From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 4 13:53:34 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49504 for opro ; Tue, 04 Nov 97 13:53:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878635746:05:11304:74; Tue, 04 Nov 97 09:29:06 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1510698; 4 Nov 97 9:28 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1015401; 4 Nov 97 9:27 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:35:40 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971030.083540.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 21:52:56 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Peter Bond >Yes, but I've been muttering quietly (mostly) every time it happens! Ah thats what the noise is. From: J E Manfield >I may have missed it, but is there yet a correction program for this error in >the original ? I *have* fixed drop caps - to me they now appear perfect. This is yet another bug fixed in 2.47. From: "Howe , Chris" >Using Justified text, I seem to be seeing a discrepancy between >the perfect right hand alignment seen on screen, and the slightly >raggedy right achieved on paper (turbo drivers/BJ 200). >I haven't formally characterised this, but is it a known issue? There's something which I probably should make public. It seems that if you use tracking (or manual kerning) on a line which is justified, then on Acorn printer drivers, the tracking is ignored and so you get a ragged right hand edge. It's news to me if there is a similar problem with CC drivers. Perhaps this comment will give you clues as to where to look for a cause. The other suspect would be using enhanced justification. OPro is unique in offering this, and so is likely to root out some new problems in printer drivers and so on. From: Chris Wragg >Am I missing something, or is there a one-key press to clear all tabs? No. Good idea though. >This was always a frustration in the old Ovation, and it appears to continue in >OvPro. Sometimes I want to set up a set of tabs from scratch, but dragging off >all the defaults first is somewhat tedious. Tip for the day, is that you can select more than one tab at a time, and move them around. From: "m.a.g.gem@podiatry.salford.ac.uk" >It is a lot better in OPro than Ov, where it used to jump >unpredictably all over the place. I would have to join in though. I >still find it too fast for comfort. Is it possible to put in an >option for scroll speed as we have with mouse speed. Please David :-) I'll see. It's a complex subject (like everything) one problem is do you allow the pointer out of the window. I dimly recall there was once a good reason for not doing that, which has now gone. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 4 13:53:40 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49506 for opro ; Tue, 04 Nov 97 13:53:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878635746:05:11321:81; Tue, 04 Nov 97 09:29:06 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1510663; 4 Nov 97 9:28 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1015401; 4 Nov 97 9:27 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:35:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Imperfect Justification? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971030.083500.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:21:59 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Howe , Chris wrote: > Using Justified text, I seem to be seeing a discrepancy between > the perfect right hand alignment seen on screen, and the slightly > raggedy right achieved on paper (turbo drivers/BJ 200). You mean on Enhanced Justification? This seems to be a problem with using either Laser Direct or Turbo Drivers which use CCs version of the font manager and doesn't understand the intricacies of micro spacing. Needless to say, CC say they have absolutely no intention of changing things so that it works on Ovation Pro :-) I did try turning off Laser Direct halftoning options etc, but this led to an even bigger can of worms with text not appearing etc. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 4 13:53:50 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49509 for opro ; Tue, 04 Nov 97 13:53:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878636349:12:14585:84; Tue, 04 Nov 97 09:39:09 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1512906; 4 Nov 97 9:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2000703; 4 Nov 97 9:38 GMT From: Mr R Coleman Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:35:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971104.093523.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 97 22:26:31 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c >> I have recently written a printer status program which sits on the icon >>bar and changes it's icon to reflect the state of the printer on the parallel >>port >How about giving us the URL for your program? Thanks for the reply and it works. As for the URL, the program is under test at the moment but hopefully by the end of the week I'll let you know. All the best Richard -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | coleman@argonet.co.uk (Home) r.i.coleman@brs0602.wins.icl.co.uk (Work) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 5 13:51:50 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49604 for opro ; Wed, 05 Nov 97 13:51:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878720684:12:00321:90; Wed, 05 Nov 97 09:04:44 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519355; 5 Nov 97 9:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1005794; 5 Nov 97 9:04 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:00:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971105.090035.62@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 20:06:00 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Ray Dawson >You mean on Enhanced Justification? Ray Dawson has reminded me that all the stuff about CC printer drivers and enhanced justifcation was thrashed out in this maillist in late March/early April, and between us and CC at the same time. So I'm sorry for saying I knew nothing about the problem. (usually a good opening gambit) David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 5 13:51:55 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49606 for opro ; Wed, 05 Nov 97 13:51:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878720727:12:00538:36; Wed, 05 Nov 97 09:05:27 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519500; 5 Nov 97 9:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae1005794; 5 Nov 97 9:04 GMT From: Chris Johnson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:59:56 +0000 Organization: Subject: Multi-button bar and scrolling To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971105.085956.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:32:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Having tried the new !Macros to give a multi-row button bar, I find one little niggle. When scrolling a page at a time, the scrolling step does not take account of the increased height of the button bar, and so a couple of lines of the document are "lost" under the button bar. I find I often miss things when doing a visual search for a different section or sub-heading, and have to go back through the document again. Chris -- CHRIS JOHNSON (work) mailto: c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry (home) mailto: chris@bulldog.u-net.com Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 5 13:52:01 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49609 for opro ; Wed, 05 Nov 97 13:51:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878720787:05:16029:82; Wed, 05 Nov 97 09:06:27 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1519668; 5 Nov 97 9:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj1005794; 5 Nov 97 9:05 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:00:15 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971105.090015.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 17:41:18 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Ray Dawson >This seems to be a problem with using either Laser Direct or Turbo Drivers >which use CCs version of the font manager and doesn't understand the >intricacies of micro spacing. >I did try turning off Laser Direct halftoning options etc, but this led to >an even bigger can of worms with text not appearing etc. When painting text, the RISC OS font manager allows you to expand each space and each character by fixed amounts. I guess all software except OPro just uses the expand each space feature. The ability to expand characters only appeared in RISC OS 3. My experiments so far seem to show; CC driver + enhanced justification == ragged right hand edge Acorn driver + enahnced justification + tracking == ragged right hand edge I have to do some more tests to prove conclusively where the blame lies. My suspicion would be in the printer drivers. If so we face the usual unhappy situation of either waiting for a bug fix, or messing about with the code to work around the problem. It's important the problem is known about. I'd be interested to hear of any other situations which make justification go wrong. You are right that switching off CC's font manager (halftoning) is a plausible idea for getting around the problem. Although the setting of that is already a compromise. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 5 13:52:09 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49612 for opro ; Wed, 05 Nov 97 13:52:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878720790:12:00704:30; Wed, 05 Nov 97 09:06:30 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1519607; 5 Nov 97 9:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah1005794; 5 Nov 97 9:05 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:59:36 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971105.085936.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:39:11 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971030.083540.15@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > From: "m.a.g.gem@podiatry.salford.ac.uk" > > >It is a lot better in OPro than Ov, where it used to jump > >unpredictably all over the place. I would have to join in though. I > >still find it too fast for comfort. Is it possible to put in an > >option for scroll speed as we have with mouse speed. Please David :-) > > I'll see. It's a complex subject (like everything) one problem is > do you allow the pointer out of the window. I dimly recall > there was once a good reason for not doing that, which has now gone. Is there anything wrong with the 'the further the pointer is from where you started dragging, the faster things will scroll' method? I've always quite liked that scheme. Providing, of course, the scale is sane, (rather than a pixel == line of text, say) -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 5 13:52:23 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49615 for opro ; Wed, 05 Nov 97 13:52:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878720848:05:16359:31; Wed, 05 Nov 97 09:07:28 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519817; 5 Nov 97 9:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak1005794; 5 Nov 97 9:06 GMT From: Colin Mackinlay Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:00:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Dictionaries To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971105.090054.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:20:13 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi, Here are some things I would find useful: A facility to help transfer words between dictionaries. I have finally got around to sorting out my user dictionary and would like to split it into a number of dictionaries for specialised tasks. To do this at present the only thing I can see is to find the word in the user dictionary, open a new one, type it in, add it, go back to the user dictionary, get a new word etc etc. I would very much like to just have one copy of !Words that both OvationPro and WebSpell can use instead of my two separate copies. I need them at the moment because the new WebSpell !MainDict is more extensive than OPro, but OPro contains words that I have added that I would rather not lose. Possible Solution: Some previous dictionary systems in Acorn applications had an export facility which allowed you to output the whole dictionary as a text file. This would enable me to spellcheck the file using my new dictionaries and deal with words systematically. Could this be implemented easily? A more elegant solution would be a "Merge Dictionary" dialogue like a find and replace that could step through one adding the words to the second. Add this word, Next Word, Add all words would be the obvioud buttons. Anyone else think this would be handy? Colin Mackinlay -- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 6 13:41:24 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49712 for opro ; Thu, 06 Nov 97 13:41:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878806268:12:25855:85; Thu, 06 Nov 97 08:51:08 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1506050; 6 Nov 97 8:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2017638; 6 Nov 97 8:50 GMT From: Chris Wragg Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:45:49 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Setting tabs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971106.084549.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 21:59:11 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 29 Oct 97 Roger King wrote: > I always set tabs as a style for an OvPro document. If you require the > tabs to be removed, just remove the tab styles set. For the majority > of my OvPro documents I usually have some 10-12 tab styles set up. Thank you for the suggestion, Roger, which I have used in some documents, but it can take just as much or more time to set up a style, particularly if you are setting up a unique one-off ruler. On Thu 30 Oct 97 (08:35:40 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote in response to my query: > >Am I missing something, or is there a one-key press to clear all tabs? > No. Good idea though. Does this mean it might be included one day? Hope so! > Tip for the day, is that you can select more than one tab at a time, > and move them around. Thanks for the tip, David - I had not discovered this one. Chris -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 6 13:41:38 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49714 for opro ; Thu, 06 Nov 97 13:41:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878806268:12:25870:82; Thu, 06 Nov 97 08:51:08 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1505874; 6 Nov 97 8:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2017638; 6 Nov 97 8:49 GMT From: Keith Goodier Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:46:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Dictionaries To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971106.084609.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 20:12:21 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 5 Nov 97 (09:00:54 +0000), colin@mackinlay.demon.co.uk wrote: >A more elegant solution would be a "Merge Dictionary" dialogue like a >find and replace that could step through one adding the words to the >second. Add this word, Next Word, Add all words would be the obvioud >buttons. > >Anyone else think this would be handy? Yes please :-) -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 6 13:41:52 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49716 for opro ; Thu, 06 Nov 97 13:41:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878807535:05:11756:80; Thu, 06 Nov 97 09:12:15 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1510311; 6 Nov 97 9:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai2017638; 6 Nov 97 8:50 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:45:28 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971106.084528.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Nov 97 14:18:39 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Chris Johnson >Having tried the new !Macros to give a multi-row button bar, I find one >little niggle. When scrolling a page at a time, the scrolling step does >not take account of the increased height of the button bar, and so a If you mean scrolling by clicking on the vertical scroll bar, then this problem (which appears with any button bar height), is fixed in 2.47. From: Ariancylch >Is there anything wrong with the 'the further the pointer is from where >you started dragging, the faster things will scroll' method? I've always >quite liked that scheme. Providing, of course, the scale is sane, >(rather than a pixel == line of text, say) As I say, originally there was some important reason to keep the pointer inside the window. I therefore had some scheme where the closer to the edge of the window you got, the faster scrolling became. I've now provided some functions that let users set up scrolling speed. >From: Colin Mackinlay >I would very much like to just have one copy of !Words that both OvationPro >and WebSpell can use instead of my two separate copies. I need them at the >moment because the new WebSpell !MainDict is more extensive than OPro, but >OPro contains words that I have added that I would rather not lose. Bigger is not always better. Personally I think the OPro dictionary is more useful than the other one (which I made up incidentally). There comes a point where one persons spelling mistakes are someone elses arcane vocabulary. >Some previous dictionary systems in Acorn applications had an export >facility which allowed you to output the whole dictionary as a text file. Err Ovation 1? Seriously, just click menu over the Edit dictionary window and a save box will appear, allowing you to save the dictionary as a text file. Similarly you can drop text files into that window. It helps a lot if the text files you import are in the right order. Which is AaBbCc and not ABCabc. I would rip off the 'sort' utility from inside Peter Bonds indexer applet to do this job. >A more elegant solution would be a "Merge Dictionary" dialogue like a >find and replace that could step through one adding the words to the second. >Add this word, Next Word, Add all words would be the obvioud buttons. Save both dictionaries as text, dump them both into Edit, save the merged file. Run it through the aforementioned 'sort' program, set up to strip duplicates. Of course taking the WebSpell dictionary, saving as text, loading into OPro, and then spell checking it would give a similar effect, but much slower. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 7 13:58:12 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49824 for opro ; Fri, 07 Nov 97 13:58:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878896162:06:24031:33; Fri, 07 Nov 97 09:49:22 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1515493; 7 Nov 97 9:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad1027654; 7 Nov 97 9:47 GMT From: Carl Cepurneek Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:43:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: An applet idea? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971107.094344.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:17:48 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Greetings, The 'Dictionaries' thread generated this reply from David P.: >Of course taking the WebSpell dictionary, saving as text, loading into >OPro, and then spell checking it would give a similar effect, but >much slower. This somehow promted an idea for an applet -- a 'learn key sequence' facility rather like !Zap's but including mouse presses and menu selections. Only a passing thought though, and not really sure exactly how it might be used other than the add to dictionary sequence suggested above. Any comments? cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 7 13:58:22 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49826 for opro ; Fri, 07 Nov 97 13:58:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878896163:05:13146:85; Fri, 07 Nov 97 09:49:23 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1515571; 7 Nov 97 9:49 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae1027654; 7 Nov 97 9:48 GMT From: Colin Mackinlay Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:44:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Dictionaries To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971107.094423.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:27:17 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 06 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > Err Ovation 1? Seriously, just click menu over the Edit dictionary > window and a save box will appear, allowing you to save the dictionary > as a text file. Similarly you can drop text files into that window. Thank you, that's all I wanted! Just couldn't see it in the manual :-) Colin -- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 7 13:58:40 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49828 for opro ; Fri, 07 Nov 97 13:58:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878896245:05:14047:31; Fri, 07 Nov 97 09:50:45 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1515858; 7 Nov 97 9:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1027654; 7 Nov 97 9:48 GMT From: Colin Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:44:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971107.094444.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:25:39 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting a bit pissed off with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in 2.47" (but you can't have a copy)? Colin Thompson FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. Email . . . colinet@atlantis.aust.com Homepage . http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 7 13:58:50 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49830 for opro ; Fri, 07 Nov 97 13:58:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878896249:05:14047:87; Fri, 07 Nov 97 09:50:49 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1515944; 7 Nov 97 9:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak1027654; 7 Nov 97 9:49 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:43:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Dictionaries To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971107.094322.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 10:23:27 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 6 09:10:31 1997 From: Keith Goodier Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:46:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Dictionaries To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 20:12:21 X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Content-Length: 568 On Wed 5 Nov 97 (09:00:54 +0000), colin@mackinlay.demon.co.uk wrote: >A more elegant solution would be a "Merge Dictionary" dialogue like a >find and replace that could step through one adding the words to the >second. Add this word, Next Word, Add all words would be the obvioud >buttons. > >Anyone else think this would be handy? Yes please :-) -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l ----- End Included Message ----- I would also like this. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 7 13:59:04 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49833 for opro ; Fri, 07 Nov 97 13:59:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878896287:05:14367:27; Fri, 07 Nov 97 09:51:27 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1515960; 7 Nov 97 9:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al1027654; 7 Nov 97 9:50 GMT From: David Allen Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:44:03 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Scroll speed To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971107.094403.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:39:08 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 06 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > From: Ariancylch > > >Is there anything wrong with the 'the further the pointer is from where > >you started dragging, the faster things will scroll' method? I've always > >quite liked that scheme. Providing, of course, the scale is sane, > >(rather than a pixel == line of text, say) > > As I say, originally there was some important reason to keep the pointer > inside the window. I therefore had some scheme where the closer to the edge > of the window you got, the faster scrolling became. > > I've now provided some functions that let users set up scrolling speed. > I have been mystified by this thread for the past few days. Is there something wrong with my copy of 2.46? The nearer I approach the edge of the window when dragging, the faster the scroll. Perhaps everyone else is just dragging to the edge too quickly, and missing the fact that a few mms away from the edge the speed is reduced. -- David Allen http://www.se-inf.demon.co.uk/sei/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 7 13:59:09 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49835 for opro ; Fri, 07 Nov 97 13:59:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878896353:06:25416:28; Fri, 07 Nov 97 09:52:33 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516266; 7 Nov 97 9:52 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id am1027654; 7 Nov 97 9:50 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:45:05 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971107.094505.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:22:48 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message you wrote: > Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting terribly > upset with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in > 2.47" (but you can't have a copy)? Oh goody another 'me too' thread. I'd start a petition if I were you faced with such an injustice. Seriously if you want to complain about my performance where it will have some effect email sheridan@beebug.co.uk. He is the Managing Director and could take all sorts of nasty action against me. I would like to point out that David is blameless in this situation he is just pointing out the facts when he says things are fixed. > FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. Am I the only one, or are all us poor FUTURE EDENless people getting terribly upset to keep being told "Coming soon to a computer near you" (but you can't have a copy)? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:30:32 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50008 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:30:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879159913:12:06898:82; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:05:13 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1528668; 10 Nov 97 11:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:04 GMT From: Alan Partridge Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:13:55 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101355.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:16:19 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 07 Nov, Colin Thompson wrote: > Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting a bit pissed off > with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in 2.47" > (but you can't have a copy)? Of course we'd all like 2.47, but I'm certainly not complaining. OvationPro is a super application, it cost me less than 100 UKP, I've had two free upgrades and the author contributes excellent help and advice to this list. Ignore him, Ian. Cheers. -- Alan Partridge, Physics Dept, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:30:40 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50010 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:30:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879159921:12:06898:191; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:05:21 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1528706; 10 Nov 97 11:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:04 GMT From: "Dr. P.N. Young" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:14:38 +0000 Organization: Subject: Dreaded red underlines again! To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101438.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 97 11:38:37 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi David, Another thing which seems to make the underlines appear eveywhere is saving text to the clipboard! Should doing this cause a whirl from the hard disc? I don't seem to remember this happening when I first got OPro, and wonder if I have done something silly. I don't quite see why saving to the clipboard would foul up the dictionary, but is does so reliably at the moment. Is this a known bug, and if so, has it been fixed in 2.47? Best wishes, Peter Young. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:30:48 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50012 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:30:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879159946:06:12210:34; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:05:46 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1528463; 10 Nov 97 11:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:03 GMT From: Keith Parker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:15:41 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101541.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 22:49:04 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 7 Nov 97 (09:44:44 +0000), colinet@atlantis.aust.com wrote: > Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting a bit pissed > off with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in > 2.47" (but you can't have a copy)? Please moderate your language ;-) And I'm running 2.45 :-) Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:30:54 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50014 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:30:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879159953:12:07069:80; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:05:53 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1528637; 10 Nov 97 11:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:03 GMT From: Fred Bambrough Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:15:00 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101500.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:04:30 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971107.094444.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Colin Thompson wrote: > Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting a bit pissed off > with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in 2.47" (but > you can't have a copy)? No, can't say I am. Ovation's really good anyway and it's nice to know that fixes are coming. It's not as if the software is seriously broken. I'd be more concerned if the update info stopped coming because of comments like these. -- Fred Mailto:fred@ypical.