From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 1 14:57:58 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73935 for opro ; Sat, 01 Aug 98 14:57:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901958096:20:18564:17; Sat, 01 Aug 98 07:54:56 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018551; 1 Aug 98 7:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA26424 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:32:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA26419 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:32:26 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.218) [193.130.246.218] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2WAV-0006sN-00; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:33:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:21:42 +0100 Message-ID: <486e5550a2stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Text selection bug? Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in !Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is selected. This effect also applies if the character separating the two words is a full stop, colon or semi colon. I am using OP v2.50 Steve. -- __ ___ (_ |_ _ _ |__) _ _ __ / Stephen.Brown@argonet.co.uk __) |_ (-'\/(-' |__)| (_)\/\/ | | / Argonet, Internet Access for all __________________________________/ Acorn RISC OS machines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 1 14:58:04 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73938 for opro ; Sat, 01 Aug 98 14:58:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901963585:20:22424:16; Sat, 01 Aug 98 09:26:25 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022302; 1 Aug 98 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA26612 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:13:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA26607 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:12:55 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.204) [193.130.246.204] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2Xjl-0007dn-00; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:14:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 10:07:22 +0100 Message-ID: <486eb6e0f0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: <486e5550a2stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Jul, Stephen Brown wrote: > Hello, > I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma > without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second > word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in > !Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or > !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is > selected. > This effect also applies if the character separating the two words is a > full stop, colon or semi colon. > I am using OP v2.50 > Steve. Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the next word. Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. There was a longish discussion elsewhere in the recent past, about punctuation conventions regarding the full stop. Where traditionally two spaces after the stop are used... but in modern times/thoughts, some people prefer the single space after a stop. Hope this helps Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.09c -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 1 14:58:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73940 for opro ; Sat, 01 Aug 98 14:58:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901967218:20:15391:16; Sat, 01 Aug 98 10:26:58 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015351; 1 Aug 98 10:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA26768 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:14:17 +0100 Received: from atlantica.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26763 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:14:05 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch by atlantica.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.05pri) id MAA28011; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:15:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:31:23 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: SEX SYMBOLS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980727120421.00968140@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 27 Jul, Carl Cepurneek wrote: > At 22:56 26/07/98 +0100, you wrote: > >In on Sun 26 Jul, Richard Watkinson > wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a font which includes the two symbols used to indicate > >> the sex of fauna and flora? > > Note that these are also the astronomical (or astrological) symbols for > Mars and Venus so you might also look for 'astro' type fonts and find some > additional styles there. Take care. The astronomical (or astrological) symbols for Mars and Venus are not quite the symbols you want for your sex symbols. Their design might even be contra-productive for acceptance of your papers. -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 1 14:58:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73942 for opro ; Sat, 01 Aug 98 14:58:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901971152:20:10627:18; Sat, 01 Aug 98 11:32:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010525; 1 Aug 98 11:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA26944 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:18:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA26939 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:18:01 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.168) [193.130.246.168] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2Zgq-00018Q-00; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:19:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:17:11 +0100 Message-ID: <486ec2c375stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: <486eb6e0f0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 01 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: [snip] > Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the > next word. > Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. Yes, I realise this, but after producing a document consisting of 250+ pages there are bound to be a few typing errors, and this was one of them. I only came across the bug when I was switching the order of a few words around, and didn't notice the lack of the space. Anyway, there are situations in my field of work were no space is required after a comma and the next character, for example in the naming of chemical compounds (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-........ Alright, I may have found the bug through a typing error, but it is still a bug that needs fixing. Steve. -- __ ___ (_ |_ _ _ |__) _ _ __ / Stephen.Brown@argonet.co.uk __) |_ (-'\/(-' |__)| (_)\/\/ | | / Argonet, Internet Access for all __________________________________/ Acorn RISC OS machines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:32:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73957 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:32:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901993094:10:15886:16; Sat, 01 Aug 98 17:38:14 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124676; 1 Aug 98 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00370 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:20:07 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA00365 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:19:53 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2fJz-0002Ra-00; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:19:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:29:33 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: <486eb6e0f0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <486eb6e0f0df.symes@argonet.co.uk>, D.A.Symes writes >On 31 Jul, Stephen Brown wrote: >> Hello, > >> I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma >> without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second >> word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in >> !Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or >> !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is >> selected. > >> This effect also applies if the character separating the two words is a >> full stop, colon or semi colon. > >> I am using OP v2.50 > >> Steve. > >Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the >next word. >Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. > >There was a longish discussion elsewhere in the recent past, about >punctuation conventions regarding the full stop. > >Where traditionally two spaces after the stop are used... but in modern >times/thoughts, some people prefer the single space after a stop. > That's all very well, but it still doesn't make OP's behaviour right, does it?. I'm sure DP wold prefer to know about these little buglets, than have everyone ignore them, even if he doesn't intend to fix them immediately. Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:33:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73959 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:32:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901998751:10:29111:17; Sat, 01 Aug 98 19:12:31 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119702; 1 Aug 98 19:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA00571 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:01:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA00566 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:01:47 +0100 Received: from userl548.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.75.107] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2guh-0006rj-00; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:01:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 10:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: <486eb6640arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: <486e5550a2stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Jul, Stephen Brown wrote: > Hello, > I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma > without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second > word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in > !Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or > !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is > selected. I would have thought OP exhibited the correct behaviour. Words are only separated by a comma plus a space, whereas a word containing a punctuation mark without a space is correctly regarded as a word until the space is put in to separate the words. IYSWIM. I can't see any occasion, other than in a CSV file where cat,dog,budgie,etc would be written. Oh dear, Pluto treats it as a word and hasn't split it over the line break ;-) Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:33:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73965 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:33:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902006515:20:11554:32; Sat, 01 Aug 98 21:21:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011463; 1 Aug 98 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA00897 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:08:27 +0100 Received: from poseidon.tcp.net.uk (poseidon.tcp.net.uk [195.80.0.224]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00892 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:08:12 +0100 Received: from thouky.tcp.co.uk (en1-165.du.tcp.co.uk [195.80.3.165]) by poseidon.tcp.net.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA27893 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:08:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:07:25 +0100 (BST) From: Alexander Thoukydides Subject: Re: Formatting puzzle To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <35C3E912.13EF@kbnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: As little as possible X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 02 Aug, Mike Williams wrote: > Has anyone suggestions on how best to cope with the following: > > I have to typeset about a dozen tables. Each table has a column for each > month of the year and a varying number of rows. The entries in the table > are all numbers, but some numbers are put, sic, as '450+'. The question > is how can I set tabs such that all numbers including those with a > following plus sign are correctly aligned right by the last digit. E.G. > > 35 > 450+ > 210 Easy. Use decimal tabs stops where you want the numbers to line up, and under the document preferences (Misc=>Preferences) Text options change the "Decimal tab character" to "+". Hope this helps. Of course, if any of the numbers include decimal points and you want those to line up then you need a more complicated solution, but you may be able to fudge something by using a non-printing character as the decimal tab character... -- -- Alexander Thoukydides E-mail: -- Bournemouth, England WWW: .... I may not be right, but I'm never wrong! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73969 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902031333:20:00620:20; Sun, 02 Aug 98 04:15:33 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104805; 2 Aug 98 4:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA01399 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 04:59:05 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id EAA01394 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 04:58:53 +0100 Received: from (wilmot.demon.co.uk) [193.237.215.73] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2pIY-0005nN-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:59:07 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by wilmot.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 02:58:22 GMT Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 04:54:39 +0100 From: Paula Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text selection bug? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <486eb6640arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odie.barnet.ac.uk id EAA01395 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by odie.barnet.ac.uk id EAB01399 In message <486eb6640arayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > On 31 Jul, Stephen Brown wrote: > > Hello, >=20 > > I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a com= ma > > without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second > > word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in > > !Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap= or > > !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog"= is > > selected. >=20 > I would have thought OP exhibited the correct behaviour. Words are only > separated by a comma plus a space, whereas a word containing a punctuat= ion > mark without a space is correctly regarded as a word until the space is > put in to separate the words. IYSWIM. >=20 That would be fine if that was what !ovnpro did. It doesn't it you click on 'dog' just (ie only) 'cat' gets highlighted!=A0(I've just tried it!) Paula Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73970 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902003833:10:10194:16; Sat, 01 Aug 98 20:37:13 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010146; 1 Aug 98 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA00719 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:21:38 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA00714 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:21:27 +0100 Received: from lizard (dialup009.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.41]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA13168 for < Message-ID: <35C3E912.13EF@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 21:20:34 -0700 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Formatting puzzle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone suggestions on how best to cope with the following: I have to typeset about a dozen tables. Each table has a column for each month of the year and a varying number of rows. The entries in the table are all numbers, but some numbers are put, sic, as '450+'. The question is how can I set tabs such that all numbers including those with a following plus sign are correctly aligned right by the last digit. E.G. 35 450+ 210 Etc. Any suggestions welcome. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73973 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902050250:20:05997:17; Sun, 02 Aug 98 09:30:50 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005941; 2 Aug 98 9:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA01606 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:51 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01598 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:29 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08511 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:05:50 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Text selection bug? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <486ec2c375stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 01 Aug, Stephen Brown wrote: > On 01 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: > > [snip] > > > Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the > > next word. > > Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. > > Yes, I realise this, but after producing a document consisting of 250+ > pages there are bound to be a few typing errors, and this was one of them. > I only came across the bug when I was switching the order of a few words > around, and didn't notice the lack of the space. > > Anyway, there are situations in my field of work were no space is required > after a comma and the next character, for example in the naming of chemical > compounds (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-........ > > Alright, I may have found the bug through a typing error, but it is still a > bug that needs fixing. > I don't understand why you should see this as a bug. It seems to me to be perfectly tenable that, in establishing what are inevitably simplified rules for what are the boundaries of a word, that a space should be a determinant. There are bound to be special circumstances which create awkward consequences, which may or may not be resolved by tweaks to the rule, but that does not make the original rule a bug. My second confusion is that your example seems to strengthen the argument for the space - surely the chemical name is more like a single word than several. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73978 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902068250:20:13312:17; Sun, 02 Aug 98 14:30:50 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013254; 2 Aug 98 14:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA02125 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:20:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA02120 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:19:49 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.173) [193.130.250.173] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2yzY-0001pm-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:20:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:15:02 +0100 Message-ID: <486f56dfb0awarrick@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Formatting puzzle In-Reply-To: <35C3E912.13EF@kbnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Aug, Mike Williams wrote: > Has anyone suggestions on how best to cope with the following: > I have to typeset about a dozen tables. Each table has a column for each > month of the year and a varying number of rows. The entries in the table > are all numbers, but some numbers are put, sic, as '450+'. The question > is how can I set tabs such that all numbers including those with a > following plus sign are correctly aligned right by the last digit. E.G. > 35 > 450+ > 210 > Mike Williams I hope I don't get flamed for this but if you use Impression, devise a style which has the decimal point character set as a hard space (Alt+Space). The decimal point tab can then be used to position the table contents which are automatically right justified to the hard space. The hard space being the same size (not counting different fonts) will cause the numbers to be justified as required I can't see how to do this in Ovation though I am only just converting to OvPro. I have had it since its inception, but it still doesn't do the one thing I bought it for. :-{ i.e. Bottom align text properly in any linked frames or multi-column frames. In these cases I would want the text to flow to the last frame and work backwards to the first with the text in the half-empty frame aligned to the bottom of the frame. p.s. why isn't the text alignment (up, down, centre and justify) one of the style options? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73981 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902013501:10:27285:19; Sat, 01 Aug 98 23:18:21 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107984; 1 Aug 98 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA01095 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:08:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA01090 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:08:08 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.78) [193.130.246.78] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2kl9-0003ax-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:08:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 23:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: <486eff58facharlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Formatting puzzle In-Reply-To: <35C3E912.13EF@kbnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Aug, Mike Williams wrote: > Any suggestions welcome. Enter a hard space (alt+space) or alt160 or hex [A0] after all the ones without a suffix using !Edit or F4 whatever and you must change typeface to Corpus or some other constant width font then they ought to all align right in the form you require Mike. I just tried it setting your sample into three lines and applying align right tab, it works OK.. Touch difficult if you must use a non constant width typeface though... I cannot help with that scenario. Sorry. Hope this helps -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73986 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902098943:20:27893:17; Sun, 02 Aug 98 23:02:23 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027686; 2 Aug 98 23:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA02774 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:49:08 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA02767 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:48:55 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp130.enterprise.net [194.72.195.130]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 23:48:30 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: 2.49??, To: Sarnian Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <486f7cee31Sarnian@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro cc'ed to the list for reasons below. On Sun 02 Aug, Sarnian wrote: > On 02 Aug, Sam Smith wrote: > > The kind of problem's I'm having is - saving as a text file > > saves the clipboard, not the file - Menu options from the > > icon bar lock the machine up rather than doing what they are > > supposed to do. error windows not disappearing (looks like > > something doesn't like the new window manager). Amongst other > > things. > > Hi Sam, > > When you upgraded to 2.49 did you manually copy the template > file across into !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK? The ugrader fails to > perform this task and causes havoc as 2.49 is using the > templates for the previous version of Ovation Pro. Nope. I followed the instructions. Oops. > Version 2.50 is much more stable and can be downloaded from the > Beebug web site. You will still have to manually move the > template file over from the 2.50 upgrade. I now have a virtually fully functional 2.50. hanks to Sarnian for letting me know about 2.50 - the website still shows 2.49 as the latest (manually change the URL). It now all works, except the "View Document" and "Discard Document" options on the icon bar, which are permanaently greyed. Not that I am bothered, when they weren't they crash the program, but I would rather they were usable. Also, would the author of the person who wrote the Documents Applet, the one which puts a list of the 10 most recently opened files on the icon bar list, consider putting a "purge list" option on? So that the list can be cleared whenever? Also, maybe somethig which indicates teh file was on a floopy disc (and not an error message when it can't find the file)? And a completely silly question, but has anyone done a Keystrip for the Function keys? I *will* get a working installation. Eventually. Cheers and thank you kindly for all your help. Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 11: I'd love to go out with you, but I'm converting my calendar watch from Julian to Gregorian. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73988 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902050156:10:16274:16; Sun, 02 Aug 98 09:29:16 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116098; 2 Aug 98 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA01605 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:50 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01594 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:28 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08507 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:12:47 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Text selection bug? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <486eb6e0f0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 01 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: > > Where traditionally two spaces after the stop are used... but in modern > times/thoughts, some people prefer the single space after a stop. > I know this is a bad idea to reopen an old thread, but... I thought it was only modern times (the typewriter) which had introduced the double space. Before that, whether with pen and ink or in molten lead, it was what looked right. Eventually, computing will give us all that flexibility back, perhaps... probably not until after the Microsoft era, though. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73997 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902130522:20:14586:16; Mon, 03 Aug 98 07:48:42 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014542; 3 Aug 98 7:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA03414 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:33:27 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA03406 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:33:15 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-132.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.132]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA20701 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:33:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:05 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Text selection bug? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <486f7cfd27stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 02 Aug, Stephen Brown wrote: > On 02 Aug, Alf Chamings wrote: > > On Sat 01 Aug, Stephen Brown wrote: > > My second confusion is that your example seems to strengthen the argument > > for the space - surely the chemical name is more like a single word than > > several. > > In effect, the chemical name shown above is one word, but just try pasting > the example into !Ovation, and then double click anywhere within the name. > > No matter were you click, ONLY the first three characters "(1R" get > selected ! > OK, now I see the problem. That is very strange. I notice the spellchecker highlights 'R', 'isopropyl' and 'methylcyclohexyl'. Depending on the kind of writing you were doing, I suppose that might be more useful than the whole name because the constituent parts would crop up more frequently than the whole name, and there would be fewer of them. Regards Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:35:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74019 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:35:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902090976:10:28696:18; Sun, 02 Aug 98 20:49:36 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028633; 2 Aug 98 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02546 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:30:32 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02541 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:30:19 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (max01-043.enterprise.net [194.72.197.43]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMT Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:42:01 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: 2.49? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone else experienced massive problems with version 2.49? Te kind of problem's I'm having is - saving as a text file saves te clipboard, not the file - Menu options from the icon bar lock the machine up rather than doing what they are supposed to do. error windows not disappearing (looks like something doesn't like the new window manager). Amongst other things. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 14: I'd love to go out with you, but I'm going downtown to try on some gloves. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:35:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74022 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:35:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902098959:10:10198:24; Sun, 02 Aug 98 23:02:39 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104022; 2 Aug 98 23:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA02742 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:45:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA02737 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:45:35 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.13) [193.130.245.13] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z36t4-0001Xa-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:45:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:11:15 +0100 Message-ID: <486f7cfd27stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Aug, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Sat 01 Aug, Stephen Brown wrote: > > On 01 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: [snip[ > > Anyway, there are situations in my field of work were no space is > > required after a comma and the next character, for example in the naming > > of chemical compounds (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-........ > > > > Alright, I may have found the bug through a typing error, but it is still > > a bug that needs fixing. > I don't understand why you should see this as a bug. It seems to me to be > perfectly tenable that, in establishing what are inevitably simplified rules > for what are the boundaries of a word, that a space should be a determinant. > There are bound to be special circumstances which create awkward > consequences, which may or may not be resolved by tweaks to the rule, but > that does not make the original rule a bug. > My second confusion is that your example seems to strengthen the argument > for the space - surely the chemical name is more like a single word than > several. In effect, the chemical name shown above is one word, but just try pasting the example into !Ovation, and then double click anywhere within the name. No matter were you click, ONLY the first three characters "(1R" get selected ! OTOH !Impression treats each "-" as a word boundary, and if you double click within the brackets, the phrases from the cursor up to the closing bracket (excluding the bracket) are selected. !Pluto treats the name as one single word, well almost, it just depends whether you click within the brackets or outside them. If inside the brackets then the whole name is selected, but outside the brackets, everything after the closing bracket is selected. Steve. -- __ ___ (_ |_ _ _ |__) _ _ __ / Stephen.Brown@argonet.co.uk __) |_ (-'\/(-' |__)| (_)\/\/ | | / Argonet, Internet Access for all __________________________________/ Acorn RISC OS machines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 13:55:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74095 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 13:55:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902231423:10:27127:16; Tue, 04 Aug 98 11:50:23 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027033; 4 Aug 98 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA04381 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:28:03 +0100 Received: from helium.tip.nl (helium.tip.nl [195.18.64.71]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04368 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:27:47 +0100 Received: from t669454.tip.nl by helium.tip.nl with smtp (Smail3.2 #23) id m0z3Ozy-001YzIC; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:06:18 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:16:42 +0200 (BST) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: Phoebe and OvPro - performance and updates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Oxygen, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 Jul, Nigel Parker wrote: > > Two simple(!) questions: > > What will be the performance increase for OvPro on Phoebe? Has this been > tested yet or maybe estimated? > > To coincide with Phoebe's release it would be handy for me (perhaps for > most people) to have a full reinstall of OvPro rather than upgrade the old > (2.45 I think) version. Do beebug have any plans for a full installation > of the latest version to be made available? By email/https/post? > > Out of interest - https would seem to be a safe and very convenient way to > distribute software (especially since Browse will soon fully supprt this - > its in beta ATM). Anybody have any thoughts on this. > This will force people to buy either ANTsuite or Acorn Browse, not a very good tactic to get upgrades IMHO. I've both BTW so I'm not affected, altough they have to ship the HTTPS module out of the UK first. regards nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz at home! nico.terhaar@tip.nl ----> Acorn FoonGrep2 - NOW supporting the "1998 CDfoons" ! Pulstar Pages WWW site -- http://www.tip.nl/users/nico.terhaar/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 16:14:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74121 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 16:14:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902240688:20:03389:16; Tue, 04 Aug 98 14:24:48 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122663; 4 Aug 98 14:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05549 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:00:59 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05525 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:00:18 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.208) [193.130.250.208] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3T5W-0002qC-00; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:28:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. S. Ahmed) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 3 Aug 98 23:06:59 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Would it be possible to integrate OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 so that the work cooperatively? For example, you will write a letter in OvationPro and send it off (as Fax) by clicking on a button. Or you might have an OCR function in Ovation which will place the OCRed text into Ovation with all the Styles? I have another query. Would anyone know where I can get an Urdu font which I can use with Ovation. I know there is an Applette which allows you to write from right to left (!WriteLeft, but at the moment it is a little 'buggy'. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks. -- __ __ __ __ ________________________________ |__ |__| |__| |__ | | | / / __|| | | | | | |_\| / Shafiq Ahmed / ________________________\_/________s.ahmed@argonet.co.uk__/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 16:14:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74122 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 16:14:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902241848:20:17717:18; Tue, 04 Aug 98 14:44:08 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114707; 4 Aug 98 14:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05550 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:01:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05531 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:00:19 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.208) [193.130.250.208] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3OvN-0005wD-00; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:01:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 2 Aug 98 08:53:10 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Text selection bug? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 31 Jul 98 (16:21:42 +0100), stephen.brown wrote: "Hello, " "I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma "without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second "word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in "!Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap "or !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word ""dog" is selected. " "This effect also applies if the character separating the two words is a "full stop, colon or semi colon. " "I am using OP v2.50 " "Steve. Correct behaviour is what Ovation Pro and Pluto do. Correct separation is to add one space after a comma and two after a full stop. Courtesy of Dugdale's Secreterial College, Edinburgh. Ken -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 17:41:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74124 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 17:41:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902243421:10:18055:22; Tue, 04 Aug 98 15:10:21 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017997; 4 Aug 98 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05782 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:52:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05777 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:51:59 +0100 Received: from (arcade.demon.co.uk) [158.152.17.41] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3iRn-0004sP-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:52:19 +0000 Date: 04 Aug 1998 07:11:11 +0100 Message-ID: <980805155117@arcade.demon.co.uk> From:(Matthew Hambley) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text selection bug? Organization: Arcade - The Definitive Acorn BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: ArcadeLink Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>> I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma >>> without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second >> >word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in >> >!Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or >> >!Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is >> >selected. [cut] >>Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the >>next word. >Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. [cut] >That's all very well, but it still doesn't make OP's behaviour right, does >it?. I'm sure DP wold prefer to know about these little buglets, than have >everyone ignore them, even if he doesn't intend to fix them immediately. Well actually I think it *does* make OP's behaviour right. Perhapse it doesn't make it as flexible as it could be but it is right. The fact that you are not observing the generally acepted norms for listing (which you have every right to do) doesn't mean that generalised software has to support that. (\/)atthew -- ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | Free Internet E-mail and Anti-UCE News | | / \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \ | +44 181 654 2212 also +44 181 655 4412 | | A R C A D E | Croydon UK - Fidonet#2:254/27.0 | | The Definitive Acorn BBS | http://arcade.demon.co.uk at weekends | -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 17:41:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74127 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 17:41:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902245499:10:16177:31; Tue, 04 Aug 98 15:44:59 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120796; 4 Aug 98 15:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA05977 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:23:18 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl ([137.224.10.12] (may be forged)) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05966 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:22:57 +0100 Received: from riscpc.student.wau.nl (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J07PFKC1BY003KXK@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:28:50 GMT +0100 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:23:24 +0200 (BST) From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Faulty printed pictures To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Wageningen Agriculture University, http://www.wau.nl/ MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi all I've send this mail before, but I didn't get an answer and now I'm having the same problem again. When I print OvationPro documents with graphics (sprite, draw, artworks) not all the graphics are printed. Some are printed upside down, some are printed really strange and some are printed good. It are documents of approximately 28 pages A5-format printed as pamphlet. Using a Turbodriver for the HP lj4. I'm currently using RiscOS3.7 but without the SA. I've got an ARM 710 and 42Mb RAM. The documents contain many photo's so the documents are about 7Mb in size. Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong and how to solve that problem. regards -- X X | Steven Ottens aka GraphRisc X | WWW: http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno X X | |=>Newsgroups: for reply delete: CUT.THIS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 21:19:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74141 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 21:19:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902250020:10:25382:16; Tue, 04 Aug 98 17:00:20 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025190; 4 Aug 98 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA06337 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:41:20 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA06332 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:41:09 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.55) [193.130.246.55] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3k9R-0006ws-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:41:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Paul) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 17:45:35 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Problem with find and replace. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, Occasionally I have to strip many hundred of bracketed text from a document. This has never been a problem until today. I always use find and replace facility, placing the wild card for a string \* within the brackets (\*) and replace this with a single space or nothing. Today I got a Type 5 Error when I tried to 'Replace..End of file' and when I tried 'Replace' singly after the four successful replacement I got 'Internal error, no stack for trap handler. Prefetch Abort.pc=63206568:registers at 0011C75C Any ideas what's happening? Paul Hedge -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 21:24:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74147 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 21:24:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902262175:10:06833:16; Tue, 04 Aug 98 20:22:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006420; 4 Aug 98 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA06734 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:57:01 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA06729 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:56:50 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3kNb-0003qA-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:56:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 17:52:35 GMT Message-Id: <74139@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Faulty printed pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I print OvationPro documents with graphics (sprite, draw, artworks) >not all the graphics are printed. Some are printed upside down, some are >printed really strange and some are printed good. This is the classic problem with Turbo drivers handling one RISC OS call upside down. The fix is to have the (latest off the web site) CCPrfix file installed in !OvnPro.Library David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 21:25:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74149 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 21:25:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902255353:20:12394:20; Tue, 04 Aug 98 18:29:13 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012368; 4 Aug 98 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA06506 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:09:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA06501 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:09:35 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.13) [193.130.246.13] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3lWy-0000oU-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:09:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Paul) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 19:11:27 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Find and Replace Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, Occasionally I have to strip many hundred of bracketed text from a document. This has never been a problem until today. I always use find and replace facility, placing the wild card for a string \* within the brackets (\*) and replace this with a single space or nothing. Today I got a Type 5 Error when I tried to 'Replace..End of file' and when I tried 'Replace' singly after the four successful replacement I got 'Internal error, no stack for trap handler. Prefetch Abort.pc=63206568:registers at 0011C75C Any ideas what's happening? Paul Hedge -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 21:25:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74151 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 21:25:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902260692:20:01429:21; Tue, 04 Aug 98 19:58:12 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104264; 4 Aug 98 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA06651 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:28:27 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06646 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:28:12 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (max05-057.enterprise.net [194.72.198.57]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMT Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 18:48:48 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: Phoebe and OvPro - performance and updates To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 03 Aug, Nico ter Haar wrote: > In on Wed 29 Jul, Nigel Parker wrote: > > > > Two simple(!) questions: > > > > What will be the performance increase for OvPro on Phoebe? > > Has this been tested yet or maybe estimated? > > > > To coincide with Phoebe's release it would be handy for me > > (perhaps for most people) to have a full reinstall of OvPro > > rather than upgrade the old (2.45 I think) version. Do > > beebug have any plans for a full installation of the latest > > version to be made available? By email/https/post? > > > > Out of interest - https would seem to be a safe and very > > convenient way to distribute software (especially since > > Browse will soon fully supprt this - its in beta ATM). > > Anybody have any thoughts on this. > > > This will force people to buy either ANTsuite or Acorn Browse, > not a very good tactic to get upgrades IMHO. I've both BTW so > I'm not affected, altough they have to ship the HTTPS module > out of the UK first. I think it is a good idea - although something will have to be done about https. And, if I understand it, the reason they can't export https out of Britain is that they can't export it to the states. Anywhere else is fine I think.. Just my 2pence worth. Either way, if someone from Beebug / Sir David Pilling Programmers Inc could let me know the situation, I will be mentioning OvPro in the next Phoebe and Friends column for Archive, and it would be helpful to let people know of the situation. This is not for the next issue of the magazine, but for 12-01. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 6: I'd love to go out with you, but I have to stay home and see if I snore. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 22:48:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74167 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 22:48:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902265200:20:14987:16; Tue, 04 Aug 98 21:13:20 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014849; 4 Aug 98 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA07010 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:51:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA06997 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:51:08 +0100 Received: from (nmalden.demon.co.uk) [158.152.194.89] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3o3G-0005Fr-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:51:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:26:46 +0100 (BST) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: Oops! (wasText selection bug?) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4;Grampa x3; Churchwarden;surveyor;dtp-er;'42-er; X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 02 Aug, Someone Else wrote: > Courtesy of Dugdale's > Secreterial College, Edinburgh. ^ So that's why my amenuensis can't use a spell checker! :-) Charles -- Home 0(+44)1719490708-Vox; 0(+44)8701640025-Fax * RiscPC * Listowner procad-users * ProCAD 1.04? Work mailto:charles.barraball@dswark.org.uk http://www.dswark.org 0(44)1714038686-Vox; 0(44)1714034770-Fax -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 01:03:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74178 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 01:03:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902268416:20:16907:22; Tue, 04 Aug 98 22:06:56 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016792; 4 Aug 98 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA07277 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:37:21 +0100 Received: from mnhepc.hep.umn.edu (mnhepc.hep.umn.edu [128.101.222.192]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA07272 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:37:09 +0100 Received: by mnhep.hep.umn.edu for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:37:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:37:27 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-Id: <980804163727.24000122@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Phoebe and OvPro - performance and updates Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think it is a good idea - although something will have to be >done about https. And, if I understand it, the reason they can't >export https out of Britain is that they can't export it to the >states. Anywhere else is fine I think.. I'm sorry, but I still think it's a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Why do you need a secure encrypted channel to download a software update? It is not sensitive information! The only sensitive part would be the password you use to access the server - but IMO this is in no way in the same class as, say, credit card numbers. Easier solutions would involve a simple username/password combination to gain access to the download area of the web server (same scheme as used by Acorn CLAN, Navaho, Powertec, or many other web sites) - or by somehow encrypting a freely available download using a serial number (as ANT do for their internet suite). Also, that would be expecting Beebug to set up an https-capable server, which I suspect might be beyond their present resources (in time and effort). Better to keep things simple. HTTPS is a can of worms, given the stupidity of encryption laws around the world. I'm sure there are many other places other than the US where export would be forbidden - France, for example, comes to mind. It's unbelievable that the UK won't allow its export, when even the US has allowed export of crippled, low-security (but still encrypting!) versions of Netscape, etc. There's nothing Acorn or any of us can do about it, though. Graham -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 14:13:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74199 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 14:13:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902285815:10:16739:18; Wed, 05 Aug 98 02:56:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016592; 5 Aug 98 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA07596 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:32:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA07591 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:32:22 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3tNh-0007JZ-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:32:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 98 03:25:13 GMT Message-Id: <74195@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Find and Replace X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I always use find and replace facility, placing the wild card for a string \* >within the brackets (\*) and replace this with a single space or nothing. >Today I got a Type 5 Error when I tried to 'Replace..End of file' and when I >tried 'Replace' singly after the four successful replacement I got > 'Internal error, no stack for trap handler. > Prefetch Abort.pc=63206568:registers > at 0011C75C In general if an operation which contains many steps crashes, one suspects the undo/redo code. On the other hand your later example seems to be on a much smaller scale. So I'd be more inclined to wonder if the document is corrupt. First thing to do then is save as DDL and reload, and see if the problem persists. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 14:13:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74205 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 14:13:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902300461:20:26820:16; Wed, 05 Aug 98 07:01:01 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121839; 5 Aug 98 7:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA07753 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:34:28 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA07743 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:34:05 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3x9c-00069T-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:34:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:27:14 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Mr. S. Ahmed writes >Would it be possible to integrate OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 so that the >work cooperatively? > [snip..] Ooer, yes please! I've been considering buying ArcFax to replace my MS effort, this little extra would definately sway it for me. But perhaps it's already possible with a ittle more effort? Select ArcFax as printer, and print out fax? Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 14:13:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74206 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 14:13:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902301150:20:02404:23; Wed, 05 Aug 98 07:12:30 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129030; 5 Aug 98 7:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA07751 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:34:25 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA07742 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:34:05 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3x9c-0001CY-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:34:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:19:36 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: <980805155117@arcade.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <980805155117@arcade.demon.co.uk>, Matthew Hambley writes [he didn't originally, but has carelessly snipped the attributions] >>>> I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma >>>> without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second >> >>word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in >> >>!Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or >> >>!Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is >> >>selected. >[cut] >>>Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the >>>next word. >Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. >[cut] [Tony van der Hoff wrote...] >>That's all very well, but it still doesn't make OP's behaviour right, does >>it?. I'm sure DP wold prefer to know about these little buglets, than have >>everyone ignore them, even if he doesn't intend to fix them immediately. > [Matthew Hambly wrote ...] >Well actually I think it *does* make OP's behaviour right. Perhapse it >doesn't make it as flexible as it could be but it is right. The fact that >you are not observing the generally acepted norms for listing (which you have >every right to do) doesn't mean that generalised software has to support >that. > Never mind generally accepted norms for listing (whatever that may mean). I can imagine editing operations when you have got something wrong, and want to select a particular word to allow you to correct it. If you double click on a word then you expect that word to be selected, not part of it, and certainly not something somewhere else. So the choice, when clicking on the "dog" part of "cat,dog", is to either select the entirety of "cat,dog", or just select "dog". You may legitimately argue in favour of the former. However, selecting just the "cat" part is plainly confusing and as such is *wrong*. This has nothing to do with what will be acceptable or correct in the final version of the text. It does however prevent one from selecting the 'dog' part or the entirety of the clearly (in this instance) erroneous text "cat,dog", in order to, for instance, delete it or move it to another location. There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not worth the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is quite acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the issue by saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never be so. cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 15:22:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74228 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 15:22:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902324339:20:24319:23; Wed, 05 Aug 98 13:38:59 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109439; 5 Aug 98 13:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08603 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:23:03 +0100 Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08597 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:22:51 +0100 Received: from turnbull (turnbull.compulink.co.uk [194.153.4.31]) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA28526 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:23:15 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:51:11 +0100 From: Steve Turnbull To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Turnbull Family X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60l Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message , Mr. S. Ahmed > writes > > Would it be possible to integrate OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 > > so that the work cooperatively? > > > [snip..] > > Ooer, yes please! I've been considering buying ArcFax to replace my MS > effort, this little extra would definately sway it for me. > > But perhaps it's already possible with a ittle more effort? Select > ArcFax as printer, and print out fax? Can't see the problem -- I admit I've never tried it with OPro but I use ArcFax with Impression and Techwriter all the time. What level of integration did you want? ArcFax is a printer driver/ app combination, print to the ArcFax driver and then send it (even automatically if you embed the phone number). For Sleuth it's a bit different, but what on earth is "unintegrated" about a simple drag'n'drop. We really don't want monolithic applications that do everything, do we? -- Steve Turnbull (steve@turnbull.cix.co.uk) http://www.cix.co.uk/~turnbull/ .... "Bother", said Pooh, as he kicked hell out of his modem. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 21:20:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74252 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 21:20:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902342755:20:11447:16; Wed, 05 Aug 98 18:45:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116110; 5 Aug 98 18:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA09150 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:31:44 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA09145 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:31:29 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z48Lw-0000Sw-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:32:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 98 18:24:24 GMT Message-Id: <74237@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >ArcFax is a printer driver/ app combination, print to the ArcFax driver >and then send it (even automatically if you embed the phone number). >We really don't want monolithic applications that do everything, do we? What you could have would be a button that switched to the ArcFax printer driver, printed the document and then switched back to the previous printer. RISC OS doesn't have a way of doing that, but I believe a hack was written up in AU some months back. A good example of what may be meant is scanning. Currently you scan into David Pilling's scanning software, probably have to save to disc because the scan it too big to have two copies in memory, and then load back into OPro. Much nicer to have a TWAIN applet for OPro and scan straight into it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 21:20:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74254 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 21:20:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902346657:20:17716:20; Wed, 05 Aug 98 19:50:57 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017665; 5 Aug 98 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA09361 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:36:19 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA09352 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:36:00 +0100 Received: from (arcade.demon.co.uk) [158.152.17.41] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z49MQ-0006gE-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:36:35 +0000 Date: 05 Aug 1998 18:41:08 +0100 Message-ID: <980806203544@arcade.demon.co.uk> From:(Matthew Hambley) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text selection Organization: Arcade - The Definitive Acorn BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: ArcadeLink Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not worth >the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is quite >acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the issue by >saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never be so. I wouldn't describe it as a bug. It is merely an artifact of the way the code has been implemented. A bug is a stuation where the code doesn't do what you expected it to do. Double clicking slects the text between two spaces and I have never seen it do anything else. As you point out there are other ways to select an area of text. So much so that I very rearly use the double-click method. Anyway I can see your determined to have the last word on this so consider it yours. (\/)atthew -- ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | Free Internet E-mail and Anti-UCE News | | / \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \ | +44 181 654 2212 also +44 181 655 4412 | | A R C A D E | Croydon UK - Fidonet#2:254/27.0 | | The Definitive Acorn BBS | http://arcade.demon.co.uk at weekends | -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 23:02:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74263 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 23:02:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902352363:10:03705:17; Wed, 05 Aug 98 21:26:03 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003164; 5 Aug 98 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09665 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:02:25 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA09660 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:02:09 +0100 Received: from (193.130.244.41) [193.130.244.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4Ahn-0005ml-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:02:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:53:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4871016317df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 In-Reply-To: <74237@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > Much nicer to have a TWAIN applet for OPro and scan straight into it. > David Pilling Oh yes... I like the sound of that... Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 01:13:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74270 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 01:13:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902359596:10:03814:16; Wed, 05 Aug 98 23:26:36 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003674; 5 Aug 98 23:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA09922 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:05:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA09915 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:05:30 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.82.