From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 22:37:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76315 for opro ; Tue, 01 Sep 98 22:37:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904529978:10:11768:17; Mon, 31 Aug 98 02:19:38 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011672; 31 Aug 98 2:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA11626 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:04:02 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA11613 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:03:25 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zDINS-0003AP-00; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:03:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 98 01:57:14 GMT Message-Id: <76295@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Screen redraws X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >redraws and wimp 3.98 I would be surprised if the wimp was responsible. I certainly saw no change - sure there are redraw problems in some situations, but *new* ones, due to 3.98? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 22:37:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76316 for opro ; Tue, 01 Sep 98 22:37:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904530779:10:16105:21; Mon, 31 Aug 98 02:32:59 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128309; 31 Aug 98 2:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA11627 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:04:05 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA11617 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:03:28 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zDINT-0003AP-00; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:03:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 98 01:58:53 GMT Message-Id: <76297@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A general spelling wish list X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >guess again Yes I'd like this, and it would be easy. A system that monitored fixes and offered you the most likely would be good. But too complex for our resources at this moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 22:40:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76349 for opro ; Tue, 01 Sep 98 22:40:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904662233:10:24199:57; Tue, 01 Sep 98 15:03:53 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107607; 1 Sep 98 15:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA14415 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:52:24 +0100 Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14410 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:52:13 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:52:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:56:36 +0100 Message-ID: <487ec8461aC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Moving to the next frame In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 01 Sep, ovation wrote: > Is there a keyboard shortcut which can be used to take the caret to > the next writeable frame? If it's in the manual, I can't find it. > I'm wanting to set up an application to automatically drop certain > items of text into an OP window, and it would be good to be able to > move the caret around without emulating clicks. Perhaps a macro could > be set up for this? in which case advice would be gratefully received. I do not know any key press to simply move to the next page/frame. To force a new page (or next *linked* frame) then you press enter on the numeric keypad, or use ASCII 12 (form feed) in a file. Not sure if that is any help. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 22:40:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76353 for opro ; Tue, 01 Sep 98 22:40:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904671409:10:21216:28; Tue, 01 Sep 98 17:36:49 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107283; 1 Sep 98 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA15034 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:08:26 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA15029 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:08:11 +0100 Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA21799 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:08:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199809011608.SAA21799@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 01 Sep 1998 07:54:46 GMT Subject: Re: A4 labels problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >I think a similar problem has been discussed before: if so I've lost the >answer... > >I make up a document with a master page containing 7 rows of 3 across 2.5" x >1.5" labels. > >OK: link each one to the next so that a file of addresses with page returns >dropped onto the first label 'ripples through' and fills the page with one >address per label. > >The problem is that when the listing reaches the last label on the page it >overflows rather than goes on to a new page. > >How does the concept of the 'master frame' being the one to throw a new page >work when there are 21 little frames on the master page? I just can't get a >link running on to the new page. You should use the "auto-link" feature of OvnPro that was new with version 2.46 I think. It is very nice and flexible but requires the additional thought. Let's say You want 4 frames on a page for a flowing story and a fifth for a picture or some blurb, like this: ----- ----- | 1 | | 2| | | | | ----- ----- --- --- --- |3| |5| |4| | | | | | | --- --- --- Now You link 1 - 2, 2 - 3, 3 - 4 and 4 - 1, which means that overflow in frame 4 will produce a new page. The link from 4 to 1 will be displayed in green to indicate its special function. Frame 5 is not linked with itself and will not generate new pages. Nice, isn't it? Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 22:40:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76355 for opro ; Tue, 01 Sep 98 22:40:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904674516:10:17448:22; Tue, 01 Sep 98 18:28:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017414; 1 Sep 98 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA15247 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:26:01 +0100 Received: from pop03.globecomm.net (pop03.globecomm.net [206.253.130.65]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15242 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:25:46 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp137.enterprise.net [194.72.195.137]) by pop03.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 17:29:34 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Big frames bug To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Could someone else try this please: Create a frame 1250mm wide, 660mm high, and try and change the background colour. Anyone else get a "Frame width too big" error? If you drop the 0 from the width, change colour, and make the frame bigger again do you get your frame of the right size in the right colour? Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 26: I'd love to go out with you, but the man on television told me to stay tuned. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 22:41:00 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76357 for opro ; Tue, 01 Sep 98 22:41:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904676678:10:05665:17; Tue, 01 Sep 98 19:04:38 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005619; 1 Sep 98 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA15335 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:53:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA15329 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:53:44 +0100 Received: from userp042.uk.uudial.com (193.149.91.41) [193.149.91.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zDud3-0005JF-00; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:54:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(ovation) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:49:39 +0100 X-Organization: Locationworks, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Moving to the next frame Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 1 Sep 98 (14:56:36 +0100), c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: >To force a new page (or next *linked* frame) then you press enter on >the numeric keypad, or use ASCII 12 (form feed) in a file. Thanks, but it don't work. It's a fax header with the details of "who" etc. in a frame. The body of the text is (rightly) in a master frame, which may therefore spill over to a new (blank) page. You can't link the header frame to a master frame, hence my difficulties. ANYTHING would be better than trying to emulate mouse clicks, which is a horrible business, but may be the ultimate solution I suppose. Thanks anyway, -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ ovation@locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 22:51:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76364 for opro ; Tue, 01 Sep 98 22:51:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904530051:20:25881:22; Mon, 31 Aug 98 02:20:51 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124269; 31 Aug 98 2:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA11665 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:22:34 +0100 Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA11660 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:22:22 +0100 Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA16344 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:22:18 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:21:59 +1200 Message-ID: <487dff59bfkh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09e for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Screen redraws Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Aug, Rupert Thompson wrote: > On Sun 30 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > > >Greetings one and all! > > > At long last I installed the new window manager last week (3.98). I > > >used to occasionally get the odd failure to redraw and black 'edges' with > > >OvationPro 2.50. Now the failure to redraw problem is there every time I > > >select a chunk of text in order to set its style. obscured (by the style > > >menu) text remains blank when the selection is made and two or three > > >lines at the end of a selected area are not redrawn (they remain 'white on > > >black'). Only scrolling the offending area off the screen forces the > > >redraws correctly when scrolled back. > > > > > > I have the same and other similar symptoms with window manager 3.98 > > > > If I embed a frame, it doesn't appear until I press F12 then return to force > > a redraw. I've come to accept it as 'one of those things', and just redraw > > the screen as above. > > > This *might* be a problem associated with my EndNotes applet, which > sometimes forgets to force a redraw of the current view when things are > copied or pasted. I'm just testing a substantially improved version > which interfaces with a new applet which manages cross references. > (The new EndNotes also allows one stream of notes per chapter rather > than one per document). Offers to test one or both before I release > them garetfully accepted ... Mmmm! It might although I doubt it since I don't normally have it loaded - although, if the problem is in your library then, of course, taht might be a different matter! Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 22:52:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76369 for opro ; Tue, 01 Sep 98 22:52:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904559267:20:17119:20; Mon, 31 Aug 98 10:27:47 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104616; 31 Aug 98 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA12301 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:01:35 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12296 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:01:20 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zDPpX-00048y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:00:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:00:54 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Screen redraws To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <487dff59bfkh@waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 31 Aug, Keith Hopper wrote: > On 31 Aug, Rupert Thompson wrote: > > > This *might* be a problem associated with my EndNotes applet, which > > sometimes forgets to force a redraw of the current view when things are > > copied or pasted. I'm just testing a substantially improved version > > which interfaces with a new applet which manages cross references. > > (The new EndNotes also allows one stream of notes per chapter rather > > than one per document). Offers to test one or both before I release > > them garetfully accepted ... > > > Mmmm! It might although I doubt it since I don't normally have it > loaded - although, if the problem is in your library then, of course, taht > might be a different matter! No, it only happens when EndNotes claims the cut, paste and copy "vectors"; the library doesn't actually "do" anything, it just provides some functions which EndNotes calls. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 22:52:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76380 for opro ; Tue, 01 Sep 98 22:52:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904604063:20:20960:19; Mon, 31 Aug 98 22:54:23 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020852; 31 Aug 98 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA13070 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:48:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA13065 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:48:15 +0100 Received: from userl396.uk.uudial.com (bw08.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.74.209] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zDboG-0005PQ-00; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:48:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:03:33 +0100 Message-ID: <487e6b8677stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Screen redraws Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro While we're on the subject of screen redraw. Every time I edit a document within OP that contains embedded images, then any modification that forces a repositioning of an image, always results in OP leaving part of the frame outline on the screen. (I have the option View-->Options-->Guidelines ticked) However, this only appears to happen when images are shifted downwards, and OP only appears to leave the top line of the old frame outline on the screen. I have also noticed that if I resize an image frame that is at the very top of a page, then parts of the old frame outline, including frame handles are left on the screen. Steve. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 22:54:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76400 for opro ; Tue, 01 Sep 98 22:54:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904659406:20:05974:21; Tue, 01 Sep 98 14:16:46 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005862; 1 Sep 98 14:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA14295 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:54:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA14290 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:53:56 +0100 Received: from userm018.uk.uudial.com (193.149.77.68) [193.149.77.68] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zDpws-0007lp-00; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:54:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(ovation) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:46:31 +0100 X-Organization: Locationworks, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Moving to the next frame Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there a keyboard shortcut which can be used to take the caret to the next writeable frame? If it's in the manual, I can't find it. I'm wanting to set up an application to automatically drop certain items of text into an OP window, and it would be good to be able to move the caret around without emulating clicks. Perhaps a macro could be set up for this? in which case advice would be gratefully received. Regards, -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ ovation@locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 2 02:01:44 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76441 for opro ; Wed, 02 Sep 98 02:01:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904691844:10:08511:21; Tue, 01 Sep 98 23:17:24 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008413; 1 Sep 98 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA15880 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:11:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA15875 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:11:37 +0100 Received: from usero612.uk.uudial.com (193.149.89.120) [193.149.89.120] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zDyec-0002L3-00; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:11:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Malcolm Davies To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:21:12 +0100 Message-ID: <487ed004efmdavies@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Moving to the next frame In-Reply-To: <487ec8461aC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 01 Sep, Chris Johnson wrote: > On 01 Sep, ovation wrote: > > Is there a keyboard shortcut which can be used to take the caret to > > the next writeable frame? If it's in the manual, I can't find it. > > I'm wanting to set up an application to automatically drop certain > > items of text into an OP window, and it would be good to be able to > > move the caret around without emulating clicks. Perhaps a macro could > > be set up for this? in which case advice would be gratefully received. > I do not know any key press to simply move to the next page/frame. > To force a new page (or next *linked* frame) then you press enter on > the numeric keypad, or use ASCII 12 (form feed) in a file. That "linked frame" is the clue I think. If ovation@locationworks links his successive frames within the OP window then a numeric pad Enter will go from frame to frame in order to allow successive import of text. Cheers - Malcolm -- Malcolm Davies ZFC S+ ** Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1283 575 345 ** Burton on Trent, Staffs - UK ** Email to : mdavies@argonet.co.uk ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 2 14:01:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76491 for opro ; Wed, 02 Sep 98 14:01:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904707925:10:14901:20; Wed, 02 Sep 98 03:45:25 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115055; 2 Sep 98 3:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA16352 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:43:01 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA16344 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:42:38 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zE2sy-0007Si-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 02:43:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 98 03:28:18 GMT Message-Id: <76482@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Moving to the next frame X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a keyboard shortcut which can be used to take the caret to the next >writeable frame? If it's in the manual, I can't find it. I don't think there is as such. There are various key presses you can use from macros. Then you have bookmarks which have extensive ways in which they can be moved- but not to the next frame. One point is that if you have a chain of text frames linked together, then you can only move through the ones with text in. You might have 6 frames, but the text story only fills the first 2 frames. If you want to get to frame 5, then as others have said you need to insert some new frame codes. I can think of one fiddle, which is that there are functions that tell you which page the caret/bookmark is on, so you might keep moving until the page number changes... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 2 14:02:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76502 for opro ; Wed, 02 Sep 98 14:02:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904707728:20:12553:20; Wed, 02 Sep 98 03:42:08 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118511; 2 Sep 98 3:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA16350 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:42:57 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA16340 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:42:37 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zE2sw-0007Si-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 02:43:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 98 03:26:45 GMT Message-Id: <76480@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Artworks overprinting problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded from the old list address... From: Alan Subject: Artworks overprinting problem Is it possible to command an imported single colour (black)artworks file to overprint in black. At present it knocks out the underlying colour frame. As The artworks file has fine lines this could present registration problems when printed 4 colour process. Regards Alan. -- Alan Esplen Graphic Design, Great Waltham, Essex, England. email: a.esplen@btinternet.com David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 2 14:56:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76545 for opro ; Wed, 02 Sep 98 14:56:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904744136:10:13113:23; Wed, 02 Sep 98 13:48:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013040; 2 Sep 98 13:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA17201 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:42:14 +0100 Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (www.grantage.co.nz [203.98.47.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17196 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:41:53 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00393 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:41:56 +1200 (NZST) >Received: by bridge.wn.planet.gen.nz (ReadNews 0.34); Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:24:37 +1200 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:24:34 +1200 From:(Julian Wright) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problem with PostScript screens Message-ID: Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Lines: 40 Received: from bridge by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:41 NZS Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R My setup:- Ovation Pro 2.49 Colour Supplement 2.03 Printers 1.54 using Generic PostScript Level 1 driver I've noticed a wierd problem with greyscale images when printing plain black & white pages to PostScript L1 via the Acorn drivers. If "PostScript Screen" is selcted in the Halftone screen dialogue (off the Separations dialogue (off the Print dialogue)) then near the start of the *first* page in the postscript output the following line is inserted: 150 45 {Dot} setscreen Deselect "PostScript screen" and this line is not included. The option is selected by default, but the line only appears in the output for the first page of any print run. My problem is that when I run the output through GhostScript the halftoning of any light grey object on the first page is noticably more coarse than on any subsequent page, even if exactly the same colour/tint is used in all cases. Worse still, when output to my PS printer, any such light grey objects appear much darker on the first page of output than do any identical objects on subsequent pages of output. If this is some weird problem with colour calibration, why is it affecting only the first page of any printout, irrespective of which page I start with? It's always the first *physical* page to leave the printer - so if I print in Galley format any logical pages on the first physical page exhibit the same problem. I'm not using colour separations at all here. Has anyone else met this problem, or has no-one else been sending greyscale objects to PS? :( Julian. -- "Yes?" "Is that Charlie?" "Yes." "Hello Charlie." "Great..." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 2 18:20:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76556 for opro ; Wed, 02 Sep 98 18:20:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904756563:10:11039:159; Wed, 02 Sep 98 17:16:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010946; 2 Sep 98 17:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA17691 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:05:41 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17679 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:04:59 +0100 Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA02665 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:05:26 +0200 Message-Id: <199809021605.SAA02665@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 02 Sep 1998 07:40:41 GMT Subject: Re: OPro Upgrades MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >while you are mentioning that ... > >my version of OvationPro is 2.46g [18.06.97], it is a *german* version. > >how is the right way to update this? >*wait* for UCS, or is it possible to just update by Beebugs site? Why not *ask* UCS or take a look at our web-pages. All You need to do is send discs 1,2 and 9 to get a german version. If You use the upgrade off beebug's site You will get a working english version. Oder auf deutsch: Wer eine deutsche 2.49g haben will, schickt uns einfach die Disketten 1,2 und 9 ein. Die Upgrades auf Beebugs Seiten koennen problemlos verwendet werden, die Software wird allerdings dann englisch. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 2 18:20:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76562 for opro ; Wed, 02 Sep 98 18:20:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904756191:20:19984:17; Wed, 02 Sep 98 17:09:51 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125348; 2 Sep 98 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA17689 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:05:37 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17680 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:05:00 +0100 Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA02670 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:05:28 +0200 Message-Id: <199809021605.SAA02670@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 02 Sep 1998 08:22:17 GMT Subject: Re: Moving to the next frame MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >Is there a keyboard shortcut which can be used to take the caret to the next >writeable frame? If it's in the manual, I can't find it. If next means the next frame in the current flowing story (even if it does not yet exist) You only need to press "Enter" on the keypad. > >I'm wanting to set up an application to automatically drop certain items of >text into an OP window, and it would be good to be able to move the caret >around without emulating clicks. Perhaps a macro could be set up for this? in >which case advice would be gratefully received. Looks through the macro docs... Guess it would be very interesting to see how that could be done... Oh, the is a nice piece of software called Mouserecorder by Martin Wuerthner which does exactly what You want. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 01:17:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76604 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 01:17:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904776714:20:13685:23; Wed, 02 Sep 98 22:51:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013701; 2 Sep 98 22:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA18552 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:30:09 +0100 Received: from mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de (mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.195.194.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18542 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:29:52 +0100 Received: from iserlohn.netsurf.de (letmathe20.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.233.64.180]) by mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA20373 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:01:01 +0200 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:29:28 +0200 (MESZ) From: march Subject: Re: OPro Upgrades To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199809021605.SAA02665@linteuto.teuto.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA18543 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB18552 > >my version of OvationPro is 2.46g [18.06.97], it is a *german* version. > > > >how is the right way to update this? > >*wait* for UCS, or is it possible to just update by Beebugs site? > Why not *ask* UCS or take a look at our web-pages. All You need which were updated on 02.09.98 ... [behind a link "aktuelles / demos 17.07.98"], sorry, couldn=B4t resist. > to do is send discs 1,2 and 9 to get a german version. If You use i=B4ll do that. > the upgrade off beebug's site You will get a working english version. that=B4s what i wanted to hear. but a german version is nicer :-) best regards, march. --=20 allez java! / march@fxweb.de / http://www.fxweb.de/ 287,5 MHz / 64+2 MB / 4 GB / 64 kbit/s / 1 savior. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 01:17:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76605 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 01:17:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904780564:10:14878:31; Wed, 02 Sep 98 23:56:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014742; 2 Sep 98 23:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA18661 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:47:22 +0100 Received: from post.guernsey.net (post.guernsey.net [195.226.128.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18655 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:47:10 +0100 Received: from ianhunter.guernsey.net ([195.226.129.149]) by post.guernsey.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA21658 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:46:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:46:03 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Hunter Subject: Re: Moving to the next frame To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <76482@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 02 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Is there a keyboard shortcut which can be used to take the caret to the next > >writeable frame? If it's in the manual, I can't find it. > > I don't think there is as such. There are various key presses > you can use from macros. Then you have bookmarks which have > extensive ways in which they can be moved- but not to the > next frame. Continuing on from this theme - I hope. How can I can put the instruction into the Find and Replace replace string. I can cope with doing in the abbrev. applet (but it is no use there !) - I just don't understand how to do it in the replace window. Any advice would be useful. By the by - did anything come of the applet that was talked about that would allow the insertion . I have a feeling that it was discussed and died a death - is that right ?? -- Ian Hunter, Rocque Balan, Vale, Guernsey, Channel Islands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 03 02:25:52 1998 Return-path: Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.6] by pilling.demon.co.uk with smtp (ANTmail1.29b); id sm03fb7d0; Thu, 03 Sep 98 03:25 +0100 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904789594:20:10345:18; Thu, 03 Sep 98 02:26:34 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010142; 3 Sep 98 2:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA18975 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:25:43 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA18970 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:25:31 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEOA0-0007Ib-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:26:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 98 02:06:10 GMT Message-Id: <76614@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript screens X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: O X-IS-UID: >black & white pages to PostScript L1 via the Acorn drivers. If >"PostScript Screen" is selcted in the Halftone screen dialogue (off the >Separations dialogue (off the Print dialogue)) then near the start of >the *first* page in the postscript output the following line is >inserted 150 45 {Dot} setscreen >My problem is that when I run the output through GhostScript th Interesting that you raise the setscreen stuff, then describe a problem, but leave us to connect the two 8-) To me it chimes with the following quote, maillist July 98 >Thanks to Paul Reuvers of XAT for pointing this out. >If you use a print format where some of the pages on a sheet are inverted >then the post script angles on the inverted pages will return to their >defaults. >The fix is to edit the !ColSupp.Library.!PSCode file... >void cscopiesevent(int user,int view) >{ > string s; > > if(csprtype==0) > { > if(csdoscreen) > { > csdoscreen=0; <------------------- > if(csreadpsscreen()) > { >Remove the arrowed line. I think this fix might fix what you're saying. I'm not too sure at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 18:15:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76663 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 18:15:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904842831:20:16005:26; Thu, 03 Sep 98 17:13:51 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015832; 3 Sep 98 17:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA20106 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:11:55 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA20101 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:11:43 +0100 Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA20794 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:12:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199809031612.SAA20794@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 03 Sep 1998 08:19:54 GMT Subject: Re: Big frames bug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: >Could someone else try this please: > >Create a frame 1250mm wide, 660mm high, and try and change the >background colour. Anyone else get a "Frame width too big" error? > >If you drop the 0 from the width, change colour, and make the >frame bigger again do you get your frame of the right size in the >right colour? Yes, happens regardless from what You try to change, clicking on "OK" will always produce the error. The unit has no influence, i.e. 49in is too wide too. I could reproduce this with vsn. 2.46g and 2.49g. Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 18:16:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76664 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 18:15:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904842941:20:16989:28; Thu, 03 Sep 98 17:15:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105091; 3 Sep 98 17:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA20061 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:04:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA20050 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:03:52 +0100 Received: from usern185.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.81.218] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zEbsD-0007Z8-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:04:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:47:24 +0100 Message-ID: <487fda16e1rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Deleting unwanted styles Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R If you copy text from another Ovation Pro document, it takes over the styles from the original and adds them to the list in the new - with an 01 at the end if it duplicates a style name. If you delete these styles without removing them from the text first, it also deletes the text. But if you remove them first from the text, then it is safe to do so. I drag some text in from another OP file and import Bodytext01 If I click in the text and look at the styles, it has Bodytext and Bodytext01 selected. Why can't I delete Bodytext01 without the text going - it has Bodytext attributed to it anyway? It's a pain. Cutting between documents makes the style list grow enormously and it's difficult to find where the unwanted styles are in use. I would much prefer to be able to delete them from the list without having to find them and remove them first. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 18:16:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76667 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 18:16:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904838830:10:06812:16; Thu, 03 Sep 98 16:07:10 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122605; 3 Sep 98 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA19865 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:51:59 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19857 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:51:35 +0100 Received: from [158.152.17.41] (helo=arcade.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEakG-00063y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:52:20 +0000 Date: 01 Sep 1998 12:59:13 +0100 Message-ID: <980903155118@arcade.demon.co.uk> From:(Matthew Hambley) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: German OPro Organization: Arcade - The Definitive Acorn BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: ArcadeLink Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Origin: echo On the 30th of August, Stefan Bellon wrote this on the subject of Re: German OPro (sort of): SB> I only ordered the German version to get a German spell checker! But I SB> *hate* the desktop pretending to be German! Perhaps you all can't SB> understand that, but some translations sound just too silly! Can you give some examples of these silly translations? I'm not asking for any particular reason, I'm just interested. (\/)atthew ....Just your standard issue big gun - Ghost in the Shell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 18:16:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76668 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 18:16:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904838848:10:06951:18; Thu, 03 Sep 98 16:07:28 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124578; 3 Sep 98 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA19864 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:51:57 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19853 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:51:33 +0100 Received: from [158.152.17.41] (helo=arcade.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEakA-00063y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:52:17 +0000 Date: 01 Sep 1998 12:57:48 +0100 Message-ID: <980903155117@arcade.demon.co.uk> From:(Matthew Hambley) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A general spelling wish list Organization: Arcade - The Definitive Acorn BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: ArcadeLink Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Origin: echo On the 31st of August, David Pilling wrote this on the subject of Re: A general spelling wish list: DP>> guess again DP> Yes I'd like this, and it would be easy. Excellent. Does this mean we might see it in the future? DP> A system that monitored fixes and offered you the most likely would be DP> good. But too complex for our resources at this moment. Received and understood. It was a wish list after all. :-) (\/)atthew ....Musical tag line {djf1-b2n2m2q2q2q4.4q2w2,2,2,4q4,2.2.1.1.2.4,4. 2q2c1c1c2c5} -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 18:16:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76670 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 18:16:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904842427:10:11442:17; Thu, 03 Sep 98 17:07:07 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011439; 3 Sep 98 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA20063 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:04:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA20056 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:03:56 +0100 Received: from usern185.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.81.218] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zEbsG-0007Z8-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:04:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:53:24 +0100 Message-ID: <487fdaa34arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Inset in frames with round corners Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R If I have text in frames with rounded corners - say 10mm - then the inset appears to unduly affect the text level with the curve. ie set the inset to 5mm, it affects the left hand edge of text on the top line more than text on other lines down in the frame. I would have expected a 5mm inset to not affect the top line as that has already been inset vertically, but it appears to apply the curve to the text - inset by 5mm. IYSWIM. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 19:13:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76682 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 19:13:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904845383:10:08152:20; Thu, 03 Sep 98 17:56:23 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007899; 3 Sep 98 17:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA20297 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:47:53 +0100 Received: from atlantica.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA20290 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:47:38 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (gatelu1-107.access.ch [195.112.70.136]) by atlantica.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.06pri) id SAA03448 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:48:20 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:17:15 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Printing problem with JPEG; create a FAQ To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <76201@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 29 Aug, David Pilling wrote: Snip > > Ah, where were you when everyone was shouting about this being a most > dreadful bug in OPro? 8-) David, Not on the internet. It took me over 6 months to get connected. The Swiss all have blinkers so they do not see the outside world with all it's goodies. Acorn, RiscOs, et al, are so unknown here that when comparing it to stamps a RiscPC is worth millions! All right, I now downloaded all mailing list archives from the beginning and have finished reading 1996. No reference to that dreadful bug in that year! Hope to manage reading the 1997 monthly archives the coming 2 weeks. Hope to find the quotes on that dreadful bug! ** But this all does show the need for a FAQ listing. ** > Maybe you have very new or old versions of the drivers. I just wonder > if your copy of OPro might be set up to convert JPEG's to sprites automatically > when you load them. It may be of interest to some people that things can > be set up that way. I think the !Custom file inside OPro explains this. I have printer drivers v 1.54. Yes, you are correct that my set up indeed did convert the JPEG file to a sprite. I changed this but now JPEG files are not accepted. I do need to do some more testing before really stating that it does not work. You mention a !Custom file inside OPro. I cannot find it. Might it be a good idea to give an overview of all the files one should at present have with OP2.50 so everyone can check their files. For the applets a separate listing would be called for. Here allow me one suggestion: not in all cases is it easy to discover which version of an applet one has. Allow me to suggest that every applet has a 1st line in it's Help file stating the version number and date. Thank you for a wonderful program! J-M -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 20:24:06 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76710 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 20:24:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904850429:20:24205:16; Thu, 03 Sep 98 19:20:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116454; 3 Sep 98 19:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20703 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:14:12 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20693 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:13:51 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEdu2-0000Pb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:14:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 98 18:57:14 GMT Message-Id: <76677@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Big frames bug X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Yes, happens regardless from what You try to change, clicking on >"OK" will always produce the error. The unit has no influence, i.e. >49in is too wide too. I could reproduce this with vsn. 2.46g and >2.49g. In fact hardwired into the program is a limit of 35 inches for the maximum size of a text frame. I don't think this can be called a bug. Although the fact that you can create a frame that is bigger than the limit is. However for all those designing billboards 35in does seem a bit small. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 22:19:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76713 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 22:19:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904851088:10:26021:16; Thu, 03 Sep 98 19:31:28 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025980; 3 Sep 98 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20705 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:14:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20698 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:13:54 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEdu3-0000Pb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:14:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 98 19:02:24 GMT Message-Id: <76679@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting unwanted styles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If you copy text from another Ovation Pro document, it takes over the >styles from the original and adds them to the list in the new - with an 01 >at the end if it duplicates a style name. Only if you have it configured to rename styles. >If you delete these styles without removing them from the text first, it >also deletes the text. But if you remove them first from the text, then it >is safe to do so. I don't believe that. It is certainly not intentional, would be difficult to program. The problems that I see are that if you copy to a document and Bodytext has different attributes to those in the source, then a new Bodytext00 is created. Now if you repeat the operation I don't think it is smart enough to look for Bodytext00, but instead creates 01. As to vanishing text my fear would be that instead of overlaying Bodytext00 over Bodytext it does not and just has the former style which you can delete. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 22:19:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76714 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 22:19:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904852031:10:03113:27; Thu, 03 Sep 98 19:47:11 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111842; 3 Sep 98 19:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20714 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:15:16 +0100 Received: from smtp-relay.power.net.uk (smtp-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20707 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:14:34 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust73.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.73]) by smtp-relay.power.net.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA15264 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:15:12 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:10:00 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting unwanted styles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <487fda16e1rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <487fda16e1rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > If you copy text from another Ovation Pro document, it takes over the > styles from the original and adds them to the list in the new - with an 01 > at the end if it duplicates a style name. > > If you delete these styles without removing them from the text first, it > also deletes the text. But if you remove them first from the text, then it > is safe to do so. > > I drag some text in from another OP file and import Bodytext01 > > If I click in the text and look at the styles, it has Bodytext and > Bodytext01 selected. > > Why can't I delete Bodytext01 without the text going - it has Bodytext > attributed to it anyway? > > It's a pain. Cutting between documents makes the style list grow > enormously and it's difficult to find where the unwanted styles are in > use. I would much prefer to be able to delete them from the list without > having to find them and remove them first. > > Ray D Yes, this can be a pain. I now always have general preferences set to NOT rename styles (which gets rid of the bodytext01 problem). And if I am preparing a file which will go to a bureau, I NEVER cut and paste from another document - I always transfer the text without styles as ascii (save story). This is to ensure no rogue font information or other style specs get transferred to the new document. I used to find some strange behaviour when I deleted unwanted styles, if there happened to be some text left with that style attached. Quite likely this behaviour has been tidied up - I haven't dared delete styles from any important document in a long while. David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 22:19:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76715 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 22:19:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904852246:10:04790:24; Thu, 03 Sep 98 19:50:46 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115350; 3 Sep 98 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20857 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:41:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20851 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:40:56 +0100 Received: from [194.222.150.247] (helo=xsell.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEeKF-0002JP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:41:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:41:41 +0100 (BST) From: Jeff Wallis Subject: Re: Printing problem with pictures To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <76201@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Following the exchanges we had on this subject last week I have now acquired the latest version of the Laser Direct and CC's Epson Turbo drivers together with !Printers 1.52. I made the changes to printchoices in !AutoRun and ensured I had the latest version of CCPrFix in the Ovation Library file. I now find that everything prints OK with the LBP4 laser direct except jpegs which cause the computer to lock up - but I can cope with that. On the Epson Stylus Colour with CC Turbo Drivers everything prints OK except jpegs which cause a lock up and also sprites in irregular and rotated frames print upside down. I can print everything OK on the Epson using Acorn's driver - takes forever but at least it works. Thanks Mr. Pilling for your help and suggestions -- Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 22:23:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76720 for opro ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 22:23:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904851778:20:04924:41; Thu, 03 Sep 98 19:42:58 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004834; 3 Sep 98 19:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20770 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:27:19 +0100 Received: from mars.cableol.net (mars.cableol.net [194.168.4.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA20765 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:27:04 +0100 Received: from desdemona-113.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA26993; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:27:50 +0100 Message-Id: <9809031827.AA26993@mars.cableol.net> From: Pete Bready >By the by - did anything come of the applet that was talked about >that would allow the insertion . I have a feeling >that it was discussed and died a death - is that right ?? > > >-- >Ian Hunter, >Rocque Balan, >Vale, >Guernsey, Channel Islands MERGE_02={merge 901 "time" "{gettimestring(\"%24:%MI:%SE\",macv)}"} MERGE_03={merge 902 "filename" "{fileinfo(currentfile(),macv)}"} MERGE_04={merge 903 "numpages" "{int i,n,f,c;f=currentfile();c=documentchapters(f);for(i=0;i; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:19:30 +0100 Received: from jrichard.iprolink.ch (portla30.iprolink.ch [194.158.0.30]) by mail.iprolink.ch (ipl/ipl) with SMTP id WAA72140 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:20:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jean Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:14:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <487ffd86f7jrichard@iprolink.ch> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing problem with JPEG; create a FAQ In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Sep, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: snip > I have printer drivers v 1.54. Yes, you are correct that my set up > indeed did convert the JPEG file to a sprite. I changed this but now > JPEG files are not accepted. I do need to do some more testing before > really stating that it does not work. snip Isn't the problem with v 1.54 printer driver. With my QMS PS410 laser printer nothing would print including JPEGS until thru' trial and error I discovered that the best combination was v 1.54 printer driver with printer definition drivers (namely the PoScript 1 ) that come with the printing package of v 1.53 printer driver. Or am I off the point ? Jean Richard (from french speaking Switzerland) -- Jean Richard, 28 ch de la Vuachere, CH-1009 Pully, Suisse mailto:jrichard@iprolink.ch Acorn RiscPC StrongArm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 01:08:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76734 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 01:08:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904858166:10:22513:16; Thu, 03 Sep 98 21:29:26 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022500; 3 Sep 98 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21358 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:23:08 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21352 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:22:53 +0100 Received: by trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:23:45 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: <487ff3da98bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: German OPro In-Reply-To: <980903155118@arcade.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 01 Sep, Matthew Hambley wrote: > SB> I only ordered the German version to get a German spell checker! > SB> But I *hate* the desktop pretending to be German! Perhaps you all > SB> can't understand that, but some translations sound just too silly! > Can you give some examples of these silly translations? I'm not > asking for any particular reason, I'm just interested. I don't know of any examples in OvationPro (I hope you didn't get this wrong! I was not refering to OvationPro, but to general German translations!). I was refering to the translations for compression algorithms as well as standard OS error messages: Crunch -> Zerknacken Squash -> Quetschen Compress -> Komprimieren the last one being well translated! You can't literally translate the other two words. You should leave them English for better understanding. Every German would laugh if you told him "Ich muss diese Datei noch quetschen bevor ich sie Dir sende" -> "I'll have to squash this file prior to sending it to you". ;-) Or I simply dislike some German words: Discard -> Verwerfen it's the work used in Windows as well, but I dislike it, because "verwerfen" is used that rarely that it really sounds strange to my ears. Or what about this: Postmortem requested (or similar) -> Obduktion verlangt! I was ROTFLOL when I heard the German translation! I could go on with this. But to make it clear: I'm *not* accusing the translators of doing a bad job! Really not! It's just that *I* personally don't like a German territory because of some reasons. They're doing a very well job translating Templates and Message files from English into German. It's not easy. There are many words in English you can't express in easy German. And that's the cause why *I* like a few English words more than a lot of German words that try to explain what is meant. Nothing to do with translators, but with the characteristics of the languages. Another point is that almost *every* German translation is longer than the original English one. In English you can express everything a lot shorter. This results in bigger menus covering more of the screen and thus obscuring more information behind the menu. I hope I did make my opinion clear enough so that no misunderstanding is left! ;-) Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM Please all, and you will please none. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 01:09:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76735 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 01:08:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904861281:20:25036:16; Thu, 03 Sep 98 22:21:21 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024805; 3 Sep 98 22:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA21587 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:13:27 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21582 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:13:15 +0100 Received: from [194.222.101.118] (helo=mackinlay.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEghf-0007H9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:14:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:07:12 +0100 (BST) From: Colin Mackinlay Subject: Re: Thesaurus as macro (old request) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <75753@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: cmk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 25 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Sorry this is an old request- and I know it is in the archives, but I cannot > >bear the thought of going through them all to find the answer!!! > > Well you would of course use a file search utility, which would take > all of a minute to find the information for you. > > It's in the January 1998 archive. > Where are the archives please?! -- Colin Mackinlay -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 01:09:05 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76737 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 01:09:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904861289:20:25095:16; Thu, 03 Sep 98 22:21:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025063; 3 Sep 98 22:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA21630 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:19:18 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21624 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:19:06 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEgnG-0006kg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:19:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 98 20:26:30 GMT Message-Id: <76711@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem with JPEG; create a FAQ X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >No reference to that dreadful bug in that >year! Hope to manage reading the 1997 monthly archives the coming 2 weeks. You'll find them over several months before the solution in August '97. >** But this all does show the need for a FAQ listing. ** Yes... >I have printer drivers v 1.54. Yes, you are correct that my set up indeed >did convert the JPEG file to a sprite. >I changed this ^^^^^^^^^^^ How? >You mention a !Custom file inside OPro. I cannot find it. !OvnPro.Autorun.!Custom If you don't have this file then things may not work. This is the key part of it; // if SpriteExtend 0.99 doesn't exist, stop JPEG's from being loaded s="RMEnsure SpriteExtend 0.99 Error 0"; if(osclis(s)) impexbits(0xC85,1,0); Changing to; // s="RMEnsure SpriteExtend 0.99 Error 0"; // if(osclis(s)) impexbits(0xC85,1,0); Will force JPEG's to always be converted (if the necessary transloader is available). >Might it be a good idea to give an overview of all the files one should at >present have with OP2.50 so everyone can check their files. Again yes, but a job for Beebugs software manager 8-) >not in all cases is it easy to discover which version of an >applet one has. The !Info file inside should be definitive. Unless I forget to update it, this is the thing, once you stick the version number in more than one place, it gets easy to forget to change it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 14:07:32 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76776 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 14:07:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904876465:10:05714:35; Fri, 04 Sep 98 02:34:25 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112549; 4 Sep 98 2:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA22420 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:30:40 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22406 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:29:57 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEki6-0003e0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:30:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 98 02:12:06 GMT Message-Id: <76771@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: KeyFix X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There's a now a new version of KeyFix on my web site. KeyFix is a program for those with problems using the keyboard, it provides locks for the shift and control keys. The latest version includes a mouse emulator. Anyway, the mouse emulator clashes with OvationPro (you'd think the authors would talk to one another). By adding the following bit of sneaky code to the KeyFix !Run file, you can get around this; Set Alias$UKEYBOARD_ON %UKEYBOARD_ON %%*0|mSetEval Test$Eval 1|m RMEnsure KeyFix 0 SetEval Test$Eval 0|mIf Test$Eval THEN RMReinit KeyFix|mUnset Test$Eval (all on one line please). This illustrates the technique to use if you find the OPro keyboard module upsetting something. Because OPro talks to the module via *commands they can be intercepted. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 14:07:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76777 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 14:07:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904876841:10:07744:19; Fri, 04 Sep 98 02:40:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115094; 4 Sep 98 2:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA22417 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:30:26 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22396 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:29:47 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEkhw-0003e0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:30:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 98 01:45:26 GMT Message-Id: <76761@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem with pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I now find that everything prints OK with the LBP4 laser direct except >jpegs which cause the computer to lock up - but I can cope with that. Well as I said for Laser direct, the JPEG has to be near the bottom of the page. >On the Epson Stylus Colour with CC Turbo Drivers everything prints OK >except jpegs which cause a lock up and also sprites in irregular and >rotated frames print upside down. This means you've not done the fixes correctly. With the CCprfix, the catch is 'the latest version', some later CC drivers use a different printer driver number. The latest version starts // Printer types // 0x00 PostScript // 0x05 Laser Direct // 0x07 Acorn Printer Driver // 0x10 Turbo Driver // 0x11 Turbo Driver As to JPEG's you do need a late enough OPro, but given that the fix I described does work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 14:07:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76781 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 14:07:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904894239:10:00198:21; Fri, 04 Sep 98 07:30:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127792; 4 Sep 98 7:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA22867 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:30:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA22862 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:30:11 +0100 Received: from userl090.uk.uudial.com (bw08.