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:31:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50016 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:31:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879159954:05:15137:80; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:05:54 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1528638; 10 Nov 97 11:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:02 GMT From: Keith Goodier Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:12:31 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101231.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 22:30:34 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 7 Nov 97 (09:44:44 +0000), colinet@atlantis.aust.com wrote: >Am I the only one, No. > or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting a bit pissed >off with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in >2.47" (but you can't have a copy)? Yes. But David has explained already that it's not something he can do much about from his end. Be nice to get our hands on it though..... -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:31:12 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50018 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:31:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160024:06:12702:33; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:07:04 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1529026; 10 Nov 97 11:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ax1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:06 GMT From: "\"James White (Acorns in Spain" MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:11:28 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101128.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:03:29 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 07 Nov, Colin Thompson wrote: > Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting a bit pissed = off > with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in 2.47"= (but > you can't have a copy)? > No, us poor Acorn owners are not at all pissed off with the DTP capability which appears miraculously to have come out of a tiny software team and is turning heads in the Quark-owning Mac community. Leaving aside the details of the story that Paco Moya turned out two hefty volumes this summer with his RPC/Sibelius/O-Pro package against the one volume last year with his original PowerMac/Finale/Quark and with exactly the same high quality, I would like to say that you probably are in a minority in being somewhat happiness-challenged. Our market does not support a 2000-strong programming team to get a product out in months rather than years, but the quality, originality and constant development are gratifyingly evident. James White Mallorca =20 --=20 ------------------------------------------- Sibelius en Espa=F1a: Mailto:jacorn@ibm.net En Andalucia: Mailto:pmoya@valnet.es Visita a http://www.argonet.co.uk/opus/spain =A1En Castellano! =20 ------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:31:19 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50020 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:31:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160054:05:15627:32; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:07:34 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1529145; 10 Nov 97 11:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ay1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:06 GMT From: Mr John Boyles Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:11:49 +0000 Organization: Subject: Equation Applet? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101149.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 18:33:52 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I teach Mathematics up to A-level and so make quite extensive use of Formul= ix. The main complication is positioning the Formulix frame in O-Pro so tha= t the equations line up with the text. I know that =90Techwriter=91 would b= e ideal, but having bought O-Pro I can not justify the significant extra co= st.(And want to stay loyal) I wondered if it would be possible to write an equation applet along the li= nes of Formulix so that equations could be treated just like normal text? I= notice that some applets (ColPal and StylePal) involve extra windows from = which you can select various options. Would it be possible to have an =90eq= uation=91 window as in Formulix? If this is not possible I noticed that in Formulix=91s Save/Export options = there is one called =90Drawfile y=3D0=91 which is supposed to help vertical= ly aligning embedded formulae. O-Pro would have to recognise this option fo= r it to work! This is my first posting so please do not be too critical. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________= |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines= ___________________________/ jrboyles@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:31:27 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50022 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:31:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160068:05:15627:173; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:07:48 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1529233; 10 Nov 97 11:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id az1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:07 GMT From: Andy's Progs Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:12:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101211.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 17:56:03 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 7 Nov 97 (09:45:05 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message you >wrote: > >> Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting terribly >> upset with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed >in >> 2.47" (but you can't have a copy)? > >Oh goody another 'me too' thread. > >I'd start a petition if I were you faced with such an injustice. > >Seriously if you want to complain about my performance where it will >have some effect email sheridan@beebug.co.uk. He is the Managing >Director >and could take all sorts of nasty action against me. > >I would like to point out that David is blameless in this situation he >is just pointing out the facts when he says things are fixed. > >> FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. > >Am I the only one, or are all us poor FUTURE EDENless people getting >terribly upset to keep being told "Coming soon to a computer near you" >(but you can't have a copy)? > >-- >Ian MacDougall >Beebug Ltd > Sorry to join in this thread, but... Nice one! -- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:31:37 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50024 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:31:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160144:05:16025:29; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:09:04 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1529321; 10 Nov 97 11:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ba1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:07 GMT From: Mr John Boyles Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:13:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Equation Applet? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101335.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 18:48:25 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I teach Mathematics up to A-level and so make quite extensive use of Formul= ix. The main complication is positioning the Formulix frame in O-Pro so tha= t the equations line up with the text. I know that =90Techwriter=91 would b= e ideal, but having bought O-Pro I can not justify the significant extra co= st.( And want to stay loyal. ) I wondered if it would be possible to write an equation applet along the li= nes of Formulix so that equations could be treated just like normal text. I= notice that some applets (ColPal and StylePal) involve extra windows from = which you can select various options. Would it be possible to have an =90eq= uation=91 window as in Formulix? If this is not possible I noticed that in Formulix=91s Save/Export options = there is one called =90Drawfile y=3D0=91 which is supposed to help vertical= ly aligning embedded formulae. O-Pro would have to recognise this option fo= r it to work. This is my first posting so please be understanding. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________= |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines= ___________________________/ jrboyles@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:31:44 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50026 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:31:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160154:05:16036:35; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:09:14 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1529426; 10 Nov 97 11:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bb1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:08 GMT From: Alan J Pitcher Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:16:46 +0000 Organization: None so far! Subject: Problems with Font Directory Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101646.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 21:47:48 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi. The other day I corrupted my font partition within Font Directory Pro. When I rebuilt it I increased the size of the partition but decreased the number of active fonts. I also altered the structure of the fonts within it. When I next started Ovation Pro I get the error Buffer overflow. If I increase or decrease the number of active fonts then OP will load ok, but after the next hard reset OP will get the Buffer overflow error again. I tried removing all the applets but this did not help. Another problem occurred when I loaded a file, I got the Missing fonts error. So I clicked on Reflow and changed all the fonts to the correct active ones. When I next reloaded this file I still got the Missing fonts error although all the fonts had been changed. Any ideas anyone. Am I missing something obvious. Thanks. -- Alan J Pitcher mailto:alan@picarium.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:31:51 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50028 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:31:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160169:12:07786:94; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:09:29 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1529520; 10 Nov 97 11:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:05 GMT From: John Hollier Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:15:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: An applet idea? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101520.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 07:30:11 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 07 Nov, Carl Cepurneek wrote: > Greetings, > > The 'Dictionaries' thread generated this reply from David P.: > > >Of course taking the WebSpell dictionary, saving as text, loading into > >OPro, and then spell checking it would give a similar effect, but > >much slower. > > This somehow promted an idea for an applet -- a 'learn key sequence' > facility rather like !Zap's but including mouse presses and menu > selections. Only a passing thought though, and not really sure exactly how > it might be used other than the add to dictionary sequence suggested above. > > Any comments? Carl Have you tried !Keystroke? This can be made to do almost any sequence of keypresses/mouse clicks on any application. -- John D Hollier Canterbury. UK To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:32:00 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50030 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:31:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160217:12:07947:36; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:10:17 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1529512; 10 Nov 97 11:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bc1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:08 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:17:09 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101709.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:53:37 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message you wrote: Can't think of sensible, customer-facing, objective replies to the rest of this article without digging myself into a bigger hole than I'm in now, but this one I can sort of do: > Anyway, here is the straight question, without any suggestion of > incompetence on your part: When are we likekely to see 2.47 available > as (a) a downloadable upgrade, or (b) a set of discs through the mail? I spent most of Friday morning working on the patching scheme we are trying to implement so that we can make free upgrades available via our web pages. Not much success was had, but most of the code is there and it looks like it will work. We will not be sending any more free upgrades to users. If we can't do the web thing (and for those who don't have WWW access), we will be asking for return of discs + 5 ukp for handling costs. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:32:09 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50032 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:32:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160223:12:07963:81; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:10:23 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1529595; 10 Nov 97 11:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bh1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:09 GMT From: "\"James White (Acorns in Spain" MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:11:06 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Scroll speed To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101106.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:18:57 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 07 Nov, David Allen wrote: > On Thu 06 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >=20 > > From: Ariancylch > >=20 > > >Is there anything wrong with the 'the further the pointer is from wh= ere > > >you started dragging, the faster things will scroll' method? I've al= ways > > >quite liked that scheme. Providing, of course, the scale is sane, > > >(rather than a pixel =3D=3D line of text, say) > >=20 > > As I say, originally there was some important reason to keep the poin= ter > > inside the window. I therefore had some scheme where the closer to th= e edge > > of the window you got, the faster scrolling became. > >=20 > > I've now provided some functions that let users set up scrolling spee= d. > >=20 >=20 > I have been mystified by this thread for the past few days. Is there > something wrong with my copy of 2.46? The nearer I approach the edge o= f the > window when dragging, the faster the scroll. Perhaps everyone else is = just > dragging to the edge too quickly, and missing the fact that a few mms a= way > from the edge the speed is reduced. Aha.. a spot of sanity. I have always regarded the nature of this scrolling as a feature. Use the middle of the window/screen for fine adjustment to the placings, but drag to the edges for a rapid move to other pages (with Alt held down). The speed is a real time-saver and I'm glad it is to be retained. J W Mallorca --=20 ------------------------------------------- Sibelius en Espa=F1a: Mailto:jacorn@ibm.net En Andalucia: Mailto:pmoya@valnet.es Visita a http://www.argonet.co.uk/opus/spain =A1En Castellano! =20 ------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:32:15 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50034 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:32:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160227:12:08062:27; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:10:27 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1529708; 10 Nov 97 11:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bi1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:09 GMT From: Colin Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:14:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101417.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 09:43:23 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 07 Nov, Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting terribly > > upset with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in > > 2.47" (but you can't have a copy)? > > Oh goody another 'me too' thread. > > I'd start a petition if I were you faced with such an injustice. > > Seriously if you want to complain about my performance where it will > have some effect email sheridan@beebug.co.uk. He is the Managing Director > and could take all sorts of nasty action against me. > > I would like to point out that David is blameless in this situation he is > just pointing out the facts when he says things are fixed. Well, obviously the word "Paranoia" is in the OvPro dictionary. :-) David wasn't being blamed, at all. > > FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. > > Am I the only one, or are all us poor FUTURE EDENless people getting > terribly upset to keep being told "Coming soon to a computer near you" > (but you can't have a copy)? > Several points, here. 1 - You wouldn't enjoy it. It requires a sense of humour. 2 - You wouldn't enjoy it. It pokes fun at big fish in little ponds (and pretty well everything else) 3 - The wait won't be nearly as long as it was for the first release of Ovation Pro. 4 - It won't cost you anything. Colin Thompson FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. Email . . . colinet@atlantis.aust.com Homepage . http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:32:22 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50036 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:32:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160252:12:08121:83; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:10:52 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1529837; 10 Nov 97 11:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:10 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:16:03 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101603.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 00:08:08 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971107.094444.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Colin Thompson wrote: > Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting a bit pissed > off with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in > 2.47" (but you can't have a copy)? No. Personally, I'm pleased to know the bugs -have- been successfully resolved (as opposed to being told 'yes, we know about that bug, no you can't expect to have it fixed within your lifetime'). In addition to this, I've also been pleased that we are getting honest and swift answers to our questions, even if that question is "When will we get 2.47?" I am content that The Powers That Be (in this context) are doing what they can to bring us all 2.47, and that it will happen as soon as it can be organised. If you want something to be pissed off about in this vein, look to something like the Acorn C compiler, which is based off the ARM C compiler. There are issues with the currently available release from Acorn that have been resolved a long time ago in the ARM release. -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:32:33 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50038 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:32:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160289:06:14238:30; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:11:29 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1529930; 10 Nov 97 11:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bj1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:10 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:16:27 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Scroll speed To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101627.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 00:13:51 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971107.094403.55@risc.demon.co.uk> David Allen wrote: > On Thu 06 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > From: Ariancylch > > > > > Is there anything wrong with the 'the further the pointer is from > > > where you started dragging, the faster things will scroll' method? > > > I've always quite liked that scheme. Providing, of course, the > > > scale is sane, (rather than a pixel == line of text, say) > > > > As I say, originally there was some important reason to keep the > > pointer inside the window. I therefore had some scheme where the > > closer to the edge of the window you got, the faster scrolling > > became. > > > > I've now provided some functions that let users set up scrolling > > speed. > > I have been mystified by this thread for the past few days. Is there > something wrong with my copy of 2.46? The nearer I approach the edge > of the window when dragging, the faster the scroll. Perhaps everyone > else is just dragging to the edge too quickly, and missing the fact > that a few mms away from the edge the speed is reduced. The 'flaw' with that, in my opinion, is that the proportions aren't right. The pointer moves too small a distance for too great a speed-increase... -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:32:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50040 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:32:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160347:05:16934:32; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:12:27 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1500008; 10 Nov 97 11:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bl1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:11 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:12:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101251.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 18:05:12 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Chris Wragg >>>Am I missing something, or is there a one-key press to clear all tabs? >> No. Good idea though. >Does this mean it might be included one day? Hope so! Now in 2.48. From: Carl Cepurneek >This somehow promted an idea for an applet -- a 'learn key sequence' >facility rather like !Zap's but including mouse presses and menu >selections. Only a passing thought though, and not really sure exactly how >it might be used other than the add to dictionary sequence suggested above. Obviously you could get KeyStroke from Quantum Software, which some people swear by. OPro does have the ability to record key strokes as a macro. Despite all the programmability in OPro somethings just aren't there - e.g. an automated way of changing frame colours. Menu selections would be a doddle because they all call script commands. From: Colin Thompson >with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in 2.47" (but >you can't have a copy)? Some days I feel like I'm making up a fairy story "oh yes it's fixed". Anyway just to enhance your irritation and to prove I am not fibbing, I have emailed out a few copies of 2.47 to those in dire need. Seriously though saying "it's fixed" is the answer, if it has been, just lets everyone know what the position is. I'd just say don't blame anyone, all you have to do, is persuade Beebug to devote more resources to supporting OPro. From: David Allen >I have been mystified by this thread for the past few days. Is there >something wrong with my copy of 2.46? The nearer I approach the edge of the >window when dragging, the faster the scroll. Perhaps everyone else is just >dragging to the edge too quickly, and missing the fact that a few mms away > from the edge the speed is reduced. One thing is that some people use the mouse in different ways to others. You'd be amazed at the trouble leaving an icon set to click/drag can cause, because not everyone clicks in just the same way. News ==== At the Acorn Show last weekend, Ovation Pro won the "Best DTP" and "Best Product" awards. Many thanks to all those who voted in our favour for these prizes. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:32:48 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50042 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:32:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879160412:12:08775:40; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:13:32 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1500271; 10 Nov 97 11:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aq1027463; 10 Nov 97 11:11 GMT From: tony van der Hoff Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:13:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.101313.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:09:58 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971107.094505.44@risc.demon.co.uk>, Ian MacDougall writes >In message you wrote: > >> Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting terribly >> upset with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in >> 2.47" (but you can't have a copy)? > >Oh goody another 'me too' thread. > >I'd start a petition if I were you faced with such an injustice. > Bad day Ian? Hangover perhaps? Or maybe just a nasty attack of bile? Anyway, I do hope you'll feel better soon; the moderator of a ML starting a flame-war with his customers seems like an unusual concept to me, and not a trend that I'd like to see continuing. >Seriously if you want to complain about my performance where it will >have some effect email sheridan@beebug.co.uk. He is the Managing Director >and could take all sorts of nasty action against me. > Hmm, might just do that... Naaah, can't be bothered. In any case, in your current frame of mind, it looks as if you might just tell him to shove his job. Someone's pulled your string, that's for sure, but I've seen no criticism of your performance on this ML. >I would like to point out that David is blameless in this situation he is >just pointing out the facts when he says things are fixed. > so who was blaming David? However, I agree that he is doing a splendid job of keeping us informed of the progress of bugs/fixes, with a candour and openness that is rarely seen from software authors. Well done David! >> FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. > >Am I the only one, or are all us poor FUTURE EDENless people getting >terribly upset to keep being told "Coming soon to a computer near you" >(but you can't have a copy)? > I think you *are* the only one. OK, the question might have been put more tactfully, but this medium hardly encourages tact. Subscribe to Demon.service for a while if you want to see how to handle robust questioning without getting (too) upset :-) We have, after all, been told "Real Soon Now" on numerous occasions over the last few weeks. Anyway, here is the straight question, without any suggestion of incompetence on your part: When are we likekely to see 2.47 available as (a) a downloadable upgrade, or (b) a set of discs through the mail? -- Tony van der Hoff | E-Mail: tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 10 19:32:53 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50044 for opro ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:32:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879161480:05:22253:83; Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:31:20 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1503893; 10 Nov 97 11:31 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1005029; 10 Nov 97 11:30 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:26:06 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971110.112606.32@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:13:25 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971110.095337.47@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > Anyway, here is the straight question, without any suggestion of > > incompetence on your part: When are we likekely to see 2.47 available > > as (a) a downloadable upgrade, or (b) a set of discs through the mail? > > I spent most of Friday morning working on the patching scheme we [blah, blah, blah] I forgot to mention when it is likekely (much nicer word than likely), that 2.47 will be available, oops. I would hope to have the new version available within two weeks. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:06:59 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50151 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:06:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879240738:12:18065:83; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:32:18 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1515814; 11 Nov 97 9:31 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:31 GMT From: "Peter Daniel" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:10:07 +0000 Organization: University of Salford Subject: A little bug To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091007.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:00:14 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c You may already know about this and it is probably fixed in 2.47, but I will tell you anyway just in case. If you try change the font of the next character using F10, and the font is not currently installed the OvationPro will crash - type=5. It would be more helpful if an error message telling you to install the font was created. Thanks, Peter. Windows Multitasking: screwing up several things at once To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:04 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50153 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879240808:06:22104:32; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:33:28 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag1515871; 11 Nov 97 9:32 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:31 GMT From: Ian Worrall Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:12:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091212.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:10:26 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In on Mon 10 Nov, Ian MacDougall wrote: > We will not be sending any more free upgrades to users. If we can't > do the web thing (and for those who don't have WWW access), we will > be asking for return of discs + 5 ukp for handling costs. > > -- > Ian MacDougall > Beebug Ltd Seems fair enough to me. -- Ian Worrall mailto:tomobiki@keinyuri.u-net.com To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:09 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50155 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879240808:06:22107:32; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:33:28 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516024; 11 Nov 97 9:32 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:31 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:27:55 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Manual To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.092755.