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4CdA-0000Fg-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:06:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:52:18 +0100 Message-ID: <48710c414crayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 In-Reply-To: <74237@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > A good example of what may be meant is scanning. Currently you scan into > David Pilling's scanning software, probably have to save to disc because the scan it too big > to have two copies in memory, and then load back into OPro. Much nicer > to have a TWAIN applet for OPro and scan straight into it. How about Sleuth 3 text being scanned directly into Ovation Pro, which can then be used to correct it, rather than having to save it separately. Using RTF, it would recreate the page in OP. If you had a scan button in OP, you could just click on it and the text would appear page by page. What a novel idea? Just like you can do with TextBridge or OmniPage with Word or WordPerfect ;-) Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 01:14:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74271 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 01:13:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902359638:20:14852:25; Wed, 05 Aug 98 23:27:18 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118563; 5 Aug 98 23:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA09924 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:05:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA09913 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:05:29 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.82.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4CdB-0000Fg-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:06:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:58:05 +0100 Message-ID: <48710cc8a2rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection In-Reply-To: <980806203544@arcade.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Aug, Matthew Hambley wrote: > >There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not > >worth the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is > >quite acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the > >issue by saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never > >be so. > I wouldn't describe it as a bug. It is merely an artifact of the way > the code has been implemented. A bug is a stuation where the code > doesn't do what you expected it to do. Double clicking slects the text > between two spaces and I have never seen it do anything else. As you > point out there are other ways to select an area of text. So much so > that I very rearly use the double-click method. > Anyway I can see your determined to have the last word on this so > consider it yours. Hey, I just double clicked on 'double-click' using Pluto and it selected the whole word! Hang on a minute ... cat,dog,bunny-rabbit ... hey Pluto does the same as Ovation Pro! Maybe we have the makings of a standard here. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 03:30:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74299 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 03:30:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902369214:10:20287:17; Thu, 06 Aug 98 02:06:54 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020137; 6 Aug 98 2:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA10309 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:56:50 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA10304 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:56:39 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4FIr-0003Pv-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:57:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 98 01:17:27 GMT Message-Id: <74275@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How about Sleuth 3 text being scanned directly into Ovation Pro, which can >then be used to correct it, rather than having to save it separately. >Using RTF, it would recreate the page in OP. If you had a scan button in >OP, you could just click on it and the text would appear page by page. Yes they missed a trick or two here. I think they'd say that the correction interface in Sleuth is better - you get a display of where the text came from. I'd think there was some mileage in Sleuth having some sort of external interface - command line at the least. input sprite file and output text. Then you could use it to automatically convert received faxes etc. However I'm no expert and not involved with the project so, perhaps not for me to say. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 13:59:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74302 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 13:59:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902387501:10:08274:19; Thu, 06 Aug 98 07:11:41 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008243; 6 Aug 98 7:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA10486 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:50:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA10481 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:49:50 +0100 Received: from (193.130.244.185) [193.130.244.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4Jsb-0003n1-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:50:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 23:34:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4871102087stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection In-Reply-To: <980806203544@arcade.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Aug, Matthew Hambley wrote: > >There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not worth > >the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is quite > >acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the issue by > >saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never be so. > I wouldn't describe it as a bug. It is merely an artifact of the way the > code has been implemented. A bug is a stuation where the code doesn't do > what you expected it to do. But the code doesn't do what you expect it to! If I double click on a word then I expect that word to be highlighted, and not some other word or phrase a distance away. If you still don't believe me then try the example I gave in a previous mail: (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-..... Paste the above line into !Ovation pro and then double click any where within the name, the result is certainly NOT the selection of the text between two spaces! > Double clicking slects the text between two spaces and I have never seen it > do anything else. hmmm?. Not in the above example. If you try this in either !Zap, !Impression, !StrongEd or even !Edit then double clicking selects the text between either spaces or punctuation marks and in my mind, this is far better (correct?) way of of handling the selection of text. Even, dare I say it, Microsoft Word handles the selection of text in the same manner as !Impression etc. As pointed out by Alf Chamings, !Ovation's spell checker appears to identify words separated by either a space or punctutation marks (as does !Impression), so why doesn't the same apply to the selection of text via a double click within !Ovation? > As you point out there are other ways to select an area of text. So much > so that I very rearly use the double-click method. You may not use the double click method of selecting words but I'm sure many other people, including myself, do use it; it is very quick and efficient method of editing text. > Anyway I can see your determined to have the last word on this so consider > it yours. May be Mr. Pilling should have the last word? Steve. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ SA RISC PC, 18Mb. / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 15:33:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74328 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 15:33:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902412505:20:29422:32; Thu, 06 Aug 98 14:08:25 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029412; 6 Aug 98 14:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA11179 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:52:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA11174 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:52:05 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.84) [193.130.245.84] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4QTJ-0000Zs-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:52:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 (12:48:11 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Text selection Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm using OPro V2.49, and find that taking Steve's example text (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-.... does have an interesting effect. by double clicking anywhere within this string I can get either just the '(IR' highlighted, /or/ the complete string. I can see no set pattern in this behaviour, but the most frequent result is highlighting the first section of the string, ie, whatever text precedes the first commar. I do however have reason to suspect that my new mouse is exhibiting some contact bounce on the select button. Whatever, there does seem to be a slight oddity here, a the result of double clicking is not the same as I have experienced in other programs like !Edit, where the section of the string to be highlighted would definitely be under the pointer. Dave D -- _ |_|._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ / Acorn Computers - for intelligent people globally | || (_|(_)| |(/_ |_ / dedunn@argonet.co.uk - using SA RiscPC 66M/4Gig _| / Stylus Col800, Scanflat 800, Storm DMA32, USR 56K Tel: 01775 750535 _/ Irlam 24i16. ZFC Ag, Acorn Clan & Arm Club member -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 15:33:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74330 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 15:33:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902412531:10:07791:24; Thu, 06 Aug 98 14:08:51 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118472; 6 Aug 98 14:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA11115 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:25:37 +0100 Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11110 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:25:26 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:26:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 14:29:03 +0100 Message-ID: <4871620410C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: The other OvPro web site Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The web site I put up for Ov Pro resources gets steady traffic, and appears to be well used. Regular users may have noted there have been very few additions to the download area of late. This is essentially due to lack of submissions. If you have anything you think would be of use to Ovation Pro users, then why not e-mail it to me, and I will add it to the site. Not just applets, but alternative sprites, document templates, etc. If you have any suggestions for material that might be of interest, then let me know. I have started trying to produce a sort of FAQ/hints and tips section (don't all rush immediately - nothing is on the site yet!). If anyone out there has already extracted material from the mail list to produce their own hints/tips/whatever, it could save me a lot of time if I was able to make use of it in some way. Any help would be appreciated and acknowledged. Just in case there are some new members of this list who are not aware of the url, here it is again (*don't forget the final /) http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Regards to all Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 18:09:12 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74339 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 18:09:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902414063:20:17186:17; Thu, 06 Aug 98 14:34:23 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016879; 6 Aug 98 14:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA11300 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:10:37 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11295 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:10:24 +0100 Received: from crusius.wxs.nl ([195.121.77.102]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA16B8 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:10:33 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:07:51 +0100 (GMT) From: "W.H. Stenfert Kroese" Subject: Re: Text selection To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4871102087stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: W.H. Stenfert Kroese, (crusius@wxs.nl). X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 05 Aug, Stephen Brown wrote: (snip) > > If you still don't believe me then try the example I gave in a previous mail: > (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-..... > Paste the above line into !Ovation pro and then double click any where within > the name, the result is certainly NOT the selection of the text between two > spaces! > (snip) > > If you try this in either !Zap, !Impression, !StrongEd or even !Edit then > double clicking selects the text between either spaces or punctuation marks > and in my mind, this is far better (correct?) way of of handling the > selection of text. > > Even, dare I say it, Microsoft Word handles the selection of text in the same > manner as !Impression etc. :-} > (snip) > > Steve. > Well, if !Zap, !IP, !StrongEd en (perhaps) even Word did what you say they do, then they would do exactly the same as OP. If you double click in your example the comma is a boundary in OP, being a punctuation mark. But probably the comma is not recognised as delimiting a word in !Z,!I,!S and (perhaps)W. :-) Define and use a comma with another ascii number, or use another sign, global replacing it in the end with a comma, and you'll get exactly the behaviour you want. Hope it helps. Kroese -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen. Acorn RiscOs PC + InetSuite by ANT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 19:33:10 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74350 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 19:33:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902424415:20:10686:38; Thu, 06 Aug 98 17:26:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105851; 6 Aug 98 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA11881 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:09:10 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA11876 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:08:58 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4TXr-0000bU-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:09:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 98 15:52:07 GMT Message-Id: <74332@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text selection X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >May be Mr. Pilling should have the last word? Well I can at least explain things. You click at a point in a word, and OPro moves a pointer back to the 'start of word' using a standard routine from the click point, that routine stops moving back when it hits a space. Another pointer is then moved from the start of word position to the 'end of word'. That stops when it hits a comma amongst other things. The text between the two pointers is then marked. So defining the start of a word as a space and the end as a comma leads to this odd effect. You could think of other variations on this like set off from the click position twice, once forwards and once backwards. Perhaps that would be more aceptable. I think >I can get either just the '(IR' highlighted, /or/ the complete string. might be the result of triple clicking selecting an entire line. As ever things turn out to be more complex than they appear at first sight. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 19:33:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74351 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 19:33:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902424917:20:15751:18; Thu, 06 Aug 98 17:35:17 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113244; 6 Aug 98 17:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA11941 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:17:18 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11934 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:17:06 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp419.enterprise.net [194.72.196.165]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:46:55 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: Text selection To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <48710cc8a2rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 05 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 05 Aug, Matthew Hambley wrote: > > >There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not > > >worth the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is > > >quite acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the > > >issue by saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never > > >be so. > > > I wouldn't describe it as a bug. It is merely an artifact of the way > > the code has been implemented. A bug is a stuation where the code > > doesn't do what you expected it to do. Double clicking slects the text > > between two spaces and I have never seen it do anything else. As you > > point out there are other ways to select an area of text. So much so > > that I very rearly use the double-click method. > > > Anyway I can see your determined to have the last word on this so > > consider it yours. > > Hey, I just double clicked on 'double-click' using Pluto and it selected > the whole word! > > Hang on a minute ... cat,dog,bunny-rabbit ... hey Pluto does the same as > Ovation Pro! Maybe we have the makings of a standard here. A treble-click selects the whole of cat,dog,bunny-rabbit in OvPro. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 4: I'd love to go out with you, but I have to check the freshness dates on my dairy products. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 19:33:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74352 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 19:33:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902427449:20:10785:16; Thu, 06 Aug 98 18:17:29 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124064; 6 Aug 98 18:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA12105 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:47:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA12100 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:46:57 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.196) [193.130.245.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4U8Y-0003sS-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:47:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: OvationPro List Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 15:09:08 +0100 Message-ID: <487165afb0charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Bug in borders Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I may have identified a bug in Borders application to Objects. I had created three text boxes the same size to take incomming and outgoing references and a date. The boxes were placed aligned left and right edges with a vertical spacing of half box height between each box. Size W65mm x H10mm x 5mm gap. Font Trinity 12pt. To each box in turn I applied null frame border but added a Drop Shadow of 0.25mm to Right and to Below. This is quite common in business letters. When the boxes were represented with shadows on screen they appeared to differ in thickness - each shadow of constant thickness to the box designated - but all three visually slightly different in thickness. When printed the variation was reproduced. How do I get all boxes nominated with a 0.25mm Drop and right shadow to actually display and print as such? or is this a bug? RPCSA202 OvProv.2.50 Screen in use 1024x768pxls x256colours. Anyone else find this? have I missed anything? Over to you David. -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 22:04:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74361 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 22:04:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902433872:20:14646:16; Thu, 06 Aug 98 20:04:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014570; 6 Aug 98 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA12374 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:44:45 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA12369 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:44:34 +0100 Received: from (193.130.251.56) [193.130.251.56] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4VyT-000628-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:45:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. S. Ahmed) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 20:17:33 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 5 Aug 98 (13:51:11 +0100), steve@turnbull.cix.co.uk wrote: [Snip] > Can't see the problem -- I admit I've never tried it with OPro but > I use ArcFax with Impression and Techwriter all the time. What level > of integration did you want. [and Snip] I'm not looking for total integration, that a ArcFax becomes part of Ovation, but instead use it to add an extra automated facility. For example, the !TransFSI filter uses !ChangeFSI application to convert bitmaps automatically without the user knowing. In OvationPro this could work by clicking a button or a menu option. A dialogue box would appear asking the user to type the fax number or select a number from the address book. Once this is done then the user would select send (or cancel). About 'OCRing' I read a review in one of the Acorn magazines some time ago that Optima Professional (I think) allows a menu option to appear in Impression Publisher. -- __ __ __ __ ________________________________ |__ |__| |__| |__ | | | / / __|| | | | | | |_\| / Shafiq Ahmed / ________________________\_/________s.ahmed@argonet.co.uk__/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 13:51:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74387 for opro ; Fri, 07 Aug 98 13:51:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902473848:10:18715:16; Fri, 07 Aug 98 07:10:48 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123358; 7 Aug 98 7:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA13129 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:51:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA13124 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:51:26 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4gNw-0005WO-00; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 06:52:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:54:13 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Text selection In-Reply-To: <980806203544@arcade.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <980806203544@arcade.demon.co.uk>, Matthew Hambley writes [I wrote...] >>There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not worth >>the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is quite >>acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the issue by >>saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never be so. > Good grief, I'm beginning to suspect this is a wind-up. If so, I must acknowledge that it is having a modicum of success... >I wouldn't describe it as a bug. It is merely an artifact of the way the >code has been implemented. A bug is a stuation where the code doesn't do what >you expected it to do. Precisely! I expect it to select between two spaces in any case. Arguably it should select between any two non-alphabetic characters. And don't patronise me. >Double clicking slects the text between two spaces >and I have never seen it do anything else. That is exactly the point. It DOESN'T do that. Instead it selects between the first space and the embedded comma. If you have never seen anything else, then you have presumably not investigated the problem for yourself, which doesn't make you look too clever. >As you point out there are other >ways to select an area of text. So much so that I very rearly use the >double-click method. > Hopefully you're not so arrogant as to suggest that everyone else should follow your example. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 13:51:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74388 for opro ; Fri, 07 Aug 98 13:51:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902479812:10:00250:17; Fri, 07 Aug 98 08:50:12 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000224; 7 Aug 98 8:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA13318 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:33:32 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13313 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:33:21 +0100 From: Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (root@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06245 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:34:18 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id JAA03749 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:16:41 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256659.002CF63F.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:21:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Bug in borders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>When the boxes were represented with shadows on screen they appeared >>to differ in thickness - each shadow of constant thickness to the box >>designated - but all three visually slightly different in thickness. [snip..] >It has never occured to me if the same pixel problems occur on printers, >I'd guess they may, but 1/600'th inch is not very obvious. In Sibelius there is an option on the print menu to "regularise lines" (quoting from memory) The manual says this improves the appearence of the lines in the staves on lower resolution printers. Without this option the lines may appear "jagged" and of unequal thickness. This suggests there is a problem of aligning to pixels when printing I have never tried comparing the two outputs from Sibelius, but as you say 1/600th or even 1/300th inch (which most modern printers claim) should be difficult to see, so maybe there is something else going on. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 18:07:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74426 for opro ; Fri, 07 Aug 98 18:07:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902506977:10:21421:17; Fri, 07 Aug 98 16:22:57 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111134; 7 Aug 98 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA13830 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:05:31 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA13825 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:05:19 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.38) [193.130.246.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4p20-00048J-00; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:06:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Ward To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:40:19 +0100 Message-ID: <4871cb6ae6johnward@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Bug in borders In-Reply-To: <74375@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 07 Aug, David Pilling wrote: [quoting the following para'] > >When the boxes were represented with shadows on screen they appeared > >to differ in thickness - each shadow of constant thickness to the box > >designated - but all three visually slightly different in thickness. > Worrying about the thickness of Draw module lines on screen is > fairly pointless. It sticks things on pixel boundaries and things > often look awful even though they are correct. Probably one good > reason for antialiased Draw rendering. Yes, and this is something for which I have occasionally pushed -- a universal (i.e. works on all apps) anti-aliasing Draw object renderer. I have been told that it's technically very difficult, perhaps impossible, but I cannot see why: if CC could do it for their apps, then the rendering code has already been created. Intercepting Draw plotting requests from apps must be the sticking point, though I don't know why this would be harder than other intercepts, as are often achieved even by tiny PD apps. > I tried your example on my Laser Direct, I think I can't see a problem. I've had occasional problems getting line thicknesses right, i.e. to print out on my LaserDirect Hi-Res the way I need them; but this is from any relevant app, not specifically OvPro, so might not be the same cause. In the above case, it does look as though parts of lines' thicknesses are falling "between pixels" (or printer dots in this case) and might be to do with the simulation of 600 d.p.i. on a 300 d.p.i. engine. To find the underlying cause, I expect it's worth testing one's code on lines of various thicknesses (including odd fractional values such as, say, 0.37) and positioned at different positions, including fractions of mm, both horizontal and vertical lines. -- John M Ward : "ZFC A" and a member of "Convergence International" Long-term Acorn user, and intending to continue thus. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 22:27:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74430 for opro ; Fri, 07 Aug 98 22:27:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902516686:20:22259:16; Fri, 07 Aug 98 19:04:46 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022166; 7 Aug 98 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14089 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:52:34 +0100 Received: from helium.tip.nl (helium.tip.nl [195.18.64.71]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14084 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:52:22 +0100 Received: from t669454.tip.nl by helium.tip.nl with smtp (Smail3.2 #23) id m0z4rht-001k9OC; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:57:41 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:49:08 +0200 (BST) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4871016317df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Oxygen, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 05 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: > On 05 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > > Much nicer to have a TWAIN applet for OPro and scan straight into it. > > > David Pilling > > Oh yes... I like the sound of that... > Who was doing all those TWAIN drivers again :-( regards nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz at home! nico.terhaar@tip.nl ----> Acorn FoonGrep2 - NOW supporting the "1998 CDfoons" ! Pulstar Pages WWW site -- http://www.tip.nl/users/nico.terhaar/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 22:27:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74433 for opro ; Fri, 07 Aug 98 22:27:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902519226:10:15436:21; Fri, 07 Aug 98 19:47:06 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114333; 7 Aug 98 19:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14262 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:32:42 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA14257 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:32:30 +0100 Received: from (hallas.demon.co.uk) [158.152.118.28] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4sGY-0001C7-00; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:33:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:21:39 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in borders Message-ID: <862267248%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4871cb6ae6johnward@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4871cb6ae6johnward@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > Worrying about the thickness of Draw module lines on screen is > > fairly pointless. It sticks things on pixel boundaries and things > > often look awful even though they are correct. Probably one good > > reason for antialiased Draw rendering. > > Yes, and this is something for which I have occasionally pushed -- a > universal (i.e. works on all apps) anti-aliasing Draw object > renderer. > > I have been told that it's technically very difficult, perhaps > impossible, but I cannot see why: if CC could do it for their apps, > then the rendering code has already been created. Intercepting Draw > plotting requests from apps must be the sticking point, though I > don't know why this would be harder than other intercepts, as are > often achieved even by tiny PD apps. If you're a RISC User subscriber, I suggest you take a close look at the disc pages of issue 11:6, due out Real Soon Now. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 8 01:59:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74458 for opro ; Sat, 08 Aug 98 01:59:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902530273:20:25540:16; Fri, 07 Aug 98 22:51:13 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025457; 7 Aug 98 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA14480 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:38:47 +0100 Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA14475 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:38:33 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp468.enterprise.net [194.72.196.214]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 23:38:54 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Control-F2 to close To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone written an Applet to make the current OPro window close when Control-F2 is pressed (as I believe the style guide suggests - or at least - every other application I can think of does). Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 4: I'd love to go out with you, but I have to check the freshness dates on my dairy products. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 8 01:59:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74459 for opro ; Sat, 08 Aug 98 01:59:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902533416:10:21902:17; Fri, 07 Aug 98 23:43:36 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021781; 7 Aug 98 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA14653 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:33:42 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA14648 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:33:29 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.241) [193.130.245.241] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4w1n-0002j4-00; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:34:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 23:55:35 +0100 Message-ID: <487219b862charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Bug in borders In-Reply-To: <862267248%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 07 Aug, Richard Hallas wrote: > If you're a RISC User subscriber, I suggest you take a close look at > the disc pages of issue 11:6, due out Real Soon Now. Thanks for the tips Richard and all, I enjoy the Mag even if not understanding the techie stuff. I'm going to try some other border shadow sizes to see if this is as noticable at wider margins than originally set, at the choice above "thin". With that choice the border drop shadow sometimes didn't appear at all! So its rather point... or is it pixless? The problem is that if the data lands between Pixels or attaches itself hither and thither my dreaded laser faithfully attemps to size the data read of the screen... otherwise how else does it reproduce the variations of border I see on the screen. I'll be back. cheers, -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 8 14:52:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74475 for opro ; Sat, 08 Aug 98 14:52:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902542583:10:22632:17; Sat, 08 Aug 98 02:16:23 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125461; 8 Aug 98 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA14914 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 03:05:52 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA14907 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 03:05:26 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4yOq-0006qt-00; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:06:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Aug 98 02:06:53 GMT Message-Id: <74465@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm going to try some other border shadow sizes to see if this is as >noticable at wider margins than originally set, at the choice above >"thin". With that choice the border drop shadow sometimes didn't >appear at all! So its rather point... or is it pixless? Thin is not a good choice for any serious DTP'ing - it means "one pixel wide on the output device". So on screen thats quite thick, and on a good printer it is invisible to the naked eye. >The problem is that if the data lands between Pixels or attaches >itself hither and thither my dreaded laser faithfully attemps to size >the data read of the screen... otherwise how else does it reproduce >the variations of border I see on the screen. Well thats the point, the printer pixels will in general not be the same as the screen pixels. The point is that variations in thickness on screen are of no interest, they happen all the time, variations on a decent resolution printer on the other hand are. If you wanted an example of a bad resolution printer which probably will show all sorts of effects - ArcFax in low res 90x180 dpi fax mode would fit the bill. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 22:40:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74512 for opro ; Mon, 10 Aug 98 22:40:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902604135:10:01182:16; Sat, 08 Aug 98 19:22:15 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001135; 8 Aug 98 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA15757 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:04:07 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA15752 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:03:53 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.36) [193.130.246.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z5EIX-0004ZL-00; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:05:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Ward To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:38:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4872650ab2johnward@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Bug in borders In-Reply-To: <862267248%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 07 Aug, Richard Hallas wrote: > In message <4871cb6ae6johnward@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Worrying about the thickness of Draw module lines on screen is > > > fairly pointless. It sticks things on pixel boundaries and things > > > often look awful even though they are correct. Probably one good > > > reason for antialiased Draw rendering. > > > > Yes, and this is something for which I have occasionally pushed -- a > > universal (i.e. works on all apps) anti-aliasing Draw object > > renderer. > If you're a RISC User subscriber Yup, right from the first issue. > I suggest you take a close look at the disc pages of issue 11:6, due > out Real Soon Now. Aha! I shall certainly do that. -- John M Ward : "ZFC A" and a member of "Convergence International" Long-term Acorn user, and intending to continue thus. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 22:41:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74523 for opro ; Mon, 10 Aug 98 22:41:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902703306:10:02310:21; Sun, 09 Aug 98 22:55:06 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101087; 9 Aug 98 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17462 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:39:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA17457 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:39:02 +0100 Received: from userm880.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.80.168] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z5e8b-00054v-00; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:40:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: OvnPro mailing list Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:45:46 +0100 Message-ID: <48731afff0rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Swap case? In-Reply-To: <4873102723andyp@argonet.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Aug, Andy Piper wrote: > I've just been hunting around in Ovation Pro's menus for a "Swap > Case" option for the currently selected word/character, but can't > find one... does such a function exist? Or would I have to write a > macro or summat to do it? It is there, although perhaps not in a menu. CS-S is set up for swap case, although I've changed mine with C-S which was originally spellheck story. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 22:42:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74534 for opro ; Mon, 10 Aug 98 22:42:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902698346:20:13127:33; Sun, 09 Aug 98 21:32:26 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013116; 9 Aug 98 21:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA17139 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:53:20 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA17134 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:53:09 +0100 Received: from (193.130.247.154) [193.130.247.154] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z5cU6-0003Wi-00; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:54:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Piper To: OvnPro mailing list Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:47:17 +0100 Message-ID: <4873102723andyp@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Swap case? Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just been hunting around in Ovation Pro's menus for a "Swap Case" option for the currently selected word/character, but can't find one... does such a function exist? Or would I have to write a macro or summat to do it? Andy -- Andy Piper Fareham, Hampshire Acorn Resources and More at *** All views expressed are my own! *** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 22:42:58 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74535 for opro ; Mon, 10 Aug 98 22:42:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902700714:20:00080:17; Sun, 09 Aug 98 22:11:54 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029937; 9 Aug 98 22:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA17339 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:57:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17334 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:57:25 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.201) [193.130.245.201] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z5dUJ-0004Ud-00; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:58:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: OvnPro mailing list Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:57:17 +0100 Message-ID: <48731c0dc9charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Swap case? In-Reply-To: <4873102723andyp@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Aug, Andy Piper wrote: > I've just been hunting around in Ovation Pro's menus for a "Swap > Case" option for the currently selected word/character, but can't > find one... does such a function exist? Or would I have to write a > macro or summat to do it? Just Control+Shift+S... -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 22:43:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74537 for opro ; Mon, 10 Aug 98 22:43:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902740257:20:23126:21; Mon, 10 Aug 98 09:10:57 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023017; 10 Aug 98 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA18215 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:57:09 +0100 Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA18210 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:56:57 +0100 Received: from ncs.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:56:58 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA26892 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:56:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:56:41 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Text selection To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 06 Aug, Sam Smith wrote: > On Wed 05 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > > ....... > > A treble-click selects the whole of cat,dog,bunny-rabbit in > OvPro. But a treble-click on dog as well as b-r also selects all three words. Don Lewis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 22:43:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74542 for opro ; Mon, 10 Aug 98 22:43:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902733074:10:20694:23; Mon, 10 Aug 98 07:11:14 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020674; 10 Aug 98 7:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA18043 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:53:02 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA18038 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:52:43 +0100 Received: from clive.holland.btinternet.com [195.99.61.167] by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0z5ln5-0007mN-00; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:50:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:46:19 +0100 (BST) From: Clive Holland Subject: Re: Swap case? To: OvnPro mailing list In-Reply-To: <48731afff0rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 09 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 09 Aug, Andy Piper wrote: > > > I've just been hunting around in Ovation Pro's menus for a "Swap > > Case" option for the currently selected word/character, but can't > > find one... does such a function exist? Or would I have to write a > > macro or summat to do it? > > It is there, although perhaps not in a menu. > > CS-S is set up for swap case, although I've changed mine with C-S which > was originally spellheck story. > Would you go through the process of how you changed this key function please? Thanks -- Clive clive.holland@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 22:43:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74544 for opro ; Mon, 10 Aug 98 22:43:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902748556:10:18334:16; Mon, 10 Aug 98 11:29:16 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018225; 10 Aug 98 11:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA18433 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:49:22 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA18428 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:49:08 +0100 Received: from userk936.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.73.4] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z5pVp-00030V-00; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:49:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: OvnPro mailing list Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:51:39 +0100 Message-ID: <487357f68arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Swap case? In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 10 Aug, Clive Holland wrote: > > CS-S is set up for swap case, although I've changed mine with C-S which > > was originally spellheck story. > > > Would you go through the process of how you changed this key function > please? First make up two Key macros: Ctrl S {'CS_S} Ctrl Shift S {checkstory(0)} Note that the ' is necessary. Then you have to change an entry in Autorun.!Menus Find the line containing addentry_menu(spell_handle,"spell_entry","spell_flags","","C_S","{SPM01}"); and change the C_S to CS_S This makes sure that the menu has the correct key press in for spellcheck story. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 22:43:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74551 for opro ; Mon, 10 Aug 98 22:43:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902770606:10:19519:20; Mon, 10 Aug 98 17:36:46 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019372; 10 Aug 98 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA19013 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:02:04 +0100 Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19008 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:01:48 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (max05-015.enterprise.net [194.72.198.15]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMT Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:39:00 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: Swap case? To: OvnPro mailing list In-Reply-To: <48731afff0rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 09 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 09 Aug, Andy Piper wrote: > > > I've just been hunting around in Ovation Pro's menus for a > > > Swap > > Case" option for the currently selected word/character, but > > can't find one... does such a function exist? Or would I have > > to write a macro or summat to do it? > > It is there, although perhaps not in a menu. > > CS-S is set up for swap case, although I've changed mine with > C-S which was originally spellheck story. I do remember in Impression, that if you had a block selected, it gave you a number of options what to do with that block on pressings C-S (or CS-S in Opro). Is this posible - like capitalise all, lowercase all, first word caps only, first letter of every word caps. Something like that. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 28: I'd love to go out with you, but I have to debug Windoze 98 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 11 17:09:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74628 for opro ; Tue, 11 Aug 98 17:09:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902848167:10:16786:17; Tue, 11 Aug 98 15:09:27 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016488; 11 Aug 98 15:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA20403 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:39:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA20398 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:38:58 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.30) [193.130.246.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z6Fa1-0007g1-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:39:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(ovation) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:35:48 +0100 X-Organization: Locationworks, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Swap case? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 10 Aug 98 (09:51:39 +0100), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: >First make up two Key macros: >Ctrl S {'CS_S} Having used Impression for a long long time, I'm finding the new key shortcuts in Ovation difficult to get used to. Do I understand from the above that it's possible to alter all the keys? Are there instructions anywhere? Sorry if this has been covered, but I'm a newbie and I don't know where the FAQ is. Regards, -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ ovation@locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 11 21:24:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74636 for opro ; Tue, 11 Aug 98 21:24:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902863382:10:01419:17; Tue, 11 Aug 98 19:23:02 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123004; 11 Aug 98 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA20741 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:12:34 +0100 Received: from mars.cableol.net (mars.cableol.net [194.168.4.224]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA20736 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:12:20 +0100 Received: from desdemona-81.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA23255; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:12:42 +0100 Message-Id: <35D108C8.14FE@cableol.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:15:20 -0700 From: Pete Bready Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Swap case? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sam Smith wrote: > I do remember in Impression, that if you had a block selected, it > gave you a number of options what to do with that block on > pressings C-S (or CS-S in Opro). Is this posible - like > capitalise all, lowercase all, first word caps only, first letter > of every word caps. Something like that. I posted this some time ago in response to a related query: Define three new buttons with names (without the quotes) and macro strings as below: Function Name Macro Normal " a " {case_entry(0,0)} Title "Aa" {case_entry(1,0)} All Caps "AB" {case_entry(2,0)} While these don't have a toggle effect as does swapcase, they seem to work for me. Pete Bready -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 12 01:16:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74661 for opro ; Wed, 12 Aug 98 01:16:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902878953:10:19283:16; Tue, 11 Aug 98 23:42:33 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019230; 11 Aug 98 23:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA21157 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:32:14 +0100 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA21152 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:32:03 +0100 Received: from brooke.u-net.com [194.119.133.234] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0z6Nso-0002ew-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:31:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:03:43 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Swap case? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 11 Aug, ovation wrote: > On Mon 10 Aug 98 (09:51:39 +0100), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > >First make up two Key macros: > >Ctrl S {'CS_S} > > > Having used Impression for a long long time, I'm finding the new key shortcuts > in Ovation difficult to get used to. > Do I understand from the above that it's possible to alter all the keys? > Are there instructions anywhere? Sorry if this has been covered, but I'm a > newbie and I don't know where the FAQ is. > Chapter 16 in the Reference Guide. -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 12 03:14:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74681 for opro ; Wed, 12 Aug 98 03:14:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902887594:20:13101:16; Wed, 12 Aug 98 02:06:34 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128925; 12 Aug 98 2:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA21356 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:51:02 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA21351 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:50:49 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z6Q4I-0005hA-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:51:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 02:11:19 GMT Message-Id: <74674@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Swap case? Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 I believe that there is a script file on the OPro web site www.beebug.com that sets up all the key presses to be akin to those in Impression- called impkeys or similar. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 12 21:06:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74728 for opro ; Wed, 12 Aug 98 21:06:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902946157:10:28828:17; Wed, 12 Aug 98 18:22:37 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104929; 12 Aug 98 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA22277 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:05:25 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA22272 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:05:10 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.58) [193.130.245.58] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z6WwY-0005Di-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:11:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:05:23 +0100 Message-ID: <487460e4a1charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Swap case? In-Reply-To: <74674@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > I believe that there is a script file on the OPro web > site www.beebug.com that sets up all the key presses > to be akin to those in Impression- called impkeys or similar. Correct. It is in the Standard data supplied with OvPro2.45? on in the Release Notes. Look in Extras.Macros.ImpKeys Hope this helps -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 14:42:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74772 for opro ; Thu, 13 Aug 98 14:42:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902990754:20:08908:16; Thu, 13 Aug 98 06:45:54 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101286; 13 Aug 98 6:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA23027 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:35:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA23022 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:35:28 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.104) [193.130.246.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z6qzZ-0005Rm-00; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:36:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(ovation) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:15:44 +0100 X-Organization: Locationworks, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Swap case? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 12 Aug 98 (10:05:23 +0100), charlton@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Correct. It is in the Standard data supplied with OvPro2.45? on in the >Release Notes. Look in Extras.Macros.ImpKeys Ah yes, there. I couldn't find it on the web site. But here it is on my hard disc . Thanks. -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ ovation@locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 18:40:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74804 for opro ; Thu, 13 Aug 98 18:40:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903028497:10:05705:17; Thu, 13 Aug 98 17:14:57 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129570; 13 Aug 98 17:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA23854 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:00:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA23849 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:00:30 +0100 Received: from userb737.uk.uudial.com (193.149.83.212) [193.149.83.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z70kW-0005GF-00; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:01:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:32:28 +0100 Message-ID: <48750da935mfraser@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Avery business cards template Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have created an ovation pro document for use with the above cards (code C2354). I have tested it on a Canon BJC-620 printer with TurboDrivers. I will upload it at the weekend, when you will be able to download it from my web site at http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mfraser/ Any comments you have are most welcome. -- Beer, Norm? Have I gotten that predictable? Good. ______________________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser / mfraser@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/mfraser | \/ | Somerset / Using !Pluto on an Acorn RISC PC | |____________/You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 19:56:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74812 for opro ; Thu, 13 Aug 98 19:56:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903032211:10:25711:19; Thu, 13 Aug 98 18:16:51 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125384; 13 Aug 98 18:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA23998 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:00:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA23993 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:59:57 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.215) [193.130.250.215] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z71g3-0006WZ-00; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:00:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 18:58:00 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Avery business cards template Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 13 Aug 98 (17:32:28 +0100), mfraser@argonet.co.uk wrote: "I have created an ovation pro document for use with the above cards "(code C2354). I have tested it on a Canon BJC-620 printer with "TurboDrivers. " "I will upload it at the weekend, when you will be able to download it "from my web site at http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mfraser/ " "Any comments you have are most welcome. "r, Useful, but why not stick it in here on the maillist or upload it to the appropriate OvnPro site? KEN -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 20:30:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74822 for opro ; Thu, 13 Aug 98 20:30:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903035824:10:14334:24; Thu, 13 Aug 98 19:17:04 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117390; 13 Aug 98 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA24178 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:04:43 +0100 Received: from atlantica.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24173 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:04:31 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-28.access.ch [195.112.73.28]) by atlantica.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.06pri) id VAA19586 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:05:11 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:57:09 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Ovation, ArcFax and Printers To: Ovation Pro List cc: Ovation Pro List , Sam Smith In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 05 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > >ArcFax is a printer driver/ app combination, print to the ArcFax driver > >and then send it (even automatically if you embed the phone number). > >We really don't want monolithic applications that do everything, do we? > > What you could have would be a button that switched to the ArcFax printer > driver, printed the document and then switched back to the previous > printer. RISC OS doesn't have a way of doing that, but I believe a hack > was written up in AU some months back. > > Snip Hello David, and you all; Sorry, I was absent for several days so this reaction only now. What about setting up your printer drivers correctly. For years I have used Ovation, Edit, Draw etc. to send faxes. When I load "Printers", I have 3 printer icons on the Icon Bar. One for colour, one for Laser and one for fax printing. OvationPro needs no buttons to switch between printers. You have them on the Icon Bar. Of course, ArcFax must be loaded as well. Do not forget, the RiscPC is multi-tasking etc. Use all it's facilities! Do not try to squeeze everything into OvationPro. And possibly a useful tip for persons sending a lot of faxes. When using Ovation(Pro) create a text frame somewhere at the bottom of your fax, eventually with a frame (0.25mm), and 1 line of text stating "Fax logfile". After sending the fax transfer the relevant text of the ArcFax logfile to this text frame. You can then delete said log text from the ArcFax log file. And your OP file gives you all info about when and how sent and to whom. This last idea could eventually be automated if ArcFax can be programmed to send its logfile to the document being sent. Maybe a nice welcoming surprise for the 1st update in the year 2000 ;-)) Greetings Jan-Maarten -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 20:30:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74823 for opro ; Thu, 13 Aug 98 20:30:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903035941:20:00356:21; Thu, 13 Aug 98 19:19:01 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105568; 13 Aug 98 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA24185 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:05:46 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA24180 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:05:32 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z72hX-0003Qy-00; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:06:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 19:59:31 GMT Message-Id: <74814@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Avery business cards template X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Useful, but why not stick it in here on the maillist or upload it to the >appropriate OvnPro site? Well posting binaries to this maillist is discouraged, to the point where you'll find majordomo may reject such postings or otherwise make them useless. But I'm sure that Chris Johnson would be happy to put the file on his 'alternative' OPro site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ This site is supposed to collate all third party contributions and very nice it is too. Submissions to C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 21:48:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74826 for opro ; Thu, 13 Aug 98 21:48:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903037879:10:09611:17; Thu, 13 Aug 98 19:51:19 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116846; 13 Aug 98 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA24414 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:41:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA24409 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:40:59 +0100 Received: from userm388.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.78.184] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z73Fq-0000ZX-00; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:41:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:24:49 +0100 Message-ID: <487517f234rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09e for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Avery business cards template In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 13 Aug, Someone Else wrote: > Useful, but why not stick it in here on the maillist or upload it to the > appropriate OvnPro site? Not on the mail list please - binaries are not very welcome. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 14 14:23:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74890 for opro ; Fri, 14 Aug 98 14:23:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903100126:20:29139:16; Fri, 14 Aug 98 13:08:46 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106154; 14 Aug 98 13:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA25485 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:43:58 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA25480 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:43:47 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z7JDk-0007FN-00; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:44:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 02:39:39 GMT Message-Id: <74867@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation, ArcFax and Printers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > This last idea could eventually be automated if ArcFax can be programmed to >send its logfile to the document being sent. Maybe a nice welcoming surprise >for the 1st update in the year 2000 ;-)) Not a bad idea. The useful enhancement that could be made to RISC OS is for printer drivers to have some sort way of linking a print job to a document. It would then be possible for a fax to know which document it represents, and for ArcFax to send a message back to the application which originally generated a fax when something happens to it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:22:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75006 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:22:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903267838:10:27811:19; Sun, 16 Aug 98 11:43:58 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125934; 16 Aug 98 11:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA27669 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:29:51 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27659 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:29:29 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z811L-0005AL-00; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:30:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:15:16 +0100 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: OP V2.50 Views Infelicity MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Ovation Pro V2.50. I am editing at the end of a lengthy OP document. I have opened a second window (new view) on the table of contents at the beginning of the doc. I wanted to modify one of the styles, so I opened the style dbox, click on tabs. Instead of the tabs ruler appearing on the window in which I was editing, the second view moved to the end of the doc, and the ruler was shown in that view. Annoying, first because I couldn't find the ruler, but more importantly because I had to go and find my TOC again. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:23:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75016 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:23:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903306810:10:23789:16; Sun, 16 Aug 98 22:33:30 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112787; 16 Aug 98 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA28618 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:16:07 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA28613 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:15:56 +0100 Received: from (193.130.251.86) [193.130.251.86] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8B6z-0000ja-00; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:17:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 22:58:41 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: OP V2.50 Styles infelicities Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 16 Aug 98 (12:15:16 +0100), tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk wrote: > > If you have two sequential paragraphs, the second having a different > style to the first, and you delete right at the end of the first para, > so that the second joins up with the first, I would expect the second > para to adopt the style of the first. Instead you have a single para > with two different styles (both of which have para scope). This > shouldn't be possible. It may not be right, but it is a very useful feature that I often use :-) When I am writing a report with headings, it is often useful to have a heading in a bold style, say, followed by a few words in normal text. E.g. New bug feature - should DP make a change? =============== Writing 'New bug feature' on a separate line from ' - should DP make a change?', each in the appropriate style, and then deleting the Return, is a quick and convenient way of getting the desired effect without the laborious task of marking any text within a paragraph. ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:23:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75022 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:23:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903351873:10:23214:18; Mon, 17 Aug 98 11:04:33 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118483; 17 Aug 98 11:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA29760 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:44:20 +0100 Received: from blaeu.student.uva.nl (blaeu.student.uva.nl [146.50.96.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29755 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:44:05 +0100 Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (md10-144.mun.compuserve.com [195.232.37.144]) by blaeu.student.uva.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA2E91 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:38:11 +0200 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:42:34 +0200 (MESZ) From: Michael Launhardt Subject: Re: Loaders and savers To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 17 Aug, Sam Smith wrote: > Has anyone thorwn together a loader/saver for HTML which works with Ovation > Pro? Doesn't need to do anythin fancy - just convert a delection of text > from the Opro styles to HTML styles. You might be interested in "Ovation to HTML Converter" which can be found for download at: www.cowgate.demon.co.uk/mit/ regards M.L. _______________________________________________________________ Michael Launhardt, H. Cleyndertweg 21, NL- 1025 DE Amsterdam T.: +31-(0)20-6371890, mail: Michael.Launhardt@student.uva.nl _______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:23:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75023 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:23:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903352294:10:28529:16; Mon, 17 Aug 98 11:11:34 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028157; 17 Aug 98 11:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA29849 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:57:58 +0100 Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA29843 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:57:45 +0100 Received: from ncs.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:57:43 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA11483 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:56:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:56:39 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: changing Macros To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am not sure if problem is real or am I doing something wrong - but there seem to be differences in the effects of the two possible ways of saving changes in macros. I wished to save a change in the order of the button icons on the top bar (produced by Ctrl dragging). I have attempted to save the change by calling up the Macro window, clicking on the Save icon at the bottom and then accepting the Overwrite option to save as "!Macros". On reloading Ovation the button icons were back in their old order. Alternatively, if I click Select one of the white boxes in the Macro window, Menu click to bring up a Save icon (named "Macros" - without the preceding "!") and drag it to !OvnPro.AutoRun directory, then the change in the button icons is preserved. I am not completely sure that this difference is consistent and I don't think it applies to other types of macro change. Has anyone found similar problems? Don Lewis Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School Fax 9288923 University Walk, Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:23:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75024 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:23:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903352590:10:02306:16; Mon, 17 Aug 98 11:16:30 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002152; 17 Aug 98 11:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA29919 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:03:46 +0100 Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA29912 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:03:33 +0100 Received: from ncs.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:03:34 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA11627 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:01:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:01:43 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Ovation, ArcFax and Printers To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 13 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > ... OvationPro needs no buttons to switch between printers. You have > them on the Icon Bar. > .... Dear Jan-Maarten Does this mean that you can have have several Icon Bar buttons, each to call up a different printer driver (or is this just about ArcFax)? If the former where is the facility described. Don Lewis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:23:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75025 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:23:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903353398:10:12846:17; Mon, 17 Aug 98 11:29:58 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012769; 17 Aug 98 11:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA30162 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:20:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA30155 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:20:23 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.205) [193.130.250.205] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8NKu-0007Px-00; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:20:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Sarnian To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:19:44 +0100 Message-ID: <4877005f3cSarnian@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09e for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Ordinals in Dates Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have set up my Date Format string in Ovation Pro General Choices to: %ZDY%ST %MO, %CE%YR I would like to be able to press key and have the ordinals displayed in superscript. Is this idea possible? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ Sarnian@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:23:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75033 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:23:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903364782:10:25036:16; Mon, 17 Aug 98 14:39:42 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024937; 17 Aug 98 14:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA30858 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:24:04 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA30853 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:23:53 +0100 Received: from (ilfprep) [194.222.45.155] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8QCH-0000CZ-00; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:23:46 +0000 From:(Terry Worton) Organization: Ilford Preparatory School Message-ID: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation, ArcFax and Printers References: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:23:00 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Dr. D. M. Lewis" wrote: > Does this mean that you can have have several Icon Bar buttons, each to > call up a different printer driver (or is this just about ArcFax)? If > the former where is the facility described. RISC OS 3 User Guide Chapter 12, Setting up for printing, pg 163. --------------------------------------------------------------------- >From Terry Worton Ilford Preparatory School --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:23:54 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75034 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:23:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903365794:10:09953:24; Mon, 17 Aug 98 14:56:34 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110616; 17 Aug 98 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA30952 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:42:59 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA30947 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:42:47 +0100 Received: from userl116.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.73.183] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8QUg-0002Vm-00; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:42:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:27:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4877068edcrayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09e for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Ovation, ArcFax and Printers In-Reply-To: Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 17 Aug, Dr. D. M. Lewis wrote: > On Thu 13 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > ... OvationPro needs no buttons to switch between printers. You have > > them on the Icon Bar. > > .... > Dear Jan-Maarten > Does this mean that you can have have several Icon Bar buttons, each > to call up a different printer driver (or is this just about ArcFax)? > If the former where is the facility described. Yes, I have several printer icons on the icon bar - LaserDirect, Arcfax and my Epson Stylus. I just click on the one I want to print to and it becomes active. The others grey out. This is nothing particular to Ovation pro, but is just the way that !Printers works under RISC OS. You have several printer definitions loaded and flagged as active, and they appear on the icon bar. It's all documented somewhere in the Risc OS handbook - probably under the section called Printing. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:24:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75041 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:24:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903378085:10:05498:18; Mon, 17 Aug 98 18:21:25 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106324; 17 Aug 98 18:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA31296 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:03:01 +0100 Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA31288 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:02:48 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp370.enterprise.net [194.72.196.116]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:27:10 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: changing Macros To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 17 Aug, Dr. D. M. Lewis wrote: > I am not sure if problem is real or am I doing something wrong - but > there seem to be differences in the effects of the two possible ways of > saving changes in macros. > I wished to save a change in the order of the button icons on the top > bar (produced by Ctrl dragging). > I have attempted to save the change by calling up the Macro window, > clicking on the Save icon at the bottom and then accepting the Overwrite > option to save as "!Macros". On reloading Ovation the button icons were > back in their old order. > Alternatively, if I click Select one of the white boxes in the Macro > window, Menu click to bring up a Save icon (named "Macros" - without the > preceding "!") and drag it to !OvnPro.AutoRun directory, then the change > in the button icons is preserved. I am not completely sure that this > difference is consistent and I don't think it applies to other types of > macro change. Has anyone found similar problems? Yep. Took me a weekend of rearranging Icons and reinstalls. Are you running the MultiRow Macro file (or somethign with a smilar name) in !OvnPro.AutoRun - it wont have a ! in the filename. The modified toolbar is run before this file, so your modifications get reset when the file is run. Try moving it out of Ovation (so it isn't run), and if this is the problem, you will find your icons in the order you want them - probably. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 22: I'd love to go out with you, but it's my night to pet the dog/ferret/goldfish. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:24:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75049 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:24:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903268064:20:04128:17; Sun, 16 Aug 98 11:47:44 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103861; 16 Aug 98 11:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA27668 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:29:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27658 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:29:29 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z811L-0001Qg-00; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:30:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:15:16 +0100 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: OP V2.50 Styles infelicities MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro You are inserting at the very end of an OP document (or chapter), i.e. the caret is beyond the last character of the doc. If you now start a new para by pressing RETURN, it is not possile to change style on the new para, until at least one charcter has been entered. The workround is to always maintain a couple of blank lines at the end of the doc and insert before these. If you have two sequential paragraphs, the second having a different style to the first, and you delete right at the end of the first para, so that the second joins up with the first, I would expect the second para to adopt the style of the first. Instead you have a single para with two different styles (both of which have para scope). This shouldn't be possible. If you now hit RETURN at the join, then the indicated style at this point is that of the first para, and it is not possble to change the style at this point. Moving the caret one forward and one back restores the styles and style selection to normal. Neither problem is a show stopper, but as in a previous thread which we'll not mention again, it's non-intuitive beaviour. I can cope with it, and DP may have a good explanation for the reasons why it happens, but if I try to explain it to non-technical people, major confusion arises. It undermines my evangelising in favour of Acorn/OP against other platforms. Not good. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:25:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75058 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:25:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903302606:20:19414:17; Sun, 16 Aug 98 21:23:26 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019379; 16 Aug 98 21:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA28415 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:55:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA28410 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:55:12 +0100 Received: from (193.130.251.83) [193.130.251.83] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z89qu-0007Jk-00; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:56:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Philip Cleave) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:54:57 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Internal error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, This is my first posting on this mail list, so excuse me if this has come up before. I just bought Ovpro V2.49. I am using it along side !Impact. I am trying to merge a table and get the error message: Internal error, no stack for trap handler: DataAbort pc=22303028: registers at 0011BACC: SWI &31766C not known, pc= B23023288. Any ideas welcome. (Found no help at Beebug!) -- _____ O |__| \|__|_ _/ \_/_///_] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/philc ___\__/ (_)____ mailto://philc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:25:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75060 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:25:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903317923:20:16391:16; Mon, 17 Aug 98 01:38:43 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113844; 17 Aug 98 1:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA29072 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:25:21 +0100 Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA29063 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:25:02 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (max01-029.enterprise.net [194.72.197.29]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMT Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:04:58 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Loaders and savers To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone thorwn together a loader/saver for HTML which works with Ovation Pro? Doesn't need to do anythin fancy - just convert a delection of text from the Opro styles to HTML styles. Failing that, RTF? Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 17: I'd love to go out with you, but I'm taking punk totem pole carving. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:25:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75062 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:25:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903351833:20:13101:20; Mon, 17 Aug 98 11:03:53 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110729; 17 Aug 98 11:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA29785 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:49:28 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29780 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:49:14 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (as5200-31.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.91]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA10763 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:50:06 +1200 (NZST) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:38:23 +1200 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Loaders and savers To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 17 Aug, Sam Smith wrote: > Pro? Doesn't need to do anythin fancy - just convert a delection of text New collective noun - a 'delectation' of text. Some typo's are worth the trouble ;-) tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:25:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75066 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:25:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903360603:20:19712:23; Mon, 17 Aug 98 13:30:03 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019611; 17 Aug 98 13:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA30528 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:55:18 +0100 Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA30521 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:52:42 +0100 Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA07027; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:52:30 +0100 Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA19963; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:52:29 +0100 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:48:34 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Re: Ovation, ArcFax and Printers In-Reply-To: To: ovation mailinglist Message-Id: <0534481317081998/A01521/CAUV40/11C88B702100*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11C88B702100 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;0534481317081998/A01521/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Don Lewis wrote: > Does this mean that you can have have several Icon Bar buttons, each > to call up a different printer driver (or is this just about ArcFax)? > If the former where is the facility described. > Some confusion over terminology here I think. The Icon Bar is the RiscOS bar across the bottom of the screen. The toolbar is where the Ovation Pro buttons go. The suggestion was to configure a collection of printers within RiscOS. Then, simply by clicking on the printer icon you want, it becomes the currently active printer. You can configure several different versions of the same printer, e.g. with different paper definitions, different quality settings etc. Simply drag the same printer to Printers several times, then configure each one as you want it. I currently have four - Bubblejet, Dot matrix (normally used for tractor fed labels), Postscript to HP laser (borrowed as needed) and Postscript to file. -- Alan Adams. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:25:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75068 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:25:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903361421:20:28880:18; Mon, 17 Aug 98 13:43:41 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107747; 17 Aug 98 13:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA30634 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:32:58 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA30629 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:32:43 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA14005 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:32:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:33:01 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Loaders and savers To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 17 Aug, Michael Launhardt wrote: > On Mon 17 Aug, Sam Smith wrote: > > Has anyone thorwn together a loader/saver for HTML which works with > > Ovation Pro? Doesn't need to do anythin fancy - just convert a delection > > of text from the Opro styles to HTML styles. > > You might be interested in "Ovation to HTML Converter" which can be found > for download at: www.cowgate.demon.co.uk/mit/ > I tried it; it produces some strange results. I emailed Tim Wiser (the author) about it a few months ago; he says it's an early version and the OvPro code has changed since he last worked on it. I downloaded it again just now to see if it was updated, but it wasn't. I hope he makes some progress on it soon, it would be very useful. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:26:12 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75073 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:26:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903377863:20:08985:16; Mon, 17 Aug 98 18:17:43 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114757; 17 Aug 98 18:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA31300 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:03:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA31294 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:02:59 +0100 Received: from (193.130.251.48) [193.130.251.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8TcU-0005zt-00; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:03:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Philip Cleave) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: samian@argonet.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:01:18 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ab Subject: Re: Internal error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 16 Aug 98 (21:54:57 +0100), Phil wrote: > Hi, > > This is my first posting on this mail list, so excuse me if this has > come up > before. > > I just bought Ovpro V2.49. I am using it along side !Impact. I am > trying to merge a table and get the error message: > > Internal error, no stack for trap handler: DataAbort pc=22303028: > registers at 0011BACC: SWI &31766C not known, pc= B23023288. > > Any ideas welcome. (Found no help at Beebug!) I forgot to mention that I am using a RiscPC 600. Also that when I press "ok" after error message it is Ovation that poo's out! So the error seems to come from OvPro. Phil -- _____ O |__| \|__|_ _/ \_/_///_] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/philc ___\__/ (_)____ mailto://philc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:26:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75074 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:26:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903378255:20:12776:24; Mon, 17 Aug 98 18:24:15 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120473; 17 Aug 98 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA31359 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:10:47 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA31351 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:10:34 +0100 Received: from (pennic.demon.co.uk) [194.222.34.50] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8Tjw-0000Qc-00; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:10:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:10:31 +0100 Message-ID: <487725fafdsps@pennic.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Backspace Key mystery? Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I use a microwriter 5 key keyboard to type into Ovation. This works via the Serial port. I have used this for years with Impression and other programs but with Ovation there is one silly problem that is driving me mad. Occasionally I use the real keyboard to delete something and my habit is to use the backspace key just above Return. The problem is that if I delete using this key my microwriter does not work until I have pressed another key on the real keyboard. If I delete with the Delete key all is well. If I delete forwards with the End key again all is well. What is it about the backspace key that disables my microwriters access. It did not happen in Impression, nor does it hapmen in StrongEd or any other text program. If anybody has any suggestions I would be interested to know what is unique to this key in Ovation and how do I stop it. -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard || || || || Specialist Psychological Services ||||| |||| ||||| 8 Loxley Road, London SW18 3LJ || || || Tel. +44 (0) 181 874 1569 ||||| |||| ||||| sps@pennic.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 22:26:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75075 for opro ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 22:26:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903378270:20:12756:36; Mon, 17 Aug 98 18:24:30 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012425; 17 Aug 98 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA31371 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:11:14 +0100 Received: from blaeu.student.uva.nl (blaeu.student.uva.nl [146.50.96.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA31361 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:10:48 +0100 Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (md50-138.mun.compuserve.com [195.232.57.138]) by blaeu.student.uva.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA4810 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:04:57 +0200 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:21:48 +0200 (MESZ) From: Michael Launhardt Subject: Re: Loaders and savers To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 17 Aug, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Mon 17 Aug, Michael Launhardt wrote: > > On Mon 17 Aug, Sam Smith wrote: > > > Has anyone thorwn together a loader/saver for HTML which works with > > > Ovation Pro? Doesn't need to do anythin fancy - just convert a delection > > > of text from the Opro styles to HTML styles. > > > > You might be interested in "Ovation to HTML Converter" which can be found > > for download at: www.cowgate.demon.co.uk/mit/ > > > I tried it; it produces some strange results. I emailed Tim Wiser (the > author) about it a few months ago; he says it's an early version and the > OvPro code has changed since he last worked on it. I downloaded it again just > now to see if it was updated, but it wasn't. I hope he makes some progress on > it soon, it would be very useful. I must admit that I haven't really tried the program ;-) but something like RComp's HTMLedit, which I use, converts any text very easily including tags and foreign characters. I agree though, that an updated version of Tim Wiser's converter would be rather useful, especially for someone who doesn't need to build large and complicated webpages. Cheers Michael _______________________________________________________________ Michael Launhardt, H. Cleyndertweg 21, NL- 1025 DE Amsterdam T.: +31-(0)20-6371890, mail: Michael.Launhardt@student.uva.nl _______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 18 14:02:32 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75149 for opro ; Tue, 18 Aug 98 14:02:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903411099:10:29221:17; Tue, 18 Aug 98 03:31:39 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116277; 18 Aug 98 3:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA32165 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:31:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA32147 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:30:40 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8bXx-0003ko-00; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:30:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 03:19:15 GMT Message-Id: <75136@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backspace Key mystery? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What is it about the backspace key that disables my microwriters >access. It did not happen in Impression, nor does it hapmen in StrongEd >or any other text program. If anybody has any suggestions I would be >interested to know what is unique to this key in Ovation and how do I >stop it. One thing is that OPro uses it's own module 'UniversalKeyboard' to allow it to generate codes for all the keyboard combinations. Normally backspace generates code 8, the same as Control H. Within OPro these two keys generate different codes. OPro manages this trick by making some keys generate two codes. I would guess this is the cause of the trouble. Although I can't see why. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From rmking@argonet.co.uk Tue Aug 18 14:02:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75156 for opro ; Tue, 18 Aug 98 14:02:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903429143:10:12145:0; Tue, 18 Aug 98 08:32:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127766; 18 Aug 98 8:32 GMT Received: from userp002.uk.uudial.com (193.149.91.1) [193.149.91.1] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8hAX-0000qM-00; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:31:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: David Pilling Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:56:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4877719cd8rmking@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09e for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Ordinals in Dates In-Reply-To: <75132@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain > >I would like to be able to press key and have the ordinals > >displayed in superscript. Is this idea possible? > Something akin to the Fancy Date applet... Hello David, Thanks for the info on this applet. I have just downloaded it and is just what I required. Many thanks, Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 18 14:03:31 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75162 for opro ; Tue, 18 Aug 98 14:03:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903408858:20:00246:22; Tue, 18 Aug 98 02:54:18 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122357; 18 Aug 98 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA32163 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:31:30 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA32142 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:30:37 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8bXv-0003ko-00; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:30:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 03:15:35 GMT Message-Id: <75132@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ordinals in Dates X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would like to be able to press key and have the ordinals >displayed in superscript. Is this idea possible? Something akin to the Fancy Date applet... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 18 14:03:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75164 for opro ; Tue, 18 Aug 98 14:03:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903411000:20:25812:19; Tue, 18 Aug 98 03:30:00 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025675; 18 Aug 98 3:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA32161 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:31:26 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA32137 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:30:35 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8bXt-0003ko-00; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:30:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 03:11:34 GMT Message-Id: <75130@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: changing Macros X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have attempted to save the change by calling up the Macro window, >clicking on the Save icon at the bottom and then accepting the Overwrite >option to save as "!Macros". On reloading Ovation the button icons were >back in their old order. Lets sort this out... In Autorun, you should have a !Macros file, this sets up all the buttons and macros, it controls the order of the buttons, and it is what is saved when you click on Save on the macros window. The trouble starts if you have another file in Autorun which sets up macros. If you do, and that file is executed after !Macros, then you can change !Macros as much as you like, and it won't have an effect. At some point Beebug dished out a file, which they suggested be put in Autorun, set up buttons, and was not called !Macros. Since then this has been fixed, but no doubt copies live on to trip up the unwary. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 18 14:03:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75165 for opro ; Tue, 18 Aug 98 14:03:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903411219:20:27443:16; Tue, 18 Aug 98 03:33:39 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115453; 18 Aug 98 3:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA32167 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:31:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA32149 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:30:41 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8bXw-0003ko-00; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:30:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 03:16:38 GMT Message-Id: <75134@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Internal error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I just bought Ovpro V2.49. I am using it along side !Impact. I am trying to >merge a table and get the error message: >Internal error, no stack for trap handler: DataAbort pc=22303028: registers at >0011BACC: SWI &31766C not known, pc= B23023288. I'd be interested in a small demo of this, if you could email it to me privately. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 18 14:03:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75168 for opro ; Tue, 18 Aug 98 14:03:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903425464:20:04191:16; Tue, 18 Aug 98 07:31:04 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004138; 18 Aug 98 7:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA32710 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:11:18 +0100 Received: from gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au [129.96.250.33]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA32705 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:10:59 +0100 Received: from 009975 (sturt34.sturt.flinders.edu.au [129.96.238.34]) by gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SM Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980818163240.00976960@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au> X-Sender: secpc@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:32:40 +0900 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Carl Cepurneek Subject: Re: Ovation, ArcFax and Printers In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 12:01 17/08/98 +0100, Don wrote: >Does this mean that you can have have several Icon Bar buttons, each >to call up a different printer driver (or is this just about ArcFax)? >If the former where is the facility described. For sure... And not just 'different' printers in the sence of devices. Lazy it might be, but I've generally got a couple of printer definitions, differently named, loaded having such variables as resolution or destiniation. I find it easier to click on a 'Draft' printer or a 'Super' printer rather than do a shift click to change the settings. Similarly 'direct' to printer'or 'save' to file. The main advantage is that it is immediatly evident which is the active printer by its colour, rather than having to re-check the current settings. Not all applications give that information in their print window. Regards, cpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 18 14:04:06 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75171 for opro ; Tue, 18 Aug 98 14:04:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903431723:20:14535:17; Tue, 18 Aug 98 09:15:23 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014154; 18 Aug 98 9:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00380 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:26:31 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA00375 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:26:18 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.163) [193.130.250.163] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8h6A-0000mC-00; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:26:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and print) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:16:55 +0100 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: Loaders and savers Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 17 Aug, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Mon 17 Aug, Michael Launhardt wrote: > > On Mon 17 Aug, Sam Smith wrote: > > > Has anyone thorwn together a loader/saver for HTML which works with > > > Ovation Pro? Doesn't need to do anythin fancy - just convert a delection > > > of text from the Opro styles to HTML styles. > > > > You might be interested in "Ovation to HTML Converter" which can be found > > for download at: www.cowgate.demon.co.uk/mit/ > > > I tried it; it produces some strange results. I emailed Tim Wiser (the > author) about it a few months ago; he says it's an early version and the > OvPro code has changed since he last worked on it. I downloaded it again just > now to see if it was updated, but it wasn't. I hope he makes some progress on > it soon, it would be very useful. I don't suppose anybody here has heard of HTMLPro. A product due for release at Acorn World by Nottingham based company Levens Software. It is designed to do a full conversion (within the constraints of HTML 3.2) of an OvationPro document (in the same sort of way of as OvP2HTML) to an HTML page with graphics. Currently progress is going well. If you wish to be informed of progress, including full product details you can view http://www.levens.co.uk/software/html.htm For information updates as and when they happen, email them at html.applet@levens.co.uk with the subject field set to HTMLPro News please I hope this is of some help. Benji Levens -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 19 23:22:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75336 for opro ; Wed, 19 Aug 98 23:22:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903562004:10:12419:16; Wed, 19 Aug 98 21:26:44 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012218; 19 Aug 98 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA02191 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:08:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA02186 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:08:25 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.199) [193.130.250.199] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z9FTY-0007Mg-00; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:09:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ken) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 23:17:43 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Text selection bug? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, [snip lots and lots and lots...] I believe a clue to the "bug" was in a reply from DP himself(?) a bit back (but I've deleted all my old mails, so can't check). If I recall: taking " cat,dog " and double clicking anywhere in dog, the RULE is that there is a backwards scan from the point of the double click, which will skip /PAST/ the comma and stop at the space before cat. A pointer is now set. A forward scan now begins form there. But this one will /STOP/ at the comma (so "cat" is selected). So my reasoning is that the scans are not consistant with each other, and I do see this as a "bug". A couple of suggestions spring to mind: 1) Make BOTH scans either pass or stop at the comma (or other punctuation marks). In other words, make them do the SAME THING! 2) Make the forward scan start from the clicked position (not the position found by the backward scan (which was DP's own suggestion, IIRC). My preference would be for option (1), and within that, to stop at punctuation marks rather than just spaces. But I'm prepared to accept that a "word" is bounded by "spaces" (or equivilant) and that it may contain imbedded punctuation marks (How's that for sitting firmly on the fence?!? :-) Whilst typing the above, option 3) springs to mind: Double click: Select "word" between punctuation marks, Treble click: Select "word" between spaces, Quad click: Selects line, Five clicks: Selects paragraph, Six clicks: Selects story. This would make everyone happy(?). Except ... where the "word" does not contain imbedded punctuation marks! In this case, it would have to revert to the way it works now !!! Try explaining that in section 3.6 of the manual ;-) Any help? (probably not). Cheers. Ken. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ Ken.McNaught@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 20 13:47:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75370 for opro ; Thu, 20 Aug 98 13:47:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903598803:10:29967:16; Thu, 20 Aug 98 07:40:03 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105864; 20 Aug 98 7:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA02734 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:26:55 +0100 Received: from mailme.wirehub.nl (ns2.wirehub.net [194.165.94.5]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02729 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:26:41 +0100 Received: from hamuy.wirehub.nl (p688.wirehub.net [195.86.48.176]) by mailme.wirehub.nl (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA03769 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:32:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:24:39 +0100 (BST) From: "J.J. Muyderman" Subject: Irregular frames To: Ovation Maillist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen - Nijmegen - (31)(024) 377 83 98 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I try to make an irregular frame and get the message "you can't load files into lines" But: the path has been closed, I used grid-locking; what ever I try, it doesn't works and I don't get a frame. What do I wrong? -- regards, Muyderman Opleidingen, Hans Muyderman (hamuy@wirehub.nl) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 20 16:16:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75416 for opro ; Thu, 20 Aug 98 16:16:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903623287:20:08826:29; Thu, 20 Aug 98 14:28:07 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008838; 20 Aug 98 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA03262 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:00:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA03257 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:00:40 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z9VHH-00003C-00; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:01:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 14:40:17 GMT Message-Id: <75407@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Irregular frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I try to make an irregular frame and get the message >"you can't load files into lines" >But: the path has been closed, I used grid-locking; what >ever I try, it doesn't works and I don't get a frame. >What do I wrong? Do note that there are two tools. The one under the pointer tool is used for making frames, and the one below that for making lines. Frames will auto close, lines don't (or so I think). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 20 20:57:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75455 for opro ; Thu, 20 Aug 98 20:57:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903639141:10:03454:19; Thu, 20 Aug 98 18:52:21 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123598; 20 Aug 98 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03659 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:36:41 +0100 Received: from mailme.wirehub.nl (ns2.wirehub.net [194.165.94.5]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03654 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:36:29 +0100 Received: from hamuy.wirehub.nl (p650.wirehub.net [195.86.48.138]) by mailme.wirehub.nl (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06304 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:32:41 +0100 (BST) From: "J.J. Muyderman" Subject: Re: Irregular frames To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: <75407@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen - Nijmegen - (31)(024) 377 83 98 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 20 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >I try to make an irregular frame and get the message > >"you can't load files into lines" > >But: the path has been closed, I used grid-locking; what > >ever I try, it doesn't works and I don't get a frame. > >What do I wrong? > > Do note that there are two tools. The one under the pointer tool > is used for making frames, and the one below that for > making lines. > > Frames will auto close, lines don't (or so I think). Thank you, now I see what happened: reading the paragraph about irregular frames on the left side page 89, reference guide, I looked the same time at the toolbox in fig. 8.6 below on the left side too, which gives a view on the button line tool, to point for drawing lines as explained in paragraph 8.2 on the right side from this page. I think it did trow me into disorder. Sorry. -- regards, Hans Muyderman (hamuy@wirehub.nl) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 21 13:51:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75501 for opro ; Fri, 21 Aug 98 13:51:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903699690:10:18943:19; Fri, 21 Aug 98 11:41:30 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018930; 21 Aug 98 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA04503 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:15:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA04494 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:15:03 +0100 Received: from userp110.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.91.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z9pAd-0003R1-00; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:15:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:15:01 +0100 Message-ID: <48790f48ebrayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Shadow frame problem Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've been given a job which means producing booklets to a house style which includes frames with round corners and shadows. I can't find a way of doing this simply in OP - if I select round corners, the shadow deselects. I can bodge it by creating two overlapping frames, one black, but it is a time consuming bodge. Have I missed a way of doing it or must I really use my PC :-( Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 22:17:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75616 for opro ; Mon, 24 Aug 98 22:17:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903887977:10:13694:17; Sun, 23 Aug 98 15:59:37 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126197; 23 Aug 98 15:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA06812 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:44:17 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06807 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:44:05 +0100 Received: from [158.152.60.112] (helo=narrator.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zAcKc-0001W2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:45:27 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:43:34 GMT Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:42:57 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text manipulation bug? Message-ID: <677c2f7a48%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <74674@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R While manipulating text in a document, I came across the Ovpro fatal error type=5. It started when I was dragging text around. At first I thought it was that the size of the text was too great. I then divided it up into bits and it worked. I then tried to reduce the font to size 7. No matter what I did after that the same error kept occurring. I then tried cutting and pasting text and found I got the same error with that too. I have reloaded Ovpro, after C-break and there does not seem to be any difference. Finally a copied the text(cutting and pasting on to a new page and that did work, but when I treid pasting that text back into the first document, fatal error! Has the document somehow become corrupted? If so, how do I get a 'working document'? -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC OS 3.6 | neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| LONDON SW16 | 16Mb -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 22:17:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75617 for opro ; Mon, 24 Aug 98 22:17:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903888538:10:21745:18; Sun, 23 Aug 98 16:08:58 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021700; 23 Aug 98 16:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA06872 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:54:27 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06867 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:54:16 +0100 Received: from sp50.sp.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.72.103]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zAcUV-0001HF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:55:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:55:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Ford Subject: Re: Text manipulation bug? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <677c2f7a48%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Has the document somehow become corrupted? If so, how do I get a 'working >document'? Save the text out as DDL and reload it. That often cures such things, so we are told. Chris. -- Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 22:18:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75620 for opro ; Mon, 24 Aug 98 22:18:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903892755:10:23430:17; Sun, 23 Aug 98 17:19:15 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120587; 23 Aug 98 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA07053 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:03:45 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07048 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:03:34 +0100 Received: from [194.222.150.247] (helo=xsell.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zAdZT-0005cD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:04:52 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:04:01 +0100 (BST) From: Jeff Wallis Subject: Printing problem with pictures To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R RiscPC700, non SA, RiscOS 3.6 I have recently switched from Impression Publisher to Ovation Pro and in the main I have found the transition painless. However I have a problem with printing pictures which I have not been able to solve. I can only print 8bpp sprites in a rectangle frame; attempting to print 8bpp sprites in an irregular frame or 16bpp and 32bpp sprites in any sort of frame fails, as do 8bpp sprites in a rotated frame, although 8bpp sprites rotated in a non rotated frame are OK. JPEGs don't print either. I have three printers and the result with each is as follows: Epson Stylus with Turbo Driver - computer locks up, have to use reset button to recover. Laser Direct LBP4 - prints other matter that's on the page but leaves graphic frame blamk Calligraph A4 - with sprites produces error message 'Message from Ovation Pro. SpriteExtend: Bad colour translation table. (print cancelled)' With JPEGs, no error message but graphic frame is blank However, all types of sprites and jpegs 'print' to ArcFax OK I don't have this problem printing pictures from Impression Publisher. Can anyone throw any light on this please. -- Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 22:18:20 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75624 for opro ; Mon, 24 Aug 98 22:18:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903961679:10:20356:17; Mon, 24 Aug 98 12:27:59 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020148; 24 Aug 98 12:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA08290 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:03:18 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08285 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:03:07 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zAvL6-0003Tb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:03:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:47:35 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Thesaurus as macro (old request) To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all Sorry this is an old request- and I know it is in the archives, but I cannot bear the thought of going through them all to find the answer!!! How exactly do you set up a button in the toolbar to run !Thesaurus? I have no knowledge of prograaming Macros, but will happily retype if someone can tell me what yo do... MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 25 01:38:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75671 for opro ; Tue, 25 Aug 98 01:38:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 903963526:20:21854:17; Mon, 24 Aug 98 12:58:46 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110353; 24 Aug 98 12:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA08345 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:19:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA08340 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:18:51 +0100 Received: from userl924.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.76.229] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zAvaK-0003x5-00; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:18:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:11:41 +0100 Message-ID: <487a9ffb02rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Odds and ends with grouped frames Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Having spent the last two days struggling with several documents containing shadow frames with radiused corners, I've come across a few funnies which may be of interest. I produced the shadows by duplicating the frames, which duplicated downwards and to the right *except* when you do it on the pasteboard, when it does it to the left! If you radius the corners of a frame, not only can't you shadow, but you can't vertically align the text either and the options are greyed out. BUT if you have grouped radiused frames, the shadow option is no longer greyed out (but doesn't actually do anything). Ctrl-Shift-K always groups frames, but doesn't always ungroup them. In the latter case, they do ungroup using Object...Ungroup, but I don't know why the keypress is unreliable. It would be useful to be able to create shadows etc on radiused frames, but if not, would it be possible to change the size of grouped frames without changing the space between them? ie two frames grouped as a shadow didn't change the shadow size when the frame size was changed. This restriction meant that I couldn't create one frame and use it for different purposes as the shadow changed if I resized it. It meant that every frame had to be created individually. Grrr. When creating TABs, I wish the Edit Style of Tabs window didn't always open over the Tab ruler I wanted to alter. It's a nuisance having to move the windows out of the way to get at the ruler. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 27 22:02:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA75992 for opro ; Thu, 27 Aug 98 22:02:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904247024:20:05948:19; Thu, 27 Aug 98 19:43:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005786; 27 Aug 98 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA01291 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:24:17 +0100 Received: from smtp-relay.power.net.uk (smtp-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01286 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:24:06 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust71.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.71]) by smtp-relay.power.net.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA21792 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:20:05 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:08:34 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: B & W photos and colour seps Message-ID: <9b1edc7a48%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've been loading black and white photos (mug shots) into a document and they look OK on screen. But when I view the colour seps, I see that there is info on the CMY separations as well as the black. In fact, the black separation seems to lack tonal gradation. This suggests that the colour separations assume that four colour process will be used. Unfortunately I will be using black plus a spot colour, and need the photos just on black. Is there a setting which I have missed which prevents anything appearing on the CMY seps? David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 01:10:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76007 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 01:10:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904257739:20:10644:20; Thu, 27 Aug 98 22:42:19 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106851; 27 Aug 98 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA01749 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:39:08 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01744 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:38:52 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.23]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA2161 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:37:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:39:22 +0200 Message-ID: <487c5f7625delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: B & W photos and colour seps In-Reply-To: <9b1edc7a48%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 25 Aug, David Graddol wrote: > I've been loading black and white photos (mug shots) into a > document and they look OK on screen. But when I view the colour > seps, I see that there is info on the CMY separations as well > as the black. In fact, the black separation seems to lack > tonal gradation. This suggests that the colour separations > assume that four colour process will be used. Unfortunately > I will be using black plus a spot colour, and need the photos > just on black. Is there a setting which I have missed which > prevents anything appearing on the CMY seps? First be sure you loaded a SPRITE format - not JPEG. Then switch on DUOTONE mode (Picture... Process...) That's all. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 28 01:10:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76008 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 01:10:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904260382:10:28243:0; Thu, 27 Aug 98 23:26:22 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101274; 27 Aug 98 23:26 GMT Received: from (cartmell.demon.co.uk) [158.152.204.98] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCBQj-0003OI-00; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:26:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:25:48 +0100 Message-ID: <487c693276john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Border/Draw printing - v2.49 & 2.50 differences Content-Type: text/plain Status: R I'm having problems printing out a page which includes a border and a drawfile (amongst other things). Using 2.50 the border does not print and neither does the lines from the drawfile (but the fills print OK). Using 2.49 the border and the lines print OK - but the version doesn't have the thumbnails option which I am using. The file has printed out OK in the past but I made a mess of my copy of Ovation and produced another one from the downloads. NB both 2.49 and 2.50 are produced from the same copy of 2.46 with the current versions of 2.49 & 2.50 from the web-site. Why the differences and how did I get it to work in the first place? -- John Cartmell Manchester using Acorn RiscPC & StrongARM From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 13:51:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76030 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:51:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904294948:10:03164:17; Fri, 28 Aug 98 09:02:28 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122467; 28 Aug 98 9:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA02389 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:57:17 +0100 Received: from smtp-relay.power.net.uk (antispam.powernet.co.uk [195.60.31.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02384 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:57:02 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust81.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.81]) by smtp-relay.power.net.