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.73.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zEpOh-0004Ae-00; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:31:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:19:06 +0100 Message-ID: <487ff874f7stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Moving to the next frame In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Sep, Ian Hunter wrote: > On Wed 02 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > >Is there a keyboard shortcut which can be used to take > the caret to the next > > >writeable frame? If it's in the manual, I can't find it. > > > > I don't think there is as such. There are various key presses > > you can use from macros. Then you have bookmarks which have > > extensive ways in which they can be moved- but not to the > > next frame. > Continuing on from this theme - I hope. How can I can put the > instruction into the Find and Replace replace > string. I can cope with doing in the abbrev. applet (but it is > no use there !) - I just don't understand how to do it in the > replace window. Any advice would be useful. You can't with the OP's standard search and replace facility, but you can do it with the small applet I have just written; !SRWE. Using !SRWE, to insert a newpage, simply place the string {C_P} within the replace string. That is assuming you're using the standard key definitions. .... > What I wrote was SRWE (search and replace with effect). Basically it is a > simple search a replace utility that enables you to specify the effect or > style you wish to use for the replace string. It also enables you to > search for words in one particular style, and you can use simple key macros > in the replace string, for example: to replace all occurrences of ml^-1 > with cm^-3, you would simply search for ml-1 and then use the replace > string cm{CS_=}-3 > The applet was written in a bit of a hurry, but it does what it was designed > to do and I haven't had any problems with it... yet. > I have only tested the applet on OP 2.50 but I think it should also work on > OP 2.48. > You can find the applet SRWE at the web address: > http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown/SRWE.zip I think it is also available from the alternative OP website at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ One thing I ommited from the help file with this applet, is that it defines its own button macro. To place it on the button bar, goto Misc-->Macros and scroll down the list of button macros until you find srwe (probably the last entry in the list) and then select it. Steve. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ SA RISC PC, 18Mb. / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 14:08:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76784 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 14:07:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904901401:10:03804:34; Fri, 04 Sep 98 09:30:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003829; 4 Sep 98 9:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA23236 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:29:31 +0100 Received: from mars.cableol.net (mars.cableol.net [194.168.4.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA23230 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:29:15 +0100 Received: from desdemona-108.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA31665; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:30:08 +0100 Message-Id: <35F0162A.46F1@cableol.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:32:42 -0700 From: Pete Bready Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: page x of y - again References: <9809031827.AA26993@mars.cableol.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry, my last posting seems to have lost the blurb at the start (maybe the line/para was overlong as I used !Zap to reply using Acorn's useless mail client): In your earlier message you wrote: > >By the by - did anything come of the applet that was talked about >that would allow the insertion . I have a feeling >that it was discussed and died a death - is that right ?? > > >-- >Ian Hunter, >Rocque Balan, >Vale, >Guernsey, Channel Islands Put the following lines into a file, set its type to OvPDDL and then drag it into any document in which you wish to use either the actual time, filename or 'number of pages'. Use the mail merge facilities to insert the appropriate tag, and the print via mail merge. Perhaps we should compile a list of (hopefully) useful merge tags like these and perhaps post them to the Ovation Pro resources page? MERGE_02={merge 901 "time" "{gettimestring(\"%24:%MI:%SE\",macv)}"} MERGE_03={merge 902 "filename" "{fileinfo(currentfile(),macv)}"} MERGE_04={merge 903 "numpages" "{int i,n,f,c;f=currentfile(); c=documentchapters(f);for(i=0;i; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:28:31 +0100 Received: from riscpc700.house.net [195.99.62.54] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zEu1S-0006VT-00; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:27:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:06:33 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Subject: Re: Artworks overprinting problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <76480@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-URL: none X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 02 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > Forwarded from the old list address... > From: Alan > Subject: Artworks overprinting problem > > Is it possible to command an imported single colour (black)artworks file to > overprint in black. At present it knocks out the underlying colour frame. As > The artworks file has fine lines this could present registration problems > when printed 4 colour process. > > Regards Alan. > > > -- Alan Esplen Graphic Design, Great Waltham, Essex, England. > > email: a.esplen@btinternet.com David , Sorry the above was sent to old address. But where was the answer to my question? Regards Alan. -- Alan Esplen Graphic Design, Great Waltham, Essex, England. email: a.esplen@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 14:08:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76790 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 14:08:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904876472:20:11400:19; Fri, 04 Sep 98 02:34:32 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011323; 4 Sep 98 2:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA22418 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:30:30 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22400 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:29:49 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEkhz-0003e0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:30:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 98 01:52:00 GMT Message-Id: <76763@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thesaurus as macro (old request) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Where are the archives please?! Month by month from the start at; www.beebug.com In addition, post Barnet maillist, constantly updated at; ftp://freenet.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/mailing-lists/ovationpro David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 14:08:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76793 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 14:08:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904893220:20:27473:16; Fri, 04 Sep 98 07:13:40 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109751; 4 Sep 98 7:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA22837 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:15:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA22832 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:15:27 +0100 Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEpAS-0006XA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:16:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:17:55 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Deleting unwanted styles In-Reply-To: <487fda16e1rayd@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <487fda16e1rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson writes > >If you copy text from another Ovation Pro document, it takes over the >styles from the original and adds them to the list in the new - with an 01 >at the end if it duplicates a style name. > yes, even if the styles are identical, jolly annoying it is, too. This was the subject of a thread a couple of months ago; ISTR DP saying he'd do something about it - sometime. >If you delete these styles without removing them from the text first, it >also deletes the text. But if you remove them first from the text, then it >is safe to do so. > I'm continually cutting and pasting between documents, and I've never seen it do that (OP 2.50). I just delete the duplicate style, and it reverts to bodytext. It would be nice if it reverted to the base style, i.e. from MyStyle01 to MyStyle when MyStyle01 is deleted. > >Why can't I delete Bodytext01 without the text going - it has Bodytext >attributed to it anyway? > I think there must be something strange in your document or setup. Dunno what tho'. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 18:05:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76818 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 18:05:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904927578:10:16757:23; Fri, 04 Sep 98 16:46:18 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112251; 4 Sep 98 16:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA24612 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:42:21 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24606 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:42:05 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEy0r-00047u-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:43:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 98 16:32:59 GMT Message-Id: <76814@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks overprinting problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Is it possible to command an imported single colour (black)artworks file to >> overprint in black. At present it knocks out the underlying colour frame. As >> The artworks file has fine lines this could present registration problems >> when printed 4 colour process. > >But where was the answer to my question? Ah well. I was hoping someone else might know the answer, because I'm not so sure if I do. Originally process graphics didn't knock out, now they all do. Artwork files contain overprint information for each colour. However this is only used on spot plates. You might think about using duotones to get out of it, but I think they knockout default. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 18:06:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76820 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 18:06:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904922414:20:17723:19; Fri, 04 Sep 98 15:20:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105138; 4 Sep 98 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA24227 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:11:56 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24222 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:11:41 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEwbM-0001F5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:12:37 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:22:43 GMT Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:22:35 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem with pictures Message-ID: <8248f37f48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Following the exchanges we had on this subject last week I have now > acquired the latest version of the Laser Direct and CC's Epson Turbo > drivers together with !Printers 1.52. > > I made the changes to printchoices in !AutoRun and ensured I had the latest > version of CCPrFix in the Ovation Library file. > > > I now find that everything prints OK with the LBP4 laser direct except > jpegs which cause the computer to lock up - but I can cope with that. > > On the Epson Stylus Colour with CC Turbo Drivers everything prints OK > except jpegs which cause a lock up and also sprites in irregular and > rotated frames print upside down. I can print everything OK on the Epson > using Acorn's driver - takes forever but at least it works. Isn't it wonderful to have state-of-the-art printing. :( -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 21 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 18:06:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76822 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 18:06:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904922769:20:21469:18; Fri, 04 Sep 98 15:26:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112002; 4 Sep 98 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA24246 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:17:27 +0100 Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24240 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:17:15 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:16:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:20:41 +0100 Message-ID: <488055fc7dC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: FAQ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am in the process of trying to put together a hints/faq section for the alternative web site pages. However, it is still in its early stages, with many more monthly archives to wade through. However, I will try to get some pages up as they develop, although, being a labour of love, or something like that, changes may be rather sporadic. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 19:19:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76836 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 19:19:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904928862:20:19792:27; Fri, 04 Sep 98 17:07:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019456; 4 Sep 98 17:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA24757 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:05:05 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24752 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:04:51 +0100 Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA12519 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:05:48 +0200 Message-Id: <199809041605.SAA12519@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 04 Sep 1998 08:11:55 GMT Subject: Re: German whatnot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >On 01 Sep, Matthew Hambley wrote: >> SB> I only ordered the German version to get a German spell checker! >> SB> But I *hate* the desktop pretending to be German! Perhaps you all >> SB> can't understand that, but some translations sound just too silly! Isn't it that some of those creations just sound over-reasonable to us, whose mother-language it is NOT. Think about Rotkaeppchen, she is not dead, she sits on a corner in Berlin with a wry smile about those german children refusing to eat anything that doesn't have Tzaerealien in it, yet nobody here has the faintest idea about what that really is. > >> Can you give some examples of these silly translations? I'm not >> asking for any particular reason, I'm just interested. Really silly translations are like !Help -> !Info which is not even german AND breaks a lot of programs not using OS-variables. > >I don't know of any examples in OvationPro (I hope you didn't get this >wrong! I was not refering to OvationPro, but to general German >translations!). I was refering to the translations for compression >algorithms as well as standard OS error messages: > >Crunch -> Zerknacken >Squash -> Quetschen >Compress -> Komprimieren > >the last one being well translated! You can't literally translate the >other two words. You should leave them English for better >understanding. Every German would laugh if you told him "Ich muss diese >Datei noch quetschen bevor ich sie Dir sende" -> "I'll have to squash >this file prior to sending it to you". ;-) > >Or I simply dislike some German words: > >Discard -> Verwerfen > >it's the work used in Windows as well, but I dislike it, because >"verwerfen" is used that rarely that it really sounds strange to my >ears. After nearly ten years with english operating systems I felt kind of seasick too when I first saw a german Photoshop under Windoze. Opening any menu covered most of an SVGA screen and long familiar functions suddenly had names that only Bauer Merkel could have invented... Now I am doing translations myself and, what can I say, yet another nifty phrase that could fill the best part of a Stammtisch and all I got is "no more than 12 chars" for menu entries. > >Or what about this: > >Postmortem requested (or similar) -> Obduktion verlangt! Hah, should have been "Grabrede verlangt" which is just a tiny bit gross in german, english and latin too. Phlogistische Crapule is as hip as ever. Could go on for ages but, well, language is a virus... Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 23:05:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76849 for opro ; Fri, 04 Sep 98 23:05:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904942354:20:03684:20; Fri, 04 Sep 98 20:52:34 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003596; 4 Sep 98 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA25481 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:48:59 +0100 Received: from eurobell.co.uk (svensta.eurobell.net [195.219.16.10]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA25476 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:48:43 +0100 Received: from maured.eurobell.co.uk (c118.eurobell.co.uk [195.219.16.218]) by eurobell.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA07518 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:49:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:42:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: Embedding lines To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Embedding lines within text. There are occasions when I wish to embed a line about 0.5mm wide within a page of text. Not just once but perhaps 6 or 7 times at successive places in a document running to several pages. Assuming that the text fills the main frame of the document, if one draws a line from the left hand to the right hand side of this frame i.e. the full width of the main frame, it cannot be embedded. Any attempt to do so and the line and all the text below it, disappear. The line must always be at least one character width shorter than the main text frame, and all is then well. I presume the effect is connected with the word-wrap facility of the program, which breaks down when the line is just a tiny bit longer than a full line of text. The line has nowhere to be wrapped to. Of course the same problem occurs with embedding a frame. The frame must always be a little narrower than the main text frame, if it is to be embedded successfully. However this is not something one would normally try to do. But with lines the problem is more likely to occur. I haven't seen it mentioned in correspondence (or in the manual). -- Maurice Edmundson=========================email:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 5 14:45:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76859 for opro ; Sat, 05 Sep 98 14:45:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904959762:20:24956:19; Sat, 05 Sep 98 01:42:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125648; 5 Sep 98 1:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA25759 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:44:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA25754 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:44:37 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zF6Tz-0004Yk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:45:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 98 23:14:06 GMT Message-Id: <76851@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Embedding lines X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Of course the same problem occurs with embedding a frame. The frame must >always be a little narrower than the main text frame, This is not a bug or oddity, it is a logical consequence... Most frames have a default 1mm indent, so the biggest object that can be embedded is a couple of mm less wide than the width of the frame. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 5 14:45:31 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76863 for opro ; Sat, 05 Sep 98 14:45:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904989336:10:08768:16; Sat, 05 Sep 98 09:55:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116777; 5 Sep 98 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA26181 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:53:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA26176 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:53:24 +0100 Received: from usern640.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.85.165] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zFE74-0005iu-00; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:54:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:39:02 +0100 Message-ID: <4880839c6arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Embedding lines In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Sep, Maurice Edmundson wrote: > There are occasions when I wish to embed a line about 0.5mm wide within > a page of text. Not just once but perhaps 6 or 7 times at successive > places in a document running to several pages. Assuming that the text > fills the main frame of the document, if one draws a line from the left > hand to the right hand side of this frame i.e. the full width of the > main frame, it cannot be embedded. Any attempt to do so and the line and > all the text below it, disappear. The line must always be at least one > character width shorter than the main text frame, and all is then well. If you make the inset in the frame zero, then you can embed a line the whole width of the frame. Basically you can't embed a line longer than the width of the text area. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 5 14:45:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76866 for opro ; Sat, 05 Sep 98 14:45:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904988402:20:17657:17; Sat, 05 Sep 98 09:40:02 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118579; 5 Sep 98 9:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA26147 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:36:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26142 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:36:35 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zFDqn-0007hR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:37:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:13:28 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Reading Archive Files... a possible apology To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all I have recently downloaded a zipped archive file off the OPro website. In order to read it, I emailed the text file to myself... but looking through the Status window of the Ant INS I have a sinking feeling that I have actually emailed all the individual emails in it to the Ovationp-L@... site, so I could have flooded the system with old emails (for which I humbly apologise on a grand scale). How can I read the archive file using Ant? Or do I have to read it as a simple text file via !Edit? MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 5 16:11:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76882 for opro ; Sat, 05 Sep 98 16:11:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905003941:10:05548:23; Sat, 05 Sep 98 13:59:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005408; 5 Sep 98 13:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA26680 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:56:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA26675 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:56:06 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.82.170] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zFHty-0001E9-00; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:57:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro Support Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 10:11:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4880bd78c9rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Reading Archive Files... a possible apology In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Sep, P Hutton wrote: > I have recently downloaded a zipped archive file off the OPro website. > In order to read it, I emailed the text file to myself... but looking > through the Status window of the Ant INS I have a sinking feeling that I > have actually emailed all the individual emails in it to the > Ovationp-L@... site, so I could have flooded the system with old emails > (for which I humbly apologise on a grand scale). They don't appear to have arrived two days later, so I think you can stop panicking :-) Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 5 17:19:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76886 for opro ; Sat, 05 Sep 98 17:19:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905012340:20:24114:19; Sat, 05 Sep 98 16:19:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023938; 5 Sep 98 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA26857 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:11:25 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26850 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:10:57 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zFK0T-00069g-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 15:12:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Sep 98 14:51:47 GMT Message-Id: <76871@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Reading Archive Files... a possible apology X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have recently downloaded a zipped archive file off the OPro website. In >How can I read the archive file using Ant? Or do I have to read it as a >simple text file via !Edit? I think you'd rename the text file 'INBOX' and copy it into your mail folder, i.e. one users mailfolder. This is one of the things, you can use standard mail reading software on these files. Although I'd guess Edit and a standard text searching program would be fairly quick - because they will let you search the whole file in one go, rather than read each message. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:50:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76907 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:50:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905020664:10:17048:21; Sat, 05 Sep 98 18:37:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017018; 5 Sep 98 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27128 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:36:40 +0100 Received: from poseidon.tcp.net.uk (poseidon.tcp.net.uk [195.80.0.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27123 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:36:27 +0100 Received: from pachyderm.localnet (bt2-37.du.tcp.co.uk [195.80.1.37]) by poseidon.tcp.net.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA17421 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:37:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from 10.0.0.10 by pachyderm.localnet with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite 2.00b24/Acorn RISC OS); Thu, 05 Sep 1996 18:34:48 X-Sender: ovationpro@elesoc.tcp.co.uk Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:36:36 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Mailing List Subject: Re: Reading Archive Files... a possible apology To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <76871@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cygnet Computer Solutions X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > How can I read the archive file using Ant? Or do I have to read it > as a simple text file via !Edit? If you do want to read it as separate messages, then just filetype as "INBOX" and double click on it, as IIRC !Marcel will then open it and allow you to read it as if you in a mailbox. I don't think you have to copy it into a mail folder. Tobs -- "Computers provide an individual with the capability making mistakes with large impact" - Bob Frankston in comp.risks http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tob195/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:51:03 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76914 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:51:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905018604:20:29170:18; Sat, 05 Sep 98 18:03:24 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029169; 5 Sep 98 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27033 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 17:56:36 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27028 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 17:56:23 +0100 Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zFLeY-0001AI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:57:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:16:02 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Printing problem with JPEG; create a FAQ To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > You mention a !Custom file inside OPro. I cannot find it. Might it be a > good idea to give an overview of all the files one should at present have > with OP2.50 so everyone can check their files. It should be within the Autorun folder inside OVPro. Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _________________________________________ | '__| / _ \ /__ | / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | (_) | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:51:10 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76915 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:51:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905022269:20:20296:17; Sat, 05 Sep 98 19:04:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020207; 5 Sep 98 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27182 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:55:20 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA27177 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:55:08 +0100 Received: from userk841.uk.uudial.com (193.149.72.163) [193.149.72.163] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zFMZA-0005EA-00; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:56:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 5 Sep 98 04:57:47 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Embedding lines Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 4 Sep 98 (20:42:38 +0000), maured@eurobell.co.uk wrote: > Embedding lines within text. > > There are occasions when I wish to embed a line about 0.5mm wide within > a page of text. Not just once but perhaps 6 or 7 times at successive > places in a document running to several pages. Assuming that the text > fills the main frame of the document, if one draws a line from the left > hand to the right hand side of this frame i.e. the full width of the > main frame, it cannot be embedded. Any attempt to do so and the line > and all the text below it, disappear. The line must always be at least > one character width shorter than the main text frame, and all is then > well. I presume the effect is connected with the word-wrap facility of > the program, which breaks down when the line is just a tiny bit longer > than a full line of text. The line has nowhere to be wrapped to. > > Of course the same problem occurs with embedding a frame. The frame > must always be a little narrower than the main text frame, if it is to > be embedded successfully. However this is not something one would > normally try to do. But with lines the problem is more likely to occur. > I haven't seen it mentioned in correspondence (or in the manual). = I always just accepted this as a fact of life with OvnPro. After all, it doesn't make any difference to the printout as it happens at the end of a line. Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:51:20 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76921 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:51:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905115533:10:08078:17; Sun, 06 Sep 98 20:58:53 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008038; 6 Sep 98 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA29186 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:58:57 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29181 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:58:45 +0100 Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user196.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.128]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA09604; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:59:33 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: sales@circlesw.demon.co.uk, ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 14:11:52 +0100 Message-ID: <4881575a9cmarteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 06 Sep, Noel Griffiths wrote: > I recently changed to OvationPro (2.46) and all went well > until I tried to use Impact Pro 'command' window to load a command into > Ovation. I finished up with the following in the Ovation window :- > "{merge " :Impact GAC9899 Fetchsurname" }". GAC9899 being the database > I was trying to merge from. Pressing the "test" button in the merge > window had no effect. Aah, so I'm not the only one. Eagerly awaiting a knowledgeable response. Thank you Noel for removing me from self-deprecation. > Would one of you more knowledgable people please tell me where I am > going wrong or what have I forgotten to do ?! I've e.mailed Beebug but > so far no reply. > Many thanks and all the best from Noel G Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:51:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76928 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:51:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905066394:20:22597:19; Sun, 06 Sep 98 07:19:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107287; 6 Sep 98 7:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA27995 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:17:07 +0100 Received: from smtp01.mail.gol.com (smtp01.mail.gol.com [203.216.3.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA27990 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:16:52 +0100 Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-3-226.tokyo.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.226]) by smtp01.mail.gol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id PAA03817 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:17:58 +0900 (JST) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:15:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Embedding lines (& frames) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <76851@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id HAB27995 On Fri 04 Sep, David Pilling wrote: >=20 >=20 > >Of course the same problem occurs with embedding a frame. The frame must > >always be a little narrower than the main text frame,=20 >=20 > This is not a bug or oddity, it is a logical consequence... >=20 > Most frames have a default 1mm indent, so the biggest object that can be > embedded is a couple of mm less wide than the width of the frame.=20 I find this THE pain with OPro, especially with added frames. I concede that there may be other ways to do the following, but what I do is the most natural or instinctive way, for me at least (& hands up if you do it too!). I frequently want to drop a piccy or sprite into a frame, but not the original master frame on the page as the proportions are not correct, or, more usually, I need to alter the position of the object within the frame. When I add a frame to the page, drop in the grafic and expand it sideways to align with the right side of the master frame and the whole frame disappears, St. Pilling gets the full bell, book & candle treatment. This is grossly unfair, I know - the rest (no all) of OPro is nowt short of amazing. But, could we have the possibility (added at the end of the to do list, of course) of added frames being alignable to the master frame? Please? :-=F2 Ian P --=20 Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:51:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76932 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:51:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905074519:20:29943:16; Sun, 06 Sep 98 09:35:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122194; 6 Sep 98 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA28171 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:35:43 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA28166 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:35:28 +0100 Received: from userm654.uk.uudial.com (193.149.79.196) [193.149.79.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zFaJT-0005Oa-00; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:36:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Noel Griffiths) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: sales@circlesw.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 6 Sep 98 09:37:54 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Good morning from Noel Griffiths noel.gac@argonet.co.uk. I am very new to this "lists" system. Have been using very satisfactorily Impact Pro (Circle Software) in my RISC PC(Strongarm) and merging with Impression Publisher. I recently changed to OvationPro (2.46) and all went well until I tried to use Impact Pro 'command' window to load a command into Ovation. I finished up with the following in the Ovation window :- "{merge " :Impact GAC9899 Fetchsurname" }". GAC9899 being the database I was trying to merge from. Pressing the "test" button in the merge window had no effect. After a chat with John Skingley of Circle Software, he suggested that I load "transddf" into the same directory as OvationPro. This I did after unbarring a line in the transddf run file. Still no good. After a call to David Pilling I downloaded and installed the current version of OvationPro - 2.49.- from Beebug website. On trying the same again to merge with Ovation, I finished up with just the same in Ovation window. Would one of you more knowledgable people please tell me where I am going wrong or what have I forgotten to do ?! I've e.mailed Beebug but so far no reply. Many thanks and all the best from Noel G -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ noel.gac@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:52:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76944 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:52:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905098004:20:10038:20; Sun, 06 Sep 98 16:06:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009940; 6 Sep 98 16:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA28733 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:06:12 +0100 Received: from netsrvr.ami.com.au (netsrvr.ami.com.au [203.55.31.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA28727 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:05:58 +0100 Received: from richard.ami.com.au (ppp14.ami.com.au [203.55.31.110]) by netsrvr.ami.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA17851 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:00:39 +0800 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:03:07 +0800 (GMT) From: Richard Clark Subject: Screen redraws To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <76203@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: HILLSTART (08)9293 1463 Perth Australia. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi all I have Installed OP 2.50 and now redraws are all to pot, you can select the blank part of the page (which had some text in it) and save it to zap ok, but loading it into a new page is just the same, mostly blank, so have reinstalld 2.46 and is working ok but back to the default setup the only other thing we have also done, is install NewerLook. Is this the problem? N e w e r L o o k Release 2.06 (26 Jan 1997) NewerLook was conceived, designed, coded, produced and directed by Andrew Clover of DoggySoft, with additional code by Jon Ribbens (whose HourMake program produces the replacement hourglasses). Additional graphical ideas are from many other contributors, notably Acorn Computers Ltd., on whose original NewLook the backdrops and tools are based. Thanks also to anyone who has provided feedback throughout the years. -- Richard, Jayne, Peter, Helen, Nicholas, and Laura. When in charge, ponder. When in trouble, delegate. When in doubt, mumble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:52:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76955 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:52:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905114201:20:17512:16; Sun, 06 Sep 98 20:36:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017507; 6 Sep 98 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA29107 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:38:31 +0100 Received: from mailme.wirehub.nl (ns2.wirehub.net [194.165.94.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29102 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:38:19 +0100 Received: from hamuy.wirehub.nl (p653.wirehub.net [195.86.48.141]) by mailme.wirehub.nl (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA29940 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:39:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:37:12 +0100 (BST) From: "J.J. Muyderman" Subject: Re: Reading Archive Files... a possible apology To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen - Nijmegen - (31)(024) 377 83 98 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 05 Sep, Ovation Pro Mailing List wrote: > > How can I read the archive file using Ant? Or do I have to read it > > as a simple text file via !Edit? > > If you do want to read it as separate messages, then just filetype as > "INBOX" and double click on it, as IIRC !Marcel will then open it and > allow you to read it as if you in a mailbox. I don't think you have to > copy it into a mail folder. > > Tobs There is a difference between copy to a mail folder or not. When downloaded the archives the filetype is text. The filetype have to be changed in "marcel" and given the name you want. If you store your archivefiles in $.ANT.Userdir.Mail you can direct read your files when you have made Marcel active. If your archive files not are stored in $.ANT.Userdir.Mail, you can double click on them and they appear as a textfile when Marcel is already active. If you double click on them when Marcel isn't active, they appear as separate messages and make Marcel active on the same time. I never have understood why it works on this way, but it does. -- regards, Hans Muyderman (hamuy@wirehub.nl) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:52:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76957 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:52:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905114384:20:18504:19; Sun, 06 Sep 98 20:39:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018439; 6 Sep 98 20:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA29084 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:36:18 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29079 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:36:06 +0100 Received: from [158.152.143.174] (helo=davbros.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zFkct-00032z-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:37:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:36:37 +0100 (BST) From: David Broster Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro To: OvationPro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Rev David Broster, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 06 Sep, Noel Griffiths wrote: > After a chat with John Skingley of Circle Software, he suggested that I load > "transddf" into the same directory as OvationPro. This I did after unbarring > Would one of you more knowledgable people please tell me where I am going wrong > or what have I forgotten to do ?! I've e.mailed Beebug but so far no reply. Two small points - has the filer seen !TransDDF and have you an uncommented line in its !Run file "Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir" ? The combination of Impact3 / OvPro 2.50 does work for me. -- from David Broster E-mail to mrb@davbros.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:53:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76968 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:53:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905174214:20:04082:18; Mon, 07 Sep 98 13:16:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116638; 7 Sep 98 13:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA30516 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:14:08 +0100 Received: from ibmmail.COM (ibmmail.com [204.146.168.193]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA30511 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:13:53 +0100 Message-Id: <199809071213.NAA30511@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Received: by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 2351 ; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 08:13:15 EDT Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 08:13:15 EDT From: "St Anne's at T-MAIL" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Landscape Printing and Masterpage Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know of any way of making the settings for landscape in 'Master Page, Page, Page guidelines' and then Print, Set print, Sideways' more visible for the inexperienced. My classes of thirteen and fourteen year-olds can never remember this sequence of menus and commands and where to find them. I have tried to create a button bar macro to set the master page sideways but I can't get it to do any more than open the 'Page guidelines' dialogue up in Master page. Being able to display the 'Sideways' option select box on the first print dialogue which appears would be a big help. Otherwise we find that it's a great package to use for general school publishing and all levels of high school literacy. Many Thanks Peter Tempest St Anne's College Hilton Kwazulu-Natal South Africa e-mail -- stannes@iafrica.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 21:54:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76978 for opro ; Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:54:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905194928:20:28832:23; Mon, 07 Sep 98 19:02:08 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028479; 7 Sep 98 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA31214 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:01:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA31209 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:01:10 +0100 Received: from userl811.uk.uudial.com (193.149.76.116) [193.149.76.116] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zG5bK-0003rm-00; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:01:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: OvationPro Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:43:09 +0100 Message-ID: <4881e90b10steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello All Having just upgraded my version of DataPower, and having bought OP, has anyone managed to MailMerge the two. If so, can they give a me an idea on how to do it. Thanks in anticipation. Cheers Steve -- Some like it HOT I like my COOL _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From noel.gac@argonet.co.uk Tue Sep 8 14:03:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77058 for opro ; Tue, 08 Sep 98 14:03:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905238572:10:03398:7; Tue, 08 Sep 98 07:09:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003440; 8 Sep 98 7:09 GMT Received: from userm262.uk.uudial.com (193.149.78.58) [193.149.78.58] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zGHtt-0005O5-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:09:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Noel Griffiths) Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 8 Sep 98 08:10:27 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Status: R Good morning David, have just read your comments and have implemented them as directed. 1. I Uncommented the line Set FFGServer$TransDDFa - T &FFF &B25 - R TransDDF$Dir in both the !Boot and !Run files of TransDDF. I placed the file in the Applets Directory alongside "Impulse" and the cancelled "Ovation1". I thought the filer must see TransDDF here ! 2. I double clicked on TransDDF and then ran !OvnPro. 3. I then loaded a database in Impact Pro and clicked the Ovation icon on the tool bar. The OvationPro merge window appeared and I clicked the edit window thus displaying the 'command' window. I selected 'fetch' 'title' clicked OK, the command appeared in the command window, which I then dragged into the OvationPro window. Just as before, the entry " {merge " :Impact GAC9899 Fetchtitle } " appeared in the first line of Ovation. Pressing the 'test' button in the merge window had no effect. So what am I still doing wrong ? Cheers Noel G. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ noel.gac@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 8 14:03:44 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77061 for opro ; Tue, 08 Sep 98 14:03:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905242024:10:28908:19; Tue, 08 Sep 98 08:07:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028588; 8 Sep 98 8:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA32318 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:09:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA32313 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:09:02 +0100 Received: from userm262.uk.uudial.com (193.149.78.58) [193.149.78.58] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zGHtt-0005O5-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:09:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Noel Griffiths) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 8 Sep 98 08:10:27 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Good morning David, have just read your comments and have implemented them as directed. 1. I Uncommented the line Set FFGServer$TransDDFa - T &FFF &B25 - R TransDDF$Dir in both the !Boot and !Run files of TransDDF. I placed the file in the Applets Directory alongside "Impulse" and the cancelled "Ovation1". I thought the filer must see TransDDF here ! 2. I double clicked on TransDDF and then ran !OvnPro. 3. I then loaded a database in Impact Pro and clicked the Ovation icon on the tool bar. The OvationPro merge window appeared and I clicked the edit window thus displaying the 'command' window. I selected 'fetch' 'title' clicked OK, the command appeared in the command window, which I then dragged into the OvationPro window. Just as before, the entry " {merge " :Impact GAC9899 Fetchtitle } " appeared in the first line of Ovation. Pressing the 'test' button in the merge window had no effect. So what am I still doing wrong ? Cheers Noel G. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ noel.gac@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 8 14:17:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77075 for opro ; Tue, 08 Sep 98 14:17:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905221534:20:19280:43; Tue, 08 Sep 98 02:25:34 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019276; 8 Sep 98 2:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA31902 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:27:00 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA31897 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:26:49 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGCYg-0003Ab-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:27:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 98 01:42:06 GMT Message-Id: <77031@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Impact Pro 'command' window to load a command into Ovation. I finished up >with the following in the Ovation window :- "{merge " :Impact GAC9899 >Fetchsurname" }". GAC9899 being the database I was trying to merge from. >Pressing the "test" button in the merge window had no effect. What you have to do is this. (1) !TransDDF has to be located where it will be 'seen' before !OvnPro is run. (2) You have to edit the !Boot and !Run files in !TransDDF and uncomment this line | Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir Uncommenting means removing the bar. (3) After uncommenting, double click on !TransDDF (4) Run !OvnPro Now what always foxes people is that they do the uncommenting and then either OPro was already running or the !Run/!Boot files of !TransDDF are not executed before running OPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 8 14:17:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77076 for opro ; Tue, 08 Sep 98 14:17:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905222654:20:25195:18; Tue, 08 Sep 98 02:44:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025204; 8 Sep 98 2:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA31923 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:28:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA31909 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:27:40 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGCZU-0003Ab-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:27:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 98 02:16:43 GMT Message-Id: <77041@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Screen redraws X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have Installed OP 2.50 and now redraws are all to pot, you can select the >blank part of the page (which had some text in it) and save it to zap ok, >but loading it into a new page is just the same, mostly blank, so have >reinstalld 2.46 and is working ok but back to the default setup the only >other thing we have also done, is install NewerLook. Is this the problem? I'm not aware of any redraw problem which is new to 2.50. Of course the classic redraw problem occurs when people do an upgrade but don't upgrade the colour supplement applet. Your symptoms sound a bit like something being wrong with fonts though. The familiar thing about being able to mark off text but not be able to see it. I don't know about NewerLook. Maybe, maybe not. But of course it'd be better if you'd just upgraded OPro and seen if it worked rather than having NewerLook mixed in the middle. However I can't think of a reason why NewerLook would upset 2.50 but not 2.46. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 8 14:57:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77120 for opro ; Tue, 08 Sep 98 14:57:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905262544:10:03507:45; Tue, 08 Sep 98 13:49:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003517; 8 Sep 98 13:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA00295 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:42:50 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA00290 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:42:31 +0100 Received: from lizard (dialup058.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.220]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA32078 for Message-ID: <35F596A3.7FBA@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:42:11 -0700 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks overprinting problem References: <76814@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I recently discussed this very problem with Roger Mayne of Darprint. We worked out that if you set the black in the ArtWorks file to be a spot colour and its application to the artwork in question to Overprint, then import into a frame in OvnPro, you can use the Process window from within the Picture menu to switch on 'Use spots' and the black in the imported ArtWorks file will NOT knock out any underlying colours. The spot black and any other black still seems to fall entirely on the black separation. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 8 15:26:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77121 for opro ; Tue, 08 Sep 98 15:26:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905264156:10:19038:19; Tue, 08 Sep 98 14:15:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121173; 8 Sep 98 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA00383 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:17:57 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00378 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:17:46 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGNem-0005Kp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:18:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 98 14:11:21 GMT Message-Id: <77072@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. I Uncommented the line Set FFGServer$TransDDFa - T &FFF &B25 - R >TransDDF$Dir in both the !Boot and !Run files of TransDDF. I placed the file in >the Applets Directory alongside "Impulse" and the cancelled "Ovation1". I >thought the filer must see TransDDF here ! This is wrong. It *guarantees* that TransDDF will be 'seen' (initialised) after !OvnPro - just the opposite of what we're trying to achieve. I've said in the past that the applets directory is no place for transloaders and this is one good reason. >the command appeared in the command window, which I then dragged into the >OvationPro window. Just as before, the entry " {merge " :Impact GAC9899 >Fetchtitle } " appeared in the first line of Ovation. Pressing the 'test' >button in the merge window had no effect. OK, try this. Instead of dragging from Impact direct to OPro, drag to somewhere on disc, then settype the file to 707 and then drag it into OPro. An import of the correct filetype should invokve the transloader with no problem. All the messing about with uncommenting lines is to force text files to be fed through the DDF transloader. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 8 18:26:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77154 for opro ; Tue, 08 Sep 98 18:26:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905275587:20:01651:16; Tue, 08 Sep 98 17:26:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108460; 8 Sep 98 17:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00785 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:15:38 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00780 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:15:15 +0100 Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA02787 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:15:25 +0200 Message-Id: <199809081615.SAA02787@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 08 Sep 1998 08:03:23 GMT Subject: Re: Landscape Printing and Masterpage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: > > Does anyone know of any way of making the settings for landscape in > 'Master Page, Page, Page guidelines' and then Print, Set print, > Sideways' more visible for the inexperienced. My classes of thirteen > and fourteen year-olds can never remember this sequence of menus and > commands and where to find them. Just set the desired options like sideways layout, the printing options and whatever else is generally a good idea. Now select File -> Save as default there will be a request whether You really want this and then You are done. By doing this You have created a file "Default" in "!OvnPro.!OvnResDir" which You might like to copy to other copies of Ovation Pro, so everybody has the same defaults. Have fun... Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 8 20:26:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77193 for opro ; Tue, 08 Sep 98 20:26:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905282925:20:29919:16; Tue, 08 Sep 98 19:28:45 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029872; 8 Sep 98 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA01090 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:30:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA01084 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:29:54 +0100 Received: from usern472.uk.uudial.com (193.149.84.251) [193.149.84.251] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zGSWt-0007gM-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:30:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Noel Griffiths) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 8 Sep 98 19:30:50 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for your last one David - Tue 8 Sep 14:11:21. With reference to the best place to put the transddf file, I have tried the same directory as OvationPro is in, I also tried putting it straight on the hard disc - the filer must see it here ! OK I promise not to put it in the Applets again. It is now in both places quoted. I followed your 'OK, try this'. I opened up a 'Merge GAC9899 to OvationPro, Printer BJC4100' in Impact Pro. clicked on the edit menue for the Command line. As before went via 'fetch' 'field' to 'title'. Clicked 'OK'. In the command window there appeared ':Impact.GAC9899 Fetchfile', which I dragged to an 'edit' window, '{merge ":Impact.GAC9899 Fetch title"} appeared. I wasn't too sure of your instruction 'settype the file tp 707' but I did this via 'edit' 'misc' 'settype' which I now see is showing 'DDF', so perhaps I am on the right lines. On dragging the file from the Edit window across to the Ovation window I finished up with '{merge":Impact.GAC9899Fetch title }' and of course the 'test'button did nothing on clicking. I do wish I could get Ovation Pro to work with Impact Pro as Impression does. Cheers for now and thanks for all your time and trouble. Noel G -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ noel.gac@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 8 22:12:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77219 for opro ; Tue, 08 Sep 98 22:12:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905288291:20:14803:32; Tue, 08 Sep 98 20:58:11 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014679; 8 Sep 98 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01274 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:50:47 +0100 Received: from atlantica.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01269 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:50:33 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (gatelu1-108.access.ch [195.112.70.137]) by atlantica.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.06pri) id VAA13235 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:50:51 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:02:53 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Default settings for border width To: OVATIONP-L Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Default settings for border width The manual (page 114) states that the default border width is "Thin". But all my versions from 2.46 onwards default to a width of 1 mm. Which makes me believe one can set the default setting. How does one do this? I would definitely prefer "Thin" or "0,25 mm". Setting the default line width in the Choices menu is possible but apparently does not interact with the Border width -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 00:14:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77231 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 00:14:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905293663:20:03838:16; Tue, 08 Sep 98 22:27:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116196; 8 Sep 98 22:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA01544 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:20:52 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01538 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:20:36 +0100 Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user162.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.94]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA23134 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:20:28 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:11:27 +0100 Message-ID: <48828aed35marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA01539 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB01544 Status: R On 08 Sep, Noel Griffiths wrote: > Thanks for your last one David - Tue 8 Sep 14:11:21. With reference t= o > the best place to put the transddf file, I have tried the same director= y > as OvationPro is in, I also tried putting it straight on the hard disc = - > the filer must see it here ! OK I promise not to put it in the Applets > again. It is now in both places quoted. > I followed your 'OK, try this'. I opened up a 'Merge GAC9899 to > OvationPro, Printer BJC4100' in Impact Pro. clicked on the edit menue > for the Command line. As before went via 'fetch' 'field' to 'title'.