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:24:23 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message you wrote: > The only complaint I have anout OPro is the manual which would be good > - if it actually said where in the menu entry the features are! Yes another thing on my list of things to do is a manual rewrite since there is a lot that isn't in it that is in the program. This is unlikely to occur until we have exhausted the current stocks. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:14 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50157 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879240836:12:18465:82; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:33:56 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516246; 11 Nov 97 9:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id am2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:33 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:10:29 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091029.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:04:49 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971110.101709.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message you wrote: > > Can't think of sensible, customer-facing, objective replies to the > rest of this article without digging myself into a bigger hole than > I'm in now, but this one I can sort of do: Can we have a supplementary list where we get to see non-sensible, non-customer-facing, non-objective replies? :) -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:18 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50159 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879240924:12:18799:37; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:35:24 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516482; 11 Nov 97 9:34 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ao2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:34 GMT From: Keith Parker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:12:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091251.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 22:22:04 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 10 Nov 97 (10:17:09 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > We will not be sending any more free upgrades to users. If we can't > do the web thing (and for those who don't have WWW access), we will > be asking for return of discs + 5 ukp for handling costs. Ian, At the risk of upsetting some people around here, I think that if 2.47 or whatever has some significant improvements then ukp5 for an upgrade is fine. Especially as it will generate some additional revenue and help to fund continuing development. If we want OvationPro to develop then ukp5 is b****r all to pay! Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:23 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50161 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879240930:12:18824:29; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:35:30 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1516419; 11 Nov 97 9:35 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:33 GMT From: John Ward Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:11:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091151.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:25:28 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Ian MacDougall wrote: > I spent most of Friday morning working on the patching scheme we > are trying to implement so that we can make free upgrades available > via our web pages. Not much success was had, but most of the code > is there and it looks like it will work. Well, you're making the effort and one cannot complain about that, so I shan't ;-) > We will not be sending any more free upgrades to users. Fair enough: I didn't expect any more, based on earlier statements. > If we can't do the web thing (and for those who don't have WWW > access), we will be asking for return of discs + 5 ukp for handling > costs. Perfectly satisfactory for me, and -- I'd guess -- most other OPro users. -- <*> John M Ward <*> "A Shining Beacon in Cyberspace, All Alone in the Night.." To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:28 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50163 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879241001:12:19056:48; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:36:41 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516718; 11 Nov 97 9:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:35 GMT From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:09:04 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Dreaded red underlines again! To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.090904.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:21:07 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 10 Nov, Dr. P.N. Young wrote: > Another thing which seems to make the underlines appear eveywhere is saving > text to the clipboard! Should doing this cause a whirl from the hard disc? I > don't seem to remember this happening when I first got OPro, and wonder if I > have done something silly. I don't quite see why saving to the clipboard would > foul up the dictionary, but is does so reliably at the moment. Some versions of !EndNotes will access the hard disc when you cut and paste text, because cutting and pasting of notes needs to preserve and restore the contents of the clipboard. But that only applies to EndNotes 2.80 and later, which I haven't released yet, and which don't foul up the dictionary, anyway. Least ways, not for me. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:33 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50165 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879241011:12:19145:79; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:36:51 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516870; 11 Nov 97 9:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:34 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:13:55 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091355.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:57:59 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I'd like to apologise for the unnecessary traffic my response to the initial enquiry has generated. I guess some people yank my chain more than others. The issue with 2.47 is that the final version is not ready. I have *a* 2.47 from David, but I need to do all of the necessary housekeeping to turn it into *the* 2.47. Lots has changed so several of the distribution discs need to be updated. I gave myself two weeks to complete the work since I can't see me doing much on it this week and I guess that is the real issue. If all I had to do was support Ovation Pro then 2.47 would have been ready for the show, unfortunately that is not the case. I hope that you can show some patience and know that I will get the work done as soon as I can. I hope this post will bring this thread to an end. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:38 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50167 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879241017:12:19154:83; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:36:57 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516893; 11 Nov 97 9:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:36 GMT From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:09:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Dreaded red underlines again! To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.090924.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:21:07 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 10 Nov, Dr. P.N. Young wrote: > Another thing which seems to make the underlines appear eveywhere is saving > text to the clipboard! Should doing this cause a whirl from the hard disc? I > don't seem to remember this happening when I first got OPro, and wonder if I > have done something silly. I don't quite see why saving to the clipboard would > foul up the dictionary, but is does so reliably at the moment. Some versions of !EndNotes will access the hard disc when you cut and paste text, because cutting and pasting of notes needs to preserve and restore the contents of the clipboard. But that only applies to EndNotes 2.80 and later, which I haven't released yet, and which don't foul up the dictionary, anyway. Least ways, not for me. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:44 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50169 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879241195:12:19809:80; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:39:55 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517304; 11 Nov 97 9:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id au2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:38 GMT From: 4qd Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:10:50 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091050.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 (18:56:22 +0000) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 10 Nov 97 (11:26:06 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > In message <19971110.095337.47@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I forgot to mention when it is likekely (much nicer word than likely), > that 2.47 will be available, oops. I would hope to have the new version > available within two weeks. Ian: To stop the cries of protest - you said that you would charge =A35 handling= for upgrades by disc - if the site proved impossible. So does this mean the upgrades are available NOW for =A35? If so why - is a= nyone complaining? The only complaint I have anout OPro is the manual which would be good - if= it actually said where in the menu entry the features are! e.g. look up (at random) Invisibles... p.84. So which menu tree is this in= ? The feature is well and readably described, but where is it? I've been us= ing OP for long enough to know now, but initially this OPAQUE referencing s= ytem is very off-putting. The manual should say, clearly View.Options.Invis= ibles or some such. I am one of those rare people who like to READ manuals. This bad referencin= g spoils what would otherwise be quite a readable manual! -- /| 4 Q D / | 4qd@4qd.co.uk / | http://www.4QD.co.uk / | | / /| | We manufacture / / | | MOSFET controllers for battery operated motors /_/__| |____ /_____ ____\ Site also contains FAQ sheet on motors & controllers / _ \| | _ \ and a selection of interesting circuit diagrams | | | | | | | | | |_| | | |_| | 4QD are proud to use British technology: \__\_\ |____/ Acorn StrongARM RISC-PC 32 bit computer. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:50 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50171 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879241274:05:05474:82; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:41:14 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517712; 11 Nov 97 9:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id av2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:40 GMT From: "D.A.Symes" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:12:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091232.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:11:54 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <19971107.094444.51@risc.demon.co.uk> > Colin Thompson wrote: > > Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting a bit > > pissed off with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been > > fixed in 2.47" (but you can't have a copy)? > No, can't say I am. Ovation's really good anyway and it's nice > to know that fixes are coming. It's not as if the software is > seriously broken. I'd be more concerned if the update info stopped > coming because of comments like these. > Fred Hear Hear, Fred, I have to agree... As the chaps and chapesses at Beebug will know, I was not a happy bunny with the first release of Ov Pro. The speed with which things from the "Wants" list have gradually been implemented is absolutly first class. Temporary fixes for little bugs and features have been posted to this mail list, and many of us have contributed little bits and pieces to help things along. I now think Ov Pro is an excellent piece of kit, so much so, that I've recently transferred all of my business Wp stuff out of Publisher and into Ov Pro. And it's continually improving. Keep up the good work folks, some of us appreciate the effort. Cheers Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 0.34b To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:07:56 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50173 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:07:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879241278:05:05474:148; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:41:18 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517524; 11 Nov 97 9:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:39 GMT From: Richard Cassidy Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:11:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Outline colour for fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091111.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:33:11 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c First of all, many thanks to everyone who replied on this subject :) My last message has clearly vanished into the ether... The problem was much as I expected. OLE via Artworks works but it is, unsurprisingly, no good at text handling if stuff doesn't fit and/or needs editing. Its one of those things that *is* possible but is a real bodge to actually use when you're doing a big document. So, um, David, as you've started telling us whats fixed in 2.48 how about a nice font manager patch for 2.49, should be simple ;) Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: > AFAIK this is a limitation of the FontManager, and one which ought to > be removed in the next revision. I'd also like to see the possibility of > adding transparencies (no other platform has that, AFAIK) and shadows > (MacOS has had *it* for years). Now, who@acorn is responsible for > developing the FM, again? Lobby, lobby... :) Absolutely, are you eavesdropping Acorn?! Does this mean Gallileo, post post RPCII launch? I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned more voraciously on any of the newsgroups. I guess its important when you need it but fairly insignificant for most users. Mr MacDougall, as you appear to be the spokesman for this flagship product, could you exert some corporate pressure please? Surely a mere formality ;) Cheers, Richard -- _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.fwservices.com/graphite Information graphite.info@argonet.co.uk Sales graphite.sales@argonet.co.uk Other enquiries graphite@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:08:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50175 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:08:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879241341:05:05784:79; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:42:21 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1517827; 11 Nov 97 9:41 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ay2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:40 GMT From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:09:45 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Equation Applet? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.090945.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:14:48 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Mr John Boyles wrote: > > I teach Mathematics up to A-level and so make quite extensive use > of Formulix. The main complication is positioning the Formulix frame > in O-Pro so that the equations line up with the text. I know that > Techwriter would be ideal, but having bought O-Pro I can not justify > the significant extra cost.(And want to stay loyal) I don't know about whether it would be possible, let alone viable to create an OPro applet - as you might appreciate, mathematical typography is an art which is significantly harder to automate than ordinary dtp. If you ever used Equasor before Formulix was released, or any version of Microsoft Equation you will appreciate how easy it is to poorly format maths! As you say, the only alternative is to import drawfiles and align then manually, which isn't really an ideal solution. You have already mentioned Techwriter, which I have to *heavily* recommend. You are right, it cannot perform the dtp features of OPro, but for technical writing, with a high maths content there is *no* contest, and I say that as a loyal, faithful and huge OPro fan! Techwriter can also export as drawfiles, RTF and TeXfiles, so you ought to be able to readily incorporate it into OPro documents. It also both reads and writes MS Word 6 and 7, which can be very useful in environments with a high PC density. Perhaps to compare Techwriter and Formulix would be akin to comparing Sibelius 7 and Maestro! If you haven't tried it, get a demo, amd perhaps try to reconsider whether you can justify it after all - I used to curse at the combination of Equasor and Impression in doing just this sort of writing, and recall only too well the time I wasted. Now, I'm very happy to be able use both OPro and Techwriter as appropriate. Check with Icon Technology - they may be able to offer you something less than 'The Full Monty' of TW Pro that will satisfy your needs. They certainly do a 50% student discount, which might apply to teachers as well - it doesn't hurt to ask! TTFN, Nick -- nick kaijaks; proprietor, pinxit design - putting the solution together and; research student, physics, university of warwick, coventry cv4 7al http://www.warwick.ac.uk/Nick.Kaijaks/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 11 14:08:09 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50177 for opro ; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:08:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879241345:06:25027:30; Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:42:25 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517937; 11 Nov 97 9:41 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id az2000954; 11 Nov 97 9:41 GMT From: David Love Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:11:31 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091131.70@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:45:22 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 10 Nov, Colin Thompson wrote: > On Fri 07 Nov, Ian MacDougall wrote: > > In message you > > wrote: > > > > > Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting terribly > > > upset with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed > > in 2.47" (but you can't have a copy)? > > > > Oh goody another 'me too' thread. > Well, obviously the word "Paranoia" is in the OvPro dictionary. :-) > > David wasn't being blamed, at all. > > > > FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. > > > > Am I the only one, or are all us poor FUTURE EDENless people getting > > terribly upset to keep being told "Coming soon to a computer near you" > > (but you can't have a copy)? > > > > Several points, here. > > 1 - You wouldn't enjoy it. It requires a sense of humour. Have you one? > 2 - You wouldn't enjoy it. It pokes fun at big fish in little ponds (and > pretty well everything else) But Beebug aren't "big fish" in the world of computing. What they are though, is honest in keeping users of OvPro up to date with what is happening. Ian has pointed out the problems they are experiencing in making the upgrade to 2.47 internet ready. Perhaps a little patience and less warped humour is called for. > 3 - The wait won't be nearly as long as it was for the first release of > Ovation Pro. If you want real problems in support, I suggest you go to !Publisher. I'll even sell you my copy at a very reasonable price :-) > 4 - It won't cost you anything. How philanthropic! David --- David Love, PO Box 21 525, Henderson 1231, Waitakere City,New Zealand. Tel: 64 09 838 9744. Editor of ARMED, the newsletter of Acorn Users Auckland Inc. Proud owner of an Acorn RiscPC running with a StrongArm 200+ MHz processor, and user of the ANT Internet Suite. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 12 14:05:37 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50284 for opro ; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:05:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879325557:05:27977:79; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:05:57 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1517068; 12 Nov 97 9:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2004236; 12 Nov 97 9:05 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:13:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091311.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 02:19:32 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: "Dr. P.N. Young" >Another thing which seems to make the underlines appear eveywhere is saving >text to the clipboard! Should doing this cause a whirl from the hard disc? I >don't seem to remember this happening when I first got OPro, and wonder if I >have done something silly. I don't quite see why saving to the clipboard would >foul up the dictionary, but is does so reliably at the moment. >Is this a known bug, and if so, has it been fixed in 2.47? Yes, known, yes fixed in 2.47. As to disc access the one idea which springs to mind, is that there is an applet which records opening documents, and when you save to the clipboard, for better or worse that issues create document events. From: Mr John Boyles >I wondered if it would be possible to write an equation applet along the li >nes of Formulix so that equations could be treated just like normal text? I > notice that some applets (ColPal and StylePal) involve extra windows from >which you can select various options. Would it be possible to have an =90eq >uation=91 window as in Formulix? Well I've made enough promises without promising an equation editor. Pity really because I'm qualified to write one. The approach to an applet would be to decide what sort of additions would be needed to OPro's text handling, for example codes which allowed vertical and horizontal movement, once they were added to the main program, then an applet might not be too hard. >If this is not possible I noticed that in Formulix=91s Save/Export options >there is one called Drawfile y=3D0=91 which is supposed to help vertical >ly aligning embedded formulae. O-Pro would have to recognise this option fo >r it to work! I believe Draw files from Formulix have a negative y value for their bounding box to show how the Draw file should be displayed relative to a line of text. To some extent we chickened out by not supporting this. From: Alan J Pitcher >When I next started Ovation Pro I get the error Buffer overflow. >If I increase or decrease the number of active fonts then OP will >load ok, but after the next hard reset OP will get the Buffer >overflow error again. I tried removing all the applets but this >did not help. All depends whose buffer is overflowing. I was going to say this is one of those classic error reports which has some cause I can't remember (offers?). But it could easily be that OPro is going wrong whilst cataloguing the available fonts. I can't see off hand why only you would be victim of this. To add to the fun, in 2.47 I've changed all this code to support font aliases, so things will be different (not necessarily better). >Another problem occurred when I loaded a file, I got the Missing fonts >error. So I clicked on Reflow and changed all the fonts to the correct >active ones. When I next reloaded this file I still got the Missing >fonts error although all the fonts had been changed. This sounds like a bug, miscounting font uses. Just save the document as DDL and reload. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 12 14:05:48 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50288 for opro ; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:05:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879325626:12:00633:82; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:07:06 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517174; 12 Nov 97 9:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2004236; 12 Nov 97 9:05 GMT From: Chris Ford Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:13:33 +0000 Organization: Subject: wish list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971111.091333.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:47:02 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Dear All (but in particular David!) To take people's minds off the impending release of OPro 2.47, I've come up with a short(?) wishlist that would help wean me off Publisher! Do other people think they would be useful, or know of ways of implementing them? Magnifier: "Previous" zoom/position would be very useful (as in Publisher, where Adjust clicking on the magnifier icon goes back to the previous zoom, eg after zooming in on some detail. Mail merge: mail merge just using field numbers instead of names seems extremely crude, compared with the rest of OPro! Perhaps an applet would do the trick, but is there any way of intercepting Merge commands when merging? Can arbitrary text be stored in the merge command? I have some simple but useful database utilities which are controlled by Publisher's mail merge tags. It would be helpful if OPro could support CC's public domain Impulse module, to use mail merge commands as in Impression. It would be worth making this possible, as it would allow more meaningful names, and in conjunction with an applet to handle extra merge commands (or broadcast an Impulse message) would allow databases and my special functions to work. [The things my program can do: look up addresses in one CSV file to match the names found in the main CSV file; extract all the entries in a CSV file matching some criterion; skip a record if a condition is not satisfied, eg the value of a field is zero, etc; move to next mail-merge record within a document; automatically numbered citations referred to by nicknames, a bit like Endnote but allowing a citation to be mentioned multiple times within a document. If it were possible and easy, I'd make these freely available.] Autosave: If the !OvWrite applet is enabled, to check saving over all files, it asks for confirmation every time the autosave occurs. This may suit some people, but I find it annoying. Setting !OvWrite to protect only older files is dangerous if the names are different. !Publisher works well in this respect, in that it does not complain if the file has already been saved to, but only if you try to change the name and save it over another file. Any chance of !OvWrite being able to detect this subtlety? Applets: OPro takes quite a time to start up, because of the number of applets (even excluding less-used applets I have 26). The same used to be true of Artworks until CC introduced a fast load feature which put all the extensions together in advance. Could such a feature be added to OPro, please? Automatic paragraph numbering (as in Publisher)? Perhaps Endnote could do this by omitting the notes themselves, and allowing more than one such set? I'm sure there are more than enough things on the To Do list already (despite the powerful range of existing features), but some of these might be easy to implement and would pursuade more people to move over from "legacy software"! Thanks, Chris. -- Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 12 14:05:58 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50293 for opro ; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:05:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879326620:12:04071:106; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:23:40 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520704; 12 Nov 97 9:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al2007635; 12 Nov 97 9:22 GMT From: Nigel Parker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:17:36 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Equation Applet? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971112.091736.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:05:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Nick Kaijaks wrote: : I don't know about whether it would be possible, let alone viable to : create an OPro applet - as you might appreciate, mathematical : typography is an art which is significantly harder to automate than : ordinary dtp. If you ever used Equasor before Formulix was released, : or any version of Microsoft Equation you will appreciate how easy it : is to poorly format maths! As you say, the only alternative is to : import drawfiles and align then manually, which isn't really an ideal : solution. : : You have already mentioned Techwriter, which I have to *heavily* : recommend. You are right, it cannot perform the dtp features of OPro, : but for technical writing, with a high maths content there is *no* : contest, and I say that as a loyal, faithful and huge OPro fan! : : Techwriter can also export as drawfiles, RTF and TeXfiles, so you [snip] But does it support OLE or that new "Object Plug-in Component whatever" thing. I find Formulix incredibly useful (despite its shortcomings) because of OLE. Mind you the 50% discount on Techwriter for pikey students has got me interested ;-) _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ -- http://riscpc.girton.cam.ac.uk/ nigel.parker@iee.org Girton College, Cambridge, England, CB3 0JG. 01223 338999 (messages) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 12 14:06:04 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50296 for opro ; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:06:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879326638:12:04187:80; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:23:58 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520665; 12 Nov 97 9:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2007635; 12 Nov 97 9:21 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:18:39 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971112.091839.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 21:46:45 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: "Peter Daniel" >If you try change the font of the next character using F10, and the >font is not currently installed the OvationPro will crash - type=5. >It would be more helpful if an error message telling you to install >the font was created. Good point... No it's not fixed in 2.47 (or 2.48), but I will fix it now. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 12 14:06:10 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50298 for opro ; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:06:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879326691:05:03406:30; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:24:51 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520817; 12 Nov 97 9:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2007635; 12 Nov 97 9:22 GMT From: Roger King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:17:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: New Ovation Pro Manual To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971112.091714.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 10:49:20 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 11 Nov, Ian MacDougall wrote: > Another thing on my list of things to do is a manual rewrite since there is a > lot that isn't in it that is in the program. The metal wire binding on the current Ovation Pro manuals is not too good in my opinion. Several sections of the wire have broken leaving the manual in rather a mess. The manual has not had harsh treatment, only frequent reference. Have any other users had this problem? A much better alternative would be to print the manual so that it would fit into an industry-standard three-ring software binder, as with the Impression Publisher manual. Updated information on Ovation Pro could then be easily added. It would not be necessary to include a binder with the new manual as these are available from most stationers. You can also obtain this type of binder with a slip case. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 12 14:06:15 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50300 for opro ; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:06:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879326702:05:03409:80; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:25:02 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520851; 12 Nov 97 9:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id am2007635; 12 Nov 97 9:22 GMT From: Ovation Mailing List Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:17:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971112.091758.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:44:02 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 11 Nov, Keith Parker wrote: > On Mon 10 Nov 97 (10:17:09 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >=20 > > We will not be sending any more free upgrades to users. If we can't > > do the web thing (and for those who don't have WWW access), we will > > be asking for return of discs + 5 ukp for handling costs.=20 >=20 > Ian, >=20 > At the risk of upsetting some people around here, I think that if 2.47 = or > whatever has some significant improvements then ukp5 for an upgrade is > fine. Especially as it will generate some additional revenue and help t= o > fund continuing development. If we want OvationPro to develop then ukp5= is > b****r all to pay! >=20 > Keith=20 Hear, hear to everything Keith has said, but I would go further. Ian has = said that Beebug will not be sending any more free upgrades, which I totally accept. If we, as OvationPro users, do not pay a realistic price for our upgrades (not the derisory =A35 that Ian has mentioned) then I can forese= e Beebug going down the same road as Computor Concepts and deserting the Ac= orn platform. How many DTP programmes, on any other platform, are there where we as users can have an input into what goes into an upgrade? We should all be very grateful to Ian and David for the very hard work th= at they put into the developement of OvationPro, stop the griping and begin to realise that we may have to wait and pay a reasonable price for someth= ing that we want! Roger --=20 Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@mail.zynet.co.uk Darprint, Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 227574 Fax: 01322 291237 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 12 14:06:21 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50302 for opro ; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:06:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879326702:05:03413:79; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:25:02 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520885; 12 Nov 97 9:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an2007635; 12 Nov 97 9:23 GMT From: Alan Muscat Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:18:20 +0000 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971112.091820.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:46:50 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971110.101128.46@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Fri 07 Nov, Colin Thompson wrote: > > Am I the only one, or are all us poor 2.46 owners getting a bit pissed = > off > > with all the reported bugs to keep being told "it's been fixed in 2.47"= > (but > > you can't have a copy)? > > > > No, us poor Acorn owners are not at all pissed off with the DTP > capability which appears miraculously to have come out of a tiny > software team and is turning heads in the Quark-owning Mac community. Dream on... > > Leaving aside the details of the story that Paco Moya turned out two > hefty volumes this summer with his RPC/Sibelius/O-Pro package against > the one volume last year with his original PowerMac/Finale/Quark and > with exactly the same high quality, Don't leave aside the details. I'd love to hear them. Who's Paco Moya? > I would like to say that you > probably are in a minority in being somewhat happiness-challenged. Agreed. > > Our market does not support a 2000-strong programming team to get a > product out in months rather than years, but the quality, originality > and constant development are gratifyingly evident. Absolutely; and gratefully appreciated. You just don't get this level of service elsewhere. On what other platform can you have a direct influence on the changes made to an application? Alan -- **************Grapevine Digital Arts********** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:03:23 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50430 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:03:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413295:12:11742:80; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:28:15 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae1516340; 13 Nov 97 9:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:27 GMT From: Colin Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:21:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: New Ovation Pro Manual To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.092151.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:58:34 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Roger King wrote: > It would not be necessary to include a binder with the new manual as these > are > available from most stationers. You can also obtain this type of binder with > a > slip case. Good idea. You could always chuck out your old Impression pages and use that binder. Could you posibly persuade Spatech to use the same binders for Photodesk? -- Colin Thompson Mail to - colinet@atlantis.aust.com Web site - http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:03:27 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50432 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:03:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413383:12:12033:101; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:29:43 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516730; 13 Nov 97 9:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:27 GMT From: Peter Bell Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:20:06 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: New Ovation Pro Manual To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.092006.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:56:40 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 12 Nov, Roger King wrote: > A much better alternative would be to print the manual so that it would fit > into an industry-standard three-ring software binder, as with the Impression > Publisher manual. Updated information on Ovation Pro could then be easily > added. Hear! Hear! Like the original Hearsay manuals before they were 'improved' to the wire-bound version. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bell - peter@foursqre.demon.co.uk - FourSquare Computing Ltd 5 Drome Path, Winnersh, Wokingham, Berkshire RG41 5HB, UK. Tel. +44 (0) 118 989 0982 Fax. +44 (0) 118 979 4639 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:03:31 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50434 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:03:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413387:12:12108:91; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:29:47 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516720; 13 Nov 97 9:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:28 GMT From: Julian Meekings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:19:45 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.091945.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:53:55 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, David Pilling wrote: > From: Mr John Boyles > > >I wondered if it would be possible to write an equation applet along the li > >nes of Formulix so that equations could be treated just like normal text? I > > notice that some applets (ColPal and StylePal) involve extra windows from > >which you can select various options. Would it be possible to have an =90eq > >uation=91 window as in Formulix? > > Well I've made enough promises without promising an equation editor. > Pity really because I'm qualified to write one. The approach to an applet > would be to decide what sort of additions would be needed to OPro's text > handling, for example codes which allowed vertical and horizontal movement, > once they were added to the main program, then an applet might not be too hard. Oh please do promise this, I'm sure thatthere are lots of other people out there who would like this, not just us two Julian To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:03:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50436 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:03:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413390:12:12062:120; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:29:50 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1516620; 13 Nov 97 9:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:28 GMT From: "\"James White (Acorns in Spain" MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:21:31 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.092131.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:25:24 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 12 Nov, Alan Muscat wrote: > In message <19971110.101128.46@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Don't leave aside the details. I'd love to hear them. Who's Paco Moya? > I'll refrain from preaching to the converted during prime viewing time. However, if you enjoy writing Spanish :-) give him a buzz at the address below, in Granada. My last mention of his efforts came on the maillist 24/10/97. JW Mallorca -- ------------------------------------------- Sibelius en Spain: Mailto:jacorn@ibm.net En Andalucia: Mailto:pmoya@valnet.es Visita a http://www.argonet.co.uk/opus/spain En Castellano! ------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:03:41 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50438 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:03:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413401:12:12189:79; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:30:01 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516795; 13 Nov 97 9:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id am2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:29 GMT From: Colin Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:22:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.092232.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:07:37 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Muscat wrote: > > I would like to say that you > > probably are in a minority in being somewhat happiness-challenged. > Agreed. No I'm not happiness challenged. I actually grasped happiness in both hands when I left a terminally disastrous 28 year marriage and travelled 10,000 miles to true love. I also think Ovation Pro is a fantastic bit of software. Together with Photodesk, it makes staying with Acorn very worthwhile. Also I have no objection at all to paying for Ovation upgrades as long as we aren't confusing bug fixes with upgrades for which a nominal handling fee is perfectly acceptable (unlike the nice little earner a company who won't be named called Icon Technology had with the bug ridden Easiwriter when it first came out - fix 5 bugs, add 2 and charge 30 quid). I would be even happier to pay a fee to upgrade over the internet which being in Australia would be a lot easier than having to send discs back to the UK and I'm sure would be less work for Beebug. If RComp and others can upgrades this way hopefully Beebug can too. -- Colin Thompson Mail to - colinet@atlantis.aust.com Web site - http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:03:47 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50440 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:03:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413472:12:12460:34; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:31:12 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516992; 13 Nov 97 9:30 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:29 GMT From: Carl Cepurneek Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:22:53 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.47 and beyond To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.092253.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:40:19 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Greetings, Roger I think said... (but it seems a wide and very sensible view): >We should all be very grateful to Ian and David for the very hard work that >they put into the developement of OvationPro, stop the griping and begin >to realise that we may have to wait and pay a reasonable price for something >that we want! Let me add a note for interest... I was just given an 'Applenews' which has a feature on desktop type and design. They start by claiming that it's only since the mac that computer users were aware of "fonts" :-). Their glossary doesn't have kerning or tracking, adjustable x/y size, rotation of characters, rotation of text etc etc etc (why duplicate each OPro menu) perhaps because they can't do it. Included is the advice that if your wordprocessor can't cope, you should consider FrameMaker -- allbeit with some features that we don't have applets for yet -- at a RRP of $1395. Does the first R = 'reasonable'? Roll on OPro! cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:03:52 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50442 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:03:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413474:05:09927:80; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:31:14 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517069; 13 Nov 97 9:30 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ap2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:30 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:17:41 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: wish list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.091741.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:20:57 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971111.091333.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Chris Ford wrote: > Dear All (but in particular David!) [snip] > Mail merge: mail merge just using field numbers instead of names > seems extremely crude, compared with the rest of OPro! Perhaps an > applet would do the trick, but is there any way of intercepting Merge > commands when merging? Can arbitrary text be stored in the merge > command? I have some simple but useful database utilities which are > controlled by Publisher's mail merge tags. It would be helpful if > OPro could support CC's public domain Impulse module, to use mail > merge commands as in Impression. > It would be worth making this possible, as it would allow more > meaningful names, and in conjunction with an applet to handle extra > merge commands (or broadcast an Impulse message) would allow databases > and my special functions to work. I had cause to wonder about this recently too, in connection with Impact Professional. If it's likely to be feasible to write an Impulse applet I'll do it, I'm just not sure of what, exactly, the applets can and can't do. (Though I've done stuff with Impulse before) Could this be an applet, or will it need to be 'main code'? -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:03:58 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50444 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:03:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413493:05:10116:85; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:31:33 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517125; 13 Nov 97 9:31 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aq2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:30 GMT From: John Cartmell Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:22:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Equation Applet? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.092211.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:28:31 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Nigel Parker <95ncp@eng.cam.ac.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > : I don't know about whether it would be possible, let alone viable to > : create an OPro applet - as you might appreciate, mathematical > : typography is an art which is significantly harder to automate than > : ordinary dtp. If you ever used Equasor before Formulix was released, > : or any version of Microsoft Equation you will appreciate how easy it > : is to poorly format maths! As you say, the only alternative is to > : import drawfiles and align then manually, which isn't really an ideal > : solution. > : > : You have already mentioned Techwriter, which I have to *heavily* > : recommend. You are right, it cannot perform the dtp features of OPro, > : but for technical writing, with a high maths content there is *no* > : contest, and I say that as a loyal, faithful and huge OPro fan! > : > : Techwriter can also export as drawfiles, RTF and TeXfiles, so you > [snip] > But does it support OLE or that new "Object Plug-in Component whatever" > thing. I find Formulix incredibly useful (despite its shortcomings) > because of OLE. I presume you mean for the equations? If so it isn't applicable; the equations are written as part of the text, not as drawings. -- John Cartmell Manchester using Acorn RiscPC & StrongARM To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:04:04 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50446 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:04:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413524:12:12638:153; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:32:04 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517240; 13 Nov 97 9:31 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id at2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:31 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:16:57 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: New Ovation Pro Manual To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.091657.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:16:13 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971112.091714.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Roger King wrote: > On Tue 11 Nov, Ian MacDougall wrote: > > Another thing on my list of things to do is a manual rewrite since > > there is a lot that isn't in it that is in the program. > > The metal wire binding on the current Ovation Pro manuals is not too > good in my opinion. Several sections of the wire have broken leaving > the manual in rather a mess. The manual has not had harsh treatment, > only frequent reference. > > Have any other users had this problem? Is this the kind of binding that acorn used to use? The sort of spirally thing? I found the best way of making -those- manuals last was to thread string along the join between each side of the 'spiral'. Kept all the pages in and saved no end of problems. > A much better alternative would be to print the manual so that it > would fit into an industry-standard three-ring software binder, as > with the Impression Publisher manual. Updated information on Ovation > Pro could then be easily added. I actually find this type of binder-manual to be a nuisance. Most of the places I work at have little spare space around the computer (vanishing to none by the time everything else necessary is set out) and the Impression binder is just plain Too Large. Though I do agree it's very nice and simple to add things to. > It would not be necessary to include a binder with the new manual as > these are available from most stationers. You can also obtain this > type of binder with a slip case. So long as we were supplied with a suitably neat looking piece of paper to cover the binder with... -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:04:09 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50448 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:04:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413546:12:12733:82; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:32:26 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1517342; 13 Nov 97 9:32 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id au2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:31 GMT From: "Howe , Chris" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:21:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: Imperfect Justification? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.092111.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 12 Nov 97 16:58:00 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Ray, I studied this further and your analysis seems perfectly correct: With *ordinary* justification, the right alignment on the paper page is OK with Turbo Drivers. With enhanced justification turbodrivers result in slightly ragged right. However I activated a generic Acorn BubbleJet driver and this did give perfect right alignment even with enhanced justification (though printing was more hesitant) Sorry if this is repetition, anyone! PS free (slightly unrelated) tip: if a BJ200 suffers paper feed problems (e.g too few sheets in hopper) misfeeding leads to head cleaning cycles and parking which, if repeated can lead to flooding of the head and (temporary) striping. Happens most when in a hurry! Chris Howe, Bath ---------- From: Ray Dawson[SMTP Sent: 30 October 1997 08:35 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: Imperfect Justification? Howe , Chris wrote: > Using Justified text, I seem to be seeing a discrepancy between > the perfect right hand alignment seen on screen, and the slightly > raggedy right achieved on paper (turbo drivers/BJ 200). You mean on Enhanced Justification? This seems to be a problem with using either Laser Direct or Turbo Drivers which use CCs version of the font manager and doesn't understand the intricacies of micro spacing. Needless to say, CC say they have absolutely no intention of changing things so that it works on Ovation Pro :-) I did try turning off Laser Direct halftoning options etc, but this led to an even bigger can of worms with text not appearing etc. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:04:16 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50450 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:04:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413555:12:12733:191; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:32:35 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517412; 13 Nov 97 9:32 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aw2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:32 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:20:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.092047.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:44:16 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Chris Ford > Magnifier: "Previous" zoom/position would be very useful (as in Publisher, >where Adjust clicking on the magnifier icon goes back to the previous zoom, >eg after zooming in on some detail. Hmm. not many people are happy with 'previous'. >Mail merge: mail merge just using field numbers instead of names seems Yes! 2.48 has both enhanced mail merge, single step, the ability to stick script commands in the mail merge process, named fields, and it supports Impulse too. > Autosave: If the !OvWrite applet is enabled, to check saving over all files, >it asks for confirmation every time the autosave occurs. This may suit some >people, but I find it annoying. Setting !OvWrite to protect only older files >is dangerous if the names are different. !Publisher works well in this >respect, in that it does not complain if the file has already been saved to, >but only if you try to change the name and save it over another file. Any >chance of !OvWrite being able to detect this subtlety? I think you should be able to easily tweek the applet to get this behaviour. Personally I tend to create new documents by modifiying old ones, and there the danger is overwriting something with the same name. > Applets: OPro takes quite a time to start up, because of the number of >applets (even excluding less-used applets I have 26). The same used to be >true of Artworks until CC introduced a fast load feature which put all the >extensions together in advance. Could such a feature be added to OPro, >please? Um well. This sounds right doesn't it. When we did some tests, load with lots of applets 'v' load with none, things were not that much faster. Depends on your disc of course cf RAM disc. > Automatic paragraph numbering (as in Publisher)? Perhaps Endnote could do >this by omitting the notes themselves, and allowing more than one such set? Well as has been thrashed out here in the past, auto numbering (better than in Publisher) is already in the program, and just needs finishing off. From: Roger King >A much better alternative would be to print the manual so that it would fit >into an industry-standard three-ring software binder, as with the Impression >Publisher manual. Updated information on Ovation Pro could then be easily >added. What would probably be a good thing would be if we always produced new info as OPro files you could printout and file. Starting with this mailing list? 8-) From: Ovation Mailing List >Hear, hear to everything Keith has said, but I would go further. Ian has >said that Beebug will not be sending any more free upgrades, which I totally Hmm. No more free upgrades is fair enough, the cost of mailing 2000 upgrades is considerable. However when we're talking about minor improvements and bug fixes, I think they should be at cost (e.g. SSAE). My own preference is to get the 'net upgrades going, because these can be much more responsive. Of course the happy model this point of view is based on is one where there is a steady stream of new users to buy the program and fund new work. I'm also not sure what is going on with the folk with no 'net access. Presumeably their next contact is going to be x years down the line when Beebug try to sell them a major upgrade. One idea would be some sort of newsletter (e.g. The Archimedian) or a low cost subscription to upgrade discs and the useful bits and bobs from the web pages and mailling list. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 13 14:04:24 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50452 for opro ; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:04:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879413612:05:10819:79; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:33:32 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517519; 13 Nov 97 9:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ay2005315; 13 Nov 97 9:32 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:20:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: wish list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971113.092027.