From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 13:52:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79482 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 13:52:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907208643:10:10257:20; Thu, 01 Oct 98 02:24:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101236; 1 Oct 98 2:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA29063 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 02:57:35 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA29058 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 02:57:23 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOY0G-0006fo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:58:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 02:43:24 GMT Message-Id: <79475@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrades X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >David, there seems to be a problem with the col upgrade to 1.04. I've >downloaded it twice, but it gives me a faulty header error when I click on >the archive. Well I have now downloaded it, and it is OK. I would assume just an oddity of the internet. It is a Zip file, something like ArcFS won't want to know. It should be 70398 bytes long. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 13:52:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79484 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 13:52:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907209093:20:18013:26; Thu, 01 Oct 98 02:31:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122609; 1 Oct 98 2:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA29094 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 03:12:03 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA29089 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 03:11:52 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOYEH-0007La-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 02:12:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 02:58:19 GMT Message-Id: <79480@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrading X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How do I find which version of the colour supplement is installed? See the !applet.!Info file majorversion:1 } i.e. version 1.04 minorversion:4 } info:Colour supplement author:Beebug majorcompatible:2 minorcompatible:49 Or maybe the applet manager program will tell you... >I have just downloaded the OP 2.51 upgrade and performed the upgrade to my >'stock copy' of op 2.46. etc. etc. What I was inclined to say is that if you take a copy of 2.46 and copy the !RunImage into your copy of 2.50, then you can run patch, and you've got a 2.51 and preserved your configuration etc. Then you've got to see which files have changed and copy them over. 'Templates' might just about be the only one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 13:53:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79497 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 13:53:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907240378:20:19336:28; Thu, 01 Oct 98 11:12:58 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126124; 1 Oct 98 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA29742 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:52:21 +0100 Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29737 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:51:53 +0100 Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (ppp186156.netaccess.co.nz [202.27.186.156]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA13802 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:51:57 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost at Thu,01 Oct 1998.22:59:43 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:58:53 +1200 From: Ariancylch To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.71a (Newsbase) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message richard@4qd.co.uk (Richard Torrens) wrote: > On Wed 30 Sep 98 (11:04:39 +0100), ecdbv@xs4all.nl wrote: > > > > > > > Hear! hear!! > > > > I couldn't agree more. We sell PC's and as I said in a newsgroup: 'Bill > > Gates helps us finance the RISC activities.. > > > > Anway: try to etc... > > Long, off-topic posting snipped.. > > I'm not complaining - but this is not the place for such talk, though > I'm sure it (rightly) gives DP a boost of confidence - you are > preaching to the converted. [snip] > If you already have such an article on site, then I'm going to take a > look at your site, but link to ours! If not - why not! Given paragraph one, do you really want me to answer that? -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 15:15:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79523 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 15:15:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907251113:10:15431:18; Thu, 01 Oct 98 14:11:53 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015089; 1 Oct 98 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA30230 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:45:00 +0100 Received: from blaeu.student.uva.nl (blaeu.student.uva.nl [146.50.96.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA30225 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:44:45 +0100 Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (ld21-112.lon.compuserve.com [195.232.12.112]) by blaeu.student.uva.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA540E for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:38:48 +0200 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:54:27 +0100 (MESZ) From: "M. Launhardt" Subject: Re: Upgrading To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 01 Oct, Richard Watkinson wrote: > I also downloaded the 1.04 colour supplement update but have not done anything with it > yet as the old colour supplement seems to be working O.K. but I don't know which vers > ion it is and it is early days (hours). How do I find which version of the colour sup > plement is installed? I've looked all over the place and am obviously missing somethi > ng very simple. I've examined all the files in the applet - I think. Open the !ColSupp applet by holding down SHIFT and inside the directory you should find the text file !Info which says: majorversion:1 minorversion:3.....etc. This means it's version 1.03 of the applet (in my case anyway). At least that's what I think it means. Cheers, Michael __________________ Michael Launhardt Michael.Launhardt@student.uva.nl / tel: +31-20-6371890 ________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 18:22:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79545 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 18:22:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907262208:20:24625:30; Thu, 01 Oct 98 17:16:48 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024613; 1 Oct 98 17:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA30787 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:54:56 +0100 Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA30778 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:54:40 +0100 Received: from niag.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:55:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:43:38 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Goulbourne Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <7761d38d48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 30 Sep, Alan Muscat wrote: > In message you wrote: > Have you used the 'opposition'? You see part of what makes OP great > is Risc OS. Port OP to the PC and it just won't be as good. But if > everything does go down the pan then I guess I'd like to be using > OP on the PC. I seem to have started a busy topic! Yes, I use PC's in work and the PC card at home. My children are expected to use "Word" for their IT projects . I don't know whether it is me, but I find Word *so* clunky. Things I do in a few secs on OP take ages - even then things don't seem quite right. Submarining cursurs on a laptop, the inability of word to recognize certain file types, problems with images, greeking of letters at small point size - where do I stop? As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of loaders and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc Ian -- Ian Goulbourne |__| |__| |__| Tynemouth | |__| |__| | Acorn RiscPC StrongARM Northumberland | | "Life's a beach in Tynemouth" |______________| *Remove NO.SPAM to reply* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 19:20:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79558 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 19:20:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907264222:10:14689:16; Thu, 01 Oct 98 17:50:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129734; 1 Oct 98 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA30936 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:32:16 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA30930 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:32:02 +0100 Received: from [194.222.71.242] (helo=blencathra) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOmar-0003Pv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:32:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:02:09 +0100 From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Col upgrade 1.04 (Was Re: Upgrades) Message-ID: References: <488de05424rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <488de05424rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.71a (Newsbase) (RISC-OS/3.50) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <488de05424rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: [snip] > David, there seems to be a problem with the col upgrade to 1.04. > I've downloaded it twice, but it gives me a faulty header error when > I click on the archive. > No problem with the col upgrade download for me. Opened ok with !SparkPlug. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 22:14:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79570 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 22:14:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907272602:20:02852:25; Thu, 01 Oct 98 20:10:02 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107321; 1 Oct 98 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA31275 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:54:51 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA31268 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:54:29 +0100 Received: from (193.149.78.183) [193.149.78.183] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOool-0000us-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:55:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:52:40 +0100 Message-ID: <488e56752adf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Picture as backdrop Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Continuing from a question on the maillist, and a personal email request. I've written up the detail of how I put a pseudo watermark in Ov Pro documents. This can also be used to insert pictures behind your writing. It should be available from Chris Johnson's Alternative Ov Pro Resource site at: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ later in the week. Or from my own at: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm and follow the "Dongle's doing"s links. where it's available now. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.09j -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 22:14:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79574 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 22:14:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907272606:20:02884:35; Thu, 01 Oct 98 20:10:06 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002809; 1 Oct 98 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA31273 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:54:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA31263 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:54:20 +0100 Received: from (193.149.78.183) [193.149.78.183] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOood-0000us-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:55:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:38:22 +0100 Message-ID: <488e5525cadf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Upgrades In-Reply-To: <79475@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <79475@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >David, there seems to be a problem with the col upgrade to 1.04. I've > >downloaded it twice, but it gives me a faulty header error when I click on > >the archive. > Well I have now downloaded it, and it is OK. > I would assume just an oddity of the internet. It is a Zip > file, something like ArcFS won't want to know. > It should be 70398 bytes long. > David Pilling I too had this problem... but I discovered when I looked at the info file in the ColSupp applet I was trying to upgrade... It wasn't the one from the disk, but a later version. Digging out the master disk and getting the original applet... the upgrade worked okay. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 22:14:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79575 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 22:14:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907273509:20:11330:20; Thu, 01 Oct 98 20:25:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102921; 1 Oct 98 20:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA31394 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:09:33 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA31389 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:09:22 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOp3B-0006FQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:10:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:08:55 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Fit macro? To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I have configure my copy of OPro so that everything I need is in one toolbox across the top. however, one great feature of the other toolbox was the FIT option for dealing with pictures. Is there any way of writing this as a macro, either as a keyboard macro or as a button macro? MGTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 23:09:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79587 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 23:09:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907277955:20:23306:20; Thu, 01 Oct 98 21:39:15 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023279; 1 Oct 98 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA31670 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:23:56 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA31665 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:23:40 +0100 Received: from [158.152.185.75] (helo=nthom.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOqD6-00035i-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:24:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:18:42 +0100 From: Norman Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Upgrade Colour Supplement Message-ID: <488E63D3A7%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have upgraded to OPro and the Colour Supplement to 2.51 and, after an admittedly short time, all seems to be working well - thanks again David. However, the Freshen icon comes up on the icon bar next to the OPro icon whenever I load OPro. The Freshen icon doesn't seem to do any harm, but I'd prefer that it did not appear. How do I prevent it? Ideas welcome. And, add my name to the list of those who would be favourably inclined to pay an annual OPro upgrade fee. I even feel that I can afford it now that my ukp 500 Phoebe deposit has been returned. -- Norman Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 23:48:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79606 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 23:48:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907280786:20:17718:21; Thu, 01 Oct 98 22:26:26 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017620; 1 Oct 98 22:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA31828 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:11:02 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA31823 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:10:51 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOqwl-0006oM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:11:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 22:25:55 GMT Message-Id: <79580@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrades X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> It should be 70398 bytes long. >> David Pilling >I too had this problem... but I discovered when I looked at the info file >in the ColSupp applet I was trying to upgrade... It wasn't the one from >the disk, but a later version. I don't think so, Rays problem was a dud header in the archive. The latest colour sup upgrade, uses a new version of !Freshen, as promised sometime back this is now smarter, so if you try to upgrade the wrong version of the applet it complains - in the first instance it will say the length of !RunImage is wrong. But this is the length of what you are upgrading, not the length of the Zip file on the web pages, which is what I quoted above. Anyway the new !Freshen will stop you upgrading the wrong thing or upgrading twice. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 01:43:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79608 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 01:43:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907284821:20:22000:17; Thu, 01 Oct 98 23:33:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114287; 1 Oct 98 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA31997 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:01:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA31989 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:01:34 +0100 Received: from (rayd) [193.149.78.243] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOrjr-0004Xb-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:02:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:37:33 +0100 Message-ID: <488e6b0b9crayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Upgrade Colour Supplement In-Reply-To: <488E63D3A7%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <488E63D3A7%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk>, Norman Thomas wrote: > I have upgraded to OPro and the Colour Supplement to 2.51 and, after an > admittedly short time, all seems to be working well - thanks again > David. However, the Freshen icon comes up on the icon bar next to the > OPro icon whenever I load OPro. The Freshen icon doesn't seem to do any > harm, but I'd prefer that it did not appear. How do I prevent it? Ideas > welcome. It sounds as if you may have accidentally put a copy in the Applets directory. If so, remove it. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 01:43:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79609 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 01:43:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907285667:20:28627:16; Thu, 01 Oct 98 23:47:47 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028598; 1 Oct 98 23:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA31996 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:01:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA31985 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:01:32 +0100 Received: from (rayd) [193.149.78.243] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOrjp-0004Xb-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:02:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:35:34 +0100 Message-ID: <488e6add4brayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Col upgrade 1.04 (Was Re: Upgrades) In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Philip Powell wrote: > In message <488de05424rayd@argonet.co.uk> > Ray Dawson wrote: > [snip] > > David, there seems to be a problem with the col upgrade to 1.04. > > I've downloaded it twice, but it gives me a faulty header error when > > I click on the archive. > > > No problem with the col upgrade download for me. Opened ok with > !SparkPlug. My original two downloads only gave me a 28K archive instead of the 70K it should be. I downloaded it again and it's now fine. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk Fri Oct 2 02:37:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79616 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 02:37:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907292191:20:16657:3; Fri, 02 Oct 98 01:36:31 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com ([194.72.64.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110330; 2 Oct 98 1:36 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA00579 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 02:24:55 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08203; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:29:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:29:43 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Message-ID: <488E2DE75A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <79297@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 (11 Sep 1998) beta X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b In message <79297@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > PD software is software that people want to write, and often > commercial software is what people don't want to write. How true. I've just had a 'phone call out of the blue asking me to spend the next eight months writing COBOL. Not my idea of fun, and eight months will take us well into the next cricket season, but for the money they're offering... It'll probably come to nothing anyway. Ever since the news about Acorn broke I've been wondering what to say to you. Thanks for all your help in the past, and good luck with whatever you end up doing in the future is about the best I can manage. With any luck you won't end up writing COBOL. Chris From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 13:42:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79624 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 13:42:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907317138:10:05491:17; Fri, 02 Oct 98 08:32:18 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124332; 2 Oct 98 8:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA32523 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:56 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA32518 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:40 +0100 Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J2HPH3K30O00KUQS@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:15:02 GMT +0100 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:07:24 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Fit macro? In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > I have configure my copy of OPro so that everything I need is in one toolbox > across the top. however, one great feature of the other toolbox was the FIT > option for dealing with pictures. Is there any way of writing this as a > macro, either as a keyboard macro or as a button macro? > When I select a frame with a picture i get i the bar below the document, infobar that is IIRC, a fit button. This is a standard setting s i think you should have a look there if you can use it. good luck with it -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 13:43:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79625 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 13:43:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907318042:20:26002:24; Fri, 02 Oct 98 08:47:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025812; 2 Oct 98 8:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA32662 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:28:50 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA32657 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:28:38 +0100 Received: from mistral.co.uk (d1-s43-75-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.75]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMT Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:12:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Upgrade Colour Supplement To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <488E63D3A7%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 01 Oct, Norman Thomas wrote: > And, add my name to the list of those who would be favourably inclined to pay > an annual OPro upgrade fee. I even feel that I can afford it now that my ukp > 500 Phoebe deposit has been returned. > Me too. David, what sort of figure would we be talking about, to make it worth your while? -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 or 642414 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 13:43:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79629 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 13:43:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907323882:10:22653:19; Fri, 02 Oct 98 10:24:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126855; 2 Oct 98 10:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00190 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:06:03 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00183 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:05:40 +0100 Received: from [194.222.194.153] (helo=abacusline.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zP26Y-0000Lp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:06:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:06:47 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of loaders > and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc Maybe filters for Loading and Saving would be outside the scope of Beebug's contract with David. If so then we users could pay David (or someone else) for developing the filters? gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 13:43:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79631 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 13:43:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907324527:10:00130:16; Fri, 02 Oct 98 10:35:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000077; 2 Oct 98 10:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00188 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:05:56 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00178 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:05:33 +0100 Received: from [194.222.194.153] (helo=abacusline.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zP26U-0000Lp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:06:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:05:06 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of loaders > and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc I would like to see such 'filters'. -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 14:51:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79646 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 14:51:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907334420:20:23872:28; Fri, 02 Oct 98 13:20:20 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117271; 2 Oct 98 13:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA00767 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:54:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA00762 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:53:56 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.168) [193.130.250.168] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zP4jU-0004Ms-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:54:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and print) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:53:44 +0100 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 1 Oct 98 (19:05:06 +0100), ovpro@abacusline.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of > loaders > > and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc > > I would like to see such 'filters'. > We at Ingenuity really do need such filters. As an ever growing design house we need to obtain constant support and the such like. Our sister compay is none other than Levens Software, who at this minute are putting (one of) the finishing touches to HTMLPro. An application designed to convert full Ovation Pro DDL files into a full Internet Web site, with graphics and links also supported. Being one of the two members of Levens Software I know for a fact that we would happily look at providing other filters for OvationPro. HTMLPro is not a filter but a stand alone application. However, supplied with HTMLPro is TransGIF - a filter to allow full importing of Web enabled GIF's whilst retaining their mask information. We are looking at an enhanced PhotoCD import facility, allowing better import options. I'm just off to look at obtaining file format details for early Word support (start small). I will keep you informed. Benji Levens Levens Software/Ingenuity -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 15:29:20 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79650 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 15:29:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907337803:10:04755:18; Fri, 02 Oct 98 14:16:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116888; 2 Oct 98 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA01052 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:52:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01042 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:51:56 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zP5dY-0007hI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:52:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 13:47:05 GMT Message-Id: <79632@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade Colour Supplement X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Me too. David, what sort of figure would we be talking about, to make it >worth your while? I don't believe the money that could be raised would be enough to do the work wanted - due to the small number of users. If by magic we could have x amount of money for n bug fixes/improvements, all tightly specified and guaranteed then that would be worth consideration. Problem is it's likely to end up with one side or the other being disapointed. As I said the other day everything depends on the direction "Acorn" goes in the next week or month. And its not just the usual thing of waiting forever. Things are going to be decided soon. Once we can all see whats going to happen with Acorn, and once Beebug have transformed themselves into their new business. Then I and Beebug are going to have a serious discussion about the future of OPro. I'll resolve the things like the RTF loader (qv) at the same time. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 15:29:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79651 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 15:29:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907337876:20:05100:25; Fri, 02 Oct 98 14:17:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005224; 2 Oct 98 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA01054 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:52:28 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01047 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:52:06 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zP5de-0007hI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:52:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 13:47:32 GMT Message-Id: <79634@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of loaders >> and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc >Maybe filters for Loading and Saving would be outside the scope of >Beebug's contract with David. As I've noted in the past some of these filters are under development. There's Rupert Thompsons most useful Word loader which he's let people have a look at recently on his web site. I believe an RTF exporter exists too. The idea was that all this stuff would be available at the show. Well no show and I suspect the people organising the project have other things on their mind. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 15:35:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79656 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 15:35:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907338843:20:16921:22; Fri, 02 Oct 98 14:34:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121363; 2 Oct 98 14:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA01129 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:59:52 +0100 Received: from serv1.is2.u-net.net (serv1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.130.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA01122 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:59:39 +0100 Received: from catchline.u-net.com [195.102.195.119] by serv1.is2.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0zP5Sn-0000Y7-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:41:42 +0100 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:55:24 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Thu 1 Oct 98 (19:05:06 +0100), ovpro@abacusline.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > > > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of > > loaders > > > and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc > > > > I would like to see such 'filters'. > > > > We at Ingenuity really do need such filters. As an ever growing design house > we need to obtain constant support and the such like. > [snip] Us too. We also require Word import/export facilities. In fact, it such a basic need that we acquired Techwriter for this purpose. Unfortunately there seems to be no way to exchange formatted material between Techwriter and OvPro. > I'm just off to look at obtaining file format details for early Word support > (start small). I will keep you informed. > > Benji Levens > Levens Software/Ingenuity you may find yourself looking into bottomless black hole, unfortunately. Microsoft's philisophy seems to be to keep changing the format as often as possible and avoid documenting it. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 15:49:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79659 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 15:48:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907339340:10:23943:23; Fri, 02 Oct 98 14:42:20 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117989; 2 Oct 98 14:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA01195 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:15:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01189 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:15:09 +0100 Received: from [158.152.185.75] (helo=nthom.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zP5zu-00035o-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:15:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:10:08 +0100 From: Norman Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade Colour Supplement Message-ID: <488EC06D62%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <488e6b0b9crayd@argonet.co.uk> Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In response to my enquiry about Freshen appearing on the icon bar, Ray D wrote: > It sounds as if you may have accidentally put a copy in the Applets > directory. If so, remove it. Quite right. 'Applet' removed. Problem cured. What would I do without the Acorn-users' camaraderie. We mustn't let it disappear. Many thanks. -- Norman Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 18:44:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79665 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 18:44:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907345534:20:02269:18; Fri, 02 Oct 98 16:25:34 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123347; 2 Oct 98 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA01895 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:56:17 +0100 Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (ron.mac.co.nz [202.37.101.18] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA01885 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:55:56 +0100 Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (ppp137111.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.111]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA11519 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 03:56:24 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost at Sat,03 Oct 1998.04:04:15 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 04:00:19 +1200 From: Ariancylch To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Message-ID: <8383ca8e48.julian@illusio.milieu.org.nz> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.71a (Newsbase) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ovation Pro wrote: > > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of > > loaders and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc > > Maybe filters for Loading and Saving would be outside the scope of > Beebug's contract with David. If so then we users could pay David (or > someone else) for developing the filters? Ooohh, money :) If someone launched into an Impression filter, let me know. I've got some work on this done, but likely won't get to look at it again for three to four weeks (have to make PDumper check print quotas first, among other things). The project dropped back to hobby status for various reasons. An Impression saver strikes me as an interesting concept. For an example of the thoughts that spring to mind: How close to an (OP) ellipse would an (Impression) irregular frame have to be to be useful? -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 19:19:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79681 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 19:19:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907351031:10:09774:28; Fri, 02 Oct 98 17:57:11 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009598; 2 Oct 98 17:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02198 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:36:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02187 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:35:43 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.94.47] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zP98D-0001Jn-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:36:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:54:20 +0100 Message-ID: <488ec9f757rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" In-Reply-To: <79634@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <79634@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I believe an RTF exporter exists too. Please tell us where !! Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 19:19:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79684 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 19:19:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907351191:10:11593:16; Fri, 02 Oct 98 17:59:51 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125415; 2 Oct 98 17:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02199 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:36:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02191 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:35:44 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.94.47] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zP98F-0001Jn-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:36:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:01:06 +0100 Message-ID: <488ed01421rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Missing Shortcut Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have a key shortcut S_F3 which brings up the Save Text dialogue box. It is an addition to my !Menus file. Since upgrading to 2.51, this shortcut has stopped working, although the entry still appears on the menu. I have checked that all the script files have been copied over and are the old ones - but it still won't work. Any idea why? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 21:04:06 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79695 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 21:04:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907358377:20:08598:27; Fri, 02 Oct 98 19:59:37 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107648; 2 Oct 98 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA02503 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:37:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA02498 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:37:38 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.88.243] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zPB2D-0003R0-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:38:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:11:26 +0100 Message-ID: <488edc02ebrayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Missing Shortcut In-Reply-To: <488ed01421rayd@argonet.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <488ed01421rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > I have a key shortcut S_F3 which brings up the Save Text dialogue box. > It is an addition to my !Menus file. > Since upgrading to 2.51, this shortcut has stopped working, although the > entry still appears on the menu. > I have checked that all the script files have been copied over and are > the old ones - but it still won't work. > Any idea why? Whoops - answering my own post here. I found that !MenuLib was only a few minutes different to my altered one and I had misread the datestamp and thought they were the same. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 21:45:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79704 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 21:45:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907360090:10:08250:26; Fri, 02 Oct 98 20:28:10 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127669; 2 Oct 98 20:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02591 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:04:30 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02585 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:04:18 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPBR9-0006YV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:04:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 19:21:54 GMT Message-Id: <79686@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Missing Shortcut X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a key shortcut S_F3 which brings up the Save Text dialogue box. >It is an addition to my !Menus file. >Since upgrading to 2.51, this shortcut has stopped working, although the >entry still appears Didn't this happen last time there was an upgrade? Something else grabbing the key press I guess, applet etc. >> I believe an RTF exporter exists too. >Please tell us where !! On Rob Clark's hard disc. (RC did the RTF loader). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 22:30:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79706 for opro ; Fri, 02 Oct 98 22:30:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907362382:20:14502:27; Fri, 02 Oct 98 21:06:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014396; 2 Oct 98 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02738 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:46:01 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02733 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:45:50 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPC6E-0002Mv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:46:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 21:22:29 GMT Message-Id: <79702@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: HTML X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded from the wrong address... From:(Richard Torrens) To: owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk <--- the wrong address! Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:34:29 +0100 X-Organization: [14]qd, but does not necessarily reflect its views. <-- [14]? X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: HTML Currently OPro refuses to import HTML: how can this be changed? We keep a lot of documents in two forms: O-Pro and HTML. HTML text is edited via StrongEd - it would be nice to be able to drag text from an HTML file, from StrongEd to O-Pro, but it won't work unless the filetype is changed to text! Nor can you drag an HTML file and drop in on O-Pro! I find this a nuisance! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use an Acorn RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 3 14:41:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79727 for opro ; Sat, 03 Oct 98 14:41:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907414995:10:24160:16; Sat, 03 Oct 98 11:43:15 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024020; 3 Oct 98 11:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA03647 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:26:46 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03642 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:26:33 +0100 Received: from [193.237.141.80] (helo=indiss.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPPqg-0003RK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:27:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:25:39 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Subject: Printing problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry if this has been asked before - but is there any way of gettting rid of the "1PR15" that appears in the print window, when trying to print from OvPro? (I hoped that it might have gone from v2.51 - but no). It has to be cleared from the "From" icon even though I normally want to print "All pages". It is very annoying. Many thanks, Mike. -- Michael Turner -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 3 16:37:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79737 for opro ; Sat, 03 Oct 98 16:37:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907424412:10:22638:16; Sat, 03 Oct 98 14:20:12 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114719; 3 Oct 98 14:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA03946 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:00:12 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03941 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:59:53 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p11-max5.ham.ihug.co.nz [202.36.95.75]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA1938 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:51:10 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Printing problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id PAB03946 On Sun 04 Oct, Michael wrote: > Sorry if this has been asked before - but is there any way of > gettting rid of the "1PR15" that appears in the print window, when=20 > trying to print from OvPro? (I hoped that it might have gone from > v2.51 - but no). >=20 > It has to be cleared from the "From" icon even though I normally > want to print "All pages". It is very annoying. >=20 > Many thanks, >=20 > Mike. I would be most grateful to receive this information too.. --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... Ren=E9 Turner ..Survivor 82... Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz=20 H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury.org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 3 16:37:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79739 for opro ; Sat, 03 Oct 98 16:37:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907424694:10:25361:16; Sat, 03 Oct 98 14:24:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117656; 3 Oct 98 14:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA03964 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:05:25 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03959 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:05:14 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPSKG-0003SO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:06:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 14:49:06 GMT Message-Id: <79735@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >but is there any way of gettting rid of the "1PR15" that appears in the >print window, when trying to print from OvPro? (I hoped that it might have >gone from v2.51 - but no). This is because you've still got the Messages file from an old copy of !OvnPro inside 2.51 etc. That has happened because you've not followed the instructions... I quote... >3. Ensure that Force is selected in your copy options. (Click >menu over the directory viewer and choose Options->Force.) >4. Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded >into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. I'm not sure why we keep having problems here. Any suggestions? Maybe if you've edited your templates file in the previous 2.46 and always have the 'newer' copy option set? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 3 16:38:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79742 for opro ; Sat, 03 Oct 98 16:38:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907428811:20:27140:16; Sat, 03 Oct 98 15:33:31 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113803; 3 Oct 98 15:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA04323 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:15:04 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04318 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:14:51 +0100 Received: from [158.152.85.137] (helo=revcol.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPTPe-0005pa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:16:02 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:16:44 +0100 (BST) From: "Colin G.F. Brockie" Subject: Problem with Characters Font in OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48882BF6F6%john@jevans.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tel. no.01563 525311 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have recently transferred from Impression Publisher to OvationPro. For one process I use the Character font to allow me to print directly to my LC24-200C without changing from the HP DJ500C driver. It works well in Publisher but on changing text to Character Font in OvPro the text vanishes (though one can mark the missing text) & it will not print. Has anyone any ideas about how I may solve this problem? Colin. -- ***************************************************************************** Colin G.F. Brockie revcol@revcol.demon.co.uk Using Acorn RiscPC with StrongARM ***************************************************************************** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From mike@indiss.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 3 17:28:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79745 for opro ; Sat, 03 Oct 98 17:28:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907430427:10:23265:0; Sat, 03 Oct 98 16:00:27 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023256; 3 Oct 98 16:00 GMT Received: from [193.237.141.80] (helo=indiss.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPU6b-0000u1-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:00:25 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:59:43 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Subject: Apologies To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Status: R Hi David, Many thanks for your prompt reply to my "problem". I did read the instructions before I updated my "stock copy" of v1.46 - but for some inexplicable reason didn't carry out steps 3 and 4 correctly. I think the problem may be the fact that once you've done an upgrade it somehow doesn't make any sense to drop the old version over the new one. I actually tried to drop the new and old version into the upgrade window - I know it sounds silly - and gave up when the upgrade utility threw up an error. As with all things, having done it correctly once, then the instructions make absolute sense. The only thing I can suggest is that you insert a line at the start of item 3 saying something like "Having done the main upgrade, ensure that Force is selected......". This may make people think more about what is required AFTER "Upgrade" has done its stuff. Thanks again, Regards, Mike. -- Michael Turner From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:42:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79764 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:42:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907444659:10:12226:16; Sat, 03 Oct 98 19:57:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122451; 3 Oct 98 19:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA04892 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:37:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA04886 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:37:25 +0100 Received: from (193.149.90.7) [193.149.90.7] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zPXVl-0003wf-00; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:38:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 3 Oct 98 16:57:13 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Multiple copies printing to File Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think this has been mentioned before, if so, my apologies. If I set the printer driver (1.54) to 'Print to File' I can save a copy of my headed paper ready to drop on to the printer icon when it's reset to 'Parallel'. The file is about 41k. I usually print in batches, so set, from the print dialogue, 10 copies. The ensuing file is now 410k. ie 10 individual copies are stored. And it takes 10 times as long :-( Isn't there a way of just embedding a 'times 10' instruction with just a single copy of the file? -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:42:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79768 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:42:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907448802:10:24139:19; Sat, 03 Oct 98 21:06:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102787; 3 Oct 98 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA05077 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:47:25 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05072 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:47:12 +0100 Received: from mbax8ss2.mcc.ac.uk (pm2-28.mcc.ac.uk [194.66.22.88]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id QAA00233 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 21:50:01 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 03 Oct, Dr A G Gray wrote: > I think this has been mentioned before, if so, my apologies. > > If I set the printer driver (1.54) to 'Print to File' I can > save a copy of my headed paper ready to drop on to the printer > icon when it's reset to 'Parallel'. The file is about 41k. > > I usually print in batches, so set, from the print dialogue, 10 > copies. > > The ensuing file is now 410k. ie 10 individual copies are > stored. And it takes 10 times as long :-( > > Isn't there a way of just embedding a 'times 10' instruction > with just a single copy of the file? There is an application from someone which does this. It is from the same people who do the LJ Duplex printer. It is called BatchPrint and comes from Mijas software. I have version 2.00 dated 5th NOV 97. It is a useful little thing. I never use it, but it is handly to have. Check their website Cheers Sam Smith "Friends of Phoebe" columist for Archive Magazine mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 3: I'd love to go out with you, but I have some really hard words to look up. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:43:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79773 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:43:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907492675:10:14350:16; Sun, 04 Oct 98 09:17:55 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123623; 4 Oct 98 9:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA05973 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:59:04 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05968 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:58:50 +0100 Received: from warwick.ac.uk (dial4227 [137.205.99.227]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10484; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:00:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <361725D2.A61A23C0@warwick.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 08:37:54 +0100 From: Nick Kaijaks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sam Smith wrote: > > On Sat 03 Oct, Dr A G Gray wrote: > > I think this has been mentioned before, if so, my apologies. > > > > If I set the printer driver (1.54) to 'Print to File' I can > > save a copy of my headed paper ready to drop on to the printer > > icon when it's reset to 'Parallel'. The file is about 41k. > > > > I usually print in batches, so set, from the print dialogue, 10 > > copies. > > > > The ensuing file is now 410k. ie 10 individual copies are > > stored. And it takes 10 times as long :-( > > > > Isn't there a way of just embedding a 'times 10' instruction > > with just a single copy of the file? > There is an application from someone which does this. > > It is from the same people who do the LJ Duplex printer. It is > called BatchPrint and comes from Mijas software. I have version > 2.00 dated 5th NOV 97. Warm Silence sell !FastSpool+, which lets you 'reprint last' as many times as you like. This is a side-effect of its main purpose, which is to spool files from !Printers for background printing as fast as the machine can handle it, whilst giving control back much faster. I have it on my icon bar at bootup, and recommend it quite happily. AFAICR, it's about GBP15+VAT. See http://www.wss.co.uk/ or phone 0585 487642. Cheers, Nick -- Dead .sig - typical Windoze program... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:43:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79777 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:43:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907434841:20:16674:16; Sat, 03 Oct 98 17:14:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113460; 3 Oct 98 17:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA04555 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:52:52 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04549 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:52:38 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPUwG-0006Aj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:53:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 17:41:11 GMT Message-Id: <79755@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with Characters Font in OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >For one process I use the Character font to allow me to print directly to my >LC24-200C without changing from the HP DJ500C driver. It works well in >Publisher but on changing text to Character Font in OvPro the text vanishes >(though one can mark the missing text) & it will not print. Two more bits of info for the assembled grey beards. You use Font Directory Pro, and I've failed dismally to come up with the answer. Oh, and the font works perfectly on my machine, so 'dodgy font' is not the answer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:43:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79779 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:43:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907495349:10:04984:16; Sun, 04 Oct 98 10:02:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116293; 4 Oct 98 10:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA06150 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:31:55 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06133 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:31:16 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPkWo-0007RS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:32:35 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:32:57 GMT Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:24:35 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Thu 1 Oct 98 (19:05:06 +0100), ovpro@abacusline.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > > > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of > > loaders > > > and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc > > > > I would like to see such 'filters'. > > > > I'm just off to look at obtaining file format details for early Word support > (start small). I will keep you informed. Others are working on Word import. Duplication is wasted energy and resources. Perhaps those willing and capable should get together over bringing to market a Word import/export filter. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:43:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79781 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:43:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907496218:10:12093:17; Sun, 04 Oct 98 10:16:58 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123975; 4 Oct 98 10:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA06152 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:32:00 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06137 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:31:20 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPkWt-0007Ra-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:32:40 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:32:58 GMT Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:26:42 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Thu 1 Oct 98 (19:05:06 +0100), ovpro@abacusline.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of > > > loaders > > > > and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc > > > > > > I would like to see such 'filters'. > > > > > > > We at Ingenuity really do need such filters. As an ever growing design house > > we need to obtain constant support and the such like. > > > [snip] > > > Us too. We also require Word import/export facilities. In fact, it such a > basic need that we acquired Techwriter for this purpose. Unfortunately > there seems to be no way to exchange formatted material between Techwriter > and OvPro. I wonder if it is easier to do a Easiwriter to OPro filter than a Word to OPro. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:43:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79784 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:43:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907450985:20:20385:16; Sat, 03 Oct 98 21:43:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020344; 3 Oct 98 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA05209 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:28:45 +0100 Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05204 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:28:32 +0100 From: Received: from DavidLewin@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id JEJRa19215 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:28:39 EDT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Beebug news Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 163 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a message dated 28/09/98 10:52:38, you write: << > I have read in Acorn User that they where going > to close the retail side to > concentrate on mail order, AFAIK. A contradiction me thinks! Peter. >> The shop is now closed. Mail order is (AFAIK) still handled from the rooms behind the shop with a separate access in a side road. David Lewin Customer of and supplier to Beebug Living in St. Albans -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:43:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79786 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:43:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907450987:20:20400:17; Sat, 03 Oct 98 21:43:07 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127694; 3 Oct 98 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA05231 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:29:41 +0100 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05220 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:29:24 +0100 From: Received: from DavidLewin@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id JANCa22759 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:29:17 EDT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Beebug news Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 163 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a message dated 28/09/98 10:52:38, you write: << > I have read in Acorn User that they where going > to close the retail side to > concentrate on mail order, AFAIK. A contradiction me thinks! Peter. >> The shop is now closed. Mail order is (AFAIK) still handled from the rooms behind the shop with a separate access in a side road. David Lewin Customer of and supplier to Beebug Living in St. Albans -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:43:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79787 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:43:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907498693:10:01149:23; Sun, 04 Oct 98 10:58:13 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001109; 4 Oct 98 10:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA06545 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:30:16 +0100 Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06534 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:29:54 +0100 Received: from mbax8ss2.mcc.ac.uk (pm2-39.mcc.ac.uk [194.66.22.99]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id GAA23455 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:32:06 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <361725D2.A61A23C0@warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Oct, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Sam Smith wrote: > > > > On Sat 03 Oct, Dr A G Gray wrote: [snip] > > > Isn't there a way of just embedding a 'times 10' instruction > > > with just a single copy of the file? > > There is an application from someone which does this. > > > > It is from the same people who do the LJ Duplex printer. It is > > called BatchPrint and comes from Mijas software. I have version > > 2.00 dated 5th NOV 97. > > Warm Silence sell !FastSpool+, which lets you 'reprint last' as many > times as you like. This is a side-effect of its main purpose, which is > to spool files from !Printers for background printing as fast as the > machine can handle it, whilst giving control back much faster. I have > it on my icon bar at bootup, and recommend it quite happily. > > AFAICR, it's about GBP15+VAT. See http://www.wss.co.uk/ or phone > 0585 487642. The Mijas Solution is PD - so it costs nothing. Cheers Sam Smith "Friends of Phoebe" columist for Archive Magazine mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 11: I'd love to go out with you, but I'm converting my calendar watch from Julian to Gregorian. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:43:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79793 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:43:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907512049:10:03499:17; Sun, 04 Oct 98 14:40:49 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003441; 4 Oct 98 14:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA06990 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:19:43 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA06985 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:19:27 +0100 Received: from (193.149.92.13) [193.149.92.13] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zPp1l-000762-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:20:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(R.V. Hughes) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 4 Oct 98 (15:19:14 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: upside pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R A feind has found drawfiles etc, when loaded into a round frame are upside down,etc. AFAIK he is using v2.49. I have a nasty idea this has been discussed before, if so please excuse the repetition. TIA -- bob.hughes@argonet.co.uk R.V.HUGHES -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:43:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79795 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:43:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907512787:10:10967:16; Sun, 04 Oct 98 14:53:07 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108610; 4 Oct 98 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA07073 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:35:07 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA07065 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:34:45 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [194.69.102.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zPpGZ-0007Le-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:36:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:03:19 +0100 Message-ID: <488fbc7ce8rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <488fa33ed2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <488fa33ed2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <79735@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > I'm not sure why we keep having problems here. Any suggestions? > > Maybe if you've edited your templates file in the previous 2.46 and > > always have the 'newer' copy option set? > Probably. > I'd say a potential solution is to ask people to select force and newer, > but ensure that *you* produce files date stamped for the date you upload > the upgrade. Sound reasonable? I think that the problem is the two stages of the installation. Most people can cope with clicking on !Install, but then forget that you have to also copy the !OvnPro directory over the working copy. The anticipation is that Install has done it all for you. Perhaps the installer could have an obey file inside that did it for you. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:02 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79798 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:43:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907492504:20:28993:16; Sun, 04 Oct 98 09:15:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028967; 4 Oct 98 9:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA05953 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:55:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA05948 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:54:53 +0100 Received: from (193.149.92.20) [193.149.92.20] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zPjxY-0002KG-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:56:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 08:27:36 +0100 Message-ID: <488fa33ed2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <79735@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <79735@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I'm not sure why we keep having problems here. Any suggestions? > Maybe if you've edited your templates file in the previous 2.46 and > always have the 'newer' copy option set? Probably. I'd say a potential solution is to ask people to select force and newer, but ensure that *you* produce files date stamped for the date you upload the upgrade. Sound reasonable? * SteveP -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:10 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79804 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:44:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907527490:10:01494:17; Sun, 04 Oct 98 18:58:10 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127271; 4 Oct 98 18:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA07789 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:34:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA07784 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:34:28 +0100 Received: from (193.149.79.245) [193.149.79.