=20 > Clicked 'OK'. In the command window there appeared ':Impact.GAC9899 > Fetchfile', which I dragged to an 'edit' window, '{merge > ":Impact.GAC9899 Fetch title"} appeared. I wasn't too sure of your > instruction 'settype the file tp 707' but I did this via 'edit' 'misc' > 'settype' which I now see is showing 'DDF', so perhaps I am on the righ= t > lines. On dragging the file from the Edit window across to the Ovation > window I finished up with '{merge":Impact.GAC9899Fetch title }' and of > course the 'test'button did nothing on clicking. > I do wish I could get Ovation Pro to work with Impact Pro as Impression > does. David - I have to say that Noel is not the only one - I've been following this correspondence in the same vain attempt to get Impact OPro to work together - this is why I took advantage of the recent ImpactOPro offer. I am mirroring what you are telling Noel to do and am having exactly the same problems. I'm not trying to get at you - I'm merely trying to say that it isn't jus= t Noel - maybe there's something we're=A0all missing? Slainte --=20 Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 00:15:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77232 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 00:14:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905299286:10:11009:18; Wed, 09 Sep 98 00:01:26 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116207; 9 Sep 98 0:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA01723 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:56:32 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01718 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:56:20 +0100 Received: from usern101.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.81.134] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zGWgm-00050N-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:56:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:51:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4882891fe3rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 08 Sep, Noel Griffiths wrote: > Thanks for your last one David - Tue 8 Sep 14:11:21. With reference to > the best place to put the transddf file, I have tried the same directory > as OvationPro is in, I also tried putting it straight on the hard disc - > the filer must see it here ! OK I promise not to put it in the Applets > again. It is now in both places quoted. I put my filters in !System.Resources where they are seen during bootup. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 12:37:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77273 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 12:37:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905312461:10:23341:19; Wed, 09 Sep 98 03:41:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128471; 9 Sep 98 3:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA02169 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 03:04:57 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02156 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 03:04:30 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGZcs-00059d-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:04:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 98 00:34:38 GMT Message-Id: <77238@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Default settings for border width X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The manual (page 114) states that the default border width is "Thin". But >all my versions from 2.46 onwards default to a width of 1 mm. Which makes me >believe one can set the default setting. >How does one do this? I would definitely prefer "Thin" or "0,25 mm". This value is hardwired into the program. So you can only change it by taking out a copy of debug... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 12:37:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77274 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 12:37:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905312727:10:24545:16; Wed, 09 Sep 98 03:45:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100388; 9 Sep 98 3:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA02171 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 03:05:13 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02163 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 03:04:41 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGZcx-00059d-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:04:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 98 00:36:43 GMT Message-Id: <77240@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks overprinting problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >We worked out that if you set the black in the ArtWorks file to be a >spot colour and its application to the artwork in question to Overprint, >then import into a frame in OvnPro, you can use the Process window from >within the Picture menu to switch on 'Use spots' and the black in the >imported ArtWorks file will NOT knock out any underlying colours. The >spot black and any other black still seems to fall entirely on the black >separation. Thats a very good answer. When you use the 'use spots' feature, the attributes of the OPro colour whose name matches the named colour in the ArtWorks file get taken over. Which I think explains why it works. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 12:37:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77278 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 12:37:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905310240:20:22444:22; Wed, 09 Sep 98 03:04:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129032; 9 Sep 98 3:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA02129 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:57:34 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA02124 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:57:23 +0100 Received: from userm681.uk.uudial.com (193.149.79.223) [193.149.79.223] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zGZVx-0006xt-00; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:57:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Partridge) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 9 Sep 98 (02:35:48 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ac Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id CAA02125 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id CAB02129 On Tue 8 Sep 98 (22:11:27 +0100), marteng@intonet.co.uk wrote: >On 08 Sep, Noel Griffiths wrote: >> I followed your 'OK, try this'. I opened up a 'Merge GAC9899 to >> OvationPro, Printer BJC4100' in Impact Pro. clicked on the edit menu >> for the Command line. As before went via 'fetch' 'field' to 'title'. >> Clicked 'OK'. In the command window there appeared ':Impact.GAC9899 >> Fetchfile', which I dragged to an 'edit' window, '{merge >> ":Impact.GAC9899 Fetch title"} appeared. I wasn't too sure of your >> instruction 'settype the file tp 707' but I did this via 'edit' 'misc= ' >> 'settype' which I now see is showing 'DDF', so perhaps I am on the=20 >> right lines. On dragging the file from the Edit window across to the=20 >> Ovation window I finished up with '{merge":Impact.GAC9899Fetch title }= ' >> and of course the 'test'button did nothing on clicking. >> I do wish I could get Ovation Pro to work with Impact Pro as Impressio= n >> does. > >David - I have to say that Noel is not the only one - I've been >following this correspondence in the same vain attempt to get Impact >OPro to work together - this is why I took advantage of the recent >ImpactOPro offer. > >I am mirroring what you are telling Noel to do and am having exactly >the same problems. > >I'm not trying to get at you - I'm merely trying to say that it isn't >just Noel - maybe there's something we're=A0all missing? Spurred on by this correspondence, I've been having a go, and it all seem= s=20 to work! First, I followed David's instructions about making sure !TransDDF is=20 booted before Ovation Pro is run. I've booted all the filters in my=20 PreDesk file to make sure. I made a simple document with no merge fields in Ovation Pro, and saved=20 it to the document title icon in Impact's Merge Addresses window. I then=20 selected a merge command from Impact's menu (top right icon in the same=20 window), dragged it into the Ovation document, hit Test and there it was=20 (at least, there it was once I'd installed the Impulse applet!). I suspect you may be using an older version of Impact, which doesn't=20 get the commands quite right. I have Impact-3 v3.01, and using this=20 the command to fetch a field (as viewed in the actual document via=20 File > Mail Merge > Fields) was of the form: {macv=FFpulse(":Impact. Fetch ")}. Hope this helps. Regards, Richard Partridge. --=20 rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 12:37:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77279 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 12:37:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905313393:20:10382:16; Wed, 09 Sep 98 03:56:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124538; 9 Sep 98 3:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA02166 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 03:04:46 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02151 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 03:04:26 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGZcp-00059d-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:04:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 98 00:21:33 GMT Message-Id: <77236@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >David - I have to say that Noel is not the only one - I've been following >this correspondence in the same vain attempt to get Impact OPro to work >together - this is why I took advantage of the recent ImpactOPro offer. You'll have seen the mail from someone else who said it worked then ;-) Two tests; (1) What happens if you try to import any old Impression DDF file? Copy the next line but one to Edit, and try importing it, once with type 707 and once with type Text. {bold on} this is bold {bold off} this isn't If in both cases you get the first part in bold, then your DDF loader is set up as I've tried to explain. (2) The DDF loader you are using should be the latest one, it has a !Convert inside it dated 18th March. If you have more than one !TransDDF, get rid of all but the latest version. In summary if it won't work, either the DDF loader is not set up correctly, or (more likely) you've got an old one which does not understand the {merge} command. The latest loader is on the Beebug web site www.beebug.com. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 12:39:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77323 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 12:39:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905339407:10:00851:21; Wed, 09 Sep 98 11:10:07 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000703; 9 Sep 98 11:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA03010 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:05:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA03005 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:05:15 +0100 Received: from userk565.uk.uudial.com (193.149.70.141) [193.149.70.141] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zGh8C-0003SD-00; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:05:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Noel Griffiths) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 9 Sep 98 11:06:38 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 9 Sep 98 (00:21:33), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > You'll have seen the mail from someone else who said it worked then ;-) > > Two tests; > > (1) What happens if you try to import any old Impression DDF file? > Copy the next line but one to Edit, and try importing it, once with > type 707 and once with type Text. > > {bold on} this is bold {bold off} this isn't > > If in both cases you get the first part in bold, then your DDF loader > is set up as I've tried to explain. It worked on the first but not on the second. > > > (2) The DDF loader you are using should be the latest one, it has a > !Convert inside it dated 18th March. If you have more than one > !TransDDF, get rid of all but the latest version. Please bear in mind that I purchased Ovation from Beebug on 22nd August 1998, first 2.46 and later downloaded from the website version 2.49. I have checked both these versions and - yes - there is a !Convert file within the TransDDF file - dated 27 November 1996. If there is a later !Convert then why isn't it being shipped to new customers ? Your comments eagerly awaited. Sincerely Noel G > > In summary if it won't work, either the DDF loader is not set up > correctly, > or (more likely) you've got an old one which does not understand the > {merge} command. The latest loader is on the Beebug web site > www.beebug.com. > > -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ noel.gac@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 12:39:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77324 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 12:39:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905341035:10:15170:54; Wed, 09 Sep 98 11:37:15 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113070; 9 Sep 98 11:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA03113 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:39:46 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03108 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:39:35 +0100 Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user135.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.67]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22022 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:39:35 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:37:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4882d4bb91marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro In-Reply-To: <77236@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > (2) The DDF loader you are using should be the latest one, it has a !Convert > inside it dated 18th March. If you have more than one !TransDDF, get rid > of all but the latest version. > In summary if it won't work, either the DDF loader is not set up > correctly, or (more likely) you've got an old one which does not > understand the {merge} command. The latest loader is on the Beebug web > site www.beebug.com. Well - there you go - silly me - I thought that since I'd just received my copy of OPro from Beebug that the Trans Loaders would be up to date! Hmmmm. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 15:06:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77359 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 15:06:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905352451:10:29735:38; Wed, 09 Sep 98 14:47:31 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101443; 9 Sep 98 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA03602 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:40:57 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03597 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:40:42 +0100 Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user174.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.106]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24682 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:40:43 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 14:39:33 +0100 Message-ID: <4882e565bemarteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I suspect you may be using an older version of Impact... No, actually both Noel and I have recently purchased OvPro and both of us, AFAICT have the latest Impact. The problem actually is that the TransDDF shipped with OvPro by Beebug in August 98 is the old version. No wonder we were up the creek! Why I wonder... ...I think we shoul be told! Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 15:06:10 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77360 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 15:06:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905352828:10:03358:91; Wed, 09 Sep 98 14:53:48 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108983; 9 Sep 98 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA03655 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:53:18 +0100 Received: from mail1.zeitung-online.net (mail1.zeitung-online.net [195.189.0.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03650 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:52:58 +0100 Received: from acorn.chiemgau-online.de ([195.60.94.18]) by mail1.zeitung-online.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA21239 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:53:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Thomas Steinhausen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mi, 09 Sep 1998 15:54:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4882e6ba0dts@chiemgau-online.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone managed to make this work with !Squirrel the Database of Digital Services Ltd? -- \|||/ @ @ -- ---oOO-(_)-OOo-- _______ _ ____ ___ / ___/ / (_)__ __ _ ___ ____ ___ __ / __ \___ / (_)__ ___ / /__/ _ \/ / -_) ' \/ _ `/ _ `/ // / / /_/ / _ \/ / / _ \/ -_) \___/_//_/_/\__/_/_/_/\_, /\_,_/\_,_/ \____/_//_/_/_/_//_/\__/ /___/ ----------------------------------------------- Thomas Steinhausen - 08621/808197 - http://www.chiemgau-online.de -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 17:28:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77370 for opro ; Wed, 09 Sep 98 17:28:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905355074:20:04093:20; Wed, 09 Sep 98 15:31:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118703; 9 Sep 98 15:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA03769 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:24:18 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03764 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:24:07 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGlAl-0005qh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:24:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 98 14:10:31 GMT Message-Id: <77343@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Please bear in mind that I purchased Ovation from Beebug on 22nd August 1998 >Well - there you go - silly me - I thought that since I'd just received my >copy of OPro from Beebug that the Trans Loaders would be up to date! The discs being shipped date back to June 1997 when John Wallace left Beebug. I can't control this aspect. BTW I am not an employee of Beebug. >first 2.46 and later downloaded from the website version 2.49. I have checked >both these versions and - yes - there is a !Convert file within the TransDDF >file - dated 27 November 1996. If there is a later !Convert then why isn't it >being shipped to new customers ? I believe the latest DDF loader is on the web site. (by implication I don't believe that one is dated Nov 96). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 10 00:30:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77412 for opro ; Thu, 10 Sep 98 00:30:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905380709:10:00224:23; Wed, 09 Sep 98 22:38:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117176; 9 Sep 98 22:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA04726 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:31:56 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04721 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:31:40 +0100 Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user139.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.71]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02580 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:31:39 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:19:43 +0100 Message-ID: <48830f8665marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Merging difficulties - ImpactPro In-Reply-To: <77343@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Sep, David Pilling wrote: BTW I am not an employee of Beebug. Sory - didn't mean to sound as if I was getting at you personally - I rather hoped Beebug might be listening in to this thread. Am really impressed with Ovation Pro - and am gradually but quickly convrting all my Impression stuff to it. Well done and thank you for the excellent support which alone makes the difference between the two a matter of light years. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From noel.gac@argonet.co.uk Thu Sep 10 13:26:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77455 for opro ; Thu, 10 Sep 98 13:26:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905432723:10:26770:2; Thu, 10 Sep 98 13:05:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117691; 10 Sep 98 13:05 GMT Received: from userl889.uk.uudial.com (193.149.76.194) [193.149.76.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zH6PZ-0000VU-00; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:05:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Noel Griffiths) Reply-To: noel.gac@argonet.co.uk To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 14:06:21 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Latest DDF loader Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Many thanks for the latest DDF loader - your time and effort much appreciated. Cheers Noel G -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ noel.gac@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 10 21:00:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77522 for opro ; Thu, 10 Sep 98 21:00:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905457374:10:06969:50; Thu, 10 Sep 98 19:56:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007044; 10 Sep 98 19:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA06731 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:52:03 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06725 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:51:51 +0100 Received: from [158.152.132.188] (helo=dewarqcs.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHBpc-0007OR-00 for OVATIONPRO@LISTS.BARNET.AC.UK; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:52:38 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by dewarqcs.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:50:02 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:49:47 +0100 From: Gavin Dewar To: OVATIONPRO@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Embedding lines (& frames) Message-ID: <52a3858348%Gavin@dewarqcs.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Quercus Computer System X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message "Ian R. Platt" wrote: >... snipped........... > > I frequently want to drop a piccy or sprite into a frame, but not the > original master frame on the page as the proportions are not correct, > or, more usually, I need to alter the position of the object within > the frame. When I add a frame to the page, drop in the grafic and > expand it sideways to align with the right side of the master frame > and the whole frame disappears, St. Pilling gets the full bell, book > & candle treatment. > > .. snipped..... This works fine for me PROVIDED I create a frame FIRST then drop the Sprite file into it. If I drag the Sprite directly over the master frame, and then pullout the resulting frame to match the width of the master frame, THEN the sprite disappears, often wondered why the difference ? -- Gavin Dewar | Quercus Computer Systems | Design & supply of Long Preston, North Yorkshire, BD23 4NS | Process Control Systems tel 01729 840729 fax 01729 840728 | -- Gavin Dewar | Quercus Computer Systems | Design & supply of Long Preston, North Yorkshire, BD23 4NS | Process Control Systems tel 01729 840729 fax 01729 840728 | -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 11 01:17:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77544 for opro ; Fri, 11 Sep 98 01:17:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905466775:20:02253:21; Thu, 10 Sep 98 22:32:55 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002190; 10 Sep 98 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA07076 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:28:00 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA07071 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:27:48 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHEGW-0003c4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:28:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 21:15:12 GMT Message-Id: <77525@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Embedding lines (& frames) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This works fine for me >PROVIDED I create a frame FIRST then drop the Sprite file into it. >If I drag the Sprite directly over the master frame, and then pullout >the resulting frame to match the width of the master frame, THEN the >sprite disappears, often wondered why the difference ? Surely the point is that if you drop an image into OPro, then it auto creates an embedded frame - a frame which is part of a text story. It is resizing these frames which causes the trouble. Ordinary frames which you create in the normal way don't have this effect. They're not embedded in the text. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 11 19:00:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77624 for opro ; Fri, 11 Sep 98 19:00:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905536720:20:25585:25; Fri, 11 Sep 98 17:58:40 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103960; 11 Sep 98 17:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA08415 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:52:52 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08409 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:52:36 +0100 Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user157.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.89]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA12076 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:53:05 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:51:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4883fe994amarteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Automatic file name and date string in documents Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there a way of inserting a code into a document such that it will automatically insert the filename/path and date into the text or a frame on the page? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 11 21:41:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77636 for opro ; Fri, 11 Sep 98 21:41:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905542496:10:26353:38; Fri, 11 Sep 98 19:34:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118611; 11 Sep 98 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA08715 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:36:07 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08699 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:35:41 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHY3k-0001ie-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:36:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 19:01:10 GMT Message-Id: <77625@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Automatic file name and date string in documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a way of inserting a code into a document such that it will >automatically insert the filename/path and date into the text or a frame on >the page? Well you can put in an active date. And you could use a mail merge tag with associated field to put in virtually any other active thing like a filename - but you'd have to print via mail merge. (see the document about mail merge on the www.beebug.com site). There's this idea for an applet... It could be made that people can put { stuff } in documents, and the applet reads through all the text and takes { stuff } and passes it to OPro's macro evaluator and then pastes the result back into the document. I think this would allow lots of clever things like stylesheets that filled themselves in as soon as opened to be done. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 11 21:41:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77637 for opro ; Fri, 11 Sep 98 21:41:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905543405:10:02525:20; Fri, 11 Sep 98 19:50:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102849; 11 Sep 98 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA08761 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:45:02 +0100 Received: from mars.cableol.net (mars.cableol.net [194.168.4.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA08755 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:44:50 +0100 Received: from desdemona-66.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AB26359; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:45:49 +0100 Message-Id: <35F9E119.5BDB@cableol.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:48:57 -0700 From: Pete Bready Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Automatic file name and date string in documents References: <4883fe994amarteng@intonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Marten Gallagher wrote: > > Is there a way of inserting a code into a document such that it will > automatically insert the filename/path and date into the text or a frame on > the page? > > Slainte > > -- > Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk > Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 > Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 > http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Yes - I posted this just about a week ago - set up the merge fields below and print via mail merge for them to take effect: Put the following lines into a file, set its type to OvPDDL and then drag it into any document in which you wish to use either the actual time, filename or 'number of pages'. Use the mail merge facilities to insert the appropriate tag, and the print via mail merge. Perhaps we should compile a list of (hopefully) useful merge tags like these and perhaps post them to the Ovation Pro resources page? MERGE_02={merge 901 "time" "{gettimestring(\"%24:%MI:%SE\",macv)}"} MERGE_03={merge 902 "filename" "{fileinfo(currentfile(),macv)}"} MERGE_04={merge 903 "numpages" "{int i,n,f,c;f=currentfile(); c=documentchapters(f);for(i=0;i; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:51:30 +0100 Received: from [193.237.156.226] (helo=tarazen) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHYJ4-00056b-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:52:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 17:51:19 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Drag n Drop Printing Message-ID: X-Organization: ? X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hiya Using !Printers 1.53 with TurboDriver 4.07 : Besides the known printing problems with CCs TurboDrivers I have found that dragging an OP file to the printer icon bar icon results in the file being printed OK with the TurboDrivers, but when the Acorn printer is selected the output disappears. OP goes through the printing procedures correctly - but no output at the printer, I am using a HPLJ5L with the LasJet6 PDF. The output is in !BOOT.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ScrapDir.Printers.7 but does not get sent to the printer, a queing problem. I assume that this is another shortcoming of, or conflict with, the TurboDrivers, but if anybody has any other ideas - please let us know. Seeya --- Jon Reasons, reasons, excuses everywhere - only Feelings can make us Care -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 15 23:27:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77719 for opro ; Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:27:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905695221:10:03889:28; Sun, 13 Sep 98 14:00:21 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1103014; 13 Sep 98 14:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA11323 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:52:09 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA11318 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:51:53 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zIBeU-0001Kr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:53:15 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:32:02 GMT Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:31:43 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drag n Drop Printing Message-ID: <1faf758448%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hiya > > Using !Printers 1.53 with TurboDriver 4.07 : > > Besides the known printing problems with CCs TurboDrivers I have found that > dragging an OP file to the printer icon bar icon results in the file being > printed OK with the TurboDrivers, but when the Acorn printer is selected the > output disappears. > > OP goes through the printing procedures correctly - but no output at the > printer, I am using a HPLJ5L with the LasJet6 PDF. > > The output is in !BOOT.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ScrapDir.Printers.7 > > but does not get sent to the printer, a queing problem. > > I assume that this is another shortcoming of, or conflict with, the > TurboDrivers, but if anybody has any other ideas - please let us know. I have experienced the same problem. The other day I dropped 3 OP files on to the printer driver simultaneously, two were printed, one wasn't, nor would it print when i dropped this file alone on the driver. I do not use Turbos. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 21 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 15 23:29:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77745 for opro ; Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:29:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905847054:10:15327:24; Tue, 15 Sep 98 08:10:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111279; 15 Sep 98 8:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA14388 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:15:01 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14383 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:14:48 +0100 Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user144.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.76]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21749 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:14:31 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:12:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4885d8fde3marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Multiple graphics In-Reply-To: <48857e6575rayd@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 14 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > In Publisher, if I have a graphic which is used many times, I can use > the same one by adjust clicking on another frame and showing a copy in > the new frame. This means that the document only has to store one copy > of a graphic. > Can I do the same thing in Ovation Pro? I have RTFM, but I can't see it > anywhere. Sounds, like me, that you've recently gone over to OvPro. Good innit? Manual - Page 133 - Drag and Drop does it I think. Have destination frame empty. ALT Select click on picture. Move pointer to empty frame and click Select. Note the reverse of the default MOVE/COPY actions. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 15 23:30:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77749 for opro ; Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:30:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905853728:10:12260:29; Tue, 15 Sep 98 10:02:08 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011877; 15 Sep 98 10:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA14690 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:24:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA14685 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:24:08 +0100 Received: from userm156.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.77.206] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zIrLO-0006pL-00; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:24:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:21:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4885df4881rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Multiple graphics In-Reply-To: <4885d8fde3marteng@intonet.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 15 Sep, Marten Gallagher wrote: > On 14 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > In Publisher, if I have a graphic which is used many times, I can use > > the same one by adjust clicking on another frame and showing a copy in > > the new frame. This means that the document only has to store one copy > > of a graphic. > > Can I do the same thing in Ovation Pro? I have RTFM, but I can't see it > > anywhere. > Sounds, like me, that you've recently gone over to OvPro. Good innit? > Manual - Page 133 - Drag and Drop does it I think. No, that puts a separate copy of the graphic into each frame - so 10 copies of a 10k graphic = 100k. What Publisher does, and I thought OP might do as well, is have one copy of the graphic and an Alt click in a frame references that frame to the one copy - so 10 frames with the same 10k graphic in = 10k. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 15 23:30:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77751 for opro ; Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:30:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905853813:10:13112:21; Tue, 15 Sep 98 10:03:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119824; 15 Sep 98 10:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA14711 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:27:43 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14705 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:27:31 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 0zIrOg-0003Yz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:27:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:27:41 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Multiple graphics To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <4885d8fde3marteng@intonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 15 Sep, Marten Gallagher wrote: > On 14 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > In Publisher, if I have a graphic which is used many times, I can use > > the same one by adjust clicking on another frame and showing a copy in > > the new frame. This means that the document only has to store one copy > > of a graphic. > > > Can I do the same thing in Ovation Pro? I have RTFM, but I can't see it > > anywhere. > > Sounds, like me, that you've recently gone over to OvPro. Good innit? > > Manual - Page 133 - Drag and Drop does it I think. > > Have destination frame empty. > ALT Select click on picture. > Move pointer to empty frame and click Select. > > Note the reverse of the default MOVE/COPY actions. I don't think this is what was wanted; in Publisher you can make multiple frames display the same graphic and only have one copy of the graphic in memory. It also has the advantage that if you edit one instance of the graphic by OLE *all* instances of it reflect the changes. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 15 23:30:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77759 for opro ; Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:30:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905875801:10:28116:172; Tue, 15 Sep 98 16:10:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114005; 15 Sep 98 16:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA15609 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:25:31 +0100 Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15603 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:25:17 +0100 Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA06496 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:25:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA05056; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:25:02 +0100 Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3249) id <01J1UBFPHBDC000J3X@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:24:56 GMT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:18:17 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:18:17 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:18:20 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:24:51 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:18:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Re: Multiple graphics In-Reply-To: <4885df4881rayd@argonet.co.uk> To: ovation mailinglist Message-Id: <9717181615091998/A02513/CAUV40/11C97C121100*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11C97C121100 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;9717181615091998/A02513/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If you select a graphics frame with a picture in it, and copy and paste it elsewhere you only hold one copy of the picture in memory, or so I believe. However, if you subsequently edit the picture and drop in a replacement, only one copy changes. Alan Adams >> What Publisher does, and I thought OP might do as well, is have one copy > of the graphic and an Alt click in a frame references that frame to the > one copy - so 10 frames with the same 10k graphic in = 10k. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 15 23:30:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77760 for opro ; Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:30:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905796186:20:11230:16; Mon, 14 Sep 98 18:03:06 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011035; 14 Sep 98 18:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA13547 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:06:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA13542 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:06:31 +0100 Received: from usern347.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.84.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zIc5G-0003hG-00; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:06:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:43:05 +0100 Message-ID: <48857e6575rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Multiple graphics Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In Publisher, if I have a graphic which is used many times, I can use the same one by adjust clicking on another frame and showing a copy in the new frame. This means that the document only has to store one copy of a graphic. Can I do the same thing in Ovation Pro? I have RTFM, but I can't see it anywhere. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 15 23:30:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77761 for opro ; Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:30:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905876745:10:07597:30; Tue, 15 Sep 98 16:25:45 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104036; 15 Sep 98 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA15727 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:46:31 +0100 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.20.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15722 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:46:20 +0100 Received: from marotzke.zfn.uni-bremen.de (moritz18.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.6.58]) by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/ZfNServer) with SMTP id RAA42444 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:43:33 +0200 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:30:16 +0000 (GMT) From: "F. Marotzke" Subject: Re: Multiple graphics To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48857e6575rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 14 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > In Publisher, if I have a graphic which is used many times, I can use the > same one by adjust clicking on another frame and showing a copy in the new > frame. This means that the document only has to store one copy of a > graphic. > > Can I do the same thing in Ovation Pro? I have RTFM, but I can't see it > anywhere. Open destination frame. Activate source frame with triple click. Alt Shift Select click and drag picture to destination frame. The document size doesn't grow. Edititing the source or one of the other pictures via OLE takes only effect on the edited frame. Friedrich -- * Friedrich Marotzke * D-28757 Bremen * Germany * + coming via Acorn RiscPC-SA 202 MHz and ISDN to you :-) + -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 15 23:31:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77763 for opro ; Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:31:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905881143:10:17042:17; Tue, 15 Sep 98 17:39:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126938; 15 Sep 98 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA16025 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:56:29 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de ([194.77.23.26] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16020 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:56:16 +0100 Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA24089 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:56:36 +0200 Message-Id: <199809151656.SAA24089@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 15 Sep 1998 07:32:03 GMT Subject: Re: Multiple graphics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: > >In Publisher, if I have a graphic which is used many times, I can use the >same one by adjust clicking on another frame and showing a copy in the new >frame. This means that the document only has to store one copy of a >graphic. > >Can I do the same thing in Ovation Pro? I have RTFM, but I can't see it >anywhere. > Yes, just copy the frame. If You take a look at DDL files one can clearly see that copies of frames just refer to the data of the original frame. You can't have Impressions "flowing" graphic frames but there is no functional difference. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 15 23:31:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77769 for opro ; Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:31:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905874096:20:14324:45; Tue, 15 Sep 98 15:41:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101374; 15 Sep 98 15:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA15525 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:00:00 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15520 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:59:48 +0100 Received: from [158.152.233.63] (helo=wcartsco.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zIwaN-00012i-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:00:08 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:58:22 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:48:13 +0100 From: "newsreader@wcaco" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple graphics Message-ID: <98b328648%news@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4885d8fde3marteng@intonet.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4885d8fde3marteng@intonet.co.uk> you wrote: > On 14 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > In Publisher, if I have a graphic which is used many times, I can use > > the same one by adjust clicking on another frame and showing a copy in > > the new frame. This means that the document only has to store one copy > > of a graphic. > > > Can I do the same thing in Ovation Pro? I have RTFM, but I can't see it > > anywhere. > > Sounds, like me, that you've recently gone over to OvPro. Good innit? > > Manual - Page 133 - Drag and Drop does it I think. > > Have destination frame empty. > ALT Select click on picture. > Move pointer to empty frame and click Select. > > Note the reverse of the default MOVE/COPY actions. > > > Slainte I don't think that's what he wants. To make a copy of a graphic without it taking up (much) more memory there are two methods: One is to simply copy the frame with the pic in it and paste it elsewhere. The other is more intelligent... make an identical empty frame to the one the pic is in. Now double click on the original pic so the resize/rotate handles show up. Now Ctrl C to copy the pic to the clipboard. Go to the empty frame you just made, click on it to select it and Ctrl V to paste the pic in. It will appear at the correct position, scale and with all the processing of the original. Unfortunately, as soon as you edit one pic with OLE and save it back the pic you edited will become "real" and begin to take up memory, you then have to remake all the virtual pics again. Bit of a pain sometimes and I asked DP for a fix. I have since found that this behaviour is sometimes very useful so I have revised my request for a fix and asked if we could have a button in the alter pic dialogue box which is labelled "update all pics based on this one during OLE editing", of course this will never be done because the name of the button is ridiculously long :-) Kevin. -- To email anyone at WCA Co. please send to grafix@wcartsco.demon.co.uk The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 16 01:46:12 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77827 for opro ; Wed, 16 Sep 98 01:46:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905902227:20:23018:21; Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:30:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023021; 15 Sep 98 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA16497 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:54:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA16492 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:53:57 +0100 Received: from usero096.uk.uudial.com (193.149.87.112) [193.149.87.112] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zJ3zI-0004Nk-00; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:54:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Tim Rickard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 23:48:28 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Books Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA16493 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB16497 Has anyone any direct experience of book production using OvPro? Flyers, leaflets, pamphlets and posters are regularly covered, but I don=91t thin= k I=91ve ever read anything which relates to the production of large scale work of= say 220 pages with line and full colour illustrations. =20 Apart from the use of OvPro at this level - and I=91m sorry of this is no= t exactly appropriate to this group - I would be very interested to have an= y recommendations about printer/binders who understand our software and pro= duce good work. Many thanks, Tim =98=20 --=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 16 19:46:20 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77874 for opro ; Wed, 16 Sep 98 19:46:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905946671:10:16847:18; Wed, 16 Sep 98 11:51:11 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125849; 16 Sep 98 11:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA17445 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:13:42 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17438 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:13:30 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 0zJFX1-0002Qc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:13:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:13:53 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Global Clipboard and Ovation Pro To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 16 Sep, Chris Hughes wrote: > I have only recently started to use Ovation Pro version 2.50 and have > noticed it does not appear to use the Global Clipboard allowing cutting and > pasting between programs. Why not? > > I can cut and paste between Impression and Easiwriter and the otherway quite > happily for instance but not to or from Ovation Pro. This to me is a glaring > obmission from a package of this kind. > OP does support the global clipboard. You need to turn on the _Global clipboard_ option in the _Choices_ dialogue box ("Choices..." from the icon bar menu). -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 16 19:46:32 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77879 for opro ; Wed, 16 Sep 98 19:46:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905954157:10:09400:40; Wed, 16 Sep 98 13:55:57 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104558; 16 Sep 98 13:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA18032 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:19:31 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18027 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:19:19 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-96.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.96]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA29187 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:19:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:20:19 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Global Clipboard and Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <488672e488rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 16 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 16 Sep, Chris Hughes wrote: > > I have only recently started to use Ovation Pro version 2.50 and have > > noticed it does not appear to use the Global Clipboard allowing cutting > > and pasting between programs. Why not? > > > I can cut and paste between Impression and Easiwriter and the otherway > > quite happily for instance but not to or from Ovation Pro. This to me is > > a glaring obmission from a package of this kind. > > Have you turned it on in the icon bar preferences? > > It does work up to a point. I can export from OP using the global > clipboard, but it's not keen on importing text for some reason. > Whipping through the save text menu and then dragging the text icon to wherever you want it is also very flexible and can't take significantly longer. It's just a matter of getting into the routine of using it instead of Ctrl C / V. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 16 19:47:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77884 for opro ; Wed, 16 Sep 98 19:47:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905944534:20:07339:19; Wed, 16 Sep 98 11:15:34 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121044; 16 Sep 98 11:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA17230 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:39:37 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17225 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:39:26 +0100 Received: from [158.152.190.83] (helo=cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJF08-0001Sz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:39:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:33:30 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Hughes Subject: Global Clipboard and Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <35F596A3.7FBA@kbnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have only recently started to use Ovation Pro version 2.50 and have noticed it does not appear to use the Global Clipboard allowing cutting and pasting between programs. Why not? I can cut and paste between Impression and Easiwriter and the otherway quite happily for instance but not to or from Ovation Pro. This to me is a glaring obmission from a package of this kind. -- Chris Hughes, Member of Wakefield Acorn Computer (User) Group (The views expressed above are mine, and not necessarily the User Group's) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 16 19:47:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77885 for opro ; Wed, 16 Sep 98 19:47:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905945042:20:13574:29; Wed, 16 Sep 98 11:24:02 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013182; 16 Sep 98 11:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA17279 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:50:24 +0100 Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA17273 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:50:12 +0100 Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:50:40 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA15324 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:49:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:49:40 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: mailing list (re-open) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <"dirc.bris.ac:268950:980916104246"@bristol.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have not received any of the OvationPro mailing list emails for a week or so - has my name been taken from the list? Will you re-activate? Thanks Don -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School Fax 9288923 University Walk, Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 16 19:48:26 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77890 for opro ; Wed, 16 Sep 98 19:48:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905951191:20:01146:39; Wed, 16 Sep 98 13:06:31 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118530; 16 Sep 98 13:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA17863 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:26:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA17858 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:26:38 +0100 Received: from usero191.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.87.207] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zJGft-0003ys-00; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:27:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:13:38 +0100 Message-ID: <488672e488rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Global Clipboard and Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 16 Sep, Chris Hughes wrote: > I have only recently started to use Ovation Pro version 2.50 and have > noticed it does not appear to use the Global Clipboard allowing cutting > and pasting between programs. Why not? > I can cut and paste between Impression and Easiwriter and the otherway > quite happily for instance but not to or from Ovation Pro. This to me is > a glaring obmission from a package of this kind. Have you turned it on in the icon bar preferences? It does work up to a point. I can export from OP using the global clipboard, but it's not keen on importing text for some reason. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 16 21:38:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77912 for opro ; Wed, 16 Sep 98 21:38:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905976283:10:06379:22; Wed, 16 Sep 98 20:04:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121479; 16 Sep 98 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA18705 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:30:45 +0100 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (ns0.bb.u.net.uk [195.102.240.252] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA18699 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:30:21 +0100 Received: from brooke.u-net.com [194.119.133.251] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0zJNGW-0002cn-00; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:29:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:29:13 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Books To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA18700 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB18705 On Tue 15 Sep, Tim Rickard wrote: > Has anyone any direct experience of book production using OvPro? Flyer= s, > leaflets, pamphlets and posters are regularly covered, but I don=91t th= ink I=91ve > ever read anything which relates to the production of large scale work = of say > 220 pages with line and full colour illustrations. =20 >=20 > Apart from the use of OvPro at this level - and I=91m sorry of this is = not > exactly appropriate to this group - I would be very interested to have = any > recommendations about printer/binders who understand our software and p= roduce > good work. Many thanks, Tim > =98=20 >=20 Beebug's magazine Risc User is produced on Acorn equipment using Ovation Pro. Vol 11 Issue 6 describes the process along with an account of the previous method using Acorn and Apple Mac equipment. =20 --=20 brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 16 21:38:31 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77913 for opro ; Wed, 16 Sep 98 21:38:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905976439:10:07626:19; Wed, 16 Sep 98 20:07:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123572; 16 Sep 98 20:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA18681 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:28:17 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA18676 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:28:06 +0100 Received: from [158.152.89.120] (helo=snave.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJNFo-0005y5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:28:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:03:34 +0100 Message-ID: <48868d6fa0jack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Books In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA18677 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB18681 On 16 Sep, Tim Rickard wrote: > Has anyone any direct experience of book production using OvPro?=20 > Flyers, leaflets, pamphlets and posters are regularly covered, but I > don=91t think I=91ve ever read anything which relates to the production= of > large scale work of say 220 pages with line and full colour > illustrations. =20 > Apart from the use of OvPro at this level - and I=91m sorry of this is > not exactly appropriate to this group - I would be very interested to > have any recommendations about printer/binders who understand our > software and produce good work. Many thanks, Tim =98=20 Am now on my second hardback and have learnt a lot that I'd be happy to share. However, I shan't be around for a few days and no time now to set it all out in detail. If you don't get the info you need from this thread, give me a ring on 0117 973 6237 after Wed the 23rd and we can talk. --=20 Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 16 21:39:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77916 for opro ; Wed, 16 Sep 98 21:39:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905973729:20:14877:23; Wed, 16 Sep 98 19:22:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110580; 16 Sep 98 19:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA18574 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:47:20 +0100 Received: from smtp-relay.power.net.uk (smtp-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18569 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:47:04 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust116.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.116]) by smtp-relay.power.net.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10818 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:47:30 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:46:50 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <69629c8648%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA18570 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB18574 In message you wrote: > Has anyone any direct experience of book production using OvPro? Flyer= s, > leaflets, pamphlets and posters are regularly covered, but I don=91t th= ink I=91ve > ever read anything which relates to the production of large scale work = of say > 220 pages with line and full colour illustrations. =20 >=20 > Apart from the use of OvPro at this level - and I=91m sorry of this is = not > exactly appropriate to this group - I would be very interested to have = any > recommendations about printer/binders who understand our software and p= roduce > good work. Many thanks, Tim > =98=20 It rather depends what you call a book, I suppose. Does it include magazines? If so, the subject is regularly covered in Acorn Publisher. Also, occasionally, 'real' books. We have been doing quite a few jobs of around 70,000 words, with complex layout and graphics. There are three routes that we use: (1) send OvPr files to a bureau (e.g. Tony Tolver at TJ-Repro) who runs out film. You then use any printer you like - they don't care where the film has come from. (2) create camera ready copy (on special grade paper) - but some printers now find that this so much a fiddle that it is not actually cheaper. (3) send postscript files to a printer who can put the files through thei= r own imposition software. Imposition software is specialist stuff cost= ing several thousand pounds. But we have had some good results recently with a printer using our postscript output and running it through Preps. There is at least one other route which we havn't tried: sending raw file= s to a company which can take them though to final print electronically (e.= g. on a docutech printer). I know some printers could handle Imposition, but= I don't know if that extends to OvPro nowadays. David --=20 The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 01:29:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA77935 for opro ; Thu, 17 Sep 98 01:29:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 905985220:20:20104:17; Wed, 16 Sep 98 22:33:40 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020077; 16 Sep 98 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA19104 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:48:46 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19099 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:48:31 +0100 Received: from [194.222.88.143] (helo=watsnees.