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 12:56:57 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 12 09:56:57 1997 > From: Chris Ford > Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:13:33 +0000 > Organization: > Subject: wish list > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:47:02 +0000 (GMT) > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > X-Apparently-From: > X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > Content-Length: 3187 > > Dear All (but in particular David!) > To take people's minds off the impending release of OPro 2.47, I've come up > with a short(?) wishlist that would help wean me off Publisher! Do other > people think they would be useful, or know of ways of implementing them? > > Magnifier: "Previous" zoom/position would be very useful (as in Publisher, > where Adjust clicking on the magnifier icon goes back to the previous zoom, > eg after zooming in on some detail. > > Mail merge: mail merge just using field numbers instead of names seems > extremely crude, compared with the rest of OPro! Perhaps an applet would do > the trick, but is there any way of intercepting Merge commands when merging? > Can arbitrary text be stored in the merge command? I have some > simple but useful database utilities which are controlled by Publisher's > mail merge tags. It would be helpful if OPro could support CC's public > domain Impulse module, to use mail merge commands as in Impression. > It would be worth making this possible, as it would allow more meaningful > names, and in conjunction with an applet to handle extra merge commands (or > broadcast an Impulse message) would allow databases and my special functions > to work. > [The things my program can do: look up addresses in one CSV file to match > the names found in the main CSV file; extract all the entries in a CSV file > matching some criterion; skip a record if a condition is not satisfied, eg > the value of a field is zero, etc; move to next mail-merge record within a > document; automatically numbered citations referred to by nicknames, a bit > like Endnote but allowing a citation to be mentioned multiple times within a > document. If it were possible and easy, I'd make these freely available.] > > Autosave: If the !OvWrite applet is enabled, to check saving over all files, > it asks for confirmation every time the autosave occurs. This may suit some > people, but I find it annoying. Setting !OvWrite to protect only older files > is dangerous if the names are different. !Publisher works well in this > respect, in that it does not complain if the file has already been saved to, > but only if you try to change the name and save it over another file. Any > chance of !OvWrite being able to detect this subtlety? > > Applets: OPro takes quite a time to start up, because of the number of > applets (even excluding less-used applets I have 26). The same used to be > true of Artworks until CC introduced a fast load feature which put all the > extensions together in advance. Could such a feature be added to OPro, > please? > > Automatic paragraph numbering (as in Publisher)? Perhaps Endnote could do > this by omitting the notes themselves, and allowing more than one such set? > > I'm sure there are more than enough things on the To Do list already > (despite the powerful range of existing features), but some of these might be > easy to implement and would pursuade more people to move over from "legacy > software"! > > Thanks, > Chris. > -- > Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > Couid I add two items. :- (1)Combining therasus & spell checker into one so I can check that I am not correcting a spelling error into a different word. (2)A spread sheet or table that is active after importing so that I can easly make changes. John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Pager 01426-235878, Webb http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:29:54 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50692 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:29:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758574:05:12114:82; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:22:54 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1518321; 17 Nov 97 9:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:21 GMT From: John Cartmell Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:14:45 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: wish list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091445.18@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:33:50 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > (2)A spread sheet or table that is active after importing so that I > can easly make changes. but we run the danger of bloatware. Tablemate does this superbly and can link with any DTP program or Draw using OLE. In addition it is available in a standard and pro version. I would strongly advise keeping to the Acorn style of having separate programs with top class interconnectivity. -- John Cartmell Manchester using Acorn RiscPC & StrongARM To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:30:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50694 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:29:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758612:05:12451:92; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:23:32 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518593; 17 Nov 97 9:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:21 GMT From: Roger King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:16:50 +0000 Organization: Subject: Ungroup Command To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091650.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:14:41 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Has anyone noticed that the key shortcut "Ungroup" command from the Object menu does not function? Has this been fixed in version 2.47? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:30:10 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50696 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:30:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758637:05:12638:30; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:23:57 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518618; 17 Nov 97 9:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:22 GMT From: Sudipta Sarkar Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:17:53 +0000 Organization: Subject: Restoring settings and changes of address To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091753.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:40:23 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c As some one who just did the jump from A 25 MHz A5000 to a 233 MHz RiscPC, I had to reinstall OvnPro from scratch from the install discs. I kept a copy of my older copy. Could someone tell me which files I need to copy out of the old one to the new one to get my heavily customised tool bars (I've just copied the applets straight over). -- > Sudipta Sarkar @ University of St Andrews To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:30:19 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50698 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:30:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758686:05:12960:80; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:24:46 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518813; 17 Nov 97 9:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:22 GMT From: Alan Partridge Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:18:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: Arrange Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091813.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:19:59 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi, I don't recall anything about this on the mailing list. Does anyone else have problems with the Arrange applet. I find that Ovation crashes with a type 5 error when I select a few objects and select align. Ovation 2.46, RiscOS 3.70, SA. Cheers. -- Alan Partridge, Physics Dept, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:30:25 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50700 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:30:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758704:12:14276:26; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:25:04 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518807; 17 Nov 97 9:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id am2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:23 GMT From: Pete Bready Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:14:04 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: 2.47.48 etc To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091404.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:34:31 -0800 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c All this talk of 2.47,2.48 etc is great news, but might I add a request for some sort of roadmap ie. what's fixed/planned in future versions (and rough ideas of planned release dates). I find the History/Changes files that many apps contain very useful - often you can labour away using some get-round without knowing that it has actually been fixed, while other fixes might switch you on to a way of doing things you didn't realise were possible. Could this type of list be maintained on the web site and added to every time DP comes out with 'that's fixed in 2.48...'? We wouldn't hold you to actual dates or planned contents - honest! Pete Bready To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:30:33 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50702 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:30:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758721:05:13253:26; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:25:21 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1518892; 17 Nov 97 9:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:24 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:14:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091424.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 17:48:17 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Ariancylch >If it's likely to be feasible to write an Impulse applet I'll do it, I'm >just not sure of what, exactly, the applets can and can't do. (Though >I've done stuff with Impulse before) >Could this be an applet, or will it need to be 'main code'? The Impulse applet is done. Some changes to the main program were needed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:30:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50704 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:30:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758774:05:13541:81; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:26:14 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519050; 17 Nov 97 9:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ao2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:24 GMT From: Keith Parker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:17:31 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091731.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 23:33:47 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 13 Nov 97 (09:20:47 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > One idea would be some sort of newsletter (e.g. The Archimedian) or a > low cost subscription to upgrade discs and the useful bits and bobs from > the web pages and mailling list. Super idea! Might be a good thing for one of us OPro users to produce on Beebugs behalf ... that would keep Ian free to ensure that OPro develops and Sleuth3 appears :-) Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:30:45 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50706 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:30:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758782:12:14668:83; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:26:22 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519080; 17 Nov 97 9:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:24 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:16:07 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: wish list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091607.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:44:39 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > (2)A spread sheet or table that is active after importing so that I > can easly make changes. This facility can be available already if you invest in a copy of Tablemate Designer. It has an active spreadsheet function and OLEs with Ovation Pro. I have entered data into OP using Tablemate Designer and when I have wanted to alter it, Ctrl click on the table and the alterations can be made actively. I upgraded from the simple Tablemate which came with Impression, for about 30 quid. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:30:51 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50708 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:30:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758798:05:13719:79; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:26:38 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519216; 17 Nov 97 9:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id as2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:25 GMT From: Tim King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:15:05 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Previous zoom To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091505.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:42:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 13 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > From: Chris Ford > > > Magnifier: "Previous" zoom/position would be very useful (as in > > Publisher, where Adjust clicking on the magnifier icon goes back to the > > previous zoom, eg after zooming in on some detail. > > Hmm. not many people are happy with 'previous'. Hmm. Know what you mean, but when you do want it, it's really nice. For single page stuff (ie in AWs, ProCAD, etc), it's vital - especially the ProCAD implementation - and works well. With something like OP, what you tend to want is the previous zoom & position, OR, previous zoom level at the current position. By the time you'd negotiated menus or had permutations of keypress to decide which, maybe the current set up is best? Don't know. Surprise us with yet another killer feature, David ;-) tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:30:57 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50710 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:30:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758804:05:13773:85; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:26:44 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519279; 17 Nov 97 9:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id at2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:25 GMT From: Carl Cepurneek Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:15:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: 'Previous' zoom To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091547.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:37:25 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c continuing... >> Magnifier: "Previous" zoom/position would be very useful (as in Publisher, >>where Adjust clicking on the magnifier icon goes back to the previous zoom, >>eg after zooming in on some detail. > >Hmm. not many people are happy with 'previous'. I've found the 'Previous' button a bit of a mystery. Just checking... I open a document at 100%, choose 50% from the zoom menu, use the magnifier to check a small area (now 333%) and click 'Previous'. Hmm, back to 100%, not the previous 50. Perhaps it should be labeled 'default' or something. The click on the magnifier sounds good to me. A related issue would be the (optional) option for a larger magnifications to also enlarge the window size to full page width if possible. Ditto particularly for the 'Fit width' button. Suggestion: Select clicks on the nn% and 'Fit' buttons change the magnification of the document without changing the window size (except of course if it must be smaller) while adjust clicks automatically resize the window (to full page view if possible) as well. ..03 worth, cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:31:07 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50712 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:31:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758860:05:14030:79; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:27:40 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519503; 17 Nov 97 9:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ax2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:26 GMT From: "Peter Daniel" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:13:42 +0000 Organization: University of Salford Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091342.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:07:53 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > > > On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, David Pilling wrote: > > > From: Mr John Boyles > > > > >I wondered if it would be possible to write an equation applet along the li > > >nes of Formulix so that equations could be treated just like normal text? I > > > notice that some applets (ColPal and StylePal) involve extra windows from > > >which you can select various options. Would it be possible to have an =90eq > > >uation=91 window as in Formulix? > > > > Well I've made enough promises without promising an equation editor. > > Pity really because I'm qualified to write one. The approach to an applet > > would be to decide what sort of additions would be needed to OPro's text > > handling, for example codes which allowed vertical and horizontal movement, > > once they were added to the main program, then an applet might not be too hard. > > > > Oh please do promise this, I'm sure thatthere are lots of other people out > there who would like this, not just us two > > Julian > > Yes I could use a decent equation editor, even if I can get Techwriter half price it is still a lot of money (for a student!) Peter > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > Windows Multitasking: screwing up several things at once To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:31:13 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50714 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:31:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758861:06:00948:29; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:27:41 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519466; 17 Nov 97 9:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id au2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:26 GMT From: Chris Manning Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:16:28 +0000 Organization: Organisation? Er, no... Subject: Re: 2.47 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091628.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:08:58 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971112.091758.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Ovation Mailing List wrote: > Ian has said that Beebug will not be sending any more free upgrades, > which I totally accept. Although we should take care to distinguish between bug fixes and enhancements. 2.47, I assume, will contain both. > If we, as OvationPro users, do not pay a realistic price for our upgrades > (not the derisory 5 that Ian has mentioned) then I can foresee Beebug > going down the same road as Computor Concepts and deserting the Acorn > platform. At the recent show Icon Technology were charging 25 for upgrades to TechWriter Pro, and IIRC they were charging a similar amount last year. 25/year to ensure that an application is continually enhanced seems quite reasonable to me. BTW Roger (I'm not going to be fooled into thinking that you're really called Ovation Mailing List ;-), your message arrived here with various Mime-ish manglings, which I've removed them from the text that I quoted, and without a single Mime header in sight. IMHO they merely served to make your message unintelligible. Chris To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:31:25 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50716 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:31:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758924:05:14479:80; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:28:44 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1519666; 17 Nov 97 9:28 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ba2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:27 GMT From: Tim King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:15:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: upgrades To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091525.43@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:30:07 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 13 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > is considerable. However when we're talking about minor improvements an= d > bug fixes, I think they should be at cost (e.g. SSAE). My own preferenc= e is > to get the 'net upgrades going, because these can be much more responsi= ve. Agreed - and for exactly those reasons. Responsiveness, and far less of a drain on Beebug resources. >=20 > Of course the happy model this point of view is based on is one where t= here > is a steady stream of new users to buy the program and fund new work. >=20 > I'm also not sure what is going on with the folk with no 'net access. > Presumeably their next contact is going to be x years down the line > when Beebug try to sell them a major upgrade. Maybe. But... 1 I think anyone who buys OP is serious enough about their computing that if they're not on the net now, then they will be before too long, an= d .... 2 (at least out here in the antipodes) the Acorn community is close enough and friendly enough that if anyone hasn't got net access, then the= y'll know someone who has. And if what we're talking about are just bug fixes,= then there shouldn't be a problem sharing around the upgrades... ? >=20 > One idea would be some sort of newsletter (e.g. The Archimedian) or a l= ow Well, nice of course - but if you're going to print and post those out, y= ou may as well send a disk. I think most people would prefer to see the resources go into your pocket, David (we're sure you're underpaid ;-), or into further development. One problem with the Archimedian was that that = was=0D about all we got out of CC. > cost subscription to upgrade discs and the useful bits and bobs from th= e > web pages and mailling list. Yep. User pays for the few who need (want) it, and it wouldn't tie up too much labour or =A3. tim --=20 Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile = =20 Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 17 19:31:33 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50718 for opro ; Mon, 17 Nov 97 19:31:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879758927:12:15370:80; Mon, 17 Nov 97 09:28:47 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1519624; 17 Nov 97 9:28 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ay2029816; 17 Nov 97 9:27 GMT From: Chris Manning Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:17:12 +0000 Organization: Organisation? Er, no... Subject: Re: New Ovation Pro Manual To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971117.091712.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:26:00 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971112.091714.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Roger King wrote: > The metal wire binding on the current Ovation Pro manuals is not too good > in my opinion. Several sections of the wire have broken leaving the manual > in rather a mess. The manual has not had harsh treatment, only frequent > reference. > Have any other users had this problem? Well, my Ovation manual is pretty much in pristine condition, and given their common source it's not surprising to find that it and my Hearsay manual seem to be of identical construction, although the Ovation manual's a little larger (288pp vs 202). The Hearsay manual's now four years old, and its generally dirty and dog-eared condition is a guide to how often I've referred to it. I've had no problems with the binding. > A much better alternative would be to print the manual so that it would > fit into an industry-standard three-ring software binder, as with the > Impression Publisher manual. IIRC the reason that I bought a new Hearsay manual four years ago is that its predecessor was in a three-ring binder and, as always happens with such abominations, many of the pages had fallen out. :-( I successfully transferred a good many of my earlier (mainly Beeb) manuals to seven-ring binders (yes, the holes line up perfectly, as they would on the pages of the Ovation manual), but the binders I have are too small for the page size favoured by Beebug. Chris To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 18 13:53:43 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50809 for opro ; Tue, 18 Nov 97 13:53:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879844024:12:16866:81; Tue, 18 Nov 97 09:07:04 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1512340; 18 Nov 97 9:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1007127; 18 Nov 97 9:05 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:59:38 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971118.085938.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:57:29 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971117.091424.97@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > From: Ariancylch > > >If it's likely to be feasible to write an Impulse applet I'll do it, I'm > >just not sure of what, exactly, the applets can and can't do. (Though > >I've done stuff with Impulse before) > >Could this be an applet, or will it need to be 'main code'? > > The Impulse applet is done. Some changes to the main program > were needed. Yay! Now I can consider Impact :) -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 18 13:53:48 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50811 for opro ; Tue, 18 Nov 97 13:53:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879844103:06:24955:26; Tue, 18 Nov 97 09:08:23 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1512651; 18 Nov 97 9:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah1007127; 18 Nov 97 9:07 GMT From: O_Pro Mailing List Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:00:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'Previous' zoom To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971118.090022.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:52:53 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Carl Cepurneek wrote: > I've found the 'Previous' button a bit of a mystery. Just checking... I > open a document at 100%, choose 50% from the zoom menu, use the magnifier > to check a small area (now 333%) and click 'Previous'. Hmm, back to 100%, > not the previous 50. Perhaps it should be labeled 'default' or something. I had not noticed this -Previous- button effect for reasons explained later. I have just tried it and found exactly the same as Carl. It -is- behaving as a default setting. However, has anyone else noticed that when you use this button, the subject which could have been magnified to 1000x, then immediately hides behind the Button Bar at 100x? Normally, I find that I use, in descending order of preference: Hot Keys Button Bar buttons Button Bar buttons that lead to Dialogue Boxes Menus Consequently, when I want to inspect something more closely in a document, I stay with the Select Tool and use in combination with either clicking Select or Select-dragging a rectangle to produce the required magnification. When I reverse the process by and clicking on Adjust, frustration arises because this last action puts the view back to Page 1 (every time), even though I was working on (say) Page 20. Maybe I should change tools to the Magnifier when I want to do this sort of thing? But that is an extra two actions. Or have I missed something? Frank (2.46, RPC, SA) (Comments on format, coding, etc. by direct email, please, to: ) -- Frank Watkinson (using !Pluto 0.35d with ANT InetSuite) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 18 13:53:52 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50813 for opro ; Tue, 18 Nov 97 13:53:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879844104:06:24966:26; Tue, 18 Nov 97 09:08:24 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1512530; 18 Nov 97 9:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1007127; 18 Nov 97 9:06 GMT From: Carl Cepurneek Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:01:07 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Restoring settings / manual suggestion To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971118.090107.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:18:27 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Sundipta Sakar wrote, about reinstalling OPro... >I kept a copy of my older copy. Could someone tell me which files I need >to copy out of the old one to the new one to get my heavily customised >tool bars (I've just copied the applets straight over). Customising could be a whole section for the new manual, bringing together all the little things to personalize your work environment (or references to where in the manul they are treated in detail). Sundipta's request is just one of several overlaping catagories: Reinstall and rebuild old settings. Share icons, macros with other users. Several users (with their own preferences) on one machine. As above - particularly in classrooms. Single user with more than one mode of operation. 'Demo' versions for different types of potential users. It's fairly obvious what to do with applets, but some of the other stuff is rather cunningly buried :-) Regards, cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 18 13:53:56 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50815 for opro ; Tue, 18 Nov 97 13:53:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879844105:12:17217:79; Tue, 18 Nov 97 09:08:25 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1512500; 18 Nov 97 9:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae1007127; 18 Nov 97 9:06 GMT From: O_Pro Mailing List Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:00:45 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'ToolBar Jump' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971118.090045.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:27:41 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I have been watching this list since 14 May 1997 when I obtained OPro 2.43. I do not remember anyone commenting on the following, which I have noticed recently. Load any document. Open window to full size. Drag the Adjust Window Size icon to reduce the window to the absolute minimum, that is, to occupy minimum space in the top left of the screen. Then click on the Toggle Window Size icon. The window opens to maximum size and the ToolBar jumps to the bottom- left of the screen, leaving only the Select, Rectangle and Line Tool buttons visible. Yes, you can drag the ToolBar back to where you want it, but it is an unnecessary interruption. A minor bug? Correction? - low priority? I can only admire the responsiveness of David Pilling to this mailing list and Ian MacDougall's patience. Frank (2.46, RPC, SA) (Comments on format, coding, etc. by direct email, please, to: ) -- Frank Watkinson (using !Pluto 0.35d with ANT InetSuite) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 18 13:54:05 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50817 for opro ; Tue, 18 Nov 97 13:54:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879844179:05:08050:26; Tue, 18 Nov 97 09:09:39 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1512881; 18 Nov 97 9:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al1007127; 18 Nov 97 9:08 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:00:00 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: upgrades To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971118.090000.