From don.lewis@bristol.ac.uk Tue Jun 30 13:59:00 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71097 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 30 Jun 98 13:58:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899196767:10:08373:8; Tue, 30 Jun 98 08:52:47 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.51]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008308; 30 Jun 98 8:52 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:50:07 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA05771 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:49:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:49:17 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: little things To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980630.033140.39@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] > .... It's a little thing > but it makes a great deal of difference ... One other little thing that Publisher did and I found useful! If you write a paragraph consisting only of a single short line which included tab(s) within it and set the para to right justified, then everything after the last tab becomes justified right and everything else to the left. i.e One line of text date becomes One line of text date I found ths very convenient for producing certain types of headers etc. (although the centre justify might have been the more logical *if* this were planned). Is there any chance of such a facility in OvaP - or would it interfere with more legitimate uses of line formatting? Don Lewis Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School Fax 9288923 University Walk, Bristol, BS8 1TD From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Tue Jun 30 13:59:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71110 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 30 Jun 98 13:59:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899197165:20:19108:1; Tue, 30 Jun 98 08:59:25 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018942; 30 Jun 98 8:59 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 09:59:06 BST Message-Id: <11521.9806300859@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Tue, 30 Jun 98 09:59:06 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Is it possible / easy to combine the side & bottom toolboxes into 1 box at the bottom? If so how? Thanks John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From sb@finalscore.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 30 13:58:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71095 for ovation-1 ; Tue, 30 Jun 98 13:58:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovation-1@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899192984:10:06254:0; Tue, 30 Jun 98 07:49:44 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006250; 30 Jun 98 7:49 GMT Received: from (finalscore.demon.co.uk) [194.222.250.118] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yqvAd-0002bp-00; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:49:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:50:29 +0000 (GMT) From: "Stephen T. Byrne" Subject: Background tints To: David Pilling Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Final Score, 01484-866589, fax 01484-860433 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Re background tints: If Sam Penn has been using Impressions in the past he will probably have Tablemate. Using this it is possible to create tables with different cell & text colours. This can be dropped into OP easily enough. Hope this solves the problem. -- >From sb@finalscore.demon.co.uk From henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl Tue Jun 30 17:03:03 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71147 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 30 Jun 98 17:03:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899222541:20:19139:0; Tue, 30 Jun 98 16:02:21 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.2]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019122; 30 Jun 98 16:02 GMT Received: from beeldwerk.demon.nl ([195.173.238.105]) by post.demon.nl id aa0002094; 30 Jun 98 17:52 MET DST Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:51:07 +0200 (BST) From: Henk Huinen Subject: Re: Active icons in top toolbox? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980630.033153.90@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Henk Huinen, Stg Creatief Beeldwerk, Bavel, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Tue 30 Jun, Paul Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Mr Fussychops here again. > > 1. I have removed my toolbox at the side and have successfully got the > icons in my top toolbox, but how can I get them to turn orange to show they > are active (eg frame tool, select/link/crop/rectangle/ellipse frame tools? > > I have copied both sets of the sprites into UK. Buttons and Buttons22; so I > have for example: t_select and t_pselect. > > 2. Is it possible to have the dialogue boxes (x/y width etc) from the > bottom toolbox also in the top toolbox. > > Basically I only want one toolbox, at the top with the best of all three > toolboxes there. > > Any suggestions warmly welcomed! > > MTIA I just placed the 'bottom' toolbar ON the top toolbar. (I made this top toolbar as broad as three buttons). When you save this page as default each time you open, all the tools will be on top of your toolbar. Allthough the 'bottom' toolbox (which is now on top) will still be removable it now has it's own place on top, with all the 'orange' functions', etc, on it. Still I agree it would be a better idea if you could really fix all the buttons -working correctly- on top. Henk Huinen -- Stichting Creatief Beeldwerk Henk Huinen, Haarbeemd 59, 4854MH Bavel, The Netherlands E-mail: henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl http://www.beeldwerk.demon.nl -- s t i c h t i n g _ _ ._ _ _._|_ o _ _|_ |_ _ _ | _| _ ._ | (_ | (/_(_| |_ |(/_ | |_)(/_(/_|(_|\/\/(/_| |< From martinv@ucs.de Tue Jun 30 18:54:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71150 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 30 Jun 98 18:54:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899223184:20:25575:6; Tue, 30 Jun 98 16:13:04 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de ([194.77.23.26]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120788; 30 Jun 98 16:12 GMT Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA19547 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:12:47 +0200 Message-Id: <199806301612.SAA19547@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: 30 Jun 1998 07:28:05 GMT Subject: Re: Changing order of items MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >How do you change the order of items in the program menu on the bar; [snap] Look into the Applet itself (!Statnry.Library.Statnry) there is a line near the end reading: index = statnry_findmenuentry(info_handle, "Quit"); Just enter the menu entry's name You want to go before. Hope that helps a bit. Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 1 02:01:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71188 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Jul 98 02:01:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899242039:10:07345:0; Tue, 30 Jun 98 21:27:19 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007336; 30 Jun 98 21:27 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yr7vo-0003kt-00; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:27:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 21:04:47 GMT Message-Id: <71181@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" >One other little thing that Publisher did and I found useful! >One line of text date >becomes >One line of text date Nice idea, but I'd think it confusing. It's yet another special case. From: Martin Vethake >[snip] >How do you change the order of items in the program menu on the bar; >is a line near the end reading: > index = statnry_findmenuentry(info_handle, "Quit"); Good point, but it does assume the thing you insert before is loaded before this script executes. Maillist News ------------- Netlink don't want to host maillists anymore. Does anyone have any recommendations for UK companies who do this? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 1 02:02:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71192 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Jul 98 02:02:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899251346:20:14618:4; Wed, 01 Jul 98 00:02:26 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118108; 1 Jul 98 0:02 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrALt-0005yc-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:02:21 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:04:31 GMT Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:58:58 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Background tints Message-ID: <2a4e675e48%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980630.033134.11@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d In message <19980630.033134.11@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Is it possible to apply background colour to a line of text, > in such a way that it colours the entire line, plus linespace > (leading?) between lines? > > I'm trying to apply a background tint to rows of a table, > Is this currently doable, or if not, could it go on the > (probably very long) OP wish list please...? This is the type of thing best done in an app that allows more control of individual elements ie Draw or Artworks. I think if you could do this with publisher then you were just lucky, I doubt it was designed for that. Make the table in !Draw and put it in its own frame in OPro. Its then easily editable with OLE. One of the great benefits of RISC OS is the ability to use many progs at the same time and save data between them. Theres not much point spending time making OPro do something !Draw does so well already. Kevin. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From pixeleye@online.no Wed Jul 1 13:44:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71234 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Jul 98 13:44:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899261918:20:19453:0; Wed, 01 Jul 98 02:58:38 GMT Received: from pilt.online.no ([193.212.1.34]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019447; 1 Jul 98 2:58 GMT Received: from pixeleye.online.no (ti01a22-0119.dialup.online.no [130.67.10.119]) by online.no (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA03695 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:58:34 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 05:42:00 +0100 (GMT+1) From: "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" Subject: Left/right justify on same line (was: Re: Various) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980701.025856.80@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Sometimes. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Wed 01 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" > > >One other little thing that Publisher did and I found useful! > >One line of text date > >becomes > >One line of text date > > Nice idea, but I'd think it confusing. It's yet another special case. Nya, well, it *is* easier than fooling around with an extra frame for the "date" bit which text must be vertically aligned to the "One line of text" bit, tricky without "lock to grid" in basestyle. I'd say go fer it if it's not too much of a hassle. :) -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. From andy.ling@quantel.com Wed Jul 1 13:44:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71236 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Jul 98 13:44:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899281172:20:17120:2; Wed, 01 Jul 98 08:19:32 GMT Received: from pop3.hiway.co.uk ([195.12.1.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117154; 1 Jul 98 8:19 GMT Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by pop3.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA10284 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:19:23 +0100 From: Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id JAA10735 for INET:ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:17:26 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <00256634.0032A090.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:20:00 +0000 Subject: Re: Various Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. >Netlink don't want to host maillists anymore. Does anyone have any >recommendations for UK companies who do this? The Opus mail list for Sibelius users is hosted by argonet. I don't know if it uses majordomo, but it seems to work with minimal intervention from Ian Beswick the list maintainer. If you want more information I'm sure Ian would be happy to help you. He can be contacted at maillist.beswick@argonet.co.uk Andy Ling From arpie@argonet.co.uk Wed Jul 1 13:44:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71237 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Jul 98 13:44:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899283203:20:04756:3; Wed, 01 Jul 98 08:53:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122688; 1 Jul 98 8:53 GMT Received: from (be65.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.250.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrIdV-0004lM-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:53:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 09:16:13 +0000 From: Arpie To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: little things Message-ID: <7cc6c05e48%Arpie@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980701.025822.63@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: Arpie@argonet.co.uk X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Dr. D. M. Lewis wrote: > > One other little thing that Publisher did and I found useful! > If you write a paragraph consisting only of a single short line which > included tab(s) within it and set the para to right justified, then > everything after the last tab becomes justified right and everything > else to the left. i.e > > One line of text date > > becomes > > One line of text date Am I missing something here? Why not just use a right justified tab for the second tab - you'd have to put it in a different place tho'. This would achieve similar, if not identical, results. Cheers, Russ -- ___ ____ ____ ____ ___ | \ | || ||_ _|| _| Russell Palmer | |\ \ | ^ || ^__| _||_ | |_ arpie@argonet.co.uk | _ \|_|\_\|_| |____|| |_ |_| \_\ |___| From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Wed Jul 1 13:44:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71241 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Jul 98 13:44:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899293104:20:00907:2; Wed, 01 Jul 98 11:38:24 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000857; 1 Jul 98 11:38 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Wed, 1 Jul 98 12:38:11 BST Message-Id: <21211.9807011138@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from ajax.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Jul 98 12:38:11 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.50 I have just upgraded. I have an A3010 (4megs + 324 megs HD). Everything went fine except:- (1) I now have a single row button bar instead of a doubble roe. oops I can not rember how to chang it back. How about a webb FAQ site or a new manual. (2) On loading, I get"(full pathname).applets.!ovation1.specific Not found." Ovation ! files would not load. I tried replacing the applet with a backup copy. No effect. So, to my new non working version only. I opened the applet and inserted a blank edit document title "specific". Ovation 1 files now load but very slowley. Also on loading OP I now get a blank edit document open on screen. (3) It uses more memory than 2.48. If this is a requirment of 2.50 (& future upgrades) I will have to waite for acorn to get round to sending out Phoebie before I use it for real. PS any news on Phoebie. Are the any problems with running OV pro on it? John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From martinv@ucs.de Wed Jul 1 17:55:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71267 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Jul 98 17:55:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899309218:20:27620:6; Wed, 01 Jul 98 16:06:58 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de ([194.77.23.26]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027509; 1 Jul 98 16:06 GMT Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA29912 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:06:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199807011606.SAA29912@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: 01 Jul 1998 08:08:12 GMT Subject: Re: Background tints MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 In your earlier message you wrote: >In message <19980630.033134.11@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> >> Is it possible to apply background colour to a line of text, >> in such a way that it colours the entire line, plus linespace >> (leading?) between lines? >> >> I'm trying to apply a background tint to rows of a table, > >> Is this currently doable, or if not, could it go on the >> (probably very long) OP wish list please...? > >This is the type of thing best done in an app that allows more control of >individual elements ie Draw or Artworks. I think if you could do this with >publisher then you were just lucky, I doubt it was designed for that. > >Make the table in !Draw and put it in its own frame in OPro. Its then easily >editable with OLE. One of the great benefits of RISC OS is the ability to >use many progs at the same time and save data between them. Theres not much >point spending time making OPro do something !Draw does so well already. I'm certainly missing some point here, but why not just put the line in its own frame and colour that? Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From martinv@ucs.de Wed Jul 1 17:55:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71268 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Jul 98 17:55:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899309242:20:27673:7; Wed, 01 Jul 98 16:07:22 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de ([194.77.23.26]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101101; 1 Jul 98 16:06 GMT Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA29906 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:06:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199807011606.SAA29906@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: 01 Jul 1998 08:04:08 GMT Subject: Re: Various MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 In your earlier message you wrote: >>How do you change the order of items in the program menu on the bar; >>is a line near the end reading: >> index = statnry_findmenuentry(info_handle, "Quit"); > >Good point, but it does assume the thing you insert before is loaded >before this script executes. Hmmm, it does but changing the "...findmenuentry"-line was needed after translating OvPro ("Quit" changes into "Beenden"). I did not write the Statnry Applet but I too would have assumed that OvPro was running when my Applet was run. Or to get more sensible: Are message tokens global? i.e. does an Applet "see" the tokens of OvPro? Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 2 01:12:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71301 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Jul 98 01:12:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899328313:10:19000:0; Wed, 01 Jul 98 21:25:13 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018990; 1 Jul 98 21:25 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrUNI-0007ZM-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:25:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 98 21:10:36 GMT Message-Id: <71293@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Mr J P Kerslake >(1) I now have a single row button bar instead of a doubble roe. >oops I can not rember how to chang it back. How about a webb FAQ site >or a new manual. Copy !Macros from your old copy. >(2) On loading, I get"(full pathname).applets.!ovation1.specific >Not found." Ovation ! files would not load. I tried replacing the applet Sorry is 'specific' the actual filename? If so it's one of yours. If not what is the actual filename? >with a backup copy. No effect. So, to my new non working version only. I >opened the applet and inserted a blank edit document title "specific". >Ovation 1 files now load but very slowley. Also on loading OP I now get >a blank edit document open on screen. Anything you put in the applets directory will get run - stick a text file in Applets, and you end up running Edit to load it. Now you've just said you put the text file inside the !Ovation1 applet - which does not quite square up with that. >(3) It uses more memory than 2.48. If this is a requirment of >2.50 (& future upgrades) I will have to waite for acorn to get round Interestingly enough you can reduce the wimp slot at the end of !Run to 1184K. It has been left at the value I use for my copy which has debug code in it. So thats a couple of 100K you can save. >to sending out Phoebie before I use it for real. PS any news on Phoebie. >Are the any problems with running OV pro on it? I don't anticipate any. From: Martin Vethake >Are message tokens global? i.e. does an Applet "see" the tokens of OvPro? Yes, tokens, sprites, templates are global. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 2 15:39:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71386 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Jul 98 15:39:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899387830:10:12257:105; Thu, 02 Jul 98 13:57:10 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012325; 2 Jul 98 13:56 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrjkO-0004Rh-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:50:00 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:49:11 GMT Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:48:58 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Background tints Message-ID: <4c9c475f48%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980702.013109.63@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d In message <19980702.013109.63@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I'm certainly missing some point here, but why not just put the line > in its own frame and colour that? You could do that. But I thought the original poster wanted lines of text, each with their own backgroud colour, so there would be horizontal white gaps in the tinted area. You would have to have lots of frames, amd moving, evenly positioning, editing etc would be difficult. Also is easier to accurately control the size of the tinted line the text sits on in a drawing prog. If you make an OPro frame too small the text in it disappears, also its not easy to optically centre the text vertically in the frame. Kevin. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 2 18:23:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71393 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Jul 98 18:23:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899400041:20:05767:13; Thu, 02 Jul 98 17:20:41 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129417; 2 Jul 98 17:20 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrn28-0007FF-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:20:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:58:41 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Re: Background tints To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980630.033134.11@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Try using Table Mate Designer from Dalriada- superb, and OLE facility with OPro! Well worth the investment. On Tue 30 Jun, Samuel Penn wrote: > > Is it possible to apply background colour to a line of text, > in such a way that it colours the entire line, plus linespace > (leading?) between lines? > > I'm trying to apply a background tint to rows of a table, > and the way I'm trying to do it, is the way I always did it > in Impression (so maybe I'm coming at things from the wrong > angle, and OP does it a different way...), which was to set > the text colour to be the desired colour. > > Anyway, applying background colour to a paragraph only applies > the colour behind each letter. If the line is shorter than the > frame width, the colour doesn't cover the entire frame width, > plus you get the default frame colour between lines of text, > > Since I want the table to be inline with the main story, I > can't just create a frame with the right background colour, > plus I want different lines to have different colours. > > Is this currently doable, or if not, could it go on the > (probably very long) OP wish list please...? > > -- > Be seeing you, > Sam. > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 2 18:23:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71394 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Jul 98 18:23:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899400053:20:05862:21; Thu, 02 Jul 98 17:20:53 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129562; 2 Jul 98 17:20 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrn2H-0007FF-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:20:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:13:26 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Where goeth thy Filters? To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Dear all Where is the best place to put the filters (!TransXXX so they auto-run with Ovation Pro- short of having 4 filer_boot lines in my !Boot file?) Do they go into applets, or autorun? That way any RTF files can simply be dropped in to OPro. Also, I asked last week, but didn't get an answer- what is the address for Opro archives of old articles/queries? I want to find out about iconising the thesaurus to make it run from Opro, and also about other thingies. MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 2 19:32:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71408 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Jul 98 19:32:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899402305:10:11211:12; Thu, 02 Jul 98 17:58:25 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011198; 2 Jul 98 17:58 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrnch-0001Nw-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:58:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 18:31:41 GMT Message-Id: <71397@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Paul Hutton >Where is the best place to put the filters (!TransXXX so they auto-run with >Ovation Pro- short of having 4 filer_boot lines in my !Boot file?) >Do they go into applets, or autorun? I'd not put them in those directories, since in Applets they will get run (not booted), and whilst running them does no harm it slows things down. In Autorun they will be ignored. Perhaps somewhere like !Fonts lives. >Also, I asked last week, but didn't get an answer- what is the address for >Opro archives of old articles/queries? I want to find out about iconising >the thesaurus to make it run from Opro, and also about other thingies. www.beebug.com I did answer this by private email last week... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl Fri Jul 3 22:17:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71504 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Jul 98 22:17:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899496284:10:21953:1; Fri, 03 Jul 98 20:04:44 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021900; 3 Jul 98 20:04 GMT Received: from beeldwerk.demon.nl ([195.173.238.105]) by post.demon.nl id aa0023701; 3 Jul 98 22:00 MET DST Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:59:48 +0200 (BST) From: Henk Huinen Subject: Re: Where goeth thy Filters? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980703.014739.54@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Henk Huinen, Stg Creatief Beeldwerk, Bavel, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Fri 03 Jul, Paul Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Where is the best place to put the filters (!TransXXX so they auto-run with > Ovation Pro- short of having 4 filer_boot lines in my !Boot file?) > Do they go into applets, or autorun? > > That way any RTF files can simply be dropped in to OPro. > > Also, I asked last week, but didn't get an answer- what is the address for > Opro archives of old articles/queries? I want to find out about iconising > the thesaurus to make it run from Opro, and also about other thingies. > > MTIA > Do you mean these filters (!transrtf & !transImp) realy work? I've tried over and over again but the only thing I get are error messages.... What goes wrong? The last thing I did was putting them in resources. Still no result. Am I missing something?? Henk Huinen -- Stichting Creatief Beeldwerk Henk Huinen, Haarbeemd 59, 4854MH Bavel, The Netherlands E-mail: henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl http://www.beeldwerk.demon.nl -- s t i c h t i n g _ _ ._ _ _._|_ o _ _|_ |_ _ _ | _| _ ._ | (_ | (/_(_| |_ |(/_ | |_)(/_(/_|(_|\/\/(/_| |< From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sat Jul 4 02:25:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71532 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Jul 98 02:25:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899511899:20:08571:1; Sat, 04 Jul 98 00:24:59 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008577; 4 Jul 98 0:24 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ysG8K-00043U-00; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:24:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 98 22:34:44 GMT Message-Id: <71515@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Henk Huinen >Do you mean these filters (!transrtf & !transImp) realy work? Well TransImp is a bit of a joke. But TransRTF is a serious effort which someone has spent years sweating over. >I've tried over and over again but the only thing I get are error >messages.... Such as? >The last thing I did was putting them in resources. Still no result. >Am I missing something?? For starters, put !TransRTF in the same directory as !OvnPro. If you want to make sure double click on it. Then take your RTF file with the correct file type, and drop it on the OPro icon bar icon. Should then work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl Tue Jul 7 01:47:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71586 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Jul 98 01:47:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899571829:10:20417:0; Sat, 04 Jul 98 17:03:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020332; 4 Jul 98 17:03 GMT Received: from beeldwerk.demon.nl ([195.173.238.105]) by post.demon.nl id aa0018927; 4 Jul 98 19:03 MET DST Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:02:17 +0200 (BST) From: Henk Huinen Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980704.161916.01@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Henk Huinen, Stg Creatief Beeldwerk, Bavel, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Sat 04 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > > From: Henk Huinen > > >Do you mean these filters (!transrtf & !transImp) realy work? > > Well TransImp is a bit of a joke. But TransRTF is a serious > effort which someone has spent years sweating over. > > >I've tried over and over again but the only thing I get are error > >messages.... > > Such as? 'Inserted file is of type &300 not text' or 'Inserted file is of type &D00 not text' > > >The last thing I did was putting them in resources. Still no result. > >Am I missing something?? > > For starters, put !TransRTF in the same directory as !OvnPro. > If you want to make sure double click on it. I did but still the same messages..... > > Then take your RTF file with the correct file type, and drop it on the OPro > icon bar icon. What is the correct file type??? > > Should then work. Wonder when....... I hope you can give me a hint. Henk Huinen -- Stichting Creatief Beeldwerk Henk Huinen, Haarbeemd 59, 4854MH Bavel, The Netherlands E-mail: henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl http://www.beeldwerk.demon.nl -- s t i c h t i n g _ _ ._ _ _._|_ o _ _|_ |_ _ _ | _| _ ._ | (_ | (/_(_| |_ |(/_ | |_)(/_(/_|(_|\/\/(/_| |< From ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk Tue Jul 7 01:48:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71603 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Jul 98 01:48:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899657386:20:20559:4; Sun, 05 Jul 98 16:49:46 GMT Received: from sand2.global.net.uk ([194.126.80.50]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118081; 5 Jul 98 16:49 GMT Received: from client84b9.globalnet.co.uk ([194.126.84.185] helo=ianadunn.global.co.uk) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0ysrxr-0005Cf-00; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:48:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:15:32 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Ian Dunn Subject: Re: Various !TrabsRTF To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980704.161916.01@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dr Ian Dunn X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Sat 04 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > > From: Henk Huinen > > >Do you mean these filters (!transrtf & !transImp) realy work? snip > > Then take your RTF file with the correct file type, and drop it on the OPro > icon bar icon. > > Should then work. > > David Pilling > Remembering there are folk out there like me with very limited knowledge , when you say correct file type what do you mean please ? TIA Ian -- Dr Ian Dunn mailto ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk Moir Medical Centre Regent St Long Eaton Nottingham NG10 1JX From h.mcdowall@argonet.co.uk Tue Jul 7 01:48:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71608 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Jul 98 01:48:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899632037:10:21764:3; Sun, 05 Jul 98 09:47:17 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109233; 5 Jul 98 9:47 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.96) [193.130.246.96] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yslO1-00047s-00; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:47:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(H. McDowall) Reply-To: h.mcdowall@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 5 Jul 98 10:44:55 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Various Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Could you please let me know how to import CSV files -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ h.mcdowall@argonet.co.uk From stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Tue Jul 7 01:50:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71622 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Jul 98 01:50:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899672673:10:11619:0; Sun, 05 Jul 98 21:04:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011604; 5 Jul 98 21:04 GMT Received: from (193.130.252.142) [193.130.252.142] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ysvxN-0004OH-00; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:04:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 19:57:52 +0100 Message-ID: <4861055f0cstephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Selecting & deselecting objects. Return-Receipt-To: stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain I've just noticed a small peculiarity with the way OP handles the selection of objects, ie imported drawfiles etc. During the process of formatting or editing text, if I accidentally click within an object frame with the adjust button on the mouse, then as you would expect that object gets selected. The problem is, I then cannot reposition the caret within the text without either first; deselecting the object frame with adjust, or clicking select within another object frame that isn't already selected or clicking with select outside the main master frame area. If I select a group of objects then as long the first object was selected with the select button then I have no problems reposisitioning the caret but if all the objects in the group are selected with the adjust button then the same problems are encountered. Steve. I am using Ovation Pro. 2.50. -- __ ___ (_ |_ _ _ |__) _ _ __ / Stephen.Brown@argonet.co.uk __) |_ (-'\/(-' |__)| (_)\/\/ | | / Argonet, Internet Access for all __________________________________/ Acorn RISC OS machines From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Tue Jul 7 01:50:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71632 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Jul 98 01:50:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899739233:10:02960:4; Mon, 06 Jul 98 15:33:53 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109153; 6 Jul 98 15:33 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Mon, 6 Jul 98 16:33:38 BST Message-Id: <28263.9807061533@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from pandora.