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJPRg-0002Hu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:49:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:20:40 +0100 Message-ID: <4886a4f974frank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Multiple graphics In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 15 Sep, F. Marotzke wrote: > On Mon 14 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > In Publisher, if I have a graphic which is used many times, I can > > use > the > > same one by adjust clicking on another frame and showing a copy > > in the > new > > frame. This means that the document only has to store one copy of > > a graphic. > > > > Can I do the same thing in Ovation Pro? I have RTFM, but I can't > > see it anywhere. > Open destination frame. > Activate source frame with triple click. > Alt Shift Select click and drag picture to destination frame. > The document size doesn't grow. > Edititing the source or one of the other pictures via OLE takes only > effect on the edited frame. Well, it does not seem to require anything fancy on *my* machine. Create one frame. Drag graphic file into frame. Click info button: 29k. With frame simply selected (no manipulation arms visible) press (copy to clipboard), press (paste clipboard contents), position cross-wires and click Select. This places an exact copy of the first frame and graphic just where you aimed it. Click info button: 29k. Repeat the pasting action and place third identical framed picture. Click info button: 30k ! Now move the images within the different frames. For example, three different positions. Click info button: 35k. Not much of an overhead? {8-) Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.09j on RPC, SA, OS 3.70, Window Manager 3.98, Ovation Pro 2.50. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 19:30:31 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78054 for opro ; Thu, 17 Sep 98 19:30:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906056982:10:02284:16; Thu, 17 Sep 98 18:29:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002110; 17 Sep 98 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA21899 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:50:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA21894 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:50:33 +0100 Received: from userm270.uk.uudial.com (193.149.78.66) [193.149.78.66] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zJiD8-0003yA-00; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:51:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:46:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4887938e33steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Automatic file name and date string in documents In-Reply-To: <35F9E119.5BDB@cableol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 Sep, Pete Bready wrote: > Marten Gallagher wrote: > > > > Is there a way of inserting a code into a document such that it will > > automatically insert the filename/path and date into the text or a frame on > > the page? > > > > Slainte > > > > -- > > Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk > > Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 > > Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 > > http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > Yes - I posted this just about a week ago - set up the merge fields below and > print via mail merge for > them to take effect: > Put the following lines into a file, set its type to OvPDDL and then drag it > into > any document in which you wish to use either the actual time, filename or > 'number of pages'. > Use the mail merge facilities to insert the appropriate tag, and the print > via mail merge. > Perhaps we should compile a list of (hopefully) useful merge tags like these > and > perhaps post them to the Ovation Pro resources page? > MERGE_02={merge 901 "time" "{gettimestring(\"%24:%MI:%SE\",macv)}"} > MERGE_03={merge 902 "filename" "{fileinfo(currentfile(),macv)}"} > MERGE_04={merge 903 "numpages" "{int > i,n,f,c;f=currentfile(); > c=documentchapters(f);for(i=0;i Pete Bready Hello All There is an Applet that does just what you wish. It's called Filename, and I think it is on the beebug web siter. Cheers -- Some like it HOT I like mine COOL _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 22:01:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78064 for opro ; Thu, 17 Sep 98 22:01:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906064984:20:04926:20; Thu, 17 Sep 98 20:43:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004912; 17 Sep 98 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA22241 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:18:28 +0100 Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com (arl-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.217.133]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22236 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:18:16 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.14) id QAA23748 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:15:17 -0400 From: Eddie Lord Subject: Disaster To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199809171618_MC2-59D4-EEE0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Just received the following...... ACORN GROUP PLC 17th September 1998 ACORN GROUP plc RESULT OF STRATEGIC REVIEW AND IMPLEMENTATION OF FUNDAMENTAL RESTRUCTURING PROGRAMME Acorn Group plc, the technology design and solutions company, today announced that following a strategic review of its operations , it is implementing a fundamental restructuring programme which will enable the Company to become more focused as a digital TV and thin client components company. The programme will also allow Acorn to establish key strategic alliances focusing on profitability and growth in these markets. In August, the Board's interim results statement reported that the Chief Executive had been empowered to create quickly a focused and sustainable business for the benefit of all shareholders. The new management team also made clear its intention to take early steps to reduce the losses and cash consumption in the non-ARM businesses. This was to be achieved through a combination of disposals, increased focus on targeted revenue-earning activity and a related cost reduction programme. As a result of completing its strategic review, Acorn is cancelling its Risc PC 2 project, and is realigning its infrastructure and support costs so that they are appropriate to the new company structure and size. Acorn will continue to supply existing desktop computer ranges, notably the Risc PC, but it will be postponing its annual show for the specialist market and is planning to transfer its logistics and systems activities to Xemplar, its 50% associate. As part of the infrastructure realignment, Acorn will be reducing its non-engineering staff by around two-thirds, and will be reorganising its engineering staff onto direct revenue-earning design and consultancy work. The overall effect of these changes will be to reduce Acorn's employee numbers from the current 175, to around 100. The Company currently estimates that the total cost of these measures will be about o1 million, inclusive of stock provisions. Stan Boland, Chief Executive, commented: "Today's announcement marks a significant watershed in Acorn's history. Whilst we are sad to be announcing the redundancies, we are making these important changes to Acorn's market position and business shape to recognise that the future of this company lies as a leading player in the digital TV system components, and in partnership with other technology companies. "Acorn's ability to create very fast and powerful silicon and software designs for some of the world's leading companies is increasingly being acknowledged. We are working hard to engage successfully in this market with a number of partners and potential partners." So, unfortunately this has the following implications : - effectively Acorn have closed the Workstations division - for now, Phoebe will not be released or manufacturered _by Acorn_ - Acorn World '98 has been cancelled - Acorn has made 75 staff redundant - Acorn will still be selling the SA RiscPC and A7000 although most of the sales side will move over the Xemplar Is this a wind up or what?????? Eddie Lord -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 22:01:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78065 for opro ; Thu, 17 Sep 98 22:01:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906065443:20:08529:18; Thu, 17 Sep 98 20:50:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008512; 17 Sep 98 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA22257 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:21:25 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22252 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:21:13 +0100 Received: from [194.222.194.153] (helo=abacusline.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJkYu-00073i-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:21:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:20:21 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA22253 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB22257 Status: R ACORN TO CUT STAFF TO 100 FROM 175 IN RESTRUCTURING RNS No 1112v ACORN GROUP PLC 17th September 1998 ACORN GROUP plc RESULT OF STRATEGIC REVIEW AND IMPLEMENTATION OF FUNDAMENTAL RESTRUCTURING PROGRAMME Acorn Group plc, the technology design and solutions company, today announced that following a strategic review of its operations , it is implementing a fundamental restructuring programme which will enable the Company to become more focused as a digital TV and thin client components company. The programme will also allow Acorn to establish key strategic alliances focusing on profitability and growth in these markets. In August, the Board's interim results statement reported that the Chief Executive had been empowered to create quickly a focused and sustainable business for the benefit of all shareholders. The new management team also made clear its intention to take early steps to reduce the losses and cash consumption in the non-ARM businesses. This was to be achieved through a combination of disposals, increased focus on targeted revenue-earning activity and a related cost reduction programme. As a result of completing its strategic review. Acorn is cancelling its Risc PC 2 project (Phoebe), and is realigning its infrastructure and support costs so that they are appropriate to the new company structure and size. Acorn will continue to supply existing desktop computer ranges, notably the Risc PC, but it will be postponing its annual show for the specialist market. It is planning to transfer its logistics and systems activities to Xemplar, its 50% associate. As part of the infrastructure realignment, Acorn will be reducing its non-engineering staff by around two-thirds, and will be reorganising its engineering staff onto direct revenue-earning design and consultancy work. The overall effect of these changes will be to reduce Acorn's employee numbers from the current 175, to around 100. The Company currently estimates that the total cost of these measures will be about o1 million, inclusive of stock provisions. Stan Boland, Chief Executive, commented: "Today's announcement marks a significant watershed in Acorn's history. Whilst we are sad to be announcing the redundancies, we are making these important changes to Acorn's market position and business shape to recognise that the future of this company lies as a leading player in the digital TV system components, and in partnership with other technology companies. "Acorn's ability to create very fast and powerful silicon and software designs for some of the world's leading companies is increasingly being acknowledged. We are working hard to engage successfully in this market with a number of partners and potential partners." For further information: Stan Boland, Chief Executive 01223 725000 Acorn Group Plc Rollo Head / Sarah 0171 329 0096 Shandwick Consultants About Acorn Acorn is a technology design company, with a strong market focus on Digital interactive TV (DiTV) and Information Appliances (IA). Acorn offers world-class capabilities in complete product, silicon, operating systems and software component design. Acorn solutions provide high levels of functionality, the flexibility that only software can provide, and a reduced component count. Due to Acorn's independent status as a design company, their technologies can be applied in a range of applications across the consumer electronics industry. END Bloomberg L.P. and its suppliers believe the information herein was obtained from reliable sources but they do not guarantee its accuracy. Neither the information nor any opinion expressed constitutes a solicitation of the purchase or sale of securities or commodities. =A9 Copyright 1998 BLOOMBERG L.P. BLOOMBERG, THE BLOOMBERG, BLOOMBERG NEWS, BLOOMBERG FINANCIAL MARKETS, BLOOMBERG NEWS RADIO, BLOOMBERG TELEVISION and BLOOMBERG PERSONAL FINANCE are trademarks and service marks of Bloomberg L.P. --=20 GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 22:52:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78082 for opro ; Thu, 17 Sep 98 22:52:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906068362:10:02443:26; Thu, 17 Sep 98 21:39:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002551; 17 Sep 98 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA22503 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:13:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22498 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:12:59 +0100 Received: from [158.152.17.41] (helo=arcade.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJlN3-00033y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:13:45 +0000 Date: 17 Sep 1998 07:58:50 +0100 Message-ID: <980917221145@arcade.demon.co.uk> From:(Matthew Hambley) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Books Organization: Arcade - The Definitive Acorn BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: ArcadeLink Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Origin: echo On the 16th of September, David Graddol wrote this on the subject of Re: Books: DG> There is at least one other route which we havn't tried: sending raw DG> file= s to a company which can take them though to final print DG> electronically (e.= g. on a docutech printer). I know some printers could DG> handle Imposition, but= I don't know if that extends to OvPro nowadays. I may be able to add something to this. When I was publicity officer of the university sci-fi and fantasy society I produced a news letter. This was an A4 folded to A5 stapled booklet of 12 pages. I had it reproduced at a bureau who used a Canon Docutech photocopier. I don't know exactly where the problem lay, whether it was my own inability to clearly and distinctly state what it was I wanted or whether it was the bureau not having a clue as to what they where doing but I had a lot of trouble extracting the information about how the document should be layed out. First they told me they needed the pages A5 size and properly paginated. Next time round they said that wasn't right and they needed them A4. Next time round they said that wasn't right and they'd had to optically reduce them to A5. Time after that there was another problem but I'm not sure what it was. Basically you need to provide a postscript file containing your pages, properly paginated. In the case of a 12 page booklet that means 12-1, 2-11, 10-3, 4-9, 8-5, 6-7. You must also remember to lighten all images by about 10% otherwise the photocopying process produces images which are too dark. Unfortunately I was just getting into the swing of things when my tenure as publicity office ended and I haven't had a chance to do anything similar since. Never mind I hope the above provides some useful information to anyone looking to produce a booklet such as mine. I imagine it would be a little impractical for a full blown book. (\/)atthew ....Two wrongs don't make a right, but two Wrights flew a plane at Kittyhawk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 22:52:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78084 for opro ; Thu, 17 Sep 98 22:52:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906068593:10:04476:31; Thu, 17 Sep 98 21:43:13 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113004; 17 Sep 98 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA22543 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:17:49 +0100 Received: from mail.enterprise.net (root@mail.enterprise.net [194.72.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22537 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:17:35 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp-138.telinco.com [195.188.107.138]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17039 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:18:21 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:19:32 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: Disaster To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199809171618_MC2-59D4-EEE0@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 17 Sep, Eddie Lord wrote: > Hi > > Just received the following...... > [snip] > Is this a wind up or what?????? Unfortunately not. But there are rumoured to be at least 2 bids to buy Workstations being worked on. Hold on and have faith for a few days. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 22: I'd love to go out with you, but it's my night to pet the dog/ferret/goldfish. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 22:52:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78085 for opro ; Thu, 17 Sep 98 22:52:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906069141:10:09340:16; Thu, 17 Sep 98 21:52:21 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122303; 17 Sep 98 21:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA22595 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:24:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22589 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:23:59 +0100 Received: from [194.222.88.143] (helo=watsnees.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJlXi-0003Zb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:24:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:20:35 +0100 Message-ID: <48872e4bd1frank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Colour Correction - OverHead Transparencies Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anyone? I am producing OHTs for my own use, with ArtWorks, Opro and an HP DeskJet 690C+ printer. < off topic> I know that it may not be the best printer for the job, but it is adequate and gives no problems with jets blocking due to intermittent use. My difficulty is getting the right colours onto the transparency material. I have made the assumption that if I get the colours I want on screen, then it should be possible to adjust their translation within OPro so that they come out the same on the OHTs. Having written that out, I now have a nasty feeling that you will all tell me that I have too simple a view of life. Will anyone deny that by telling me how to get what I want? Using !Printers 1.54 (NOT TurboDrivers!) and the PDF file HP DJ690C. This came from the Xemplar site accompanied by a ReadMe file which includes the following: "The palette has not been calibrated, so colour matching may be inaccurate." This seems to be a clue, but not being Sherlock ... Well, some of the colours, particularly the paler shades, almost fade away. How do I make them balance? Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.09j on RPC, SA, OS 3.70, Window Manager 3.98, Ovation Pro 2.50. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 23:38:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78086 for opro ; Thu, 17 Sep 98 23:38:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906070703:20:23297:19; Thu, 17 Sep 98 22:18:23 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103488; 17 Sep 98 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA22758 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:52:53 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22753 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:52:38 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJlzR-0006Cc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:53:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 98 22:37:34 GMT Message-Id: <78080@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >ACORN TO CUT STAFF TO 100 FROM 175 IN RESTRUCTURING grr. spamming my maillist with old news... I think this was highly predictable once you read Stan Bolands report to share holders a month ago - he said he was going to get rid of desktop machines - can't blame the man for keeping his promises. Presumeably one possibility is for someone to put together a new company to produce the Phoebe design and continue with the development of desktop machines. The questions that raises are, do Acorn intend to allow such a thing to happen, given that RISC OS is probably still a key part of the products they intend to produce? Do they intend to allow it at a sensible price? Acorn have failed to make a viable business out of these machines, could someone else do any better? I'd like to see such a new company formed with existing Acorn developers as major shareholders. What I fear is that someone whose pockets are not deep enough will take over and we'll be in for a long period of messing about - cf. what happend to the Amiga. Of course another possibility is to draw a line under the past and go and do something new... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 01:29:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78091 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 01:29:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906074556:20:24243:21; Thu, 17 Sep 98 23:22:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101541; 17 Sep 98 23:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA23220 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:55:32 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA23215 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:55:21 +0100 Received: from userb095.uk.uudial.com (193.149.71.78) [193.149.71.78] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zJmy9-0002Qq-00; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:56:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Sep 98 (23:48:57 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Acorn Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Of course another possibility is to draw a line under the past and go >and do something new... > > > >David Pilling Please don't - we need you. I will very happily go on using OvationPro as long as you can keep it going. I'm also more than happy to pay for upgrades/support and I'm sure many others would feel the same. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 01:29:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78090 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 01:29:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906072993:10:09777:16; Thu, 17 Sep 98 22:56:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119034; 17 Sep 98 22:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA23093 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:19:18 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23088 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:19:06 +0100 Received: from [158.152.17.219] (helo=oxted.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJmOz-0006zk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:19:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:15:48 +0100 (BST) From: George Foot Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <78080@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB23093 Status: R On Thu 17 Sep, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > Presumeably one possibility is for someone to put together a new > company to produce the Phoebe design and continue with the development > of desktop machines. I fear the position is that Acorn have been trying hard to find a buyer=20 for their Work Station business and have not succeeded. Even if sold without the debts hanging over it, it would need a=20 capitalization of several million pounds to have an assured life. >=20 > I'd like to see such a new company formed with existing Acorn developer= s > as major shareholders. Very sensible suggestion but is it practicable. But I hate to be=20 negative and I offer my mite of =A31000 as venture capital. George --=20 George Foot georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk Web Page. http://www.oxted.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 01:29:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78094 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 01:29:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906076621:20:09471:18; Thu, 17 Sep 98 23:57:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127303; 17 Sep 98 23:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA23374 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:31:05 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23369 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:30:53 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 0zJnWT-0003AR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:31:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:31:36 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: MSWord -> Ovation To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rob Hemmings wrote: > Please don't - we need you. I will very happily go on using > OvationPro as long as you can keep it going. I'm also more than > happy to pay for upgrades/support > and I'm sure many others would feel the same. Me too I can typeset the random bizarre languages that I work on so much more easily and professionally in OP than even my colleagues (Mac users that they are) can believe. I dread the day that I'm forced to move platform. The only thing I can't do that I want to is import (and export) M$Word files. Thats not strictly true, either. As a mark of good faith: There's a Word->OP transloader that I'm developing at (you'll have to wait until my computer's on, of course, until it gets put on Chris Johnson's site). There's lots of stuff that it can't do *yet*; but given half a chance I'll try to make it. There's a new version of EndNotes, a new cross reference applet, and an enhanced bookmarks manager that I'll release when I'm convinced they won't mangle your documents. I'm not jumping ship, I like it here. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK Research Fellow Tel. +44 (0)1223 335511 http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ Mobile: +44 (0)411 555266 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 01:30:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78097 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 01:30:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906076891:10:07298:24; Fri, 18 Sep 98 00:01:31 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106002; 18 Sep 98 0:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA23404 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:36:36 +0100 Received: from dub-img-8.compuserve.com (dub-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.206.138]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23399 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:36:24 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.14) id TAA24950 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:36:25 -0400 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199809171936_MC2-59CD-3DF8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA23400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB23404 If enough angry Acorn users put their hands in their pockets and shelled out, say, =A325, that would be a pretty large chunk of money, enough perh= aps to set up a real Acorn Clan--a user-owned producer of Risc PCs and Risc P= C IIs. --=20 Nobilangelo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobilangelo Ceramalus: Writer, journalist, desktop publisher,=20 graphics-designer, webmaster, image processor. +64 9 483-5428. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 01:30:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78099 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 01:30:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906078305:10:16519:23; Fri, 18 Sep 98 00:25:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016462; 18 Sep 98 0:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA23540 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 01:00:24 +0100 Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com (dub-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23535 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 01:00:12 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.14) id UAA05776 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:00:16 -0400 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199809172000_MC2-59D7-9EA6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id BAA23536 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The idea for a co-operative company owned by user-shareholders, which would carry on making and developing Risc OS workstations (RiscStation plc?) is, it seems to me, the only way we can keep this thing going. The only other possibility, which would be a fate almost as bad, is for some American company to buy the technology and do a Thunderbirds thing--make zillions out of the technology but mess it up as only Americans can. -- Nobilangelo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobilangelo Ceramalus: Writer, journalist, desktop publisher, graphics-designer, webmaster, image processor. +64 9 483-5428. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 02:21:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78116 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 02:21:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906079934:20:02689:47; Fri, 18 Sep 98 00:52:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002592; 18 Sep 98 0:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA23684 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 01:25:25 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23679 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 01:25:11 +0100 Received: from johnb.ihug.co.nz (p5-max36.akl.ihug.co.nz [202.49.181.197]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA11 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:25:12 +1200 (GMT) From: John Brown Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <78080@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: John Brown, Auckland, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id BAB23684 On Fri 18 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > I'd like to see such a new company formed with existing Acorn developer= s > as major shareholders. >=20 > What I fear is that someone whose pockets are not deep enough will take= over > and we'll be in for a long period of messing about - cf. what happend t= o the > Amiga. If the major developers have the capital I'd be all for a new company. But if they haven't, there's already been an offer of =A31000 to help kickstart a new venture company for Phoebe. I'd be personally willing to contribute somewhat more than that (legacy from my wife but got to be vag= ue with the NZ$ imitating a yo-yo relative to the =A3st :-) ) >=20 > Of course another possibility is to draw a line under the past and go > and do something new... No way, if I can help it be otherwise.=20 Cheers John Brown=20 Whose opinions are his own: the club cannot be held responsible. --=20 J.M.A. Brown |Sec/Treas Acorn Users Auckland=20 35 Laurie Ave |http://shell.ihug.co.nz/~snookums/welcome.html Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610,StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 13:48:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78119 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 13:48:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906105878:10:08319:25; Fri, 18 Sep 98 08:04:38 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008135; 18 Sep 98 8:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA24181 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:35:45 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA24174 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:35:30 +0100 Received: from userm048.uk.uudial.com (193.149.77.98) [193.149.77.98] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zJv5b-0006Bv-00; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:36:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 (07:35:52 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Acorn Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAA24176 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAB24181 On Thu 17 Sep 98 (19:36:25), nobilangelo@compuserve.com wrote: >If enough angry Acorn users put their hands in their pockets and >shelled out, say, =A325, that would be a pretty large chunk of money, >enough perhaps to set up a real Acorn Clan--a user-owned producer of >Risc PCs and Risc PC >IIs. >--=3D20 > >Nobilangelo. I'd be prepared to find quite a lot more than that (perhaps 1000+). Anyo= ne got any ideas? --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------=20 Rob Hemmings Southport =20 Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 13:49:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78133 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 13:49:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906114797:10:03270:38; Fri, 18 Sep 98 10:33:17 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003241; 18 Sep 98 10:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA24811 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:04:01 +0100 Received: from wanadoo.fr (root@smtp-out-1.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.68]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24806 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:03:37 +0100 Received: from aralia.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.42] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:03:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lyon14-175.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.204.175] by smtp.wanadoo.fr for Paris Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:03:27 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:15:14 +0000 From: Gil Wozniak To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Organization: WozniakDesign X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > > > >Of course another possibility is to draw a line under the past and go > >and do something new... > > > > > > > >David Pilling -If you decide to do something new: Thank's for all the softwares you've done. It was a real pleasure to work with it. -If you decide to continue with us Really thank's Let's wait and see -- ( \/ ) Gil.Wozniak@wanadoo.fr ( \/ ) > < Graphic Arts Student > < ( /\ ) ViF from Arm's Tech ( /\ ) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From bungle@dobble.mjr.org Fri Sep 18 13:49:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78134 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 13:49:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906117031:10:23712:0; Fri, 18 Sep 98 11:10:31 GMT Received: from gate.britgas.co.uk ([193.133.101.1]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023614; 18 Sep 98 11:10 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gate.service.britgas.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11295 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:11:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from ulysses.service.britgas.co.uk(93.224.233.233) by gate via smap (V2.0) id xma011291; Fri, 18 Sep 98 12:11:12 +0100 Received: from sd1000-a.service.britgas.co.uk (unverified [93.224.233.156]) by ulysses.service.britgas.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:11:05 +0100 Received: from jap.mjr.org (mail@cbjap [93.224.246.213]) by sd1000-a.service.britgas.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23047 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:11:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle by jap.mjr.org with local (Exim 2.02 #1 (Debian)) id 0zK0Nh-00007H-00; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:15:25 +0100 Message-Id: <19980918141525.A439@jap.mjr.org> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:15:25 +0100 From: Paul Hedderly To: David Pilling Subject: Re: Acorn References: <78080@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <78080@pilling.demon.co.uk>; from David Pilling on Thu, Sep 17, 1998 at 10:37:34PM +0000 X-Operating-System: Linux jap 2.1.114 X-mjr-is-a-microsoft-free-zone: Final. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Of course another possibility is to draw a line under the past and go > and do something new... > Oooh! Are you going to port OP to Linux? pretty please :O) Thanks for letting me try that Twain driver with my scanner - as you predicted, it didn't work. I'll just have to use the scanner under w95. Oh well - at least I got a reasonable scanner for 100quid.. beggers can't be choosers an' all that. -Paul From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 13:49:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78138 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 13:49:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906120765:10:26821:25; Fri, 18 Sep 98 12:12:45 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124671; 18 Sep 98 12:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA25204 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:39:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA25199 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:39:02 +0100 Received: from usero893.uk.uudial.com (193.149.90.147) [193.149.90.147] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zJytJ-0001Kj-00; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:39:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 (12:38:12 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Acorn Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAA25200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB25204 On Fri 18 Sep 98 (07:35:52 +0100), robh@argonet.co.uk wrote: > On Thu 17 Sep 98 (19:36:25), nobilangelo@compuserve.com wrote: > >If enough angry Acorn users put their hands in their pockets and > >shelled out, say, =A325, that would be a pretty large chunk of money, > >enough perhaps to set up a real Acorn Clan--a user-owned producer of > >Risc PCs and Risc PCIIs. I'm not knocking the idea of =A325 as a unit, but there I don't believe t= here would be enough cash generated if that was the average per committed= user. =20 > I'd be prepared to find quite a lot more than that (perhaps 1000+).=20 > Anyone got any ideas? I'm interested in taking part and if satisfied with the format of any buy= -out would be willing to put at least a couple of thousand in, perhaps so= mewhat more if I were to sell other shares. But it does need to be based= around a core of not only enthusiasts, but also long term Acorn engineer= s who have been involved in Phoebe/Ursula development. It would be interesting to know more details of the two parties that have= already expressed an interest to buy the workstation business. Better t= o strengthen one of those bids perhaps than to introduce a third weaker b= id. Dave D --=20 __ =20 _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| =20 Real address as above =20 =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 13:49:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78139 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 13:49:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906103249:20:00037:17; Fri, 18 Sep 98 07:20:49 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124057; 18 Sep 98 7:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA24043 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:47:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA24038 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:47:23 +0100 Received: from [194.222.71.242] (helo=blencathra) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJuL1-0004TY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 06:48:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:32:48 +0100 From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Disaster Message-ID: <626a2f8748%philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199809171618_MC2-59D4-EEE0@compuserve.com> X-Organization: Sharp Edge X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <199809171618_MC2-59D4-EEE0@compuserve.com> Eddie Lord <72046.251@compuserve.com> wrote: >Hi > >Just received the following...... > > >ACORN GROUP PLC >17th September 1998 ACORN GROUP plc >RESULT OF STRATEGIC REVIEW AND IMPLEMENTATION OF FUNDAMENTAL >RESTRUCTURING PROGRAMME > > >Is this a wind up or what?????? Seems not - see the various threads in comp.sys.acorn.misc over the last 6 hours. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 13:49:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78140 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 13:49:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906104317:20:08099:16; Fri, 18 Sep 98 07:38:37 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110070; 18 Sep 98 7:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA24096 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:14:26 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24091 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:14:15 +0100 Received: from [158.152.190.83] (helo=cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJul2-0006Vj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:15:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:01:33 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Hughes Subject: Re: Global Clipboard and Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <488672e488rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 16 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 16 Sep, Chris Hughes wrote: > > I have only recently started to use Ovation Pro version 2.50 and have > > noticed it does not appear to use the Global Clipboard allowing cutting > > and pasting between programs. Why not? > > > I can cut and paste between Impression and Easiwriter and the otherway > > quite happily for instance but not to or from Ovation Pro. This to me is > > a glaring obmission from a package of this kind. > > Have you turned it on in the icon bar preferences? Oh errrrr, NO! I have now and will have a little play. -- Chris Hughes, Member of Wakefield Acorn Computer (User) Group (The views expressed above are mine, and not necessarily the User Group's) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 13:50:04 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78150 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 13:50:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906111559:20:17927:16; Fri, 18 Sep 98 09:39:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100942; 18 Sep 98 9:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA24500 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:12:17 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24495 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:12:05 +0100 Received: from [194.159.0.5] (helo=ns.cityscape.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJwb5-0004Pk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:12:59 +0000 Received: from angel2.cityscape.co.uk.bcs.org.uk (angel2.cityscape.co.uk [194.159.0.17]) by ns.cityscape.co.uk (8.8.6/8.6.4) wi Received: from localhost by angel2.cityscape.co.uk.bcs.org.uk (8.8.6/SMI-4.1) id KAA20116; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:15:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:15:45 +0100 (BST) From: "derek.barber" X-Sender: ek24@angel2.cityscape.co.uk To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Subject: Re: Disaster In-Reply-To: <199809171618_MC2-59D4-EEE0@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, Could this bad news have anything to do with the launch of the new Apple machine? Derek Barber -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 14:50:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78177 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 14:50:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906125186:20:28294:23; Fri, 18 Sep 98 13:26:26 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129128; 18 Sep 98 13:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA25476 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:56:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25471 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:56:26 +0100 Received: from [194.222.19.108] (helo=digidark.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zK06E-0004yb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:57:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:30:01 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Knight Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Insufficient X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAB25476 On ?, David Dunn wrote: > On Fri 18 Sep 98 (07:35:52 +0100), robh@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > On Thu 17 Sep 98 (19:36:25), nobilangelo@compuserve.com wrote: > > >If enough angry Acorn users put their hands in their pockets and > > >shelled out, say, =A325, that would be a pretty large chunk of money= , > > >enough perhaps to set up a real Acorn Clan--a user-owned producer of > > >Risc PCs and Risc PCIIs. >=20 > I'm not knocking the idea of =A325 as a unit, but there I don't believe= there would be e > nough cash generated if that was the average per committed user. > =20 > > I'd be prepared to find quite a lot more than that (perhaps 1000+).=20 > > Anyone got any ideas? >=20 > I'm interested in taking part and if satisfied with the format of any b= uy-out would be > willing to put at least a couple of thousand in, perhaps somewhat more= if I were to s > ell other shares. But it does need to be based around a core of not on= ly enthusiasts, > but also long term Acorn engineers who have been involved in Phoebe/Ur= sula developmen > t. >=20 > It would be interesting to know more details of the two parties that ha= ve already expr > essed an interest to buy the workstation business. Better to strengthe= n one of those=20 > bids perhaps than to introduce a third weaker bid. I'd pledge not less than two grand too. But I'd want to see the business plan and know that I was going to be able to buy a faster a machine runni= ng the software I already have. My needs revolve around a faster bus and PCI so perhaps I'm a bit off top= ic for the OPro group. :-( --=20 Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 14:50:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78178 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 14:50:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906126101:20:07861:16; Fri, 18 Sep 98 13:41:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117731; 18 Sep 98 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA25513 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:11:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA25508 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:11:26 +0100 Received: from userm030.uk.uudial.com (193.149.77.80) [193.149.77.80] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zK0Kk-0002Uz-00; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:12:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(ovation) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:55:02 +0100 X-Organization: Locationworks, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Acorn Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 17 Sep 98 (22:37:34), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >I'd like to see such a new company formed with existing Acorn >developers as major shareholders. I can't count myself as a developer, but my company has made commitment to Acorn over the years, and I have nine RPC's running my own software here. I could fairly easily persuade my fellow directors to come up with, say, 10,000 ukp for such a venture. >Of course another possibility is to draw a line under the past and go >and do something new... Hang on a bit, let's see what will happen. Stan Boland's decision is stupid and short-sighted. Not everybody thinks the same way. -- Kell Gatherer kell@locationworks.com www.locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 18:32:12 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78180 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 18:32:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906128774:20:06018:19; Fri, 18 Sep 98 14:26:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005883; 18 Sep 98 14:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA25699 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:56:36 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25694 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:56:24 +0100 Received: from mistral.co.uk (d3-s10-166-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.166]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with S Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:56:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Don't despair quite yet. I've just talked to CJE Micros and there are definite plans afoot. Might be time to reach for your cheque books though. -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 or 642414 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 19:19:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78206 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 19:19:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906141825:10:24547:18; Fri, 18 Sep 98 18:03:45 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116083; 18 Sep 98 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA26177 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:42:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26167 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:41:53 +0100 Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zK4YW-0006m9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:42:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:35:52 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <78080@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 17 Sep, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > Presumeably one possibility is for someone to put together a new > company to produce the Phoebe design and continue with the development > of desktop machines. > > The questions that raises are, do Acorn intend to allow such a thing to happen, > given that RISC OS is probably still a key part of the products they > intend to produce? Do they intend to allow it at a sensible price? > Acorn have failed to make a viable business out of these machines, could > someone else do any better? I am not one who normally engages in speculation or comment about Acorn and its business acumen, but I simply cannot believe this situation at all. IMHO, the best thing that could happen is for the Workstation side to be operated outside of Acorn, who once again ignore their supporters and more importantly are so completely unaware of their superiority in terms of computer design. In a recent Which report concerning buying computers, the "best" computer was singled out by Which as being . . . . ACORN! I wish I had the money to buy it and transfer it into the hands of people who actually know what they are doing. A very frustrated and disillusioned Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _________________________________________ | '__| / _ \ /__ | / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | (_) | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 19:19:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78208 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 19:19:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906141830:20:15104:26; Fri, 18 Sep 98 18:03:50 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014943; 18 Sep 98 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA26179 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:42:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26172 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:41:59 +0100 Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zK4Yc-0006m9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:42:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:36:32 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199809171936_MC2-59CD-3DF8@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA26173 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB26179 On Fri 18 Sep, Nobilangelo wrote: > If enough angry Acorn users put their hands in their pockets and shelle= d > out, say, =A325, that would be a pretty large chunk of money, enough pe= rhaps > to set up a real Acorn Clan--a user-owned producer of Risc PCs and Risc= PC > IIs. Absolutely agree! Ros --=20 _ __ ___ ___ _________________________________________ | '__| / _ \ /__ | / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | (_) | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 = =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 20:33:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78219 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 20:33:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906144360:10:14892:49; Fri, 18 Sep 98 18:46:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126603; 18 Sep 98 18:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA26373 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:25:36 +0100 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26368 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:25:21 +0100 Received: from brooke.u-net.com [194.119.133.239] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0zK5D9-00012B-00; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:24:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:23:21 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199809171936_MC2-59CD-3DF8@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA26369 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB26373 On Fri 18 Sep, Nobilangelo wrote: > If enough angry Acorn users put their hands in their pockets and shelle= d > out, say, =A325, that would be a pretty large chunk of money, enough pe= rhaps > to set up a real Acorn Clan--a user-owned producer of Risc PCs and Risc= PC > IIs. > --=20 >=20 Peanuts..... You'd have more luck all joining together and shouting.... "COME BACK HERMAN HAUSER, ALL IS FORGIVEN." --=20 brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 21:56:06 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78248 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 21:56:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906149544:20:16695:17; Fri, 18 Sep 98 20:12:24 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016672; 18 Sep 98 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA26561 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:52:00 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA26556 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:51:44 +0100 Received: from userl942.uk.uudial.com (193.149.76.247) [193.149.76.247] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zK6a9-0001wL-00; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:52:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. S. Ahmed) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 20:54:41 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Acorn Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is OvationPro going to be ported to the PC? -- __ __ __ __ _______________________________________ |__ |__| |__| |__ | | | / Disclaimer: All my opinions / __|| | | | | | |_\| / Spam mail will be deleted instantly! / _______________________ \_/ ______ s.ahmed@argonet.co.uk ________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 21:56:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78252 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 21:56:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906152188:10:16025:22; Fri, 18 Sep 98 20:56:28 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123659; 18 Sep 98 20:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA26677 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:39:23 +0100 Received: from spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk (root@spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk [129.169.8.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26672 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:39:11 +0100 Received: from club.eng.cam.ac.uk (via 95ncp@club.eng.cam.ac.uk [129.169.16.2]) by spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA07165 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:40:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:40:10 +0100 (BST) From: Nigel Parker To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Mr. S. Ahmed wrote: : Is OvationPro going to be ported to the PC? God no, I hope not! Of course it might make good business sense... :-( If anything comes of these plans to move RiscOS to unix, then it would be important to get programs such as OvPro ported to the new system. Hopefully, in the short term, we will be able to use it on Phoebe - which looks like it will maybe be released by a 3rd party. ;-) Nigel -- Girton College, Cambridge, England, CB3 0JG. Tel: 0411 384803 http://welcome.to/nigels nigel.parker@iee.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 23:08:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78264 for opro ; Fri, 18 Sep 98 23:08:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906155525:10:12075:23; Fri, 18 Sep 98 21:52:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112375; 18 Sep 98 21:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA26820 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:32:33 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA26815 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:32:21 +0100 Received: from [194.222.185.234] (helo=moor-lane.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zK89X-0007ks-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:33:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:32:26 +0000 (GMT) From: allan harris Subject: Disaster To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is the first time that I have posted to the newsgroup and it is to add my plea to David to carry on the good work. Just what the hell are the accountants doing to Acorn? I cannot believe that this is in their best interests. I would have bought a Risc PC2, the Clan offer was too good to refuse and now this!!! It would be great to see the promise of the machine fulfilled but what incentive is there now for software developers? The only hope would be a venture capital infusion of funds to licence the ARM technology and build the machine; however it would involve considerable risk unless the 1 million cost of the changes to Acorn could somehow be adsorbed into a new company. I think that the 'thin-client' route cuts off all software development the loss of credibility among the cognoscenti is appalling and as a PR effort it stinks. I could ramble on for hours but this announcement has caused me more grief today than a car crash on Wednesday when I had the misfortune to be involved in a collision when someone drove into the side of my car. (If you want to test out side impact do it in BMW 5 series, most impressive piece of applied design and a demo of crumple zones par excellence.) If no further development for Acorn then we become a rump, a curiosity rather than at the cutting edge of computing. Much aggrieved, hoping that someone sees sense. Allan Harris nil carborundum illegitimi -- Allan Harris, GP, Haxby, York YO3 3PH tel 01904-768666 work 01904-760125, fax 750168 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 19 01:49:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78272 for opro ; Sat, 19 Sep 98 01:49:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906157363:20:17802:41; Fri, 18 Sep 98 22:22:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128029; 18 Sep 98 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA26910 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:09:25 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA26905 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:09:14 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zK8jH-0001h7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:10:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 22:00:03 GMT Message-Id: <78253@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is OvationPro going to be ported to the PC? Well not tomorrow. Having spent 5 years or more on it, the temptation is to get something back by porting it onto another platform, and NT would be an obvious choice. >If anything comes of these plans to move RiscOS to unix, then it would be >important to get programs such as OvPro ported to the new system. That would be a much better idea, the problem with porting to the PC or Mac is that large companies have about a 10 year head start in DTP. >Hopefully, in the short term, we will be able to use it on Phoebe - which >looks like it will maybe be released by a 3rd party. ;-) Yes, there are a few plans being put together, and we can but hope that in the near future something definite will emerge. >I'd pledge not less than two grand too. But I'd want to see the business >plan and know that I was going to be able to buy a faster a machine runni >ng the software I already have. Quite right, I'll want to see the business plan before deciding what to do. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 19 01:49:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78273 for opro ; Sat, 19 Sep 98 01:49:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906159375:20:03078:23; Fri, 18 Sep 98 22:56:15 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127371; 18 Sep 98 22:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA27028 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:39:10 +0100 Received: from wws1.ww.co.nz (root@ww.co.nz [203.98.51.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27023 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:38:56 +0100 Received: from zed.ww.co.nz (max35.ww.co.nz [202.27.199.35]) by wws1.ww.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8RH) with SMTP id KAA02267 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:37:05 +1200 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:20:01 +0000 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199809171936_MC2-59CD-3DF8@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA27024 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB27028 On Thu 17 Sep, Nobilangelo wrote: > If enough angry Acorn users put their hands in their pockets and shelle= d > out, say, =A325, that would be a pretty large chunk of money, enough pe= rhaps > to set up a real Acorn Clan--a user-owned producer of Risc PCs and Risc= PC > IIs. Sounds good BUT and there is always a but, isn't there. Someone mentioned it would need a capital of about a million UKP. At UKP25 each we'd need 40,000 people to contribute. Are there that many Acorn users? David PS Don't get me wrong. I love my RiscPC and will use it until eithe it or I expire :-) --=20 PO Box 21 525, Henderson 1231 Editor of ARMed, the newsletter of Acorn Waitakere City, New Zealand Users Auckland Inc. Proud owner of an Telephone: 64 09 838 9744 Acorn RiscPC running on a 200+ MHz email: zed@ww.co.nz StrongARM processor. British and best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 19 02:44:31 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78285 for opro ; Sat, 19 Sep 98 02:44:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906166473:10:00433:18; Sat, 19 Sep 98 00:54:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120939; 19 Sep 98 0:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA27204 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:38:29 +0100 Received: from curly.starnet.com.au (curly.starnet.com.au [203.24.132.