From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 2 17:27:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82369 for opro ; Mon, 02 Nov 98 17:27:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910001661:10:29370:29; Mon, 02 Nov 98 10:14:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028832; 2 Nov 98 10:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA03333 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:58:18 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03328 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:58:01 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-12.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.72]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01708 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:57:14 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:00:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: A PostScript Saga To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199810281832.TAA01882@linteuto.teuto.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Oct, Martin Vethake wrote: [snip] ha ha Martin. Actually, not that many people realise that post script's a giant black comedy. If only you had the energy left to laugh. Re Duplex: down here we've got the Sophie Wilson of the Antipodes - Ainsley 'Legend in his own time' Lewis - who hacked up a driver for the Xerox. We never thought there was much of a problem. From OP it's always worked a treat. Ok, I did think it was some sort of miracle the 1st time, but now... So passe. What he did (& he can correct me if he's reading this) is just borrow all the feed defs from the maufacturers set (for the PC), add in eg %%RISCOS_FeedName: A3 duplex at the beginning and shove them all in ps.Feeds(as you suggest).Xerox. So, voila, 14 different feed definitions. The pdf seems fairly generic, bar the addition of obvious lines such as - feed_choices: Printers:ps.Feeds.Xerox - at the end. After the event, of course, it all seems blindingly simple, and as I said, OP hasn't stuttered once. Publisher though... But who cares. It does print both sides of the sheet, but the page ordering is terribly confused. Pity you didn't know about Ainsley. Could have saved you from being subjected to the full force of Application Note 248. Has your hair grown back yet? cheers: tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 14:07:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82463 for opro ; Tue, 03 Nov 98 14:07:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910074169:20:27733:15; Tue, 03 Nov 98 06:22:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027427; 3 Nov 98 6:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA04615 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 06:12:14 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA04610 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 06:11:58 GMT Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.ucs.de [194.77.123.114]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA31355 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:12:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199811030612.HAA31355@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 31 Oct 1998 11:50:28 GMT Subject: Re: A PostScript Saga MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >There is an alternative method which probably falls into the >'quick and dirty' category, but works for us. I create fragment >PS files such as one called DuplexA3 which contains: > > >%%BeginFeature: PageSize A3 >a3 >%%EndFeature >%%RISCOS_FeedName: Landscape double-sided, lower tray >statusdict begin true setduplexmode end >statusdict begin true settumble end >statusdict begin 1 setpapertray end > >I then spool this to the printer just before printing. If it is a >large print job, then I spool the OvPro job to a postscript file first >and drop first the fragment and then the main PS file into the >spool queue. This avoids the commands in the first fragment timing out >whilst waiting for the rest of the print job. > >I have a range of these set up and I find it, on the whole, less of >a fuss than constantly changing the printer configuration settings (even >if I had managed to define these!). We're using a Xerox N32 at present, >but I did a similar thing for an HP Mopier and a larger Kyocera. > This works too but we did not want to use it because the act of printing was meant to done by persons not technical enough. >Actually, since most of these printers will autosense what language is >being used, I recall that you don't have to send the commands as PS >(even if the main print job is PS). So if you know what the PCL codes for >the trays/feed/duplexer are you can write your fragments int hat. > Well, PCL is only available on HP printers mostly, our Kyocera and Lexmark have equivalents (iech, look like regurgitated assembler) but looking through the command specs. reveals that not every feature is supported. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 19:31:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82499 for opro ; Tue, 03 Nov 98 19:31:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910116576:20:11935:24; Tue, 03 Nov 98 18:09:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011653; 3 Nov 98 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA05433 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:09:46 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05428 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:09:33 GMT Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.ucs.de [194.77.123.114]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA13349 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:09:53 +0100 Message-Id: <199811031709.SAA13349@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 03 Nov 1998 08:32:40 GMT Subject: Re: A PostScript Saga MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >On Wed 28 Oct, Martin Vethake wrote: >[snip] [snap] >course, it all seems blindingly simple, and as I said, OP hasn't stuttered >once. Publisher though... But who cares. It does print both sides of the >sheet, but the page ordering is terribly confused. > Yes, that is what I am currently looking into. You can only get front and back of a pamphlet page manually. Publisher does not even look, it just chops Acorn PS-headers completely. Lokk into "!Publish+.Resources.ps." if You want to get it working. >Pity you didn't know about Ainsley. Could have saved you from being subjected >to the full force of Application Note 248. Has your hair grown back yet? > The "Stylish" way IS loads better. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 21:03:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82512 for opro ; Tue, 03 Nov 98 21:03:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910124560:20:07008:17; Tue, 03 Nov 98 20:22:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006885; 3 Nov 98 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05671 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:55:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05666 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:55:11 GMT Received: from [193.237.156.226] (helo=tarazen) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zamY9-00000B-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:55:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:28:09 +0000 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Showing spelling errors Message-ID: <49cc529f48%jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <82260@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: ? X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <82260@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Frequently, one document will appear, after a redraw, with the redrawn > >area hi-lighting EVERY word as mis-spelled! Bright red underlining > >everywhere! > > There was a bug in 2.46 which often caused this effect. That bug > is now gone, so the problem is much less common. However I do think > that I've seen it occasionally. > I had the same problem the other day when I moved selected areas, using OP2.51, I thought I had tracked this down to SRWE applet - removed it and the problem went away. I have not tried to confirm this yet. Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 4 01:21:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82541 for opro ; Wed, 04 Nov 98 01:21:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910134857:20:12513:27; Tue, 03 Nov 98 23:14:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012131; 3 Nov 98 23:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA06023 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:40:19 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06018 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:40:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA06886 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:37:45 GMT Received: from [194.222.132.205] (helo=beebware.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zap2I-0003L8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:34:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:30:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post does not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Warning-1: Sending mail to this address indicates acceptance of X-Warning-2: our Acceptable Use Policy which is on public display X-Warning-3: on our website and via our autoresponder. X-Autoresponder: info@beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I am currently running Ovation Pro 2.50 and Printers 1.54 on Risc OS 3.70 on my RiscPC700 (with 36Mb+2Mb RAM). The problem is colour printing on my Epson Stylus Color 600. I have installed the printer driver for the StylusColor600 from the Acorn User CD-ROM (200th issue) but colour printing is 'odd'. By this I mean that the printer doesn't seem to be printing yellow from RiscOS (cyan and black print alright, not sure about magneta tho). But... running Windows95 from my PC partition does print alright so I know the problem is localised to RiscOS (and not just Ovation Pro). Does anybody know the cause of this problem, or even better, a way to fix it? I also have twin Iomega Zip100 parallel drives attached. Richy C. -- ..sig offering FREE personal numbers (worth 20UKP from Carphone Warehouse) to users of the FREE Beebware Internet service due to be launched on 1st December 1998. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 4 13:58:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82565 for opro ; Wed, 04 Nov 98 13:58:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910172280:20:20413:23; Wed, 04 Nov 98 09:38:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106596; 4 Nov 98 9:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06878 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:24:01 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06873 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:23:48 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-107.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.107]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA02675 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:24:16 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:24:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 04 Nov, David Mc Dowell wrote: > > > > Drop the AU200 Epson 600 Printer driver, its wrong/faulty, and out of date > (it doesn't have 1440 microweave settings for instance) and get and use the > the one (May 1997) from Xemplars site, > That's interesting. You expect the latest issue to be the most up to date! I tried the Xemplar web site and couldn't find any printer drivers. Any more clues? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 4 13:58:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82568 for opro ; Wed, 04 Nov 98 13:58:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910166727:10:22802:18; Wed, 04 Nov 98 08:05:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100267; 4 Nov 98 8:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA06611 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:55:02 GMT Received: from intecc.co.uk (server1.intecc.co.uk [193.243.228.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA06606 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:54:46 GMT Received: by intecc.co.uk from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:01:20 +0000 Received: by intecc.co.uk from dialup2.intecc.co.uk (193.243.228.102::mail daemon,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:01:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:54:51 +0000 (GMT) From: "David Mc Dowell" Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: BAUG: Bottisham Acorn Users Group X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 03 Nov, Richard Chiswell wrote: > Hi, > I am currently running Ovation Pro 2.50 and Printers 1.54 on > Risc OS 3.70 on my RiscPC700 (with 36Mb+2Mb RAM). The problem is > colour printing on my Epson Stylus Color 600. I have installed the > printer driver for the StylusColor600 from the Acorn User > CD-ROM (200th issue) but colour printing is 'odd'. By this I mean > that the printer doesn't seem to be printing yellow from RiscOS (cyan > and black print alright, not sure about magneta tho). > But... running Windows95 from my PC partition does print alright > so I know the problem is localised to RiscOS (and not just Ovation > Pro). > Does anybody know the cause of this problem, or even better, a > way to fix it? > I also have twin Iomega Zip100 parallel drives attached. I have only one Zip drive attached! - but have really excellent results including totally convincing photoreal printouts as good as the results from Windows (spit)! Drop the AU200 Epson 600 Printer driver, its wrong/faulty, and out of date (it doesn't have 1440 microweave settings for instance) and get and use the the one (May 1997) from Xemplars site, Don't ask why Acorn are still providing very unsatisfactory Epson Stylus Color printer drivers - when correct better ones are available 'next door'. The foregoing also applies to the 700 model, and probably applies to the newest 640 and 740 models for which there are no drivers listed. Regards, David. -- David Mc Dowell: Tel: 01480 381996. Acorn User since the Acorn Atom in 1978 Secretary: Bottisham Acorn Users Group - BAUG Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 4 19:31:31 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82602 for opro ; Wed, 04 Nov 98 19:31:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910205406:20:08195:17; Wed, 04 Nov 98 18:50:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008106; 4 Nov 98 18:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA07615 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:23:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07610 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:23:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.218.8] (helo=circlesw.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zb7b7-0006tP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:24:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:46:40 +0000 (GMT) From: John Skingley Subject: Re: Showing spelling errors To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49cc529f48%jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 03 Nov, Jon Keates wrote: > In message <82260@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > >Frequently, one document will appear, after a redraw, with the redrawn > > >area hi-lighting EVERY word as mis-spelled! Bright red underlining > > >everywhere! > > > > There was a bug in 2.46 which often caused this effect. That bug > > is now gone, so the problem is much less common. However I do think > > that I've seen it occasionally. > > > > I had the same problem the other day when I moved selected areas, > using OP2.51, I thought I had tracked this down to SRWE applet - removed > it and the problem went away. I have not tried to confirm this yet. > > Jon I haven't been using that applet, so you may find it wasn't to blame. -- John Skingley -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 4 20:34:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82607 for opro ; Wed, 04 Nov 98 20:34:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910209624:20:21484:17; Wed, 04 Nov 98 20:00:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021199; 4 Nov 98 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA07929 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:41:47 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA07924 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:41:34 GMT Received: from [193.237.156.226] (helo=tarazen) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zb8oi-0005A2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:42:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:07:30 +0000 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Master Page editing Message-ID: <6440cf9f48%jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: ? X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hiya all Some time ago I mentioned that alterations to the Master were not being updated to the rest of the document properly, erratically. Using a Master Page with Headers and Footers set, single page A4, single chapter, although that makes no difference, when I change the text in the Header area and close the Master Page I get only some of the pages being updated. Usually the last one or two at the end of the doc, seems to depend upon where pages have been added. The rest of the document has the old Headers, but no matter what I do with the Master Page it will not correct the rest of the document. The only way to get the document to appear correct is to insert as many new pages as there are in the document at the start and then delete the ones that appear blank at the end. Why do the blank pages not get deleted automatically, down goes to the last true page and every page after is useless, no input cursor. Also, if there is a spelling error in the header the checker goes through every page one by one - there is only one error, and thats on the Master Page ! Also, at times I cannot use the paste board or C or V on the Master Page or enter any text in the Header Area, unless I close the Master Page and re-open it again. Seems to be some confusion, hope this explanation helps. The way I work, I am continually adding, moving and editing text, changing styles - until I am fully content with the document. There seems to be far less problems if I just import text and then set styles. More type 5 exits from version 2.51 - when editing styles. Caret seems to get lost, after using the spell checker. Best Wishes -- Jon - cheesed off with Acorn but staying with RISCOS and ARM -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 4 23:13:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82622 for opro ; Wed, 04 Nov 98 23:13:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910221187:20:12384:20; Wed, 04 Nov 98 23:13:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111214; 4 Nov 98 23:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA08218 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:57:44 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08213 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:57:28 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J3SLW8P92U00GP4B@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:59:57 GMT +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:57:51 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: style-short-cuts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello I've setup some styles with the spare key-couples left in OvP, eg ctrl-h but when i'm typing and i press ctrl-h the style isn't activated. What do i do wrong, do i need to setup something in macros etc? Ovp2.51, Ros3.7, Arm 710, RPC600 greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 01:34:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82625 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 01:34:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910222404:20:22355:25; Wed, 04 Nov 98 23:33:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022334; 4 Nov 98 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA08319 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:21:09 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08312 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:20:57 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zbCF2-0004AZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:21:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 98 23:18:49 GMT Message-Id: <82623@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: style-short-cuts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've setup some styles with the spare key-couples left in OvP, eg ctrl-h >but when i'm typing and i press ctrl-h the style isn't activated. Problem is that by default there is a key macro set up for Control H, and that takes priority. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 01:34:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82627 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 01:34:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910222558:20:23825:15; Wed, 04 Nov 98 23:35:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023771; 4 Nov 98 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA08290 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:19:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08285 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:19:00 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zbCDA-0003yW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:19:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 98 18:22:12 GMT Message-Id: <82598@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Anyone tried HP 1200 A3 colour printer? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded... Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:57:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Anyone tried HP 1200 A3 colour printer? I see HP have recently introduced an A3 colour inkjet, model 1200 I believe, and just under 300UKP. It is quoted as 6(a4)ppm monochrome, 2 (A4) ppm colour. Has anyone tried this on Acorn, and if so, how well does it work? I would be particularly interested in reproduction of photographs in a newsletter (i.e. good newspaper quality rather then photoreal would be acceptable, photoreal would be nice). Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 01:34:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82630 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 01:34:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910222939:10:08501:17; Wed, 04 Nov 98 23:42:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008369; 4 Nov 98 23:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA08405 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:30:21 GMT Received: from intecc.co.uk (server1.intecc.co.uk [193.243.228.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08395 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:30:06 GMT Received: by intecc.co.uk from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:37:11 +0000 Received: by intecc.co.uk from dialup3.intecc.co.uk (193.243.228.103::mail daemon,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:37:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:15:39 +0000 (GMT) From: "David Mc Dowell" Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: BAUG: Bottisham Acorn Users Group X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 04 Nov, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Wed 04 Nov, David Mc Dowell wrote: > > > > > > > > > Drop the AU200 Epson 600 Printer driver, its wrong/faulty, and out of date > > (it doesn't have 1440 microweave settings for instance) and get and use the > > the one (May 1997) from Xemplars site, > > > That's interesting. You expect the latest issue to be the most up to date! > > I tried the Xemplar web site and couldn't find any printer drivers. Any more > clues? Try, - http://www.xemplar.co.uk/ftp/index.html - for PDF 'StyCol600' I wasn't blaming Acorn, as they wrote these excellent drivers for a printer that was still quite state of the art at the beginning of this year, and they did these revised drivers (file dated May 15th 1997) the original Epson PDF's supplied have been much improved to provide the higher resolution colour 720 and 1440dpi microweave printing options. But why are the older incorrect versions still being provided? Tips for all who want best results from their Epson Stylus Color 600/700 printers: - do install the palette files. - !Printers 1.53/1.54 will only offer error diffused quality options, not halftones, because the latter are not recommended by Epson. - do use only special glossy coated paper for 1440x720dpi Microweave photo realistic prints - Viking Direct's Gloss coated Ink Jet paper 140 gsm, is very satisfactory and not *too* expensive. - do use coated paper for 720dpi and everything where you're looking for bright, deep colours 'R de Ray' 100gsm coated, from Staples is very good. - 360x360 microweave is excellent for general purpose colour and B&W and quality text printing, coated paper again for preference. - don't use 720dpi without microweave, the mode is broken (and was not too sensible anyway!) the printout will be corrupted! - Do run the Epson self test once a week if the printer has not been used, helps to prevent clogged jets. If printer doesn't work properly if you follow these points, something has changed in the printer - or your general computer's configuration.:-( Regards, David. -- David Mc Dowell: Tel: 01480 381996. Acorn User since the Acorn Atom in 1978 Secretary: Bottisham Acorn Users Group - BAUG Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 13:58:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82645 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 13:58:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910255662:20:29791:15; Thu, 05 Nov 98 08:47:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029744; 5 Nov 98 8:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA08903 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:29:46 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.freeserve.net (mail1.svr.freeserve.net [194.152.65.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08898 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:29:30 GMT Received: from modem-113.vanadium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.11.113] helo=rayd) by mail1.svr.freeserve.net with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #5) id 0zbKnu-0005Wa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:30:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:32:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <489ff27770rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09l for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: style-short-cuts In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Hello > I've setup some styles with the spare key-couples left in OvP, eg ctrl-h > but when i'm typing and i press ctrl-h the style isn't activated. > What do i do wrong, do i need to setup something in macros etc? You will find that Macros..Key has C_H set up for {objectbackward(1)} which presumably takes precedence over using it as a spare keypress. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 13:58:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82647 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 13:58:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910259169:20:06445:23; Thu, 05 Nov 98 09:46:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006407; 5 Nov 98 9:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA09206 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:26:03 GMT Received: from blaeu.student.uva.nl (blaeu.student.uva.nl [146.50.96.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09201 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:25:51 GMT Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (lon-c45-040-vty129.as.wcom.net [195.232.21.129]) by blaeu.student.uva.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA3AEE for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:19:15 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:54:39 +0000 (GMT) From: "M. Launhardt" Subject: Re: Anyone tried HP 1200 A3 colour printer? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <82598@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 04 Nov, alan.adams@gecm.com wrote: > > Forwarded... > > > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:57:48 +0000 (GMT) > From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 > Subject: Anyone tried HP 1200 A3 colour printer? > > > I see HP have recently introduced an A3 colour inkjet, model 1200 I believe, > and just under 300UKP. It is quoted as 6(a4)ppm monochrome, 2 (A4) ppm colour. > > Has anyone tried this on Acorn, and if so, how well does it work? > I would be particularly interested in reproduction of photographs in a > newsletter (i.e. good newspaper quality rather then photoreal would be > acceptable, photoreal would be nice). > > > > Alan Adams I have tried the HP Stylus Color 1520 (A3) with Acorn's HP 800 printer driver. Never had any trouble. Make shure you have the latest drivers and pallette files. See also David Mc Dowell's message earlier on. Michael ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael.Launhardt@student.uva.nl / tel: +31-20-6371890 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 13:58:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82648 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 13:58:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910263349:20:23519:18; Thu, 05 Nov 98 10:55:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023384; 5 Nov 98 10:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09496 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:40:31 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09491 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:40:19 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-119.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.119]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA22519 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:41:00 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:40:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 04 Nov, David Mc Dowell wrote: > In on Wed 04 Nov, Alf Chamings wrote: > Try, - http://www.xemplar.co.uk/ftp/index.html - for PDF 'StyCol600' > > > I wasn't blaming Acorn, as they wrote these excellent drivers for > a printer that was still quite state of the art at the beginning of this > year, and they did these revised drivers (file dated May 15th 1997) > the original Epson PDF's supplied have been much improved to provide the > higher resolution colour 720 and 1440dpi microweave printing options. > > But why are the older incorrect versions still being provided? > > Tips for all who want best results from their Epson Stylus Color > 600/700 printers: > > - do install the palette files. > > - !Printers 1.53/1.54 will only offer error diffused quality options, not > halftones, because the latter are not recommended by Epson. > > - do use only special glossy coated paper for 1440x720dpi Microweave photo > realistic prints - Viking Direct's Gloss coated Ink Jet paper 140 gsm, > is very satisfactory and not *too* expensive. > > - do use coated paper for 720dpi and everything where you're looking for > bright, deep colours 'R de Ray' 100gsm coated, from Staples is very > good. > > - 360x360 microweave is excellent for general purpose colour and B&W and > quality text printing, coated paper again for preference. > > - don't use 720dpi without microweave, the mode is broken (and was not > too sensible anyway!) the printout will be corrupted! > > - Do run the Epson self test once a week if the printer has not been used, > helps to prevent clogged jets. > > If printer doesn't work properly if you follow these points, something has > changed in the printer - or your general computer's configuration.:-( > Thanks for all this - very useful! But the url doesn't work. (Not a great problem for me since Andre van den Berg kindly sent me the pdf.) It seems to be an Xemplar generated error message, because the page ends, 'there is no place like home'. 'home' gives a link to the Xemplar home page. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 13:59:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82650 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 13:59:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910256428:10:17909:17; Thu, 05 Nov 98 09:00:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017867; 5 Nov 98 9:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA08953 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:44:00 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08948 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:43:47 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J3T6CM8LBG00HQTW@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:45:05 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:42:47 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: style-short-cuts In-reply-to: <82623@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <82623@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > >I've setup some styles with the spare key-couples left in OvP, eg ctrl-h > >but when i'm typing and i press ctrl-h the style isn't activated. > > Problem is that by default there is a key macro set up for Control H, > and that takes priority. > huh??? In the quick reference guide both ctrl-H and ctrl-shift-H don't have a function. Anyway when i use ctrl-shift-T for a style, it works, althoug there is a macro for textflow with ctrl-shift-T But what key-macros are "free", how do i know if they are free? greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 13:59:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82654 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 13:59:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910263346:10:06250:19; Thu, 05 Nov 98 10:55:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006153; 5 Nov 98 10:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09471 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:39:25 GMT Received: from black.xemplar.co.uk (black.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA09466 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:39:06 GMT Received: from xn064.xemplar.co.uk (xn064.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.64]) by black.xemplar.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23373 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:12:46 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:26:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Hobbs Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Xemplar Education Ltd X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 04 Nov, David Mc Dowell wrote: > > > In on Tue 03 Nov, Richard Chiswell wrote: > > Hi, > > I am currently running Ovation Pro 2.50 and Printers 1.54 on > > Risc OS 3.70 on my RiscPC700 (with 36Mb+2Mb RAM). The problem is > > colour printing on my Epson Stylus Color 600. I have installed the > > printer driver for the StylusColor600 from the Acorn User > > CD-ROM (200th issue) but colour printing is 'odd'. By this I mean > > that the printer doesn't seem to be printing yellow from RiscOS (cyan > > and black print alright, not sure about magneta tho). > > But... running Windows95 from my PC partition does print alright > > so I know the problem is localised to RiscOS (and not just Ovation > > Pro). > > Does anybody know the cause of this problem, or even better, a > > way to fix it? > > I also have twin Iomega Zip100 parallel drives attached. > > > I have only one Zip drive attached! - but have really excellent results > including totally convincing photoreal printouts as good as the results > from Windows (spit)! > > Drop the AU200 Epson 600 Printer driver, its wrong/faulty, and out of date > (it doesn't have 1440 microweave settings for instance) and get and use the > the one (May 1997) from Xemplars site, The one on the Xemplar site IS the Acorn one. We don't produce printer drivers (currently anyway). Obviously AU put an old one on the CD. Colour printing is likely to be 'odd' since new palette files usually need to be supplied with each new printer. > > Don't ask why Acorn are still providing very unsatisfactory Epson Stylus > Color printer drivers - when correct better ones are available 'next door'. > The reason Acorn don't keep up with development of new printer definition files is that it would be a full time job keeping up with the 25 new printers a month that get launched onto the market and nobody pays a cent toward that work. Thats part of the reason why Acorn have lost money. In the light of Acorn's dropping the workstation group I would not be surprised if they don't ever produce any more pdfs. It would be prudent for people to propagate this caution because I get bitterly disappointed customers every week saying they have bought a new printer and "where are the Acorn drivers?". > The foregoing also applies to the 700 model, and probably applies to the > newest 640 and 740 models for which there are no drivers listed. As far as I am aware the 600 pdf works with the 640 (though probably doesn't support all features). I am informed that the 740 will not work at all on Acorn machines. > > Regards, David. > -- > > David Mc Dowell: Tel: 01480 381996. > Acorn User since the Acorn Atom in 1978 > Secretary: Bottisham Acorn Users Group - BAUG > Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom. -- Mike Hobbs Xemplar Education Ltd Tel: 44 (0)1223 724266 The Quorum, Barnwell Road Fax: 44 (0)1223 724324 Cambridge, CB5 8RE. WWW: http://www.xemplar.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 13:59:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82655 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 13:59:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910263413:10:06779:22; Thu, 05 Nov 98 10:56:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110441; 5 Nov 98 10:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09455 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:37:38 GMT Received: from black.xemplar.co.uk (black.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA09450 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:37:15 GMT Received: from xn064.xemplar.co.uk (xn064.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.64]) by black.xemplar.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23817 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:00:30 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:14:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Hobbs Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Xemplar Education Ltd X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 04 Nov, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Wed 04 Nov, David Mc Dowell wrote: > > > > > > > > > Drop the AU200 Epson 600 Printer driver, its wrong/faulty, and out of date > > (it doesn't have 1440 microweave settings for instance) and get and use the > > the one (May 1997) from Xemplars site, > > > That's interesting. You expect the latest issue to be the most up to date! > > I tried the Xemplar web site and couldn't find any printer drivers. Any more > clues? > > Alf > -- > mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk > Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh > tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 > http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health The best place to go for pdfs is http://support.xemplar.co.uk/ (thats our technical support web page). The Xemplar home page is run by the marketroids and may not point to technically useful stuff. -- Mike Hobbs Xemplar Education Ltd Tel: 44 (0)1223 724266 The Quorum, Barnwell Road Fax: 44 (0)1223 724324 Cambridge, CB5 8RE. WWW: http://www.xemplar.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 17:15:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82665 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 17:14:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910280366:20:05669:21; Thu, 05 Nov 98 15:39:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104879; 5 Nov 98 15:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA10036 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:11:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10031 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:11:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zbR4k-0006MF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:11:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 15:03:45 GMT Message-Id: <82660@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: style-short-cuts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In the quick reference guide both ctrl-H and ctrl-shift-H don't have a >function. True, but after the quick reference was written it was decided to add some key presses for shifting objects. They're added as key macros. >Anyway when i use ctrl-shift-T for a style, it works, althoug >there is a macro for textflow with ctrl-shift-T There's a hierarchy, of key presses, not necessarily in this order, key macros, key presses on menus, key presses bound to styles, key presses tied to functions inside the main program. >But what key-macros are "free", how do i know if they are free? Only by observation. With hindsight it would have been better to have a system that only allowed one function per key. Then instead of the fun with 'why doesn't XXX work', we could have had fun with 'why when I load applet XXX do I get this error about a key already in use'. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 18:40:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82671 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 18:40:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910288669:20:05977:64; Thu, 05 Nov 98 17:57:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126177; 5 Nov 98 17:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA10242 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:21:14 GMT Received: from black.xemplar.co.uk (black.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA10237 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:20:50 GMT Received: from xn064.xemplar.co.uk (xn064.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.64]) by black.xemplar.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03630 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:17:39 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:20:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Hobbs Subject: Re: Anyone tried HP 1200 A3 colour printer? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Xemplar Education Ltd X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 04 Nov, alan.adams@gecm.com wrote: > > Forwarded... > > > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:57:48 +0000 (GMT) > From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 > Subject: Anyone tried HP 1200 A3 colour printer? > > > I see HP have recently introduced an A3 colour inkjet, model 1200 I believe, > and just under 300UKP. It is quoted as 6(a4)ppm monochrome, 2 (A4) ppm colour. > > Has anyone tried this on Acorn, and if so, how well does it work? > I would be particularly interested in reproduction of photographs in a > newsletter (i.e. good newspaper quality rather then photoreal would be > acceptable, photoreal would be nice). > > > > Alan Adams It doesn't work at all. The hardware in the HP DeskJet 1200 is special. Thats why there is no pdf for it. Actually the 1200 is quite old. HP's equivalent new ones are the 1120C (A3/A4), 1150C (Fax), 1600 (A4). There are no pdfs for these but some may work with pdfs for other HP printers although features may be limited. I've heard of people having problems printing in A3 on these new printers using the DJ850C pdf but I haven't got the kit to try it myself. -- Mike Hobbs Xemplar Education Ltd Tel: 44 (0)1223 724266 The Quorum, Barnwell Road Fax: 44 (0)1223 724324 Cambridge, CB5 8RE. WWW: http://www.xemplar.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 19:29:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82673 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 19:29:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910291632:10:24518:15; Thu, 05 Nov 98 18:47:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024409; 5 Nov 98 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10328 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:09:56 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (root@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10323 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:09:44 GMT Received: from mbax8ss2 (pm1-43.mcc.ac.uk [194.66.22.43]) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12613 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:12:00 GMT Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 17:33:00 +0000 From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Page # of # Message-ID: X-Organization: Computer Writer, Techie and CS Student X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is there any way to get Ovation Pro to put "page x of y" automatically (ie, page 1 of 4 on the first page, 2 of 4 on the second etc). I have an applet (I think - it may be part of the main program) which adds page # (where # is the current page number) but not what page of how many. Regards and thanks in anticipation Sam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 20:45:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82674 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 20:45:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910295331:10:25800:19; Thu, 05 Nov 98 19:48:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125922; 5 Nov 98 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA10584 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:28:02 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10578 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:27:48 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-74.access.ch [195.112.70.74]) by mail.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.08pri) id UAA09011 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:28:34 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:26:00 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Master Page editing To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <6440cf9f48%jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 04 Nov, Jon Keates wrote: > Hiya all > > Some time ago I mentioned that alterations to the Master were not being > updated to the rest of the document properly, erratically. Snip a lot I tried out your problem on a complicated 150 page sized document and do not succeed to find any fault. Allow me to suggest that you delete all or most of your otherwise loaded programs. Then try again. **And after closing** the Master Page ***wait*** until you see that the program picks up again. With my document of over 150 pages it took about 8 seconds before the pages filled in. On a RPC_SA! Did you ever ask a typist to type 157 A4 pages aknew in 8 seconds ... In general, when facing such problems, try deleting any programs not needed for what you are doing. In most cases this might give an indication where things go wrong. Within *your* computer. And reading manuals once more does help. Experience has shown me this to be true. Even lately with DP's Twain drivers. I missed something, my mistake. Hope this helps. Regards JohnV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 22:08:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82686 for opro ; Thu, 05 Nov 98 22:08:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910300945:20:24404:19; Thu, 05 Nov 98 21:22:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024426; 5 Nov 98 21:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA10824 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:55:35 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10819 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:55:22 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.26]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA4120 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:50:01 +0000 Message-ID: <364281FA.231A@net.ntl.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 20:58:34 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page # of # References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sam Smith wrote: > > Is there any way to get Ovation Pro to put "page x of y" > automatically (ie, page 1 of 4 on the first page, 2 of 4 on the > second etc). I have an applet (I think - it may be part of the > main program) which adds page # (where # is the current page > number) but not what page of how many. > > Regards and thanks in anticipation > Sam > > -- > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message We really need a FAQs list, this is the fourth or fifth time I've posted this - I know how David P must feel at times. No problem however :-) Put the MERGE commands shown below into a file, set its type to OVPDDL, open a blank Ovpro document and drag the OVPDDL file to it, then use Misc/Insert/merge tag to insert the necessary merge fields. Then preview the document using File/Mail Merge, clicking on the 'First' button to see the results. Cheers Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com MERGE_02={merge 901 "time" "{gettimestring(\"%24:%MI:%SE\",macv)}"} MERGE_03={merge 902 "filename" "{fileinfo(currentfile(),macv)}"} MERGE_04={merge 903 "numpages" "{int i,n,f,c;f=currentfile();c=documentchapters(f);for(i=0;i; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:56:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zbc53-00016T-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:56:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 98 01:31:46 GMT Message-Id: <82709@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master Page editing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tried out your problem on a complicated 150 page sized document and do not >succeed to find any fault. I feel I should respond to the original point. I do think there are some remaining oddities (aka 'bugs') in this area. I'm not so sure that they are as general as the original posting might be interepreted as indicating. It's always good to get very specific examples of bugs. But I did think the original message was a good summary of things to look at. Updating master pages can be slow too. I guess that is something that could be fixed. But watch out if you think the program has crashed in this situation. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 13:47:02 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82726 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 13:47:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910347427:20:08459:49; Fri, 06 Nov 98 10:17:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008370; 6 Nov 98 10:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA11544 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:47:16 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11539 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:47:01 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:44:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:42:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a0ae2bdbC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Master Page editing In-Reply-To: <82709@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <82709@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling was very honest as usual and wrote: > I feel I should respond to the original point. I do think there are > some remaining oddities (aka 'bugs') in this area. I was using a three chapter document yesterday (OP 2.51). Made the decision to alter the footers on the master pages. When the master pages were closed, only the first chapter was updated correctly. The second and third chapters appeared to not only lose their footers, but the first page became "uneditable". I messed around, and by inserting a page at the start of the chapter and then deleting it again, things appeared to correct themselves, and the document seems ok again. I have had these occasional odditities but nothing that is repeatable. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 13:47:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82730 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 13:47:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910349523:20:02075:48; Fri, 06 Nov 98 10:52:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102148; 6 Nov 98 10:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11576 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:02:52 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11570 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:02:40 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:01:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:00:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a0afcd77C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Page # of # In-Reply-To: <364281FA.231A@net.ntl.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <364281FA.231A@net.ntl.com>, > We really need a FAQs list, this is the fourth or fifth time I've > posted this - I know how David P must feel at times. No problem > however :-) This one I will get into my embryonic FAQ page tonight!! Sorry my additions to the pages tend to be sporadic, but I do have other things to do, what with lectures, lab classes, TQAs (teaching quality audits/assessments) etc etc. There always seems to be something interfering with my hobbies 8-)) Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 13:47:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82732 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 13:47:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910356065:20:15398:61; Fri, 06 Nov 98 12:41:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104499; 6 Nov 98 12:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA11872 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:46:51 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA11867 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:46:39 GMT Received: from [212.228.115.239] (helo=a-ingram.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zbkMH-00031i-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:47:17 +0000 Message-ID: <3642E13B.BEFFFFEE@a-ingram.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:44:59 +0000 From: Andrew Ingram X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I recently saw the output from one of these Epson Stylus printers (can't remember the model but it cost about 200quid). Anyway, the output amazed me (output came from a PC), it was like a magazine, especially using the shiny paper. I hadn't realized how far these colour ink jets had come in the last few years (I've got an HP DJ 560C which is pretty crappy in comparison). Anyway, I'd like one now and was wondering if you lot could recommend the best of these new breed of colour ink jets which has a DECENT ACORN DRIVER!!! (i.e. comparable to the output you'd get from the PC). By "best" I mean a colour A4 inkjet which is under 300pounds having at least the quality if this Epson that I saw. It doesn't have to be one of the Epson's, it just happened to be the printer that "opened my eyes". Sorry for this being a bit off topic but I was truly amazed when I saw it and really want to get one now (one that I can plug into my hub and use Omni print and also print from my PC would be good but not essential). Regards, Andrew -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 13:47:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82736 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 13:47:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910355858:10:14601:28; Fri, 06 Nov 98 12:37:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014803; 6 Nov 98 12:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA11825 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:40:48 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA11820 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:40:35 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:35:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a0b880baC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Growing file sizes with pictures Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Try something similar to the following. Open blank default document. Check file size, about 24k. Construct a frame on the page and drop a graphic in. Check file size, about 4.6Mb (its a 24 bit sprite). Change your mind, and drop a different version of the graphic into the same frame. The old graphic is overwritten by the new graphic. Check file size, its now about 9.3Mb. OK - still not happy with the graphic. Drop a third version in to the same frame. Still only one picture in document, but file size is now 14Mb. Now comes the crunch. Delete the graphic frame. We now have a blank document, but it still has a file size of 14Mb. Saving and reloading does not change this. These deleted graphics are still in the apparently blank document. I realised this was happening yesterday, when my Syquest SyJet, which is usually pretty nippy, seemed to be getting far slower than a floppy disc, when I was making changes to some slides I was making up for a lecture. You can get the genuine blank document back by saving as a DDL file. Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon, or am I doing something stupid, as I often do, because I tend not to RTFM. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 14:34:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82753 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 14:34:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910360911:10:15737:16; Fri, 06 Nov 98 14:01:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015673; 6 Nov 98 14:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA12044 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:00:34 GMT Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12039 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:00:18 GMT Received: from ecdbvxs4all.nl (dc2-modem1388.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.108]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09334; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:01:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:57:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Andrew Ingram In-Reply-To: <3642E13B.BEFFFFEE@a-ingram.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 06 Nov, Andrew Ingram wrote: > Anyway, I'd like one now and was wondering if you lot could recommend > the best of these new breed of colour ink jets which has a DECENT ACORN > DRIVER!!! (i.e. comparable to the output you'd get from the PC). In our (ecd's) opinion, Epson is the best. If you want speed and quality, go for the 800. If speed is not so important: the 600. For the 'photo' styluses you need special drivers (I think Spacetech). for our own use we have the Stylus 3000 A2 printer (which used to be the 1520) both are excellent!) Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Tel. +31(0)70 319 4343 Fax: +31(0)70 319 4963 VATNo: NL009507590B01 Acorn E-mail : ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail : avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail : info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage : http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 17:08:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82757 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 17:08:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910368775:10:27937:21; Fri, 06 Nov 98 16:12:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027644; 6 Nov 98 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12472 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:33:37 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12467 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:33:22 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:19:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:19:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a0cd0414C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Growing file sizes with pictures In-Reply-To: <82737@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <82737@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >OK - still not happy with the graphic. Drop a third version in to the > >same frame. Still only one picture in document, but file size is now > >14Mb. > Could be one for the FAQ, but the most obvious suggestion is to flush > the undo buffer. Min Memory from the main Misc menu. Ok - but what does iconbar icon menu -> choices -> general apply to, where there is a save buffer size setting? Mine is set to 16K. I sort of assumed this was a maximum value. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 17:08:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82758 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 17:08:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910365885:20:09193:38; Fri, 06 Nov 98 15:24:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009341; 6 Nov 98 15:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA12320 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:35:34 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12315 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:35:22 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zbmzr-0006co-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:36:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 98 13:54:08 GMT Message-Id: <82737@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Growing file sizes with pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OK - still not happy with the graphic. Drop a third version in to the >same frame. Still only one picture in document, but file size is now >14Mb. Could be one for the FAQ, but the most obvious suggestion is to flush the undo buffer. Min Memory from the main Misc menu. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 17:08:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82759 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 17:08:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910369308:10:05312:15; Fri, 06 Nov 98 16:21:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005283; 6 Nov 98 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12565 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:56:20 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12560 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:56:03 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:25:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:25:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a0cd8b53C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Growing file sizes with pictures In-Reply-To: <802566B4.004E8B64.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <802566B4.004E8B64.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel>, wrote: > Also the clipboard (cut & paste buffer) can get saved with the file > So the last thing deleted will be here as well. Does this mean that, if one is editing several documents at the same time, as I regularly do, then a huge graphic sitting on the clipboard from one document, could get saved with another document which has never had a graphic near it? Or is there a separate clipboard for each document? Chris (Sorry - its been a bad week and my brain has slipped out of gear) -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 17:08:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82760 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 17:08:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910367059:20:23170:92; Fri, 06 Nov 98 15:44:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023495; 6 Nov 98 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA12238 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:25:00 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12233 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:24:45 GMT From: Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20857 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:25:40 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id OAA13228 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:20:07 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802566B4.004E8B64.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:26:00 +0000 Subject: Re: Growing file sizes with pictures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Open blank default document. Check file size, about 24k. > Construct a frame on the page and drop a graphic in. Check file size, > about 4.6Mb (its a 24 bit sprite). > Change your mind, and drop a different version of the graphic into the > same frame. The old graphic is overwritten by the new graphic. Check > file size, its now about 9.3Mb. > OK - still not happy with the graphic. Drop a third version in to the > same frame. Still only one picture in document, but file size is now > 14Mb. > Now comes the crunch. Delete the graphic frame. We now have a blank > document, but it still has a file size of 14Mb. Saving and reloading > does not change this. These deleted graphics are still in the > apparently blank document. Isn't this just the undo buffer being saved with the file. There is an option somewhere to turn this off. Also the clipboard (cut & paste buffer) can get saved with the file So the last thing deleted will be here as well. There is also a command somewhere to clear all these out (minimise memory?) to release space. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 18:58:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82767 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 18:58:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910375543:10:21993:15; Fri, 06 Nov 98 18:05:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122639; 6 Nov 98 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA12855 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:25:38 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12850 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:25:26 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zbpeR-00036I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:26:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 98 17:11:29 GMT Message-Id: <82763@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Growing file sizes with pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Ok - but what does iconbar icon menu -> choices -> general apply to, >where there is a save buffer size setting? Mine is set to 16K. I sort >of assumed this was a maximum value. I think there's a note about this in the manual. You have an undo buffer of the size you specify. Sometimes things are saved in that memory. For example if you delete a word that is 4 letters long then maybe 32 bytes of undo buffer will be used. However other things are saved by reference. So when you delete a picture, maybe 32 bytes are used as a pointer to the old picture. So you've now used 32 bytes of undo space, but 10Mb of image is still in memory. The whole undo system was open to a lot of debate. We could have let you specify how many steps back you wanted to go. But I don't see that making the memory limit apply to referenced objects would have been particularly useful. Few bit maps would fit inside 16K. > Also the clipboard (cut & paste buffer) can get saved with the file > So the last thing deleted will be here as well. This is not correct as far as I know. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 20:51:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82775 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 20:51:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910380409:20:18873:18; Fri, 06 Nov 98 19:26:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018755; 6 Nov 98 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA13090 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:05:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA13085 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:05:35 GMT Received: from (194.69.96.92) [194.69.96.92] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zbrDO-0000fj-00; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:06:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(ovation) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:39:19 +0000 X-Organization: Locationworks, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 6 Nov 98 (13:57:25 +0000), ecdbv@xs4all.nl wrote: >In our (ecd's) opinion, Epson is the best. If you want speed and >quality, go for the 800. If speed is not so important: the 600. > >For the 'photo' styluses you need special drivers (I think Spacetech). Yeah, but I spoke to SpaceTech about their driver and ordered one for our Epson 800. They don't do one for the 800. It's been superceded. Their PhotoReal drivers are for more recent printers. Don't worry, it'll still fit your budget. But expect next year's printers to be even better, even cheaper, and probably even more expensive to run. -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ ovation@locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 20:51:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82778 for opro ; Fri, 06 Nov 98 20:51:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910384503:20:27597:30; Fri, 06 Nov 98 20:35:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120956; 6 Nov 98 20:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA13295 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:10:40 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA13290 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:10:28 GMT Received: (qmail 4276 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1998 20:11:27 -0000 Received: from 18-065.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO maured.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.65) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 1998 20:11:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:05:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: Epson photo colour printer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I use an Epson Stylus Photo 700 and get excellent results on glossy photo paper. I bought it from Spacetech which included their Acorn driver. Cost 232pnds The 700 is a 6 colour ink plus black printing at 1400 x 720dpi. It prints on any paper but one uses 720 dpi for this. -- Maurice Edmundson=========================email:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 7 14:38:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82802 for opro ; Sat, 07 Nov 98 14:37:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910431283:10:09628:15; Sat, 07 Nov 98 09:34:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009579; 7 Nov 98 9:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA13803 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:05:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA13798 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:04:57 GMT Received: from (193.149.93.219) [193.149.93.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zc4Jm-00029z-00; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:06:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:29:32 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 6 Nov 98 (11:44:59 +0000), a.d.ingram@a-ingram.demon.co.uk wrote: > Anyway, I'd like one now and was wondering if you lot could recommend > the best of these new breed of colour ink jets which has a DECENT ACORN > DRIVER!!! (i.e. comparable to the output you'd get from the PC). By > "best" I mean a colour A4 inkjet which is under 300pounds having at > least the quality if this Epson that I saw. It doesn't have to be one > of the Epson's, it just happened to be the printer that "opened my > eyes". Sorry for this being a bit off topic but I was truly amazed when > I saw it and really want to get one now (one > that I can plug into my hub and use Omni print and also print from my > PC would be good but not essential). I've been using the STylus color 800 for over a year now with very good results from the Acorn driver. Printing at 1440 dpi onto the correct papers produces highly satisfying copy from Photdesk, etc. I tried printing the same files from the pc card, but whilst quicker, the results were less impressive. More recently I bought the Epson Photo EX in order to get A3 output (there is an A4 version too), which with the Spacetech driver is even better (well it does use 6 colours), very subtle. But even at 720 dpi on the correct papers you can get nice results fron the Stylus 400, which my sister uses on an A3010. It does seem that the Epson range have the better technology for photoreal printing and the printer drivers available for Risc OS can do the job well. Dave D -- __ _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| Real address as above Certified No42 in the Phoebe queue -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 7 14:38:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82805 for opro ; Sat, 07 Nov 98 14:38:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910435727:20:28077:16; Sat, 07 Nov 98 10:48:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027941; 7 Nov 98 10:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA13971 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:20:25 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13966 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:20:13 GMT Received: by trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:21:38 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:19:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a13ae24abellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Problem when moving !OvnPro between harddiscs Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Recently I had to move !OvnPro from one harddisc to another, because I bought a bigger one and wanted to install ARMLinux on the smaller one. After I moved !OvnPro it didn't run anymore - as expected. Instead I was instructed by !OvnPro to insert the installation disc, drag !OvnPro there and let it unlock itself - as expected. But when I was doing exactly as described, I got an error message telling me that I should use "the original installer that came with this version of !OvnPro" (wording not exactly, can't remember it). That is with v2.51. My installation disc holds v2.46. To be more precise, it's v2.46g. But I *know* that I once did the unlocking when I switched to a new RiscPC last year. Perhaps it doesn't work anymore with later versions of !OvPro? Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 66 MB RAM 3 quickest ways to spread news? Telephone, Television, Tellawoman. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 7 16:19:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82828 for opro ; Sat, 07 Nov 98 16:19:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910453579:10:03803:22; Sat, 07 Nov 98 15:46:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123929; 7 Nov 98 15:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA14439 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:17:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14434 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:17:13 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zcA86-00011M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:18:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 98 15:11:30 GMT Message-Id: <82826@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem when moving !OvnPro between harddiscs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >That is with v2.51. My installation disc holds v2.46. To be more >precise, it's v2.46g. But I *know* that I once did the unlocking when I >switched to a new RiscPC last year. Perhaps it doesn't work anymore >with later versions of !OvPro? To the limited extent that I'm competent to comment on the copy protection, I think you have to install a new 2.46 from the original discs on your new HD, with this token on your disc, you may then find that your copied 2.51 also works - if not then you have to patch the 2.46 back to 2.51. I guess your comment may explain previous postings here about reinstallation. Maybe the installer won't work on patched copies... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 18:18:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82858 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 18:18:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910534059:10:19136:17; Sun, 08 Nov 98 14:07:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126824; 8 Nov 98 14:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA15550 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:53:21 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15545 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:53:04 GMT Received: from [194.222.139.31] (helo=twintrees) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zcVIN-0000wF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:54:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:32:12 +0000 From: Derek Marshall To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: draw to frame Message-ID: <3ae2caa148%Derek@twintrees.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > that means also that you can use joined frames for pictures. A way to do this would be as follows: Produce the draw file which you want to use to crop the picture, say black text on a white (NOT transparent) background which you use to crop the sprite image into the text shape. Load the draw file with text into Ovation Pro. Go to 'Picture->Process' and set 'duotone' setting the upper colour to white (A white background) and the Lower colour (Black) to 'Transparent'. This makes the black text in the original draw file transparent allowing you to see through it to the sprite image which you place below, making sure your picture frames are set to transparent. All is well and good except for one thing - the 'transparent' colour isn't. Instead, it appears white so the draw file covers the sprite image completely. The frame containing the draw file is transparent as I can see the sprite through the edges, but anywhere the draw file is just becomes white, or whatever upper colour I have with a white hole cut into it. I have tried this with both sprite and draw files and the effect is the same, however, when a draw file contains transparency (ie no object) the image below is seen with no problems. OP 2.50 RO3.11 Is the 256 colour pallete in Risc OS 3.11 of significance? Is transparency supposed to work in duotone (or is it like the text background colour where IIRC 'background transparent' means the same colour as the rest of the frame?) Maybe this will help someone, Derek. -- /^\ | Home address: derek@twintrees.demon.co.uk |___| | Work address: d.marshall@rl.ac.uk \___/ | %. | Derek Marshall -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 18:19:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82861 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 18:19:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910555219:10:01135:15; Sun, 08 Nov 98 20:00:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125728; 8 Nov 98 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA15936 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:22:08 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA15931 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:21:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zcaQd-0002eH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:23:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:47:32 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Amending date macro To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I know this has been asked before (because I asked it!) but I have not had an answer yet, so I do not know if it is possible or not. It should be..... I have the today date macro on the bar, but how can I amend it so that it does tomorrow's date instead? This is for when I do weekly plans, usually the day before. There is a method in my madness! MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 18:19:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82867 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 18:19:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910463365:20:27359:18; Sat, 07 Nov 98 18:29:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123648; 7 Nov 98 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA14689 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 18:03:32 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14684 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 18:03:21 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zcCiv-0004c0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 18:04:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 98 17:18:00 GMT Message-Id: <82838@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem when moving !OvnPro between harddiscs Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded private mail... From: Tony Simons Subject: Re: Problem when moving !OvnPro between harddiscs To: David Pilling > > To the limited extent that I'm competent to comment on the copy protection, > I think you have to install a new 2.46 from the original discs on your new > HD, with this token on your disc, you may then find that your copied 2.51 > also works - if not then you have to patch the 2.46 back to 2.51. > The install option that used to be on earlier versions pre 2.46 is not present on later versions. You used to be able to move the copy then insert the original disc to update that copy, took a couple of seconds. I guess that it what people are looking for. It was useful on our network as I would install on one machine - copy to the rest and then run around sticking the original floppy in each machine. Much quicker thn reinstalling the whole prog each time. -- Tony Simons North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 9 18:20:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82877 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 18:20:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910541450:20:28908:4; Sun, 08 Nov 98 16:10:50 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028822; 8 Nov 98 16:10 GMT Received: from [193.237.156.226] (helo=tarazen) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zcXQ8-0002ba-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:10:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 19:43:14 +0000 From: Jon Keates To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Master Page editing Message-ID: <44469a148%jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <82709@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: ? X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <82709@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >I tried out your problem on a complicated 150 page sized document and do not > >succeed to find any fault. > > I feel I should respond to the original point. I do think there are some > remaining oddities (aka 'bugs') in this area. I'm not so sure that they are > as general as the original posting might be interepreted as indicating. It's > always good to get very specific examples of bugs. But I did think the > original message was a good summary of things to look at. > > Updating master pages can be slow too. I guess that is something that > could be fixed. But watch out if you think the program has crashed > in this situation. > It's not a matter of speed, when the docs saved and loaded the next day the problem still exists if I try to alter the headers again. It does not happen with every document, just some Both type 5 exits were while altering the style defintions, forget which dialogue boxes, otherwise 2.51 works fine -- Jon From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 18:20:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82882 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 18:20:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910628239:10:26507:16; Mon, 09 Nov 98 16:17:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1109375; 9 Nov 98 16:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA17187 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:08:26 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17181 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:08:13 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J3Z4YL6YU400KDGQ@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:10:15 GMT +0100 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 16:07:42 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: re: draw to frame (fwd) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <397657a248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > In message > "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > > > that means also that you can use joined frames for pictures. > > A way to do this would be as follows: > > Produce the draw file which you want to use to crop the picture, say black > text on a white (NOT transparent) background which you use to crop the > sprite image into the text shape. > > Load the draw file with text into Ovation Pro. Go to 'Picture->Process' and > set 'duotone' setting the upper colour to white (A white background) and the > Lower colour (Black) to 'Transparent'. This makes the black text in the > original draw file transparent allowing you to see through it to the sprite > image which you place below, making sure your picture frames are set to > transparent. > > I have tried this with both sprite and draw files and the effect is the > same, however, when a draw file contains transparency (ie no object) the > image below is seen with no problems. > > Maybe this will help someone, > > Derek. > Thank you, but it is not what I mean, it is just a sneak way to make it look like letters as frames. I'm not looking for a way to show the effect of linked frames, I know how to do that, it was just to illustrate my thoughts. I want really linked frames and complex irregular frames (who are easier to make in draw, artworks and in the future vantage) therefore I need a way to use draw figures direct as frames. Two things has to be made possible. -link frames for figures -import draw as frame I think the main point is the complexity. You can make draw figures with bitmaps etc in it and to convert that into a frame is impossible. But to avoid those complex situations someone can maybe make a filter that allows only drawfiles with one vectorshape in it to convert to frames. David Pilling made the suggestion to convert draw files to ddl files and use the shapes as frames, that is a way, not the most beautiful one to convert draw into frames (you can copy and paste the frames into other documents). It would be nicer to directly drag and drop draw into an ovation pro and convert it into a frame. I'm not the best programmer I have to admit so i do not have the abbilities to do it myself, maybe someone around? -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 19:46:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82944 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 19:46:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910640578:20:00153:16; Mon, 09 Nov 98 19:42:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029840; 9 Nov 98 19:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA17525 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:14:47 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17520 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:14:31 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J3ZDK9U9G000M69D@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:16:48 GMT +0100 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:14:06 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Urgent - can't load artworks files To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <4856ea248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro hello I know, it is something simple but i can't find it... I can't import Artworks files any more. I've got OvP2.51, Artworks 1.7 and OArtworks-applet 1.03 I've imported many artworks files in the past, with the same configuration. But now it isn't possible anymore. It gives the error: This file was produced by a more recent version of artworks please help me, since it has to be finished real soon... -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 21:04:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82949 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 21:04:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910642582:10:10975:15; Mon, 09 Nov 98 20:16:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101387; 9 Nov 98 20:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA17656 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:58:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17651 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:57:55 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zcxRs-0003vy-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:58:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:11:55 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: The strangest thing- text flow To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I have a master page with lots of large frames linked together to form a table set out in a five by five grid. In the bottom corner of each frame is another tiny frame, 4mm square. Text is set to flow around the tiny frame at 1mm standoff. Text flows all the way down to the bottom of the first large frame, flowing nicely around the tiny frame, but when the text spills over into large frame 2 (as it should) it jumps to the third large frame one line earlier than the first frame! So frame one can contain 6 lines of text, but all the others only contain 5. Why does it do this? I have copied and pasted/duplicated the large frames and the tiny frames too, so there should be no difference. Any ideas? I have even trie changing the shape, telling it to flow on the left side.... racked my brains but really this has drawn a blank! Let me know soon or I will not be able to get my literacy planning finished... the shame of it all. Using version 2.51 -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 21:04:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82948 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 21:04:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910644107:20:13035:18; Mon, 09 Nov 98 20:41:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107928; 9 Nov 98 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA17744 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:22:00 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17739 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:21:48 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J3ZFWQIF3S00M69D@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:24:06 GMT +0100 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 21:20:53 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Urgent - can't load artworks files SOLVED In-reply-to: <4856ea248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4856ea248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Steven M. Ottens wrote: > hello > > I know, it is something simple but i can't find it... > I can't import Artworks files any more. > I've got OvP2.51, Artworks 1.7 and OArtworks-applet 1.03 > I've imported many artworks files in the past, with the same configuration. > But now it isn't possible anymore. > > It gives the error: > This file was produced by a more recent version of artworks > > please help me, since it has to be finished real soon... Well it is solved already, someone told me that OvP couldn't handle Artworks documents with 24bit sprites. So i changed that. thanks for those who plaaned to help (and those who helped) -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 21:04:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82951 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 21:04:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910644775:20:20754:15; Mon, 09 Nov 98 20:52:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020725; 9 Nov 98 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA17891 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:37:41 GMT Received: from online.no (pilt-s.online.no [193.212.1.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17886 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:37:28 GMT Received: from pixeleye.online.no (ti34a25-0084.dialup.online.no [130.67.65.84]) by online.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA06217 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:37:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:38:47 +0100 (GMT+1) From: "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" Subject: Re: Urgent - can't load artworks files SOLVED To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Sometimes. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 09 Nov, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message <4856ea248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> > Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > > hello > > > > I know, it is something simple but i can't find it... > > I can't import Artworks files any more. > > I've got OvP2.51, Artworks 1.7 and OArtworks-applet 1.03 > > I've imported many artworks files in the past, with the same configuration. > > But now it isn't possible anymore. > > > > It gives the error: > > This file was produced by a more recent version of artworks > > > > please help me, since it has to be finished real soon... > > Well it is solved already, someone told me that OvP couldn't handle > Artworks documents with 24bit sprites. So i changed that. Well, technically it's the AWRenderer module (which OP relies on) which can't cope. I.e bark at Ceecee, not St. Pilling. 8) -- Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@.online.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 22:33:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82966 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 22:33:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910648316:20:03683:15; Mon, 09 Nov 98 21:51:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003050; 9 Nov 98 21:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA18120 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:34:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA18115 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:34:00 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.131) [193.149.83.131] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zcyws-00000r-00; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:34:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Goodier) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 9 Nov 97 21:33:23 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: The strangest thing- text flow Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 8 Nov 98 (21:11:55 +0100), paul@krowdrah.demon.co.uk wrote: >I have a master page with lots of large frames linked together to form >a table set out in a five by five grid. In the bottom corner of each >frame is another tiny frame, 4mm square. Text is set to flow around >the tiny frame at 1mm standoff. > >Text flows all the way down to the bottom of the first large frame, >flowing nicely around the tiny frame, but when the text spills over >into large frame 2 (as it should) it jumps to the third large frame one >line earlier than the first frame! So frame one can contain 6 lines of >text, but all the others only contain 5. Why does it do this? Just a guess: you have leading set to the standard 20%? This will, as I understand it, give you slightly more leading on lines with descenders than on lines that don't. Hence occasionally you will get a run of lines that require slightly less, or more, leading than the bulk of your text. Solution? Either go to a fixed leading in points, say 16 for a 14pt type, or fiddle with adjusting downwards from 20% until the particular text you are using will behave (apparently) uniformly. I hope you sort it - I know how aggravating something like this is when you've settled on a given layout and don't want to change it ;-) -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 22:33:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82968 for opro ; Mon, 09 Nov 98 22:33:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910650100:20:25762:16; Mon, 09 Nov 98 22:21:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025359; 9 Nov 98 22:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA18246 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:04:13 GMT Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA18241 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:03:58 GMT Received: from brooke.u-net.com [194.119.133.205] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0zczO6-0005Oe-00; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:02:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 09:34:46 +0000 (GMT) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Amending date macro To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 08 Nov, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > I know this has been asked before (because I asked it!) but I have not had > an answer yet, so I do not know if it is possible or not. It should be..... > > I have the today date macro on the bar, but how can I amend it so that it > does tomorrow's date instead? This is for when I do weekly plans, usually > the day before. There is a method in my madness! > > MTIA > > For the period during which you are doing your weekly plans, can't you just alter the date in the computer to tomorrow ? Then tomorrow becomes today for the time being. -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 01:42:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82972 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 01:42:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910653648:10:29758:15; Mon, 09 Nov 98 23:20:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029326; 9 Nov 98 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA18526 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:54:39 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18518 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:54:26 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J3ZL8Z5QNU00M69D@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:56:45 GMT +0100 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:54:13 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Amending date macro In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <842c82a248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message J W B Greenwood wrote: > On Sun 08 Nov, P Hutton wrote: > > Dear all > > > > I know this has been asked before (because I asked it!) but I have not had > > an answer yet, so I do not know if it is possible or not. It should be..... > > > > I have the today date macro on the bar, but how can I amend it so that it > > does tomorrow's date instead? This is for when I do weekly plans, usually > > the day before. There is a method in my madness! > > weekly plans ...the day before??? do you need the weekplans to change every day? then we call them daily plans When you need them foir a week you also need "current date+12/3/4/5/6 day(s)" > > For the period during which you are doing your weekly plans, can't you > just alter the date in the computer to tomorrow ? Then tomorrow > becomes today for the time being. > Hm that's not a real solution. When you have running other date related software you get problems. My computer is already giving errors when the time changes back/forward. Mail and news is stored on time of arrival, and you can't get mail from the future (according to the software). And it isn't a nice solution anyway. When you print a letter with the date without setting the date right, people get mails from the future. Although i agree wih you that this will work. I've never used it so i'm mayb talking nonsense, but couldn't it be possible to use the current date +1 day? greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 01:42:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82973 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 01:42:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910652296:20:22734:15; Mon, 09 Nov 98 22:58:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129606; 9 Nov 98 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA18432 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:40:30 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18427 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:40:13 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J3ZKRCNWOC00GP4B@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:42:32 GMT +0100 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:35:03 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Urgent - can't load artworks files SOLVED In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <1a6b80a248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: > On Mon 09 Nov, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > In message <4856ea248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> > > Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > > > > hello > > > > > > I know, it is something simple but i can't find it... > > > I can't import Artworks files any more. > > > I've got OvP2.51, Artworks 1.7 and OArtworks-applet 1.03 > > > I've imported many artworks files in the past, with the same configuration. > > > But now it isn't possible anymore. > > > > > > It gives the error: > > > This file was produced by a more recent version of artworks > > > > > > please help me, since it has to be finished real soon... > > > > Well it is solved already, someone told me that OvP couldn't handle > > Artworks documents with 24bit sprites. So i changed that. > > Well, technically it's the AWRenderer module (which OP relies on) which > can't cope. I.e bark at Ceecee, not St. Pilling. 8) > I'm not barking at all... I'm waiting for Vantage so I'm not very interested in Artworks. OvP supports it so I'm happy with it. Although i will bark when OvationPro doesn't support Vantage ;-) greetings BTW: will the vantage render module available at the same time as Vantage? -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 01:42:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82980 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 01:42:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910654306:20:16282:17; Mon, 09 Nov 98 23:31:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128411; 9 Nov 98 23:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA18652 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:14:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA18647 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:14:43 GMT Received: from (193.149.90.201) [193.149.90.201] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zd0WL-0002OI-00; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:14:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 9 Nov 98 23:11:55 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: !Label Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just a quick note to announce a new OP Applet that I have written and that is downloadable from the OP Resources site run by Chris Johnson. !Label is an applet designed to generate master pages for Labels such as those produced by Avery and the like. The program can generate sheets of blank labels as well as allowing the automatic insertion of mail-merge fields (and blank line stripping for address labels). Rectangle, elliptical and rounded box type shaped labels are supported. It comes with a set of predefined labels that is easy extended with only 6 measurements required to generate a complete sheet of labels (the measurements are those used by Avery on their Website) . Only the measurements are stored by the program so only a small amount of disc space is required. Hopefully people will find it useful - any comments are welcome. Regards David Breakwell Site Address: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 01:42:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82981 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 01:42:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910660531:10:26040:15; Tue, 10 Nov 98 01:15:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025638; 10 Nov 98 1:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA18938 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:57:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA18933 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:56:53 GMT Received: from (193.149.89.13) [193.149.89.13] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zd27G-0003yH-00; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:57:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 (00:59:29 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Posters, anyone? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Does anyone know of an applet (or anything) that will turn an A4 landscape picture into an A3 landscape picture, over two sheets of portrait A4. I can't do it in Draw as there is too much text, and only !OPro allowed me the layout I wanted. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 13:58:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83014 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 13:58:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910669662:20:01385:15; Tue, 10 Nov 98 03:47:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001258; 10 Nov 98 3:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA19185 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:20:58 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA19180 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:20:45 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zd4MV-0003JY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:20:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 01:54:55 GMT Message-Id: <82990@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Posters, anyone? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does anyone know of an applet (or anything) that will turn an A4 landscape >picture into an A3 landscape picture, over two sheets of portrait A4. I can't >do it in Draw as there is too much text, and only !OPro allowed me the layout I >wanted. Tile print format? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 13:59:20 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83030 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 13:59:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910688307:10:16069:17; Tue, 10 Nov 98 08:58:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107132; 10 Nov 98 8:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA19468 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:40:01 GMT Received: from sunrise.horizon.nl (root@sunrise.horizon.nl [195.193.108.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19462 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:39:48 GMT Received: from xat.horizon.nl (pm03-02.horizon.nl [195.193.108.82]) by sunrise.horizon.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10456 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:40:00 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:39:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: The strangest thing- text flow To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Keith, Please check the date setting of your machine, obviously it is set to 1997! Cheers, Paul Reuvers -- X-Ample Technology bv P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 13:59:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83032 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 13:59:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910689161:10:27277:19; Tue, 10 Nov 98 09:12:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103855; 10 Nov 98 9:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA19452 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:38:17 GMT Received: from sunrise.horizon.nl (root@sunrise.horizon.nl [195.193.108.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19447 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:38:02 GMT Received: from xat.horizon.nl (pm03-02.horizon.nl [195.193.108.82]) by sunrise.horizon.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10403 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:38:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:19:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: Urgent - can't load artworks files To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4856ea248%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 09 Nov, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > hello > > I know, it is something simple but i can't find it... > I can't import Artworks files any more. > I've got OvP2.51, Artworks 1.7 and OArtworks-applet 1.03 > I've imported many artworks files in the past, with the same configuration. > But now it isn't possible anymore. > > It gives the error: > This file was produced by a more recent version of artworks > > please help me, since it has to be finished real soon... This is a rather common error when using ArtWorks files. ArtWorks files are rendered within OPro using the ArtWorks Renderer (same as in IP). Unfortunately the AWRender module is of an older release than AW itself and CC never bothered to do an upgrade. Please note that IP (Publisher) will suffer from the same proble in this area. The work around is NOT to use any specific features of the latest release of AW. A common area of problems is the use of sprites in an AW file. If this is the case, remove the sprite from your artwork (do not forget to remove it from the sprite pool as well) and try again. If it works, you may import the sprite directly into an OPro frame. Good Luck, Paul Reuvers -- X-Ample Technology bv P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 14:00:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83046 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 14:00:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910697777:20:18810:48; Tue, 10 Nov 98 11:36:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106885; 10 Nov 98 11:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA19797 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:32:04 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19792 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:31:49 GMT Received: from [158.152.17.219] (helo=oxted.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zdB5e-0002aj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:32:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:08:33 +0000 (GMT) From: George Foot Subject: Re: Posters, anyone? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <82990@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just a suggestion: It should be possible with the layers version of Photodesk, George On Tue 10 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >Does anyone know of an applet (or anything) that will turn an A4 landscape > >picture into an A3 landscape picture, over two sheets of portrait A4. I can't > >do it in Draw as there is too much text, and only !OPro allowed me the layout I > >wanted. -- George Foot georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk Web Page. http://www.oxted.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 14:00:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83052 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 14:00:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910706276:20:24315:319; Tue, 10 Nov 98 13:57:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112377; 10 Nov 98 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA20129 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:08:10 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20124 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:07:58 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-96.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.96]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA13079 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:08:15 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:02:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 04 Nov, Mike Hobbs wrote: > On Wed 04 Nov, Alf Chamings wrote: > > On Wed 04 Nov, David Mc Dowell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drop the AU200 Epson 600 Printer driver, its wrong/faulty, and out of > > > date (it doesn't have 1440 microweave settings for instance) and get > > > and use the the one (May 1997) from Xemplars site, > > > > > That's interesting. You expect the latest issue to be the most up to > > date! > > > > I tried the Xemplar web site and couldn't find any printer drivers. Any > > more clues? > The best place to go for pdfs is http://support.xemplar.co.uk/ (thats our > technical support web page). The Xemplar home page is run by the > marketroids and may not point to technically useful stuff. > Aha. Got it now. Thanks for the link, Mike. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 19:56:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83092 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 19:56:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910723935:20:14507:15; Tue, 10 Nov 98 18:52:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013973; 10 Nov 98 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA20495 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:02:05 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20486 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:01:49 GMT Received: from [158.152.78.65] (helo=ypical.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zdI7G-0004jO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:02:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:26:15 +0000 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Label Applet Message-ID: <67998aa248%fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message davidb@argonet.co.uk (Mr Breakwell) wrote: [snip] > !Label is an applet designed to generate master pages for Labels such as > those produced by Avery and the like. [snip] Wouldn't it be a good idea to give it a different name as there is already a '!Label' applet? -- Fred Mailto:fred@ypical.demon.co.uk PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 23:10:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83116 for opro ; Tue, 10 Nov 98 23:10:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910735140:20:24330:19; Tue, 10 Nov 98 21:59:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024116; 10 Nov 98 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA20897 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:37:51 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20892 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:37:36 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zdLU5-0004ni-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:37:57 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:17:52 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:14:55 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Posters, anyone? Message-ID: <39ebfca248%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Does anyone know of an applet (or anything) that will turn an A4 landscape > picture into an A3 landscape picture, over two sheets of portrait A4. I can't > do it in Draw as there is too much text, and only !OPro allowed me the layout I > wanted. > > Am I missing something obvious? A guess: scale it and tile it from within the print dialogue of OPro. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 03:24:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83142 for opro ; Wed, 11 Nov 98 03:24:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910748301:20:08870:16; Wed, 11 Nov 98 01:38:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115152; 11 Nov 98 1:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA21272 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:17:52 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA21267 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:17:38 GMT Received: from (193.149.70.182) [193.149.70.182] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zdOv4-0001lE-00; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:18:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Goodier) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Nov 98 01:15:40 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: The strangest thing- text flow Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 10 Nov 98 (09:39:56 +0000), paul@xat.nl wrote: >Keith, > >Please check the date setting of your machine, >obviously it is set to 1997! Hmm! T'was as you said. Internal enquiries are in hand >:-> Thanks for pointing it out. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 15:12:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83172 for opro ; Wed, 11 Nov 98 15:12:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910796980:10:01317:15; Wed, 11 Nov 98 15:09:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104264; 11 Nov 98 15:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA21917 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:10:57 GMT Received: from black.xemplar.co.uk (black.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA21912 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:10:34 GMT Received: from xn064.xemplar.co.uk (xn064.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.64]) by black.xemplar.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA13035 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:01:26 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:06:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Hobbs Subject: Re: Posters, anyone? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <39ebfca248%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Xemplar Education Ltd X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > Does anyone know of an applet (or anything) that will turn an A4 landscape > > picture into an A3 landscape picture, over two sheets of portrait A4. I can't > > do it in Draw as there is too much text, and only !OPro allowed me the layout I > > wanted. > > > > Am I missing something obvious? To be honest I wouldn't use OvnPro to do poster work. I use TextEase because it handles poster type printing effortlessly. You prepare your copy as you want it on A3 view and simply click the 'Poster' button when printing. It handles overlaps and cutting marks automatically. ..... but if there was an applet to do the job in OvnPro all well and good. -- Mike Hobbs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 20:53:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83195 for opro ; Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:53:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910816483:20:12673:17; Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:34:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112709; 11 Nov 98 20:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA22539 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:16:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA22529 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:15:43 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.89) [193.149.78.89] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zdggc-0000lA-00; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:16:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:07:22 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: !Label Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro It has come to my attention that Beebug have also published an Applet called !Label. I have therefore rechristened mine !Labeller. A new archive has been sent to the OP Resources site. In the meantime it is possible to achieve a fix by: 1. Renaming my !Label directory !Labeller 2. Editing the Labeller file in the directory !Labeller.library and changing the three lines that read .!Label... to .!Labeller... 3. Editing the !Sprites file and rename the Sprites !Labeller and !Labeller- The archived version also has a minor tweak to the menu text for the icon bar menu so that it reads Labels... rather than Labels. Thanks for all those of you who pointed this out Regards David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From steyan@argonet.co.uk Wed Nov 11 20:53:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83196 for opro ; Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:53:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910811450:10:27904:5; Wed, 11 Nov 98 19:10:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027916; 11 Nov 98 19:10 GMT Received: from (193.149.70.130) [193.149.70.130] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zdff9-0007Hd-00; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:10:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Yandell To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:01:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a3748f25steyan@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Error messages type 5 Return-Receipt-To: steyan@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Status: R I am using Ovation Pro 1.51 on a Strong Arm RISC PC. Usually the program works wonders, but recently I have experienced a number (sorry to be so vague) of "Type 5 errors" which necessitate a reboot of the machine. These usually occur when sending a job to the printer (a HP 870Cxi, driven by Acorn's HP850 drivers; a page or two are produced, then the machine hangs, with the error message. And, sod being sod, with his own law, this happens when I neglect to save the file before printing. I thought that this might connect with sending largish graphics in the documents to be printed, but this evening it happened with a 'straight' (ie pure text, based on one single font family) 5 page document. Has anybody else experienced this problem? Can anyone suggest cures (apart from saving the file before printing)? what is this 'Type 5' error? why does OP refuse to respond to the 'Continue' button? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 20:53:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83198 for opro ; Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:53:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910815255:10:10020:17; Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:14:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129469; 11 Nov 98 20:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA22331 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:31:13 GMT Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [194.126.80.50]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22326 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:31:01 GMT Received: from client9549.globalnet.co.uk ([194.126.95.73] helo=ianadunn.global.co.uk) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zdfzM-0005YF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:31:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:55:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Dr Ian Dunn Subject: Overflow To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dr Ian Dunn X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi Whilst trying to print off scans saved as sprites from David Pilling's scanning software I encountered - overflow while transforming point - . Now as it happens the document I had produced was called Flow , but .. . It had two frames and each with a sprite coming to 15M in size . tried a new document with one frame and sprite bur same problem . I am using 2.49 which as far as I know is performing otherwise well and fine . Any thughts ? TIA Ian -- Dr Ian Dunn mailto ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk Moir Medical Centre Regent St Long Eaton Nottingham NG10 1JX -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 20:53:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83200 for opro ; Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:53:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910816231:10:00558:16; Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:30:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128403; 11 Nov 98 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA22494 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:10:00 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22489 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:09:47 GMT Received: from [212.228.115.239] (helo=a-ingram.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zdgat-0007bA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:10:23 +0000 Message-ID: <36487D09.A664F936@a-ingram.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:51:05 +0000 From: Andrew Ingram X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd just like to thank everyone for their info regarding these flash new inkjets. I'd say that about 90% of replies recommended the Epson Stylus 700. I have checked and the original printer I saw was a 740. Is the 740 better/newer? What are the differences? Any info would again be much appreciated. Regards, Andrew -- Andrew D. Ingram BSc(Hons) mailto:A.D.Ingram@a-ingram.demon.co.uk http://www.a-ingram.demon.co.uk/ ________________________ _ ___ | _ _ ___ |_o_| |-| |_| |-| |-| '_| |-| | |_o_| _____[]=(_)=[]_______ _|_ |_, | | |_| | | _______[]=(_)=[]____ "Next Year For Sure!" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 20:53:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83202 for opro ; Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:53:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910816627:10:08520:15; Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:37:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008299; 11 Nov 98 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA22541 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:16:08 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA22533 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:15:46 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.89) [193.149.78.89] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zdggf-0000lA-00; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:16:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Nov 98 20:12:31 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Posters, anyone? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 11 Nov 98 (12:06:32 +0000), mhobbs@xemplar.co.uk wrote: > >To be honest I wouldn't use OvnPro to do poster work. I use TextEase >because it handles poster type printing effortlessly. You prepare >your copy as you want it on A3 view and simply click the 'Poster' >button when printing. It handles overlaps and cutting marks >automatically. > >.... but if there was an applet to do the job in OvnPro all well >and good. > The imposition applet gives you the tile format that provides this functionallity. Just adjust the print scale to 200 (if you want true A3) and select tile print format. Everything else is done by the applet (apart from the sticking together!). -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 22:24:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83234 for opro ; Wed, 11 Nov 98 22:24:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910823072:20:11652:18; Wed, 11 Nov 98 22:24:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011213; 11 Nov 98 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA23011 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:03:45 GMT Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (kochanski.wn.planet.gen.nz [203.98.47.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23005 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:02:48 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22546 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:03:08 +1300 (NZDT) >Received: by bridge.wn.planet.gen.nz (ReadNews 0.34); Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:29:36 +1300 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:29:34 +1300 From:(Julian Wright) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Posters, anyone? Message-ID: References: Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Lines: 15 Received: from bridge by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:03 NZD Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mike Hobbs writes: > .... but if there was an applet to do the job in OvnPro all well > and good. I thought this was what the "Tile" format was for when printing. Just set an appropriate scale, maybe untick the "Sideways" option in the print setup section, optionally enable printers marks and Bob's your uncle! It even tells you how many sheets of paper will be used in the print run, on the menu. Julian. -- The nice thing about standards is that there's so many of them to choose from. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 01:30:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83236 for opro ; Thu, 12 Nov 98 01:30:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910826852:10:04963:15; Wed, 11 Nov 98 23:27:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004937; 11 Nov 98 23:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA23345 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:11:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA23340 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:11:34 GMT Received: from (193.149.90.100) [193.149.90.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zdjQm-0004Z7-00; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:12:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Nov 98 (23:10:22 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Posters, anyone? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to everyone who offered advice. I've tried several methods mentioned and then ended up using print setup to do it (by entering scaling and x-y co-ordinates), but that's just because I'm picky! Thanks again, everyone. Now I remember why I use Acorns. -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 01:30:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83238 for opro ; Thu, 12 Nov 98 01:30:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910824211:20:26758:16; Wed, 11 Nov 98 22:43:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124587; 11 Nov 98 22:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA23117 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:25:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23109 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:25:43 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zdiiP-0006qa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:26:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 98 22:13:48 GMT Message-Id: <83230@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Whilst trying to print off scans saved as sprites from David Pilling's scanning software >I encountered - overflow while transforming point - . Classic CC error message. CC's sprite handling code, as in Turbo drivers and Impression etc. has some sort of limit on the number of pixels in sprites. Fix is to use an Acorn printer driver. Or to chop up your sprites. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 01:30:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83245 for opro ; Thu, 12 Nov 98 01:30:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910831100:20:26467:15; Thu, 12 Nov 98 00:38:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115963; 12 Nov 98 0:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA23498 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:20:40 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23493 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:20:27 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J42GUZ5PZ400M5HH@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:23:18 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:20:44 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Q. from a lazy dutch user To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <50c491a348%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all I've got two (dutch-related) questions. 1) is there a dutch manual and/or a dutch discription of all applets available. The latter is the one i wants most. My english isn't that good that i can translate all the words used in the discriptions of the applets And i'm to lazy to strech my arm and take a dictionary to look it up. 2) How's the dutch abbreviation routine going? I've asked quite some time ago about a dutch abbreviation routine and someone from X-ample technology (Paul Reuvers IIRC) said they/he had a dutch routine for Impression. He would send it to David and look if he could do something with it. Anything happened??? Greetings from someone who needs to spent some month in the UK... -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 03:09:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83265 for opro ; Thu, 12 Nov 98 03:09:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910837273:10:02039:15; Thu, 12 Nov 98 02:21:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001932; 12 Nov 98 2:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA23696 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:11:07 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA23691 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:10:56 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zdmEQ-0006lI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:11:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 98 02:02:42 GMT Message-Id: <83259@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Q. from a lazy dutch user X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1) is there a dutch manual and/or a dutch discription of all applets One for our users in the NL to answer. (not as far as I know). >2) How's the dutch abbreviation routine going? I believe I have data, but no code to make use of it. >Greetings from someone who needs to spent some month in the UK... Perhaps Beebug should run summer schools for OPro users. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 13:58:44 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83274 for opro ; Thu, 12 Nov 98 13:58:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910865590:10:22481:19; Thu, 12 Nov 98 10:13:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126632; 12 Nov 98 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA24079 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:47:46 GMT Received: from black.xemplar.co.uk (black.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA24074 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:47:24 GMT Received: from xn064.xemplar.co.uk (xn064.xemplar.co.uk [194.205.192.64]) by black.xemplar.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02056 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:42:59 GMT Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:47:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Hobbs Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <36487D09.A664F936@a-ingram.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Xemplar Education Ltd X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 10 Nov, Andrew Ingram wrote: > I'd just like to thank everyone for their info regarding these flash new > inkjets. I'd say that about 90% of replies recommended the Epson Stylus > 700. I have checked and the original printer I saw was a 740. Is the 740 > better/newer? What are the differences? Any info would again be much > appreciated. People here tried the 740 and it would not work on Acorn machines with any of the printer definition files. I'd be interested to know if anyone else has got it to work - but isn't this off-topic for ovationp list? -- Mike Hobbs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 15:06:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83294 for opro ; Thu, 12 Nov 98 15:06:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910881538:10:19142:15; Thu, 12 Nov 98 14:38:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117467; 12 Nov 98 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA24419 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:00:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24414 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:00:11 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zdxIB-0006s6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:00:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 98 03:14:25 GMT Message-Id: <83267@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have experienced a number (sorry to be so vague) of "Type 5 errors" This occurs when a C program accesses memory which it should not do. When this happens usually the program has previously corrupted itself or data structures, and so continuing is normally not possible. What can happen is that a document is corrupted, and you then use it as a base for further documents, so spreading the trouble. The fix is to save the document as DDL and then reload. Doing this cleans things up. Having said that, type 5 errors can occur when something else passes OPro bad information, or goes wrong. For example OPro may call a RISC OS function which in turn does an illegal memory access. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 18:54:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83323 for opro ; Thu, 12 Nov 98 18:54:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910896732:10:13928:30; Thu, 12 Nov 98 18:52:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013731; 12 Nov 98 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA24816 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:22:29 GMT Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24810 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:22:17 GMT Received: from t669454.worldonline.nl (vp210-53.worldonline.nl [195.241.210.53]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29092 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:23:02 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:17:22 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: Q. from a lazy dutch user To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <50c491a348%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Oxygen, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 12 Nov, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Hello all > > I've got two (dutch-related) questions. > > 1) is there a dutch manual and/or a dutch discription of all applets > available. The latter is the one i wants most. My english isn't that good > that i can translate all the words used in the discriptions of the applets > And i'm to lazy to strech my arm and take a dictionary to look it up. > Suppose not, but your best bet would be Kees Grinwis at Dune BBS. There are translations for some programs and RiscOS 3.1/3.5/3.6 etc. http:\\www.dune.demon.nl if I'm correct, you have to look in the TABsoft section. groeten Nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz at home! mailto:nico.terhaar@tip.nl ----> Acorn FoonGrep2 - NOW supporting the "1998 CDfoons" ! Pulstar Pages WWW site -- http://www.tip.nl/users/nico.terhaar/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From steyan@argonet.co.uk Thu Nov 12 19:37:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83326 for opro ; Thu, 12 Nov 98 19:37:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910897116:20:17514:2; Thu, 12 Nov 98 18:58:36 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017401; 12 Nov 98 18:58 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.27) [193.149.80.27] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0ze1wj-0003ug-00; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:58:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Yandell To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:56:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a3f7eaeesteyan@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Type 5 error message Return-Receipt-To: steyan@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Thank you, David, for your reply. I find that having already saved the file, as an OP document, allows me then to reboot the computer, reload the document, and print it out successfully. I am perplexed as to the perversity of the machine. Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 19:37:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83327 for opro ; Thu, 12 Nov 98 19:37:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910897673:20:25698:19; Thu, 12 Nov 98 19:07:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025680; 12 Nov 98 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA24921 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:50:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA24916 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:49:47 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.164) [193.149.85.164] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0ze1pC-0003lq-00; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:50:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 12 Nov 98 17:32:28 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Applet !Abbrev Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know how if it is possible to enter a 'curly bracket' in an abbreviation. I cannot get it to do this as the applet uses the entered 'curly bracket' for its own purposes. It seems no good entering it between inverted commas thus "{". The reason I want to do this is that I frequently want to write in OvPro the expression {FaxTo: } which if you use ArcFax causes a fax to be sent automatically on printing. Lazily I don't want to have to keep typing it out! -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 19:00:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83393 for opro ; Fri, 13 Nov 98 19:00:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910973605:20:02088:15; Fri, 13 Nov 98 16:13:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128421; 13 Nov 98 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA26432 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:36:26 GMT Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26427 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:36:11 GMT Received: from mistral.co.uk (d2-s36-130-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.130]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with S Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:29:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Applet !Abbrev To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 12 Nov, Mr R O Davis wrote: > > The reason I want to do this is that I frequently want to write > in OvPro the expression {FaxTo: } which if you use ArcFax causes > a fax to be sent automatically on printing. Lazily I don't want > to have to keep typing it out! > Does it work for you? I've never got this to work from Ovation. -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 or 642414 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 19:00:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83395 for opro ; Fri, 13 Nov 98 19:00:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910977860:20:05693:31; Fri, 13 Nov 98 17:24:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005068; 13 Nov 98 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA26627 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:57:17 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26620 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:57:01 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-87.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.218] with SMTP for id RAA29351 (8.8.8/1.10); Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:57:58 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:24:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 12 Nov, Mike Hobbs wrote: > On Tue 10 Nov, Andrew Ingram wrote: > > I'd just like to thank everyone for their info regarding these flash new > > inkjets. I'd say that about 90% of replies recommended the Epson Stylus > > 700. I have checked and the original printer I saw was a 740. Is the 740 > > better/newer? What are the differences? Any info would again be much > > appreciated. > > People here tried the 740 and it would not work on Acorn machines > with any of the printer definition files. I'd be interested to > know if anyone else has got it to work - but isn't this off-topic > for ovationp list? If it is off-topic; There's a thread 'Epson 740 driver....' in c.s.a.misc on the same subject. Chris chris@epsaber.demon.co.uk seems to be able to write a driver for the Epson 740. The Epson 740 and HP 1120C etc. indicate an interesting change in inkjettechnology. The variation in inkdensity per dot like in gravure printing is becoming popular. That combined with more resolution and some dotsize variation or some dithering will bring the printquality to a level that must be sufficient in any condition. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net All views expressed are my own and may have no relation whatsoever to the views of Acorn, Intel, Tulip, IBM, ARM, Sun, Compaq, Micro- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 14 01:43:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83418 for opro ; Sat, 14 Nov 98 01:43:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910993192:10:03615:15; Fri, 13 Nov 98 21:39:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003530; 13 Nov 98 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA26995 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:28:03 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26990 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:27:48 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zeQls-00038I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:28:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 98 21:01:54 GMT Message-Id: <83410@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applet !Abbrev X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> The reason I want to do this is that I frequently want to write >> in OvPro the expression {FaxTo: } which if you use ArcFax causes >> a fax to be sent automatically on printing. Lazily I don't want >> to have to keep typing it out! >Does it work for you? I've never got this to work from Ovation. Yes! It works for me... I think the one big catch with the embedded commands is that you need a new ArcFaxFix module for RISC OS 3.70 Strong ARM etc. This is available from my web site - 0.07. As to the original problem, all you have to do is define your abbreviation like so; /fax/|{FaxTo: |} i.e. protect the curly { brackets by sticking a bar | character in front of each one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 14 01:43:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83425 for opro ; Sat, 14 Nov 98 01:43:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 910999435:10:04141:15; Fri, 13 Nov 98 23:23:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004049; 13 Nov 98 23:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA27193 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:06:22 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27188 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:06:07 GMT Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user178.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.110]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA29407; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:07:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:49:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a4910ea5marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Applet !Abbrev In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 13 Nov, Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Thu 12 Nov, Mr R O Davis wrote: > > > > The reason I want to do this is that I frequently want to write > > in OvPro the expression {FaxTo: } which if you use ArcFax causes > > a fax to be sent automatically on printing. Lazily I don't want > > to have to keep typing it out! > > > Does it work for you? I've never got this to work from Ovation. Works fine for me. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 18:02:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83483 for opro ; Mon, 16 Nov 98 18:02:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911097905:20:16696:16; Sun, 15 Nov 98 02:45:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104959; 15 Nov 98 2:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA28828 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:29:21 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28823 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:29:08 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA24600 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:25:32 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA11373; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:27:16 GMT Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:08:15 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applet !Abbrev Message-ID: <48A4D4B85F%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (08 Oct 1998) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message rod@argonet.co.uk (Mr R O Davis) wrote: > Does anyone know how if it is possible to enter a 'curly bracket' > in an abbreviation. In the same way as you do in an Obey file: <123>. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 18:02:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83489 for opro ; Mon, 16 Nov 98 18:02:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911175972:20:17679:15; Mon, 16 Nov 98 00:26:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017657; 16 Nov 98 0:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA30911 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:11:00 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA30896 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:10:32 GMT Received: (qmail 14761 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1998 00:10:29 -0000 Received: from 18-110.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.110) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 1998 00:10:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:13:25 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83230@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <83230@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > Whilst trying to print off scans saved as sprites from David Pilling's scanning software > > I encountered - overflow while transforming point - . > > Classic CC error message. CC's sprite handling code, as in > Turbo drivers and Impression etc. has some sort of limit on > the number of pixels in sprites. Would this explain why a frame that contains a large greyscale sprite fails to appear (the whole frame that is, including borders/shadows) on a TurboDirver printout if it (the frame) is rotated at all? The same picture _did_ print after I removed all the frame borders and rotated the prite a little instead! Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 18:02:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83491 for opro ; Mon, 16 Nov 98 18:02:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911176123:20:20367:19; Mon, 16 Nov 98 00:28:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106726; 16 Nov 98 0:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA30913 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:11:05 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA30900 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:10:35 GMT Received: (qmail 14770 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1998 00:10:33 -0000 Received: from 18-110.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.110) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 1998 00:10:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:31:35 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Double Page Spreads Message-ID: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am producing a Pamphlet (1 folded A4 sheet producing 4 sides of A5) and I want to put a pale background image behind the 'centrefold' so that it extends right across left and right pages. I've tried doing this by placing the same image on both sides and eactly lining it up, but a white line appeared down the centre. Anyone know how to fix that? Otherwise, is there an easy way of placing such an image, other than puting two copies of it carefully on adjacent pages? Ideally, this would involve allowing it to flow over onto the adjacent page as viewed when using double page view. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 18:02:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83494 for opro ; Mon, 16 Nov 98 18:02:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911176352:20:25251:19; Mon, 16 Nov 98 00:32:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025177; 16 Nov 98 0:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA30915 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:11:20 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA30906 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:10:48 GMT Received: (qmail 14777 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1998 00:10:43 -0000 Received: from 18-110.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.110) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 1998 00:10:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:02:10 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master Page editing Message-ID: <3bee8ea548%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48a0ae2bdbC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48a0ae2bdbC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Chris Johnson wrote: > I was using a three chapter document yesterday (OP 2.51). Made the > decision to alter the footers on the master pages. When the master > pages were closed, only the first chapter was updated correctly. The > second and third chapters appeared to not only lose their footers, but > the first page became "uneditable". I messed around, and by inserting a > page at the start of the chapter and then deleting it again, things > appeared to correct themselves, and the document seems ok again. I have > had these occasional odditities but nothing that is repeatable. I've experienced similar 'oddities' using a master page that contained several linked frames. All I did was drag a new graphic into an existing master page graphic object. The new graphic appeared but the contents of some of the linked frames 'jumped' onto the next page - 'as if' they would no-longer fit in their frames because the font size was too big (although they fitted fine into the same frames on the newly generated page). I go it to right itself somehow - I think I inserted some 'new page' codes of my own, then deleteed them. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 18:03:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83500 for opro ; Mon, 16 Nov 98 18:03:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911207822:20:04090:16; Mon, 16 Nov 98 09:17:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003901; 16 Nov 98 9:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA31695 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:05:27 GMT Received: from axil.wave.co.nz (Axil.wave.co.nz [202.49.46.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA31690 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:05:12 GMT Received: from asgard (a43.hn3.wave.co.nz [203.96.193.235]) by axil.wave.