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Jul 98 16:33:38 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Odd error message Sorry for the delay, in replying. I have been off on a training course for a few days. To re-cap:- (1) After upgrading a backup copy of Ov pro to 2.50 I started to get the error message "error (full path name).Applets.!ovation1.Specific not found. Ovation 1 documents woud not load. (2) I opened the applet no such file. I checked other copies of the applet no such file. (3) Into my backup copy i inserted an eddit file INSIDE the applet name Specific (4) On loading ov pro now no error message but i get edit autoloaded & an empty edit file Specific opened. Ov1 documents loade slowly. (5) the next time I used my working copy of ovP 2.48 i got the same error message & was unable to load ov1 files. (6) I removed the edit file from 2.50 & re ran ov 2.50 same error message But the ov 1 files woud now load at normal speed. I re ran 2.50 a few time sto check this. (7) I repeated the insert/ remove Specific file with 2.48 same results. So now both versions work ok except for giving a meninless error message at start. Is there any simple way to locate the source of this merrage & correct it? Nb I have an A3010 4megs +320megs HD. John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 7 18:23:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71740 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Jul 98 18:23:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899821106:20:09115:3; Tue, 07 Jul 98 14:18:26 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008964; 7 Jul 98 14:18 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytYZJ-0000Ok-00; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:18:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 98 14:57:53 GMT Message-Id: <71726@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 News ---- The latest edition of Risc User has been produced using OvationPro - replacing Quark Express. You may recall there had been some discussion about Beebug, Macs and the production of Risc User... Credit is due to Richard Hallas for being prepared to take on this move. Arcade Bulletin Board now has a file area for OvationPro applets. You can direct dial and avoid the jams on the internet on 0181-654-2212, or at weekends access via the internet on www.arcade.demon.co.uk From: Henk Huinen >'Inserted file is of type &300 not text' So you typed the RTF files wrongly. >What is the correct file type??? Werl, all you have to do is enter into the settype menu the letters 'RTF'. But if you want to do it the hard way, RTF is type C32 From:(H. McDowall) >Could you please let me know how to import CSV files In what sense? You can just drop them into an OPro window of course. There's a utility on the alternative OPro web site(*) which will massage them into a more useful form for importing. You can of course use CSV files to drive the mail merge side of OPro. (*) http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ From: Stephen Brown >During the process of formatting or editing text, if I accidentally click >within an object frame with the adjust button on the mouse, then as you would >expect that object gets selected. The problem is, I then cannot reposition >the caret within the text without either first; deselecting the object frame >with adjust, or clicking select within another object frame that isn't >already selected or clicking with select outside the main master frame area. Yes this is a catch, if more than one object is selected you don't have a caret. It is all too easy to acidentally select another frame, and then panic because there is no caret. From: Mr J P Kerslake >message "error (full path name).Applets.!ovation1.Specific not found. Ovation >1 documents woud not load. One comment is that the file 'Specific' has nothing to do with the standard release of OPro. >Is there any simple way to locate the source of this merrage & correct it? Nb I have >an A3010 4megs +320megs HD. Have a look at the !ARun file inside the Ovation1 applet. I guess you have to isolate the problem. Which applets are active when it appears? Have a look at their !ARun files until you find a reference to the 'specific' file. From: John Waddell >Anyway, I wished to print a document in OvPro, that is 2 copies, and I asked >the printer to pause between pages. It didn't. Printing can be in one of two modes, either 'background' mode which is the new Acorn printer protocol. In that it is impossible to pause between pages, because you've got to print the whole print job between wimp polls. Or you can be in the old mode, which multitasks as it prints. See the printchoices() function in !OvnPro.Autorun.!Choices. If it is one you're in the new mode. Just to keep everyone awake I toggle the value of this variable from one version to the next 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 7 20:08:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71768 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Jul 98 20:08:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899836184:20:11538:6; Tue, 07 Jul 98 18:29:44 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011525; 7 Jul 98 18:29 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytcUl-0000MM-00; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:29:40 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:35:08 GMT Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:35:01 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Moving Ovation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980528.021912.55@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <19980528.021912.55@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Wed 27 May, Alan Muscat wrote: > > I recently installed a new hard disc amd copied > > over all my stuff from the old HD. > >=20 > > OPro say that it was not installed on that drive > > so it won't play, I would have to run the install > > program and drog the App to it. > >=20 > > This I did using program disc 1 but I get a message telling me to use > > a different installer. Help. > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > >=20 > > Alan Muscat > > Oh yes Alan I had exactly the same problem and confused it as you seem t= > o > have.... > I presume you used the Update at some time (Its sprite looked like a > flower) > Open this till you get the Install window on your screen, take the OP > application that is on your computer HD, not the one on the floppy > and drag it to the Install window.... > Took me ages to find the solution.... but when it worked it just said > Ok.... > =20 > --=20 > > May G-d Bless you and Keep you... > Ren=E9 Turner ..Survivor 82... Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz=20 > H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury.org.nz > =20 > It is when I struggle to be brief that I become obscure. > Thank you Rene for your suggestion. I did eventually try it, but without success, so I ended up doing the full install again. Mind you that is the first time I have done a full re-install, as I always ignored David's advice and installed over the latest version without any problems. Are you a messianic Jew? Survivor 82 - that wouldn't be Soul Survivor 1982 would it? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 22 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From waddell@which.net Wed Jul 8 01:40:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71779 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Jul 98 01:40:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899850516:20:09220:3; Tue, 07 Jul 98 22:28:36 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009162; 7 Jul 98 22:28 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.99.105]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA18732 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:28:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:58:21 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: ?Bug in version 2.49? To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] It's interesting how you can go for long periods of time without using a particular aspect of a piece of software, even although you may have used it quite regularly in the past. Anyway, I wished to print a document in OvPro, that is 2 copies, and I asked the printer to pause between pages. It didn't. I then 'drag and dropped' the text into an Ovation document (I run both since I still have many pro formas in Ovation format) and it worked OK. Is this a quirk in v.2.49 for I do not recall the difficulty in earlier versions? Or do I require to tweak a configuration file somewhere? -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From alan.adams@gecm.com Wed Jul 8 13:46:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71876 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Jul 98 13:46:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899889589:20:08553:3; Wed, 08 Jul 98 09:19:49 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com ([194.128.74.2]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110790; 8 Jul 98 9:19 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA31443 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA17138; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:18:57 +0100 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 09:22:45 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Various To: ovation mailinglist Message-Id: <0845220908071998/A00539/CAUV40/11C742562800*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Priority: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11C742562800 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;0845220908071998/A00539/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 1 I was delighted that background printing worked when I upgraded to 2.49. David's recent message seems to imply that I could have got it before by editing printchoices. Is there anywhere a list of what printchoices does? 2 On importing RTF files, it worked for me. I think I had the filetype set to Text, but I'm not absolutely sure. (As I recall, the filters are in the Applets folder.) 3 There seems to be something odd about the display of printable area when the paper is set scaled. To explain: I set up a newsletter to use A4 sheets, pamphlet printing, and the scale was automatically set to 71%. I used this for some time, cursing the large left margin imposed by my bubblejet printer. (By margin here, I mean the area *shown* as unprintable on the left of the paper - it turned out that a lot of it was printable.) Recently I got fed up with having the text scaled down, and decided to change the layout to A5 pages, pamphlet, scale 100%. This magically reduced the left margin dramatically. I still have a problem, in that the displayed centre of the page is not where the paper folds in half - the error is about 2mm. I suspect that this is to do with the paper definition, but I haven't been aboe to investigate fully yet. Alan Adams From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 8 21:21:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71915 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Jul 98 21:21:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899923547:10:13261:8; Wed, 08 Jul 98 18:45:47 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106078; 8 Jul 98 18:45 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytzDO-0002iq-00; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:45:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 98 19:07:40 GMT Message-Id: <71907@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 >1 I was delighted that background printing worked when I upgraded to 2.49. >David's recent message seems to imply that I could have got it before by >editing printchoices. Is there anywhere a list of what printchoices does? Yes it's in the manual page 226. Another Basil Fawlty style tech. support outburst, not connected with the above... Unless we've made a mistake and forgotten, everything has been documented. Due to the way things have been added, sometimes the information is in the manual, sometimes it is in the documentation files which come with the upgrades. A good tip is that if you're given a huge text file to read, you can press F4 and search through it for the bits of interest. The same trick works on the maillist archives. >As I recall, the filters are in the Applets folder. Not really a good idea, but it works... >3 There seems to be something odd about the display of printable area when >the paper is set scaled. To explain:I set up a newsletter to use A4 sheets, >pamphlet printing, and the scale was automatically set to 71%. I used this >for some time, cursing the large left margin imposed by my bubblejet Um not so sure about this. Looking on my laser direct and a pamphlet (A4, 71% etc) the margins are right. A BJC is going to have a large margin at the bottom - at least the default paper format is going to have a large bottom margin. >dramatically. I still have a problem, in that the displayed centre of the >page is not where the paper folds in half - the error is about 2mm. I All sorts of interesting questions like does 'centre' centre on the paper or on the printable area. Is the printable area symetric, again no, usually the bottom margin is wider than the top. From: Henk Huinen >> So you typed the RTF files wrongly. >I did not type anything. >I just used 'native' RTF files from Word6 and Word8. Well from the error messages one had one type and another a different one. >I can now succesfully load RTF files in Opro, although *only* when I >drop the file on the OP icon on the iconbar. *Not* when I try to >load it in an open sheet. >Is this normal? Um. I'm not sure. I can load RTF into documents. If I had to guess I'd say that some RTF represents a document and some just bits of text. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl Wed Jul 8 21:21:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71916 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Jul 98 21:21:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899924916:10:24406:25; Wed, 08 Jul 98 19:08:36 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024201; 8 Jul 98 19:08 GMT Received: from beeldwerk.demon.nl ([195.173.238.105]) by post.demon.nl id aa0015456; 8 Jul 98 20:59 MET DST Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:25:12 +0200 (BST) From: Henk Huinen Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980708.022557.66@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Henk Huinen, Stg Creatief Beeldwerk, Bavel, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Wed 08 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > From: Henk Huinen > > >'Inserted file is of type &300 not text' > > So you typed the RTF files wrongly. I did not type anything. I just used 'native' RTF files from Word6 and Word8. > > >What is the correct file type??? > > Werl, all you have to do is enter into the settype menu the letters 'RTF'. > But if you want to do it the hard way, RTF is type C32 Thanks very much! I did not know it was that easy..... but I thought the file type produced by 'Word' was the right one.... I can now succesfully load RTF files in Opro, although *only* when I drop the file on the OP icon on the iconbar. *Not* when I try to load it in an open sheet. Is this normal? Thanks again, Henk Huinen -- Stichting Creatief Beeldwerk Henk Huinen, Haarbeemd 59, 4854MH Bavel, The Netherlands E-mail: henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl http://www.beeldwerk.demon.nl -- s t i c h t i n g _ _ ._ _ _._|_ o _ _|_ |_ _ _ | _| _ ._ | (_ | (/_(_| |_ |(/_ | |_)(/_(/_|(_|\/\/(/_| |< From waddell@which.net Wed Jul 8 23:33:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71956 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Jul 98 23:33:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899936184:10:25277:1; Wed, 08 Jul 98 22:16:24 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115555; 8 Jul 98 22:16 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.99.124]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAB2421 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:16:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:51:04 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980708.022557.66@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] On Wed 08 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > From: John Waddell > > >Anyway, I wished to print a document in OvPro, that is 2 copies, and I asked > >the printer to pause between pages. It didn't. > > Printing can be in one of two modes, either 'background' mode which is the > new Acorn printer protocol. In that it is impossible to pause between pages, > because you've got to print the whole print job between wimp polls. Or you > can be in the old mode, which multitasks as it prints. > > See the printchoices() function in !OvnPro.Autorun.!Choices. If it is > one you're in the new mode. > > Just to keep everyone awake I toggle the value of this variable from > one version to the next 8-) > > Y'er a wee b*gg*r! Anyway ..thanks for this! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Thu Jul 9 20:14:26 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72054 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Jul 98 20:14:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900010960:20:10550:0; Thu, 09 Jul 98 19:02:40 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010491; 9 Jul 98 19:02 GMT Received: from (193.130.247.108) [193.130.247.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yuLxb-0000r0-00; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:02:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L , mcdigsb3@fs1.ch.umist.ac.uk, carreira@cco.caltech.edu Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:59:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4862968182stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Selecting & deselecting objects. In-Reply-To: <19980708.022557.66@pilling.demon.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain On 08 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > From: Stephen Brown > > During the process of formatting or editing text, if I accidentally click > > within an object frame with the adjust button on the mouse... [snip] > Yes this is a catch, if more than one object is selected you don't have a > caret. It is all too easy to acidentally select another frame, and then > panic because there is no caret. Yes I realise this, but what I was trying to say in the original post was, that if I select an object frame with adjust, OP refuses to allow me to reposition the caret within the main text using select, without first deselecting that object frame. The one thing I had overlooked when I wrote the question was, since I was in the process of editing text, the master frame was already selected, thus accidentally clicking with adjust in an object frame created a multiple selection of frames. I now realise that my problem of not being able to reposition the caret within the text of the master frame, was because the master frame was already part of a multiple selection of frames. Now why didn't I realise this in the first place? Steve. -- __ ___ (_ |_ _ _ |__) _ _ __ / Stephen.Brown@argonet.co.uk __) |_ (-'\/(-' |__)| (_)\/\/ | | / Argonet, Internet Access for all __________________________________/ Acorn RISC OS machines From munnekot@argonet.co.uk Fri Jul 10 01:15:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72070 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Jul 98 01:15:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900023988:10:24455:18; Thu, 09 Jul 98 22:39:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103793; 9 Jul 98 22:25 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.216) [193.130.250.216] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yuP7c-0004nR-00; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:25:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Thomas K. Munn) Reply-To: munnekot@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 8 Jul 98 18:03:01 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Odd error message Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Wed 8 Jul 98 (02:25:50 +0100), kerslake wrote: "(1) After upgrading a backup copy of Ov pro to 2.50 I started to get "the error message "error (full path name).Applets.!ovation1.Specific "not found. Ovation "1 documents woud not load. Where do get OP 2.50? I only have up to 2.49. Ken. -- From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 10 01:35:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72086 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Jul 98 01:35:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900029832:20:26095:0; Fri, 10 Jul 98 00:17:12 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116688; 10 Jul 98 0:17 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yuQs3-0007LJ-00; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:17:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 01:16:09 GMT Message-Id: <72074@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From:(Thomas K. Munn) >Where do get OP 2.50? I only have up to 2.49. http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html Because no one has found any new bugs, I'm probably close to making this the official upgrade. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From adams_n@ifrinternational.co.uk Fri Jul 10 13:49:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72108 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Jul 98 13:49:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900066610:20:10483:3; Fri, 10 Jul 98 10:30:10 GMT Received: from ipgw.marconi-instruments.co.uk ([194.202.211.8]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101153; 10 Jul 98 10:29 GMT Received: from misfit.ifrinternational.co.uk by ipgw.ifrinternational.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA25817; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:38:10 +0100 Received: from ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk by misfit.ifrinternational.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27761; Fri, 10 Jul 98 10:33:47 BST Received: from ccMail by ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA900092340; Fri, 10 Jul 98 10:28:56 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 10:28:56 GMT From: Message-Id: <9806109000.AA900092340@ccm.ifrinternational.co.uk> To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Return-Receipt-To: Adams_N@ifrinternational.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Hi! Very interesting... I have exactly the same problems with margins. I am running OVPro 2.46 on a RiscPC with 50Mb ram, 2Mb vram, 10GB storage on 4 discs & StrongArm @ 202MHz. No problems with install or operation, just some aggro at the margin settings. I have just completed a 60 page book, which is set in A5 with selections for mirror,double & pamphlet, and when printed on my HP LJIIP+ produces a large margin at one side of the page. I can compensate somewhat but it is still unbalalnce no matter what I do and curioiusly the centre settinga are as ALAN ADAMS describes... The printer settings from OVPro are sideways, centre, fit etc all set on. I am contemplating setting all the system printer driver paper settings to 0 and then making all my settings in OVPro. I have discovered that many printers will actually achieve a much closer margin setting than the software lets it, for example: HP claim in their handbook that an LJ series laser needs 10mm at the lower end of the page with a 5mm margin aroung the other 3 sides. In fact the laser will print to 5mm on the lower side as well. Any thoughts on how to achieve better margin settings welcome.. What else can I do. Nigel J.E.Adams BBPG - Preservation for the future! ALAN ADAMS (no relation? I think) wrote........... snip! >the paper is set scaled. To explain: >I set up a newsletter to use A4 sheets, pamphlet printing, and the scale >was automatically set to 71%. I used this for some time, cursing the large >left margin imposed by my bubblejet printer. (By margin here, I mean the >area *shown* as unprintable on the left of the paper - it turned out that a >lot of it was printable.) >Recently I got fed up with having the text scaled down, and decided to >change the layout to A5 pages, pamphlet, scale 100%. This magically >reduced the left margin dramatically. >I still have a problem, in that the displayed centre of the page is not >where the paper folds in half - the error is about 2mm. I suspect that >this is to do with the paper definition, but I haven't been aboe to >investigate fully yet. From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 14 01:40:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72289 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 14 Jul 98 01:40:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900333180:10:04527:0; Mon, 13 Jul 98 12:33:00 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004438; 13 Jul 98 12:32 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yvhmN-0003iD-00; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:27 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:23:16 GMT Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:23:04 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: <176fef6448%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980711.022803.87@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d Somewhere, somewhen someone wrote: > I have discovered that many printers will actually achieve a much > closer margin setting than the software lets it, for example: HP claim > in their handbook that an LJ series laser needs 10mm at the lower end > of the page with a 5mm margin aroung the other 3 sides. In fact the > laser will print to 5mm on the lower side as well. > > Any thoughts on how to achieve better margin settings welcome.. > > What else can I do. To set up my margins I set them all to zero, then in !Draw I made a 20% grey rectangle that bleeds off all four sides and printed it (you can leave the middle of the rectangle unfilled to use less ink). I then measured the white margins and set them in the printer driver. It seems to work perfectly for all applications I print from. If you are concerned about different apps behaving differently you could do this for each and set up an A4 page with customised margins for each application you print from. I suspect they would all come out the same though. In my PS driver (used only for making PS files), all the paper margins are set to zero. Kevin -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From html.applet@levens.co.uk Wed Jul 15 14:24:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72532 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 15 Jul 98 14:24:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900500770:10:04160:1; Wed, 15 Jul 98 11:06:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126618; 15 Jul 98 11:05 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.76) [193.130.251.76] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywPNQ-0002vH-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:05:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ovation Pro: HTML Pro Suite) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:38:47 +0100 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: HTML converter Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Philip Thank you for you comments about our software. You mention in your email that > it could not possibly give me full control over my web site I don't fully understand this statement. If you could let me know what you mean, then perhaps I could makre it do what you want. If you wish to receive new about HTML Pro as and when it happens please email use with the subject field set to HTMLPro News please Thank you Benji Levens -- _ html.applet@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __| \___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/ |____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| Acorn Registered Devlopers t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 From print@levens.co.uk Wed Jul 15 14:24:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72533 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 15 Jul 98 14:24:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900500780:10:04234:3; Wed, 15 Jul 98 11:06:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127185; 15 Jul 98 11:06 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.76) [193.130.251.76] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywPNp-0002vH-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:06:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and print) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:01:06 +0100 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: HTMLPro improvements Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Currently HTMLPro has just been improved and now exports pure HTML 3.2 code that is perfect (according to HTMLEdits syntax check and thorough reading through the Reference Specification) and fully handles text and colours and even styles. Unlike current conversion software, the output is exactly the same as OvationPro (except for font name descrepency). Full details can be found at HTTP://www.levens.co.uk/software/html.htm To receive news as and when it happens please email us with the subject field set to HTMLPro News please If you have any suggestions for the software please email us. Thank you Benji Levens -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 From steveno@lx.student.wau.nl Wed Jul 15 18:55:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72564 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 15 Jul 98 18:55:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900516399:10:17554:1; Wed, 15 Jul 98 15:26:39 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl ([137.224.10.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017302; 15 Jul 98 15:26 GMT Received: from riscpc.student.wau.nl (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01IZFRNRKBJC00BKH8@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:30:34 GMT +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:25:53 +0200 (BST) From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Mail merging more records on one page To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Wageningen Agriculture University, http://www.wau.nl/ MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hello I've just bought Ovation Pro and I like to know if it is possible to mail merge more then one record on one page? I'm making an adressbook of my students club and i'm using a CSV file with the adresses. But I'm making it in Ovation Pro so I want all the adresses from the CSV file into the document. I'm putting aproximatily 5 different adresses on one page. And I want to change the adresses easily by changing the CSV file. I've looked in the manual but couldn't find there what I need. So is it possible and if not, what's the easiest way to do it alternetivly. thanks -- Steven Ottens aka GraphRisc From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 15 18:56:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72569 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 15 Jul 98 18:56:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900525393:20:03381:1; Wed, 15 Jul 98 17:56:33 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003095; 15 Jul 98 17:55 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywVmW-0004Uo-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:55:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 98 16:19:14 GMT Message-Id: <72562@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Maillist News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Maillist News ============= Thanks to Carol Carpenter the maillist is moving to a new home. Postings in future should be to; ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Control messages should be to; majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk The BIG THING to note is that control messages are in the body of the email and NOT in the subject line. You'll deduce that the list will be running on majordomo. You can send it a 'help' message to find out all the commands supported. With luck this should provide an improved service, and reduce the wear and tear on the programming team. All subscriptions will be automatically transfered and a test message will come through the new list soon. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 15 21:23:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72598 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 15 Jul 98 21:23:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900534023:20:10981:1; Wed, 15 Jul 98 20:20:23 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010961; 15 Jul 98 20:20 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywY29-0000nk-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:20:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 98 20:03:04 GMT Message-Id: <72593@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Kevin Simpson >If you are concerned about different apps behaving differently you could do >this for each and set up an A4 page with customised margins for each >application you print from. I suspect they would all come out the same >though. It's interesting that the Acorn printer driver paper margins have an effect. In other words, they don't just tell you your printer has a 2" margin at the bottom of the page, they enforce it. I suppose that saves getting ink on the rollers, but it is often unecessarily limiting. From: "Steven M. Ottens" >I've just bought Ovation Pro and I like to know if it is possible to mail >merge more then one record on one page? Yes it is, you'll need OPro 2.49 (or 2.50) from the www.beebug.com web pages, and then read my document there on using the new mail merge features in 2.49. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 03:01:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72668 for opro ; Thu, 16 Jul 98 03:01:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900554208:10:29027:15; Thu, 16 Jul 98 01:56:48 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028880; 16 Jul 98 1:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA20270 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:27:42 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA20265 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:27:29 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywcpy-0004JD-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:27:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 02:17:12 GMT Message-Id: <72654@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: first posting from new list X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This comes to you via the new Ovation Pro mailling list... If you're reading it your subscription from the old list has been transferred. Thanks to Carol Carpenter and Barnet College the maillist has moved. Postings in future should be to; ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Control messages should be to; majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk The BIG THING to note is that control messages are in the body of the email and NOT in the subject line. You'll deduce that the list will be running on majordomo. You can send it a 'help' message to find out all the commands supported. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 13:54:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72682 for opro ; Thu, 16 Jul 98 13:54:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900579404:20:04022:27; Thu, 16 Jul 98 08:56:44 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105196; 16 Jul 98 8:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA20607 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:33:28 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA20602 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:33:13 +0100 Received: from (blencathra) [194.222.71.242] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywjUA-0003Jt-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:33:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:30:19 +0100 From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: first posting from new list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <72654@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <72654@pilling.demon.co.uk> david@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >This comes to you via the new Ovation Pro mailling list... > >If you're reading it your subscription from the old list has >been transferred. > > > >Thanks to Carol Carpenter and Barnet College the maillist has moved. > I think you deserve some sleep now (-: -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 15:47:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72732 for opro ; Thu, 16 Jul 98 15:47:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900599433:10:28362:28; Thu, 16 Jul 98 14:30:33 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028314; 16 Jul 98 14:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA21160 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:46:37 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA21152 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:46:16 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywoN9-0002b8-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:46:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 14:17:49 GMT Message-Id: <72696@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printer margins X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro fowarded from the old maillist address... From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:28:29 +0100 Message-ID: <486670735ebric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980716.020154.80@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 16 Jul, Kevin Simpson wrote: > Somewhere, somewhen someone wrote: > > I have discovered that many printers will actually achieve a > > much closer margin setting than the software lets it, ... etc > To set up my margins I set them all to zero, then in !Draw I made a > 20% grey rectangle that bleeds ...... etc You beat me to it. I have used this method for several years, since I discovered the default margin settings in some Acorn drivers were wrong. This is not surprising, as I have discovered instances where the margins stated in the printer manual were wrong. Indeed, from newsgroup correspondence, it seems that different specimens of the same printer may have different margins. It is therefore always best to /measure/ the margins yourself. If you want to print to the extremes of the printable area, it is as well also to study the precision with which the paper is fed into the printer. One of my 2 printers needs an extra mm or so on the side margins to be sure, and the other has about the same error in the vertical direction. Rather than increasings the margins set in !Printers to allow for the worst-case feed errors, you can of course make the allowance when laying out the page in your application. > It seems to work perfectly for all applications I print from. > If you are concerned about different apps behaving differently you > could do this for each and set up an A4 page with customised > margins for each application you print from. I suspect they would > all come out the same though. Yes of course they will, because applications all pick up the grey margins that they display from !Printers. This is why it is worth going to some trouble to get !Printers set up correctly, and why it is best always to select the printer you are going to use for the final print and to set it up as you want it before laying out your page or drawing, even if you do trial prints on some other printer. Brian. ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 15:47:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72735 for opro ; Thu, 16 Jul 98 15:47:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900599329:20:26047:15; Thu, 16 Jul 98 14:28:49 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113719; 16 Jul 98 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA21159 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:46:36 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA21148 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:46:13 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywoN6-0002b8-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:46:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 14:17:24 GMT Message-Id: <72694@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printer margins X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Fowarded from the old maillist address... From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:51:09 +0100 Message-ID: <48667286f1bric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980716.020232.42@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 16 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > From: Kevin Simpson > >If you are concerned about different apps behaving differently you > >could do this for each and set up an A4 page with customised > >margins for each application you print from. I suspect they would > >all come out the same though. > It's interesting that the Acorn printer driver paper margins have > an effect. In other words, they don't just tell you your printer > has a 2" margin at the bottom of the page, they enforce it. !Printers reports back to the application whatever margins you have set, which then displays them. If a 2" margin is set and shown, but the mechanical margin is only 1", the output print will be clipped /by the driver/ (as you say) at 2". If a 1/2" margin is set rather than 2", the output will be clipped /by the printer/ at 1". This is why it is so important to get the /real/ printable margins set up correctly. > I suppose that saves getting ink on the rollers, but it is often > unecessarily limiting. See my reply to Kevin's posting. It need not be limiting, but it can be if the interaction between !Printers and applications is misunderstood, as it seems frequently to be. IMHO, it is not a good idea to mess about with the margin settings in !Printers to give the desired margin in the application, as I believe some people do; much better to use the latter, eg a master page (or a temporary box in !Draw), to limit the printed area. Brian. ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 18:48:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72766 for opro ; Thu, 16 Jul 98 18:48:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900611187:10:12180:28; Thu, 16 Jul 98 17:46:27 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110501; 16 Jul 98 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA21721 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:22:51 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA21716 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:22:39 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywrka-0002D8-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:23:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 18:08:57 GMT Message-Id: <72757@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: HTML convertor X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro forwarded from the old maillist address... From: Hi We in the Acorn World are very fortunate because our computers are easy to program and the operating system is virtually bug free and very consistent. There is also an unfortunate side to all this. Anyone who has access to a PC cannot fail to be impressed by the quality and value of software such as Microsoft Office 97 etc. Many of these programs give full control over a web site, perhaps I ought to explain that statment. We have been asking David (pilling) for quite some time about a HTML converter for Ovation Pro. Using for example, Microsoft Office, gives you full control of a Web Site and not just a conversion of the document that you have created to be a text file. This will include relevant conversion of image format, Automatic link creation, and of course it will upload the whole file so that you can have your site up and running straight away. I dont mean to belittle David and Ovation Pro, its my first choice anyday, but how can one man create a monster program (and I mean monster in every sense of the word!) like MS Office, when Beebug expect him to offer telephone and online support as well as looking after the mailing list when what he shoulld actually be doing is maintaining his excellant program. Yes I am intrested in any program that will enhance my RISCPc and will do my utmost to support and encourage all developers. Keep up the good work. Philip Waud David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 17:04:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72831 for opro ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 17:04:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900682872:10:12540:30; Fri, 17 Jul 98 13:41:12 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120934; 17 Jul 98 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA23047 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:20:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA23042 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:20:31 +0100 Received: from (snave.demon.co.uk) [158.152.89.120] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxAS0-0007mj-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:21:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:20:15 +0100 Message-ID: <4867147de0jack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: A Bulleting Bug Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have set up a Bullet style (Format: left indent 20mm, 1st indent -10mm and Tab 20mm). Setup: OPro 2.50 SA RPC 50MB. If I highlight a text passage containing Selwyn alt109 as the bullet char and then apply the Bullet style, getting rid of the highlighting leaves behind a vertical bar character at the beginning of each line after a carriage return. Deleting the first occurrence of the vertical bar deletes all of them so it is a simple matter to put things right. However, David as a perfectionist might like to be aware of the phenomenon. There is no problem if one switches to the Bullet style in the normal way and then types the text, but I was setting up the bulleted passage retrospectively in the course of editing the document. -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 17:05:00 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72833 for opro ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 17:04:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900684425:10:00614:19; Fri, 17 Jul 98 14:07:05 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000515; 17 Jul 98 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA23134 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:44:39 +0100 Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23128 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:44:23 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:45:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: <4867170a75C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: A Bulleting Bug In-Reply-To: <4867147de0jack@snave.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 17 Jul, Jack Evans wrote: > I have set up a Bullet style (Format: left indent 20mm, 1st indent -10mm > and Tab 20mm). Setup: OPro 2.50 SA RPC 50MB. > If I highlight a text passage containing Selwyn alt109 as the bullet > char and then apply the Bullet style, getting rid of the highlighting > leaves behind a vertical bar character at the beginning of each line > after a carriage return. Deleting the first occurrence of the vertical > bar deletes all of them so it is a simple matter to put things right. > However, David as a perfectionist might like to be aware of the > phenomenon. I cannot reproduce this effect. Are these vertical bars genuine characters? If so how does deleting one, delete them all throughout the document? It is not clear from your posting whether the Selwyn bullet has been converted into these bar characters, or whether they are additional characters generated. I assume the bullet style you have set up does not specify a particular font, i.e. the font option must be a cross. If not any font effects will be overridden when you apply the bullet style. > There is no problem if one switches to the Bullet style in the normal way > and then types the text, but I was setting up the bulleted passage > retrospectively in the course of editing the document. Very odd. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 17:11:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72839 for opro ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 17:11:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900686823:20:13073:15; Fri, 17 Jul 98 14:47:03 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102545; 17 Jul 98 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA23331 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:27:14 +0100 Received: from pop3.hiway.co.uk (root@pop3.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.130]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA23326 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:27:00 +0100 From: Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by pop3.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23063 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:27:51 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id PAA05132 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:25:09 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <00256644.0054C32B.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:29:48 +0000 Subject: Re: A Bulleting Bug Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On 17 Jul, Jack Evans wrote: >> I have set up a Bullet style (Format: left indent 20mm, 1st indent -10mm >> and Tab 20mm). Setup: OPro 2.50 SA RPC 50MB. >> If I highlight a text passage containing Selwyn alt109 as the bullet >> char and then apply the Bullet style, getting rid of the highlighting >> leaves behind a vertical bar character at the beginning of each line >> after a carriage return. Deleting the first occurrence of the vertical >> bar deletes all of them so it is a simple matter to put things right. >> However, David as a perfectionist might like to be aware of the >> phenomenon. >I cannot reproduce this effect. Are these vertical bars genuine >characters? If so how does deleting one, delete them all throughout the >document? It is not clear from your posting whether the Selwyn bullet has >been converted into these bar characters, or whether they are additional >characters generated. It sounds a bit like this is a redraw problem. If you scroll to another page and back again do the bars disappear? If this is the case it is probably just the edge of the highlight not being erased properly. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 17:15:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72844 for opro ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 17:15:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900692021:20:03533:22; Fri, 17 Jul 98 16:13:41 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110178; 17 Jul 98 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA23528 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:54:30 +0100 Received: from mailhost.nwnet.co.uk (mailhost.nwnet.co.uk [195.188.52.5]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA23523 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:54:16 +0100 Received: from dean.nwnet.co.uk ([195.188.107.163]) by mailhost.nwnet.co.uk (post.office MTA v1.9.3 **** trial license expired ****) with SMTP id AAA124 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:59:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:54:06 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Allen Subject: Linking picture frames? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <00256644.0054C32B.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Barry Allen, Manchester. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi folks, In Publisher it is possible to put a picture in multiple frames by:- Clicking with select on the first frame with the picture in it. Then:- Adjust clicking on subsequent frames to reproduce the picture as many times as you wish. Is something similar possible in Ovation Pro? When the first picture is edited say in Draw, and then saved back, all the other copies have the same alterations. Is this possible? I'm producing membership cards with the same picture on the back of all the cards. 12 to an A4 sheet. -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.nwnet.co.uk/dean/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 19:04:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72852 for opro ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 19:04:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900692926:10:03110:15; Fri, 17 Jul 98 16:28:46 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003081; 17 Jul 98 16:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA23600 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:10:50 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA23595 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:10:39 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxD6f-00011Q-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:11:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 17:08:53 GMT Message-Id: <72836@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A Bulleting Bug X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >If I highlight a text passage containing Selwyn alt109 as the bullet char >and then apply the Bullet style, getting rid of the highlighting leaves >behind a vertical bar character at the beginning of each line My suspicion would be a redraw problem. Wipe a window or menu over them... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 19:26:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72867 for opro ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 19:26:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900699710:10:09238:16; Fri, 17 Jul 98 18:21:50 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009240; 17 Jul 98 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA23813 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:04:29 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA23805 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:04:08 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxEsT-00026X-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:05:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 17:22:16 GMT Message-Id: <72850@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linking picture frames? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >In Publisher it is possible to put a picture in multiple frames by:- >Clicking with select on the first frame with the picture in it. >Then:- >Adjust clicking on subsequent frames to reproduce the picture as many >times as you wish. >Is something similar possible in Ovation Pro? Well... If you have a frame with a picture in it, and you copy the frame into the same document, OPro automatically only holds one copy of the picture in memory. The bad news is that if you change one of the pictures the others are not updated. And embedded picutre frames don't do this automatic referencing of pictures at all. Also the older versions of OPro had a bug and didn't always use a reference when they should. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 19:26:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72868 for opro ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 19:26:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900699856:10:10553:15; Fri, 17 Jul 98 18:24:16 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126828; 17 Jul 98 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA23811 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:04:26 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA23801 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:04:04 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxEsR-00026X-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:05:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 17:20:24 GMT Message-Id: <72848@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Approved: minbari >From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 09:22:26 1998 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA22493 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:22:26 +0100 Received: from (blencathra) [194.222.71.242] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yx5nQ-0002zA-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:23:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:42:55 +0100 From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OP mailing list and Messenger - reminder Message-ID: <71adbe6648%philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m For anyone who has setup an OvationPro mailing list in Messenger could I remind them to change the OP mailing list address via Messenger=>Choices=>Mailing lists=> Click over OvationPro or whatever you have called it, click Edit then change the Address line to read: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk and also change any accompanying filter setup with Newsbase. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 22:32:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72889 for opro ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 22:32:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900706780:10:12858:26; Fri, 17 Jul 98 20:19:40 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012716; 17 Jul 98 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA24192 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:59:57 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24187 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:59:40 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.121]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA431A for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:57:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:58:15 +0200 Message-ID: <486738e88bdelink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Some nasty bugs Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all, although becoming a OPro enthusiast, some problems keep frustrating me. Here they are: - The fully justify function does NOT work properly! This is certainly visible when using small frames. On screen everything looks perfect, but printing reveals some very disturbing inaccuracies. I use a 1200 DPI Lexmark postscript printer, together with original EFF postscript fonts. If this doesn't convince you, then be aware that the very same text in a very similar frame in Impression doesn't cause any problem... - Key short cuts for user created styles behave in an unpredictable way. Well, unpredictable...? They often - very predictable - don't work at all. Sometimes hitting a Ctrl-L or a Ctrl-N before might help, but usually it doesn't... - I can't discover the functionality of the 'Bleed' button. I want to print a pamphlet with a coloured background. Enabling 'Bleed', however, doesn't have any visible effect. (I expect the software to expand the background beyond the borders of the crop marks (as ...sorry... Impression does)). Am I missing something? - Bitmaps are still not knocked out properly. When putting a photograph on a spotcoloured background, I expect the software to automatically knock this graphic out from this background, when using separations. But this is actually only true when adding a white fill colour to the frame, containing the photograph. This is allright as long as the photograph is rectangular. But when it has an arbitrary shape, things go terribly wrong (does anyone follow me?). (By the way: for vector graphics the problem seems to be solved. Thank you, Mr. Pilling!) - The known problem with automatic italication and boldisation keeps frustrating me for a long time now. (Yes, yes, you DO know: if a font has more than the basic four weights, Ovation very often chooses the wrong one for italic or bold. So you have to create a special style for them (and change everything by hand, when deciding to use an other style or etc. etc.)) (No need to say that Impression etc. etc....) - OvationPro VERY OFTEN freezes the computer, or quits with a ununderstandable warning or no warning at all. Of course, I know it is a very complicate program, but Impression etc. etc... Can anyone predict a better future concerning these problems? Thanks in advance. Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 22:33:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72891 for opro ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 22:33:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900709461:10:06280:15; Fri, 17 Jul 98 21:04:21 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119495; 17 Jul 98 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA24335 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:43:58 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA24330 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:43:46 +0100 Received: from (necpwa.demon.co.uk) [158.152.217.190] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxHN1-00017M-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:44:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:17:20 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Simons Subject: Re: Some nasty bugs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <486738e88bdelink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: NECPWA, York. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 17 Jul, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Dear all, > > although becoming a OPro enthusiast, some problems keep frustrating me. > Here they are: > ) > > - OvationPro VERY OFTEN freezes the computer, or quits with a > ununderstandable warning or no warning at all. > Of course, I know it is a very complicate program, but Impression etc. > etc... Used to have this problem with early versions of OPro, over a year ago. Turned out it was actually Cumana SCSI2 card sat in a DMA slot that caused the problem, upgrading the Cumana stuff stopped that. Incidently upgrading to Cumana Beta 2.08 has allowed me to enable block mode transfers for my Epson Scanner and My Philips CD Writer 8-) Have been producing a monthly magazine to film for the last 12 months with no freezes or crashes (fingers crossed) for some time now. > > Can anyone predict a better future concerning these problems? > Thanks in advance. > > Paul Sprangers -- Tony Simons North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 22:33:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72898 for opro ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 22:33:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900709590:20:22311:16; Fri, 17 Jul 98 21:06:30 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022292; 17 Jul 98 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA24388 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:49:38 +0100 Received: from front4.grolier.fr (front4.grolier.fr [194.158.96.53]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24382 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:49:20 +0100 Received: from delavoix (poitiers5-212.club-internet.fr [194.158.126.212]) by front4.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with SMTP id WAA24362 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:49:21 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:31:55 +0100 From: Jacques Delavoix To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: first posting from new list Message-ID: <9581416748%delavoix@delavoix.club-internet.fr> In-Reply-To: <72654@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Acorn Risc Pc, Risc OS 3.7 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi David, In a message of 16 Jul, david@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote : >This comes to you via the new Ovation Pro mailling list... >If you're reading it your subscription from the old list has >been transferred. All rights, my subscription have been transferred without any problems :-) Jacques. -- Jacques Delavoix New French Acorn User Acorn Risc PC, StrongARM 233 Mhz, Risc OS 3.7 36+2 Mo RAM, 1.2 Go HD, Smile 15" Monitor. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 18 01:55:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72908 for opro ; Sat, 18 Jul 98 01:55:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900712303:20:16625:16; Fri, 17 Jul 98 21:51:43 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016428; 17 Jul 98 21:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA24588 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:33:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24583 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:33:23 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxI92-000423-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:34:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 21:16:02 GMT Message-Id: <72885@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Some nasty bugs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >- The fully justify function does NOT work properly! >If this doesn't convince you, then be aware that the very same text in a >very similar frame in Impression doesn't cause any problem... Depends, we know there's a problem with enhanced justification/tracking. It appears to be a printer driver problem. You'll not see it with Impression because Impression doesn't let you do the same thing. >- Key short cuts for user created styles behave in an unpredictable way. I'm not aware of a problem. There is the old thing of if you load some module, old style buffer extenders, Acorns SerialUtils you'll trash the OPro keyboard handler. >- I can't discover the functionality of the 'Bleed' button. >Enabling 'Bleed', however, doesn't have any visible effect. Well it does for objects which poke over the edges. It is fair to ask about extending the page area. >- Bitmaps are still not knocked out properly. OK, something to fix soon. Apart from the points above, I'd say it was all fair comment. I'm not going to go through the reasons for why you're not going to get an instant fix for all this stuff again - see the last few months worth of the maillist. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 18 14:50:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72933 for opro ; Sat, 18 Jul 98 14:50:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900758969:10:00265:17; Sat, 18 Jul 98 10:49:29 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000176; 18 Jul 98 10:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA25237 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:32:16 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25231 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:32:03 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.137]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAB1604 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:33:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:16:53 +0200 Message-ID: <48678789a9delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Some nasty bugs In-Reply-To: <72885@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 17 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >- The fully justify function does NOT work properly! > >If this doesn't convince you, then be aware that the very same text in a > >very similar frame in Impression doesn't cause any problem... > Depends, we know there's a problem with enhanced justification/tracking. > It appears to be a printer driver problem. You'll not see it with > Impression because Impression doesn't let you do the same thing. But the problem exists even if you don't use the enhanced justification! So, perhaps it is NOT a printer driver problem... > >- Key short cuts for user created styles behave in an unpredictable way. > I'm not aware of a problem. There is the old thing of if you load > some module, old style buffer extenders, Acorns SerialUtils you'll > trash the OPro keyboard handler. I am not aware of using any of these modules. Moreover, only a few key short cuts regularly refuse to work, like the ctrl-shft-K button, that I use to invoke a certain expert font. On the other hand, the ctrl-shft-I button, that had to be created to invoke the proper italics, never causes problems, as far as I remember. Isn't this odd? > >- I can't discover the functionality of the 'Bleed' button. > >Enabling 'Bleed', however, doesn't have any visible effect. > Well it does for objects which poke over the edges. It is fair > to ask about extending the page area. Aha! So it is possible to poke objects over the edge! I immediately tried so (by means of the Object dialogue box) and indeed: This problem is definitely solved. Works even better than in Impression! (Glad to be able to produce a positive sound, at last). Kind regards Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 18 14:51:00 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72935 for opro ; Sat, 18 Jul 98 14:50:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900758970:10:00274:17; Sat, 18 Jul 98 10:49:30 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119013; 18 Jul 98 10:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA25249 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:33:05 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25238 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:32:38 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.137]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAC1604 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:33:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:27:22 +0200 Message-ID: <4867887f8fdelink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: OvationPro and Cumana SCSI II In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 17 Jul, Tony Simons wrote: > > - OvationPro VERY OFTEN freezes the computer, or quits with a > > ununderstandable warning or no warning at all. > > Of course, I know it is a very complicate program, but Impression etc. > > etc... > Used to have this problem with early versions of OPro, over a year ago. > Turned out it was actually Cumana SCSI2 card sat in a DMA slot that > caused the problem, upgrading the Cumana stuff stopped that. Incidently > upgrading to Cumana Beta 2.08 has allowed me to enable block mode > transfers for my Epson Scanner and My Philips CD Writer 8-) > Have been producing a monthly magazine to film for the last 12 months > with no freezes or crashes (fingers crossed) for some time now. Well, that is odd! I also have a Cumana SCSI2-card AND an Epson scanner (GT9500). So perhaps you are right. But when I upgraded to 2.08 (Cumana, not OPro), the Epson refused to work, with or without block mode transfer (what is that, by the way?) So I rapidly downgraded again to 2.04, not having been able to test if OPro didn't crash as often as I am used to. But again, perhaps you are right. (Can you tell me more about that scsi card and block transfer and the such?) (But perhaps better by personal email, as it doesn't really match this mailing list) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 18 14:51:03 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72936 for opro ; Sat, 18 Jul 98 14:50:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900757206:20:00786:36; Sat, 18 Jul 98 10:20:06 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000707; 18 Jul 98 10:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA25076 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:55:25 +0100 Received: from mailhost.nwnet.co.uk (mailhost.nwnet.co.uk [195.188.52.5]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25071 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:55:09 +0100 Received: from dean.nwnet.co.uk ([195.188.107.163]) by mailhost.nwnet.co.uk (post.office MTA v1.9.3 **** trial license expired ****) with SMTP id AAA131 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:00:12 +0100 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:17:04 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Allen Subject: Re: Linking picture frames? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <72850@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Barry Allen, Manchester. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 17 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > Well... > > The bad news is that if you change one of the pictures the others are not > updated. And embedded picutre frames don't do this automatic referencing of > pictures at all. Also the older versions of OPro had a bug and didn't always > use a reference when they should. Well... That is refreshingly honest!:-) Is it projected that this feature might happen in the near, fairly near or distant future? -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.nwnet.co.uk/dean/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 18 14:51:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72939 for opro ; Sat, 18 Jul 98 14:51:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900764274:10:07620:25; Sat, 18 Jul 98 12:17:54 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109223; 18 Jul 98 12:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA25482 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:57:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA25477 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:57:23 +0100 Received: from (snave.demon.co.uk) [158.152.89.120] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxVdB-0001Z9-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:58:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:43:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4867378ce5jack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: A Bulleting Bug In-Reply-To: <72836@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 17 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >If I highlight a text passage containing Selwyn alt109 as the bullet char > >and then apply the Bullet style, getting rid of the highlighting leaves > >behind a vertical bar character at the beginning of each line > My suspicion would be a redraw problem. Wipe a window or menu over them... Yes, indeed - that's what it is. -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 18 17:44:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72961 for opro ; Sat, 18 Jul 98 17:44:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900773687:10:17131:20; Sat, 18 Jul 98 14:54:47 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117989; 18 Jul 98 14:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA25770 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:39:23 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA25755 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:38:58 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxY9f-0006GP-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:40:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 98 15:29:26 GMT Message-Id: <72956@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linking picture frames? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >> The bad news is that if you change one of the pictures the others are not >> updated. And embedded picutre frames don't do this automatic referencing of >> pictures at all. Also the older versions of OPro had a bug and didn't always >> use a reference when they should. >That is refreshingly honest!:-) Is it projected that this feature might >happen in the near, fairly near or distant future? The fact that all the pictures are not updated, was kind of a feature... My feeling is that come 'local OPI' - same thing as referenced images on disc, there should be an easy solution to this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 18 17:44:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72963 for opro ; Sat, 18 Jul 98 17:44:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900774025:10:19434:16; Sat, 18 Jul 98 15:00:25 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019404; 18 Jul 98 15:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA25774 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:39:37 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA25764 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:39:06 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxY9h-0006GP-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:40:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 98 15:32:38 GMT Message-Id: <72958@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Email X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Forwarded... because MajorDomo in its artificial wisdom considers the contents to be subversive. From: Mark Fraser > For anyone who has setup an OvationPro mailing list in Messenger could > I remind them to change the OP mailing list address via > Messenger=>Choices=>Mailing lists=> > Click over OvationPro or whatever you have called it, click Edit then > change the Address line to read: > ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > and also change any accompanying filter setup with Newsbase. For anyone who is using Pluto, goto the List=>Newsgroups via the Pluto icon on the icon bar and change/add an entry for mail.ovationpro. Whats new, Normie? Terrorists, Sam. Theyve taken over my stomach. Theyre demanding beer. __________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser ZFC V / mfraser@argonet.co.uk | \/ | Somerset / Using !Pluto on an Acorn RISC PC | |_______________________/You know what the sig means! David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 18 17:44:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72964 for opro ; Sat, 18 Jul 98 17:44:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900774231:10:20907:21; Sat, 18 Jul 98 15:03:51 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122905; 18 Jul 98 15:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA25772 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:39:31 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA25760 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:39:02 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxY9c-0006GP-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:40:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 98 15:11:57 GMT Message-Id: <72954@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Some nasty bugs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >But the problem exists even if you don't use the enhanced justification! >So, perhaps it is NOT a printer driver problem... Well give me a small example. In general though if it works on screen, doesn't work to a printer then its a driver problem. You've probably also got at least 3 printer driver types - Acorn bit map (e.g. ArcFax), CC Turbo/Laser Direct, Acorn PostScript (e.g. view on Ghostcript), which may give different results. We've documented here in the past just what the problem areas are. >I am not aware of using any of these modules. Moreover, only a few key >short cuts regularly refuse to work, like the ctrl-shft-K button, that I Could be an applet is claiming the keypress? >I also have a Cumana SCSI2-card AND an Epson scanner (GT9500). >But when I upgraded to 2.08 (Cumana, not OPro), the Epson refused to work, >with or without block mode transfer (what is that, by the way?) IMHO it was the case that old SCSI fmware (I think I am talking about <2.00) would insert a few extra bytes into saved files. Much amusement caused by that. As to block mode... When block mode is off the SCSI card checks that each byte is transferred correctly, when it is on it checks less often. On gamma curve upload it seems things go rather slowly, scanners are not designed for shifting lots of data in that direction. The experience with Cummana 2.04 has been that 10% of people can use block mode on with Epsons, 85% need block mode off, and some unlucky folk also have to twiddle the scsidmatiming command. Cummana 2.08 defintely expands the number of people who can use block mode. And it has this effect on other scanners too. Why does this matter? Well block mode is going to be faster (about x3 for loading from disc), but more important DMA only works with block mode on. My new series of TWAIN drivers use SCSI background commands to speed things up - lets them handle data whilst the SCSI card reads it from the scanner - and again for this to work DMA is necessary. Don't ask about upgrading, I've not worked out how to do that yet ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:45:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72978 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:45:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900796237:10:01084:17; Sat, 18 Jul 98 21:10:37 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000813; 18 Jul 98 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA26537 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:59:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA26532 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:59:15 +0100 Received: from (193.130.244.34) [193.130.244.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxe5i-0006IF-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:00:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:45:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4867c11dd5df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: OvPro and Master Pages Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi David, I was having a serious sort out of old snail mail today, when I came upon quite a few communications between Beebug and myself... relating to the first release of Ovation Pro. It transpires... lucky old... person that I am, most of my gripes have now been implemented... But one letter intrigued me... I've scanned, Ocr'd it and inserted below. D. A. Symes 13th august 1996 3 Hannington Road Boscombe Bournemouth Dorset BH7 6JT Dear Mr Symes Now that I've read your latest letter outlining the exact use you wish to make of master pages, I can confirm that this is not currently possible in Ovation Pro. However, it is not the serious design fault that you imply, since we can and almost certainly will extend the system to allow additional master pages to be created and attached to chapters as required. Our plan is to do this via a 'page palette' which shows pages and master pages as thumbnails and allows master pages to be attached by dragging. This is just one item on a huge list of things people want us to implement, so I cannot say yet when it might be done. Yours Sincerely John Wallace Software Manager jwallace@ risc-demon-co .uk Is this idea still running on the wants list? or was JW fibbing to shut me up? I'm not quite so bothered about the Master page thing as I used to be... but I do find Ov Pro's Master page method very limiting, even with the changes you've made to it. :-( BTW... Whatever happened to JW? Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.09c -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:45:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72980 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:45:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900801753:10:11873:17; Sat, 18 Jul 98 22:42:33 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116154; 18 Jul 98 22:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA26845 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:31:59 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA26839 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:31:46 +0100 Received: from (arcade.demon.co.uk) [158.152.17.41] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxfXJ-0004pC-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:33:01 +0000 Date: 18 Jul 1998 23:25:21 +0100 Message-ID: <980718233113@arcade.demon.co.uk> From:(DaviD Dade) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: A test message Organization: Arcade - The Definitive Acorn BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: ArcadeLink Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Origin: echo I hope you will all forgive this brief test message to confirm that messages originating from the Arcade BBS mirror of this list are not returned to the list when they arrive back here. Thanks for your forebearance. Access to the BBS mirror will be controlled in a similar way to the external list, but administered manually when we open the mirrored list to our users. Regards, David Dade -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:45:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72981 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:45:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900804368:10:01620:19; Sat, 18 Jul 98 23:26:08 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109233; 18 Jul 98 23:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA27043 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:06:23 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA27038 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:06:11 +0100 Received: from (obanphys.demon.co.uk) [158.152.51.151] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxg4c-0001wh-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:07:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan H Partridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:50:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4867cc83cfperdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Email In-Reply-To: <72958@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 18 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > Forwarded... because MajorDomo in its artificial wisdom considers > the contents to be subversive. > Whats new, Normie? > T*e*r*r*o*r*i*s*t*s, Sam. Theyve taken over my stomach. Theyre demanding > beer. Is it the word t*e*r*ro*r*i*st that's subversive or the lack of apostrophes? -- Alan H Partridge, Physics Department, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:46:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72985 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:46:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900850332:10:18305:16; Sun, 19 Jul 98 12:12:12 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018115; 19 Jul 98 12:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA27807 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:55:41 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27801 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:55:27 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.249]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id AAAB33 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:56:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:50:50 +0200 Message-ID: <486813f9eddelink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Some nasty bugs In-Reply-To: <72954@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="486813cfecTQE8iPKKxEAnhB/zXfcFQC" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In this issue: _SUBJECTS_ See the end of the digest for information about ovarionpro-digest. This is a MIME encapsulated message. --486813cfecTQE8iPKKxEAnhB/zXfcFQC Content-Type: text/plain On 18 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > >But the problem exists even if you don't use the enhanced justification! > >So, perhaps it is NOT a printer driver problem... > Well give me a small example. In general though if it works on screen, > doesn't work to a printer then its a driver problem. You've probably > also got at least 3 printer driver types - Acorn bit map (e.g. ArcFax), > CC Turbo/Laser Direct, Acorn PostScript (e.g. view on Ghostcript), which > may give different results. Here's an example. The text should be dropped in a frame of 64.22mm width. My Postscript output is then rather badly fully justified. (The GillSans font is the actual Eric font from EFF's font CD-Rom.) Creating an exact clone of the frame in Impression gives perfect results (with the very same printer driver). So, where exactly is the problem? 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unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:46:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72989 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:46:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900884086:10:18159:17; Sun, 19 Jul 98 21:34:46 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018077; 19 Jul 98 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA28783 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:18:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA28777 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:18:10 +0100 Received: from (pennic.demon.co.uk) [194.222.34.50] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yy0ro-00048Q-00; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:19:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:20:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4868481608sps@pennic.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Auto save. Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In this issue: _SUBJECTS_ See the end of the digest for information about ovarionpro-digest. I am in the process of transfering from Impression to Ovation. If an Impression document with 'auto save without prompt' is loaded a warning is given on the first autosave after loading but not thereafter. With Ovation this initial first save prompt is not given it appears, or have I missed something. I found it a useful safety measure when I messed around with old documents. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard || || || || Specialist Psychological Services ||||| |||| ||||| 8 Loxley Road, London SW18 3LJ || || || Tel. +44 (0) 181 874 1569 ||||| |||| ||||| sps@pennic.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:46:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA72993 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:46:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900787004:20:21269:16; Sat, 18 Jul 98 18:36:44 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112606; 18 Jul 98 18:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA26288 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:22:02 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26283 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:21:47 +0100 Received: from (tasc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.124.188] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxbdL-0002EO-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:22:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by tasc.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:17:56 GMT Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:17:46 +0100 From: Philip Ingram To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Background tints Message-ID: <1b91b36748%prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980630.033134.11@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Not much X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <19980630.033134.11@pilling.demon.co.uk> sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk (Samuel Penn) wrote: > > Is it possible to apply background colour to a line of text, > in such a way that it colours the entire line, plus linespace > (leading?) between lines? > > I'm trying to apply a background tint to rows of a table, > and the way I'm trying to do it, is the way I always did it > in Impression (so maybe I'm coming at things from the wrong > angle, and OP does it a different way...), which was to set > the text colour to be the desired colour. > [snip] You can do this in Tablemate: it certainly works in Tablemate Designer 4.05d but the manual for Tablemate v 3 also describes the function. I'm afraid I can't remember if it was in the version distributed with Imp Publisher. Good luck, Philip -- Philip Ingram prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:48:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73002 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:48:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900871457:20:10042:20; Sun, 19 Jul 98 18:04:17 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009983; 19 Jul 98 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA28414 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:52:10 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA28409 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:51:59 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.246.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxxeE-00039T-00; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:53:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:10:24 +0100 Message-ID: <4868263f8arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Some nasty bugs In-Reply-To: <486813f9eddelink@news.wxs.nl> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In this issue: _SUBJECTS_ See the end of the digest for information about ovarionpro-digest. On 19 Jul, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > >But the problem exists even if you don't use the enhanced > > >justification! So, perhaps it is NOT a printer driver problem... > > Well give me a small example. In general though if it works on screen, > > doesn't work to a printer then its a driver problem. You've probably > > also got at least 3 printer driver types - Acorn bit map (e.g. > > ArcFax), CC Turbo/Laser Direct, Acorn PostScript (e.g. view on > > Ghostcript), which may give different results. > Here's an example. The text should be dropped in a frame of 64.22mm > width. My Postscript output is then rather badly fully justified. (The > GillSans font is the actual Eric font from EFF's font CD-Rom.) Creating > an exact clone of the frame in Impression gives perfect results (with > the very same printer driver). So, where exactly is the problem? I dropped the text into two identical frames 64.22mm wide. The first with enhanced justification off and the second with enhanced justification on. Printing to ArcFax and viewing on screen, the right hand edges were both straight, although the several periods and commas at the edge made it look a bit off. Printing to Laser Direct, the left column (un-enhanced justification) was also dead straight whereas the column with enhanced justification was ragged on the right edge. This is an old problem with Laser Direct, and also I believe Turbo Drivers, where enhanced justification doesn't work as the CC font manager can't cope with the extra spacing introduced by enhanced justification. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:49:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73008 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:49:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900927137:20:14309:16; Mon, 20 Jul 98 09:32:17 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014300; 20 Jul 98 9:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA29657 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:18:15 +0100 Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29651 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:18:00 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:17:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:20:49 +0100 Message-ID: <48688a1455C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Some nasty bugs In-Reply-To: <4868263f8arayd@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 19 Jul, Ray Dawson wrote: > In this issue: > _SUBJECTS_ > See the end of the digest for information about ovarionpro-digest. > On 19 Jul, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > >But the problem exists even if you don't use the enhanced > > > >justification! So, perhaps it is NOT a printer driver problem... > > > Well give me a small example. In general though if it works on > > > screen, doesn't work to a printer then its a driver problem. You've > > > probably also got at least 3 printer driver types - Acorn bit map > > > (e.g. ArcFax), CC Turbo/Laser Direct, Acorn PostScript (e.g. view on > > > Ghostcript), which may give different results. > > Here's an example. The text should be dropped in a frame of 64.22mm > > width. My Postscript output is then rather badly fully justified. (The > > GillSans font is the actual Eric font from EFF's font CD-Rom.) Creating > > an exact clone of the frame in Impression gives perfect results (with > > the very same printer driver). So, where exactly is the problem? > I dropped the text into two identical frames 64.22mm wide. The first with > enhanced justification off and the second with enhanced justification on. > Printing to ArcFax and viewing on screen, the right hand edges were both > straight, although the several periods and commas at the edge made it > look a bit off. > Printing to Laser Direct, the left column (un-enhanced justification) was > also dead straight whereas the column with enhanced justification was > ragged on the right edge. > This is an old problem with Laser Direct, and also I believe Turbo > Drivers, where enhanced justification doesn't work as the CC font manager > can't cope with the extra spacing introduced by enhanced justification. There is more to it than this. I did essentially the same thing, but printed to a postscript printer (Optra R+), set to resolution 1200 dpi (although the actual Acorn printer driver is an Apple laserwriter NT 300 dpi resolution). The font I used is good old Trinity. The effect is visible, whether enhanced justification is on or off, although it is definitely more noticeable when enhanced justification is on. A straight edge laid along the print out definitely shows the effect is real. I also examined the screen display using Acorn's close up application (first time I have ever used it!). There is some ragidness on the display, but whether it is due to the nominal 90 dpi screen resolution or not I wouldn't wish to speculate;-) It is particularly noticeable where two consecutive lines end in full stops (but are not the end of the para). Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:49:31 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73016 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:49:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900943709:20:23878:23; Mon, 20 Jul 98 14:08:29 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101690; 20 Jul 98 14:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA31825 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:54:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA31820 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:54:46 +0100 Received: from (193.130.251.88) [193.130.251.88] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyGOw-0001fQ-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:54:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Tim Rickard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, jthomas@htv.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 11:56:46 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: !TransRTF Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Good morning. I have just received some RTF files appended to an email. I copied them to my hard disk and changed the file type from &000 to &C32, the standard RTF file type, as recommended in OvPro Release Notes (Page 12). Again, as recommended, I dragged the RTF document to the OvPro icon on the icon bar. After loading, the entire document seems to occupy one line only, every line superimposed and overlaid one over another. Using the magnifier, the effect is quite startling. The original documents were composed in WordPerfect and I fear there may have been some columns (what my correspondent calls them, anyway) lurking within them which, on conversion, are causing this problem. I note that !TransRTF's help file suggests that the app. can't cope with tables. When I change the email appendage to a Text file, I can get the whole document, but, of course, it's cluttered with all the styles and attributes which take an age to strip out and drive me mad because I keep mistaking telephone numbers etc for obscure tags and labels. Any ideas? I would be very grateful to hear from you. Best wishes, Tim. -- Tim Rickard/Tish Faith. wildtime@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:49:32 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73017 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:49:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900936932:10:11110:16; Mon, 20 Jul 98 12:15:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109070; 20 Jul 98 12:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA31513 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:58:40 +0100 Received: from mailme.wirehub.nl (ns2.wirehub.net [194.165.94.5]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA31502 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:58:23 +0100 Received: from hamuy.wirehub.nl (p524.wirehub.net [195.86.48.12]) by mailme.wirehub.nl (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA29540 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:01:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:57:06 +0100 (BST) From: "J.J. Muyderman" Subject: Missing utilities To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen - Nijmegen - (31)(024) 377 83 98 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by odie.barnet.ac.uk id MAA31505 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by odie.barnet.ac.uk id MAB31513 to David Pilling and other interested Hello David, Since 1985 I=91m used different wordprocessors like WordPerfect and since= 1996, when I got an Acorn, Impression Publicer. Now I am a few weeks user of OvnP 2.49 and really impressed while using i= t, but I have some comments about it: =20 Critical basics to me: - This is the first time I have a publisher without a content_generator f= or a List of contents. =20 I don=91t really understand this. Why does OvnP missing something basica= l like this? I always used to have the possibility automatical to generate a list of contents in an easy way. - I =91m also missing the possibility for sequential numbering like parag= raphs, categories and pictures like 1.a- 1.b- 1.c / 2.1- 2.2- / III.i- IIIii.=20 Now it=91s only possible to number current chapters or pages. Some wishes more: - In Impression Publisher it is possible to define merging_tags with a li= st of the headers in the CSV file, like =90Name=91 instead of field1, =90Stre= et=91 instead of field2 and =90Telephone=91 instead of field3. Having CSV-files with many different headers, is this very usefull. - What do you think of direct implementable repeating frames to make head= ers or footers without changing masterpages/stylesheet like in Impression Publi= sher? - Having many applets, it likes usefull to me if I can the most used appl= ets implement in macro=91s and the buttonbar. How to do this? Don=91t understand me wrong: I=91m very pleased by OvnP, but I have basi= cal wishes from which I hope you will list them for implementation in the future. Of course, perhaps I missed something while reading the manual (from 2.46= ). In that case I hope to hear this. Thank you! --=20 regards, Hans Muyderman (hamuy@wirehub.nl) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:49:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73018 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:49:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900946372:20:19306:25; Mon, 20 Jul 98 14:52:52 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120289; 20 Jul 98 14:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA32207 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:40:12 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA32202 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:39:55 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.33]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id AAA28A4 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:39:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:41:00 +0200 Message-ID: <4868a1e66edelink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Some nasty bugs In-Reply-To: <48688a1455C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R About (not) fully justify: On 20 Jul, Ray Dawson wrote: > This is an old problem with Laser Direct, and also I believe Turbo > Drivers, where enhanced justification doesn't work as the CC font manager > can't cope with the extra spacing introduced by enhanced justification. And on the same day, Chris Johnson replied: > There is more to it than this. I did essentially the same thing, but > printed to a postscript printer (Optra R+), set to resolution 1200 dpi > (although the actual Acorn printer driver is an Apple laserwriter NT 300 > dpi resolution). The font I used is good old Trinity. The effect is > visible, whether enhanced justification is on or off, although it is > definitely more noticeable when enhanced justification is on. A straight > edge laid along the print out definitely shows the effect is real. > I also examined the screen display using Acorn's close up application > (first time I have ever used it!). There is some ragidness on the > display, > but whether it is due to the nominal 90 dpi screen resolution or not I > wouldn't wish to speculate;-) It is particularly noticeable where two > consecutive lines end in full stops (but are not the end of the para). Aha! At last! (I'm not alone). Again I want to emphasise, that Enhanced Justification has not much to do with it, as normal justification doesn't fully justify either on my printer - which is not a LaserDirect, but a Lexmark Postscript. And the effect is VERY visible. Once more: the same text, in the same frame, with the same driver, on the same printer, but in Publisher, fully justifies perfectly. I'll even have to decide wether to finish the pamphlet in OPro or to do all the work again in Impression! (Which isn't really a compliment for OPro, despite all the beautiful things). I'm afraid that this problem needs a good look at. (Sorry, Mr. Pilling!) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 22:49:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73021 for opro ; Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:49:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900949861:10:26231:16; Mon, 20 Jul 98 15:51:01 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026193; 20 Jul 98 15:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA32399 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:39:21 +0100 Received: from smtp-relay.power.net.uk (smtp-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.11]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA32394 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:39:09 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust118.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.118]) by smtp-relay.power.net.