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:15:02 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971117.091525.43@risc.demon.co.uk> Tim King wrote: [stuff that's been completely reformatted - should we blame MailList for stripping the MIME headers, as it seems to virtually everything else?] > On Thu 13 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > is considerable. However when we're talking about minor improvements > > and bug fixes, I think they should be at cost (e.g. SSAE). My own > > preference is to get the 'net upgrades going, because these can be > > much more responsive. > > Agreed - and for exactly those reasons. Responsiveness, and far less > of a drain on Beebug resources. And easy to find... > > Of course the happy model this point of view is based on is one > > where there is a steady stream of new users to buy the program and > > fund new work. > > I'm also not sure what is going on with the folk with no 'net > > access. Presumeably their next contact is going to be x years down > > the line when Beebug try to sell them a major upgrade. > > Maybe. But... > 1 I think anyone who buys OP is serious enough about their > computing that if they're not on the net now, then they will be > before too long, and ... Whether or not they're going to be on the 'net "before too long" I don't know, but I think the assumption that a 'serious OP user' is the same as a 'net user' is a very bad one to make. I hope that Beebug -don't- make the same assumption. > 2 (at least out here in the antipodes) the Acorn community is > close enough and friendly enough that if anyone hasn't got net > access, then they'll know someone who has. And if what we're > talking about are just bug fixes,then there shouldn't be a > problem sharing around the upgrades... ? Certainly friendly enough, though one is always curious when another says 'close enough' and the pair have never even heard of each other. Upgrades are, quite simply, a pain. One of my varied jobs is working at a local high school where most of us in the 'computing' area have far too much to do as it is, without having to try and keep track of upgrades. The absolute ideal from our point of view is -exactly- what we've had from Beebug up until now (though I realise it was always only for a limited time...) - we're sent upgrades 'automatically'. Ideally (as we've discussed this :) we'd like a 'central' NZ place that would organise these things for us. They keep track of when upgrades are available (and, presumably, they find out as the publisher tells them, since these people are handling upgrades for most of NZ) and just send them on (or, perhaps, faxes a list of currently available upgrades so we can tick some and fax it back) and bill us for whatever it costs. This would eliminate the hassle from our point of view (we wouldn't have to find who has what upgrades, and then invent money transfers in order to actually obtain the damn thing), it (should) have the benefit of minimising work for the publishers, as they'd only have to send upgrades (and any associated billing) to the one place, and could even only have to send 'one' upgrade, if the local people were permitted to duplicate the upgrades. At one stage Acorn NZ seemed to be starting to do this - Impression upgrades could be obtained through them, but they've vanished entirely :/ > > One idea would be some sort of newsletter (e.g. The Archimedian) or > > a low > > Well, nice of course - but if you're going to print and post those > out, you may as well send a disk. I think most people would prefer to > see the resources go into your pocket, David (we're sure you're > underpaid ;-), or into further development. One problem with the > Archimedian was that that was about all we got out of CC. And we got it about 6 months after it was 'published'. (Intentionally, so we couldn't use any of their 'offers'? :) > > cost subscription to upgrade discs and the useful bits and bobs from > > the web pages and mailling list. That would be fabulous :) -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 18 13:54:11 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50819 for opro ; Tue, 18 Nov 97 13:54:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879844183:12:17496:102; Tue, 18 Nov 97 09:09:43 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1512790; 18 Nov 97 9:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj1007127; 18 Nov 97 9:07 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:01:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971118.090127.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 23:08:00 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Roger King >Has anyone noticed that the key shortcut "Ungroup" >command from the Object menu does not function? I'll bet that either (a) you have something else which has redefined that keypress or (b) the frames can't be ungrouped for some reason (like master page frames). >Has this been fixed in version 2.47? It does work in my copy. From: Sudipta Sarkar >I kept a copy of my older copy. Could someone tell me which files I need >to copy out of the old one to the new one to get my heavily customised >tool bars (I've just copied the applets straight over). The Toolbar is held in the Macros file, and in general configuration data is held in the Autorun and Library directories i.e. you could copy those. From: Alan Partridge >Does anyone else have problems with the Arrange applet. I find that Ovation >crashes with a type 5 error when I select a few objects and select align. Um. No, since it was last compiled on May 21st. and since I don't know of any problems. Can you give me a specific example? From: Pete Bready >All this talk of 2.47,2.48 etc is great news, but might I add a request >for some sort of roadmap ie. what's fixed/planned in future versions >(and rough ideas of planned release dates). I find the History/Changes >files that many apps contain very useful - often you can labour away I was surprised when I installed 2.46 from a set of release discs that it had a ReadMe file which documented all the bug fixes. We do have text files which document all the changes and bug fixes, I assume that these or a distillation of them will appear with 2.47 etc. Plans are always difficult with software. At the moment what gets done is what I feel like doing. So plans do tend to change. >Could this type of list be maintained on the web >site and added to every time DP comes out with 'that's fixed in 2.48...'? Maybe. From: Carl Cepurneek >I've found the 'Previous' button a bit of a mystery. Just checking... I >open a document at 100%, choose 50% from the zoom menu, use the magnifier >to check a small area (now 333%) and click 'Previous'. Hmm, back to 100%, >not the previous 50. Perhaps it should be labeled 'default' or something. You see! Previous sets the zoom back to what it was when the magnify tool was selected. When you click with the magnify tool, the zoom takes place centred on the point at which you clicked. From: Chris Manning >Although we should take care to distinguish between bug fixes and >enhancements. 2.47, I assume, will contain both. Yes, although mostly bug fixes. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 19 13:54:18 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50908 for opro ; Wed, 19 Nov 97 13:54:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879930183:05:26599:79; Wed, 19 Nov 97 09:03:03 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1505494; 19 Nov 97 9:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2011049; 19 Nov 97 9:01 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:57:58 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: OvationPro + Navaho To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971119.085758.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:00:36 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Is there anyone else here using the Navaho internet suite (specifically the News) on the same machine as OvPro? I have this vague suspicion that something within one doesn't like the other - while it was running every time I tried to start OvPro it type=5'd at me. -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 19 13:54:23 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50910 for opro ; Wed, 19 Nov 97 13:54:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879930201:05:26774:81; Wed, 19 Nov 97 09:03:21 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1505511; 19 Nov 97 9:03 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2011049; 19 Nov 97 9:02 GMT From: Alan Partridge Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:56:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971119.085609.18@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:53:28 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi, David Pilling wrote: > From: Alan Partridge > >Does anyone else have problems with the Arrange applet. I find > >that Ovation crashes with a type 5 error when I select a few objects > >and select align. > Um. No, since it was last compiled on May 21st. and since I don't > know of any problems. Can you give me a specific example? Starting with a completely blank Ovation Pro document, draw three empty frames and select all three. From the Object.Arrange menu choose Align, Left and Horizontal. Ovation crashes. Same for RiscPC, RISCOS 3.5 and RiscPC, SA, RISCOS 3.7. Have I the most recent versrion of Arrange (1.00)? Am I trying to usse the applet correctly? Cheers. -- mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 19 13:54:28 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50912 for opro ; Wed, 19 Nov 97 13:54:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879930263:12:01954:39; Wed, 19 Nov 97 09:04:23 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1505732; 19 Nov 97 9:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj2011049; 19 Nov 97 9:03 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:56:32 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971119.085632.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:26:38 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971118.090127.72@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > > From: Roger King > > >Has anyone noticed that the key shortcut "Ungroup" > >command from the Object menu does not function? > > I'll bet that either (a) you have something else which has > redefined that keypress or (b) the frames can't be ungrouped > for some reason (like master page frames). > > >Has this been fixed in version 2.47? > > It does work in my copy. Mine too :) However, the 'common' way I've found to disable key-shortcuts in OvPro is to inadvertantly assign them as a style-shortcut. Which I've never quite worked out how to 'undo'... -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 19 13:54:33 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50914 for opro ; Wed, 19 Nov 97 13:54:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879930279:05:27148:78; Wed, 19 Nov 97 09:04:39 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1505765; 19 Nov 97 9:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak2011049; 19 Nov 97 9:03 GMT From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:57:15 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971119.085715.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:26:38 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971118.090127.72@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > > From: Roger King > > >Has anyone noticed that the key shortcut "Ungroup" > >command from the Object menu does not function? > > I'll bet that either (a) you have something else which has > redefined that keypress or (b) the frames can't be ungrouped > for some reason (like master page frames). > > >Has this been fixed in version 2.47? > > It does work in my copy. Mine too :) However, the 'common' way I've found to disable key-shortcuts in OvPro is to inadvertantly assign them as a style-shortcut. Which I've never quite worked out how to 'undo'... -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 19 13:54:42 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50917 for opro ; Wed, 19 Nov 97 13:54:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879930314:12:02134:78; Wed, 19 Nov 97 09:05:14 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1505901; 19 Nov 97 9:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al2011049; 19 Nov 97 9:04 GMT From: Carl Cepurneek Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:57:36 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'Previous' zoom To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971119.085736.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:02:20 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Frank continues the thread... >Consequently, when I want to inspect something more closely in a >document, I stay with the Select Tool and use in >combination with either clicking Select or Select-dragging a >rectangle to produce the required magnification. When I reverse the >process by and clicking on Adjust, frustration arises >because this last action puts the view back to Page 1 (every time), >even though I was working on (say) Page 20. Maybe I should change >tools to the Magnifier when I want to do this sort of thing? But >that is an extra two actions. > >Or have I missed something? I'd say you'd >found< somthing -- a bug :-) I have been using the magnifier with select/click and adjust click and the object of my attention stays under the magnifier (prefering a few more clicks than coordinating two fingers). Now trying what Frank suggests, I find that select-drag box stays where it should, but only adjust-drag box jumps to page one. Anyway, nice to have choices. cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 19 13:54:47 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50919 for opro ; Wed, 19 Nov 97 13:54:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879930321:12:02206:78; Wed, 19 Nov 97 09:05:21 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1505959; 19 Nov 97 9:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an2011049; 19 Nov 97 9:04 GMT From: "D.A.Symes" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:58:19 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'ToolBar Jump' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971119.085819.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:32:24 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c O_Pro Mailing List wrote: > I have been watching this list since 14 May 1997 when I obtained OPro > 2.43. I do not remember anyone commenting on the following, which I > have noticed recently. > Load any document. Open window to full size. Drag the Adjust Window > Size icon to reduce the window to the absolute minimum, that is, to > occupy minimum space in the top left of the screen. Then click on > the Toggle Window Size icon. > The window opens to maximum size and the ToolBar jumps to the bottom- > left of the screen, leaving only the Select, Rectangle and Line Tool > buttons visible. > Yes, you can drag the ToolBar back to where you want it, but it is an > unnecessary interruption. A minor bug? Correction? - low priority? > I can only admire the responsiveness of David Pilling to this mailing list > and Ian MacDougall's patience. > Frank (2.46, RPC, SA) How interesting... I've just tried that one, and yes Frank is correct. The toolbar does almost vanish by jumping off the bottom of the screen. I'm using version 2.46 Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 0.34b To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 19 13:54:53 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA50921 for opro ; Wed, 19 Nov 97 13:54:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 879930384:05:27662:79; Wed, 19 Nov 97 09:06:24 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af1506113; 19 Nov 97 9:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ap2011049; 19 Nov 97 9:05 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:56:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971119.085652.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 14:32:45 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: >Consequently, when I want to inspect something more closely in a >document, I stay with the Select Tool and use in >combination with either clicking Select or Select-dragging a >rectangle to produce the required magnification. When I reverse the >process by and clicking on Adjust, frustration arises >because this last action puts the view back to Page 1 (every time), >even though I was working on (say) Page 20. Maybe I should change >tools to the Magnifier when I want to do this sort of thing? But >that is an extra two actions. This seems to be one of those things... if you click correctly then it works. But a click which is really a very small drag gives the incorrect effect you report. It's the problem of a small drag box implying a huge magnification. >Load any document. Open window to full size. Drag the Adjust Window >Size icon to reduce the window to the absolute minimum, that is, to >occupy minimum space in the top left of the screen. Then click on >the Toggle Window Size icon. >The window opens to maximum size and the ToolBar jumps to the bottom- >>left of the screen, leaving only the Select, Rectangle and Line Tool >buttons visible. >Yes, you can drag the ToolBar back to where you want it, but it is an >unnecessary interruption. A minor bug? Correction? - low priority? Unintentional side effect. There are rules for how the toolbox moves in relation to the main window. One of them is that it moves differently when above the centre of the main window to when it is below the centre. And it's this 'feature' which produces this bad effect. The same undesirable behaviour can be seen in another common situation (drag the bottom of the window up as far as it will go, and then back down). David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 20 14:17:29 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51017 for opro ; Thu, 20 Nov 97 14:17:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880017613:05:21272:80; Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:20:13 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519673; 20 Nov 97 9:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2002570; 20 Nov 97 9:19 GMT From: Sudipta Sarkar Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:11:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Restoring settings / manual suggestion To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971120.091159.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:22:14 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c By the way, my name is Sudipta, before anybody else gets it wrong!! The other thing was that my home address has also changed, so how should that be updated? -- > Sudipta Sarkar @ University of St Andrews To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 20 14:17:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51021 for opro ; Thu, 20 Nov 97 14:17:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880017681:05:21728:25; Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:21:21 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519897; 20 Nov 97 9:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2002570; 20 Nov 97 9:20 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:14:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971120.091412.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:09:26 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Ariancylch wrote: > Mine too :) > However, the 'common' way I've found to disable key-shortcuts in OvPro > is to inadvertantly assign them as a style-shortcut. Which I've never > quite worked out how to 'undo'... That got me for a while. Click Delete with the Edit Style window open andt the keypress will clear. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 20 14:17:42 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51024 for opro ; Thu, 20 Nov 97 14:17:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880017687:05:21757:25; Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:21:27 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1519719; 20 Nov 97 9:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2002570; 20 Nov 97 9:19 GMT From: Keith Parker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:15:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Arrange Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971120.091558.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 22:51:40 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 17 Nov 97 (09:18:13 +0000), perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk wrote: > Does anyone else have problems with the Arrange applet. I find that > Ovation crashes with a type 5 error when I select a few objects and > select align. No, sorry ;-) > Ovation 2.46, RiscOS 3.70, SA. Same system but 2.45 :-) Hint, Ian, hint! Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 20 14:17:47 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51026 for opro ; Thu, 20 Nov 97 14:17:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880017726:12:09005:78; Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:22:06 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1519897; 20 Nov 97 9:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj2002570; 20 Nov 97 9:21 GMT From: Toby Bryans Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:15:39 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OvationPro + Navaho To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971120.091539.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:01:55 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 19 Nov, Ariancylch wrote: > Is there anyone else here using the Navaho internet suite (specifically > the News) on the same machine as OvPro? I have this vague suspicion that > something within one doesn't like the other - while it was running every > time I tried to start OvPro it type=5'd at me. Yes me ;-) It must be said that even when Navaho was in Beta testing stage, it hardly ever crashed on me. Much. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any type 5s in conjunction with Ovation Pro. So, I suspect that it isn't that. Which version are you running? The latest "free, but support costs" version? Version 2.46 of Ovation Pro. plur Tobs -- For those with an eye for the finer details, we salute you... - Frankie Goes To Hollywood http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tob195/ eMail Work: toby.bryans@beltd.com To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 20 14:17:52 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51028 for opro ; Thu, 20 Nov 97 14:17:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880017736:12:09040:28; Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:22:16 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520009; 20 Nov 97 9:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai2002570; 20 Nov 97 9:20 GMT From: M R Devon Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:15:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OvationPro + Navaho To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971120.091516.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:24:31 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Ariancylch wrote: > Is there anyone else here using the Navaho internet suite (specifically > the News) on the same machine as OvPro? I have this vague suspicion that > something within one doesn't like the other - while it was running every > time I tried to start OvPro it type=5'd at me. > Sorry, I can't reproduce this behaviour. They cooperate perfectly here. But isn't it a bit of a curious thing to do, DTPing on your web server? Navaho is really sufficient for one machine IMO. Do you have enough RAM? 32Mb is suggested for Navaho. Martin Devon Stonar School To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 20 14:17:57 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51030 for opro ; Thu, 20 Nov 97 14:17:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880017813:12:09349:78; Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:23:33 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1520431; 20 Nov 97 9:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak2002570; 20 Nov 97 9:22 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:14:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971120.091432.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 14:45:30 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Alan Partridge >Have I the most recent version of Arrange (1.00)? No. And this probably explains everything. IMHO Arrange 1.01 comes with OPro 2.45/2.46. On the whole if you're given a new version of an applet with a new version of the program it's not a good idea to replace it with an older one. Applets which use compiled code like Arrange (i.e. have an Image file) are the high risk ones. From: Ariancylch >However, the 'common' way I've found to disable key-shortcuts in OvPro >is to inadvertantly assign them as a style-shortcut. Which I've never >quite worked out how to 'undo'... Press Delete in the style edit box to get rid of a key press for a style. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 20 14:18:03 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51032 for opro ; Thu, 20 Nov 97 14:18:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880017882:12:09545:79; Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:24:42 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520585; 20 Nov 97 9:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ap2002570; 20 Nov 97 9:23 GMT From: Paul Hutton Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:16:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: Importing files within files? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971120.091620.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:25:55 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Can I just say that as a highly devoted user of Ovation for years and then Ovation Pro, I think it is an ab fab program. It is all too easy sometimes to fling mud at a wall, it is worthwhile occasionally stopping and giving credit where credit is due. Look how far we have come with Ovation; and think of the few people actually involved in making wishlists come true. Well done David Pilling and Co! Queries 1: Is it possible to take out a style sheet from one OPro document and import it later on in another document (e.g. take out style sheet and use it as the stylesheet for chapter3 of an existing two chapter document)? 2: Would it be possible to drag a document icon into another open document, thus merging them- text and graphics together? I tried this and ended up- after a warning message- with a 971 page document with nothing but odd script. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Peu s'en fallut que je ne mourusse d'ennui dans mon village" A beautiful French sentence... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 20 14:18:10 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51034 for opro ; Thu, 20 Nov 97 14:18:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880017960:12:09907:26; Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:26:00 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520768; 20 Nov 97 9:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ar2002570; 20 Nov 97 9:24 GMT From: "adams_n@marconi-instruments.co.uk" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:13:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re[2]: 'ToolBar Jump' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971120.091351.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 10:46:52 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hello again, This is 'broadly' similar to the problem I reported a while back but no-one seemed to believe it did it... Perhaps you will be kind enough for me to run this past you again.. Start OV-Pro Choose a standard A4 page. Move the window to anywhere on the screen. Now maximise it and you will find that the whole window has'jumped' to the top left of the screen...(assuming your monitor will display a full page with space for other items on the screen eg 17" monitor). My problem is that I often set up filer or other windows on the screen at the same time as an Ov-Pro doc and once it is positioned it is a real pain to find the document window keeps jumping back to the origin ie. 0,0... Trying other packages (eg Image Master, excellent package!) results in maximising and minimising from the same co-odinates. It may be that this 'feature' is not noticeable on smaller monitors, my apologies to those who have these for wasting their time. RPC, Strong Arm, 50Mb Ram, OV-Pro 2.46,IIyama 17" Monitor. Can anyone confirm this or am I completely mad? _ Nigel J.E.Adams |_| British Bus Preservation Group - \ | Preserving the past for the present and future..... \ | A bus \ | stop! \ | \ | \| ______________________________ Reply Separator __________________\______________ Subject: Re: 'ToolBar Jump' Author: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk at mismtpgw1 Date: 19/11/97 9:27 AM O_Pro Mailing List wrote: > I have been watching this list since 14 May 1997 when I obtained OPro > 2.43. I do not remember anyone commenting on the following, which I > have noticed recently. > Load any document. Open window to full size. Drag the Adjust Window > Size icon to reduce the window to the absolute minimum, that is, to > occupy minimum space in the top left of the screen. Then click on > the Toggle Window Size icon. > The window opens to maximum size and the ToolBar jumps to the bottom- > left of the screen, leaving only the Select, Rectangle and Line Tool > buttons visible. > Yes, you can drag the ToolBar back to where you want it, but it is an > unnecessary interruption. A minor bug? Correction? - low priority? > I can only admire the responsiveness of David Pilling to this mailing list > and Ian MacDougall's patience. > Frank (2.46, RPC, SA) How interesting... I've just tried that one, and yes Frank is correct. The toolbar does almost vanish by jumping off the bottom of the screen. I'm using version 2.46 Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 0.34b To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 20 14:18:16 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51036 for opro ; Thu, 20 Nov 97 14:18:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880017966:06:18147:30; Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:26:06 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1520585; 20 Nov 97 9:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ao2002570; 20 Nov 97 9:23 GMT From: Alf Chamings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:14:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971120.091454.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:30:11 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 19 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > From: > > > >Consequently, when I want to inspect something more closely in a > >document, I stay with the Select Tool and use in > >combination with either clicking Select or Select-dragging a > >rectangle to produce the required magnification. When I reverse the > >process by and clicking on Adjust, frustration arises > >because this last action puts the view back to Page 1 (every time), > >even though I was working on (say) Page 20. Maybe I should change > >tools to the Magnifier when I want to do this sort of thing? But > >that is an extra two actions. > > This seems to be one of those things... if you click correctly then it > works. But a click which is really a very small drag gives the incorrect > effect you report. It's the problem of a small drag box implying a huge > magnification. > > If this is the problem, isn't the solution to increase the 'drag start distance' in the mouse dialogue box in the !boot config? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 21 13:58:17 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51109 for opro ; Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:58:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880103490:12:10699:32; Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:11:30 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1523772; 21 Nov 97 9:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad1028431; 21 Nov 97 9:09 GMT From: Martin Tillman Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:06:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ungroup Command To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971121.090623.