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zPt0a-0003Nz-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:35:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 4 Oct 98 (17:46:50 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Pamphlet printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Am I doing something silly or is there something not quite right with pamphlet printing in OvationPro? Getting the correct pages onto the two sides of each sheet seems very complex. If I print just the front sides of the sheets then pick up that stack of pages and put them back into the printer and print the backs of each sheet then the backs and fronts do not match. Instead I have to shuffle the sheets of paper into the reverse order to print the backs. Couldn't OvationPro do this automatically. In other words, for a 12 page pamphlet when printing the fronts it should print pages: 12 1 10 3 8 5 then when printing the backs it should print pages: 6 7 4 9 2 11 Also it seems rather odd that if you tell it to print all pages rather than just the fronts or backs it does it in the order: 12 1 11 2 10 3 4 9 8 5 6 7 This does not allow you to only put 3 sheets of paper into the printer and then put them back in to print the other sides. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79806 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:44:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907496860:20:28796:16; Sun, 04 Oct 98 10:27:40 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028773; 4 Oct 98 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA06347 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:10:46 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06336 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:10:29 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 0zPl8i-0000ag-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:11:44 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:11:57 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 03 Oct, Alan Muscat wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Thu 1 Oct 98 (19:05:06 +0100), ovpro@abacusline.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of > > > loaders > > > > and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc > > > > > > I would like to see such 'filters'. > > > > > > > > I'm just off to look at obtaining file format details for early Word support > > (start small). I will keep you informed. > > Others are working on Word import. Duplication is wasted energy and > resources. Perhaps those willing and capable should get together > over bringing to market a Word import/export filter. Details of Word 6/7 and 8 binary formats are available from . A alpha version of my Word loader is available for download from Chris Johnson's OPro resources website - I basically released it to show that yes, something is being done wrt a Word loader. Currently it only handles Word 6/7; when I'm happy with how it handles those formats, Word 8 support looks fairly simple to build in too. I don't imagine my code will be any use to someone writing a Word saver, but if anyone is planning to have a go we might well be able to help each other with stuff like making sense of the appalling documentation. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79808 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:44:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907497289:20:01626:18; Sun, 04 Oct 98 10:34:49 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001481; 4 Oct 98 10:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA06143 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:31:27 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06127 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:31:08 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPkWg-0007RF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:32:27 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:20:00 GMT Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:19:42 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade Colour Supplement Message-ID: <29e558f48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <79632@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <79632@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >Me too. David, what sort of figure would we be talking about, to make it > >worth your while? > > I don't believe the money that could be raised would be enough to do the > work wanted - due to the small number of users. > > If by magic we could have x amount of money for n bug fixes/improvements, > all tightly specified and guaranteed then that would be worth consideration. > > Problem is it's likely to end up with one side or the other being disapointed. > > As I said the other day everything depends on the direction "Acorn" goes in > the next week or month. And its not just the usual thing of waiting forever. > Things are going to be decided soon. > > Once we can all see whats going to happen with Acorn, and once Beebug have > transformed themselves into their new business. Then I and Beebug are > going to have a serious discussion about the future of OPro. > I'll resolve the things like the RTF loader (qv) at the same time. Last time you spoke on the matter of improving OP you said your prioritites were to provided things such as local and 'remote' OPI as well as a few other important features. How were these improvements going before Black Thursday? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:31 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79813 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:44:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907535814:10:16994:16; Sun, 04 Oct 98 21:16:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112312; 4 Oct 98 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA08187 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:46:20 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08182 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:46:05 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPv3z-0002lS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:47:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:41:03 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Original Features of OPro? To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all/David Anyone else remember the promised facility of widow/orphan control in Ovation Pro on the flyers? This would be really useful, although I realise that we have had other features in its place. Should I keep everything crossed for it as a future feature, or can I unknot myself and look less like a Yogi? -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79815 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:44:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907512646:20:27163:16; Sun, 04 Oct 98 14:50:46 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027123; 4 Oct 98 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA07072 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:35:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA07061 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:34:43 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [194.69.102.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zPpGX-0007Le-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:36:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:58:45 +0100 Message-ID: <488fbc11fbrayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alan Muscat wrote: > > Us too. We also require Word import/export facilities. In fact, it > > such a basic need that we acquired Techwriter for this purpose. > > Unfortunately there seems to be no way to exchange formatted material > > between Techwriter and OvPro. > I wonder if it is easier to do a Easiwriter to OPro filter than a > Word to OPro. NO NO! I don't want to fork out for Easiwriter just so I can import Word files into Ovation Pro. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79814 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:44:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907536265:10:21236:17; Sun, 04 Oct 98 21:24:25 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021206; 4 Oct 98 21:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA08241 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:01:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA08236 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:00:49 +0100 Received: from (193.149.88.243) [193.149.88.243] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zPvIC-0006LN-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:02:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 4 Oct 98 (20:58:16 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA08237 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB08241 On Sun 4 Oct 98 (11:32:06 +0100), sams@techie.com wrote: > [snip] =20 > > Warm Silence sell !FastSpool+, which lets you 'reprint last' as many > > times as you like. This is a side-effect of its main purpose, which > > AFAICR, it's about GBP15+VAT. See http://www.wss.co.uk/ or phone > > 0585 487642. > The Mijas Solution is PD - so it costs nothing. That may have been so in an earlier version, but *if* I recall correctly,= the version I have (2.02, 2/4/98) cost =A310 a few months ago. Dave D --=20 __ =20 _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| =20 Real address as above Certified No42 in the Phoebe queue = =20 =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79818 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:44:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907522784:20:18695:33; Sun, 04 Oct 98 17:39:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018622; 4 Oct 98 17:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA07524 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:22:44 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07519 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:22:32 +0100 Received: from [158.152.89.120] (helo=snave.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPrsy-0004KA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:23:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 15:55:39 +0100 Message-ID: <488fcc4403jack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Upgrade Colour Supplement In-Reply-To: <79632@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >Me too. David, what sort of figure would we be talking about, to make > >it worth your while? > I don't believe the money that could be raised would be enough to do > the work wanted - due to the small number of users. > If by magic we could have x amount of money for n bug > fixes/improvements, all tightly specified and guaranteed then that > would be worth consideration. > Problem is it's likely to end up with one side or the other being > disapointed. > As I said the other day everything depends on the direction "Acorn" > goes in the next week or month. And its not just the usual thing of > waiting forever. Things are going to be decided soon. They have to be - the longer the delay, the greater the probability of interest and support evaporating. > Once we can all see whats going to happen with Acorn, and once Beebug > have transformed themselves into their new business. Then I and Beebug > are going to have a serious discussion about the future of OPro. I'll > resolve the things like the RTF loader (qv) at the same time. Even if Phoebe sinks - a crime against humanity - we must somehow keep OPro alive and developing. I'm willing to put my hand in my pocket on an annual or any other suitable basis. > David Pilling - without whom so much in the Acorn world would not have been achieved. -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79819 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:44:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907538025:10:06579:20; Sun, 04 Oct 98 21:53:45 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108213; 4 Oct 98 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA08297 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:09:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA08292 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:09:41 +0100 Received: from (193.149.82.104) [193.149.82.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zPvQp-0006hs-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:11:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Paul) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 4 Oct 98 22:10:57 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Rob, I use pamphlet printing a lot although I hasten to add I'm no expert. For the first run click 'All pages' Click 'Back' Click 'reverse' Click 'Print' Once printed pick up the pages as they are and place them back in the printer with the narrow side away from you going in first. Click 'front'. Click 'Print' Once printed, pick up and fold in half......you've got a pamphlet! For the title page, leave the setting as it is, type out you title and print. Hope that helps although I have yet to work out how to print off the 'odd page' from the middle of a pamphlet. Paul -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79822 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:44:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907542789:10:20521:16; Sun, 04 Oct 98 23:13:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100437; 4 Oct 98 23:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA08660 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:52:37 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08655 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:52:21 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.100.76]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA22839 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:54:53 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:56:09 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Printing Problem To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone else experienced the following and is there a way to resolve the problem without rebooting? I opened a pro forma OvPro document, a fax message header with several graphic frames in it. I composed my message and started the print process. Within a second I noticed a word was wrong and hit escape to stop the printing process. Once I had corrected the message I sought to print it. None of the text was printed but all the graphic frames were! I use a LaserDirect LBP8 with version 2.5 of OvPro and version 1.53 of !Printers. Any clues as to what happened? I saved the document, closed down, switched off and rebooted. Everything worked fine. Can the quirk be remedied other than by switching off? -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:44:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79823 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:44:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907530431:20:23539:16; Sun, 04 Oct 98 19:47:11 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023238; 4 Oct 98 19:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA08000 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:32:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA07995 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:32:04 +0100 Received: from (193.149.89.185) [193.149.89.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zPtuL-0004QM-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:33:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 4 Oct 98 (09:22:50 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 3 Oct 98 (16:57:13), alan.gray@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I usually print in batches, so set, from the print dialogue, 10 copies. > > The ensuing file is now 410k. ie 10 individual copies are stored. And > it takes 10 times as long :-( > > Isn't there a way of just embedding a 'times 10' instruction with just > a single copy of the file? The method I use is to print to file (I have a separate printer icon always ready for this), then print via !BatchPrnt from Mijas Software, email mijassw@argonet.co.uk, tel: 01962 774352. This program simply forms a print queue from one copy of the file, thereby avoiding the delays and letting you get back to using the computer. You can set the number of copies into hundreds if you like. The version I have is 2.02 which is only a few months old. HTH Dave D -- __ _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| Real address as above Certified No42 in the Phoebe queue -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:45:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79831 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:45:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907571765:10:07868:16; Mon, 05 Oct 98 07:16:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109589; 5 Oct 98 7:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA09315 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:57:36 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA09309 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:57:20 +0100 Received: from [158.152.217.190] (helo=necpwa.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQ4aB-0004MB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:57:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:57:32 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Simons Subject: Re: Printing Problem To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: NECPWA, York. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Oct, John Waddell wrote: > Has anyone else experienced the following and is there a way to resolve the > problem without rebooting? > > I opened a pro forma OvPro document, a fax message header with several > graphic frames in it. > > I composed my message and started the print process. > > Within a second I noticed a word was wrong and hit escape to stop the > printing process. > > Once I had corrected the message I sought to print it. > > None of the text was printed but all the graphic frames were! > > I use a LaserDirect LBP8 with version 2.5 of OvPro and version 1.53 of > !Printers. > > Any clues as to what happened? > > I saved the document, closed down, switched off and rebooted. Everything > worked fine. Can the quirk be remedied other than by switching off? > > I have had this problem but the problem lies with Laser Direct and not OPro. I haven't found a way around it yet. -- Tony Simons North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:45:26 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79842 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:45:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907579254:20:17830:19; Mon, 05 Oct 98 09:20:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017453; 5 Oct 98 9:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA09635 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:59:49 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09630 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:59:34 +0100 Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user184.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.116]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25729 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:59:37 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:45:47 +0100 Message-ID: <48902e3c02marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic In-Reply-To: <488A07D81C%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 23 Sep, Chris Manning wrote: > In message <48897af06amarteng@intonet.co.uk> > Marten Gallagher wrote: > > OvPro has decided that Black.Oblique is the Italic face whn I click on the > > Italic icon. > > The actual Italic face is Oblique - which happens to be at the bottom > > of the face picking list. > > Anyone know how I tell OPro which one I really want associated with > > Italic? > By putting it at the top of the list? It seems that OPro more-or-less > searches from the top of the list looking for the first occurrences of > 'bold', 'oblique',... > Here are my Messages1 entries for GylesSans - > Font_GylesSans:Gill-Sans.........[snip] What exactly is a 'Messages1' entry? I'm trying to sort this out but it seems I'm a lonely voice and hardly any one else has this problem - or.... Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:45:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79843 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:45:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907585778:10:20882:27; Mon, 05 Oct 98 11:09:38 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020648; 5 Oct 98 11:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA10273 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:44:43 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10268 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:44:19 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-29.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.89]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA28526 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:43:53 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:11:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Oct, Paul wrote: > Hope that helps although I have yet to work out how to print off the 'odd > page' from the middle of a pamphlet. Click on Print Setup at the bottom of the dialogue box and it expands. You'll find Print Sheet on the bottom. tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:45:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79844 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:45:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907580422:20:01302:18; Mon, 05 Oct 98 09:40:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000987; 5 Oct 98 9:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09746 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:21:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA09741 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:21:28 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.86.139] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zQ6pg-0005RJ-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:21:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation mail list Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:10:48 +0100 Message-ID: <48902b0927rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tony Simons wrote: [snipped problem of text not printing] > > I use a LaserDirect LBP8 with version 2.5 of OvPro and version 1.53 of > > !Printers. > > > > Any clues as to what happened? > > > > I saved the document, closed down, switched off and rebooted. > > Everything worked fine. Can the quirk be remedied other than by > > switching off? > > > > I have had this problem but the problem lies with Laser Direct and not > OPro. I haven't found a way around it yet. I have had several problems printing with Laser Direct from Ovation Pro and turning off RAM printing usually helps. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:45:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79846 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:45:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907581666:20:15253:17; Mon, 05 Oct 98 10:01:06 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015002; 5 Oct 98 10:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09851 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:38:34 +0100 Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09843 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:38:19 +0100 Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA32346 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:38:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA04665; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:37:18 +0100 Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3249) id <01J2LX4NDWDS0001MO@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:37:17 +0100 (BST) Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:23:25 +0100 (BST) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:23:25 +0100 (BST) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:23:33 +0100 (BST) Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:37:15 +0100 (BST) Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:23:25 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing To: ovation mailinglist Message-Id: <7925231005101998/A00875/CAUV40/11CA2A971200*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11CA2A971200 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;7925231005101998/A00875/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rob > Am I doing something silly or is there something not quite right with pamphlet > printing in OvationPro? > > Getting the correct pages onto the two sides of each sheet seems very complex. > If I print just the front sides of the sheets then pick up that stack of pages > and put them back into the printer and print the backs of each sheet then the > backs and fronts do not match. Instead I have to shuffle the sheets of paper > into the reverse order to print the backs. Couldn't OvationPro do this > automatically. > The order depends on your printer - if it stacks paper face up, it usually also stacks in reverse order, e.g. Canon BJ printers. In this case, you simply re-insert the paper and print the other side. If the printer stacks in correct order, you need to select reverse for one of the print runs. (I do get confused when printing part of a run. To get one sheet, you need to open up the dialog box fully - use the setup button, then select Print Sheet. The obvious way is to use Range of Pages instead. This doesn't produce what I usually want - it often returns with "Nothing to Print". On the other hand if you want to print the first 16 pages of a longer document as a 16 page pamphlet, range of pages does seem to work.) > In other words, for a 12 page pamphlet when printing the fronts it should print > pages: > > 12 1 > 10 3 > 8 5 > > then when printing the backs it should print pages: > > 6 7 > 4 9 > 2 11 > > Also it seems rather odd that if you tell it to print all pages rather than > just the fronts or backs it does it in the order: > > 12 1 > 11 2 > 10 3 > 4 9 > 8 5 > 6 7 > I often use all pages - The print order is actually logical - it prints the sheet containing page 1, then 2, then 3, etc up to half the highest page. ^^^^^^^^^^ Your second line above should be 2 11 by the way. > This does not allow you to only put 3 sheets of paper into the printer and then > put them back in to print the other sides. > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Rob Hemmings Southport > Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:45:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79847 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:45:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907588047:10:19686:17; Mon, 05 Oct 98 11:47:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125230; 5 Oct 98 11:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA10493 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:26:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10459 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:26:31 +0100 Received: from [194.222.45.155] (helo=ilfprep) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQ8md-0004wd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:26:32 +0000 From:(Ovation Pro) Message-ID: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: HTML References: <79702@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:24:47 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Nor can you drag an HTML file and drop in on O-Pro! I find this a > nuisance! If you use !UNHTML with the format set to impression, provided you have the DDF filter loaded, you can drop the output straight into OvPro. --------------------------------------------------------------------- >From Terry Worton Tel: 0181-599 8822 x24 Ilford Preparatory School Fax: 0181-597 2797 Carnegie Buildings Email: sysadmin@ilfprep.demon.co.uk 785 High Road, Seven Kings Ilford, Essex, IG3 8RR, England --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:45:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79848 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:45:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907589025:10:02076:24; Mon, 05 Oct 98 12:03:45 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001399; 5 Oct 98 12:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA10641 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:42:24 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10634 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:42:10 +0100 Received: from [194.222.45.155] (helo=ilfprep) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQ91l-0002Q0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:42:09 +0000 From:(Ovation Pro) Message-ID: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing References: Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:37:40 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Instead I have to shuffle the sheets of paper into the reverse order > to print the backs. Print the front, put the sheets back in and click on 'reverse' and 'back', then it prints with no problem --------------------------------------------------------------------- >From Terry Worton Tel: 0181-599 8822 x24 Ilford Preparatory School Fax: 0181-597 2797 Carnegie Buildings Email: sysadmin@ilfprep.demon.co.uk 785 High Road, Seven Kings Ilford, Essex, IG3 8RR, England --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:45:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79849 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:45:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907581723:20:15842:18; Mon, 05 Oct 98 10:02:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123541; 5 Oct 98 10:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09886 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:03 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09879 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:41:43 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-29.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.89]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA26957 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:41:16 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:50:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On ?, Rob Hemmings wrote: > Am I doing something silly or is there something not quite right with > pamphlet printing in OvationPro? > > Getting the correct pages onto the two sides of each sheet seems very > complex. If I print just the front sides of the sheets then pick up that > stack of pages and put them back into the printer and print the backs of > each sheet then the backs and fronts do not match. Instead I have to > shuffle the sheets of paper into the reverse order to print the backs. > Couldn't OvationPro do this automatically. It does when you click on the Reverse button (underneath the Right page button in the print dialogue box). In the manual, I suspect. > Also it seems rather odd that if you tell it to print all pages rather than > just the fronts or backs it does it in the order: > > 12 1, 11 2, 10 3, 4 9, 8 5, 6 7 > > This does not allow you to only put 3 sheets of paper into the printer and > then put them back in to print the other sides. Well, you did tell it to print *all* pages ;-) Seems logical to me that if you only want to print a front or back, and then fiddle around with the paper a bit before printing the other half, then you say please print just the front or back (left/right). Printing from anything has always struck me as a bit of an arcane art. You're never quite sure exactly what's going to come out. I must say though, that I've had better results from OP than just about anything else. A printer out here runs a 600dpi duplex ps laser among others. A recipe for disaster. Not wanting to be picky, but Publisher has never been able to do more than single sides on it. Anyway. Pamphlet, lots of copies, *print all*, collate, GO!. (whiirrrr, click, flop, suck, whiiirrr, cachuckka ditto) I'm still pinching myself. A perfect performance. One senses the presence of the divine. tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:46:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79859 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:46:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907609676:10:13990:17; Mon, 05 Oct 98 17:47:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103922; 5 Oct 98 17:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA11868 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:22:07 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA11863 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:21:54 +0100 Received: from (193.149.78.237) [193.149.78.237] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zQEKf-0005hR-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:22:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:39:47 +0100 Message-ID: <4890283256bric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File In-Reply-To: <361725D2.A61A23C0@warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <361725D2.A61A23C0@warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks wrote: [snip] > Warm Silence sell !FastSpool+, which lets you 'reprint last' as > many times as you like. This is a side-effect of its main purpose, > which is to spool files from !Printers for background printing as > fast as the machine can handle it, whilst giving control back much > faster. I have it on my icon bar at bootup, and recommend it quite > happily. I strongly endorse this recommendation. FastSpool+ can be set up very flexibly to improve overall printing performance and the multiple copies feature is a useful bonus. At the request of myself and a few other users an enhanced version is now in beta-test which will give greater control over the printing of additional copies. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:46:06 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79860 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:46:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907590013:20:21088:17; Mon, 05 Oct 98 12:20:13 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126391; 5 Oct 98 12:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA10744 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:59:28 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10738 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:59:15 +0100 Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J2M4F43UB40004EY@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:05:43 GMT +0100 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:57:27 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <98c93f9048%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Rob Hemmings wrote: > Am I doing something silly or is there something not quite right with > pamphlet printing in OvationPro? > > Getting the correct pages onto the two sides of each sheet seems very > complex. If I print just the front sides of the sheets then pick up > that stack of pages and put them back into the printer and print the > backs of each sheet then the backs and fronts do not match. Instead > I have to shuffle the sheets of paper into the reverse order to print > the backs. Couldn't OvationPro do this automatically. > > In other words, for a 12 page pamphlet when printing the fronts it > should print pages: > [snip] > > This does not allow you to only put 3 sheets of paper into the printer and then > put them back in to print the other sides. > Pamphlet printing is quite a complex business. It depends on the printer, the papersettings, and if you want 1,2,4,8 pages/paper (eg a4/a5/a6) If I understand you right, you want to print A4 pages on A4 papers. Well if you have a printer which turns the paper during printing, eg an HP then do this: Set it all up correctly ;-) |-watch the Scale, you want 100% i think |-watch the Sideways, only usefull when you want to scale A4 down to A5 and print 4 A5s on an A4 Then you print 1st the front, you wait till the prints are all printed, you get the prints, put the latest print on the bottom with the printed side on top , the one before the latest on the latest etcetc: 4\ /1 3 \_/ 2 2 / \ 3 1/ \4 Put the prints back in the printer, with the printed side on top, be carefull: the paper must be put that way that the top of the page gets 1st in the printer. Then you print the back Watch out!!!!!!!!1 This works only for "turning" printers (hp) and only for A4toA4-pamphlet When you have 2-A5toA4 pamphlets it is slightly different, meil me if you want to know. Wheh you have a "non-turning" printer, eg Cannon, Epson it is also different but i don't know about that. When no-one else can help you with that I can think about it and (maybe) help you I hope that what I'm saying is understandable and not complete bollox ;-) greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 19:46:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79862 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:46:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907590092:20:21917:16; Mon, 05 Oct 98 12:21:32 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021432; 5 Oct 98 12:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA10771 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:00:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA10764 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:00:42 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.166) [193.130.250.166] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zQ9Jn-00005I-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:00:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and print) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:25:15 +0100 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: HTML Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAA10765 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAB10771 As we detailed, our sister company Levens Software is working on HTMLPro,= which is capable of translating a document 'out' of OvationPro. We have= a very rough working import filter at the minute. This will be fully wr= itten over the next months, depending on how well HTMLPro goes. The cost= of the HTML import filter for OvationPro will be around the =A325 mark (= single user). Discounts will be made available for purchasers of HTMLPro. It will allow drag'n'drop of HTML files into OvationPro. Allowing you to= just strip the text if you want or actually import the whole document. Benji Levens Ingenuity/Levens Software --=20 _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 22:44:54 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79914 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 22:44:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907618187:10:11288:16; Mon, 05 Oct 98 20:09:47 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125509; 5 Oct 98 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA12341 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:31:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12328 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:30:34 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQGLD-00070J-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:30:44 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:22:18 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Sorry... To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Sorry- I just browsed the existing macros and icons. The answer is out there... It is also in the manual. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 22:45:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79920 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 22:45:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907614137:20:25526:31; Mon, 05 Oct 98 19:02:17 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025475; 5 Oct 98 19:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA12160 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:40:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA12155 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:39:45 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.65) [193.149.77.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zQFY2-0007Fg-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:39:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 5 Oct 98 (19:07:54 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for the large volume of help with this one. It seems what I was looking for was the Reverse button (I should have RTFM as I had a dim and obviously wrong memory that this printed mirror images of the pages!) The trouble is you get used to it working in one way with Impression but I think (having now understood it) that the OvationPro options actually give you more choice, although it requires a bit more thought to use correctly. By the way I find the print margins are OK so long as I click on the Fit button. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 22:45:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79925 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 22:45:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907618897:20:28395:19; Mon, 05 Oct 98 20:21:37 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114724; 5 Oct 98 20:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA12342 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:31:14 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12332 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:30:38 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQGLG-00070J-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:30:47 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:05:04 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Options... View Info Palette macro To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all There is a tool in the toobox with a macro for showing or hiding the toolbox. It has the following macro: {settools(!gettools()} Is it possible to change this so that it shows or hides the INFO Palette instead? MTIA PS Wish I knew more about Macros... maybe I should have paid more attention and gone to computer club at secondary school... ten BBCs shoved into a long dark, thin room between two classrooms, only used at lunchtimes. Can't think why I didn't see the appeal looking back... -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 23:14:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79939 for opro ; Mon, 05 Oct 98 23:14:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907625502:10:22677:17; Mon, 05 Oct 98 22:11:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118928; 5 Oct 98 22:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA12693 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:51:57 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12688 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:51:42 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQIXm-0000B5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:51:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 98 20:07:31 GMT Message-Id: <79876@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Isn't there a way of just embedding a 'times 10' instruction with just a single >copy of the file? Not with Acorns bit map drivers. If you use CC drivers or PostScript you'll see it only renders once. However if you ask an Acorn bit map driver to do this, you end up being told to render the page 10 times. This is doubly stupid because current !Printers do all the spooling to file anyway. Anyway I would recommend the PD !Spooler (which I seem to have shares in) Available from; http:\\www.Duesseldorf.netsurf\~fhertel David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 02:12:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79940 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 02:12:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907627782:10:25499:17; Mon, 05 Oct 98 22:49:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119760; 5 Oct 98 22:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA12766 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:16:34 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12753 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:16:03 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQIvN-0003S4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:16:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 98 23:05:46 GMT Message-Id: <79935@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade Colour Supplement X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Last time you spoke on the matter of improving OP you said your >prioritites were to provided things such as local and 'remote' >OPI as well as a few other important features. How were these >improvements going before Black Thursday? They wern't going at all. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 02:12:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79941 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 02:12:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907628921:20:08157:16; Mon, 05 Oct 98 23:08:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109287; 5 Oct 98 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA12763 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:16:26 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12748 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:16:00 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQIvL-0003S4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:16:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 98 23:03:30 GMT Message-Id: <79933@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: upside pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A feind has found drawfiles etc, when loaded into a round frame are upside >down,etc. AFAIK he is using v2.49. I have a nasty idea this has been discussed >before, if so please excuse the repetition. The feindish reply is that it's the old stuff with CC Turbo/Laser direct printer drivers. You have to insert the CCPrFix script in the !OvnPro.Library directory. The latest version is on the Beebug web site, and there are some notes supplied with OPro which explain all this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 02:12:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79943 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 02:12:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907629468:20:14598:18; Mon, 05 Oct 98 23:17:48 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014498; 5 Oct 98 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA12943 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:57:16 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12938 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:57:04 +0100 Received: from [158.152.51.151] (helo=obanphys.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQJZ6-0006Az-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:57:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan H Partridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:55:22 +0100 Message-ID: <48907c056fperdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File In-Reply-To: <79876@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <79876@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > Anyway I would recommend the PD !Spooler (which I seem to have shares in) > Available from; > http:\\www.Duesseldorf.netsurf\~fhertel which is the URL in Spooler's help file, but it's probably better to try : http://www.duesseldorf.netsurf.de/~fhertel/ Cheers, Alan. -- Alan H Partridge, Physics Department, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 02:12:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79944 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 02:12:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907629795:20:18444:28; Mon, 05 Oct 98 23:23:15 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129503; 5 Oct 98 23:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA12767 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:16:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12757 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:16:07 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQIvQ-0003S4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:16:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 98 23:11:56 GMT Message-Id: <79937@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What exactly is a 'Messages1' entry? >I'm trying to sort this out but it seems I'm a lonely voice and hardly any >one else has this problem - or.... Its a text file you insert inside !Fonts which allows you to alias font names. The place I would look is the RISC OS programmers reference manual. Could be in the (mere) users documentation too. We have discussed it here in the past, so a scan through the archives would reveal more info. You've got to get it exactly right too, or else the machine crashes on booting... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 13:49:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79956 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 13:49:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907655631:10:13339:16; Tue, 06 Oct 98 06:33:51 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013301; 6 Oct 98 6:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA13755 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:16:23 +0100 Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA13750 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:16:11 +0100 Received: from clive.holland.btinternet.com [195.99.55.162] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zQQOk-0002x5-00; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:15:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:05:57 +0100 (BST) From: Clive Holland Subject: Upgrade 2.49 to 2.50 To: Ovation Mail List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Morning, The Beebug site for the 2.50 upgrade quotes it as a 2.46 to 2.50 upgrade. Can you use this upgrade to upgrade 2.49 to 2.50? Or is there another upgrade? Thanks -- Clive clive.holland@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 13:49:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79958 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 13:49:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907639445:20:08042:16; Tue, 06 Oct 98 02:04:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007887; 6 Oct 98 2:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA13485 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:41:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA13472 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:41:14 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQM7x-0002Et-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:41:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 02:17:35 GMT Message-Id: <79950@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with Characters Font in OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Oh, and the font works perfectly on my machine, so 'dodgy font' is not >the answer. I wonder if we get a prize for defeating you all... Anyway one more bit of info which has come to light. The font has no outlines in it, just x90y45 (bitmap) files. One thing is that these won't render with any sort of transformation, e.g. in a rotated frame. I would assume that is a limitation of the RISC OS font manager. So, a frame or text with a tiny non-zero angle would explain things. But I'm told this is not the explanation, so the hunt goes on. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 13:49:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79959 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 13:49:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907665303:10:21196:18; Tue, 06 Oct 98 09:15:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121051; 6 Oct 98 9:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA14294 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:57:20 +0100 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA14289 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:57:09 +0100 Received: from darprint.btinternet.com [195.99.51.150] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zQSs3-0004dQ-00; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:53:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: Ovation Pro Support Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:59:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4890addeb8darprint@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Options... View Info Palette macro In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , P Hutton wrote: > PS Wish I knew more about Macros... maybe I should have paid more > attention and gone to computer club at secondary school... ten BBCs > shoved into a long dark, thin room between two classrooms, only used at > lunchtimes. Can't think why I didn't see the appeal looking back... Oh how I associate with this comment. I've always felt that I could get much more out of OvPro if only I knew enough about writing and understanding macros. Is there any documentation on producing them? Regards Roger Mayne -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 13:49:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79962 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 13:49:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907656539:20:05096:16; Tue, 06 Oct 98 06:48:59 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005035; 6 Oct 98 6:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA13813 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:32:24 +0100 Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk (pat.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA13808 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:32:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 9866 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1998 06:32:28 -0000 Received: from amos.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.36) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 06:32:28 -0000 Received: from ppp11-annex.bath.ac.uk by amos.bath.ac.uk id aa10330; 6 Oct 98 7:32 BST From: Martin Devon Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:48:30 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite 2.00b24/Acorn RISC OS X-Organization: Stonar School Wiltshire UK 44 (0)1225 702309 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon, 05 Oct, Tony Simons wrote: > On Sun 04 Oct, John Waddell wrote: > > Has anyone else experienced the following and is there a way to resolve > the > problem without rebooting? > > > > I opened a pro forma OvPro document, a fax message header with several > > graphic frames in it. > > > > I composed my message and started the print process. > > > > Within a second I noticed a word was wrong and hit escape to stop the > > printing process. > > > > Once I had corrected the message I sought to print it. > > > > None of the text was printed but all the graphic frames were! > > > > I use a LaserDirect LBP8 with version 2.5 of OvPro and version 1.53 of > > !Printers. > > > > Any clues as to what happened? > > > > I saved the document, closed down, switched off and rebooted. Everything > > worked fine. Can the quirk be remedied other than by switching off? > > > > I have had this problem but the problem lies with Laser Direct and not > OPro. I haven't found a way around it yet. > Have you tried going to the print queue, pause it to stop the printer, delete the contents of the queue and resume the queue? It works in a network context and I presume it's the same stand-alone. But a substantial amount of data will have reached the printer by the time you have realised there's something wrong, so you will often get a part-printed page. Martin Devon Stonar School -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 13:49:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79964 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 13:49:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907661881:20:08015:16; Tue, 06 Oct 98 08:18:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127719; 6 Oct 98 8:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA14114 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:00:05 +0100 Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14109 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:59:51 +0100 Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA28587 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:00:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA21174; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:59:02 +0100 Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3249) id <01J2N800AYN400037Z@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:58:57 +0100 (BST) Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:55:11 +0100 (BST) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:55:11 +0100 (BST) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:58:47 +0100 (BST) Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:58:49 +0100 (BST) Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:55:11 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Re: Future for Archive In-Reply-To: To: ovation mailinglist Message-Id: <9311550806101998/A00295/CAUV40/11CA32370A00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11CA32370A00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;9311550806101998/A00295/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Roger wrote: > > But Ovation Pro is a DTP package, not a word processor. If I want to do > DTP I'll use a DTP program (the combination of Edit and Draw comes under > this heading!), but for a simple letter (or a 50 report) I would much > rather use a real word processor. > > Roger I agree that you need a package designed for your needs. I used EasiWriter for a couple of years to produce a newsletter, and I very quickly realised that I was trying to do things it wasn't designed to do. As an example, I wanted a page of two column text, with a photo the full width of the page. The only was to do that was to create two 2-column sections with a single column section between them for the photo, then position the photo by cutting and pasting the text between the text sections. However, if I was writing a book and I wanted style to flow through chapters consistently etc, Easiwriter would be the better product. For my needs, OPro is far superior. Alan Adams. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 15:42:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79987 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 15:42:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907681442:20:01610:26; Tue, 06 Oct 98 13:44:02 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116311; 6 Oct 98 13:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA15041 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:24:18 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15026 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:23:49 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQX5y-0007aX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:24:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 14:07:40 GMT Message-Id: <79970@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade 2.49 to 2.50 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >The Beebug site for the 2.50 upgrade quotes it as a 2.46 to 2.50 >upgrade. Can you use this upgrade to upgrade 2.49 to 2.50? Or is there >another upgrade? NO! You have to set off from 2.46. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 15:42:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79988 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 15:42:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907681510:20:02745:17; Tue, 06 Oct 98 13:45:10 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002106; 6 Oct 98 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA15043 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:24:28 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15031 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:23:56 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQX62-0007aX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:24:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 14:08:47 GMT Message-Id: <79972@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Options... View Info Palette macro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Oh how I associate with this comment. I've always felt that I could get >much more out of OvPro if only I knew enough about writing and >understanding macros. Is there any documentation on producing them? Yes, the OvationPro manual. You might also try the series of articles in Risc User recently. However I suspect this is one of those things where you don't need a book, you need the inclination and to be able to think like a programmer. One way of learning is to take an existing macro and play with it, make small changes and see what the effects are. Programming is something you learn by experience, rather than from books. A bit like riding a bike. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 15:42:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79989 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 15:42:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907681704:20:05390:16; Tue, 06 Oct 98 13:48:24 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004438; 6 Oct 98 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA15045 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:24:40 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15036 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:24:06 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQX6H-0007aX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:24:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 14:20:12 GMT Message-Id: <79976@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This doesn't produce what I usually want - it often returns with "Nothing >to Print". That is a bug (bit strong, more a "problem") with the Imposition scripts. I believe the latest version fixes it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 16:08:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79995 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 16:08:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907686463:10:12558:19; Tue, 06 Oct 98 15:07:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107262; 6 Oct 98 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA15640 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:44:00 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15635 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:43:48 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQYLM-0001Om-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:44:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 15:37:59 GMT Message-Id: <79984@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with Characters Font in OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Anyway one more bit of info which has come to light. The font >has no outlines in it, just x90y45 (bitmap) files. >One thing is that these won't render with any sort of transformation, >e.g. in a rotated frame. I would assume that is a limitation of the >RISC OS font manager. Too late! We solved it, as well as not rendering when rotated or skewed, bit map fonts also don't seem to work when scaled. Now scaling occurs if the OPro window is zoomed. There are various techniques for how to display zoomed fonts. The old Ovation changed the font managers base scale. For all I know Impression just changes the font size. OPro hower plots via a transformation matrix. Anyway, for future reference if fonts vanish mysteriously, check they are not bit maps and that you're using 100% zoom. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 18:33:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79998 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 18:33:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907691317:10:15802:16; Tue, 06 Oct 98 16:28:37 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125288; 6 Oct 98 16:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA15973 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:06:16 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA15968 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:05:50 +0100 Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.ucs.de [194.77.123.114]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA29232 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:05:57 +0200 Message-Id: <199810061605.SAA29232@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 06 Oct 1998 09:17:35 GMT Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >On 23 Sep, Chris Manning wrote: >> In message <48897af06amarteng@intonet.co.uk> >> Marten Gallagher wrote: > >> > OvPro has decided that Black.Oblique is the Italic face whn I click on the >> > Italic icon. > >> > The actual Italic face is Oblique - which happens to be at the bottom >> > of the face picking list. > >> > Anyone know how I tell OPro which one I really want associated with >> > Italic? > >> By putting it at the top of the list? It seems that OPro more-or-less >> searches from the top of the list looking for the first occurrences of >> 'bold', 'oblique',... > >> Here are my Messages1 entries for GylesSans - > >> Font_GylesSans:Gill-Sans.........[snip] > >What exactly is a 'Messages1' entry? > >I'm trying to sort this out but it seems I'm a lonely voice and hardly any >one else has this problem - or.... > The Messages1 file within Your font-application allows You to map beautiful (more than 10 chars long) Names to RISC OS font-filenames. A section of a Messages1 file might look like this: LFont_RotisSeSan.Light:Rotis Semisans.45 Light LFont_RotisSeSan.Light.Italic:Rotis Semisans.46 Light Italic LFont_RotisSeSan:Rotis Semisans.55 Regular* LFont_RotisSeSan.Italic:Rotis Semisans.56 Italic LFont_RotisSeSan.Bold:Rotis Semisans.65 Bold LFont_RotisSeSan.ExtraBold:Rotis Semisans.75 Extra Bold The colon separates RISC OS name and new name. The star indicates the 'default' font (to be used if the parent name was clicked). Please note that when we went through the rigmarole of creating these files for our fonts (anno '94) we found that the then printer driver got PostScript font downloads wrong, using Courier whenever running into a mapped font. This lead to a very expensive mis-print. A bug-report to Acorn seemingly went to null: and we have since then abstained from using the Messages1 feature. We have no idea if current versions of the printer driver still exhibit this problem. If You intend to use Messages1 and print to PostScript You should check the output carefully before going to the printers! Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 18:43:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80000 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 18:43:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907688652:20:04414:20; Tue, 06 Oct 98 15:44:12 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003803; 6 Oct 98 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA15747 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:20:06 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15742 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:19:54 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zQYuH-0007LQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:20:09 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:20:23 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: EndNotes 3.02 To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just uploaded version 3.02 of EndNotes to my website. This version allows each story to have its own set of notes (previous versions allowed only one set of notes per document, and their behaviour was undefined if you attempted to have two stories containing notes). This version is also supplied with an enhanced bookmarks manager which replaces !Bookmark, which allows EndNotes to hide its bookmarks from the bookmark lists, and handles deletion of bookmarks when the text containing them is deleted. I will shortly also release my cross reference manager applet - I have to write some documentation for it first. I expect EndNotes 3.02 will percolate to Chris Johnson's Ovation Pro resources site fairly soon. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 22:14:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80027 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 22:14:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907706409:20:24918:17; Tue, 06 Oct 98 20:40:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121190; 6 Oct 98 20:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16509 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:18:53 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16347 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:21:02 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQbjc-0002xX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:21:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 18:57:21 GMT Message-Id: <80012@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Have you tried going to the print queue, pause it to stop the printer, >delete the contents of the queue and resume the queue? Of course hitting Escape should work. However I suspect clicking on "Cancel" is a more gentle way of stopping things. "Cancel" can only take effect when the program is polling, Escape on the other hand goes off in the middle of the printing code (either in OPro or the printer driver). For "Cancel" to work, you do of course have to have OPro set up to poll whilst printing - printmode 0. But if you're using CC drivers thats probably as good a mode to be in as any. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 22:14:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80029 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 22:14:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907707836:20:14906:16; Tue, 06 Oct 98 21:03:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104713; 6 Oct 98 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16598 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:48:41 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA16593 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:48:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 22357 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1998 20:48:51 -0000 Received: from c16-243.eurobell.co.uk (HELO nick1.