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA27199 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:38:15 +0100 Received: from du003.starnet.com.au (du003.starnet.com.au [203.24.132.153]) by curly.starnet.com.au (NTMail 3.03.0017/3a.aadu) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:29:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Mal McClenaghan Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <78253@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: the image factory X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 18 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > That would be a much better idea, the problem with > porting to the PC or Mac is that large companies > have about a 10 year head start in DTP. It's a pity you can't tell that from using their products! I think RISC OS will survive and we will see new destop machines by the end of the year. That is unless I spent 3 hours on the 'phone last night fact finding for no good reason. There are strong possibilities of a new age of RISC OS machines without Acorn badges on the front. As long as I can use them and products like OP I'll be a happy bunny. Now where's my Stan Boland voodoo doll? Regards, Mal -- ____________________________________________________ Mal McClenaghan the image factory Tel: +61 3 9458 3599 PO Box 599, Fax: +61 3 9458 3488 Rosanna, Email: imagfact@starnet.com.au Victoria 3084, Australia ____________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 19 14:57:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78286 for opro ; Sat, 19 Sep 98 14:57:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906177820:10:12311:16; Sat, 19 Sep 98 04:03:40 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012301; 19 Sep 98 4:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA27504 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 04:44:09 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA27499 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 04:43:52 +0100 Received: from [158.152.17.41] (helo=arcade.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zKDA1-0002KV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:54:11 +0000 Date: 18 Sep 1998 21:22:25 +0100 Message-ID: <980919035148@arcade.demon.co.uk> From:(Matthew Hambley) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn Organization: Arcade - The Definitive Acorn BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: ArcadeLink Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Origin: echo On the 17th of September, David Pilling wrote this on the subject of Re: Acorn: DP>> ACORN TO CUT STAFF TO 100 FROM 175 IN RESTRUCTURING DP> grr. spamming my maillist with old news... :-) DP> I think this was highly predictable once you read Stan Bolands report to DP> share holders a month ago - he said he was going to get rid of desktop DP> machines - can't blame the man for keeping his promises. Some how I managed to miss this news. I'm not a shareholder but I would have thought I would have heard about it. There was no way I could miss the keeping of his promis though. I don't think anyone can fault the logic here. If you are looking to earn vast wadges of cash then DTV and thin clients is probably the place to be. However I think it is a mistake to kill off their development machines. If there is a management buy out of Acorn workstation devision then it would be interesting to note that Acorn User was leading the way. :-) I have been thoroughly heartened by all the positive sounds coming from this mailing list. I'm affraid I can't really contribute to the pledgeathon as I am a recently graduated, unemployed student looking for some way of earning enough money to live on and pay off my student debt, let along invest in a new company. However I think that this amply demonstrates that although Acorn users may love to bitch about their computer when the crunch comes they'd much rather have it than not have it. I am watching with extreme interest to see what transpires in the next few days and weeks. I would also like to take this opportunity to say "Up the revolution, Acorn forever". (\/)atthew ....Two wrongs don't make a right, but two Wrights flew a plane at Kittyhawk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 19 14:58:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78288 for opro ; Sat, 19 Sep 98 14:58:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906174953:20:13816:22; Sat, 19 Sep 98 03:15:53 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013660; 19 Sep 98 3:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA27399 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 03:55:30 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA27394 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 03:55:19 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.185) [193.130.250.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zKDC9-00074c-00; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 03:56:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. R. Tierney) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 19 Sep 98 02:37:57 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Acorn Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 19 Sep 98 (10:29:23 +0000), imagfact@starnet.com.au wrote: > > Now where's my Stan Boland voodoo doll? Now, there's a business proposition. I'd say this month somebody could sell almost 30,000 of those. I'd even buy one. Ross. -- Ross Tierney. rbt@eidos.co.uk "...Breathing in... Breathing out..." kraisee@argonet.co.uk -An Old Friend -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 19 14:58:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78287 for opro ; Sat, 19 Sep 98 14:57:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906181410:10:04202:18; Sat, 19 Sep 98 05:03:30 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003976; 19 Sep 98 5:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA27634 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 05:45:27 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA27629 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 05:45:14 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p4-max3.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.29.163.4]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28124 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:36:27 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id FAB27634 On Sat 19 Sep, David Love wrote: > Sounds good BUT and there is always a but, isn't there. Someone > mentioned it would need a capital of about a million UKP. At UKP25 eac= h > we'd need 40,000 people to contribute. Are there that many Acorn users? >=20 > David >=20 > PS Don't get me wrong. I love my RiscPC and will use it until eithe i= t > or I expire :-) >=20 Agreement here too, and if it comes to putting our hands in our pockets to support Soft and hardware for our chosen OS, will someone please set it up in such a way, so that we can use our Credit Cards, it is such a drag, going to a bank to get Funds in overseas bank cheques. Much more likely to get financial response from us antipedeans, if it is made simple to respond.... Well there you have it .. my 2c .. for what its worth.. --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... Ren=E9 Turner ..Survivor 82... Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz=20 H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury.org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:00:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78394 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:00:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906388027:10:03453:16; Mon, 21 Sep 98 14:27:07 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106819; 21 Sep 98 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA29195 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:01:14 +0100 Received: from mail.enterprise.net (root@mail.enterprise.net [194.72.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29108 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:00:26 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net ([212.1.132.155]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02656 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:43:19 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:16:43 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Changing Hard Drives To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro HELP. I have just installed my new hard drive (named Phoenix - seemed appropriate). OPro's copy protection has cut in and decided that it wont run. Both were IDE devices on hte Acorn interface and are/were numbered 4, and it was a straight copy from one another when both were installed together. Trying to run Opro gives "the program was not installed on this device originally. Drag its icon to the Program Installation Window to update it." Doing that gives "Please use the copy of Install supplied with that Program". I don't want to do another install of OPro, but I will do if I must - but is there any way to do the reinstall without losing all of my custom settings and spending hours setting everything the way I like it (and no, the answer is not to use the defaulrts :) ) Any assistance appreciated. An answer quickly would be nice since I need to use Opro tomorrow night at the latest.' Thanks again Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 12: I'd love to go out with you, but I'm doing door-to-door collecting for static cling. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:00:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78398 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:00:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906392944:10:02581:28; Mon, 21 Sep 98 15:49:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002564; 21 Sep 98 15:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA30169 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:34:44 +0100 Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA30164 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:34:29 +0100 From: Received: from DavidLewin@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id JLNKa19215 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <513fec16.3605752e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:35:42 EDT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Acorn Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 163 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a message dated 18/09/98 22:13:52, you write: << Yes, there are a few plans being put together, and we can but hope that in the near future something definite will emerge. >I'd pledge not less than two grand too. But I'd want to see the business >plan and know that I was going to be able to buy a faster a machine runni >ng the software I already have. Quite right, I'll want to see the business plan before deciding what to do. >> I bought a BBC 'B' for my business when the series 7 first came out and used BBC Basic to write small routines for the business, many of which I still use today. I am still with Acorn. I find Acorn software like O-Pro to be very intuitive and easy to use with impressive lists of features. If Acorn workstations dies and the likes of O-Pro with it, I suppose I will be able to export my DataPower and Pipedream files as CSV and O-Pro files as Rich Text or something into industry standard packages and life will go on. What I will not have is access to groups like this, shows like the one at Welwyn and support by people who care about what they are doing. It is a matter of being an individual amongst like minded individuals. I would hope that those who depend on the Acorn users for their living would be prepared to take a financial stake in Acorn Workstations if it were shown to be viable. And I would hope that enthusiastic users would also be prepared to take a stake in the company. I am prepared to support a new "users' club" because what we have is too good to go to waste. Can someone tell us how many users there are? How much each do we need to cough up? When is the Business Plan available? David Lewin CEng. MIEE. delewin@iee.org.uk at work:- Lewin of St. Albans Ltd. phone - 01923 250558 fax - 01923 819029 at home:- 01727 868300 & 01727 768522 Chairman South Herts REMAP -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:00:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78401 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:00:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906394066:10:15822:16; Mon, 21 Sep 98 16:07:46 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114210; 21 Sep 98 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA30283 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:50:45 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA30277 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:50:32 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17202 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:47:14 +0100 Received: from [158.152.4.3] (helo=jevans) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zKSkA-0007At-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:32:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:31:19 +0100 From: John Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing problems with Epson Photo 700 Message-ID: <48882BF6F6%john@jevans.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48872e4bd1frank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Archimedes X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just bought the Epson Stylus Photo 700 and am experiencing problems when printing OPro documents. The drivers work perfectly with Draw, Paint and when printing JPEGs. When I attempt to print a document I seem to just get 1/4 of the page and a colourful border around the edge. I have printed the same documents successfully with my Deskjet 850 so I'm not sure whether the problem lies with OPro or the driver. Any assistance would be appreciated. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:01:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78403 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:01:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906394623:10:22520:17; Mon, 21 Sep 98 16:17:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126361; 21 Sep 98 16:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA30392 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:01:19 +0100 Received: from cbgw2.lucent.com (cbgw2.lucent.com [207.24.196.52]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA30383 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:01:05 +0100 Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com by cbig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id HAA25696; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:15:16 -0400 Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:14:55 +0100 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4379F65@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Acorn Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:14:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro It's the sheer apparent ineptitude on the PR side. For example the August Clan mailing had a pleasant photoshoot of the Phoebe developers, and the Cox editorial stated that the recent management changes are entirely good news for Enthusiasts and Workstation users alike. Insofar as the community is populated by enthusiasts, PD librarians, dependent third party developers, clubs and schools, there must be more to it than an abrupt financial decision. One is surprised how upset one has been. >>Ideas expressed my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:01:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78410 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:01:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906396191:10:09749:34; Mon, 21 Sep 98 16:43:11 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009061; 21 Sep 98 16:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA30571 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:25:37 +0100 Received: from jess.glam.ac.uk (jess.glam.ac.uk [193.63.147.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA30562 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:25:19 +0100 Received: from mailex1.isd.glam.ac.uk ([193.63.150.31]) by jess.glam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zL8lH-0004Et-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:24:27 +0100 Received: by mailex1.isd.glam.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:28:18 +0100 Message-ID: <9374F44ED31ED11198F300805F8574F54334C0@mailex1.isd.glam.ac.uk> From: frost a To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk '" , "'Steve Ellacott '" Subject: RE: Acorn Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:28:17 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ---------- From: Steve Ellacott To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sent: 19/09/98 11:22:46 Subject: Re: Acorn I know this is off thread, but has anyone else found that the Clan private area does not now recognise them? Or is it just me? ------------- The Clan website contents have been suspended, but it is still accessible. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:01:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78416 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:01:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906388025:20:04936:35; Mon, 21 Sep 98 14:27:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005006; 21 Sep 98 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA29279 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:03:19 +0100 Received: from mail.enterprise.net (root@mail.enterprise.net [194.72.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29274 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:03:06 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp-155.telinco.com [195.188.107.155]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06537 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:37:56 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:26:01 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: Acorn To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <78253@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 18 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > Is OvationPro going to be ported to the PC? > > Well not tomorrow. Having spent 5 years or more on it, the > temptation is to get something back by porting it onto another > platform, and NT would be an obvious choice. Linux?? The only real competition there is the Corel WP - which doesn't really have a thing on OPro since they do completely different things. A second version for Linux, which is completely file compatible with the Acorn version would be nice. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 11: I'd love to go out with you, but I'm converting my calendar watch from Julian to Gregorian. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:01:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78417 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:01:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906388077:20:05611:17; Mon, 21 Sep 98 14:27:57 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125401; 21 Sep 98 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA29397 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:12:58 +0100 Received: from babelbrox.axion.bt.co.uk (babelbrox.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.16.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29392 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:12:45 +0100 Received: from aeolians.bt.co.uk (actually nemesis.aeolians.bt.co.uk) by babelbrox.axion.bt.co.uk (local) with SMTP; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:57:08 +0100 Received: from popeye.aeolians.bt.co.uk (popeye.aeolians.bt.co.uk [132.146.40.35]) by aeolians.bt.co.uk (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18750 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:54:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from popeye (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by popeye.aeolians.bt.co.uk (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02010 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:55:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809210855.JAA02010@popeye.aeolians.bt.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 X-url: http://www.aeolians.bt.co.uk:8080/~pip/ To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:56:31 -0000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:55:29 +0100 From: Philip Rutter Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steve Ellacott wrote: > Don't despair quite yet. I've just talked to CJE Micros and there are > definite plans afoot. Might be time to reach for your cheque books though. > Strangely enough I was just about to reach for my cheque book on Friday to put my deposit down for a Phoebe when I read the news. My timing is obviously immaculate. I am therefore one of the many who would be prepared to put my money where my interest is for the sake of not having to use an MSdross box. Phil ps. I currently have an A5000 for serious stuff and a network of Sun workstations running Linux for fun :-) -- | Philip Rutter, Ipswich Systems Engineering Centre | | BT Labs, Martlesham Heath , Ipswich, Suffolk IP5 3RE, England | | e-mail : pip aeolians bt co uk | phone : +44 1473 648134 | -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:01:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78420 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:01:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906388708:20:12704:41; Mon, 21 Sep 98 14:38:28 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108073; 21 Sep 98 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA29488 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:20:23 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29483 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:20:11 +0100 Received: from mistral.co.uk (d2-s10-104-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.104]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with S Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:22:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I know this is off thread, but has anyone else found that the Clan private area does not now recognise them? Or is it just me? -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 or 642414 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:02:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78424 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:01:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906400951:10:02017:19; Mon, 21 Sep 98 18:02:31 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106247; 21 Sep 98 18:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA31022 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:45:35 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA31017 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:45:22 +0100 Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J22WJ5ULYS00AYUQ@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:54:55 GMT +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:47:23 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Changing Hard Drives In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <2a1f2a8948%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Sam Smith wrote: > HELP. > > I have just installed my new hard drive (named Phoenix - seemed > appropriate). OPro's copy protection has cut in and decided that > it wont run. Both were IDE devices on hte Acorn interface > and are/were numbered 4, and it was a straight copy from one > another when both were installed together. > When i need to change directory i use move (shift-drag) it works ok on directory change, maybe it works also with HD-change > Trying to run Opro gives "the program was not installed on this > device originally. Drag its icon to the Program Installation > Window to update it." > > Doing that gives "Please use the copy of Install supplied with > that Program". > > I don't want to do another install of OPro, but I will do if I > must - but is there any way to do the reinstall without losing > all of my custom settings and spending hours setting everything > the way I like it (and no, the answer is not to use the defaulrts > :) ) > hm why don't you use the def****,............. ;-) > > Any assistance appreciated. An answer quickly would be nice since > I need to use Opro tomorrow night at the latest.' > Quick enough? I hope it works good luck Greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/press.html for the (latest) bad news X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:02:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78426 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:02:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906402447:10:18002:47; Mon, 21 Sep 98 18:27:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018060; 21 Sep 98 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA30927 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:25:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA30899 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:24:17 +0100 Received: from usero486.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.88.248] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zL9ij-0005jb-00; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:25:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:11:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4889215f55rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Changing Hard Drives In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 19 Sep, Sam Smith wrote: > I don't want to do another install of OPro, but I will do if I > must - but is there any way to do the reinstall without losing > all of my custom settings and spending hours setting everything > the way I like it (and no, the answer is not to use the defaulrts Yes. Make a copybackup of your current version in another directory. Reboot so that the paths to the original aren't set. Using your original disc etc, register the *copy* and then update to 2.50. Copy the !Runimage of the updated one to your original working copy. Reset machine again so that paths to the copy are lost. Reboot original working copy. This worked for me when I was playing around with disc interfaces. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:02:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78427 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:02:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906391084:20:11619:32; Mon, 21 Sep 98 15:18:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011382; 21 Sep 98 15:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA29861 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:00:10 +0100 Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29856 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:59:55 +0100 From: Received: from DavidLewin@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id JUIKa05092 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8d0ae397.3605752d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:35:41 EDT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Acorn Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 163 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a message dated 18/09/98 22:13:52, you write: << Yes, there are a few plans being put together, and we can but hope that in the near future something definite will emerge. >I'd pledge not less than two grand too. But I'd want to see the business >plan and know that I was going to be able to buy a faster a machine runni >ng the software I already have. Quite right, I'll want to see the business plan before deciding what to do. >> I bought a BBC 'B' for my business when the series 7 first came out and used BBC Basic to write small routines for the business, many of which I still use today. I am still with Acorn. I find Acorn software like O-Pro to be very intuitive and easy to use with impressive lists of features. If Acorn workstations dies and the likes of O-Pro with it, I suppose I will be able to export my DataPower and Pipedream files as CSV and O-Pro files as Rich Text or something into industry standard packages and life will go on. What I will not have is access to groups like this, shows like the one at Welwyn and support by people who care about what they are doing. It is a matter of being an individual amongst like minded individuals. I would hope that those who depend on the Acorn users for their living would be prepared to take a financial stake in Acorn Workstations if it were shown to be viable. And I would hope that enthusiastic users would also be prepared to take a stake in the company. I am prepared to support a new "users' club" because what we have is too good to go to waste. Can someone tell us how many users there are? How much each do we need to cough up? When is the Business Plan available? David Lewin CEng. MIEE. delewin@iee.org.uk at work:- Lewin of St. Albans Ltd. phone - 01923 250558 fax - 01923 819029 at home:- 01727 868300 & 01727 768522 Chairman South Herts REMAP -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:02:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78439 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:02:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906400836:20:03302:19; Mon, 21 Sep 98 18:00:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002939; 21 Sep 98 17:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA30931 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:25:32 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA30909 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:24:22 +0100 Received: from userb751.uk.uudial.com (193.149.83.226) [193.149.83.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zKMKN-0003wk-00; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:41:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 19 Sep 98 12:39:46 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Disaster Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I was actually considering mortgaging my soul to take advantage of the phoebe offers. How could they do this? I feel as though I had been kicked in the stomach. Once again a British company specialises to look after the share holders or accountants, and betrays the maninreason for its existence, us, the work station users. We dont have a car industry. we dont have a computer industry. Where the competition to the evil gates! Cant say more. Just too gutted! Kenneth Munn -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:02:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78440 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:02:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906413263:10:05165:16; Mon, 21 Sep 98 21:27:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1105691; 21 Sep 98 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA31793 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:56:33 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA31767 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:55:43 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17429 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:52:26 +0100 Received: from [194.222.139.31] (helo=twintrees) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zKdfp-00016d-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:12:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:00:52 +0100 From: Derek Marshall To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn Message-ID: <48186b8848%Derek@twintrees.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Rosalind M. Share" wrote: > On Thu 17 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > > Presumeably one possibility is for someone to put together a new > > company to produce the Phoebe design and continue with the development > > of desktop machines. > > > > The questions that raises are, do Acorn intend to allow such a thing to happen, > > given that RISC OS is probably still a key part of the products they > > intend to produce? Do they intend to allow it at a sensible price? > > Acorn have failed to make a viable business out of these machines, could > > someone else do any better? > I would ask what has happened to the MicroDigital Acorn clone (Risc User 11.8, p.4)ser. Presumably they have already licenced RISC OS and have some of the capital to build a machine. Perhaps they could be persuaded to manufacture Phoebes instead. I confess I have no idea how far the development has still to go on Phoebe but given even the extended release date I'd guess the work is pretty near complete? Failing that, anybody tried Richard Branson or the Lottery? you know, Great British product needs support... > I wish I had the money to buy it and transfer it into the hands of people who > actually know what they are doing. I think Acorn must know what they are doing - I just wish they'd done it later. I always suspected Phoebe would be the last machine. Are IMS still carrying on with their "Peanut" portable? Derek. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:02:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78441 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:02:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906401714:20:13354:31; Mon, 21 Sep 98 18:15:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102761; 21 Sep 98 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA30928 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:25:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA30906 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:24:20 +0100 Received: from userc201.uk.uudial.com (193.149.95.167) [193.149.95.167] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zKPk1-0006a8-00; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:20:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(John & Chris Price) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 19 Sep 98 (17:18:53 +0100) X-Organization: Everymans, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Acorn Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 19 Sep 98 (16:36:27 +1200), renet@ihug.co.nz displayed their typing prowess: > On Sat 19 Sep, David Love wrote: > > > Sounds good BUT and there is always a but, isn't there. Someone > > mentioned it would need a capital of about a million UKP. At UKP25 > each > > we'd need 40,000 people to contribute. Are there that many Acorn > users? I don't think that Acorn actually realise how attached their users are to the Acorn technology. I have spent many hours arguing with my PC loving IT teachers at school... If this was M$ then all their users would just smile. Well Mr B., 'You don't know what you've got till it's gone'. You probably don't realise quite how near I am to bursting into tears right now. A very upset Peter. -- Everymans Wine, Tel: +44 (0) 1743 36 24 66 100 Frankwell, Shrewsbury, Fax: +44 (0) 1743 23 12 48 United Kingdom, SY3 8JS. WWW: http://www.everymans.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:02:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78446 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:02:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906402579:20:22817:19; Mon, 21 Sep 98 18:29:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118910; 21 Sep 98 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA31234 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:14:10 +0100 Received: from jess.glam.ac.uk (jess.glam.ac.uk [193.63.147.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA31228 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:13:57 +0100 Received: from mailex1.isd.glam.ac.uk ([193.63.150.31]) by jess.glam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLASZ-0004PP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:13:15 +0100 Received: by mailex1.isd.glam.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:17:06 +0100 Message-ID: <9374F44ED31ED11198F300805F8574F54334C5@mailex1.isd.glam.ac.uk> From: frost a To: "'Ovation Pro List '" , "'Sam Smith '" Subject: RE: Changing Hard Drives Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:17:04 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ---------- From: Sam Smith To: Ovation Pro List Sent: 19/09/98 23:16:43 Subject: Changing Hard Drives HELP. I have just installed my new hard drive (named Phoenix - seemed appropriate). OPro's copy protection has cut in and decided that it wont run. Both were IDE devices on hte Acorn interface and are/were numbered 4, and it was a straight copy from one another when both were installed together. Trying to run Opro gives "the program was not installed on this device originally. Drag its icon to the Program Installation Window to update it." Doing that gives "Please use the copy of Install supplied with that Program". I don't want to do another install of OPro, but I will do if I must - but is there any way to do the reinstall without losing all of my custom settings and spending hours setting everything the way I like it (and no, the answer is not to use the defaulrts :) ) -------------------------- I had the same problem a few months ago when I installed a new hard disc. I have just checked the following procedure out and it seemed to work okay. You will need the master program discs (there should be two)from the upgrade sent out last year. 1. Copy entire application from old hard disc to new destination directory. 2. Run the install application from the upgrade program discs. 3. Select the 'install main application' parts 1,2 & 3 options. 4. Drag the Ovn Pro icon from the install window to the destination directory. The application should now run ok. 5. If you have the upgrade to 2.49 from the Ovation Pro website install it following the instructions provided. 6. Copy all of the OvPScrpt files from the !OvnPro.AutoRun directory on the original installation to the same directory on the new installation. This should ensure that your preferences remain as they were. Repeat for the !Words directory to ensure your dictionary remains up to date. 7. Do not delete your old version until you are happy everything is working as it should be !! Hope this is of help. Alex Frost. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:02:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78447 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:02:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906448007:10:17015:16; Tue, 22 Sep 98 07:06:47 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016963; 22 Sep 98 7:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA32508 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:35:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA32503 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:35:30 +0100 Received: from userm361.uk.uudial.com (193.149.78.157) [193.149.78.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zLM4W-0000WI-00; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:37:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ian Wolfe) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 19:39:51 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Acorn Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 19 Sep 98 (10:22:46 +0000), s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk wrote: > I know this is off thread, but has anyone else found that the Clan > private area does not now recognise them? Or is it just me? > Strangely enough, I tried it last night, the first for a long time and it worked fine. You *are* omitting the first 0 from your number, aren't you? -- ___ |_ _|__ _ _ _ Linlithgow - birthplace of | |/ _` | '_ \ Mary, Queen of Scots | | (_| | | | | |___\__,_|_| |_| Facilis descensus Averno -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:02:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78449 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:02:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906449534:10:29713:18; Tue, 22 Sep 98 07:32:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106374; 22 Sep 98 7:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA32578 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:01:45 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA32573 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:01:30 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.9) [193.130.245.9] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zLMTh-0000l8-00; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:03:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:59:17 +0100 Message-ID: <4889729f43jmgray@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Type face Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Any thoughts as to how I can produce a 'c' with an upside down circumflex on top? Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:02:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78451 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:02:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906452769:10:02658:29; Tue, 22 Sep 98 08:26:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106594; 22 Sep 98 8:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA32754 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:05:58 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA32749 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:05:46 +0100 Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J23QL5PSQU00AYUQ@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:15:28 GMT +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:08:02 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: dutch hyphenation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <59ea788948%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello I'm using the hyphenation feature from OvP a lot. But for dutch text it doesn't work that well since the duch hyphenation rules are a bit different. I've got the dutch dictionary but i don't have a dutch hyphenation thingy. Can someone help me with this. Is there a dutch hyphenation thingy or do i need to make a dutch hyphenation dictionary? regards -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/press.html for the (latest) bad news X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:03:02 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78453 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:03:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906403317:20:00462:16; Mon, 21 Sep 98 18:41:57 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102154; 21 Sep 98 18:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA30930 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:25:25 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA30912 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:24:23 +0100 Received: from usern833.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.86.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zKL0K-00037j-00; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:16:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:26:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4887f48bdcrayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Acorn In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 19 Sep, Mal McClenaghan wrote: > There are strong possibilities of a new age of RISC > OS machines without Acorn badges on the front. As long > as I can use them and products like OP I'll be a happy > bunny. I think this has to be a possibility and the way forward. There are problems though, not the least of which are funding, development expertise and timescale. The first of these is obvious, but with all the money in the world you couldn't produce successful machines without the knowledge of those who have already been involved in the development - certainly not within a timescale that would make the project viable. Another idea that I have seen mentioned, and I don't know how feasible it is, is to develop a RISC OS PCI card. Although many may throw up their hands in disgust at the thought of adding a Risc PC to a PC, there is a lot going for it. Firstly, a lot of us use PCs anyway - that's why we have PC cards. Secondly, and most importantly, the hardware is available and cheap. If it were possible to produce a 'PC card in reverse', ie RISC OS and StrongArm on a PCI card for a reasonable amount of money, then we could have the best of both worlds RISC OS for a reasonable price. Let's face it, it is hardware costs that have crippled Acorn (apart from appalling management that is). Of course we would scrap the Acorn association and call it the 'Aleph 1 Risc PC2 Card' or whoever :-) Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:03:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78452 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:03:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906453662:10:12753:19; Tue, 22 Sep 98 08:41:02 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124185; 22 Sep 98 8:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00085 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:21:16 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00077 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:20:58 +0100 Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J23R3YBFV2008SQ9@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:30:37 GMT +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:22:39 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Type face In-reply-to: <4889729f43jmgray@argonet.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <25417a8948%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4889729f43jmgray@argonet.co.uk> J.M. Gray wrote: > Any thoughts as to how I can produce a 'c' with an upside down circumflex > on top? > When I've to make "strange" characters by joining two excisting ones, i do that in Artworks or Draw. You type a c there and a circumflex, you rotate or mirrors the circumflex and place it on the right postion, then either with the hand or with the intersec tool you can make it one figure. But then you make a picture of it, maybe someone else has en other idea to keep it a character. greetings -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/press.html for the (latest) bad news X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:03:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78455 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:03:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906454523:10:22723:18; Tue, 22 Sep 98 08:55:23 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111247; 22 Sep 98 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00240 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:37:08 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00235 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:36:56 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 0zLNxy-0001RP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:38:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:38:35 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Type face To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <4889729f43jmgray@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, J.M. Gray wrote: > Any thoughts as to how I can produce a 'c' with an upside down circumflex > on top? > In OP? Easy. Get the Critic applet from my website or from Chris Johnson's OP resources website. You need to install three fonts (supplied with the applet) and define some styles. To get a hacek over a letter first type the letter, then press Ctrl-U and then '5'. The Critic fonts contain a variety of diacritics in a number of positions; the applet automatically selects the right position so the diacritic is centred on the letter underneath it. (You can use the fonts in other programs, of course, but the Critic applet makes it particularly easy in OP). Alternatively the Electronic Font Foundry supplies fonts containing the c-hacek combination. Their phone number is 01344 85 201; you want a Latin-2 encoding font. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:03:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78459 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:03:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906455925:10:08801:20; Tue, 22 Sep 98 09:18:45 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108528; 22 Sep 98 9:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00118 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:22:17 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00100 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:21:52 +0100 Received: from mistral.co.uk (d1-s42-74-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.74]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMT Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:20:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199809210855.JAA02010@popeye.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 21 Sep, Philip Rutter wrote: > Strangely enough I was just about to reach for my cheque book on Friday > to put my deposit down for a Phoebe when I read the news. My timing is Me too. > obviously immaculate. I am therefore one of the many who would be prepared > to put my money where my interest is for the sake of not having to use > an MSdross box. OK, the places too look for news are the Cybervillage on the hot news page, and comp.sys.acorn.advocacy Apparently c.s.a.misc was too full of noise, so Chris Evans took the decision to set up on c.s.a.advocacy. There are threads there on what we want in a new machine, how much we would pay und so weiter. Current idea is a motherboard that you or your friendly dealer put in the PC box of your choice. (Personally, I *like* yellow.) Chris says that it now a case of waiting a week or so to see if finance can be arranged: Acorn *will* sell the technology if someone will pay. I am sure Chris and the others need all the support they can get, so make your views known. -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 or 642414 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:03:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78465 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:03:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906469513:10:11796:17; Tue, 22 Sep 98 13:05:13 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011104; 22 Sep 98 13:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA01430 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:42:21 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01425 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:42:05 +0100 Received: from [158.152.118.28] (helo=hallas.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLRnG-00061W-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:43:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:28:20 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48186b8848%Derek@twintrees.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48186b8848%Derek@twintrees.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I would ask what has happened to the MicroDigital Acorn clone (Risc > User 11.8, p.4)ser. Presumably they have already licenced RISC OS > and have some of the capital to build a machine. Perhaps they could > be persuaded to manufacture Phoebes instead. I think it's a case of 'watch this space'. Wait for the next issue of RISC User, for a start (which, I'm told, is due pretty soon now). We've got a big feature on Medi with information which you won't have seen elsewhere. Obviously this Medi coverage dates from a month or two ago, but it's all still correct, and Medi is going ahead as before. Unlike Phoebe, there are no immediate plans to kill it off, I'm told. As for MicroDigital having a direct involvement with Phoebe, you'd have to ask David Atkins. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:03:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78468 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:03:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906486074:10:00269:18; Tue, 22 Sep 98 17:41:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112876; 22 Sep 98 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02355 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:26:14 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02350 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:26:01 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLWE9-0007cY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:27:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:23:06 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:22:58 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: was Re: Acorn is Risc User Production Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message <48186b8848%Derek@twintrees.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > I would ask what has happened to the MicroDigital Acorn clone (Risc > > User 11.8, p.4)ser. Presumably they have already licenced RISC OS > > and have some of the capital to build a machine. Perhaps they could > > be persuaded to manufacture Phoebes instead. > > I think it's a case of 'watch this space'. > > Wait for the next issue of RISC User, for a start (which, I'm told, is > due pretty soon now). Hey, Richard, how is production of Risc User going now that it is created with OP? Any thoughts you'd like to share? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:03:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78477 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:03:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906496593:10:24388:18; Tue, 22 Sep 98 20:36:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024334; 22 Sep 98 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02872 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:16:09 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02867 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:15:57 +0100 Received: from [158.152.118.28] (helo=hallas.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLYsX-0007CQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:17:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:06:28 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: was Re: Acorn is Risc User Production Message-ID: <91b0ba8948%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > In message <48186b8848%Derek@twintrees.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > I would ask what has happened to the MicroDigital Acorn clone > > > (Risc User 11.8, p.4)ser. Presumably they have already licenced > > > RISC OS and have some of the capital to build a machine. Perhaps > > > they could be persuaded to manufacture Phoebes instead. > > > > I think it's a case of 'watch this space'. > > > > Wait for the next issue of RISC User, for a start (which, I'm > > told, is due pretty soon now). > > Hey, Richard, how is production of Risc User going now that it is > created with OP? Any thoughts you'd like to share? I'm enjoying using Ovation Pro to put RISC User together very much. It's a great package - and no, they're not paying me to say that! - which basically does the job very well. Everything happens a lot more smoothly than it did before. (Except for little matters like broken SyQuests etc...) The worst thing at present is that it's not possible to colour-separate JPEGs (a limitation of Acorn's code rather than David's, I believe), which means that all JPEGs have to be converted into sprites before printing. That's a pain, especially for the cover, which tends to increase in size from under 2Mb to 25+Mb! Folks here may be interested to know that about three weeks ago, Acorn asked me to do the Acorn World Show Guide for them. I had agreed, and was preparing to put it all together using Ovation Pro. I had also been asked to give a talk in the theatre (12:00 on the Saturday) about moving RISC User over to Ovation Pro from Quark Xpress - and again, I'd agreed (though public speaking is hardly my forte!). Of course, that's all scrapped following last week's announcement. At least, I think it is! ;-) I haven't had any official notification at all from Acorn, either in my capacity as magazine editor or with regard to the show. Presumably everyone who was involved has been sacked. Anyway, if you've got issue 11:6 of RISC User, you'll have seen my article about the changeover. Feel free to ask any further questions you like on this list, and I'll do my best to answer them (though I'm only involved in the process as far as getting the Ovation Pro documents in a fit state to print and sending them down to Beebug; I don't actually liaise directly with the printers myself). -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78478 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:03:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906454437:20:21435:16; Tue, 22 Sep 98 08:53:57 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100681; 22 Sep 98 8:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00203 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:34:18 +0100 Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (root@halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00196 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:34:00 +0100 Received: from koalasft.pnc.com.au (d81-nas2.Pen.pnc.com.au [203.57.114.81]) by halibut.pnc.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id S Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:37:52 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Jones Subject: RE: Acorn To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4379F65@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 21 Sep, Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris) wrote: > It's the sheer apparent ineptitude on the PR side. > > For example the August Clan mailing had a pleasant photoshoot of the Phoebe > developers, and the Cox editorial stated that the recent management changes > are entirely good news for Enthusiasts and Workstation users alike. > > Insofar as the community is populated by enthusiasts, PD librarians, > dependent third party developers, clubs and schools, there must be more to > it than an abrupt financial decision. > > One is surprised how upset one has been. This one over here (down here) is not surprised at the level of upset. Messages received from Acorn UK RECENTLY indicated all go for the future. Still, out of the ashes. Maybe the restrictions Acorn faced have now been removed. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnell and someonw has just turned the bugger on..... Maybeeeee. > > >>Ideas expressed my own. Mine too. ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Product Manager | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** Windows: Just another pane in the glass. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:02 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78480 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906454846:20:26306:43; Tue, 22 Sep 98 09:00:46 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026367; 22 Sep 98 9:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00119 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:22:19 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00102 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:21:53 +0100 Received: from mistral.co.uk (d1-s42-74-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.74]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMT Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:07:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 21 Sep, Ian Wolfe wrote: > Strangely enough, I tried it last night, the first for a long time and it > worked fine. You *are* omitting the first 0 from your number, aren't you? No, probably I did not. I thoughtof this afterwards myself :-( > -- > ___ > |_ _|__ _ _ _ Linlithgow - birthplace of > | |/ _` | '_ \ Mary, Queen of Scots > | | (_| | | | | > |___\__,_|_| |_| Facilis descensus Averno > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 or 642414 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:05 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78482 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906456037:20:09803:24; Tue, 22 Sep 98 09:20:37 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009752; 22 Sep 98 9:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA00509 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:02:09 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00503 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:01:56 +0100 Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user172.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.104]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24097 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:03:40 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:30:08 +0100 Message-ID: <48897af06amarteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Setting the italic font as italic Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro One of the typefaces I use is Gylessans. OvPro has decided that Black.Oblique is the Italic face whn I click on the Italic icon. The actual Italic face is Oblique - which happens to be at the bottom of the face picking list. This list has an (I) next to Black.Oblique. Anyone know how I tell OPro which one I really want associated with Italic? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78483 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906463882:20:09160:16; Tue, 22 Sep 98 11:31:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103034; 22 Sep 98 11:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA01007 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:01:30 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01002 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:01:16 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1319.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.39]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18203; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:03:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:28:50 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Type face To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, "Steven M. Ottens" In-Reply-To: <25417a8948%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message <4889729f43jmgray@argonet.co.uk> > J.M. Gray wrote: > But then you make a picture of it, maybe someone else has en other idea to > keep it a character. Even better is to use David Pilling's !Draw2Font. Save a drawfile in the desired box and save it as a font.... (or integrate it in an existing font with !FontEd. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Tel. +31(0)70 319 4343 Fax: +31(0)70 319 4963 VATNo: NL009507590B01 Acorn E-mail : ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail : avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail : info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage : http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78484 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906464463:20:15925:22; Tue, 22 Sep 98 11:41:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113526; 22 Sep 98 11:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA01048 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:16:31 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01043 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:16:20 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.193]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA1791 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:18:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:10:31 +0200 Message-ID: <4889899f84delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Type face In-Reply-To: <4889729f43jmgray@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Any thoughts as to how I can produce a 'c' with an upside down circumflex > on top? Apart from using the critic applet, or constructing a whole c-hacek in !Draw, you can also drop a Drawfile, just containing the circumflex, after the c. Rotate the circumflex (or the frame), scale it down and place it accurately above the c, using both horizontal and vertical kerning. It is a bit of work for the first time, but from then on you can always copy the entire thing in one single move. But if you don't bother to install three new fonts permanently and predefine some styles in your default page, then 'critic' is the best solution, anyway! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78490 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906527530:10:16313:17; Wed, 23 Sep 98 05:12:10 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100642; 23 Sep 98 5:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA03597 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:39:41 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA03592 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:39:26 +0100 Received: from [194.222.19.108] (helo=digidark.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLgjx-0006Rq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:41:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:41:11 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Knight Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199809221652_MC2-5A45-2DC1@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Insufficient X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, Eddie Lord wrote: > Acorn is dead Long live the Mac. > > > Eddie I thought this was a moderated group where we could be free from total morons. -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78494 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906476000:20:01017:17; Tue, 22 Sep 98 14:53:20 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2100464; 22 Sep 98 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA01723 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:31:08 +0100 Received: from sunrise.horizon.nl (root@ns2.horizon.nl [195.193.108.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01710 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:30:46 +0100 Received: from xat.horizon.nl (bright43.horizon.nl [195.193.108.123]) by sunrise.horizon.