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA25091 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:05:11 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:46:57 +1300 Message-ID: <48a5b97ba5kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Double Page Spreads Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 16 Nov, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > I am producing a Pamphlet (1 folded A4 sheet producing 4 sides of A5) and > I want to put a pale background image behind the 'centrefold' so that it > extends right across left and right pages. > I've tried doing this by placing the same image on both sides and eactly > lining it up, but a white line appeared down the centre. Anyone know how to > fix that? I too had this problem over a year ago and David responded that it was something to do with the bleeding - but couldn't a the time suggest a workaround! KEith -- City Desk Public PGP key available on request -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 18:05:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83514 for opro ; Mon, 16 Nov 98 18:05:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911217963:10:04008:16; Mon, 16 Nov 98 12:06:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126977; 16 Nov 98 12:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA32061 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:41:24 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA32056 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:41:13 GMT Received: from a.esplen.btinternet.com.btinternet.com [62.172.92.207] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zfN0W-0006wp-00; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:39:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:14:52 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Subject: A5 centre spread To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-URL: none X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am producing a Pamphlet (1 folded A4 sheet producing 4 sides of A5) and I want to put a pale background image behind the 'centrefold' so that it extends right across left and right pages. snip Brian, Why not just make the pamphlet A4 landscape 2 pages. First side page 4/1 Second side page 2/3 Alan. -- Alan Esplen Great Waltham, Essex, England. email: a.esplen@btinternet.com Check out Anne & Alans Home Page and Meccano page http://www.btinternet.com/~a.esplen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 19:21:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83563 for opro ; Mon, 16 Nov 98 19:21:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911241559:20:10647:17; Mon, 16 Nov 98 18:39:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010579; 16 Nov 98 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00143 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:14:52 GMT Received: from host02.net.voyager.co.nz (root@host02.net.voyager.co.nz [203.21.30.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00138 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:14:29 GMT Received: from musitech.voyager.co.nz (ba2p54.net.auckland.voyager.co.nz [203.98.38.182]) by host02.net.voyager.co.nz (8.8.8/8. Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:46:29 +0000 (GMT) From: John Orams Subject: Re: Double Page Spreads To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48a5b97ba5kh@waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 16 Nov, Keith Hopper wrote: > On 16 Nov, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > > > I am producing a Pamphlet (1 folded A4 sheet producing 4 sides of A5) and > > I want to put a pale background image behind the 'centrefold' so that it > > extends right across left and right pages. > > > I've tried doing this by placing the same image on both sides and eactly > > lining it up, but a white line appeared down the centre. Anyone know how to > > fix that? > > I too had this problem over a year ago and David responded that it was > something to do with the bleeding - but couldn't a the time suggest a > workaround! > > KEith > How about using a separate file for your graphic as an A4 print, then overprint the A5 file as a seoncd run through your printer? John Orams -- MusiTech Ltd 20 Poplar Rd Whangaparaoa 1463 NZ Email: musitech@voyager.co.nz Ph: +64 (0)21 643 177 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 22:57:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83575 for opro ; Mon, 16 Nov 98 22:57:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911254133:10:09996:15; Mon, 16 Nov 98 22:08:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109204; 16 Nov 98 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA00413 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:57:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00402 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:57:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zfWe4-0000h1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:57:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 98 21:27:32 GMT Message-Id: <83570@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Double Page Spreads X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I've tried doing this by placing the same image on both sides and eactly > lining it up, but a white line appeared down the centre. We're into imposition territory here. I assume there is a bug, or rounding error which means that the two pages of the pamphlet pair do not just touch, instead there is a gap. Yes I should have fixed this long ago, but believe me playing rounding errors with printer drivers is not fun. I'd guess that a tweek to the imposition script would fix it. Some time ago I added 'creep' which inserts a gap between the two pages of the pair. Presumeably what is needed is a bit of negative creep. I guess the creep variable is still in the script. >Otherwise, is there an easy way of placing such an image, other than puting >two copies of it carefully on adjacent pages? No. But if you look most of the object templates have a 'spread' button which was intended to support this feature. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 22:57:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83576 for opro ; Mon, 16 Nov 98 22:57:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911254174:20:05362:15; Mon, 16 Nov 98 22:09:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005080; 16 Nov 98 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA00414 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:57:28 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00406 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:57:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zfWe5-0000h1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:57:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 98 21:33:05 GMT Message-Id: <83572@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would this explain why a frame that contains a large greyscale sprite fails >to appear (the whole frame that is, including borders/shadows) on a >TurboDirver printout if it (the frame) is rotated at all? No. Not as far as I know. You get the aforementioned error message. >The same picture _did_ print after I removed all the frame borders and >rotated the prite a little instead! The point here is that in the first case you effectively have an irregular frame, and in the second case you don't. As has been discussed before, with irregular frames, printing takes a very different path, and the CCPrfix file is need in the library directory to get printed output with CC printer drivers. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -- Michael Lowe Loughton Essex -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 03:27:10 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83603 for opro ; Tue, 17 Nov 98 03:27:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911271754:20:11003:15; Tue, 17 Nov 98 03:02:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104769; 17 Nov 98 3:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA01061 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:44:51 GMT Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (root@halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01056 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:44:37 GMT Received: from patrickd.pnc.com.au (d153-nas1.Hwk.pnc.com.au [203.57.114.153]) by halibut.pnc.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:17:37 +0100 (BST) From: Patrick Subject: Re: Overflow To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <83572@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Patrick Dowling, Wisemans Ferry, NSW 2775 Australia X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 16 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > < snip > > >The same picture _did_ print after I removed all the frame borders and > >rotated the prite a little instead! > > The point here is that in the first case you effectively have an irregular > frame, and in the second case you don't. > > As has been discussed before, with irregular frames, printing takes a very > different path, and the CCPrfix file is need in the library directory to get > printed output with CC printer drivers. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of CCPrfix please? -- Patrick Dowling, Wisemans Ferry, NSW 2775. Australia patrickd@pnc.com.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 13:48:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83610 for opro ; Tue, 17 Nov 98 13:48:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911274346:20:12358:16; Tue, 17 Nov 98 03:45:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012254; 17 Nov 98 3:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA01228 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:34:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA01217 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:33:59 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zfbu7-0002fw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:34:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 98 03:28:30 GMT Message-Id: <83604@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of CCPrfix please? www.beebug.com David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 13:48:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83611 for opro ; Tue, 17 Nov 98 13:48:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911284565:20:18510:17; Tue, 17 Nov 98 06:36:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018498; 17 Nov 98 6:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA01402 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:19:18 GMT Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com (arl-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.217.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA01397 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:19:06 GMT Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.16) id BAA09801 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:19:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:18:59 -0500 From: Eddie Lord Subject: Re: Colour printing on an EpsonStylus600 To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199811170119_MC2-6081-86D3@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id GAA01398 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Andrew D. Ingram BSc(Hons) wrote: >I'd just like to thank everyone for their info regarding these flash new >inkjets. I'd say that about 90% of replies recommended the Epson Stylus >700. I have checked and the original printer I saw was a 740. Is the 740 >better/newer? What are the differences? Any info would again be much >appreciated. Epson will send you some brochures with example printouts (which are impressive). E mail to info@epson.co.uk or look at the web page www.epson.co.uk Eddie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 13:49:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83617 for opro ; Tue, 17 Nov 98 13:49:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911294765:10:01527:15; Tue, 17 Nov 98 09:26:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126767; 17 Nov 98 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA01564 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:00:23 GMT Received: from amalthea.salford.ac.uk (amalthea.salford.ac.uk [146.87.255.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA01559 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:00:08 GMT Received: (qmail 15898 invoked by alias); 17 Nov 1998 09:00:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19981117090025.15897.qmail@amalthea.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 15892 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1998 09:00:24 -0000 Received: from brindley-056.salford.ac.uk (HELO Unknown) (146.87.16.56) by amalthea.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 17 Nov 1998 09:00:24 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Roger Darlington" Organization: University of Salford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:01:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Overflow X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > >Would this explain why a frame that contains a large greyscale sprite fails > >to appear (the whole frame that is, including borders/shadows) on a > >TurboDirver printout if it (the frame) is rotated at all? > > No. Not as far as I know. You get the aforementioned error message. > > > >The same picture _did_ print after I removed all the frame borders and > >rotated the prite a little instead! > > The point here is that in the first case you effectively have an irregular > frame, and in the second case you don't. > > As has been discussed before, with irregular frames, printing takes a very > different path, and the CCPrfix file is need in the library directory to get > printed output with CC printer drivers. I thought that I had persuaded David some years ago to make it ALWAYS print through the very different path, as this would seem to solve the major problems you describe (and others like them) which otherwise seem impossible to fix. At the time David said it was slower going through the very different print pathway, but I have not noticed any appreciable difference in speed either way. Roger Darlington > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk A 276MHz StrongARM RiscPC in 1200 by 1600 graphics at home for real work An 30MHz 80486 PC plod in 640 x 512 graphics at work for .... a long wait. Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 Remember - a proton is for life, not just for Christmas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 14:32:17 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83637 for opro ; Tue, 17 Nov 98 14:32:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911311661:10:01973:15; Tue, 17 Nov 98 14:07:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001447; 17 Nov 98 14:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA01982 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:28:07 GMT Received: from metis.salford.ac.uk (metis.salford.ac.uk [146.87.232.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA01977 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:27:51 GMT Received: (qmail 10897 invoked by alias); 17 Nov 1998 13:28:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19981117132808.10896.qmail@metis.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 10891 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1998 13:28:07 -0000 Received: from host-0677.maxwell.salford.ac.uk (HELO Unknown) (146.87.122.165) by metis.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 17 Nov 1998 13:28:07 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Peter Daniel" Organization: University of Salford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:29:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Double Page Spreads X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > No. But if you look most of the object templates have a 'spread' button which > was intended to support this feature. > What is the chance of this ever being implimented? Peter. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit my web-site: http://compsoc.man.ac.uk/~ulkesh/peter/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 15:14:28 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83648 for opro ; Tue, 17 Nov 98 15:14:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911315468:20:13660:18; Tue, 17 Nov 98 15:11:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013487; 17 Nov 98 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA02129 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:33:32 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02124 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:33:21 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zfmCK-0003ye-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:33:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 98 13:58:38 GMT Message-Id: <83622@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I thought that I had persuaded David some years ago to make it ALWAYS >print through the very different path, as this would seem to solve >the major problems you describe (and others like them) which otherwise >seem impossible to fix. NO! NO! NO! You don't know what you're saying. There are three different cases when an image is rendered. (1) non rotated image in a rectangular frame (2) rotated image in a rectangular frame (3) image in a rotated or irregular frame What you are refering to is the difference between (1) and (2) when the image happens to be a sprite. It's true that originally I used different code for these two cases, and it turned out the code for (1) although faster was not accurate enough, and I changed it. What the current discussion is about is the difference between (2) and (3) for any type of image, sprite or Draw file or anything. In case anyone wonders why a rotated rectangular frame gets promoted to being called irregular, its all because RISC OS only provides non-rotated rectangular clipping of graphics. There are a few more paths through the code e.g. output to PostScript (where you can clip to an irregular path), the case with a rotated rectangular frame where the image fits inside a non-rotated rectangle which in turn fits inside the rotated frame. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 18:11:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83668 for opro ; Tue, 17 Nov 98 18:11:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911325680:10:13661:15; Tue, 17 Nov 98 18:01:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119333; 17 Nov 98 18:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA02489 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:38:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA02484 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:38:31 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zfp5Y-0005pf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:38:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 98 17:33:28 GMT Message-Id: <83662@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Double Page Spreads X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> No. But if you look most of the object templates have a 'spread' button which >> was intended to support this feature. >What is the chance of this ever being implimented? How many 0's can you afford to put after the decimal point...? Not much chance. This could cue a long rant about what Acorn have done in recent months, but I'm sure you know all that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 18:48:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83672 for opro ; Tue, 17 Nov 98 18:47:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911328426:20:28408:15; Tue, 17 Nov 98 18:47:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109059; 17 Nov 98 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02695 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:28:27 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02687 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:28:14 GMT Received: from (bw08.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.75.145] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zfprf-0001Ic-00; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:28:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:46:50 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a67f39e7stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Conversion of OP files. Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (08 Oct 1998) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, I used OP to produce my Ph.D thesis, which was approximately 260 pages in length. The problem now is that my boss is urgently requesting an electronic copy of my thesis. So then: Does anybody know of the state of the RTF exporter that was mentioned on this list sometime back. Failing RTF, has anybody used the HTML exporter, by Levens software, and how would it cope with such a large document, which contains numerous drawfiles. I am a bit reluctant to export my thesis as plain text, as I have made extensive use of superscripts, subscripts and Greek characters, so is there any other method by which I could transfer this document over to a PC. Steve. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ SA RISC PC, 18Mb. / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ ICQ#23427335 \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 18:48:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83671 for opro ; Tue, 17 Nov 98 18:47:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911328060:10:06364:15; Tue, 17 Nov 98 18:41:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108575; 17 Nov 98 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02642 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:25:21 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02631 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:25:00 GMT Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zfpoW-0007DC-00 for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:25:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:24:25 +0000 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Wonderful 2.51 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, you're a star! - At last, endcaps on lines now snap to the grid correctly! And not a mention in the fixes readme. I'd given up hope of seeing it :-) Now, just so as to spoil it a bit, a group box around ojects including a line with end-caps still doesn't take the end-caps into account. If I group a number of objects, text no longer seems to run-around the group. Any suggestions? I must also report a fatal branch-through-zero eror when I was trying to duplicate a small text frame partly obscured by other text frames. Haven't managed to repeat it though, so this report probably ain't much use :-( anyway, HTH. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 22:34:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83697 for opro ; Tue, 17 Nov 98 22:34:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911341383:20:29894:15; Tue, 17 Nov 98 22:23:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029825; 17 Nov 98 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03319 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:02:01 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03310 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:01:31 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zftC4-0000b1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:01:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 98 21:52:56 GMT Message-Id: <83695@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wonderful 2.51 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >At last, endcaps on lines now snap to the grid >correctly! And not a mention in the fixes readme. I'd given up hope of >seeing it :-) I'm sorry to say, you're not seeing it... (end caps are just as bad as they ever were). >If I group a number of objects, text no longer seems to run-around the >group. Any suggestions? It's not supposed to, should run around the components. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 01:33:33 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83698 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 01:33:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911342722:10:23532:15; Tue, 17 Nov 98 22:45:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022919; 17 Nov 98 22:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03317 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:01:57 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03305 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:01:27 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zftC2-0000b1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:01:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 98 21:52:49 GMT Message-Id: <83693@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I used OP to produce my Ph.D thesis, which was approximately 260 pages in >length. The problem now is that my boss is urgently requesting an electronic >copy of my thesis. >Does anybody know of the state of the RTF exporter that was mentioned on this >list sometime back. I want to note that I asked the powers that be, and didn't get a reply. Anyone know Rob Clark? >Failing RTF, has anybody used the HTML exporter, by Levens software, and how >would it cope with such a large document, which contains numerous drawfiles. Last I heard it was nearly finished. But I can't vouch for what it does, never having seen a copy. >I am a bit reluctant to export my thesis as plain text, as I have made >extensive use of superscripts, subscripts and Greek characters, so is there >any other method by which I could transfer this document over to a PC. How about printing to PostScript and then using GhostScript to convert it to Adobe PDF? That way it comes out just like you DTP'd it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 01:33:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83699 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 01:33:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911343227:20:03886:16; Tue, 17 Nov 98 22:53:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003828; 17 Nov 98 22:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03314 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:01:37 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA03300 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:01:19 GMT Received: (qmail 27287 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1998 22:01:40 -0000 Received: from 18-075.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.75) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 1998 22:01:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:36:23 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83572@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <83572@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Would this explain why a frame that contains a large greyscale sprite fails > >to appear (the whole frame that is, including borders/shadows) on a > >TurboDirver printout if it (the frame) is rotated at all? > > No. Not as far as I know. You get the aforementioned error message. > > >The same picture _did_ print after I removed all the frame borders and > >rotated the prite a little instead! > > The point here is that in the first case you effectively have an irregular > frame, and in the second case you don't. > > As has been discussed before, with irregular frames, printing takes a very > different path, and the CCPrfix file is need in the library directory to get > printed output with CC printer drivers. Mmmm. I do have the CC prefix thingy (1.02 10/10/97) with the modification that was suggested in this Mailing List (.. "|| i == 0x13" added to the printer type identifier) and this works fine now with circular frames, and rounded frames that are rotated a little, all with sprites in them. It's only this (bigger) sprite that vanishes. Is that subtle, or just silly? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 02:43:03 1998 Return-path: Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.34] by pilling.demon.co.uk with smtp (ANTmail1.29b); id sm039f41a; Wed, 18 Nov 98 02:42 +0000 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911356812:10:02095:15; Wed, 18 Nov 98 02:40:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129738; 18 Nov 98 2:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA03897 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:26:40 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA03892 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:26:28 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zfxKW-00003Y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:26:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 02:09:31 GMT Message-Id: <83711@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: O X-IS-UID: >Mmmm. I do have the CC prefix thingy (1.02 10/10/97) with the modification >that was suggested in this Mailing List (.. "|| i == 0x13" added to the >printer type identifier) and this works fine now with circular frames, and >rounded frames that are rotated a little, all with sprites in them. >It's only this (bigger) sprite that vanishes. Ah well. Different problem. I suppose you check the usual suspects, does it go wrong with an Acorn style driver? Does the amount of free memory available have any effect? Somewhere (check release notes) there's a variable in OPro you can twiddle to control how much memory it reserves for handling irregular frame printning. (hint: last param of printchoices()) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 14:03:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83718 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 14:03:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911374910:10:12928:18; Wed, 18 Nov 98 07:41:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100724; 18 Nov 98 7:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA06309 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:31:01 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA06304 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:30:43 GMT Received: from modem-14.dextroamphetam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.62.142] helo=dial4227) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #5) id 0zg252-00066H-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:31:12 +0000 Message-ID: <003101be1284$0fe1ec80$8e3e883e@dial4227> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:43:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David wrote: >How about printing to PostScript and then using GhostScript to convert it >to Adobe PDF? That way it comes out just like you DTP'd it. I can vouch for the PDF route. Adobe Distiller (on a PC) does a cracking job of producing a PDF file from Acorn PS output. You'll get much smaller and more WYSIWYG output from a PDF. Then you can just rewrite your abstract/summary as HTML so the search engines can find it. There's even a copy of distiller with a web interface somewhere (I can't remember where - perhaps someone else can...) Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit and: research student in physics, university of warwick, coventry cv4 7al mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 14:03:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83719 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 14:03:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911380122:10:25914:19; Wed, 18 Nov 98 09:08:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025827; 18 Nov 98 9:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA06957 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:53:05 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06950 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:52:39 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-97.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.97]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA28955 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:53:07 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:51:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48a67f39e7stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 17 Nov, Stephen Brown wrote: > Hello, > > I used OP to produce my Ph.D thesis, which was approximately 260 pages in > length. The problem now is that my boss is urgently requesting an > electronic copy of my thesis. > I know this doesn't help, but OPro is an electronic copy. If he had wanted a specific platform / package for the thesis, he / she should have said so at the start rather than make unwarranted assumptions about what would be used. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 14:03:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83720 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 14:03:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911382305:10:12253:32; Wed, 18 Nov 98 09:45:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012223; 18 Nov 98 9:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07301 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:27:09 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk (qmailr@pat.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA07296 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:26:50 GMT Received: (qmail 29447 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1998 09:26:57 -0000 Received: from mary.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1998 09:26:57 -0000 Received: from ppp16-annex.bath.ac.uk by mary.bath.ac.uk id aa18552; 18 Nov 98 9:26 GMT From: Martin Devon Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:24:42 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite 2.00b24/Acorn RISC OS X-Organization: Stonar School Wiltshire UK 44 (0)1225 702309 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue, 17 Nov, Brian OCarroll wrote: > Mmmm. I do have the CC prefix thingy (1.02 10/10/97) with the modification > that was suggested in this Mailing List (.. "|| i 0x13" added to the > printer type identifier) If printing over a network, should something similar be added for printertype$4 (netprint) and printertype$99 (turboqueue) ? Martin Devon Stonar School -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 14:03:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83722 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 14:03:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911397626:10:04091:15; Wed, 18 Nov 98 14:00:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003912; 18 Nov 98 14:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA08767 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:25:39 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (sams@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08758 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:25:16 GMT Received: from localhost (sams@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13825 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:29:37 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:29:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Sam Smith To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk '" Subject: RE: Conversion of OP files. In-Reply-To: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B2631878B@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, REEVES-HALL, PC wrote: > I have the prospect of writting reports soon for my PhD and would also like > to know the state of conversion to some "PC" formats. I envisage a lot of > Artworks diagrams, draw files and Formulix objects as well.... > > What woudl be the best plan? > Word?, PostScript?, Acrobat?, Tex? TechWriter??? As good as OPro is, it doesn't ship it;s files off to other software on either the same or other platforms that well. Neither does impression. It was never designed to do it. They have also got IMpression reading arriving in Version 5 (available at the Birmingham show) Regards Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 14:04:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83727 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 14:04:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911393168:20:01919:16; Wed, 18 Nov 98 12:46:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102981; 18 Nov 98 12:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA08286 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:13:54 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA08279 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:13:35 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zg6Uo-0001n7-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:14:06 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zg6Um-0004m7-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:14:04 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:14:04 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B2631878B@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk '" Subject: RE: Conversion of OP files. Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:14:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have the prospect of writting reports soon for my PhD and would also like to know the state of conversion to some "PC" formats. I envisage a lot of Artworks diagrams, draw files and Formulix objects as well.... What woudl be the best plan? Word?, PostScript?, Acrobat?, Tex? Thanks, Peter R.H. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sent: 11/17/98 4:46 PM Subject: Conversion of OP files. Hello, I used OP to produce my Ph.D thesis, which was approximately 260 pages in length. The problem now is that my boss is urgently requesting an electronic copy of my thesis. So then: Does anybody know of the state of the RTF exporter that was mentioned on this list sometime back. Failing RTF, has anybody used the HTML exporter, by Levens software, and how would it cope with such a large document, which contains numerous drawfiles. I am a bit reluctant to export my thesis as plain text, as I have made extensive use of superscripts, subscripts and Greek characters, so is there any other method by which I could transfer this document over to a PC. Steve. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ SA RISC PC, 18Mb. / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ ICQ#23427335 \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 15:11:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83748 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 15:11:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911401873:10:27652:17; Wed, 18 Nov 98 15:11:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027130; 18 Nov 98 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA09216 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:36:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09211 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:36:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zg8j7-0002xT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:37:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 14:18:41 GMT Message-Id: <83736@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If printing over a network, should something similar be added for >printertype$4 (netprint) and printertype$99 (turboqueue) ? Simple minded answer... if you are printing to Turbos i.e. they are running on the machine you're printing on, then you need the fix. The fix is only relevant to the code being used to render the image. Once it's rendered and shipped off down the line, the fix can't possibly have an effect. And rendering can only take place on the machine with OPro on it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 15:46:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83749 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 15:46:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911402137:10:02841:15; Wed, 18 Nov 98 15:15:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107297; 18 Nov 98 15:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA09294 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:49:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA09281 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:48:42 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.130) [193.149.80.130] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zg8us-00027k-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:49:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:39:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a6f76965steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10a for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: !Speak with OP Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello All I am using version 2.5 of OP and I have a registered copy of !Speak. I do not seem to be able to get OP to read out the text I have typed. I have set the speak applet within OP and I have loaded the !Speak program, but without success. If I save the text out of OP and into !Speak it works ok. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Steve -- Some like it HOT I like mine COOL _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 15:46:33 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83752 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 15:46:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911404047:10:07936:15; Wed, 18 Nov 98 15:47:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007666; 18 Nov 98 15:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09531 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:20:06 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09517 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:19:31 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zg9PS-0006bD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:20:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:20:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: RE: Conversion of OP files. To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk '" In-Reply-To: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B2631878B@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 18 Nov, REEVES-HALL, PC wrote: > I have the prospect of writting reports soon for my PhD and would also > like to know the state of conversion to some "PC" formats. I envisage a > lot of Artworks diagrams, draw files and Formulix objects as well.... > > What woudl be the best plan? > Word?, PostScript?, Acrobat?, Tex? As others have suggested, use a PS printer driver to create a PS file, then move it to a Unix box and put it through ps2pdf to create a PDF file. It's the best possible solution really, as your layout will be preserved exactly as you intend. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 18:38:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83760 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 18:38:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911409800:20:17129:21; Wed, 18 Nov 98 17:23:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121263; 18 Nov 98 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10132 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:38:00 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10124 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:37:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zgAcH-0003g4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:38:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 15:52:02 GMT Message-Id: <83755@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Speak with OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Speech... The famous ex colleague Mr. Wallace wrote this applet, and had all the contact with Mr. Duddington. So I'm reluctant, and quite possibly not competent to offer advice. However it seems to me that the applet just uses the *say command to produce its output. So if I was getting no results, I'd be inclined to launch a *say from inside OPro. (I'd do that by creating a user macro {osclis("say hello")} and double clicking on its name). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 18:38:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83762 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 18:38:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911408012:10:16338:15; Wed, 18 Nov 98 16:53:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107291; 18 Nov 98 16:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10052 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:27:15 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA10047 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:26:57 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zgAS3-0006pz-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:27:31 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zgAS2-0003Bk-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:27:30 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:27:30 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B2631879E@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk ' '" Subject: RE: Conversion of OP files. Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:27:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sounds like a good canditate for a FAQ, there have also been sugestions of Gostscript->acrobat. I know that PS processing is a major headache by all acounts, especialy with fonts... Any advice or detials of a working system..? Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Liam Gretton To: 'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk ' Sent: 11/18/98 3:20 PM Subject: RE: Conversion of OP files. On Wed 18 Nov, REEVES-HALL, PC wrote: > I have the prospect of writting reports soon for my PhD and would also > like to know the state of conversion to some "PC" formats. I envisage a > lot of Artworks diagrams, draw files and Formulix objects as well.... > > What woudl be the best plan? > Word?, PostScript?, Acrobat?, Tex? As others have suggested, use a PS printer driver to create a PS file, then move it to a Unix box and put it through ps2pdf to create a PDF file. It's the best possible solution really, as your layout will be preserved exactly as you intend. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 19:14:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83775 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 19:14:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911414794:20:17695:15; Wed, 18 Nov 98 18:46:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017632; 18 Nov 98 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10821 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:31:59 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10813 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:31:36 GMT Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user164.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.96]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10266 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:32:08 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:30:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a70c9619marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !Speak with OP In-Reply-To: <48a6f76965steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 18 Nov, Steve wrote: > Hello All > I am using version 2.5 of OP and I have a registered copy of !Speak. > I do not seem to be able to get OP to read out the text I have typed. > I have set the speak applet within OP and I have loaded the !Speak > program, but without success. > If I save the text out of OP and into !Speak it works ok. > Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Download form Beebug site the Speech applet. De-archive (SparkPlug) it. Put it in the OPro>Applets directory. Quit OPro if already loaded. Re-load OPro. Load Speak. Menu over OPro window. Applets>Speech>Speak as you type (or whatever option you want) Type. After a punctuation or space the word will be read. Hope that helps. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 19:14:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83777 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 19:14:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911416526:20:22532:15; Wed, 18 Nov 98 19:15:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108279; 18 Nov 98 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10946 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:50:25 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10940 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:50:08 GMT Received: from [158.152.237.88] (helo=microlas) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgCgc-0005sa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:50:43 +0000 Received: from 97.4.0.33 by microlas ([97.4.0.88] running VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP for ; MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:44:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a70dda22andy@microlas.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 0.45m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0 Unregistered Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro We regularly use Acrobat Distiller running on a PC to create PDF files. We've not yet had any problems with converting PostScript produced using the Acorn drivers. That's probably the way to go. Cheers Andrew J Bissex -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Micro Laser Designs * ACORN CENTRE OF TECHNOLOGY * 105 Midford Road * PRINTING / IMAGESETTING * Combe Down * SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINT * Bath BA2 5RX andy@microlas.demon.co.uk http://www.microlas.demon.co.uk Tel : 01225 833266 Fax : 01225 832200 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 19:52:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83784 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 19:52:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911417101:20:02790:21; Wed, 18 Nov 98 19:25:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125317; 18 Nov 98 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10663 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:04:13 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (lizard.u-net.net [195.102.240.251]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10656 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:03:50 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.153] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zgCsM-0007nm-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:02:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:59:10 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Conversion of OP files. Message-ID: <57af9a748%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Liam Gretton wrote: > On Wed 18 Nov, REEVES-HALL, PC wrote: > > I have the prospect of writting reports soon for my PhD and would also > > like to know the state of conversion to some "PC" formats. I envisage a > > lot of Artworks diagrams, draw files and Formulix objects as well.... > > > > What woudl be the best plan? > > Word?, PostScript?, Acrobat?, Tex? > > As others have suggested, use a PS printer driver to create a PS file, then > move it to a Unix box and put it through ps2pdf to create a PDF file. It's > the best possible solution really, as your layout will be preserved exactly > as you intend. > If there is a utility ps2pdf could that not be ported to the Acorn? I have used !PSUtils - which includes several other PS manipulation tools ported from Unix - and they seem to work quite well on the RiscPC. It would be great to be able to create !PDF files from OvPro without using another platform to do it? David -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 21:25:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83785 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 21:25:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911420005:10:24768:15; Wed, 18 Nov 98 20:13:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024703; 18 Nov 98 20:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11503 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:53:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11498 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:53:38 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zgDg4-00027O-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:54:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 19:23:28 GMT Message-Id: <83780@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Conversion of OP files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >As others have suggested, use a PS printer driver to create a PS file, then >move it to a Unix box and put it through ps2pdf Doesn't the latter just fire up Ghostscript with the right command line flags? I'm obsessed with a RISC OS only solution that uses the RISC OS port of GS4... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 22:35:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83794 for opro ; Wed, 18 Nov 98 22:35:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911426516:10:16670:17; Wed, 18 Nov 98 22:01:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115412; 18 Nov 98 22:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA12193 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:49:28 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12188 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:49:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgFTo-0001vq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:49:41 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:23:26 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:23:00 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. Message-ID: <528298a648%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48a67f39e7stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48a67f39e7stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > Hello, > > I used OP to produce my Ph.D thesis, which was approximately 260 pages in > length. The problem now is that my boss is urgently requesting an electronic > copy of my thesis. > > So then: > > Does anybody know of the state of the RTF exporter that was mentioned on this > list sometime back. > > Failing RTF, has anybody used the HTML exporter, by Levens software, and how > would it cope with such a large document, which contains numerous drawfiles. > > I am a bit reluctant to export my thesis as plain text, as I have made > extensive use of superscripts, subscripts and Greek characters, so is there > any other method by which I could transfer this document over to a PC. Not the easiest solution, but OCR might be the best way, given a good OCR app on the PC. The drawfiles would have to be done separately using a draw->metafile conversion apps. Perhaps it's not such a good solution. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 01:52:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83795 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 01:52:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911432492:10:18891:15; Wed, 18 Nov 98 23:41:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129189; 18 Nov 98 23:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA12754 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:29:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA12749 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:29:00 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.149) [193.149.80.149] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zgH2V-0004MN-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:29:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:27:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a727b9f2sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !Speak with OP In-Reply-To: <48a70c9619marteng@intonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48a70c9619marteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > On 18 Nov, Steve wrote: > > Hello All > > I am using version 2.5 of OP and I have a registered copy of !Speak. > > I do not seem to be able to get OP to read out the text I have typed. > > I have set the speak applet within OP and I have loaded the !Speak > > program, but without success. > > If I save the text out of OP and into !Speak it works ok. > > Any suggestions greatly appreciated. > Download form Beebug site the Speech applet. > De-archive (SparkPlug) it. > Put it in the OPro>Applets directory. > Quit OPro if already loaded. > Re-load OPro. > Load Speak. > Menu over OPro window. > Applets>Speech>Speak as you type (or whatever option you want) > Type. After a punctuation or space the word will be read. > Hope that helps. The problem is that it doesn't work despite doing this a while ago! Now I'm sure I remember that I have had it working previously - maybe with the original 1.46 I got(?) - but it has not worked for me as long as I can remember with more recent versions. Perhaps I should try with an earlier version to confirm this. I did post an article with the same problem a few weeks ago - but no response that worked. I've tried David's suggestion of a user macro with no success. Very strange as others seem to be using it successfully. Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 01:53:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83797 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 01:53:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911435836:10:03611:15; Thu, 19 Nov 98 00:37:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003436; 19 Nov 98 0:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA13085 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:22:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA13080 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:22:33 GMT Received: from (bw08.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.85.29] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zgHsL-0005C8-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:23:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:18:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a72c7055stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. In-Reply-To: <003101be1284$0fe1ec80$8e3e883e@dial4227> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <003101be1284$0fe1ec80$8e3e883e@dial4227>, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > David wrote: > >How about printing to PostScript and then using GhostScript to convert it > >to Adobe PDF? That way it comes out just like you DTP'd it. > I can vouch for the PDF route. Adobe Distiller (on a PC) does a cracking job > of producing a PDF file from Acorn PS output. You'll get much smaller and > more WYSIWYG output from a PDF. Then you can just rewrite your > abstract/summary as HTML so the search engines can find it. I haven't got Adobe Distiller, but I have just downloaded Ghost script (for the PC) from Hensa, which is supposed to be able to convert postscript files into PDF. However, every time I try to use the command ps2pdf the output file that is produced simply contains details of an error that occured whilst processing the postscript file. I have tried both level 1 and 2 postscript files produced via the Acorn printer driver and a postscript file produced from Microsoft word (using a postscript printer driver of course), but I can't get ps2pdf to convert any of them. Originally the pc batch file ps2pdf.bat contained a reference to the file "gs", but this file did not exist in the version of GS I had downloaded, and therefore was causing a bad command error. The closest file to this was called gswin32.exe, so am I correct in replacing gs with gswin32 in this batch file. > There's even a copy of distiller with a web interface somewhere (I can't > remember where - perhaps someone else can...) I've just found a reference to this site from c.s.a.apps dated 13th July 1998, the site in question is : http://www.babinszki.com/distiller/ You are supposed to be able to upload postscript files, using ftp, to ftp://ftp.babinszki.com/pub/distiller/INBOX/ and then collect them from ftp://ftp.babinszki.com/pub/distiller/OUT/ a few minutes later. The problem is, although I can view both the in box and out box using Acorns Browse, I cannot get either sFTP or Voyager's FTP client to connect to this site. Both ftp applications report that the address could not be resolved. I am probably doing something stupid, but what? Steve. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ SA RISC PC, 18Mb. / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ ICQ#23427335 \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 14:27:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83806 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 14:27:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911447428:10:03870:15; Thu, 19 Nov 98 03:50:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003818; 19 Nov 98 3:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA13959 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:35:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA13952 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:34:39 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zgKsG-00016P-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:35:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 98 02:04:43 GMT Message-Id: <83803@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >but I have just downloaded Ghost script (for the PC) from Hensa, which is >supposed to be able to convert postscript files into PDF. However, every >time I try to use the command ps2pdf the output file >that is produced simply contains details of an error that occured whilst >processing the postscript file. I wonder if you should tackle the simpler problem of just getting GS to display PS files... AFAIK there is GS4 for RISC OS and GS5 for the PC. GS5 appears to be much better at finding fault with RISC OS PS files than GS4. Maybe the PS error message gives a clue to the problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 14:28:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83807 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 14:27:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911460744:10:07850:15; Thu, 19 Nov 98 07:32:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122493; 19 Nov 98 7:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA14474 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:21:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA14469 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:21:30 GMT Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgOPq-0001PZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:22:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:00:20 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Wonderful 2.51 In-Reply-To: <83695@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <83695@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >>At last, endcaps on lines now snap to the grid >>correctly! And not a mention in the fixes readme. I'd given up hope of >>seeing it :-) > >I'm sorry to say, you're not seeing it... (end caps are just as >bad as they ever were). > D'oh, sh... You're right, of course; my end caps were the same size as the grid. Oh well, it made my day yesterday :-) > >>If I group a number of objects, text no longer seems to run-around the >>group. Any suggestions? > >It's not supposed to, should run around the components. > Ah, that'll explain it then. Was it always so? > > > >David Pilling > >-- ^ do you know your sig.sep is broken? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 14:28:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83809 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 14:28:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911465645:10:10046:15; Thu, 19 Nov 98 08:54:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010004; 19 Nov 98 8:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA14628 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:43:24 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14623 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:43:04 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (mybg@RAS1-p14.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.160.16]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA10558 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:39:47 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3653DA30.C2DF461A@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:43:28 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. References: <83803@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > >but I have just downloaded Ghost script (for the PC) from Hensa, which is > >supposed to be able to convert postscript files into PDF. However, every > >time I try to use the command ps2pdf the output file > >that is produced simply contains details of an error that occured whilst > >processing the postscript file. > > I wonder if you should tackle the simpler problem of just getting GS to > display PS files... > > AFAIK there is GS4 for RISC OS and GS5 for the PC. GS5 appears to be much > better at finding fault with RISC OS PS files than GS4. Hmmm...Interesting. I have gs 5.10 installed on a linux machine, and set up as a printer filter. For those of you who don't understand Unix lingo, what that means is that I set up a 'virtual printer' named 'ps' (for example) and it sends the text it receives to a 'real' printer, say ljet6.raw, via ghostscript. ljet6.raw just sends on anything it receives to the printer whithout doing anything to it at all. Taking a postscript file and entering lpr -Pps file.ps will, as far as linux is concerned, send file.ps to the printer named 'ps'. If ghostscript is set up as a filter, this will print the postscript on the printer, as if it were a postscript printer. Where this ties into the above about OP and Postscript is that I use the linux machine as a printer server for a small Acorn network (2 networked Risc PCs off the linux server). Using the Acorn LaserJet 6 driver is terribly slow, but the Postscript driver (level 2) is very fast. I have set up the printer drivers so they print over NFS, with the postscript driver printing to the printer 'ps'. This works 99% of the time, and I really cannot remember the last time it didn't. So the bottom line is that gs 5.10 does NOT, in my experience, 'dislike' the Acorn printer driver output. This goes for any s/w, Impression, TechWriter, O Pro, etc. As an aside, using the linux machine as a printer server allows me to print from either machine to either the LaserJet 6P or a small colour DeskJet, both from Risc OS and from the PC card on either machine. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 14:28:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83811 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 14:28:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911470831:10:26482:16; Thu, 19 Nov 98 10:20:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126538; 19 Nov 98 10:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA14863 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:01:50 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14858 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:01:38 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-1.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.132] with SMTP for id LAA26114 (8.8.8/1.10); Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:02:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:09:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: RE: Conversion of OP files. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <83780@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 18 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > >As others have suggested, use a PS printer driver to create a PS file, then > >move it to a Unix box and put it through ps2pdf > > Doesn't the latter just fire up Ghostscript with the right command line flags? > > I'm obsessed with a RISC OS only solution that uses the RISC OS port of GS4... There are more ways to get PDF writing on RiscOs. In comp.os.linux.announce there is a message with the subject; COMMERCIAL: ClibPDF - ANSI C Source Library for Direct PDF Generation Send by Isamu Ohzawa io@fastio.com or clibpdf@fastio.com Website http://www.fastio.com/ The discussion should be in comp.text.pdf The announcement is too long to be placed here but it gives good information on what is available now and how to avoid Adobe rights. I wonder whether it has all the features that are needed. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net All views expressed are my own and may have no relation whatsoever to the views of Acorn, Intel, Tulip, IBM, ARM, Sun, Compaq, Micro- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 14:28:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83815 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 14:28:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911479279:10:13129:15; Thu, 19 Nov 98 12:41:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012641; 19 Nov 98 12:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15220 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:11:21 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA15215 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:11:08 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zgSwB-000149-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:11:51 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zgSwA-0006Fh-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:11:50 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:11:50 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B263187A2@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk '" Subject: RE: Conversion of OP files. Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:11:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Where can you get !PSutils from?? Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sent: 11/18/98 5:59 PM Subject: RE: Conversion of OP files. Liam Gretton wrote: > On Wed 18 Nov, REEVES-HALL, PC wrote: > > I have the prospect of writting reports soon for my PhD and would also > > like to know the state of conversion to some "PC" formats. I envisage a > > lot of Artworks diagrams, draw files and Formulix objects as well.... > > > > What woudl be the best plan? > > Word?, PostScript?, Acrobat?, Tex? > > As others have suggested, use a PS printer driver to create a PS file, then > move it to a Unix box and put it through ps2pdf to create a PDF file. It's > the best possible solution really, as your layout will be preserved exactly > as you intend. > If there is a utility ps2pdf could that not be ported to the Acorn? I have used !PSUtils - which includes several other PS manipulation tools ported from Unix - and they seem to work quite well on the RiscPC. It would be great to be able to create !PDF files from OvPro without using another platform to do it? David -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 14:28:31 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83816 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 14:28:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911480781:10:12094:17; Thu, 19 Nov 98 13:06:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011872; 19 Nov 98 13:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15333 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:34:19 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15327 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:34:05 GMT Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user137.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.69]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14737 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:34:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:09:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a75d0078marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !Speak with OP In-Reply-To: <48a727b9f2sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > The problem is that it doesn't work despite doing this a while ago! Now > I'm sure I remember that I have had it working previously - maybe with > the original 1.46 I got(?) - but it has not worked for me as long as I > can remember with more recent versions. Perhaps I should try with an > earlier version to confirm this. I did post an article with the same > problem a few weeks ago - but no response that worked. I've tried > David's suggestion of a user macro with no success. > Very strange as others seem to be using it successfully. Have you got the JSDSpeak 'font' loaded? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 15:18:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83826 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 15:18:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911469360:20:23293:15; Thu, 19 Nov 98 09:56:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023260; 19 Nov 98 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA14766 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:38:24 GMT Received: from hades.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14761 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:38:10 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07784 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:33:01 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07297; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:37:25 GMT Message-ID: <3653E730.61E2C9D4@sharp.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:38:56 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. References: <83780@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > Doesn't the latter just fire up Ghostscript with the right command line > flags? Yes, that is correct. > I'm obsessed with a RISC OS only solution that uses the RISC OS port of > GS4... I have tried the RISC OS port of GS4 but found that, on my machine at least, the pdf writing part of Ghostscript didn't work so .... .... I suppose now is the time for me to own up to having ported Alladin Ghostscript 5.03 to RISC OS. This includes all, or at lest most of, the 'devices' in Ghostscript, including the PDF writer. Please don't flood me with requests or it at the moment though - it works well but there is a little more I want to do to it before releasing to the wider world than my home. If there is a level of serious interest in it I will try to do that work sooner rather than later. And I have found Ghostscript 5.x to be happy with all the PS files I have thrown at it. The only real problem is that Leo Smiers !PDF seems to interpret some of the PDF files created by GS5 slightly differently from the PC viewer, leaving some lines slightly thicker than they should be. These same files look fine on the PC. Of course, the question is whether GS5 is producing slightly incorrect PDF or whether !PDF is not interpreting it correctly. When I make some progress I will let you know. Graham Jones. -- Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 15:18:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83829 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 15:18:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911476964:20:11706:16; Thu, 19 Nov 98 12:02:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128825; 19 Nov 98 12:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA15134 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:41:24 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15129 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:41:11 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zgSTv-0005Im-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:42:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:42:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3653E730.61E2C9D4@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 19 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > ... I suppose now is the time for me to own up to having ported Alladin > Ghostscript 5.03 to RISC OS. This includes all, or at lest most of, the > 'devices' in Ghostscript, including the PDF writer. Wahey, good for you! You'll be a hero in the Acorn community! > And I have found Ghostscript 5.x to be happy with all the PS files I have > thrown at it. The only real problem is that Leo Smiers !PDF seems to > interpret some of the PDF files created by GS5 slightly differently from > the PC viewer, leaving some lines slightly thicker than they should be. I think I have seen exactly the same thing in !PDF, and I use GS5 running under Solaris to generate pdf files. Invariably, pdf files displayed in !PDF print without any such problems, especially if the PS is extracted and simply thrown at a PS printer. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From pc.reeveshall@ic.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 15:18:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83830 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 15:18:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911477691:20:24878:0; Thu, 19 Nov 98 12:14:51 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.9]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124332; 19 Nov 98 12:14 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zgSyv-00017u-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:14:41 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0zgSyv-0006Kf-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:14:41 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:14:40 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B263187A3@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk To: "'opro@pilling.demon.co.uk '" Subject: RE: Conversion of OP files. Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:14:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" oooo... Where can I get GS 4 for Risc OS and V5 for the PC from please? :-) Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sent: 11/19/98 2:04 AM Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. >but I have just downloaded Ghost script (for the PC) from Hensa, which is >supposed to be able to convert postscript files into PDF. However, every >time I try to use the command ps2pdf the output file >that is produced simply contains details of an error that occured whilst >processing the postscript file. I wonder if you should tackle the simpler problem of just getting GS to display PS files... AFAIK there is GS4 for RISC OS and GS5 for the PC. GS5 appears to be much better at finding fault with RISC OS PS files than GS4. Maybe the PS error message gives a clue to the problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 15:18:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83834 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 15:18:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911487925:20:01285:25; Thu, 19 Nov 98 15:05:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000885; 19 Nov 98 15:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA15658 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:31:41 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15653 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:31:29 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-7.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.138] with SMTP for id PAA08362 (8.8.8/1.10); Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:32:13 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:04:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 19 Nov, Liam Gretton wrote: > On Thu 19 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > > ... I suppose now is the time for me to own up to having ported Alladin > > Ghostscript 5.03 to RISC OS. This includes all, or at lest most of, the > > 'devices' in Ghostscript, including the PDF writer. > > Wahey, good for you! You'll be a hero in the Acorn community! Would make export of DTP and communication with printshops far easier. Cool! > > And I have found Ghostscript 5.x to be happy with all the PS files I have > > thrown at it. The only real problem is that Leo Smiers !PDF seems to > > interpret some of the PDF files created by GS5 slightly differently from > > the PC viewer, leaving some lines slightly thicker than they should be. > > I think I have seen exactly the same thing in !PDF, and I use GS5 running > under Solaris to generate pdf files. Invariably, pdf files displayed in !PDF > print without any such problems, especially if the PS is extracted and > simply thrown at a PS printer. I have RiScript Pro, wonder what that will make of it. But I don't have GhostScript. So if someone is willing to send a GhostScript based PDF I will give it a try. If it shows the same problem it is more likely caused by GhostScript. Could also be a RiscOs specific problem though. What does the Acrobat Reader on other platforms with those files? Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net All views expressed are my own and may have no relation whatsoever to the views of Acorn, Intel, Tulip, IBM, ARM, Sun, Compaq, Micro- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 22:09:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83864 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 22:09:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911503471:20:03101:16; Thu, 19 Nov 98 19:24:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002877; 19 Nov 98 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16059 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:07:01 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16054 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:06:46 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zgZQQ-0002Nb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:07:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 98 19:00:20 GMT Message-Id: <83860@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Conversion of OP files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >oooo... Where can I get GS 4 for Risc OS and V5 for the PC from please? >Where can you get !PSutils from?? I think in both cases the answer is HENSA. Try typing www.hensa.ac.uk into a web browser and take it from there. (you want the micros branch @ Lancaster). GS4 and psutils are also available, direct dial from Arcade BBS (0181-654-2212). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 22:09:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83866 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 22:09:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911505353:20:07954:14; Thu, 19 Nov 98 19:55:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007863; 19 Nov 98 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16334 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:54:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16329 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:54:10 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgaAK-0003uJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:54:57 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:27:30 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:12:19 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Conversion of OP files. Message-ID: <9b5a26a748%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <83780@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <83780@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >As others have suggested, use a PS printer driver to create a PS file, then > >move it to a Unix box and put it through ps2pdf > > Doesn't the latter just fire up Ghostscript with the right command line flags? > > I'm obsessed with a RISC OS only solution that uses the RISC OS port of GS4... GS on RiscOS doesn't output to pdf. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 22:09:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83867 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 22:09:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911505771:20:15235:15; Thu, 19 Nov 98 20:02:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107269; 19 Nov 98 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16274 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:47:57 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16269 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:47:45 GMT Received: (qmail 10003 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1998 19:48:30 -0000 Received: from 18-014.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.14) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 19:48:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:33:14 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Non-registration black/white Message-ID: <7d481da748%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello. I have a request for a feature. A while ago I had a problem with 'embedded commands' (intendd for ArcFax) being printed even though they were in a 'Transparent' style. That problem is solved - it was TurboDrivers using their own rendering systems. What I would really like to do is have an ink colour that shows up as black (or even bright green!) on the screen, but is printed as if it is invisible. In this way embedded commands could be easily edited and checked but I would not have to worry about turning them invisible before printing. At the moment I have to _know_ that there are embedded commands in a document in order to even attempt to find them and make them visible. This could be a real problem in the future since I use Impact to create letters, invoices etc, and other users of the system in the future may need this kind of visual help understanding and using embedded commands. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 22:10:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83870 for opro ; Thu, 19 Nov 98 22:09:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911510800:20:21581:28; Thu, 19 Nov 98 21:26:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114446; 19 Nov 98 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16582 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:12:17 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA16577 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:12:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.51.151] (helo=obanphys.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgbNl-00064L-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:12:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan H Partridge To: Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:12:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a79f3445perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. In-Reply-To: <48a72c7055stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48a72c7055stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk>, Stephen Brown wrote: > In article <003101be1284$0fe1ec80$8e3e883e@dial4227>, > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > There's even a copy of distiller with a web interface somewhere (I can't > > remember where - perhaps someone else can...) > I've just found a reference to this site from c.s.a.apps dated 13th July > 1998, the site in question is : http://www.babinszki.com/distiller/ > You are supposed to be able to upload postscript files, using ftp, to > ftp://ftp.babinszki.com/pub/distiller/INBOX/ and then collect them from > ftp://ftp.babinszki.com/pub/distiller/OUT/ a few minutes later. > The problem is, although I can view both the in box and out box using Acorns > Browse, I cannot get either sFTP or Voyager's FTP client to connect to this > site. Both ftp applications report that the address could not be resolved. ANT's FTP works and will connect to both INBOX and OUT, albeit very reluctantly at times. Unfortunately, I can't upload any files - the upload stalls after 32k every time. I've downloaded a file from the OUT directory and !pdf displays it OK. Alan. -- Alan H Partridge, Physics Department, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 01:47:20 1998 Return-path: Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.6] by pilling.demon.co.uk with smtp (ANTmail1.29b); id sm03afe8c; Fri, 20 Nov 98 01:47 +0000 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911526509:20:28029:21; Fri, 20 Nov 98 01:48:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027896; 20 Nov 98 1:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA17029 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:19:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA17024 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:19:36 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.241) [193.149.81.241] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zgfFK-00023T-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:20:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:18:11 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a7b5b6b1sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !Speak with OP In-Reply-To: <48a75d0078marteng@intonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro X-IS-UID: In article <48a75d0078marteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > > The problem is that it doesn't work despite doing this a while ago! Now > > I'm sure I remember that I have had it working previously - maybe with > > the original 1.46 I got(?) - but it has not worked for me as long as I > > can remember with more recent versions. Perhaps I should try with an > > earlier version to confirm this. I did post an article with the same > > problem a few weeks ago - but no response that worked. I've tried > > David's suggestion of a user macro with no success. > > Very strange as others seem to be using it successfully. > Have you got the JSDSpeak 'font' loaded? Yup! Cheers Steve -- .-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 14:08:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83898 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:08:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911534102:20:19612:15; Fri, 20 Nov 98 03:55:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019379; 20 Nov 98 3:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA17240 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:40:08 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA17235 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:39:56 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zghR7-0003Y2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:40:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 98 02:05:21 GMT Message-Id: <83892@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 1.51 --------------- I've made OvationPro 1.51 the official release version. No one has come up with any new bugs in 1.51 in the last couple of months... You can upgrade from the URL; http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade251/ SPrinter 1.01 ------------- This is a printer driver which renders to sprites. You can get it from the free software pages on my web sites (URL below). In the current context it provides a way of testing output without wasting paper. Unlike ArcFax it works in colour and at any resolution. It also provides a solution to the, 'I've got this image in a program and I want to turn it into a sprite' question. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 14:08:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83899 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:08:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911545373:10:16599:15; Fri, 20 Nov 98 07:02:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016522; 20 Nov 98 7:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA17409 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 06:49:12 GMT Received: from wws1.ww.co.nz (root@ww.co.nz [203.98.51.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA17404 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 06:48:59 GMT Received: from zed.ww.co.nz (max38.ww.co.nz [202.27.199.38]) by wws1.ww.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8RH) with SMTP id SAA05745 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:47:39 +1300 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:49:52 +1300 (BST) From: David Love Subject: !Expand applet To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently downloaded the !Expand applet and installed it by using !InstExpnd. Now, when OvnPro is loaded I get the error message: Error: Unknown identifier abbrev_find at line 29 in SCSI::Programmes.$.DTP.OvationPro.OvnPro.Applets. !Expand.Library.Expand. Line 29 reads: i=abbrev_find(Expand_Def,tag); Can someone tell me what this means and where I may have gone wrong. TIA David -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 14:08:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83901 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:08:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911551357:10:21959:16; Fri, 20 Nov 98 08:42:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021917; 20 Nov 98 8:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA17560 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:22:49 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17555 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:22:35 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.053 #2) id 0zglqj-0002Ks-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:23:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:23:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: !Expand applet To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 20 Nov, David Love wrote: > I have recently downloaded the !Expand applet and installed it by using > !InstExpnd. Now, when OvnPro is loaded I get the error message: > > Error: Unknown identifier abbrev_find at line 29 in > SCSI::Programmes.$.DTP.OvationPro.OvnPro.Applets. > !Expand.Library.Expand. > > Line 29 reads: i=abbrev_find(Expand_Def,tag); > > Can someone tell me what this means and where I may have gone wrong. > You have an old version of !Expand which relies on the !Abbrev applet being loaded too. Where did you get it from? The latest version is downloadable from my website; it doesn't require !Abbrev to be loaded. I think the confusion is probably my fault - the version numbers have gone awry. The actual version number is 2.10; but it announces itself as 2.01 to OP; and my website claims it's 1.20! Numbers? Feh! -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From musitech@voyager.co.nz Fri Nov 20 14:08:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83904 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:08:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911547099:20:07632:2; Fri, 20 Nov 98 07:31:39 GMT Received: from host02.net.voyager.co.nz ([203.21.30.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127698; 20 Nov 98 7:31 GMT Received: from musitech.voyager.co.nz (ba3p16.net.auckland.voyager.co.nz [203.98.38.208]) by host02.net.voyager.co.nz (8.8.8/8. Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:20:52 +0000 (GMT) From: John Orams Subject: Ovation Pro V2.51???? at 2am!!! To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Hi David Have just downloaded your 20 Nov message timed at 02:05:21!!! Is this why you've listed V1.51, when should it be V2.51? Or am I off beam? Keep up the good work; I'm really enjoying using OvPro Kind regards JohnO -- MusiTech Ltd 20 Poplar Rd Whangaparaoa 1463 NZ Email: musitech@voyager.co.nz Ph: +64 (0)21 643 177 From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 14:09:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83910 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:09:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911569698:10:09091:15; Fri, 20 Nov 98 13:48:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120494; 20 Nov 98 13:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA17958 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:24:08 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17953 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:23:53 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1/NLR 13/08/98) with SMTP id OAA25002; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:24:46 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:24:42 +0100 (GMT) From: "F.R.Polak" Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <83892@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 20 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > OvationPro 1.51 > --------------- > > I've made OvationPro 1.51 the official release version. No one has > come up with any new bugs in 1.51 in the last couple of months... > You can upgrade from the URL; > > http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade251/ > I guess you mean version 2.51 ;-) -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 14:46:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83929 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:46:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911571851:20:21532:16; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:24:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020602; 20 Nov 98 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA18108 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:54:57 GMT Received: from hades.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18102 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:54:44 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12455 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:49:39 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA05228; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:54:04 GMT Message-ID: <36557480.4D83EBC8@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:54:08 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ernst Dinkla wrote: > I have RiScript Pro, wonder what that will make of it. > But I don't have GhostScript. So if someone is willing to send a > GhostScript based PDF I will give it a try. I have a 600Kb example handy but that is probably a touch large for a simple test - I can mail it to you if you like! > What does the Acrobat Reader on other platforms with those files? The Acrobat reader on other platforms has displayed those files perfectly OK, so far, so I suspect it is !PDF. Have there been any sightings of Leo Smeirs recently? He hasn't updated !PDF at all recently or apparently replied to e-mails to him. Graham -- Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 14:46:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83931 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:46:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911571033:20:07155:15; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:10:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117272; 20 Nov 98 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA18041 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:45:05 GMT Received: from hades.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18036 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:44:52 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12392 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:39:57 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA04893; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:44:22 GMT Message-ID: <3655723B.4B9D26EC@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:44:27 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. References: <83860@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > I think in both cases the answer is HENSA. Try typing www.hensa.ac.uk > into a web browser and take it from there. (you want the micros > branch @ Lancaster). This is also correct, though the version of !PSUtils on Hensa has a few annoying things left in the Risc OS frontend which have since been improved. I am currently trying to work out what the best way is of distributing the most uptodate !PSUtils as well my RiscOS port of Ghostscript 5. Once I have done that I'll post another message. Graham -- Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 16:52:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83934 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:52:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911575133:20:17725:25; Fri, 20 Nov 98 15:18:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116525; 20 Nov 98 15:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA18489 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:47:21 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18484 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:47:09 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgrqt-0001y6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:48:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:17:00 GMT Message-Id: <83911@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes, yes, I got it wrong OvationPro 2.51 and not 1.51 is what I should have said. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 16:52:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83938 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:52:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911576028:10:25450:15; Fri, 20 Nov 98 15:33:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024740; 20 Nov 98 15:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA18548 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:03:38 GMT Received: from metis.salford.ac.uk (metis.salford.ac.uk [146.87.232.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA18543 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:03:25 GMT Received: (qmail 10152 invoked by alias); 20 Nov 1998 15:04:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19981120150423.10151.qmail@metis.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 10146 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1998 15:04:23 -0000 Received: from brindley-056.salford.ac.uk (HELO Unknown) (146.87.16.56) by metis.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 20 Nov 1998 15:04:23 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Roger Darlington" Organization: University of Salford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:06:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Overflow X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > > >I thought that I had persuaded David some years ago to make it ALWAYS > >print through the very different path, as this would seem to solve > >the major problems you describe (and others like them) which otherwise > >seem impossible to fix. > > > NO! NO! NO! > > You don't know what you're saying. There are three different cases when an > image is rendered. > > (1) non rotated image in a rectangular frame > (2) rotated image in a rectangular frame > (3) image in a rotated or irregular frame > > What you are refering to is the difference between (1) and (2) when the > image happens to be a sprite. It's true that originally I used different > code for these two cases, and it turned out the code for (1) although faster was > not accurate enough, and I changed it. > > What the current discussion is about is the difference between (2) and (3) > for any type of image, sprite or Draw file or anything. > > In case anyone wonders why a rotated rectangular frame gets promoted to > being called irregular, its all because RISC OS only provides non-rotated > rectangular clipping of graphics. > > There are a few more paths through the code e.g. output to PostScript (where > you can clip to an irregular path), the case with a rotated rectangular frame > where the image fits inside a non-rotated rectangle which in turn fits inside > the rotated frame. > Sorry - I stand corrected - it appears that I seldom do know what I am talking about - as far as I knew - there were only two print paths, but now I see there really are three - or perhaps even more if I bothered to look (if I knew how). Cheers Roger R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk A 276MHz StrongARM RiscPC in 1200 by 1600 graphics at home for real work An 30MHz 80486 PC plod in 640 x 512 graphics at work for .... a long wait. Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 Remember - a proton is for life, not just for Christmas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 19:41:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83947 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 19:41:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911584864:20:09583:27; Fri, 20 Nov 98 18:01:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009477; 20 Nov 98 18:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA18921 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:41:55 GMT Received: from wws1.ww.co.nz (root@ww.co.nz [203.98.51.