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA13796 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:57:15 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:14:01 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: B & W photos and colour seps Message-ID: <9312947c48%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <487c5f7625delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <487c5f7625delink@news.wxs.nl> you wrote: > On 25 Aug, David Graddol wrote: > > > I've been loading black and white photos (mug shots) into a > > document and they look OK on screen. But when I view the colour > > seps, I see that there is info on the CMY separations as well > > as the black. In fact, the black separation seems to lack > > tonal gradation. This suggests that the colour separations > > assume that four colour process will be used. Unfortunately > > I will be using black plus a spot colour, and need the photos > > just on black. Is there a setting which I have missed which > > prevents anything appearing on the CMY seps? > > First be sure you loaded a SPRITE format - not JPEG. > Then switch on DUOTONE mode (Picture... Process...) > That's all. > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > Thanks. Tony Tolver of TJ Repro solved the problem for me. You have to select 'No Correction' in the General Preferences-- >colour settings. David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 13:52:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76047 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:52:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904299730:20:19221:17; Fri, 28 Aug 98 10:22:10 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019210; 28 Aug 98 10:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA02617 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:14:37 +0100 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (ns0.bb.u.net.uk [195.102.240.252] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA02612 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:14:26 +0100 Received: from aylwin.u-net.com [195.102.195.94] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0zCKaj-0007Vd-00; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:13:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:10:24 +0100 (BST) From: Jon Aylwin Subject: OPro Upgrades To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Jon Aylwin X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Call me stupid, but I've looked on the Beebug site and can only find an upgrade to version 2.49 - where do you get the much mentioned v 2.50? Cheers -- Jon Aylwin jon@aylwin.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 13:52:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76050 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:52:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904305865:10:18850:21; Fri, 28 Aug 98 12:04:25 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018560; 28 Aug 98 12:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA03152 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:53:20 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA03147 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:53:06 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zC9rl-0004oc-00; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:46:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 22:28:27 GMT Message-Id: <76001@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Maillist news X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've always wanted to say "sorry for the problems we've been twiddling our routers". Anyway the kind people at Barnet have been. So there's been a break in service. Somewhere out there in cyberspace there are at least a few replies from me which will appear soon. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 13:52:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76056 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:52:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904306466:20:00402:24; Fri, 28 Aug 98 12:14:26 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000336; 28 Aug 98 12:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA03270 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:07:16 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA03264 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:07:04 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zBN5X-0000Go-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:40:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 98 18:09:54 GMT Message-Id: <75749@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Odds and ends with grouped frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I produced the shadows by duplicating the frames, which duplicated >downwards and to the right *except* when you do it on the pasteboard, when >it does it to the left! I'd suspect you are hitting the duplicate 'feature' here. This is that duplications do just as you tell them to, until you try to duplicate over the page boundaries, when it sort of bounces them off the edges to keep them within the page. This has caused quite a bit of unhapiness. >but if not, would it be possible to change the size of grouped frames >without changing the space between them? ie two frames grouped as a shadow >didn't change the shadow size when the frame size was changed. This This is a good point, it has come up in other contexts. I can see some obvious snags (its the non-obvious ones I worry about). Clearly if you fix the space between the frames, there is a minimum size? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 13:52:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76055 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:52:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904306335:10:22981:24; Fri, 28 Aug 98 12:12:15 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114360; 28 Aug 98 12:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA03179 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:54:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA03161 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:53:56 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zC9rk-0004oc-00; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:46:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 22:28:14 GMT Message-Id: <75999@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: B & W photos and colour seps X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've been loading black and white photos (mug shots) into a >document and they look OK on screen. But when I view the colour >seps, I see that there is info on the CMY separations as well >as the black. This is a not uncommon question. One point is what sort of image processing mode is set for the picture? by default OPro uses RGB which involves conversion to RGB space and then back to CMYK. Secondly the 'curves' which are used to convert from RGB to CMYK do mix colours onto the CMY plates. They're designed to do that. Solution there then is to use colour choices to switch them off. Finally one workaround that springs to mind is to enable duotoning between black and white, but of course to have these two colours defined in CMYK space - pure K values. Your specific question is quite interesting because it is about greyscale. I think OPro knows nothing about GS images, it just applies the same rules as for RGB ones. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 13:52:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76057 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:52:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904307997:20:15657:17; Fri, 28 Aug 98 12:39:57 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123947; 28 Aug 98 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA03491 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:26:13 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA03483 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:25:46 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCDCz-0000tI-00; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:20:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 01:39:00 GMT Message-Id: <76019@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: border/draw file printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded from the old maillist address From: John Cartmell I'm having problems printing out a page which includes a border and a drawfile (amongst other things). Using 2.50 the border does not print and neither does the lines from the drawfile (but the fills print OK). Using 2.49 the border and the lines print OK - but the version doesn't have the thumbnails option which I am using. The file has printed out OK in the past but I made a mess of my copy of Ovation and produced another one from the downloads. NB both 2.49 and 2.50 are produced from the same copy of 2.46 with the current versions of 2.49 & 2.50 from the web-site. Why the differences and how did I get it to work in the first place? John Cartmell Manchester using Acorn RiscPC & StrongARM David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 13:52:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76058 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:52:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904307985:10:08424:22; Fri, 28 Aug 98 12:39:45 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111166; 28 Aug 98 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA03324 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:11:06 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA03313 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:10:47 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCDD1-0000tI-00; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:20:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 01:39:22 GMT Message-Id: <76021@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: border/drawfile printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Using 2.50 the border does not print and neither does the lines from the >drawfile (but the fills print OK). Using 2.49 the border and the lines >print OK - but the version doesn't have the thumbnails option which I am >using. Getting the thumbnails is just a matter of having the Imposition applet installed. One approach as ever is to wonder if you're comparing like with like. Are the two versions printing at exactly the same size, orientation etc? Because thin lines do tend to vanish under some circumstances. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 15:05:32 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76073 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:05:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904310496:20:13030:20; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:21:36 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110527; 28 Aug 98 13:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA03814 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:07:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03808 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:07:23 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.218) [193.130.245.218] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zB1hX-0002VL-00; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:50:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Aug 98 15:44:27 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Thesaurus as macro (old request) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 24 Aug 98 (12:47:35 +0100), paul@krowdrah.demon.co.uk wrote: > >How exactly do you set up a button in the toolbar to run !Thesaurus? I >have no knowledge of prograaming Macros, but will happily retype if >someone can tell me what yo do... I have:- {string s="thesaurus$running"; if(!getenvs(s)) osclis("wimptask run.!Thesaurus");pause(5)}{'SC_T} (all on one line) ....with a 'T' sprite on the button-bar. HTH -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 15:05:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76074 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:05:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904311595:20:25591:18; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:39:55 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025564; 28 Aug 98 13:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA03854 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:08:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03819 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:07:38 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.193) [193.130.250.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zBgLC-0002FB-00; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:14:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Partridge) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 (13:38:18 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ac Subject: Re: Printing problem with pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 23 Aug 98 (18:04:01 +0100), jeffwallis@xsell.demon.co.uk wrote: > >RiscPC700, non SA, RiscOS 3.6 > >......... > >However I have a problem with printing pictures which I have not been >able to solve. > >I can only print 8bpp sprites in a rectangle frame; attempting to print >8bpp sprites in an irregular frame or 16bpp and 32bpp sprites in any >sort of frame fails, as do 8bpp sprites in a rotated frame, although >8bpp sprites rotated in a non rotated frame are OK. JPEGs don't print >either. > >.......... > >Calligraph A4 - with sprites produces error message 'Message from >Ovation Pro. SpriteExtend: Bad colour translation table. (print >cancelled)' >With JPEGs, no error message but graphic frame is blank > >However, all types of sprites and jpegs 'print' to ArcFax OK > I use a Calligraph, and get similar problems with some of the more recent inventions (e.g., graphics in rotated frames). Are you using the latest Calligraph software (I have v3.21 which I think is still current, although it's far from new)? This seems to fall over less often than its predecessors, although it is much slower at printing a long run. I do sometimes find that a document which fails in my usual mode on the Calligraph, or at high definition, will print with an alternative printer driver setup, so it's worth experimenting with Proof mode instead of SuperTone, etc. By way of consolation, I did have one document which printed perfectly on the Calligraph but failed using !Printers. As far as I know, the Calligraph will not yet print JPEGs, and you have to convert them to sprites in your document. Hope this helps. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- r.k.partridge@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 15:05:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76075 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:05:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904309139:10:20500:17; Fri, 28 Aug 98 12:58:59 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100629; 28 Aug 98 12:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA03337 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:11:53 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA03326 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:11:08 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zBN5a-0000Go-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:41:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 98 18:32:09 GMT Message-Id: <75753@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thesaurus as macro (old request) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Sorry this is an old request- and I know it is in the archives, but I cannot >bear the thought of going through them all to find the answer!!! Well you would of course use a file search utility, which would take all of a minute to find the information for you. It's in the January 1998 archive. >How exactly do you set up a button in the toolbar to run !Thesaurus? I have >no knowledge of prograaming Macros, but will happily retype if someone can >tell me what yo do... This is what it says... hack the !Run file of the thesaurus and bracket the run line at the end with; set thesaurus$running 1 and; unset thesaurus$running Then define a macro (for C_T) with the body {string s="thesaurus$running";if(!getenvs(s)) osclis("wimptask run .!Run")} {pause(5)}{'C_T} There is some more discussion later on in the archive. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 15:05:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76078 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:05:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904312553:20:06289:17; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:55:53 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005612; 28 Aug 98 13:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA04468 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:47:24 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04455 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:47:01 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA23546 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:47:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:47:20 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: OPro Upgrades To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 28 Aug, Jon Aylwin wrote: > Hi > > Call me stupid, but I've looked on the Beebug site and can only find an > upgrade to version 2.49 - where do you get the much mentioned v 2.50? > > Cheers > I think it is still not the official version. You just alter the url to read 2.50 instead of 2.49 then follow the instructions. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 15:05:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76079 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:05:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904309710:10:26210:19; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:08:30 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111769; 28 Aug 98 13:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA03334 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:11:41 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA03321 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:11:02 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zBN5Z-0000Go-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:41:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 98 18:21:32 GMT Message-Id: <75751@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem with pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I can only print 8bpp sprites in a rectangle frame; attempting to print >8bpp sprites in an irregular frame or 16bpp and 32bpp sprites in any sort >of frame fails, as do 8bpp sprites in a rotated frame, although 8bpp >sprites rotated in a non rotated frame are OK. JPEGs don't print either. >Epson Stylus with Turbo Driver - computer locks up, have to use reset >button to recover. Beware the problem that CC drivers have with JPEG's. You've got to enable prescan passes from OvationPro. i.e. change printchoices2(17,0,0,0); in AutoRun.!Choices to printchoices2(8|17,0,0,0); >Laser Direct LBP4 - prints other matter that's on the page but leaves >graphic frame blamk The classic problem with CC drivers and rotated frames or irregular frames is that things print upside down. The cure is to insert the CCPrfix file (latest version on the web site) in the Library directory. >Calligraph A4 - with sprites produces error message 'Message from Ovation >Pro. SpriteExtend: Bad colour translation table. (print cancelled)' >With JPEGs, no error message but graphic frame is blank There do seem to be oddities with Calligraph. Could be worth looking at the maillist archives. >I don't have this problem printing pictures from Impression Publisher. Ah yes, but you're not comparing like with like. I believe that Impression does not import JPEG's (it converts them to sprites and then loads them). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 15:05:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76080 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:05:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904309951:10:28814:18; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:12:31 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028714; 28 Aug 98 13:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA03770 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:04:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03765 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:04:03 +0100 Received: from (bw08.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.245.240] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zB6Hx-0007k1-00; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:44:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:54:48 +0100 Message-ID: <487ad55ddcstephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Search & Replace with added effects/style Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello all, Whilst correcting a large document recently, I came across the problem of not being able to globally add an effect or style to certain words. For example, I needed to replace all occurrences of "etal." with "et al.", with the effect set to italic. Faced with the possibility of having to go through the document manually to replace each occurrence of this string, I decided to have a go at writing a small applet that would do the job automatically. What I wrote was SRWE (search and replace with effect). Basically it is a simple search a replace utility that enables you to specify the effect or style you wish to use for the replace string. It also enables you to search for words in one particular style, and you can use simple key macros in the replace string, for example: to replace all occurrences of ml^-1 with cm^-3, you would simply search for ml-1 and then use the replace string cm{CS_=}-3 The applet was written in a bit of a hurry, but it does what it was design to do and I haven't had any problems with it... yet. I have only tested the applet on OP 2.50 but I think it should also work on OP 2.48. You can find the applet SRWE at the web address: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown/SRWE.zip Steve. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 15:05:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76081 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:05:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904310355:10:02843:24; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:19:15 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002556; 28 Aug 98 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA03999 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:17:05 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03993 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:16:46 +0100 Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zBFrH-0003cc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:57:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:54:38 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Tabs Wishlist To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I echo Ray Daswon's request about the tab window not opening over the ruler I want to change... Also, would it be possible to assign a number/some kind of identifier to a ruler, so that you could literally copy/paste a chosen ruler with the tab settings? This would be very useful indeed- the old BBC Interword used to do it! You could then have for example... Text block using ruler 1 Text block using ruler 2 Text block using ruler 3 Text block using ruler 1 (copied from above) and so forth... Just an idea, but very useful when writing long documents with lost of different indentations for quotes, bullets etc. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 18:43:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76095 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 18:43:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904319029:10:01281:23; Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:43:49 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107552; 28 Aug 98 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05289 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:13:32 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05270 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:12:12 +0100 Received: from userl972.uk.uudial.com (193.149.77.23) [193.149.77.23] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCPGK-0006XV-00; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:12:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:07:46 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: A4 labels problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I think a similar problem has been discussed before: if so I've lost the answer... I make up a document with a master page containing 7 rows of 3 across 2.5" x 1.5" labels. OK: link each one to the next so that a file of addresses with page returns dropped onto the first label 'ripples through' and fills the page with one address per label. The problem is that when the listing reaches the last label on the page it overflows rather than goes on to a new page. How does the concept of the 'master frame' being the one to throw a new page work when there are 21 little frames on the master page? I just can't get a link running on to the new page. Any ideas? -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 18:43:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76100 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 18:43:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904323204:20:02488:37; Fri, 28 Aug 98 16:53:24 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002411; 28 Aug 98 16:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA05687 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:18:16 +0100 Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05679 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:17:47 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:17:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:22:24 +0100 Message-ID: <487cc0c906C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: A4 labels problem In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Aug, Dr A G Gray wrote: > I think a similar problem has been discussed before: if so I've lost the > answer... > I make up a document with a master page containing 7 rows of 3 across > 2.5" x 1.5" labels. > OK: link each one to the next so that a file of addresses with page > returns dropped onto the first label 'ripples through' and fills the > page with one address per label. > The problem is that when the listing reaches the last label on the > page it overflows rather than goes on to a new page. > How does the concept of the 'master frame' being the one to throw a > new page work when there are 21 little frames on the master page? I > just can't get a link running on to the new page. > Any ideas? On the master page the *last* label must be linked BACK to the *first* label. New pages will then be thrown as per normal. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 21:01:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76108 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 21:01:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904330562:10:22124:17; Fri, 28 Aug 98 18:56:02 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022110; 28 Aug 98 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA06274 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:43:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA06261 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:43:33 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCSYu-0000f5-00; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:43:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:14:55 GMT Message-Id: <76084@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: spellcheck quirk X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >From john@thirteen.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 28 13:51:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76040 for oprolist ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:51:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for oprolist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904303900:10:00734:1; Fri, 28 Aug 98 11:31:40 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000702; 28 Aug 98 11:31 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA03545 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:30:57 +0100 Received: from [158.152.211.14] (helo=thirteen.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zBBaa-0004e7-00 for owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 05:24:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Hollier To: owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:35:57 +0100 Message-ID: <487abdaae0john@thirteen.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Spellcheck quirk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Using Spellcheck with OvationPro 2.49 (and earlier versions) When a spelling error is found with check as you type enabled and Replace is selected from the spellcheck window, the red underline is cleared. If =90Add=91 or =90Ignore=91 is selected, the underline remains. However, if a menu or another window is dragged across the word, the underline is erased! This suggests the retained underline is incorrect and should have cleared. I would prefer the line to go away in all the above cases. Anyone know if it's possible? John Hollier -- John D Hollier Canterbury UK David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 21:01:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76109 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 21:01:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904327307:20:13523:24; Fri, 28 Aug 98 18:01:47 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117447; 28 Aug 98 18:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA06065 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:00:19 +0100 Received: from mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de (mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.195.194.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06060 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:00:07 +0100 Received: from iserlohn.netsurf.de (letmathe11.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.233.64.171]) by mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA29790 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:27:49 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:01:26 +0200 (MESZ) From: march Subject: Re: OPro Upgrades To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro hi! > > Call me stupid, but I've looked on the Beebug site and can only find an > > upgrade to version 2.49 - where do you get the much mentioned v 2.50? > > > I think it is still not the official version. You just alter the url to read > 2.50 instead of 2.49 then follow the instructions. while you are mentioning that ... my version of OvationPro is 2.46g [18.06.97], it is a *german* version. how is the right way to update this? *wait* for UCS, or is it possible to just update by Beebugs site? best regards, march. -- allez java! / march@fxweb.de / http://www.fxweb.de/ 287,5 MHz / 64+2 MB / 4 GB / 64 kbit/s / 1 savior. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 22:10:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76124 for opro ; Fri, 28 Aug 98 22:10:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904335101:20:01272:17; Fri, 28 Aug 98 20:11:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001230; 28 Aug 98 20:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA06556 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:09:34 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA06551 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:09:20 +0100 Received: from (xsell.demon.co.uk) [194.222.150.247] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCTty-0005HH-00; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:09:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:50:56 +0100 (BST) From: Jeff Wallis Subject: Re: Printing problem with pictures To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <75751@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Thank you for your reply - no success yet I'm afraid I made the changes and rebooted the computer but it made no difference to the problem > > > >Epson Stylus with Turbo Driver - computer locks up, have to use reset > >button to recover. > > Beware the problem that CC drivers have with JPEG's. You've got to > enable prescan passes from OvationPro. > > i.e. change > > printchoices2(17,0,0,0); > > in AutoRun.!Choices to > > printchoices2(8|17,0,0,0); > > Is this correct ? The bar character after the 8 ? Changed the line to that but it made no difference to printing problem. > >Laser Direct LBP4 - prints other matter that's on the page but leaves > >graphic frame blamk > > The classic problem with CC drivers and rotated frames or irregular > frames is that things print upside down. The cure is to insert > the CCPrfix file (latest version on the web site) in the Library > directory. > Couldn't find this file - whose web page is it on ? I found a file in my !Boot.Choices.Printers directory called CCPrintFix - looking at the contents in Zap shows the text 'CCPrintersFix 0.01' - is this the file ? I moved it to !Boot.Library but it hasn't made any difference. > > >Calligraph A4 - with sprites produces error message 'Message from Ovation > >Pro. SpriteExtend: Bad colour translation table. (print cancelled)' > >With JPEGs, no error message but graphic frame is blank > > There do seem to be oddities with Calligraph. Could be worth > looking at the maillist archives. > I think I'll try and sort out Laser Direct and Epson first, but thanks for the suggestion > > >I don't have this problem printing pictures from Impression Publisher. > > Ah yes, but you're not comparing like with like. I believe that Impression > does not import JPEG's (it converts them to sprites and then loads them). Yes, this is correct but the point I was trying to make was that if the various printers and drivers I'm using work OK with Impression Pub+ but not with Ovation Pro it seemed to my simple soul that the problem must lie with Ovation Pro. As a next step I am going to acquire the latest versions of the LaserDirect and Turbo drivers and see if that helps. In the meantime if you have any further suggestions I'd be grateful. -- Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 01:44:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76131 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 01:44:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904338769:10:27249:17; Fri, 28 Aug 98 21:12:49 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027219; 28 Aug 98 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA06815 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:11:50 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA06810 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:11:38 +0100 Received: from usero594.uk.uudial.com (193.149.89.102) [193.149.89.102] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCUsI-0005qT-00; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:11:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:24:48 +0100 Message-ID: <487cd17bb4charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Maillist news In-Reply-To: <76001@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 27 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > Anyway the kind people at Barnet have been. So there's been a break > in service. Somewhere out there in cyberspace there are at least a > few replies from me which will appear soon. I think that is called in technical term "breathing space", David ;) -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 03:22:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76163 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 03:22:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904355322:10:25697:20; Sat, 29 Aug 98 01:48:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025640; 29 Aug 98 1:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA07290 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 01:48:01 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA07285 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 01:47:49 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCZ91-0001mi-00; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:45:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 22:13:27 GMT Message-Id: <76127@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem with pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Thank you for your reply - no success yet I'm afraid I made the changes >and rebooted the computer but it made no difference to the problem >> printchoices2(8|17,0,0,0); >Is this correct ? The bar character after the 8 ? Changed the line to that >but it made no difference to printing problem. Yes, that is a bar. Lets be clear this is the fix for JPEG's and the CC Laser/Turbo drivers. It fixes that one specific problem and it does fix it. It may fail of course if you don't have new enough versions of those drivers. Oh and there's a footnote, on Laser Direct alone the JPEG has to be near the bottom of the page. (see the August 1987 mail list archive on the Beebug web site for a complete explanation of all the details). And trying to print a JPEG from Draw is a useful test. >Couldn't find this file - whose web page is it on? www.beebug.com >I found a file in my >!Boot.Choices.Printers directory called CCPrintFix - looking at the >contents in Zap shows the text 'CCPrintersFix 0.01' - is this the file ? >I moved it to !Boot.Library but it hasn't made any difference. Argh! No thats nothing to do with OPro, put it back. I'm talking about; !OvnPro.Library.CCprfix (when its there). There is an older one supplied on the OPro release discs. >Yes, this is correct but the point I was trying to make was that if the >various printers and drivers I'm using work OK with Impression Pub+ but not >with Ovation Pro it seemed to my simple soul that the problem must lie with >Ovation Pro. If you remove JPEG's from the argument then, you have a fair point. It's not quite that simple, because for example with the pictures in irregular frames, OPro uses a perfectly legitimate RISC OS call. CC have chosen to implement it wrongly. What I also meant was that they needed to be the same sprites that you printed in both programs. Some printer drivers have problems with e.g very large sprites. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 14:34:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76166 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 14:34:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904367145:20:16856:17; Sat, 29 Aug 98 05:05:45 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105486; 29 Aug 98 5:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA07519 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:03:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA07514 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:03:25 +0100 Received: from userb761.uk.uudial.com (193.149.83.236) [193.149.83.236] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCcEu-0002z9-00; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:03:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 19:27:47 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: A4 labels problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 28 Aug 98 (16:22:24 +0100), c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: ....after my hopeless trials with 'continuous' labels: >On the master page the *last* label must be linked BACK to the *first* >label. New pages will then be thrown as per normal. Wonderful: so simple: so perfect... Now why didn't *I* think of that ;-( Ta. -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 14:34:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76173 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 14:34:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904381488:10:26012:19; Sat, 29 Aug 98 09:04:48 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025978; 29 Aug 98 9:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07739 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:04:40 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07734 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:04:29 +0100 Received: by trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:04:56 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:22:07 +0100 Message-ID: <487cdc39b1bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OPro Upgrades In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 28 Aug, march wrote: > while you are mentioning that ... > my version of OvationPro is 2.46g [18.06.97], it is a *german* > version. I have exactly the same version! ;-) > how is the right way to update this? > *wait* for UCS, or is it possible to just update by Beebugs site? I've upgraded to 2.48, 2.49 and 2.50 without any *major* problems. Do it like it is told for English versions. Then in the final stage of the update you get an error message saying that the CRC of the !RunImage is incorrect, but nevertheless the update works fine. It's just because it's the German !RunImage. I hope this helps. If not, then you may drop me an email in German if you wish! ;-) Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM Never get between a programmer and the coffee machine -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 14:35:12 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76180 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 14:35:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904392484:20:14898:17; Sat, 29 Aug 98 12:08:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125775; 29 Aug 98 12:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07997 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:07:32 +0100 Received: from atlantica.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07986 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:07:11 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (gatelu1-120.access.ch [195.112.70.149]) by atlantica.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.06pri) id NAA25531 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:07:37 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:02:59 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Tabs Wishlist To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 25 Aug, Paul Hutton wrote: > Dear all > snip > Also, would it be possible to assign a number/some kind of identifier to a > ruler, so that you could literally copy/paste a chosen ruler with the tab > settings? This would be very useful indeed- the old BBC Interword used to > do it! > > You could then have for example... > > Text block using ruler 1 > > Text block using ruler 2 > snip some more The roundabout way I use is to have an OP document with several paragraphs named Rx (x = 1, 2,... meaning Ruler1, Ruler 2, ...) etc. and eventually on a second line some details how the ruler settings are for these 2 lines of text. I then copy the 1st line (C) from this document to the working document, delete the letters R1 and then have a Ruler setting as chosen. Follows a demo: R1 L 1 T T D R RR R2 L 1 T C R RR L is left margin, 1 is 1st ident, T is standard left Tab, D is decimal tab, C is centre tab, R is right tab and RR is end margin. Of course do place the letters where the tabs are ;-) Only one important thing: This "ruler-document" should have the same width as your working document. Hope this helps JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 14:35:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76181 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 14:35:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904392540:20:15168:17; Sat, 29 Aug 98 12:09:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125824; 29 Aug 98 12:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07998 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:07:35 +0100 Received: from atlantica.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07990 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:07:13 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (gatelu1-120.access.ch [195.112.70.149]) by atlantica.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.06pri) id NAA25621 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:07:40 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:27:50 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Printing problem with pictures To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <75751@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 25 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > snip > > i.e. change > > printchoices2(17,0,0,0); > > in AutoRun.!Choices to > > printchoices2(8|17,0,0,0); > snip the rest I do not know whether somewhere I missed something, but wanting to try JPEG printing without and then with the proposed change in the !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Choices I discovered that in all the versions from and including 2.46 to 2.50 my setting reads printchoices2(16,0,0,0) (16 instead of 17) And I have no problems printing a document with a JPEG file at the near top of the page using a LBP4 direct printer with CC's turbo driver. And the same positive results when printing to a BJC-620 colour printer with CC's turbo driver. I use a RiscPC-SA, OS 3.70. -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 15:37:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76206 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 15:37:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904397785:10:02564:22; Sat, 29 Aug 98 13:36:25 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127999; 29 Aug 98 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA08218 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:36:35 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA08206 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:36:12 +0100 Received: from (ilfprep) [194.222.45.155] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCkFF-0002UL-00; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:36:41 +0000 From:(Terry Worton) Organization: Ilford Preparatory School Message-ID: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Upgrades References: Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:48:13 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro march wrote: > my version of OvationPro is 2.46g [18.06.97], it is a *german* version. We have the network version, 2.46n and the upgrade from the website works fine. -- Terry Worton -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 17:01:12 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76209 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 17:01:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904405597:20:18840:17; Sat, 29 Aug 98 15:46:37 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018808; 29 Aug 98 15:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08471 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:40:41 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA08449 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:39:58 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCmB1-00061G-00; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:40:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 98 15:04:04 GMT Message-Id: <76197@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Upgrades X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >German OPro I would guess these can be upgraded using the UK patches. So it is interesting that you've confirmed that. But I think doing the patch will mean that you can no longer use your German templates etc. The suppliers of the German version do have a proper German to German version patch... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 17:28:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76222 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 17:28:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904407519:10:05541:20; Sat, 29 Aug 98 16:18:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115518; 29 Aug 98 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08474 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:40:45 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA08453 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:40:00 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCmB3-00061G-00; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:40:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 98 15:06:37 GMT Message-Id: <76199@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tabs Wishlist X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >rulers Isn't all this a good place to use named styles, which just apply a new tab ruler? A useful adjunct to the hint you just gave about copying rulers from another document is a little known OPro feature, if you have the caret in some text, and then shift+adjust click over another paragraph in the same document the paragraph attributes will be copied to the paragraph with the caret. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 17:28:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76223 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 17:28:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904406570:20:26490:21; Sat, 29 Aug 98 16:02:50 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118681; 29 Aug 98 16:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA08528 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:03:41 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA08523 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:03:25 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCmXi-0001Ft-00; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:03:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:37:55 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Tabs Wishlist In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch writes >On Tue 25 Aug, Paul Hutton wrote: >> Dear all > >> snip > >> Also, would it be possible to assign a number/some kind of identifier to a >> ruler, so that you could literally copy/paste a chosen ruler with the tab >> settings? This would be very useful indeed- the old BBC Interword used to >> do it! >> [snips..] I just define various styles with everything except the rulers set to "don't care". I find it works very well. Have I misunderstood your requrement? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 17:28:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76224 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 17:28:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904407960:20:07041:17; Sat, 29 Aug 98 16:26:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006896; 29 Aug 98 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08475 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:40:46 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA08457 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:40:01 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCmB5-00061G-00; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:40:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 98 15:11:15 GMT Message-Id: <76201@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem with pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >!OvnPro.AutoRun.!Choices I discovered that in all the versions from and >including 2.46 to 2.50 my setting reads > printchoices2(16,0,0,0) (16 instead of 17) Well you still stick in 8|. All I'm trying to say in a simple way is "set bit 3", which contributes 8 (two raised to the power 3 is 8), and we don't add it, but instead orr it in. >And I have no problems printing a document with a JPEG file at the near top >of the page using a LBP4 direct printer with CC's turbo driver. Ah, where were you when everyone was shouting about this being a most dreadful bug in OPro? 8-) Maybe you have very new or old versions of the drivers. I just wonder if your copy of OPro might be set up to convert JPEG's to sprites automatically when you load them. It may be of interest to some people that things can be set up that way. I think the !Custom file inside OPro explains this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 29 18:10:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76226 for opro ; Sat, 29 Aug 98 18:10:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904409088:20:15009:17; Sat, 29 Aug 98 16:44:48 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014987; 29 Aug 98 16:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08476 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:40:52 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA08463 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:40:04 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCmB6-00061G-00; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:40:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 98 15:20:35 GMT Message-Id: <76203@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Screen redraws X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded after expurgation From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Greetings one and all! At long last I installed the new window manager last week (3.98). I used to occasionally get the odd failure to redraw and black 'edges' with OvationPro 2.50. Now the failure to redraw problem is there every time I select a chunk of text in order to set its style. obscured (by the style menu) text remains blank when the selection is made and two or three lines at the end of a selected area are not redrawn (they remain 'white on black'). Only scrolling the offending area off the screen forces the redraws correctly when scrolled back. I don't know whether the problem is due to the fact that I type material using StrongEd and, when I have the text correct to my satisfaction, I drop it into Ovaton Pro for style setting, etc. Has anyone else had this problem with the new Window Manager in RSCOS 3.70? It doesn't happen with 3.60! Keith Hopper -- City Desk Public PGP key available on request David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 31 00:49:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76238 for opro ; Mon, 31 Aug 98 00:49:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904459052:10:25536:17; Sun, 30 Aug 98 06:37:32 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100891; 30 Aug 98 6:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA09605 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 06:37:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA09600 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 06:37:35 +0100 Received: from (arcade.demon.co.uk) [158.152.17.41] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zD0Bp-00071W-00; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 05:38:13 +0000 Date: 29 Aug 1998 11:30:02 +0100 Message-ID: <980830063644@arcade.demon.co.uk> From:(Matthew Hambley) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: A general spelling wish list Organization: Arcade - The Definitive Acorn BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: ArcadeLink Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Origin: echo One thing which I have always missed from Impressions spelling checker is the "Guess again" button. This allows you to make another crack at spelling the word and then have the checker try to work out what you're talking about. At the moment if I make a mistake which is so severe it prevents the checker guessing what I was driving at I have to switch to 'Browse' mode and keep guessing until I find the word I'm after. Am I the only person looking for this sort of thing and would it be dificult to implement Mr P? On a related not, I think a system which recognises words you have misspelt in a consistant manner and offers the correction you chose last time as the first option would be handy. A "Correct this spelling throughout document" would also be handy. Basically just a search and replace on your misspelling, substituting the corrected spelling. (\/)atthew ....Willpower is the ability to eat one salted peanut -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 31 00:49:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76241 for opro ; Mon, 31 Aug 98 00:49:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904425708:20:20850:22; Sat, 29 Aug 98 21:21:48 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120530; 29 Aug 98 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA09177 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:15:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA09172 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:15:18 +0100 Received: from userm689.uk.uudial.com (echos) [193.149.79.231] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCrPa-0005Hj-00; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:15:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000201bdd3cc$99f373e0$e74f95c1@echos> From: "Ray Dawson" To: Subject: Re: A4 labels problem Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:02:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Dr A G Gray To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 28 August 1998 07:40 Subject: A4 labels problem >I think a similar problem has been discussed before: if so I've lost the >answer... > >I make up a document with a master page containing 7 rows of 3 across 2.5" x >1.5" labels. > >OK: link each one to the next so that a file of addresses with page returns >dropped onto the first label 'ripples through' and fills the page with one >address per label. > >The problem is that when the listing reaches the last label on the page it >overflows rather than goes on to a new page. On the master page, link the last frame back to the first. This will make the pages flow onto the next instead of overflowing. Ray D -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 31 00:49:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76243 for opro ; Mon, 31 Aug 98 00:49:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904465923:20:10597:24; Sun, 30 Aug 98 08:32:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117766; 30 Aug 98 8:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA09756 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:26:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA09751 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:25:51 +0100 Received: from userl050.uk.uudial.com (193.149.73.117) [193.149.73.117] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zD1sb-0002aB-00; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:26:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:21:56 +0100 Message-ID: <487d9c77cfdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: A general spelling wish list In-Reply-To: <980830063644@arcade.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 29 Aug, Matthew Hambley wrote: [Snippy] > On a related not, I think a system which recognises words you have > misspelt in a consistant manner and offers the correction you chose last > time as the first option would be handy. A "Correct this spelling > throughout document" would also be handy. Basically just a search and > replace on your misspelling, substituting the corrected spelling. > (\/)atthew Ooooer! The tales of what happens when you have global replacements of a misspelt word are legend... and dangerous, leading to all sorts of wonderful anecdotal tales. The one that always makes me laugh, is of a sexually explicit story, (It was in a Genre where plumbing had more importance than intelectual content), where unfortunately, one instance of the word cock, that was correctly replaced with chicken, was unbeknown to the author globally replaced throughout the story... I need say no more... ;-) BTW... Although now legend... it is based on a factual occurrence. So beware... :-) Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.09g -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 31 00:50:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76252 for opro ; Mon, 31 Aug 98 00:50:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904481279:10:14558:24; Sun, 30 Aug 98 12:47:59 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014518; 30 Aug 98 12:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA10131 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:46:46 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10125 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:46:23 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p36-max2.ham.ihug.co.nz [202.49.253.100]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:55:05 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: A general spelling wish list To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <980830063644@arcade.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB10131 Sounds good to me Matthew, particularly as i consistantly misspell and have little idea what the correct spelling is, I use David P's Spell for lots of other functions... like e-mail when i feel it is important to spell correctly... and yes.. Guess has not always got the correct option.. usually because i have a glaring error but sometimes just a little thing like having the first vowel incorrect.. Brows works but i often have to search a long list before i find it... Therefore the improvements you suggest would be a big bonus for me.. On Sat 29 Aug, Matthew Hambley wrote: > Origin: echo > One thing which I have always missed from Impressions spelling checker = is the > "Guess again" button. This allows you to make another crack at spellin= g the > word and then have the checker try to work out what you're talking abou= t. At > the moment if I make a mistake which is so severe it prevents the check= er > guessing what I was driving at I have to switch to 'Browse' mode and ke= ep > guessing until I find the word I'm after. Am I the only person looking= for > this sort of thing and would it be dificult to implement Mr P? >=20 > On a related not, I think a system which recognises words you have miss= pelt in > a consistant manner and offers the correction you chose last time as th= e first > option would be handy. A "Correct this spelling throughout document" w= ould > also be handy. Basically just a search and replace on your misspelling= , > substituting the corrected spelling. >=20 > (\/)atthew >=20 > ...Willpower is the ability to eat one salted peanut >=20 >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... Ren=E9 Turner ..Survivor 82... Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz=20 H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury.org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 31 00:51:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76256 for opro ; Mon, 31 Aug 98 00:51:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904506226:20:05309:17; Sun, 30 Aug 98 19:43:46 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122530; 30 Aug 98 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA10627 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:36:20 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10622 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:36:05 +0100 Received: by trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:36:37 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:30:30 +0100 Message-ID: <487ddf2be9bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OPro Upgrades In-Reply-To: <76197@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 29 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >German OPro > I would guess these can be upgraded using the UK patches. > So it is interesting that you've confirmed that. > But I think doing the patch will mean that you can > no longer use your German templates etc. In fact I *never* used them! It was the first thing I asked for: an English Message and Template file! ;-) I only ordered the German version to get a German spell checker! But I *hate* the desktop pretending to be German! Perhaps you all can't understand that, but some translations sound just too silly! > The suppliers of the German version do have a proper > German to German version patch... Yes, and it takes *ages* until you get them. :-/ Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM 1/2: One half the value, i.e.: 1/2, X/2, PS/2, OS/2, ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 31 00:53:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76264 for opro ; Mon, 31 Aug 98 00:53:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904521255:10:22654:17; Sun, 30 Aug 98 23:54:15 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118762; 30 Aug 98 23:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA11128 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:42:16 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA11122 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:42:04 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zDGAv-0000k3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:42:21 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:42:19 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Screen redraws To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <000301bdd4a4$029b5020$285595c1@echos> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 30 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > >Greetings one and all! > > At long last I installed the new window manager last week (3.98). I > >used to occasionally get the odd failure to redraw and black 'edges' with > >OvationPro 2.50. Now the failure to redraw problem is there every time I > >select a chunk of text in order to set its style. obscured (by the style > >menu) text remains blank when the selection is made and two or three > >lines at the end of a selected area are not redrawn (they remain 'white on > >black'). Only scrolling the offending area off the screen forces the > >redraws correctly when scrolled back. > > > I have the same and other similar symptoms with window manager 3.98 > > If I embed a frame, it doesn't appear until I press F12 then return to force > a redraw. I've come to accept it as 'one of those things', and just redraw > the screen as above. > This *might* be a problem associated with my EndNotes applet, which sometimes forgets to force a redraw of the current view when things are copied or pasted. I'm just testing a substantially improved version which interfaces with a new applet which manages cross references. (The new EndNotes also allows one stream of notes per chapter rather than one per document). Offers to test one or both before I release them garetfully accepted ... -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 31 00:55:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA76266 for opro ; Mon, 31 Aug 98 00:55:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 904518129:20:02910:17; Sun, 30 Aug 98 23:02:09 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002866; 30 Aug 98 23:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA11066 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:57:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA11061 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:57:07 +0100 Received: from usern515.uk.uudial.com (echos) [193.149.85.40] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zDFTt-0005KR-00; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:57:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000301bdd4a4$029b5020$285595c1@echos> From: "Ray Dawson" To: Subject: Re: Screen redraws Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:31:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Greetings one and all! > At long last I installed the new window manager last week (3.98). I >used to occasionally get the odd failure to redraw and black 'edges' with >OvationPro 2.50. Now the failure to redraw problem is there every time I >select a chunk of text in order to set its style. obscured (by the style >menu) text remains blank when the selection is made and two or three >lines at the end of a selected area are not redrawn (they remain 'white on >black'). Only scrolling the offending area off the screen forces the >redraws correctly when scrolled back. I have the same and other similar symptoms with window manager 3.98 If I embed a frame, it doesn't appear until I press F12 then return to force a redraw. I've come to accept it as 'one of those things', and just redraw the screen as above. Ray D -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message