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.16.243) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 20:48:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:00:54 +0100 (BST) From: NEdgar Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 01 Oct, Ian Goulbourne wrote: > In on Wed 30 Sep, Alan Muscat wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > Have you used the 'opposition'? You see part of what makes OP great > > is Risc OS. Port OP to the PC and it just won't be as good. But if > > everything does go down the pan then I guess I'd like to be using > > OP on the PC. > I seem to have started a busy topic! > > Yes, I use PC's in work and the PC card at home. My children are > expected to use "Word" for their IT projects . > I don't know whether it is me, but I find Word *so* clunky. Things I do > in a few secs on OP take ages - even then things don't seem quite right. > Submarining cursurs on a laptop, the inability of word to recognize > certain file types, problems with images, greeking of letters at small > point size - where do I stop? > > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of loaders > and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc > Absolutely - apart from anything else the screen display, especially the way PCs deal with fonts is so appalling. How can anyone do any serious DTP when they cannot see accurately on screen what is happening? -- Nick Edgar nedgar@eurobell,co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 22:14:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80030 for opro ; Tue, 06 Oct 98 22:14:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907708019:20:17424:20; Tue, 06 Oct 98 21:06:59 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017265; 6 Oct 98 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16614 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:50:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA16609 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:50:03 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQe3s-0000Uz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:50:25 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:08:07 GMT Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:07:48 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Options... View Info Palette macro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Dear all > > There is a tool in the toobox with a macro for showing or hiding the > toolbox. It has the following macro: > {settools(!gettools()} > > Is it possible to change this so that it shows or hides the INFO Palette > instead? > I have converted the tools button to show/hide both tools and info palette simultaneously just by copying the macro for the info palette into writable area for the tools palette but keeping the tools macro in their too. So that's two macros in one writable area. If you do this it is wise to then disable the info palette macro. I much prefer the way it works now and it's one less button on the button bar. I remember I did this because I am forever hiding the tools and info palette to see what the document looks like without them in the way, so having them both disappear with one button press saves a lot of piddling about. You can play about doing this for all sorts of stuff, but you have to be careful. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 01:28:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80041 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 01:28:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907712264:10:09420:16; Tue, 06 Oct 98 22:17:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009296; 6 Oct 98 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA16951 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:02:30 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA16946 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:02:13 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQfBg-0001Ho-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:02:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:01:47 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Tight running on A4000s To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all I have just upgraded our school A4000s to 2.50. Now the working memory for Opro has jumped in size from 1440 kb to 1800; nearly half of the memory has gone on OPro! I only have artworks, date and Ovation applets loaded too... Is there a workaround before the computers simply freeze (with !Printers loaded on Bootup, along with the !Blackhole screen saver? 4mb is going to be tight! Why oh why did they not make provision for 8mb in A4000s?!!! Any suggestions would be warmly welcomed. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 02:33:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80064 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 02:33:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907723277:20:02225:29; Wed, 07 Oct 98 01:21:17 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117303; 7 Oct 98 1:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA17231 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:02:37 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA17217 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:02:07 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQhzs-0001MG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:02:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 98 01:32:49 GMT Message-Id: <80050@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tight running on A4000s X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have just upgraded our school A4000s to 2.50. Now the working memory for >Opro has jumped in size from 1440 kb to 1800; In fact you can change the line at the end of the !Run file from WimpSlot -min 1388K -max 1388K to WimpSlot -min 1184K -max 1184K And it will still be happy. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 02:33:33 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80067 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 02:33:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907723229:10:16924:24; Wed, 07 Oct 98 01:20:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126217; 7 Oct 98 1:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA17230 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:02:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA17142 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:50:10 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.93.132] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zQgsF-0003O5-00; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:50:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: <48910097a1rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <80012@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <80012@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > For "Cancel" to work, you do of course have to have OPro set up to poll > whilst printing - printmode 0. But if you're using CC drivers thats > probably as good a mode to be in as any. Where do you set this up? I couldn't find it in Custom or Choices. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 03:07:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80077 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 03:07:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907725917:20:03104:18; Wed, 07 Oct 98 02:05:17 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003097; 7 Oct 98 2:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA17493 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:42:12 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA17222 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:02:10 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQhzt-0001MG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:02:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 98 01:32:55 GMT Message-Id: <80052@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tight running on A4000s X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> For "Cancel" to work, you do of course have to have OPro set up to poll >> whilst printing - printmode 0. But if you're using CC drivers thats >> probably as good a mode to be in as any. >Where do you set this up? I couldn't find it in Custom or Choices. This is just the old thing, first parameter of printchoices() in Autorun.!Choices. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 14:02:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80082 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 14:02:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907748560:20:13744:17; Wed, 07 Oct 98 08:22:40 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122999; 7 Oct 98 8:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA18039 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:02:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA18034 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:02:31 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.59) [193.149.71.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zQoYl-0007TY-00; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:02:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:20:22 +0100 Message-ID: <48912e176abric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File In-Reply-To: <4890df7325steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4890df7325steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <79876@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >Isn't there a way of just embedding a 'times 10' instruction > > >with just a single copy of the file? > > Not with Acorns bit map drivers. > Are you sure? I'm using v1.54 here and if I print to file the dump > starts with 1bE1b&l2X for an attempt to print 2 copies. Esc&l X > being the escape code to produce two copies of the same page on an > HP laser, where is the number of copies. I assume that can be done on a laser printer because the whole page is stored in the printer's memory and can be 're-used' for as many pages as are specified. This is not relevant for, eg inkjets. The difference presumably arises from different Acorn dumper modules? When you want multiple copies of a document that is too big to be stored in the printer's memory do you get copies of page 1, of page 2, etc? If so, you would still be better off to use one of the spoolers mentioned above. This section from the FastSpool+ manual might be helpful: QUOTE The Printing process breaks down in 3 main stages. 1) First the picture on the screen has to be converted into data to be sent to the printer. 2) Next this data has to be sent down the parallel (or serial) cable to your printer. 3) Finally the printer has to convert this data into dots on the page. To further confuse matters, each of these 3 stages actually happens at the same time, so delays in any one stage can hold up the other stages. Quite where these delays occur depends on the type of printer you have. With an inkjet (or dot matrix) printer for instance, stage 3 is the one that takes the time; the computer can typically convert the screen to data and pass it through the cable far faster than the printer can print it. This means that stages 1 and 2 are held up waiting for stage 3. With a laser printer however, stage 3 is quite quick, and the hold up comes in how long it takes to send the data from the computer to the printer (the standard Acorn driver apparently only manages to send about 8K a second of data down the parallel cable). This holds stages 1 and 3 up. FastSpool+ helps solve both of these problems; firstly we introduce disc-buffering between stages 1 and 2, so that the slow speed of an inkjet does not slow the computers work down, and you get control back as soon as possible (while your printing continues in the background). Secondly FastSpool+ includes its own code to drive the parallel port directly, that manages to get 300-400K a second through the cable. This means that data gets to the printer faster and so your printing finishes faster too! The exact operation of the program can be controlled by a number of options in the configuration window. These settings can affect the speed at which the program works (for instance they control how soon data is sent to the parallel port after it appears in the file). For more information on these, see the following section. UNQUOTE Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 14:02:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80083 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 14:02:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907751984:20:22908:19; Wed, 07 Oct 98 09:19:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116025; 7 Oct 98 9:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA18369 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:59:58 +0100 Received: from gateb.bbc.co.uk (gateb.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA18364 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:59:45 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateb.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id K Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:59:59 +0100 Message-Id: Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:59:54 +0100 From: Mike Hunter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Tight running on A4000s Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:57:58 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Paul, A couple of possibilities You can quit !Printers and still print and thus save perhaps 400k. Quitting needs to be done manually. (I am at work so cannot check this.) I also use !RAMplify from Werewolf software (www.werewlf.demon.co.uk) which can be configured to save applications to disc when not actually being used. This is quicker than quitting and reloading - it still remains on the icon bar. I don't know if it works on networked machines. I have configured it to save out !Printers but printing still works. Hope this helps Michael -- Michael Hunter michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Acorn Computer A3010 & RPC and OvationPro Fan Audio Engineering Lecturer, Centre for Broadcast Skills Training http://www.bbc.co.uk/woodnorton/ > ---------- > From: P Hutton[SMTP > Sent: 06 October 1998 23:01 > To: Ovation Pro Support > Subject: Tight running on A4000s > > Dear all > > I have just upgraded our school A4000s to 2.50. Now the working memory > for > Opro has jumped in size from 1440 kb to 1800; nearly half of the memory > has > gone on OPro! I only have artworks, date and Ovation applets loaded > too... > > Is there a workaround before the computers simply freeze (with !Printers > loaded on Bootup, along with the !Blackhole screen saver? > > 4mb is going to be tight! Why oh why did they not make provision for 8mb > in > A4000s?!!! > > Any suggestions would be warmly welcomed. > > -- > Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm > Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 14:02:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80086 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 14:02:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907740755:10:01757:21; Wed, 07 Oct 98 06:12:35 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123201; 7 Oct 98 6:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA17785 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:55:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA17779 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:55:02 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.115) [193.149.80.115] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zQmZL-0006Be-00; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:55:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:01:24 +0100 Message-ID: <4890df7325steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File In-Reply-To: <79876@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <79876@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Isn't there a way of just embedding a 'times 10' instruction with just > >a single copy of the file? > Not with Acorns bit map drivers. Are you sure? I'm using v1.54 here and if I print to file the dump starts with 1bE1b&l2X for an attempt to print 2 copies. Esc&l X being the escape code to produce two copies of the same page on an HP laser, where is the number of copies. Seems to be the same for both LJII and LJ5 drivers - haven't tried any others. No help of course for people using other printers without the copies instruction available. * SteveP -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 14:02:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80090 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 14:02:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907750855:10:01751:22; Wed, 07 Oct 98 09:00:55 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001707; 7 Oct 98 9:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA18236 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:42:00 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA18230 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:41:46 +0100 Received: from Dave..zetnet.co.uk (manr-041.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.171]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20774 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:42:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: Ovation Pro Support Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:17:07 +0100 Message-ID: <4891334945davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tight running on A4000s In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > I have just upgraded our school A4000s to 2.50. Now the working memory > for Opro has jumped in size from 1440 kb to 1800; nearly half of the > memory has gone on OPro! I only have artworks, date and Ovation applets > loaded too... > Is there a workaround before the computers simply freeze (with !Printers > loaded on Bootup, along with the !Blackhole screen saver? Once Printers has been loaded you can quit the front end from the icon bar and everything will still print as the module's loaded. This will save you 240k, though obviously is impractical if you need the front end to change between different printers or the like. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 15:40:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80106 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 15:40:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907771239:20:05130:28; Wed, 07 Oct 98 14:40:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004245; 7 Oct 98 14:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA19143 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:08:41 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19138 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:08:26 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQuGq-0004uR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:08:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 98 14:10:42 GMT Message-Id: <80099@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple copies printing to File X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm using v1.54 here and if I print to file the dump starts with 1bE1b&l2X >for an attempt to print 2 copies. Esc&l X being the escape code to >produce two copies of the same page on an HP laser, where is the number >of copies. No, 'bit map' was the wrong phrase. "Non-page printers" would have been better. Its not completely the printer type as much as the way the printer driver is written. Put it this way, some do, some don't, and the ones that don't can be very tedious. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 20:38:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80124 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 20:38:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907788061:20:25992:35; Wed, 07 Oct 98 19:21:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025902; 7 Oct 98 19:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA19948 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:01:10 +0100 Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA19943 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:00:53 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-18-61.pt.uk.ibm.net [139.92.18.61]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA628 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:57:14 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: The OP language To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <80099@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: James White X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Open letter to David Is OP's language very close to C++? How difficult would it be to (re)-write OP in C++? Would you have to do this to put OP on, say, a Linux system? If Dave Walker developed the GNU flavour, would you make use of that? Short questions for starters, so as not to take up your time, though the answers could be thought-provoking. JW -- ---------------- ART in Spain Tel: +34 971 872322 Fax: +34 971 872309 ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 22:41:17 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80143 for opro ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 22:41:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907794170:10:25330:17; Wed, 07 Oct 98 21:02:50 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105305; 7 Oct 98 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA20205 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:28:59 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20199 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:28:45 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zR0D2-0007Gn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:29:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 98 21:12:08 GMT Message-Id: <80125@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The OP language X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is OP's language very close to C++? It is written in ANSI C. >How difficult would it be to (re)-write OP in C++? Since C is a subset of C++, it already is written in C++. >Would you have to do this to put OP on, say, a Linux system? Yes, but since no work is involved... >If Dave Walker developed the GNU flavour, would you make use of that? The GNU flavour of... C++, I can't believe Linux is short of C/C++ compilers. With any sort of port, the problem is built in support, for example OPro uses the Acorn font manager, well the font manager on Windows requires driving in a different way. So all that code would need redoing, even though it is in C. Heuristics can be different, does the OS have an icon bar? a mouse with 3 buttons? OPro uses the Acorn printer driver system, well I don't know if Linux has anything that simple (cheer now all those who wanted direct PS output). Finally although I can't find the text, seemingly Peter Bondar has pulled off the rescue, and so doing a port is less likely. Maybe someone could post the press release to the list and we can then promise never to wander off topic again (well hardly ever). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 01:55:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80169 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 01:55:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907806919:10:20800:25; Thu, 08 Oct 98 00:35:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020683; 8 Oct 98 0:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA20517 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:18:48 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20503 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:17:58 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.101.19]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAI19030 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:19:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:20:14 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Printing Problem To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 05 Oct, Martin Devon wrote: > On Mon, 05 Oct, Tony Simons wrote: > > On Sun 04 Oct, John Waddell wrote: > > > Has anyone else experienced the following and is there a way to resolve > > the > > problem without rebooting? > > > > > > I opened a pro forma OvPro document, a fax message header with several > > > graphic frames in it. > > > > > > I composed my message and started the print process. > > > > > > Within a second I noticed a word was wrong and hit escape to stop the > > > printing process. > > > > > > Once I had corrected the message I sought to print it. > > > > > > None of the text was printed but all the graphic frames were! > > > > > > I use a LaserDirect LBP8 with version 2.5 of OvPro and version 1.53 of > > > !Printers. > > > > > > Any clues as to what happened? > > > > > > I saved the document, closed down, switched off and rebooted. Everything > > > worked fine. Can the quirk be remedied other than by switching off? > > > > > > I have had this problem but the problem lies with Laser Direct and not > > OPro. I haven't found a way around it yet. > > > > Have you tried going to the print queue, pause it to stop the printer, > delete the contents of the queue and resume the queue? It works in a network > context and I presume it's the same stand-alone. But a substantial amount of > data will have reached the printer by the time you have realised there's > something wrong, so you will often get a part-printed page. > > Martin Devon > Stonar School > Thanks, yes, I tried that, but there was nothing in the queue! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 01:55:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80170 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 01:55:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907806901:20:11981:17; Thu, 08 Oct 98 00:35:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011968; 8 Oct 98 0:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA20516 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:18:43 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20500 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:17:54 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.101.19]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAH19030 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:19:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:16:05 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing To: ovation mailinglist In-Reply-To: <7925231005101998/A00875/CAUV40/11CA2A971200*@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 05 Oct, Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > Rob > > > Am I doing something silly or is there something not quite right with > pamphlet > > printing in OvationPro? > > > > Getting the correct pages onto the two sides of each sheet seems very > complex. > > In other words, for a 12 page pamphlet when printing the fronts it should > print > > pages: > > > > 12 1 > > 10 3 > > 8 5 > > > > then when printing the backs it should print pages: > > > > 6 7 > > 4 9 > > 2 11 > > > > Also it seems rather odd that if you tell it to print all pages rather > than > > just the fronts or backs it does it in the order: > > > > 12 1 > > 11 2 > > 10 3 > > 4 9 > > 8 5 > > 6 7 > > > I often use all pages - The print order is actually logical - it prints the > sheet containing page 1, then 2, then 3, etc up to half the highest page. > ^^^^^^^^^^ Getting your head round the logic of the order of printing is quite interesting. Another way of dealing with the problem and a good illustration of the 'science' is, if you have access to one, to use a photocopier that will take A4 sheets, turn them sideways and reduce them photographically to A5 in a sort of pamphlet mode. Once you have set up the machine to do double sided, 4 pages to 1, you load the copier in the order - let's say of a 12 page pamphlet - pages 1, 12, 11, 2, 3, 10, 9, 4, 5, 8, 7, 6. Or in other words "One from the top, one from the bottom, one from the bottom, one from the top, etc. So ..... taking 1, 12, 11, 2 in isolation, these are the 4 pages that you would expect to see on both sides of the outside sheet of your folded pamphlet and so it goes on, working into the middle of the document. I hope this makes it easier to appreciate, when printing one side only, why you do what you do in the way that you do! I feel a song coming on! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 01:55:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80171 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 01:55:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907806909:20:12036:16; Thu, 08 Oct 98 00:35:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101542; 8 Oct 98 0:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA20513 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:18:41 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20496 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:17:52 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.101.19]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAJ19030 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:19:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:32:45 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <79937@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB20513 On Tue 06 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > >What exactly is a 'Messages1' entry? > >I'm trying to sort this out but it seems I'm a lonely voice and hardly= any > >one else has this problem - or.... >=20 >=20 > Its a text file you insert inside !Fonts which allows you to alias > font names. >=20 > The place I would look is the RISC OS programmers reference manual. > Could be in the (mere) users documentation too. We have discussed it > here in the past, so a scan through the archives would reveal more > info. >=20 > You've got to get it exactly right too, or else the machine crashes on > booting... Below lies the !Help file in the application !FasterFnt which creates the= Messages1 file for you. "Faster Font - Speeds up font cataloguing by Mark Shaw updated by Alan Bonsor This version now supports very large !Font directories. Faster Font speeds up the process of cataloguing the fonts in your machin= e at boot-up. Normally this is done by looking through each Fonts directory and making a list of all the font families, weights and styles as they ar= e encountered. However, if the Fonts directory contains a file called Messages1 which lists the available fonts and styles, this is read instea= d, speeding up the whole process considerably. Faster Font is designed to create this file for you. The application can be run from the RISC User menu system, or by double-clicking on its icon in a directory viewer. An icon is installed o= n the icon bar. Clicking Menu over the icon bar icon opens a menu with two options, Info and Quit, which perform their usual functions. Clicking Select on the icon bar icon opens the main window. To use the application, simply drag a master Fonts directory (i.e. one with a name s= uch as !Fonts, not a font family directory such as Homerton) to the window. Y= ou will now see the pathname of the directory displayed in the upper writabl= e icon. In the lower half of the window is an area headed Style, with four radio buttons labelled Bold, Bold.Italic, Medium and Medium.Italic. Choosing on= e of these allows you to determine which font style will be chosen if an application only has the font family names on its fonts menu. In other words, if you are using, say, Ovation and the font menu contains Corpus, Homerton and Trinity, then if you have set Faster Font's Bold.Italic butt= on, choosing one of these fonts from the menu means that the bold.italic styl= e will be selected automatically. When the settings are as you want them, click on the Install icon, and Faster Font will scan the font directory, making a list. Once it has finished scanning, it will save the list inside the font directory under = the name of Messages1. If fonts are subsequently added to or removed from the directory, the lis= t will not be up to date, and when you come to use the fonts you may find t= hat you cannot do so, or that they are not all on the menu. For this reason, = the Messages1 file must be kept up to date, by running the Fonts directory through Faster Font again. =A9 Copyright RISC User Magazine 1996" The programme was on one of the 1996 Magazine Discs. I have it and use i= t.=20 I do not know whether I could sent it to you or not, given the copyright.= =20 Since these discs are well worth having any, you could always get one fro= m Beebug. Hope this helps. --=20 John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 08 02:11:30 1998 Return-path: Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.6] by pilling.demon.co.uk with smtp (ANTmail1.29b); id sm01efa86; Thu, 08 Oct 98 03:11 +0100 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907809419:20:00351:16; Thu, 08 Oct 98 01:16:59 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105226; 8 Oct 98 1:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA20814 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:54:32 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20809 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:54:17 +0100 Received: from auric.ihug.co.nz (p58-max12.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.99.250]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15014 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:50 +1300 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:13:25 +0100 (BST) From: Frank Lester Subject: OPro / ArcFax Problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro X-IS-UID: Status: R I have been having problems printing a particular fax message from OVPro via ArcFax. The document in question has an ArtWorks file (map) in it. When I select Print, the computer seems to hang up, all I get is the hourglass running and I have to switch off to escape. If I try the same document but with the map as a Drawfile saved from the original Artworks file it all prints to ArcFax with no problems. ArcFax V1.16 OVPro 2.50 Artworks file 109Kb with undo buffer, Drawfile 12Kb (is this the problem?) Thanks. -- Frank Lester "Omahanui" Waitangi Falls Road RD1 Waiuku,New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 13:52:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80176 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 13:52:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907816062:10:00543:24; Thu, 08 Oct 98 03:07:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104936; 8 Oct 98 3:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA21119 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:42:02 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA21114 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:41:47 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zR626-000102-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:42:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 98 03:36:25 GMT Message-Id: <80172@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro / ArcFax Problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have been having problems printing a particular fax message from OVPro via >ArcFax. Does that imply that printing to e.g. an Acorn bit map printer is OK? (even if you don't have one, it should be easy to set up a LaserJet driver or a CanonBJC, set to print to file - obviously if printing does not work to these either, then ArcFax is nothing to do with it) With ArcFax you can always split the printing process into two pieces. First you print to a file, second that file is processed. You can easily stop the second half by not having ArcFax running on the right of the icon bar. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 14:01:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80189 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 14:01:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907844458:20:04549:22; Thu, 08 Oct 98 11:00:58 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121864; 8 Oct 98 11:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA21675 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:37:07 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA21670 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:36:55 +0100 Received: from (localhost) [193.149.70.119] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zRDRx-0006Q2-00; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:37:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Carter To: Ovation mail list Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 08:20:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4891b1fb04fruit@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Waddell wrote: > On Tue 06 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >What exactly is a 'Messages1' entry? I'm trying to sort this out but > > >it seems I'm a lonely voice and hardly any one else has this problem > > >- or.... > > > > Its a text file you insert inside !Fonts which allows you to alias > > font names. [snip] > Below lies the !Help file in the application !FasterFnt which creates the > Messages1 file for you. There seems to be a similar app on the latest AU CDROM CDFS::AUCD4.$.ART_DESIGN.TYPOGRAPHY.FONT_MSGS Andy -- fruit@argonet.co.uk - http://www.argonet.co.uk/homepages/fruit/ for accessing Argo using PAP/CHAP authorisation All contributions to my 'phone bill welcome. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 14:58:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80210 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 14:58:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907852739:10:15027:16; Thu, 08 Oct 98 13:18:59 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102765; 8 Oct 98 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA22081 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:53:19 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22076 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:53:04 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRFZW-0003AN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:53:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 98 03:43:25 GMT Message-Id: <80174@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: bounce X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Approved: snoopy >From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 00:17:50 1998 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20493 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:17:49 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.101.19]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAK19030 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:19:39 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:46:10 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Printing Problem To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <80012@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] On Tue 06 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >Have you tried going to the print queue, pause it to stop the printer, > >delete the contents of the queue and resume the queue? > > > Of course hitting Escape should work. However I suspect clicking > on "Cancel" is a more gentle way of stopping things. I agree but the RPC is so fast that by the time Cancel takes effect, the paper is beginning to come out of theprinter. > > "Cancel" can only take effect when the program is polling, Escape > on the other hand goes off in the middle of the printing code > (either in OPro or the printer driver). > > For "Cancel" to work, you do of course have to have OPro set up to poll whilst > printing - printmode 0. But if you're using CC drivers thats probably as > good a mode to be in as any. > Can you please tell me where I would find 'printmode', I've had a look in the configurable files but its whereabouts escape me. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 16:11:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80225 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 16:11:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907858687:20:11099:35; Thu, 08 Oct 98 14:58:07 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010870; 8 Oct 98 14:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA22442 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:19:40 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22437 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:19:25 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRGuw-0005z7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:19:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 98 15:08:19 GMT Message-Id: <80211@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: bounce X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Approved: snoopy >From steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk Thu Oct 8 14:01:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80188 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 14:01:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907839263:20:05678:9; Thu, 08 Oct 98 09:34:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005322; 8 Oct 98 9:33 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.148) [193.149.72.148] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zRCS7-0005cI-00; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:33:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:29:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4891bdb68bsteve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: !Filename Applet Return-Receipt-To: steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Hello All I have and use the above applet on a dailey basis, but wonder if there is a way of making it 'live' as in the similar feature used in Fireworks. In Fireworks if I copy a document to another location on my hard disc, the next time I load it, it display its new location in the footer, or wherever I have put the 'insert filename' in the document. Any sugestions would be grateful. Cheers Steve -- What ever happened to the man in the moon? _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 18:16:04 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80230 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 18:16:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907860844:20:10198:52; Thu, 08 Oct 98 15:34:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102226; 8 Oct 98 15:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA22593 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:55:11 +0100 Received: from post.guernsey.net (post.guernsey.net [195.226.128.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22587 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:54:57 +0100 Received: from ianhunter.guernsey.net ([195.226.129.162]) by post.guernsey.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20077 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:58:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:41:39 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Hunter Subject: Re: Subscribe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <360D5972.1F41@net.ntl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Suscribe -- Ian Hunter, Rocque Balan, Vale, Guernsey, Channel Islands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 19:25:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80246 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 19:25:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907869902:10:02945:16; Thu, 08 Oct 98 18:05:02 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108268; 8 Oct 98 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA23168 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:41:13 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23163 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:40:57 +0100 Received: from [158.152.206.166] (helo=romsley) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRK4L-0003Ib-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:41:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:26:51 +0100 From: Angus A Mackenzie To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: multi-row brackets Message-ID: <4891E973D0%angus@romsley.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: None detected X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can anyone suggest the best way of producing multi row brackets? I want to produce something of the order of: | a load | | some | | a huge | | of | + | more | = | pile of | | guff | | guff | | guff | ie multi row pseudo equations. The Sidney font contains the constituent parts of the brackets, but when I have tried to use them there are gaps between the lines and they will only line up vertically with monospaced fonts. I suppose Equasor might help; I've never tried it but might have a go this evening. Hardly seems to be the spirit of the age though! Thanks if you can suggest anything better. I have looked at TFM but no doubt someone will just post the reference to the exact page number and I'll crawl under a stone for a while. -- Dr Angus Mackenzie angus@romsley.demon.co.uk Consultant Anaesthetist Acorn RiscPC user 10 REPEAT PRINT "Hello world!":UNTIL FALSE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 19:35:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80251 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 19:35:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907871407:20:10307:25; Thu, 08 Oct 98 18:30:07 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009573; 8 Oct 98 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA23284 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:05:21 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23275 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:05:08 +0100 Received: from [158.152.149.128] (helo=picarium.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRKRh-000268-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:05:55 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by picarium.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:18:49 GMT Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:12:50 +0100 From: Alan J Pitcher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Macros Message-ID: <342be89148.alan@picarium.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Very Little User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.72 (Newsbase) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, After upgrading to v2.51 I cannot get my three rows of icons back. I copied the !Macros file from the AutoRun directory in v2.50 to the AutoRun directory in v2.51, but it does not seem to be running, even after a reboot. Have I missed something out? Thanks. -- Alan J Pitcher mailto:alan@picarium.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 20:31:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80254 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 20:31:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907873222:10:10608:44; Thu, 08 Oct 98 19:00:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117468; 8 Oct 98 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA23444 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:37:24 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23438 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:37:09 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRKwm-00014t-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:37:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 98 19:28:41 GMT Message-Id: <80247@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: multi-row brackets X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >ie multi row pseudo equations. The Sidney font contains the >constituent parts of the brackets, but when I have tried to >use them there are gaps between the lines and they will only >line up vertically with monospaced fonts. >no doubt someone will just post the reference to the exact page number Page 55, Incremental leading. I guess a leading of -2pt (or whatever) will let you overlap one line on the next. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 21:53:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80256 for opro ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 21:53:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907876407:10:15041:17; Thu, 08 Oct 98 19:53:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120589; 8 Oct 98 19:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA23858 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:31:47 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23853 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:31:35 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRLnT-0006D7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:32:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 98 20:28:46 GMT Message-Id: <80252@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Macros X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >After upgrading to v2.51 I cannot get my three rows of icons back. >I copied the !Macros file from the AutoRun directory in v2.50 to >the AutoRun directory in v2.51, but it does not seem to be running, >even after a reboot. Have I missed something out? Well, either there's something else in Autorun which is redefining the macros/buttons. Or the multi row was defined by a file other than !Macros in the old copy. (consider at some point Beebug issued multirow button definitions with a name other than !Macros - messes things up in one of the above ways). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 01:09:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80282 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 01:09:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907884927:20:17089:18; Thu, 08 Oct 98 22:15:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017037; 8 Oct 98 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA24205 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:52:14 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24200 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:52:02 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRNzP-0003V7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:52:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 98 22:04:54 GMT Message-Id: <80268@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: WordWorks X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello All I have and would like to use wordworks with Ovation, however I cannot get it to interact as it does with Impression. Will there ever be a way to use it in the way I do with IP. Would it be easy for David Pilling or anyone else for that matter to write a patch? Cheers Steve -- Some like it HOT I like mine COOL _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 14:27:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80305 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:27:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907923963:20:20847:17; Fri, 09 Oct 98 09:06:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121893; 9 Oct 98 9:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA24652 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:47:14 +0100 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA24647 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:46:58 +0100 Received: from clive.holland.btinternet.com [195.171.236.149] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zRWId-0004E4-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:45:15 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:02:30 +0100 (BST) From: Clive Holland Subject: Re: Upgrade 2.49 to 2.50 To: Ovation Mail List In-Reply-To: <79970@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 06 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >The Beebug site for the 2.50 upgrade quotes it as a 2.46 to 2.50 > >upgrade. Can you use this upgrade to upgrade 2.49 to 2.50? Or is there > >another upgrade? > > NO! > > You have to set off from 2.46. > Sorry David, I remembered this situation over upgrades coming up some time ago, but not until after I had sent this question off!. -- Clive clive.holland@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 14:27:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80311 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:27:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907934643:10:23494:27; Fri, 09 Oct 98 12:04:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105017; 9 Oct 98 12:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00661 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:40:06 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00633 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:23 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZxI-0004Np-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:39:29 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398781; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:40:07 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398781@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 20:11:26 GMT To: Subject: Re: Missing Shortcut MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" In article <488ed01421rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > I have a key shortcut S_F3 which brings up the Save Text dialogue box. > It is an addition to my !Menus file. > Since upgrading to 2.51, this shortcut has stopped working, although the > entry still appears on the menu. > I have checked that all the script files have been copied over and are > the old ones - but it still won't work. > Any idea why? Whoops - answering my own post here. I found that !MenuLib was only a few minutes different to my altered one and I had misread the datestamp and thought they were the same. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 14:28:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80327 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:28:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907931681:20:15880:17; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:14:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015845; 9 Oct 98 11:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00666 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:40:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00643 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:37 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZxV-0004QK-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:39:42 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398796; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:40:20 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398796@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 17:28:17 GMT To: , Subject: RE: Acorn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" ---------- From: Steve Ellacott To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sent: 19/09/98 11:22:46 Subject: Re: Acorn I know this is off thread, but has anyone else found that the Clan private area does not now recognise them? Or is it just me? ------------- The Clan website contents have been suspended, but it is still accessible. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 14:28:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80328 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:28:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907932625:20:25437:22; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:30:25 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109723; 9 Oct 98 11:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00584 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:35:12 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00572 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:34:40 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZsh-0003gF-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:34:44 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398730; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:35:22 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398730@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 16:54:20 GMT To: Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" In article <79634@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I believe an RTF exporter exists too. Please tell us where !! Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 14:28:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80330 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:28:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907933855:20:08653:20; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:50:55 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008659; 9 Oct 98 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00586 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:35:17 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00576 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:34:45 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZso-0003hB-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:34:51 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398734; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:35:29 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398734@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 18:01:06 GMT To: Subject: Missing Shortcut MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" I have a key shortcut S_F3 which brings up the Save Text dialogue box. It is an addition to my !Menus file. Since upgrading to 2.51, this shortcut has stopped working, although the entry still appears on the menu. I have checked that all the script files have been copied over and are the old ones - but it still won't work. Any idea why? Cheers, Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 14:28:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80331 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:28:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907935402:20:25562:16; Fri, 09 Oct 98 12:16:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111514; 9 Oct 98 12:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00670 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:40:56 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00654 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:48 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZxg-0004Ss-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:39:53 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398816; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:40:31 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398816@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 17:11:50 GMT To: Subject: Re: Changing Hard Drives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" On 19 Sep, Sam Smith wrote: > I don't want to do another install of OPro, but I will do if I > must - but is there any way to do the reinstall without losing > all of my custom settings and spending hours setting everything > the way I like it (and no, the answer is not to use the defaulrts Yes. Make a copybackup of your current version in another directory. Reboot so that the paths to the original aren't set. Using your original disc etc, register the *copy* and then update to 2.50. Copy the !Runimage of the updated one to your original working copy. Reset machine again so that paths to the copy are lost. Reboot original working copy. This worked for me when I was playing around with disc interfaces. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 14:28:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80333 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:28:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907935759:20:28991:24; Fri, 09 Oct 98 12:22:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123134; 9 Oct 98 12:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00665 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:40:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00644 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:37 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZxV-0004QW-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:39:42 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398798; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:40:20 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398798@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 21:22:29 GMT To: Subject: HTML MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Forwarded from the wrong address... From:(Richard Torrens) To: owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk <--- the wrong address! Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:34:29 +0100 X-Organization: [14]qd, but does not necessarily reflect its views. <-- [14]? X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: HTML Currently OPro refuses to import HTML: how can this be changed? We keep a lot of documents in two forms: O-Pro and HTML. HTML text is edited via StrongEd - it would be nice to be able to drag text from an HTML file, from StrongEd to O-Pro, but it won't work unless the filetype is changed to text! Nor can you drag an HTML file and drop in on O-Pro! I find this a nuisance! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use an Acorn RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 14:28:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80334 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:28:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907936122:20:02810:20; Fri, 09 Oct 98 12:28:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104799; 9 Oct 98 12:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00669 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:40:53 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00653 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:47 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZxg-0004Sp-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:39:53 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398814; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:40:31 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398814@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 19:47:23 GMT To: Subject: Re: Changing Hard Drives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" In message Sam Smith wrote: > HELP. > > I have just installed my new hard drive (named Phoenix - seemed > appropriate). OPro's copy protection has cut in and decided that > it wont run. Both were IDE devices on hte Acorn interface > and are/were numbered 4, and it was a straight copy from one > another when both were installed together. > When i need to change directory i use move (shift-drag) it works ok on directory change, maybe it works also with HD-change > Trying to run Opro gives "the program was not installed on this > device originally. Drag its icon to the Program Installation > Window to update it." > > Doing that gives "Please use the copy of Install supplied with > that Program". > > I don't want to do another install of OPro, but I will do if I > must - but is there any way to do the reinstall without losing > all of my custom settings and spending hours setting everything > the way I like it (and no, the answer is not to use the defaulrts > :) ) > hm why don't you use the def****,............. ;-) > > Any assistance appreciated. An answer quickly would be nice since > I need to use Opro tomorrow night at the latest.' > Quick enough? I hope it works good luck Greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/press.html for the (latest) bad news X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 14:28:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80336 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:28:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907937126:20:13433:16; Fri, 09 Oct 98 12:45:26 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013081; 9 Oct 98 12:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00582 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:34:57 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00567 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:34:32 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZsb-0003fE-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:34:39 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398717; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:35:16 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398717@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 04:00:00 GMT To: Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" In message Ovation Pro wrote: > > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of > > loaders and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc > > Maybe filters for Loading and Saving would be outside the scope of > Beebug's contract with David. If so then we users could pay David (or > someone else) for developing the filters? Ooohh, money :) If someone launched into an Impression filter, let me know. I've got some work on this done, but likely won't get to look at it again for three to four weeks (have to make PDumper check print quotas first, among other things). The project dropped back to hobby status for various reasons. An Impression saver strikes me as an interesting concept. For an example of the thoughts that spring to mind: How close to an (OP) ellipse would an (Impression) irregular frame have to be to be useful? -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 15:29:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80352 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 15:29:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907940249:10:02939:17; Fri, 09 Oct 98 13:37:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002860; 9 Oct 98 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA01838 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:13:53 +0100 Received: from amalthea.salford.ac.uk (amalthea.salford.ac.uk [146.87.255.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA01833 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:13:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 703 invoked by alias); 9 Oct 1998 13:13:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19981009131345.702.qmail@amalthea.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 697 invoked from network); 9 Oct 1998 13:13:45 -0000 Received: from brindley-056.salford.ac.uk (HELO Unknown) (146.87.16.56) by amalthea.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 9 Oct 1998 13:13:45 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Roger Darlington" Organization: University of Salford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:14:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: old new stuff / new old stuff X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear Anyone, It is now the 9th Oct 1998. How come I am receiving all this 'new' stuff that is dated 21 Sept from this OvPro mailList? Roger, puzzled R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk A 276MHz StrongARM RiscPC in 1200 by 1600 graphics at home for real work An 30MHz 80486 PC plod in 640 x 512 graphics at work for .... a long wait. Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 Remember - a proton is for life, not just for Christmas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 16:44:17 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80364 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 16:44:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907946111:10:17354:16; Fri, 09 Oct 98 15:15:11 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128948; 9 Oct 98 15:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA02304 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02299 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:24 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRdoJ-00065W-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:46:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 15:32:40 GMT Message-Id: <80357@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: old new stuff / new old stuff X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How come I am receiving all this 'new' stuff that is dated 21 Sept >from this OvPro mailList? Sorry about this. My assumption is that someone (mrbusy.demon?) has intentionally or unitentionally reposted all this junk. Rest assured that we will sort matters out... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 20:31:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80377 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 20:31:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907958581:20:15402:17; Fri, 09 Oct 98 18:43:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015086; 9 Oct 98 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA02848 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:24:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02843 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:24:23 +0100 Received: from [194.222.32.134] (helo=bvista.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRhDC-0007OD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:24:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:23:09 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: 'n' and 'm' dashes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think this is probably one for David Pilling! When I type directly into OP, I type two hyphens and get an 'n' dash, which is what I want. This is governed by the Expand applet and easily edited. However, when I import text - which is what I usually do for any magazine or booklet etc. which has more than one story - two hyphens are converted to an 'm' dash, which I don't want! This is governed by the 'Smart Quotes' button in Text choices from the icon bar menu. Is it possible to change/edit this (reasonably) easily? In fact, is this what was intended to happen? I'm not sure what, if any, grammatical rules govern the choice of 'n' or 'm' dashes, but I use the latter much less frequently than the former. (Unfortunately, the editor of the biggest DTP job I do is very fond of dashes!) All advice welcome! Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Parkstone, Poole. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 22:23:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80390 for opro ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 22:23:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907967114:10:02724:16; Fri, 09 Oct 98 21:05:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002632; 9 Oct 98 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA00164 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:50:30 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00159 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:50:16 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRjUU-0004ah-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:50:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 20:43:57 GMT Message-Id: <80381@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 'n' and 'm' dashes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >hen I import text - which is what I usually do for any magazine or >booklet etc. which has more than one story - two hyphens are converted to an >'m' dash, which I don't want! This is governed by the 'Smart Quotes' button >in Text choices from the icon bar menu. Is it possible to change/edit this >(reasonably) easily? In fact, is this what was intended to happen? All just as intended. I can't think of a good solution - you can; (a) switch off smart quotes, and then change the --'s using search and replace. (b) leave smart quotes on, and then search and replace all the m-'s to n-'s. (c) Edit the main !RunImage and replace the hard wired m- in it. (d) Write an improved 'transloader' for text files that replaces the current text import code and does things the way you want. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 19:51:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80511 for opro ; Mon, 12 Oct 98 19:51:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908217164:20:08086:20; Mon, 12 Oct 98 18:32:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007788; 12 Oct 98 18:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05114 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:05:33 +0100 Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [194.126.80.50]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05109 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:05:18 +0100 Received: from client085a.globalnet.co.uk ([195.147.8.90] helo=ianadunn.global.co.uk) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zSmM4-0001gk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:06:01 +0100 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:04:42 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Ian Dunn Subject: 49 to 50 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dr Ian Dunn X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi All I'm feeling very pleased with myself having got from 2.46 to 2.49 , as far as I can tell succesfully . I thought time for 2.50 . Do I upgrade 2.49 using the process as for 2.46 thus to give me 2.50 etc [ 2.51 one day ;-) ] ? Or do I have to copy things across from 2.49 into the current virgin copy of 2.50 I have as a result of checking the upgrade function ? TIA Ian -- Dr Ian Dunn mailto ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk Moir Medical Centre Regent St Long Eaton Nottingham NG10 1JX -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 22:24:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80580 for opro ; Mon, 12 Oct 98 22:24:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908227339:10:14688:17; Mon, 12 Oct 98 21:22:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125449; 12 Oct 98 21:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA05489 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:04:03 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05483 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:03:50 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zSp8t-0003Kb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:04:35 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:14:07 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Applets menu macro To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The subject line says it all; and I am sure it has been asked n times before. Is there a way of setting up a macro on the toolbar to open the Applets directory? Whilst we're on topic, isn't it good that there are som many clever and helpful OPro Winfree users out there? It never ceases to amaze me that no matter what the problem, there is anvariably someone out there with an idea or a solution. What is it the Musketeers used to say......eh? Oh yes. "Stop waving that sword around. You'll have someone's eye out." -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 01:27:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80591 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 01:27:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908232466:10:05581:17; Mon, 12 Oct 98 22:47:46 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117437; 12 Oct 98 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA05732 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:21:50 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05727 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:21:39 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zSppX-0000PR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:48:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 98 22:21:42 GMT Message-Id: <80578@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 49 to 50 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 The only way of upgrading to 2.50, is to set off from a copy of 2.46. If you've got a copy of 2.49, that doesn't enter into the upgrade process. Effectively it has to be thrown away, although with care you may be able to copy across things like applets and script files. All upgrades start from 2.46. Not ideal, but its all we've got. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 01:27:20 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80597 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 01:27:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908235391:10:01207:20; Mon, 12 Oct 98 23:36:31 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120785; 12 Oct 98 23:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA05798 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:35:16 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03731 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:52:32 +0100 From: Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA31998 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:53:04 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id JAA21611 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:39:03 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025669B.002FA876.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:42:40 +0100 Subject: Help for macro buttons Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I sent this query a few days ago and have not noticed it or any replies on the list so I'm trying again. Appologies if you have already seen it. Is there a way to define interactive help for user macro buttons added to the toolbar? All the pre-defined macros have help, but I would like to add some for the ones I have created myself. Thanks for any help Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 02:33:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80612 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 02:33:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908241338:10:17609:21; Tue, 13 Oct 98 01:15:38 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017459; 13 Oct 98 1:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA06108 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:57:26 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA06097 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:57:05 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zSsmd-0003xN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:57:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 01:30:10 GMT Message-Id: <80598@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help for macro buttons X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a way to define interactive help for user macro buttons >added to the toolbar? Yes. Have a look at the !Macros file defmacro2(0,"select","{picktool(1,0)}","select","Select tool.|MThis is the default tool used to select objects and edit text."); And you can see the help text - the last argument of defmacro2() which is an enhanced version of the original defmacro() function. I suppose it gets complicated because you can't just type the help text into an icon. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 02:33:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80614 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 02:33:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908241312:20:22908:19; Tue, 13 Oct 98 01:15:12 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105316; 13 Oct 98 1:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA06109 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:57:28 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA06101 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:57:07 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zSsmf-0003xN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:57:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 01:32:49 GMT Message-Id: <80600@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applets menu macro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The subject line says it all; and I am sure it has been asked n times >before. So you'd just look back at the archives for the answer then? ;-) >Is there a way of setting up a macro on the toolbar to open the Applets >directory? I quoth... >Date: Tue, 26 May 98 23:01:00 GMT >From: D.A.Symes >>I've just spent half an hour trying to get a macro to work... to bring up >>the Applets window at the click of a button, without success... well I've >>been successful at getting error messages. :-) >A macro with a body like; > {osclis("filer_opendir ")} >From: D.A.Symes >>What I wanted at the click of a button bar button is the selection window >>that opens when one does an Ovation Pro, Menu down to - Applets --> >Well if you will call menus "windows"... Try this macro body; >{open_menu(script_menu(1))} >Date: 28 May 1998 09:21:44 GMT > If You would like to open the directory viewer(s) for Applets it is >hardly useful to do that while OP is running, so an Obey-file will do >as well: > IfThere .Applets then Filer_OpenDir .Applets > IfThere .Applets2 then Filer_OpenDir .Applets2 >this takes into account the not yet in use second Applet directory. >On non-RiscPC's You will have to get yourself a copy of IfThere from >Acorn and stick it in Your Library. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 13:48:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80617 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 13:48:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908263764:20:13040:28; Tue, 13 Oct 98 07:29:24 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012916; 13 Oct 98 7:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA06513 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:08:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA06508 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:07:49 +0100 Received: from (193.149.90.170) [193.149.90.170] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zSyZP-00014p-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:08:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 08:05:25 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: File Conversion Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know whther their is an acorn browser that supports file upload? At the site www.fileconvertor.com, there is a free service to convert word processor files from one format to another ie Word 97, Wordperfect 5.x, Word 6, HTML and RTF to RTF, HTML or text This facility is free but requires a browser that supports RFC 1867 - file upload. Any ideas - this would seem to provide on the face of it a simple way of providing some extra OP functionallity. David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 13:49:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80624 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 13:49:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908267224:10:00267:32; Tue, 13 Oct 98 08:27:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029893; 13 Oct 98 8:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06658 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:09:06 +0100 Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (sams@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06653 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:08:54 +0100 Received: from localhost (sams@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21314 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:10:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:10:31 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: File Conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Mr Breakwell wrote: > Does anyone know whther their is an acorn browser that supports file upload? > At the site www.fileconvertor.com, there is a free service to convert word > processor files from one format to another [sni] > Any ideas - this would seem to provide on the face of it a simple way of > providing some extra OP functionallity. Arcweb does. But IIRC it uses FTP as the upload mechanism. Can't you use an ftp client to get it to work? Cheers Sam Smith -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 13:49:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80627 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 13:49:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908273536:10:08104:37; Tue, 13 Oct 98 10:12:16 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008195; 13 Oct 98 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA07020 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:49:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA07015 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:49:44 +0100 Received: from (193.149.90.122) [193.149.90.122] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zT16B-00039P-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:50:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 07:41:02 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: 49 to 50 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 11 Oct 98 (20:04:42 +0100), ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk wrote: > Hi All > > I'm feeling very pleased with myself having got from 2.46 to 2.49 , as > far as I can tell succesfully . I thought time for 2.50 . > > Do I upgrade 2.49 using the process as for 2.46 thus to give me 2.50 > etc [ 2.51 one day ;-) ] ? Or do I have to copy things > across from 2.49 into the current virgin copy of 2.50 I have as > a result of checking the upgrade function ? > > TIA > > Iann Well, Ye see! It's like this - - - - As far as I have worked out, and I have reached 2.51, and if I am wrong, then I want to know as much as the good Doctor, you don't upgrade from anything other than 2.46. I tried it on 2.49 and I got a CRC error. Do an installation of 2.46 of the main programme only, ticking windows 1, 3 and 4. Update that and transfer the other bits from your 2.49. not forgetting to Double Click on !OvnResDir, !UserWords, !Words and drag over the !OvnPro icon for luck. It should work. I have to do the step further from 2.43. Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 13:49:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80630 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 13:49:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908276772:10:11955:17; Tue, 13 Oct 98 11:06:12 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110722; 13 Oct 98 11:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA07171 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:43:55 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA07166 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:43:43 +0100 Received: from [158.152.17.219] (helo=oxted.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zT1wQ-0004dI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:44:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:43:25 +0100 (BST) From: George Foot Subject: Re: File Conversion To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 13 Oct, Mr Breakwell wrote: > Does anyone know whther their is an acorn browser that supports file upload? > At the site www.fileconvertor.com, there is a free service to convert word > processor files from one format to another > > ie Word 97, Wordperfect 5.x, Word 6, HTML and RTF > > to RTF, HTML or text > > This facility is free but requires a browser that supports RFC 1867 - file > upload. > > Any ideas - this would seem to provide on the face of it a simple way of > providing some extra OP functionallity. > > David Breakwell www.fileconvertor.com I get an error message "No data could be fetched for this URL" Can anyone help, please ? George -- George Foot georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk Web Page. http://www.oxted.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 13:49:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80633 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 13:49:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908279955:10:14993:16; Tue, 13 Oct 98 11:59:15 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014393; 13 Oct 98 11:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07323 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:27:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA07314 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:27:40 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.35) [193.149.71.35] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zT2cx-0004Yo-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:28:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Torrens) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:22:06 +0100 X-Organization: qd, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Applets Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Anyone else had this odd behaviour? Some upgrades ago I lost the use of Applets I had loaded. It seems that any turned-on Applets get turned off automatically as OPro installs on the icon bar! I can watch the Applets in a filer window as I launch OPro. As it installs on the Icon bar any that are on get a - added as they are all turned off! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use an Acorn RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 13:49:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80634 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 13:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908281359:10:29562:17; Tue, 13 Oct 98 12:22:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029291; 13 Oct 98 12:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA07506 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:00:05 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07501 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:59:48 +0100 Received: from adolphus.law.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.173.4]) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zT384-0002sm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:00:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:58:11 +0100 From: "Jonathan Overett" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: File Conversion Message-ID: <2045392531.908283491@adolphus.law.cam.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mulberry (Win32) [1.3.2.2, s/n S-100001] X-Authenticated: jlo22 by imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --On 13 October 1998, 11:43 +0100 "George Foot" wrote: > > www.fileconvertor.com > > I get an error message "No data could be fetched for this URL" > > Can anyone help, please ? > > George > Try www.fileconverter.com Jonathan ============================ Jonathan Overett jlo22@hermes.cam.ac.uk Christ's College Cambridge. CB2 3BU +44 (0)1223 767673 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 15:49:33 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80655 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 15:49:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908288818:10:21296:30; Tue, 13 Oct 98 14:26:58 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021141; 13 Oct 98 14:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07882 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:53:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07877 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:53:07 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zT4tj-0000iM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:53:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 14:27:37 GMT Message-Id: <80651@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applets X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Anyone else had this odd behaviour? Some upgrades ago I lost the use of Applets >I had loaded. >It seems that any turned-on Applets get turned off automatically as OPro >installs on the icon bar! This is because the !ARun files from inside the applets have gone missing. It is the prescence of the (often zero length) !ARun file which denotes an applet which is loaded from something else which is run. And if you run an applet it toggles it's on/off status, just as it does when you double click on it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 18:24:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80667 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 18:24:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908293303:10:13618:17; Tue, 13 Oct 98 15:41:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012746; 13 Oct 98 15:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA08100 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:10:41 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08095 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:10:25 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.89]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA3C79 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:11:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:09:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4894759019delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: TransDDF filter Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all! How can I force OPro to load the !TransDDF filter automatically? If you think this is a simple problem, then be aware that putting it in the AutoRun directory doesn't help. And adding a line to the !Run file causes weird problems. At least, on my computer... (RPC + OPro 2.51) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 18:24:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80670 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 18:24:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908297556:10:01891:20; Tue, 13 Oct 98 16:52:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123679; 13 Oct 98 16:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA08294 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:28:02 +0100 Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (sams@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08289 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:27:47 +0100 Received: from localhost (sams@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24389 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:29:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:29:32 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF filter In-Reply-To: <4894759019delink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Paul Sprangers wrote: > How can I force OPro to load the !TransDDF filter automatically? > If you think this is a simple problem, then be aware that putting it in the > AutoRun directory doesn't help. And adding a line to the !Run file causes > weird problems. > At least, on my computer... (RPC + OPro 2.51) Have you tried sticking them in !Boot.System ? That's where mine all reside. Cheers Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 18:24:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80673 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 18:24:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908298382:10:09776:36; Tue, 13 Oct 98 17:06:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010111; 13 Oct 98 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA08345 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:43:42 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA08340 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:43:31 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.95.46] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zT7Yg-00023j-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:44:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:46:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4894687a2brayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Applets In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Richard Torrens wrote: > Anyone else had this odd behaviour? Some upgrades ago I lost the use of > Applets > I had loaded. > It seems that any turned-on Applets get turned off automatically as OPro > installs on the icon bar! > I can watch the Applets in a filer window as I launch OPro. As it > installs on the Icon bar any that are on get a - added as they are all > turned off! Is it possible they are being Filer_Run or something which is the same as clicking on them? Have a look at whatever boots them on your system. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 19:32:04 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80687 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 19:32:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908301509:20:26244:21; Tue, 13 Oct 98 17:58:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120854; 13 Oct 98 17:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA08577 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:39:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA08570 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:39:09 +0100 Received: from (193.149.95.3) [193.149.95.3] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zT8QV-0003Hz-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:40:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:29:15 +0100 Message-ID: <48947cd9c9df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: 49 to 50 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Someone Else wrote: > On Sun 11 Oct 98 (20:04:42 +0100), ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I'm feeling very pleased with myself having got from 2.46 to 2.49 , as > > far as I can tell succesfully . I thought time for 2.50 . > > > > Do I upgrade 2.49 using the process as for 2.46 thus to give me 2.50 > > etc [ 2.51 one day ;-) ] ? Or do I have to copy things > > across from 2.49 into the current virgin copy of 2.50 I have as > > a result of checking the upgrade function ? > > > > TIA > > > > Iann > Well, Ye see! It's like this - - - - > As far as I have worked out, and I have reached 2.51, and if I am wrong, > then I want to know as much as the good Doctor, you don't upgrade from > anything other than 2.46. I tried it on 2.49 and I got a CRC error. Do > an installation of 2.46 of the main programme only, ticking windows 1, 3 > and 4. Update that and transfer the other bits from your 2.49. not > forgetting to Double Click on !OvnResDir, !UserWords, !Words and drag > over the !OvnPro icon for luck. > It should work. I have to do the step further from 2.43. > Ken. Yes... but why not do like many of us... keep a untouched installed copy of 2.46 in a directory somewhere... then when upgrade time comes around, make a copy of the stored one, outside the storage directory, and upgrade over that. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 19:32:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80689 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 19:32:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908302628:20:07210:25; Tue, 13 Oct 98 18:17:08 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006783; 13 Oct 98 18:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA08667 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:57:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA08662 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:57:38 +0100 Received: from (193.149.92.12) [193.149.92.12] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zT8iP-0003ei-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:58:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Torrens) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:29:07 +0100 X-Organization: qd, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Centrefolds Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Something I asked Beebug about before I joined the list, which has not been covered: Is there any way to do a centrefold such that it always stays in the centre of an A5 booklet? At the moment I do it as a separate document which we print separately and collate at the last moment. Useful because our catalogue includes a pull-out check list of product features, and because we export to various countries and country specific information (i.e. guarantee, service and repair info) can all be on a pull-out centre sheet. And yes - the service sheet does therefore need to be a separate documemt! Except if we get a run printed we would print all as UK, then change the centrefold at despatch. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use an Acorn RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 21:02:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80701 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 21:02:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908305078:10:17246:20; Tue, 13 Oct 98 18:57:58 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122320; 13 Oct 98 18:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA08822 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:37:21 +0100 Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [194.126.80.50]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08812 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:37:02 +0100 Received: from client1355.globalnet.co.uk ([195.147.13.85] helo=ianadunn.global.co.uk) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zT9KW-0000ek-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:37:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:12:08 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Ian Dunn Subject: 49 to 50 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dr Ian Dunn X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi David Sorry not to manage to identify myself and thanks for the info , I haven't done any work yet on 2.49 so I won't have lost anything , so I am quite happy Ian -- Dr Ian Dunn mailto ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk Moir Medical Centre Regent St Long Eaton Nottingham NG10 1JX -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 21:31:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80703 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 21:31:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908310139:20:14547:16; Tue, 13 Oct 98 20:22:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014529; 13 Oct 98 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA09083 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:59:20 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA09078 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:59:03 +0100 Received: from [194.222.194.153] (helo=abacusline.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTAbp-0001JM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:59:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:56:43 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: New Computer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Ovation Pro on a New Computer I am just about to change my computer from my trust old A540 to a Risc PC. I have copied my 'old' hard disc to a SyQuest and I can plug the SyQuest into the new Risc PC when it arrives. Will the Ovation Pro I have on the SyQuest transfer to the new Risc PC or will the protection prevent it working? If the protection prevents it working then can I just reinstall it from my original 2.46 disc or is there a 'token' which I have to recover from the A540 first? If there is a token then can I recover the token from the SyQuest? Do I have to send my discs back to Beebug to get the token restored? If I have to reinstall from the 2.46 original discs then what is the easiest way of getting back to the version I have now (on the A540 and the SyQuest)? Note that I can't run both the Risc PC and the A540 simultaneously because I have only one monitor (and only a limited amount of space). Am I going to lose all my personal configuration settings when I change machines? If so then do I have to reconfigure everything from scratch or can I just copy some bits and pieces over to the Risc PC from the SyQuest? Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 22:46:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80711 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 22:46:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908313919:10:07384:19; Tue, 13 Oct 98 21:25:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007343; 13 Oct 98 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09225 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:02:30 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA09220 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:02:13 +0100 Received: from (193.149.79.233) [193.149.79.233] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zTBb3-0007VL-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:03:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Scott To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:57:19 +0100 Message-ID: <48948fe65dri.scott@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Printing problem With Jpegs Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Apologies if this has been covered before, but I'm having problems printing pages with JPEGs on them. They display fine, but attempting to print the page makes the machine lock up completely. ISTR printing them OK in the past ... ? Please don't tellto RTFM since at the moment I've lost TFM ... if you saw the chaos around me at present this would come as no surprise ... :-( Using OvationPro 2.45 (must get round to upgrading!) RISCOS 3.6, no Strongarm ... ian Scott -- ___________________________ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ ( S | C | O | T | T | Y ) Aardvarks come first! \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ ri.scott@argonet.co.uk ___________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 22:46:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80712 for opro ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 22:46:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908315169:10:19486:16; Tue, 13 Oct 98 21:46:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101308; 13 Oct 98 21:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09342 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:24:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA09337 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:24:40 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.233) [193.149.72.233] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zTBwn-00009g-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:25:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:23:39 +0100 Message-ID: <489445685esteve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: !Filename Applet Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello All Sorry if you have already received this posting, but I have not seen it appear on my list. I am using the above applet, but would like to use it 'live' In Fireworks a similar feature exists and when I move a file from one directory to another, Fireworks automatically updates the 'pathname / filename' in the document footer. Is this possible using the above applet with OP. I can't seem to get it to do it, but I may be missing something. Thanks for any assistance. Steve -- What ever happened to the man in the moon? _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 01:04:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80722 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 01:04:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908316416:20:11570:17; Tue, 13 Oct 98 22:06:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011539; 13 Oct 98 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09480 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:46:36 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09474 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:46:23 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTCHn-0002CF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:47:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 21:33:32 GMT Message-Id: <80707@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Computer X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am just about to change my computer from my trust old A540 >Will the Ovation Pro I have on the SyQuest transfer to the >new Risc PC or will the protection prevent it working? As I understand it, when you install OPro on a new machine a 'token' is added to some hidden area of your hard disc. So what you need to do is use your original discs to install a copy of OPro 2.46 on your new machine. I do not believe that uninstalling or sending discs back to Beebug is necessary. In any case, copy protection only affects the !RunImage, no other files are protected. So you can copy all the other files from your old version onto the new one. But the !RunImage is linked to the token on the disc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 01:04:20 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80725 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 01:04:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908316243:10:29523:21; Tue, 13 Oct 98 22:04:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029418; 13 Oct 98 22:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09425 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:39:35 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09420 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:39:19 +0100 Received: from mbax8ss2 (pm2-47.mcc.ac.uk [194.66.22.107]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id RAA26775 for In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Author, Writer, Student and Techie X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ovation Pro wrote: > > Ovation Pro on a New Computer [snip] > If there is a token then can I recover the token from the SyQuest? No > If I have to reinstall from the 2.46 original discs then what > is the easiest way of getting back to the version I have now > (on the A540 and the SyQuest)? Note that I can't run both the > Risc PC and the A540 simultaneously because I have only one > monitor (and only a limited amount of space). Take a copy. and rebuild it slowly. > Am I going to lose all my personal configuration settings > when I change machines? If so then do I have to reconfigure > everything from scratch or can I just copy some bits and > pieces over to the Risc PC from the SyQuest? Yes and no. But, I reposted here a method of doing it towards the early part of last week (or may have been the week before) - which includes a step by step guide on how to do it which worked fine for me when changing HD's. If you have any specific problems, you can drop me or the list an email and we wil be happy to help. It is not that hard, just remember that all your file references will have changed, so reinstall the !Documents applet. Just delete it - it is faster than changing every single path name in that applet. That was the only one which appeared to have a problem. Cheers and HTH Sam Smith -- Sam Smith "Friends of Phoebe" columnist for Archive Magazine mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 1: I'd love to go out with you, but I did my own thing and now I've got to undo it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 01:04:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80726 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 01:04:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908319301:10:25984:21; Tue, 13 Oct 98 22:55:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025921; 13 Oct 98 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA09810 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:37:50 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA09805 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:37:36 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.163) [193.149.71.163] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zTD5M-0001QV-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:38:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 19:21:34 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: File Conversion Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 13 Oct 98 (12:58:11 +0100), jlo22@hermes.cam.ac.uk wrote: >> www.fileconvertor.com >> >> I get an error message "No data could be fetched for this URL" >> >> Can anyone help, please ? >> >> George >> > >Try www.fileconverter.com > Apologies - it was typed in a bit of a Hurry! -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 01:04:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80727 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 01:04:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908319985:10:01688:20; Tue, 13 Oct 98 23:06:25 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101728; 13 Oct 98 23:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA09860 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:49:31 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA09854 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:49:18 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.92.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zTDGh-0001Zu-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:50:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:12:14 +0100 Message-ID: <489480c97crayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: TransDDF filter In-Reply-To: <4894759019delink@news.wxs.nl> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4894759019delink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Dear all! > How can I force OPro to load the !TransDDF filter automatically? If you > think this is a simple problem, then be aware that putting it in the > AutoRun directory doesn't help. And adding a line to the !Run file > causes weird problems. At least, on my computer... (RPC + OPro 2.51) I put all my !TransLoaders in Boot:Resources where they are seen on boot up. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 03:42:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80738 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 03:42:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908328678:20:14153:17; Wed, 14 Oct 98 01:31:18 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014142; 14 Oct 98 1:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA10155 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:05:47 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10150 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:05:35 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTFOd-0003if-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:06:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 98 01:10:44 GMT Message-Id: <80734@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem With Jpegs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm having problems printing pages with JPEGs on them. They display fine, >but attempting to print the page makes the machine lock up completely. The obvious guess is that this is due to CC Turbo drivers or Laser Direct. And that the cure has been covered many times here. See the maillist archives for August 1997 (on www.beebug.com). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:46:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80739 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:46:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908337310:10:02220:16; Wed, 14 Oct 98 03:55:10 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002037; 14 Oct 98 3:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA10368 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:35:59 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10363 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:35:40 +0100 Received: from Dave..zetnet.co.uk (manr-019.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.149]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA13923 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:36:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:12:18 +0100 Message-ID: <48947b4cbbdavefloyd@zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: TransDDF filter In-Reply-To: <4894759019delink@news.wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4894759019delink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Dear all! > How can I force OPro to load the !TransDDF filter automatically? If you > think this is a simple problem, then be aware that putting it in the > AutoRun directory doesn't help. And adding a line to the !Run file > causes weird problems. At least, on my computer... (RPC + OPro 2.51) > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers Place it in the root directory of your hard disk then the system will see it on boot up and OP will know where to find it. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:46:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80743 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:46:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908341545:20:09352:22; Wed, 14 Oct 98 05:05:45 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009328; 14 Oct 98 5:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA10533 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:48:40 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA10527 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:48:28 +0100 From: Received: from [194.222.47.33] (helo=194.222.47.33) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTIeZ-00018v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:35:16 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, postmaster@omega.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Failed delivery notification Date: 09 Oct 1997 14:47:21 GMT Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The following message could not be delivered for the following reason: Message is truncated ---message follows-- Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for keith_sp8@rodskool.demon.co.uk id 907930940:20:07805:37; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:02:20 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007629; 9 Oct 98 11:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00666 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:40:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00643 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:37 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZxV-0004QK-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:39:42 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398796; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:40:20 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398796@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 17:28:17 GMT To: , Subject: RE: Acorn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" ---------- From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sent: 19/09/98 11:22:46 Subject: Re: Acorn I know this is off thread, but has anyone else found that the Clan private area does not now recognise them? Or is it just me? ------------- The Clan website contents have been suspended, but it is still accessible. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:46:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80744 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:46:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908342022:20:12588:20; Wed, 14 Oct 98 05:13:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124116; 14 Oct 98 5:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA10567 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:55:32 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA10562 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:55:15 +0100 From: Received: from [194.222.47.33] (helo=194.222.47.33) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTIgt-00018v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:37:40 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, postmaster@omega.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Failed delivery notification Date: 09 Oct 1997 14:49:31 GMT Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The following message could not be delivered for the following reason: Message is truncated ---message follows-- Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for keith_sp8@rodskool.demon.co.uk id 907935223:20:23795:14; Fri, 09 Oct 98 12:13:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105652; 9 Oct 98 12:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00582 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:34:57 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00567 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:34:32 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZsb-0003fE-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:34:39 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398717; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:35:16 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398717@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 04:00:00 GMT To: Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" In message Ovation Pro wrote: > > As a previous posting said, what will help is the development of > > loaders and savers for OP eg Impression, Word, WP HTML etc > > Maybe filters for Loading and Saving would be outside the scope of > Beebug's contract with David. If so then we users could pay David (or > someone else) for developing the filters? Ooohh, money :) If someone launched into an Impression filter, let me know. I've got some work on this done, but likely won't get to look at it again for three to four weeks (have to make PDumper check print quotas first, among other things). The project dropped back to hobby status for various reasons. An Impression saver strikes me as an interesting concept. For an example of the thoughts that spring to mind: How close to an (OP) ellipse would an (Impression) irregular frame have to be to be useful? -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:46:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80746 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:46:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908342361:20:14582:17; Wed, 14 Oct 98 05:19:21 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128138; 14 Oct 98 5:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA10614 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:01:57 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA10609 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:01:46 +0100 From: Received: from [194.222.47.33] (helo=194.222.47.33) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTIhN-00018v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:38:10 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, postmaster@omega.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Failed delivery notification Date: 09 Oct 1997 14:50:01 GMT Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The following message could not be delivered for the following reason: Message is truncated ---message follows-- Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for keith_sp8@rodskool.demon.co.uk id 907935399:20:25534:17; Fri, 09 Oct 98 12:16:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025439; 9 Oct 98 12:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00669 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:40:53 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00653 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:47 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZxg-0004Sp-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:39:53 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398814; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:40:31 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398814@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 19:47:23 GMT To: Subject: Re: Changing Hard Drives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" In message Sam Smith wrote: > HELP. > > I have just installed my new hard drive (named Phoenix - seemed > appropriate). OPro's copy protection has cut in and decided that > it wont run. Both were IDE devices on hte Acorn interface > and are/were numbered 4, and it was a straight copy from one > another when both were installed together. > When i need to change directory i use move (shift-drag) it works ok on directory change, maybe it works also with HD-change > Trying to run Opro gives "the program was not installed on this > device originally. Drag its icon to the Program Installation > Window to update it." > > Doing that gives "Please use the copy of Install supplied with > that Program". > > I don't want to do another install of OPro, but I will do if I > must - but is there any way to do the reinstall without losing > all of my custom settings and spending hours setting everything > the way I like it (and no, the answer is not to use the defaulrts > :) ) > hm why don't you use the def****,............. ;-) > > Any assistance appreciated. An answer quickly would be nice since > I need to use Opro tomorrow night at the latest.' > Quick enough? I hope it works good luck Greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/press.html for the (latest) bad news X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:46:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80747 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:46:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908343619:10:11295:32; Wed, 14 Oct 98 05:40:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116362; 14 Oct 98 5:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA10515 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:41:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA10505 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:41:22 +0100 From: Received: from [194.222.47.33] (helo=194.222.47.33) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTIfV-00018v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:36:13 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, postmaster@omega.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Failed delivery notification Date: 09 Oct 1997 14:48:01 GMT Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The following message could not be delivered for the following reason: Message is truncated ---message follows-- Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for keith_sp8@rodskool.demon.co.uk id 907932958:20:29123:15; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:35:58 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120836; 9 Oct 98 11:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00586 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:35:17 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00576 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:34:45 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZso-0003hB-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:34:51 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398734; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:35:29 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398734@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 18:01:06 GMT To: Subject: Missing Shortcut MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" I have a key shortcut S_F3 which brings up the Save Text dialogue box. It is an addition to my !Menus file. Since upgrading to 2.51, this shortcut has stopped working, although the entry still appears on the menu. I have checked that all the script files have been copied over and are the old ones - but it still won't work. Any idea why? Cheers, Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:46:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80748 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:46:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908342363:20:14597:18; Wed, 14 Oct 98 05:19:23 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014531; 14 Oct 98 5:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA10633 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:02:44 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA10628 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:02:33 +0100 From: Received: from [194.222.47.33] (helo=194.222.47.33) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTIgR-00018v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:37:12 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, postmaster@omega.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Failed delivery notification Date: 09 Oct 1997 14:49:01 GMT Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The following message could not be delivered for the following reason: Message is truncated ---message follows-- Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for keith_sp8@rodskool.demon.co.uk id 907934777:20:18903:16; Fri, 09 Oct 98 12:06:17 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018696; 9 Oct 98 12:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00665 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:40:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00644 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:37 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZxV-0004QW-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:39:42 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398798; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:40:20 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398798@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 21:22:29 GMT To: Subject: HTML MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Forwarded from the wrong address... From: To: owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk <--- the wrong address! Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:34:29 +0100 X-Organization: [14]qd, but does not necessarily reflect its views. <-- [14]? X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: HTML Currently OPro refuses to import HTML: how can this be changed? We keep a lot of documents in two forms: O-Pro and HTML. HTML text is edited via StrongEd - it would be nice to be able to drag text from an HTML file, from StrongEd to O-Pro, but it won't work unless the filetype is changed to text! Nor can you drag an HTML file and drop in on O-Pro! I find this a nuisance! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use an Acorn RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:46:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80750 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:46:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908346233:10:29094:17; Wed, 14 Oct 98 06:23:53 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028929; 14 Oct 98 6:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA11363 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:05:59 +0100 Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk (pat.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA11358 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:05:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 12326 invoked from network); 14 Oct 1998 06:06:48 -0000 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.41) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 14 Oct 1998 06:06:48 -0000 Received: from ppp11-annex.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa11820; 14 Oct 98 7:06 BST From: Martin Devon Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:26:28 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF filter Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite 2.00b24/Acorn RISC OS X-Organization: Stonar School Wiltshire UK 44 (0)1225 702309 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 13 Oct, Sam Smith wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > How can I force OPro to load the !TransDDF filter automatically? > > If you think this is a simple problem, then be aware that putting it in > the > AutoRun directory doesn't help. And adding a line to the !Run file causes > > weird problems. > > At least, on my computer... (RPC OPro 2.51) > Have you tried sticking them in !Boot.System ? > > That's where mine all reside. > Or !Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks perhaps? Martin Devon Stonar School -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:47:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80751 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:46:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908342777:20:16934:16; Wed, 14 Oct 98 05:26:17 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102650; 14 Oct 98 5:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA10514 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:41:51 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA10501 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:41:20 +0100 From: Received: from [194.222.47.33] (helo=194.222.47.33) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTIf2-00018v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:35:45 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, postmaster@omega.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Failed delivery notification Date: 09 Oct 1997 14:47:57 GMT Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The following message could not be delivered for the following reason: Message is truncated ---message follows-- Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for keith_sp8@rodskool.demon.co.uk id 907931818:20:17277:18; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:16:58 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114051; 9 Oct 98 11:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00584 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:35:12 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00572 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:34:40 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZsh-0003gF-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:34:44 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398730; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:35:22 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398730@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 16:54:20 GMT To: Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" In article <79634@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I believe an RTF exporter exists too. Please tell us where !! Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:47:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80755 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:47:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908344537:20:27818:18; Wed, 14 Oct 98 05:55:37 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027796; 14 Oct 98 5:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA10523 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:43:51 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA10518 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:43:28 +0100 From: Received: from [194.222.47.33] (helo=194.222.47.33) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTIhr-00018v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:38:40 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, postmaster@omega.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Failed delivery notification Date: 09 Oct 1997 14:51:23 GMT Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The following message could not be delivered for the following reason: Message is truncated ---message follows-- Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for keith_sp8@rodskool.demon.co.uk id 907933721:10:12447:19; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:48:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106670; 9 Oct 98 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00661 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:40:06 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00633 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:23 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZxI-0004Np-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:39:29 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398781; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:40:07 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398781@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 20:11:26 GMT To: Subject: Re: Missing Shortcut MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" In article <488ed01421rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > I have a key shortcut S_F3 which brings up the Save Text dialogue box. > It is an addition to my !Menus file. > Since upgrading to 2.51, this shortcut has stopped working, although the > entry still appears on the menu. > I have checked that all the script files have been copied over and are > the old ones - but it still won't work. > Any idea why? Whoops - answering my own post here. I found that !MenuLib was only a few minutes different to my altered one and I had misread the datestamp and thought they were the same. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:47:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80761 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:47:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908359333:10:09927:25; Wed, 14 Oct 98 10:02:13 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121481; 14 Oct 98 10:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11820 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:36:35 +0100 Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA11815 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:36:18 +0100 Received: from a.esplen.btinternet.com.btinternet.com [195.171.249.13] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zTNLY-00029Y-00; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:35:57 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:38:34 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Subject: Re: Failed delivery notification To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-URL: none X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 09 Oct, MailServer@rodskool.demon.co.uk wrote: > > The following message could not be delivered for the following reason: > > Message is truncated > ---message follows-- > [snip] > > ---------- > From: > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 19/09/98 11:22:46 > Subject: Re: Acorn > > I know this is off thread, but has anyone else found that the Clan > private > area does not now recognise them? Or is it just me? > > ------------- > The Clan website contents have been suspended, but it is still > accessible. > [snip] Bit of subject but.......... Has any other person recieved 8 copies of the above sent on 19/09 and arrived 13/10. Or is it just me. -- Alan Esplen Great Waltham, Essex, England. email: a.esplen@btinternet.com Check out Anne & Alans Home Page and Meccano page http://www.btinternet.com/~a.esplen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:47:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80767 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:47:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908345623:20:05036:16; Wed, 14 Oct 98 06:13:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004834; 14 Oct 98 6:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA10511 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:41:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA10496 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:41:11 +0100 From: Received: from [194.222.47.33] (helo=194.222.47.33) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTIfy-00018v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:36:42 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, postmaster@omega.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Failed delivery notification Date: 09 Oct 1997 14:48:31 GMT Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The following message could not be delivered for the following reason: Message is truncated ---message follows-- Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for keith_sp8@rodskool.demon.co.uk id 907934576:20:16833:22; Fri, 09 Oct 98 12:02:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016698; 9 Oct 98 12:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00670 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:40:56 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00654 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:48 +0100 From: Received: from [212.228.34.62] (helo=mrbusy.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZxg-0004Ss-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:39:53 +0000 Received: from POP3 Client by mrbusy.demon.co.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA907398816; Fri, 09 Oct 98 11:40:31 GMT Message-Id: <9810039073.AA907398816@mrbusy.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 17:11:50 GMT To: Subject: Re: Changing Hard Drives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" On 19 Sep, Sam Smith wrote: > I don't want to do another install of OPro, but I will do if I > must - but is there any way to do the reinstall without losing > all of my custom settings and spending hours setting everything > the way I like it (and no, the answer is not to use the defaulrts Yes. Make a copybackup of your current version in another directory. Reboot so that the paths to the original aren't set. Using your original disc etc, register the *copy* and then update to 2.50. Copy the !Runimage of the updated one to your original working copy. Reset machine again so that paths to the copy are lost. Reboot original working copy. This worked for me when I was playing around with disc interfaces. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --simple boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:47:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80769 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:47:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908345694:20:05436:17; Wed, 14 Oct 98 06:14:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109944; 14 Oct 98 6:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA11281 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:57:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA11275 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:57:35 +0100 Received: from (193.149.90.252) [193.149.90.252] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zTJxE-0005DZ-00; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:58:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Torrens) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:22:43 +0100 X-Organization: qd, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: Applets Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 13 Oct 98 (14:27:37), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >Anyone else had this odd behaviour? Some upgrades ago I lost the use > of Applets > >I had loaded. > >It seems that any turned-on Applets get turned off automatically as > OPro > >installs on the icon bar! > > > This is because the !ARun files from inside the applets have gone > missing. > It is the prescence of the (often zero length) !ARun file which denotes > an applet which is loaded from something else which is run. And if > you run an applet it toggles it's on/off status, just as it does when > you > double click on it. Well I never... I wonder who pinched the !ARun files? They were indeed missing and an old backup had them in, all zero length. I guess that Adrian Look's Recover application didn't bother to recover zero length files when I had a hard disc go down! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use an Acorn RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:47:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80771 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:47:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908362428:10:12122:42; Wed, 14 Oct 98 10:53:48 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104250; 14 Oct 98 10:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA11947 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:26:41 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA11942 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:26:26 +0100 Received: from johnb.ihug.co.nz (p4-max29.