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15423 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:32:29 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:34:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: Type face To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <25417a8948%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message <4889729f43jmgray@argonet.co.uk> > J.M. Gray wrote: > > > Any thoughts as to how I can produce a 'c' with an upside down circumflex > > on top? > > > When I've to make "strange" characters by joining two excisting ones, i do > that in Artworks or Draw. > You type a c there and a circumflex, you rotate or mirrors the circumflex and > place it on the right postion, then either with the hand or with the intersec > tool you can make it one figure. > But then you make a picture of it, maybe someone else has en other idea to > keep it a character. There are two possible approaches for this: 1) Buy a font with that particular character in it. I beleive it is used in some slavic languages. You could contact EFF for this. 2) Modify an existing font using FontEd and save it under a different name. Printing should now work and you will also be able to output it to PostScript without a problem, as all fonts are downloaded in the PostScript output file. Paul Reuvers -- X-Ample Technology bv P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78495 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906476031:20:01453:22; Tue, 22 Sep 98 14:53:51 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001145; 22 Sep 98 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA01724 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:31:11 +0100 Received: from sunrise.horizon.nl (root@ns2.horizon.nl [195.193.108.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01711 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:30:47 +0100 Received: from xat.horizon.nl (bright43.horizon.nl [195.193.108.123]) by sunrise.horizon.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15430 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:32:33 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:31:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: dutch hyphenation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <59ea788948%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Hello > > I'm using the hyphenation feature from OvP a lot. But for dutch text it > doesn't work that well since the duch hyphenation rules are a bit different. > I've got the dutch dictionary but i don't have a dutch hyphenation thingy. > Can someone help me with this. Is there a dutch hyphenation thingy or do i > need to make a dutch hyphenation dictionary? Some years ago we did the Dutch translation for Publisher. For this we bought the Dutch wordlist and hyphen routines. The Dutch wordlist never made it to the final product, because CC kept messing up the required module. The source code of the hyphen rountines are still, I think, in my possesion. I'll dig them out and send them to David P to see if they can be of use. Paul Reuvers -- X-Ample Technology bv P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78496 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906476927:20:12200:16; Tue, 22 Sep 98 15:08:47 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011594; 22 Sep 98 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA01844 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:47:36 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01839 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:47:25 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-97.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.97]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA21248 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:49:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:47:36 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Abreviations Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I must be doing something wrong here! I have several abbreviations set up to avoid repeated typing of often used phrases. Most of them occur mid sentence and are therefore followed by a space. The problem is the applet also produces a space so I end up with two. Is there a way of avoiding this? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78493 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906540246:10:20819:22; Wed, 23 Sep 98 08:44:06 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020660; 23 Sep 98 8:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA03824 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:16:25 +0100 Received: from mailme.wirehub.nl (ns2.wirehub.net [194.165.94.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03819 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:16:14 +0100 Received: from hamuy.wirehub.nl (p680.wirehub.net [195.86.48.168]) by mailme.wirehub.nl (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21448 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:18:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:15:55 +0100 (BST) From: "J.J. Muyderman" Subject: Filthy maillist To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199809221652_MC2-5A45-2DC1@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen - Nijmegen - (31)(024) 377 83 98 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 22 Sep, Eddie Lord wrote: > Acorn is dead Long live the Mac. > > > Eddie Please, don't pollute my mailbox with this kind of messages! This maillist is intend to be usefull for supporting each other while working with OvnPro and Iam happy with it. If you're angry, O.K., but it's for me the wrong place to read it. My time is short and I try to be efficient with it. So please, help me to avoid wasting it by writing your displeasure to the right platform. Thank you! -- Vriendelijke Hans Muyderman groeten / _ _ ____ __ _ ______ Kind regards | | | | / __ \ | \ | | / ____) | |___| | / /__\ \ | \ \ | |< <____ | ___ | | ____ | | |\ \| | \_____ \ | | | | | | | | | | \ \ | ______> > |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| \__|(_______/ |\ /| _ __ _ | \/ | | | | | | \ |_ |_> |\/| /_\ |\| ______________| | |__| |__| |_/ |__ | \ | | | | | |____________________ | / -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78499 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906543702:10:17204:19; Wed, 23 Sep 98 09:41:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107908; 23 Sep 98 9:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA04049 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:04:19 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04044 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:04:07 +0100 Received: from [194.222.127.81] (helo=cje.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLks2-0001XS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:05:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:09:45 +0100 (BST) From: Adam Evans Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Some, but not much! X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, Steve Ellacott wrote: > OK, the places too look for news are the Cybervillage on the hot news page, and > > comp.sys.acorn.advocacy > > Apparently c.s.a.misc was too full of noise, so Chris Evans took the decision > to set up on c.s.a.advocacy. There are threads there on what we want in a > new machine, how much we would pay und so weiter. Current idea is a motherboard > that you or your friendly dealer put in the PC box of your choice. (Personally, > I *like* yellow.) > > Chris says that it now a case of waiting a week or so to see if finance can > be arranged: Acorn *will* sell the technology if someone will pay. I am sure > Chris and the others need all the support they can get, so make your views > known. I'd like to stress that 'CJE' are not going to produce the RiscPC 2. What we are doing, is getting involved in the organisation of details etc. This is a good advantage for everyone, because of our experience in the market. We do have an address phoenix@cje.co.uk which can be used for suggestions. Talks are underway for a meeting etc, but the main problem is 'working together' I don't want to say what the problem is as it may cause problems! Once it is sorted we can go ahead with some further plans. Keep an eye out for a 'project' website soon, also keep an eye in c.s.a.announce for big news. Also please note that John Lee's ideas of supplying just a motherboard are not very good. The RiscPC 2 needs a special case, then needs the data to be supplied on a harddrive, which leaves memory, floppy drive, and cd-rom out. Not much really! It may be something for the future to supply to dealers for custom machines. As dealers would have HD images etc. To keep it simple it will be good to keep the system fully spec'ed. Cheers, Adam Evans -- Webmaster and Sales Assistant CJE, 78 Brighton Road, Worthing, mailto:adam@cje.co.uk West Sussex, BN11 2EN, England http://www.cje.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)1903 523666 Fax: +44 (0)1903 523679 * * * * Any views expressed by me are not necessarily those of CJE * * * * -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78500 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906484348:20:15038:18; Tue, 22 Sep 98 17:12:28 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014736; 22 Sep 98 17:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA02211 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:52:01 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA02206 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:51:46 +0100 Received: from lizard (dialup008.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.40]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA24361 for < Message-ID: <360845A3.709A@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:52:24 -0700 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type face References: <4889729f43jmgray@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro J.M. Gray wrote: > > Any thoughts as to how I can produce a 'c' with an upside down circumflex > on top? I believe this character appears in the Latin2 character set (as opposed to the Latin1 character set normally used). The solution is therefore to find a font which has a Latin2 set supplied. I have seen one for Times which came as Times.Latin2 but I cannot help on the source of this - try one of the font companies like EFF. The other alternative is to take an existing font and use FontEd or DrFonty to copy and modify the existing 'c' to achieve the effect you want - all covered in Acorn PublisherVol. 4 Issue 4. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:04:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78501 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:04:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906487580:20:23506:25; Tue, 22 Sep 98 18:06:20 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023469; 22 Sep 98 18:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02468 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:45:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02463 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:45:30 +0100 Received: from userp540.uk.uudial.com (193.149.93.31) [193.149.93.31] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zLWWv-0002hP-00; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:47:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 22 Sep 98 00:32:42 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Acorn Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro A very good case could be made for funding from the National Lottery to pay off all Acorn's debts and secure the future of the Work Stations division. This is after all an example of a priceless national heritage asset that is disappearing. Alternatively, any generous lottery winners out there? Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ ....Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:05:04 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78505 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:05:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906494136:20:03295:18; Tue, 22 Sep 98 19:55:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111920; 22 Sep 98 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA02764 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:38:35 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02759 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:38:20 +0100 Received: from [194.222.185.234] (helo=moor-lane.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLYIA-0005fz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:40:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:53:01 +0000 (GMT) From: allan harris Subject: Re: Acorn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 19 Sep, Steve Ellacott wrote: > I know this is off thread, but has anyone else found that the Clan private > area does not now recognise them? Or is it just me? > > -- > Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, > University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK > Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 or 642414 > Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 > WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > They seem to have shut up shop. There is that press release and then an embarrassed hiatus. I wonder what the true enthusiasts within Acorn are thinking?? -- Allan Harris, GP, Haxby, York YO3 3PH tel 01904-768666 work 01904-760125, fax 750168 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:05:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78509 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:05:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906498489:20:18871:18; Tue, 22 Sep 98 21:08:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018724; 22 Sep 98 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA03001 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:51:11 +0100 Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com (hil-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.177.133]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02996 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:51:00 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.14) id QAA21253 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:52:10 -0400 From: Eddie Lord Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199809221652_MC2-5A45-2DC1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA02997 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Acorn is dead Long live the Mac. Eddie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:05:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78510 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:05:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906558469:10:12452:44; Wed, 23 Sep 98 13:47:49 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012474; 23 Sep 98 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA04883 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:01:01 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04878 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:00:46 +0100 Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user165.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.97]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07797; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:02:43 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: Pilling@intonet.co.uk, David Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:01:56 +0100 Message-ID: <488a17a8bamarteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Setting the italic font as italic In-Reply-To: <48897af06amarteng@intonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 22 Sep, Marten Gallagher wrote: > One of the typefaces I use is Gylessans. > OvPro has decided that Black.Oblique is the Italic face whn I click on > the Italic icon. > The actual Italic face is Oblique - which happens to be at the bottom of > the face picking list. > This list has an (I) next to Black.Oblique. > Anyone know how I tell OPro which one I really want associated with > Italic? I notice that this is not restricted to Gylessans but to many of the typefaces I have loaded? It is particularly noticeable that Bold Oblique is understood by OvPro to be Italic in many font families. Any thoughts anyone? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:05:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78516 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:05:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906499642:20:01024:17; Tue, 22 Sep 98 21:27:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111370; 22 Sep 98 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA03111 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:07:36 +0100 Received: from hera.cuci.nl (hera.cuci.nl [194.183.100.65]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03106 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:07:23 +0100 Received: from dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (dionysus.fw.cuci.nl [10.0.0.4]) by hera.cuci.nl (8.8.8/BuGless_2.02) with ESMTP id XAA20560 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:09:05 +0200 Received: from woltersd.cm.cuci.nl (woltersd.cm.cuci.nl [10.1.9.149]) by dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (8.8.8/BuGless_2.02) with SMTP id XAA17618 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:09:09 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:07:09 +0100 (BST) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: dutch hyphenation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA03107 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB03111 On Tue 22 Sep, Paul Reuvers wrote: > On Tue 22 Sep, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > Hello > >=20 > > I=91m using the hyphenation feature from OvP a lot. But for dutch tex= t it=20 > > doesn=91t work that well since the duch hyphenation rules are a bit d= ifferent.=20 > > I=91ve got the dutch dictionary but i don=91t have a dutch hyphenatio= n thingy. > > Can someone help me with this. Is there a dutch hyphenation thingy or= do i=20 > > need to make a dutch hyphenation dictionary? >=20 > Some years ago we did the Dutch translation for Publisher. For this we = bought > the Dutch wordlist and hyphen routines. The Dutch wordlist never made i= t to > the final product, because CC kept messing up the required module. >=20 > The source code of the hyphen rountines are still, I think, in my posse= sion. > I=91ll dig them out and send them to David P to see if they can be of u= se. >=20 > Paul Reuvers > =98=20 > X-Ample Technology bv > P.O. Box 77, 5340 AB, Oss, The Netherlands > Phone: +31 (0)412 634433 > Fax: +31 (0)412 643884 It would be nice if the Dutch hyphen routine could be used in OvP. It wou= ld make things easier. It is also possible to make or load a Dutch hyphenati= on dictionary. The problem is that in contradiction to the dictionaries ther= e is no possibility to make several hyphenation dictionaries. So you can ha= ve only one !HyphDict for one language. =98=20 D.Wolters, Maastricht =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:05:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78530 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:05:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906580072:10:06472:16; Wed, 23 Sep 98 19:47:52 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006456; 23 Sep 98 19:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05875 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:29:10 +0100 Received: from mailme.wirehub.nl (ns2.wirehub.net [194.165.94.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05870 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:28:59 +0100 Received: from hamuy.wirehub.nl (p556.wirehub.net [195.86.48.44]) by mailme.wirehub.nl (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA02800 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:31:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:28:47 +0100 (BST) From: "J.J. Muyderman" Subject: Re: dutch hyphenation To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: <488a195707delink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen - Nijmegen - (31)(024) 377 83 98 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 23 Sep, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > The source code of the hyphen rountines are still, I think, in my > > possesion. > > I'll dig them out and send them to David P to see if they can be of use. > > That would be great! > Vooruit met de geit! Yes!!! -- Vriendelijke Hans Muyderman groeten / _ _ ____ __ _ ______ Kind regards, | | | | / __ \ | \ | | / ____) | |___| | / /__\ \ | \ \ | |< <____ | ___ | | ____ | | |\ \| | \_____ \ | | | | | | | | | | \ \ | ______> > |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| \__|(_______/ |\ /| _ __ _ | \/ | | | | | | \ |_ |_> |\/| /_\ |\| ______________| | |__| |__| |_/ |__ | \ | | | | | |____________________ | / -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:06:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78539 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:06:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906540250:20:16677:16; Wed, 23 Sep 98 08:44:10 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116144; 23 Sep 98 8:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA03801 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:13:20 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03796 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:13:00 +0100 Received: by track.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:12:41 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:55:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4889d52a80bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Acorn In-Reply-To: <199809221652_MC2-5A45-2DC1@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 22 Sep, Eddie Lord wrote: > Acorn is dead Long live the Mac. Sorry, I didn't want to jump in with these threads, but now I "have" to: Acorn is still alive and will be it for quite a while! Acorn is a technology company. So they need hardware to show it. If they don't produce it for themselves now, they let it produce other companies. If we're a little bit lucky, then we can even have something like "competition" concerning the RISC OS desktop market. Don't throw away your RISC OS! If the shouting calms down, we will see, that "our" RISC OS is *not* in it's last days! Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM Sometimes what you get free costs entirely too much. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:06:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78542 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:06:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906590814:10:12221:16; Wed, 23 Sep 98 22:46:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101367; 23 Sep 98 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA06600 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:35:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA06595 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:35:37 +0100 Received: from userm410.uk.uudial.com (193.149.78.206) [193.149.78.206] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zLwbU-0002CY-00; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:37:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 23 Sep 98 22:22:08 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Printer Margins Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Some time ago I wrote regarding printing the same document in Opro from two different Archimedes machine but to the same printer. I obtained different results and I am almost certain this was due to the printer drivers or !Printers. I have just aquired a Laserjet III in good working order and connected it to my RISCPC with !Printers 1.54. An automatic print test from the machine itself shows that it can print to roughly 5mm from all sides of the paper. Using the reccommended method for testing with A4 paper size (ie no margins) and a page in !Draw with lines drawn to maximum size vertically and horizontally the top margin is about 9mm shorter than expected. Now the interesting bit. To set the paper size in order to get maximum printable area requires the following settings: Top 0.5 Bottom 16.5 Left 2.5 Right 10 What you actually get is margins of roughly 5mm except for the top which is about 13mm. I think that this suggests the Acorn software is to blame. Here's the rub. Acorn, always trying to make everything straightforward for the end user, produce a standard method of communicating with printers. So all you need is an extra bit of code relating to your printer (the driver) and away you go. Unfortunately recent printer technology has come up with features that the original Acorn software can't cope with and it seems that Acorn have problems getting the information necessary to write new drivers. Microsoft left things in the hands of the printer manufacturers. Make a new printer and supply the software to make it work (on a PC of course). Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:06:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78543 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:06:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906543313:20:23048:19; Wed, 23 Sep 98 09:35:13 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022972; 23 Sep 98 9:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA03989 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:53:31 +0100 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (ns0.bb.u.net.uk [195.102.240.252] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA03984 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:53:19 +0100 Received: from brooke.u-net.com [194.119.133.219] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0zLkgF-0007JM-00; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:53:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:47:59 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199809221652_MC2-5A45-2DC1@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, Eddie Lord wrote: > Acorn is dead Long live the Mac. > > On the same principle, in two years you'll be saying, " The Mac is dead, long the PC and Bill Gates." -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:06:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78556 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:06:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906560065:20:14540:17; Wed, 23 Sep 98 14:14:25 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013826; 23 Sep 98 14:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA04959 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:27:06 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04954 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:26:54 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.37]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAB5327 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:28:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:20:18 +0200 Message-ID: <488a195707delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: dutch hyphenation In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > The source code of the hyphen rountines are still, I think, in my > possesion. > I'll dig them out and send them to David P to see if they can be of use. That would be great! Vooruit met de geit! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:07:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78565 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:06:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906567815:20:25759:17; Wed, 23 Sep 98 16:23:35 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128371; 23 Sep 98 16:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA05460 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:17:02 +0100 Received: from ihgw2.lucent.com (ihgw2.lucent.com [207.19.48.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA05454 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:16:47 +0100 Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com by ihig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id KAA28242; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:06:55 -0500 Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:18:10 +0100 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4379F72@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: Machine Speed Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:18:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R thinking in terms of the available machines, the Medi and A7000+ are supposed to have an FPA co-processor and excel at floating point work. The SA RPC is actually slower at floating point but quite a bit faster than the A7000+ architecture for integer work. (Of course the RPC can potentially use more colour depths/bigger screen modes). So my question is, given the same screen mode on both A7000+ and SA RPC, which goes faster for Ovation? I guess the RPC because Ovation doesn't need floating point to any degree? To know which might help me choose my next machine(!) Christopher I Howe Bath -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:07:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78567 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:07:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906578898:20:01625:16; Wed, 23 Sep 98 19:28:18 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123242; 23 Sep 98 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05842 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:06:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA05836 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:06:08 +0100 Received: from userm647.uk.uudial.com (193.149.79.189) [193.149.79.189] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zLtKi-0005sM-00; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:08:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:54:47 +0100 Message-ID: <488a32787adf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Filthy maillist In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 23 Sep, J.J. Muyderman wrote: > On Tue 22 Sep, Eddie Lord wrote: > > Acorn is dead Long live the Mac. > > > > > > Eddie > Please, don't pollute my mailbox with this kind of messages! > This maillist is intend to be usefull for supporting each other while > working with OvnPro and Iam happy with it. > If you're angry, O.K., but it's for me the wrong place to read it. > My time is short and I try to be efficient with it. So please, help me to > avoid wasting it by writing your displeasure to the right platform. > Thank you! > -- > Vriendelijke Hans Muyderman > groeten / _ _ ____ __ _ ______ > Kind regards | | | | / __ \ | \ | | / ____) > | |___| | / /__\ \ | \ \ | |< <____ > | ___ | | ____ | | |\ \| | \_____ \ > | | | | | | | | | | \ \ | ______> > > |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| \__|(_______/ > |\ /| _ __ _ > | \/ | | | | | | \ |_ |_> |\/| /_\ |\| > ______________| | |__| |__| |_/ |__ | \ | | | | | |____________________ > | > / In a similar light... I might be an idea if someone trimmed the sig somewhat... because 14 lines is a waste of my mail download time. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.09j -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:07:26 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78575 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:07:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906587811:20:05814:21; Wed, 23 Sep 98 21:56:51 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005764; 23 Sep 98 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA06319 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:34:14 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06314 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:33:56 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (as5200-18.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.78]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09310 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:35:33 +1200 (NZST) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:49:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Risc User Production To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <91b0ba8948%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, Richard Hallas wrote: > Feel free to ask any further questions > you like on this list, and I'll do my best to answer them Y're game! Hi Richard. 1 question - do you know what was giving the weird letter spacings preceding 'f'? 'i'f (as in difficult which was repeated throughout), but I also saw sporadic o's u's and e's I think. I thought at 1st it was just a munted character width set on the ff ligature, but then thought I saw it preceding the odd single 'f' as well. BTW, I appreciate why you've gone for TimesNR, but I tend to agree with what you said in the article - it's not the prettiest font in the world. Personally I'd vote the hedonist way. Less copy and LondonA maybe? Encouraging to see you having so few problems with the changeover. Congrats on a good job. tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:07:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78576 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:07:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906628762:10:22135:18; Thu, 24 Sep 98 09:19:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023204; 24 Sep 98 9:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07622 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:05:51 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07613 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:05:37 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-97.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.97]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA02775 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:05:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:06:01 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Printer Margins To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 23 Sep, Richard Watkinson wrote: > > Unfortunately recent printer technology has come up with features that the > original Acorn software can't cope with and it seems that Acorn have > problems getting the information necessary to write new drivers. > > Microsoft left things in the hands of the printer manufacturers. Make a > new printer and supply the software to make it work (on a PC of course). > That's what you can get away with if you're a monopoly: no manuals, no support, no liability for failures; you just tell others to bear all the costs, carry all the cans, write all the printer drivers. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:07:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78577 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:07:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906587967:20:07604:16; Wed, 23 Sep 98 21:59:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123262; 23 Sep 98 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA06354 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:37:26 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06344 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:37:04 +0100 Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J25V4H3J6E00AYUQ@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:47:10 GMT +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:39:52 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*.wau.nl> Subject: Re: dutch hyphenation In-reply-to: <488a195707delink@news.wxs.nl> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <488a195707delink@news.wxs.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > The source code of the hyphen rountines are still, I think, in my > > possesion. > > I'll dig them out and send them to David P to see if they can be of use. > > That would be great! > Vooruit met de geit! > Yeah, though it would be greater when we hear that is ready ;-) thanks a lot I'll wait with lots of hope.... regards -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:07:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78578 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:07:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906629913:10:06633:17; Thu, 24 Sep 98 09:38:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006337; 24 Sep 98 9:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07707 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:21:30 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07702 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:21:18 +0100 Received: from [158.152.118.28] (helo=hallas.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zM6gQ-0001PQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:23:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:12:40 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User Production Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > On Tue 22 Sep, Richard Hallas wrote: > > Feel free to ask any further questions you like on this list, and > > I'll do my best to answer them > > Y're game! Hi Richard. 1 question - do you know what was giving the > weird letter spacings preceding 'f'? 'i'f (as in difficult which was > repeated throughout), but I also saw sporadic o's u's and e's I > think. I thought at 1st it was just a munted character width set on > the ff ligature, but then thought I saw it preceding the odd single > 'f' as well. Yes. It was a bug relating to PostScript kerning (i.e. it affected PostScript output only, so I didn't see it on the screen) which David has now fixed. I'm afraid that the problems still there in versions up to 2.50 (which was used to produce issue 11:6). Issue 11:7 has been done using an intermediate version of 2.51, so you shouldn't see that problem in RISC User again. 2.51 isn't ready for general release yet, though. > BTW, I appreciate why you've gone for TimesNR, but I tend to agree > with what you said in the article - it's not the prettiest font in > the world. Personally I'd vote the hedonist way. Less copy and > LondonA maybe? Well, Acorn Publisher uses LondonA, so I didn't want people to think I was copying! :-) More to the point, though, we'd only /just/ gone over to Times in any case. The first couple of issues of volume 11 were done in Garamond on the Mac, but that particular font apparently caused major reflow problems when printing (so much for the Mac's ease of use for DTP...), so Beebug reverted to Times for later issues. I wanted continuity, and felt that going back to Garamond again after a quick foray into Times would look 'indecisive'! Anyway, TimesNR has more weights than LondonA, which is sometimes useful, and it's certainly easy to read. A major factor in my decision was the presence of a good range of condensed weights in TimesNR, which I wanted for the News pages and elsewhere. > Encouraging to see you having so few problems with the changeover. > Congrats on a good job. Thanks very much. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:07:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78587 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:07:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906590851:20:05757:23; Wed, 23 Sep 98 22:47:31 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005526; 23 Sep 98 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA06580 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:33:04 +0100 Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.135]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06575 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:32:50 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.14) id RAA18825 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:34:08 -0400 From: Eddie Lord Subject: Re: Filthy maillist To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199809231734_MC2-5A74-EDF1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA06576 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hans Muyderman wrote: > Please, don't pollute my mailbox with this kind of messages! > This maillist is intend to be usefull for supporting each other while > working with OvnPro and Iam happy with it. > If you're angry, O.K., but it's for me the wrong place to read it. > My time is short and I try to be efficient with it. So please, help me to > avoid wasting it by writing your displeasure to the right platform. > Thank you! > -- > Vriendelijke Hans Muyderman > groeten / _ _ ____ __ _ ______ > Kind regards | | | | / __ \ | \ | | / ____) > | |___| | / /__\ \ | \ \ | |< <____ > | ___ | | ____ | | |\ \| | \_____ \ > | | | | | | | | | | \ \ | ______> > > |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| \__|(_______/ > |\ /| _ __ _ > | \/ | | | | | | \ |_ |_> |\/| /_\ |\| > ______________| | |__| |__| |_/ |__ | \ | | | | | |____________________ > | > / Not angry - just unfailingly realistic......... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:07:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78588 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:07:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906593744:20:04390:24; Wed, 23 Sep 98 23:35:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004277; 23 Sep 98 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA06868 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:35:56 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06863 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:35:40 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLxXa-0004rs-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:37:43 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:01:09 GMT Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:01:02 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn Message-ID: <4f73e8a48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Sat 19 Sep 98 (16:36:27 +1200), renet@ihug.co.nz displayed their typing > prowess: > > On Sat 19 Sep, David Love wrote: > > > > > Sounds good BUT and there is always a but, isn't there. Someone > > > mentioned it would need a capital of about a million UKP. At UKP25 > > each > > > we'd need 40,000 people to contribute. Are there that many Acorn > > users? > > I don't think that Acorn actually realise how attached their users are > to the Acorn technology. I have spent many hours arguing with my PC loving IT > teachers at school... > > If this was M$ then all their users would just smile. > > Well Mr B., 'You don't know what you've got till it's gone'. > > > You probably don't realise quite how near I am to bursting into tears right > now. > > > A very upset > Peter. > -- > Everymans Wine, Tel: +44 (0) 1743 36 24 66 > 100 Frankwell, Shrewsbury, Fax: +44 (0) 1743 23 12 48 > United Kingdom, SY3 8JS. WWW: http://www.everymans.com/ I must pop in sometime to buy a nice bottle of Muscat red; I'm in Bridgnorth. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:07:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78589 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:07:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906598381:20:15901:22; Thu, 24 Sep 98 00:53:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102686; 24 Sep 98 0:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA07137 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:49:52 +0100 Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com (dub-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.206.135]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA07132 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:49:40 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.14) id TAA28887 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:51:02 -0400 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199809231951_MC2-5A7E-18D2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA07133 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB07137 `Eddie' tells us `Acorn is dead and long live Mac.' Anyone can talk about living long after being given a $US150 million blood-transfusion by BillG. If Acorn could do the Risc PC II on =A32.1 million, think what it could have done with that $US150 million. The latest Mac does not look anything like $US150 million worth. But, as Mark Twain famously pointed out, reports of death can be premature... --=20 Nobilangelo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobilangelo Ceramalus: Writer, journalist, desktop publisher,=20 graphics-designer, webmaster, image processor. +64 9 483-5428. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 17:11:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78613 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:11:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906645541:20:07370:19; Thu, 24 Sep 98 13:59:01 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007178; 24 Sep 98 13:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA08476 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:51:19 +0100 Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08470 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:51:03 +0100 Received: from koalasft.pnc.com.au (d27-nas1.Pen.pnc.com.au [203.57.114.27]) by halibut.pnc.com.au (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id W Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:11:48 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Jones Subject: Re: Acorn To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199809221652_MC2-5A45-2DC1@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, Eddie Lord wrote: > Acorn is dead Long live the Mac. > > > Eddie > At a recent conference on Computers in Education, it was mentioned that, because of schools in the US Updating to PC's (DOS/Win etc) that there is a rapid decline in Mac sales. This trend will translate into education in Australia. It was also stated that software developers were developing more - Relevant - software for the Acorn Risc OS platform, than for any other. So the question for today is: Dispite last weeks announcement, what's happening to Mac, Mac? Alan ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Product Manager | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** Windows: Just another pane in the glass. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 20:43:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78694 for opro ; Thu, 24 Sep 98 20:43:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906666046:10:08244:18; Thu, 24 Sep 98 19:40:46 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124641; 24 Sep 98 19:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA09065 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:37:40 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09060 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:37:28 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zMGIc-0004UR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:39:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:24:07 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Altering menus To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Forgive the lack of knowledge here... I have successfully doctored our school site licence of OPro to include all the tools I think we will need, in one toolbar across the top. How can I now grey out the Ovation pro menus, so that children cannot access options such as the applets? Is it possible? I know the !Junior application limits the choices available; however, staff will need to use some of the tools/menu options and I do not want to simplify it too much by installing the !junior version. If you can help at all- if anyone out there has successfully done this or knows how to, I would be very grateful indeed. Ta! Guess who is still coing to be using OPro years from now....? -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 01:40:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78725 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 01:39:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906679207:20:02135:33; Thu, 24 Sep 98 23:20:07 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001849; 24 Sep 98 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA09686 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:15:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA09681 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:15:42 +0100 Received: from userc062.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.95.28] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zMJi1-0005Nl-00; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:17:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro Support Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:59:14 +0100 Message-ID: <488abc34eerayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Altering menus In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Sep, P Hutton wrote: > Forgive the lack of knowledge here... I have successfully doctored our > school site licence of OPro to include all the tools I think we will > need, in one toolbar across the top. How can I now grey out the Ovation > pro menus, so that children cannot access options such as the applets? > Is it possible? I know the !Junior application limits the choices > available; however, staff will need to use some of the tools/menu > options and I do not want to simplify it too much by installing the > !junior version. > If you can help at all- if anyone out there has successfully done this or > knows how to, I would be very grateful indeed. I haven't done it, but the only way would be to doctor the Autorun.!Menus file inside Ovation. Comment out the menu entries that you don't want with a / at the front of the line and it shouldn't appear in the menu list. If you want them to reappear, have an undoctored !Menus to hand and click on it when i think it will take over. Not too sure about that though. As I daid, I've not tried it so BACKUP any file you alter. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 04:05:00 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78780 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 04:04:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906691557:10:02481:20; Fri, 25 Sep 98 02:45:57 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002466; 25 Sep 98 2:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA09963 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:36:23 +0100 Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09957 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:36:02 +0100 Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA04641 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:23:49 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA03735; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:15:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:09:11 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <488A07D81C%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48897af06amarteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 (11 Sep 1998) beta X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48897af06amarteng@intonet.co.uk> Marten Gallagher wrote: > OvPro has decided that Black.Oblique is the Italic face whn I click on the > Italic icon. > The actual Italic face is Oblique - which happens to be at the bottom of > the face picking list. > Anyone know how I tell OPro which one I really want associated with Italic? By putting it at the top of the list? It seems that OPro more-or-less searches from the top of the list looking for the first occurrences of 'bold', 'oblique',... Here are my Messages1 entries for GylesSans - Font_GylesSans:Gill-Sans Font_GylesSans.Black:Gill-Sans.-Black Font_GylesSans.Black.Cond.Oblq:Gill-Sans.-Black Condensed Oblique Font_GylesSans.Black.Condensed:Gill-Sans.-Black Condensed Font_GylesSans.Black.Ext.Oblq:Gill-Sans.-Black Extended Oblique Font_GylesSans.Black.Extended:Gill-Sans.-Black Extended Font_GylesSans.Black.Oblique:Gill-Sans.-Black Oblique Font_GylesSans.Bold:Gill-Sans. Bold Font_GylesSans.Bold.Cond.Oblq:Gill-Sans.-Bold Condensed Oblique Font_GylesSans.Bold.Condensed:Gill-Sans.-Bold Condensed Font_GylesSans.Bold.Extended:Gill-Sans.-Bold Extended Font_GylesSans.Bold.Extended.Oblique:Gill-Sans.-Bold Extended Oblique Font_GylesSans.Bold.Oblique:Gill-Sans. Bold Oblique Font_GylesSans.Condensed:Gill-Sans.-Condensed Font_GylesSans.Condensed.Oblique:Gill-Sans.-Condensed Oblique Font_GylesSans.Extended:Gill-Sans.-Extended Font_GylesSans.Extended.Oblique:Gill-Sans.-Extended Oblique Font_GylesSans.Oblique:Gill-Sans. Oblique Note that I actually have a hard space where there are hyphens in the above, but I'm worried that something may swallow top-bit-set characters in transit. Now they appear in OPro in the sequence Text -> Font -> Gill Sans -> (Regular) (N) Bold (B) Bold Oblique (BI) Oblique (I) Black Condensed ... It doesn't matter how you mangle the names in order to make them appear in your preferred sequence, because you'll find that if you save your text as a DDL file it contains FONT_975f={font "GylesSans.Bold.Oblique"} FONT_c215={font "GylesSans.Bold"} I've long believed that this is a bad idea because OPro won't be able to find the required font if I replace my cheap and cheerful GylesSans with a 'proper' GillSans. Comments, anybody? Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 13:45:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78783 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 13:44:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906695137:20:23622:18; Fri, 25 Sep 98 03:45:37 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128481; 25 Sep 98 3:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA10042 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:42:25 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA10037 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:42:10 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zMNie-0004Fu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:34:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 03:24:38 GMT Message-Id: <78767@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded from the old list addrress In message kraisee@argonet.co.uk (Mr. R. Tierney) wrote: > On Sat 19 Sep 98 (10:29:23 +0000), imagfact@starnet.com.au wrote: > > > > Now where's my Stan Boland voodoo doll? > > Now, there's a business proposition. I'd say this month somebody could > sell almost 30,000 of those. > > I'd even buy one. Why? Like it or not, this has the potential to be the best move ever made by Acorn - people have long lamented the lack of `true' performance and `sane design decisions'. If the workstations are taken over by a group with design goals more inline with what many of us would like, we're going to be far better off. -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 13:45:02 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78784 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 13:45:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906697543:20:12615:19; Fri, 25 Sep 98 04:25:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012478; 25 Sep 98 4:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA10125 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:04:29 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10115 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:03:57 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zMOCz-0005cM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:06:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 04:00:26 GMT Message-Id: <78778@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User Production X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I think the Risc Users Richard Hallas has done are a great example of what can be achieved with OPro and for that matter with Acorn kit. One can but hope someone notices... I should get 2.51 on the web site in the next few days. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 13:45:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78786 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 13:45:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906699033:20:24041:17; Fri, 25 Sep 98 04:50:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127839; 25 Sep 98 4:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA10122 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:04:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10106 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:03:52 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zMOCt-0005cM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:06:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 03:51:47 GMT Message-Id: <78774@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Machine Speed X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So my question is, given the same screen mode on both A7000+ and SA RPC, >which goes faster for Ovation? I guess the RPC because Ovation doesn't need >floating point to any degree? When I wrote OPro, aware of the lack of floating point hardware, I made an effort to avoid using floats. Some did creep in, but almost everything is done using integers with optimised code for the operations that occur frequently (like dividing by 400). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 13:45:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78787 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 13:45:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906699737:20:29672:16; Fri, 25 Sep 98 05:02:17 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103186; 25 Sep 98 5:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA10123 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:04:24 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10110 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:03:53 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zMOCy-0005cM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:06:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 03:56:45 GMT Message-Id: <78776@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Abreviations Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have several abbreviations set up to avoid repeated typing of often used >phrases. Most of them occur mid sentence and are therefore followed by a >space. The problem is the applet also produces a space so I end up with two. >Is there a way of avoiding this? Dim recollection that some asked about this, and I came up with a fix. At least for something similar with the abbreviation applet. Somewhere in the maillist archives... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 13:46:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78799 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 13:45:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906709316:20:18031:17; Fri, 25 Sep 98 07:41:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108305; 25 Sep 98 7:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA10692 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:45:32 +0100 Received: from mail.enterprise.net (mail.enterprise.net [194.72.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA10685 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:45:10 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp-368.telinco.net [212.1.131.69]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA12607 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:46:58 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:32:25 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: RE: Changing Hard Drives To: "'Ovation Pro List '" In-Reply-To: <9374F44ED31ED11198F300805F8574F54334C5@mailex1.isd.glam.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hey All, I have reposted the entire instructions in case someone else will need to use them in future - they work (I have just tried them). On Mon 21 Sep, frost a wrote: > > From: Sam Smith > > To: Ovation Pro List > > Sent: 19/09/98 23:16:43 > > Subject: Changing Hard Drives > > > > I have just installed my new hard drive (named Phoenix - > > seemed appropriate). OPro's copy protection has cut in and > > decided that it wont run [snip details of problem] > I had the same problem a few months ago when I installed a new > hard disc. I have just checked the following procedure out and > it seemed to work okay. You will need the master program discs > (there should be two)from the upgrade sent out last year. > > 1. Copy entire application from old hard disc to new > destination directory. > > 2. Run the install application from the upgrade program discs. > > 3. Select the 'install main application' parts 1,2 & 3 options. > > 4. Drag the Ovn Pro icon from the install window to the > destination directory. The application should now run ok. > > 5. If you have the upgrade to 2.49 from the Ovation Pro website > install it following the instructions provided. > > 6. Copy all of the OvPScrpt files from the !OvnPro.AutoRun > directory on the original installation to the same directory on > the new installation. 6.5 Copy applets directory across. > This should ensure that your preferences remain as they were. > Repeat for the !Words directory to ensure your dictionary > remains up to date. > > 7. Do not delete your old version until you are happy > everything is working as it should be !! > Hope this is of help. Yes. It was. Thank to all who responded (although for some reason, my email to the list got sent on Saturday evening and arrived at the list on Monday). Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 22: I'd love to go out with you, but it's my night to pet the dog/ferret/goldfish. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 13:47:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78829 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 13:47:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906709376:10:07457:17; Fri, 25 Sep 98 07:42:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100612; 25 Sep 98 7:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA10693 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:45:34 +0100 Received: from mail.enterprise.net (mail.enterprise.net [194.72.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA10682 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:45:07 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp-368.telinco.net [212.1.131.69]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA12593 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:46:52 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:36:08 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Control-F2 to close To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there a reason why OvPro does not support the "Control-F2 closes the current window" convention? (or at least my copy doesn't). Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 20: I'd love to go out with you, but I've got a Friends of the Lowly Rutabaga meeting. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 13:47:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78832 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 13:47:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906710855:10:18988:25; Fri, 25 Sep 98 08:07:35 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018689; 25 Sep 98 8:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA10747 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:56:05 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA10742 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:55:54 +0100 Received: by track.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:56:00 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:47:35 +0100 Message-ID: <488b028d29bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Acorn In-Reply-To: <78767@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Like it or not, this has the potential to be the best move ever made > by Acorn - people have long lamented the lack of `true' performance > and `sane design decisions'. If the workstations are taken over by a > group with design goals more inline with what many of us would like, > we're going to be far better off. I totally agree! :-) Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM A super computer is a machine that runs an endless loop in just 2 minutes. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 13:47:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78839 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 13:47:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906716337:10:07825:18; Fri, 25 Sep 98 09:38:57 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100093; 25 Sep 98 9:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA11093 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:33:48 +0100 Received: from wws1.ww.co.nz (root@ww.co.nz [203.98.51.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11088 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:33:34 +0100 Received: from zed.ww.co.nz (max35.ww.co.nz [202.27.199.35]) by wws1.ww.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8RH) with SMTP id UAA20091 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:33:44 +1200 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:31:42 +0000 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: A strange one ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am frequently getting Type 2 error message from OvPro when I use the Tab key to go to a tab stop. It only seems to happen when the cursor is to the left of a www address: eg. http://www.beebug.com and I wsnt to tab the address. Has anyone else had this occur, or is it that something has crept into my set up that would cause it? BTW I use a SRPC with 34 MB RAM and various six hard discs. David -- PO Box 21 525, Henderson 1231 Editor of ARMed, the newsletter of Acorn Waitakere City, New Zealand Users Auckland Inc. Proud owner of an Telephone: 64 09 838 9744 Acorn RiscPC running on a 200+ MHz email: zed@ww.co.nz StrongARM processor. British and best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 14:45:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78875 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 14:45:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906730612:10:20554:20; Fri, 25 Sep 98 13:36:52 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106231; 25 Sep 98 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA11647 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:27:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA11642 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:26:49 +0100 Received: from usern917.