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:50:37 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971117.091650.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Roger King wrote: > Has anyone noticed that the key shortcut "Ungroup" > command from the Object menu does not function? It works OK here (2.46). -- m. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 21 13:58:22 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51111 for opro ; Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:58:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880103494:12:10746:25; Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:11:34 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1523829; 21 Nov 97 9:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1028431; 21 Nov 97 9:10 GMT From: MattLB Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:04:57 +0000 Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury Subject: Re: Re[2]: 'ToolBar Jump' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971121.090457.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:19:50 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > > > How interesting... I've just tried that one, and yes Frank is correct. > The toolbar does almost vanish by jumping off the bottom of the screen. > > I'm using version 2.46 > > Dave > > You can thwart the toolbar's teleportation tendancies if you very slightly overlap the main window with the right hand side of the toolbar before you carry out the above procedure. Matt To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 21 13:58:26 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51113 for opro ; Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:58:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880103568:05:00760:83; Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:12:48 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1524217; 21 Nov 97 9:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id am1028431; 21 Nov 97 9:11 GMT From: Martin Tillman Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:06:01 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Re[2]: 'ToolBar Jump' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971121.090601.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:45:22 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971120.091351.37@risc.demon.co.uk> "adams_n@marconi-instruments.co.uk" Start OV-Pro > Choose a standard A4 page. > Move the window to anywhere on the screen. > Now maximise it and you will find that the whole window has'jumped' to > the top left of the screen. Agreed. > Trying other packages (eg Image Master, excellent package!) results in > maximising and minimising from the same co-odinates. Indeed. > Can anyone confirm this or am I completely mad? Not mad! -- m. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 21 13:58:31 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51115 for opro ; Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:58:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880103576:05:00866:30; Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:12:56 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1524195; 21 Nov 97 9:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak1028431; 21 Nov 97 9:11 GMT From: Martin Devon Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:04:34 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OvationPro + Navaho To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971121.090434.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:33:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 19 Nov, Ariancylch wrote: > Is there anyone else here using the Navaho internet suite (specifically > the News) on the same machine as OvPro? I have this vague suspicion that > something within one doesn't like the other - while it was running every > time I tried to start OvPro it type=5'd at me. > (I tried telnetting this message yesterday but I think it failed - so apologies if duplicated) Sorry, I can't duplicate this problem. They coexist happily here. But it does seem a bit of an odd thing, to do DTP on your web server? Navaho can keep even a StrongArm 233 quite busy. How much RAM have you got - Navaho recommend 32Mb. Which PPP module are you using, Monesi or ANT? (Stonar is a principal beta site for Navaho - so might be better to use private email! mailto:Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk or as above). -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 21 13:58:37 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51117 for opro ; Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:58:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880103585:12:11141:78; Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:13:05 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1524215; 21 Nov 97 9:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al1028431; 21 Nov 97 9:11 GMT From: John Clegg Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:05:40 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971121.090540.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:48:30 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 20 Nov 97 (09:14:12 +0000), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: > Ariancylch wrote: > > > Mine too :) > > However, the 'common' way I've found to disable key-shortcuts in > OvPro > > is to inadvertantly assign them as a style-shortcut. Which I've never > > quite worked out how to 'undo'... > > That got me for a while. Click Delete with the Edit Style window open ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > andt the keypress will clear. > Shouldn't that be press the Delete Key John -- _____ ______ ______________________________________ /_ _// __/ /__ __ __ __ __ / John Clegg jclegg@argonet.co.uk __/ / / /_/ / ._) _ ` / _ ` / / in Chorley, Lancashire, England /___/./___/_/\__/\__, /\__, / / Ribble Link pages at: ________________ /___/ /___/___/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jclegg To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 21 13:58:42 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51119 for opro ; Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:58:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880103648:12:11504:78; Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:14:08 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1524510; 21 Nov 97 9:13 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ao1028431; 21 Nov 97 9:12 GMT From: Alan Partridge Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:07:04 +0000 Organization: Subject: Arrange Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971121.090704.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:52:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi, David Pilling wrote : > From: Alan Partridge > > >Have I the most recent version of Arrange (1.00)? > > No. And this probably explains everything. IMHO Arrange 1.01 > comes with OPro 2.45/2.46. Yup. That's it. Thanks. > On the whole if you're given a new version of an applet with a new version > of the program it's not a good idea to replace it with an older one. You're too kind. I don't think I ever installed 1.01. Stoopid. Cheers. -- Alan Partridge, Physics Department, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 21 13:58:47 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51121 for opro ; Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:58:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880103689:12:11626:99; Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:14:49 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1524690; 21 Nov 97 9:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an1028431; 21 Nov 97 9:12 GMT From: Richard Partridge Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:06:43 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Equation Applet? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971121.090643.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 23:37:28 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 13 Nov 97 (09:22:11 +0000), john@cartmell.demon.co.uk wrote, in response to: >> : Techwriter can also export as drawfiles, RTF and TeXfiles.... >I presume you mean for the equations? If so it isn't applicable; the >equations are written as part of the text, not as drawings. Easiwriter / Techwriter does export text as a Draw file; I've just checked it. Having selected "Save area as Draw file" you just drag a border round the bit you want to save. Is this only in recent versions, perhaps? Regards to all, Richard Partridge. -- rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 21 13:58:55 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51123 for opro ; Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:58:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880103719:05:01781:25; Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:15:19 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1524510; 21 Nov 97 9:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ar1028431; 21 Nov 97 9:13 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:05:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971121.090517.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 17:32:07 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Paul Hutton >1: Is it possible to take out a style sheet from one OPro document and >import it later on in another document (e.g. take out style sheet and use it >as the stylesheet for chapter3 of an existing two chapter document)? No. >2: Would it be possible to drag a document icon into another open document, >thus merging them- text and graphics together? I tried this and ended up- >after a warning message- with a 971 page document with nothing but odd >script. No. If you try this, the second document is imported as text I guess. It is worth knowing that you can drag a style sheet from one document to another documents style editing window or colour editing window, and so transfer styles or colours. But yes, we could do a lot better on large scale document editing. Like dragging pages around. With two documents there is the problem of how to merge styles and colours and so on. Probably someone brave could quickly merge the DDL form of two documents using Edit etc. From: "adams_n@marconi-instruments.co.uk" >Move the window to anywhere on the screen. >Now maximise it and you will find that the whole window has'jumped' to >the top left of the screen...(assuming your monitor will display a >full page with space for other items on the screen eg 17" monitor). Yes this is true. I took the hint and set up a document with a 40mm square page size. Hmm. in RISC OS windows do jump when you click on the maximise button. I think when the window is max'd and you click it jumps back to the position on screen where it was previously. >Trying other packages (eg Image Master, excellent package!) results in >maximising and minimising from the same co-odinates. Perhaps we can ask the author of that for some tips... Seriously the way the info palette in OPro moves when you maximise the window is a 'feature' or enhancement over IM and it's due to that all these oddities arise. (In IM the info palette vanishes off the bottom of the screen. In OPro it does not, but as a consequence the window is never maximised as RISC OS understands it. ArtWorks performs similar tricks). David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 24 18:48:47 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51278 for opro ; Mon, 24 Nov 97 18:48:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880362328:05:02730:95; Mon, 24 Nov 97 09:05:28 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1528478; 24 Nov 97 9:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj1019302; 24 Nov 97 9:04 GMT From: "D.A.Symes" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:00:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'ToolBar Jump' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971124.090000.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:25:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c MattLB wrote: > > > > > > How interesting... I've just tried that one, and yes Frank is > > correct. The toolbar does almost vanish by jumping off the bottom > > of the screen. > > > > I'm using version 2.46 > > > > Dave > > > > > You can thwart the toolbar's teleportation tendancies if you very > slightly overlap the main window with the right hand side of the > toolbar before you carry out the above procedure. > Matt Yes indeed, but you must make sure the tool bar's right edge covers the full depth of the button bar....ie: up as far as the bottom of the title bar. Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 0.35g To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 24 18:48:53 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51280 for opro ; Mon, 24 Nov 97 18:48:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880362391:05:03123:81; Mon, 24 Nov 97 09:06:31 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ak1528478; 24 Nov 97 9:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id am1019302; 24 Nov 97 9:04 GMT From: Rob Hemmings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:00:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971124.090022.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 18:16:58 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I've been thinking, following the various comments made in this mailing list about version 2.47 and beyond. It would be a great shame if future sales were not sufficient to allow Beebug/David Pilling to keep developing OvationPro and it ended up like Impression. I'm sure all subscribers to this mailing list would agree! However, to keep development going it must be funded from somewhere. The size of the Acorn market may mean that new sales will not be enough. What about introducing a kind of "supporters club" with an annual fee set at a realistic level. (I would imagine the 5ukp fee per upgrade suggested by Ian recently would barely cover the admin. costs of the upgrade let alone any development work.) This fee would need to be sufficient to guarantee Beebug enough money to continue to fund development. In return the "supporters" would receive updates at regular intervals (perhaps 3-4 times per year?). Perhaps as a further carrot the supporters would be allowed to vote on the priority of the various items on the "wish list". People who were not in the supporters club would still be able to get upgrades but less often (perhaps once per year) and would have to pay an upgrade fee each time. To keep a superb product like OvationPro going I would certainly be prepared to contribute to its development in this way. Any comments? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 24 18:48:58 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51282 for opro ; Mon, 24 Nov 97 18:48:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880362400:06:07289:25; Mon, 24 Nov 97 09:06:40 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af1528577; 24 Nov 97 9:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an1019302; 24 Nov 97 9:05 GMT From: Malcolm Fraser Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:01:04 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Equation Applet? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971124.090104.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:50:22 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971121.090643.55@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: -> On Thu 13 Nov 97 (09:22:11 +0000), john@cartmell.demon.co.uk wrote, in response -> to: -> -> >> : Techwriter can also export as drawfiles, RTF and TeXfiles.... -> -> >I presume you mean for the equations? If so it isn't applicable; the -> >equations are written as part of the text, not as drawings. -> -> Easiwriter / Techwriter does export text as a Draw file; I've just checked it. -> Having selected "Save area as Draw file" you just drag a border round the bit -> you want to save. Is this only in recent versions, perhaps? No, it has been there for quite some time. A possible solution to the problem, if I remember the original posting, might be !Formulate. This is a freeware application which takes formulae given in a description language and converts them into Drawfile format. I used it briefly, and it seems quite good for routine tasks. Of course, it wasn't WYSIWYG, but I didn't find that a problem. I can probably find the details of where to get it (on HENSA?) if you are interested. My personal solution to such problems is to use Techwriter Pro for maths worksheets and booklets and Ovation Pro if I have a lot of pictures or need more control over the layout. Expensive, but I was upgrading from Ovation, and there was one piece of work for which Techwriter was pretty well essential (really horrible maths expressions with matrices etc.). -- Malcolm in sunny Berkhamsted To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 24 18:49:05 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51284 for opro ; Mon, 24 Nov 97 18:49:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880362436:05:03164:79; Mon, 24 Nov 97 09:07:16 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1528897; 24 Nov 97 9:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai1019302; 24 Nov 97 9:04 GMT From: Chris Manning Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:59:39 +0000 Organization: Organisation? Er, no... Subject: Re: Re[2]: 'ToolBar Jump' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971124.085939.36@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:47:24 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971120.091351.37@risc.demon.co.uk> "adams_n@marconi-instruments.co.uk" wrote: > Perhaps you will be kind enough for me to run this past you again.. Most things on the internet run past me. So many questions, so few answers... > Start OV-Pro > Choose a standard A4 page. > Move the window to anywhere on the screen. > Now maximise it and you will find that the whole window has'jumped' > to the top left of the screen... Not always. Plain, unadorned window does what you want. Window with toolbox jumps to the left hand side of the screen. Window with info palette jumps to the top of the screen. Window with toolbox and info palette... Well, I guess you can work that out for yourself. So many answers, so few *helpful* answers... Chris To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 24 18:49:14 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51286 for opro ; Mon, 24 Nov 97 18:49:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880362442:05:03429:79; Mon, 24 Nov 97 09:07:22 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1528577; 24 Nov 97 9:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1019302; 24 Nov 97 9:03 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:00:42 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: GhostScript To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971124.090042.80@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 97 01:52:49 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c There is a RISC OS port of GhostScript 4.03 available from; http://www.stack.nl/~michaeld/gs.html A wimp based front end for it comes from; http://micros.hensa.ac.uk/cgi-bin/browser/micros/arch/riscos/f/f028?&fn=f028 Actually the GS is also on hensa in area a021. I suspect that this opens the way to producing Adobe PDF files under RISC OS? So far it all seems to work rather nicely. A lot more nicely than the old versions of GhostScript. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 25 14:48:31 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51427 for opro ; Tue, 25 Nov 97 14:48:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880448778:12:13352:84; Tue, 25 Nov 97 09:06:18 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0619573; 25 Nov 97 9:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae1028323; 25 Nov 97 9:05 GMT From: "Dr. P.N. Young" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:01:56 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971125.090156.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 18:38:30 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 24 Nov 97 (09:00:22 +0000), rhemmings@argonet.co.uk wrote: >To keep a superb product like OvationPro going I would certainly be >prepared to contribute to its development in this way. > >Any comments? Me too! Cheers, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 25 14:48:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51429 for opro ; Tue, 25 Nov 97 14:48:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880448841:12:13740:27; Tue, 25 Nov 97 09:07:21 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag0619573; 25 Nov 97 9:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah1028323; 25 Nov 97 9:05 GMT From: "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:01:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971125.090135.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:06:26 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 24 Nov, Rob Hemmings wrote: [ Ovation Pro "support-club" ] I'm positive to this idea. Suggest it be done so that anyone can become a member for a basic fee (say UKP20/year), or pay more if one wants to. A reliable web-based system for members to upgrade their copies OP would both save Beebug lots of p&p, plus be a boon for members with web-access. -- Best Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 25 14:48:41 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51431 for opro ; Tue, 25 Nov 97 14:48:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880448895:12:13943:85; Tue, 25 Nov 97 09:08:15 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0620672; 25 Nov 97 9:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al1028323; 25 Nov 97 9:06 GMT From: Julian Meekings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:01:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Equation Applet? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971125.090114.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:06:23 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Malcolm Fraser wrote: > In message <19971121.090643.55@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > My personal solution to such problems is to use Techwriter Pro for maths > worksheets and booklets and Ovation Pro if I have a lot of pictures or need > more control over the layout. Expensive, but I was upgrading from Ovation, > and there was one piece of work for which Techwriter was pretty well > essential (really horrible maths expressions with matrices etc.). where can I get techwriter and would it be any good for me, I'm a chemistry student, needing to write equations and do some pretty nasty looking maths on the computer. thanks for bearing with this off topic posting Julian ******************************************************* ***************** Julian Meekings ****************** * jkhm100@york.ac.uk * ************************ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 25 14:48:45 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51433 for opro ; Tue, 25 Nov 97 14:48:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880448900:12:14040:28; Tue, 25 Nov 97 09:08:20 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0620665; 25 Nov 97 9:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai1028323; 25 Nov 97 9:06 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:02:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971125.090217.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 21:29:53 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Rob Hemmings >What about introducing a kind of "supporters club" with an annual fee set at a >realistic level. (I would imagine the 5ukp fee per upgrade suggested by Ian One of my suggestions to Beebug was something like 20 pounds for a subscription, that would get you say 2 upgrades a year, plus whatever bits and bobs are available. It would also include some major new addons, like the fill applet. The problem is of course that offering such a package commits us to providing it. Typically in the software world things don't work out so neatly. So the upgrades and new features may not always pop up every six months. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 26 14:12:03 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51538 for opro ; Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:12:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880536821:05:16194:78; Wed, 26 Nov 97 09:33:41 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0615030; 26 Nov 97 9:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2013921; 26 Nov 97 9:31 GMT From: Rene Fleischer Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:23:52 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: Artworks File and Ovation To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971126.092352.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:15:35 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi Everyone, I have trouble with OVATION PRO. I can't import ARTWORKS Files in OVATION PRO (2.46g). The module ARTWORKSRENDER V1.22 is loaded. What can I do? Thanks in advance. Bye ___ __ ______ _ __ / _ \___ ___ _/_/ / __/ /__ (_)__ ____/ / ___ ____ / , _/ -_) _ \/ -_) / _// / -_) (_- Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971126.092307.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:55:43 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi, I'm using Ellis's MultiScr. When I leave an OP document in one of the rooms and go to another, on return I find the toolbar and the info palette have become detached. Info palette usually right at the top. Nothing terrible, but annoying. Is there a remedy anyone knows of? Kroese -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen, The Netherlands. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 26 14:12:18 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51543 for opro ; Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:12:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880536986:12:03602:83; Wed, 26 Nov 97 09:36:26 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0616556; 26 Nov 97 9:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2015378; 26 Nov 97 9:34 GMT From: Ernst Dinkla Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:22:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971126.092225.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:58:12 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: > I'm positive to this idea. Suggest it be done so that anyone can become > a member for a basic fee (say UKP20/year), or pay more if one wants to. > A reliable web-based system for members to upgrade their copies OP would > both save Beebug lots of p&p, plus be a boon for members with web-access. I'll join the club. A similar scheme is used for the PC administration software I use. The intervals of software upgrades doesn't have to be fixed though. Ernst -- Even a blind pig finds an acorn sometimes Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 26 14:12:25 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51545 for opro ; Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:12:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880537003:05:17386:78; Wed, 26 Nov 97 09:36:43 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0616644; 26 Nov 97 9:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af2015378; 26 Nov 97 9:35 GMT From: Tim King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:24:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various - Support club To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971126.092435.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:05:08 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 25 Nov, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > The problem is of course that offering such a package commits us to > providing it. Typically in the software world things don't work out so > neatly. So the upgrades and new features may not always pop up every si= x > months. >=20 Wouldn't necessarily have to be tied to the calender yr. =A320 for each 2= main update/grade batch, including any bits and bobs along the way. If that to= ok 2 yrs - no problem. tim --=20 d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 comPlexity & contra diction abS U R D ity, terror; fragility fax +64 9 478.3164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 26 14:12:32 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51547 for opro ; Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:12:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880537059:12:04044:80; Wed, 26 Nov 97 09:37:39 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0617103; 26 Nov 97 9:37 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae2015378; 26 Nov 97 9:35 GMT From: Jack Evans Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:22:46 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971126.092246.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:49:26 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971124.090022.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Rob Hemmings wrote: > I've been thinking, following the various comments made in this mailing list > about version 2.47 and beyond. It would be a great shame if future sales were > not sufficient to allow Beebug/David Pilling to keep developing OvationPro and > it ended up like Impression. I'm sure all subscribers to this mailing list > would agree! >etc I think the Supporters Club concept is a great idea. Perhaps when Beebug have been able to judge the strength of the support for it, judged by the response to Rob's proposal, they could come up with a format that would suit them with a price tag to it. -- Jack Evans mailto:jack@snave.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 26 14:12:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51549 for opro ; Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:12:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880537147:12:04504:39; Wed, 26 Nov 97 09:39:07 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0617341; 26 Nov 97 9:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al2015378; 26 Nov 97 9:36 GMT From: "W,H, Stenfert Kroese" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:23:29 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971126.092329.