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.104.4]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA2077 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:26:42 +1300 (GMT) From: John Brown Subject: Re: Failed delivery notification To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Brown, Auckland, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 14 Oct, Alan wrote: > Has any other person recieved 8 copies of the above sent on 19/09 > and arrived 13/10. Or is it just me. Nope, for once you are not alone. Cheers John Brown Whose opinions are his own: the club cannot be held responsible. -- J.M.A. Brown |Sec/Treas Acorn Users Auckland 35 Laurie Ave |http://shell.ihug.co.nz/~snookums/welcome.html Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610,StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:47:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80773 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:47:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908364818:10:07836:16; Wed, 14 Oct 98 11:33:38 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007777; 14 Oct 98 11:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA12100 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:08:13 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12095 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:07:58 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p58-max3.ham.ihug.co.nz [202.49.240.58]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA239 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:03:35 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Failed delivery notification To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB12100 Status: R On Wed 14 Oct, Alan wrote: > On Thu 09 Oct, MailServer@rodskool.demon.co.uk wrote: > >=20 > > The following message could not be delivered for the following reason= : > >=20 > > Message is truncated > > ---message follows-- > >=20 > [snip] > >=20 > > ---------- > > From: > > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > Sent: 19/09/98 11:22:46 > > Subject: Re: Acorn > >=20 > > I know this is off thread, but has anyone else found that the Clan > > private > > area does not now recognise them? Or is it just me? > >=20 > > ------------- > > The Clan website contents have been suspended, but it is still > > accessible. > >=20 > [snip] > Bit of subject but.......... >=20 > Has any other person recieved 8 copies of the above sent on 19/09 > and arrived 13/10. Or is it just me. =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > --=20 > Alan Esplen Great Waltham, Essex, England. >=20 > email: a.esplen@btinternet.com >=20 > Check out Anne & Alans Home Page and Meccano page > http://www.btinternet.com/~a.esplen Yes I did, dont know if it was 8, but lots before i deleted them. --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... Ren=E9 Turner ..Survivor 82... Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz=20 H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury.org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:47:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80774 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:47:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908366712:10:27936:16; Wed, 14 Oct 98 12:05:12 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027877; 14 Oct 98 12:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA12250 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:40:28 +0100 Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (kochanski.wn.planet.gen.nz [203.98.47.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12245 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:40:08 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00866 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:40:30 +1300 (NZDT) >Received: by bridge.wn.planet.gen.nz (ReadNews 0.34); Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:59:26 +1300 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:59:25 +1300 From:(Julian Wright) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applets Message-ID: References: Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Lines: 16 Received: from bridge by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:40 NZD Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro richard@4qd.co.uk (Richard Torrens) writes: > I wonder who pinched the !ARun files? They were indeed missing and an old > backup had them in, all zero length. > > I guess that Adrian Look's Recover application didn't bother to recover zero > length files when I had a hard disc go down! That makes a lot of sense. Zero length files do not actually exist anywhere on the drive except as a directory entry. After all what's the point of filecore allocating even a single sector to such a file? No sector means no entry in the map. I imagine the Recover application reads the map when it is looking for files to recover. -- The beatings will continue until morale improves. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 16:14:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80805 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 16:14:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908375920:10:11137:33; Wed, 14 Oct 98 14:38:40 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011085; 14 Oct 98 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12627 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:11:45 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12619 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:11:33 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.224]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA58B0 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:12:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:06:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4894f3a48fdelink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Failed delivery notification In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > Has any other person recieved 8 copies of the above sent on 19/09 > > and arrived 13/10. Or is it just me. > Nope, for once you are not alone. I join the crowd Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 18:03:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80813 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 18:03:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908381443:20:19204:18; Wed, 14 Oct 98 16:10:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019188; 14 Oct 98 16:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12821 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:47:14 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12816 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:47:03 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTT4M-0000rO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:42:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 98 16:21:36 GMT Message-Id: <80809@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Maillist problems... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> > Has any other person recieved 8 copies of the above sent on 19/09 >> > and arrived 13/10. Or is it just me. Apparently last week, 'mrbusy.demon.co.uk' decided it would be fun to mail about 8 old messages back to the list. Now 'mailserver@rodskool.demon.co.uk' has in turn bounced those messages back to the list because they are wrongly formatted. I would assume this is the end of the matter unless someone else has software set up which in turn thinks bouncing the junk back would be a good idea. I'm faced with the problem of deciding if this is malicious, and finding if I can track down the source and remove them from the list. I'll try do something... Otherwise, please be aware of the trouble you can cause to others by setting up your mail software inappropriately. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 18:37:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80821 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 18:37:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908385813:20:07107:23; Wed, 14 Oct 98 17:23:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106957; 14 Oct 98 17:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA13016 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:03:27 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13005 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:03:11 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTULQ-0002HN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:04:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 98 16:21:36 GMT Message-Id: <80809@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Maillist problems... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> > Has any other person recieved 8 copies of the above sent on 19/09 >> > and arrived 13/10. Or is it just me. Apparently last week, 'mrbusy.demon.co.uk' decided it would be fun to mail about 8 old messages back to the list. Now 'mailserver@rodskool.demon.co.uk' has in turn bounced those messages back to the list because they are wrongly formatted. I would assume this is the end of the matter unless someone else has software set up which in turn thinks bouncing the junk back would be a good idea. I'm faced with the problem of deciding if this is malicious, and finding if I can track down the source and remove them from the list. I'll try do something... Otherwise, please be aware of the trouble you can cause to others by setting up your mail software inappropriately. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 20:03:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80826 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 20:03:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908386893:10:17724:16; Wed, 14 Oct 98 17:41:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114684; 14 Oct 98 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA13102 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:24:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA13097 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:24:38 +0100 Received: from (193.149.73.188) [193.149.73.188] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zTUgD-0000Ka-00; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:25:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:23:50 +0100 Message-ID: <48950030ebsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Pause in printing? Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello Can anyone advise me as to why the 'pause' option in the printer dialogue doesn't pause printing between pages? I want to turn the page to print on the back, but it won't stop! Help! Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From alan.h9@ukonline.co.uk Wed Oct 14 20:04:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80830 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 20:04:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908388760:20:07849:3; Wed, 14 Oct 98 18:12:40 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net ([195.40.1.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007409; 14 Oct 98 18:11 GMT Received: from hertz.ukonline.co.uk ([195.40.5.13] ident=qmailr) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #3) id 0zTVPr-0001Gi-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:12:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 20509 invoked from network); 14 Oct 1998 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from tnt-2-53.easynet.co.uk (HELO alan.h9.ukonline.co.uk) (195.40.207.53) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 14 Oct 1998 18:24:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:50:43 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Harvey Subject: Queries To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] I sent this query to acorn.apps and they suggested I get on the mailing list! I have recently purchased this excellent program and set myself a couple of tasks 1. A graph based weight loss sheet 8#( It would be better if I could print the grid - is this possible? 2. A print out of EFF's 4000 PD fonts at 6 to a page. This was worked by setting up 6 styles, each in a different font which I changed for each page. Then I looked at O/Pro's method(extras.documents.fonts) and there is only one extra style called 'category' Would this method save me time and if so, how do I do it? Help please BTW should I address this to you, David or is there a forum? -- Keep the faith Alan Harvey From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 20:04:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80833 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 20:04:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908390869:20:28939:16; Wed, 14 Oct 98 18:47:49 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124523; 14 Oct 98 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA13439 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:27:17 +0100 Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA13428 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:26:57 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop3-31.access.ch [195.112.73.95]) by mail.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.08pri) id UAA17294 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:27:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:24:57 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Maillist problems... To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <80809@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 14 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > >> > Has any other person recieved 8 copies of the above sent on 19/09 > >> > and arrived 13/10. Or is it just me. > > > Apparently last week, 'mrbusy.demon.co.uk' decided it would be fun to > mail about 8 old messages back to the list. Now 'mailserver@rodskool.demon.co.uk' > has in turn bounced those messages back to the list because they are wrongly > formatted. > > I would assume this is the end of the matter unless someone else has > software set up which in turn thinks bouncing the junk back would be a good idea. > > I'm faced with the problem of deciding if this is malicious, and finding if I can > track down the source and remove them from the list. > > I'll try do something... > > Otherwise, please be aware of the trouble you can cause to others by > setting up your mail software inappropriately. > David, I was away for some time. But yesterday and today I received multiple mailings of unknown origin. With enormous overheads and many attached text files as well. Generally 8 files, alternating (2, 4, 6, 8 or was it 1, 3, 5, 7) one was almost identical and presented a so-called un-delivered mail from me (length difference was approx. max of 10 bytes difference), the other a repetition of mailings of (much-) earlier date. I took this to be a technical failure and deleted everything. That was before I received your mailing as stated above. If I get a repetition I shall inform you immediately. With all files and/or mailings I receive. Your analysis (i.e. malcious) seems likely. Or there is a programming problem at majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk. By the way: do you know or can discover whether BG is following this mailing list? %-( Just an idea 8-)) Greetings Jan-Maarten PS reply regarding Canonscan2700 follows tomorrow. Thanks for your ??'s -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 20:04:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80834 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 20:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908390937:20:29546:23; Wed, 14 Oct 98 18:48:57 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029015; 14 Oct 98 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA13424 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:26:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA13419 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:26:17 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.48) [193.149.80.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zTVdt-0001nP-00; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:27:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:50:25 +0100 Message-ID: <4894c63345df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: TransDDF filter In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Martin Devon wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct, Sam Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > How can I force OPro to load the !TransDDF filter automatically? If > > > you think this is a simple problem, then be aware that putting it in > > the AutoRun directory doesn't help. And adding a line to the !Run file > > causes > > > weird problems. > > > At least, on my computer... (RPC OPro 2.51) > > Have you tried sticking them in !Boot.System ? > > > > That's where mine all reside. > > > Or !Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks perhaps? > Martin Devon > Stonar School Ah Well... perhaps I'll add my few pence worth... Just over a year ago, I had some startup troubles (SARPC)... re-organised a lot of start up stuff... I've got all the OVPro filters referenced in my Desktop Boot file, in the form of: "Filer_Boot Pathname to filter" (no quote marks) Thus on my system it's written... Filer_Boot ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransDDF I've not had any problems with it this way. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 21:23:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80837 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 21:23:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908393475:10:24996:26; Wed, 14 Oct 98 19:31:15 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129931; 14 Oct 98 19:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA13677 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:17:22 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA13672 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:17:11 +0100 Received: from lizard (dialup028.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.60]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA29069 for < Message-ID: <36256946.3C53@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:17:26 -0700 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pause in printing? References: <48950030ebsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steve White wrote: > > Hello > Can anyone advise me as to why the 'pause' option in the printer dialogue > doesn't pause printing between pages? I want to turn the page to print on the > back, but it won't stop! Help! > One solution is to go into the Configuration window for the printer driver and set the paper feed to manual instead of auto. The printer then pauses awaiting confirmation after printing each sheet. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 22:23:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80866 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 22:23:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908399982:10:27858:16; Wed, 14 Oct 98 21:19:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027813; 14 Oct 98 21:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA14013 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:04:29 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14006 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:04:08 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTY6e-0004zG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:05:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 98 21:37:39 GMT Message-Id: <80843@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pause in printing? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can anyone advise me as to why the 'pause' option in the printer dialogue >doesn't pause printing between pages? I want to turn the page to print on the >back, but it won't stop! Help! This does work... but only if you have OPro set up to poll whilst printing. In the file !OvnPro.Autorun.!Choicesl; printchoices(0,8505,250,200000); You need to have 0 as the first argument in the above function. See page 226 in the OPro reference guide. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 22:24:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80867 for opro ; Wed, 14 Oct 98 22:24:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908399989:20:25057:15; Wed, 14 Oct 98 21:19:49 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102937; 14 Oct 98 21:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA14011 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:04:23 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14001 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:04:05 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTY5l-0004zG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:04:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 98 21:29:34 GMT Message-Id: <80841@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Maillist problems... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I was away for some time. But yesterday and today I received multiple >mailings of unknown origin. With enormous overheads and many attached text >files as well. Maybe so, but that is not what we're talking about. All the problems have amounted to, is 10 small repostings to the 'list. The list is limited to a few 100 lines anyway, so you're never going to get massive postings via it. >mailings I receive. Your analysis (i.e. malcious) seems likely. Or there is >a programming problem at majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk. Thank you for giving me the chance to make clear that there is no problem with the list itself. I would guess 'mrbusy.demon.co.uk' was just testing something with their mail software and it reposted a few messages. Anything you post to the list will be distributed, simple as that. >By the way: do you know or can discover whether BG is following this mailing >list? %-( Majordomo has a 'who' command that tells you. But we have disabled it to prevent you being treated to lots of spam. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 01:33:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80880 for opro ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 01:33:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908404443:20:05707:15; Wed, 14 Oct 98 22:34:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111876; 14 Oct 98 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA14395 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:06:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA14390 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:06:43 +0100 Received: from (193.149.90.198) [193.149.90.198] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zTZ5F-0006le-00; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:07:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rey Cobham) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:56:08 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Failed delivery notification Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 14 Oct 98 (08:38:34 +0100), a.esplen@btinternet.com wrote: [SNIP message I NEVER want to see again. 8x is quite enough!] > [snip] > Bit of subject but.......... > > Has any other person recieved 8 copies of the above sent on 19/09 > and arrived 13/10. Or is it just me. You are not alone. I saw 21 new e-mails and was hoping for something a little more interesting than that! Read the 1st two of these and just deleted the rest. Cheers, Rey -- (~) ( ) (~) (~) (_) (_) (_) (~) (_) E-mail: foxy@argonet.co.uk ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 03:11:31 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80891 for opro ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 03:11:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908412199:20:07123:15; Thu, 15 Oct 98 00:43:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122696; 15 Oct 98 0:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA14664 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:08:54 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA14645 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:08:20 +0100 Received: from hertz.ukonline.co.uk ([195.40.5.13] ident=qmailr) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #3) id 0zTb07-0003Ij-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:10:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 16425 invoked from network); 15 Oct 1998 00:22:43 -0000 Received: from tnt-2-127.easynet.co.uk (HELO alan.h9.ukonline.co.uk) (195.40.207.127) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 00:22:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:07:19 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Harvey Subject: Re: TransDDF filter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4894c63345df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 14 Oct, D.A.Symes wrote: > In article , > Martin Devon wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Oct, Sam Smith wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > > How can I force OPro to load the !TransDDF filter automatically? If > > > > you think this is a simple problem, then be aware that putting it in > > > the AutoRun directory doesn't help. And adding a line to the !Run file > > > causes I have the opposite - since upgrading, TransDDF *always* appears in front when I load Opro. - how do I stop it? -- Keep the faith Alan Harvey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 13:52:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80896 for opro ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 13:52:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908420390:20:04522:25; Thu, 15 Oct 98 02:59:50 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004611; 15 Oct 98 2:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA14907 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 03:22:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA14896 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 03:22:05 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTd4P-00031R-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:23:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 03:14:18 GMT Message-Id: <80892@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF filter X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >> > > > How can I force OPro to load the !TransDDF filter automatically? If >> > > > you think this is a simple problem, then be aware that putting it in >> > > the AutoRun directory doesn't help. And adding a line to the !Run file >> > > causes >I have the opposite - since upgrading, TransDDF *always* appears in front >when I load Opro. - how do I stop it? I'd point out that you can't "load" these filters. Try double clicking on one and watching the task manager, you'll see it run and then quit a wimp poll or two later. At best all you're doing is executing their !Run/!Boot file to set up some variables and paths. Anyway, they can't appear in front of anything. Stick a text file or something in your autorun folder, and yes you will see an Edit window or whatever appear when you run OPro. But you'd not do that... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 15:24:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80927 for opro ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 15:24:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908461059:10:21884:85; Thu, 15 Oct 98 14:17:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116132; 15 Oct 98 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA00390 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:56:09 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00385 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:55:54 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTntQ-0004MS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:56:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 14:48:17 GMT Message-Id: <80918@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: A PostScript Saga X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Attached is a PostScript printing saga. Martin Vethake recently pointed out to me that Acorn app. note 248 contains some useful material about the workings of the PS printer drivers. You can find it on the SA CD ROM or Acorns ftp/web site. ======================================================================================== Hello David, I recently printed a postscipt file using the booklet mode to get a 4 page view, but when the film came back from the typesetters it had been horribly cropped. The best way to describe the problem is that Ovation Pro doesn't seem to produce anything on the page once it is more than 300mm wide. Everything looks as though it will print fine (scaling centre values etc. all look correct for a page 450mm wide) but the output is cropped. Just to make sure the problem is at my end and not with my typesetter's Linotronic Printer I have used Ghostscript to view the Postscipt files...the same cropping problem. Dare I say it, but I tried printing a 450mm wide page with Impression and it worked! Can you offer any advice? I have attached a zipped postscript file for you to have a look at. The printer driver sets the page at 450mm wide and 420mm high. I have also tried printing single, scaled up pages all with the same problem. ======================================================================================== Hello David, Thanks for the quick reply You said... DP> If you look at the start of the PS file, you'll see DP> statusdict /setpageparams known DP> {statusdict begin 1275 1190 0 1 setpageparams end} DP> {linotronic} DP> ifelse DP> Now this is added by Ovation to the PS. NB the word 'linotronic' DP> which comes from the paper size, which you set, in the full DP> knowledge that the PS renderer has a paper size called 'linotronic' DP> (err you did didn't you?). I've checked my page definitions and the Acorn Printer Driver has the page defined as 'Linotronic Film' not just 'Linotronic' but please read on... I've also checked with my typesetters and asked them about their Raster Image Processor. Apparently it expects the page size to be clearly defined in the postscript file. I have looked at the postscipt file and if I add the lines [poached from an Impression created postscipt file using the same printer driver]... statusdict /setpageparams known {statusdict begin 1285 1191 0 1 4 -1 roll statusdict /measure known {measure 2 copy ge {exch}if pop}if 4 1 roll setpageparams end }if ....AFTER the first setpageparams section in the 'faulty' postscript file created by OPro it displays fine (uncropped) on the ghostscipt postscipt renderer (and, I assume, my typesetter's printer). The problem is clearly that the page size is defined incorrectly, but not with the printer driver and not within OPro (as the pages are all positioned correctly etc.). The problem seems to be with the way the postscipt file is created and the page size defined within that. Can you offer any further suggestions as to what the problem may be? If you would like me to mail you the original OPro file just let me know. Thanks a lot - and sorry to be such a pain, Dave ========================================================================================== Hello David, I just thought I'd let you know that after your last mail I seem to have fixed the printing problem. Whilst searching all of the !Printer settings I found a file called PSProlog2 - a Postscipt prolog file which has on the end of it the following lines... statusdict /setpageparams known {statusdict begin 842 1191 0 1 4 -1 roll {measure} stopped {860 }if 2 copy ge {exch}if pop 4 1 roll set pageparams end }if These are then placed in every postscipt file. Why they're there I don't know as all they do is reset the page dimensions to something completely unrelated to the print job. The problem seemed to be that OPro was inserting its page size before the prolog whereas Impression was inserting it after the prolog. Hence Impression printed correctly to postscipt and OPro didn't. I have commented out the offending lines in the PSProlog2 file and lo and behold everything seems to be working fine now, without altering any of the OPro script. Thanks for all your help - it's really appreciated. If anyone else has the same problem with postscipt printing at least you'll know what it is. Thanks Again, Dave ======================================================================================= David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 19:12:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80966 for opro ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 19:12:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908472253:10:01611:15; Thu, 15 Oct 98 17:24:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104899; 15 Oct 98 17:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00590 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:57:09 +0100 Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00585 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:56:47 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop4-07.access.ch [195.112.73.135]) by mail.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.08pri) id SAA27671 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:57:22 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:38:27 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Pause in printing? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <48950030ebsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 14 Oct, Steve White wrote: > Hello > Can anyone advise me as to why the 'pause' option in the printer dialogue > doesn't pause printing between pages? I want to turn the page to print on the > back, but it won't stop! Help! Did you possibly forget to hit the "Set" button? 8-) JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 20:04:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80973 for opro ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 20:04:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908477291:20:19813:37; Thu, 15 Oct 98 18:48:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126590; 15 Oct 98 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00777 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:33:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00772 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:33:06 +0100 Received: from (193.149.83.217) [193.149.83.217] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zTsDm-0005iT-00; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:33:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: <48958a5605sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Pause in printing? In-Reply-To: <80843@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 14 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >Can anyone advise me as to why the 'pause' option in the printer dialogue > >doesn't pause printing between pages? I want to turn the page to print on > the > >back, but it won't stop! Help! > This does work... but only if you have OPro set up to poll whilst printing. > In the file !OvnPro.Autorun.!Choicesl; > printchoices(0,8505,250,200000); > You need to have 0 as the first argument in the above function. > See page 226 in the OPro reference guide. Isn't it great - all this help offered! Many thanks for the assistance - I'll try it as soon as I've read the rest of my messages. Thank you to you all Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 22:19:33 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80984 for opro ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 22:19:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908483948:10:28896:22; Thu, 15 Oct 98 20:39:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028775; 15 Oct 98 20:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA00987 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:16:12 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00973 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:15:40 +0100 Received: from hertz.ukonline.co.uk ([195.40.5.13] ident=qmailr) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #3) id 0zTtqK-0002db-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:17:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 23765 invoked from network); 15 Oct 1998 20:29:48 -0000 Received: from tnt-1-131.easynet.co.uk (HELO alan.h9.ukonline.co.uk) (195.40.206.131) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 20:29:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:24:58 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Harvey Subject: Re: TransDDF filter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <80892@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >I have the opposite - since upgrading, TransDDF *always* appears in front > >when I load Opro. - how do I stop it? > >On Thu 15 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >I'd point out that you can't "load" these filters. Try double clicking on >one and watching the task manager, you'll see it run and then quit a wimp >poll or two later. > > At best all you're doing is executing their !Run/!Boot file to set up > some variables and paths. > > Anyway, they can't appear in front of anything. After reading this I decided to look closer -The transDDF file was a directory and it was in a window which referred to applets. Looking in there showed the TransDDF zipfile which I had downloaded and dropped in there temporarily Removing it removed the problem Now I have to find why opening a blank document opens 3 windows headed Ovation Pro Styles, Page Palette, and Cols. < Rummage > Thinks....... I must RTFM again.... -- Keep the faith Alan Harvey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 23:44:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80994 for opro ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 23:44:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908486983:10:28000:15; Thu, 15 Oct 98 21:29:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121579; 15 Oct 98 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA01213 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:16:34 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01208 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:16:23 +0100 Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-35.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.166] with SMTP for id XAA18070 (8.8.8/1.6); Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:17:16 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:14:32 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: A PostScript Saga To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <80918@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The problem Martin describes is something I encountered approx. 6 years ago. With Impression and ArtWorks to be precise. I've often written about that problem and given the solutions because it can be an expensive fault when setting films. I didn't know it may also appear with Ovation Pro. What I find strange is that it was introduced in Impression and ArtWorks after the early versions and was considered by CC as an improvement when I complained about it. So it hadn't anything to do with the printer manager itself nor the specific PDFs. At that time I found the lines in the PS file that had to be changed to get a good result above 305 mm width. There is another solution for ArtWorks however. Now it seems to be not CC specific or even Impression doesn't show it but Ovation does. Could it be something that is introduced by a CC application in the printing process that makes the problems for Ovation? You can find a file LimitCheck in !Publish+.Resources.PS that contains the lines described. In ArtWorks it is the file psprolog2. I have often tried to change the lines in that file but they reappear. The PSprolog2 file in !Printers.ps.PSFiles.Level1 and Level2 doesn't contain these lines. At least not in my system. So could it be that a file migrated one way or another? A pity Martin that I could have discussed this with you two weeks ago in a Chinese restaurant and showed you the results at home. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net All views expressed are my own and may have no relation whatsoever to the views of Acorn, Intel, Tulip, IBM, ARM, Sun, Compaq, Micro- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 23:44:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80995 for opro ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 23:44:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908489728:20:11487:31; Thu, 15 Oct 98 22:15:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011377; 15 Oct 98 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA01367 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:04:01 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01362 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:03:49 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTvVi-0003oJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:04:43 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:05:14 GMT Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:00:52 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF filter Message-ID: <8649d9548%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <80892@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <80892@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >> > > > How can I force OPro to load the !TransDDF filter automatically? If > >> > > > you think this is a simple problem, then be aware that putting it in > >> > > the AutoRun directory doesn't help. And adding a line to the !Run file > >> > > causes > > >I have the opposite - since upgrading, TransDDF *always* appears in front > >when I load Opro. - how do I stop it? > > > I'd point out that you can't "load" these filters. Try double clicking > on one and watching the task manager, you'll see it run and then > quit a wimp poll or two later. > > At best all you're doing is executing their !Run/!Boot file to set up > some variables and paths. > > Anyway, they can't appear in front of anything. > > Stick a text file or something in your autorun folder, and yes you will > see an Edit window or whatever appear when you run OPro. But you'd not do > that... > Would it not be possible in the next revison of OP to create a folder within the OP directory(similar to the autorun dir)where filters can reside; but rather than them being run, OP looks in there to see whats around; thus they are 'seen' by OP?? Of course, I haven't a clue what I'm talking about. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 01:53:54 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81002 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 01:53:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908492293:10:17675:16; Thu, 15 Oct 98 22:58:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017631; 15 Oct 98 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA01485 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:44:58 +0100 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA80981 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 22:18:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908479694:20:11912:17; Thu, 15 Oct 98 19:28:14 GMT Received: from [195.166.63.11] ([195.166.63.11]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011979; 15 Oct 98 19:28 GMT Received: from moose.co.uk (moose.co.uk [195.166.48.17]) by rhubarb.moose.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA11499 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:28:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from pblenkinsop.moose.co.uk (195.166.48.234) by moose.co.uk with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2b6); Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:27:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:35:24 +0100 Message-ID: <48957a1984pblenkinsop@moose.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.5 Subject: Tables Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro What is the best way to implement tables in OPro? Is there a style defined as in Inpression? That is not too smart a way to do it. -- ======================================================================== My anti-spam remove is so complicated that only very, very bright people will be able to understand, remove it and reply to me. Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 01:53:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81003 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 01:53:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908493468:10:28754:17; Thu, 15 Oct 98 23:17:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028679; 15 Oct 98 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA01572 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:07:41 +0100 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA01565 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:07:28 +0100 From: Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id JNBYa22759 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5d4d0a5b.36268035@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:07:33 EDT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Booklet printing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I find the the Imposit applet brilliant for producing A6 booklets, 4 pages to an A4 sheet, all perfectly paginated. But is it possible for someone with better programming skills than me to improve(?) on it with a "double booklet" option? .. Could the pages be arranged so that the top 2 pages printed on each A4 sheet are repeated on the bottom half of the same A4 sheet, but still correctly paginated? It should be possible to collate and staple these A4 sheets and then to guillotine this "double booklet" to produce 2 identical booklets. At present, separate A4 sheets have to be chopped first, and then collated and stapled together - much more fiddly. Fingers crossed - Tom H -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 03:25:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81025 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 03:25:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908503201:20:26338:17; Fri, 16 Oct 98 02:00:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108019; 16 Oct 98 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA01857 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:27:00 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01833 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:25:59 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTyfO-0001yn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:26:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 02:12:47 GMT Message-Id: <81008@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Booklet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Could the pages be arranged so that the top 2 pages printed on each A4 sheet >are repeated on the bottom half of the same A4 sheet, but still correctly >paginated? Yes. Kids stuff. (and no, I do not intend demonstrating this assertion, somethings are left as interesting exercises for the user). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 03:25:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81026 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 03:25:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908503322:10:13929:22; Fri, 16 Oct 98 02:02:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013901; 16 Oct 98 2:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA01881 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:36:39 +0100 Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01876 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:36:25 +0100 Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA27417 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:23:42 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA25052; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:07:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:47:01 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Failed delivery notification Message-ID: <48955FB2C5%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (08 Oct 1998) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Alan wrote: >> From: >> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk >> Sent: 19/09/98 11:22:46 >> Subject: Re: Acorn >> I know this is off thread, but has anyone else found that the Clan >> private area does not now recognise them? Or is it just me? > Has any other person recieved 8 copies of the above sent on 19/09 > and arrived 13/10. Or is it just me. You didn't read them, did you? It's not "8 copies of the above", it's eight different Failed delivery notifications. Well, it's three different ones, and five more that I don't intend to read. ;-) Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 03:25:26 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81030 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 03:25:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908504266:20:04258:15; Fri, 16 Oct 98 02:17:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120940; 16 Oct 98 2:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA01853 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:26:40 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01825 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:25:55 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTyfK-0001yn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:26:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 01:57:32 GMT Message-Id: <81004@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A PostScript Saga X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The problem Martin describes Those quotes were not from Martin. He mentioned the app note re PS duplex printing, which I hope he'll tell us about shortly. >Now it seems to be not CC specific or even Impression doesn't >show it but Ovation does. Could it be something that is introduced >by a CC application in the printing process that makes the problems >for Ovation? The point is that on a new installation of Printers; OPro and Impression work OK. The problem this guy had, was that unbeknown to him the Prolog2 file had these lines added which mess up the boundaries. OPro and Impression use slightly different code, and what he found was Impression style. So we can point the finger... >The PSprolog2 file in !Printers.ps.PSFiles.Level1 and Level2 >doesn't contain these lines. At least not in my system. >So could it be that a file migrated one way or another? Quite so. There are a few points worth noting in this area; (1) Don't make up a PS paper name without understanding app. note 248 (2) The code which OPro adds is OK, but I've seen PS systems which interpret the commands differently. You can get at the code in Library.PSsupport to change it. Copy the Impression PS code if that makes you happier. (3) Weird results, look out for PSProlog2... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 03:25:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81029 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 03:25:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908504228:10:20873:28; Fri, 16 Oct 98 02:17:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020758; 16 Oct 98 2:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA01856 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:26:46 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01829 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:25:56 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTyfN-0001yn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:26:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 02:10:43 GMT Message-Id: <81006@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF filter X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would it not be possible in the next revison of OP to create a folder >within the OP directory(similar to the autorun dir)where filters >can reside; but rather than them being run, OP looks in there to see whats >around; thus they are 'seen' by OP?? Quite possible to create an autorun script for the existing program which does what you want... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:58:10 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81033 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:58:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908520687:10:17337:16; Fri, 16 Oct 98 06:51:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129874; 16 Oct 98 6:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA02379 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:37:55 +0100 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA02374 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:37:42 +0100 Received: from clive.holland.btinternet.com [62.172.95.52] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zU3T0-0004Wh-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:34:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:03:53 +0100 (BST) From: Clive Holland Subject: Re: Failed delivery notification To: Ovation Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 14 Oct, Alan wrote: > On Thu 09 Oct, MailServer@rodskool.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > > The following message could not be delivered for the following reason: > > > > Message is truncated > > ---message follows-- > > > [snip] > > > > ---------- > > From: > > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > Sent: 19/09/98 11:22:46 > > Subject: Re: Acorn > > > > I know this is off thread, but has anyone else found that the Clan > > private > > area does not now recognise them? Or is it just me? > > > > ------------- > > The Clan website contents have been suspended, but it is still > > accessible. > > > [snip] > Bit of subject but.......... > > Has any other person recieved 8 copies of the above sent on 19/09 > and arrived 13/10. Or is it just me. > > > > -- > Alan Esplen Great Waltham, Essex, England. Over the past week or so I too have received some duplication, but several times previous messages have been inserted in attachments of other previous messages. -- Clive clive.holland@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:58:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81038 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:58:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908524930:10:23830:15; Fri, 16 Oct 98 08:02:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103076; 16 Oct 98 8:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA02522 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:48:46 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02517 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:48:33 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09598 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:49:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3626F991.97460E48@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:45:22 +0100 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEES University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables References: <48957a1984pblenkinsop@moose.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro What do you mean by "best". I find table mate the fastest. But I would like more math's functions in it. Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > What is the best way to implement tables in OPro? > > Is there a style defined as in Inpression? That is not too smart a way to > do it. > > -- > ======================================================================== > My anti-spam remove is so complicated that only very, very bright people > will be able to understand, remove it and reply to me. > Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dyslexia rules k o My spell checker doesn't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:58:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81040 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:58:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908525662:10:01715:15; Fri, 16 Oct 98 08:14:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001699; 16 Oct 98 8:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA02575 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:02:00 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA02570 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:01:49 +0100 Received: from (193.149.81.25) [193.149.81.25] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zU4qW-0007lO-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:02:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 17:00:06 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: 49 to 50 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 13 Oct 98 (18:29:15 +0100), df.symes wrote: > In article , > Someone Else wrote: > > On Sun 11 Oct 98 (20:04:42 +0100), ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > > > I'm feeling very pleased with myself having got from 2.46 to 2.49 , > as > > > far as I can tell succesfully . I thought time for 2.50 . > > > > > > Do I upgrade 2.49 using the process as for 2.46 thus to give me > 2.50 > > > etc [ 2.51 one day ;-) ] ? Or do I have to copy things > > > across from 2.49 into the current virgin copy of 2.50 I have as > > > a result of checking the upgrade function ? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Iann > > > Well, Ye see! It's like this - - - - > > > As far as I have worked out, and I have reached 2.51, and if I am > wrong, > > then I want to know as much as the good Doctor, you don't upgrade > from > > anything other than 2.46. I tried it on 2.49 and I got a CRC error. > Do > > an installation of 2.46 of the main programme only, ticking windows > 1, 3 > > and 4. Update that and transfer the other bits from your 2.49. not > > forgetting to Double Click on !OvnResDir, !UserWords, !Words and > drag > > over the !OvnPro icon for luck. > > > It should work. I have to do the step further from 2.43. > > > Ken. > > Yes... but why not do like many of us... keep a untouched installed > copy of 2.46 in a directory somewhere... then when upgrade time comes > around, make a copy of the stored one, outside the storage directory, > and upgrade over that. > > Cheers > > Dave S > . Well I do, but that must have been installed from disk at some time. Rather obvious I thought. Cheer, Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:58:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81041 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:58:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908529646:20:02496:73; Fri, 16 Oct 98 09:20:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002374; 16 Oct 98 9:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA02768 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:04:09 +0100 Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA02763 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:03:57 +0100 Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zU5og-0000Vn-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:04:58 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zU5of-0005Hb-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:04:57 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:04:57 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26318695@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: Over inking... Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:04:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi everyone, I'm new to the list and this may have cropped up before but I've noticed something rather strange with OvationPro and some other programs. Using an espon stylus color and CC's turbo printer drivers I find that setting hte driver to mono priniting everything works ok, But in 4 colour mode black text is over inked and runs a lot. Only closer inspection I discovered that the colour model used to define the (text) colours is to blame. If you use RGB model to define black then the over inking occurs (It's my guess that CYM colours are added as well as the K in the printer/driver), if you just use the K(ey Black) in the CYMK colour model then it prints OK in 4 colour mode. My remidy for the moment is to change my default document to use base "black" which is just 100% K from the CYMK model. However !Draw and other applications do the same thing with printing, and any draw files embeded in OvationPro also over ink if using the wrong color model... ....Is there any chance of a "patch" to ovation pro to force occurences of RGB "black" to convert to K(ey) black. Thanks, Peter R.H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:58:28 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81044 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:58:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908529666:20:02875:16; Fri, 16 Oct 98 09:21:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002425; 16 Oct 98 9:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA02785 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:05:19 +0100 Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA02779 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:05:06 +0100 Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zU5pn-0000XC-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:06:07 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zU5pl-0005Jh-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:06:05 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:06:05 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26318696@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: Latest Version? Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:06:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi all, What is the latest version no. of Ovation Pro please? And how do I go about upgrading? (I usually upgrade at Acorn world shows but thas a sore point now...) Thanks, Peter R.H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:58:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81046 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:58:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908530751:20:14975:91; Fri, 16 Oct 98 09:39:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014894; 16 Oct 98 9:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA02917 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:26:28 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.freeserve.net (mail1.svr.freeserve.net [194.152.65.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02910 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:26:14 +0100 Received: from modem-59.silicon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.6.187] helo=rayd) by mail1.svr.freeserve.net with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #4) id 0zU6A7-00078g-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:27:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:52:32 +0100 Message-ID: <4895d90d91rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: TransDDF filter In-Reply-To: <81006@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <81006@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Would it not be possible in the next revison of OP to create a folder > >within the OP directory(similar to the autorun dir)where filters can > >reside; but rather than them being run, OP looks in there to see whats > >around; thus they are 'seen' by OP?? > Quite possible to create an autorun script for the existing program > which does what you want... I think I mentioned this before. I found a directory on my system which was custom made for keeping resources in that can be used for any program and which boots (not runs) them up so that they are available when wanted. I keep all the loaders in there together with !Fonts, !TWAIN !Java etc. It's called !Boot.Resources Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:58:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81048 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:58:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908534242:20:24229:21; Fri, 16 Oct 98 10:37:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105993; 16 Oct 98 10:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA03180 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:11:05 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03175 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:10:53 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.21]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA3996 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:06:16 +0100 Message-ID: <36278D3C.407A@net.ntl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:15:24 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Another printing/ ink query... References: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26318695@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I use a Canon BJC4000 and CC Turbodrivers, and recently ran out of black ink. So I temporarily configured the printer driver from 4-colour, All to 3-colour,All hoping that in effect, I'd be running with a printer that didn't have a separate black cartridge, and that black would then be made up from the CMY inks. However, this didn't fool OvPro (although I'm sure I've resorted to this in the past for other progs) - no black output was produced at all. I had to explicitly redefine the black in my document as a mixture of CMY from its default 100% K to get anything. I doubt this would happen if the printer really didn't have a black cartridge. Comments (40 marks) Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 15:17:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81087 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 15:17:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908546257:20:10039:15; Fri, 16 Oct 98 13:57:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009409; 16 Oct 98 13:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA03433 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:13:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03423 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:13:32 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zU9i4-0000j6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:14:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 13:54:28 GMT Message-Id: <81064@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Latest Version? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro You can get the latest version of OvationPro from the Beebug web site www.beebug.com. The latest version is 2.50 at; http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html The latest version on test is 2.51 at; http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade251/index.html You'll need to have 2.46 to upgrade from. If you have 2.45 then send your 2 main discs back to Beebug with return postage. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 15:17:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81088 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 15:17:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908546778:20:16280:15; Fri, 16 Oct 98 14:06:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115104; 16 Oct 98 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA03502 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:46:59 +0100 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81035 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:58:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 908521123:20:07495:1; Fri, 16 Oct 98 06:58:43 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117051; 16 Oct 98 6:58 GMT Received: from [194.222.175.160] (helo=lowri.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zU3qS-0004oz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:58:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:39:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4895ccd896ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tables In-Reply-To: <48957a1984pblenkinsop@moose.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48957a1984pblenkinsop@moose.co.uk>, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > What is the best way to implement tables in OPro? Tablemate Designer -- Ian Lowry, Cardiff Cadair wag. Gwaetha'r modd. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 15:17:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81089 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 15:17:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908547001:20:18962:17; Fri, 16 Oct 98 14:10:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018394; 16 Oct 98 14:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA03504 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:47:00 +0100 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81045 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:58:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 908530111:20:07875:0; Fri, 16 Oct 98 09:28:31 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.freeserve.net ([194.152.65.210]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007120; 16 Oct 98 9:27 GMT Received: from modem-59.silicon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.6.187] helo=rayd) by mail1.svr.freeserve.net with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #4) id 0zU6A5-00078g-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:27:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:45:31 +0100 Message-ID: <4895d868dbrayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tables In-Reply-To: <48957a1984pblenkinsop@moose.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48957a1984pblenkinsop@moose.co.uk>, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > What is the best way to implement tables in OPro? > Is there a style defined as in Inpression? That is not too smart a way to > do it. I use TableMate (Designer) from Dalriada. It works very well with OP and if you drop it in as a Tablemate file, you can use OLE to alter it. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 15:18:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81091 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 15:18:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908546969:10:29446:15; Fri, 16 Oct 98 14:09:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029416; 16 Oct 98 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA03445 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:14:09 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03428 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:13:41 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zU9iF-0000j6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:14:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 13:55:53 GMT Message-Id: <81066@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Over inking... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Using an espon stylus color and CC's turbo printer drivers I find that >setting hte driver to mono priniting everything works ok, But in 4 colour >mode black text is over inked and runs a lot. With Turbos it is possible to output CMYK colours direct from the printing application. And that's just what OPro does. It uses its own internal code for converting from RGB to CMYK and then sends those colours to the printer. How do you control this conversion? Colour Choices, 'Use Correction' table, and then the associated CC style 'curve'. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From pc.reeveshall@ic.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 18:26:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81100 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 18:26:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908557289:10:25134:1; Fri, 16 Oct 98 17:01:29 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.9]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025071; 16 Oct 98 17:01 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zUDFW-0000tj-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:01:10 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0zUDFW-0000Yx-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:01:10 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:01:09 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B2631869B@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk To: "'opro@pilling.demon.co.uk '" Subject: RE: Over inking... Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:01:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To chose between colour schemes I go to the colour list , select black, choose edit and ,using the standard acorn colour picker, select the CMYK radio button rather than use the RGB model one and Ok the colour.... Peter R.H. -----Original Message----- From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sent: 10/16/98 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Over inking... > Using an espon stylus color and CC's turbo printer drivers I find that >setting hte driver to mono priniting everything works ok, But in 4 colour >mode black text is over inked and runs a lot. With Turbos it is possible to output CMYK colours direct from the printing application. And that's just what OPro does. It uses its own internal code for converting from RGB to CMYK and then sends those colours to the printer. How do you control this conversion? Colour Choices, 'Use Correction' table, and then the associated CC style 'curve'. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 18:51:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81106 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 18:51:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908559400:20:10836:15; Fri, 16 Oct 98 17:36:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010809; 16 Oct 98 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA04028 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:20:36 +0100 Received: from rhubarb.moose.co.uk ([195.166.63.11] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04023 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:20:23 +0100 Received: from moose.co.uk (moose.co.uk [195.166.48.17]) by rhubarb.moose.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29153 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:21:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from pblenkinsop.moose.co.uk (195.166.48.224) by moose.co.uk with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2b6); Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:20:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:23:30 +0100 Message-ID: <489607d556pblenkinsop@moose.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.5 Subject: Re: Tables In-Reply-To: <4895ccd896ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4895ccd896ian@lowri.demon.co.uk>, Ian Lowry wrote: > In article <48957a1984pblenkinsop@moose.co.uk>, > Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > What is the best way to implement tables in OPro? > Tablemate Designer > -- > Ian Lowry, Cardiff Cadair wag. Gwaetha'r modd. > David Pilling > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. Ta. What about from within OP? Not possible? -- ======================================================================== My anti-spam remove is so complicated that only very, very bright people will be able to understand, remove it and reply to me. Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 18:51:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81105 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 18:51:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908559433:10:15653:15; Fri, 16 Oct 98 17:37:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015398; 16 Oct 98 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA04039 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:21:20 +0100 Received: from rhubarb.moose.co.uk ([195.166.63.11] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04034 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:21:06 +0100 Received: from moose.co.uk (moose.co.uk [195.166.48.17]) by rhubarb.moose.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29157 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:22:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from pblenkinsop.moose.co.uk (195.166.48.224) by moose.co.uk with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2b6); Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:21:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:24:12 +0100 Message-ID: <489607e5b4pblenkinsop@moose.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.5 Subject: Re: Tables In-Reply-To: <3626F991.97460E48@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <3626F991.97460E48@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > What do you mean by "best". I find table mate the fastest. But I would like > more math's functions in it. > Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > What is the best way to implement tables in OPro? > > > > Is there a style defined as in Inpression? That is not too smart a way to > > do it. > > > > -- > > ======================================================================== > > My anti-spam remove is so complicated that only very, very bright people > > will be able to understand, remove it and reply to me. > > Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- > John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web > http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 > Dyslexia rules k o My spell checker doesn't work with my mail package > I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station I want to be able to implment tables like Word does (spit curse etc). -- ======================================================================== My anti-spam remove is so complicated that only very, very bright people will be able to understand, remove it and reply to me. Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 21:12:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81114 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 21:12:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908565806:10:12697:27; Fri, 16 Oct 98 19:23:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012592; 16 Oct 98 19:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA04383 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:06:37 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04378 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:06:24 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.14.157]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA10478 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:01:48 +0100 Message-ID: <36280AC1.2147@net.ntl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:10:57 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Over inking... References: <81066@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > > Using an espon stylus color and CC's turbo printer drivers I find that > >setting hte driver to mono priniting everything works ok, But in 4 colour > >mode black text is over inked and runs a lot. > > With Turbos it is possible to output CMYK colours direct from the > printing application. And that's just what OPro does. It uses > its own internal code for converting from RGB to CMYK and then sends > those colours to the printer. > > How do you control this conversion? Colour Choices, 'Use Correction' table, > and then the associated CC style 'curve'. > What's the 'associated CC style 'curve'' ? The only option I have on mine is 'Typeset' Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 21:40:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81121 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 21:40:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908569714:20:13600:22; Fri, 16 Oct 98 20:28:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103235; 16 Oct 98 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA04582 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:06:26 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04577 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:06:00 +0100 Received: from [193.237.208.208] (helo=island-phase.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUG9R-0001fO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:07:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Norris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48961cb8d9mike@island-phase.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Over inking... In-Reply-To: <36280AC1.2147@net.ntl.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Use the !SepEd2 application supplied on the Turbodriver Discs. You can control all aspects of black and colour very simply. -- .. Just a Physicist playing with the Universe .. Mike Norris resides in the English Lake District ... Acorn StrongArm 233MHz RiscPC ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 22:12:03 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81124 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 22:12:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908570732:20:21911:18; Fri, 16 Oct 98 20:45:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021815; 16 Oct 98 20:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA04574 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:04:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA04561 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:04:26 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.149) [193.149.72.149] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zUG7u-00045R-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:05:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 09:41:46 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: TransDDF filter Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 16 Oct 98 (02:10:43), OvationPro List wrote: > > >Would it not be possible in the next revison of OP to create a fol= der> >within the OP directory(similar to the autorun dir)where filters<= nl>> >can reside; but rather than them being run, OP looks in there to see<= nl>> whats> >around; thus they are 'seen' by OP??> > Quite poss= ible to create an autorun script for the existing program> which does w= hat you want...> > > > David Pilling> > --> ema= il: david@pilling.demon.co.uk> web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pi= lling> web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk> post: David Pilling,= P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5> 1LR. UK.> > <= nl>> --> To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac= ..uk> with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageAn excellent idea David. For the programming dummies like me, that w= ould be a great service.I never had any of the Impression gang so I can= 't compare, thankfully. I just think, Ovation Pro is wonderful. I keep on d= iscovering new bits and inventing ways to use them. Thanks, David.K= en.-- __ __ __ __ __ ___ ___________________________= __________________...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines___= ________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:42:06 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUGi0-00036h-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:42:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 21:17:04 GMT Message-Id: <81119@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Over inking... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What's the 'associated CC style 'curve'' ? The only option I have on mine >is 'Typeset' Yes, but inside the colour supplement there is a directory which you can fill with these curves. If you do, then you'll get a menu of them in the OPro colour choices window, and you can take your pick. If you have any CC product, Turbo drivers, ArtWorks etc. you'll have some of these curves, tucked away inside !System.!CCShared.cmyk. You can copy them inside the OPro colour supplement. CC also give you a simple editing program to create your own sets of curves. One lot it's always worth having is 'linear' these perform the naive conversion from RGB to CMYK, which is probably not too far from what Acorns drivers do. >So I temporarily configured the printer driver from 4-colour, All >to 3-colour,All hoping that in effect, I'd be running with a printer that >didn't have a separate black cartridge, and that black would then be made >up from the CMY inks. Again I would suspect this is a result of OPro driving the printer direct using CMYK, rather than printing out RGB which the driver might be smart enough to convert to just CMY. There should be some easy way of stopping OPro from doing direct CMYK output to Turbos [1] >To chose between colour schemes I go to the colour list , select black, >choose edit and ,using the standard acorn colour picker, select the CMYK >radio button rather than use the RGB model one and Ok the colour.... Ah well it was a rhetorical question... What I replied is relevant though, if you're using Turbos and the Colour Supplement, and you don't like how RGB's print out, the solution is to use a different set of curves in the colour choices. == [1] There should be, but there doesn't appear to be. Unsetting "Printer$AllSeparations" would seem to be one route. And ISTR the printer drivers redefine that frequently. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 22:12:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81127 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 22:12:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908570627:10:22414:15; Fri, 16 Oct 98 20:43:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022342; 16 Oct 98 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA04575 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:05:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA04565 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:04:29 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.149) [193.149.72.149] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zUG7z-00045R-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:05:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 09:48:52 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Letters to this group. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I keep getting letters to this group that do not show up in the mail box except as something there. I have set my address book to identify letters connected with mail lists in different colours. It is very frustrating to open up the box to find apperently a load of unidentifiable nothing. OK, I'm picky, but that was why I went the RISC way. Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 22:12:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81128 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 22:12:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908571515:10:29759:18; Fri, 16 Oct 98 20:58:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029668; 16 Oct 98 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA04571 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:04:42 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA04556 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:04:20 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.149) [193.149.72.149] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zUG7p-00045R-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:05:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 09:32:42 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Booklet printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 15 Oct 98 (19:07:33), tomhopley@aol.com wrote: > I find the the Imposit applet brilliant for producing A6 booklets, 4 > pages to an A4 sheet, all perfectly paginated. But is it possible for > someone with better programming skills than me to improve(?) on it with > a "double booklet" > option? > . > Could the pages be arranged so that the top 2 pages printed on each A4 > sheet are repeated on the bottom half of the same A4 sheet, but still > correctly paginated? > It should be possible to collate and staple these A4 sheets and then to > guillotine this "double booklet" to produce 2 identical booklets. At > present, separate A4 sheets have to be chopped first, and then collated > and stapled together - much more fiddly. > Fingers crossed - Tom H > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > I am not quite sure what the functional difference between a Booklet and a Pamphlet is, unless a booklet is a multi paged pamphlet. A cut is necessary after printing for the former and before printing for the latter. So why not cut your paper into A5 and then setup for A6 pamphlets. You would then have the pagination and proper printing and only have to fold each set once. Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 23:15:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81137 for opro ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 23:15:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908573144:10:13191:33; Fri, 16 Oct 98 21:25:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013293; 16 Oct 98 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA05075 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:08:12 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05069 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:07:59 +0100 Received: from [158.152.66.67] (helo=tdesign.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUH7R-0006kU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:09:06 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by tdesign.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:10:30 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:10:22 +0100 From: Richard Benjamin To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Overprint in Artworks graphic / Ovation Message-ID: <4a9a1c9648%OvationPro@tdesign.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: TDC X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just converted an advert that was in Publisher+, to OP v2.50. The main graphic and logos etc are an Artworks file, wuth some items in overprinted black. A bitmap is placed behind (and shows through the 'gaps'. OP's text is used in the foreground as overprint black in front of part of the AW graphic (a graduated fill) The problem is that OP's text overprints allright, but the overprint stuff in the AW file doesnt. There was some discussion along similar lines recently, but I was not paying attention and it is now deleted. It was along the lines of using spot colours, or getting the colour names to match ? Help would be appreciated, -- Richard Benjamin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 17 15:18:32 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81168 for opro ; Sat, 17 Oct 98 15:18:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908631106:20:20327:15; Sat, 17 Oct 98 13:31:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020088; 17 Oct 98 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06056 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:13:59 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06046 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:13:38 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUWC4-0005Ci-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:14:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:48:44 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:48:26 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF filter Message-ID: <8316209648%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <81006@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <81006@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >Would it not be possible in the next revison of OP to create a folder > >within the OP directory(similar to the autorun dir)where filters > >can reside; but rather than them being run, OP looks in there to see whats > >around; thus they are 'seen' by OP?? > > Quite possible to create an autorun script for the existing program > which does what you want... eh?eh? whatsamantalkinabout? I'm a designer, not a programmer. How does one create a script that can go in the autorun dir that enables filters to be seen by OP? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 17 15:18:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81169 for opro ; Sat, 17 Oct 98 15:18:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908631435:20:22656:15; Sat, 17 Oct 98 13:37:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022377; 17 Oct 98 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06058 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:14:06 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06051 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:13:41 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUWC8-0005D0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:14:56 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:26:48 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:53:05 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF filter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4895d90d91rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4895d90d91rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <81006@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > >Would it not be possible in the next revison of OP to create a folder > > >within the OP directory(similar to the autorun dir)where filters can > > >reside; but rather than them being run, OP looks in there to see whats > > >around; thus they are 'seen' by OP?? > > > Quite possible to create an autorun script for the existing program > > which does what you want... > > I think I mentioned this before. > > I found a directory on my system which was custom made for keeping > resources in that can be used for any program and which boots (not runs) > them up so that they are available when wanted. I keep all the loaders in > there together with !Fonts, !TWAIN !Java etc. > > It's called !Boot.Resources Well yeah. but that really does separate the filters from the OP. I really like to keep things together, y'know, like. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 17 15:18:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81171 for opro ; Sat, 17 Oct 98 15:18:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908633652:20:07723:16; Sat, 17 Oct 98 14:14:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113738; 17 Oct 98 14:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06328 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:56:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06319 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:56:33 +0100 Received: from [158.152.35.208] (helo=forum) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUWrd-0003o7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:57:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:50:18 +0100 From: Andrew Tuson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Latest Version? Message-ID: <4b26789648%andy@forum.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <81064@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: at Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <81064@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > You can get the latest version of OvationPro from the Beebug > web site www.beebug.com. > > The latest version is 2.50 at; > > http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html Having downloaded the upgrade file, and upgraded a copy of V2.46, I get a 'Template Fields not found' error when I try to run OvPro. What do I need to do to get V2.50 to run correctly? -- Andrew Tuson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 17 16:17:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81178 for opro ; Sat, 17 Oct 98 16:17:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908636753:10:07107:18; Sat, 17 Oct 98 15:05:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006998; 17 Oct 98 15:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA06483 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:48:52 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06475 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:48:31 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUXfs-0007Gu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:49:44 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 15:26:09 GMT Message-Id: <81175@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Latest Version? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >V2.46, I get a 'Template Fields not found' error when I try >What do I need to do to get V2.50 to run correctly? Most honourable customer should read his instructions. You're getting this error because you've failed to copy the !OvnPro from the upgrade archive on top of the new OPro 2.50 on disc. You currently are using a 2.50 !RunImage with a 2.46 Templates file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 17 16:18:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81179 for opro ; Sat, 17 Oct 98 16:18:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908636708:20:29660:17; Sat, 17 Oct 98 15:05:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102945; 17 Oct 98 15:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA06481 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:48:49 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06471 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:48:26 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUXfo-0007Gu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:49:40 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 15:20:04 GMT Message-Id: <81173@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF filter X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> It's called !Boot.Resources >Well yeah. but that really does separate the filters from the OP. I really >like to keep things together, y'know, like. Really Ray Dawson is right, in general TransLoaders are shared resources. The transloader that loads a TIFF into ArtWorks, will also load it into OvationPro. So as with fonts, these things belong in Resources. Of course TransDDF is currently never used by anything besides OvationPro. Although it is not too far fetched to believe that may change in the future. Thinking about the trouble this has caused users, if I were starting over, I would dress up TransDDF to behave like an applet, stick it in the applet directory where people instinctively want to, and everyone would be happy... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:18:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81200 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:18:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908680528:10:04485:22; Sun, 18 Oct 98 03:15:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004283; 18 Oct 98 3:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA08308 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:49:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA08293 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:48:49 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.214) [193.149.72.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zUiv3-0002u1-00; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:50:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 21:18:44 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Over inking... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 16 Oct 98 (10:04:55 +0100), pc.reeveshall@ic.ac.uk wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm new to the list and this may have cropped up before but I've > noticed something rather strange with OvationPro and some other > programs. > > Using an espon stylus color and CC's turbo printer drivers I find that > setting hte driver to mono priniting everything works ok, But in 4 > colour mode black text is over inked and runs a lot. > > Only closer inspection I discovered that the colour model used to > define the (text) colours is to blame. If you use RGB model to define > black then the over inking occurs (It's my guess that CYM colours are > added as well as the K in the printer/driver), if you just use the K(ey > Black) in the CYMK colour model then it prints OK in 4 colour mode. > > My remidy for the moment is to change my default document to use base > "black" which is just 100% K from the CYMK model. > However !Draw and other applications do the same thing with printing, > and any draw files embeded in OvationPro also over ink if using the > wrong color > model... > > ...Is there any chance of a "patch" to ovation pro to force occurences > of RGB "black" to convert to K(ey) black. > > Thanks, > > Peter R.H. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message YOU want everything, don't you. That is the solution to your problem - the CMYK system. Why uninvent the wheel? You have Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and KBlack in your printer. Use the correct model for the printer. This is not a problem with Ovation Pro, Draw etc: probably not even with Turbo-Drivers! Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:18:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81201 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:18:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908644652:10:03633:18; Sat, 17 Oct 98 17:17:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117885; 17 Oct 98 17:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA06987 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:59:05 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06982 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:58:48 +0100 Received: from [158.152.60.112] (helo=narrator.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUZi1-0003N7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:00:06 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:52:02 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:51:29 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 49 to 50 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I jave successfully managed to install 2.50 but on booting it, get the error message Image Extend 0.78 or more required for Artworks applet. Where can I obtain this upgrade? Offers gratefully received. -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC OS 3.6 | neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| LONDON SW16 | 16Mb -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:18:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81204 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:18:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908652707:10:00396:15; Sat, 17 Oct 98 19:31:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120489; 17 Oct 98 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA07350 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:12:07 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07345 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:11:55 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUbmr-00041T-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:13:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:18:05 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Re: New Computer reply To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro As far as I can make out, you simply install a new version on the computer of version 2.46, then copy across: your applets folder your autorun files, !words if you use a dictionary and have added loads to it !OvnResdir/UK/sprites and sprites 22 if you have changed any icons. Then you should be able to lift across the main customisable parts of Ov Pro. It workded for me going round 16 computers at school....! Remember to double-click on !Words and !Resdir inside OPro after transfering across. On Tue 13 Oct, Ovation Pro wrote: > > Ovation Pro on a New Computer > > I am just about to change my computer from my trust old A540 > to a Risc PC. I have copied my 'old' hard disc to a SyQuest > and I can plug the SyQuest into the new Risc PC when it arrives. > > Will the Ovation Pro I have on the SyQuest transfer to the > new Risc PC or will the protection prevent it working? > > If the protection prevents it working then can I just reinstall > it from my original 2.46 disc or is there a 'token' which I have > to recover from the A540 first? > > If there is a token then can I recover the token from the SyQuest? > > Do I have to send my discs back to Beebug to get the token restored? > > If I have to reinstall from the 2.46 original discs then what > is the easiest way of getting back to the version I have now > (on the A540 and the SyQuest)? Note that I can't run both the > Risc PC and the A540 simultaneously because I have only one > monitor (and only a limited amount of space). > > Am I going to lose all my personal configuration settings > when I change machines? If so then do I have to reconfigure > everything from scratch or can I just copy some bits and > pieces over to the Risc PC from the SyQuest? > > > Gerald > -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:19:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81207 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:19:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908653418:10:05186:16; Sat, 17 Oct 98 19:43:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005068; 17 Oct 98 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA07598 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:28:08 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07591 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:27:55 +0100 Received: from Dave..zetnet.co.uk (manr-079.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.209]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07162 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:29:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:29:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4896972922davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: 49 to 50 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Neill McNeill wrote: > I jave successfully managed to install 2.50 but on booting it, get the > error message Image Extend 0.78 or more required for Artworks applet. > Where can I obtain this upgrade? > Offers gratefully received. It's in the RMStore directory in either the !Artworks or !AWViewer application directory. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:19:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81221 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:19:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908680528:10:04456:23; Sun, 18 Oct 98 03:15:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127231; 18 Oct 98 3:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA08312 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:49:34 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA08302 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:48:59 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.214) [193.149.72.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zUivD-0002u1-00; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:50:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 21:38:54 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Latest Version? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 16 Oct 98 (10:06:04 +0100), pc.reeveshall@ic.ac.uk wrote: > Hi all, > What is the latest version no. of Ovation Pro please? > And how do I go about upgrading? > (I usually upgrade at Acorn world shows but thas a sore point now...) > > Thanks, > > Peter R.H. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > 2.51 http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrades251/ -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:19:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81222 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:19:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908680596:10:04925:18; Sun, 18 Oct 98 03:16:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004709; 18 Oct 98 3:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA08310 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:49:25 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA08298 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:48:54 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.214) [193.149.72.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zUiv8-0002u1-00; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:50:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 21:28:10 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Another printing/ ink query... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 16 Oct 98 (11:15:24), pbready@net.ntl.com wrote: > I use a Canon BJC4000 and CC Turbodrivers, and recently ran out of > black ink. So I temporarily configured the printer driver from > 4-colour, All to 3-colour,All hoping that in effect, I'd be running > with a printer that didn't have a separate black cartridge, and that > black would then be made up from the CMY inks. > > However, this didn't fool OvPro (although I'm sure I've resorted to > this in the past for other progs) - no black output was produced at > all. I had to explicitly redefine the black in my document as a > mixture of CMY from its default 100% K to get anything. I doubt this > would happen if the printer really didn't have a black cartridge. > > Comments (40 marks) > > Pete Bready > pbready@net.ntl.com > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > This is a lamentable case of a system doing what it is designed to do and still receiving complaints. Really gets my goat up. What you need are /smart cartridges/ that transfer the load when the black fails. Cartridges are dear enough without incorporating a disposable computer in them. Of course, you could write a programme to do this and make as many Millions as David does! This is not an OvnPro problem but a Printer Driver problem. Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:20:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81231 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:20:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908717662:10:12113:24; Sun, 18 Oct 98 13:34:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114706; 18 Oct 98 13:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA09311 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:49:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09306 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:49:25 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUsIO-00064U-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:50:53 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:58:39 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:58:31 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF filter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <81173@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <81173@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >> It's called !Boot.Resources > >Well yeah. but that really does separate the filters from the OP. I really > >like to keep things together, y'know, like. > > Really Ray Dawson is right, in general TransLoaders are shared resources. > The transloader that loads a TIFF into ArtWorks, will also load it into > OvationPro. So as with fonts, these things belong in Resources. OK. I know when I'm beaten. Resources it is. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:20:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81232 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:20:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908718005:10:13792:17; Sun, 18 Oct 98 13:40:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122132; 18 Oct 98 13:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA09349 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:04:41 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09344 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:04:29 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUsWr-0003Gj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:05:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:06:09 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:59:24 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Latest Version? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <81175@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <81175@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >V2.46, I get a 'Template Fields not found' error when I try > >What do I need to do to get V2.50 to run correctly? > > > Most honourable customer should read his instructions. > > You're getting this error because you've failed to copy the !OvnPro > from the upgrade archive on top of the new OPro 2.50 on disc. > > You currently are using a 2.50 !RunImage with a 2.46 Templates file. > Patience of a saint. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:20:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81236 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:20:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908722254:10:07907:17; Sun, 18 Oct 98 14:50:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124554; 18 Oct 98 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09615 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:37:13 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09610 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:37:00 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.40]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA20937 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:32:46 +0100 Message-ID: <362A6EB5.6243@net.ntl.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:41:57 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another printing/ ink query...addendum References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Someone Else wrote: > > This is a lamentable case of a system doing what it is designed to do and still > receiving complaints. Really gets my goat up. What you need are /smart > cartridges/ that transfer the load when the black fails. Cartridges are dear > enough without incorporating a disposable computer in them. Of course, you > could write a programme to do this and make as many Millions as David does! > This is not an OvnPro problem but a Printer Driver problem. > Ken. > -- Another lamentable query for Someone Else's goat, perhaps you can therefore enlighten us all as what the '3 colour, all' option in the printer driver 'is designed to do'? An afterthought following my previous submission on this, if OvPro is smart enough to know that the printer is in 3 colour mode, and therefore doesn't print 100% K text as I explained, isn't that at odds with its setting to print all separations? Pete Bready (who is otherwise kind to animals, goats included) pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:20:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81238 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:20:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908725693:10:28375:40; Sun, 18 Oct 98 15:48:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115082; 18 Oct 98 15:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA09765 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:31:55 +0100 Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09760 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:31:40 +0100 From: Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id JYRVa13873 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <70d85cac.362a09fb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:32:11 EDT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Booklet printing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro May I repeat my request for HELP on this. I regularly need to print A6 booklets - cover sheets printed on card straight from !Draw (no problem) and 16 inside pages. I'd like to print these inside pages so that I can collate and staple the lot at A4 size before guillotining the "double booklet" into 2. I had 2 replies to my previous request: "Kid's stuff" says David, and "interesting exercise for the user". "Do some logical thinking" says Mr van Vredenburch,"nothing to do with Imposit" I didn't expect David to sit down and start working it out for me, but I wish he'd let his "kid" reply. The results of my exercises are filling my wpb. And here are some results of my "logical thinking": vV is saying in effect "I know how to do it but I'm not telling you, so there! " Now why would someone say that to a fellow Acorn user? The solution must be that it's pathetically, blindingly obvious and very very simple. How simple? Well David gives full answers on many things, so it must be simper than eg. following upgrade instructions or working out where to put DDF resources. So here are some results of my "interesting exercises": 1, Set up an inflexible arrangement of 8 OP pages each with 4 A6 boxes, the lower ones inverted and a spider's web of links. Now flow a second copy of the document, not forgetting to repeat and position non-embedded objects - - Yuk! 2. Arrange a half size (A5) version to be printed on half the A4 sheets using pamphlet. Turn the sheets and put them through the printer again. - -Not simple to arrange, and not with my HP laser printer anyway - I'd be clearing paper jams all day. 3. Append a second copy to the end of the document, re-number these copied pages and print using Imposit>Booklet. - -No. This works for an 8 page booklet, not for 16. One copy is fine, the second goes page 9 to 16, then 1 to 8. Pity! How about printIng from (range ) 1 to 16, then separately 17 to 32. - -Only works if you're prepared to fold the sheets but then you can't staple them. And flowing the second copy of a document containing lots of non-embedded objects is a pain. Another failure! Ah well, when logic fails, question your basic assumptions - but I'll have another coffee first! I'm obviously missing something, If you can HELP I'd be very, very grateful for a HELPFUL reply. - I'd like to keep my fond illusions about Acorn users. Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:20:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81242 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:20:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908741882:10:10400:22; Sun, 18 Oct 98 20:18:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010389; 18 Oct 98 20:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA10229 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:58:20 +0100 Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10224 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:58:07 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop4-40.access.ch [195.112.73.168]) by mail.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.08pri) id VAA23291 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:59:29 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:57:55 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Booklet printing To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <70d85cac.362a09fb@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 18 Oct, Tomhopley@aol.com wrote: > May I repeat my request for HELP on this. I regularly need to print A6 > booklets - cover sheets printed on card straight from !Draw (no problem) and > 16 inside pages. I'd like to print these inside pages so that I can collate > and staple the lot at A4 size before guillotining the "double booklet" into 2. > Snip a lot > > I'm obviously missing something, As I understood your question, and apparently David as well, was that you wanted to halve your pages and have a repeat of the top half at the bottom. In that case create a layout with a separate text frame on the bottom half of your page. On the master page link this frame to itself. Now type in your text in the available top half of your pages and when finished copy the whole text into the text frame at the bottom of your 1st page. To make things easier, create 2 text frames, one at the top half of your A4 page, the other a copy of the 1st frame at the bottom. Then you are sure that the sizes and layout remain the same. Do keep a small margin outside of these frames to prevent an unnecessary extra page at the end of your document. When you now print this you only need to guillotine once. Personally I would have then created the text as 2 columns. Selecting Trinity font size 12 and a Laser printer the output is maybe with small characters, but very readable. Otherwise try 14 point. I hope what precedes is enough to give you more ideas how to create all kinds of layouts. -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:20:44 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81245 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:20:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908748267:10:21370:20; Sun, 18 Oct 98 22:04:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127873; 18 Oct 98 22:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA10445 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:51:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10440 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:50:59 +0100 Received: from [194.222.132.205] (helo=beebware.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zV0kR-0006TR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:52:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:51:54 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Risc User To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post does not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Warning-1: Sending mail to this address indicates acceptance of X-Warning-2: our Acceptable Use Policy which is on public display X-Warning-3: on our website and via our autoresponder. X-Autoresponder: info@beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I know this is the wrong place to ask, but... Does anyone know when the next/current/last issue of Risc User was due out? I'm asking because the last issue I received was 11.6 some time ago. Cheers, Richy C. -- ..sig finally getting the hang of OVPro now. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:20:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81246 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:20:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908750489:10:06609:18; Sun, 18 Oct 98 22:41:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006367; 18 Oct 98 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA10570 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:27:34 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10565 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:27:22 +0100 Received: from [158.152.78.65] (helo=ypical.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zV1Jn-00031b-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:28:55 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:25:12 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF filter Message-ID: <9da51a9748%fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Alan Muscat wrote: > In message <81173@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > >> It's called !Boot.Resources > > >Well yeah. but that really does separate the filters from the OP. I really > > >like to keep things together, y'know, like. > > > > Really Ray Dawson is right, in general TransLoaders are shared resources. > > The transloader that loads a TIFF into ArtWorks, will also load it into > > OvationPro. So as with fonts, these things belong in Resources. > > OK. I know when I'm beaten. Resources it is. Or you could add Repeat Filer_Boot -Applications -Tasks to your DeskBoot file. Or have you tried this? -- Fred Mailto:fred@ypical.demon.co.uk PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:20:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81247 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:20:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908750973:10:09355:29; Sun, 18 Oct 98 22:49:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009339; 18 Oct 98 22:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA10617 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:36:25 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10610 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:36:10 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-13.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.73]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA18683 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:37:04 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:40:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: TransDDF filter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 17 Oct, Alan Muscat wrote: > > Really Ray Dawson is right, in general TransLoaders are shared resources. > > The transloader that loads a TIFF into ArtWorks, will also load it into > > OvationPro. So as with fonts, these things belong in Resources. > > OK. I know when I'm beaten. Resources it is. Is it not ok just to put an Obey file in Resources and leave the filters in OPro.Filters (where you can constantly upgrade them) if that makes you feel more comfortable? tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:20:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81249 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:20:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908755045:10:04313:17; Sun, 18 Oct 98 23:57:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113776; 18 Oct 98 23:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA11061 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:36:46 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA11056 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:36:29 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-13.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.73]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA21113 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:35:50 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:38:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Booklet printing To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 18 Oct, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > As I understood your question, and apparently David as well, was that you > wanted to halve your pages and have a repeat of the top half at the bottom. > In that case create a layout with a separate text frame on the bottom half > of your page. On the master page link this frame to itself. Now type in > your text in the available top half of your pages and when finished copy > the whole text into the text frame at the bottom of your 1st page. > To make things easier, create 2 text frames, one at the top half of your > A4 page, the other a copy of the 1st frame at the bottom. Then you are sure > that the sizes and layout remain the same. > Do keep a small margin outside of these frames to prevent an unnecessary > extra page at the end of your document. > > When you now print this you only need to guillotine once. Personally I > would have then created the text as 2 columns. Selecting Trinity font size > 12 and a Laser printer the output is maybe with small characters, but very > readable. Otherwise try 14 point. Yep, except I'd make the page A6 width and A4 length. Print Pamphlet onto A4 paper. The reason for this is a general principle - *always* work at 100%, *always* work on your real page size (not eg your printer paper size!). For all sorts of reasons. tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:21:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81256 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:21:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908790888:10:24773:27; Mon, 19 Oct 98 09:54:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116999; 19 Oct 98 9:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11740 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:35:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA11734 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:35:17 +0100 Received: from (193.149.93.140) [193.149.93.140] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zVBii-0007VZ-00; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:35:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rey Cobham) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:17:08 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Risc User Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 19 Oct 98 (01:07:36 +0100), charlton@argonet.co.uk wrote: > In article , > Richard Chiswell wrote: > > I'm asking because the last issue I received was 11.6 some time > > ago. > I understand this was raised a short while ago and the message was the > next issue is being composed and will be out s h o r t l y not quite > sure how long is shortly meant to be though......!:-/ Got mine this morning (Tue 19th). Tho' there still isn't anything about Acorns departure from the Acorn scene! How old is the news in it? An article on a Wella/Acorn promo that was /ages/ ago and it tells us to check the teletext during September! :o( Its even suggested that we should go get some tickets for Acorn World. Hmmm. Don't get me wrong the layout and majority of the articles I like, but some of the news stories/articles are completely redundant - sometimes by a couple of months! There is also the bad news that BEEBUG /are/ closing down the retail side of things, although they'll continue to supply OV Pro plus all their own brew stuff. Having only recently 'converted' to OV Pro from Style 1.5 months ago I'm kinda glad they're keeping it going. Now, maybe is the time that we started paying for the bigger upgrades to OV Pro, annually or per upgrade. If there's no/little money coming to D. Pilling from new sales of this excellent piece of software, then what are the chances of its continuing development? BTW does anyone know if that OV Pro -> HTML converter is still being worked on, by a company called 'Levens' IIRC. TTFN Rey -- (~) ( ) (~) (~) (_) (_) (_) (~) (_) E-mail: foxy@argonet.co.uk ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:21:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81262 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:21:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908799501:10:19444:33; Mon, 19 Oct 98 12:18:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020548; 19 Oct 98 12:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA11979 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:02:30 +0100 Received: from bowmore.cc.ic.ac.uk (bowmore.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA11974 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:02:14 +0100 Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by bowmore.cc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.58 #2) id 0zVE0u-00068G-00; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:02:16 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zVE0s-0005D2-00; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:02:14 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:02:12 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B263186A0@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Over inking... Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:02:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I want ease of use. Opening a draw file and recolouring every element is not my idea of productivity. If Ovation Pro and/or the printer driver could re-map 100% R , 100% G and 100% B to 100% K then I would be happy. I don't belive it is a colour table problem more a conversion problem. ----------------------- YOU want everything, don't you. That is the solution to your problem - the CMYK system. Why uninvent the wheel? You have Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and KBlack in your printer. Use the correct model for the printer. This is not a problem with Ovation Pro, Draw etc: probably not even with Turbo-Drivers! Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:21:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81264 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:21:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908800641:10:01176:25; Mon, 19 Oct 98 12:37:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101995; 19 Oct 98 12:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA12024 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:13:49 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12019 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:13:38 +0100 Received: from [158.152.120.130] (helo=RiscPC01.winnersh.foursqre.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVEBx-0006uk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:13:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:04:58 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User Message-ID: <41316b9748%peter@RiscPC01.winnersh.foursqre.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: FourSquare Computing Limited X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > I know this is the wrong place to ask, but... > Does anyone know when the next/current/last issue of Risc User was > due out? > I'm asking because the last issue I received was 11.6 some time > ago. Well, my copy arrived in this morning's post. The news is very much out of date - no mention of the closure of workstation division, or 'postponement' of Acorn World show. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bell - peter@foursqre.demon.co.uk - FourSquare Computing Ltd 5 Drome Path, Winnersh, Wokingham, Berkshire RG41 5HB, UK. Tel. +44 (0) 118 989 0982 Fax. +44 (0) 118 979 4639 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:21:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81265 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:21:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908809090:10:01913:42; Mon, 19 Oct 98 14:58:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114962; 19 Oct 98 14:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12373 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:38:50 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12368 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:38:38 +0100 Received: from [158.152.118.28] (helo=hallas.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVGRC-0003pv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:37:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:24:50 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User Message-ID: <8bfb829748%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > > > I'm asking because the last issue I received was 11.6 some time > > > ago. > > I understand this was raised a short while ago and the message was > > the next issue is being composed and will be out s h o r t l y not > > quite sure how long is shortly meant to be though......!:-/ > Got mine this morning (Tue 19th). Tho' there still isn't anything > about Acorns departure from the Acorn scene! How old is the news in > it? An article on a Wella/Acorn promo that was /ages/ ago and it > tells us to check the teletext during September! :o( Its even > suggested that we should go get some tickets for Acorn World. Hmmm. > > Don't get me wrong the layout and majority of the articles I like, > but some of the news stories/articles are completely redundant - > sometimes by a couple of months! I'm sorry - it's frustrating for me, too! 11:7 is indeed out now - it appeared last week, and I've seen it, though my own subscription copy still hasn't turned up. It was held up because: (a) My SyQuest drive broke down at the same time that Sheridan was laid up after a minor motoring accident, and it was consequently not possible to arrange an alternative means of getting the files from me to Beebug for a fortnight! (b) Said accident meant that he couldn't get the magazine to the printers for a while in any case; (c) Apparently when they'd been printed, he held things up for a while in order to get an extra insertion put in, to say what was happening to Beebug, after the bad news came from Acorn. I haven't seen that, so I don't know what it says. So, 11:7 was finished *ages* ago - long before the news came from Acorn. As usual, I'm sorry it's been so much delayed, but things usually seem to take longer than I expect them to, and it was particularly bad in this instance because of circumstances. Anyway, 11:8 makes up for the absence of Acorn news by having some *major* articles on the subject, with information that you definitely won't find elsewhere. I think you'll find it all interesting; though of course I can't guarantee that everything that's mentioned in the issue will go ahead! But it's a comprehensive snapshot of the situation as it existed last week, up to the announcement from Castle. 11:8's at the printers this week, and I'm hoping that we can get it dealt with quickly this time, and to make up for the delay with the last one, to enable it to be at least reasonably up to date. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:21:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81267 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:21:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908809268:10:03597:19; Mon, 19 Oct 98 15:01:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003881; 19 Oct 98 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12380 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:39:42 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12375 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:39:28 +0100 Received: from [158.152.118.28] (helo=hallas.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVGSI-00041c-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:38:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:24:50 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User Message-ID: <8bfb829748%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > > > I'm asking because the last issue I received was 11.6 some time > > > ago. > > I understand this was raised a short while ago and the message was > > the next issue is being composed and will be out s h o r t l y not > > quite sure how long is shortly meant to be though......!:-/ > Got mine this morning (Tue 19th). Tho' there still isn't anything > about Acorns departure from the Acorn scene! How old is the news in > it? An article on a Wella/Acorn promo that was /ages/ ago and it > tells us to check the teletext during September! :o( Its even > suggested that we should go get some tickets for Acorn World. Hmmm. > > Don't get me wrong the layout and majority of the articles I like, > but some of the news stories/articles are completely redundant - > sometimes by a couple of months! I'm sorry - it's frustrating for me, too! 11:7 is indeed out now - it appeared last week, and I've seen it, though my own subscription copy still hasn't turned up. It was held up because: (a) My SyQuest drive broke down at the same time that Sheridan was laid up after a minor motoring accident, and it was consequently not possible to arrange an alternative means of getting the files from me to Beebug for a fortnight! (b) Said accident meant that he couldn't get the magazine to the printers for a while in any case; (c) Apparently when they'd been printed, he held things up for a while in order to get an extra insertion put in, to say what was happening to Beebug, after the bad news came from Acorn. I haven't seen that, so I don't know what it says. So, 11:7 was finished *ages* ago - long before the news came from Acorn. As usual, I'm sorry it's been so much delayed, but things usually seem to take longer than I expect them to, and it was particularly bad in this instance because of circumstances. Anyway, 11:8 makes up for the absence of Acorn news by having some *major* articles on the subject, with information that you definitely won't find elsewhere. I think you'll find it all interesting; though of course I can't guarantee that everything that's mentioned in the issue will go ahead! But it's a comprehensive snapshot of the situation as it existed last week, up to the announcement from Castle. 11:8's at the printers this week, and I'm hoping that we can get it dealt with quickly this time, and to make up for the delay with the last one, to enable it to be at least reasonably up to date. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:22:00 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81269 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:21:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908810323:10:15586:16; Mon, 19 Oct 98 15:18:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129002; 19 Oct 98 15:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12471 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:58:17 +0100 Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (sams@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12466 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:58:06 +0100 Received: from localhost (sams@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21552 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:00:06 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:00:06 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User In-Reply-To: <41316b9748%peter@RiscPC01.winnersh.foursqre.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Peter Bell wrote: > In message you wrote: > > I know this is the wrong place to ask, but... > > Does anyone know when the next/current/last issue of Risc User was > > due out? > > I'm asking because the last issue I received was 11.6 some time > > ago. > > Well, my copy arrived in this morning's post. > > The news is very much out of date - no mention of the closure of > workstation division, or 'postponement' of Acorn World show. I think the postponement of Acorn World is now old news :-) (The show would have been last weekend IIRC). So technically, you are saying that there is no old new in there. :) Just me being pedantic. Cheers Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:22:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81272 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:22:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908811333:10:26345:100; Mon, 19 Oct 98 15:35:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103640; 19 Oct 98 15:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12572 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:12:22 +0100 Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12566 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:12:09 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-115.access.ch [195.112.70.115]) by mail.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.08pri) id RAA12296 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:12:07 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:09:33 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Font Naming with EFPro To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 19 Oct, Mike Hunter wrote: > Greetings > > In upgrading to v2.51 I decided to try to sort out the anomalies with font > naming. Understandable, because OP does do things a bit different than other DTP er WP programs. > I use EasyFont Pro rather than !Fonts. I have been following the discussion > on Messages1 files but these will not be relevant for EFPro(!?). > > A question - > > When I use my copy 2.50 the font listing shows the bold and italics as > follows > > For example for Homerton the listing shows > Bold (B) > Bold.Oblique (BI) > Medium (N) > Medium.Oblique (NI) Which applet is this? I have !FontCat version 1.01 which does not show any labels in brackets. snip > I use Regular as the base font and get ExtraBold when I click italic and > Medium when I press normal - not really what I want! But correct. > The (unused) copy of 2.51 does not show the labels in brackets yet. The brackets are of no importance in handling the fonts. > Where do the labels come from and can they be controlled? See my question/answer above. It is not by controlling the labels that you get what you want. > Alternatively is there another way of solving the problem with EFPro? Nor has EFPro anything to do with it. It all depends on the filing structure of your font. With OP the font is scanned from top to bottom through the 1st sub-directory it finds. In your case with Antiqua italic will appear as Bold.Italic. What you must do is restructure your font. Have a look at other fonts where things happen as you would expect and note it's filing structure. This means deleting Antiqua from EFPro (you did extract copies of all your fonts I hope, otherwise do that first) and after restructuring Antiqua put it first in !Fonts and run this. Now check that the newly structured font behaves as you expect, try out all weights to be sure. When everything is all right put the newly structured font back into EFPro. To start you off (IO stand for the 2 font metric + outline files): Antiqua |_________________________________________________________________ | | | | IO Bold Caps etc. |___________ |___________ | | | | Italic IO Medium IO |___________ | | | IO Bold IO | IO Mind that you do select the correct IO files evry time. The result is that you have (Regular) at the top level, then start with Bold, next down the chain is Italic and under that you have the Italic-bold version. Which is all you need for OP's buttons. Work it out on paper first. To help you sort out your filing stuctures I'll send you directly a handy utility showing the layout in a window. Save this using Paint's snapshot facility. Then you can see where things go wrong. Hope this helps. Regards JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:22:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81286 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:22:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908711210:20:19330:15; Sun, 18 Oct 98 11:46:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019278; 18 Oct 98 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA09041 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:29:50 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09036 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:29:38 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.14.222]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA9615 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:25:22 +0100 Message-ID: <362A42CD.5221@net.ntl.