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18916 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:41:42 GMT Received: from zed.ww.co.nz (max34.ww.co.nz [202.27.199.34]) by wws1.ww.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8RH) with SMTP id FAA13477 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 05:40:33 +1300 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 06:42:38 +1300 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: !Expand applet To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 20 Nov, Rupert Thompson wrote: > On Fri 20 Nov, David Love wrote: > > I have recently downloaded the !Expand applet and installed it by using > > !InstExpnd. Now, when OvnPro is loaded I get the error message: > > > > Error: Unknown identifier abbrev_find at line 29 in > > SCSI::Programmes.$.DTP.OvationPro.OvnPro.Applets. > > !Expand.Library.Expand. > > You have an old version of !Expand which relies on the !Abbrev applet > being loaded too. Where did you get it from? Downloaded from http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > The latest version is downloadable from my website; it doesn't require > !Abbrev to be loaded. Cannot access at present. Get the no data could be fetched from this URL message. Are there limited hours? > I think the confusion is probably my fault - the version numbers have > gone awry. The actual version number is 2.10; but it announces itself as > 2.01 to OP; and my website claims it's 1.20! Numbers? Feh! According to the Info file within !Expand I have majorversion:2, minorversion:1. Confusion reigns in my mind :-) David PS If I removed line 29, would this solve the problem or lead to further errors? Note: I know nothing whatsoever about programming :-( -- Editor of ARMed, the newsletter of Acorn Users Auckland Inc., and proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 19:41:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83949 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 19:41:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911586056:10:16858:22; Fri, 20 Nov 98 18:20:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108014; 20 Nov 98 18:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA19072 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:06:15 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19065 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:06:02 GMT Received: from [158.152.66.67] (helo=tdesign.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zguxQ-0002hV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:07:01 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by tdesign.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:07:46 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:07:37 +0000 From: Richard Benjamin To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Non-registration black/white Message-ID: <412112a848%OvationPro@tdesign.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7d481da748%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> X-Organization: TDC X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <7d481da748%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> you wrote: > Hello. > > I have a request for a feature. > > A while ago I had a problem with 'embedded commands' (intendd for ArcFax) > being printed even though they were in a 'Transparent' style. That problem is > solved - it was TurboDrivers using their own rendering systems. > > What I would really like to do is have an ink colour that shows up as black > (or even bright green!) on the screen, but is printed as if it is invisible. > > In this way embedded commands could be easily edited and checked but I would > not have to worry about turning them invisible before printing. > > At the moment I have to _know_ that there are embedded commands in a document > in order to even attempt to find them and make them visible. This could be a > real problem in the future since I use Impact to create letters, invoices > etc, and other users of the system in the future may need this kind of visual > help understanding and using embedded commands. > > > > Brian. > I havnt tried it (except for accidentally :-) but how about putting the commands in the printer's unprintable margin ? -- Richard Benjamin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 19:41:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83951 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 19:41:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911590910:20:28176:15; Fri, 20 Nov 98 19:41:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120990; 20 Nov 98 19:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20121 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:26:24 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20111 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:25:58 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgwCn-00000Z-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:26:57 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:26:46 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:25:17 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <6a3d19a848%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <83892@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <83892@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > OvationPro 1.51 > --------------- > > I've made OvationPro 1.51 the official release version. No one has > come up with any new bugs in 1.51 in the last couple of months... > You can upgrade from the URL; > > http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade251/ > > > > SPrinter 1.01 > ------------- > > This is a printer driver which renders to sprites. You can get it > from the free software pages on my web sites (URL below). > > In the current context it provides a way of testing output without wasting > paper. Unlike ArcFax it works in colour and at any resolution. It also > provides a solution to the, 'I've got this image in a program and I want to > turn it into a sprite' question. > Neat! Just what I was needing this evening. I was using Ghostscript to view my attempts at printing the same A5 page 4 times on A3 'paper' using the Thumbnail option at 100%. On one occasion, using a high res A4 image in OP I created a 496mb postscript file! Needless to say I didn't bother putting it through Ghostscript. This new app will make this process much quicker and easier. Thanks. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 21:10:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83959 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 21:10:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911592016:20:19001:24; Fri, 20 Nov 98 20:00:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114713; 20 Nov 98 19:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20334 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:43:30 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA20329 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:43:13 GMT Received: (qmail 29784 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1998 19:44:11 -0000 Received: from 18-247.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.247) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 1998 19:44:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:42:03 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Non-registration black/white Message-ID: <214815a848%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <412112a848%OvationPro@tdesign.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > > > What I would really like to do is have an ink colour that shows up as black > > (or even bright green!) on the screen, but is printed as if it is invisible. > > I havnt tried it (except for accidentally :-) but how about putting the > commands in the printer's unprintable margin ? > .......Stunningly simple.....and brilliant. I havn't tested it yet but it sounds very promising, although I would still be interested in non-printing ink so that things can be positioned convieniently. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 22:39:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83968 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 22:39:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911597010:10:26358:17; Fri, 20 Nov 98 21:23:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116892; 20 Nov 98 21:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21324 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:11:20 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21318 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:11:03 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgxqV-0004Uz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:12:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 98 19:58:24 GMT Message-Id: <83957@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Web publishing (was News) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Neat! Just what I was needing this evening. I was using Ghostscript >to view my attempts at printing the same A5 page 4 times on A3 'paper' >using the Thumbnail option at 100%. On one occasion, using a high Going back to how to put your thesis on the web... This raises a couple of other ideas. Firstly why not just stick it up there in PostScript form, as many people do. PS is much akin to PDF. And secondly, yes of course GS is a way of converting things to bit maps. So you could use it to produce your document as a CCITT 3 TIFF file (highly compressed black and white bit map). Again this is common for web documents. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 22:39:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83971 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 22:39:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911599108:20:02157:15; Fri, 20 Nov 98 21:58:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116480; 20 Nov 98 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21761 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:45:48 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21756 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:45:28 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:46:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: OvationPro User Group Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:46:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a82624bdC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !Expand applet In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Love wrote: > On Fri 20 Nov, Rupert Thompson wrote: > > You have an old version of !Expand which relies on the !Abbrev > > applet being loaded too. Where did you get it from? > Downloaded from http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Sorry about that chaps - I thought I was up to date on all Rupert's applets. I have now downloaded the latest version and it is on my site. > > The latest version is downloadable from my website; it doesn't > > require !Abbrev to be loaded. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 22:39:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83973 for opro ; Fri, 20 Nov 98 22:39:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911596321:20:14240:15; Fri, 20 Nov 98 21:12:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119231; 20 Nov 98 21:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA21113 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:52:06 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21107 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:51:49 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-50.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.181] with SMTP for id VAA22624 (8.8.8/1.10); Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:48 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:42:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3655723B.4B9D26EC@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Adobe is developing a new DTP program, meant to be the Quark killer. Might be called InDesign. Doesn't have a native fileformat but uses PDF instead !!! Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net All views expressed are my own and may have no relation whatsoever to the views of Acorn, Intel, Tulip, IBM, ARM, Sun, Compaq, Micro- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 01:58:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83976 for opro ; Sat, 21 Nov 98 01:58:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911602444:20:01557:15; Fri, 20 Nov 98 22:54:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123193; 20 Nov 98 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA22318 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:40:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22313 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:40:43 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgzF6-000588-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:41:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 98 21:29:29 GMT Message-Id: <83966@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Non-registration black/white X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I havnt tried it (except for accidentally :-) but how about putting the >> commands in the printer's unprintable margin ? >I havn't tested it yet but it sounds very promising, although I would still >be interested in non-printing ink so that things can be positioned convieniently. I think you'll find it won't work. Lots of programmers will have spent time ensuring that anything which is not going to appear on the final printout, will not be rendered. And if the string is not sent to the font manager, ArcFax won't pick it up. The idea of an ink which appears on screen, but not on printouts is a good one. It's something which should have been in the program. However you do have the problem that theres no such thing as an invisible or transparent ink for the font manager. So such transparent on print inks would have to not render when printing. Which again could be handy for many things, but no use for ArcFax. There will be a trick like have your {FaxTo: } at the end of a line which starts with lots of spaces, the spaces inside the print margin and the {FaxTo } outside it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 01:58:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA83979 for opro ; Sat, 21 Nov 98 01:58:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911610633:20:13565:16; Sat, 21 Nov 98 01:10:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101973; 21 Nov 98 1:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA23109 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:41:59 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA23100 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:41:29 GMT Received: (qmail 7146 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1998 00:42:29 -0000 Received: from 18-138.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.138) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1998 00:42:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:20:30 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Non-registration black/white Message-ID: <5dc62ea848%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <83966@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <83966@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >> I havnt tried it (except for accidentally :-) but how about putting the > >> commands in the printer's unprintable margin ? > >I havn't tested it yet but it sounds very promising, although I would still > >be interested in non-printing ink so that things can be positioned convieniently. > > I think you'll find it won't work. Lots of programmers will have spent > time ensuring that anything which is not going to appear on the final > printout, will not be rendered. And if the string is not sent to > the font manager, ArcFax won't pick it up. So that's how you do it! > > The idea of an ink which appears on screen, but not on printouts is a good one. > It's something which should have been in the program. > > However you do have the problem that theres no such thing as an invisible > or transparent ink for the font manager. So such transparent on print inks > would have to not render when printing. Which again could be handy for many > things, but no use for ArcFax. > I don't quite understand the technical (behind the scenes) difficulty in impliementing it... if I use white or transaparent to hide the command on screen it still gets intercepted by ArcFax when it is printed! Since that is the case this supposed ink could be called 'Magic' and would be white/transparent in the same way, but OvationPro intersepts ink with the name 'Magic' and makes sure it is send to the display renderer as... Bright Blue with pink spots... whatever... Is that really difficult to do? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 14:49:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84002 for opro ; Sat, 21 Nov 98 14:49:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911652119:20:19325:16; Sat, 21 Nov 98 12:41:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019282; 21 Nov 98 12:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA28135 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:30:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA28130 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:29:44 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.171) [194.69.101.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zhCBg-0002pA-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:30:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Torrens) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 08:54:29 +0000 X-Organization: qd, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Non-registration black/white Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 21 Nov 98 (02:24:58), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > Really there are two things, one is you'd like a colour that > doesn't print. No problem. The other thing is you'd like a colour > that does print but which you can't see. The second is just > for the sake of ArcFax. Might it be easier to fudge a font size? Zero point is taken as 1 point so could be used, but you'd have to be able to set a 'size for display' and use the zero point for printing. So how about using a negative point size? I actually use PipeDream for faxing and use 1 point, but hide it behind a black object. The same trick would work in OPro. However in PD you can edit it easily since when the caret is in it it is displayed at the overall document text size. OPro is a little bit clevered so defeats this one! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use an Acorn RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 14:49:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84004 for opro ; Sat, 21 Nov 98 14:49:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911654969:20:03695:15; Sat, 21 Nov 98 13:29:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003302; 21 Nov 98 13:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28394 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:12:00 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28389 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:11:42 GMT Received: from [158.152.51.151] (helo=obanphys.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhCqJ-0001dr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:12:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan H Partridge To: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:06:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a87a6af8perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. In-Reply-To: <48a72c7055stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48a72c7055stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk>, Stephen Brown wrote: > In article <003101be1284$0fe1ec80$8e3e883e@dial4227>, > Nick Kaijaks wrote: [snip] > > There's even a copy of distiller with a web interface somewhere (I can't > > remember where - perhaps someone else can...) > I've just found a reference to this site from c.s.a.apps dated 13th July > 1998, the site in question is : http://www.babinszki.com/distiller/ > You are supposed to be able to upload postscript files, using ftp, to > ftp://ftp.babinszki.com/pub/distiller/INBOX/ and then collect them from > ftp://ftp.babinszki.com/pub/distiller/OUT/ a few minutes later. [snip] This works. It's painfully slow during US working day, but I've just tried it again (early a.m., Saturday in the US) and the uploading and downloading were very quick; the actual processing seems to take only a minute or two (the Web page says three minutes). If anyone's interested the zipped output can be found at http://www.obanphys.demon.co.uk/misc/pp13.zip It's a couple of pages from a student report and includes pictures. (These are actually in colour, but I forgot to turn on colour output when creating the postscript file). Alan. -- Alan H Partridge, Physics Department, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 16:36:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84012 for opro ; Sat, 21 Nov 98 16:36:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911660609:20:00292:15; Sat, 21 Nov 98 15:03:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029787; 21 Nov 98 15:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA28811 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:44:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28806 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:43:55 GMT Received: from [158.152.51.151] (helo=obanphys.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhEHV-00065p-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:45:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan H Partridge To: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:57:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a87f0eecperdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. In-Reply-To: <48a87a6af8perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I wrote: [snip] > If anyone's interested the zipped output can be found at > http://www.obanphys.demon.co.uk/misc/pp13.zip > It's a couple of pages from a student report and includes pictures. (These > are actually in colour, but I forgot to turn on colour output when creating > the postscript file). Spoke too soon. I've just looked at the pictures on the second page and they haven't been processed correctly. I haven't a postscript printer and therefore can't look at the output from the printer driver to see whether the problem is there or with Distiller's creation of the pdf file. Any ideas anyone? Sorry if this drifting away from OvPro, but I like the idea of making OvPro reports/worksheets available to Physics teachers using other platforms and would like to get this working properly. Alan. -- Alan H Partridge, Physics Department, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 17:38:04 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84020 for opro ; Sat, 21 Nov 98 17:38:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911668785:20:04844:18; Sat, 21 Nov 98 17:19:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004791; 21 Nov 98 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA29120 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:55:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA29115 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:54:59 GMT Received: from (193.149.76.243) [193.149.76.243] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zhFOK-0005SW-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:56:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:48:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a8894373steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10a for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Master pages Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello All Thanks for the help so far. I have now managed, following the instructions to set up a master page that gives me what I want on page 1 and page 2, however when my document goes to page 3, OP puts that page onto the first page in the master pages, if that makes sense. How can I get it to put all subsequent pages onto the same styl of page as page 2. I hope this is clear, and soneone can help. Thanks Steve -- Some like it HOT I like mine COOL _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 17:38:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84021 for opro ; Sat, 21 Nov 98 17:38:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911617743:10:05745:15; Sat, 21 Nov 98 03:09:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005697; 21 Nov 98 3:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA24031 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:43:54 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24026 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:43:34 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zh32J-0004fE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:44:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 98 02:24:58 GMT Message-Id: <83993@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Non-registration black/white X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I don't quite understand the technical (behind the scenes) difficulty in >impliementing it... if I use white or transaparent to hide the command on >screen it still gets intercepted by ArcFax when it is printed! Thats because transparent is implemented wrongly. If some text is in transparent ink, then it should never be rendered. If it is never rendered then it never reaches the font manager. This stuff was the cause of a few disasterous problems with colour separations, where it is now fixed. White would be fair enough, but thats a bit soft because someone would say "what if the background isn't white". Perhaps it could set the foreground to the background for printing, that would give lots of choices. Really there are two things, one is you'd like a colour that doesn't print. No problem. The other thing is you'd like a colour that does print but which you can't see. The second is just for the sake of ArcFax. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 17:38:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84023 for opro ; Sat, 21 Nov 98 17:38:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911637062:10:23159:15; Sat, 21 Nov 98 08:31:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023137; 21 Nov 98 8:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA27002 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 08:19:16 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (root@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA26997 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 08:18:45 GMT Received: from mbax8ss2 (pm1-24.mcc.ac.uk [194.66.22.24]) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07944 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 08:24:09 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:54:31 +0000 From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <5ce726a848%sams@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <83911@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Computer Writer, Techie and CS Student X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, SPrint is wonderful. Thank you very kindly for writing it And a word of warning to everyone - it produces large files if you have it set on 360x360 dpi - 178+ Mb for a 4 page document. Regards and thanks again Sam -- Sam Smith Admin, Friends Spoiler List <> Columnist, Archive Magazine mailto:sams@techie.com : http://www.man.compsoc.org.uk/~sams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 22 00:19:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84057 for opro ; Sun, 22 Nov 98 00:19:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911692980:20:15829:17; Sun, 22 Nov 98 00:03:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015737; 22 Nov 98 0:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA30678 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:51:41 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA30670 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:51:14 GMT Received: (qmail 1819 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1998 23:52:28 -0000 Received: from 18-234.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.234) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1998 23:52:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:14:07 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Search/Replace macros Message-ID: <08ca1a848%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there a way of using things like {newpage} in the find and replace dialogue? One particular need is to replace {newpara}{newpara} with a {newpage} for making address labels out of a list of addresses. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Nov 22 00:19:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84058 for opro ; Sun, 22 Nov 98 00:19:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911692983:20:15866:15; Sun, 22 Nov 98 00:03:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111980; 22 Nov 98 0:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA30677 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:51:38 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA30666 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:51:12 GMT Received: (qmail 1815 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1998 23:52:25 -0000 Received: from 18-234.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.234) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1998 23:52:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:52:42 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <741b8fa848%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48a8894373steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48a8894373steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> Steve wrote: > Hello All > > Thanks for the help so far. > > I have now managed, following the instructions to set up a master page > that gives me what I want on page 1 and page 2, however when my document > goes to page 3, OP puts that page onto the first page in the master pages, > if that makes sense. > > How can I get it to put all subsequent pages onto the same styl of page as > page 2. > I missed the start of this thread, I assume you are trying to produce headed paper and continuation sheets so that only the first page contains a full header/footer and all subsequent pages just show a minimal header. I have done this by defining the continuation sheets in the master pages then using a local frame in the document to block out the continuation header and replace it with the main header (I also ad a footer). Since the frame is local it is never used again on any other page. There is a disadvantage with this: the document cannot be saved as a 'Stylesheet' without loosing the main header. I wonder if this is an important enough need for it to be given a first page/other pages feature in the master page definitions area? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:11:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84070 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:11:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911695396:20:21777:15; Sun, 22 Nov 98 00:43:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021699; 22 Nov 98 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA30994 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:30:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA30989 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:30:42 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhNRT-0004u7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:31:55 +0000 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 98 00:20:25 GMT Message-Id: <84059@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search/Replace macros X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a way of using things like {newpage} in the find and replace >dialogue? Nope. >One particular need is to replace {newpara}{newpara} with a {newpage} for >making address labels out of a list of addresses. Well... I had to look at the source code, seemingly, there is a wildcard which does not appear in the find dbox when you expand it, for new page. So all you do is enter \n\n in find, and \p in replace. Where back slash p is the wild card for new page. Actually saving the document as DDL, would let Edit make easy meat of doing what you want to do. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:11:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84071 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:11:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911711748:20:11697:15; Sun, 22 Nov 98 05:15:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129480; 22 Nov 98 5:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA31703 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:59:08 GMT Received: from wws1.ww.co.nz (root@ww.co.nz [203.98.51.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA31698 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:58:45 GMT Received: from zed.ww.co.nz (max38.ww.co.nz [202.27.199.38]) by wws1.ww.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8RH) with SMTP id QAA04476 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:57:59 +1300 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:18:12 +1300 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Why so slow? To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently upgraded to v2.51 and until today everything was fine. Now I am experiencing a slowness of response that is difficult to believe, plus other unexplainable errors. Trying any of the following results in a freeze of the screen, together with vanishing text for several seconds before anything happens. Placing the cursor alongside text to move it down a distance and hitting Return. Selecting text and selecting the menu to change a font. Selecting text and selecting the menu to change a font size Selecting text to Copy and Paste Selecting text to Cut and Paste Selecting a frame to Cut and Paste Scrolling the screen In some instances the text has disappeared, only to reappear some minutes later, after additional text has been typed. I have carried out a virus check with VZap, which reports that the IMAGE Virus could be in the following Applets - ApplStore: !Arrange, !ColSupp, !Grabber, !Impulse, !OArtWrks, !OCharges, !OPCA, !Ovation1, !PrePress. As these were downloaded from a recognized site, it would not seem possible. I feel certain that if others had found viruses in these applets they would have reported them. Apart from the fact that !OPCA isn't in with the Applets, I removed the offending ones and ran !VZap again, with the result that no viruses were reported. However, running OvationPro resulted in no difference. It is still much slower than normal Before I send copies of applets to Paul Vigay for examination, I seek the advice of the Group. BTW, this problem of slowness only appears to be with OvationPro. I have run !Publisher, !Eureka, !SBase, !Impact, !PhotoDesk. !TableMate3, !Prophet2. The response is normal in each of these applications. Any help would be appreciated. David -- Editor of ARMed, the newsletter of Acorn Users Auckland Inc., and proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:11:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84073 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:11:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911723847:20:13280:18; Sun, 22 Nov 98 08:37:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013200; 22 Nov 98 8:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA30727 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:54:16 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA30709 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:53:38 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhMrc-0002pg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:54:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 98 23:34:20 GMT Message-Id: <84043@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Imposition X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro (forwarded from the old list address) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:22:08 +0000 From: Alan Muscat Could someone remind of where doing impostion with OP is documented. Cheers -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:11:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84075 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:11:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911729830:20:10741:15; Sun, 22 Nov 98 10:17:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129299; 22 Nov 98 10:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA32402 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:24:40 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA32395 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:24:06 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.120) [194.69.101.120] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zhVll-0000vN-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:25:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:11:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a8e8b944df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Master pages In-Reply-To: <741b8fa848%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Steve wrote: > > Hello All > > > > Thanks for the help so far. > > > > I have now managed, following the instructions to set up a master page > > that gives me what I want on page 1 and page 2, however when my > > document goes to page 3, OP puts that page onto the first page in the > > master pages, if that makes sense. > > > > How can I get it to put all subsequent pages onto the same styl of > > page as page 2. I've sent a private email to Steve, suggesting how I overcame this problem. I needed to send an email, as it also had an attachment illustrating the to do... Minus attachment, obviously, the gist of my note... might be useful to our fellow (no gender implied) OVPro users, is posted below. Hi Steve... This is a bone of contention (1), I voiced with Beebug very early on in the OVPro release cycle regarding their ideas about master pages. After a discussion with John Wallace, the following solution was devised. Create the basic master page with a page number or whatever footer. DON'T put any logo or header on this master page.(2) Close the master page. Create your Logo or whatever in a local frame/s on the front of the document. Save... but *NOT* as a Style sheet... in other words Save as a document, but use this as a template, put inside the stationery (Statnry) Applet. When loaded the template document will present itself with header/logo on page one... when that's filled, text flow will create page two minus local framed header/logo... Hope this helps... Cheers Dave S Ps: (1) In fairness I must say, Mr Pilling has of course now sorted many of the initial grumpies we had with the first release of OvPro. Ps: (2) Of course... if you want an ordinary type header to appear on pages two and on... then you can create it as usual in the master page, but cover it on the first page of the actual document as noted above. D. -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:12:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84079 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:12:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911760326:10:08042:15; Sun, 22 Nov 98 18:45:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120782; 22 Nov 98 18:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00574 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:35:22 GMT Received: from hercules.telenet-ops.be (hercules.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00569 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:35:08 GMT Received: from pandora.be ([195.130.146.40]) by hercules.telenet-ops.be (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA5D39 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:36:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:36:09 +0100 Message-ID: <48a91c69f7jdp@pandora.be> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Colour Supplement In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Richard Chiswell wrote: > Where can I get a copy of the Colour Supplement for OvationPro? I > haven't been able to find a copy or a reference of it on either the > Beebug website or the price list... In the original release (1.46) the Colour Supplement is on a disc of it's own. For the latest version, look on the Beebug website: Software > Ovation Pro > Upgrades > Upgrade Colour Supplement This is a upgrade from 1.00 to 1.04 Jan. -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:12:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84081 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:12:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911765312:10:10110:19; Sun, 22 Nov 98 20:08:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126581; 22 Nov 98 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00757 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:51:48 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00752 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:51:36 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhfZ6-0002Ob-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:53:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:09:01 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Delete/Copy keys To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Does anyone else have the same problem with OPro version 2.51: Type in something. Place caret at end. Delete using delete key. Works OK. Now do the same, but place caret at end, and press COPY key. It does the same thing, instead of deleting forwards! What a pain- I am pretty sure this did not happen in other versions! Any suggestions/solutions welcomed. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:12:26 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84088 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:12:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911752842:20:22714:15; Sun, 22 Nov 98 16:40:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022384; 22 Nov 98 16:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA00260 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:27:47 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (sams@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA00250 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:27:29 GMT Received: from localhost (sams@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12956; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:33:12 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:33:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Sam Smith To: David Love cc: OvationPro User Group Subject: Re: Why so slow? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > BTW, this problem of slowness only appears to be with OvationPro. I > have run !Publisher, !Eureka, !SBase, !Impact, !PhotoDesk. !TableMate3, > !Prophet2. The response is normal in each of these applications. Removing !Publisher should solve the problem. I have a similar thing, and things slow down dramatically when both OPro and ImpPub are running. Quitting both Ovation and Publisher is needed to solve the problem. Then reloading either one on its own will run that at full speed. I think it is a clash between OPro and Impression somewhere. I don't think it happens with !Style. Regards Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:12:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84087 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:12:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911799239:10:16468:15; Mon, 23 Nov 98 05:33:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118230; 23 Nov 98 5:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA01564 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 05:22:58 GMT Received: from wws1.ww.co.nz (root@ww.co.nz [203.98.51.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA01559 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 05:22:42 GMT Received: from zed.ww.co.nz (max32.ww.co.nz [202.27.199.32]) by wws1.ww.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8RH) with SMTP id RAA24155 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:20:55 +1300 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:24:35 +1300 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: Why so slow? To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 22 Nov, David Love wrote: > I have recently upgraded to v2.51 and until today everything was fine. > Now I am experiencing a slowness of response that is difficult to > believe, plus other unexplainable errors. > [VERY LARGE SNIP] Sorry to answer my own query but I think (fingers crossed) I've solved the problem. The culprit was a text file which I had dragged into OvnPro. For some reason, if I just drag and drop the saved text file straight into OvnPro everything comes a a grinding halt while OvnPro is considering what to do with it. And from then on the response to any keypress is abysmally slow. But, when I open the file, select the text and drag the selection to OvnPro, all is well and, I hope will continue to be so. Now, can anyone tell me why this is? I will be dropping an email to Guttorm Vik for his comments. David -- Editor of ARMed, the newsletter of Acorn Users Auckland Inc., and proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:12:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84090 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:12:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911812221:10:01246:15; Mon, 23 Nov 98 09:10:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001134; 23 Nov 98 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA01758 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:56:18 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA01753 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:56:02 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-114.access.ch [195.112.70.114]) by mail.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.08pri) id JAA05619 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:56:03 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:50:28 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Why so slow? To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 23 Nov, David Love wrote: > On Sun 22 Nov, David Love wrote: > > I have recently upgraded to v2.51 and until today everything was fine. > > Now I am experiencing a slowness of response that is difficult to > > believe, plus other unexplainable errors. > > > [VERY LARGE SNIP] > > Sorry to answer my own query but I think (fingers crossed) I've solved > the problem. The culprit was a text file which I had dragged into > OvnPro. snip Do a spellcheck on the file you dragged into OP. That way you might discover some unvisible tokens, between words or even within words. Clearly visible because the "word" being checked is in reverse print. Leave the spellchecker and place the caret at the end of the reverse print. Press the right cursor until the caret does go past the next visible alphanumeric. If you pressed more than once you know that there are invisible/spaceless tokens. Delete these with . Check with the left cursor key as well. This should cure the problem as it did for me. I have no idea how these invisible tokens get in these files. It could possibly be a bug in the filing system. Yesterday I tried copying a file to a new harddisc (5.4Gb). The end result was part of the text of 2 different files. Both nowhere near each other on the original harddisc. I must try to get RomPatch4 to cure the problem of the new harddisc. (Archive 12.3.71). Hope this helps John vV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:12:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84094 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:12:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911756168:20:06602:15; Sun, 22 Nov 98 17:36:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129962; 22 Nov 98 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00405 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:23:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00400 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:22:54 GMT Received: from [194.222.132.205] (helo=beebware.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhdFC-0001V5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:24:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:23:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Colour Supplement To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post does not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Warning-1: Sending mail to this address indicates acceptance of X-Warning-2: our Acceptable Use Policy which is on public display X-Warning-3: on our website and via our autoresponder. X-Autoresponder: info@beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Where can I get a copy of the Colour Supplement for OvationPro? I haven't been able to find a copy or a reference of it on either the Beebug website or the price list... Any help apprec. Richy C. -- ..sig wants to do funny things with piccies -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:13:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84102 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:13:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911831417:10:29681:18; Mon, 23 Nov 98 14:30:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029191; 23 Nov 98 14:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA02296 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:01:30 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02287 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:01:17 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1/NLR 13/08/98) with SMTP id PAA27688; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:01:24 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:01:18 +0100 (GMT) From: "F.R.Polak" Subject: Re: Delete/Copy keys To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 22 Nov, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Does anyone else have the same problem with OPro version 2.51: > Type in something. Place caret at end. Delete using delete key. Works OK. > > Now do the same, but place caret at end, and press COPY key. It does the > same thing, instead of deleting forwards! > > What a pain- I am pretty sure this did not happen in other versions! > You must have installed something funny. I experience no such problem with version 2.51 or any previous version. -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:13:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84105 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:13:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911778642:20:22941:17; Sun, 22 Nov 98 23:50:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104234; 22 Nov 98 23:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA01091 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:39:01 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01086 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:38:45 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhj6y-0005pw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:40:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:41:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a92269acdavid@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: v2.51 not Auto running !Macros ( I think) In-Reply-To: <48a8e8b944df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just upgraded to v2.51 ( following the instructions to the letter ) and all is well except that I keep getting the default set of buttons across the top of a page instead of the set residing in !Macros within AutoRun. If I run !Macros after I've loaded Ovation, the new set of buttons appears on the page, but it doesn't come up automatically. What have I done wrong ? Any help much appreciated. Oh, and how do I get a gap between sets of buttons, where the buttons already exist? The only reference I could find related to creating new buttons, and even then I didn't get an option to add a space as described in the manual.... Many thanks, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:14:02 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84112 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:13:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911830207:20:25154:15; Mon, 23 Nov 98 14:10:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118735; 23 Nov 98 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA02204 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:45:58 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02199 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:45:43 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:45:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro Support Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:44:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a9859069C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Delete/Copy keys In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Does anyone else have the same problem with OPro version 2.51: Type > in something. Place caret at end. Delete using delete key. Works > OK. > Now do the same, but place caret at end, and press COPY key. It > does the same thing, instead of deleting forwards! If the caret is in the body of the text then it works as expected. If the caret is at the *end* of the story, then it does indeed delete in the same way as the delete or backspace key. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:14:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84113 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 17:14:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911830689:20:04764:15; Mon, 23 Nov 98 14:18:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004192; 23 Nov 98 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA02243 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:54:05 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02237 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:53:54 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:53:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:53:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a9865889C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: v2.51 not Auto running !Macros ( I think) In-Reply-To: <48a92269acdavid@zephryus.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48a92269acdavid@zephryus.demon.co.uk>, David Robinson wrote: > I've just upgraded to v2.51 ( following the instructions to the > letter ) and all is well except that I keep getting the default set > of buttons across the top of a page instead of the set residing in > !Macros within AutoRun. > If I run !Macros after I've loaded Ovation, the new set of buttons > appears on the page, but it doesn't come up automatically. You may find some help in http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/hints.html#butmacro > Oh, and how do I get a gap between sets of buttons, where the > buttons already exist? The only reference I could find related to > creating new buttons, and even then I didn't get an option to add a > space as described in the manual.... Try http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/resources.html#TBarspace Regards Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 20:54:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84141 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 20:54:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911847704:10:25277:15; Mon, 23 Nov 98 19:01:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025177; 23 Nov 98 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02971 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:45:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02962 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:45:20 GMT Received: from (bw08.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.76.215] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zi0zI-0003sT-00; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:45:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:04:59 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a997e728stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Something Strange Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro After I'd hit the print button in the print dialogue window, I realised that I had forgotten to set up the print options correctly. So rather than wait until all the pages had been processed I pressed the escape key. A few seconds later this resulted in a small window opening with the following inside: Escape PM requested a014c in anonymous function [this was followed by a list of about 12 similar comments.] Pressing any key as requested switched the computer into a very strange wimpmode indeed. The screen was now coloured in a few shades of red with black rectangles where the icons should have been. The computer appeared to be working of a fashion, but it had slowed to an absolute crawl, and there was a lot of disc access. Windows and menus consisted simply of a thin black outline but there was no text what so ever. Obviously OP had crashed, but what on earth had it done to the desktop? This error is 100% repeatable on my machine and the only way of recovering it is to perform a CTRL break. I am using OP 2.51, Acorn Printers 1.54 and Window Manager 3.98 plus all the other latest modules that came with Acorns !Browse update. Steve. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ SA RISC PC, 18Mb. / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ ICQ#23427335 \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 20:54:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84143 for opro ; Mon, 23 Nov 98 20:54:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911846087:20:21671:17; Mon, 23 Nov 98 18:34:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021608; 23 Nov 98 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02831 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:11:54 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02826 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:11:40 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.053 #2) id 0zi0Sh-0003ha-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:11:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:12:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Delete/Copy keys To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 23 Nov, F.R.Polak wrote: > On Sun 22 Nov, P Hutton wrote: > > Dear all > > > > Does anyone else have the same problem with OPro version 2.51: > > Type in something. Place caret at end. Delete using delete key. Works OK. > > > > Now do the same, but place caret at end, and press COPY key. It does the > > same thing, instead of deleting forwards! > > > > What a pain- I am pretty sure this did not happen in other versions! > > > You must have installed something funny. I experience no such problem > with version 2.51 or any previous version. This appears to be caused by my Endnotes applet - but did not seem to happen with version 2.50 of OP (maybe I just never spotted it). I'll look into what Endnotes is doing and report back ... -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 01:51:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84172 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 01:51:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911858891:20:17565:19; Mon, 23 Nov 98 22:08:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017524; 23 Nov 98 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA03240 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:49:52 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA03235 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:49:37 GMT Received: from (193.149.91.85) [193.149.91.85] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zi3re-0000LG-00; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:49:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: Ovation Pro Support Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:49:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a9a701abdgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Delete/Copy keys In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 23 Nov, F.R.Polak wrote: > On Sun 22 Nov, P Hutton wrote: > > Does anyone else have the same problem with OPro version 2.51: > > Type in something. Place caret at end. Delete using delete key. > > Works > OK. > > > > Now do the same, but place caret at end, and press COPY key. It > > does the same thing, instead of deleting forwards! > > > > What a pain- I am pretty sure this did not happen in other > > versions! > > > You must have installed something funny. I experience no such > problem with version 2.51 or any previous version. It happens with me (2.50) and also happened with earlier versions. Since it only seems to happen at the very end of a document it isn't too much of a problem and I have just ignored it. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 01:52:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84175 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 01:52:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911871305:10:03871:16; Tue, 24 Nov 98 01:35:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102804; 24 Nov 98 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA03713 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:07:36 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03705 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:07:04 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zi6wk-0000L3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:07:15 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:07:03 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:32:58 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. Message-ID: <19a2ca948%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Adobe is developing a new DTP program, meant to be the Quark killer. > Might be called InDesign. > Doesn't have a native fileformat but uses PDF instead !!! Making import and export of PDF on riscos potentially very important. But these pronoucenments often come to nothing, and may do if Quark buys out Adobe. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 01:52:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84177 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 01:52:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911872208:10:19688:15; Tue, 24 Nov 98 01:50:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115523; 24 Nov 98 1:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA03706 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:07:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03694 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:06:48 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zi6wV-0006Xu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:07:00 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:27:31 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:11:50 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Conversion of OP files. Message-ID: <68aa99a748%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <83860@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <83860@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >oooo... Where can I get GS 4 for Risc OS and V5 for the PC from please? > >Where can you get !PSutils from?? > > I think in both cases the answer is HENSA. Try typing www.hensa.ac.uk > into a web browser and take it from there. (you want the micros > branch @ Lancaster). > > GS4 and psutils are also available, direct dial from Arcade BBS (0181-654-2212). > I have put a set up and working copy of GS on my web space, including the fonts and GSView. I did this for people having trouble setting it up. One draw back: its at least 3mb in size. Takes approx. 35 mins to download. That's not much on a Saturday. Here's the url(I hope) www.gvine.demon.co.uk/Ghost.htm -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 01:52:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84181 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 01:52:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911865139:20:07260:15; Mon, 23 Nov 98 23:52:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107940; 23 Nov 98 23:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA03435 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:41:35 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA03430 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:41:21 GMT Received: (qmail 1066 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1998 23:41:29 -0000 Received: from 18-234.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.234) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 1998 23:41:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:49:03 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Something Strange Message-ID: <9deca6a948%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48a997e728stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48a997e728stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Stephen Brown wrote: > After I'd hit the print button in the print dialogue window, I realised that > I had forgotten to set up the print options correctly. So rather than wait > until all the pages had been processed I pressed the escape key. > [snip] > > This error is 100% repeatable on my machine and the only way of recovering it > is to perform a CTRL break. > > I am using OP 2.51, Acorn Printers 1.54 and Window Manager 3.98 plus all the > other latest modules that came with Acorns !Browse update. I had a 'complete lock up' requiring ctrl-break when I aborted a print to SPrinter. I thought it might be the SPrinter but your problem seems similar... although I didn't get the strange wimp mode you describe I got a blank error-type window which never went away. I'm using OP 2.50, Printers 1.53 and Window Manager 3.98 and modules as supplied with !Browse on RiscPC610 with RiscOS 3.50. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 01:52:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84182 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 01:52:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911865439:20:13224:15; Mon, 23 Nov 98 23:57:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114176; 23 Nov 98 23:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA03453 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:43:09 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03447 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:42:57 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zi5dM-0006Ft-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:43:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:46:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48a9b72c91david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: v2.51 not Auto running !Macros ( I think) In-Reply-To: <48a9865889C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48a9865889C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <48a92269acdavid@zephryus.demon.co.uk>, > David Robinson wrote: > > I've just upgraded to v2.51 ( following the instructions to the > > letter ) and all is well except that I keep getting the default set > > of buttons across the top of a page instead of the set residing in > > !Macros within AutoRun. > > If I run !Macros after I've loaded Ovation, the new set of buttons > > appears on the page, but it doesn't come up automatically. > You may find some help in > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/hints.html#butmacro > > Oh, and how do I get a gap between sets of buttons, where the > > buttons already exist? The only reference I could find related to > > creating new buttons, and even then I didn't get an option to add a > > space as described in the manual.... > Try > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/resources.html#TBarspace Many thanks Chris. The problem was with a renamed copy of the old !Macro's file, which I'd saved in case my newer version went wrong. Pretty obvious really I suppose when you think about it. So, anyone else out there who saves an old copy of !Macros, put it somewhere else! -- Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 03:43:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84193 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 03:43:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911872589:10:26462:15; Tue, 24 Nov 98 01:56:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120391; 24 Nov 98 1:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA03711 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:07:23 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03699 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:06:54 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zi6wa-0006YU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:07:05 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:27:40 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:27:13 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. Message-ID: <71132ca948%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3655723B.4B9D26EC@sharp.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3655723B.4B9D26EC@sharp.co.uk> you wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > I think in both cases the answer is HENSA. Try typing www.hensa.ac.uk > > into a web browser and take it from there. (you want the micros > > branch @ Lancaster). > > This is also correct, though the version of !PSUtils on Hensa has a few > annoying things left in the Risc OS frontend which have since been improved. > > I am currently trying to work out what the best way is of distributing the > most uptodate !PSUtils as well my RiscOS port of Ghostscript 5. Once I have > done that I'll post another message. Will GS5 have a front end? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 14:01:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84196 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 14:01:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911904644:20:01955:15; Tue, 24 Nov 98 10:50:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001658; 24 Nov 98 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA04318 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:25:30 GMT Received: from hades.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04313 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:25:17 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22542 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:19:37 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA16880; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:24:06 GMT Message-ID: <365A89A4.E95C4952@sharp.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:25:40 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. References: <71132ca948%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB04318 Alan Muscat wrote: > Will GS5 have a front end? It should work with GView, other than that there is no front end. There a= re some pre-defined aliases to do some useful things, like ps2pdf, ps2jpeg, ps2png, pdf2ps etc. Some more could be defined (perhaps ps2) since not everybody can handle PNG files at the moment. I was thinking of asking Martin W=FCrthner if he would consider enhancing GView to allow you to select the output file type - but I haven't done so yet. GS5 should be accessible shortly. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 14:01:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84202 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 14:01:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911909282:10:08394:15; Tue, 24 Nov 98 12:08:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008322; 24 Nov 98 12:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04535 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:37:47 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04530 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:37:31 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J4JVRNDJS200W75R@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:33:57 GMT +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:29:52 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files - Use EW/TWPro In-reply-to: <48a67f39e7stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <1e8d2aa48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello I've got an idea, which i didn't notice here. So when it is already said: sorry, if not: listen. Yesterday i saw that Tech/EasyWriterPro 5 can import Impression DDF. Why not try to get EW/TWPro im/exporting OvP DDL? I've already send a mail to Iconsupport with the same question. When EW/TWPro can import/export OvP we can export OvP to word, TeX, HTMl and postcript. Or turn it the other way around, let OvP im/export to EW/TWPro It is just an idea, i don't know if it is possible and so on. greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 14:40:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84212 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 14:40:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911916866:10:25757:15; Tue, 24 Nov 98 14:14:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025677; 24 Nov 98 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA04803 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:52:07 GMT Received: from mrimpossible.compsoc.man.ac.uk (mrimpossible.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04798 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:51:55 GMT Received: from localhost (sams@localhost) by mrimpossible.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00889 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:45:32 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:45:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files - Use EW/TWPro In-Reply-To: <1e8d2aa48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > I've got an idea, which i didn't notice here. So when it is already said: > sorry, if not: listen. > Yesterday i saw that Tech/EasyWriterPro 5 can import Impression DDF. Why > not try to get EW/TWPro im/exporting OvP DDL? I've already send a mail to > Iconsupport with the same question. When EW/TWPro can import/export OvP we > can export OvP to word, TeX, HTMl and postcript. > > Or turn it the other way around, let OvP im/export to EW/TWPro Icon have (completely unoffically) suggested that the reaosn that they haven't implement OPro support is becuase OPro has RTF support (allegedly), and EWpro/TWpro can do RTF. It would make getting OPro stuff out to less discerning computer users much easier. Maybe if more people asked for it, they would include it. Regards Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 16:56:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84215 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 16:56:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911924559:20:12549:18; Tue, 24 Nov 98 16:22:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012149; 24 Nov 98 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05337 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:43:41 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05332 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:43:29 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-97.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.97]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA29641 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:43:47 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:31:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files - Use EW/TWPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <1e8d2aa48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 24 Nov, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Hello > > I've got an idea, which i didn't notice here. So when it is already said: > sorry, if not: listen. > Yesterday i saw that Tech/EasyWriterPro 5 can import Impression DDF. Why > not try to get EW/TWPro im/exporting OvP DDL? I've already send a mail to > Iconsupport with the same question. When EW/TWPro can import/export OvP we > can export OvP to word, TeX, HTMl and postcript. > > Or turn it the other way around, let OvP im/export to EW/TWPro > At this rate, there won't be many dtp / wp applications I don't have! Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 16:57:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84225 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 16:57:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911926526:10:11034:15; Tue, 24 Nov 98 16:55:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010909; 24 Nov 98 16:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA05403 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:18:01 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05398 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:17:50 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:17:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:06:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48aa1664e0C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Calendar document template Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro It appears the zip file containing the Calendar template, which has been on my site for several weeks, was corrupted. I have now fixed this (Roger King kindly sent another copy of the readme file in the zip, since every copy of the file I had was corrupted!). Anyway, I have just downloaded the zip file and all seems ok now. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 19:22:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84248 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 19:22:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911929809:10:18681:20; Tue, 24 Nov 98 17:50:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018459; 24 Nov 98 17:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA05564 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:11:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05558 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:11:47 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0ziM0V-0004aJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:12:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 98 17:02:13 GMT Message-Id: <84228@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Imposition X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro (forwarded from my personal email address...) From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" Subject: RE: Imposition from memory, a 95% accurate story is in the supplementary handout (A5) given with ?some upgrade?, e.g the one first involving the new colour supplement and covereing various 'big' applets?? This is a difficult thing to document, but I think these scrolls made a good stab. Christopher I Howe Lucent, Malmesbury UK > ---------- > From: david@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 21 November 1998 23:34 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Imposition > > > (forwarded from the old list address) > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:22:08 +0000 > From: Alan Muscat > > > Could someone remind of where doing impostion > with OP is documented. > > Cheers > > > > -- > > Alan Muscat > > Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. > > *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** > ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 19:57:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84250 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 19:57:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911935807:10:17400:19; Tue, 24 Nov 98 19:30:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120400; 24 Nov 98 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA05786 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:59:56 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05780 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:59:43 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0ziNgx-0004fT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:00:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:00:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: EndNotes 3.03 To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've tracked down and fixed the bug in EndNotes which caused the COPY key to delete backwards at the end of a document. A corrected EndNotes, now version 3.03, is available for download from my website. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 23:08:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84254 for opro ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 23:08:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911944757:10:14889:19; Tue, 24 Nov 98 21:59:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113824; 24 Nov 98 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA06210 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:42:43 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06205 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:42:30 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via nm51-36.Nijmegen.NL.net [193.79.244.230] with SMTP for id WAA12792 (8.8.8/1.10); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:42:43 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003101be17f2$ec6d40a0$0100000a@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:20:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steven Brown wrote: >>I used OP to produce my Ph.D thesis, which was approximately 260 pages in >>length. The problem now is that my boss is urgently requesting an electronic >>copy of my thesis. > >>I am a bit reluctant to export my thesis as plain text, as I have made >>extensive use of superscripts, subscripts and Greek characters, so is there >>any other method by which I could transfer this document over to a PC. David Pilling advised: >How about printing to PostScript and then using GhostScript to convert it >to Adobe PDF? That way it comes out just like you DTP'd it. > different people advised to use GhostScript or pstopfd > I think there is another solution. And I did try it out. I made an OP page which contained an Artwork-file (colour-blend), JPEG and sprite (both converted to 24-bit), a Draw-file (black,white,gray with text in font Wedding Text), and different fonts: Optima (small caps, regular and italic), Trinity/Times, Homerton/Helvetica and Dingbats. I had to use the font Wedding Text also in a text frame to get this font also in the Draw file in the frame (sic!). De Optima's and Wedding Text fonts contain a "Type1" within their font directory, otherwise the output is very bad in the pdf file. The OP-file : 2,363Kb I used Acorn PostScript printer (colour ON for colour output and colour OFF for grey) to print to file. I used !Printers 1.28: postscript level 1. The postscriptfile: 3,948Kb I have a Windows-NT connection via Omniclient with my RiscPC. I can use part of the Acrobat suite: Distiller (convert postscript to pdf), Distiller Assistant (printer to print to ps and/or to pdf), Exchange (viewer and editor). I opened the postscrip tfile in Distiller and 40 seconds later I had my pdf file (212 Kb). The only thing I had to do in Distiller was chosing the job option to embed all the fonts in the pdf file to make it completely device-independent. I also made the color conversion device-independent. Of course, you can do a lot more fine tuning. In Acrobat Exchange you can see the result as in Acrobat Reader, but you can edit the file to some extend. You can also make your product more friendly for electronical use eg. links, bookmarks, notes. If you are dissatisfied with some pages, you can remove them, make new ones and insert them. Users can use the Reader to consult your work in a not Acorn environment, or !Pdf / !RiScript on Acorn computers. So, if you can use the Acrobat suite after you have printed a "good" PostScript file, you can have an all purpose pdf-version of your OP product.. Having a RiscPC connected to a WindowsNT computer makes such a job easy. I don't know whether or not you can do this with a RiscPC and a PC-card. I am going to do more of these conversions, but I will restrict myself to the fonts Trinity, Homerton, Corpus, Dingbats. Using more fonts and embedding them, is asking for trouble. As is also often true when using postscript for paper output. And for people discussing wonderful applications for Acorn: I would prefer a Acrobat-look-a-like program with frames (like in a DTP program) and OLE, combined with the antialiasing of fonts and graphics .... mrs Tonnie Demarteau in the Netherlands, so excuse me my bad or ugly English .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 03:08:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84291 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 03:08:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911961921:10:00997:15; Wed, 25 Nov 98 02:45:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000885; 25 Nov 98 2:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA06539 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:31:43 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06534 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:31:30 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA23409 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:24:23 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA23863; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:30:23 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:08:39 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Delete/Copy keys Message-ID: <48AA378A4F%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (08 Oct 1998) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message P Hutton wrote: > Type in something. Place caret at end. Delete using delete key. Works > OK. > Now do the same, but place caret at end, and press COPY key. It does the > same thing, instead of deleting forwards! It might have a little difficulty in deleting forwards if it's at the end. ;-) > Any suggestions/solutions welcomed. I presume you'd like it to do nothing if it's at the end? This seems to work, although I can't claim to have tested it exhaustively [1]. {if (caretchar()>0) type("{CRight}"); type("{DeleteF}")} There are a number of things I don't understand about that, in particular why it's "caretchar()>0", rather than "caretchar()>=0". No doubt he who understands these things will explain, in the fullness of time. [1] Those who have difficulty with long words, such as 'exhaustively', may substitute 'at all', if they wish. ;-) Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 14:10:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84293 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 14:10:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911985910:20:23433:16; Wed, 25 Nov 98 09:25:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022932; 25 Nov 98 9:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06844 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:06:16 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06837 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:06:01 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0ziaty-0005W5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:06:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:06:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Delete/Copy keys To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <48AA378A4F%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 24 Nov, Chris Manning wrote: > In message > P Hutton wrote: > > > Any suggestions/solutions welcomed. > > I presume you'd like it to do nothing if it's at the end? This seems to > work, although I can't claim to have tested it exhaustively [1]. > > {if (caretchar()>0) type("{CRight}"); type("{DeleteF}")} > There's no need. This was the fault of EndNotes with versions less than 3.03. I've fixed it, and version 3.03 is available from my website. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 14:10:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84297 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 14:10:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911997684:20:21874:16; Wed, 25 Nov 98 12:41:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112844; 25 Nov 98 12:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA07219 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:53:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA07214 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:52:54 GMT Received: from (193.149.92.112) [193.149.92.112] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zidVb-00012r-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:53:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:46:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48aa8267a0steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10a for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Master Pages Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello all Some of you may have seen my request for help regarding master pages. I am pleased to say that I have almost got what I want. I would like to thank Dave Symes who not only sent several email messages, but also took the trouble to telephone me at home to described what to do. It is this sort of friendly community type of help that makes Acorn users special. I hope that we can all stay with our machine for many years to come, continuing to enjoy this friendship. Thanks again to Dave Steve -- What ever happened to the man in the moon? _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 14:10:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84298 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 14:10:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911999266:20:17352:18; Wed, 25 Nov 98 13:07:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127783; 25 Nov 98 13:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07382 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:38:20 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07377 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:37:53 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p21-max5.ham.ihug.co.nz [202.36.95.85]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA1138 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 01:00:09 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files - Use EW/TWPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB07382 On Wed 25 Nov, Sam Smith wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > I've got an idea, which i didn't notice here. So when it is already s= aid: > > sorry, if not: listen. > > Yesterday i saw that Tech/EasyWriterPro 5 can import Impression DDF. = Why=20 > > not try to get EW/TWPro im/exporting OvP DDL? I've already send a mai= l to=20 > > Iconsupport with the same question. When EW/TWPro can import/export O= vP we=20 > > can export OvP to word, TeX, HTMl and postcript. > >=20 > > Or turn it the other way around, let OvP im/export to EW/TWPro > Icon have (completely unoffically) suggested that the reaosn > that they haven't implement OPro support is becuase OPro has > RTF support (allegedly), and EWpro/TWpro can do RTF. It > would make getting OPro stuff out to less discerning > computer users much easier. >=20 > Maybe if more people asked for it, they would include it.=20 >=20 > Regards > Sam So give us an E-mail address to write to, and/or a Web site to visit... --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... Ren=E9 Turner ..Survivor 82... Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz=20 H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury.org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 14:11:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84304 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 14:11:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 911989261:10:01836:38; Wed, 25 Nov 98 10:21:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001699; 25 Nov 98 10:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07023 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:56:37 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07018 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:56:25 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:56:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:55:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48aa784125C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: EndNotes 3.03 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Rupert Thompson wrote: > I've tracked down and fixed the bug in EndNotes which caused the > COPY key to delete backwards at the end of a document. > A corrected EndNotes, now version 3.03, is available for download > from my website. > -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 > 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk (when my computer's on!) And is also now on the alternative site, in case Rupert's site is not always up. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 14:11:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84307 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 14:11:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912000870:10:00556:43; Wed, 25 Nov 98 13:34:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122173; 25 Nov 98 13:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07595 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:58:40 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07588 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:58:27 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:58:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:57:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48aa88ec16C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files - Use EW/TWPro In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Rene Turner wrote: > On Wed 25 Nov, Sam Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > > I've got an idea, which i didn't notice here. So when it is > > > already said: sorry, if not: listen. Yesterday i saw that > > > Tech/EasyWriterPro 5 can import Impression DDF. Why not try to > > > get EW/TWPro im/exporting OvP DDL? > > > > > > Or turn it the other way around, let OvP im/export to EW/TWPro > > Icon have (completely unoffically) suggested that the reaosn > > that they haven't implement OPro support is becuase OPro has > > RTF support (allegedly), and EWpro/TWpro can do RTF. There is currently a bit of confusion here. EWPro/TWPro can *import* RTF, but cannot save it. OvPro has an RTF importer, but not an exporter. Therefore, in order to have exchange of data between TWPro and OvPro via RTF format in both directions, *both* packages would need to have RTF export implemented. The only package I know to have an RTF exporter is CC Publisher, if you have bought the RTF loader/saver pack. In general, packages tend to have importers for foreign formats, but not exporters, once it is in, its in! Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 15:18:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84327 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 15:18:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912006192:10:08863:15; Wed, 25 Nov 98 15:03:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008666; 25 Nov 98 15:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08345 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:33:22 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (sams@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08340 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:33:09 GMT Received: from localhost (sams@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07777 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:38:46 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:38:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files - Use EW/TWPro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Rene Turner wrote: > On Wed 25 Nov, Sam Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > > I've got an idea, which i didn't notice here. So when it is already said: > > > sorry, if not: listen. > > > Yesterday i saw that Tech/EasyWriterPro 5 can import Impression DDF. Why > > > not try to get EW/TWPro im/exporting OvP DDL? I've already send a mail to > > > Iconsupport with the same question. When EW/TWPro can import/export OvP we > > > can export OvP to word, TeX, HTMl and postcript. > > > > > > Or turn it the other way around, let OvP im/export to EW/TWPro > > Icon have (completely unoffically) suggested that the reaosn > > that they haven't implement OPro support is becuase OPro has > > RTF support (allegedly), and EWpro/TWpro can do RTF. It > > would make getting OPro stuff out to less discerning > > computer users much easier. > > > > Maybe if more people asked for it, they would include it. > So give us an E-mail address to write to, and/or a Web site to visit... Best thing to do would be to mention it when upgrading to Easi/TechWriter 5. but their website is http://www.iconsupport.demon.co.uk - but don't pester them yet, they are still in the last stages of finalising v5 for the show at the weekend. Ask them there :) Regards Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 15:18:32 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84328 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 15:18:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912006417:10:11863:16; Wed, 25 Nov 98 15:06:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113330; 25 Nov 98 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08320 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:30:28 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08305 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:30:06 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J4LFL7Z2OQ00VVYR@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:12:14 GMT +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:08:26 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files - Use EW/TWPro In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <9ce794aa48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Rene Turner wrote: > On Wed 25 Nov, Sam Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > > I've got an idea, which i didn't notice here. So when it is already said: > > > sorry, if not: listen. > > > Yesterday i saw that Tech/EasyWriterPro 5 can import Impression DDF. Why > > > not try to get EW/TWPro im/exporting OvP DDL? I've already send a mail to > > > Iconsupport with the same question. When EW/TWPro can import/export OvP we > > > can export OvP to word, TeX, HTMl and postcript. > > > > > > Or turn it the other way around, let OvP im/export to EW/TWPro > > Icon have (completely unoffically) suggested that the reaosn > > that they haven't implement OPro support is becuase OPro has > > RTF support (allegedly), and EWpro/TWpro can do RTF. It > > would make getting OPro stuff out to less discerning > > computer users much easier. > > > > Maybe if more people asked for it, they would include it. > > > > Regards > > Sam > > So give us an E-mail address to write to, and/or a Web site to visit... http://www.iconsupport.demon.co.uk/ mike@iconsupport.demon.co.uk -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 18:10:10 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84334 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 18:10:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912016113:10:05108:18; Wed, 25 Nov 98 17:48:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103835; 25 Nov 98 17:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA08691 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:18:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA08686 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:18:43 GMT Received: from (193.149.86.210) [193.149.86.210] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0ziiYe-0006Ad-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:16:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(HTMLPro) To: a.esplen@btinternet.com, alistair.munro@btinternet.com, andy.progs@argonet.co.uk, ataylor@bvista.demon.co.uk, clive.holland@btinternet.com, crusius@wxs.nl, darprint@btinternet.com, davef@cbslontd.demon.co.uk, dedunn@argonet.co.uk, djw@argonet.co.uk, ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk, julian@levens.co.uk, kenpaton@zetnet.co.uk, kh@waikato.ac.nz, lists@armlink.ndirect.co.uk, m.r.devon@bath.ac.uk, nobilangelo@compuserve.com, norman@nthom.demon.co.uk, paul@krowdrah.demon.co.uk, rjet1@cam.ac.uk, sams@techie.com, stevew@metronet.co.uk, steyan@argonet.co.uk, tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk, ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:10:52 +0000 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: HTMLPro News: 25th November 1998 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA08687 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB08691 Wahey! Everything is going very, very well and HTMLPro _WILL_ be available from = the start of next week (30th November). Prices are=20 Single User =A340 Primary Site =A360 Secondary Site =A365 Business Site =A370 Postage is =A31.50 for UK, =A32.50 for EU countries and =A36 for other co= untries. Improvements =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D HTMLPro will convert Artworks files, drawfiles, and sprites into Gifs or = Jpegs. The current output code is perfect and the pages are displayed well. 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Benji Levens --=20 _ _ _______ __ __ _ =20 | | | |__ __| \/ | | , __ www.levens.co.uk/software/html.htm | |__| | | | | \ / | | /|/ \ html.demo@levens.co.uk | __ | | | | |\/| | | |___/,_ __ | | | | | | | | | | |____| / | / \_ by Levens Software |_| |_| |_| |_| |_|______| |_/\__/ FreeCall 0500 121 242 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 23:26:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84361 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 23:26:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912034915:10:12269:15; Wed, 25 Nov 98 23:01:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104659; 25 Nov 98 23:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09293 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:47:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09288 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:47:46 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zinjR-0000lW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:48:22 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:48:05 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:55:05 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Imposition Message-ID: <30a4b4aa48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <84228@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <84228@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > (forwarded from my personal email address...) > > > From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" > Subject: RE: Imposition > > > from memory, a 95% accurate story is in the supplementary handout (A5) given > with ?some upgrade?, e.g the one first involving the new colour supplement > and covereing various 'big' applets?? > > This is a difficult thing to document, but I think these scrolls made a good > stab. > > > Christopher I Howe > Lucent, Malmesbury UK > > > ---------- > > From: david@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > Sent: 21 November 1998 23:34 > > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > Subject: Imposition > > > > > > (forwarded from the old list address) > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:22:08 +0000 > > From: Alan Muscat > > > > > > Could someone remind of where doing impostion > > with OP is documented. > > > > Cheers > > > I've got the A5 booklet titled Ovation Pro Applets and in the section on the !Imposit applet no mention is directly made about imposition. Was there another booklet after this one? Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 23:26:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84362 for opro ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 23:26:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912032660:20:21595:15; Wed, 25 Nov 98 22:24:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021529; 25 Nov 98 22:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09161 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:09:52 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09156 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:09:40 GMT Received: from [194.222.194.153] (helo=abacusline.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zin8Z-0006MK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:10:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:06:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files - Use EW/TWPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48aa88ec16C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 25 Nov, Chris Johnson wrote: > > The only package I know to have an RTF exporter is CC Publisher, if > you have bought the RTF loader/saver pack. Fireworkz has an RTF exporter. -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 14:03:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84374 for opro ; Thu, 26 Nov 98 14:03:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912055358:20:28378:17; Thu, 26 Nov 98 04:42:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028310; 26 Nov 98 4:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA09633 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 04:29:09 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA09628 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 04:28:54 GMT Received: from [194.222.132.205] (helo=beebware.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zit3d-0000cj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 04:29:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:46:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Re: Colour Supplement To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199811231846.SAA02989@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post does not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Warning-1: Sending mail to this address indicates acceptance of X-Warning-2: our Acceptable Use Policy which is on public display X-Warning-3: on our website and via our autoresponder. X-Autoresponder: info@beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 23 Nov, Jan De Poorter wrote: > Richard Chiswell wrote: > > Where can I get a copy of the Colour Supplement for OvationPro? I > > haven't been able to find a copy or a reference of it on either the > > Beebug website or the price list... > In the original release (1.46) the Colour Supplement is on a disc of > it's own. Can you (or somebody else) tell me which disc? I've just checked every single OvationPro disc I've got and I've found no sign of it! I have the 2.46 (19/06/97) disc set with the 2.48/2.49+Applets upgrade disc. > For the latest version, look on the Beebug website: > Software > Ovation Pro > Upgrades > Upgrade Colour Supplement > This is a upgrade from 1.00 to 1.04 I've downloaded it, I just need to be able to use it... Cheers, Richy C. -- ..sig writes its own multi-level integrated database system as Impact3 etc. can't cope with the necessary detail :( -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 14:03:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84377 for opro ; Thu, 26 Nov 98 14:03:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912066197:20:06075:15; Thu, 26 Nov 98 07:43:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005951; 26 Nov 98 7:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA09827 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:30:46 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk (qmailr@pat.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA09822 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:30:35 GMT Received: (qmail 11896 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1998 07:31:15 -0000 Received: from midge.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.34) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 26 Nov 1998 07:31:15 -0000 Received: from ppp10-annex.bath.ac.uk by midge.bath.ac.uk id aa20125; 26 Nov 98 7:31 GMT From: Martin Devon Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:17:58 To: Ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Conversion of OP files Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite 2.00b24/Acorn RISC OS X-Organization: Stonar School Wiltshire UK 44 (0)1225 702309 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Aren't we losing sight of the objective? These are our problems:- (1)Students prepare work at home using WfW for the most part. They bring it to school and expect to load it into O-Pro. (2) The examination boards expect work in WfW format (so I am given to understand; if I find that to be so, I intend to enquire whether they are ignorant, stupid or corrupt - I think it quite unacceptable, if true, that such a body should be insisting on a secret, commercial format) However, to the point: We /do/ need, urgently, WfW/OPro import and export capability, directly and straightforwardly. There was some mention of this in the past, and I think Rupert Thompson has done something already (apologies, Rupert, if it is already complete, but I couldn't see it on your web site) I know an objection will be raised, as it was before, that OPro is not a word processor, but it /is/, by far, the most competent all- round performer available. Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 14:03:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84378 for opro ; Thu, 26 Nov 98 14:03:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912080532:10:16405:21; Thu, 26 Nov 98 11:42:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125322; 26 Nov 98 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA10230 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:20:26 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10223 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:20:09 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J4MNRYQCPO00UXZH@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:17:32 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:13:20 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Colour Supplement In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Richard Chiswell wrote: > On Mon 23 Nov, Jan De Poorter wrote: > > Richard Chiswell wrote: > > > Where can I get a copy of the Colour Supplement for OvationPro? I > > > haven't been able to find a copy or a reference of it on either the > > > Beebug website or the price list... > > In the original release (1.46) the Colour Supplement is on a disc of > > it's own. > > Can you (or somebody else) tell me which disc? I've just checked > every single OvationPro disc I've got and I've found no sign of it! > > I have the 2.46 (19/06/97) disc set with the 2.48/2.49+Applets upgrade > disc. It is something you've to buy, it is not with OvP. It is not with OvP itself (anymore), look on beebug page for more details. > > > For the latest version, look on the Beebug website: > > Software > Ovation Pro > Upgrades > Upgrade Colour Supplement > > This is a upgrade from 1.00 to 1.04 > > I've downloaded it, I just need to be able to use it... Like i said, you need to get the coloursupplement instal discs first greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 14:03:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84379 for opro ; Thu, 26 Nov 98 14:03:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912073344:20:24548:18; Thu, 26 Nov 98 09:42:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024202; 26 Nov 98 9:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA10045 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:20:03 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA10040 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:19:51 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zixbE-0004x3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:20:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:21:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 25 Nov, Martin Devon wrote: > Aren't we losing sight of the objective? These are our problems:- > > (1)Students prepare work at home using WfW for the most part. > They bring it to school and expect to load it into O-Pro. > > (2) The examination boards expect work in WfW format (so I am > given to understand; if I find that to be so, I intend to enquire > whether they are ignorant, stupid or corrupt - I think it quite > unacceptable, if true, that such a body should be insisting on a > secret, commercial format) > > However, to the point: We /do/ need, urgently, WfW/OPro import and > export capability, directly and straightforwardly. There was some > mention of this in the past, and I think Rupert Thompson has done > something already (apologies, Rupert, if it is already complete, > but I couldn't see it on your web site) You're quite right, I forgot to put the link to it on my software page. The (highly) developmental demo version of my Word loader is, however, available at and on Chris Johnson's OP resources site. It isn't finished, by a long way. I'd hoped to have it ready for Acorn World, but that deadline sort of disappeared ... and then my teaching load turned out to be rather heavy this term ... > I know an objection will be raised, as it was before, that OPro is > not a word processor, but it /is/, by far, the most competent all- > round performer available. If you want to prepare the sort of documents that I do, OPro *is* the word processor of choice. I've tried TechWriter (admittedly a long time ago), and I've fought with Word. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 14:04:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84380 for opro ; Thu, 26 Nov 98 14:03:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912082995:10:19761:15; Thu, 26 Nov 98 12:23:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019708; 26 Nov 98 12:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA10374 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:56:41 GMT Received: from hercules.telenet-ops.be (hercules.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10369 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:56:29 GMT Received: from pandora.be ([195.130.146.40]) by hercules.telenet-ops.be (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA6D63; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:57:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: rc-beebug@beebware.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:56:56 +0100 Message-ID: <48ab073577jdp@pandora.be> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Colour Supplement In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAA10370 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB10374 Richard Chiswell wrote: > > In the original release (1.46) the Colour Supplement is on a disc > > of it's own. > Can you (or somebody else) tell me which disc? I've just checked > every single OvationPro disc I've got and I've found no sign of it! > I have the 2.46 (19/06/97) disc set with the 2.48/2.49+Applets > upgrade disc. The disc is labelled 'Colour Supplement' and the files on it are datestamped 12/06/97. According to the advert in Acorn User November 1997, the Colour supplement was sent free-of-charge to all registred users who bought OvPro before May 1st 1997. Otherwise it costs =A357.58, although I can't seem to find it in the leaflet that came with the November issue of Risc User. You should probably contact Beebug to find out the details. sales@beebug.co.uk Jan. --=20 __ ____ ____=20 / / / __ \ / __ \ Gent, Belgium __ / / / / / / / /_/ / / /_/ /_ / /_/ / / ____/ \____/(_)_____(_)_/ (_) mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 14:04:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84383 for opro ; Thu, 26 Nov 98 14:04:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912083086:10:21024:17; Thu, 26 Nov 98 12:24:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111049; 26 Nov 98 12:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA10356 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:55:06 GMT Received: from online.no (pilt-s.online.no [148.122.208.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10351 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:54:51 GMT Received: from pixeleye.online.no (ti01a21-0083.dialup.online.no [130.67.9.211]) by online.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14200 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:55:18 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:57:13 +0100 (GMT+1) From: "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" Subject: Simplified upgrade policy/techniques? (Re: Colour Supplement) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Sometimes. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 26 Nov, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message > Richard Chiswell wrote: > > > On Mon 23 Nov, Jan De Poorter wrote: > > > Richard Chiswell wrote: > > > > Where can I get a copy of the Colour Supplement for OvationPro? I > > > > haven't been able to find a copy or a reference of it on either the > > > > Beebug website or the price list... > > > In the original release (1.46) the Colour Supplement is on a disc of > > > it's own. > > > > Can you (or somebody else) tell me which disc? I've just checked > > every single OvationPro disc I've got and I've found no sign of it! > > > > I have the 2.46 (19/06/97) disc set with the 2.48/2.49+Applets upgrade > > disc. > > It is something you've to buy, it is not with OvP. > It is not with OvP itself (anymore), look on beebug page for more details. > > > > > For the latest version, look on the Beebug website: > > > Software > Ovation Pro > Upgrades > Upgrade Colour Supplement > > > This is a upgrade from 1.00 to 1.04 > > > > I've downloaded it, I just need to be able to use it... > > Like i said, you need to get the coloursupplement instal discs first Errrg... wouldn't it be *miles* cheaper for everyone concerned if the following solution were used: a) Set up an adequately protected download-site b) When cash arrives from credit card, money check etc. the sender is mailed the password for the upgrade file(s) s/he's paid for. What could be simpler? I realise that not all OP-users are on the net but certainly most of the ones outside the GB islands are - and having a fast/simplified upgrade method would make it *so* much more attractive to use OP in the first place would be a boon. Possibly the copy prot. even could be made a bit less disc-dependent generally? Switch into/out of "move program" mode with PGP-crypted password? Over to David. :) (I, too, have problems with the colsup upgrade due to disks being severely disclocated in a flurry of recent moves. Are there any ways of installing the upgrade without using the supp. patch application?) -- Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@.online.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 14:54:58 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84399 for opro ; Thu, 26 Nov 98 14:54:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912091528:20:27380:21; Thu, 26 Nov 98 14:45:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026729; 26 Nov 98 14:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA10715 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:02:04 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [194.152.65.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA10710 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:01:51 GMT Received: from modem-94.havrix.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.70.94] helo=dial4227) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #5) id 0zj20B-0003gG-00; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:02:35 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01be1945$777bea40$5e46883e@dial4227> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Imposition Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:02:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In message <84228@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: >> > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:22:08 +0000 >> > From: Alan Muscat >> > >> > >> > Could someone remind of where doing impostion >> > with OP is documented. > >I've got the A5 booklet titled Ovation Pro Applets >and in the section on the !Imposit applet >no mention is directly made about imposition. >Was there another booklet after this one? Not that I know of. The only docs on imposition that I have are those in the file describing the new functions (aka the appendix to the manual chapter 17). I can't recall where in the distribution they are - whether it's on disc, or in one of the update archives - my version is a file called NewFuncts, but I may have named it that myself! I've never seen it on paper (apart from printing it myself). Before you whoop with joy at finding it, I warn you that it's *really* a programmer's reference. It is a nightmare to get your head round it, especially if (like me) you're not a programming type. It is rather rewarding though when you do get an imposition format to work! If you want any more help or a copy of the doc, give me an email and I'll do my best. Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From root@riscpc.student.wau.nl Thu Nov 26 17:29:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84404 for opro ; Thu, 26 Nov 98 17:29:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912094936:10:04751:1; Thu, 26 Nov 98 15:42:16 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl ([137.224.10.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119549; 26 Nov 98 15:41 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J4MWGYKCNG00UXZH@NET.WAU.NL> for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:25:58 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:20:52 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: EWPro/TWPro and OvP (fwd) To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Reply-to: steveno@lx.student.wau.nl Message-id: <1d5f1fab48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Hello David, I've asked Icon Technology (almost) the same question as i did on the OvationPro mailinglist. This is the answer from them. I don't know where to send it so i send it to the adres you se on the mailinglist. I'm sorry when it is the wrong one. I hope you both can figure out something, and i think it is best that you answer Mike instead of me. Since i'm not that good in technical english to understand everything and to answer Mike properly When i can do anything to help please tell me so. greetings and good luck ---------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:00:41 +0000 From: Mike Glover To: Steven Ottens Subject: Re: EWPro/TWPro and OvP >I've tried TechWriterPro 4.0x once. I don't know the right version but it >did im/export word 6 and 7. I was (and am) really impressed by the quality >of the converted documents. But since I'm a not-that-rich-student and i use >OvationPro I didn't buy EW or TW. It is half price to Students :-) >The main reason to buy EW or TW would be >it's word im/export capabilties. But when you import word in EW you still >have to translate it to plain text when you want to use it in OvationPro. >And a simple program like !AntiWord does the same and it also exports to text > >I just read about the E/TW 5 with it's capabilties to import Impression DDF. >Isn't it possible to ex/import OvationPro DDL? It would be of much use for >me and other OvP users. We could use EW/TW for importing word to OvP. And >maybe also to export OvP to word. I've got quite some ideas how it should >work. But since I'm not a programmer i don't know if and how they can be >realized. > >I know this is not what EW/TW was intended for but when it does do that job, >i will buy it, use it for im/exporting and when used to it i will also use >it for normal text-processing i think. > >When you want more information/help/anything else i could possibly offer >please get in contact with me. I'm eager to help you. And of course try >David Pilling for more information about OvP. He knows a way more then i do. We colud look at DDL but would need info/specs on it. Regards Mike Icon Technology Limited - Authors of TechWriter, EasiWriter & TalkWrite Church House, Church Street, Carlby, Lincs, PE9 4NB 01778 590563, mike@iconsupport.demon.co.uk http://www.iconsupport.demon.co.uk/ ----------- End forwarded message ----------- -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 17:29:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84406 for opro ; Thu, 26 Nov 98 17:29:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912095877:10:18139:15; Thu, 26 Nov 98 15:57:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118033; 26 Nov 98 15:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA10882 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:33:22 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10877 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:33:10 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zj3RE-0006FV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:34:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:33:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files - Use EW/TWPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 25 Nov, Sam Smith wrote: [EW/TW importing OvPro DDL] > Best thing to do would be to mention it when upgrading to Easi/TechWriter > 5. but their website is http://www.iconsupport.demon.co.uk - but don't > pester them yet, they are still in the last stages of finalising v5 for > the show at the weekend. Ask them there :) It *is* worth pestering them. I was talking to Mike Glover of Icon Tech yesterday, and he was unaware of any possible requirement for DDL conversion in EW and TW. As they've just got IP DDF import working very well in a matter of just a few weeks (less than a month, AFAICT), DDL might not be a major job for them. If there are enough requests, I'm sure they'll add the ability. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 01:23:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84444 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 01:23:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912129559:20:26889:17; Fri, 27 Nov 98 01:19:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126884; 27 Nov 98 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA11595 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:01:22 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11590 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:01:09 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J4NGOSP4NY00UZBR@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:04:58 GMT +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:00:29 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Conversion of OP files - Use EW/TWPro In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Liam Gretton wrote: > On Wed 25 Nov, Sam Smith wrote: > > [EW/TW importing OvPro DDL] > > > Best thing to do would be to mention it when upgrading to Easi/TechWriter > > 5. but their website is http://www.iconsupport.demon.co.uk - but don't > > pester them yet, they are still in the last stages of finalising v5 for > > the show at the weekend. Ask them there :) > > It *is* worth pestering them. I was talking to Mike Glover of Icon Tech > yesterday, and he was unaware of any possible requirement for DDL conversion > in EW and TW. As they've just got IP DDF import working very well in a > matter of just a few weeks (less than a month, AFAICT), DDL might not be a > major job for them. If there are enough requests, I'm sure they'll add the > ability. > I've got an answer from Mike to my question. He was asking for more details about DDL, i've forwarded the mail to David. So maybe this works out fine. Mike seems interested so when david, or someone else can help him we might get the converter. greetings from a hopefull OvP user -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 14:02:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84464 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 14:02:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912161597:10:07921:15; Fri, 27 Nov 98 10:13:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113715; 27 Nov 98 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA11935 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:42:54 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11930 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:42:41 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02293 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:37:35 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA11512; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:42:07 GMT Message-ID: <365E7447.74CFEFFA@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:43:35 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation Pro List Subject: Ghostscript 5 and PSUtils now available. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ghostscript 5 and the latest version of PSUtils are now available at the acornusers.org site. Full details are at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript and the files are available at ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/ghostscript but to summarize: Ghostscript is Aladdin version 5.10 and incorporates pretty much all of the devices available - it can output as PDF, PS, PNG, JPEG, PCX, PBM etc etc etc. It also works with GView. PSUtils is improved from the copy on Hensa, and also the copy distributed by Mike Williams after the short article about it in an issue of Acorn Publisher. (Various annoying habits of the previous versions have been tidied up). I hope you find it works and I hope you find it useful. Graham Jones -- Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 14:02:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84466 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 14:02:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912171543:10:16925:18; Fri, 27 Nov 98 12:59:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016801; 27 Nov 98 12:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA12243 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:23:11 GMT Received: from algw1.lucent.com (algw1.lucent.com [205.147.213.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA12238 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:22:59 GMT Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com by alig1.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id HAA02547; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:48:42 -0500 Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:23:47 -0000 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F437A08B@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Imposition Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:23:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >Was there another [imposition/applets] booklet after this one? > not aware of one, sorry... If Imposition is done via an Applet, then is there any !help file inside said applet (sorry, on a foreign system here, can't look right now)? I can't remember if these things have pop-up help data or !help files. I think imposition print settings can be 'saved' with the document, so once you've got it to print right save it, maybe also put notes to yourself in one of those off-margin non-printing frames. >Not that I know of. The only docs on imposition that I have are those in the file describing the new functions Christopher I Howe Malmesbury UK > ---------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 16:20:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84479 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 16:20:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912177459:20:15013:16; Fri, 27 Nov 98 14:37:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111024; 27 Nov 98 14:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA12456 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:59:38 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12451 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:59:22 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03135 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:54:17 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA17647; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:58:48 GMT Message-ID: <365EB06B.54C0CC9A@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:00:11 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ghostscript 5 and PSUtils now available. References: <365E7447.74CFEFFA@sharp.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Graham Jones wrote: > > Ghostscript 5 and the latest version of PSUtils are now available at the > acornusers.org site. > > Full details are at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript and the files are > available at ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/ghostscript ..... Whoops, I meant ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript Sorry. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 16:20:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84482 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 16:20:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912183186:20:16865:15; Fri, 27 Nov 98 16:13:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106569; 27 Nov 98 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12741 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:47:59 GMT Received: from online.no (pilt-s.online.no [148.122.208.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12735 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:47:44 GMT Received: from pixeleye.online.no (ti34a21-0010.dialup.online.no [130.67.68.10]) by online.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA03730 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:48:27 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:29:06 +0100 (GMT+1) From: "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" Subject: Re: Ghostscript 5 and PSUtils now available. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <365EB06B.54C0CC9A@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Sometimes. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 27 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > Graham Jones wrote: > > > > Ghostscript 5 and the latest version of PSUtils are now available at the > > acornusers.org site. > > > > Full details are at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript and the files are > > available at ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/ghostscript ..... > > Whoops, I meant ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript > > Sorry. Ah, never mind, and thank you for porting this piece ('tho I haven't actually tried it yet) - an important job is done! I do wonder if there also will be a front-end corresponding to !GView for GS v.5.10? Then we lean back and await the coming of Cerilica's !Vantage. :) Speaking of which - how many plan to shell out 200GBP for this allegedly highly probable Artworks-killer, and hence "obligatory" vector-graphic subcontractor to Ovation Pro? With Photodesk 3, etc. this system will *rock*. :) -- Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@.online.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 16:20:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84484 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 16:20:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912179814:10:07132:20; Fri, 27 Nov 98 15:16:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129171; 27 Nov 98 15:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA12537 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:41:23 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12532 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:41:11 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zjP6f-0000pO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:42:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:42:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Ghostscript 5 and PSUtils now available. To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <365E7447.74CFEFFA@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 27 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > Ghostscript 5 and the latest version of PSUtils are now available at the > acornusers.org site. Brilliant - many thanks Graham for your efforts in porting this. At last we can create PDF files natively! As a word of warning though, running gs (or its aliases such as ps2pdf) from a TaskWindow requires ~3MB. It might be a good idea to send a posting to csa.announce, too. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 16:57:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84492 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 16:57:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912185183:20:17933:15; Fri, 27 Nov 98 16:46:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017739; 27 Nov 98 16:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12874 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:19:10 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12869 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:18:59 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zjQdJ-0001yp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:20:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:19:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Ghostscript 5 and PSUtils now available. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 27 Nov, Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: > Ah, never mind, and thank you for porting this piece ('tho I haven't > actually tried it yet) - an important job is done! I do wonder if there > also will be a front-end corresponding to !GView for GS v.5.10? Glad you mentioned this. I can't get GView 1.01 to work with GS 5.10. It reports 'too long' and complains that it can't see gs' output files. > Then we lean back and await the coming of Cerilica's !Vantage. :) Speaking > of which - how many plan to shell out 200GBP for this [snip] Me. Did anyone go to see it this week? I believe it was unveiled to a chosen few by Cerilica. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 19:02:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84499 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 19:02:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912188442:10:01391:15; Fri, 27 Nov 98 17:40:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001108; 27 Nov 98 17:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA13099 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:05:06 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13094 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:04:53 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04973 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:59:51 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA22604; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:04:24 GMT Message-ID: <365EDBDB.8EC9CF2@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:05:31 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ghostscript 5 and PSUtils now available. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Liam Gretton wrote: > Glad you mentioned this. I can't get GView 1.01 to work with GS 5.10. It > reports 'too long' and complains that it can't see gs' output files. Odd, GView works OK for me. I did have a problem once but I have made a few changes since then and I specifically tested GS5 and GView before uploading the files. If something is reporting 'too long' one thing that springs to mind is to ask if you have Ghostscript buried deep in some directory. Equally were you trying to convert a file deep down in some directory structure. It may be possible that you had a command line which was too long, truncating a filename. Just a thought. Also, are you using raFS or X-Files - I haven't tried X-Files myself, I would like to hear GS5 does work with X-Files or not. Graham. PS. Someone has already pointed out to me one small bug - the !Boot file in !GhostScr needs a 'THEN' in the last line, after the "". I'm going to upload a replacement for the GSapp510 archive tonight. Alternatively you can add the THEN, or delete the line altogether, yourself. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 19:02:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84500 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 19:02:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912186716:20:10283:15; Fri, 27 Nov 98 17:11:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105714; 27 Nov 98 17:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13004 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:47:23 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12999 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:47:11 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J4ODPWHBDE00UXZH@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:51:07 GMT +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:46:15 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Ghostscript 5 and PSUtils now available. In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <676abab48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: > On Fri 27 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > > Graham Jones wrote: > > > > > > Ghostscript 5 and the latest version of PSUtils are now available at > > > the acornusers.org site. > > > > > > Full details are at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript and the files > > > are available at ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/ghostscript ..... > > > > Whoops, I meant ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript > > > > Sorry. > > Ah, never mind, and thank you for porting this piece ('tho I haven't > actually tried it yet) - an important job is done! I do wonder if there > also will be a front-end corresponding to !GView for GS v.5.10? Then we > lean back and await the coming of Cerilica's !Vantage. :) Speaking of which > - how many plan to shell out 200GBP for this allegedly highly probable > Artworks-killer, and hence "obligatory" vector-graphic subcontractor to > Ovation Pro? With Photodesk 3, etc. this > system will *rock*. :) > As non-uk user i'm trying to get Vantage as soon as possible. So i asked Nicholas if the deposit scheme etc is also available for non-uk-people. I've sent the mail today so i'm still waiting for an answer. Other wise i'll ask someone in the UK to do it for me. Anyway i'm going to buy it as soon as it appears. When OvP, TWPro, Vantage, Ghostscript5, Photodesk will all work together i've got a system that will rock, only on 40MHz ;-) greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 19:02:10 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84501 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 19:02:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912191498:10:05665:16; Fri, 27 Nov 98 18:31:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107200; 27 Nov 98 18:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA13291 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:02:15 GMT Received: from sunrise.horizon.nl (root@sunrise.horizon.nl [195.193.108.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13286 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:02:03 GMT Received: from xat.horizon.nl (pm03-37.horizon.nl [195.193.108.117]) by sunrise.horizon.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02740 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:02:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:02:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: GhostScript / Vantage To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 27 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > Ghostscript 5 and the latest version of PSUtils are now available at the > acornusers.org site. It doesn't seem to work on my SA risc PC. Two problems appear: 1) The last line of the !Boot file reports a missing THEN. 2) When typing 'gs -h' from the command line, an abort on data transfer is reported (&000A4AAC). On Fri 27 Nov, Liam Gretton wrote: [snip] > > Then we lean back and await the coming of Cerilica's !Vantage. :) Speaking > > of which - how many plan to shell out 200GBP for this [snip] > > Me. Did anyone go to see it this week? I believe it was unveiled to a chosen > few by Cerilica. I saw it, and although it still needs completion, it appears to be a very promising package. Cerilica is currently setting up a new web site, so you should be able to find more info there. Cheers, Paul Reuvers -- X-Ample Technology bv P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 -- X-Ample Technology bv P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 19:22:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84506 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 19:22:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912193635:20:06990:16; Fri, 27 Nov 98 19:07:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127965; 27 Nov 98 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA13397 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:34:46 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13391 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:34:33 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zjSkX-00037P-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:36:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:35:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: GhostScript / Vantage To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 27 Nov, Paul Reuvers wrote: > It doesn't seem to work on my SA risc PC. Two problems appear: > > 2) When typing 'gs -h' from the command line, an abort on data transfer > is reported (&000A4AAC). It needs a large wedge of memory. Before you open a taskwindow in which to run gs, drag the 'next' slot in the task manager window out to several MB. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 19:22:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84508 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 19:22:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912194529:20:23647:15; Fri, 27 Nov 98 19:22:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023600; 27 Nov 98 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA13479 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:52:57 GMT Received: from lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13474 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:52:45 GMT Received: from mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.39.91]) by lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zjT1T-00059U-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:53:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:53:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Clark Subject: Re: GhostScript / Vantage To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cambridge University, Department of Pathology. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 27 Nov, Paul Reuvers wrote: > On Fri 27 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > > > Ghostscript 5 and the latest version of PSUtils are now available at the > > acornusers.org site. > > It doesn't seem to work on my SA risc PC. Two problems appear: > > 1) The last line of the !Boot file reports a missing THEN. > 2) When typing 'gs -h' from the command line, an abort on data transfer > is reported (&000A4AAC). > I got both of these errors on my system too. Mike Clark, -- o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark, C.U. Department of Pathology <\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "a mountain climbing, cycling, skiing, "> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 21:10:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84509 for opro ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 21:10:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912200007:10:18533:15; Fri, 27 Nov 98 20:53:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113769; 27 Nov 98 20:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA13749 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 20:42:55 GMT Received: from crystal.adgrafix.com ([208.230.143.2] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13744 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 20:42:42 GMT Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (lon-c45-010-vty134.as.wcom.net [195.232.6.134]) by crystal.adgrafix.com (8.9.0/8.9.0 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:37:55 +0100 From: Michael Launhardt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ghostscript 5 and PSUtils now available. Message-ID: <2f43aaab48%M.Launhardt@elkmusic.com> In-Reply-To: <365EB06B.54C0CC9A@sharp.co.uk> X-Organization: Elk Music X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 27 Nov Graham Jones wrote: > Graham Jones wrote: > > > > Ghostscript 5 and the latest version of PSUtils are now available at the > > acornusers.org site. > > > > Full details are at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript and the files are > > available at ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/ghostscript ..... > > Whoops, I meant ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript > > Sorry. > > Graham. Great job! Just the thing I needed right now! Michael Launhardt ____________________________________________________________________ mail: M.Launhardt@elkmusic.com web: http://www.elkmusic.com phone: +31-20-6371890/+49-2238-925306 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 28 02:17:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84516 for opro ; Sat, 28 Nov 98 02:17:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912211694:20:23766:15; Sat, 28 Nov 98 00:08:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114195; 28 Nov 98 0:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA13967 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:54:33 GMT Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13962 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:54:16 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (ppp186149.netaccess.co.nz [202.27.186.149]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA21085 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:53:17 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost at Fri,27 Nov 1998.18:10:03 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:07:37 +1300 From: Ariancylch To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Simplified upgrade policy/techniques? (Re: Colour Supplement) Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.72a (Newsbase) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" wrote: [snip upgrade stuff] > Errrg... wouldn't it be *miles* cheaper for everyone concerned if the > following solution were used: > > a) Set up an adequately protected download-site > b) When cash arrives from credit card, money check etc. the sender is > mailed the password for the upgrade file(s) s/he's paid for. That depends a little on what set up they've already got. There are ways of implementing this badly that would involve a far greater admin cost than posting disks out... (And some times the only two options are `not at all' and `badly') > Possibly the copy prot. even could be made a bit less disc-dependent > generally? Switch into/out of "move program" mode with PGP-crypted > password? Over to David. :) As I recall one problem with this is that the system used is `already in place' and fixing it involves rewriting it... -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 28 14:39:28 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84529 for opro ; Sat, 28 Nov 98 14:39:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912261609:20:17776:15; Sat, 28 Nov 98 14:00:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2017558; 28 Nov 98 13:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA14540 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:44:50 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14535 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:44:35 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zjkgx-00065x-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:45:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:46:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: New cross reference manager applet To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just placed XRef, my cross references manager, on my website. It basically lets you have x-references of the type "see page 12", where the page number printed is associated with a bookmark; and if the bookmark changes pages, the x-reference can be automatically updated. It works in conjunction with EndNotes to provide references to note numbers, too. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 28 16:35:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84543 for opro ; Sat, 28 Nov 98 16:35:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912266009:10:10956:15; Sat, 28 Nov 98 15:13:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127003; 28 Nov 98 15:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA14674 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:01:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14669 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:01:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zjlt3-0007bz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:02:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:56:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ac1f5bc5david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <48aa784125C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can anyone suggest a way to add dot separated groups of letters to the user dictionary ? I can add FRGS to the list but not F.R.G.S etc. The same applies to url,s which all appear as spelling errors, presumably due to the lack of a space between the co, the dot and the uk Any help much appreciated. -- Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 28 17:35:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84557 for opro ; Sat, 28 Nov 98 17:35:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912273203:20:06757:15; Sat, 28 Nov 98 17:13:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106897; 28 Nov 98 17:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA14865 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:00:33 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA14860 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:00:19 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zjnkN-0000gY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:01:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 98 16:50:45 GMT Message-Id: <84549@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can anyone suggest a way to add dot separated groups of letters to the >user dictionary ? I can add FRGS to the list but not F.R.G.S etc. The spell checker does not support '.' as a valid character. It's not capable of storing anything with stops in. I can think of one work around, I believe later versions of OPro generate an event before flagging an error and will let you handle the error yourself. OTOH full stops are used to mark the end of words, so you're not going to get F.R.G.S dealt with as one word, rather as 4 words each of one letter. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message