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14306 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:39:01 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:25:45 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Some nasty bugs Message-ID: <897dab6848%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <486813f9eddelink@news.wxs.nl> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <486813f9eddelink@news.wxs.nl> you wrote: > On 18 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > >But the problem exists even if you don't use the enhanced justification! > > >So, perhaps it is NOT a printer driver problem... > > > Well give me a small example. In general though if it works on screen, > > doesn't work to a printer then its a driver problem. You've probably > > also got at least 3 printer driver types - Acorn bit map (e.g. ArcFax), > > CC Turbo/Laser Direct, Acorn PostScript (e.g. view on Ghostcript), which > > may give different results. > > Here's an example. The text should be dropped in a frame of 64.22mm width. > My Postscript output is then rather badly fully justified. > (The GillSans font is the actual Eric font from EFF's font CD-Rom.) > Creating an exact clone of the frame in Impression gives perfect results > (with the very same printer driver). So, where exactly is the problem? > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > > This postscript problem is also giving me serious headaches. It happens not only with enhanced justification but also with auto-kerning set. If auto-kerning is set as part of the paragraph style, then the text has a ragged right edge when printed to a postscript printer but a justified edge when printed via a pcl printer driver (even to the same printer). The text is justified ok if auto-kerning is turned off. This means that I can't use kerning which tends to make the typography look a little crap. Certainly it doesn't enhance the reputation of Acorn at the printers and pre-press bureau. I just get told 'well, if you don't use the industry standard'.... David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 02:55:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73073 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 02:55:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900977069:20:25897:19; Mon, 20 Jul 98 23:24:29 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122247; 20 Jul 98 23:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA00595 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:01:39 +0100 Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00590 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:01:17 +0100 Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA17315 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:01:24 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:00:44 +1200 Message-ID: <4868d524f3kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: The big side-bearing problem Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="4868d48ffc9MwCHCPumOn1laXR4T+MSa" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a MIME encapsulated message. --4868d48ffc9MwCHCPumOn1laXR4T+MSa Content-Type: text/plain Greetings, I have been reading the 'Some nasty bugs' topic for a while and wondering why this might be happening. The following clip from a message sent by David Graddol might have just given me a clue. > This postscript problem is also giving me serious headaches. > It happens not only with enhanced justification but also with > auto-kerning set. If auto-kerning is set as part of the paragraph style, > then the text has a ragged right edge when printed to a postscript printer > but a justified edge when printed via a pcl printer driver (even to the > same printer). The text is justified ok if auto-kerning is turned off. There are three apparent cases - ordinary justification, enhanced justification and this additional problem to do with kerning. This suggests to me that this may well have something to do with the differing side-bearings of different characters. However, why does the side-bearing problem not occur at the left frame edge? Since some characters have both left and right side-bearing and kerning information in the fonts it would indeed seem reasonable to take this into account at the right edge. The small appended file shows that the side bearing problem is not just confined to the left-hand edge. The left frame is left justified and the red vertical line shows this quite readily (view it at, say, 1000% magnification). The middle frame is right justified and shows exactly the same effect. The right frame is fully justified and, as was to be expected, shows the same problem at both sides! You will also notice hthat my 'base style' uses enhanced justification. If you remove that then the side-bearing error is less - but not gone away. I haven't bothered to print this as the effect is visible on the screen! -- kh City Desk --4868d48ffc9MwCHCPumOn1laXR4T+MSa Content-Type: application/riscos; Name="Side-Bear,B27" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 T3ZhdGlvblBybwAAMi41MAAAAAAoMjUtTWF5LTk4KQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA+gAAAAEA AAAAAQAAFAEAAKQiAABiAQAAXGsAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKoKAAD//////////8AB AAAAAAAAAAAAAMABAAAAAQAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwEA ABQBAAALAQAAAQAAAAEAAAABAAAAAQAAAAEAAAABAAAAAQAAAAEAAADoAwAA ZAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAAQAAAAEAAAABAAAAAQAAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAAAAgO42AH8AAAACAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIUwQAVm4AAAEA AABkAAAAZAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAA/v///0IAAAABAAAADAAA AAAAAAA6BQAAEAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 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Jul 98 2:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA00854 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:56:49 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA00841 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:56:08 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyRfA-00025i-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:56:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 23:05:42 GMT Message-Id: <73031@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Master pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R forwarded from the old maillist address... From: Steve Hello David I am trying to set up some master pages for some forms that we use at work. Essentially I need to produce two pages. When I first start to type in my work I need it to be on a front page, but all subsequent pages need to be slightly different, and at work all simply called continuation pages. The first page has lots of personal information and legal heading on it, and the second and subsequent only have a little info on them. Despite trying I cannot get the text to flow from on page to the other, it simply flows onto the same page that I started with. Again at work the computers use MS Word and have had template files set up on them that allow what I want to happen. So, is it, will it be possible on my superior RPC and OvationPro ? Thanks for any help. -- Some like it HOT I like my COOL _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 14:08:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73077 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 14:08:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900988599:10:02959:16; Tue, 21 Jul 98 02:36:39 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002939; 21 Jul 98 2:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA00852 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:56:45 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA00832 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:56:04 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyRf7-00025i-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:56:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 23:04:29 GMT Message-Id: <73026@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printer margins X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro forwarded from the old maillist address... From:(Dominik Wagner) In message <19980716.020154.80@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Somewhere, somewhen someone wrote: >=20 > > I have discovered that many printers will actually achieve a muc= h=20 > > closer margin setting than the software lets it, for example: HP= claim=20 > > in their handbook that an LJ series laser needs 10mm at the lowe= r end=20 > > of the page with a 5mm margin aroung the other 3 sides. In fact = the=20 > > laser will print to 5mm on the lower side as well. > > =20 > > Any thoughts on how to achieve better margin settings welcome.. > > =20 > > What else can I do. I think this is a bug in Printers. So just do the trick mentioned below (= the grey print) again but now change the paper from a4 paper size to a di= fferent name (don't use A4 anywhere) with no margins set and you will see= , that your printer can print much smaller margins! > > To set up my margins I set them all to zero, then in !Draw I made a 20%= grey > rectangle that bleeds off all four sides and printed it (you can leave = the > middle of the rectangle unfilled to use less ink). I then measured the = white > margins and set them in the printer driver. It seems to work perfectly = for > all applications I print from. >=20 > If you are concerned about different apps behaving differently you coul= d do > this for each and set up an A4 page with customised margins for each > application you print from. I suspect they would all come out the same > though. >=20 > In my PS driver (used only for making PS files), all the paper margins = are > set to zero. =20 Ciao, Dominik -- mailto:Dominik.Wagner@t-online.de ------------------- Acorn Nutzer, DTV-T=E4nzer, (C-)Programmierer, Zivi, Brettspiele, Sportwart TC Inn-Casino (http://www.tanzen.wasserburg.de) e.V. Homepage unter: http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ *-*---*-------*---------------*---------------*-------*---*-* Wie wird das wetter? - CAPSLOCK - Hae? - Ja, es Shift-ohne-Ende!!!! David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 14:09:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73086 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 14:09:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901016452:10:03313:17; Tue, 21 Jul 98 10:20:52 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003129; 21 Jul 98 10:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA01708 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:02:27 +0100 Received: from smtp-relay.power.net.uk (smtp-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.11]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01703 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:02:16 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust117.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.117]) by smtp-relay.power.net.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14121 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:02:28 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:03:43 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The big side-bearing problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4868d524f3kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4868d524f3kh@waikato.ac.nz> you wrote: > Greetings, > I have been reading the 'Some nasty bugs' topic for a while and > wondering why this might be happening. The following clip from a message > sent by David Graddol might have just given me a clue. > > > This postscript problem is also giving me serious headaches. > > It happens not only with enhanced justification but also with > > auto-kerning set. If auto-kerning is set as part of the paragraph style, > > then the text has a ragged right edge when printed to a postscript printer > > but a justified edge when printed via a pcl printer driver (even to the > > same printer). The text is justified ok if auto-kerning is turned off. > > There are three apparent cases - ordinary justification, enhanced > justification and this additional problem to do with kerning. This > suggests to me that this may well have something to do with the differing > side-bearings of different characters. > > However, why does the side-bearing problem not occur at the left frame > edge? Since some characters have both left and right side-bearing and > kerning information in the fonts it would indeed seem reasonable to take > this into account at the right edge. > > The small appended file shows that the side bearing problem is not > just confined to the left-hand edge. The left frame is left justified and > the red vertical line shows this quite readily (view it at, say, 1000% > magnification). The middle frame is right justified and shows exactly the > same effect. The right frame is fully justified and, as was to be > expected, shows the same problem at both sides! > Is there a problem on both sides of the justified text? I think you need to bear in mind (perhaps David Pilling could confirm) that the way characters are aligned is not by their bounding boxes but rather some some elements are allowed to 'overhang' so that the visual alignment looks OK. I think this is what is happening on the left margin of your justified text. David -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 14:09:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73087 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 14:09:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901017679:10:16230:18; Tue, 21 Jul 98 10:41:19 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016297; 21 Jul 98 10:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA01875 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:26:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA01868 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:26:40 +0100 Received: from userl482.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.75.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyZdI-0003LF-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:26:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:58:47 +0100 Message-ID: <4869116424rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Master pages In-Reply-To: <73031@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 21 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > Essentially I need to produce two pages. When I first start to type in my > work I need it to be on a front page, but all subsequent pages need to be > slightly different, and at work all simply called continuation pages. > The first page has lots of personal information and legal heading on it, > and the second and subsequent only have a little info on them. > Despite trying I cannot get the text to flow from on page to the other, > it simply flows onto the same page that I started with. When you make up your master pages, select 'Double'. This will give you two pages - although the continuation page will be the first one and the front page will be the second. I've not found a way to stop that happening. All you have to do is add all your extra information to the page which will be the front and text will flow between them. The only problem comes when your document goes to a third page, when the front page is used again. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 14:09:10 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73088 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 14:09:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900987360:20:27423:20; Tue, 21 Jul 98 02:16:00 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110311; 21 Jul 98 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA00853 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:56:47 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA00836 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:56:06 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyRf8-00025i-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:56:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 23:04:58 GMT Message-Id: <73028@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Word7 into OPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R forwarded from the old maillist address... From: Steve Hello I want / need to do some work at home during the coming holiday season, the problem is at work we have to use the Pc clones and MS Word. Is it possible to get an applet that will allow these documents to be directly loaded into Ovation. Thanks for any help. -- Some like it HOT I like my COOL _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 14:09:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73090 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 14:09:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900987827:20:29998:20; Tue, 21 Jul 98 02:23:47 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029830; 21 Jul 98 2:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA00903 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:14:07 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA00898 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:13:55 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyRwO-0002jQ-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:14:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 98 03:02:32 GMT Message-Id: <73074@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Binary files!!! X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Just to point out, that amongst the offences in the charter of this maillist for which excommunication beckons, posting binary files is in the top rank. So please don't do it. Unlike with the older ways of running the list, there's now no way that such files can be intercepted before they're half way around the world. Moderation is thus by retribution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 14:09:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73092 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 14:09:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 900989445:20:08987:16; Tue, 21 Jul 98 02:50:45 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008728; 21 Jul 98 2:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA00849 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:56:40 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA00828 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:56:02 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyRf4-00025i-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:56:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 23:03:54 GMT Message-Id: <73024@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: A printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R forwarded from the old maillist address... >From steve@turnbull.cix.co.uk Mon Jul 20 22:46:06 1998 We're using 2.45 at IDG since Beebug keep promising to send a new version and haven't yet (peeved of IDG). However I suspect this has not changed because it's an implementation feature rather than a bug and happens in conjunction with the printer drivers. When producing Beebug's advert for Acorn User we have to output separations (of course) which means adding the registration marks etc etc. Naturally this comes out as larger than A4, which is where the problems start. On Imp Pub Pro, it notices the page size is too small and asks if we want to increase the page size, which we do and it prints, and goes to the imagesetter which happily creates the film (we do it all in-house). In addition, with Imp Pub Pro when the registration marks are added it assumes that the bottom left printing boundary including the marks is now the origin. This does not happen on Op Pro: 1) It just crops to the page size -- okay, I handle this by creating a "slightly larger than A4" page but it's irritating. 2) Op Pro also includes the registration marks in the printing boundary, but it does it by making the bottom left coordinates negative which means that I have to either set "Centre" or change the origin settings. Now for me this is not a problem although I'd be severely annoyed if I kept printing bad films because I'd forgotten to change a couple of settings. However the person who does the ad setting is not an expert on Acorn's, and using a Mac with preset options means that he never has to worry about such things on the Mac either. I'm not sure what the best solution is. I intensely dislike the way the origin settings are made negative and just stopping that would mean that at least, if the paper size was wrong, the user would notice that something was amiss. I would generally prefer to have the Imp Pub Pro option of forcing the printer driver to accept a larger print area -- not sure how that's achieved, perhaps it just gives it a larger area and (being dumb) the PD just accepts it and uses it. That could be implemented as part of the page size warning dialogue so you'd have three buttons: Cancel, Crop and Bigger :-) done by someone else who is not an expert on OvPro. -- Steve Turnbull (steve@turnbull.cix.co.uk) http://www.cix.co.uk/~turnbull/ .... Do it anyway! David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 14:09:31 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73095 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 14:09:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901016834:20:15757:17; Tue, 21 Jul 98 10:27:14 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108150; 21 Jul 98 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA01785 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:15:06 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01779 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:14:54 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.140]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA1F62 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:14:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:58:39 +0200 Message-ID: <48691160dbdelink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Fully Justify? In-Reply-To: <897dab6848%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 20 Jul, David Graddol wrote (as a reply to the fully justify problems in OPro): > This postscript problem is also giving me serious headaches. > It happens not only with enhanced justification but also with > auto-kerning set. If auto-kerning is set as part of the paragraph style, > then the text has a ragged right edge when printed to a postscript > printer > but a justified edge when printed via a pcl printer driver (even to the > same printer). The text is justified ok if auto-kerning is turned off. > This means that I can't use kerning which tends to make the typography > look a little crap. Certainly it doesn't enhance the reputation of > Acorn at the printers and pre-press bureau. I just get told 'well, if > you don't use the industry standard'.... And Keith Hopper replied on 21 Jul, pointing to the side-bearing problem of fonts (he even added an OPro document as an example): > There are three apparent cases - ordinary justification, enhanced > justification and this additional problem to do with kerning. This > suggests to me that this may well have something to do with the differing > side-bearings of different characters. etc. But... Again, and again, and again, I want to repeat (as a machine gun) that Impression Publisher - also offering auto-kerning - DOES fully justify perfectly, with the same fonts and with the same printer driver, with similar text and in identical frames. So, even if there IS a printer driver problem, then it must be possible to program around it. Publisher proves it. I've printed pamphlets professionally for many years now (with a normal Acorn postscript driver), never facing any real problem. Returning to Publisher is something I'd rather avoid, but then I expect Ovation Pro to do the basical things without failures. Fully justify is such a thing and worth a serious look at. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 14:09:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73098 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 14:09:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901021098:20:23009:16; Tue, 21 Jul 98 11:38:18 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022830; 21 Jul 98 11:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA02143 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:23:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA02138 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:23:42 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.212) [193.130.245.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyaWU-0004AW-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:23:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:22:17 +0100 Message-ID: <4869088c59sknatt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Word7 into OPro (and Word Perfect 6) In-Reply-To: <73028@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 21 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > I want / need to do some work at home during the coming holiday season, > the problem is at work we have to use the Pc clones and MS Word. I have the same problem ( or rather my wife makes it my problem!). At college she "has" to use WordPerfect for project work. She brings the work home and has to load it onto WP on my PCcard. She then moans a lot when it crashes and wont do what she wants too, my reply usually is " to use the RiscOS side! Is there a way to load WP documents into OP, edit then return to WP format? Steve. -- Steve Knattress, using RiscPC(SA) through Argonet, with !Voyager (1.18) and !Pluto -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 21:02:53 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73162 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 21:02:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901046462:10:09115:16; Tue, 21 Jul 98 18:41:02 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009067; 21 Jul 98 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03035 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:25:50 +0100 Received: from hera.cuci.nl (hera.cuci.nl [194.183.100.65]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03030 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:25:37 +0100 Received: from dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (dionysus.fw.cuci.nl [10.0.0.4]) by hera.cuci.nl (8.8.8/BuGless_2.02) with ESMTP id UAA21714 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:25:49 +0200 Received: from woltersd.cm.cuci.nl (woltersd.cm.cuci.nl [10.1.9.149]) by dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (8.8.8/BuGless_2.02) with SMTP id UAA14908 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:25:47 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:24:20 +0100 (BST) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: Master pages To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <73031@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 21 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > forwarded from the old maillist address... > > > From: Steve > > > Hello David > > I am trying to set up some master pages for some forms that we use at work. > > Essentially I need to produce two pages. When I first start to type in my > work I need it to be on a front page, but all subsequent pages need to be > slightly different, and at work all simply called continuation pages. > > The first page has lots of personal information and legal heading on it, > and the second and subsequent only have a little info on them. > > Despite trying I cannot get the text to flow from on page to the other, it > simply flows onto the same page that I started with. > > Again at work the computers use MS Word and have had template files set up > on them that allow what I want to happen. > > So, is it, will it be possible on my superior RPC and OvationPro ? > A possible solution is to make the second page the master page. If you have done so, you can alter the first page of your document (not the masterpage!) to your liking. You have now a document with two different layouts and the text will flow form the first page to te following pages. The first page is your changed page, the following pages are the masterpages. -- D.Wolters, Stationsplein 25, NL-6221 BT Maastricht e-mail: woltersd@cuci.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 21:48:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73166 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 21:48:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901046700:20:16079:19; Tue, 21 Jul 98 18:45:00 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016004; 21 Jul 98 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03085 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:31:36 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA03075 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:31:15 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyhCL-0004av-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:31:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 98 19:11:59 GMT Message-Id: <73155@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Some nasty bugs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Here's an example. The text should be dropped in a frame of 64.22mm width. >My Postscript output is then rather badly fully justified. >(The GillSans font is the actual Eric font from EFF's font CD-Rom.) Thank you for the example. I don't have the font. Maybe you could send it to me privately - I think we're talking PD fonts here. Trying the example with Trinity or Homerton. I'd say the case was not proven. There are several things going on here, and what one person is seeing is not necessarily the same effect as some one else is talking about. The things with enhanced justificaion and tracking, are huge effects, you'd not need to use a magnifying glass, they stick out like a (very) sore thumb. As far as I know there are two ways of achieving justified text using RISC OS. One consists of drawing a rectangle and telling the font manager to justify text inside it. The other is to use a font paint command which was introduced relatively late on. This can be told to add extra space to each space character and each letter. The old Ovation program (and I would guess Impression) uses the former technique. OvationPro uses the latter. It does this for two reasons; (1) To support enhanced justification where we want to add space between letters. (2) To allow justification of text at an angle. My interpretation of the enhanced justification problems has been that after adding the extra space the printer driver font painting code forgets to move any distance it is told to by move commands from tracking. I lean towards thinking this problem is printer driver related. If what Mr. Sprangers is talking about is a different problem, rather smaller in size, then I can see some obvious ways in which OPro might be miscalculating things. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 21:48:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73167 for opro ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 21:48:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901047024:20:18731:16; Tue, 21 Jul 98 18:50:24 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125729; 21 Jul 98 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03088 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:31:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA03079 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:31:17 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyhCN-0004av-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:31:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 98 19:26:51 GMT Message-Id: <73157@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Auto save. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am in the process of transfering from Impression to Ovation. If an >Impression document with 'auto save without prompt' is loaded a warning >is given on the first autosave after loading but not thereafter. With >Ovation this initial first save prompt is not given it appears, or have >I missed something. I found it a useful safety measure when I messed >around with old documents. My feeling is that this has come up. I guess I perhaps changed the behaviour to what you expect on later versions. But this is a not very trustworthy recollection. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 01:08:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73187 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 01:08:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901065891:10:02157:19; Wed, 22 Jul 98 00:04:51 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002095; 22 Jul 98 0:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA03708 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:51:59 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA03703 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:51:46 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.219) [193.130.250.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yymCY-0001Vd-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:52:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jul 98 22:40:00 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: The big side-bearing problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The small appended file shows that the side bearing problem is not >just confined to the left-hand edge. Either I'm totally missing the point here (please correct me if I'm wrong) but don't all your 3 frames have a 1mm inset? Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 14:09:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73206 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 14:09:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901077443:20:18838:16; Wed, 22 Jul 98 03:17:23 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105309; 22 Jul 98 3:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA03921 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:23:29 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA03903 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:22:46 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyoYi-0002aD-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:23:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 03:14:40 GMT Message-Id: <73201@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >We're using 2.45 at IDG since Beebug keep promising to send a new >version and haven't yet (peeved of IDG). Given their current staffing level and that anyone who promised that is now long left, they won't. Just send your discs to Sheridan @ Beebug or email him swilliams@beebug.co.uk. >On Imp Pub Pro, it notices the page size is too small and asks if we >want to increase the page size, which we do and it prints, and goes to >the imagesetter which happily creates the film (we do it all in-house). I actually implemented this a year back. To do so you have to make use of a RISC OS call which is documented as "applications must not use this". Eventually we undid the feature and played safe. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 14:09:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73207 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 14:09:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901075678:10:01191:17; Wed, 22 Jul 98 02:47:58 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117099; 22 Jul 98 2:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA03922 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:23:31 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA03907 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:22:49 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyoYj-0002aD-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:23:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 03:20:22 GMT Message-Id: <73203@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Word7 into OPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I want / need to do some work at home during the coming holiday season, >the problem is at work we have to use the Pc clones and MS Word. Well as far as I know we do have quite a good Word loader. Presumeably for release later this year. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 14:09:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73209 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 14:09:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901076370:10:07077:17; Wed, 22 Jul 98 02:59:30 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120690; 22 Jul 98 2:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA03918 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:23:24 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA03896 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:22:44 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyoYf-0002aD-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:23:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 03:07:01 GMT Message-Id: <73197@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !TransRTF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I dragged the RTF document to the OvPro icon on the icon >bar. After loading, the entire document seems to occupy one line only, every >line superimposed and overlaid one over another. Using the magnifier, the >effect is quite startling. I would be inclined to try and work around this by selecting all the text and then giving it a finite height or leading. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 14:09:54 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73210 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 14:09:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901076905:10:12841:16; Wed, 22 Jul 98 03:08:25 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123422; 22 Jul 98 3:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA03920 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:23:26 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA03901 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:22:45 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyoYh-0002aD-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:23:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 03:12:20 GMT Message-Id: <73199@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >Essentially I need to produce two pages. When I first start to type in my >work I need it to be on a front page, but all subsequent pages need to be >slightly different, and at work all simply called continuation pages. I think what you do is set up the master page for the document to be the design of the continuation page. You then edit the first page of the document to be of the format you require for the front page. Master frames can be localised and pushed over the edge, hidden behind other frames and so on. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 14:10:02 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73214 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 14:10:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901095182:20:18453:26; Wed, 22 Jul 98 08:13:02 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104549; 22 Jul 98 8:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA04552 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:57:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA04547 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:57:42 +0100 Received: from (dewarqcs.demon.co.uk) [158.152.132.188] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yytms-0003dy-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:58:10 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by dewarqcs.