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:42:48 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 25 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > From: Rob Hemmings > > >What about introducing a kind of "supporters club" with an annual fee set at a > >realistic level. (I would imagine the 5ukp fee per upgrade suggested by Ian > > One of my suggestions to Beebug was something like 20 pounds for a > subscription, that would get you say 2 upgrades a year, plus > whatever bits and bobs are available. It would also include some > major new addons, like the fill applet. > > The problem is of course that offering such a package commits us to providing > it. Typically in the software world things don't work out so neatly. So the > upgrades and new features may not always pop up every six months. > > David Pilling > If you offer that on these conditions I am more than willing risking 20 quid on this. So far I've got more than I bargained for! Kroese. -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen, The Netherlands. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 26 14:12:45 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51551 for opro ; Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:12:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880537149:12:04478:80; Wed, 26 Nov 97 09:39:09 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0617673; 26 Nov 97 9:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id am2015378; 26 Nov 97 9:36 GMT From: Rob Hemmings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:24:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971126.092413.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 20:36:59 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 25 Nov 97 (09:02:17 +0000), David Pilling wrote: > >From: Rob Hemmings > >>What about introducing a kind of "supporters club" with an annual fee >set at a >>realistic level. (I would imagine the 5ukp fee per upgrade suggested >by Ian > >One of my suggestions to Beebug was something like 20 pounds for a >subscription, that would get you say 2 upgrades a year, plus >whatever bits and bobs are available. It would also include some >major new addons, like the fill applet. > >The problem is of course that offering such a package commits us to >providing it. Typically in the software world things don't work out so >neatly. So the upgrades and new features may not always pop up every >six months. > > > >David Pilling I would be quite happy to accept that releases might not arrive at precise intervals. So long as we were assured that the work was going on I would be prepared to trust that releases would be made available as soon as sensible. I think the trust factor is one major plus of the Acorn world and I'm prepared to put my money where my trust is! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 26 14:12:51 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51553 for opro ; Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:12:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880537151:12:04490:79; Wed, 26 Nov 97 09:39:11 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0617594; 26 Nov 97 9:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an2015378; 26 Nov 97 9:37 GMT From: Alan Jones Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:24:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Equation Applet? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971126.092457.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:02:54 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 25 Nov, Julian Meekings wrote: > On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Malcolm Fraser wrote: > > > In message <19971121.090643.55@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > My personal solution to such problems is to use Techwriter Pro for maths > > worksheets and booklets and Ovation Pro if I have a lot of pictures or need > > more control over the layout. Expensive, but I was upgrading from Ovation, > > and there was one piece of work for which Techwriter was pretty well > > essential (really horrible maths expressions with matrices etc.). > > > where can I get techwriter and would it be any good for me, I'm a > chemistry student, needing to write equations and do some pretty nasty > looking maths on the computer. > > thanks for bearing with this off topic posting > Icon Technology will help Church House Church Street, Carlby, Stamford. Lincs PE9 5NB Tel: (01778) 590563 sales@iconsupport.demon.co.uk Cheers Alan ----------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Jones Koala Soft alanj@koalasoft.com.au Acorn Dealers PO Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777 and recource centre. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 26 14:12:58 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51555 for opro ; Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:12:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880537210:05:18506:90; Wed, 26 Nov 97 09:40:10 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0618033; 26 Nov 97 9:39 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ap2015378; 26 Nov 97 9:37 GMT From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:22:03 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971126.092203.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:12:38 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Pilling wrote: >One of my suggestions to Beebug was something like 20 pounds for a >subscription, that would get you say 2 upgrades a year, plus >whatever bits and bobs are available. It would also include some >major new addons, like the fill applet. > >The problem is of course that offering such a package commits us to >providing it. Typically in the software world things don' >so neatly. So the upgrades and new features may not always pop up >every six months. Agreed, GBP20 pa would seem more than reasonable - the question of people potentially getting upset if they have to wait for a bit more than 6 months surely isn't a major problem. I'd much prefer to pay for a subscription than join the queue on the phone to pay a tenner like I used to every time CC announced that an upgrade to Impression or ArtWorks was on the way. I already pay this sort of subscription to Pineapple for irregular updates of !Killer, and tend to be glad to get an update, rather than miffed when the gap's a bit longer. I assume that the same is true of other readers of the list who subscribe to !Killer (does anybody not?). Beebug could run a GBP20-25 pa subscription (Clan Beebug ;-) giving access to a private area of the website for updates at any time, and/or discs sent out at regular intervals (say 6 monthly). If people don't want to commit that much per year (and there will be those on a tight budget who choose not to), then they could get individual upgrades, when they choose to, for GBP10-15, as CC tended to do. TTFN, Nick -- nick kaijaks; proprietor, pinxit design - putting the solution together and; research student, physics, university of warwick, coventry cv4 7al http://www.warwick.ac.uk/Nick.Kaijaks/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 27 13:49:09 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51645 for opro ; Thu, 27 Nov 97 13:49:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880625045:05:25646:79; Thu, 27 Nov 97 10:04:05 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0605293; 27 Nov 97 10:03 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae1028112; 27 Nov 97 10:02 GMT From: George Foot Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:40:42 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971127.094042.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:09:25 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 26 Nov, Rob Hemmings wrote: > On Tue 25 Nov 97 (09:02:17 +0000), David Pilling wrote: > > > >From: Rob Hemmings > > > >>What about introducing a kind of "supporters club" with an annual fee > >set at a > >>realistic level. (I would imagine the 5ukp fee per upgrade suggested > >by Ian > This would get my support. I suggest that either David Pilling or Beebug should run it. George -- George Foot georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk Web Page. http://www.oxted.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 27 13:49:18 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51647 for opro ; Thu, 27 Nov 97 13:49:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880625109:06:06568:25; Thu, 27 Nov 97 10:05:09 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0605947; 27 Nov 97 10:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1028112; 27 Nov 97 10:03 GMT From: Keith Goodier Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:42:06 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971127.094206.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 97 00:52:10 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Pilling wrote: > >One of my suggestions to Beebug was something like 20 pounds for a >subscription, that would get you say 2 upgrades a year, plus >whatever bits and bobs are available. It would also include some >major new addons, like the fill applet. Sounds good to me. I'd hate to see such a good package stagnate or fail to adapt to hardware changes that may occur. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 27 13:49:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51649 for opro ; Thu, 27 Nov 97 13:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880625169:12:18771:78; Thu, 27 Nov 97 10:06:09 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0606589; 27 Nov 97 10:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj1028112; 27 Nov 97 10:04 GMT From: Alf Chamings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:39:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971127.093916.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:55:31 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 25 Nov, Dr. P.N. Young wrote: > On Mon 24 Nov 97 (09:00:22 +0000), rhemmings@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > > > >To keep a superb product like OvationPro going I would certainly be > >prepared to contribute to its development in this way. > > > >Any comments? > > > Me too! > It sounds like a good idea if it also makes commercial sense. Only Beebug can determine this. If that depended on the number of people who would sign up, perhaps a simple questionnaire to everyone on the list would be a way to find out. A dozen or two, 'me too' reactions is a rather small and selective sample. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 27 13:49:50 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51651 for opro ; Thu, 27 Nov 97 13:49:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880625262:12:19493:80; Thu, 27 Nov 97 10:07:42 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0607513; 27 Nov 97 10:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak1028112; 27 Nov 97 10:06 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:39:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Artworks File and Ovation To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971127.093957.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:41:35 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Rene Fleischer >I have trouble with OVATION PRO. I can't import ARTWORKS Files in >OVATION PRO (2.46g). The module ARTWORKSRENDER V1.22 is loaded. Open up !OvnPro (shift+double click), open the applets directory. Check that you have a !OArtWrks applet, and that it is active i.e. does not have a cross through it. If you don't have that applet then rummage about amongst the OPro discs till you find it, copy to the applets directory. And if you do have the applet and it has a cross through it, double click on it to toggle the cross off. Finally quit and rerun OPro. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 27 13:50:10 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51654 for opro ; Thu, 27 Nov 97 13:50:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880625717:05:00691:25; Thu, 27 Nov 97 10:15:17 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0611656; 27 Nov 97 10:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2024549; 27 Nov 97 10:13 GMT From: Simon Jones Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:42:28 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971127.094228.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:07:30 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Jack Evans wrote: > In message <19971124.090022.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Rob Hemmings wrote: [ 8< ] > I think the Supporters Club concept is a great idea. > Perhaps when Beebug have been able to judge the strength of the > support for it, judged by the response to Rob's proposal, they could > come up with a format that would suit them with a price tag to it. That support is getting stronger. I'll propose calling it the Standing ..... Motors Club ;-) Cheers Simon -- Simon Jones - capelin@argonet.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 27 13:50:25 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51656 for opro ; Thu, 27 Nov 97 13:50:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880625721:12:22686:27; Thu, 27 Nov 97 10:15:21 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0611532; 27 Nov 97 10:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2024549; 27 Nov 97 10:13 GMT From: Keith Parker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:41:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971127.094125.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 20:39:49 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 26 Nov 97 (09:24:13 +0000), rhemmings@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I would be quite happy to accept that releases might not arrive at > precise intervals. So long as we were assured that the work was going > on I would be prepared to trust that releases would be made available > as soon as sensible. I think the trust factor is one major plus of the > Acorn world and I'm prepared to put my money where my trust is! Yes, yes, yes ... the perfect view of the Acorn community. David or Ian ... get onto Sheridan and tell him to launch Clan OPro ASAP! It should bring in some money, so he might smile :-) Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 27 13:50:47 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51658 for opro ; Thu, 27 Nov 97 13:50:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880625811:05:01310:81; Thu, 27 Nov 97 10:16:51 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0612807; 27 Nov 97 10:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae2025193; 27 Nov 97 10:15 GMT From: Keith Parker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:41:46 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971127.094146.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 20:37:25 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 24 Nov 97 (09:00:22 +0000), rhemmings@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I've been thinking, following the various comments made in this mailing > list about version 2.47 and beyond. It would be a great shame if > future sales were not sufficient to allow Beebug/David Pilling to keep > developing OvationPro and it ended up like Impression. I'm sure all > subscribers to this mailing list would agree! 100% right! > However, to keep development going it must be funded from somewhere. > The size of the Acorn market may mean that new sales will not be > enough. Sadly true ;-( > What about introducing a kind of "supporters club" with an annual fee > set at a realistic level. (I would imagine the 5ukp fee per upgrade > suggested by Ian recently would barely cover the admin. costs of the > upgrade let alone any development work.) This fee would need to be > sufficient to guarantee Beebug enough money to continue to fund > development. In return the "supporters" would receive updates at > regular intervals (perhaps 3-4 times per year?). Perhaps as a further > carrot the supporters would be allowed to vote on the priority of the > various items on the "wish list". Well, I paid ukp23.50 for technical support from Alystems with one upgrade, so I guess that a 'membership' fee of, at least, ukp20 plus VAT for one (or more) upgrades per year would be fine! > People who were not in the supporters club would still be able to get > upgrades but less often (perhaps once per year) and would have to pay > an upgrade fee each time. Not ukp5 though, we must be realistic here, ukp10 plus VAT for a minor upgrade and ukp20 plus VAT for a major upgrade. Those are what CC charged for Impression upgrades. > To keep a superb product like OvationPro going I would certainly be > prepared to contribute to its development in this way. So would I :-) > Any comments? Well done ... I think you've hit the nail on the head. Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 27 13:51:06 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51660 for opro ; Thu, 27 Nov 97 13:50:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880625834:12:23198:78; Thu, 27 Nov 97 10:17:14 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0612728; 27 Nov 97 10:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2025193; 27 Nov 97 10:15 GMT From: Andrew Piper Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:41:04 +0000 Organization: Subject: OvPro supporters club... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971127.094104.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 21:53:15 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 26 Nov 97 (09:24:13 +0000), rhemmings@argonet.co.uk wrote: > On Tue 25 Nov 97 (09:02:17 +0000), David Pilling wrote: > >One of my suggestions to Beebug was something like 20 pounds for a > >subscription, that would get you say 2 upgrades a year, plus > >whatever bits and bobs are available. It would also include some > >major new addons, like the fill applet. > > > >The problem is of course that offering such a package commits us to > >providing it. Typically in the software world things don't work out so > >neatly. So the upgrades and new features may not always pop up every > >six months. > > I would be quite happy to accept that releases might not arrive at > precise intervals. So long as we were assured that the work was going > on I would be prepared to trust that releases would be made available > as soon as sensible. I think the trust factor is one major plus of the > Acorn world and I'm prepared to put my money where my trust is! Yes Rob, so would I, but you can bet your bottom dollar that someone, somewhere, would raise a complaint. And that's the problem here! I think we've been lucky with the releases so far, and the continuing work. But at some point development *will* slow down, for whatever reason, and then such a scheme would run into trouble. Still, that's not to say I'm not also in the "me too!" camp here. Let's get something rolling so we can support the product properly, support David in all his sterling efforts, support Ian for all his work as well, and get the features we want to see! Andy -- ___ __ ___ / _ \___ ___/ /_ __ / _ \ Andrew Piper / _ / _ \/ _ / // / / ___/ e-mail - andyp@argonet.co.uk /_//_/_//_/\_,_/\_, / /_/ WWW - www.argonet.co.uk/users/andyp /___/ All opinions expressed are my own! To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 28 14:15:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51736 for opro ; Fri, 28 Nov 97 14:15:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880709571:05:20214:25; Fri, 28 Nov 97 09:32:51 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id an0625781; 28 Nov 97 9:32 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1001316; 28 Nov 97 9:31 GMT From: Dr K J Baxendale Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:54:43 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971127.135443.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 97 09:39:49 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 25 Nov 97 (09:02:17 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >One of my suggestions to Beebug was something like 20 pounds for a >subscription, that would get you say 2 upgrades a year, plus >whatever bits and bobs are available. It would also include some >major new addons, like the fill applet. > >The problem is of course that offering such a package commits us to >providing it. Typically in the software world things don't work out so >neatly. So the upgrades and new features may not always pop up every >six months. > I would be perpared to pay this amount without an absolute commitment to 2 upgrades a year, especially if some 'bits and bobs' were available on the web site. We do have to be realistic about the cost of good quality software in a small market and if we don't support OPro in this way the future for Acorn DTP is . . . . ? -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | kjbax@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 28 14:15:08 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51740 for opro ; Fri, 28 Nov 97 14:15:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880710360:12:19802:24; Fri, 28 Nov 97 09:46:00 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0603612; 28 Nov 97 9:45 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag1005384; 28 Nov 97 9:44 GMT From: Chris Chorley Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:40:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OvPro supporters club... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971128.094017.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:49:04 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Another me too, supporters club (or whatever) for upgrades and help for =A32= 0 a year. If O-Pro keeps improving as it has. Who do I write the cheque to ? David or Beebug ? Chris. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 28 14:15:14 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51743 for opro ; Fri, 28 Nov 97 14:15:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880710367:05:26267:25; Fri, 28 Nov 97 09:46:07 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0603662; 28 Nov 97 9:45 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai1005384; 28 Nov 97 9:44 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:40:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971128.094037.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 97 14:47:49 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Keith Parker >David or Ian ... get onto Sheridan and tell him to launch Clan OPro ASAP! It Ironic that Beebug set off as a user group... Ovug perhaps. >Well, I paid ukp23.50 for technical support from Alystems with one upgrade I hope we're a bit better behaved than SCSI. Anyway I gather the powers that be, will investigate and bring forth proposals. Two possibilities are a very cheap upgrade scheme, probably of no interest to anyone reading this, because we're going to have such upgrades on the web soon. And second some sort of subscription to new features. >How do I make Ian turn white and fall off his chair via the 'net? Like this. We're just about there with the online upgrades. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 28 14:15:19 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51745 for opro ; Fri, 28 Nov 97 14:15:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880710437:05:26637:77; Fri, 28 Nov 97 09:47:17 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0603662; 28 Nov 97 9:46 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak1005384; 28 Nov 97 9:45 GMT From: Colin Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:41:38 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971128.094138.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:31:49 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Keith Parker wrote: > Well, I paid ukp23.50 for technical support from Alystems with one > upgrade, so I guess that a 'membership' fee of, at least, ukp20 plus VAT > for one (or more) upgrades per year would be fine! So did I and all I got was bug fixes in faulty software. In Alsystems case I think the whole thing was a dreadful ripoff. We all bought their SCSI card (which I must admit has given me no trouble at all) and then paid them to do the work they should have done before they released it to bring it up to 'merchantable quality'. -- Colin Thompson Mail to - colinet@atlantis.aust.com Web site - http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 28 14:15:24 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51747 for opro ; Fri, 28 Nov 97 14:15:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880710443:12:20179:25; Fri, 28 Nov 97 09:47:23 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0604415; 28 Nov 97 9:46 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj1005384; 28 Nov 97 9:45 GMT From: Rene Turner Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:40:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971128.094058.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:11:33 +1300 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 27 Nov, George Foot wrote: > On Wed 26 Nov, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > On Tue 25 Nov 97 (09:02:17 +0000), David Pilling wrote: > > > > > >From: Rob Hemmings > > > > > >>What about introducing a kind of "supporters club" with an annual f= ee > > >set at a > > >>realistic level. (I would imagine the 5ukp fee per upgrade suggest= ed > > >by Ian > > >=20 > This would get my support. My support too...... dont want to loose a good thing... wow i been using Ovation since its first release... > > I suggest that either David Pilling or Beebug should run it. >=20 > George Shalom ... =EE=E5=EC=F9 Ren=E9 Turner ... =EE=E4=F8=E1=E0 =E8=E1 =E0=EF=F8 (view with Hebrew font) H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury.org.nz Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz=20 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 28 14:15:33 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51750 for opro ; Fri, 28 Nov 97 14:15:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880710466:05:27080:24; Fri, 28 Nov 97 09:47:46 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0603612; 28 Nov 97 9:47 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ao1005384; 28 Nov 97 9:46 GMT From: "derek.barber" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:39:55 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Future releases To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971128.093955.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 14:34:47 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I would be glad to subscibe too. Derek Barber On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Tue 25 Nov, Dr. P.N. Young wrote: > > > On Mon 24 Nov 97 (09:00:22 +0000), rhemmings@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > > > >To keep a superb product like OvationPro going I would certainly be > > >prepared to contribute to its development in this way. > > > > > >Any comments? > > > > > > Me too! > > > It sounds like a good idea if it also makes commercial sense. Only Beebug > can determine this. If that depended on the number of people who would sign > up, perhaps a simple questionnaire to everyone on the list would be a way > to find out. A dozen or two, 'me too' reactions is a rather small and > selective sample. > > Alf > > -- > mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk > Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh > tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 > http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 28 14:15:38 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51752 for opro ; Fri, 28 Nov 97 14:15:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880710538:12:20754:45; Fri, 28 Nov 97 09:48:58 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0604389; 28 Nov 97 9:47 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ap1005384; 28 Nov 97 9:47 GMT From: Colin Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:41:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OvPro supporters club... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971128.094158.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:16:58 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c While the supporters club sounds like a great idea, I don't think it's very practical. I think it has potential problems. You pay 20 pounds for a year and in the first year that could mean you've got a hell of a lot for your money, so much so that David has been working for tuppence an hour. You pay 20 pounds for the second year and you only get one minor upgrade. People will start complaining (quickly forgetting what they got the year before) and dropping out. The fairest system to me seems to put minor fixes etc, free on a website with the applets and charge a fair price for any major improvements and upgrades. I also think it would be daft to try and put a fixed price on that as the amount of work involved could vary immenselt depending on the upgrade. I think R-Comp have the right idea with their software. Minor upgrades are free (and actually emailed to people). Major upgrades are paid for. It's only fair. The software authors have to make a living and I'm sure the rewards in staying loyal to Acorn are small enough anyway. (I imagine CC made ten times as much out of Xara as they did out of Artworks) -- Colin Thompson Mail to - colinet@atlantis.aust.com Web site - http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 28 14:15:44 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA51754 for opro ; Fri, 28 Nov 97 14:15:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 880710550:06:05805:29; Fri, 28 Nov 97 09:49:10 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0605486; 28 Nov 97 9:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ar1005384; 28 Nov 97 9:47 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:41:18 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971128.094118.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 97 17:33:30 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 27 10:37:30 1997 > From: Keith Parker > Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:41:25 +0000 > Organization: > Subject: Re: Various > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 20:39:49 GMT > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > X-Apparently-From: > X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > Content-Length: 938 > > On Wed 26 Nov 97 (09:24:13 +0000), rhemmings@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > > I would be quite happy to accept that releases might not arrive at > > precise intervals. So long as we were assured that the work was going > > on I would be prepared to trust that releases would be made available > > as soon as sensible. I think the trust factor is one major plus of the > > Acorn world and I'm prepared to put my money where my trust is! > > Yes, yes, yes ... the perfect view of the Acorn community. > > David or Ian ... get onto Sheridan and tell him to launch Clan OPro ASAP! It > should bring in some money, so he might smile :-) > > Keith > -- > keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk > Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > If this starts count me in. John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Pager 01426-235878, Webb http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l