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.86.188] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zMWzo-00065x-00; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:29:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:44:57 +0100 Message-ID: <488b0d4be6rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Abreviations Applet In-Reply-To: <78776@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >I have several abbreviations set up to avoid repeated typing of often > >used phrases. Most of them occur mid sentence and are therefore > >followed by a space. The problem is the applet also produces a space so > >I end up with two. Is there a way of avoiding this? > Dim recollection that some asked about this, and I came up > with a fix. At least for something similar with the abbreviation applet. > Somewhere in the maillist archives... I'm not sure of the problem here. I have the Abbreviations applet !Abbrev 1.02 and I only get the space I put in after the abreviation. The applet doesn't insert one. I have /sw/Social Worker as an abbreviation. Typing sw(space) produces Social Worker(space) with no extra ones put in. Maybe you have an earlier version? Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 17:45:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78897 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 17:45:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906739603:20:18323:18; Fri, 25 Sep 98 16:06:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018125; 25 Sep 98 16:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA11994 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:00:08 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11989 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:59:53 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zMZNx-0004Aa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:02:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 15:55:37 GMT Message-Id: <78888@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Control-F2 to close X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro been discussed before. And unlikely to ever be fixed this side of someone selling lots of copies of OPro... However you might try. defmacro C_F2 {filescrap(currentfile())} (this will only work on later versions of OPro) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 22:20:28 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78932 for opro ; Fri, 25 Sep 98 22:20:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906758231:20:07929:16; Fri, 25 Sep 98 21:17:11 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118868; 25 Sep 98 21:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA12642 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:13:51 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12637 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:13:38 +0100 Received: from [158.152.118.28] (helo=hallas.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zMeHc-0004OD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:16:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:42:51 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User Production Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <78778@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <78778@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I think the Risc Users Richard Hallas has done are a great example > of what can be achieved with OPro and for that matter with Acorn > kit. Thank you very much, David. Praise indeed. > I should get 2.51 on the web site in the next few days. :-) -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 01:39:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78934 for opro ; Sat, 26 Sep 98 01:39:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906761345:20:06948:16; Fri, 25 Sep 98 22:09:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128471; 25 Sep 98 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA12716 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:02:37 +0100 Received: from atlantica.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12706 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:02:21 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (gatelu1-103.access.ch [195.112.70.132]) by atlantica.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.06pri) id XAA17135 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:04:46 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:00:07 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Abreviations Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, Alf Chamings wrote: > I must be doing something wrong here! > > I have several abbreviations set up to avoid repeated typing of often used > phrases. Most of them occur mid sentence and are therefore followed by a > space. The problem is the applet also produces a space so I end up with two. > Is there a way of avoiding this? May I suggest that you check your !Abbrev.abbrevs list for end-of-line spaces. That should cure your problem. JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 01:40:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78937 for opro ; Sat, 26 Sep 98 01:40:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906761160:10:22667:109; Fri, 25 Sep 98 22:06:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112426; 25 Sep 98 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA12718 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:02:50 +0100 Received: from atlantica.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12711 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:02:28 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (gatelu1-103.access.ch [195.112.70.132]) by atlantica.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.06pri) id XAA17281 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:04:54 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:58:38 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Abreviations Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Sep, Alf Chamings wrote: > I must be doing something wrong here! > > I have several abbreviations set up to avoid repeated typing of often used > phrases. Most of them occur mid sentence and are therefore followed by a > space. The problem is the applet also produces a space so I end up with two. > Is there a way of avoiding this? May I suggest that you check your !Abbrev.abbrevs list for end-of-line spaces. That should cure your problem JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 14:44:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78955 for opro ; Sat, 26 Sep 98 14:44:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906802333:10:14323:16; Sat, 26 Sep 98 09:32:13 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104839; 26 Sep 98 9:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA13533 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:31:42 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13528 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:31:30 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-102.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.102]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA08673 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:33:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:28:38 +0100 (BST) From: Alfred Chamings Subject: Re: Tabs Wishlist To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <76199@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 29 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >rulers > > Isn't all this a good place to use named styles, which just > apply a new tab ruler? > > > A useful adjunct to the hint you just gave about copying rulers from > another document is a little known OPro feature, if you have the caret in > some text, and then shift+adjust click over another paragraph in the same > document the paragraph attributes will be copied to the paragraph with the > caret. > > Good one to remember, that. You should add it to the auto hints list, or what ever it is called, which comes up at random when you load OvPro until you get bored and switch it off. Alf -- General remote signature - name, company name, address, WWW address? Work international number. Disclaimer? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 14:44:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78956 for opro ; Sat, 26 Sep 98 14:44:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906799689:20:24790:16; Sat, 26 Sep 98 08:48:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127706; 26 Sep 98 8:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA13444 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:38:51 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA13439 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:38:34 +0100 Received: from userm433.uk.uudial.com (193.149.78.229) [193.149.78.229] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zMoyZ-0003DI-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:41:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:23:23 +0100 Message-ID: <488b842bdadf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Abreviations Applet In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Tue 22 Sep, Alf Chamings wrote: > > I must be doing something wrong here! > > > > I have several abbreviations set up to avoid repeated typing of often > > used phrases. Most of them occur mid sentence and are therefore > > followed by a space. The problem is the applet also produces a space > > so I end up with > two. > > Is there a way of avoiding this? > May I suggest that you check your !Abbrev.abbrevs list for end-of-line > spaces. > That should cure your problem. > JMvV This is probably the correct solution, I had a couple of entries in my Abbrev's a while ago that kept giving extra spaces, when I eventually got around to re-editing the file I noticed the errant ones had a space(s) after the last letter, whereas the correct ones didn't, removing the space(s) so the carat was directly after the last letter of the last word sorted that out. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 14:44:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78958 for opro ; Sat, 26 Sep 98 14:44:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906802721:20:17329:16; Sat, 26 Sep 98 09:38:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100845; 26 Sep 98 9:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA13549 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:35:43 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13544 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:35:32 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-102.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.102]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09084 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:38:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:37:52 +0100 (BST) From: Alfred Chamings Subject: Re: Abreviations Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 25 Sep, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Tue 22 Sep, Alf Chamings wrote: > > I must be doing something wrong here! > > > > I have several abbreviations set up to avoid repeated typing of often > > used phrases. Most of them occur mid sentence and are therefore followed > > by a space. The problem is the applet also produces a space so I end up > > with two. Is there a way of avoiding this? > > May I suggest that you check your !Abbrev.abbrevs list for end-of-line > spaces. > > That should cure your problem > Thanks for all the suggestions. I have solved it now. I was simply not adding the'' to the end of the lines as instructed. With the on the end of each line, the spaces vanish. Alf -- General remote signature - name, company name, address, WWW address? Work international number. Disclaimer? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 14:44:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78961 for opro ; Sat, 26 Sep 98 14:44:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906812307:20:28470:16; Sat, 26 Sep 98 12:18:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028242; 26 Sep 98 12:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA13978 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:14:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA13970 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:14:19 +0100 Received: from userh418.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [194.69.102.45] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zMsLN-0005cB-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:16:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:16:05 +0100 Message-ID: <488b8e7d3crayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Abreviations Applet In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alfred Chamings wrote: > > May I suggest that you check your !Abbrev.abbrevs list for end-of-line > > spaces. > > > > That should cure your problem > > > Thanks for all the suggestions. I have solved it now. I was simply not > adding the'' to the end of the lines as instructed. With the on > the end of each line, the spaces vanish. Erm.. how did you have a series of lines without a line feed at the end of each? Or did you try to put several abbreviations on one line? The best thing to do is look at the example definitions in the abreviations file and copy their layout. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 14:45:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78964 for opro ; Sat, 26 Sep 98 14:45:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906810260:10:21441:16; Sat, 26 Sep 98 11:44:20 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121894; 26 Sep 98 11:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA13872 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:41:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA13867 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:41:00 +0100 Received: from userl943.uk.uudial.com (193.149.76.248) [193.149.76.248] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zMrp8-0005Fs-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:43:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rey Cobham) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:45:30 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Pictures as a backdrop Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know if its possible to place a sprite/image /behind/ the main text in OPro. I remember seeing this in Fireworkz. The image was automatically (I think) 'dulled' so that the text could be easily seen. Any suggestions/work-arounds welcome... TTFN Rey -- (~) ( ) (~) (~) (_) (_) (_) (~) (_) E-mail: foxy@argonet.co.uk ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 15:43:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA78982 for opro ; Sat, 26 Sep 98 15:43:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906819342:20:24821:16; Sat, 26 Sep 98 14:15:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107014; 26 Sep 98 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA14319 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:10:23 +0100 Received: from mars.cableol.net (mars.cableol.net [194.168.4.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA14313 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:10:06 +0100 Received: from portia-8.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AB17052; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:12:40 +0100 Message-Id: <360D5972.1F41@net.ntl.com> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:15:55 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pictures as a backdrop References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rey Cobham wrote: > > Does anyone know if its possible to place a sprite/image /behind/ the main text > in OPro. I remember seeing this in Fireworkz. The image was automatically (I > think) 'dulled' so that the text could be easily seen. > Any suggestions/work-arounds welcome... > > TTFN > > Rey > -- Just off the top of my head, add a frame to the master page with the graphic on it, use the picture../process'ing that came with the Colour Supplement to lighten it, put the frame to the back, and change the front frame (the master page original) to a transparent fill. I used to do this occasionally in Impression, but found that text in transparent frames was a tad slower - haven't tried it recently in OvPro though. Pete Bready -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 17:18:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79002 for opro ; Sat, 26 Sep 98 17:18:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906826287:20:20255:20; Sat, 26 Sep 98 16:11:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019972; 26 Sep 98 16:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA14518 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:17:55 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA14513 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:17:40 +0100 Received: from userm380.uk.uudial.com (193.149.78.176) [193.149.78.176] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zMw8w-0000XZ-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:20:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:20:57 +0100 Message-ID: <488baa66b8jmgray@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Footnotes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is it possible to put footnotes (not a footer) at the end of each page of an OvationPro document, other than 'by hand'? Jeremy -- Jeremy Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:50:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79035 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:50:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906846610:10:05864:17; Sat, 26 Sep 98 21:50:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129510; 26 Sep 98 21:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA15091 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:33:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA15081 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:33:14 +0100 Received: from userl090.uk.uudial.com (193.149.73.157) [193.149.73.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zN20Q-0005a5-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:35:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:21:50 +0100 Message-ID: <488bcb710bdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Pictures as a backdrop In-Reply-To: <360D5972.1F41@net.ntl.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <360D5972.1F41@net.ntl.com>, Pete Bready wrote: > Rey Cobham wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if its possible to place a sprite/image /behind/ the > > main > text > > in OPro. I remember seeing this in Fireworkz. The image was > > automatically > (I > > think) 'dulled' so that the text could be easily seen. > > Any suggestions/work-arounds welcome... > > > > TTFN > > > > Rey > > -- > Just off the top of my head, add a frame to the master page with the > graphic on it, use the picture../process'ing that came with the Colour > Supplement to lighten it, put the frame to the back, and change the > front frame (the master page original) to a transparent fill. > I used to do this occasionally in Impression, but found that text in > transparent frames was a tad slower - haven't tried it recently in OvPro > though. > Pete Bready Yes this works, more or less the same system I use to sort of watermark some documents in Ov Pro. Cheers Dave S Email me if you want details. D. -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.09j -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:50:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79040 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:50:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906856067:10:23640:16; Sun, 27 Sep 98 00:27:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119685; 27 Sep 98 0:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA15652 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 01:17:14 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA15647 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 01:17:02 +0100 Received: from [158.152.78.65] (helo=ypical.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zN4Yy-0007Q4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:19:44 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:05:54 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acorn Message-ID: <24f8d48b48%fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <78767@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <78767@pilling.demon.co.uk> david@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Forwarded from the old list addrress > > > In message > kraisee@argonet.co.uk (Mr. R. Tierney) wrote: > > > On Sat 19 Sep 98 (10:29:23 +0000), imagfact@starnet.com.au wrote: > > > > > > Now where's my Stan Boland voodoo doll? > > > > Now, there's a business proposition. I'd say this month somebody could > > sell almost 30,000 of those. > > > > I'd even buy one. > > Why? > Like it or not, this has the potential to be the best move ever made by > Acorn - people have long lamented the lack of `true' performance and > `sane design decisions'. If the workstations are taken over by a group > with design goals more inline with what many of us would like, we're > going to be far better off. > For those of us who weren't at the Friday meeting that's still a big 'if'. Changing the subject very slightly, is what I heard today right... that Beebug has closed the Acorn side of its business? If so, where does that leave OP (and Risc User)? -- Fred Mailto:fred@ypical.demon.co.uk PGP key available .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:51:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79054 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:51:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906931545:10:17928:17; Sun, 27 Sep 98 21:25:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113417; 27 Sep 98 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA17444 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:09:00 +0100 Received: from spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk (root@spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk [129.169.8.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17439 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:08:48 +0100 Received: from club.eng.cam.ac.uk (via 95ncp@club.eng.cam.ac.uk [129.169.16.2]) by spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA07625 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:11:35 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:11:35 +0100 (BST) From: Nigel Parker To: Ovation Pro Support Subject: Re: Beebug news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, P Hutton wrote: : I had cause to ring Beebug earlier on this week and they informed me that : their retail side is to close over the next weeks. I don't know what effect : there will be on Opro and RISC User. Uh oh... I hope that just means the shop, and not everything? I hope it's just a way of cutting overheads in these uncertain times, rather than deserting the sinking ship! Nigel -- Girton College, Cambridge, England, CB3 0JG. Tel: 0411 384803 http://welcome.to/nigels nigel.parker@iee.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:51:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79056 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:51:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906932751:10:25592:20; Sun, 27 Sep 98 21:45:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025575; 27 Sep 98 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA17525 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:33:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17520 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:33:28 +0100 Received: from userj362.uk.uudial.com (194.69.101.209) [194.69.101.209] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zNOUO-00057a-00; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:36:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rey Cobham) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:37:16 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Beebug news Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 27 Sep 98 (18:56:57 +0100), paul@krowdrah.demon.co.uk wrote: > FWIAW > > I had cause to ring Beebug earlier on this week and they informed me > that their retail side is to close over the next weeks. I don't know > what effect there will be on Opro and RISC User. > /Don't/ say I've just spent more money on something thats going to have no more development work done on it! I bought Imp Style just as CC were deciding pack up on the Acorn scene and have only recently bought OvPro and although I've not yet had time to spend looking at its more advanced features I have liked what I've seen. Maybe we could set up a scheme whereby we paid a small amount for upgrades, or an annual(?) payment to St. Pilling (or BEEBUG) in order to keep up development? This sort of thing has been suggested in some of the newsgroups recently, and I wouldn't be too averse to paying for worthwhile upgrades. BTW Cheers to those who helped with my 'Sprites as a backdrop' problem - much appreciated! TTFN Rey -- (~) ( ) (~) (~) (_) (_) (_) (~) (_) E-mail: foxy@argonet.co.uk ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:51:54 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79060 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:51:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906969829:10:16986:25; Mon, 28 Sep 98 08:03:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016723; 28 Sep 98 8:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA18377 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:47:21 +0100 Received: from axil.wave.co.nz (Axil.wave.co.nz [202.49.46.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA18372 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:47:04 +0100 Received: from asgard (a46.hn4.wave.co.nz [203.96.194.239]) by axil.wave.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA19968 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:47:03 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:52:53 +1200 Message-ID: <488bffb901kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Pictures as a backdrop Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 27 Sep, Pete Bready wrote: > Rey Cobham wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if its possible to place a sprite/image /behind/ the main text > > in OPro. > Just off the top of my head, add a frame to the master page with the > graphic on it, use the picture../process'ing that came with the Colour > Supplement to lighten it, put the frame to the back, and change the > front frame (the master page original) to a transparent fill. Just a practical warning! If you intend to do this sort of thing over a centrefold then you may find a very thin white (paper-coloured) line at the actual fold. I remember that David commented on this having something to do with bleeding into the fold - perhaps I should let him indicate the curretn state of the art! Keith -- City Desk Public PGP key available on request -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:52:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79069 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:52:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906982399:10:16787:17; Mon, 28 Sep 98 11:33:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016744; 28 Sep 98 11:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA18922 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:47:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA18917 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:46:58 +0100 Received: from nobody by golden.argonet.co.uk with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zNapb-00046b-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:47:03 +0100 From: Everymans Wine To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re: Beebug news X-Mailer: Argomail 1.01.24 by Roger Spooner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART-BOUNDARY-906979623-riws" Date: Mon Sep 28 11:47:03 1998 Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --PART-BOUNDARY-906979623-riws Content-Description: text Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Sun 27 Sep 98 (22:11:35 +0100), 95ncp@eng.cam.ac.uk > wrote: [SNIP] > I have read in Acorn User that they where going > to close the retail side to > concentrate on mail order, AFAIK. A contradiction me thinks! Peter. --PART-BOUNDARY-906979623-riws-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:52:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79071 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:52:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906996121:10:07468:20; Mon, 28 Sep 98 15:22:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122750; 28 Sep 98 15:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA19794 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:01:57 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19789 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:01:44 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.14.9]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA1631 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:56:38 +0100 Message-ID: <36101625.459E@net.ntl.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:05:09 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Footnotes References: <488baa66b8jmgray@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro J.M. Gray wrote: > > Is it possible to put footnotes (not a footer) at the end of each page of an OvationPro > document, other than 'by hand'? > > Jeremy > > -- > Jeremy Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society > jmgray@argonet.co.uk > BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message The !Endnotes applet on the Ovation Pro resources site does this I believe Pete Bready -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:56:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79080 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:56:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906846641:20:03798:19; Sat, 26 Sep 98 21:50:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103366; 26 Sep 98 21:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA15093 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:33:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA15085 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:33:19 +0100 Received: from userl090.uk.uudial.com (193.149.73.157) [193.149.73.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zN20V-0005a5-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:35:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:29:22 +0100 Message-ID: <488bcc218fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tabs Wishlist In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alfred Chamings wrote: > On Sat 29 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >rulers > > > > Isn't all this a good place to use named styles, which just apply a > > new tab ruler? > > > > > > A useful adjunct to the hint you just gave about copying rulers from > > another document is a little known OPro feature, if you have the caret > > in some text, and then shift+adjust click over another paragraph in > > the same document the paragraph attributes will be copied to the > > paragraph with the caret. > > > > > Alf I'm using v2.50 and the above suggestion does absolutely nothing in my documents. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.09j -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:57:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79083 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:57:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906850694:20:02471:16; Sat, 26 Sep 98 22:58:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118976; 26 Sep 98 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA15440 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:40:51 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA15435 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:40:40 +0100 Received: from usero754.uk.uudial.com (193.149.90.8) [193.149.90.8] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zN33g-0006na-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:43:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:41:45 +0100 Message-ID: <488acb15cdbob.williams@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Acorn In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 22 Sep, Adam Evans wrote: > On Tue 22 Sep, Steve Ellacott wrote: > > There are threads there on what we want in a new machine, how much we > > would pay und so weiter. Current idea is a mother > > your friendly dealer put in the PC box of your choice. [snip] > I'd like to stress that 'CJE' are not going to produce the RiscPC 2. What > we are doing, is getting involved in the organisation of details etc. > This is a good advantage for everyone, because of our experience in the > market. [snip] > Keep an eye out for a 'project' website soon, also keep an eye in > c.s.a.announce for big news. Noted :-) > Also please note that John Lee's ideas of supplying just a motherboard > are not very good. I thought that this could be a real prospect for onward sales to developers/dealers. A 'package could contain the motherboard including IOMD and VIDC20 plus CPU and OS4 ROMs > The RiscPC 2 needs a special case, The required case is a standard Intel NLX case, which although not common place isn't IMHO a special case. For those allergic to yellow a standard NLX front may go down well ;-) > then needs the data to be supplied on a harddrive, which leaves memory, > floppy drive, and cd-rom out. > Not much really! > It may be something for the future to supply to dealers for custom > machines. As dealers would have HD images etc. The basic hardrive data could be supplied on a CD a la the StrongArm upgrade. > It may be something for the future to supply to dealers for custom > machines. As dealers would have HD images etc. > To keep it simple it will be good to keep the system fully spec'ed. I see the advantage of this to the seller would be to keep his overheads down in a market where peripheral prices fluctuate wildly, and always DOWN. Even over a period of a couple of weeks, some peripheral prices can drop dramatically. This causes a problem of 'pre-speccing' the machines when volume is low It would also allow the end user/dealer to spec the machine how they'd like it. i.e. as a 'starship' or humble budget machine. Based on the price of the StrongArm upgrades I would anticipate that the CPU and OS4 to be in the region of UKp 200 - 250 ex vat. It would also enable us to see the real costs of the other Acorn derived bits:- motherboard, IOMD and VIDC20. Just my 2d worth for discussion :-)) Regards, Bob -- Bob Williams, Pensby, Wirral, UK ........ bob.williams@argonet.co.uk ** Laverda the sound that made Breganze famous ** Italia Connections - http://www.italia.co.uk/ Liverpool Acorn User Group (LAUG) - http://www.italia.co.uk/laug/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:57:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79086 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:57:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906877119:20:04231:17; Sun, 27 Sep 98 06:18:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004107; 27 Sep 98 6:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA15894 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 06:56:13 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA15889 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 06:56:01 +0100 Received: from [194.222.194.153] (helo=abacusline.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zN9r3-0004F0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 05:58:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 06:54:00 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Acorn Machines - Their Future To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <488acb15cdbob.williams@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ovation Pro News or Acorn News? Whilst I read with great interest about the future of Risc PC and other Acorn computers on this news group I think that it might be better to transfer such discussions to another 'site'. I suggest that you might try joining the 'site' for such material and keep this 'site' focussed on Ovation Pro. The 'site' operates in a similar way to this group - you need to send an email to the address above if you wish to get downloads. -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:57:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79087 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:57:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906878980:20:15048:16; Sun, 27 Sep 98 06:49:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014982; 27 Sep 98 6:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA16018 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:38:18 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA16013 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:38:07 +0100 Received: by track.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:38:38 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 01:03:37 +0100 Message-ID: <488bdfbefcbellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tabs Wishlist In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 29 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > A useful adjunct to the hint you just gave about copying rulers from > another document is a little known OPro feature, if you have the > caret in some text, and then shift+adjust click over another > paragraph in the same document the paragraph attributes will be > copied to the paragraph with the caret. Hey, cool, didn't know it! It's very useful for bullet lists or the like. But would it be very difficult to extend that feature so that it works from one document to another? Just a little thought. Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:57:26 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79094 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:57:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906890316:20:23164:16; Sun, 27 Sep 98 09:58:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112462; 27 Sep 98 9:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA16338 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:42:36 +0100 Received: from pop03.globecomm.net (pop03.globecomm.net [206.253.130.65]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16333 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:42:24 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp-137.telinco.com [195.188.107.137]) by pop03.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP i Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:34:58 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: Acorn Machines - Their Future To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 27 Sep, Ovation Pro wrote: > > Ovation Pro News or Acorn News? > > > Whilst I read with great interest about the future of Risc PC and other > Acorn computers on this news group I think that it might be better to > transfer such discussions to another 'site'. > > I suggest that you might try joining the > 'site' for such material and keep this 'site' focussed on Ovation Pro. > > The 'site' operates in a similar way to > this group - you need to send an email to the address above if you wish > to get downloads. HI Gerald and All, Firstly, Acorn-On-Line has not been announced in the Mag yet - so virtually no on knows of its existance (I do as I was one of the other early testers). It is an online mailing list which is designed as an extension to Archive magazine. You will not miss anything important by not subscribing to the list and the magazine will carry any important details. It is designed as a rapid response version of the magazine. But, you need to be a subscriber to the magazine to join. Just thought that would clear things up. If you have any questions, please feel free to mail them to mailto:archive-on-line@argonet.com or me . I don't have anything to do with the list running-wise, but I will answer queries if I can (and forward them to Keith who runs the list if I can't). Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 11: I'd love to go out with you, but I'm converting my calendar watch from Julian to Gregorian. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:57:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79103 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:57:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906921051:20:14771:19; Sun, 27 Sep 98 18:30:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106344; 27 Sep 98 18:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA17091 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:17:18 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17086 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:17:03 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNLQI-0004ht-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:19:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:56:57 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Beebug news To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: <24f8d48b48%fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro FWIAW I had cause to ring Beebug earlier on this week and they informed me that their retail side is to close over the next weeks. I don't know what effect there will be on Opro and RISC User. On Sat 26 Sep, Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <78767@pilling.demon.co.uk> > david@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > Forwarded from the old list addrress > > > > > > In message > > kraisee@argonet.co.uk (Mr. R. Tierney) wrote: > > > > > On Sat 19 Sep 98 (10:29:23 +0000), imagfact@starnet.com.au wrote: > > > > > > > > Now where's my Stan Boland voodoo doll? > > > > > > Now, there's a business proposition. I'd say this month somebody could > > > sell almost 30,000 of those. > > > > > > I'd even buy one. > > > > Why? > > Like it or not, this has the potential to be the best move ever made by > > Acorn - people have long lamented the lack of `true' performance and > > `sane design decisions'. If the workstations are taken over by a group > > with design goals more inline with what many of us would like, we're > > going to be far better off. > > > For those of us who weren't at the Friday meeting that's still a big 'if'. > > Changing the subject very slightly, is what I heard today right... that > Beebug has closed the Acorn side of its business? If so, where does that > leave OP (and Risc User)? > > -- > Fred > Mailto:fred@ypical.demon.co.uk > PGP key available > . > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:57:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79106 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:57:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906934903:20:19199:17; Sun, 27 Sep 98 22:21:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019161; 27 Sep 98 22:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17668 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:03:07 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA17661 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:02:52 +0100 Received: from userc242.uk.uudial.com (193.149.95.208) [193.149.95.208] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zNOwr-0005Xz-00; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:05:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. S. Ahmed) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 23:09:39 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Beebug news Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 27 Sep 98 (22:11:35 +0100), 95ncp@eng.cam.ac.uk wrote: > I hope that just means the shop, and not everything? I hope it's just > a > way of cutting overheads in these uncertain times, rather than > deserting > the sinking ship! I have read in Acorn User that they where going to close the retail side to concentrate on mail order, AFAIK. -- __ __ __ __ _______________________________________ |__ |__| |__| |__ | | | / Disclaimer: All my opinions / __|| | | | | | |_\| / Spam mail will be deleted instantly! / _______________________ \_/ ______ s.ahmed@argonet.co.uk ________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:58:05 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79111 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:58:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906977584:20:07722:18; Mon, 28 Sep 98 10:13:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102821; 28 Sep 98 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA18684 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:43:25 +0100 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA18679 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:43:08 +0100 Received: from brooke.u-net.com [194.119.133.249] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0zNZoN-0002WM-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:41:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:03:03 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Beebug news To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 27 Sep, Mr. S. Ahmed wrote: > On Sun 27 Sep 98 (22:11:35 +0100), 95ncp@eng.cam.ac.uk wrote: > > I hope that just means the shop, and not everything? I hope it's just > > a > > way of cutting overheads in these uncertain times, rather than > > deserting > > the sinking ship! > > I have read in Acorn User that they where going to close the retail side to > concentrate on mail order, AFAIK. > The issue of Risc User I received in May had a piece in the News saying that the shop was closing but callers would be seen if prior arrangements were made. "Risc User magazine continues as normal, and Beebug is wholly committed to the development of Ovation Pro and Sleuth 3..........." That was four months ago plus lead time on magazine production and we've heard promises in other areas too........ -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:58:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79119 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:58:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906988194:20:25256:27; Mon, 28 Sep 98 13:09:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025065; 28 Sep 98 13:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA19288 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:45:21 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19283 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:45:06 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-132.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.132]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16723 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:45:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:34:14 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Abreviations Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <488b8e7d3crayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 26 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , > Alfred Chamings wrote: > > > May I suggest that you check your !Abbrev.abbrevs list for end-of-line > > > spaces. > > > > > > That should cure your problem > > > > > Thanks for all the suggestions. I have solved it now. I was simply not > > adding the'' to the end of the lines as instructed. With the on > > the end of each line, the spaces vanish. > > Erm.. how did you have a series of lines without a line feed at the end of > each? Or did you try to put several abbreviations on one line? > > The best thing to do is look at the example definitions in the > abreviations file and copy their layout. > That is what I did - the root of my problem, in fact. The abbreviations are not all on one line: I just typed eg '/teh/the' then pressed Return, and put the next one on the next line, saved the file, reloaded, etc. That was what gave me the extra space. Then I tried typing '/teh/the' before pressing Return. That eliminated the extra space. I don't suppose Zap could have something to do with this? Perhaps I should try Edit and see what difference that made. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:58:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79121 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:58:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 906996986:20:04493:41; Mon, 28 Sep 98 15:36:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004215; 28 Sep 98 15:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA19885 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:16:06 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19879 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:15:54 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 0zNf1o-0007CK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:15:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:16:03 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Footnotes To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <36101625.459E@net.ntl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Sep, Pete Bready wrote: > J.M. Gray wrote: > > > > Is it possible to put footnotes (not a footer) at the end of each page of an Ovation > Pro > > document, other than 'by hand'? > > > > Jeremy > > > > -- > > Jeremy Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society > > jmgray@argonet.co.uk > > BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > The !Endnotes applet on the Ovation Pro resources site does this I > believe > It will give you end notes (at the end of each story) but cannot place them at the foot of each page. It will automatically manage the renumbering of notes when you insert or delete them, and does other bits of "housekeeping" associated with managing notes. I'm about to release a substantially enhanced version which allows one set of notes per story, rather than one per document (try doing that at the minute, and it will fall over!). I'm just testing it. The new version uses a slightly modified internal note format, but is backwards compatible with existing EndNoted documents. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 19:58:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79125 for opro ; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:58:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907005938:20:10962:24; Mon, 28 Sep 98 18:05:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010937; 28 Sep 98 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA20476 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:49:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA20471 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:49:09 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.88.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zNhQD-0002x6-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:49:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: OVATIONP-L Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:38:02 +0100 Message-ID: <488cb92122rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Abreviations Applet In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > The abbreviations are not all on one line: I just typed eg '/teh/the' > then pressed Return, and put the next one on the next line, saved the > file, reloaded, etc. That was what gave me the extra space. Then I tried > typing '/teh/the' before pressing Return. That eliminated the extra > space. > I don't suppose Zap could have something to do with this? Perhaps I > should try Edit and see what difference that made. I dunno Alf. I use Zap to alter my Abbrevs file and don't have any problems. I can't see how a space can get put on the end of a line before a return, unless there is something funny about your Text mode. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 02:03:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79181 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 02:03:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907009718:10:24772:18; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:08:38 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123966; 28 Sep 98 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20751 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:50:34 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20746 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:50:23 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNiNU-0006Fl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:50:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 98 23:40:55 GMT Message-Id: <79018@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A strange one ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am frequently getting Type 2 error message from OvPro when I use the >Tab key to go to a tab stop. Hmm. I have examined my sources. I can see this will happen if you have a tab leader character with zero width, and I've fixed that bug. This will require a 'funny' font and/or an odd character typing into the tab leader box. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 02:03:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79183 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 02:03:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907009732:10:24969:16; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:08:52 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024942; 28 Sep 98 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA20781 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:53:31 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20774 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:53:18 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNiQI-0006Fl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:53:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 16:29:19 GMT Message-Id: <79026@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Risc User Production X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I think the Risc Users Richard Hallas has done are a great example >> of what can be achieved with OPro and for that matter with Acorn >> kit. >Thank you very much, David. Praise indeed. And I'd not want to limit it just to OPro, for example Richard Lambleys "Land Mobile" magazine done with Impression is brilliant. However I usually make these remarks in the context of waving the publication about and saying "...look at this and they still can't sell the computers or software!". David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 02:03:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79185 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 02:03:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907022251:10:16526:16; Mon, 28 Sep 98 22:37:31 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014324; 28 Sep 98 22:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21099 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:48:07 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21082 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:47:21 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNkCS-0001ti-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:47:17 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:01:33 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Adding to menus To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Does anyone know how I can add another size (eg 50pt) as an option to the size menu? Simple and short! MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 02:03:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79189 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 02:03:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907021445:20:08523:23; Mon, 28 Sep 98 22:24:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114163; 28 Sep 98 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21096 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:47:55 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21084 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:47:27 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNkCW-0001ti-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:47:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:33:18 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Date Applet tweaking? To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Does anyone out there cleverer than I know how I could change the Date applet so that it printed tomorrow's date instead of today? -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 02:53:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79209 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 02:53:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907032328:10:03601:23; Tue, 29 Sep 98 01:25:28 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003598; 29 Sep 98 1:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA21561 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:04:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA21556 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:04:27 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNoDX-0004wd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:04:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 21:12:00 GMT Message-Id: <79127@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Beebug X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Changing the subject very slightly, is what I heard today right... that >Beebug has closed the Acorn side of its business? If so, where does that >leave OP (and Risc User)? My understanding from Beebug, is that they intend to pull out of all retail in the Acorn market, and concentrate on their (PC) networking business. Further that they intend to continue with Risc User and their Acorn software. I think most of the contributions on this point are talking about the downsizing early this year when Beebug closed their shop. We seem to be at a bifurcation point. If the RISC OS rescue bid succeeds, then the likelely sequence of events is very different to what will happen if it does not. I tend to think that if the rescue package fails, then the Acorn world will vanish quickly. In such a situation the interests of software developers and users are different. A user would like the software supporting until the last time they use it. But the software developer is not likely to want anything to do with that scenario. We can all spout Richard Dawkins 'Concorde fallacy' which seemingly humans fall for, and rats do not. The Ovation situation exists independent of the RISC OS one. This duality of Beebug and myself. Does the program exist without one or the other of us? Does support for the program continue when the indications from Beebug are that all sales ceased sometime ago? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 03:46:17 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79217 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 03:46:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907035046:10:22455:16; Tue, 29 Sep 98 02:10:46 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022199; 29 Sep 98 2:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA21697 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:54:41 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA21691 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:54:29 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNozw-0007NY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:54:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 98 02:21:06 GMT Message-Id: <79201@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded because the Majordomo kicked it into touch... ======================================================================== From: Ovation Pro On Sun 27 Sep, Sam Smith wrote: > But, you need to be a subscriber to the magazine to join. Not True! But you might like to see what's in the 'news' and, if you like what you see, then you might want to subscribe to the magazine. But there is no obligation to subscribe to the magazine if all you want to do is 'read the news'. To join send an email to In the Subject line simply put: SIGNON archive-on-line There is no need to put anything in the body of the mail. Should you wish to leave the list the message in the Subject line is: SIGNOFF archive-on-line. I find that there is a lot of 'good stuff' of a general nature in the 'news groups. mailings. I recommend it to you. And I recommend the Archive magazine! Both Sam and I write a monthly column for it! Let's leave this news group to concentrate on Ovation Pro and not the future of Beebug, Acorn, Bondar and others. GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton ======================================================================== ...and UCE 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 14:26:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79221 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 14:26:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907061263:20:27052:16; Tue, 29 Sep 98 09:27:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101380; 29 Sep 98 9:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA22378 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:09:42 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA22369 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:09:29 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 0zNvn0-00022f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:09:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:09:53 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Users & Developers To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Sep, Alf Chamings wrote: > David talks about his waving of magazines in frustration (look at > this, and they still can't sell computers and software). My IT department > still try to make me 'conform' and use Access when they accept that it simply > will not do what I can do in FireworkzPro - a simple but unbelievably labour > saving interrogation of a database by a spreadsheet. This produces a table of > counts: each of about 2000 cells has a count formula which refers to the > database. Sorry, that's my pet rant. It has allowed me to keep my RiscPC for > the last four years, against the gathering forces of darkness. > I've just been asked by the editor of a journal to whom I submitted a paper to supply a copy on disk [sic] in Word for Macintosh or RTF format. This, despite the fact that I can typeset classical Greek in OPro with EFF's fonts *much* better than Macs or PCs can, and OPro can typeset Mycenaean better than the editors of the standard Corpus can. And this is a journal specialising in Mycenaean Greek - you'd think they'd want the best tools available, wouldn't you? -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 14:26:31 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79222 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 14:26:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907053924:10:26989:19; Tue, 29 Sep 98 07:25:24 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100705; 29 Sep 98 7:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA21982 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:00:35 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA21977 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:00:21 +0100 Received: from [194.222.194.153] (helo=abacusline.