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:56:36 GMT Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:56:29 +0100 From: Gavin Dewar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Word7 into OPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <73203@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Quercus Computer System X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <73203@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I want / need to do some work at home during the coming holiday season, > >the problem is at work we have to use the Pc clones and MS Word. > > Well as far as I know we do have quite a good Word loader. > Presumeably for release later this year. > ^^^^^ ASAP please, Gavin -- Gavin Dewar | Quercus Computer Systems | Design & supply of Long Preston, North Yorkshire, BD23 4NS | Process Control Systems tel 01729 840729 fax 01729 840728 | -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 14:10:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73213 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 14:09:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901089932:10:03067:19; Wed, 22 Jul 98 06:45:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110207; 22 Jul 98 6:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA04365 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:25:44 +0100 Received: from axil.wave.co.nz (Axil.wave.co.nz [202.49.46.2]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04360 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:25:30 +0100 Received: from asgard (a8.hn1.wave.co.nz [203.96.193.72]) by axil.wave.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA29342 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:25:53 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: K Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:25:23 +1200 Message-ID: <486981b089asgard@waikato.ac.nz> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: The big side-bearing problem Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 22 Jul, Richard Watkinson wrote: > >The small appended file shows that the side bearing problem is not > >just confined to the left-hand edge. > Either I'm totally missing the point here (please correct me if I'm wrong) but > don't all your 3 frames have a 1mm inset? > Richard Indeed - but the red vertical lines in each case show the irregularity of the 'justification'. As someone else said, the side-bearing satisfies two functions, permitting character spacing to be apparently even and permitting apparent alignment at left/right edges. The problem is that there are these TWO components behind th purpose of having side bearing and, so far as I am aware a font designer usually treats left side-bearing as if its sole purpose were to provide apparent visual alignment and the right side bearing therefore is provided for the character separation role. Now if a fully pairwise set of kerning tables were present then the right side-bearing could be used for right justification alignment. Unfortunately that tends to lead to Very (impractically?) large kerning tables. David's comment on the two methods of rendering a character image tends to suggest that the Acorn FontManager handles this in two ways dependent on the call. What a fascinating subject this is, isn't it? Keith Hopper -- kh Country Residence -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 14:10:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73218 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 14:10:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901098304:10:25955:64; Wed, 22 Jul 98 09:05:04 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106379; 22 Jul 98 9:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA04668 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:45:56 +0100 Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.8]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA04663 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:45:45 +0100 From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 09:46:14 BST Message-Id: <20679.9807220846@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 98 09:46:14 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Word7 into OPro Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 09:04:57 1998 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:56:29 +0100 > From: Gavin Dewar > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Word7 into OPro > X-Organization: Quercus Computer System > X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset=us-ascii> > X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m > Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > X-Maillist: ovationpro > Content-Length: 770 > > In message <73203@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > >I want / need to do some work at home during the coming holiday season, > > >the problem is at work we have to use the Pc clones and MS Word. > > > > Well as far as I know we do have quite a good Word loader. > > Presumeably for release later this year. > > > ^^^^^ ASAP please, Gavin > When It is ready will you kindly let me know as well. John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 14:10:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73220 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 14:10:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901108784:10:20457:20; Wed, 22 Jul 98 11:59:44 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101169; 22 Jul 98 11:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA05005 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:41:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA05000 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:41:29 +0100 Received: from usern034.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.81.67] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyxHT-0000Js-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:41:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:51:19 +0100 Message-ID: <48698f0cb8rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Master pages In-Reply-To: <73199@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 22 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >Essentially I need to produce two pages. When I first start to type in > >my work I need it to be on a front page, but all subsequent pages need > >to be slightly different, and at work all simply called continuation > >pages. > I think what you do is set up the master page for the document to > be the design of the continuation page. > You then edit the first page of the document to be of the format > you require for the front page. Master frames can be localised and > pushed over the edge, hidden behind other frames and so on. I forgot that I actually use the above, and have several master pages stored that way. For single page master pages, you can save them as StyleSheets and put them into the Stationery folder which can be accessed from the icon bar menu. For multipage master pages, you have to save them as documents and then put them into Stationery as before. For example, a front page with letterhead, logos etc and continuation pages with just a blank full page frame. Create the master page with the full page frame, with say 20mm borders. On this, create your letterhead, logos, etc and group the frames. You can include a date field and other writable fields etc. You can also lock this grouped frame in place via the Modify object menu. Set the Runaround on this group to 'Frame' and Standoff to say 5mm - this will define the point at which text will start in the main frame. You can if you wish create a frame larger than the grouped frame to do the same thing, but you must make sure that the grouped frame is on top if you want to enter text into writable frames. So, you end up with all your logos etc on the page, and can start entering your text in the uncovered part of the master frame on the page. Text will then flow into a continuation of the /master/ frame on a new page, which of course will not have the grouped set of frames on. As I said above, I keep all my pages set up in the Stationery folder, where it is a good idea to set their filer access to lock. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 14:10:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73222 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 14:10:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901106403:20:03731:18; Wed, 22 Jul 98 11:20:03 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117320; 22 Jul 98 11:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04903 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:57:16 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04898 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:57:04 +0100 Received: from warwick.ac.uk (caiciss [137.205.160.38]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20430; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:57:26 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35B5C594.19621CF@warwick.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:57:24 +0100 From: Nick Kaijaks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation Pro users Subject: Bugette in !Imposit applet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi folks, Whilst trying to get my head round the imposition scripting format (pass the paracetamol please), I think I've found a small bug in the 'Tile' script in the !Imposit applet. It seems that it works out how much space it needs for bleed and/or printers marks, and then ignores it when actually printing, so you don't get a decent overlap between tiles! The following change seems to give a better result when bleed and printers marks are selected. The edit required is in '!OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile' At the end of the prtileinit() function definition, after the lines: prtiledx=scale(...); prtiledy=scale(...); but before the closing brace, add the lines: prtiledx-=dx; prtiledy-=dy; Alternatively, I've put a modified version of the applet (with a slightly more commented Tile script) on my website: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/Nick.Kaijaks/acorn/ No guarantees, but it seems to work for me. Don't forget to take a backup before changing things, and remember that the original version is on the Beebug website in case of disaster ;-) Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ for internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 16:22:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73237 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 16:22:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901119581:10:23471:16; Wed, 22 Jul 98 14:59:41 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112252; 22 Jul 98 14:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05402 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:47:32 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05397 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:47:21 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yz0BM-0001Na-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:47:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 15:25:01 GMT Message-Id: <73233@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The big side-bearing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > David's comment on the two methods of rendering a character image >tends to suggest that the Acorn FontManager handles this in two ways >dependent on the call. My bet would be that the font manager reduces one of the methods of justifying text to the other. It might still do this more acurately than OPro does. I doubt justification under RISC OS is as sophisticated as this disucssion. What causes the grief is that printer drivers intercept these calls to the font manager, and (I allege) mess up one of them. Looking at your example in the old Ovation, there are still discrepancies between full justified and right justified text. Have you tried this sort of experiment in any other software? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 16:22:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73238 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 16:22:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901119825:10:26219:46; Wed, 22 Jul 98 15:03:45 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025929; 22 Jul 98 15:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05374 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:43:45 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05369 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:43:28 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p39-max3.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.29.163.39]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA075 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:03:00 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Word7 into OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <73203@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by odie.barnet.ac.uk id PAB05374 On Wed 22 Jul, David Pilling wrote: >=20 >=20 > >I want / need to do some work at home during the coming holiday season= , > >the problem is at work we have to use the Pc clones and MS Word. >=20 > Well as far as I know we do have quite a good Word loader. > Presumeably for release later this year. > =20 > David Pilling Great News David....... Put me on the list for one of these as soon as possible after release... --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... Ren=E9 Turner ..Survivor 82... Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz=20 H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury.org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 20:53:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73249 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 20:53:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901137021:10:09686:27; Wed, 22 Jul 98 19:50:21 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009596; 22 Jul 98 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA06334 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:32:09 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA06328 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:31:57 +0100 Received: from (bvista.demon.co.uk) [194.222.32.134] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yz4cp-0001at-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:32:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:40:41 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Re: Master pages To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48698f0cb8rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 22 Jul, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 22 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > Hi, > > > >Essentially I need to produce two pages. When I first start to type in > > >my work I need it to be on a front page, but all subsequent pages need > > >to be slightly different, and at work all simply called continuation > > >pages. > > > I think what you do is set up the master page for the document to > > be the design of the continuation page. > > > You then edit the first page of the document to be of the format > > you require for the front page. Master frames can be localised and > > pushed over the edge, hidden behind other frames and so on. > Snip > For single page master pages, you can save them as StyleSheets and put > them into the Stationery folder which can be accessed from the icon bar > menu. > > For multipage master pages, you have to save them as documents and then > put them into Stationery as before. > > For example, a front page with letterhead, logos etc and continuation > pages with just a blank full page frame. > > Create the master page with the full page frame, with say 20mm borders. > > On this, create your letterhead, logos, etc and group the frames. You can > include a date field and other writable fields etc. You can also lock this > grouped frame in place via the Modify object menu. > > Set the Runaround on this group to 'Frame' and Standoff to say 5mm - this > will define the point at which text will start in the main frame. You can > if you wish create a frame larger than the grouped frame to do the same > thing, but you must make sure that the grouped frame is on top if you want > to enter text into writable frames. > > So, you end up with all your logos etc on the page, and can start entering > your text in the uncovered part of the master frame on the page. Text will > then flow into a continuation of the /master/ frame on a new page, which > of course will not have the grouped set of frames on. > Snip Well, yes, but don't you think this is rather a bodgy way of doing things? I've moaned from the start about (not) being able to make default master frames local (as you can in IP) and/or auto-linking of added master frames *while still retaining the ability to make them local*. I still use IP for a magazine I layout because I wish to have a different size/margins for the first page from the continuing pages. As the first story starts on the first page and runs on to the second, this (unless I'm missing something) is messy to arrange in OP although it can be bodged. At one time, this was not too far down on the 'to do' list (or so John Wallace said!) but I guess its rather slipped these days ;-) Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Parkstone, Poole. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 21:57:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73252 for opro ; Wed, 22 Jul 98 21:57:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901137519:20:12417:20; Wed, 22 Jul 98 19:58:39 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012416; 22 Jul 98 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA06487 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:46:56 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA06482 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:46:44 +0100 Received: from (beeldwerk.demon.nl) [195.173.238.105] by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yz4r0-0007CL-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:47:11 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:46:59 +0200 (BST) From: Henk Huinen Subject: Artworks Black becomes CMY ? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <73203@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Henk Huinen, Stg Creatief Beeldwerk, Bavel, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R When I use an overprint (lets say black on cyan) in Artworks, and put this in Ovation things won't work as an overprint anymore because Artworks black is set to Cyan, Magenta, Yellow in Ovation.... Why does not black remain black??? An other litlle irritating thing is the fact that options not in use are not greyed out. For the rest nothing but respect. Henk Huinen -- Stichting Creatief Beeldwerk Henk Huinen, Haarbeemd 59, 4854MH Bavel, The Netherlands E-mail: henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl http://www.beeldwerk.demon.nl -- s t i c h t i n g _ _ ._ _ _._|_ o _ _|_ |_ _ _ | _| _ ._ | (_ | (/_(_| |_ |(/_ | |_)(/_(/_|(_|\/\/(/_| |< -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 01:50:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73276 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 01:50:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901154445:20:12744:16; Thu, 23 Jul 98 00:40:45 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102746; 23 Jul 98 0:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA07216 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:25:14 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA07208 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:24:53 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yz9CM-0001T0-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:25:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 22:15:24 GMT Message-Id: <73258@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Well, yes, but don't you think this is rather a bodgy way of doing things? It depends, for some situations it is the right way. But as I almost added yesterday, you can think of other situations where it's either messy or doesn't work. I have a great belief in not allowing autolinked frames to be localised and then deleted. However off hand I can't see what would be wrong with allowing them to be localised and resized. >messy to arrange in OP although it can be bodged. At one time, this was not >too far down on the 'to do' list (or so John Wallace said!) but I guess its >rather slipped these days ;-) Well if you'd all like to start a "bring back John Wallace" campaign, things would probably pick up speed on his return. Just amounts to saying lets have more people working on the project. You'd probably have to bring JW back in a sack - but hey, this is important... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 01:51:02 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73278 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 01:51:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901154445:20:12749:17; Thu, 23 Jul 98 00:40:45 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012538; 23 Jul 98 0:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA07215 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:25:14 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA07204 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:24:51 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yz9CJ-0001T0-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:25:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 22:12:56 GMT Message-Id: <73256@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks Black becomes CMY ? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I use an overprint (lets say black on cyan) in Artworks, >and put this in Ovation things won't work as an overprint anymore >because Artworks black is set to Cyan, Magenta, Yellow in Ovation.... >Why does not black remain black??? There's a horrible catch... this is that you load a CMYK image, i.e. an ArtWorks file. But you have the image processing options set to RGB. And so it converts to RGB, and then back to CMYK, which of course spoils things. Set the right image processing mode, and I guess you'll have no problems. But you have to watch this point. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 02:40:31 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73286 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 02:40:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901157103:10:03464:16; Thu, 23 Jul 98 01:25:03 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003370; 23 Jul 98 1:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA07461 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:12:31 +0100 Received: from redback.cobweb.com.au ([203.28.57.1] (may be forged)) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07456 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:12:18 +0100 Received: from bmcelroy.cobweb.com.au (p158.cobweb.com.au [203.26.231.158]) by redback.cobweb.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA01648 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:42:25 +0930 (ACST) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:42:56 +0930 (GMT) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: Word7 into OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 22 Jul, Rene Turner wrote: > On Wed 22 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > >I want / need to do some work at home during the coming holiday season, > > >the problem is at work we have to use the Pc clones and MS Word. > > > > Well as far as I know we do have quite a good Word loader. > > Presumeably for release later this year. > > > > David Pilling > > Great News David....... Put me on the list for one of these as soon > as possible after release... This will be a marvellous boon! Word 9 (97) would be nice. I hope this will be notified through this list. Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:bmcelroy@cobweb.com.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 13:51:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73296 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 13:51:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901189435:10:11608:19; Thu, 23 Jul 98 10:23:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011565; 23 Jul 98 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA07964 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:37:39 +0100 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA07957 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:37:27 +0100 Received: from aylwin.u-net.com [195.102.195.44] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yzHo3-0005gf-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:37:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:35:45 +0100 (BST) From: Jon Aylwin Subject: Re: Word7 into OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Jon Aylwin X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 23 Jul, Barrie McElroy wrote: > On Wed 22 Jul, Rene Turner wrote: > > On Wed 22 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > > > >I want / need to do some work at home during the coming holiday season, > > > >the problem is at work we have to use the Pc clones and MS Word. > > > > > > Well as far as I know we do have quite a good Word loader. > > > Presumeably for release later this year. > > > > > > David Pilling > > > > Great News David....... Put me on the list for one of these as soon > > as possible after release... > > This will be a marvellous boon! Word 9 (97) would be nice. > I hope this will be notified through this list. Whilst not specifically related to Ovation, you may like to know that I've recently discovered a handy utility which will convert Word documents into text files. It's called AntiWord and you can download it from: http://www.winfield.demon.nl/index.html The author is keen to hear any suggestions for improvements or bug reports, and would like to know that people find the program useful so that he is encouraged to develop it further. Cheers -- Jon Aylwin jon@aylwin.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 13:51:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73297 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 13:51:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901189862:10:16036:31; Thu, 23 Jul 98 10:31:02 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015773; 23 Jul 98 10:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA08096 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:18:05 +0100 Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08091 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:17:54 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:18:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:21:29 +0100 Message-ID: <486a1b2417C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer margins- um stuck! In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 23 Jul, Paul Hutton wrote: > I tried this using my HP LJ4L with !Printers 1.54- set printer margins > to zero on a 210 x 297 page, with standard control codes; did a huge > rectangle in !Draw on an A4 portrait page which I enlarged to be more > than A4 size, and got the following margins: Left 5 Right 8 Top 5 > Bottom 8 > Can anyone suggest how I get my margins set in !Printers to be an even > 5mm all around so that OPro prints neatly centred on the page? > I know you can select centre and fit in Opro, but I am doing some rather > catefully measured wedding stationery, and would prefer it to be real > life measurements! Have I been missing something all these years? As I understood things, the printer margins are used essentially as a clipping rectangle, beyond which the printer driver does not attempt to print. It does not use them to reset the origin of the page. I would have set up a frame in OPro, with equal margins top/bottom, and left/right, taking care none of them encroached on the non-printable area. Surely, the frame should then be centred on the page when printed - or am I naive? Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 13:52:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73303 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 13:52:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901189694:20:27886:22; Thu, 23 Jul 98 10:28:14 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112554; 23 Jul 98 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA07916 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:14:55 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA07911 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:14:39 +0100 Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzHT1-00032z-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:15:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:08:24 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Re: Printer margins- um stuck! To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <73026@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro (SNIP) I think this is a bug in Printers. So just do the trick mentioned below (the grey print) again but now change the paper from a4 paper size to a different name (don't use A4 anywhere) with no margins set and you will see that your printer can print much smaller margins! To set up my margins I set them all to zero, then in !Draw I made a 20%= grey rectangle that bleeds off all four sides and printed it (you can leave the middle of the rectangle unfilled to use less ink). I then measured the white margins and set them in the printer driver. It seems to work perfectly for all applications I print from. Dear all I tried this using my HP LJ4L with !Printers 1.54- set printer margins to zero on a 210 x 297 page, with standard control codes; did a huge rectangle in !Draw on an A4 portrait page which I enlarged to be more than A4 size, and got the following margins: Left 5 Right 8 Top 5 Bottom 8 Can anyone suggest how I get my margins set in !Printers to be an even 5mm all around so that OPro prints neatly centred on the page? I know you can select centre and fit in Opro, but I am doing some rather catefully measured wedding stationery, and would prefer it to be real life measurements! Many thanks in advance -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 13:52:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73304 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 13:52:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901189999:20:00878:16; Thu, 23 Jul 98 10:33:19 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118569; 23 Jul 98 10:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA08108 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:18:35 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA08098 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:18:16 +0100 Received: from (beeldwerk.demon.nl) [195.173.238.105] by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzISg-0006pl-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:18:58 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:18:16 +0200 (BST) From: Henk Huinen Subject: Re: Artworks Black becomes CMY ? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <73256@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Henk Huinen, Stg Creatief Beeldwerk, Bavel, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 23 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > >When I use an overprint (lets say black on cyan) in Artworks, > >and put this in Ovation things won't work as an overprint anymore > >because Artworks black is set to Cyan, Magenta, Yellow in Ovation.... > >Why does not black remain black??? > > > There's a horrible catch... this is that you load a CMYK image, > i.e. an ArtWorks file. But you have the image processing options > set to RGB. And so it converts to RGB, and then back to CMYK, > which of course spoils things. > > Set the right image processing mode, and I guess you'll have no > problems. But you have to watch this point. I've tried everything I thought that could be usefull. Everything I could find was set to CYMK. Problem remains. AND.......Another occured: Spot colours from Artworks aren't either imported to OP as spotcolours. They are also set to the four CMYK colours.... For professional users these are serious problems. Regards Henk Huinen -- Stichting Creatief Beeldwerk Henk Huinen, Haarbeemd 59, 4854MH Bavel, The Netherlands E-mail: henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl http://www.beeldwerk.demon.nl -- s t i c h t i n g _ _ ._ _ _._|_ o _ _|_ |_ _ _ | _| _ ._ | (_ | (/_(_| |_ |(/_ | |_)(/_(/_|(_|\/\/(/_| |< -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 15:34:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73316 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 15:34:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901203148:10:12611:40; Thu, 23 Jul 98 14:12:28 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108160; 23 Jul 98 14:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08725 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:56:49 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA08720 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:56:33 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzLrw-0004YR-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:57:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 98 14:29:16 GMT Message-Id: <73312@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks Black becomes CMY ? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >CMYK colours in Artworks Trust me they do work, as long as processing is set to CMYK (as long as the AW colours are CMYK). You'd also be well advised to have OPro 2.49 or later. As to spots this was a problem in the older versions. In the later ones, if you tick 'use spots' on the processing window and create a colour in OPro with the same name as the spot in the AW file then spots will carry over. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 18:11:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73323 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 18:11:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901211226:20:05787:25; Thu, 23 Jul 98 16:27:06 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005573; 23 Jul 98 16:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA09051 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:13:38 +0100 Received: from blaeu.student.uva.nl (blaeu.student.uva.nl [146.50.96.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09046 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:13:22 +0100 Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (md34-186.mun.compuserve.com [195.232.49.186]) by blaeu.student.uva.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA3FEA for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:08:31 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:13:11 +0200 (MESZ) From: Michael Launhardt Subject: Re: Artworks Black becomes CMY ? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > AND.......Another occured: > Spot colours from Artworks aren't either imported to OP as spotcolours. > They are also set to the four CMYK colours.... > > For professional users these are serious problems. Spot colours are imported if you make shure that they have exactly the same name in AW as in OPro. ....and of course they have to be set as spot colours. When you preview your separation plates everything should be fine. Cheers Michael _______________________________________________________________ Michael Launhardt, H. Cleyndertweg 21, NL- 1025 DE Amsterdam T.: +31-(0)20-6371890, mail: Michael.Launhardt@student.uva.nl _______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 18:11:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73324 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 18:11:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901212632:20:20249:18; Thu, 23 Jul 98 16:50:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101258; 23 Jul 98 16:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA09201 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:39:09 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA09192 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:38:53 +0100 Received: from (symictest) [158.152.237.88] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzOP5-0000ME-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:39:39 +0000 Message-ID: <002501bdb658$881cad80$24000461@symictest.u-net.net> From: "Andrew J Bissex" To: Subject: Re: Artworks Black becomes CMY ? Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:39:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Trust me they do work, as long as processing is set to CMYK >(as long as the AW colours are CMYK). >You'd also be well advised to have OPro 2.49 or later. >As to spots this was a problem in the older versions. In the later >ones, if you tick 'use spots' on the processing window and create >a colour in OPro with the same name as the spot in the AW file >then spots will carry over. This may well be caused by having colour correction set in Choices-Colour. The CMYK images only appear to separate as CMYK if NO CORRECTION is set (we're using V 2.50 and despite trying everything this is always the case). This can be a BIG problem if there is an RGB bitmap in the document that does need colour correction when separating to CMYK as you HAVE to use an Imagesetter Colour Table - it's a good job our scanner produces CMYK ........ Andrew J Bissex Micro Laser Designs * ACORN CENTRE OF TECHNOLOGY * 105 Midford Road * PRINTING / IMAGESETTING * Combe Down * SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINT * Bath BA2 5RX info@microlas.demon.co.uk http://www.microlas.demon.co.uk Tel: 01225 833266 Fax : 01225 832200 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 19:12:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73344 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 19:12:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901214355:20:08784:18; Thu, 23 Jul 98 17:19:15 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128957; 23 Jul 98 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA09353 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:07:36 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA09348 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:07:20 +0100 Received: from (symictest) [158.152.237.88] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzOqc-0003dF-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:08:06 +0000 Message-ID: <005601bdb65c$81393b60$24000461@symictest.u-net.net> From: "Andrew J Bissex" To: Subject: Re: Artworks Black becomes CMY ? Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:08:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Ooh yes, I forgot to mention: Sometimes, the separations work properly after re-booting and ensuring NO OTHER software is loaded - particularly Impression :-) The problem seems to get worse the more memory you have (the machines that cause us problems have 64Mb & 96Mb). I remember emailing MrP and he mentioned negative memory addresses???? - still, we never managed to get it working properly :-( Cheers Andrew Micro Laser Designs * ACORN CENTRE OF TECHNOLOGY * 105 Midford Road * PRINTING / IMAGESETTING * Combe Down * SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINT * Bath BA2 5RX andy@microlas.demon.co.uk http://www.microlas.demon.co.uk Tel: 01225 833266 Fax : 01225 832200 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 22:12:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73353 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 22:11:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901221228:10:09713:17; Thu, 23 Jul 98 19:13:48 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103348; 23 Jul 98 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA09756 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:03:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA09751 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:02:58 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.30) [193.130.246.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzQeW-0002i5-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:03:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:28:40 +0100 Message-ID: <486a42406ebric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer margins- um stuck! In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 23 Jul, Paul Hutton wrote: > I tried this using my HP LJ4L with !Printers 1.54- set printer > margins to zero on a 210 x 297 page, with standard control codes; > did a huge rectangle in !Draw on an A4 portrait page which I > enlarged to be more than A4 size, and got the following margins: > Left 5 Right 8 Top 5 Bottom 8 > Can anyone suggest how I get my margins set in !Printers to be an > even 5mm all around so that OPro prints neatly centred on the page? [snip] I have emailed Paul a couple of postings I made on this topic from a week or so back which he appears to have missed. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 22:12:05 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73355 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 22:12:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901223485:20:03546:26; Thu, 23 Jul 98 19:51:25 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112388; 23 Jul 98 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA09926 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:39:45 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA09918 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:39:21 +0100 Received: from (beeldwerk.demon.nl) [195.173.238.105] by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzRDj-0006pL-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:40:08 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:13:49 +0200 (BST) From: Henk Huinen Subject: Re: Artworks Black becomes CMY ? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <73312@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Henk Huinen, Stg Creatief Beeldwerk, Bavel, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 23 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > >CMYK colours in Artworks > > Trust me they do work, as long as processing is set to CMYK > (as long as the AW colours are CMYK). > You'd also be well advised to have OPro 2.49 or later. I'm working with OPro 2.50 But Andrew J Bissex gave a hint (as you will have noticed): NO CORRECTION should be set. And indeed this works. Black=Black Although I wonder if I am glad with this situation. Because 'no correction' means problems on other areas..... AND: (Where the problem started) With this solution the overprint settings from Artworks are neglected! Any clue? Regards Henk Huinen -- Stichting Creatief Beeldwerk Henk Huinen, Haarbeemd 59, 4854MH Bavel, The Netherlands E-mail: henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl http://www.beeldwerk.demon.nl -- s t i c h t i n g _ _ ._ _ _._|_ o _ _|_ |_ _ _ | _| _ ._ | (_ | (/_(_| |_ |(/_ | |_)(/_(/_|(_|\/\/(/_| |< -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 22:12:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73359 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 22:12:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901223504:10:02766:21; Thu, 23 Jul 98 19:51:44 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002494; 23 Jul 98 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA09924 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:39:42 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA09914 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:39:18 +0100 Received: from (beeldwerk.demon.nl) [195.173.238.105] by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzRDi-0006pL-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:40:06 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:39:24 +0200 (BST) From: Henk Huinen Subject: No Artworks spotcolours in OPro... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <73312@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Henk Huinen, Stg Creatief Beeldwerk, Bavel, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 23 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > As to spots this was a problem in the older versions. In the later > ones, if you tick 'use spots' on the processing window and create > a colour in OPro with the same name as the spot in the AW file > then spots will carry over. I'm working with version 2.50. But I can't get it working. Same name (spot1), same colour (100% cyan 50% yellow) in Artworks and OPro. Use spots ticked 'on'. Colour correction OFF. Otherwise the spotcolour becomes CYMK again. Result as print and in 'vieuw seperations': The spotcolour from Artworks disapeares.... I believe you that it should work, but I can't work out the puzzle. What am I overseeing or missing? Regards, Henk Huinen -- Stichting Creatief Beeldwerk Henk Huinen, Haarbeemd 59, 4854MH Bavel, The Netherlands E-mail: henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl http://www.beeldwerk.demon.nl -- s t i c h t i n g _ _ ._ _ _._|_ o _ _|_ |_ _ _ | _| _ ._ | (_ | (/_(_| |_ |(/_ | |_)(/_(/_|(_|\/\/(/_| |< -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 22:12:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73361 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 22:12:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901224092:10:08135:18; Thu, 23 Jul 98 20:01:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109302; 23 Jul 98 20:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA10038 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:51:17 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA10033 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:51:03 +0100 Received: from (beeldwerk.demon.nl) [195.173.238.105] by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzRP4-00071n-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:51:50 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:51:37 +0200 (BST) From: Henk Huinen Subject: Re: Printer margins- um stuck! To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <486a42406ebric@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Henk Huinen, Stg Creatief Beeldwerk, Bavel, The Netherlands X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 23 Jul, Brian Carroll wrote: > On 23 Jul, Paul Hutton wrote: > > > > I tried this using my HP LJ4L with !Printers 1.54- set printer > > margins to zero on a 210 x 297 page, with standard control codes; > > did a huge rectangle in !Draw on an A4 portrait page which I > > enlarged to be more than A4 size, and got the following margins: > > Left 5 Right 8 Top 5 Bottom 8 > > > Can anyone suggest how I get my margins set in !Printers to be an > > even 5mm all around so that OPro prints neatly centred on the page? > > [snip] > > I have emailed Paul a couple of postings I made on this topic from a > week or so back which he appears to have missed. I had the same problem with my Lexmark Optra S1250.... I called the Lexmark helpdesk. A technician came over. He 'played' with my printer for a while, and now it prints very accurate!! The margins set in !printers are were they are supposed to be. When I print both sides of a sheet, the cropmarks and registration marks are even on the same place if you hold it against the light!! I mean: It could be a hardware problem. In my case it was. BTW The Lexmark technician was very impressed by the way my 'very strange' (in the Netherlands hardly known) computer worked with their (postscript) printer. Henk Huinen -- Stichting Creatief Beeldwerk Henk Huinen, Haarbeemd 59, 4854MH Bavel, The Netherlands E-mail: henkhuinen@beeldwerk.demon.nl http://www.beeldwerk.demon.nl -- s t i c h t i n g _ _ ._ _ _._|_ o _ _|_ |_ _ _ | _| _ ._ | (_ | (/_(_| |_ |(/_ | |_)(/_(/_|(_|\/\/(/_| |< -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 23:26:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73371 for opro ; Thu, 23 Jul 98 23:26:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901230020:20:03238:16; Thu, 23 Jul 98 21:40:20 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003169; 23 Jul 98 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA10426 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:29:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA10421 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:29:18 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.219) [193.130.245.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzSwA-00069N-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:30:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Ward To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:25:37 +0100 Message-ID: <486a108866johnward@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Master pages In-Reply-To: <73258@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 22 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > Well if you'd all like to start a "bring back John Wallace" campaign, > things would probably pick up speed on his return. Oh, so he has gone too. > Just amounts to saying lets have more people working on the project. That seems a good idea anyway -- help to ease the load, at least. > You'd probably have to bring JW back in a sack - but hey, this is > important... Unfortunately I (and no doubt many others) don't have any of the inside knowledge of what happened to him or anyone else for that matter, so do not understand that sentence. -- John M Ward : "ZFC A" and a member of "Convergence International" Long-term Acorn user, and expecting to continue thus indefinitely. Looking forward to sharing my home with Phoebe and Peanut soon :) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 01:05:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73379 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 01:05:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901233830:10:21935:16; Thu, 23 Jul 98 22:43:50 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122085; 23 Jul 98 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA10645 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:26:50 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA10627 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:26:13 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzTpE-0000p9-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:27:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 98 22:19:26 GMT Message-Id: <73364@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No Artworks spotcolours in OPro... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Same name (spot1), same colour (100% cyan 50% yellow) in Artworks and OPro. >Use spots ticked 'on'. >Colour correction OFF. Otherwise the spotcolour becomes CYMK again. >Result as print and in 'vieuw seperations': The spotcolour from Artworks >disapeares.... >What am I overseeing or missing? Again send me (by private email) a hopefully small example and I'll tell you. Incidentally I've quoted OPro versions, and it's more important to have the latest colour supplement - 1.03. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 01:05:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73380 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 01:05:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901234672:20:12869:18; Thu, 23 Jul 98 22:57:52 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012846; 23 Jul 98 22:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA10643 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:26:44 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA10634 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:26:16 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzTpJ-0000p9-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:27:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 98 22:30:20 GMT Message-Id: <73366@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printer margins- um stuck! X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Can anyone suggest how I get my margins set in !Printers to be an >> even 5mm all around so that OPro prints neatly centred on the page? The problem is of course if your printer has a 10mm left margin and a 5mm right margin, and you want to print stuff in the middle of the paper. Obviously you can do that with a 10mm margin on both sides. Otherwise you have to hope there's some hardware or software mechanism which allows for this to be corrected. This can be the case but how do you find out? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 01:05:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73381 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 01:05:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901233980:10:23781:18; Thu, 23 Jul 98 22:46:20 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023688; 23 Jul 98 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA10676 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:35:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA10669 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:35:35 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.114) [193.130.245.114] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzTyK-0000JZ-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:36:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(R.V. Hughes) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Jul 98 (22:03:48 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Latest version of Ovpro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Perhaps somebody wiser can help a newcomer.I bought 2.46 at Wakefield and upgraded to 2.49 from the web site. However I have seen refrences to 2.50, is this a beta version or what ? Or do I have a good imagination ? -- bob.hughes@argonet.co.uk R.V.HUGHES -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 01:05:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73382 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 01:05:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901234951:10:03456:21; Thu, 23 Jul 98 23:02:31 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105390; 23 Jul 98 23:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA10642 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:26:41 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA10628 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:26:13 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzTpB-0000p9-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:26:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 98 22:18:49 GMT Message-Id: <73362@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks Black becomes CMY ? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This may well be caused by having colour correction set in >Choices-Colour. The CMYK images only appear to separate as >CMYK if NO CORRECTION is set (we're using V 2.50 and despite >trying everything this is always the case). The 'no correction' setting refers the the curves which are used to convert RGB to CMYK. Question for you is why RGB to CMYK would affect CMYK images, and the answer can only be if you've got RGB image processing set on one. >Sometimes, the separations work properly after >re-booting and ensuring NO OTHER software is >loaded - particularly Impression :-) >The problem seems to get worse the more memory you >have (the machines that cause us problems have 64Mb >& 96Mb). I remember emailing MrP and he mentioned All very mysterious, and not what I would expect. You send me (by private email) an example and I'll sort it out. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 03:06:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73402 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 03:06:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901244252:10:24636:16; Fri, 24 Jul 98 01:37:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024563; 24 Jul 98 1:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA11257 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:22:32 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA11243 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:22:04 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzWZO-00048t-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:22:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 01:07:00 GMT Message-Id: <73383@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Latest version of Ovpro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Perhaps somebody wiser can help a newcomer.I bought 2.46 at Wakefield and >upgraded to 2.49 from the web site. However I have seen refrences to 2.50, is >this a beta version or what ? Or do I have a good imagination ? 2.50 is available from http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html and pretty safe now. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 03:06:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73405 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 03:06:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901244144:20:22009:17; Fri, 24 Jul 98 01:35:44 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119196; 24 Jul 98 1:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA11256 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:22:31 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA11241 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:22:03 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzWZR-00048t-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:22:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 01:07:13 GMT Message-Id: <73385@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Well if you'd all like to start a "bring back John Wallace" campaign, >Oh, so he has gone too. Everybody has gone. >Unfortunately I (and no doubt many others) don't have any of the inside >knowledge of what happened to him or anyone else for that matter, so do >not understand that sentence. John Wallace was Beebugs software manager for more or less all the 15 years he worked for Beebug. About 12 months ago, he came to the conclusion that there was no future at Beebug. He left, got a job in the PC world, and he tells me he is now happy and well paid. JW was the main motivating force behind OPro. He designed the templates, wrote the manual, and talked me into writing it. What happend to Beebug was just that their sales were not sufficient to support the substantial number of staff they had. So a lot had to go, and the company is now of more typical Acorn market company size. JW thus showed considerable foresight. You'd have to bring him back in a sack because he'd be taking a 50% pay cut, and going to live with the threat that at any moment someone at Acorn will decide they're not that fussed about making computers... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 03:06:31 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73406 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 03:06:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901244274:20:22768:22; Fri, 24 Jul 98 01:37:54 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022582; 24 Jul 98 1:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA11259 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:22:42 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA11250 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:22:11 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzWZW-00048t-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:22:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 02:10:12 GMT Message-Id: <73389@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Justified text printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've resolved the problem printing justified text which Paul Sprangers raised a few days back. Seemingly this is entirely an OvationPro problem - I've not been declaring fonts as requiring auto kerning data to be downloaded to the printer. The problem will arise if you have fully justified text with auto kerning on, the font has to be downloaded into the printer, the font has to have kerning data, and you'll probably only see it, if that data has a substantial effect. It will also only happen with PostScript printing. This is however an important bug to have fixed. Alas the other odd problems with enhanced justification etc. will remain. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 14:10:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73414 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 14:10:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901262972:20:02660:17; Fri, 24 Jul 98 06:49:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112362; 24 Jul 98 6:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA11683 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:36:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA11677 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:36:45 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.232) [193.130.245.232] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzbU1-0004Qq-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:37:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:28:57 +0100 Message-ID: <486a8431d6bric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer margins- um stuck! In-Reply-To: <486a42406ebric@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 23 Jul, Brian Carroll wrote: [snip] > I have emailed Paul a couple of postings I made on this topic from a > week or so back which he appears to have missed. It bounced from paul@tyto.demon.co.uk ! If Paul would like to email me I will try again. AND On 23 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > The problem is of course if your printer has a 10mm left margin > and a 5mm right margin, and you want to print stuff in the middle of > the paper. Obviously you can do that with a 10mm margin on both > sides. My understanding is that the margins picked up from whatever is set in !Printers[1], are displayed grey, and act as a mask on what is sent to the output if the displayed text, etc, overlaps into the grey areas. Also, that any 'centreing' mechanism built into an application will position the output relative to the edges of the defined paper size /not/ relative to the displayed printable area. What you say above suggests the latter to me. So can you clarify please, David? [1] What is set may or may not match what the printer can actually achieve - as explored thoroughly in this and previous threads. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 16:33:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73436 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 16:33:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901291185:20:00284:32; Fri, 24 Jul 98 14:39:45 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000347; 24 Jul 98 14:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12358 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:21:52 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA12353 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:21:41 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzik2-0000NV-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:22:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 14:22:03 GMT Message-Id: <73426@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printer margins- um stuck! X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My understanding is that the margins picked up from whatever is set >in !Printers[1], are displayed grey, and act as a mask on what is >sent to the output if the displayed text, etc, overlaps into the grey >areas. Also, that any 'centreing' mechanism built into an >application will position the output relative to the edges of the >defined paper size /not/ relative to the displayed printable area. >What you say above suggests the latter to me. So can you clarify >please, David? OK let me attempt to write down the definitive statement. (1) If you have centre selected then it centres on the paper. (2) If you have centere+fit selected then it works out an area which has equal left/right and top/bottom margins and fits on that (implies centered too). (3) If you just have fit selected then it fits to whatever the printable area is - which of course may not be centred. So in the second case if your printer has left and right margins of 5 and 10mm it will fit on an area with 10mm left and right margins. Presumeably if the first case happened on a printer with non equal margins you could get one side of your page chopped off - which would look like it not being centered. The point I was making is that you can tell the software what you like via !Printers, but if as with some printers you can physically adjust the horizontal position of the paper, and with it the right margin, things won't come out centered unless the hardware agrees with the software settings. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 18:48:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73438 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 18:48:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901296894:10:27665:16; Fri, 24 Jul 98 16:14:54 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027589; 24 Jul 98 16:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12715 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:41:11 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12710 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:40:56 +0100 Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.53.46]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA6693 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:41:40 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:40:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Subject: White gaps etc. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg The Netherlands Schaijk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, As a professional DTP-office we recently started to use Ovation (2.50), but we were confronted with quite a few problems. One of the first was the use of an Artworks spotcolour in Ovation, which should be solved by using the same name etc., but we (and as seems others), can't get it done. The second is the overprint in an Artworks-document which disappears in Ovation. The discussion is going on for some time now, but nobody gave us the right tip yet to manage it. The third problem we had was with the screen angle in postcript-files. It came out different on half of the pages on one film in booklet printing (four-up). In our case (we had written an extension for the !Imposit-applet with 8 pages on one film) we had to throw away 32 full colour films of 650 x 450 mm. Our dealer (XAT-Oss) wrote the applet and solved the postcript problem (in our computers). We think it's good for others to know this, as you problably wouldn't notice the problem before you start printing and then the presses have te be stopped. Another thing we noticed: white gaps between photopicture and border (0,25 mm). The strange thing is: when you zoom in you don't see the gap. And on a rough print you also don't see it. On film (high resolution) you do. Even when you increase the scaling of the picture (not the frame) the white gap remains. It's only on one side of the frame. Most of the time at the bottom, but we saw it also on the left in a few cases. What is going on there? And: we skewed some text and used a drop-cap. Putting it on film via postcript it had nothing to do with WYSIWYG. The fact remains that we like Ovation better than we did Impression, although full colour work is difficult to handle. But this seems to be more a problem of the printer-driver and the scanner-driver, than it is an Ovation problem. Greetings, Arnold van der Heijden (Netherlands) -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 - 463537 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 21:07:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73457 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 21:07:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901305730:10:24264:16; Fri, 24 Jul 98 18:42:10 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125318; 24 Jul 98 18:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA13089 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:26:50 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA13084 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:26:38 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzmZ7-00031y-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:27:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 19:18:34 GMT Message-Id: <73453@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: PS printing bug warning X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to Paul Reuvers of XAT for pointing this out. If you use a print format where some of the pages on a sheet are inverted then the post script angles on the inverted pages will return to their defaults. The fix is to edit the !ColSupp.Library.!PSCode file... void cscopiesevent(int user,int view) { string s; if(csprtype==0) { if(csdoscreen) { csdoscreen=0; <------------------- if(csreadpsscreen()) { Remove the arrowed line. Obviously this only applies to PS printing using the booklet format. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 21:07:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73458 for opro ; Fri, 24 Jul 98 21:07:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901307866:10:14002:31; Fri, 24 Jul 98 19:17:46 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014009; 24 Jul 98 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA13259 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:08:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA13254 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:07:58 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.213) [193.130.245.213] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yznD5-0006Nt-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:08:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:38:12 +0100 Message-ID: <486ac6f5a6bric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer margins- um stuck! In-Reply-To: <73426@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > >My understanding is that the margins picked up from whatever is > >set in !Printers[1], are displayed grey, and act as a mask on > >what is sent to the output if the displayed text, etc, overlaps > >into the grey areas. Also, that any 'centreing' mechanism built > >into an application will position the output relative to the edges > >of the defined paper size /not/ relative to the displayed > >printable area. What you say above suggests the latter to me. So > >can you clarify please, David? > OK let me attempt to write down the definitive statement. > (1) If you have centre selected then it centres on the paper. > (2) If you have centere+fit selected then it works out an area > which has equal left/right and top/bottom margins and fits on that > (implies centered too). > (3) If you just have fit selected then it fits to whatever the > printable area is - which of course may not be centred. Thanks, David, that makes it very clear as far as OPro is concerned: I did not quite appreciate the 3 actions. > So in the second case if your printer has left and right margins of > 5 and 10mm it will fit on an area with 10mm left and right margins. Yes, I now understand what you were getting at before. > Presumeably if the first case happened on a printer with non equal > margins you could get one side of your page chopped off - which > would look like it not being centered. That's true for any application which displays the grey margins if you let your work overlap them. Always assuming you have correctly set the printer's true physical margins in !Printers, of course. I think this is always the first very important step in getting the printout you expect. > The point I was making is that you can tell the software what you > like via !Printers, but if as with some printers you can physically > adjust the horizontal position of the paper, and with it the right > margin, things won't come out centered unless the hardware agrees > with the software settings. Exactly :-) Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 25 03:35:28 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73489 for opro ; Sat, 25 Jul 98 03:35:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901333819:20:26004:16; Sat, 25 Jul 98 02:30:19 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025799; 25 Jul 98 2:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA13891 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:17:19 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA13886 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:17:07 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yztuV-0000RA-00; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 02:18:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 03:00:37 GMT Message-Id: <73481@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: White gaps etc. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The second is the overprint in an Artworks-document which disappears in >Ovation. The discussion is going on for some time now, but nobody gave us >the right tip yet to manage it. Thanks to an example from Henk Huinen, I can tell you what the answer is. The AW applet is only handling the AW overprint flag correctly for spot colours. Either printing a spot colour or printing on a spot plate. You might call this a bug, it's also a result of going against the grain - the AW applet was not originally designed to get overprint info from AW files. Probably some sort of workaround can be arranged with the above info. Fixing this AW problem will probably require extensive work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 25 14:38:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73492 for opro ; Sat, 25 Jul 98 14:38:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901342083:20:18720:18; Sat, 25 Jul 98 04:48:03 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018709; 25 Jul 98 4:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA14008 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 05:37:32 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA14003 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 05:37:18 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (as5200-25.