as F.R.G.S , F.R.S , O.B.E etc. I don't want to > expand them - just have Ovation accept them without throwing up > errors. But current practice is to leave out punctuation. I have just checked in the Register of members of the Royal Society of Chemistry. Punctuation is used to separate the separate qualifications, but even then not consistently. For example: Porter, Lord George, OM MA PhD ScD CChem HonFRSC FRS, etc, whereas the more humble Porter, Derrick George, BSc, MSC, CChem, FRSC has some separating commas. I have no idea why. Chemistry in Britain - a Journal published by the RSC - follows the second convention. I have also looked at a selection of business cards and those with a more "modern" appearance omit ALL punctuation. A couple of publications from other learned societies that I have looked at also omit punctuation. So it looks as though you can forget about punctuation without being accused of discourtesy. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 14:58:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85037 for opro ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 14:58:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912609203:20:11805:33; Wed, 02 Dec 98 14:33:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011729; 2 Dec 98 14:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA22211 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:51:21 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22206 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:51:09 GMT Received: from hertz.ukonline.co.uk ([195.40.112.13]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zlCjz-0006pR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:54:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 22743 invoked from network); 2 Dec 1998 14:08:14 -0000 Received: from tnt-6-104.easynet.co.uk (HELO alan.h9.ukonline.co.uk) (195.40.201.104) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 2 Dec 1998 14:08:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:41:02 +0000 (GMT) From: alan harvey Subject: Re: GhostScript / Vantage To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <36626B58.E9956BAE@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 30 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > >From other peoples reports this sounds like a wimpslot problem. I must admit > to having my 'next' slot in the task manager set to 4Mb by default so I > probably missed this! Thanks! your tip solved a problem re Organiser not loading -- Keep the faith Alan Harvey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 19:21:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85068 for opro ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 19:21:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912624049:20:05903:35; Wed, 02 Dec 98 18:40:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005664; 2 Dec 98 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA22552 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:09:24 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22547 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:09:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zlGie-0002gy-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:09:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 02:10:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ade891a5david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <48adc98583dgporter@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48adc98583dgporter@argonet.co.uk>, Derrick Porter wrote: > On 01 Dec, David Robinson wrote: > > In article <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com>, > > For example, in academic work, it is courteous to give a person's > > qualifications and titles; these often include dot separated > > letters such as F.R.G.S , F.R.S , O.B.E etc. I don't want to > > expand them - just have Ovation accept them without throwing up > > errors. > But current practice is to leave out punctuation. I agree that it is acceptable, if not preferred in the UK but there are still places around the world that use the old format, and there are still people who prefer to see their qualifications etc written the old way. It would just make my life a little easier if, when pleasing them, I didn't get spelling errors. The same problems applies to people's names: I can add David and James and Robinson to the dictionary, but not the initials D.J.R Separating initials with dots is definitely the currently preferred way of presenting the names of people submitting and presenting papers - in the world of geography and geology at least. > So it looks as though you can forget about punctuation without being > accused of discourtesy. I know I could, and probably very few people would mind, but since I write several letters each week to people who either prefer it the old way or have addresses involving dot separated initials, I'm sticking with a big 'please see if it can be done' :-) I accept that it might be a very, very low priority for other people though! -- Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 21:54:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85083 for opro ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 21:54:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912627556:10:07529:15; Wed, 02 Dec 98 19:39:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007418; 2 Dec 98 19:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA22727 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:06:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA22721 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:06:05 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.101) [193.149.78.101] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zlHbj-0000k5-00; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:06:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ian Wolfe) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 2 Dec 98 11:43:44 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rightly or wrongly I understand from my former Business Studies colleagues that the format F.R.G.S is regarded as old-fashioned and that FRGS is now regarded as correct. -- ___ |_ _|__ _ _ __ Linlithgow - birthplace of | |/ _` | '_ \ Mary, Queen of Scots | | (_| | | | | |___\__,_|_| |_| Non omnia possumus omnes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 21:54:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85087 for opro ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 21:54:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912633168:10:14026:17; Wed, 02 Dec 98 21:12:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013696; 2 Dec 98 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA22994 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:41:44 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22989 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:41:28 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-07.access.ch [195.112.73.7]) by mail.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.08pri) id VAA25244 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:42:01 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:38:02 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <48adc98583dgporter@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 01 Dec, Derrick Porter wrote: > On 01 Dec, David Robinson wrote: > > In article <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com>, > > > > For example, in academic work, it is courteous to give a person's > > qualifications and titles; these often include dot separated > > letters such as F.R.G.S , F.R.S , O.B.E etc. I don't want to > > expand them - just have Ovation accept them without throwing up > > errors. > > But current practice is to leave out punctuation. I have just > checked in the Register of members of the Royal Society of Chemistry. > Punctuation is used to separate the separate qualifications, but even > then not consistently. For example: Porter, Lord George, OM MA PhD > ScD CChem HonFRSC FRS, etc, whereas the more humble Porter, Derrick > George, BSc, MSC, CChem, FRSC has some separating commas. I have no > idea why. Chemistry in Britain - a Journal published by the RSC - > follows the second convention. I have also looked at a selection of > business cards and those with a more "modern" appearance omit ALL > punctuation. > > A couple of publications from other learned societies that I have > looked at also omit punctuation. And I do believe this to be correct. May I suggest that someone in this thread, living in the UK, contacts the FCO, possibly the "Legal Department" and/or the office of the Vice-Marshall of the Diplomatic Corps. And ask their advice. Just to give you some ideas: One does mention SHAPE Headquarters, *NOT* S.H.A.P.E. Headquarters. The French mention l'OTAN, *NOT* l'O.T.A.N., or for the English speaking: "NATO". Other examples: 2nd ATAF (*NOT* 2nd A.T.A.F.) and the same for 4 ATAF, and SACEUR for Supreme Allied Commander Europe. I have never ever seen S.A.C.E.U.R. Generally one sees UNO, WHO, FAO, etc., etc. There can be situations where one wants to have the the full name mentioned, but refers to an abbreviation. In that case one would add the dots between the letters. An example: upon my father's death I received a letter from the secretary of the O.B.E. acknowledging to have been informed of the death of my father, MBE. Therefore I believe that if someone does want to include punctuation marks in abbreviations, he/she must cope with this problem his/herself. As far as I am concerned, this is not a OP problem. I worked at the Dutch Foreign Office for almost 20 years, in case someone wonders whether I know what I am talking about. And I also had multiple contacts with the FCO and very often asked their advice. The only wish I do have is a better understanding for French words. Especially all words including a ' (=Ascci39). Regards JohnV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 22:45:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85106 for opro ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 22:45:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912638639:20:21207:15; Wed, 02 Dec 98 22:43:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020235; 2 Dec 98 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA23243 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:29:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23238 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:28:56 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zlKm3-0002je-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:29:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 98 22:15:57 GMT Message-Id: <85097@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One does mention SHAPE Headquarters, *NOT* S.H.A.P.E. Headquarters. There you go then, OvationPro saves you from yourself. There must be cases where it is necessary. For example e.g. Although perhaps thats been modernised into eg Initials D. J. Pilling perhaps. However think about TWAIN, thats the real name. Its not T.W.A.I.N. (thing without an interesting name). Miss out the dots and how do you tell the difference? So it turns out that all those things beaten into one at school were just to cope with the limitations of typewriters... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 13:40:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85120 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 13:40:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912656759:10:26223:15; Thu, 03 Dec 98 03:45:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112795; 3 Dec 98 3:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA23548 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:18:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA23543 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:17:48 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.238) [193.149.77.238] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zlPHd-0001c5-00; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:18:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:18:05 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 2 Dec 98 (02:10:53 +0000), david@zephryus.demon.co.uk wrote: > >I know I could, and probably very few people would mind, but since I >write several letters each week to people who either prefer it the old >way or have addresses involving dot separated initials, I'm sticking >with a big 'please see if it can be done' :-) I accept that it might >be a very, very low priority for other people though! O.K. then... Just include each capital letter, by itself, in your user dictionary ;-) -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. 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Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I seem to remember some while back it being mentioned that Impression has an option to ignore all words of less than 2 or 3 characters. Wouldn't something like this be an easy/quick solution? Presumably each letter of a dot separated abrieviation would be treated as a single character word and be ignored. OK they wouldn't be spell checked, but you wouldn't get the error message either. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 13:40:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85133 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 13:40:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912680564:10:25539:16; Thu, 03 Dec 98 10:22:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105258; 3 Dec 98 10:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA23788 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:51:01 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA23783 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:50:46 GMT Received: from darprint.btinternet.com [195.99.51.28] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zlVOT-0001Xo-00; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:49:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:47:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ae96365ddarprint@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <85097@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAB23788 Following this thread prompted me to refer once again to our 'Bible', 'Hart's Rules for Compositors and Readers'. Apologies for the length of the extract, but I thought it all quite relevant to this discussion. "ABBREVIATIONS AND CONTRACTIONS As a general rule, abbreviations and contractions should be followed by a full point unless the shortened form consists of upper-case initials or i= s a recognized acronym pronounced as a single word: thus print BBC, HMS, OU= P, PAYE, PLC, SDP, SPCK, TUC, WEA; Anzac, Aslib, Fiat, Naa=9E (or NAAFI). Abbreviations and contractions consisting of a mixture of upper and lower case take full points, as in I.o.W. (Isle of Wight), Bt. (Baronet), Kt. (Knight), Ltd. (Limited), St. (Street), and University degrees (D.Litt., D.Phil., Ph.D., etc.); exceptions to be made for Dr (Doctor), Revd (Reverend: not Rev), Mr, Mrs, Mme, Mile, St (Saint); here full points are not required. Abbreviations and contractions used after names, such as Bt., Esq., Jun., SJ, etc., should be preceded by a comma. When necessary, the names of days and months to be shown as below: Sun. Mon. Tue. Wed. Thur. Fri. Sat. Jan. Feb. Mar. Apr. May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. Where the name of a county is abbreviated, as Yorks., Cambs., Berks., use= a full point; but print Hants (no full point) because it is not a modern abbreviation. 4to, 8vo, 12mo, etc. (sizes of books), are symbols, and should not have full points. A parallel case is that of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and so on. In non-technical work print lb. and oz. for both sing. and pl.; not lbs. = or ozs. Also omit the plural -s in the following: bu., cm., cwt., dwt., g. (=3Dgrams), gr. (=3Dgrains), in., min., mm., sec. Insert the plural -s in= hrs., qrs., yds. When beginning a footnote, c. [circa], e.g., i.e., l. or ll., l.c., p. or pp., to be in lower case. Print a.m., p.m., in lower case. Generally print etc. not &c. Use the ampersand in names of =9Erms, as Freeman, Hardy, & Willis. The ampersand may be used, as directed, in dictionary or similar work. The points of the compass, N. S. E. W., when separately used, to have a full point: but print NE, NNW, etc. These letters to be used only in geographical or similar matter: do not, even if N. is in the copy, use th= e abbreviation in ordinary narrative; print =90Woodstock is eight miles nor= th of Carfax=91. MS=3Dmanuscript, MSS=3Dmanuscripts, to be spelt out when used in a genera= l sense. But in works in which the abbreviations are frequently used (such = as Introductions, Commentaries, etc., dealing with classical texts and technical in character), and in references to particular manuscripts, the contracted forms should be printed; e.g. the Worcester MS, the Harleian MSS, Add. MS 25642. Print AS (Anglo-Saxon), ME (Middle English), OE (Old English), OHG (Old High German), and other similar combinations in philological works; but when an author prefers A.S., M.E., etc., no space should be put between t= he letters. Print OED (Oxford English Dictionary), DNB (Dictionary of National Biography), COD (Concise Oxford Dictionary), NEB (New English Bible). For Saint use St generally, but S. if this is the author=91s consistent preference (plural SS). Before a French name use S. (masc., with point) o= r Ste (fem., no point). Omit the apostrophe in the plurals B.Litt.s, MAs, MPs, QCs, the sixties, the 1960s. Print A-bomb, H-bomb (no points). Print UN (=3D United Nations), not UNO. Print ITV, TV (no points). Print C (Celsius or centigrade), F (Fahrenheit) without points. As a rule, print nineteenth century, not 19th cent.; 9 per cent, not 9%.=20 These rules may be altered to accord with an author=91s special wishes, providing usage is consistent throughout a given work; and it may be preferable to omit full points from shortened forms which appear with gre= at frequency in a particular work. In addition common abbreviations and contractions may appear, as directed, without points in display work." Regards Roger --=20 Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 13:40:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85135 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 13:40:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912681664:10:06801:15; Thu, 03 Dec 98 10:41:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108892; 3 Dec 98 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA23893 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:13:03 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA23886 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:12:50 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zlVlM-00058n-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:13:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:14:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <48ae96365ddarprint@btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Dec, Roger Mayne wrote: > Abbreviations and contractions consisting of a mixture of upper and lower > case take full points, as in I.o.W. (Isle of Wight), Bt. (Baronet), Kt. > (Knight), Ltd. (Limited), St. (Street), and University degrees (D.Litt., > D.Phil., Ph.D., etc.); exceptions to be made for Dr (Doctor), Revd > (Reverend: not Rev), Mr, Mrs, Mme, Mile, St (Saint); here full points are > not required. > [snip] > Omit the apostrophe in the plurals B.Litt.s, MAs, MPs, QCs, the sixties, ^^ This is patently silly, making me MA, Ph.D., with stops in the Ph.D. but not in the MA! The _Cambridge University Reporter_ prints stops in all degrees. (Except in the _Fellows of the Colleges_ number, where it prints small caps with no stops or commas). Anyhow, the OPro solution is either to have all single capitals in the dictionary, or to trap the spelling error event and stop an error from being generated if the word is less than a certain length; this is the behaviour in Impression, IIRC - words of two characters or less are never flagged as an error. If I have a couple of minutes at the weekend I might hack together an applet to do that, and probably stop Roman numerals from generating errors, too - I find that far more annoying than not being able to have words with full stops in the dictionary! -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 13:40:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85136 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 13:40:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912683668:10:27675:24; Thu, 03 Dec 98 11:14:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027615; 3 Dec 98 11:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA24093 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:48:12 GMT Received: from lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24087 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:47:54 GMT Received: from mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.39.91]) by lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zlWJI-00078J-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:48:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:48:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Clark Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cambridge University, Department of Pathology. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Dec, Rupert Thompson wrote: > On Thu 03 Dec, Roger Mayne wrote: > > > Abbreviations and contractions consisting of a mixture of upper and lower > > case take full points, as in I.o.W. (Isle of Wight), Bt. (Baronet), Kt. > > (Knight), Ltd. (Limited), St. (Street), and University degrees (D.Litt., > > D.Phil., Ph.D., etc.); exceptions to be made for Dr (Doctor), Revd > > (Reverend: not Rev), Mr, Mrs, Mme, Mile, St (Saint); here full points are > > not required. > > > > [snip] > > > > Omit the apostrophe in the plurals B.Litt.s, MAs, MPs, QCs, the sixties, > ^^ > This is patently silly, making me MA, Ph.D., with stops in the Ph.D. but > not in the MA! The _Cambridge University Reporter_ prints stops in all > degrees. (Except in the _Fellows of the Colleges_ number, where it > prints small caps with no stops or commas). > However I note that the Medical Journal "The Lancet" abbreviates Professor as Prof. and Doctor as Dr which I understand is because one is truncated in the middle of the word and the other at the end. Mike Clark, -- o/ \\ // || ,_ o M.R. Clark, PhD. Division of Immunology <\__,\\ // __o || / /\, Cambridge University, Dept. Pathology "> || _`\<,_ // \\ \> | Tennis Court Rd., Cambridge CB2 1QP ` || (_)/ (_) // \\ \_ Tel.+44 1223 333705 Fax.+44 1223 333875 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 14:22:32 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85151 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 14:22:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912692692:20:08619:29; Thu, 03 Dec 98 13:44:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008521; 3 Dec 98 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA24580 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:57:49 GMT Received: from pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (pproxy02.gol.ad.jp [203.216.1.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24572 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:57:20 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-1-123.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.123]) by pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id VAA22158 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:57:35 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:07:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <002a01be1945$777bea40$5e46883e@dial4227> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Christmas card time again! I'm trying to do a mail merge to personalize my cards. I have 4 (A6 size) printed on each A4 sheet so they get printed like doubled galley prints. If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on each sheet? Hoping for a quick answer ! Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 18:47:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85184 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:47:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912709354:20:04473:23; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:22:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126101; 3 Dec 98 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA25165 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:42:59 GMT Received: from netsrvr.ami.com.au (netsrvr.ami.com.au [203.55.31.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25160 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:42:42 GMT Received: from richard.ami.com.au (ppp5.ami.com.au [203.55.31.101]) by netsrvr.ami.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17870 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:43:07 +0800 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:41:55 +0800 (GMT) From: Richard Clark Subject: Printing to file To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: HILLSTART (08)9293 1463 Perth Australia. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Can someone point us in the right direction on printing to file? thanks -- Richard, Jayne, Peter, Helen, Nicholas, and Laura. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 18:47:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85186 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:47:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912709377:20:04494:27; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:22:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004259; 3 Dec 98 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA25187 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:47:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25182 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:47:41 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zlcrb-00026q-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:48:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 98 14:23:33 GMT Message-Id: <85152@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I >get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. >How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on >each sheet? Read the document on advanced mail merging on the www.beebug.com web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 18:47:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85188 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:47:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912710730:20:28097:35; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:45:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027766; 3 Dec 98 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA25284 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:11:17 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25279 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:11:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zldEE-0005iL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:11:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 98 17:49:53 GMT Message-Id: <85161@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded from the wrong address... From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: RE: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet Ian Platt wrote: > Christmas card time again! > > I'm trying to do a mail merge to personalize my cards. > I have 4 (A6 size) printed on each A4 sheet so they get printed like > doubled galley prints. > > If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I > get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. > How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on > each sheet? > Hoping for a quick answer ! This is a best guess, not a certain answer, as I'm not able to test it here. To put four identical documents on a sheet, rather than create 4 lots of artwork, create a single document A6 in size. Then use the Thumbnails tool to print (part of the Imposit applet). Use All Same. You should be able to get 4 to a page, provided the master page is significantly smaller than A6 (by approximately the margin of the original A4). In other words, if your printer has A4 defined with 10mm margins, then the A6 should be half A4 minus 2 times 10mm in each direction. (This may be conservative, but it seems to work.) So far, this is stuff I have tested. What I haven't tried is mail merging into it, but since each piece of output is a separate page, on a common sheet, there is a good chance it will work. Let me know (via this group) if it works, because I might use it myself. -- Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 13:56:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85264 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 13:56:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912776109:10:11199:15; Fri, 04 Dec 98 12:55:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011103; 4 Dec 98 12:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA26547 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:31:34 GMT Received: from pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (pproxy02.gol.ad.jp [203.216.1.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26537 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:31:12 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-1-040.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.40]) by pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id VAA19197 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:32:03 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:33:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <85152@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I > >get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. > >How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on > >each sheet? > > Read the document on advanced mail merging on the www.beebug.com > web site. Many thanks David. Apologies for shortening your patience. Humbly contrite & grateful Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 13:56:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85271 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 13:56:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912768509:20:17310:15; Fri, 04 Dec 98 10:48:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121867; 4 Dec 98 10:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA26095 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:22:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA26090 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:21:54 GMT Received: from (193.149.87.130) [193.149.87.130] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zlsNr-0000ld-00; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:22:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:38:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48af193433dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Dec, Mike Clark wrote: > However I note that the Medical Journal "The Lancet" abbreviates > Professor as Prof. and Doctor as Dr which I understand is because > one is truncated in the middle of the word and the other at the end. Yes, I was taught this many years ago ... if an abbreviated word ends with the same letter as the whole word it should not be followed by a full stop, whereas if it ends with a different letter, then it should. In the olden days, when compositors roamed the earth, it mattered not to them whether they inserted a piece of lead representing a space or a point - the effort was the same. I remember some twenty, maybe thirty years ago, a drive in the civil service to simplify the production of typescripts. Among other changes, paragraphs were not to be indented in the first line, and all unnecessary punctuation was eliminated. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 13:56:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85273 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 13:56:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912776431:20:19527:18; Fri, 04 Dec 98 13:00:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121148; 4 Dec 98 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA26549 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:31:40 GMT Received: from pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (pproxy02.gol.ad.jp [203.216.1.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26539 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:31:14 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-1-040.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.40]) by pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id VAA19200 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:32:04 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:41:37 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet PROBLEM SOLVED,Thanks. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <85152@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I > >get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. > >How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on > >each sheet? > > Read the document on advanced mail merging on the www.beebug.com > web site. > > > > David Pilling Many thanks David (and Alan Adams) for replying. Apologies for not having read the 'label on the packet' (or at least looked in the obvious place first!) The answer is: 'Label printing', (and of course, the answer is in the place it should be, doh). A suitably humbled, contrite & grateful Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 18:17:31 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85305 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 18:17:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912793315:20:14994:15; Fri, 04 Dec 98 17:41:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117987; 4 Dec 98 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA26993 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:21:31 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA26988 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:21:18 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA09796 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:22:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199812041722.SAA09796@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 04 Dec 1998 13:43:24 GMT Subject: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: > >Forwarded from the wrong address... > > >From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 >Subject: RE: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet > >Ian Platt wrote: > >> Christmas card time again! >> >> I'm trying to do a mail merge to personalize my cards. > >> I have 4 (A6 size) printed on each A4 sheet so they get printed like >> doubled galley prints. >> >> If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I >> get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. > >> How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on >> each sheet? > >> Hoping for a quick answer ! > >This is a best guess, not a certain answer, as I'm not able to test it here. > >To put four identical documents on a sheet, rather than create 4 lots of >artwork, create a single document A6 in size. Then use the Thumbnails tool to >print (part of the Imposit applet). Use All Same. You should be able to get 4 >to a page, provided the master page is significantly smaller than A6 (by >approximately the margin of the original A4). In other words, if your printer >has A4 defined with 10mm margins, then the A6 should be half A4 minus 2 times >10mm in each direction. (This may be conservative, but it seems to work.) > >So far, this is stuff I have tested. What I haven't tried is mail merging into >it, but since each piece of output is a separate page, on a common sheet, >there is a good chance it will work. > >Let me know (via this group) if it works, because I might use it myself. You can get 4 times the same on one page using Thumbnails but if You switch-off "All same" OP will print each record on a page of its own (as if "Thumbnails" was not on). Thumbnailing with mail-merge just does not fill the sheets with thumbnails but uses a new page for each record. "All same" works but do I need, say, 21 stickers for the same person? I still convert CSVs for address labes into plain text with an additional 0x0C for each LF. This way addresses will fill pages on import and print correctly. With kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 18:17:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85307 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 18:17:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912793632:20:19507:16; Fri, 04 Dec 98 17:47:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019030; 4 Dec 98 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27000 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:22:31 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA26995 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:21:57 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA08096 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:22:50 GMT Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA19033; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:21:49 GMT Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3322) id <01J4Y4QJ8FUO000MTD@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:21:30 GMT Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:01:28 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:01:28 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:08:55 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:21:17 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:01:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Printing photos separately from text In-Reply-To: <3663B934.9E1EBB3E@sharp.co.uk> To: ovationpro Message-Id: <4828011704121998/A03043/CAUV40/11CC24410200*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11CC24410200 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;4828011704121998/A03043/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In order to speed up printing on a newsletter, and save on the cost of ink, I would like to print pages in two passes - one with the photos, and the other with the text. Is there some simple trick I can use to do this, e.g. setting the text colour to a spot black? Obviously I will need to be prepared for registration problems, but I intend to allow a couple of mm white round the pictures. (Overlaying text on the photos is an area I don't even want to think about at this stage.) The reason for this is that printing text with the colour cartridge in a Canon BJC4650 seems to be a bit slower than using the black only cartridge and the ink is supposed to cost less in the black only as well. In addition, the amount of black in the colour cartridge is small, and on my first print run, ran out after 40 sheets. -- Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 21:13:32 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85321 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 21:13:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912797477:10:28654:15; Fri, 04 Dec 98 18:51:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028625; 4 Dec 98 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27249 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:35:19 GMT Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27244 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:35:07 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-82-117.bar.es.ibm.net [139.92.82.117]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:27:28 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Dot separated letters in user dictionary To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: James White X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Dec, Mike Clark wrote: > On Thu 03 Dec, Rupert Thompson wrote: > > On Thu 03 Dec, Roger Mayne wrote: > > > > > Abbreviations and contractions consisting of a mixture of upper and lower > > > case take full points, as in I.o.W. (Isle of Wight), Bt. (Baronet), Kt. > > > (Knight), Ltd. (Limited), St. (Street), and University degrees (D.Litt., > > > D.Phil., Ph.D., etc.); exceptions to be made for Dr (Doctor), Revd > > > (Reverend: not Rev), Mr, Mrs, Mme, Mile, St (Saint); here full points are > > > not required. > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > Omit the apostrophe in the plurals B.Litt.s, MAs, MPs, QCs, the sixties, > > ^^ > > This is patently silly, making me MA, Ph.D., with stops in the Ph.D. but > > not in the MA! The _Cambridge University Reporter_ prints stops in all > > degrees. (Except in the _Fellows of the Colleges_ number, where it > > prints small caps with no stops or commas). > > > > However I note that the Medical Journal "The Lancet" abbreviates Professor > as Prof. and Doctor as Dr which I understand is because one is truncated in > the middle of the word and the other at the end. > Yes this type of convention applies when abbreviating musical instrument names. Full stops are used after short names but it is considered good taste not to use one where the short name ends with the last letter of the full name. So Piano becomes Pno and Tuba is Tba . Trumpet is Tpt. _but_ Second Trumpet becomes Tpt 2. . However, many thanks to Roger Mayne for his long and instructive extract which now goes into my UserBible. JW -- ---------------- Acorns in Spain Tel: +34 971 872322 Fax: +34 971 872309 ---------------- I never argue with someone I agree with -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 22:33:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85341 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 22:33:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912809210:10:14815:16; Fri, 04 Dec 98 22:06:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109514; 4 Dec 98 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA27488 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:51:38 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA27483 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:51:26 GMT Received: from lizard (dialup011.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.43]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA18819 for < Message-ID: <3668CA1C.D7C@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 21:52:28 -0800 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing photos separately from text References: <4828011704121998/A03043/CAUV40/11CC24410200*@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > > In order to speed up printing on a newsletter, and save on the cost of ink, > I would like to print pages in two passes - one with the photos, and the > other with the text. > > Is there some simple trick I can use to do this, e.g. setting the text > colour to a spot black? > > Obviously I will need to be prepared for registration problems, but I intend > to allow a couple of mm white round the pictures. (Overlaying text on the > photos is an area I don't even want to think about at this stage.) > Two solutions. Define a new colour (called, say, Black2). Set everything except your photos in Black2. If Black2 is defined as a spot colour, then just choose and pint either the Black separation, or the Black2 separation. Alternatively, redefined Black to be white, and print; separately redefine Black2 to be white, and print. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 5 14:43:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85357 for opro ; Sat, 05 Dec 98 14:43:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912850622:10:27606:16; Sat, 05 Dec 98 09:37:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027586; 5 Dec 98 9:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA27993 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:22:08 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27988 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:21:53 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zmDvW-0001BK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:22:59 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 05 Dec 1998 09:22:55 GMT Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 09:22:00 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: !TransTiff Message-ID: <398c9baf48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Who owns !Transtiff? This has to be a diabolical piece of software. This morning I spent 45 minutes creating a title in photodesk. Saved it as a tiff with alpha and auxilliary data. Then I drop it into a frame in OP. !Transtiff then produces an error saying something wasn't implemented in this version. I click OK and the ****** deletes the original image from the filer! That's really clever. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 5 14:43:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85360 for opro ; Sat, 05 Dec 98 14:43:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912863155:20:22006:15; Sat, 05 Dec 98 13:05:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102814; 5 Dec 98 13:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA28604 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:52:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA28599 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:52:29 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.214) [193.149.77.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zmHDN-0005IA-00; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:53:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and print) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:46:41 +0000 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: !TransTiff Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro We use this filter for import TIFFs into Ovation and Impression as well. Generally it works, but we have had the same f'ing problem. It's very, very annoying. Does anyone know of a piece of software that will also cope with CMYK JPEGs, as supplied by stock photgraphy libraries? Unfortunatly, I know of no solution to the TransTIFF problem though. Benji Levens -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 5 14:43:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85361 for opro ; Sat, 05 Dec 98 14:43:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912854456:10:06013:19; Sat, 05 Dec 98 10:40:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110461; 5 Dec 98 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28221 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:27:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA28215 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:27:37 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.131) [194.69.101.131] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zmExA-0003Ya-00; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:28:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 4 Dec 98 (20:49:18 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Printing photos separately from text Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 4 Dec 98 (17:01:28 +0000), alan.adams@gecm.com wrote: >In order to speed up printing on a newsletter, and save on the cost of >ink, I would like to print pages in two passes - one with the photos, >and the other with the text. > >Is there some simple trick I can use to do this, e.g. setting the text >colour to a spot black? > I usually just recolour all text to white, either using "styles" to redefine them, or by dragging acrossthe text and using Text->Colour... menu options to change it to white. Using an Epson 600 printer, I find that it sets up the paper for the second pass almost exactly the same as the first pass (within about 1mm). It works for me...! -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 5 14:43:33 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85362 for opro ; Sat, 05 Dec 98 14:43:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912854519:10:06834:15; Sat, 05 Dec 98 10:41:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006783; 5 Dec 98 10:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28195 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:24:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA28190 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:23:48 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.96) [193.149.77.96] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zmEtT-0003Vn-00; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:24:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:44:59 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Disappearing pointer Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I mentioned a while ago (with help from David) my Macro for emulating the Zap Ctrl-Shift-Z for closing an active window:- {savedocument("")}{filescrap(currentfile())} I have now found that this has the curious side effect on *some* documents only - and I can't see why - of losing the pointer. (perhaps it depends on which 'blink' the file is closed?) This can of course be recovered by entering 'pointer 1' at the command line; so including an:- {oscli ("pointer 1")} after the above macro restores the pointer. -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 5 17:29:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85391 for opro ; Sat, 05 Dec 98 17:29:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912878900:10:18952:15; Sat, 05 Dec 98 17:28:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018558; 5 Dec 98 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA28980 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:17:47 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28975 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:17:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zmLLv-0002pz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:18:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Dec 98 17:09:45 GMT Message-Id: <85386@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: !TransTiff X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Who owns !Transtiff? 10% discount on Impression till Xmas... I would imagine that you can also use TransFSI as supplied with OPro for converting TIFF's. The limitations will be whatever ChangeFSI can handle of course. You'd have to arrange for TransFSI to take priority over Transtiff. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 7 17:25:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85399 for opro ; Mon, 07 Dec 98 17:25:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912960383:10:20712:15; Sun, 06 Dec 98 16:06:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108141; 6 Dec 98 16:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA30003 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:53:20 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29998 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:53:04 GMT Received: from [158.152.4.3] (helo=jevans) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zmgVu-0006mR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:54:27 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 15:49:03 +0000 From: John Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <48B042D1A2%john@jevans.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Archimedes X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 Subject: Key definitions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I seem to have a problem with some key definition. Whenever I tr to use CTRL V to do some pasting I also get the message "Unable to save file - Duplicate file exists. What (applet??) is trying to do this save. I have looked at the macro definitions and can't find any other key definitions (apart from the paste) Is there an easy way to see all key definitions. I know of the Macro's option in Misc but this doesn't appear to be the exhaustive list. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 7 17:26:00 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85401 for opro ; Mon, 07 Dec 98 17:25:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912980425:10:12413:18; Sun, 06 Dec 98 21:40:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012374; 6 Dec 98 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA30369 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:15:20 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA30364 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:15:08 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zmlXc-0000cE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:16:33 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 06 Dec 1998 21:16:30 GMT Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:38:09 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Transparency/masks in sprites Message-ID: <35495db048%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I've just created an ad which has photos whose edges are deliberately perished. This involved creating a mask around the edge of the photos in Photodesk. I saved them as sprites which retails the fourth channel information so that when in OP the mask is transparent. This prints out to my desktop printer fine. However, I have printed to Postscript and then viewed in Ghostscript. Now instead of transparency I get white. This suggests that this is what I'm going to get when I send the file to the printers. Anybody come across this? Any solutions? Ta. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 7 20:34:03 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85488 for opro ; Mon, 07 Dec 98 20:34:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913057681:20:24235:22; Mon, 07 Dec 98 19:08:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024184; 7 Dec 98 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA31716 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:43:47 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA31711 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:43:35 GMT Received: from [158.152.66.67] (helo=tdesign.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zn5dH-00063g-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:43:43 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by tdesign.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:43:47 GMT Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:43:35 +0000 From: Richard Benjamin To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Transparency/masks in sprites Message-ID: <53a2d6b048%OvationPro@tdesign.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <35495db048%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: TDC X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <35495db048%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Dear all > > I've just created an ad which has photos whose edges > are deliberately perished. This involved creating a > mask around the edge of the photos > in Photodesk. I saved them as sprites which > retails the fourth channel information so that > when in OP the mask is transparent. This prints > out to my desktop printer fine. However, I have > printed to Postscript and then viewed in Ghostscript. > Now instead of transparency I get white. This > suggests that this is what I'm going to get when > I send the file to the printers. > > Anybody come across this? Any solutions? > > Ta. > > This is because the mask in the sprite is 1 bit (on/off) and dosn't actually make it into the Postscript file. I had a similar problem and in the end I created the whole page backdrop as a single graphic. (although using publisher) The only problem is the loss of editability. (although I used !Compo and kept the compo file, it is a pain to re-generate a sprite at each adjustment, and ensure some of the elements lined up with the text etc.) On a related point, I had been using Publisher and exporting layouts to the Mac using Acorn's PS printer drivers and 'placing' the result into Adobe Illustrator 6, which decodes the PS file into editable objects. The result can be resaved as an eps for use in Quark. >From Publisher, both level 1 and level 2 drivers work but (and here's the relevant part) Ovation only works using level 1 drivers. Illustrator churns for a while then says 'there is a problem with this file' for level2 generated stuff. Ghostscript has no probs with either. 'Fine, use level 1, I hear you say'. BUT (subject to further investegation this week) the level 1 driver converts any CMYK images back to RGB. Images have to be CMYK (converted/generated in Photodesk) so that Illustrator can generate an appropriate EPS for Quark. I cannot convert when on the Mac as even with 32Mb of real/95 Mb virtual memory as illustrator will not place the 8Mb graphics on the clipboard without running out of memory ! Does anyone with more experience with Postscript know why this is or if there is a solution ? -- Richard Benjamin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 7 23:10:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85516 for opro ; Mon, 07 Dec 98 23:10:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913067328:20:13543:15; Mon, 07 Dec 98 21:48:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124787; 7 Dec 98 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA32091 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:32:46 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA32083 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:32:25 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zn8Gh-0005Yd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:32:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 98 21:22:55 GMT Message-Id: <85507@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Transparency/masks in sprites X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This is because the mask in the sprite is 1 bit (on/off) and >dosn't actually make it into the Postscript file. I don't know if I agree with this. I just generated a sprite in Paint, with a mask, and the mask works in rerendered PostScript. Photodesk is in advance of the rest of RISC OS, in that it supports shades of transparency, rather than the simple on/off form that everything else does. Could be that is the cause... Perhaps if you take your sprites via !Paint. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 7 23:10:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85515 for opro ; Mon, 07 Dec 98 23:10:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913067216:10:05619:18; Mon, 07 Dec 98 21:46:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005321; 7 Dec 98 21:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA32090 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:32:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA32079 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:32:22 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zn8Gf-0005Yd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:32:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 98 21:08:35 GMT Message-Id: <85505@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Key definitions X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I seem to have a problem with some key definition. Whenever I tr to use >CTRL V to do some pasting I also get the message "Unable to save file - >Duplicate file exists. What (applet??) is trying to do this save. I would tentatively suggest endnotes? >Is there an easy way to see all key definitions. I know of the Macro's option >in Misc but this doesn't appear to be the exhaustive list. No. I guess this is a shortcoming. In addition to the macros+keys listing, you've also got built in key presses, keys short cuts on menus and keys bound to user defined styles. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 01:44:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85517 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 01:44:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913074057:20:07642:22; Mon, 07 Dec 98 23:40:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007611; 7 Dec 98 23:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA32391 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:26:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA32386 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:26:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.124.188] (helo=tasc.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0znA2k-0002bU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:26:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by tasc.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:16:13 GMT Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:45:27 +0000 From: Philip Ingram To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ghostscript 5 and PSUtils now available. Message-ID: <48B0ECC71F%prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <365E7447.74CFEFFA@sharp.co.uk> Organization: Not much X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (08 Oct 1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <365E7447.74CFEFFA@sharp.co.uk> you wrote: > Ghostscript 5 and the latest version of PSUtils are now available at the > acornusers.org site. > Firstly, grateful thanks to Graham Jones for a most useful contribution. I can now create PostScript output from OvationPro, turn it into PDF and then transfer it to a PC for printing with considerable confidence that what gets printed will be what was on the RiscPC screen. What's more, if there were to be a problem in printing it, I would be doing a standard operation (printing a PDF) rather than a non-standard operation (printing PS created by an alien system) and the PC support people could therefore be called in to fix it. Secondly, a kludge for those who don't normally have NEXT set to lots of MB. In the !GhostScr directory, create a new Obey file, say gt === top of file WimpSlot -min xxxxK .gs %*0 === end of file Then, amend !Boot by replacing all >.gs by >.gt Replace xxxx in the gt obey file by some number that works on your system. I have used 5000. I'm sure there will be a neater way, but this does seem to work. Regards, Philip -- Philip Ingram philip@tasc.demon.co.uk Chalk downland, fens and peat mires are as rare and special as rainforest. To find your local Wildlife Trust, ask wildlifersnc@cix.compulink.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 01:44:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85518 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 01:44:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913074815:20:20803:20; Mon, 07 Dec 98 23:53:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124574; 7 Dec 98 23:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA32442 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:33:38 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA32437 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:33:26 GMT Received: from [194.222.175.13] (helo=tsrank.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0znA9q-0006w1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:33:39 +0000 Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:47:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Tom Rank Subject: Re: !TransTiff To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ovation Pro item from Tom Rank: Opro@tsrank.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 05 Dec, Ingenuity Design and print wrote: > Does anyone know of a piece of software that will also cope with CMYK JPEGs, as > supplied by stock photgraphy libraries? ImageFS2 claims to do so. It certainly does whatever I've asked it to do, including dropping WMF clip art straight into an OP frame. Helpful people, too. Tom Rank -- Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.50, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 3.7 OPro@tsrank.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 13:54:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85519 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 13:54:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913108487:20:26876:15; Tue, 08 Dec 98 09:14:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108925; 8 Dec 98 9:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA00126 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:59:46 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA00121 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:59:29 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA14447 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:59:44 GMT Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA09339; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:58:44 GMT Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3322) id <01J538CJFGM8000T9U@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:58:41 GMT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:57:14 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:57:14 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:58:37 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:58:38 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:57:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Re: Transparency/masks in sprites In-Reply-To: <53a2d6b048%OvationPro@tdesign.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro Message-Id: <9714570808121998/A00625/CAUV40/11CC42390D00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11CC42390D00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;9714570808121998/A00625/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > The only problem is the loss of editability. (although I used > !Compo and kept the compo file, it is a pain to re-generate > a sprite at each adjustment, and ensure some of the elements > lined up with the text etc.) > There is a useful, if possibly unintended feature of OPro which can be useful here. The scenario is when you have a sprite in a frame, scaled, rotated etc, and you want to alter the sprite outside OPro. Triple click on the picture to open the Modify Picture dialog box, then drop the revised sprite on top of the original, then close the dialog box. As it closes, it re-applies the scaling and rotation to the new image. I don't know whether you can do the same thing with the Picture Process box. -- Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 13:54:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85523 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 13:54:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913122747:20:12669:18; Tue, 08 Dec 98 13:12:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012636; 8 Dec 98 13:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00534 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:59:25 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (sams@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00529 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:59:14 GMT Received: from localhost (sams@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15233 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:06:54 GMT Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:06:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Sam Smith To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Subject: Re: !TransTiff In-Reply-To: <199812080557_MC2-62D6-144@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Eddie Lord wrote: > >ImageFS2 claims to do so. It certainly does whatever I've asked it to do, > >including dropping WMF clip art straight into an OP frame. Helpful people, > >too. > Do they have a web site & if so what is it please? http://www.apsoft.co.uk IIRC. Regards Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 13:54:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85525 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 13:54:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913116323:10:18809:20; Tue, 08 Dec 98 11:25:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018443; 8 Dec 98 11:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA00301 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:57:31 GMT Received: from hil-img-4.compuserve.com (hil-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.177.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00296 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:57:16 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.16) id FAA20172 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:57:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:57:16 -0500 From: Eddie Lord Subject: Re: !TransTiff To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199812080557_MC2-62D6-144@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA00297 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tom Rank wrote, >ImageFS2 claims to do so. It certainly does whatever I've asked it to do, >including dropping WMF clip art straight into an OP frame. Helpful people, >too. Do they have a web site & if so what is it please? Regards Eddie. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 13:54:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85528 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 13:54:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913119028:10:21360:15; Tue, 08 Dec 98 12:10:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114048; 8 Dec 98 12:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00467 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:43:30 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00460 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:43:17 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0znLYp-0007Xa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:44:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:43:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: !TransTiff To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199812080557_MC2-62D6-144@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 08 Dec, Eddie Lord wrote: [ImageFS2] > Do they have a web site & if so what is it please? Yes, but don't get too excited. It's been under construction since 1997. Anyway: http://www.apsoft.co.uk/ Does anyone know if ImageFS2 is still being developed? -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 16:53:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85539 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 16:53:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913133251:10:15040:16; Tue, 08 Dec 98 16:07:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113414; 8 Dec 98 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00958 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:36:32 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [194.152.65.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00953 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:36:21 GMT Received: from modem-118.tantulum.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.36.118] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #5) id 0znPBo-00049J-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:36:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:18:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Allen Subject: Borders around set at 60 degrees not printing. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi folks, The title says it all. I have a frame with a 3mm border set at 60 degrees which shows on the screen but does not print. Is it a feature, bug? Is there a work around? -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.evanallen.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 18:28:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85558 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 18:28:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913138751:20:10851:19; Tue, 08 Dec 98 17:39:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010091; 8 Dec 98 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA01178 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:13:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01166 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:13:18 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0znQhf-00057K-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:13:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 98 17:04:22 GMT Message-Id: <85546@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Borders around set at 60 degrees not printing. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The title says it all. I have a frame with a 3mm border set at 60 >degrees which shows on the screen but does not print. Is it a feature, >bug? Is there a work around? As ever its unlikely to be that simple. For a start, what type of printer are you using? I just tried what you describe, and it worked perfectly on my Laser Direct. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 18:28:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85559 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 18:28:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913138736:10:18198:17; Tue, 08 Dec 98 17:38:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115541; 8 Dec 98 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA01143 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:09:58 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01133 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:09:40 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA13659 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:10:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199812081710.SAA13659@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 08 Dec 1998 08:16:09 GMT Subject: Re: !TransTiff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >We use this filter for import TIFFs into Ovation and Impression as well. >Generally it works, but we have had the same f'ing problem. It's very, very >annoying. > >Does anyone know of a piece of software that will also cope with CMYK JPEGs, as >supplied by stock photgraphy libraries? Try Tiffin by Peter Greenham, it does Sprite <-> TIFF, 32 and 24Bit, LZW and copes with CMYK. Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 18:28:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85561 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 18:28:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913138753:10:18409:18; Tue, 08 Dec 98 17:39:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018356; 8 Dec 98 17:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA01180 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:13:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01170 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:13:19 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0znQhg-00057K-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:13:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 98 17:08:05 GMT Message-Id: <85548@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Transparency/masks in sprites X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >There is a useful, if possibly unintended feature of OPro which can be >useful here. The scenario is when you have a sprite in a frame, scaled, >rotated etc, and you want to alter the sprite outside OPro. Of course an alternative is a ctrl+double click to OLE the image. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 18:28:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85560 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 18:28:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913138787:20:11294:15; Tue, 08 Dec 98 17:39:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117954; 8 Dec 98 17:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA01145 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:10:11 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01138 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:09:48 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA13673 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:10:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199812081710.SAA13673@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 08 Dec 1998 16:20:08 GMT Subject: Re: Transparency/masks in sprites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >In message <35495db048%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> Dear all >> >> I've just created an ad which has photos whose edges >> are deliberately perished. This involved creating a >> mask around the edge of the photos >> in Photodesk. I saved them as sprites which >> retails the fourth channel information so that >> when in OP the mask is transparent. This prints >> out to my desktop printer fine. However, I have >> printed to Postscript and then viewed in Ghostscript. >> Now instead of transparency I get white. This >> suggests that this is what I'm going to get when >> I send the file to the printers. >> >> Anybody come across this? Any solutions? >> >> Ta. >> >> >This is because the mask in the sprite is 1 bit (on/off) and >dosn't actually make it into the Postscript file. I had a Load the sprite into !Paint and look in the menu of it, Edit->Mask will not be ticked. The above created transparent channel is there and will be retained but it will not be used as a mask. The mask is in fact an additional 1-bit plane in memory of ancient times. The whole concept of transparency is missing from RISC OS and its applications. Sorry state of affairs. Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 21:09:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85577 for opro ; Tue, 08 Dec 98 21:09:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913150721:10:00198:15; Tue, 08 Dec 98 20:58:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000038; 8 Dec 98 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA01748 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:25:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA01743 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:24:50 GMT Received: from (193.149.93.18) [193.149.93.18] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0znSkx-0003pL-00; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:25:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:58:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b150d2e3charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !TransTiff In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Liam Gretton wrote: > Does anyone know if ImageFS2 is still being developed? It was before the acorn fiasco - they upgraded mine to v2.36 - but to do it they had to have the original disc back. It was however posted back the following day. hth -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 01:25:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85587 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 01:25:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913153305:20:27869:15; Tue, 08 Dec 98 21:41:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027761; 8 Dec 98 21:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01944 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:19:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01939 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:18:52 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0znUXK-0007lc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:19:15 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:05:46 GMT Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:05:36 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Transparency/masks in sprites Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <85507@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <85507@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >This is because the mask in the sprite is 1 bit (on/off) and > >dosn't actually make it into the Postscript file. > > I don't know if I agree with this. > > I just generated a sprite in Paint, with a mask, and the mask > works in rerendered PostScript. > > Photodesk is in advance of the rest of RISC OS, in that it supports > shades of transparency, rather than the simple on/off form that > everything else does. Could be that is the cause... > > Perhaps if you take your sprites via !Paint. > Thanks. I'll give that a go and let you know. It will be a real pain if I can't do this easily. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 01:25:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85590 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 01:25:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913158617:20:28068:15; Tue, 08 Dec 98 23:10:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027978; 8 Dec 98 23:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA02215 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:52:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA02210 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:51:57 GMT Received: from (193.149.95.59) [193.149.95.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0znVzQ-00008N-00; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:52:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 8 Dec 98 22:02:49 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Adjust on the button bar Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there a way to make buttons on the button bar respond to Adjust? In my standard setup I do not have the toolbar showing - it just gets in the way! Instead I have put the most frequently used tool buttons on the button bar, but then they do not respond to clicks with Adjust. For example, if I want to draw a series of lines, I have to re-select the line tool by clicking with Select between every individual line. On the other hand the button on the toolbar will respond to Adjust, so that I only click it once to draw as many lines as I like. Is there a solution? ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 01:26:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85591 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 01:26:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913161391:20:17269:15; Tue, 08 Dec 98 23:56:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017167; 8 Dec 98 23:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA02355 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:47:33 GMT Received: from mail8.svr.pol.co.uk (mail8.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.213]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA02350 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:47:21 GMT Received: from modem-65.tungsten.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.36.193] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail8.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #5) id 0znWr4-00016T-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:47:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:41:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Allen Subject: Re: Borders around set at 60 degrees not printing. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <85546@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 08 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >The title says it all. I have a frame with a 3mm border set at 60 > >degrees which shows on the screen but does not print. Is it a feature, > >bug? Is there a work around? > > As ever its unlikely to be that simple. For a start, what type of > printer are you using? > > I just tried what you describe, and it worked perfectly on my Laser Direct. It also works perfectly on my HP LaserJet 6P if the *only* thing that I have to print is a frame at 60 degrees with a 3mm border. However in the document I am trying to print it won't. The document has a master frame with text, 4 graphics frames and the text frame at 60 degrees with a border at the top and bottom. I could zip it and e-mail it to you if you wish? -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.evanallen.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 01:26:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85596 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 01:26:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913162324:10:09024:15; Wed, 09 Dec 98 00:12:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127386; 9 Dec 98 0:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA02403 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:53:03 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA02398 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:52:51 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.189]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA15630 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:46:17 +0000 Message-ID: <366E2D23.32C2@net.ntl.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 23:56:19 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Adjust on the button bar References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Wragg wrote: > > Is there a way to make buttons on the button bar respond to Adjust? > > In my standard setup I do not have the toolbar showing - it just gets in the > way! Instead I have put the most frequently used tool buttons on the button > bar, but then they do not respond to clicks with Adjust. For example, if I want > to draw a series of lines, I have to re-select the line tool by clicking with > Select between every individual line. On the other hand the button on the > toolbar will respond to Adjust, so that I only click it once to draw as many > lines as I like. Is there a solution? > > ChrisW A function I would find most useful on the button bar would be to show the button's help text either when you float over it or click adjust. I use BubbleHelp, but it's a bind F1'ing to toggle it off/on. It's probably one of the near-damn standard thingies I'm used to in Windoze but miss in RiscOS. Fireworkz sort of comes close by displaying the button function on its status line IIRC. Or can some clever dude write an applet to trap the adjust event (or 'pointer floating over button' ???) switch on help, have the help test displayed, and switch it off again when the mouse wanders away? That should be enough of a spec for it magically to appear, shouldn't it? Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 01:26:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85597 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 01:26:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913165194:10:19010:15; Wed, 09 Dec 98 00:59:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113042; 9 Dec 98 0:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA02616 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:44:16 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA02611 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:44:04 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0znXjw-0000bV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:44:28 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 00:41:17 GMT Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 00:40:56 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Transparency/masks in sprites Message-ID: <6f2f7bb148%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <85507@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <85507@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >This is because the mask in the sprite is 1 bit (on/off) and > >dosn't actually make it into the Postscript file. > > I don't know if I agree with this. > > I just generated a sprite in Paint, with a mask, and the mask > works in rerendered PostScript. What did you have showing underneath the mask? In OP I have photos in frames that have masks. Underneath is another graphic. All looks great on screen but when printed to PS file what was mask is now rendered as white and I assume it would turn out white when printed. > > Photodesk is in advance of the rest of RISC OS, in that it supports > shades of transparency, rather than the simple on/off form that > everything else does. Could be that is the cause... > > Perhaps if you take your sprites via !Paint. > I tried this but it didn't work either. I did find that mask was ticked, I could select the mask as a 'colour'. I also painted on extra mask from within !Paint, but it still rendered as white. There's got to be an answer to this without having to use the work around that has been suggested. I'll ask on the Photodesk list. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 03:35:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85615 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 03:35:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913170411:20:15063:26; Wed, 09 Dec 98 02:26:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116203; 9 Dec 98 2:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA02801 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:16:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02790 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:15:44 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0znZAg-0005fv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:16:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 98 01:36:41 GMT Message-Id: <85604@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Adjust on the button bar X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a way to make buttons on the button bar respond to Adjust? No. On the whole, buttons should have be 'objectified' with more than one entry point, so they'd do one thing if you clicked with select, and another with adjust. Another good idea that got away... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 03:35:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85618 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 03:35:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913170680:10:04602:15; Wed, 09 Dec 98 02:31:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116591; 9 Dec 98 2:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA02802 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:16:07 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02794 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:15:46 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0znZAh-0005fv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:16:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 98 01:39:07 GMT Message-Id: <85606@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Transparency/masks in sprites X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What did you have showing underneath the mask? I simply had the grey background of the frame. However I've just repeated the exercise, this time a 24bpp RGB sprite, add a mask in Paint. And it all works via PS, using all the variations I can think off, laid over another sprite, in a rotated frame, image processing enabled. Certainly there is scope for a bug here, and also for PS results to be different to results on a bit map printer (?), or the screen. But its not some fundamental problem, or even a general one. So far as I've seen. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 14:58:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85628 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 14:58:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913196722:20:01525:16; Wed, 09 Dec 98 09:45:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001357; 9 Dec 98 9:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA03193 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:21:53 GMT Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03188 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:21:39 GMT Received: from mistral.co.uk (d1-s52-84-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.84]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMT Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:12:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Adjust on the button bar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <366E2D23.32C2@net.ntl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 09 Dec, Pete Bready wrote: > A function I would find most useful on the button bar would be to show > the button's help text either when you float over it or click adjust. I > use BubbleHelp, but it's a bind F1'ing to toggle it off/on. It's > probably one of the near-damn standard thingies I'm used to in Windoze > but miss in RiscOS. Fireworkz sort of comes close by displaying the > button function on its status line IIRC. > > Or can some clever dude write an applet to trap the adjust event (or > 'pointer floating over button' ???) switch on help, have the help test > displayed, and switch it off again when the mouse wanders away? That > should be enough of a spec for it magically to appear, shouldn't it? Agreed this is one of the few good things about MS software. On MS Exchange, the message does not appear immediately, but only if you pause over the button for about one second. Thus is does not get in your way once you know what you are doing. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 or 642414 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 14:58:17 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85631 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 14:58:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913208789:10:15823:15; Wed, 09 Dec 98 13:06:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015754; 9 Dec 98 13:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA03487 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:41:02 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03482 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:40:50 GMT Received: from jlo22 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0znivi-0007S4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:41:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:41:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan Overett X-Sender: jlo22@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Adjust on the button bar In-Reply-To: <366E2D23.32C2@net.ntl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > A function I would find most useful on the button bar would be to show > the button's help text either when you float over it or click adjust. I > use BubbleHelp, but it's a bind F1'ing to toggle it off/on. It's > probably one of the near-damn standard thingies I'm used to in Windoze > but miss in RiscOS. Fireworkz sort of comes close by displaying the > button function on its status line IIRC. > > Or can some clever dude write an applet to trap the adjust event (or > 'pointer floating over button' ???) switch on help, have the help test > displayed, and switch it off again when the mouse wanders away? That > should be enough of a spec for it magically to appear, shouldn't it? > > Pete Bready > pbready@net.ntl.com > There was a program which did this on the Christmas Acorn User cover disc - just shows the first line of help text for a configurable amount of time - called something like '!SmallHelp" Jonathan Overett jlo22@cam.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 19:35:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85674 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 19:35:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913228578:20:17425:15; Wed, 09 Dec 98 18:36:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017317; 9 Dec 98 18:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA03913 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:18:36 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03908 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:18:23 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.199]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA10111 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:12:00 +0000 Message-ID: <366F3051.1B3A@net.ntl.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:22:09 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Adjust on the button bar References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Jonathan Overett wrote: > > There was a program which did this on the Christmas Acorn User cover disc > - just shows the first line of help text for a configurable amount of time > - called something like '!SmallHelp" > Yes, I noticed that but presumed it would operate in a similar manner to !Bubblehelp in that I would get all the other help messages that I don't necessarily want re window furniture, 'this window belongs to OvPro' etc etc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 21:49:33 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85685 for opro ; Wed, 09 Dec 98 21:49:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913233320:10:09404:18; Wed, 09 Dec 98 19:55:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009174; 9 Dec 98 19:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA04085 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:40:46 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04080 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:40:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0znpTw-000132-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:41:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 98 19:12:55 GMT Message-Id: <85671@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Adjust on the button bar X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Agreed this is one of the few good things about MS software. On MS Exchange, >the message does not appear immediately, but only if you pause over the button >for about one second. Thus is does not get in your way once you know what >you are doing. Bubble Help 2 (supplied with OPro) has an option Choices -> Bubble style and Control -> Reopen after As you suggest, setting this to e.g. 250 centi seconds stops it getting in the way. (and for those without OPro (?) BH2 is now freeware and available from Paul Vigays web site) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 10 13:55:17 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85740 for opro ; Thu, 10 Dec 98 13:55:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913278813:10:20382:15; Thu, 10 Dec 98 08:33:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019780; 10 Dec 98 8:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA04653 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:17:54 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04648 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:17:39 GMT Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zo1If-0003Eh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:18:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:51:09 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Adjust on the button bar In-Reply-To: <366F3051.1B3A@net.ntl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <366F3051.1B3A@net.ntl.com>, Pete Bready writes >Jonathan Overett wrote: >> >> There was a program which did this on the Christmas Acorn User cover disc >> - just shows the first line of help text for a configurable amount of time >> - called something like '!SmallHelp" >> > >Yes, I noticed that but presumed it would operate in a similar manner to >!Bubblehelp in that I would get all the other help messages that I >don't necessarily want re window furniture, 'this window belongs to >OvPro' etc etc > I use BubbleHelp - jolly good it is, too. When 'others' are using my RPC I used to get continual cries of "remind me again how to open a master page"; now I just tell 'em to linger over all the buttons until the appropriate message comes up. It certainly makes 'them' find out for themselves. You can configure Bubblehelp to not respond to window funmiture, etc, and to not respond to those apps from which help is silly. You can also configure the dwell time. Having got that far, you're likely get p'd off with, for instance, the help from the main OPro window "This is the document Window....", which I consider to be is taking help too far. I've ofthen thought there ought to be a configurable two-level help , one for real beginners, and one for those who just need reminding. You can organise this in OPro, and in many other apps by editing the messages file (having saved/renamed the original). In !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.Help, simply comment out any line you don't want to be displayed (by prepending it with "//" from Edit or Zap). The only trouble is that you need to do this for each new relese of the application. For those applications which show a default message, just truncating the line after the token suppresses it (and the token). -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 10 19:30:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85805 for opro ; Thu, 10 Dec 98 19:30:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913317599:10:24748:15; Thu, 10 Dec 98 19:19:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115336; 10 Dec 98 19:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA05139 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:46:52 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05134 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:46:36 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zoB7T-0002GL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:47:24 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:47:27 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:47:20 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Transparency/masks in sprites Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <85606@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <85606@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >What did you have showing underneath the mask? > > I simply had the grey background of the frame. > > However I've just repeated the exercise, this time a 24bpp RGB > sprite, add a mask in Paint. And it all works via PS, using all > the variations I can think off, laid over another sprite, in a rotated > frame, image processing enabled. > > Certainly there is scope for a bug here, and also for PS results > to be different to results on a bit map printer (?), or the > screen. But its not some fundamental problem, or even a general one. > So far as I've seen. > Anybody else given this a go to see what you get? I would appreciate it. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 10 19:30:58 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85807 for opro ; Thu, 10 Dec 98 19:30:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913317502:20:29191:22; Thu, 10 Dec 98 19:18:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129372; 10 Dec 98 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA05155 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:50:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05150 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:50:11 GMT Received: from [194.222.175.13] (helo=tsrank.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zoBAv-0002IM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:50:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:51:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Tom Rank Subject: Re: !TransTiff To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ovation Pro item from Tom Rank: Opro@tsrank.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 08 Dec, Liam Gretton wrote: > > Does anyone know if ImageFS2 is still being developed? > On 24 Nov 1998, Dr Majid Anwar sent me a message which included this comment: What we're currently working on, though, should vastly improve graphics import on RiscOS, and give us a basis for defining accurate export. Watch this space over the next few months for announcements. A hopeful sign? Tom Rank -- Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.50, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 3.7 OPro@tsrank.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 10 21:31:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85815 for opro ; Thu, 10 Dec 98 21:31:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913324688:20:18728:15; Thu, 10 Dec 98 21:18:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128211; 10 Dec 98 21:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA05585 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:04:44 GMT Received: from casablanca.magic.fr (casablanca.magic.fr [195.154.101.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05580 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:04:31 GMT Received: from sbanaudo.magic.fr (ppp7-45.magic.fr [195.154.128.45]) by casablanca.magic.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA22230 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:05:15 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:12:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Banaudo Serge Subject: printer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, Is the CANON printer BJC 5000 (a3/a4) a good choice for my RPC600/OvationPro? Which driver and where find it? (if exist!!!) Merci. Serge -- ....sur l'eau des lacs, sur le flot sombre des mers, semant des gouttes de clarte douce au hasard de ses derives... Y.Mishima -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 10 21:31:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85816 for opro ; Thu, 10 Dec 98 21:31:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913319710:10:26050:24; Thu, 10 Dec 98 19:55:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025813; 10 Dec 98 19:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05399 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:32:58 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05392 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:32:45 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zoBq7-0007K9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:33:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 98 18:54:11 GMT Message-Id: <85796@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There's a chance that the free upgrades are about to vanish from the www.beebug.com web site - so now might be a good time to get the 2.51 upgrade archive. It appears that the RTF exporter is lost without trace. It appears that the Word loader will not appear from Beebug. Beebug will sell the upgrade to 2.51 at around ukp 14. There may be a cut price offer on the Colour Supplement. And some old news, the price of OvationPro and the terms for upgrades from other packages have been changed in recent weeks. The version that ships with new copies has been changed from 2.46. All the above is subject to confirmation in the near future. (I want to make it clear that the above is not related to further development of the program. In other words don't spend the 14 quid and then expect a load of new features to appear). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 10 22:52:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85825 for opro ; Thu, 10 Dec 98 22:52:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913328491:10:05957:16; Thu, 10 Dec 98 22:21:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005363; 10 Dec 98 22:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA05722 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:59:44 GMT Received: from wide.horizon.nl (root@wide.horizon.nl [195.193.108.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05717 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:59:32 GMT Received: from xat.horizon.nl (pm03-51.horizon.nl [195.193.108.131]) by wide.horizon.nl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08014 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:00:19 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:00:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: printer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 10 Dec, Banaudo Serge wrote: > Hello, > Is the CANON printer BJC 5000 (a3/a4) a good choice > for my RPC600/OvationPro? > Which driver and where find it? (if exist!!!) It might be a good choice if you can find a printer driver for it. Check it out please with Spacetech. A far better solution in my opinion would be to go for a colour PostScript printer. Lexmark is currently offering colour inkjet printers with a resolution of 1200 x 1200 dpi with a build-in PostScript RIP. The advantage of this approach is that you can do with the standard PostScript driver that comes with RISC OS, and you would never have to worry about dot-screens and photo- realistic colours. The OptraColor 45 is an A4/A3+ printer (oversized A3) and sells in The Netherlands for around NLG 2050 +VAT (about GBP 650+VAT. Cheers, Paul Reuvers -- X-Ample Technology bv P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 10 22:52:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85826 for opro ; Thu, 10 Dec 98 22:52:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913329481:10:21039:16; Thu, 10 Dec 98 22:38:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020916; 10 Dec 98 22:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA05779 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:23:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA05774 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:23:06 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.110) [193.149.75.110] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zoEV0-0003jJ-00; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:23:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rey Cobham To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:48:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b2730f7afoxy@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: EasiWriter Pro vs Ov Pro Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Through reading some of the mailings in this group I've noticed a few of you have both Ov Pro and EasiWriter Pro. Argonet have a *Special offer* for EW Pro (for 109.95 ukp all inc) Whilst I've already spent way too much dosh since Black Thursday I'm mighty tempted to try out this much acclaimed proggie from Icon Tech. How do the 2 packages compare - what are the pros/cons? I'm still relatively new to Ovation Pro and whilst I've been impressed with it thus far, it does seem to lack a few features that were advertised (eg. automatic numbering/bulleting of lists) I have enjoyed using the software and would hope its development continues - tho' I still think St. Pilling should begin to charge for the more important upgrades. I don't expect him to be continually working on something which was not providing any returns. It would be nice to be able to see what was planned for Ov Pro in the future - it's obvious from recent posts that some decent importing and exporting features are highly desirable, and which for many is the reason for buying EW/TW Pro (being able to write MS Word formats) TTFN Rey -- The Dark Lord Of All is awaiting his sig. file Web-Site: TBA Real Soon E-Mail: foxy@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 01:14:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85839 for opro ; Fri, 11 Dec 98 01:14:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913333441:10:18650:15; Thu, 10 Dec 98 23:44:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103339; 10 Dec 98 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA06006 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:25:01 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05998 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:24:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zoFSa-0001lZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:25:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 98 23:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <85837@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EasiWriter Pro vs Ov Pro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >you have both Ov Pro and EasiWriter Pro. Argonet have a *Special offer* >How do the 2 packages compare - what are the pros/cons? I think a demo of Techwriter appears on many CD's e.g. the StrongARM one. Icon have a special offer in the current AU - price ukp 116 all inc, so not quite as good. Techwriter ukp 178. >It would be nice to be able to see what was planned for Ov Pro in the >future It would be nice to hear what Acorn had planned for the future too. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 01:14:32 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85843 for opro ; Fri, 11 Dec 98 01:14:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913333351:20:26735:15; Thu, 10 Dec 98 23:42:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026615; 10 Dec 98 23:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA06005 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:24:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05994 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:24:37 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zoFSZ-0001lZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:25:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 98 23:11:00 GMT Message-Id: <85835@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printer X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A far better solution in my opinion would be to go for >a colour PostScript printer. Lexmark is currently offering >colour inkjet printers with a resolution of 1200 x 1200 dpi >with a build-in PostScript RIP. This is a good idea. All too often though e.g. Epson it is spoilt by the PS interpreter being something that runs on a PC or Mac. So you have to be careful. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 13:18:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85863 for opro ; Fri, 11 Dec 98 13:18:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913367679:10:17221:15; Fri, 11 Dec 98 09:14:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017163; 11 Dec 98 9:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA06502 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:53:34 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06497 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:53:18 GMT Received: from [158.152.237.88] (helo=microlas) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zoOKz-0007i2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:54:13 +0000 Received: from 97.4.0.33 by microlas ([97.4.0.88] running VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP for ; MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:53:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b2aff08aandy@microlas.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 0.45m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Transparency/masks in sprites Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0 Unregistered Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Unfortunately masks in sprites seem to be interpreted by different RIPS in different ways! Both our Fiery and IPU (both driving colour copiers) have severe problems with masks in 24 bit sprites. On one machine (CLC550) transparent bits come out white but on the Fiery/CLC850 they are unpredictable in that they seem to corrupt the image with bands of colour that appear inverted. The same PS file works fine on a QMS laser printer and our Linotronic imagesetter so it appears to be RIP dependent. 8 bit sprites with masks work fine on both CLC's (that is probably why colour separations to film work). ISTR talking to Acorn about this some time back and they said that it was due to the way the PS driver rendered sprites/masks (which 'confuses the RIP') and that to solve the problem would take a major re-write of the PS driver - I can't see that happening now! So, back to Alan's original comment - if you are outputting to film the job will probably work fine but there could be problems outputting to a full colour device. Merry XMAS and a prosperous new year to you all! -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Micro Laser Designs * ACORN CENTRE OF TECHNOLOGY * 105 Midford Road * PRINTING / IMAGESETTING * Combe Down * SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINT * Bath BA2 5RX andy@microlas.demon.co.uk http://www.microlas.demon.co.uk Tel : 01225 833266 Fax : 01225 832200 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 13:18:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85868 for opro ; Fri, 11 Dec 98 13:18:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913370419:10:17253:18; Fri, 11 Dec 98 10:00:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127426; 11 Dec 98 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06689 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:32:47 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06684 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:32:35 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J57INPV1XU012S80@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:37:11 GMT +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:28:42 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: printer In-reply-to: <85835@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <63abb8b248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <85835@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > >A far better solution in my opinion would be to go for > >a colour PostScript printer. Lexmark is currently offering > >colour inkjet printers with a resolution of 1200 x 1200 dpi > >with a build-in PostScript RIP. > > This is a good idea. All too often though e.g. Epson it is spoilt > by the PS interpreter being something that runs on a PC or Mac. > So you have to be careful. > In fact a dutch acorn dealer is selling this printer, and other of the lexmark range as being perfect for riscos. They know very well how to get them work with riscos, and also say that lexmark has a good helpdesk. For more information please contact Desk: www.wirehub.nl/deskvof or info@deskvof.nl greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 13:18:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85870 for opro ; Fri, 11 Dec 98 13:18:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913382068:20:11551:19; Fri, 11 Dec 98 13:14:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011353; 11 Dec 98 13:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA06979 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:39:23 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06974 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:39:08 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zoRs7-0001pO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:40:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:40:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: !TransTiff To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <48b150d2e3charlton@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 08 Dec, Bob Charlton wrote: > In article , > Liam Gretton wrote: > > Does anyone know if ImageFS2 is still being developed? > It was before the acorn fiasco - they upgraded mine to v2.36 - but to > do it they had to have the original disc back. But 2.36 is dated April 1997! Has there really been no development since then? -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 14:30:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85874 for opro ; Fri, 11 Dec 98 14:30:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913385658:10:19069:19; Fri, 11 Dec 98 14:14:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018951; 11 Dec 98 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA07134 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:37:23 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07129 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:37:06 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J57R6Q16L000ZDWR@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:41:35 GMT +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:37:25 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: !TransTiff In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <7870cfb248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Liam Gretton wrote: > On Tue 08 Dec, Bob Charlton wrote: > > In article , > > Liam Gretton wrote: > > > Does anyone know if ImageFS2 is still being developed? > > It was before the acorn fiasco - they upgraded mine to v2.36 - but to > > do it they had to have the original disc back. > > But 2.36 is dated April 1997! Has there really been no development since > then? > there was a newsposting on csa.announce i think, or one of the other csa.*s that there is still developing in ImageFS2, and by the way, they are involved in Avante also, so that consumes also quite some time i guess. I think you need a bit more patience and they will tell the world about it ;-) greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 18:21:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85891 for opro ; Fri, 11 Dec 98 18:21:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913398243:20:01500:32; Fri, 11 Dec 98 17:44:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124246; 11 Dec 98 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA07389 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:09:20 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07384 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:09:06 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA11545 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:10:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199812111710.SAA11545@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 11 Dec 1998 09:42:40 GMT Subject: Re: Transparency/masks in sprites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] > Anybody else given this a go to see what you get? I would appreciate > it. > 32k and 16M sprites have their mask printed in white with level 1 and 2 Acorn PostScript (printed from !Draw). Colour depths below print o.k. Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 20:10:54 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85893 for opro ; Fri, 11 Dec 98 20:10:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913400670:10:24913:19; Fri, 11 Dec 98 18:24:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024836; 11 Dec 98 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA07518 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:03:09 GMT Received: from wide.horizon.nl (root@wide.horizon.nl [195.193.108.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07513 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:02:53 GMT Received: from xat.horizon.nl (pm03-07.horizon.nl [195.193.108.87]) by wide.horizon.nl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA03371 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:03:52 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:03:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: printer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <63abb8b248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 11 Dec, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In fact a dutch acorn dealer is selling this printer, and other of the > lexmark range as being perfect for riscos. They know very well how to > get them work with riscos, and also say that lexmark has a good helpdesk. > For more information please contact Desk: > www.wirehub.nl/deskvof or info@deskvof.nl Also available from us (see address below) Cheers, Paul Reuvers -- Acorn Dealer and Distributor X-Ample Technology bv P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 20:10:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85894 for opro ; Fri, 11 Dec 98 20:10:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913400985:20:28498:15; Fri, 11 Dec 98 18:29:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028439; 11 Dec 98 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA07542 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:08:11 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (root@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07535 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:07:58 GMT Received: from mbax8ss2 (pm1-20.mcc.ac.uk [194.66.22.20]) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA08364 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:16:46 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:59:00 +0000 From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Computer Writer, Techie and CS Student X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Paul Reuvers wrote: > On Thu 10 Dec, Banaudo Serge wrote: > > Hello, > > Is the CANON printer BJC 5000 (a3/a4) a good choice > > for my RPC600/OvationPro? > > Which driver and where find it? (if exist!!!) > It might be a good choice if you can find a printer driver for > it. Check it out please with Spacetech. The Canon BJC printers are wonderful printers. That would be my recomendation. Regards Sam -- Sam Smith Admin, Friends Spoiler List <> Columnist, Archive Magazine mailto:sams@techie.com : http://www.man.compsoc.org.uk/~sams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 12 02:08:58 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85915 for opro ; Sat, 12 Dec 98 02:08:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913419580:20:25524:21; Fri, 11 Dec 98 23:39:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113603; 11 Dec 98 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA08051 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:12:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA08046 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:11:54 GMT Received: from (193.149.90.29) [193.149.90.29] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zobjz-0001t7-00; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:12:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:45:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b2eba169charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !TransTiff In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Liam Gretton wrote: > But 2.36 is dated April 1997! Has there really been no development > since then? Well I was simply presenting the facts as were portrayed to me. All it cost me was a First Class stamp and a quick telephone call to Glasgow 25 miles up the road. I had been using the same version for about 2 years and it was if I remember correctly version 2.30. As far as I was concerned they treated me very well and were both obliging and courteous. I was prepared to pay but they said the upgrade would be free. If they are busy working on other Acorn projects good. More power to their elbows. At least they didn't throw in the towel quite as quick as Computer Concepts who were there one minute 'firing on all cylinders' and then overnight almost it seemed left their loyal customers with barely a 'by your leave...' I know with which I prefer to deal. Sorry you are so downcast. I'll pick you up the next time I pass if I remember...;) commiserations... -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 12 14:41:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85929 for opro ; Sat, 12 Dec 98 14:41:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913458969:20:16983:16; Sat, 12 Dec 98 10:36:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101587; 12 Dec 98 10:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA08541 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:25:41 GMT Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com (arl-img-7.compuserve.com [149.174.217.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08536 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:25:07 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id FAA04711 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 05:25:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 05:25:21 -0500 From: Eddie Lord Subject: Re: EasiWriter Pro vs Ov Pro To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199812120525_MC2-635A-E4CE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA08537 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB08541 Hi >you have both Ov Pro and EasiWriter Pro. Argonet have a *Special offer* >How do the 2 packages compare - what are the pros/cons? >Icon have a special offer in the current AU - price ukp 116 all inc, so not >quite as good. Techwriter ukp 178. I have a copy of TechWriter v2.16 for sale, any offers? =A335 perhaps? Eddie EddieLord@compuserve.com=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 12 14:41:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85930 for opro ; Sat, 12 Dec 98 14:41:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913459166:20:18725:16; Sat, 12 Dec 98 10:39:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018659; 12 Dec 98 10:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA08535 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:25:03 GMT Received: from dub-img-12.compuserve.com (dub-img-12.compuserve.com [149.174.206.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08530 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:24:45 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id FAA05458 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 05:25:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 05:25:23 -0500 From: Eddie Lord Subject: Re: !TransTiff To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199812120525_MC2-635A-E4D0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA08531 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Liam Gretton wrote: > But 2.36 is dated April 1997! Has there really been no development > since then? Have just had a e-mail from Graham Borland ( gborland@apsoft.co.uk) Alternative Publishing Ltd, saying they are working on the product & " . . . expect announcements early next year". What more could you want... mind you, they said something similar at last years Acorn show..........!!! Eddie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:28:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85965 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:28:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913575252:20:10482:16; Sun, 13 Dec 98 18:54:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123675; 13 Dec 98 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10452 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:29:33 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10447 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:29:20 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpGHz-0001k3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:30:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:02:44 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Memory for Fonts full problem To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Minor panic in the offing... I have designed a 4 page A4 booklet, to be printed using the pamphlet option. However, when I try printing, I get the "area reserved for fonts is full" error message. Using the Font list applet shows that there are some fonts being loaded for the document although I do not use them any more. I increased the font cache from 256k to 1020k (the maximum) and tried again- same message. I tried setting it to 0k; same problem- and worse, because the screeen took ages to redraw. Also, having set the font cache to 0k, I went through each page and changed everything to trinity font. However, when I tried saving the document, I got another fatal error "insufficient memory at line 1 in macro", which led to a freeze. The font cache limit is set to 0k. (I haven't changed that.) The machine itself has 66mb of ram/vram- so where am I going wrong? Many huge grateful thanks in advance- I need this printed for Tuesday! -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:28:17 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85964 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:28:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913567039:10:08407:17; Sun, 13 Dec 98 16:37:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117273; 13 Dec 98 16:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10122 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:05:54 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10117 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:05:41 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpE2x-0000l0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:07:04 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:06:58 GMT Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:58:34 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: type 5s and palettes Message-ID: <928adeb348%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Why is it that OP always suffers a type 5 bomb out if you try to move the Page, Colour and Style palettes on the button bar? Or is it just me? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:28:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85966 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:28:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913578944:20:17721:21; Sun, 13 Dec 98 19:55:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017520; 13 Dec 98 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA10614 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:33:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA10609 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:33:30 GMT Received: from (rayd) [194.69.109.233] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zpHI6-0001J5-00; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:34:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro Support Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:56:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b3eed9earayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Memory for Fonts full problem In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > I have designed a 4 page A4 booklet, to be printed using the pamphlet > option. However, when I try printing, I get the "area reserved for fonts > is full" error message. Using the Font list applet shows that there are > some fonts being loaded for the document although I do not use them any > more. Try saving the document out as a DDL file and load that into Ovation Pro. I've found this works when I get documents that play up. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:28:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85967 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:28:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913567893:10:15946:24; Sun, 13 Dec 98 16:51:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015896; 13 Dec 98 16:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10206 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:33:33 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10200 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:33:17 GMT Received: from [194.222.132.205] (helo=beebware.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpETd-0001TT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:34:37 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:20:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199812112315.XAA08060@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post does not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Warning-1: Sending mail to this address indicates acceptance of X-Warning-2: our Acceptable Use Policy which is on public display X-Warning-3: on our website and via our autoresponder. X-Autoresponder: info@beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 11 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > There's a chance that the free upgrades are about to vanish from the > www.beebug.com web site - so now might be a good time to get the 2.51 > upgrade archive. I'm willing to host the upgrades on my website if necessary . > It appears that the RTF exporter is lost without trace. Shame. Is there any chance of anyone writing a DDL>RTF convertor then? > It appears that the Word loader will not appear from Beebug. Ah, big problemo for me. The current word loader that I have - !TransWord (don't know it's version number as it doesn't appear to have one) complains about Word files I give it ('too late a version' or something) so I have to use !AntiWord (0.27 - ) but that doesn't copy over any formatting information. > Beebug will sell the upgrade to 2.51 at around ukp 14. So they are practically 'jumping ship' but still expect to make money from a deserted market? > There may be a cut price offer on the Colour Supplement. Yes! I might buy it then. Richy C. -- ______ .sig sadly passed away on the night of the / \ __________ 11th of December 1998 leaving a .wo-sig and | .sig | / \ two little .sig-lits. Condolences can be sent to | |/ \ sig_family@beebware.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:28:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85970 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:28:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913580139:10:03094:17; Sun, 13 Dec 98 20:15:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002867; 13 Dec 98 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA10673 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:53:53 GMT Received: from andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.147]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10667 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:53:40 GMT Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk by andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA29621; Sun, 13 Dec 1 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:54:21 +0000 (GMT) From: John Woodthorpe Subject: Re: Memory for Fonts full problem To: Ovation Pro Support cc: paul@krowdrah.demon.co.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 13 Dec, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Minor panic in the offing... > > I have designed a 4 page A4 booklet, to be printed using the pamphlet > option. > However, when I try printing, I get the "area reserved for fonts is full" > error message. > Using the Font list applet shows that there are some fonts being loaded for > the document although I do not use them any more. > > I increased the font cache from 256k to 1020k (the maximum) and tried again- > same message. I tried setting it to 0k; same problem- and worse, because > the screeen took ages to redraw. > > Also, having set the font cache to 0k, I went through each page and > changed everything to trinity font. However, when I tried saving the > document, I got another fatal error > "insufficient memory at line 1 in macro", which led to a freeze. > > The font cache limit is set to 0k. (I haven't changed that.) The machine > itself has 66mb of ram/vram- so where am I going wrong? > > Many huge grateful thanks in advance- I need this printed for Tuesday! > > > This sounds hugely familiar (the error message and the time pressure!) I found that some of my fonts are a little "naughty" and are conspiring with OvPro to produce this (i.e. no other application and only a few fonts combine to cause it). Check your fonts for some (probably PD) that you are using in oblique. I now do the following: 1. Hide all my fonts to a directory the filer won't "see" 2. Reboot 3. Load the file into OvPro, letting it reflow all the fonts to new ones (and noting the ones it wants at the same time). It helps to disable the Auto Save at this point!!! 4. Try printing the document. 5. If that prints without complaining, then you can put all the fonts back, apart from the oblique ones (italic ones seem OK in my experience) and try again from step 2. 6. If that works too, then one of your oblique fonts is dodgy in some way. I found that Ladybird and Revue (sources unknown) have done it for me. I used MkOblique 1.18 (by Martyn Rose, from an AU Cover Disc in 1993 - I think) to rebuild them and the error has gone away. Let me know and I'll email it to you as it seems to be PD. N.B. Even if the font is no longer used in the document, it may still be used, and hence loaded into the template or the document itself. Of course, none of that may be the case for you, but it's got me out a few nasty moments! Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:28:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85973 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:28:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913580837:10:09337:22; Sun, 13 Dec 98 20:27:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101071; 13 Dec 98 20:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA10774 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:03:05 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10765 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:02:50 GMT Received: from [158.152.168.105] (helo=tywyn.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpHkS-0006RG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:04:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:59:02 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Phil Williams Subject: Re: Memory for Fonts full problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Earlier, P Hutton wrote >Dear all > >Minor panic in the offing... > >I have designed a 4 page A4 booklet, to be printed using the pamphlet >option. >However, when I try printing, I get the "area reserved for fonts is full" >error message. I've had this error when using Impression Publisher and found that one of the fonts was corrupt. Changing the font used for something similar cured the problem .... Hope this helps. Phil Williams -- ____ __ __ _____ __ Mosquito Squadron CB Club / __ \____ / /_/ /____ ____ / ___/____ ____/ / Tywyn REVCOM, and Cambrian / /_/ / __ \/ __/ __/ _ \/ __ \\__ \/ __ \/ __ / Friends of the Handicapped / __ / /_/ / /_/ /_/ __/ / / /__/ / /_/ / /_/ / http://www.tywyn.demon.co.uk /_/ \_\____/\__/\__/\___/_/ /_/____/\____/\____/ (RottenSod@tywyn.demon.co.uk) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:28:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85976 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:28:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913599280:10:15964:15; Mon, 14 Dec 98 01:34:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104779; 14 Dec 98 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA11361 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:03:09 GMT Received: from redback.cobweb.com.au (redback.cobweb.com.au [203.28.57.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11356 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:02:53 GMT Received: from bmcelroy.cobweb.com.au (p107.cobweb.com.au [203.26.231.107]) by redback.cobweb.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA10562 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:32:34 +0930 (ACST) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:32:42 +1030 (GMT) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: PostScript printing problem To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Monday 14 December 1998, 10:40 PostScript printing problem ================ Thanks to Graham Jones' brilliant port of GhostScript 5 I seem to have found the answer to a current publishing job. I want to provide a PDF file for the printer. My remaining problem is the reproduction of Sprite and TIFF images. I get a series of short vertical line segments across the image when I print via Acrobat on a PC. A bit like seeing the image through a bead curtain! These do not appear on the same scanned pics loaded as JPEG, but of course the definition quality is poor. I have tried printing the same images from EasiWriter Pro using PoScript2 (& PoScript1) with the same effect. Saving as a PS from EW Pro gives the same result as one might expect. All of which suggests to me that the Acorn printers I am using (v 1.54) Am I doing something wrong? Is there a solution? Regards Barrie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:29:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85978 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:28:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913601434:10:02083:17; Mon, 14 Dec 98 02:10:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125214; 14 Dec 98 2:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA11453 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:42:11 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11447 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:41:55 GMT Received: from johnb.ihug.co.nz (p8-max18.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.72]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:21:10 +1300 (GMT) From: John Brown Subject: Re: Memory for Fonts full problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Brown, Auckland, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 14 Dec, Phil Williams wrote: > Earlier, P Hutton wrote > >Dear all > > > >Minor panic in the offing... > > > >I have designed a 4 page A4 booklet, to be printed using the pamphlet > >option. > >However, when I try printing, I get the "area reserved for fonts is full" > >error message. > > I've had this error when using Impression Publisher and found that one > of the fonts was corrupt. Changing the font used for something similar > cured the problem .... I too have had this same problem with both Impression and OvationPro and tracked it down also to PD fonts or to CC's turbo drivers. Where it was purely a font problem the fault, more often than not, was due to a single oversized character. In the days when I could be bothered, use of DP's !D2Font put the problem right - now I just delete the entire font!!! Cheers John Brown Whose opinions are his own: the club cannot be held responsible. -- J.M.A. Brown |Sec/Treas Acorn Users Auckland 35 Laurie Ave |http://shell.ihug.co.nz/~snookums/welcome.html Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610,StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:29:06 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85980 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:29:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913637364:20:27203:36; Mon, 14 Dec 98 12:09:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027004; 14 Dec 98 12:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11962 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:54:26 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11957 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:54:07 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:54:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:53:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b44678faC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: CD Labels & Templates In-Reply-To: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26ABF782@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26ABF782@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk>, "REEVES-HALL, PC" wrote: > Has anyone produced OVpro templates for the HP sicky cd labels. > ( they are 3 to an A4 sheet and have a stock number of CD6000A or > CD3000A depending on the packet quantity (60 or 30 !)) > If not, no worry, I will make a template soon.... > .......Which WWW site should I dontate it too & how ? An obvious place to put them is on my site, which already has a range of document templates among other things. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:29:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85982 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:29:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913640723:20:05109:32; Mon, 14 Dec 98 13:05:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004870; 14 Dec 98 13:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA12190 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:02:53 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12185 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:02:34 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03204 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:02:40 GMT Received: from primrose (phrvn@primrose [137.205.192.26]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17985 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:46:00 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:45:37 +0000 (BST) From: Nick Kaijaks To: Ovation Pro List Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Barrie McElroy wrote: > My remaining problem is the reproduction of Sprite and TIFF images. I > get a series of short vertical line segments across the image when I > print via Acrobat on a PC. A bit like seeing the image through a > bead curtain! These do not appear on the same scanned pics loaded as > JPEG, but of course the definition quality is poor. I'm not certain, but it sounds like a fault of the way the Acorn PS drivers work - images are always encoded as a series of strips, and it sounds like you're 'seeing the joins' when it's converted to PDF. You can probably see the same in a GhostScript preview. In my experience it's only been a problem at screen resolutions - imagesetter output looks fine, as does the result of importing direct into Adobe Illustrator 7. When I've produced PDFs using Acrobat Distiller, I've not noticed it as a problem, but then again, I don't think I've ever tried printing from Acrobat Reader, so maybe I've just been lucky and ignorant ;-) What PDF are you using to produce your PS? (Here PDF means Acorn Printer Definition File - damn TLAs...) If it's the Acorn 'generic Level 1 or 2' PDF, it produces only 300dpi output, which is never going to give good results. You might be luckier if you use a higher resolution and halftone screen, such as from the Linotype 200 PDF. That might give Distiller a better chance of 'blurring the joins' when it resamples the images. HTH, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ for internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:29:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85981 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:29:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913629410:10:06271:15; Mon, 14 Dec 98 09:56:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006138; 14 Dec 98 9:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA11753 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:11:23 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11748 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:11:05 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA28654 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:10:54 GMT Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA30020; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:09:53 GMT Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3322) id <01J5BM4LF84G0017B7@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:06:06 GMT Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:04:29 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:04:29 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:04:33 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:04:33 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:04:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Spots and separations To: ovation mailinglist Message-Id: <1229040914121998/A00503/CAUV40/11CC72441A00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11CC72441A00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;1229040914121998/A00503/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have been experimenting with using spot colours and separations, with some strange results. I am using Opro 2.51, colour supplement to match (both downloaded last Friday), RiscOS 3.7, Strongarm, 20MBytes main memory, 1MB VRAM, printers 1.54, Canon BJC4650, with Spacetech supplied drivers. The driver in use is the one for normal paper, not photo-real. The following seems to be the situation: Selecting View - Options - Separations, and choosing one plate displays just that colour. Selecting separations in the printer panel, and choosing a single plate still prints all four colours. Selecting Spot Black (defined as CMYK, K=100%, others=0) displays all colours, and prints all colours. Selecting process black displays just the parts of the page which use process black, not the parts using spot black. I note from the manual on colour supplement that separations and spot colours are covered in the section on Postscript printing. Does this mean that they only work if the printer is Postscript? -- Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:29:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85983 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:29:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913641253:20:11536:16; Mon, 14 Dec 98 13:14:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109775; 14 Dec 98 13:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA12126 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:41:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12121 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:40:48 GMT Received: from [158.152.237.88] (helo=microlas) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpWMo-00064y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:40:48 +0000 Received: from 97.4.0.33 by microlas ([97.4.0.88] running VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP for ; MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:40:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b44ac196andy@microlas.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 0.45m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem In-Reply-To: <3674E09A.D9723FFD@sharp.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0 Unregistered Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <3674E09A.D9723FFD@sharp.co.uk>, Graham Jones wrote: > My understanding of this problem is that the Acorn printer driver outputs > images to postscript in small square chunks. Unless the postscript is > interpreted perfectly you may see vertical or even horizontal bars > > breaking up the image (just as you are seeing). That is unfortunately correct. Sprites are output in small chunks which someone at Acorn once said was something to do with their method of enabling PostScript to handle masks. (Which also causes problems - see other threads!) The 'grids' appear when the PostScript interpreter fails to align the small chunks correctly. Some perform faultlessly, others have problems. When sending the file to a printer, different makes give different results! The reason that JPEGs work under Level 2 is that the JPEG itself is sent in the file as one whole image which the RIP then decompresses and renders hence no problems. This is only supported by applications that handle JPEGS natively, ie !Draw, !OPro. (It won't work in Impression) > Unfortunately I haven't ever heard of a solution to this. I haven't seen > this problem myself recently except when !PDF tries to read Acorn > > > > > postscript converted to PDF, and then a couple of the block have > problems > but mostly the image looks fine. The only work around we have found that SOMETIMES helps if you have this problem is to try rescaling the image slightly, but it really is trial and error. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Micro Laser Designs * ACORN CENTRE OF TECHNOLOGY * 105 Midford Road * PRINTING / IMAGESETTING * Combe Down * FULL COLOUR LASER PRINTING * Bath BA2 5RX * SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINT * andy@microlas.demon.co.uk http://www.microlas.demon.co.uk Tel : 01225 833266 Fax : 01225 832200 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:29:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85984 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:29:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913631869:10:01884:15; Mon, 14 Dec 98 10:37:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001594; 14 Dec 98 10:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA11833 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:55:29 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11827 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:55:15 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10467 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:47:05 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA23760; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:51:52 GMT Message-ID: <3674E09A.D9723FFD@sharp.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:55:38 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Barrie McElroy wrote: > PostScript printing problem > My remaining problem is the reproduction of Sprite and TIFF images. I > get a series of short vertical line segments across the image when I > print via Acrobat on a PC. My understanding of this problem is that the Acorn printer driver outputs images to postscript in small square chunks. Unless the postscript is interpreted perfectly you may see vertical or even horizontal bars breaking up the image (just as you are seeing). Unfortunately I haven't ever heard of a solution to this. I haven't seen this problem myself recently except when !PDF tries to read Acorn postscript converted to PDF, and then a couple of the block have problems but mostly the image looks fine. There is some wisdom 'out there' that older versions of the !Printers are better, for publishing use, than the newer versions. We currently use a copy of v1.22 (I think) for all our publishing work. Maybe trying earlier versions of !Printers will help you. Sorry I can't help more. Graham. -- Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:29:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85986 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:29:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913636104:10:11432:20; Mon, 14 Dec 98 11:48:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011205; 14 Dec 98 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11929 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:39:36 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA11924 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:39:16 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zpVPN-00062a-00; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:39:21 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zpVPL-0003Tr-00; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:39:19 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:39:18 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26ABF782@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: CD Labels & Templates Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:39:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, Has anyone produced OVpro templates for the HP sicky cd labels. ( they are 3 to an A4 sheet and have a stock number of CD6000A or CD3000A depending on the packet quantity (60 or 30 !)) If not, no worry, I will make a template soon.... .......Which WWW site should I dontate it too & how ? (I've already done some Jewel case insert templates as well...!) Thanks, Peter Reeves-Hall -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:29:32 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85987 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:29:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913648889:20:07411:17; Mon, 14 Dec 98 15:21:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106257; 14 Dec 98 15:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA12788 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:49:25 GMT Received: from 195.8.74.207 (baglanit.claranet.co.uk [195.8.74.207]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA12783 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:49:07 GMT Received: from baglanit.org.uk (97.1.0.16) by baglan_in.baglanit.org.uk (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:30:40 +0000 Message-ID: <367147EF.F7ABC430@baglanit.org.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:27:28 +0000 From: John Mills Organization: Baglan IT Centre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EasiWriter Pro vs Ov Pro References: <48b2730f7afoxy@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB12788 Rey Cobham wrote: > Through reading some of the mailings in this group I've noticed a few o= f > you have both Ov Pro and EasiWriter Pro. Argonet have a *Special offer= * > for EW Pro (for 109.95 ukp all inc) I've just received Iota's Christmas catalogue showing that EW Pro 4.08 ca= n be had for =A399 + p&p. Good idea for a Chrissie Pressie? John Mills Baglan IT Centre (http://www.baglanit.org.uk) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:29:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85989 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:29:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913650642:20:26960:17; Mon, 14 Dec 98 15:50:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026267; 14 Dec 98 15:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12906 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:20:35 GMT Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA12901 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:20:23 GMT Received: from camelot.u-net.com [194.119.172.161] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zpZne-0003U6-00; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:20:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:22:57 +0000 (GMT) From: john Subject: Printing Jpegs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I used to be able to print pages containing JPEG images but since upgrading to 2.51 it does not work anymore. I know this has been covered before, because I seem to remember doing something to 2.46, but can you remind me of the fix please? Incidentally, I can print JPEGs from Draw OK. -- From the Birkenshaw household, Cranleigh -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 18:30:04 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85994 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:29:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913657694:20:17973:16; Mon, 14 Dec 98 17:48:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017804; 14 Dec 98 17:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA13175 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:15:37 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13170 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:15:20 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-47.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.178] with SMTP for id SAA01485 (8.8.8/1.10); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:15:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:02:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48b44ac196andy@microlas.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Mon 14 Dec, Andrew J Bissex wrote: > In article <3674E09A.D9723FFD@sharp.co.uk>, > Graham Jones wrote: > > > My understanding of this problem is that the Acorn printer driver outputs > > images to postscript in small square chunks. Unless the postscript is > > interpreted perfectly you may see vertical or even horizontal bars > > > breaking up the image (just as you are seeing). > > That is unfortunately correct. Sprites are output in small chunks which > someone at Acorn once said was something to do with their method of > enabling PostScript to handle masks. (Which also causes problems - see > other threads!) > > The 'grids' appear when the PostScript interpreter fails to align the > small chunks correctly. Some perform faultlessly, others have problems. > When sending the file to a printer, different makes give different results! > > The reason that JPEGs work under Level 2 is that the JPEG itself is sent > in the file as one whole image which the RIP then decompresses and renders > hence no problems. This is only supported by applications that handle > JPEGS natively, ie !Draw, !OPro. (It won't work in Impression) RiScript Pro shows both JPEGs and Sprites cut in small rectangles. Size 32 x 64 pixels. I've used Draw>PS2>RiScript Pro and then Draw again on a SARPC. GhostScript 5.1 (Thank you Graham) +GView makes one complete sprite of it but it can only export sprites so that is to be expected. So I guess it depends on the kind of RIP as well whether the JPEG is cut in chunks or not. The quality (compression) of the exported JPEG can be changed to 100% in David Pilling's scanning software, will that solve the problem of Barrie? It could be that GhostScript does pick up the JPEG in the Acorn PS2 file as one whole image and give the result Barry saw. The PD version RiScript shows the rectangles too and normally drowns before finishing the image. > > Unfortunately I haven't ever heard of a solution to this. I haven't seen > > this problem myself recently except when !PDF tries to read Acorn > > > > > > postscript converted to PDF, and then a couple of the block have > > problems > but mostly the image looks fine. > > The only work around we have found that SOMETIMES helps if you have this > problem is to try rescaling the image slightly, but it really is trial and > error. In ArtWorks different zoomfactors show vertical gaps or no gaps on screen between the rectangles. The object/sprite information doesn't show differences in the placing of the sprites though. ArtWorks becomes extremely slow when it has to handle that kind of images. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net The companies Phillips and Cannon assure you that their spelling checkers are Milenium proof. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 20:48:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86010 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 20:48:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913663261:20:25880:19; Mon, 14 Dec 98 19:21:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025734; 14 Dec 98 19:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA13433 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:00:26 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA13428 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:00:13 GMT Received: from modem-74.carafate.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.56.202] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpdEE-0002D6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:00:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:38:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Allen Subject: Transformed JPEGs plotting?? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, On hearing that I may be able to get better PDF files from Ghostscript if I used JPEGS instead of sprites in Ovation, I converted the Draw files to Sprites to JPEGs. On trying to rotate a JPEG I got the following error:- "Transformed JPEG plotting is not supported by this version of the SpriteExtend module" I now can't get back into my document. Any ideas? -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.evanallen.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 22:36:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86054 for opro ; Mon, 14 Dec 98 22:36:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913672489:10:26993:27; Mon, 14 Dec 98 21:54:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113931; 14 Dec 98 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA13625 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:30:01 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13620 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:29:45 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-69.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.200] with SMTP for id WAA15640 (8.8.8/1.10); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:29:54 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:25:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 14 Dec, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > In on Mon 14 Dec, Andrew J Bissex wrote: > > In article <3674E09A.D9723FFD@sharp.co.uk>, > > Graham Jones wrote: > > > > > My understanding of this problem is that the Acorn printer driver outputs > > > images to postscript in small square chunks. Unless the postscript is > > > interpreted perfectly you may see vertical or even horizontal bars > > > > breaking up the image (just as you are seeing). > > > > That is unfortunately correct. Sprites are output in small chunks which > > someone at Acorn once said was something to do with their method of > > enabling PostScript to handle masks. (Which also causes problems - see > > other threads!) > > > > The 'grids' appear when the PostScript interpreter fails to align the > > small chunks correctly. Some perform faultlessly, others have problems. > > When sending the file to a printer, different makes give different results! > > > > The reason that JPEGs work under Level 2 is that the JPEG itself is sent > > in the file as one whole image which the RIP then decompresses and renders > > hence no problems. This is only supported by applications that handle > > JPEGS natively, ie !Draw, !OPro. (It won't work in Impression) > > RiScript Pro shows both JPEGs and Sprites cut in small rectangles. > Size 32 x 64 pixels. I've used Draw>PS2>RiScript Pro and then Draw > again on a SARPC. Sorry, Forgotten that ImageFS also interfered. So my conclusion was wrong. It is correct that applications that use JPEGs natively don't produce Acorn PS files with the image in small chunks. Used both Draw and Ovation Pro with a 100% JPEG and Printer Manager 1.53 PS2 to get one whole image. Using GhostScript 5.1 produced a PDF that also showed one whole image in both !PDF and !RiScript Pro and the same in the exported Drawfiles. So that is solved. Andrew had it right. The thick lines problem remains. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net The companies Phillips and Cannon assure you that their spelling checkers are Milenium proof. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 01:37:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86056 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 01:37:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913677392:20:11849:16; Mon, 14 Dec 98 23:16:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110266; 14 Dec 98 23:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA13858 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:52:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13838 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:52:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpgqn-00078j-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:52:25 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 22:19:12 GMT Message-Id: <86048@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm willing to host the upgrades on my website if necessary No, we're not short of space. Their idea is to make you pay. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 01:37:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86058 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 01:37:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913678745:20:26636:15; Mon, 14 Dec 98 23:39:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026511; 14 Dec 98 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA13859 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:53:07 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13842 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:52:17 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpgqp-00078j-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:52:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 22:23:18 GMT Message-Id: <86050@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spots and separations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Selecting separations in the printer panel, and choosing a single plate >still prints all four colours. No it doesn't. >Selecting process black displays just the parts of the page which use >process black, not the parts using spot black. As you'd expect. >I note from the manual on colour supplement that separations and spot >colours are covered in the section on Postscript printing. Does this mean >that they only work if the printer is Postscript? No. They work with any printer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 01:37:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86059 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 01:37:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913678645:10:02817:16; Mon, 14 Dec 98 23:37:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002685; 14 Dec 98 23:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA13855 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:52:54 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13834 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:52:13 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpgqm-00078j-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:52:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 21:36:35 GMT Message-Id: <86046@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: type 5s and palettes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Why is it that OP always suffers a type 5 bomb out if you try to move the >Page, Colour and Style palettes on the button bar? There was some sort of fascinating bug in the OS 'drag a sprite' call. Should be worked around in 2.51 (and should be documented in the notes with the 2.51 upgrade) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 01:37:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86060 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 01:37:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913679478:20:05402:15; Mon, 14 Dec 98 23:51:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124826; 14 Dec 98 23:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA13860 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:53:07 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13845 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:52:18 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpgqq-00078j-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:52:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 22:27:52 GMT Message-Id: <86052@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Jpegs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I used to be able to print pages containing JPEG images but since >upgrading to 2.51 it does not work anymore I quote... >Beware the problem that CC drivers have with JPEG's. You've got to >enable prescan passes from OvationPro. >i.e. change >printchoices2(17,0,0,0); >in AutoRun.!Choices to >printchoices2(8|17,0,0,0); David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 13:55:31 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86081 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 13:55:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913726612:20:09829:15; Tue, 15 Dec 98 12:56:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111404; 15 Dec 98 12:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA14764 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:24:41 GMT Received: from ihgw2.lucent.com (ihgw2.lucent.com [207.19.48.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA14759 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:24:24 GMT Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com by ihig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id GAA28608; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:12:27 -0600 Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:24:22 -0000 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F437A0C2@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: News Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:24:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, one remark; to ease support, bug reporting, documentation and the like, all punters should be encouraged to use [or upgrade to] the same base version. So what baseline version (preferably freely downloadable) should each user aim for? Otherwise there will be many versions in the field, running many printer drivers on many machines... I thought the suggested price was odd; too small to make it worth collecting and too small to suggest a significant functional upgrade. Big enough to suppress upgrades and proliferate versions in the field! Christopher I Howe Bath UK > ---------- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 14 December 1998 22:19 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: News > > > >I'm willing to host the upgrades on my website if necessary > > No, we're not short of space. Their idea is to make you pay. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 17:28:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86093 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 17:28:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913734331:10:12187:15; Tue, 15 Dec 98 15:05:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125604; 15 Dec 98 15:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA14941 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:34:31 GMT Received: from amalthea.salford.ac.uk (amalthea.salford.ac.uk [146.87.255.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA14936 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:34:15 GMT Received: (qmail 9569 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 14:34:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19981215143434.9568.qmail@amalthea.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 9563 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 14:34:34 -0000 Received: from ais-w2-177.salford.ac.uk (HELO 0080C8533A85) (146.87.242.177) by amalthea.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 14:34:34 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Peter Daniel" Organization: University of Salford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:36:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: AW quality applet In-reply-to: <199812081710.SAA13659@linteuto.teuto.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I use the AW quality applet, but I was wondering if the default setting could be changed from 'normal' to 'anti-aliasing'? Any ideas on how this could be done? Thanks, Peter. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit my web-site: http://compsoc.man.ac.uk/~ulkesh/peter/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 18:05:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86105 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 18:05:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913744775:10:27533:15; Tue, 15 Dec 98 17:59:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1113818; 15 Dec 98 17:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA15230 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:30:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA15225 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:30:27 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpyIz-0005VP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:30:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 14:00:20 GMT Message-Id: <86088@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So what baseline version (preferably freely downloadable) should each user >aim for? 2.51. >Otherwise there will be many versions in the field, running many >printer drivers on many machines... I agree, with hindsight 2.46 has a lot of nasty bugs in. You'd have to be mad not to use a later version. >I thought the suggested price was odd; too small to make it worth collecting >and too small to suggest a significant functional upgrade. Big enough to >suppress upgrades and proliferate versions in the field! Hmm. well. Not my decision. The powers that be move in mysterious ways, ours is not to comprehend nor reason why (or whatever). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 18:50:31 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86108 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 18:50:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913745450:20:29197:24; Tue, 15 Dec 98 18:10:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108047; 15 Dec 98 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA15301 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:49:18 GMT Received: from poseidon.tcp.net.uk (poseidon.tcp.net.uk [195.80.0.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA15296 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:49:07 GMT Received: from thouky.tcp.co.uk (en1-200.du.tcp.co.uk [195.80.1.200]) by poseidon.tcp.net.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA29170 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:49:26 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:21:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Alexander Thoukydides Subject: Re: AW quality applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <19981215143434.9568.qmail@amalthea.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: As little as possible X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Tue 15 Dec, Peter Daniel wrote: > I use the AW quality applet, but I was wondering if the default > setting could be changed from 'normal' to 'anti-aliasing'? Any ideas > on how this could be done? Add "awsetwysiwyg(110);" to !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom after the "olesetup(1,0,0,0);" line. -- -- Alexander Thoukydides E-mail: -- Bournemouth, England WWW: .... Accept that some days you're the pigeon, .... and some days you're the statue. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 21:05:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86120 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 21:05:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913750095:10:25369:15; Tue, 15 Dec 98 19:28:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103243; 15 Dec 98 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA15558 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:10:21 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA15553 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:10:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zpzrS-0003wh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:10:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 18:51:33 GMT Message-Id: <86110@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: AW quality applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I use the AW quality applet, but I was wondering if the default >> setting could be changed from 'normal' to 'anti-aliasing'? Any ideas >> on how this could be done? >Add "awsetwysiwyg(110);" to !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom after the >"olesetup(1,0,0,0);" line. Might be cleaner to create an Autorun directory inside !Quality and insert a script file in that with the contents; void main(void) { awsetwysiwyg(110); } Because if you stick the line in !Custom and then disable the Artworks applet, things will come unstuck. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 21:05:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86118 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 21:05:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913753393:20:09497:16; Tue, 15 Dec 98 20:23:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104154; 15 Dec 98 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA15722 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:04:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA15717 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:04:40 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.243) [194.69.101.243] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zq0iJ-0000lC-00; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:05:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr K J Baxendale) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 20:03:05 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Printing Jpegs Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 14 Dec 98 (22:27:52), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>I used to be able to print pages containing JPEG images but since >>upgrading to 2.51 it does not work anymore > >I quote... > >Beware the problem that CC drivers have with JPEG's. You've got to >enable prescan passes from OvationPro. >i.e. change >printchoices2(17,0,0,0); >in AutoRun.!Choices to >printchoices2(8|17,0,0,0); > >David Pilling I had trouble printing a JPeg the other day (Via Turbodrivers from 2.51) which I had saved from a scan with David Pilling's scanning software (another nice prog!) (I thought I had done something silly) but when I checked in AutoRun.!Choices I found printchoices2(49,0,0,0);. Why 49 and do I change this to 8|17 ? Keith -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Keith J Baxendale kjbax@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 21:31:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86139 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 21:31:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913756410:10:06220:24; Tue, 15 Dec 98 21:13:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129641; 15 Dec 98 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA15890 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:41:37 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA15885 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:41:25 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zq1Ht-00058h-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:41:47 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:50:49 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:50:42 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: type 5s and palettes Message-ID: <86fceab448%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <86046@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <86046@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >Why is it that OP always suffers a type 5 bomb out if you try to move the > >Page, Colour and Style palettes on the button bar? > > There was some sort of fascinating bug in the OS 'drag a sprite' > call. Should be worked around in 2.51 > > (and should be documented in the notes with the 2.51 upgrade) Well I've not read the notes yet but I am using 2.51 and still experiencing this problem. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 22:54:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86142 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 22:54:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913758513:10:29211:15; Tue, 15 Dec 98 21:48:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122321; 15 Dec 98 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16166 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:34:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA16161 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:34:14 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zq273-0004dv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:34:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 21:12:32 GMT Message-Id: <86126@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Jpegs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I had trouble printing a JPeg the other day (Via Turbodrivers from 2.51) which >I had saved from a scan with David Pilling's scanning software (another nice prog!) (I thought I had >done something silly) but when I checked in AutoRun.!Choices I found >printchoices2(49,0,0,0);. Why 49 and do I change this to 8|17 The point is that we're setting bit 3 which contributes 8. 49 is 1 + 16 + 32 i.e. no 8. So change it to 49|8 which will set bit 3. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 22:54:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86143 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 22:54:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913758822:10:02646:15; Tue, 15 Dec 98 21:53:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002560; 15 Dec 98 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16227 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:39:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA16221 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:39:06 GMT Received: from userm040.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [193.149.77.90] by golden.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zq2Bk-0002hD-00; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:39:29 +0000 Message-ID: <3676D697.544DD700@argonet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:37:27 +0000 From: Shafiq Ahmed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News References: <86088@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >So what baseline version (preferably freely downloadable) should each user > >aim for? > > 2.51. > > >Otherwise there will be many versions in the field, running many > >printer drivers on many machines... > > I agree, with hindsight 2.46 has a lot of nasty bugs in. You'd > have to be mad not to use a later version. Shouldn't bug fixes be free. There's no point in trying to sell software that has a lot of bugs and then charging users for 'repairs'. Shafiq. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 22:54:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86146 for opro ; Tue, 15 Dec 98 22:54:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913762144:10:10217:17; Tue, 15 Dec 98 22:49:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117917; 15 Dec 98 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA16560 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:36:06 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA16555 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:35:52 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J5DV5UUHSU0017WB@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:40:10 GMT +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:35:17 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: News In-reply-to: <3676D697.544DD700@argonet.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3676D697.544DD700@argonet.co.uk> Shafiq Ahmed wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > > > >So what baseline version (preferably freely downloadable) should each user > > >aim for? > > > > 2.51. > > > > >Otherwise there will be many versions in the field, running many > > >printer drivers on many machines... > > > > I agree, with hindsight 2.46 has a lot of nasty bugs in. You'd > > have to be mad not to use a later version. > > Shouldn't bug fixes be free. There's no point in trying to sell > software > that has a lot of bugs and then charging users for 'repairs'. > yeah, but new functions doesn't belong to the 'repairs' they are new and people want those functions, so i can imagine that they pay for it, not for every function apart, but for a set of new functions called "upgrades" maybe there are bug fixes too. Well i guess you take them for granted greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 16 02:15:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86160 for opro ; Wed, 16 Dec 98 02:15:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913772853:20:28117:21; Wed, 16 Dec 98 01:47:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116429; 16 Dec 98 1:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA16808 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:18:44 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA16803 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:18:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zq5c8-0001J3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:18:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 22:57:04 GMT Message-Id: <86147@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Shouldn't bug fixes be free. There's no point in trying to sell >software that has a lot of bugs and then charging users for 'repairs'. Unless your initials are WG and you live in Seattle... Anyway, if you've taken my advice, you will by now have 2.51 and all the bug fixes going, for free. Along with a bit of extra functionality. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 16 02:15:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86161 for opro ; Wed, 16 Dec 98 02:15:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913774156:20:11229:16; Wed, 16 Dec 98 02:09:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101187; 16 Dec 98 2:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA16741 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:56:36 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA16736 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:56:24 GMT Received: from (193.149.92.3) [193.149.92.3] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zq5Gh-0006UH-00; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:56:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Dec 98 00:35:47 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: News Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro What an odd concept is the imposing of a "base line" version on all owners = from which to apply updates. Everyone has a base-line version already impo= sed. That is the version one purchased which is assumed to have been the l= atest available at the time of purchase, whether alone or with update disks= .. In my case, that is 2.43 with updates to 2.46 and the process of install= ing it each time I need to, takes less time than the following of this turg= id correspondence. 2.46 is the de facto base-line versio= n on which the current series of upgrades and fixes is "based". If 2.51 be= comes the new base-line, then 2.51+ and 2.46 to 2.51 will both have to be k= ept available.Ken.-- __ __ __ __ __ ___ ____________= _________________________________...Internet access for all Acorn RISC = machines___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 16 17:36:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86186 for opro ; Wed, 16 Dec 98 17:36:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913827711:20:00929:15; Wed, 16 Dec 98 17:01:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101144; 16 Dec 98 17:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA17488 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:34:24 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17483 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:34:05 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA06914 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:34:37 GMT Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA00968; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:33:36 GMT Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3322) id <01J5EUIOYYPS0000AK@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:32:52 GMT Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:32:31 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:32:39 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:32:39 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:32:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: RE: Spots and separations To: ovation mailinglist Message-Id: <6431321616121998/A02691/CAUV40/11CC84201B00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11CC84201B00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;6431321616121998/A02691/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAA17484 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAB17488 First, apologies to David. My original questions reflected my misunderstandings about what OPro was meant to do, rather than a criticis= m of his work. The original was written in a hurry, which is never a good idea. What I wanted to achieve was the ability to print the output using a subs= et of the colours (but using all the inks). One application for this would b= e to output the photos from a page of text and photos. To do this I need to output all four colours, but not the text. I tried to do this by defining= a spot colour, based on black, and using it for the text. The theory was th= at I could then select "process colours" and get everything printed except t= he spot black. The reason for wanting to do this is that the black ink in the four-colou= r cartridge is expensive and runs out fast. By producing a second pass with the bulk black cartridge, I hoped to overprint the text (which would have been unprinted on the first pass) using the fast cheap black cartridge, a= nd produce the output faster overall. The second reason was when the cyan ink ran out partway through a run. (T= he Canon printer doesn't stop printing when a colour runs out, so you get strange colours.) In this case, I wanted to print the same paper again, j= ust selecting cyan ink. My confusion was caused by not selecting "Separations" in the Printing - separations dialog box. With this unselected it appears that all colours = are printed, regardless of the colour selected. (David, this seems to be what happens with the settings I am using - I may well have missed something.) When I retried with separations selected I wasn=91t greatly surprised whe= n four pieces of paper emerged. I was surprised, until I thought about it, that the yellow plate printed using black ink. It does make sense, but it wasn=91t what I wanted, so I got surprised. The problem is that I am thin= king about separations in terms of controlling a colour printer, not as produc= ing output for a print bureau. So, the real question: Is there a way to output a selection of the process colours, in colour, without spot colours, and to output spot colours, in colour, without proc= ess colours? --=20 Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 16 20:59:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86205 for opro ; Wed, 16 Dec 98 20:58:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913835324:20:08100:15; Wed, 16 Dec 98 19:08:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102252; 16 Dec 98 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA17708 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:46:17 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA17703 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:46:01 GMT Received: from (193.149.86.98) [193.149.86.98] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zqLxy-0003aV-00; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:46:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:59:44 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: News Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 15 Dec 98 (21:37:27 +0000), s.ahmed@argonet.co.uk wrote: > Shouldn't bug fixes be free. There's no point in trying to sell > software > that has a lot of bugs and then charging users for 'repairs'. Really? It's always worked for Microsawft - that is exactly how they've made so much dosh! However, one of the benefits to users of the Risc OS platform has been the tendency of software house to supply free bug fixes. But finding and fixing bugs costs time and money, regardless of how big or small the outfit is. We will only see continued support if we in turn support the development teams. Dave D -- __ _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| Real address as above Certified No42 in the Phoebe queue -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 16 20:59:10 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86210 for opro ; Wed, 16 Dec 98 20:59:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913839320:20:28510:19; Wed, 16 Dec 98 20:15:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110190; 16 Dec 98 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA17898 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:55:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA17893 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:55:06 GMT Received: from userb763.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [193.149.83.238] by golden.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zqN2q-0005Gn-00; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:55:41 +0000 Message-ID: <36780FC6.D4817649@argonet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:53:42 +0000 From: Shafiq Ahmed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: [Snip..] > yeah, but new functions doesn't belong to the 'repairs' > they are new and people want those functions, so i can imagine > that they pay for it, not for every function apart, but for > a set of new functions called "upgrades" maybe there are bug > fixes too. Well i guess you take them for granted Yes, I don't mind having to pay for extra functions, but it would be nice to have free patch for the bugs without the extra features. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 17 13:42:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86252 for opro ; Thu, 17 Dec 98 13:42:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913889732:20:26045:15; Thu, 17 Dec 98 10:15:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116637; 17 Dec 98 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA18593 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:48:10 GMT Received: from gatee.kw.bbc.co.uk (gatee.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA18588 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:47:55 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gatee.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP i Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:48:16 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:48:26 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA550@W12WNXU01> From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovatation Pro Support'" Subject: Problems with Labeller Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:48:26 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I used Labeller to produce my Xmas card labels a couple of weeks ago. I ticked the box to remove blank fields but did not set up the numbers of fields. (I really should have fully read the instructions before using it.) There were inevitably blank fields on the labels printed. I tried making some more labels last night and removing the blank fields. This time however the result was disastrous - usually the post code (but sometimes one of the other fields) was duplicated in several fields as well as appearing in the correct slot. I experimented with various values set up fields to no avail. Invariably one of the fields was printed many times. The CSV field are Name, address 1, address 2, address 3, Post Town, County, Post Code. Any suggestions. Perhaps I need to brush up my programming skills - to understand how the mail merge works and how to modify it to do what I want. Seasons Greetings Michael -- Michael Hunter, Acorn and Ovation Pro User. michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 17 13:42:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86253 for opro ; Thu, 17 Dec 98 13:42:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913890493:10:26180:17; Thu, 17 Dec 98 10:28:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025851; 17 Dec 98 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA18635 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:58:14 GMT Received: from juliet.ic.ac.uk (juliet.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA18629 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:58:01 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.28]) by juliet.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0zqaCh-0004vv-00; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:58:43 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zqaCg-0003Lg-00; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:58:42 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:58:42 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26ABF79B@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: Printing Problems + Turbo Drivers... Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:58:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi David, Like a few others I've been experiencing problems with CC turbo driver & an Epson Stylus colour printing since upgrading to V2.51. Last night I changes printchoices (2) from 16, to 17|8, as sugested with the JPEG problem but the problems still persist. (Everything works fine with the Acorn !printer driver.) The running theme is that pictures are split into largeish vertical strips and parts "shuffled" and randomly mirrored! This has happened with: * a 256 colour sprite with it's own custom palate in an iregeualy frame (cured when I imported it as a 32K coloour picture). * An artworks picture in a rotated rectangular frame. * An artworks picture in a circular frame. I can send exmaple files if you want.... I would be very grateful if you could supply help, I'm sorry if you have previously published a solution that I missed. It always seems to be problems and complants here on the list, so I'd just like to say that thanks for writting a DTP package thats brilliant in all other respects! Merry Xmas, Peter Reeves-Hall -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 17 17:39:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86267 for opro ; Thu, 17 Dec 98 17:39:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913906209:10:12617:16; Thu, 17 Dec 98 14:50:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012537; 17 Dec 98 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA19004 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:13:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18999 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:13:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zqeBY-0007fp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:13:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 98 13:55:59 GMT Message-Id: <86261@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems + Turbo Drivers... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Like a few others I've been experiencing problems with CC turbo driver & an >Epson Stylus colour printing since upgrading to V2.51. > The running theme is that pictures are split into largeish vertical strips >and parts "shuffled" and randomly mirrored! On the face of it a FAQ. The FGA is to insert the CCprfix file into your !OvnPro.Library directory. The latest version of this file is available from the www.beebug.com web site. It came to light here a couple of months back that CC have introduced some new printer numbers, so getting the latest file does matter. Incidentally there is now a very useful FAQ list on; http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ All credit to Chris Johnson for his efforts here. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 17 17:40:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86271 for opro ; Thu, 17 Dec 98 17:40:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913910597:10:29663:15; Thu, 17 Dec 98 16:03:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028422; 17 Dec 98 16:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA19174 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:32:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA19169 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:31:52 GMT Received: from (193.149.91.70) [193.149.91.70] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zqfPo-0003yk-00; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:32:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:36:59 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b5db6df8lionels@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: News In-Reply-To: <36780FC6.D4817649@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <36780FC6.D4817649@argonet.co.uk>, Shafiq Ahmed wrote: > Yes, I don't mind having to pay for extra functions, but it > would be nice to have free patch for the bugs without > the extra features. Hum! While I agree with that in principle one has to be realistic in practice. The extra administration involved would be a severe penalty for the developers in the Acorn market. I am sure that any extra functions that come along are welcomed by the majority of users. Consider the depth of functionality built into the Mac and PC software provided with some film scanners for example. As some of us are all to painfully aware RISCOS support for such features lags behind considerably. We should consider ourselves fortunate that some developers do try hard to keep up. In this context, when the need arrises, I am more than willing to pay for the extra facilities. Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children & 1 dog | Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 17 21:19:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86297 for opro ; Thu, 17 Dec 98 21:19:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913925228:10:06020:17; Thu, 17 Dec 98 20:07:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120793; 17 Dec 98 20:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA19483 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:46:23 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19478 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:46:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zqjNs-0003ew-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:46:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 98 18:22:02 GMT Message-Id: <86288@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Yes, I don't mind having to pay for extra functions, but it > would be nice to have free patch for the bugs without > the extra features. This is of course our nightmare. That someone comes along and says "I don't want to pay for all these new features, I don't want to pay for the 999 bugs you've fixed. But I want the 1000th bug fixing, and if you won't do that for free, then you're a fraud". Because in reality its not possible to just fix one bug in isolation from all the other changes that have gone on. Anyway this is why I've insisted on free upgrades. We could do major extra functionality as applets. Probably time to drop the subject, and await Beebugs letter inviting you to pay up, falling through the door. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 18 01:41:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86311 for opro ; Fri, 18 Dec 98 01:41:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913945222:20:05129:15; Fri, 18 Dec 98 01:40:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107149; 18 Dec 98 1:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA19876 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:12:10 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA19871 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:11:58 GMT Received: (qmail 27206 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1998 01:12:47 -0000 Received: from 18-058.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.58) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 1998 01:12:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:38:15 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <581fcb548%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48b5db6df8lionels@argonet.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I don't object to developers to chaging a reasonable fee for the fruits of their development. However, Beebug are beeing seen as treating their customers (OP owners) unfairly by suddenly deciding to charge for something that has been free up until now. No-doubt we will all forgive them this time (after a few tuts and mutterings and shifty moving around of v2.51 u/g archives) but I feel it would have been more 'masterly' for charges to be made on all versions _after_ v2.51 which has already been announced (advertised?) as a free upgrade. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 18 02:46:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86320 for opro ; Fri, 18 Dec 98 02:46:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913949273:20:15718:20; Fri, 18 Dec 98 02:47:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015557; 18 Dec 98 2:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA20078 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:26:21 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20070 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:25:59 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA19404 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:23:51 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA20000; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:10:03 GMT Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:41:58 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EasiWriter Pro vs Ov Pro Message-ID: <48B55D8AF5%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199812120525_MC2-635A-E4CE@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (08 Oct 1998) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <199812120525_MC2-635A-E4CE@compuserve.com> Eddie Lord wrote: > I have a copy of TechWriter v2.16 for sale, any offers? 35 perhaps? Last time I checked with Icon's web site they were offering an upgrade "From TechWriter to TechWriter professional" for 50 ukp (62.27 ukp inc vat and postage). Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 18 02:46:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86321 for opro ; Fri, 18 Dec 98 02:46:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913949312:20:16150:18; Fri, 18 Dec 98 02:48:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121725; 18 Dec 98 2:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA20077 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:26:21 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20067 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:25:58 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA19403 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:23:51 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19995; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:10:02 GMT Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:38:45 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EasiWriter Pro vs Ov Pro Message-ID: <48B55D3F82%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <367147EF.F7ABC430@baglanit.org.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (08 Oct 1998) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <367147EF.F7ABC430@baglanit.org.uk> John Mills wrote: > I've just received Iota's Christmas catalogue showing that EW Pro 4.08 can > be had for 99 + p&p. Why are Iota selling an Icon Technology product? ;-) Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 18 13:33:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86326 for opro ; Fri, 18 Dec 98 13:33:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913950550:20:28021:15; Fri, 18 Dec 98 03:09:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102981; 18 Dec 98 3:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA20206 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:48:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20201 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:48:37 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zqpyp-0003sf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:49:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 98 01:45:07 GMT Message-Id: <86312@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >No-doubt we will all forgive them this time (after a few tuts and mutterings >and shifty moving around of v2.51 u/g archives) but I feel it would have been >more 'masterly' for charges to be made on all versions _after_ v2.51 which >has already been announced (advertised?) as a free upgrade. In fact what will be for sale is 2.52. Which has two tiny extra fixes. However what I hope has been conveyed is that if you have web access, you can save yourself the money. And if you don't you're probably going to be grateful for the chance to upgrade... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From pc.reeveshall@ic.ac.uk Fri Dec 18 13:37:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86333 for opro ; Fri, 18 Dec 98 13:37:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 913981477:10:27439:9; Fri, 18 Dec 98 11:44:37 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.9]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126209; 18 Dec 98 11:43 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zqyJt-0004lE-00; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:43:45 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0zqyJt-0007Ma-00; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:43:45 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:43:44 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26ABF7A4@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk To: "'opro@pilling.demon.co.uk '" Subject: RE: Printing Problems + Turbo Drivers... Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:43:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi David, Thank you - everything works fine now, though it does seem a lot slower to print and get control back than before - but the important thing is that everything is now WYSIWYG again! Thanks, Peter R.H. -----Original Message----- From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sent: 12/17/98 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Printing Problems + Turbo Drivers... > Like a few others I've been experiencing problems with CC turbo driver & an >Epson Stylus colour printing since upgrading to V2.51. > The running theme is that pictures are split into largeish vertical strips >and parts "shuffled" and randomly mirrored! On the face of it a FAQ. The FGA is to insert the CCprfix file into your !OvnPro.Library directory. The latest version of this file is available from the www.beebug.com web site. It came to light here a couple of months back that CC have introduced some new printer numbers, so getting the latest file does matter. Incidentally there is now a very useful FAQ list on; http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ All credit to Chris Johnson for his efforts here. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 18 19:37:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86357 for opro ; Fri, 18 Dec 98 19:37:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914005697:10:05957:18; Fri, 18 Dec 98 18:28:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005553; 18 Dec 98 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA21078 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:05:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21073 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:05:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.251.209] (helo=bifrost.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zr4Hm-0001J8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:05:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by bifrost.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:05:44 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:04:17 +0000 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Vanishing images Message-ID: <48B6674234%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've got a document with master pages set up to include a number of blank frames on each page. Within the document itself, most of these are filled with text (with no flow across pages), but one contains an image (imported into each page). If I change the master pages (in this case, to simply change the text in the header), all the images vanish. The text in the other frames is unaffected. Saving the document shows that it's now noticeably smaller, so for some reason, the images have been deleted. I've tried it a couple of times, and it goes wrong each time. I'm using Ovation Pro 2.50. Does anyone know what's going wrong, and how to get around it? -- Be seeing you, Sam. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 18 21:42:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86362 for opro ; Fri, 18 Dec 98 21:42:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914015182:20:21956:15; Fri, 18 Dec 98 21:06:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116237; 18 Dec 98 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA21323 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:46:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA21318 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:45:44 GMT Received: from (193.149.90.234) [193.149.90.234] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zr6nK-0006Vo-00; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:46:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rey Cobham To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:42:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b67034fefoxy@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Re: EasiWriter Pro vs Ov Pro In-Reply-To: <48B55D8AF5%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA21319 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB21323 In article <48B55D8AF5%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Chris Manning wrote: > In message <199812120525_MC2-635A-E4CE@compuserve.com> > Eddie Lord wrote: > > I have a copy of TechWriter v2.16 for sale, any offers? =A335 perhap= s? > Last time I checked with Icon's web site they were offering an upgrade > "From TechWriter to TechWriter professional" for 50 ukp (62.27 ukp inc > vat and postage). And here's the gutting part - they're also offering a 50 ukp upgrade pric= e from Start Write to Easi Writer Pro. I had Start Write (received free with my bro's A3010) but the disk was wiped many moons ago. 8o( Mind you I've noticed a few copies (of Start Write) for sale CTA etc for below 10 quid... TTFN Rey --=20 The Dark Lord Of All is awaiting his sig. file Web-Site: TBA Real Soon E-Mail: foxy@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 18 22:23:18 1998 Return-path: Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.6] by pilling.demon.co.uk with smtp (ANTmail1.29b); id sm02647e7; Fri, 18 Dec 98 22:22 +0000 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914019283:20:08314:28; Fri, 18 Dec 98 22:14:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109511; 18 Dec 98 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21533 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:44:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21528 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:43:59 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zr7hj-0003Gr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:44:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 98 19:58:21 GMT Message-Id: <86358@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Vanishing images X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: O X-IS-UID: >If I change the master pages (in this case, to simply change >the text in the header), all the images vanish. The text >in the other frames is unaffected. Saving the document shows >that it's now noticeably smaller, so for some reason, the >images have been deleted. Its not a simple bug, because I just set up such a situation and it didn't go wrong. What I'd guess is that OPro is confused about what type the frames are. There are special rules for when the master frame is empty and the corresponding document frame contains a picture etc. Just imagine if it thinks the master frame has text in and... therefore the document frame should reflect this and not have any local contents. For want of a better idea. I'd suggest saving as DDL and reloading, see if that cleans things up. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 19 02:09:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86379 for opro ; Sat, 19 Dec 98 02:09:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914025604:10:26891:15; Sat, 19 Dec 98 00:00:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112462; 18 Dec 98 23:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA21928 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:39:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21923 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:39:37 GMT Received: from [194.222.88.143] (helo=watsnees.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zr9Ve-00058L-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:40:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: "'Ovatation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:11:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b67ded49frank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Problems with Labeller In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA550@W12WNXU01> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA550@W12WNXU01>, Mike Hunter wrote: > I used Labeller to produce my Xmas card labels a couple of weeks > ago. I ticked the box to remove blank fields but did not set up the > numbers of fields. (I really should have fully read the > instructions before using it.) There were inevitably blank fields > on the labels printed. > I tried making some more labels last night and removing the blank > fields. This time however the result was disastrous - usually the > post code (but sometimes one of the other fields) was duplicated in > several fields as well as appearing in the correct slot. I > experimented with various values set up fields to no avail. > Invariably one of the fields was printed many times. > Any suggestions. Perhaps I need to brush up my programming skills - > to understand how the mail merge works and how to modify it to do > what I want. In addition to re-reading the instructions, you should consider "printing" to ArcFax before committing anything to paper. Doing this allows you to display on screen almost exactly what will appear on paper. I find it particularly useful in setting up printing of "Thumbnails". It allows very easy trial and error setting of "Scale" values to optimise layout and even shows the printers marks if these are set in the Print dialogue. It takes very little extra time - indeed it saves time through not having to repeat the print to paper in case of disasters! If you haven't got ArcFax, perhaps you should get it. Although I send very few faxes these days, I consider it worth the price just to be able to see what I propose to put on paper. The author is a good guy too! Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.10c on RPC, SA, OS 3.70, Window Manager 3.98, Ovation Pro 2.51. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 19 02:09:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86382 for opro ; Sat, 19 Dec 98 02:09:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914025620:10:27388:2; Sat, 19 Dec 98 00:00:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112462; 18 Dec 98 23:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA21928 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:39:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21923 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:39:37 GMT Received: from [194.222.88.143] (helo=watsnees.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zr9Ve-00058L-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:40:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: "'Ovatation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:11:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b67ded49frank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Problems with Labeller In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA550@W12WNXU01> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA550@W12WNXU01>, Mike Hunter wrote: > I used Labeller to produce my Xmas card labels a couple of weeks > ago. I ticked the box to remove blank fields but did not set up the > numbers of fields. (I really should have fully read the > instructions before using it.) There were inevitably blank fields > on the labels printed. > I tried making some more labels last night and removing the blank > fields. This time however the result was disastrous - usually the > post code (but sometimes one of the other fields) was duplicated in > several fields as well as appearing in the correct slot. I > experimented with various values set up fields to no avail. > Invariably one of the fields was printed many times. > Any suggestions. Perhaps I need to brush up my programming skills - > to understand how the mail merge works and how to modify it to do > what I want. In addition to re-reading the instructions, you should consider "printing" to ArcFax before committing anything to paper. Doing this allows you to display on screen almost exactly what will appear on paper. I find it particularly useful in setting up printing of "Thumbnails". It allows very easy trial and error setting of "Scale" values to optimise layout and even shows the printers marks if these are set in the Print dialogue. It takes very little extra time - indeed it saves time through not having to repeat the print to paper in case of disasters! If you haven't got ArcFax, perhaps you should get it. Although I send very few faxes these days, I consider it worth the price just to be able to see what I propose to put on paper. The author is a good guy too! Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.10c on RPC, SA, OS 3.70, Window Manager 3.98, Ovation Pro 2.51. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 19 03:25:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86393 for opro ; Sat, 19 Dec 98 03:25:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914036111:20:01571:18; Sat, 19 Dec 98 02:55:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001327; 19 Dec 98 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA22258 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:31:32 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22253 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:31:19 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA08710 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:23:49 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA25051; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:21:07 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:47:50 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <48B686B616%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (08 Oct 1998) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > In message <3676D697.544DD700@argonet.co.uk> > Shafiq Ahmed wrote: >> Shouldn't bug fixes be free. There's no point in trying to sell >> software that has a lot of bugs >> and then charging users for 'repairs'. But there's no such thing as bug-free software. I don't think OPro's ever had "a lot" of bugs, but I'm not exactly a 'heavyweight' user. >> and then charging users for 'repairs'. > yeah, but new functions doesn't belong to the 'repairs' > they are new and people want those functions, And even if they didn't, it's quite impracticable to keep providing bug fixes for endless old versions of the software. > so i can imagine that they pay for it, not for every function apart, > but for a set of new functions called "upgrades" maybe there are bug > fixes too. Just so long as Beebug don't follow the examples of some other software vendors by issuing an endless stream of chargeable 'upgrades' that are little more than bug fixes. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 21 18:47:26 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86434 for opro ; Mon, 21 Dec 98 18:47:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914264831:20:27346:48; Mon, 21 Dec 98 18:27:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113468; 21 Dec 98 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA26031 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:10:16 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA26026 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:10:01 GMT Received: (qmail 3232 invoked from network); 21 Dec 1998 18:10:02 -0000 Received: from 18-202.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.202) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 1998 18:10:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:38:35 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Copying merge commands between documets Message-ID: <1b6de5b748%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In my eternal struggle for an easier way of doing things... does anyone know how to copy a merge command from one OvationPro document to another? I tried cutting and pasting the text that reads "..[Merge 1]..." etc... but that just copies the references to the merge command numbers, not the command scripts themselves. I was only trying to copy 3 merge command from a C5 envelope to a DL envelope, but one day I might need to copy dozens of merge commands to a different format of document... if the documents are complicated forms, I may be torn between re-inserting all the merge commands or re-creating the document around the existing merge commands! Each method could take hours and hours, and I might die before I finish, or the world might end--my tea will certainly get cold... Any ideas? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 21 18:57:44 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86447 for opro ; Mon, 21 Dec 98 18:57:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914264639:10:04410:15; Mon, 21 Dec 98 18:23:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004327; 21 Dec 98 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA26024 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:08:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26019 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:08:43 GMT Received: from [158.152.251.209] (helo=bifrost.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zs9lC-0007Jp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:08:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by bifrost.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:08:45 GMT Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:12:42 +0000 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Vanishing images Message-ID: <48B7E30E88%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <86358@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <86358@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >If I change the master pages (in this case, to simply change > >the text in the header), all the images vanish. > [...snip...] > > Its not a simple bug, because I just set up such a situation > and it didn't go wrong. [...snip...] > For want of a better idea. I'd suggest saving as DDL and reloading, > see if that cleans things up. Save as DDL... "Ovation Pro has suffered a fatal internal error..." So reload, load file, save as DDL... "Ovation Pro has suffered...." So, I guess something is _really_ screwed with that file. I'm now working on a version which has lost all its images. Importing the images in again, and editing the master pages does not result in them being lost again. However, trying to save the DDL results in OP crashing with a fatal error. Hmm... Thinking about it, I think this was the file where I had a problem with deleting a chapter. Two chapters in the document, the second one having only a single empty page. Trying to delete chapter 2 always resulted in OP trying to delete chapter 1. I think I got around it by deleting the master page for chapter 2. There could be something really broken with the document itself. -- Be seeing you, Sam. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 21 22:20:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86502 for opro ; Mon, 21 Dec 98 22:20:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914278878:10:09472:15; Mon, 21 Dec 98 22:21:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119171; 21 Dec 98 22:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA26503 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:06:38 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA26498 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:06:23 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zsDTB-0005Bz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:06:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 98 21:34:52 GMT Message-Id: <86485@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Copying merge commands between documets X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In my eternal struggle for an easier way of doing things... does anyone know >how to copy a merge command from one OvationPro document to another? >I tried cutting and pasting the text that reads "..[Merge 1]..." etc... but >that just copies the references to the merge command numbers, not the command >scripts themselves. I suspect you copy the text, and then save the document as DDL to Edit, select the field definition bits, and then save the selection to the new document. The bits in question look like; MERGE_01={merge 1 "2222" "{dbdbdbdb}"} This is probably also a sneaky way of getting things like colours and styles from one doc to another. Although for both those cases, it can be done by dragging a style sheet to the respective editing window. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 22 02:12:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86509 for opro ; Tue, 22 Dec 98 02:12:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914282245:10:14007:15; Mon, 21 Dec 98 23:17:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102658; 21 Dec 98 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA26679 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:56:56 GMT Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA26672 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:56:39 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-18-17.pt.uk.ibm.net [139.92.18.17]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA165 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:54:40 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Vanishing images To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48B7E30E88%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Oak Forest Maintenance X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 21 Dec, Samuel Penn wrote: > In message <86358@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > So, I guess something is _really_ screwed with that file. I'm now > working on a version which has lost all its images. Importing the > images in again, and editing the master pages does not result in > them being lost again. However, trying to save the DDL results in > OP crashing with a fatal error. > Here's a quick offering of an idea. How have you laid out your Master Page? Do you have a frame set up as default which effectively outlines your page? And then have you covered that frame completely with other frames? Doing that traps an end-of-story character which will Type2 or Type5 when you extend the document. -- ---------------- James White Tel: +34 971 872322 Fax: +34 971 872309 ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 22 13:45:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86532 for opro ; Tue, 22 Dec 98 13:45:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914333757:20:24787:16; Tue, 22 Dec 98 13:35:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024746; 22 Dec 98 13:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA27415 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:19:56 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27409 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:19:43 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA01777 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:19:58 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:20:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Upgrade and HD name problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have run into a couple of problems 1 I have been attempting to upgrade to 2.51 at long last and have run into a problem. When trying to use !freshen for the ColSup upgrade, I drag the old one to the icon and I get an error message, 'Incorrect Length for File Image'. 2 I have also been mucking about with my harddisc name (wish I hadn't!). Now when I try to use OvPro I am told that it was not installed on this device, and to drag the icon to the program installer window. I have tried running !install from my 2.46 disc and dragging the new !OvPro to it, but it tells me it's the wrong installer. I take it this is a clash of version numbers. Any suggestions gratefully received on either of these! Thanks Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 22 15:01:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86555 for opro ; Tue, 22 Dec 98 15:01:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914338144:20:18792:19; Tue, 22 Dec 98 14:49:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113058; 22 Dec 98 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA27608 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:27:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27603 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:27:17 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zsSme-0004IU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:27:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 98 14:10:21 GMT Message-Id: <86551@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade and HD name problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1 I have been attempting to upgrade to 2.51 at long last and have run into a >problem. When trying to use !freshen for the ColSup upgrade, I drag the old >one to the icon and I get an error message, 'Incorrect Length for File >Image'. You must upgrade the *original* colour supplement applet. By which I mean the one that you were supplied with on disc in the first place - version 1.00. >2 I have also been mucking about with my harddisc name (wish I hadn't!). Now >when I try to use OvPro I am told that it was not installed on this device, >and to drag the icon to the program installer window. I have tried running >!install from my 2.46 disc and dragging the new !OvPro to it, but it tells me >it's the wrong installer. I take it this is a clash of version numbers. This has been discussed here before, as far as I recall you have to install 2.46 from disc again. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 22 17:51:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86559 for opro ; Tue, 22 Dec 98 17:51:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914339972:20:13280:35; Tue, 22 Dec 98 15:19:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013180; 22 Dec 98 15:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA27717 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:57:32 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27712 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:57:20 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA19165 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:57:34 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:58:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Upgrade and HD name problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <86551@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > 1 I have been attempting to upgrade to 2.51 at long last and have run > > into a problem. When trying to use !freshen for the ColSup upgrade, I > > drag the old one to the icon and I get an error message, 'Incorrect > > Length for File Image'. > > You must upgrade the *original* colour supplement applet. By which I mean > the one that you were supplied with on disc in the first place - version > 1.00. > Sorry, stupid of me not to remember that. > > > > 2 I have also been mucking about with my harddisc name (wish I hadn't!). > > Now when I try to use OvPro I am told that it was not installed on this > > device, and to drag the icon to the program installer window. I have > > tried running !install from my 2.46 disc and dragging the new !OvPro to > > it, but it tells me it's the wrong installer. I take it this is a clash > > of version numbers. > > This has been discussed here before, as far as I recall you have to > install 2.46 from disc again. > That's great, thanks David. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 22 17:52:04 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86565 for opro ; Tue, 22 Dec 98 17:52:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914345352:20:26739:18; Tue, 22 Dec 98 16:49:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105581; 22 Dec 98 16:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA27950 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:28:24 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27945 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:28:09 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA18951 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:28:27 GMT Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA21297; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:27:26 GMT Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3322) id <01J5N83N07W0000084@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:27:20 GMT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:27:05 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:27:05 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:27:20 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:27:18 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:27:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Re: Spots and Separations In-Reply-To: <48b44678faC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> To: ovationpro Message-Id: <6805271622121998/A02227/CAUV40/11CCB41B0300*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11CCB41B0300 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;6805271622121998/A02227/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAA27946 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAB27950 Status: R I sent this a few days ago, but I haven't seen it or a response. If it do= es get duplicated, sorry folks. ------------------------ First, apologies to David. My original questions reflected my misunderstandings about what OPro was meant to do, rather than a criticis= m of his work. The original was written in a hurry, which is never a good idea. What I wanted to achieve was the ability to print the output using a subs= et of the colours (but using all the inks). One application for this would b= e to output the photos from a page of text and photos. To do this I need to output all four colours, but not the text. I tried to do this by defining= a spot colour, based on black, and using it for the text. The theory was th= at I could then select "process colours" and get everything printed except t= he spot black. The reason for wanting to do this is that the black ink in the four-colou= r cartridge is expensive and runs out fast. By producing a second pass with the bulk black cartridge, I hoped to overprint the text (which would have been unprinted on the first pass) using the fast cheaper black cartridge, and produce the output faster overall. The second reason was when the cyan ink ran out partway through a run. (T= he Canon printer doesn't stop printing when a colour runs out, so you get strange colours.) In this case, I wanted to print the same paper again, j= ust selecting cyan ink. My confusion was caused by not selecting "Separations" in the Printing - separations dialog box. With this unselected it appears that all colours = are printed, regardless of the colour selected. (David, this seems to be what happens with the settings I am using - I may well have missed something.) When I retried with separations selected I wasn=91t greatly surprised whe= n four pieces of paper emerged. I was surprised, until I thought about it, that the yellow plate printed using black ink. It does make sense, but it wasn=91t what I wanted, so I got surprised. The problem is that I am thin= king about separations in terms of controlling a colour printer, not as produc= ing output for a print bureau. So, the real question: Is there a way to output a selection of the process colours, in colour, without spot colours, and to output spot colours, in colour, without proc= ess colours? --=20 Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 22 18:38:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86578 for opro ; Tue, 22 Dec 98 18:38:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914350216:20:00847:15; Tue, 22 Dec 98 18:10:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000745; 22 Dec 98 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA28131 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:52:52 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA28126 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:52:35 GMT Received: from (rayd) [193.149.77.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zsVzL-00058n-00; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:52:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:16:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b877bd30rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Upgrade and HD name problems In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > 2 I have also been mucking about with my harddisc name (wish I hadn't!). > Now when I try to use OvPro I am told that it was not installed on this > device, and to drag the icon to the program installer window. I have > tried running !install from my 2.46 disc and dragging the new !OvPro to > it, but it tells me it's the wrong installer. I take it this is a clash > of version numbers. You need to reinstall 2.46 and then upgrade it again to 2.51. If you keep the Autorun, Library and Applets directories from your existing 2.51 you can just replace the ones in the new 2.46 version with the 2.51 set. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 22 19:39:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86579 for opro ; Tue, 22 Dec 98 19:39:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914353759:10:00930:45; Tue, 22 Dec 98 19:09:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000905; 22 Dec 98 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA28309 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:44:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA28304 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:44:39 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zsWnk-0001EC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:45:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 98 18:32:56 GMT Message-Id: <86576@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spots and Separations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I sent this a few days ago, but I haven't seen it or a response. If it does >get duplicated, sorry folks. OK, you want the answer... I believe Matthew Gray went through all this on here a few months back. Check the archives. Various suggestions were made, but ISTR the answer was negative. It can't be done. In an ideal world one would have global image processing on output. If you have CC Turbos, you might be able to design two sets of curves. One which outputs no black and the other lot with no CMY. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 22 22:13:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86589 for opro ; Tue, 22 Dec 98 22:13:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914364147:20:17861:16; Tue, 22 Dec 98 22:02:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108476; 22 Dec 98 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA28539 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:43:37 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28534 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:43:21 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zsZab-0006Mf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:43:39 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:43:44 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:42:37 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Type five on PS printing Message-ID: <3c90a0b848%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I have created an OP file A5 in size with a cmyk image at 225dpi. There is also a little text with the image. The file amounts to a little over 8mb. I attempted to print to file with the level 1 postscript driver with colour selected, verbose unselected. Almost immediately upon printing OP does a type=5. However, after clicking 'continue' in the error message window the printing operation continues: I guess the printing operation has a firm hold on the processor and won't allow OP to exit as it would normally. The printing goes on for ages. In the end I reboot. The file created is 50mb. So I try again. Exact same thing happens but this time I allow it to continue printing. This goes as far as filling the remaining space on my hard drive, ie 310mb, which cause everything to stop. Fortunately, unlike a pc, the computer reboots perfectly allowing me to delete the file. There goes my trip to the printers tomorrow. Any thoughts? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 23 13:47:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86607 for opro ; Wed, 23 Dec 98 13:47:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914414697:10:18367:16; Wed, 23 Dec 98 12:04:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018235; 23 Dec 98 12:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA29152 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:34:44 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29147 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:34:25 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-40.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.171] with SMTP for id MAA02176 (8.8.8/1.10); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:34:38 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:21:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Spots and Separations To: ovationpro In-Reply-To: <6805271622121998/A02227/CAUV40/11CCB41B0300*@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 22 Dec, Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > Is there a way to output a selection of the process colours, in colour, > without spot colours, and to output spot colours, in colour, without process > colours? By making a PDF of your colour seperated PS Ovation file and saving the separations as individual Drawfiles that get a colourtreatment in Draw or ArtWorks to print them in the required colours? Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Surreal view through a leaded window: a penguin and a man in a raincoat fell an oak. A bell tolls. The word melts away. Must be christmas 98 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 23 15:57:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86623 for opro ; Wed, 23 Dec 98 15:57:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914425670:10:25786:45; Wed, 23 Dec 98 15:07:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025945; 23 Dec 98 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA29406 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:38:39 GMT Received: from nottingham.ac.uk (pat.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk [128.243.40.194]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29400 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:38:24 GMT Received: from uaw4f.library.nottingham.ac.uk ([128.243.163.125] helo=hermes.nottingham.ac.uk) by nottingham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zspR9-0006zt-00; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:38:55 +0000 Received: from UAW4F/SpoolDir by hermes.nottingham.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 23 Dec 98 14:38:55 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by UAW4F (Mercury 1.43); 23 Dec 98 14:38:30 GMT0BST From: "Robin Phillips" Organization: The University of Nottingham To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:38:21 GMT0BST Subject: Format for audio cassette labels Message-ID: <3DF5EA96809@hermes.nottingham.ac.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, My son has investigated OvationPro much more thoroughly than I have yet had time to, and tells me that there is a file giving formats for various types of label, to help when printing them. Can anyone tell me whether there exists a format for the audio cassette label, listed by Avery as L7655 ? Yours sincerely, Robin. >From Robin Phillips, Music Library, Arts Centre, University of Nottingham, Nottingham, NG7 2RD; Phone: 0115 95 14596; Fax: 0115 95 14756; e-mail Robin.Phillips@nottingham.ac.uk [Mornings phone 0115 970 9445, ext 42787, until further notice] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 24 14:08:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86672 for opro ; Thu, 24 Dec 98 14:08:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914486912:10:04272:15; Thu, 24 Dec 98 08:08:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109164; 24 Dec 98 8:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA30194 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:42:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA30189 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:41:37 GMT Received: from userj326.