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNtm0-0003zI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:00:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:59:23 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Users & Developers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <79127@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > I tend to think that if the rescue package fails, then the Acorn world > will vanish quickly. In such a situation the interests of software > developers and users are different. A user would like the software > supporting until the last time they use it. But the software developer > is not likely to want anything to do with that scenario. > The Ovation situation exists independent of the RISC OS one. This duality of > Beebug and myself. Does the program exist without one or the other of us? > Does support for the program continue when the indications from Beebug are > that all sales ceased sometime ago? I hope that David Pilling will be able to work something out with Beebug so that he continues to receive enough revenue from the users of Ovation Pro tio be able to support those users "until the last time they use it" - even if sales (by Beebug to new customers) drops to zero. -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 14:26:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79228 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 14:26:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907060495:10:29441:18; Tue, 29 Sep 98 09:14:55 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122432; 29 Sep 98 9:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA22235 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:37:43 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22230 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:37:32 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA25473 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:37:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:37:12 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Users & Developers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Sep, Ovation Pro wrote: > > > On Mon 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > I tend to think that if the rescue package fails, then the Acorn world > > will vanish quickly. In such a situation the interests of software > > developers and users are different. A user would like the software > > supporting until the last time they use it. But the software developer > > is not likely to want anything to do with that scenario. > > > The Ovation situation exists independent of the RISC OS one. This duality of > > Beebug and myself. Does the program exist without one or the other of us? > > Does support for the program continue when the indications from Beebug are > > that all sales ceased sometime ago? > > I hope that David Pilling will be able to work something out with Beebug > so that he continues to receive enough revenue from the users of Ovation Pro > tio be able to support those users "until the last time they use it" - even > if sales (by Beebug to new customers) drops to zero. > Sounds like they already have. He does have a disconcerting way of putting grim reality! Has anyone worked out what kind of annual charge would be necessary to keep going with support and updates? I know this has been discussed before, but maybe we should have at least thought about the options we may have before the plug is pulled. Even getting Phoebe into production isnt going to work magic for OvPro. Perhaps there are too many acorn users who are content with their unsupported, undeveloped, but still functional Impression, not to mention: Easywriter, Techwriter, Fireworkz, Pendown, etc. David talks about his waving of magazines in frustration (look at this, and they still can't sell computers and software). My IT department still try to make me 'conform' and use Access when they accept that it simply will not do what I can do in FireworkzPro - a simple but unbelievably labour saving interrogation of a database by a spreadsheet. This produces a table of counts: each of about 2000 cells has a count formula which refers to the database. Sorry, that's my pet rant. It has allowed me to keep my RiscPC for the last four years, against the gathering forces of darkness. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 14:29:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79233 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 14:29:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907067076:10:07324:19; Tue, 29 Sep 98 11:04:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124042; 29 Sep 98 11:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA22741 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:43:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA22736 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:43:14 +0100 Received: from (193.149.79.30) [193.149.79.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zNxFj-00004T-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:43:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R Pennicott) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 29 Sep 98 11:10:58 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Books Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Tim We produce an 80 page colour book on Risc pc using Ovation Pro. We use Micro Laser Designs in Bath for film and printing, you would need to talk to mike or andrew and they should be able to assist you. Regards Landbank Services. Robert Pennicott -- ___ _____ .---------------------------------. | | | | ___| |Britains most comprehensive land | | | |____ | |__ :sourcing system : | | | __ | |__ | ---------------------------------- | |____ ||__|| ___| | info@landbank.co.uk |______| |____| |____| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 18:11:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79255 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 18:11:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907088076:20:29629:19; Tue, 29 Sep 98 16:54:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029189; 29 Sep 98 16:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA23590 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:32:37 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23585 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:32:23 +0100 Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk (kerslake@aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.9.16]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16287 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:32:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:32:44 +0100 (BST) From: Mr J P Kerslake Message-Id: <199809291632.RAA16287@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No New messages Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hellow I have not receaved any new messages for a few weeks John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 18:54:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79274 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 18:53:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907088076:20:29629:19; Tue, 29 Sep 98 16:54:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029189; 29 Sep 98 16:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA23590 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:32:37 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23585 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:32:23 +0100 Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk (kerslake@aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.9.16]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16287 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:32:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:32:44 +0100 (BST) From: Mr J P Kerslake Message-Id: <199809291632.RAA16287@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No New messages Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hellow I have not receaved any new messages for a few weeks John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 22:42:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79289 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 22:42:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907099595:10:19108:17; Tue, 29 Sep 98 20:06:35 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017654; 29 Sep 98 20:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA23889 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:03:37 +0100 Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23882 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:03:05 +0100 Received: from niag.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:03:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:49:32 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Goulbourne Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <79127@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Mon 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > The Ovation situation exists independent of the RISC OS one. This duality of > Beebug and myself. Does the program exist without one or the other of us? > Does support for the program continue when the indications from Beebug are > that all sales ceased sometime ago? > IMVHO - if there are *no* new machines or a porting of RISC OS to another machine, then *all* software development for Acorn machines will cease. No one will write for no return - ie money. It would be nice for DP to continue upgrading OP, but without payment, he would be daft to do so. The basic problem is that the Phoebe did not have advanced enough specs - there was not the leap needed as we saw from Archimedes to RISC PC. On the specs given, I would not have bought it. I don't want to go to windows *but* for the same price, I can get a better and faster PC clone with all the latest advances eg DVD, USB etc etc etc. I don't want to use Word(7,8,9,200,201 etc) for my DTP - I want to use OP - it's better, faster etc Could OP be ported to the PC??? Should OP be ported to the PC??? BTW before anyone flames me - I have a BBC B, Archimedes 310, 410/1 and RPC 600 but no PC clones in the house. I fear that this will soon change and I will have to seriously think of shifting to the opposition Ian -- Ian Goulbourne |__| |__| |__| Tynemouth | |__| |__| | Acorn RiscPC StrongARM Northumberland | | "Life's a beach in Tynemouth" |______________| *Remove NO.SPAM to reply* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 23:09:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79307 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 23:09:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907106767:10:24524:41; Tue, 29 Sep 98 22:06:07 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024349; 29 Sep 98 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA24384 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:47:19 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24379 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:47:08 +0100 Received: from [158.152.78.65] (helo=ypical.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zO7cJ-0007Yc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:47:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:35:22 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Users & Developers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ovation Pro wrote: > > > On Mon 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > I tend to think that if the rescue package fails, then the Acorn world > > will vanish quickly. In such a situation the interests of software > > developers and users are different. A user would like the software > > supporting until the last time they use it. But the software developer > > is not likely to want anything to do with that scenario. > > > The Ovation situation exists independent of the RISC OS one. This > > duality of Beebug and myself. Does the program exist without one or > > the other of us? Does support for the program continue when the > > indications from Beebug are that all sales ceased sometime ago? > > I hope that David Pilling will be able to work something out with Beebug > so that he continues to receive enough revenue from the users of Ovation > Pro tio be able to support those users "until the last time they use it" > - even if sales (by Beebug to new customers) drops to zero. I don't think it would be reasonable to expect David to support users on this basis other than if he felt compelled to out of interest. It's been suggested before that upgrades should be chargeable. If this happened then presumably Beebug/David could consider this as sales and gracefully retire when this source of income became unviable. If Beebug could be persuaded to hand over rights to the software to David when it becomes unworthwhile for them to continue, he might find it worth developing a little longer still. All assuming the worst for the Acorn market, of course. -- Fred Mailto:fred@ypical.demon.co.uk PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 23:09:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79308 for opro ; Tue, 29 Sep 98 23:09:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907106246:20:12545:31; Tue, 29 Sep 98 21:57:26 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012476; 29 Sep 98 21:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA24196 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:59:34 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24188 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:58:28 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zO6qs-00075H-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:58:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:22:05 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Ticket numbering To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all I know this has been asked before.... I am using OPRO 2.50, and I have the Unique applet loaded too. How can I get opro to produce a numbered ticket run, with 4 tickets to a page ie, numbering 0001, 0002, 0003, 0004 on page 1, then 0005, 0006, 0007, 0008 on page two, with the ticket number appearing in a frame? MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 01:15:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79311 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 01:15:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907108165:10:06676:31; Tue, 29 Sep 98 22:29:25 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120166; 29 Sep 98 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA24506 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:10:06 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24496 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:09:40 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zO7y4-0001TU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:10:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 98 22:49:43 GMT Message-Id: <79297@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >That's not entirely true - take a large amount of `linux' software, for >example. It simply becomes a hobby, and thus isn't a priority any >longer. Yes you have to give credit to all the PD software. There's plenty for RISC OS which is vital. On the other hand, there is a place for commercial software. And commercial software can do things which PD software can't. As they're finding out with Linux, you can have the software for free, but you may have to pay for the support. PD software is software that people want to write, and often commercial software is what people don't want to write. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 01:15:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79313 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 01:15:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907108399:10:08844:18; Tue, 29 Sep 98 22:33:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123664; 29 Sep 98 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA24504 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:09:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24490 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:09:35 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zO7y1-0001TU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:09:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 98 22:47:17 GMT Message-Id: <79295@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Crossposted from the old maillist address (If you're reading this Julian, change your mailer set up!) ================================================================================ From: Ariancylch In message Ian Goulbourne wrote: > In on Mon 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > The Ovation situation exists independent of the RISC OS one. This > > duality of Beebug and myself. Does the program exist without one or > > the other of us? Does support for the program continue when the > > indications from Beebug are that all sales ceased sometime ago? > > > > IMVHO - if there are *no* new machines or a porting of RISC OS to > another machine, then *all* software development for Acorn machines > will cease. No one will write for no return - ie money. It would be > nice for DP to continue upgrading OP, but without payment, he would be > daft to do so. That's not entirely true - take a large amount of `linux' software, for example. It simply becomes a hobby, and thus isn't a priority any longer. > The basic problem is that the Phoebe did not have advanced enough > specs - there was not the leap needed as we saw from Archimedes to > RISC PC. On the specs given, I would not have bought it. I don't want > to go to windows *but* for the same price, I can get a better and > faster PC clone with all the latest advances eg DVD, USB etc etc > etc. Faster? Probably. Better? .advocacy territory. (We've a linux box at work with 128Mb RAM and a Cyrix P200+, which runs at 166MHz. Usually, it flies compared to the NT 4.0 which also has 128Mb RAM and an Intel Pentium Pro 180) I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk ================================================================================== David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 03:20:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79343 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 03:20:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907121778:20:12173:16; Wed, 30 Sep 98 02:16:18 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012166; 30 Sep 98 2:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA25048 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:53:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25040 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:52:49 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOBS6-0006ur-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:53:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 02:33:33 GMT Message-Id: <79323@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Upgrades X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There are two new upgrades on the Beebug web site - www.beebug.com OvationPro ---------- I've done the usual trick here of promoting 2.50 to the current release and making it visible to the world. Meanwhile 2.51 has appeared at the URL; http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade251/ 2.51 has a few small bug fixes and a couple of new features, it is no big deal, except it fixes the problem with Post Script printing and justification. Don't expect to see your favourite bug fixed. Hearsay ------- An upgrade to 2.21 is available from the URL; http://www.beebug.com/software/hearsay.html Although there are various minor bug fixes, the main event is better support for long file names. In fact both OPro 2.51 and Hearsay 2.21 have been tested on and fine tuned for RISC OS 4. The week before they scrapped the Phoebe, Acorn released an ARM600 softloadable version of RISC OS 4 for testing purposes. The only problem with OvationPro was an error in the templates. However it has been suggested that the copy protection on OvationPro would not be compatible with the new disc formats. I'm sorry to report I didn't feel like going through the rigmarole with ARM600's again and formatting my hard disc to find out. Whilst I'm talking about upgrades. I believe I've sorted the problem with David Pilling's scanning software not printing to CC Turbos. I think there are a couple of people who have been troubled with this in the past. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 03:20:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79344 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 03:20:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907121778:20:12176:16; Wed, 30 Sep 98 02:16:18 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111968; 30 Sep 98 2:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA25046 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:53:08 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25036 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:52:46 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOBS2-0006ur-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:53:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 02:32:01 GMT Message-Id: <79321@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ticket numbering X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I know this has been asked before.... I am using OPRO 2.50, and I have the >Unique applet loaded too. How can I get opro to produce a numbered ticket >run See the document on advanced mail merging in the file area on the Beebug web site www.beebug.com. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 14:26:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79349 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:26:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907124015:20:26304:34; Wed, 30 Sep 98 02:53:35 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026264; 30 Sep 98 2:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA25172 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 03:21:45 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA25160 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 03:21:24 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOBti-0000sE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:21:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 03:15:59 GMT Message-Id: <79339@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No New messages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hellow I have not receaved any new messages for a few weeks Perhaps of use to people in general to know that... Over the Summer, bits of .ac.uk hardware seemed to go on holiday. As a result we got a vast number of bounces. Now this is bearable for a few weeks, but eventually it becomes tedious and you get dropped from the list. So if the list vanishes, probably the best/easiest thing to do is to just resubscribe. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 14:26:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79352 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:26:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907144758:10:20344:20; Wed, 30 Sep 98 08:39:18 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020381; 30 Sep 98 8:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA25840 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:24:26 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25835 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:24:15 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-97.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.97]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA18127 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:24:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:25:19 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Sep, Ian Goulbourne wrote: > In on Mon 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > The Ovation situation exists independent of the RISC OS one. This duality > > of Beebug and myself. Does the program exist without one or the other of > > us? Does support for the program continue when the indications from > > Beebug are that all sales ceased sometime ago? > > > > > The basic problem is that the Phoebe did not have advanced enough specs > - there was not the leap needed as we saw from Archimedes to RISC PC. On > the specs given, I would not have bought it. I don't want to go to > windows *but* for the same price, I can get a better and faster PC clone > with all the latest advances eg DVD, USB etc etc etc. > What is it better for? What counts is the way the machine produces the results you want. Compare Word on the fastest PC you can find. If you like it, buy it. (There may be someone who has tried Word and prefers it to OvPro on RiscOS?) If not, why call the PC better or faster? Hyped tech specs don't force anyone to buy a computer, it's just that most people think they do. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 14:26:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79353 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:26:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907140764:20:17248:16; Wed, 30 Sep 98 07:32:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120664; 30 Sep 98 7:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA25525 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:14:31 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25520 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:14:17 +0100 Received: from [158.152.132.188] (helo=dewarqcs.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOGTE-000447-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:14:45 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by dewarqcs.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:13:32 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:13:14 +0100 From: Gavin Dewar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Users & Developers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Quercus Computer Systems X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message > Ovation Pro wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > I tend to think that if the rescue package fails, then the Acorn world > > > will vanish quickly. In such a situation the interests of software > > > developers and users are different. A user would like the software > > > supporting until the last time they use it. But the software developer > > > is not likely to want anything to do with that scenario. > > > > > The Ovation situation exists independent of the RISC OS one. This > > > duality of Beebug and myself. Does the program exist without one or > > > the other of us? Does support for the program continue when the > > > indications from Beebug are that all sales ceased sometime ago? Could this be because their advert is VERY POOR at promoting OP. You only realise the whole thing has been prepared in OP if you read the small boring plain text box. There is nothing to catch the eye of a potential new user of OP or indicate the power of the package. > > > > I hope that David Pilling will be able to work something out with Beebug > > so that he continues to receive enough revenue from the users of Ovation > > Pro tio be able to support those users "until the last time they use it" > > - even if sales (by Beebug to new customers) drops to zero. > If Beebug could be persuaded to hand over rights to the software to > David when it becomes unworthwhile for them to continue, he might find > it worth developing a little longer still. Count me in for chargable upgrades > > All assuming the worst for the Acorn market, of course. > -- Gavin Dewar | Quercus Computer Systems | Design & supply of Long Preston, North Yorkshire, BD23 4NS | Process Control Systems tel 01729 840729 fax 01729 840728 | -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 14:26:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79354 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:26:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907144761:10:20392:28; Wed, 30 Sep 98 08:39:21 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112159; 30 Sep 98 8:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA25769 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:13:00 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25763 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:12:49 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-97.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.97]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA14370 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:13:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:45:56 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Ticket numbering To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 28 Sep, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > I know this has been asked before.... I am using OPRO 2.50, and I have the > Unique applet loaded too. How can I get opro to produce a numbered ticket > run, with 4 tickets to a page ie, numbering 0001, 0002, 0003, 0004 on page > 1, then 0005, 0006, 0007, 0008 on page two, with the ticket number > appearing in a frame > I have never looked for the equivalent in OvPro but in Impression i think you could have done this with zeros before 'insert page number' in a frame at the foot of the master page, and then print using 'fit lots' (scale = <50%. It is different in OvPro but I seem to remember there is a way to fit 4 pages on a sheet, thus giving you the basis of a solution. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 14:26:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79355 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:26:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907142754:20:03704:30; Wed, 30 Sep 98 08:05:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003993; 30 Sep 98 8:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA25641 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:50:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA25635 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:49:59 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.92.166] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOH1l-0001gO-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:50:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:20:56 +0100 Message-ID: <488d6758aarayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Ian Goulbourne wrote: [snipped a bit] > The basic problem is that the Phoebe did not have advanced enough specs > - there was not the leap needed as we saw from Archimedes to RISC PC. On > the specs given, I would not have bought it. I don't want to go to > windows *but* for the same price, I can get a better and faster PC clone > with all the latest advances eg DVD, USB etc etc etc. I have to agree about Phoebe to a certain extent, but my problem recently has been the lack of up to date software on the RISC OS platform *in some areas*. This is especially so where OCR is concerned - I have a PC running TextBridge and OmniPage as Sleuth is just not capable of the giving results and facilities of Sleuth 3. > I don't want to use Word(7,8,9,200,201 etc) for my DTP - I want to use > OP - it's better, faster etc I use Ovation Pro whenever I can as I find it much easier and more intuitive than anything on the PC platform. Unfortunately, some clients expect files to be returned in Word format and OP can't yet do it. In those cases, I use WordPerfect 8, which is quite a reasonable WP app - much better than Word - and convert the output to the relevant format. If I had either RTF or Word output from OP, then I wouldn't need to do that at all and could use OP all the time. > Could OP be ported to the PC??? > Should OP be ported to the PC??? Only if David (or Beebug if they are still in the game) is confident that it would sell in enough numbers on the PC platform. Unfortunately it will have to compete with established players in a crowded WP/DTP market. There are a lot of people using Acorn computers, which are not going to suddenly stop working. I don't know how many have swapped from Impression to Ovation Pro, but there must be a lot more who would do so if they were confident that they were investing in a product which is being continually developed. I can't see why sales of OP have dried up, unless it's the lack of exposure in a minimal press. >From my point of view, I like Ovation Pro and will continue to use it on my Risc PC whenever I can. I'm not going to change my computer or software that I am happy using and is productive. I also use the RPC for colour scanning and graphics - particularly now that more up to date TWAIN drivers are available from DP. On the other hand, I accept that I have to use a PC for other applications. There is good software on the PC platform and I think we have to use whichever is more appropriate to the job in hand. Most of my work is done on the Risc PC, but I would be hard pressed to survive in my business without using a PC as well. One area that is giving me quite a bit of concern is the way that printing is falling way behind on the RISC OS side. The promised new Printers application never materialised and probably never will now. It is becoming more and more difficult to find the output from Acorn printer drivers acceptable compared to the results of the PC drivers supplied with various printers. This is the one area which may eventually make me switch away from working on the Risc PC. There's not a lot of point using an excellent DTP package on the Acorn if I can't get an acceptable output from it. That time hasn't arrived yet, but I don't think it is too far away. > BTW before anyone flames me - I have a BBC B, Archimedes 310, 410/1 and > RPC 600 but no PC clones in the house. I fear that this will soon change > and I will have to seriously think of shifting to the opposition I think it's horses for courses. There is no reason to get rid of an Acorn machine and software that works well just for the sake of it. On the other hand, I think that some people like myself who earning their living from their computers have to use a PC as well. I gave up on the PC card a long time ago and have my Risc PC and PC networked together. It's cheap enough to do and gives me the best of both worlds. I can do most of my work on the Risc PC and save to and from the PC directories and applications. I think the above boils down to 'please can we have more swappability between Ovation Pro and the PC applications that we need to work with'. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 14:31:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79367 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:31:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907147685:10:22951:31; Wed, 30 Sep 98 09:28:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022856; 30 Sep 98 9:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA26094 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:05:35 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA26088 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:05:20 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem866.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.98]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08335 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:05:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:04:39 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA26089 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB26094 > What is it better for? What counts is the way the machine produces the > results you want. Compare Word on the fastest PC you can find. If you l= ike > it, buy it. (There may be someone who has tried Word and prefers it to = OvPro > on RiscOS?) If not, why call the PC better or faster? Hyped tech specs = don't > force anyone to buy a computer, it's just that most people think they d= o. >=20 > Alf Hear! hear!! I couldn't agree more. We sell PC's and as I said in a newsgroup: 'Bill G= ates helps us finance the RISC activities.. Anway: try to 'alt-drag' a frame into another window in a Words document.= .... try to alter the colourbalance of a picture in Words try to alter the Postscrip screenresolution in W...s try to really drag and drop any file into W...s and i could go on for ages.... One of my postings in the newsgroup was: A Day In The Life The 'not' multitasking of Acorn gives me the impression that I'm working with one large integrated package (isn't that what we all want) because -and these are the programs I use daily- Ovation, Draw, Artworks, Pipedream, Eureka, ANT Internet Suite, UnHTML, Organizer, David Pilling's scanning software, ImageFS, Impression, Sleuth3, PhotoDesk, Paint and FontFx can be used simultaneously at the same time. They all understand eachother's data, I don't have to give files an 'extension' -even when I export to the Other World- and nearly all the function keys have actually the same function. Oops, I forgot to install my RTF loader. I only change the filetype to text and edit some 'Words' garbage out and it's usable text (I've noticed many PC customers coming back to us because they couldn't convert old WP and Wordfiles on their new WindozeBox, how compatible can ya be?). Oh yest, at the same time (the only reason I have a PC-card installed) I do my Telebanking. I comfort myself with the fact that Dutch Telecom -now selling the I-Mate- refused to port the banking software to the Mac also. But a clever Dutch guy made a program named Foongrep; that makes it possible to directly read the national phondirectory directly from the CD. They also made it possible to read these awkward PDF documents....which I can save in Draw format now! My experience is that first time users have to be made aware of that. After they've got the hang of it, I have=20 another non paid salesman/-woman on my list... I agree that some software is a bit sophisticated; I lost a sale of =A3 3000,00 because I couldn't match the functionality of the software supplied with the Nikon Coolscan. If Acorn would have been better marketed Nikon could have considered porting their (Twain)driven software for RISC OS. I remember though that Acorn once wanted to have Informix ported on the R140/260. They asked =A3 30.000!!! And maybe Acorn would have done that if tertiary education would have appreciated the cheapest multi os computer (than) in the world... Anyway (1), It is still not possible to give pictures an individual Postscript printresolution with QuarkXpress -yes, you can after going throug the hassle of doing that with Photoshop-. You cannot change the colourmap or the Postscript screen in QX (which is far too expensive for it's functionality and you have to decide when an upgrade appears within a week to buy that otherwise you pay the full price!!!). You can't -because there is no right mousebutton- click on selected text and fit that in a frame, using 0,001 pica or point and see 'on line' what the effect is. How many recalls of a pull down menu would that have taken -if at all possible-. Anyway(2) It is nice to see Sleuth3 working in the background while at the same time !Trace vectorizes a bitmap logo. My printed files are on the HD so they don't slow down my work either (they are actually sent to my neighbour, a copyshop; we drilled a hole to be able to use a=20 network card to send our files directly to their full colourmachines (Macs). If a carpenter wants to drive a nail in the wood, he uses a hammer and not a screwdriver. With a PC I feel that I'm doing the latter. If RISC PC's wouldn't exist I'd probably use a Mac or Sun.... Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Tel. +31(0)70 319 4343 Fax: +31(0)70 319 4963 VATNo: NL009507590B01=20 Acorn E-mail : ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail : avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail : info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage : http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From cihowe@algw1.lucent.com Wed Sep 30 14:32:00 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79370 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:31:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907150210:10:21481:4; Wed, 30 Sep 98 10:10:10 GMT Received: from algw1.lucent.com ([205.147.213.1]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123549; 30 Sep 98 10:09 GMT Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com by alig1.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id GAA28657; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:31:45 -0400 Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:09:39 +0100 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4379F80@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'opro@pilling.demon.co.uk'" Subject: FW: Beebug Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:09:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain David, perhaps another way of looking at this is, will the user base tend towards a well-equipped & resourced one (such as might be the case if Phoebe is rescued) or towards the 'retro' scene - to exaggerate - 'Risc OS2 is good enough for me!' The latter will die off; I see the Amiga mag is on the newsstands for the last issue... PS what did you mena by 'the indications from Beebug are that all sales ceased sometime ago?' Christopher I Howe at Bell labs, Malmesbury UK (real-time telecoms software, in the Swindon/Chippenham area) > ---------- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 28 September 1998 22:12 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Beebug > > > > >Changing the subject very slightly, is what I heard today right... that > >Beebug has closed the Acorn side of its business? If so, where does that > >leave OP (and Risc User)? > > My understanding from Beebug, is that they intend to pull out > of all retail in the Acorn market, and concentrate on their (PC) > networking > business. > > Further that they intend to continue with Risc User and their Acorn > software. > > I think most of the contributions on this point are talking about the > downsizing early this year when Beebug closed their shop. > > We seem to be at a bifurcation point. If the RISC OS rescue bid succeeds, > then the likelely sequence of events is very different to what will happen > if it does not. > > I tend to think that if the rescue package fails, then the Acorn world > will vanish quickly. In such a situation the interests of software > developers and users are different. A user would like the software > supporting until the last time they use it. But the software developer > is not likely to want anything to do with that scenario. > > We can all spout Richard Dawkins 'Concorde fallacy' which seemingly humans > fall for, and rats do not. > > The Ovation situation exists independent of the RISC OS one. This duality > of > Beebug and myself. Does the program exist without one or the other of us? > Does support for the program continue when the indications from Beebug are > that all sales ceased sometime ago? > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 14:32:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79371 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:32:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907151900:10:09586:16; Wed, 30 Sep 98 10:38:20 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121298; 30 Sep 98 10:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA26513 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:20:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA26506 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:20:12 +0100 Received: from (193.149.87.196) [193.149.87.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOJNB-0003fV-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:20:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 (09:44:50 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 30 Sep 98 (00:20:56 +0100), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: > One area that is giving me quite a bit of concern is the way that > printing is falling way behind on the RISC OS side. The promised new > Printers application never materialised and probably never will now. It > is becoming more and more difficult to find the output from Acorn > printer drivers acceptable compared to the results of the PC drivers > supplied with various printers. You will find me in some agreement here, but on the positive side, may I thoroughly recommend the PhotoReal printer drivers from Spacetech, which I am now using with the Epson stylus PhotoEX. Very good output indeed. As to the Printer manager application, I strongly suspect that a new one will find its way to market, with or without Phoebe/Phoenix. Dave D -- __ _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| Real address as above Certified No42 in the Phoebe queue -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 19:54:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79404 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:54:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907168058:20:05259:20; Wed, 30 Sep 98 15:07:38 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004847; 30 Sep 98 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA27128 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:37:46 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27123 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:37:31 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zONOD-0002Ll-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:38:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 15:29:25 GMT Message-Id: <79378@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro From: Ray Dawson >Only if David (or Beebug if they are still in the game) is confident that >it would sell in enough numbers on the PC platform. Unfortunately it will >have to compete with established players in a crowded WP/DTP market. >suddenly stop working. I don't know how many have swapped from Impression >to Ovation Pro, but there must be a lot more who would do so if they were It's kind of a gearing thing. Yes if I do an Impression loader we'll sell more copies. But my bet is that the number of copies won't cover the amount of time expended. I do accept that OPro is not perfect, lots more could be done, and there could be many improvements. The argument has to be that given how good it is the response has not been big enough. The number of Impression users of OPro has been a surprise. Beebugs idea was that if 50% of the old Ovation users upgraded they'd be OK. In fact sales were much more skewed towards Impression users. The biggest mistakes were, not having an Impression loader, and not just setting out to clone Impression. >One area that is giving me quite a bit of concern is the way that printing >is falling way behind on the RISC OS side. The promised new Printers >application never materialised and probably never will now. As developers we were told there would be major changes to Printers. Now a few weeks ago, someone showed me a dud PostScript file they'd produced using OPro. Some unhapiness about this. At the end of the day we pinned it down to a problem in the level 2 PS printer driver - you can use just Draw and a sprite to produce the effect. So anyway came the softloadable RISC OS 4, and I tried the example again. Same result. Asking Acorn about printers produced the response that, yes they had been thinking about a total rewrite but it was decided to be beyond their resources and had not been done. Meanwhile I think the problem with level 2 PS is a bit of a tester for Mr. Bolands new regime. Andr van den Berg >... the software supplied with the Nikon >Coolscan. If Acorn would have been better marketed >Nikon could have considered porting their (Twain)driven >software for RISC OS. Ouch. There is now a much improved driver for the Nikon Coolscan 2. And funnily enough I've just signed up with Nikon to do a Coolscan 3 driver. But if anyone is going to play the "the PC drivers are a lot better" card, consider that the sales of drivers for things like the Canon 2700F film scanner are in single figures. The C2 was a 'big' success, sales of maybe 20 drivers. From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" >perhaps another way of looking at this is, will the user base tend towards a >well-equipped & resourced one (such as might be the case if Phoebe is >rescued) or towards the 'retro' scene Exactly. People like old cars. Some cf the emu scene like old computers. >PS what did you mena by 'the indications from Beebug are that all sales >ceased sometime ago?' I was being both sarcastic and cryptic. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 19:54:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79410 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:54:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907177121:20:13907:19; Wed, 30 Sep 98 17:38:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013881; 30 Sep 98 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27485 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:21:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA27480 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:21:25 +0100 Received: from (193.149.78.134) [193.149.78.134] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOPwr-0001tS-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:21:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Bernard Veasey) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 (18:17:33 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ad Subject: Ovation Pro 2.51 - Toggle Snap State Toolbar icon Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ovation Pro - TOGGLE SNAP STATE ------------------------------- Thanks to David Pilling giving us two new functions in Ovation Pro 2.51 we can now have a 'Toggle Snap State' icon on the Ovation Pro button bar. This replicates the arduous task of having to previously open the main Ovation Pro menu and doing a: Misc > Preferences > View > Snap to ruler guidelines > Snap to objects > OK A zip file containing the instructions on how to do this together with a suitable icon sprite can be downloaded from: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey/soft.html and following 'Snap State' - or directly from: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey/zip/snapstate.zip Hope it helps. -- From: Bernard Using: a StrongARM powered Acorn RISC OS Computer Email: bernard.veasey@argonet.co.uk Web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey - Acorn Software etc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From julian@southern.co.nz Wed Sep 30 19:54:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79411 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:54:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907177535:20:18399:2; Wed, 30 Sep 98 17:45:35 GMT Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz ([202.37.101.18]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018374; 30 Sep 98 17:45 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (pppd010.netaccess.co.nz [202.27.186.10]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA13629 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:45:05 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost at Wed,30 Sep 1998.18:35:13 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:34:31 +1200 From: Ariancylch To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Message-ID: <89a8f8d48.julian@illusio.milieu.org.nz> References: <79295@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <79295@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.71a (Newsbase) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <79295@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Crossposted from the old maillist address > > (If you're reading this Julian, change your mailer set up!) Sorry! I upgraded Newsbase and Messenger and lost all the settings - the backup had the old address :( Fixed now. -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 19:54:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79413 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:54:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907180916:20:22418:17; Wed, 30 Sep 98 18:41:56 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021959; 30 Sep 98 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27664 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:56:30 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA27652 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:55:57 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.48) [193.149.80.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOQUA-0002g9-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:56:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Torrens) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:25:52 +0100 X-Organization: qd, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 30 Sep 98 (11:04:39 +0100), ecdbv@xs4all.nl wrote: > > > Hear! hear!! > > I couldn't agree more. We sell PC's and as I said in a newsgroup: 'Bill > Gates helps us finance the RISC activities.. > > Anway: try to etc... Long, off-topic posting snipped.. I'm not complaining - but this is not the place for such talk, though I'm sure it (rightly) gives DP a boost of confidence - you are preaching to the converted. What you should do is to write up a decent comparison of OPro vs Word and post it to your www site. Link up to others with similar comparisons and articles. Cross-platform comparisons are the most difficult to find and the most needed! Link also to our http://www.4qd.co.uk/acorn/index.html Acorn/Wintel site, and to Paul Vigay's anti-wintel site. Let us ALL build a web-ring to tell the world about Acorn and Acorn software. Let us convert more users! If you already have such an article on site, then I'm going to take a look at your site, but link to ours! If not - why not! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use an Acorn RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 22:00:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79437 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 22:00:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907186299:10:05240:16; Wed, 30 Sep 98 20:11:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005220; 30 Sep 98 20:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA28059 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:56:35 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA28054 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:56:19 +0100 Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOSMo-0006m8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:56:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:33:13 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Upgrades To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <79323@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 30 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > There are two new upgrades on the Beebug web site - www.beebug.com > > > OvationPro > ---------- > I've done the usual trick here of promoting 2.50 to the current release > and making it visible to the world. Meanwhile 2.51 has appeared at the URL; > > http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade251/ > > 2.51 has a few small bug fixes and a couple of new features, it is no big deal, > except it fixes the problem with Post Script printing and justification. > Don't expect to see your favourite bug fixed. [snip] Thank you David. Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ __________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 22:01:32 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79440 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 22:01:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907183371:20:14976:16; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:22:51 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100358; 30 Sep 98 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA27811 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:06:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA27806 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:06:41 +0100 Received: from (193.149.91.34) [193.149.91.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zORal-0004Ll-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:07:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 (18:32:52 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Users & Developers Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 30 Sep 98 (08:13:14 +0100), gavin@dewarqcs.demon.co.uk wrote: >Count me in for chargable upgrades Me too! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 22:02:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79443 for opro ; Wed, 30 Sep 98 22:02:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907189300:20:07793:19; Wed, 30 Sep 98 21:01:40 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103670; 30 Sep 98 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA28198 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:46:10 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28193 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:45:55 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOT8l-0002Yl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:46:27 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:01:06 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:00:58 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Message-ID: <7761d38d48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Mon 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > The Ovation situation exists independent of the RISC OS one. This duality of > > Beebug and myself. Does the program exist without one or the other of us? > > Does support for the program continue when the indications from Beebug are > > that all sales ceased sometime ago? > > > > IMVHO - if there are *no* new machines or a porting of RISC OS to > another machine, then *all* software development for Acorn machines will > cease. No one will write for no return - ie money. It would be nice for > DP to continue upgrading OP, but without payment, he would be daft to do > so. > > The basic problem is that the Phoebe did not have advanced enough specs > - there was not the leap needed as we saw from Archimedes to RISC PC. On > the specs given, I would not have bought it. I don't want to go to > windows *but* for the same price, I can get a better and faster PC clone > with all the latest advances eg DVD, USB etc etc etc. > > I don't want to use Word(7,8,9,200,201 etc) for my DTP - I want to use > OP - it's better, faster etc > > Could OP be ported to the PC??? > Should OP be ported to the PC??? > > BTW before anyone flames me - I have a BBC B, Archimedes 310, 410/1 and > RPC 600 but no PC clones in the house. I fear that this will soon change > and I will have to seriously think of shifting to the opposition Have you used the 'opposition'? You see part of what makes OP great is Risc OS. Port OP to the PC and it just won't be as good. But if everything does go down the pan then I guess I'd like to be using OP on the PC. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 01:48:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79468 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 01:48:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907195390:20:02243:17; Wed, 30 Sep 98 22:43:10 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103370; 30 Sep 98 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA28412 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:23:42 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA28407 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:23:28 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.88.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOUfE-0000I8-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:24:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:22:23 +0100 Message-ID: <488de05424rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Upgrades In-Reply-To: <79323@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <79323@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > 2.51 has a few small bug fixes and a couple of new features, it is no big > deal, > except it fixes the problem with Post Script printing and justification. > Don't expect to see your favourite bug fixed. David, there seems to be a problem with the col upgrade to 1.04. I've downloaded it twice, but it gives me a faulty header error when I click on the archive. The 246 (2.52) archive is fine. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 01:48:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79469 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 01:48:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907197641:20:21936:20; Wed, 30 Sep 98 23:20:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128246; 30 Sep 98 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA28567 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:06:56 +0100 Received: from serv1.is2.u-net.net (serv1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.130.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA28562 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:06:42 +0100 Received: from catchline.u-net.com [195.102.195.71] by serv1.is2.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0zOV2n-0000n1-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:48:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:09:04 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Beebug - "porting of OP" Message-ID: <5118ea8d48%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <79378@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <79378@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Meanwhile I think the problem with level 2 PS is a bit of a tester for Mr. > Bolands new regime. > > I'm sure I am not the only one that has had to abandon the use of level 2 drivers altogether. > > >PS what did you mena by 'the indications from Beebug are that all sales > >ceased sometime ago?' > > I was being both sarcastic and cryptic. > Hmm sounds like an author complaining their publisher is not divvying up the royalties.... Like many others I am, of course, having to consider carefully our company policy regarding dependence on Acorn equipment and software. It is likely we will continue - and indeed we are still buying both hardware and software. But it is likely that we will start a slow migration, first to a mixed platform network and then .... where? By the way, some on this list may be cheered know that the first consultation report of the Nuffield languages Inquiry (chaired by Trevor Macdonald) was published last week and will be receiving national media coverage (indeed, already has). It was created entirely in Ovation Pro. We are also launching an National Inquiry OnLine shortly which will involve a number of national figures and celebrities. The mailserver hosting this will be running on a RiscPC connected to the Internet by ISDN. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 01:48:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79470 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 01:48:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907200302:20:12888:19; Thu, 01 Oct 98 00:05:02 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012721; 1 Oct 98 0:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA28677 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:40:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA28672 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:39:51 +0100 Received: from (193.149.85.34) [193.149.85.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOVrA-0001Un-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:40:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Partridge) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 (00:19:50 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ac Subject: Re: Ticket numbering Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 30 Sep 98 (02:32:01), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk said: > >>I know this has been asked before.... I am using OPRO 2.50, and I have >the >>Unique applet loaded too. How can I get opro to produce a numbered >ticket >>run > >See the document on advanced mail merging in the file area on the >Beebug web site >www.beebug.com. I have found it as easy without using mail merge. Design your ticket entirely on the master page, including an empty frame just big enough to take one line of print for the ticket numbers. Link this frame to itself. To get the style you want with no type in the frame, enter your seat number, adjust the style to taste and then delete the seat number character by character. Close the master page window. Make an ordinary text file with one seat number per line. This will take a little time, but you may be able to generate it automatically with a spreadsheet, and you can use it for your next show. Drag the text file into the empty window in your document. As there is only room for one line of print, each line of the seat numbers file will generate a new page. Print using thumbnails. It is tempting to save the document with all the seat numbers in place, but this makes updating extremely slow when you redesign the master page, so it's better to drag in the numbers every time you use it. Hope this helps. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 02:56:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA79479 for opro ; Thu, 01 Oct 98 02:56:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 907203265:20:05767:18; Thu, 01 Oct 98 00:54:25 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005617; 1 Oct 98 0:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA28855 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:41:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA28850 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:40:52 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.214) [193.149.80.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zOWoD-000259-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:41:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 00:43:50 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Upgrading Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id BAA28851 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id BAB28855 Status: R I have just downloaded the OP 2.51 upgrade and performed the upgrade to m= y 'stock copy' of op 2.46. As usual got the templates error so made sure= =A0the file copy options were set to newer and dragged my OP 2.50 app to = the new 2.51. All seems to be O.K. (this has the advantage of setting y= our most recent customisations providing that 2.51 doesn't have later dat= es) I also downloaded the 1.04 colour supplement update but have not done any= thing with it yet as the old colour supplement seems to be working O.K. b= ut I don't know which version it is and it is early days (hours). How do= I find which version of the colour supplement is installed? I've looked= all over the place and am obviously missing something very simple. I've= examined all the files in the applet - I think. Richard --=20 __ __ __ __ __ ____________________________________________= _ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message