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.85]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22133 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:39:01 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:07:18 +1200 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: PS printing bug warning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <73453@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 25 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > csdoscreen=0; <------------------- > if(csreadpsscreen()) > { > > Remove the arrowed line. > > Obviously this only applies to PS printing using the booklet format. David: Does this mean that we can safely remove the line for all print jobs, or that we take it out only for those printed 4-up and in colour (and reinstate it after)? tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 25 14:38:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73497 for opro ; Sat, 25 Jul 98 14:38:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901370431:20:20221:17; Sat, 25 Jul 98 12:40:31 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120479; 25 Jul 98 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA14402 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:25:23 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14393 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:25:01 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p43-max2.ham.ihug.co.nz [202.49.253.107]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:34:59 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: V2.50... no Template fields To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <73426@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by odie.barnet.ac.uk id NAB14402 Status: R On Sat 25 Jul, David Pilling wrote: Hi David and Gang.... Sadly I downloaded 2.50 Ov. Pro. did exactly as i was instructed and installed a new version of 2.46 as the upgrade told me along with !ColSupp. then as instructed i used install and freshen to upgrade... the new version now gives me "Message from Ovation Pro..... Template Fields not found" and refuses to load..... what do i do now... =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... Ren=E9 Turner ..Survivor 82... Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz=20 H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury.org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 25 14:38:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73498 for opro ; Sat, 25 Jul 98 14:38:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901373182:20:07726:19; Sat, 25 Jul 98 13:26:22 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119918; 25 Jul 98 13:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA14537 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:14:00 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA14529 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:13:46 +0100 Received: from (pargeter.demon.co.uk) [158.152.251.192] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z04A3-00071N-00; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:14:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:16:00 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Pargeter Subject: Hyphenation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Pargeter Computing X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi I'm fairly new to Ovation Pro and have a couple of questions about hyphenation: 1. The manual states that words added to the hyphenation dictionary are only used when a piece of text is re-flowed. Is it possible to re-flow the entire document without fiddling with each chapter individually? 2. Is there any way to do a find/replace on soft hyphens, i.e. those added with Ctrl-hyphen? Thanks in advance Mike -- mailto:Mike.Pargeter@bcs.org.uk http://www.pargeter.demon.co.uk/mike/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 25 18:21:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73523 for opro ; Sat, 25 Jul 98 18:21:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901383178:20:13424:16; Sat, 25 Jul 98 16:12:58 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107525; 25 Jul 98 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA14771 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:48:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA14759 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:48:07 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.106) [193.130.246.106] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z06ZR-0003sH-00; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:49:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:20:36 +0100 Message-ID: <486b38b457charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: V2.50... no Template fields In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Jul, Rene Turner wrote: > what do i do now... Try a reload with FORCE and NEW set on? When I first downloaded OvPro this is what I tripped up on... I can't speak for colour supplement because ; a) I wasn't offered it, and b) It is no longer included in the basic package. So I can't help you with that part of the software. Hope this helps -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 25 18:21:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73524 for opro ; Sat, 25 Jul 98 18:21:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901384243:20:20802:16; Sat, 25 Jul 98 16:30:43 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020770; 25 Jul 98 16:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA14767 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:48:35 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA14744 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:47:53 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z06ZD-0001ei-00; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:49:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 16:37:56 GMT Message-Id: <73507@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PS printing bug warning X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does this mean that we can safely remove the line for all print jobs, or that >we take it out only for those printed 4-up and in colour (and reinstate it >after)? I believe you can remove it for all jobs. The idea is that the script inserts some extra code in the PS print file. Just out of good practice this code ensures that PS is only added once. Seemingly though the safest thing is to insert it everytime. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 25 18:21:32 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73525 for opro ; Sat, 25 Jul 98 18:21:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901385325:10:10298:16; Sat, 25 Jul 98 16:48:45 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010292; 25 Jul 98 16:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA14769 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:48:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA14752 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:47:58 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z06ZF-0001ei-00; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:49:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 16:43:19 GMT Message-Id: <73511@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. The manual states that words added to the hyphenation dictionary are > only used when a piece of text is re-flowed. Is it possible to re-flow > the entire document without fiddling with each chapter individually? Yes. Typical trick is to change the Bodytext style definition in some trivial way. For example change the background colour to white. >2. Is there any way to do a find/replace on soft hyphens, i.e. those added > with Ctrl-hyphen? Um I don't know. I suspect not. There'll be the old one of save the doc as DDL and use an editor on it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 25 18:21:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73526 for opro ; Sat, 25 Jul 98 18:21:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901384552:20:22907:17; Sat, 25 Jul 98 16:35:52 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122812; 25 Jul 98 16:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA14768 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:48:37 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA14747 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:47:54 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z06ZE-0001ei-00; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:49:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 16:40:48 GMT Message-Id: <73509@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: V2.50... no Template fields X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > did exactly as i was instructed Didn't! > the new version now gives me > "Message from Ovation Pro..... Template Fields not found" > and refuses to load..... Your new copy of !OvnPro does not have the new templates file inside it. Now part of the upgrade process is to copy a !OvnPro from the upgrade archive over the new !OvnPro on disc. Either you didn't do that. OR you have your copy options set so that new files don't clobber old ones. Refer to the upgrade instructions for how to set the copy options. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 25 18:21:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73529 for opro ; Sat, 25 Jul 98 18:21:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901386448:10:18046:17; Sat, 25 Jul 98 17:07:28 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018023; 25 Jul 98 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA15179 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:55:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA15172 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:55:43 +0100 Received: from (193.130.252.108) [193.130.252.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z07cp-0004jD-00; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:56:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 17:56:31 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Hyphenation Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Whilst we're on the subject of hyphenation, I would be interested - just out of curiosity - in the algorithm which determines where words are split. I can't see much rhyme or reason in it. -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 01:48:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73566 for opro ; Tue, 28 Jul 98 01:48:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901486022:10:25242:16; Sun, 26 Jul 98 20:47:02 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025179; 26 Jul 98 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16943 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:35:15 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA16938 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:35:04 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.189) [193.130.250.189] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z0XWu-0005Vt-00; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:36:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 18:19:42 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: SEX SYMBOLS Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know of a font which includes the two symbols used to indicate the sex of fauna and flora? I'm using Opro to keep a bird watching logbook and it would be nice to use the standard symbols rather than writing male or female. Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 01:48:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73570 for opro ; Tue, 28 Jul 98 01:48:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901508492:10:05762:19; Mon, 27 Jul 98 03:01:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128612; 27 Jul 98 3:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA17741 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:42:56 +0100 Received: from gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au [129.96.250.33]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA17736 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:42:41 +0100 Received: from 009975 (sturt34.sturt.flinders.edu.au [129.96.238.34]) by gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SM Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980727120421.00968140@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au> X-Sender: secpc@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:04:21 +0900 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Carl Cepurneek Subject: Re: SEX SYMBOLS In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 22:56 26/07/98 +0100, you wrote: >In on Sun 26 Jul, Richard Watkinson wrote: >> Does anyone know of a font which includes the two symbols used to indicate >> the sex of fauna and flora? I'm using Opro to keep a bird watching >> logbook and it would be nice to use the standard symbols rather than >> writing male or female. > >If you mean the circles with the cross and arrow then I know of two. ... Note that these are also the astronomical (or astrological) symbols for Mars and Venus so you might also look for 'astro' type fonts and find some additional styles there. cpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 01:48:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73571 for opro ; Tue, 28 Jul 98 01:48:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901472189:20:15392:27; Sun, 26 Jul 98 16:56:29 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015219; 26 Jul 98 16:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA16654 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:43:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA16649 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:43:26 +0100 Received: from (infotech.demon.co.uk) [158.152.71.246] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z0Tue-0001Mi-00; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:44:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:23:38 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: V2.50... no Template fields To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Rene, > On Sat 25 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > Hi David and Gang.... > Sadly I downloaded 2.50 Ov. Pro. > did exactly as i was instructed and installed a new version of 2.46 as > the upgrade told me along with !ColSupp. > then as instructed i used install and freshen to upgrade... > > the new version now gives me > "Message from Ovation Pro..... Template Fields not found" > and refuses to load..... > > what do i do now... Make sure you drop the OvnProv in the upgrade ontop of the !OvnPro version which you have been upgrading. It seems that certain files are not copied across unless you do so! Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _________________________________________ | '__| / _ \ /__ | / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | (_) | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 01:48:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73575 for opro ; Tue, 28 Jul 98 01:48:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901491369:20:16325:26; Sun, 26 Jul 98 22:16:09 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101957; 26 Jul 98 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17151 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:00:51 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA17146 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:00:39 +0100 Received: from (beard.demon.co.uk) [158.152.36.33] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z0YrY-00014b-00; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:01:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:56:40 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: SEX SYMBOLS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 523 days, 2 hours, 3 minutes, 20 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 26 Jul, Richard Watkinson wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which includes the two symbols used to indicate > the sex of fauna and flora? I'm using Opro to keep a bird watching > logbook and it would be nice to use the standard symbols rather than > writing male or female. If you mean the circles with the cross and arrow then I know of two. Both of them are on the EFF PD CD. They're "BigBats" where the symbols are rather bold and "MortBats" where the symbols are fairly normal. If you don't have the CD then email me and I'll send them to you (they're PD so there should be no problem with that). -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 Genius is the talent of a man who is dead. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 01:48:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73577 for opro ; Tue, 28 Jul 98 01:48:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901493114:20:29212:17; Sun, 26 Jul 98 22:45:14 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2122841; 26 Jul 98 22:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17287 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:33:23 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA17282 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:33:11 +0100 Received: from (bvista.demon.co.uk) [194.222.32.134] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z0ZNG-0003eO-00; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:34:38 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:17:57 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Re: SEX SYMBOLS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 26 Jul, Richard Watkinson wrote: > Does anyone know of a font which includes the two symbols used to indicate the > sex of fauna and flora? I'm using Opro to keep a bird watching logbook and it > would be nice to use the standard symbols rather than writing male or female. > > Richard I've got a font called BigBats (where 'Bats' refers to Dingbats rather than the flying mammals!) which has the male & female symbols at ASCII &4b and &4c (also repeated at &6b and &6c). Dunno where I got it from though, but it's probably pd. Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Parkstone, Poole. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 01:49:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73591 for opro ; Tue, 28 Jul 98 01:49:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901582713:10:05699:16; Mon, 27 Jul 98 23:38:33 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005655; 27 Jul 98 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA19373 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:16:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA19368 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:15:53 +0100 Received: from (193.130.251.68) [193.130.251.68] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z0wUu-0002sc-00; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:16:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 23:47:36 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: SEX SYMBOLS Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for the replies, I've got the EFF public domain fonts CD and I found the symbols though they're not brilliant. The female one is fine but the male a bit iffy. No matter it's a start. I wonder if there is anything better on the eff1 professional typography CD which I've also got. (I'm away from home with machine but no manuals). Thanks again Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 03:23:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73634 for opro ; Tue, 28 Jul 98 03:23:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901588604:20:06249:22; Tue, 28 Jul 98 01:16:44 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107503; 28 Jul 98 1:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA19568 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:57:53 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA19563 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:57:43 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z0y5T-0001E5-00; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:57:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 17:34:13 GMT Message-Id: <73552@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Whilst we're on the subject of hyphenation, I would be interested - just out >of curiosity - in the algorithm which determines where words are split. >I can't see much rhyme or reason in it. Traditionally printers have big dictionaries showing where words should be hyphenated. There are lots of amusing examples of what can happen if you hyphenate a word in the wrong place. Because we can't afford to store an entire hypenation dictionary, the algorithm consists of approximate templates based on an analysis of the printers dictionaries. There aren't simple rules you can write down, and the algorithms don't get every single case right. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 17:46:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73665 for opro ; Tue, 28 Jul 98 17:46:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901638373:10:27897:19; Tue, 28 Jul 98 15:06:13 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117697; 28 Jul 98 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA20157 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:38:20 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA20152 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:38:08 +0100 Received: from (krowdrah.demon.co.uk) [158.152.151.91] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z1AtV-00041L-00; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:38:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:57:51 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Thesaurus set up from icon bar? To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I know this subject was discussed some time ago, but does anyone know roughly when setting up the thesarus to run from the toolbox/macro was discussed? I can dowload the archives from the Beebug website, but it will save me ploughing through months and months of the stuff! MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Classic Child Bloopers: A prawn is a kind of selfish -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 19:28:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73670 for opro ; Tue, 28 Jul 98 19:28:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901644526:20:04791:18; Tue, 28 Jul 98 16:48:46 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004644; 28 Jul 98 16:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA20493 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:34:00 +0100 Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.8]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA20488 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:33:47 +0100 From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Tue, 28 Jul 98 17:33:58 BST Message-Id: <12597.9807281633@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from ajax.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Jul 98 17:33:58 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thesaurus set up from icon bar? Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 15:48:57 1998 > Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:57:51 +0100 (BST) > From: Paul Hutton > Subject: Thesaurus set up from icon bar? > To: Ovation Pro Support > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > TEXT/PLAIN> ; > CHARSET=US-ASCII> > X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? > X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] > Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > X-Maillist: ovationpro > Content-Length: 536 > > Dear all > > I know this subject was discussed some time ago, but does anyone know > roughly when setting up the thesarus to run from the toolbox/macro was > discussed? I can dowload the archives from the Beebug website, but it will > save me ploughing through months and months of the stuff! > I have OV Pro 2.50. thasarus will pick up a word from ovation pro. However, I cannot get it to autochange the word. I have to mannually retype the changes Is there an easy way to it dot he correction.? John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 29 03:04:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73701 for opro ; Wed, 29 Jul 98 03:04:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901676677:20:24804:22; Wed, 29 Jul 98 01:44:37 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024696; 29 Jul 98 1:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA21254 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:29:04 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA21249 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:28:52 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z1L3M-00056R-00; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:29:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 02:00:37 GMT Message-Id: <73698@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Maillist News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks are due to Carol Carpenter for some new maillist features. Automatic archiving =================== To the directory; ftp://freenet.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/mailing-lists/ovationpro/ Majordomo will create a new archive each month - and add messages to it as it goes. I believe this means you can look back over shorter periods than the monthly archives on the web pages allow. Maillist Digests ================ You can now subscribe to a digest of the maillist. This means that instead of getting all the messages as they arrive, you get them in groups. It's a good feature if you only have one mailbox and don't want to have it clogged up with lots of messages. On the other hand, users of systems like demon would probably be better off setting up an address just for the maillist. You may recall Ian McD tried running the old list in digest format - for one day - with the old system we were limited to working one way or the other. Now we can do both. Currently it is set to digest either when 1000 lines are reached or 1 day has passed. Send an email to majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with subscribe ovationpro-digest in the body. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 29 14:06:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73714 for opro ; Wed, 29 Jul 98 14:06:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901708123:20:11780:16; Wed, 29 Jul 98 10:28:43 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126529; 29 Jul 98 10:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA21734 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:11:05 +0100 Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21721 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:10:51 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-82-196.bar.es.ibm.net [139.92.82.196]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:53:54 +0200 (BST) From: "James White (Sibelius in Spain)" Subject: Re: Thesaurus set up from icon bar? To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: James White (Sibelius in Spain) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by odie.barnet.ac.uk id LAB21734 On Tue 28 Jul, Paul Hutton wrote: > Dear all >=20 > I know this subject was discussed some time ago, but does anyone know > roughly when setting up the thesarus to run from the toolbox/macro was > discussed? I can dowload the archives from the Beebug website, but it = will > save me ploughing through months and months of the stuff January 1998, it was. Good hunting jw --=20 -------------------------------------------- Sibelius in Spain mailto:jacorn@ibm.net Sibelius in Andaluc=EDa mailto:pmoya@valnet.es -------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 29 21:08:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73751 for opro ; Wed, 29 Jul 98 21:08:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901739795:10:27548:19; Wed, 29 Jul 98 19:16:35 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127087; 29 Jul 98 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA22762 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:58:24 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA22756 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:58:10 +0100 Received: from (tdesign.demon.co.uk) [158.152.66.67] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z1bQz-0001m6-00; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:58:45 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by tdesign.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:12:06 GMT Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:11:58 +0100 From: OvationPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Underlining Message-ID: <163b5d6d48%OvationPro@tdesign.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Organization: TDC X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am trying to set the underlining option in a style (and as an effect) to continuous, rather than word. The 'word' icon remains un-selected but the gaps (tabs) remain blank. Opro 2.50 I generally don't underline, but wish to use it as a seperator between the headings and contents of a list. Is this a bug or is there a trick I have missed ? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 29 23:20:20 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73762 for opro ; Wed, 29 Jul 98 23:20:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901750631:10:01359:19; Wed, 29 Jul 98 22:17:11 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110426; 29 Jul 98 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA23083 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:57:46 +0100 Received: from spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk (root@spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk [129.169.8.9]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23078 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:57:35 +0100 Received: from club.eng.cam.ac.uk (via 95ncp@club.eng.cam.ac.uk [129.169.16.2]) by spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA12158 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:58:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:58:08 +0100 (BST) From: Nigel Parker To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Phoebe and OvPro - performance and updates In-Reply-To: <73759@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Two simple(!) questions: What will be the performance increase for OvPro on Phoebe? Has this been tested yet or maybe estimated? To coincide with Phoebe's release it would be handy for me (perhaps for most people) to have a full reinstall of OvPro rather than upgrade the old (2.45 I think) version. Do beebug have any plans for a full installation of the latest version to be made available? By email/https/post? Out of interest - https would seem to be a safe and very convenient way to distribute software (especially since Browse will soon fully supprt this - its in beta ATM). Anybody have any thoughts on this. Nigel -- Girton College, Cambridge, England, CB3 0JG. Tel: 0411 384803 http://welcome.to/nigels nigel.parker@iee.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 29 23:20:37 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73763 for opro ; Wed, 29 Jul 98 23:20:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901747794:20:16197:18; Wed, 29 Jul 98 21:29:54 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116386; 29 Jul 98 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA22932 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:08:08 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA22927 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:07:56 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z1dSY-0006oi-00; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:08:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 21:25:46 GMT Message-Id: <73759@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Underlining Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >underlining tabs My feeling is that tabs are deliberately not underlined, and that they were once, but pressure of user opinion was against this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 30 01:23:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73766 for opro ; Thu, 30 Jul 98 01:23:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901751854:20:20750:19; Wed, 29 Jul 98 22:37:34 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115779; 29 Jul 98 22:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA23153 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:21:40 +0100 Received: from mnhepc.hep.umn.edu (mnhepc.hep.umn.edu [128.101.222.192]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA23148 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:21:29 +0100 Received: by mnhep.hep.umn.edu for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:22:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:22:04 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-Id: <980729172204.24000122@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> Subject: RE: Phoebe and OvPro - performance and updates Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Out of interest - https would seem to be a safe and very convenient way to >distribute software (especially since Browse will soon fully supprt this - >its in beta ATM). Anybody have any thoughts on this. I don't think you need https to distribute software; only for transmission of credit card numbers or other sensitive information. A password on the web site (as for ANT internet suite, etc) should suffice for the software distribution. There may not be a large number of OvPro users outside of the UK, but https would be a large nuisance to us, given that Acorn cannot and probably will not be able to distribute their module outside the UK. Graham -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 30 03:00:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73788 for opro ; Thu, 30 Jul 98 03:00:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901763527:10:07961:18; Thu, 30 Jul 98 01:52:07 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108318; 30 Jul 98 1:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA23403 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:29:04 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA23398 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:28:53 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z1hX4-0001Pf-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:29:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 02:18:41 GMT Message-Id: <73782@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Phoebe and OvPro - performance and updates X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What will be the performance increase for OvPro on Phoebe? Has this been >tested yet or maybe estimated? Whats a Phoebe? I'm not sure how you measure performance? Traditionally I used to worry about how many 1000 words a second I could spell check, or how fast the text reflowed when you moved a frame. But other people may have different benchmarks. >To coincide with Phoebe's release it would be handy for me (perhaps for >most people) to have a full reinstall of OvPro rather than upgrade the old >(2.45 I think) version. Do beebug have any plans for a full installation >of the latest version to be made available? By email/https/post? I've no idea. Firstly we are not aware of the need for a new version. One would hope it works - although it only takes one bug... It occurs to me that a large chunk of my working time is spent making it harder for people to use software by wrapping it up with printed manuals and discs. Just sticking unprotected copies on the web site would make things enormously easy. Personally (and I don't have to use it) I think the current upgrade system will continue unchanged. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 30 23:14:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73831 for opro ; Thu, 30 Jul 98 23:14:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901833986:20:22894:35; Thu, 30 Jul 98 21:26:26 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022779; 30 Jul 98 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA24601 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:08:35 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24596 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:08:23 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp242.enterprise.net [194.72.195.242]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:36:43 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: OvPro toolbar icons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone done another set - ie redesigned them? I have made a quick check of http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Resourses for Ovation Pro but couldn't see anything. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 15: I'd love to go out with you, but I'm having all my plants neutered. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message