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [194.69.101.173] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zt5PT-0006vO-00; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:42:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:41:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b95b3e94rmking@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing with v2.51 In-Reply-To: <000101be2ef5$44e0c900$149217cb@jj.yankalilla> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <000101be2ef5$44e0c900$149217cb@jj.yankalilla>, Charles Harvey wrote: > Hello all, Can anyone help please? I have recently upgraded from OvPro > v2.50 to v2.51 and I am having trouble trying to print to either my HP > 6L or Canon BJC620. > I have a 40 page booklet which printed perfectly using v2.50 and with > pamphlets selected. > With v2.51 on selecting printers and pamphlets the range appears as '1 > PR15 31' and no matter what I change it to it shows the error message > 'Bad page number'. I have tried using all the alternatives in the > imposition applet with the same result, I have reinstalled the > imposition applet and !Printers, but again without success. I would be > grateful for any help. You need to manually copy the Templates file from version 2.50 to 2.51 The Templates file is in directory !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK The installer 'forgets' to copy this file. Best wishes, Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 24 14:08:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86674 for opro ; Thu, 24 Dec 98 14:08:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914475256:20:28989:19; Thu, 24 Dec 98 04:54:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028563; 24 Dec 98 4:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA30003 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:27:23 GMT Received: from yankalilla.net.au ([203.23.146.4] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA29998 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:27:06 GMT Received: by yankalilla.net.au from localhost (router,SLMail V2.7); Thu, 24 Dec 98 13:49:54 +1030 Received: by yankalilla.net.au from jj.yankalilla (203.23.146.20::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.7); Thu, 24 Dec 98 13:49:52 +1030 Message-ID: <000101be2ef5$44e0c900$149217cb@jj.yankalilla> From: "Charles Harvey" To: "Ovation Pro@lists.barnet.co.uk" Subject: Printing with v2.51 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:54:13 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello all, Can anyone help please? I have recently upgraded from OvPro v2.50 to v2.51 and I am having trouble trying to print to either my HP 6L or Canon BJC620. I have a 40 page booklet which printed perfectly using v2.50 and with pamphlets selected. With v2.51 on selecting printers and pamphlets the range appears as '1 PR15 31' and no matter what I change it to it shows the error message 'Bad page number'. I have tried using all the alternatives in the imposition applet with the same result, I have reinstalled the imposition applet and !Printers, but again without success. I would be grateful for any help. Regards Charles Harvey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 24 14:09:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86683 for opro ; Thu, 24 Dec 98 14:09:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914506973:20:24380:16; Thu, 24 Dec 98 13:42:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024353; 24 Dec 98 13:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA30451 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:23:39 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA30446 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:23:25 GMT Received: from [158.152.51.151] (helo=obanphys.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0ztAkK-0002hI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:24:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan H Partridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:23:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48b97a8a8eperdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing with v2.51 In-Reply-To: <48b95b3e94rmking@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48b95b3e94rmking@argonet.co.uk>, Roger King wrote: > In article <000101be2ef5$44e0c900$149217cb@jj.yankalilla>, > Charles Harvey wrote: [snip problem with print template] > You need to manually copy the Templates file from version 2.50 to 2.51 > The Templates file is in directory !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK > The installer 'forgets' to copy this file. I think you'll find that this isn't true if you follow the installation instructions *exactly*. :-) Season's greetings y'all. Alan. -- Alan H Partridge, Physics Department, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 24 15:06:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86700 for opro ; Thu, 24 Dec 98 15:06:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914511163:20:13448:15; Thu, 24 Dec 98 14:52:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013290; 24 Dec 98 14:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA30596 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:41:09 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA30591 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:40:58 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0ztBxN-0003lE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:41:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 98 14:27:30 GMT Message-Id: <86695@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing with v2.51 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> With v2.51 on selecting printers and pamphlets the range appears as '1 >> PR15 31' and no matter what I change it to it shows the error message >You need to manually copy the Templates file from version 2.50 to 2.51 It is actually the 'Messages' file. >The installer 'forgets' to copy this file. 'installer' here being not a program, but the person doing the upgrade. Once more... The upgrade is a *two* stage process. (1) Run !Upgrade, this *only* upgrades the !RunImage in your to be new version of !OvnPro (2) Copy !OvnPro from the upgrade archive on top of the to be new version. If you miss stage 2, then you'll get the above problem, and things like "template fields" not found. Because things like the new Messages file and Templates won't have been copied into your new version. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 24 20:10:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86709 for opro ; Thu, 24 Dec 98 20:10:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914521748:20:14092:15; Thu, 24 Dec 98 17:49:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013992; 24 Dec 98 17:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA30796 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:31:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA30791 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:31:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0ztEc2-0005Cx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:31:51 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:32:04 GMT Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:31:57 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing with v2.51 Message-ID: <614991b948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <86695@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <86695@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >> With v2.51 on selecting printers and pamphlets the range appears as '1 > >> PR15 31' and no matter what I change it to it shows the error message > > >You need to manually copy the Templates file from version 2.50 to 2.51 > > It is actually the 'Messages' file. > > > >The installer 'forgets' to copy this file. > > 'installer' here being not a program, but the person doing the upgrade. > > > Once more... > > The upgrade is a *two* stage process. > > (1) Run !Upgrade, this *only* upgrades the !RunImage in your to be new version of !OvnPro > > (2) Copy !OvnPro from the upgrade archive on top of the to be new version. > > > If you miss stage 2, then you'll get the above problem, and things like > "template fields" not found. Because things like the new Messages file and > Templates won't have been copied into your new version. > > What a patient man. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 28 18:29:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86805 for opro ; Mon, 28 Dec 98 18:29:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914851934:20:28407:15; Mon, 28 Dec 98 13:32:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105399; 28 Dec 98 13:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA01583 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:18:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA01578 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:18:10 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.15) [193.149.85.15] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zucYq-000234-00; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:18:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy Bingham) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 28 Dec 98 13:13:20 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Saving as A Draw File Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know whether it is possible to save a file created in OvnPro as a Draw File? I have created a planning database using Datapower2 and would like to 'load' in all the worksheets I have created. However, as far as I am aware DP2 can only save Draw files (I have to admit that one of the things I like about the simple DP program, TextEase, is that files can be saved as Draw Files) Thanks in anticipation. Andrew Bingham -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ andybing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 30 17:18:28 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86827 for opro ; Wed, 30 Dec 98 17:18:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914955788:20:12533:15; Tue, 29 Dec 98 18:23:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113234; 29 Dec 98 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02919 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:07:33 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (root@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02914 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:07:17 GMT Received: from mbax8ss2 (pm2-47.mcc.ac.uk [194.66.22.107]) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA29822 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:09:57 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:43:47 +0000 From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Saving as A Draw File Message-ID: <9493fbc48%sams@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <36891504.408E@net.ntl.com> X-Organization: Computer Writer, Techie and CS Student X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Pete Bready wrote: > Andy Bingham wrote: > > > > Does anyone know whether it is possible to save a file created in OvnPro as a > > Draw File? > > This would be useful from several programs, or ideally if someone would > come up with a DRAW printer driver! [snip] You could try using David's Print-to-Sprite PDF and program, and then use his !Trace to get a Drawfile from the sprite. :) Would probably generate massive files, but may be a (totally ridiculous but possible) solution :) Regards Sam -- Sam Smith Admin, Friends Spoiler List <> Columnist, Archive Magazine mailto:sams@techie.com : http://www.man.compsoc.org.uk/~sams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 30 17:18:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86821 for opro ; Wed, 30 Dec 98 17:18:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914925508:10:15203:15; Tue, 29 Dec 98 09:58:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106500; 29 Dec 98 9:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA02466 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:41:07 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02461 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:40:55 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.102]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA3590 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:33:46 +0000 Message-ID: <36891504.408E@net.ntl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:44:36 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Saving as A Draw File References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Andy Bingham wrote: > > Does anyone know whether it is possible to save a file created in OvnPro as a > Draw File? This would be useful from several programs, or ideally if someone would come up with a DRAW printer driver! Until that great day, what I do in these circumstances is print to a postscript file and use RiScript (the old PD version seems fine for when I've needed to use it) to convert the said file to Draw format. Occasionally I've had to use Drawchanger or similar to tidy up the resulting file (usually for 'thin' lines). I've done this on several occasions to get a spreadsheet table out from Fireworkz into Ovation et al. Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 30 17:18:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86837 for opro ; Wed, 30 Dec 98 17:18:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914968272:10:26442:16; Tue, 29 Dec 98 21:51:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025873; 29 Dec 98 21:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA03167 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:36:38 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA03162 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:36:26 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.115) [194.69.101.115] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zv6oq-0000DA-00; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:36:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:02:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bc37c675df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Well fellow Ov Pro users. Coming over as I did from Impression Publisher when Ov Pro was first released, and here we are at the start of 1999 with the Acorn news thats gone before, I'm wondering if we are going to be left in a sort of Limbo, as we were with Publisher. I find no fault with David Pilling who's exemplary service and support is an outstanding example for us all. But... As good as Ov Pro has become, there are still a few straight forward bits and pieces that are needed, seriously needed. 1) We still do not have reliable and straightforward Index/Contents facilities. Yes, granted there are two third party Index applets, and one Contents applet. Unfortunately, One index and the Contents applets are very unreliable and slow. The other Index applet by David Breakwell is a good effort, but again unfortunately I've yet to produce a satisfactory Index with it (probably me being thick). I find it cumbersome to use and can't understand half of what's supposed to happen with it. At least with the Publisher way (and Mr Bonds Index applet) you get a visual clue about what's happening, invisible bookmarks are really of limited use. I mean Chaps... I keep taking out Ov Pro docs as text, sticking them in Publisher, twiddle the pages a bit so's the text is on the same numbered pages, and creating an index there, before saving the index as text and putting that into Ov Pro... I really would prefer to get a life.... 2) This has been mentioned before in this List, But We are seriously lacking in Import/export filters. 3) Good 'ol Ov Pro Masterpages still need some work. I'm sure the Pro users among us could add to this list... Well I could add a few more myself, but my main concern is the lack of these common facilities. I wonder If someone@beebug might like to put as all in the picture, about the direction that Ov Pro is... or is not going. I like Ov Pro very much, but it is beginning, even after this relatively short time to look a bit shabby around the edges. Best wishes for the new year to all. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 30 17:19:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86839 for opro ; Wed, 30 Dec 98 17:19:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 914969793:10:13235:19; Tue, 29 Dec 98 22:16:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013118; 29 Dec 98 22:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03250 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:03:05 GMT Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA03245 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:02:53 GMT Received: from parkroad.u-net.com [195.102.198.210] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0zv7E5-0002LE-00; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:02:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:23:39 +0000 (GMT) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Saving as A Draw File To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <36891504.408E@net.ntl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Dec, Pete Bready wrote: > Andy Bingham wrote: > > > > Does anyone know whether it is possible to save a file created in OvnPro as a > > Draw File? > > This would be useful from several programs, or ideally if someone would > come up with a DRAW printer driver! > > Until that great day, what I do in these circumstances is print to a > postscript file and use RiScript (the old PD version seems fine for when > I've needed to use it) to convert the said file to Draw format. > Occasionally I've had to use Drawchanger or similar to tidy up the > resulting file (usually for 'thin' lines). > > I've done this on several occasions to get a spreadsheet table out from > Fireworkz into Ovation et al. > I haven't tried this, but couldn't you use !Paint to capture the part(s) of the screen needed, then transfer this/these to !Draw ? -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 30 21:11:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86878 for opro ; Wed, 30 Dec 98 21:11:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915042030:10:13911:23; Wed, 30 Dec 98 18:20:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111707; 30 Dec 98 18:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA04183 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:06:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04178 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:06:09 GMT Received: from [158.152.251.209] (helo=bifrost.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zvQ14-0005EH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:06:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by bifrost.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:06:35 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:02:00 +0000 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Message-ID: <48BCA01113%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48bc37c675df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48bc37c675df.symes@argonet.co.uk> "D.A.Symes" wrote: > Well fellow Ov Pro users. > > Coming over as I did from Impression Publisher when Ov Pro was first > released, and here we are at the start of 1999 with the Acorn news thats > gone before, I'm wondering if we are going to be left in a sort of Limbo, > as we were with Publisher. > > I find no fault with David Pilling who's exemplary service and support is > an outstanding example for us all. > > But... > > As good as Ov Pro has become, there are still a few straight forward bits > and pieces that are needed, seriously needed. To this list I'd add 'keep together' support. Having to go through an entire document before printing, and ensuring there aren't any headings at the bottom of columns etc is a real pain, and really shouldn't be necessary. -- Be seeing you, Sam. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 30 21:11:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86880 for opro ; Wed, 30 Dec 98 21:11:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915044075:10:28936:16; Wed, 30 Dec 98 18:54:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028907; 30 Dec 98 18:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA04339 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:45:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04334 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:45:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zvQdC-0000kd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:46:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 98 18:20:15 GMT Message-Id: <86876@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I wonder If someone@beebug might like to put as all in the picture, about >the direction that Ov Pro is... or is not going. Perhaps it should be pointed out that someone@beebug does not read this list. I'm sorry to have to say it, but there are some reasons for the lack of progress. Firstly the Acorn situation - can anyone now pretend that the number of Acorn users is ever going to increase? Second the Beebug situation. They're never going to do any more work, but most of the income from the program is still going into their pockets. For me the fear is that I'd do another years work, at the end of it, 50% of the user base will have bought PC's or Macs or whatever and I'm left as the author of a program that no one uses. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 30 21:12:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86883 for opro ; Wed, 30 Dec 98 21:12:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915048723:20:29284:15; Wed, 30 Dec 98 20:12:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028971; 30 Dec 98 20:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA04487 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:02:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA04482 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:01:52 GMT Received: from (193.149.92.109) [193.149.92.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zvRp3-00077o-00; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:02:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:56:28 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro With regard to Import & Export filters, perhaps a deal with Icon Technology could be made in respect of their established Word reading/writing technique. EasiWriter seems to deal with Word 6,7 & 8 format documents quite happily, and they have produced a derivative product, Easireader, which allows email attachments in Word format to be viewed. Dave D -- __ _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| Real address as above Certified No42 in the Phoebe queue -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 30 22:45:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86895 for opro ; Wed, 30 Dec 98 22:45:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915053736:20:10626:15; Wed, 30 Dec 98 21:35:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010346; 30 Dec 98 21:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA04676 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:23:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA04671 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:22:49 GMT Received: from (194.69.102.46) [194.69.102.46] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zvT5O-0000eQ-00; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:23:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:33:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bcb8ef33df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: <86876@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <86876@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I wonder If someone@beebug might like to put as all in the picture, > >about the direction that Ov Pro is... or is not going. > Perhaps it should be pointed out that someone@beebug does not read this > list. > I'm sorry to have to say it, but there are some reasons for the lack of > progress. > Firstly the Acorn situation - can anyone now pretend that the number of > Acorn users is ever going to increase? Yup! > Second the Beebug situation. They're never going to do any more work, > but most of the income from the program is still going into their > pockets. > For me the fear is that I'd do another years work, at the end of it, 50% > of the user base will have bought PC's or Macs or whatever and I'm left > as the author of a program that no one uses. > David Pilling Indeed David, it was those kind of thoughts that prompted me to write my wish list for 1999. It must be a bit heartbreaking for you... the massive amount of work you've already done on Ov Pro, to see it all (possibly) fade away. Perhaps Gerald's solution to the ColtonSoft difficulty might be a way forward. I use Eureka the spreadsheet and an excellent app it is, but development work stopped at least a year and a half ago, maybe a bit more than that. It still needs development it'll never get, and the last but one quite problematic bug (yes it was a biggish bug) took over a year to get sorted. Granted the support team at Logo.com do try to be helpful, but the latest problem I'm having with it, has again been running around for something like four months. Not much use when you're trying to use a piece of software to run a business. As the Author of said software has gone to the USA, I somehow doubt this one will ever get sorted along with a few others I've reported. It's a damn shame about Ov Pro, in most respects it's an excellent piece of work, but I fear like a couple of others I've been talking to recently, that I shall have to move some of my stuff back to publisher. David, regards and best wishes for 1999. Dave Symes -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 31 14:02:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86907 for opro ; Thu, 31 Dec 98 14:02:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915101201:20:10295:15; Thu, 31 Dec 98 10:46:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009789; 31 Dec 98 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA05329 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:36:51 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA05324 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:36:40 GMT Received: from [194.222.34.50] (helo=pennic.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zvfTm-0000ck-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:37:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:36:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bd061e0bsps@pennic.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: <86876@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <86876@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I wonder If someone@beebug might like to put as all in the picture, about > >the direction that Ov Pro is... or is not going. > Perhaps it should be pointed out that someone@beebug does not read this list. > I'm sorry to have to say it, but there are some reasons for > the lack of progress. > Firstly the Acorn situation - can anyone now pretend that the number of > Acorn users is ever going to increase? > Second the Beebug situation. They're never going to do any more work, but > most of the income from the program is still going into their pockets. > For me the fear is that I'd do another years work, at the end of it, 50% > of the user base will have bought PC's or Macs or whatever and I'm left as > the author of a program that no one uses. David your reaction and fears are entirely understandable but the quickest way to ensure that you become "the author of a program that no one uses" is to halt development. What has to be addressed is how those of us who want to continue to use the program can pay you for any time you use in developing the the program further. Much depends on your contract with Beebug. If they are going to sit back, do nothing and cream off most of any profit from your further labours then I can understand your reluctance to carry on. If this is the case and there is no way out of the situation we may as well face the fact that development is effectively at an end. If however there is some way in which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for continued development please could you let us know. Finally as a user of your software and a recipient of your help on occasions I would like to thank you for your contribution to the Acorn scene over the years. Happy New Year. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard || || || || Specialist Psychological Services ||||| |||| ||||| 8 Loxley Road, London SW18 3LJ || || || Tel. +44 (0) 181 874 1569 ||||| |||| ||||| sps@pennic.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 31 14:03:04 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86910 for opro ; Thu, 31 Dec 98 14:02:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915109310:20:19848:16; Thu, 31 Dec 98 13:01:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019684; 31 Dec 98 13:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA05651 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:49:02 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05646 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:48:48 GMT Received: from modem-89.cisapride.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.57.89] helo=rayd) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zvhXf-0001C1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:49:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:37:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bd0bb342rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: <86876@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <86876@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Second the Beebug situation. They're never going to do any more work, but > most of the income from the program is still going into their pockets. Not a lot new here. > For me the fear is that I'd do another years work, at the end of it, 50% > of the user base will have bought PC's or Macs or whatever and I'm left > as the author of a program that no one uses. Does your contract with Beebug preclude you from producing add-ons for Ovation Pro? If not, then by producing importers/exporters and the like will increase the OP userbase. I'm having to use PC applications for dtp more and more now as clients want the files for their own use afterwards. They know nothing about OP, so I have to give them files that they can use - and not just text files either. With more I/O filters I could use OP exclusively, and I'm sure other Acorn users would turn to it as it would allow them to work across platforms. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 31 14:03:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86915 for opro ; Thu, 31 Dec 98 14:03:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915102761:10:00037:21; Thu, 31 Dec 98 11:12:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111167; 31 Dec 98 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA05469 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:03:15 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05464 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:03:02 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p20-max5.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.241.148]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA0 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:55:49 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Printing with v2.51 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <614991b948%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB05469 On Fri 25 Dec, Alan Muscat wrote: > In message <86695@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: <** Oft repeated Instructions Snipped> > > If you miss stage 2, then you'll get the above problem, and things li= ke > > "template fields" not found. Because things like the new Messages fil= e and > > Templates won't have been copied into your new version. > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > What a patient man. Abosolutly ! must agree with you here Alan, very patiently tells us where we went wrong, no matter how many times us drongos mess it up. Good one Ian... --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you...Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis = Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 31 16:30:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86930 for opro ; Thu, 31 Dec 98 16:30:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915115995:10:09903:19; Thu, 31 Dec 98 14:53:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121220; 31 Dec 98 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA05824 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:40:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA05819 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:40:00 GMT Received: from (193.149.82.93) [193.149.82.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zvjHH-0002uo-00; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:40:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(ovation) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:17:55 +0000 X-Organization: Locationworks, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 31 Dec 98 (11:37:39 +0000), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Does your contract with Beebug preclude you from producing add-ons for >Ovation Pro? If not, then by producing importers/exporters and the like >will increase the OP userbase. I couldn't agree more. I had a word recently with Quentin Payne at Apricote, which produces the accounts software, Prophet. The conversation started off very gloomy (it was shortly after Black Thursday), and Quentin was saying he couldn't see that there would be a market for Prophet 4. I, on the other hand, suggested that my life would be made a lot easier if I could hand our end-of-year accounts over to our accountant in a format that could be loaded straight into Sage or any other "industry-standard" package. It was one of those glorious "ah-ha!" moments... (Prophet 4 is on its way, folks!) We as a company will be using Acorns for the foreseeable future, however we have to live in a world populated by so-called "standard" machines, so inter-platform exchangeability is very important. Then there are others who will want to jump ship, but who have databases, documents, etc, in Acorn format which they will want to have access to in the future. Either of the above categories will be extremely interested in importers/exporters, and, I'm sure, would be willing to pay. The price of compatibility is a lot less than the cost of a new computer... -- Kell Gatherer kell@locationworks.com www.locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 31 17:13:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86936 for opro ; Thu, 31 Dec 98 17:13:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915124533:20:26638:16; Thu, 31 Dec 98 17:15:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026401; 31 Dec 98 17:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA06025 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:00:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06020 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:00:17 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zvlT5-0004VW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:01:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 98 16:35:07 GMT Message-Id: <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 31 21:12:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86942 for opro ; Thu, 31 Dec 98 21:12:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915130816:10:05946:15; Thu, 31 Dec 98 19:00:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005614; 31 Dec 98 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA06279 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:48:38 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA06274 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:48:25 GMT Received: from (rayd) [193.149.82.90] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zvn9j-0005w9-00; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:10:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bd2fa82arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? It works very well, for what it does - load Word files into OP. What we also desperately need is a means of getting files out of OP into a useable format for other applications. A good start would be an RTF saver, either directly from OP or an RFT converter for DDL files. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message