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:34:37 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another printing/ ink query... and high umbrage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Someone Else wrote: > > > This is a lamentable case of a system doing what it is designed to do and still > receiving complaints. Really gets my goat up. What you need are /smart > cartridges/ that transfer the load when the black fails. Cartridges are dear > enough without incorporating a disposable computer in them. Of course, you > could write a programme to do this and make as many Millions as David does! > This is not an OvnPro problem but a Printer Driver problem. > Ken. > -- Rather than sit (anonymously - I suppose someone else might find 'Someone Else' funny) atop an ivory tower and disparage what others might ask, I would point 'someone else' to the helpful and supportive comments that David P responded with to my observations. I went back and tried to replicate what I had suggested I had previously done (ie. use the 3 colour,all setting in the printer driver to overcome running out of black ink), and this is what occurred: using the same text file loaded into both Impression and OvPro (each with text defined as 100% k), the former printed out the page with no problems, while, as I had reported, OVPro doesn't. Interestingly (at least to me, if not anybody (or should that be someone) else), the Turbodriver queue showed its usual 72bytes message at the start of the print for the OVpro run, but no page was printed. At least OvPro saves paper in this respect! If I put another non-black object on the page, OVpro prints that but no text. No doubt there'll be arguments over what's 'right', but I can tell you which I find more useful. Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:23:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81304 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:23:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908756928:20:18495:15; Mon, 19 Oct 98 00:28:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018435; 19 Oct 98 0:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA11188 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:10:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA11183 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:10:45 +0100 Received: from (194.69.101.88) [194.69.101.88] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zV2uK-000388-00; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:10:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:07:36 +0100 Message-ID: <489734803dcharlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Risc User In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Richard Chiswell wrote: > I'm asking because the last issue I received was 11.6 some time > ago. I understand this was raised a short while ago and the message was the next issue is being composed and will be out s h o r t l y not quite sure how long is shortly meant to be though......!:-/ -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 19:23:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81305 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:23:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908787853:20:13211:15; Mon, 19 Oct 98 09:04:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013175; 19 Oct 98 9:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA11595 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:52:20 +0100 Received: from gateb.bbc.co.uk (gateb.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11590 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:52:08 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateb.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id J Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:52:03 +0100 Message-Id: Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:51:58 +0100 From: Mike Hunter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Font Naming with EFPro Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:50:24 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings In upgrading to v2.51 I decided to try to sort out the anomalies with font naming. I use EasyFont Pro rather than !Fonts. I have been following the discussion on Messages1 files but these will not be relevant for EFPro(!?). A question - When I use my copy 2.50 the font listing shows the bold and italics as follows For example for Homerton the listing shows Bold (B) Bold.Oblique (BI) Medium (N) Medium.Oblique (NI) Just as I would expect. However Antiqua shows up as follows Bold (B) Bold.Italic (BI) Caps.Medium Caps.Regular ExtraBold ExtraBold.Italic (I) Medium (N) Medium.Italic Regular Regular.Italic .... and some others I use Regular as the base font and get ExtraBold when I click italic and Medium when I press normal - not really what I want! The (unused) copy of 2.51 does not show the labels in brackets yet. Where do the labels come from and can they be controlled? Alternatively is there another way of solving the problem with EFPro? Regards Michael -- Michael Hunter michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Acorn Computer and OvationPro Fan Audio Engineering Lecturer, Centre for Broadcast Skills Training http://www.bbc.co.uk/woodnorton/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 21:50:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81341 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 21:50:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908823903:10:28252:52; Mon, 19 Oct 98 19:05:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128428; 19 Oct 98 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA13261 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:36:52 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA13256 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:36:40 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.14.223]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA3518 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:31:03 +0100 Message-ID: <362BF78D.1525@net.ntl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:38:05 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Filename Applet References: <489445685esteve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steve wrote: > > I am using the above applet, but would like to use it 'live' > > In Fireworks a similar feature exists and when I move a file from one > directory to another, Fireworks automatically updates the 'pathname / > filename' in the document footer. > > Is this possible using the above applet with OP. I can't seem to get it to > do it, but I may be missing something. > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Steve > I achieve this using the new mail merge facilities viz: Put the MERGE commands shown below into a file, set its type to OVPDDL, open a blank Ovpro document and drag the OVPDDL file to it, then use Misc/Insert/merge tag to insert the necessary merge fields. Then preview the document using File/Mail Merge, clicking on the 'First' button to see the results. If you have any probs, I can mail you an example OvPro file directly. Cheers Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com MERGE_02={merge 901 "time" "{gettimestring(\"%24:%MI:%SE\",macv)}"} MERGE_03={merge 902 "filename" "{fileinfo(currentfile(),macv)}"} MERGE_04={merge 903 "numpages" "{int i,n,f,c;f=currentfile();c=documentchapters(f);for(i=0;i; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:09:37 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.168) [193.149.77.168] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zVLch-0002zy-00; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:09:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Wild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:05:08 +0100 Message-ID: <48979ca51ddhwild@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Risc User In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Rey Cobham wrote: > Got mine this morning (Tue 19th). It was Monday ht 19th here. :-) -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Acorn Risc_PC | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dhwild@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 21:50:12 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81344 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 21:50:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908829090:20:22441:18; Mon, 19 Oct 98 20:31:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022331; 19 Oct 98 20:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA13506 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:14:18 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13501 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:14:06 +0100 Received: from [158.152.78.65] (helo=ypical.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVLh2-0003em-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:14:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:24:33 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User Message-ID: <6ee989748%fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <489734803dcharlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <489734803dcharlton@argonet.co.uk> Bob Charlton wrote: > In article , > Richard Chiswell wrote: > > I'm asking because the last issue I received was 11.6 some time > > ago. > I understand this was raised a short while ago and the message was > the next issue is being composed and will be out s h o r t l y not > quite sure how long is shortly meant to be though......!:-/ > Received mine today. Must have a really long lead time. No mention at all of recent disasters and no clues as to their own situation other than a flyer for their closing down sale. -- Fred Mailto:fred@ypical.demon.co.uk PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 22:58:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81360 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 22:58:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908834287:10:23286:40; Mon, 19 Oct 98 21:58:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023342; 19 Oct 98 21:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA13756 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:23:10 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13736 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:22:29 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVMlE-0005l8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:22:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 22:02:35 GMT Message-Id: <81352@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another printing/ ink query... and high umbrage X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I went back and tried to replicate what I had suggested I had previously >done (ie. use the 3 colour,all setting in the printer driver to overcome >running out of black ink) To tell the truth. If OPro identifies a Turbo driver, it will drive it direct in CMYK mode. Now the bug is that it does this even if the Turbo signals it is only capable of CMY output. That I think explains matters. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 22:58:26 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81362 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 22:58:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908833093:20:28627:30; Mon, 19 Oct 98 21:38:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103471; 19 Oct 98 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA13757 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:23:14 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13740 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:22:31 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVMlF-0005l8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:22:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 22:07:02 GMT Message-Id: <81354@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Over inking... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Opening a draw file and recolouring every element is not my idea of >productivity. >If Ovation Pro and/or the printer driver could re-map 100% R , 100% G and >100% B to 100% K then I would be happy. Well with Turbos, the mapping from RGB to CMYK is fully under your control via the 'curve' you use. And this is global, no twiddling the colours of individual objects. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 22:59:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81363 for opro ; Mon, 19 Oct 98 22:59:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908834083:20:07277:45; Mon, 19 Oct 98 21:54:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007026; 19 Oct 98 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA13753 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:23:06 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13732 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:22:27 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVMlC-0005l8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:22:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 21:57:21 GMT Message-Id: <81350@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font Naming with EFPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Medium.Oblique (NI) >Which applet is this? I have !FontCat version 1.01 which does not show any >labels in brackets. >> Where do the labels come from and can they be controlled? int getfontsubname(int fn,int sn,int bits,string & s); bit 0 ==1 add (NBI) to font name. In one version, 2.50 I think, I left this bit set in the !Menulib script file. (and very few people noticed this new 'feature'). I had been doing some work on improving font mapping, so I needed to see how the names were mapped. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 01:45:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81368 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 01:45:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908835317:20:18931:16; Mon, 19 Oct 98 22:15:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111870; 19 Oct 98 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA13758 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:23:16 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13745 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:22:33 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVMlH-0005l8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:22:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 22:10:26 GMT Message-Id: <81356@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Booklet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >As I understood your question, and apparently David as well, was that you >wanted to halve your pages and have a repeat of the top half at the bottom. Well you can always do 'imposition' by saying one page in the DTP program is one piece of paper, and arranging things as needed. Although this case is simpler than most, just 2 copies of each 'page' on each document page. This is not the easy way do things. The effort you'd expend in just one document would be enough to write an imposition script that would do the work for all time. >"Kid's stuff" says David, and "interesting exercise for the user". Obviously I wasn't clear enough. The way you solve this is by creating a new imposition script. It then becomes another option on the print format menu, it does all the work automatically for you. Methods that depend as above on modifying the document are going to be horrible. You can tell I didn't think about them. The difficulty is that creating one of these scripts is work for a programmer, and although its straightforward it needs a lot of thought. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 01:45:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81369 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 01:45:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908836423:20:28002:19; Mon, 19 Oct 98 22:33:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111800; 19 Oct 98 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA14165 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:22:59 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA14160 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:22:47 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.14.204]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA24243 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:17:16 +0100 Message-ID: <362C2CF0.3E5@net.ntl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:25:52 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another printing/ ink query References: <81352@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > >I went back and tried to replicate what I had suggested I had previously > >done (ie. use the 3 colour,all setting in the printer driver to overcome > >running out of black ink) > > To tell the truth. If OPro identifies a Turbo driver, it will drive > it direct in CMYK mode. Now the bug is that it does this even if > the Turbo signals it is only capable of CMY output. > > That I think explains matters. > > David Pilling > Once again, David, thanks for the reasoned response - it's said goats will eat anything - even Someone Else's words ? I look forward to 2.52 where this will no doubt be resolved (only joking - I'll go buy some black ink!) Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 01:45:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81373 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 01:45:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908842784:20:17458:18; Tue, 20 Oct 98 00:19:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017169; 20 Oct 98 0:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA14375 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:46:12 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA14370 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:46:00 +0100 Received: from [194.222.132.205] (helo=beebware.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVP06-0003Lq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:46:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:12:09 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Re: Risc User To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199810192200.XAA14030@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post does not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Warning-1: Sending mail to this address indicates acceptance of X-Warning-2: our Acceptable Use Policy which is on public display X-Warning-3: on our website and via our autoresponder. X-Autoresponder: info@beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 18 Oct, I wrote: > I know this is the wrong place to ask, but... > Does anyone know when the next/current/last issue of Risc User was > due out? > I'm asking because the last issue I received was 11.6 some time > ago. and several hours later (in fact first post Mon 19 Oct) I received 11.7 (deja vu?). Quick look through: - Promos for Pheobe/Acorn World (hum...) [At least the subscriber copy of Acorn User had an insert and that was out sometime ago] - No disc - Generally out of date Hmmm. Questions: - When are the (rather pricy) discs going to be dispatched? - When's 11.8 due out? - Are there any plans for a 'RiscUser' mailing list in case of future problems/errata/updates? - How many items in the Beebug Retail sale are actually cheaper than everywhere else? - Will David Pilling/Beebug be willing to accept OvationPro upgrade subscriptions (in the vain of Pineapple's Virus Protector) at around 10UKP per year? Richy C. -- ..sig just watched a good comedy: Titanic (loved that bit where that ugly bloke froze to death) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 01:45:36 1998 Return-path: Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.6] by pilling.demon.co.uk with smtp (ANTmail1.29b); id sm02a2974; Tue, 20 Oct 98 02:45 +0100 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908847438:20:21066:18; Tue, 20 Oct 98 01:37:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021027; 20 Oct 98 1:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA14561 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:23:07 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14556 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:22:56 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVQVw-00037x-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:23:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 02:04:05 GMT Message-Id: <81381@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: O X-IS-UID: > - When are the (rather pricy) discs going to be dispatched? Usually come with the magazine these days... > - When's 11.8 due out? See Richard Hallas's comments earlier > - How many items in the Beebug Retail sale are actually cheaper than > everywhere else? Look at it this way, they're pulling out of retail, if you don't like the prices, you're not going to be offered them again in the future. The price conscious buyer has won, they're an ex-retailer. Resellers in the Acorn world have a hopeless task. They're faced with buying stuff from distributors at prices that are often slightly higher than the retail prices offered by the big PC companies. The reason? if you're a PC box shifter you can sell 10,000 modems or scanners a month, if you're Beebug you can sell 10 or 20 a month. However, heaven help you if you buy from a PC retailer and the hardware doesn't work with Acorn kit. > - Will David Pilling/Beebug be willing to accept OvationPro upgrade > subscriptions (in the vein of Pineapple's Virus Protector) at around > 10UKP per year? You must be joking. [the above are my own opinions, I'm not reflecting the views of Beebug on this occasion] David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 13:49:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81394 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 13:49:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908868968:20:15147:37; Tue, 20 Oct 98 07:36:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114052; 20 Oct 98 7:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA14785 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:14:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA14779 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:14:42 +0100 Received: from (193.149.81.249) [193.149.81.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zVW0P-0002Lo-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:14:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 (08:01:24 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Risc User Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 20 Oct 98 (02:04:05), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >> - Will David Pilling/Beebug be willing to accept OvationPro upgrade >> subscriptions (in the vein of Pineapple's Virus Protector) at around >> 10UKP per year? >You must be joking. Well as I've asked before what would be a realistic amount. I am quite prepared to pay a substantial amount each year for continued work on a product such as OvationPro. At one time David mentioned ukp25 and at the time I thought that was probably too little so I'm not suprised he thinks ukp10 is as well. (It is not uncommon on other platforms to pay 20 percent of the purchase price per year for maintenance.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From pc.reeveshall@ic.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 13:49:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81398 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 13:49:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908874763:20:13391:13; Tue, 20 Oct 98 09:12:43 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.9]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013398; 20 Oct 98 9:12 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zVXqE-00014k-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:34 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0zVXqD-0001nN-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:33 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B263186AA@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk To: "'opro@pilling.demon.co.uk '" , "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk '" Subject: RE: RE: Over inking... Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, I'll have a closer investigation..... Peter -----Original Message----- From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sent: 10/19/98 11:07 PM Subject: Re: RE: Over inking... >Opening a draw file and recolouring every element is not my idea of >productivity. >If Ovation Pro and/or the printer driver could re-map 100% R , 100% G and >100% B to 100% K then I would be happy. Well with Turbos, the mapping from RGB to CMYK is fully under your control via the 'curve' you use. And this is global, no twiddling the colours of individual objects. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 13:49:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81399 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 13:49:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908875672:20:23410:18; Tue, 20 Oct 98 09:27:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023371; 20 Oct 98 9:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA14985 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:29 +0100 Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA14980 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:16 +0100 Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zVXqE-00014k-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:34 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0zVXqD-0001nN-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:33 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B263186AA@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'opro@pilling.demon.co.uk '" , "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk '" Subject: RE: RE: Over inking... Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks, I'll have a closer investigation..... Peter -----Original Message----- From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sent: 10/19/98 11:07 PM Subject: Re: RE: Over inking... >Opening a draw file and recolouring every element is not my idea of >productivity. >If Ovation Pro and/or the printer driver could re-map 100% R , 100% G and >100% B to 100% K then I would be happy. Well with Turbos, the mapping from RGB to CMYK is fully under your control via the 'curve' you use. And this is global, no twiddling the colours of individual objects. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 13:49:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81400 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 13:49:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908875726:20:23964:18; Tue, 20 Oct 98 09:28:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124922; 20 Oct 98 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA15004 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:15:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA14999 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:15:24 +0100 Received: from (193.149.92.9) [193.149.92.9] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zVXtE-0003mi-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:15:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:19:21 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20a Subject: Re: Risc User Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA15000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB15004 On Tue 20 Oct 98 (02:04:05), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote about Beebug: =20 > Look at it this way, they're pulling out of retail, if you don't > like the prices, you're not going to be offered them again in the > future. The price conscious buyer has won, they're an ex-retailer. Beebug has failed in the retail sector mainly due to the shrinking market= place for the goods it was offering, but also IMHO because they were rath= er inefficient. When I lived within visiting distance I used to pop into= their shop when I could, but that was always an uninspiring business, th= e staff I dealt with were vague, even evasive when answering questions. When I tried to get prices from them for a new SA RPC with a bundle of op= tions and ancillary hardware last year, they took several days and a numb= er of proddings before they eventually sent me a fax quote. They didn't = get my business on that occasion as not only were they tardy, the quote d= id not meet the specs I asked for and their prices were the highest of fi= ve dealers. So they lost an order for somewhat over =A33K.=20 On the other hand I have been pleased to buy OPro, Sleuth 2 & Sleuth 3 fr= om Beebug, and subscribe to RU. > Resellers in the Acorn world have a hopeless task. They're faced with > buying stuff from distributors at prices that are often slightly higher > than the retail prices offered by the big PC companies. The reason? if > you're a PC box shifter you can sell 10,000 modems or scanners a month, > if you're Beebug you can sell 10 or 20 a month. There is some truth in that, as there was in a retail business I owned & = ran during the seventies. You survive and prosper in niche retail market= s by providing good customer services, running your business as a VAR and= by being prepared to do bundle deals. When the 'box shifters' were offe= ring below trade prices I bought from them and used them as loss leaders,= but only as part of the bundles. =20 > However, heaven help you if you buy from a PC retailer and the hardware > doesn't work with Acorn kit. Agreed. I'm happy to get the best deal within the Acorn dealer network, = but leave the pc box shifters well alone. They have enough disgruntled c= ustomers within the pc market without us adding to the list...... =20 I wish Beebug well within their narrowed business plan and trust that the= combination of reduced costs and focused objectives will see them well i= nto the next century. Dave D --=20 __ =20 _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| =20 Real address as above Certified No42 in the Phoebe queue = =20 =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 13:50:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81402 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 13:50:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908884675:20:00583:26; Tue, 20 Oct 98 11:57:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000501; 20 Oct 98 11:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15373 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:36:40 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA15368 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:36:16 +0100 Received: from lizard (dialup004.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.36]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA24515 for < Message-ID: <362CE616.3515@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:35:50 -0700 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overprint in Artworks graphic / Ovation References: <4a9a1c9648%OvationPro@tdesign.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Richard Benjamin wrote: > > I have just converted an advert that was in Publisher+, to OP v2.50. > > The main graphic and logos etc are an Artworks file, wuth some items in > overprinted black. > A bitmap is placed behind (and shows through the 'gaps'. > OP's text is used in the foreground as overprint black in front > of part of the AW graphic (a graduated fill) > > The problem is that OP's text overprints allright, but the overprint > stuff in the AW file doesnt. Set the definition of Black in the ArtWorks file to be a Spot colour. Set its application to 'Overprint' Make sure you redefine Black before setting Overprint. Once in OP set OP's Black to be spot. Then import artwork and use Picture.Process option to get to Process dialogue box. Tick 'Use spots'. That should do what you need (all described in Acorn Publisher 5-1). Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 13:50:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81403 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 13:50:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908886071:20:16226:23; Tue, 20 Oct 98 12:21:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016258; 20 Oct 98 12:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15459 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:57:06 +0100 Received: from mars.planet.net.au (mars.planet.net.au [203.15.90.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15453 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:56:43 +0100 Received: from imagfact.starnet.com.au (du009.starnet.com.au [203.24.132.159]) by mars.planet.net.au (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP i Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:25:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Mal McClenaghan Subject: Re: Risc User To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <81381@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: the image factory X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 20 Oct, David Pilling wrote: I'll apologise to anyone who is offended by the following rant I'm about to have... > Resellers in the Acorn world have a hopeless task. > They're faced with buying stuff from distributors > at prices that are often slightly higher than > the retail prices offered by the big PC companies. > The reason? if you're a PC box shifter you can > sell 10,000 modems or scanners a month, if you're > Beebug you can sell 10 or 20 a month. The Acorn resellers job isn't only hopeless, it's thankless. A lot of resellers work seven days a week supporting the platform because they believe in RISC OS, and some customers will pass you by for a printer because they can get it "Ten dollars cheaper by going to Harvey Norman" (AKA the box shifter from Hell). The other joy is tracking down a piece of software for a customer and having to buy five copies to get it at wholesale. You just know four copies will sit on the shelf until you have to sell them at a loss to get some storage space back. Every Acorn reseller, regardless of their size, could make a lot more money by selling PCs, or Macs, or probably wrapping little labels around tins of tuna. Next time you need a piece of generic hardware, try thinking about that for a few seconds. > However, heaven help you if you buy from a PC > retailer and the hardware doesn't work with Acorn > kit. Unfortunately it happens on a daily basis. Usually their local Acorn person will sort it out for them, but really, why should we? Twice again today, a total of five this week. And it's only Tuesday... > > - Will David Pilling/Beebug be willing to accept > > OvationPro upgrade subscriptions (in the vein of > > Pineapple's Virus Protector) at around 10UKP per > > year? > > You must be joking. I suggest you look at the price of Quark Express version upgrades and think how little you have offered David for his work on the best piece of software ever to grace the Acorn platform. If you wany 10UKP a year software may I humbly suggest !Edit. > [the above are my own opinions, I'm not reflecting > the views of Beebug on this occasion] Sometimes it is good to get your opinion David ;-) Regards, Mal -- ____________________________________________________ Mal McClenaghan the image factory Tel: +61 3 9458 3599 PO Box 599, Fax: +61 3 9458 3488 Rosanna, Email: imagfact@starnet.com.au Victoria 3084, Australia ____________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 18:11:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81434 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 18:11:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908890835:10:18596:22; Tue, 20 Oct 98 13:40:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103581; 20 Oct 98 13:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA15813 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:15:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA15808 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:15:09 +0100 Received: from (193.149.87.201) [193.149.87.201] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zVbdD-0007Ru-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:15:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:47:45 +0100 Message-ID: <4897ed7358charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Risc User In-Reply-To: <8bfb829748%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <8bfb829748%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk>, Richard Hallas wrote: > I'm sorry - it's frustrating for me, too! > 11:7 is indeed out now - it appeared last week, and I've seen it, > though my own subscription copy still hasn't turned up. Thanks for the input Richard. I think I know exactly how you feel. It amuses me how the distribution of these things can vary by more than a week from one part of the country to another. I am hopeful that my copy will drop throught the letterbox this week but like yours - it hasn't arrived yet. /:-( cheers, -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 18:11:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81438 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 18:11:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908901721:10:26852:15; Tue, 20 Oct 98 16:42:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107425; 20 Oct 98 16:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA16059 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:17:22 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16054 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:17:06 +0100 Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.ucs.de [194.77.123.114]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA26653 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:17:08 +0200 Message-Id: <199810201617.SAA26653@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 20 Oct 1998 07:51:02 GMT Subject: Re: Tables MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >What is the best way to implement tables in OPro? > >Is there a style defined as in Inpression? That is not too smart a way to >do it. > You can use the "Impression OLE" format of Eureka 3. This way You will get live tables with about any feature You might want. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 21:36:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81455 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 21:36:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908907420:10:24978:15; Tue, 20 Oct 98 18:17:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024931; 20 Oct 98 18:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16370 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:06:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16365 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:06:23 +0100 Received: from (rayd) [193.149.89.1] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zVgBA-0005KN-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:06:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:39:29 +0100 Message-ID: <48981325bbrayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Risc User In-Reply-To: <81381@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <81381@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Resellers in the Acorn world have a hopeless task. They're faced with > buying stuff from distributors at prices that are often slightly higher > than the retail prices offered by the big PC companies. The reason? if > you're a PC box shifter you can sell 10,000 modems or scanners a month, > if you're Beebug you can sell 10 or 20 a month. I bought a modem from Beebug a few years ago and it wouldn't work on my Risc PC. After a lot of agro with an exchanged modem that not only didn't work, but was obviously second hand, I managed to get a refund - very ungraciously I might add. > However, heaven help you if you buy from a PC retailer and the hardware > doesn't work with Acorn kit. I then went to a PC retailler, explained my problem, and he told me that there were problems with some batches of USR modems and that if it didn't work, he would replace it with a different version. It did work, and DP got Arcfax to work with it. But, apart from Ovation Pro which I knew was not written by them, I have never bought from Beebug again. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 21:36:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81456 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 21:36:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908909562:10:13073:32; Tue, 20 Oct 98 18:52:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013054; 20 Oct 98 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16480 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:39:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16475 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:39:44 +0100 Received: from (194.69.101.4) [194.69.101.4] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zVghR-00060G-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:40:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:42:59 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Key macro I find useful Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In case others might find this useful... I've got used to Zap getting rid of a document on screen by hitting Ctrl-Shift-Z - saves reaching for the mouse and finding the close icon. I have the same facility in OP with the macro (kindly pointed out a while ago by DP - ta!): {filescrap(currentfile())} .... until, you guessed, I hit Ctrl-Shift-Z by mistake and lost the whole document (since the last save). So I have now combined it with my F3 macro to do a 'quicksave', thus: {savedocument("")}{filescrap(currentfile())} .... so I can add a few lines to the magnum opus, or make corrections to a letter, save and close all without mousing about :-) -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 21:38:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81465 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 21:38:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908910861:20:27379:17; Tue, 20 Oct 98 19:14:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027372; 20 Oct 98 19:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA16596 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:05:25 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA16589 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:05:10 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-17.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.77]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA11290 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:04:54 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:21:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Booklet printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <81356@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 19 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > As I understood your question, and apparently David as well, was that you > > wanted to halve your pages and have a repeat of the top half at the > > bottom. > > Well you can always do 'imposition' by saying one page in the DTP program > is one piece of paper, and arranging things as needed. > > Although this case is simpler than most, True, this is an easy one. > just 2 copies of each 'page' on each document page. This is not the easy > way do things. > > The effort you'd expend in just one document would be enough to write an > imposition script that would do the work for all time. Said like a true programmer! Just to make sure I wasn't making a *really* dumb mistake, I actually prep'd one of these bfore I posted yesterday. Extra to setting the master frame (which you'd want to do anyway), it took about 10 sec's more. You mean you can code faster than that? I mean, I always thought you could ;-) > > > > "Kid's stuff" says David, and "interesting exercise for the user". I thought it was irony. Now I think maybe you were serious? > The difficulty is that creating one of these scripts is work for a > programmer, and although its straightforward it needs a lot of thought. This is heartening news. I can't see a need at present, but just to know it's possible is something. thanks: tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 22:23:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81476 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 22:23:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908916409:20:15535:15; Tue, 20 Oct 98 20:46:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123240; 20 Oct 98 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16817 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:35:50 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA16812 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:35:38 +0100 Received: from (193.149.73.31) [193.149.73.31] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zViVZ-0000nV-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:35:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:10:05 +0100 Message-ID: <4898266d7bdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tables In-Reply-To: <199810201617.SAA26653@linteuto.teuto.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA16813 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB16817 In article <199810201617.SAA26653@linteuto.teuto.de>, Martin Vethake wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: > >What is the best way to implement tables in OPro? > > > >Is there a style defined as in Inpression? That is not too smart a way= to > >do it. > > > You can use the "Impression OLE" format of Eureka 3. This way You > will get live tables with about any feature You might want. > Kind regards > Martin Vethake Yes indeed Martin... you can get Eureka 3 tables OLE'd into OVPro, but they are not live... Any changes made in the table within Eureka have to be resaved into OvPro... That's not live. An Excel Spreadsheet correctly put into Word etc... automatically updates when changes=A0are made to the sheet version... That's live. Cheers Dave S --=20 _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.09k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 22:23:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81477 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 22:23:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908916410:20:15566:15; Tue, 20 Oct 98 20:46:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015543; 20 Oct 98 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16801 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:31:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA16796 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:30:56 +0100 Received: from (193.149.92.252) [193.149.92.252] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zViR3-0000hH-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:31:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Wild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:38:05 +0100 Message-ID: <4898237f50dhwild@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Risc User In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Dunn wrote: > Beebug has failed in the retail sector mainly due to the shrinking > marketplace for the goods it was offering, but also IMHO because they > were rather inefficient. When I lived within visiting distance I used > to pop into their shop when I could, but that was always an uninspiring > business, the staff I dealt with were vague, even evasive when answering > questions. Another problem was the location of the shop, and the very limited parking offered. When they were in the old premises, which were very awkward for them, you could pop in while you were doing your other shopping, on the off chance that there might be something interesting. When it meant a long walk down to Hatfield Road I only went when I had a reason to go. In that way they probably lost some sales to me. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Acorn Risc_PC | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dhwild@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 22:23:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81478 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 22:23:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908918375:20:03262:17; Tue, 20 Oct 98 21:19:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126796; 20 Oct 98 21:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA17046 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:06:37 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17041 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:06:25 +0100 Received: from [158.152.66.67] (helo=tdesign.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVizQ-0005VV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:06:48 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by tdesign.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:09:02 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:07:52 +0100 From: Richard Benjamin To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overprint in Artworks graphic / Ovation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <362CE616.3515@kbnet.co.uk> X-Organization: TDC X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <362CE616.3515@kbnet.co.uk> you wrote: > Set the definition of Black in the ArtWorks file to be a Spot colour. > Set its application to 'Overprint' Make sure you redefine Black before > setting Overprint. > > Once in OP set OP's Black to be spot. Then import artwork and use > Picture.Process option to get to Process dialogue box. Tick 'Use spots'. > That should do what you need (all described in Acorn Publisher 5-1). > > Mike Williams > Akalat Publishing > > -- Thankyou. I even read the article only a few days ago, It is amazing what dosn't sink in if there is no immediate need ! I noticed that in that issue, you maps on page 4 use double lines for the motorways. They appear to be carefully aligned pairs. I solved the 'dual carrageway' problem on my maps by drawing the required line nice and wide in black, duplicating it and changing the duplicate to white & narrower. The benefit is that at T junctions there is a nice clean join as the line ends are aligned. -- Richard Benjamin Thimble Design Contracts Ltd. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 23:26:33 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81497 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 23:26:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908922203:10:27418:15; Tue, 20 Oct 98 22:23:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100582; 20 Oct 98 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17246 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:08:52 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17240 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:08:31 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVjxU-0003uU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:08:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 22:48:06 GMT Message-Id: <81484@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Key macro I find useful Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have the same facility in OP with the macro (kindly pointed out a while ago >by DP - ta!): > {filescrap(currentfile())} The thing I would have added... yes if you use this you can scrap a modified document. So you can use the fileinfo() function to trap that case. {string s; if(!(fileinfo(currentfile(),s) & 0x1)) filescrap(currentfile()) else bbc_vdu(7); } Which should only scrap non-modified files, and go 'beep' otherwise. You could make it do the save thing on modified files, and also trap the case where a file has been modified but have never been saved. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 23:26:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81498 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 23:26:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908921868:20:04809:17; Tue, 20 Oct 98 22:17:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110636; 20 Oct 98 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17223 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:07:42 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17218 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:07:31 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVjvl-0003uU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:07:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 22:26:12 GMT Message-Id: <81480@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I bought a modem from Beebug a few years ago and it wouldn't work on my >Risc PC. After a lot of agro with an exchanged modem that not only didn't >work, but was obviously second hand, I managed to get a refund - very >ungraciously I might add. Hmm. I wouldn't try to convince you they were the best dealer, or the worst. They would often say they were a lot bigger than the others, and that made it harder to offer a high level of support, and it's not long since they won an AU prize for being the best dealer. The point was that they have recognised their limitations and pulled out. So like them or loath them, it's all over. Perhaps someone knows, I don't, if the user group aspect of the business, the dealing with random problems, has also ended. Its not so long ago that a couple of 'lads' were employed to just answer letters. Some excellent dealers remain, but if they were anything less than excellent they'd no longer be in business. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 23:26:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81499 for opro ; Tue, 20 Oct 98 23:26:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908922173:20:07474:16; Tue, 20 Oct 98 22:22:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007328; 20 Oct 98 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17237 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:08:27 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17225 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:08:05 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zVjwa-0003uU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:07:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 22:45:00 GMT Message-Id: <81482@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Booklet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Said like a true programmer! Just to make sure I wasn't making a *really* >dumb mistake, I actually prep'd one of these bfore I posted yesterday. Extra >to setting the master frame (which you'd want to do anyway), it took about 10 >sec's more. You mean you can code faster than that? I mean, I always thought >you could ;-) Well, if you want a race, I probably could code faster... But seriously, on each page you're going to have 2 copies of everything. This is not just setting up master frames. It means if you ever touch the text in the top half, you've got to change it in the bottom half. Add a frame, draw a line, go repeat the operation. Thats where I see the time going. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 02:46:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81512 for opro ; Wed, 21 Oct 98 02:46:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908932408:10:11224:15; Wed, 21 Oct 98 01:13:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011182; 21 Oct 98 1:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA17699 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:57:30 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA17694 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:57:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 13229 invoked from network); 21 Oct 1998 00:57:41 -0000 Received: from 18-086.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO nick1.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.86) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 00:57:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:54:57 +0100 (BST) From: NEdgar Subject: Re: Overprint in Artworks graphic / Ovation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 20 Oct, Richard Benjamin wrote: > In message <362CE616.3515@kbnet.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > Set the definition of Black in the ArtWorks file to be a Spot colour. > > Set its application to 'Overprint' Make sure you redefine Black before > > setting Overprint. > > > > Once in OP set OP's Black to be spot. Then import artwork and use > > Picture.Process option to get to Process dialogue box. Tick 'Use spots'. > > That should do what you need (all described in Acorn Publisher 5-1). > > > > Mike Williams > > Akalat Publishing > > > > -- > Thankyou. > > I even read the article only a few days ago, It is amazing what dosn't > sink in if there is no immediate need ! > > I noticed that in that issue, you maps on page 4 use double lines for > the motorways. They appear to be carefully aligned pairs. > > I solved the 'dual carrageway' problem on my maps by drawing the > required line nice and wide in black, duplicating it and changing the > duplicate to white & narrower. > > The benefit is that at T junctions there is a nice clean join as > the line ends are aligned. > I have a program called 'Streetmap', obtained some years ago from a RISC User disc, which accepts a Drawfile of skeleton lines indicating the roads and converts them to double lines as described above automatically. On the few occasions over the years when I have had to draw a street map I have found it very useful. -- Nick Edgar -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 13:45:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81522 for opro ; Wed, 21 Oct 98 13:45:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908973228:10:09378:45; Wed, 21 Oct 98 12:33:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009416; 21 Oct 98 12:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA18628 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:14:50 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18622 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:14:37 +0100 Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J38HFHFFUG006835@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:16:07 GMT +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:15:20 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: picture colouring-disappears To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <8acc7e9848%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello I've asked on a newsgroup about duotoning pictures. I wanted to use them in OvP and them someone tolled me to use the OvP-facility for that. He told me it was in MENU>picture>colours. I looked and din't find it, Checked my applets and installed ColPal applet. I looked again an it was there. Happy that it worked i did go to bed. But now i can't find it any more. When i select the frame with picture i can choose between: Modify picture... F6 Info... that's all, the colour (nd two other) options are not there anymore :( What did i do wrong, i've tried both selected and not selected image. For the record: i've got OvP 2.51 Ros 3.7 ColPal 1.01 greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 13:45:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81523 for opro ; Wed, 21 Oct 98 13:45:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908973285:10:09890:36; Wed, 21 Oct 98 12:34:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121649; 21 Oct 98 12:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA18643 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:18:15 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18631 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:17:50 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-24.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.84]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17948 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:17:19 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:17:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Booklet printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <81482@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 20 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > took about 10 sec's more. You mean you can code faster than that? I mean, > > I always thought you could ;-) > > Well, if you want a race, I probably could code faster... My place or yours? > > But seriously, on each page you're going to have 2 copies of everything. > This is not just setting up master frames. It means if you ever touch the > text in the top half, you've got to change it in the bottom half. Add a > frame, draw a line, go repeat the operation. Thats where I see > the time going. I'm rolling over right about... now. You win. Even without the changes, it'd only ever be worth considering if it was straight text. Select all and copy it in is ok, but you'd never want to rebuild a doc. tm -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 19:20:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81546 for opro ; Wed, 21 Oct 98 19:20:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 908984079:20:08153:15; Wed, 21 Oct 98 15:34:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008108; 21 Oct 98 15:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA18954 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:10:59 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18949 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:10:46 +0100 Received: from Dave..zetnet.co.uk (manr-014.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.144]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02784 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:11:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:38:28 +0100 Message-ID: <48988be72edavefloyd@zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: picture colouring-disappears In-Reply-To: <8acc7e9848%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <8acc7e9848%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl>, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Hello > I've asked on a newsgroup about duotoning pictures. I wanted to use them > in OvP and them someone tolled me to use the OvP-facility for that. He > told me it was in MENU>picture>colours. Picture -> Process > I looked and din't find it, Checked > my applets and installed ColPal applet. I looked again an it was there. > Happy that it worked i did go to bed. But now i can't find it any more. > When i select the frame with picture i can choose between: > Modify picture... F6 > Info... > that's all, the colour (nd two other) options are not there anymore :( > What did i do wrong, i've tried both selected and not selected image. > For the record: i've got OvP 2.51 Ros 3.7 ColPal 1.01 There is a newer version of ColPal, 1.03, but are you sure you've got the Colour supplement installed? Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 01:20:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81579 for opro ; Thu, 22 Oct 98 01:20:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909011870:20:16968:15; Wed, 21 Oct 98 23:17:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119824; 21 Oct 98 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA19524 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:06:31 +0100 Received: from blaeu.student.uva.nl (blaeu.student.uva.nl [146.50.96.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA19519 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:06:16 +0100 Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (mfs2-dnbqz-038.gbr.compuserve.net [212.211.29.38]) by blaeu.student.uva.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA5B5F for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:59:53 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:59:59 +0100 (BST) From: "M. Launhardt" Subject: Re: picture colouring-disappears To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <8acc7e9848%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 21 Oct, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Hello > > I've asked on a newsgroup about duotoning pictures. I wanted to use them > in OvP and them someone tolled me to use the OvP-facility for that. He > told me it was in MENU>picture>colours. I looked and din't find it, Checked > my applets and installed ColPal applet. I looked again an it was there. > Happy that it worked i did go to bed. But now i can't find it any more. > When i select the frame with picture i can choose between: > Modify picture... F6 > Info... > that's all, the colour (nd two other) options are not there anymore :( > What did i do wrong, i've tried both selected and not selected image. > For the record: i've got OvP 2.51 Ros 3.7 ColPal 1.01 > > greetings I don't think this has anything to do with ColPal at all. You might want to check whether you are using Ovation's Colour Supplement (!ColSup), though I think you are because otherwise you wouldn't even get as far as the picture menu. Don't you have a Process button inside your picture menu? If not something probably went wrong with your Template folder inside the Colour Supplement directory.(?) When using Ovation 2.51 together with the Colour Supplement you have to use the latest version, which is 1.04. No other version will work! Michael __________________ Michael.Launhardt@student.uva.nl / tel: +31-20-6371890 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 13:48:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81591 for opro ; Thu, 22 Oct 98 13:48:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909058406:20:07615:40; Thu, 22 Oct 98 12:13:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007454; 22 Oct 98 12:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA20104 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:56:47 +0100 Received: from gateb.bbc.co.uk (gateb.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20099 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:56:31 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateb.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id M Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:57:02 +0100 Message-Id: Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:57:03 +0100 From: Mike Hunter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Font Naming with EFPro Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:56:43 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The discussion on the list has been useful - David answered my first question about the labels and Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch provided an insight into how the fonts are named and the utility he sent helped at lot. However the solution he offered does not work without renaming the fonts. Inside the Intmetrics file is the file name as follows Antiqua.Bold Antiqua.Bold.Italic Antiqua.Caps.Medium Antiqua.Caps.Regular Antiqua.ExtraBold Antiqua.ExtraBold.Italic Antiqua.Medium Antiqua.Medium.Italic Antiqua.Regular Antiqua.Regular.Italic .... and some others Moving the files around causes an error in EFPro as it checks the names. I could rename the font but the EFPro manual warns against this. Which many fonts this could be a long exercise. Is there a solution along the lines of the messages1 option? Michael > ---------- > From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch[SMTP > Sent: 19 October 1998 15:09 > To: OVATIONP-L > Subject: Re: Font Naming with EFPro > > On Mon 19 Oct, Mike Hunter wrote: > > Greetings > > > > In upgrading to v2.51 I decided to try to sort out the anomalies with > font > > naming. > > I use EasyFont Pro rather than !Fonts. I have been following the > discussion > > on Messages1 files but these will not be relevant for EFPro(!?). > > > > A question - > > > > When I use my copy 2.50 the font listing shows the bold and italics as > > follows > > > > For example for Homerton the listing shows > > Bold (B) > > Bold.Oblique (BI) > > Medium (N) > > Medium.Oblique (NI) > > snip > > > I use Regular as the base font and get ExtraBold when I click italic and > > Medium when I press normal - not really what I want! > snip > It all depends on the filing structure of your font. With OP the font is > scanned from top to bottom through the 1st sub-directory it finds. In your > case with Antiqua italic will appear as Bold.Italic. > > What you must do is restructure your font. Have a look at other fonts > where > things happen as you would expect and note it's filing structure. > This means deleting Antiqua from EFPro (you did extract copies of all > your > fonts I hope, otherwise do that first) and after restructuring Antiqua put > it first in !Fonts and run this. Now check that the newly structured font > behaves as you expect, try out all weights to be sure. When everything is > all right put the newly structured font back into EFPro. > > To start you off (IO stand for the 2 font metric + outline files): > > Antiqua > |_________________________________________________________________ > | | | | > IO Bold Caps etc. > |___________ |___________ > | | | | > Italic IO Medium IO > |___________ | > | | IO > Bold IO > | > IO > > Mind that you do select the correct IO files evry time. > The result is that you have (Regular) at the top level, then start with > Bold, next down the chain is Italic and under that you have the > Italic-bold > version. Which is all you need for OP's buttons. > Work it out on paper first. > snip > Regards > > Michael > > -- > Michael Hunter michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk > Acorn Computer and OvationPro Fan > Audio Engineering Lecturer, Centre for Broadcast Skills Training > http://www.bbc.co.uk/woodnorton/ > > > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 13:48:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81591 for opro ; Thu, 22 Oct 98 13:48:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909058406:20:07615:40; Thu, 22 Oct 98 12:13:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007454; 22 Oct 98 12:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA20104 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:56:47 +0100 Received: from gateb.bbc.co.uk (gateb.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20099 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:56:31 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateb.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id M Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:57:02 +0100 Message-Id: Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:57:03 +0100 From: Mike Hunter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Font Naming with EFPro Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:56:43 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The discussion on the list has been useful - David answered my first question about the labels and Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch provided an insight into how the fonts are named and the utility he sent helped at lot. However the solution he offered does not work without renaming the fonts. Inside the Intmetrics file is the file name as follows Antiqua.Bold Antiqua.Bold.Italic Antiqua.Caps.Medium Antiqua.Caps.Regular Antiqua.ExtraBold Antiqua.ExtraBold.Italic Antiqua.Medium Antiqua.Medium.Italic Antiqua.Regular Antiqua.Regular.Italic .... and some others Moving the files around causes an error in EFPro as it checks the names. I could rename the font but the EFPro manual warns against this. Which many fonts this could be a long exercise. Is there a solution along the lines of the messages1 option? Michael > ---------- > From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch[SMTP > Sent: 19 October 1998 15:09 > To: OVATIONP-L > Subject: Re: Font Naming with EFPro > > On Mon 19 Oct, Mike Hunter wrote: > > Greetings > > > > In upgrading to v2.51 I decided to try to sort out the anomalies with > font > > naming. > > I use EasyFont Pro rather than !Fonts. I have been following the > discussion > > on Messages1 files but these will not be relevant for EFPro(!?). > > > > A question - > > > > When I use my copy 2.50 the font listing shows the bold and italics as > > follows > > > > For example for Homerton the listing shows > > Bold (B) > > Bold.Oblique (BI) > > Medium (N) > > Medium.Oblique (NI) > > snip > > > I use Regular as the base font and get ExtraBold when I click italic and > > Medium when I press normal - not really what I want! > snip > It all depends on the filing structure of your font. With OP the font is > scanned from top to bottom through the 1st sub-directory it finds. In your > case with Antiqua italic will appear as Bold.Italic. > > What you must do is restructure your font. Have a look at other fonts > where > things happen as you would expect and note it's filing structure. > This means deleting Antiqua from EFPro (you did extract copies of all > your > fonts I hope, otherwise do that first) and after restructuring Antiqua put > it first in !Fonts and run this. Now check that the newly structured font > behaves as you expect, try out all weights to be sure. When everything is > all right put the newly structured font back into EFPro. > > To start you off (IO stand for the 2 font metric + outline files): > > Antiqua > |_________________________________________________________________ > | | | | > IO Bold Caps etc. > |___________ |___________ > | | | | > Italic IO Medium IO > |___________ | > | | IO > Bold IO > | > IO > > Mind that you do select the correct IO files evry time. > The result is that you have (Regular) at the top level, then start with > Bold, next down the chain is Italic and under that you have the > Italic-bold > version. Which is all you need for OP's buttons. > Work it out on paper first. > snip > Regards > > Michael > > -- > Michael Hunter michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk > Acorn Computer and OvationPro Fan > Audio Engineering Lecturer, Centre for Broadcast Skills Training > http://www.bbc.co.uk/woodnorton/ > > > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From maured@eurobell.co.uk Thu Oct 22 16:54:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81602 for opro ; Thu, 22 Oct 98 16:54:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909071463:10:24156:3; Thu, 22 Oct 98 15:51:03 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net ([195.219.16.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128184; 22 Oct 98 15:50 GMT Received: (qmail 6916 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1998 15:50:01 -0000 Received: from 18-042.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO maured.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.42) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 15:50:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:44:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: Problem reinstalling OvnPro To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Status: R I am having difficulty - something of a crisis because I use OvnPro so much. Today I have had changed the 850Mb hard disc 4 for a new 6.3Gb hard disc drive still called HardDisc4.I thought OvnPro would transfer across without too much difficulty but I have not been able to do so as yet. If I click on the !OvnPro icon in the directory on the new drive, I get the message "This program was not installed on this device originally. Drag its icon to the Program installation window to update it." If I put the master Disc 1 in the floppy drive and click on !Install I get the window which has my name and address and serial no. (01298). If I now drag the OvnPro icon from its directory on to this window I get the message "Please use the copy of install supplied with that program". I reselect the choices - the 3 main program parts - but the result is the same. Nothing I have tried will re-install my copy of OvnPro. Can you advise me please. -- Maurice Edmundson=========================email:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 21:28:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81621 for opro ; Thu, 22 Oct 98 21:28:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909086253:20:08608:15; Thu, 22 Oct 98 19:57:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008048; 22 Oct 98 19:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA20594 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:35:27 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20589 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:35:10 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-15.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.75]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA24859 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:35:19 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:01:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: RE: Font Naming with EFPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 22 Oct, Mike Hunter wrote: > However the solution he offered does not work without renaming the fonts. > [snip] > Moving the files around causes an error in EFPro as it checks the names. I > could rename the font but the EFPro manual warns against this. Which many > fonts this could be a long exercise. > > Is there a solution along the lines of the messages1 option? Fabis sell a little utility called FontNamer that fixes up the Intmetrics file so it agrees with all your dir names. That should work I think. I haven't actually done it to solve the OP prob, but now that you've mentioned it... tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 21:46:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81626 for opro ; Thu, 22 Oct 98 21:46:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909088572:10:07121:15; Thu, 22 Oct 98 20:36:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007041; 22 Oct 98 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA20731 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:22:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA20726 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:22:25 +0100 Received: from (193.149.83.213) [193.149.83.213] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zWRGH-0002aN-00; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:23:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:30:10 +0100 Message-ID: <4898e886e7sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Speech applet not working Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello Is there any reason why the !Speech applet does not work? I'm using OPro 2.50, and I have checked it has not got been disabled and OPro has been re-run after installing. I've 'filer_boot'ed the !Speech system in my !boot.choices.desktop file and also included a run Speech.!Runmodule command here. I've also included the speech module in the !boot.choices.tasks directory. Perhaps a little overkill (?!) but still with no joy. Perhaps there is a simple answer? In anticipation of such an answer I request some help please! Thanks Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 23:06:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81636 for opro ; Thu, 22 Oct 98 23:06:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909089992:20:18453:21; Thu, 22 Oct 98 20:59:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122611; 22 Oct 98 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA20793 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:42:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA20788 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:42:41 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.53) [193.149.71.53] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zWRZv-00030K-00; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:43:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(A.W. Burdett) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Oct 98 13:06:55 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Tables Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I hesitate to join the discussion, but feel I must put in my five-eighths. Tablemate Designer is very good indeed and for practically every table is fine. However, there are times when I wish to drop a file into a table that produces a table bigger than a page. With Imp. Publ. I could do a table that 'overflowed' onto the next page(s) - I have yet to find a way to do this easily in OP. I feel it would certainly be useful if it were possible to have the option of "table tabs" (as in Imp. Pub.) in OP. My way 'round' the problem of a large table is to put it into Tablemate Designer and appropriately edit/save portions to fit each page - but it is messy. Arnold Burdett -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awburdett@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 14:29:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81792 for opro ; Fri, 23 Oct 98 14:29:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909147300:10:10030:23; Fri, 23 Oct 98 12:55:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125345; 23 Oct 98 12:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA22276 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:26:52 +0100 Received: from europa.salford.ac.uk (europa.salford.ac.uk [146.87.3.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA22271 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:26:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 6056 invoked by alias); 23 Oct 1998 12:27:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19981023122727.6055.qmail@europa.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 6043 invoked from network); 23 Oct 1998 12:27:25 -0000 Received: from ais-w3-041.salford.ac.uk (HELO ot193435) (146.87.243.41) by europa.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 23 Oct 1998 12:27:25 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Peter Daniel" Organization: University of Salford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:28:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Beebug applets page X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R There seems to be a slight problem when trying to download the !Statnry applet. The page links to 'statnry.zip' but the file can't be found when the link is clicked on. Perhaps David could look into it. Thanks, Peter. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 22:49:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81827 for opro ; Fri, 23 Oct 98 22:49:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909175102:20:08386:15; Fri, 23 Oct 98 20:38:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107283; 23 Oct 98 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA22752 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:25:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22747 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:25:23 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zWnmy-00063r-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:26:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 98 19:46:50 GMT Message-Id: <81821@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug applets page X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >There seems to be a slight problem when trying to download the >!Statnry applet. The page links to 'statnry.zip' but the file can't >be found when the link is clicked on. Perhaps David could look into Fixed. (the file on the server was called sttnry/zip). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 24 03:02:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81838 for opro ; Sat, 24 Oct 98 03:02:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909192185:20:27928:17; Sat, 24 Oct 98 01:23:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027842; 24 Oct 98 1:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA23077 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:09:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA23072 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:09:26 +0100 Received: from (193.149.93.101) [193.149.93.101] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zWsDs-00025y-00; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:10:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 04:46:56 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Letters to this group. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 16 Oct 98 (09:48:52), munnekot@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I keep getting letters to this group that do not show up in the mail > box except as something there. I have set my address book to identify > letters connected with mail lists in different colours. It is very > frustrating to open up the box to find apperently a load of > unidentifiable nothing. > OK, I'm picky, but that was why I went the RISC way. > Ken._ Also, I cannot spell apparently. Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 24 17:33:10 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81867 for opro ; Sat, 24 Oct 98 17:33:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909243657:10:13299:21; Sat, 24 Oct 98 15:40:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013267; 24 Oct 98 15:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA23890 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:28:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA23885 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:28:42 +0100 Received: from [194.222.88.143] (helo=watsnees.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zX5dZ-0001jB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:29:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:37:36 +0100 Message-ID: <489a1754cefrank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Speech applet not working In-Reply-To: <4898e886e7sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4898e886e7sjwhite@argonet.co.uk>, Steve White wrote: > Hello > Is there any reason why the !Speech applet does not work? > I'm using OPro 2.50, and I have checked it has not got been disabled and > OPro > has been re-run after installing. I've 'filer_boot'ed the !Speech system > in > my !boot.choices.desktop file and also included a run Speech.!Runmodule > command here. I've also included the speech module in the > !boot.choices.tasks > directory. Perhaps a little overkill (?!) but still with no joy. > Perhaps there is a simple answer? > In anticipation of such an answer I request some help please! > Thanks Check: Document window Menu->Applets->Speech->Speak story Speak from caret Stop speaking Caret Tracking ?Speak as you type ^ and that the last entry is ticked (?) by clicking on it. Type words (correctly spelt) into the document window. Speak should then say each word when you follow it with a space or a punctuation mark. With regard to placing the 'speakmod' module, I suppose it should really go in !Boot.Resources.!System.modules. However, I went for the throat and put it in !OvnPro.Modules. (Similarly, for Pluto I put it directly into !Pluto.) Have you also added the 'lips' buttons to the Button Bar? (including a third one - to speak from the caret?) If you need further help on this aspect, I am sure it is all in the 'archives' on the Beebug Ovation Pro website, but you can email me direct for the details, (but I will be away until Friday 30th.) Mine works! Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.09k on RPC, SA, OS 3.70, Window Manager 3.98, Ovation Pro 2.50. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 21:11:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81948 for opro ; Mon, 26 Oct 98 21:11:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909429707:10:08873:15; Mon, 26 Oct 98 19:21:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115185; 26 Oct 98 19:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA26472 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:06:17 GMT Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (root@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk [192.84.78.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA24421 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:36:48 +0100 Received: from mbax8ss2 (pm1-32.mcc.ac.uk [194.66.22.32]) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01405 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:40:50 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:57:56 +0100 From: Sam Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Change of address Message-ID: X-Organization: Author, Writer, Student and Techie X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello all, Having recently moved house, is there any way to change the address which appears in Ovation Pro from my old address to the new one? Will I have to return the disc to Beebug (and will they accept it if I do)? Thank you kindly for your assistance Cheers Sam -- Sam Smith "Friends of Phoebe" columnist for Archive Magazine mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 20: I'd love to go out with you, but I've got a Friends of the Lowly Rutabaga meeting. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 01:50:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA81952 for opro ; Tue, 27 Oct 98 01:50:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909438330:20:06451:31; Mon, 26 Oct 98 21:45:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117507; 26 Oct 98 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA26705 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:35:01 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26465 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:06:01 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zXrxx-0006F1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:06:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 01:48:40 GMT Message-Id: <81911@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Change of address X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Having recently moved house, is there any way to change the >address which appears in Ovation Pro from my old address to the >new one? Will I have to return the disc to Beebug (and will they >accept it if I do)? I'd suggest sending your main 2 discs back to Beebug along with return postage, and the address change information. If you want you can confirm this by email - sheridan@beebug.co.uk is the person for questions about the admin side of OPro. OTOH I can't see any great urgency. (I usually fill in these things as Mr. M. Mouse, Disneyland..., which saves all the bother etc.) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 21:56:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82009 for opro ; Tue, 27 Oct 98 21:56:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909523614:20:12291:29; Tue, 27 Oct 98 21:26:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012208; 27 Oct 98 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA27778 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:54:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA27773 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:54:33 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.181) [193.149.72.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zYFUG-00078G-00; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:13:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Anthony Humphreys To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:30:01 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <489b4a4132tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: New Macros Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R As new user of Ovpro I find the section on macros in the manual a little confusing but have created a macro button for inserting my address. However this is printed out as a single line only - is there a way of getting the address to be printed out with spaces i.e. over four lines as one would type it. TIA Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 23:30:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82019 for opro ; Tue, 27 Oct 98 23:30:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909528287:20:07267:45; Tue, 27 Oct 98 22:44:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106304; 27 Oct 98 22:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA27931 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:23:24 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA27926 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:23:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zYHWX-0002TV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:23:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 22:13:11 GMT Message-Id: <82013@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Macros X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However this is printed out as a single line only - is there a way of >getting the address to be printed out with spaces i.e. over four lines as >one would type it. Something like This is line1 {newline}This is line 2 {newline}This is line 3 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 14:12:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82033 for opro ; Wed, 28 Oct 98 14:12:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909568393:10:13138:16; Wed, 28 Oct 98 09:53:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013098; 28 Oct 98 9:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA28368 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:38:38 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28363 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:38:22 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zYS43-0002cb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:38:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:16:56 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Amending my macro further... To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry all; I knew there was something else... How can I amend the string to change the selected text to a given font? Or would this be easier as a Style (Sh/Ctrl E?) Which will give me more control if I decide at a later date to change the style, instead of haing to plough through the whole document, highlighting and amending? I would be intricued to know how to do the font as a macro anyway, just out of curiosity... -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 14:12:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82034 for opro ; Wed, 28 Oct 98 14:12:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909572147:10:28966:16; Wed, 28 Oct 98 10:55:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117521; 28 Oct 98 10:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28504 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:37:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28499 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:37:44 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zYS4N-0002cb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:39:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:14:01 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Slightly altering my macro... To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anyone help? This is my first foray into the world of scripts (and the first venture into the back of the OPro manual!) I have set up a Macro button on the toolbar, and want it to change selected text to bold, and to size 24. How do I amend it, so that if I click it twice on the same text after it has changed to 24pt bold, so that it does not undo the bold? It is as follows: {setfontsize(24*1000);seteffect(0x2)} Sorry if it seems really primitive- I am NOT a programmer! MGTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 18:06:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82067 for opro ; Wed, 28 Oct 98 18:06:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909597035:10:06720:21; Wed, 28 Oct 98 17:50:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006614; 28 Oct 98 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA28973 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:29:49 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28968 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:29:27 GMT Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.ucs.de [194.77.123.114]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA01882 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:32:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199810281832.TAA01882@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 28 Oct 1998 12:40:15 GMT Subject: Re: A PostScript Saga MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: > > >>The problem Martin describes > >Those quotes were not from Martin. He mentioned the app note >re PS duplex printing, which I hope he'll tell us about shortly. > Well, after a huge delay here comes my little tale of operating PS printers from the print-job (i.e. not manually from the panel). Rule 1: If You want to set options like output-bins, input-stacks, duplexers, colour-corrections and whatnot from the PS-files (using an Acorn) You will need to be able to read PostScript(tm). Anything less puts You out of business, period. O.K. there is some provision by Acorn for some options of some (two) PS-printers but You will need to know how to get it (I'm going to tell later). If You're lucky You have the same printer we have (Kyocera FS-1700+) and want the same things we wanted (Duplexer DU-20). Step 1: Get to know what You want: Start Your PC-Card, fire-up Windoze, install the manufacturers driver and set it to print into a file. Now select the options You want in the Windoze driver and print some pages from, say, WordPad. You now have a PS-file on Your partition which You can load into Your editor. The stuff You need is somewhere at the beginning of the file in a section beginning with %%BeginSetup. There is going to be a lot of fun stuff there (even for those who have munched the coloured books). We wanted to use the duplexer for our printer (a unit enabling You to print front and back of a page in one go) so we put our fingers on these lines: %%BeginFeature: *Duplex Short Edge statusdict begin true setduplexmode true settumble end %%EndFeature ... %%BeginFeature: *Duplexer (DU-20) Installed %%EndFeature These lines tell the printer to use the duplexer and to turn the pages along the short edge (You don't need the periods). Now we know how to set the desired options from the PS-file, but do we want to put these into our output manually? We certainly don't. In the beginning we was complete morons poking about "Printers:ps." not knowing what, how and where. Since documentation about this place is scarce we wound-up reading app. note "248 Custom Page Sizes for PostScript(TM) Printing", which makes good reading for an afternoon or two and sets You on the wrong track entirely. What happened was that we figured: "Let's make duplex a paper-size and put it in 'Printers:ps.Paper' so the lines above get put into the output". This shall be referred to as the "Quick'n'Dirty" approach, which will require You to do a lot of config. and patch Your "PSsupport" script within !OvnPro (sounds fun, eh?). While working on the above we finally learned (teach is not only not in the 'river-vocabulary' - for the Twain'ers out there) how to use the miracles of "Printers:ps.Feeds.". This shall be the "Stylish" approach which I will describe later. Step 2: Get the printer-driver to do what You want "Quick'n'Dirty": Put the lines we found into a file "Printers:ps.Paper.a4duplexse" plus an additional: %%BeginFeature: PageSize A4 a4 %%EndFeature at the beginning. Now start the printer-driver and create a new paper-size "A4DuplexSE (real size)". Don't change that name if You don't know what is involved and don't get the sizes and margins wrong (good advice, isn't it?). Save the lot and You have a working driver for duplex-printing. You can now duplex-print from !Draw, !Paint and whoever else does not muck-about with Acorn printer-driver output while printing. However there is good reason to do just this and OvnPro is one of those who do. Step 3: Get OvnPro to do what You want "QUICK AND DIRTY": OvnPro rips-out the contents of "Printers:ps.Paper.a4duplexse" and puts-in its own stuff, wasting the above effort. This happens for good reason already discussed in this mail-list. So now You have to patch "PSsupport" in OvnPro's "Library" to get duplex-printing. This is the whole function quoted as patched: void pssupport_prcache0(int user,int view) { // set paper size if(pssupport_prtype == 0 && pssupport_printing) { prprints("\nstatusdict /setpageparams known\n"); prprints("{statusdict begin " + itos(paperwidth() / 1000) +\ " " + itos(paperheight() / 1000) + " 0 1 setpageparams end}\n"); if (pssupport_paper == "a4duplexse") { prprints("{a4}\n"); prprints("ifelse\n\n"); prprints("%%BeginFeature: *Duplex Short Edge\n"); prprints("statusdict begin true setduplexmode true settumble\ end\n"); prprints("%%EndFeature\n"); prprints("%%BeginFeature: *Duplexer (DU-20) Installed\n"); prprints("%%EndFeature\n\n"); } else { prprints("{" + pssupport_paper + "}\n"); prprints("ifelse\n\n"); } } } Please note that I cut long lines as the C-coder would, remove these if You want to cut and paste! If You change Your "PSsupport" as indicated above You will break it such that You can only print duplex forever correctly. Fixing that is left as an exercise to the reader. As I said, this was the "Quick'n'Dirty" way to do it, although some might say quick it was not, but it can get extremely dirty if You do not mind Your step. Anybody tapping their fingers already? Step 2: Get the printer-driver to do what You want "Stylish": Open "Printers:ps.Feeds" and create a new dir "Kyocera" within that create a new file "1DuplexSE" with the known lines plus an additional: %%RISCOS_FeedName: Duplex, Short Edge at the beginning (this will go into the Paper-Feed menu in the printer configuration later). Now You have to tell the driver to use the new feed. Load "Printers:ps.PrData" into Your editor and locate Your PS printer, at the end of its section will be a line feed_choices: where You will append "Printers:ps.Feeds.Kyocera" (without the quotes and with a space after the colon). You can create more option-files in "Feeds" as "2blabla", "3blabla"... Just look at whats inside "Printers:ps.Feeds.Canon" etc. This is probably the way it was meant to work, plus I think You won't have to patch OvnPro for it. But I did not try it out, as soon as I had the "Quick'n'Dirty" going there was loads of other things to do. Thus I would greatly appreciate to hear if it works or not and how many pages You wasted in the process. ;> Oh and lest I forget, if You are running an Access network with a printer-server, please do not worry when the clients "forget" their printer-configuration settings because the server was single-tasking a bit too long (backing-up lots of files from an obey-file). This is where my joys with the printer-driver ended. Now that I can copy files from an obey-file with MT I am a lot happier and free to write stuff like this. Have fun with printing... Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 18:50:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82075 for opro ; Wed, 28 Oct 98 18:50:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909599327:10:04628:17; Wed, 28 Oct 98 18:28:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121979; 28 Oct 98 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA29059 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:02:36 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [195.219.16.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA29054 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:02:24 GMT Received: (qmail 11115 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1998 18:02:56 -0000 Received: from 18-015.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (195.219.18.15) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 18:02:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:00:25 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Eureka and Photodesk Not OLEing? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <489a1754cefrank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Has anyone had these particular problems... Eureka: Using Eureka's own ImpOLE format I have embadded tables in an OvationPro (2.50) document. The first time I double-ctrl-click on the frame the document goes OLE into Eureka. I then alster it and save it back to the given path/filename where it gets re-inserted into the frame. Having done this further double-ctrl-clicks on that frame are ignored - No OLE :-( Photodesk (2L): double-ctrl-click opens a picture as expected - except that it is called "untitled" rather than "OLE". I then use the special key press as described on page 144 of the Photodesk manual (ctlr-adjust-close) to send the picture back to Ovation, but that doesn't work. Anyone know what bits of the machinery are missing from all this? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll sculptor@pebbles.eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 19:18:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82079 for opro ; Wed, 28 Oct 98 19:18:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909600832:20:20863:30; Wed, 28 Oct 98 18:53:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2020288; 28 Oct 98 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA29165 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:28:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29160 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:28:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zYaKp-0007OM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:28:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 18:14:49 GMT Message-Id: <82071@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Amending my macro further... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How can I amend the string to change the selected text to a given font? Or >I would be intricued to know how to do the font as a macro anyway, just out >of curiosity... You'll find that the default set of macros with OPro includes one called 'Corpus' which demos this. {string s;int i=0;while(getfontname(i++,s)) if(s=="Corpus") {caretcontext();setfont(i-1);}} >text to bold, and to size 24. How do I amend it, so that if I click it >twice on the same text after it has changed to 24pt bold, so that it does >not undo the bold? I don't know... All I can think of is seeing if the whole marked area is in bold, and if so not setting the bold effect. >I am NOT a programmer! Now you've posted a program to this list, the rest of the world may not see it this way, you are now one of us... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 20:37:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82082 for opro ; Wed, 28 Oct 98 20:37:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909603794:10:26593:15; Wed, 28 Oct 98 19:43:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114222; 28 Oct 98 19:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA29381 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:19:08 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA29376 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:18:55 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zYb7v-0006lu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:19:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 18:52:11 GMT Message-Id: <82076@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Eureka and Photodesk Not OLEing? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Eureka: Using Eureka's own ImpOLE format I have embadded tables in an >Photodesk (2L): double-ctrl-click opens a picture as expected - except that The obvious comment is that OPro implements some rules, you double click to open an OLE session, it then expects a window to appear, saves back to the right path will be reloaded into the document, but you will only be able to open another OLE session on the object once OPro has noted that the associated window has closed - terminating the session in other words. So with Eureka the question is after a reload, suppose you save the document, quit and reload OPro, can you then do an OLE session on the object? If not, then you've changed the format, e.g. saved as Draw rather than Eureka format. With PD, the point is that some programs are sensitive to file path format, some they will treat as scrap files i.e. start a new editing session, others they will treat as a document to be edited. There is a function, I quote > void olesetup(int olebits,int spare1,int spare2,int spare3); > >Bit 0 of olebits, controls if the OLE path will be expanded. > ==0 expand > ==1 don't expand >Typically insert this function in !Custom. To allow you some control over this. Finally OLE as here is the hairy fairy variety, making the best of what already exists. So you're making assumptions about the right names appearing in window titles and so on. Somewhere there are a few apps which do CC's OLE protocol and operation with those should be a lot more solid. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 22:48:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82096 for opro ; Wed, 28 Oct 98 22:48:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909614451:10:23580:21; Wed, 28 Oct 98 22:40:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109552; 28 Oct 98 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29631 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:19:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA29626 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:19:34 GMT Received: from (193.149.76.108) [193.149.76.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zYdwo-000609-00; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:20:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Tim Rickard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 20:54:12 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: A PostScript Saga Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello Martin, I just wanted to say how very brilliant and amusing I found your latest postscript saga. I've nothing to add to it, but keep them coming. It adds to the joy of it all. Best wishes, Tim. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 02:38:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82112 for opro ; Thu, 29 Oct 98 02:38:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909626346:20:04606:16; Thu, 29 Oct 98 01:59:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004531; 29 Oct 98 1:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA29899 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:44:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA29889 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:44:39 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.23) [193.149.72.23] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zYh9I-0000vk-00; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:45:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:37:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <489c631ee6sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Speech applet not working In-Reply-To: <489a1754cefrank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <489a1754cefrank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk>, Frank Watkinson wrote: > In article <4898e886e7sjwhite@argonet.co.uk>, > Steve White wrote: > > Hello > > Is there any reason why the !Speech applet does not work? > > I'm using OPro 2.50, and I have checked it has not got been disabled and > > OPro > > has been re-run after installing. I've 'filer_boot'ed the !Speech system > > in > > my !boot.choices.desktop file and also included a run Speech.!Runmodule > > command here. I've also included the speech module in the > > !boot.choices.tasks > > directory. Perhaps a little overkill (?!) but still with no joy. > > Perhaps there is a simple answer? > > In anticipation of such an answer I request some help please! > > Thanks > Check: > Document window Menu->Applets->Speech->Speak story > Speak from caret > Stop speaking > Caret Tracking > ?Speak as you type > ^ Yes it's there and ticked! > and that the last entry is ticked (?) by clicking on it. > Type words (correctly spelt) into the document window. Speak should > then say each word when you follow it with a space or a punctuation > mark. > With regard to placing the 'speakmod' module, I suppose it should > really go in !Boot.Resources.!System.modules. However, I went for the > throat and put it in !OvnPro.Modules. (Similarly, for Pluto I put it > directly into !Pluto.) Have now tried this and it still doesn't work :( > Have you also added the 'lips' buttons to the Button Bar? (including > a third one - to speak from the caret?) If you need further help on > this aspect, I am sure it is all in the 'archives' on the Beebug > Ovation Pro website, but you can email me direct for the details, > (but I will be away until Friday 30th.) Mine works! Have two buttons - no difference. All I do know is that speech works fine on its own or using Pluto. So still puzzled. Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 02:38:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82113 for opro ; Thu, 29 Oct 98 02:38:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909626349:20:04678:15; Thu, 29 Oct 98 01:59:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125112; 29 Oct 98 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA29906 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:45:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA29894 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:44:43 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.23) [193.149.72.23] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zYh9M-0000vk-00; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:45:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:42:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <489c63893esjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Upside down graphics - again In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I know you will say it's been 'done' before and I know that - I've searched the archives and read the news etc. - but still even with the 1.02 patch (the 'latest from the web site') it's still happening. I'm on RO3.7 SA OPro 2.50 Epson Stylus Color 600 CC Turbo I've tried everything - it's hours later and I don't know the next move. (Just like my speech applet problem - things are not going well at the moment :(. Help appreciated. Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 13:42:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82123 for opro ; Thu, 29 Oct 98 13:42:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909633903:10:10105:15; Thu, 29 Oct 98 04:05:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120829; 29 Oct 98 4:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA30181 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:49:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA30176 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:48:55 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zYj5b-0007cb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:49:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 03:08:03 GMT Message-Id: <82116@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upside down graphics - again X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I know you will say it's been 'done' before and I know that - I've searched >the archives and read the news etc. - but still even with the 1.02 patch (the >'latest from the web site') it's still happening. So you've put the CCprfix file off the web site in the !OvnPro.Library directory? If this file is working correctly then there's only one loophole, thats a new printer type. One might wonder why no one else has such a new printer type. Anyway, look in the CCprfix file. Find the line; // messagebox("Printer type = " + itoxs(i)); Remove the two //'s from the start of the line. Resave, quit, reload OPro, print, and it will stick up a message box telling you the type of printer you have. Now compare with the numbers in the comments at the start of the file... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 13:42:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82129 for opro ; Thu, 29 Oct 98 13:42:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909652234:10:20009:17; Thu, 29 Oct 98 09:10:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124725; 29 Oct 98 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA30430 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:00:50 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA30425 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:00:38 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J3JEX5URB800CEU1@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:02:50 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:56:03 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Upside down graphics - again In-reply-to: <489c63893esjwhite@argonet.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <489c63893esjwhite@argonet.co.uk> Steve White wrote: > I know you will say it's been 'done' before and I know that - I've searched > the archives and read the news etc. - but still even with the 1.02 patch (the It is was me who had the problem. > 'latest from the web site') it's still happening. > > I'm on RO3.7 SA > OPro 2.50 > Epson Stylus Color 600 > CC Turbo > > I've tried everything - it's hours later and I don't know the next move. > (Just like my speech applet problem - things are not going well at the moment It is the turbodriver who is messing around. The solution is: >>>>don't put your grapics in irregular frames.<<<< And strangly enough this problem doesn't when you print the graphics apart. Another thing is maybe your free memory. I didn't have the problem since i put 32 mb extra in the computer. It is just the turbodriver, try using Fastspool+ or so good luck -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 21:53:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82183 for opro ; Thu, 29 Oct 98 21:53:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909692550:10:22673:29; Thu, 29 Oct 98 20:22:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022649; 29 Oct 98 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA31059 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:40:03 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA31054 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:39:52 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zYxvm-0004dL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:40:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 19:29:41 GMT Message-Id: <82169@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Oh no - not Caligraph again Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded from an address that was completely wrong! 8-) From: Tim King Subject: Oh no - not Calligraph again FontFix is loaded. It's an A1 page printing @ 50%. A couple of AWs frames, and a decent block of text (on the left ie bottom of the page). Not a big file (700k). Print one at a time and it's all dandy. Try 3 copies and it spews. It prints the main graphic and appears to stop just before it hits the text. Actually, I lie. It doesn't print at all, but throws up a 'meaningless' error message (aren't *all* error messages meaningless?) and dumps OP. When you reboot and turn the printer back on, what was stuck in the Calligraph print queue comes wheedling out. So, any thoughts? tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 21:53:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82184 for opro ; Thu, 29 Oct 98 21:53:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909693950:10:08119:19; Thu, 29 Oct 98 20:45:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116937; 29 Oct 98 20:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA31126 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:11:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA31121 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:11:34 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.30) [193.149.81.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zYyQe-0007C9-00; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:12:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Anthony Humphreys To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:40:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <489c52ea6atony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: New Macros In-Reply-To: <82013@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 27 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >However this is printed out as a single line only - is there a way of > >getting the address to be printed out with spaces i.e. over four lines as > >one would type it. > Something like > This is line1 {newline}This is line 2 {newline}This is line 3 > David Pilling Thanks David it works a treat - so simple when you know how. Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 21:53:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82186 for opro ; Thu, 29 Oct 98 21:53:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909695732:10:27589:24; Thu, 29 Oct 98 21:15:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109224; 29 Oct 98 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA31262 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:36:28 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA31257 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:36:16 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J3K37WY3GU0053WW@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:38:38 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:34:17 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: draw to frame To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1572481981--187005414--37539620" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R This message is in MIME format which your mailer apparently does not support. You either require a newer version of your software which supports MIME, or a separate MIME decoding utility. Alternatively, ask the sender of this message to resend it in a different format. --1572481981--187005414--37539620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello A function for ovpro that i've would like to see is the next: importing draw figures direct into ovpro for use as frames. that means also that you can use joined frames for pictures. So i can make a text in draw and convert them to shapes, join the characters and drag the shape into ovpro, where i can put in a picture. see also the attachment sorry for the attach but it is very hard to explain it, and it makes it a lot easier regards -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" --1572481981--187005414--37539620 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="screen/jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQYHBwYIChAKCgkJChQODwwQ FxQYGBcUFhYaHSUfGhsjHBYWICwgIyYnKSopGR8tMC0oMCUoKSj/2wBDAQcHBwoIChMK ChMoGhYaKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgo KCgoKCj/wAARCABUAWcDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHQABAAICAwEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAcIBQYD BAkBAv/EAEwQAAECBQICBwMHBgwFBQAAAAECAwAEBQYREiEHMQgTFCJBUWEycYEVQlKR obHRFhcjJDOUNVNUVnOCk6KywdLhGENiZPAlNnKS0//EABsBAQADAQEBAQAAAAAAAAAA AAADBAUGAgEH/8QAMxEAAQMCAwUGBgIDAQAAAAAAAQACAwQRBSExEkFRYfATcYGhscEG IjKR0eEUFSNC8VL/2gAMAwEAAhEDEQA/ALUxq0/xCtOnzr8nO12TZmWFltxtROUqGxB2 jaYpJxTl3XOIlyaUO4M+7gpB+kYhnlMYBC08LomVkhY8kWF8laccU7IKQr8pJHSfEk4+ 6PyeKtjjObkktuftbfZFLzKLKU5ac0DO2nYx+fk94O5cbUpSuYQklKvsiuKslajsBjBA 2j5K6SuK1jJJCrkkQR4Eq/CPn517F/nLI/Wr8IpOqmP5R1qHMnOo4O/ljaPymnL7iVod 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ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:17:23 GMT Received: from blaeu.student.uva.nl (blaeu.student.uva.nl [146.50.96.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA31715 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:08:24 GMT Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (lon-c45-003-vty23.as.wcom.net [195.232.3.23]) by blaeu.student.uva.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA3FC9 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:01:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:01:56 +0000 (GMT) From: "M. Launhardt" Subject: Re: draw to frame To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 29 Oct, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > hello > > A function for ovpro that i've would like to see is the next: > importing draw figures direct into ovpro for use as frames. > that means also that you can use joined frames for pictures. > So i can make a text in draw and convert them to shapes, join the characters > and drag the shape into ovpro, where i can put in a picture. > see also the attachment Do you mean something like this? (see attachment - sorry for any inconvenience, but I think it's the best way to show that it's possible) Michael ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael.Launhardt@student.uva.nl / tel: +31-20-6371890 [ 80 odd K (de)attachment ] ==================================================================== Please don't post attachments to this maillist... I guess if you want to use pictures stick them on a web page. David Pilling ==================================================================== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 03:50:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82219 for opro ; Fri, 30 Oct 98 03:50:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909718263:20:02486:28; Fri, 30 Oct 98 03:31:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112505; 30 Oct 98 3:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA31782 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:17:17 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA31766 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:16:50 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zZ54G-0002IS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:17:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 98 03:04:47 GMT Message-Id: <82210@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: draw to frame X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A function for ovpro that i've would like to see is the next: >importing draw figures direct into ovpro for use as frames It should be possible to write a program that loads a Draw file path and outputs as DDL a OPro frame, which you can drop into a document. By that route you can have frames shaped like letters and so on. It's a little hairy because OPro doesn't update the flows after a DDL is merged. But workable. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 14:03:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82221 for opro ; Fri, 30 Oct 98 14:03:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909733554:20:28119:18; Fri, 30 Oct 98 07:45:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028082; 30 Oct 98 7:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA32070 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:36:28 GMT Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA32065 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:36:16 GMT Received: from clive.holland.btinternet.com [62.172.63.18] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zZ94h-00049A-00; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:34:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:16:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Clive Holland Subject: Re: Eureka Not OLEing? To: Ovation Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Oct, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > Has anyone had these particular problems... > > Eureka: Using Eureka's own ImpOLE format I have embadded tables in an > OvationPro (2.50) document. The first time I double-ctrl-click on the frame > the document goes OLE into Eureka. I then alster it and save it back to the > given path/filename where it gets re-inserted into the frame. Having done > this further double-ctrl-clicks on that frame are ignored - No OLE :-( > Did you kill the OLE !Eureka file? If you didn't then the !Eureka file is still there to update. That is a possible reason why the double clicking does not apparently have an effect, particularly if your OV window hides the OLE window. If you kill the OLE window that then the double-ctrl-click on the embedded table, will reload the OLE file. -- Clive clive.holland@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 14:03:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82225 for opro ; Fri, 30 Oct 98 14:03:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909748951:20:14034:20; Fri, 30 Oct 98 12:02:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014025; 30 Oct 98 12:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA32412 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:42:15 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (lizard.u-net.net [195.102.240.251]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA32407 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:42:01 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.136] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zZDsP-0004es-00; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:42:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:04:36 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A PostScript Saga Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199810281832.TAA01882@linteuto.teuto.de> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is an alternative method which probably falls into the 'quick and dirty' category, but works for us. I create fragment PS files such as one called DuplexA3 which contains: %%BeginFeature: PageSize A3 a3 %%EndFeature %%RISCOS_FeedName: Landscape double-sided, lower tray statusdict begin true setduplexmode end statusdict begin true settumble end statusdict begin 1 setpapertray end I then spool this to the printer just before printing. If it is a large print job, then I spool the OvPro job to a postscript file first and drop first the fragment and then the main PS file into the spool queue. This avoids the commands in the first fragment timing out whilst waiting for the rest of the print job. I have a range of these set up and I find it, on the whole, less of a fuss than constantly changing the printer configuration settings (even if I had managed to define these!). We're using a Xerox N32 at present, but I did a similar thing for an HP Mopier and a larger Kyocera. Actually, since most of these printers will autosense what language is being used, I recall that you don't have to send the commands as PS (even if the main print job is PS). So if you know what the PCL codes for the trays/feed/duplexer are you can write your fragments int hat. David In message <199810281832.TAA01882@linteuto.teuto.de> you wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: > > > > > >>The problem Martin describes > > > >Those quotes were not from Martin. He mentioned the app note > >re PS duplex printing, which I hope he'll tell us about shortly. > > > Well, after a huge delay here comes my little tale of operating > PS printers from the print-job (i.e. not manually from the panel). > > Rule 1: If You want to set options like output-bins, input-stacks, > duplexers, colour-corrections and whatnot from the PS-files > (using an Acorn) You will need to be able to read PostScript(tm). > Anything less puts You out of business, period. > There is an alternative method which probably falls into the 'quick and dirty' category, but works for us. I create fragment PS files such as one called DuplexA3 which contains: %%BeginFeature: PageSize A3 a3 %%EndFeature %%RISCOS_FeedName: Landscape double-sided, lower tray statusdict begin true setduplexmode end statusdict begin true settumble end statusdict begin 1 setpapertray end I then spool this to the printer just before printing. If it is a large print job, then I spool the OvPro job to a postscript file first and drop first the fragment and then the main PS file into the spool queue. This avoids the commands in the first fragment timing out whilst waiting for the rest of the print job. I have a range of these set up and I find it, on the whole, less of a fuss than constantly changing the printer configuration settings (even if I had managed to define these!). We're using a Xerox N32 at present, but I did a similar thing for an HP Mopier and a large Kyocera. Actually, since most of these printers will autosense what language is being used, I recall that you don't have to send the commands as PS (even if the main print job is PS). So if you know what the PCL codes for the trays/feed/duplexer are you can write your fragments in that. I did even get a flyer job to run on an HP mopier which took sheet 1 from tray 1, sheet 2 from tray 2, and then stapled the two together. More an exercise in understanding the command set than anything else ..... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 18:45:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82252 for opro ; Fri, 30 Oct 98 18:45:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909771734:10:09478:15; Fri, 30 Oct 98 18:22:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118471; 30 Oct 98 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA32739 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:58:58 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA32734 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:58:46 GMT Received: from [158.152.218.8] (helo=circlesw.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zZIps-0001uN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:59:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:49:16 +0000 (GMT) From: John Skingley Subject: Showing spelling errors To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have several document open at once, all with the View option to show spelling erros. Frequently, one document will appear, after a redraw, with the redrawn area hi-lighting EVERY word as mis-spelled! Bright red underlining everywhere! It knows about dictionaries, because clicking the 'check spelling' tool works correctly, but still it insists that all words must be underlined. The effect often first appears after temp. clicking an another document, then comming back to the first - which then shows this effect. This is version 2.49 Anyone else found this? Has it been fixed? Regards, John Skngley -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 18:45:54 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82253 for opro ; Fri, 30 Oct 98 18:45:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909771846:10:11145:19; Fri, 30 Oct 98 18:24:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011082; 30 Oct 98 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA32723 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:50:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA32718 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:49:46 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.33) [193.149.72.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zZIh7-00002l-00; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:50:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:14:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <489d3cbed6sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Upside down graphics - again In-Reply-To: <82116@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <82116@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I know you will say it's been 'done' before and I know that - I've searched > >the archives and read the news etc. - but still even with the 1.02 patch > (the > >'latest from the web site') it's still happening. > So you've put the CCprfix file off the web site in the !OvnPro.Library > directory? Yes > If this file is working correctly then there's only one loophole, > thats a new printer type. One might wonder why no one else has > such a new printer type. True - very puzzling > Anyway, look in the CCprfix file. Find the line; > // messagebox("Printer type = " + itoxs(i)); Got it > Remove the two //'s from the start of the line. Resave, quit, reload OPro, > print, and it will stick up a message box telling you > the type of printer you have. Now compare with the > numbers in the comments at the start of the file... Done this - it returns printer type=13 !! Now this isn't one of the turbo options listed in this file - so I've changed the line underneath to add i == 0x13 if(i == 0x10 || i == 0x11 || i == 0x12 || i == 0x5 || i == 0x13) (Hope this is OK?!) Having just printed one test example, it seems to work fine! Thanks David Cheers Steve > David Pilling > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 21:16:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82267 for opro ; Fri, 30 Oct 98 21:16:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909776315:10:04164:15; Fri, 30 Oct 98 19:38:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104584; 30 Oct 98 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00290 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:22:15 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00283 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:21:54 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zZK8G-0003qW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:22:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 98 19:17:10 GMT Message-Id: <82262@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upside down graphics - again X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >the line underneath to add i == 0x13 > if(i == 0x10 || i == 0x11 || i == 0x12 || i == 0x5 || i == 0x13) >(Hope this is OK?!) Yes, good work. I guess this is an important point for others to note. And I should update the file on the web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 21:16:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82266 for opro ; Fri, 30 Oct 98 21:16:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909776045:20:10731:15; Fri, 30 Oct 98 19:34:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010667; 30 Oct 98 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00288 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:22:10 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00278 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:21:48 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zZK8B-0003qW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:22:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 98 19:12:43 GMT Message-Id: <82260@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Showing spelling errors X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Frequently, one document will appear, after a redraw, with the redrawn >area hi-lighting EVERY word as mis-spelled! Bright red underlining >everywhere! There was a bug in 2.46 which often caused this effect. That bug is now gone, so the problem is much less common. However I do think that I've seen it occasionally. The problem is that OPro is losing count of dictionaries, each time you open a document with an attached dictionary it adds one to a count, and when you close the document it removes one. If the count reaches zero the dictionary is removed from memory. If all your documents are set up with !Maindict loaded there probably won't be problems. >This is version 2.49 Why not upgrade...? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 31 01:48:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82287 for opro ; Sat, 31 Oct 98 01:48:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909791162:20:05784:20; Fri, 30 Oct 98 23:46:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101951; 30 Oct 98 23:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA00899 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:30:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA00894 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:30:39 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.202) [193.149.81.202] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zZO16-0006i1-00; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:31:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Partridge) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 30 Oct 98 (23:12:41 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ac Subject: Re: Oh no - not Caligraph again Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From: Tim King >Subject: Oh no - not Calligraph again > >........... Print one at a time and it's all dandy. Try 3 >copies and it spews. >........... When you reboot and turn the printer back on, >what was stuck in the Calligraph print queue comes >wheedling out. > >So, any thoughts? > >tim > How about printing to file and then making as many copies as you like from that? Once I've got a good print file, I have never yet had problems with the Calligraph (though I only have an A4-1200). Regards, Richard Partridge. -- rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 31 01:48:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA82288 for opro ; Sat, 31 Oct 98 01:48:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 909785572:10:20075:15; Fri, 30 Oct 98 22:12:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114361; 30 Oct 98 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA00693 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:56:07 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00688 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:55:48 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-38.access.ch [195.112.73.230]) by mail.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.08pri) id WAA22154 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:56:38 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:25:09 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: RE: Font Naming with EFPro To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 22 Oct, Tim King wrote: > On Thu 22 Oct, Mike Hunter wrote: > > However the solution he offered does not work without renaming the fonts. > > > [snip] > > Moving the files around causes an error in EFPro as it checks the names. I > > could rename the font but the EFPro manual warns against this. Which many > > fonts this could be a long exercise. > > > > Is there a solution along the lines of the messages1 option? > > Fabis sell a little utility called FontNamer that fixes up the Intmetrics > file so it agrees with all your dir names. That should work I think. I > haven't actually done it to solve the OP prob, but now that you've mentioned > it... To be frank, neither did I. My analysis of the problem was based on the info from David Pilling and using the utility I sent to Mike Hunter. .....but now that it has been mentioned ... I strongly advise procuring FontNamer as it does happen that font names are not correct. It spares you many hours of stress. Sorry for the late reaction, I was many miles from home for a few days. Regards JohnV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message